Thread: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !

Mr Craddock has one thing right, though:

Originally Posted by Craddock

not have the ability to win in a crawl back action

Yep, Mr Bell will definitely not win any "crawl back" actions.

"Claw backs" on the other hand.............................................. .....................

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Mr Craddock has one thing right, though:



Yep, Mr Bell will definitely not win any "crawl back" actions.

"Claw backs" on the other hand.............................................. .....................

Got to wonder just how much the SEC will tolerate from Craddock....Wonder if they will look to indict him for maybe his promotion of a ponzi scheme or similar??...That is if they have the power to do so...

Why would they bother ???

They have a lot more important things to worry about than the rantings of some delusional HYIP ponzi apologist.

He's a nothing, and all his B/S amounts to the same thing - nothing..

I wouldn't mind betting he won't be getting any favourable treatment from the receiver, just as I wouldn't mind betting the receiver, and therefore the true victims of Zeek, come out in front.

Originally Posted by Wizzard7

More from Craddock, this may get him into deep poopie.....

December 18, 2012

Greetings Good People,

We just want to see an end to this ongoing extortion of this group by Kenneth Bell, as do you. Rodney and Michael or attorneys are crystal clear, no one should in anyway hand over any funds to Kenneth Bell, and he knows and has acknowledged he does not have the ability to win in a crawl back action. Read the filings http://www.zteambiz.net/filings.zip

Attention needs to be brought to the court about Kenneth Bell’s ongoing intimidation tactics against this group.

It’s obvious to me as I’m sure it is to others, that Kenneth Bell is using his position not to protect a victim(s), as he clearly knows there was none, until He was appointed as receiver, and took millions of checks and cashed them. But to use the US government as his personal agency, to steal and extort good honest business people out of their hard earned money. I know these are hard words, but people just look at the facts.

Because I and others have stood up to say this is not right, Kenneth Bell has sent me and others requests for information, knowing full well, he has access to all the information he is seeking with the database that once belonged to Rex Venture Group.

Kenneth Bell has full knowledge that my involvement was minor and the net gain as he would say was just $200.00 so for Kenneth Bell to waste money for an amount that is a small percentage of what he is spending is criminal in my opinion. How can the court allow someone being so reckless, with the truth and the funds he is in trusted with to continue?

Kenneth Bell in my opinion is unwilling to listen to any evidence of how we all worked to build and promote a legal penny auction, every breath coming from Kenneth mouth is saying we invested and we all know we bought bids. And last when he discusses the case he uses statements like big winners and losers. This is all design to pit people against each other, that jointly worked together to build a future for their families and friends.

Has anyone truly looked at Kenneth Bell’s Motivation for not wanting to allow the truth to come out about this case? Could it be that it would financially impact him and the law firm he is with, if he was simply honest, with the court about the true facts involving Rex Venture Group (Zeek Rewards).

Kenneth only hope is to scare and intimidate the people in hopes they would simply, give him their money, