Thread: Kirk Theakston of MyGoldValt is back to scam again...

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

Here we go yet again. What you also do now is to make excuses for the scammers and welcome them as friends and say marvelous things about them, such as treating them like your son! I have already posted your direct posts from other sites in this thread about Kirk for example and now you are protecting and covering up for Giant and even making a thread for him, a scammer, to teach us all something.

I have no idea why you don't expect anyone here to be able to "read and inwardly digest all posts in this or other forums" since several members of this forum have been on and posted with you and told you the same exact thing that you are being told here now, on those same other forums, for a very long time now. Hello??? Again, we can all read your posts and understand them, here and elsewhere and the responses to them. You are told the same thing over and over and you kep repeating the same thing over and over. How is this not clear? It's certainly clear to the rest of us. lol

huh? understanding this... Treating who like my son??

I have been away from the forums for a year, i just came back to see what was going on. Still hoping to get my money back. Thats whats clear.

What am i being told? im a jerk for hoping to get my money back??

Have you joined any sites? you never answered THAT. (or if ya did, sry i missed it)

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

B.S. Grow a pair. Stop the whining and excuses.

Wow. Im getting tired of idiots.

yup, now im starting to call names...and i hate that.

its not whining to expect to have a conversation, but the other guy in the room is screaming nonsense, so you cant have a conversation at all.

Thats how politics works. One guy screams, noone else gets heard, and he wins!

congrats you win.

(oops, i almost posted a response to one thing, I thought was to me and it wasnt. It was to someone else...)


Hm, next we are going to talk about how my posts about security are tricks to get you to download dangerous Antivirus programs...and how thats wrong of me, as virus' are helping our computers slow down.

Originally Posted by giantkin

huh? understanding this... Treating who like my son??

I have been away from the forums for a year, i just came back to see what was going on. Still hoping to get my money back. Thats whats clear.

What am i being told? im a jerk for hoping to get my money back??

Have you joined any sites? you never answered THAT. (or if ya did, sry i missed it)

Oh dear, will someone please refer back to the thread on narcisism. ALA is talking to someone else, not you!

Yes you are whistling in the wind if you hope to get money back that you lost playing autosurfs. They were and still are illegal ponzis and unless you were "lucky" enough to have taken part in one like AdSurfDaily where the government have their hands on some of the cash to return to victims, you wont see a cent.

Here is the scoop. Autosurfs without outside revenue to pay members are PONZIS. Autosurfs that do have outside revenue to pay members are generally still illegal because they do not make their profits from the sale of their wares, the "rebates" are not in proportion to the number of sites viewed, but the amount paid in, even if the ads arent viewed, and they are effectively productless as noone joins for the advertising and as such are unregistered securities and a long list of etceteras.

IF someone owns an autosurf and is going to pay their members out of the profits of their independant and legal business, instead of using new members fees to pay older members, then they might as well run their independent and legal business, keep the profit and stay away from illegal autosurfs. If their business is good enough to generate a profit they will not have so much trouble in financing it in the normal legal ways available.

Legal and illegal dont mix. There is no way to turn an illegal business concept into a legal one later on. It needs to be legal from the offset. Autosurfs are not legal per se

It doesnt matter whether a businessman is pleasant or disagreeable, but it does matter that he is competent and runs his business legally.

Now what is there about legal that you dont understand?

Originally Posted by WishfulThinking

Oh dear, will someone please refer back to the thread on narcisism. ALA is talking to someone else, not you!

Yes you are whistling in the wind if you hope to get money back that you lost playing autosurfs. They were and still are illegal ponzis and unless you were "lucky" enough to have taken part in one like AdSurfDaily where the government have their hands on some of the cash to return to victims, you wont see a cent.

Here is the scoop. Autosurfs without outside revenue to pay members are PONZIS. Autosurfs that do have outside revenue to pay members are generally still illegal because they do not make their profits from the sale of their wares, the "rebates" are not in proportion to the number of sites viewed, but the amount paid in, even if the ads arent viewed, and they are effectively productless as noone joins for the advertising and as such are unregistered securities and a long list of etceteras.

IF someone owns an autosurf and is going to pay their members out of the profits of their independant and legal business, instead of using new members fees to pay older members, then they might as well run their independent and legal business, keep the profit and stay away from illegal autosurfs. If their business is good enough to generate a profit they will not have so much trouble in financing it in the normal legal ways available.

Legal and illegal dont mix. There is no way to turn an illegal business concept into a legal one later on. It needs to be legal from the offset. Autosurfs are not legal per se

It doesnt matter whether a businessman is pleasant or disagreeable, but it does matter that he is competent and runs his business legally.

Now what is there about legal that you dont understand?

(added in) Wishful thinking,
hey, excellent post.

I did mention that i responded to a post made, that wasnt to me...alot of posts seem to jump from one person to the next. Im getting old, I only retain some of the words, not who they are always said to.
Supppose it would be best if the post started with who the post was to :)


I now get the legal angles (not from your one post, but in research previously done)

I have several business models, getting them started was the problem.
Small Business Assoc. is interesting, and I'm reading alot of their documents.
Soon to have meetings with them.

*DELETED LONG SECTION Having nothing to do with topic (or very little)
hm, sorry i am goin astray again.



Getting funds back. I think that one of the sites WAS taken by the govt. or thats what i read alot of, but the guy (and wife) ran off to... phillipines i think it was.
havent heard anything since.


When i started, i went into the sites for the advertising. the...tradelinks sorta sites, the typename escapes me. oh Link exchnage sites...one of the links to look at, was an auto surf...wow i thought... I can put up the advertising, and make money?! awesome!.... Advertising a forum, for nothing was alot of browsing other sites to earn clicks.
Heck i think those sites are scams now too. setup to convince ppl they need to put in more money to get more exposure, when its cheaper to do the same thing with google. (then again, it can get expensive on google too)

Thanks for a decent convo.

g

Geez i ramble alot.

Guess I shouldnt do too many things at once.

Checkbook, taxes, homework, and read and try to post.

lol, gets into a mess.

g

quoted from a link to mrsv scam something or other: 2. Lots of "intelligent" people (as you call them) have gotten involved in autosurfs & hyip's and then dropped out after awhile, realizing what a gyp the whole operation was/is. Lots of really intelligent people make mistakes and/or do stupid things. The key is to live and learn and move on. Why haven't you moved on?"

I like that point. I got out, im sniffing around a bit now, but in no way putting any money in. I dont promote sites for autosurfing,hype etc. I do post forum links.

I def dont know how to see which sites are good, bad, and how to figure out who they were, when they opened a new site, etc.

I dont want to be scammed by anyone, how to do that? dont join any site in this 'industry'.

Originally Posted by giantkin

huh? understanding this... Treating who like my son??

I have been away from the forums for a year, i just came back to see what was going on. Still hoping to get my money back. Thats whats clear.

What am i being told? im a jerk for hoping to get my money back??

Have you joined any sites? you never answered THAT. (or if ya did, sry i missed it)

Tell me you cannot be this obtuse. You can't follow any discussions, nor understand who is responding to you, or even when they are or not. You never answer questions. You can't follow the conversations here and much of your posts make no sense. You would be better off to turn off your computer at this point frankly.

By the way THIS IS CONSIDERED SCREAMING on the internet and this isn't. How old are you?

What in the sake of everything logical, rational and that involves critical thinking would lead you to believe that I have ever been fool enough to "join any sites" or bogus scam programs? Unlike you, I actually have had a long term career, an education and specialized training and now run a business still working in my field of expertise. I have honestly earned and worked for every single dollar that I have ever made and I have not pissed them away on b.s. Perhaps that is why I can still pay my utility bills. The world does not owe me a living and I strive to make it a better place. I don't look for free rides and nonsense. I am a realist, not a dreamer and not a schemer. Integrity means everything to me.

Originally Posted by giantkin

(this last line, you forgot 1/2 of the sentence.) Interesting how you left out what hurt your side.

Here is not the rest of your sentence, as you have now falsely claimed, but the sentence that followed what I quoted which was, "Im not a naysayer however." - as you made two distinct sentences:

"Im not a naysayer however. Just someone that likes to talk, and point out how not to do things."

Now what does this change exactly? What is your expertise in anything financial or in running a business or in scams and what have you pointed out thus far in any of your posts regarding "what to do" or "what not to do?"

Guess you missed this post:
(oops, i almost posted a response to one thing, I thought was to me and it wasnt. It was to someone else...)


The questions asked, didnt pertain to me, so why would i answer. (i thought that I was told very clearly that.)
My posts make sense, if you understood all the context in them.

What does my age matter? I consider any attack, an attack.

So, you have never joined a site, and yet you quickly jump on anyone that hoped to earn something?
I like my main job. Thanks. but the problem it is running into, is that OTHER businesses are dropping like flies. So, to make sure I can support myself, and this home that I overextended myself on, I looked for, and got a 2nd job.

I've also retired from a long time job, in the construction field. Before doing my present work.

I have honestly earned all of the money I made as well. I put in a few dollars in the hope of earning more that way, before learning how unlikely that is, and pulling myself out of it.
The amount is indifferent. I look at it like alot, others look at it like its nothing. I def didnt lose 100's of dollars. if i got it all back, it wouldnt pay all my bills for the month.

I am rather glad your business is still going. Its uncommon anymore. My best friend owns 3 stores, he's been complaining for years about the drop in money, except this year. So, maybe it will
all turn around.

I'm not folding, just looking for extra money to cover myself. I'd tell you my real investment mistakes, but you might think it was stupid putting money into the house I live in. (Tho now, its rather nice and comfortable)
it wasnt cheap, and I got quality, not aesthetics. (hm that the right word?) anyhow, I'm getting a client calling in, and once i get distracted, the less important stuff starts to lose.

Take care.

g

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

Now what does this change exactly? What is your expertise in anything financial or in running a business or in scams and what have you pointed out thus far in any of your posts regarding "what to do" or "what not to do?"

Wait... I never said i was an expertise in anything! def not financial. where did u ever get that idea?
I actually said the opposite in a post. might have been in another thread.

I know what NOT to do, from my experience at doing the wrong things.



Meant that line, not that sentence. Im not a naysayer (as in, i dont go around, saying that this or that is a scam) Im not that outspoken. Nor do I have the knowledge of these sites, never taking the time to look. I actualy just posted a link into one of the sections above, asking if xx site was legit or not.
I joined now, and its earning money per click...but its not worth the time. Still, if its a scam, i want someone to know and say something.
if its not, then all is well.

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Where to start at looking at the Legitimacy of a site? Terms of service-everyone I've ever read, was always similar, giving the site power, and taking it away from the user.
be it google/amazon or a scam site.

the Domain registration? if its not Privacy protected, what tells you what is ok, and what not?

I have NO idea, thats why i am asking. Dont have to shoot me because i dont know... I'm interested in learning. (i post this here, i havent gotten far into this site yet. Looking around still, maybe this is posted elsewhere, if so, just link me and I'll go there, or i'll find it in a few)

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I jump on those who have promoted and joined scams. You betcha! I jump on those who think they can make money for nothing. I jump on those who have or are running scams. I jump on those who lie, cheat, steal and make false promises and in the process, destroy the lives of others.

Yes, I asked you many questions that did pertain to you and you ignored them all and still have. There is no "hope" to earn anything in this life. There is education, training, experience, studying, growth, determination, planinng, dedication, mind set, goals, focus, never giving up, very hard work and taking all the steps and doing the research that is needed to be a success and always having a plan B.

The reason that I had the career that I did and have the business that I do now is because of all of the above. It was not by happenstance or luck. My business is still growing because of this. This often surprises me. When the economy started to dump in this country, it was rough for a spell. I then regrouped, refocused and redoubled my efforts even further, looked at the best ways to market, promote, be flexible, creative and expanded and succeeded in spite of the economy. I never stopped working nor did I give in or waste my time with foolishness. My life and the lives of my family are far too important to me to do otherwise. It is all about the decisions that we make and how we follow through on those descisions. It is about being responsible and held accountable for those decisions. It is about enlisting and seeking the advice and counsel of actual legit experts to aid you. It is not about believing any of the tripe one reads on the internet. Many business have grown and flourished during this economy because of this. Nothing of any value falls into your lap, nor can it be found on internet sites promising everything and delivering nothing. Nothing worthwhile is easy. It's hard damn, non stop work. Period. It's being able to change with the times and having common sense. It is not about seeking out floportunities and wasting the one life you are given.

Why have you not sought out actual legit financial advisors and experts with a reputation and verifiable references instead of using internet forums and silly schemes then? Developing financial security starts when you are young and continues throughout your lifetime. There are a million legit ways to earn an honest living. But that involves work. Instead of focusing on your failures, learn from them and move forward. Don't keep creating more of them. You will not find the answers to your situation or your life on the internet either.

Originally Posted by giantkin

Where to start at looking at the Legitimacy of a site? Terms of service-everyone I've ever read, was always similar, giving the site power, and taking it away from the user.
be it google/amazon or a scam site.

the Domain registration? if its not Privacy protected, what tells you what is ok, and what not?

I have NO idea, thats why i am asking. Dont have to shoot me because i dont know... I'm interested in learning. (i post this here, i havent gotten far into this site yet. Looking around still, maybe this is posted elsewhere, if so, just link me and I'll go there, or i'll find it in a few)

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Again, your issue is that you are still looking at "sites" and flopportunities on the net. Instead of wasting time looking for dreams on the net, look to reality. You are not going to find legit opportunities on the fricking internet. Seriously. You can do some research into something that you are interested in and gather facts and stats and perhaps some advice, or some ideas on how to's and what some of the things are that you might want to investigate or need, but that's it. You need to live in the real world with real people that you know and that you meet face to face and that you can check out. Unless you have writing skills and are journalist and can be paid for what you write on legit publications and columns in those publications on the net, good luck. One can use the net as a tool to market and advertise or see what education or training and skills are needed for something, but that's about it. 99% of what you will see about how to earn money on the net is all bullshit. Period.

The only people that make any real money on the net are the promoters, the owners/founders and the heads of scams. That's it. Whether it's MLMs, Ponzis, HYIP's Autosurfs, Pyramids, you name it. They will and do make millions bilking others. You? Not so much. These scammers move from program to program. They milk them dry and then move on to another. Few are ever prosecuted and shut down. Very few, sadly. They know this and they count on it.

The sooner that people accept this fact, really acknowledge and accept it and move on to something that is truly productive, the better off they will be. The sooner they can stop wasting their time and money and do something that is real and that they have a actual chance to be rewarded for, you will then have the opportunity for real success in something that is legit, meaningful and worthwhile and something you can be proud of because you built it. The internet if full of millions of scams and it's on an international level now. Give it all up and make a change. A real change that will benefit yourself and your family.

I am asking about how to find details on the sites, so that I can pass that on.

How else to help others, but to share info.

My main job, is turning around, its slow going, but the books show we are owed a few thousand, which is a start. Getting paid, is next step, and getting more owed to us, is good too.

Like i said, i am NOT joining anything that is an invest site. The paid to clicks, i am joining are only due to someone else i know, interested, and wants proof that what I say is true. (not worth the time)

Maybe im wrong, and they are worth the time, I dont see it.

I dont want to spend my time clicking a site, getting .0015 cents a day. I offered the kid a job, he is trying. He thinks that the paidtoclick sites can help him. While he sits in the library, etc. Kid is relative, he's now 21, homeless, cant find work. Seems like a decent enough kid. I hope he can do the job I put to him. (he is in a shelter near the city library, supposedly spending his time looking for work... but comes up with this ptc sht.)

Anyhow

I've talked to lawyers about setting up stuff.
They dont always charge the first time, so questions work.

Same with a cpa. tho the 2nd talk is way over priced.

I did mention the SBA, and talks forth coming with them.

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Don't you think you have answered your own question? Of course he is wasting his time. He might be able to cash out the truly amazing sum of perhaps 10$ after 3 or 6 months of clicking - if they actually pay out. He will be better off with any job that pays by the hour for work, however badly they pay - because it will be more than he can ever earn on PTC. PTC itself is bordering on the illegaL, HOWEVER LOW THEIR PAYOUT IS, because to be legal it must always be less than they take in.

Go and read Entertained's well known Black Box Test . It can be applied to any business off or on line. It is well worth the read and teaches you to ignore the "fluff" and the smoke and mirrors. If a business model pays out more than it takes in over a period of time - it is unsustainable and most likely operating illegally.

http://www.eagleresearchassociates.org/The-Black-Box-Method-of-Due-Diligence.php

Try it for size and you will learn to spot the scams for yourself. ALA is right though, you wont make an honest living through "internet schemes". The internet is valuable as a communication tool or advertising a real business which deals in products or services. Stick with that and you wont go wrong.

Originally Posted by giantkin

I am asking about how to find details on the sites, so that I can pass that on.

How else to help others, but to share info.

My main job, is turning around, its slow going, but the books show we are owed a few thousand, which is a start. Getting paid, is next step, and getting more owed to us, is good too.

Like i said, i am NOT joining anything that is an invest site. The paid to clicks, i am joining are only due to someone else i know, interested, and wants proof that what I say is true. (not worth the time)

Maybe im wrong, and they are worth the time, I dont see it.

I dont want to spend my time clicking a site, getting .0015 cents a day. I offered the kid a job, he is trying. He thinks that the paidtoclick sites can help him. While he sits in the library, etc. Kid is relative, he's now 21, homeless, cant find work. Seems like a decent enough kid. I hope he can do the job I put to him. (he is in a shelter near the city library, supposedly spending his time looking for work... but comes up with this ptc sht.)

Anyhow

Did you read my last two serious, well thought out posts to you? Have you digested at all what I am trying to tell you here? I have made a real and honest attempt now to reach you. Did any of it sink in at all?

You cannot save others, especially if you cannot save yourself. You cannot help others unless you have helped yourself. Something (most likely many things) got this kid into the situation that he is in. It didn't happen overnight and he is ultimately responsible for that at some point, no matter what his background is, for his own destiny. We ALL are. We all make our own paths sooner or later and we make our own decisions to follow those paths. Life is full of many choices. Some people will always choose the wrong thing and never learn. That is simply the way it is and that is the life that they chose to lead.

Just stay the hell away from ALL online "opportunities" and stop wasting your time looking at them. I don't know how many other ways to communicate this to you.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

Did you read my last two serious, well thought out posts to you? Have you digested at all what I am trying to tell you here? I have made a real and honest attempt now to reach you. Did any of it sink in at all?

You cannot save others, especially if you cannot save yourself. You cannot help others unless you have helped yourself. Something (most likely many things) got this kid into the situation that he is in. It didn't happen overnight and he is ultimately responsible for that at some point, no matter what his background is, for his own destiny. We ALL are. We all make our own paths sooner or later and we make our own decisions to follow those paths. Life is full of many choices. Some people will always choose the wrong thing and never learn. That is simply the way it is and that is the life that they chose to lead.

Just stay the hell away from ALL online "opportunities" and stop wasting your time looking at them. I don't know how many other ways to communicate this to you.

To both of you: Great responses.

I know that they arent worth the time, but he wants PROOF.

kids background: what he has told me: Father beat him with a 2x4, as he was running down the round (didnt return) cops show up. I dont know details. I assume(?) he talked to the police, left the area and moved near where I'm at.

I'm ok now. Things are going in the right direction for me. If slowly. Helping him would help myself, if he does his job.


One point I was unsure of, i reread what you posted (wishful) and I had totally reversed what you said, lol. Glad i reread that, before i posted. (probably happens alot, why ppl think im .....)

Talk soon.

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Originally Posted by WishfulThinking

Go and read Entertained's well known Black Box Test . It can be applied to any business off or on line. It is well worth the read and teaches you to ignore the "fluff" and the smoke and mirrors.

http://www.eagleresearchassociates.org/The-Black-Box-Method-of-Due-Diligence.php

Try it for size and you will learn to spot the scams for yourself.

Thanks, exactly what i was looking for. (or i hope it is, have to read it yet)

g

Originally Posted by giantkin

I am asking about how to find details on the sites, so that I can pass that on.

How else to help others, but to share info.


Like i said, i am NOT joining anything that is an invest site. The paid to clicks, i am joining are only due to someone else i know, interested, and wants proof that what I say is true. (not worth the time)

Maybe im wrong, and they are worth the time, I dont see it.

I dont want to spend my time clicking a site, getting .0015 cents a day. I offered the kid a job, he is trying. He thinks that the paidtoclick sites can help him. While he sits in the library, etc. Kid is relative, he's now 21, homeless, cant find work. Seems like a decent enough kid. I hope he can do the job I put to him. (he is in a shelter near the city library, supposedly spending his time looking for work... but comes up with this ptc sht.)

Anyhow

It is a waste of time and effort. The only people you are helping is the owners by clicking sites so they can make money. You cannot get enough clicks to ever build up to the payment amount.

Best to stay away.

Originally Posted by honestme11

It is a waste of time and effort. The only people you are helping is the owners by clicking sites so they can make money. You cannot get enough clicks to ever build up to the payment amount.

Best to stay away.

Again: I know its a waste of time, but how to PROVE that to a kid with minimal education. I need to show him some kinda proof.

(that blackbox might be enough for him tho) Thanks again wish, i just finished reading it. bit technical for him, but maybe that will help.

g

Originally Posted by giantkin

Sorry ya think my posts are drivel, ya can always skip over the posts, and just say whatever.

Actually I think you're really good at what you do....You've been here for a day....You've made 20 posts of absolute nonsence and managed to totally derail the thread in the process

Mission accumplished at your end huh??.....

BTW...Any chance you could supply some Asprin with your posts

Originally Posted by okosh

Actually I think you're really good at what you do....You've been here for a day....You've made 20 posts of absolute nonsence and managed to totally derail the thread in the process

He has derailed two threads "okosk". Kirk would not have run away, if he had not been involved with "cookie keener" and her past and present scams. I believed him when he said that he had no ties with "cookie."

Cookie and her associates set up the T.I.M.E. Money Management Group which started to grow like crazy at this stage. Kirk was furious about the growth of T.I.M.E when he had opened Income Portal for his members.

The long list of crooks who were given a great welcome there by her fellow associate "jackpop" includes Ken Russo and "wiseowl" T.I.M.E. Money Management Group • Members

Kirk was a market trader and he did well when he worked as an off line junk merchant. He did pay his members with profits from these activities. Cookie is the online sales person whose affairs need intense scrutiny. Giantking could help naysayers with information on that matter.

Quit making excuses for Kirk, defending him and blaming others, already. If people would stay away from scams, and stop looking for free rides in life and making money for nothing, they wouldn't be scammed in the first place and wouldn't be scamming others. Period. And quit believeing scammers. We get that you love him like your son and all but give it a fricking rest. And Giantking needs to help himself. Man, this is getting old. waiting for the idiotic carry on fulminating post next.

Originally Posted by okosh

Actually I think you're really good at what you do....You've been here for a day....You've made 20 posts of absolute nonsence and managed to totally derail the thread in the process

We may be able to get some sense out of giantking, if he will open a thread about his dealings with Brenda and her husband who had supposedly taken over her sites because she was dying of cancer. I know a lot about Brenda and I could supply very useful information to naysayers on that subject.

I can not remeber Brenda's married name or the names of her sites but it will come back to me when I have finished other things. Brenda's best friend "wiseowl" (The Krimm mod) is very well known to most of the TG bunch of naysayers. Brenda is not a well known person here or at TG.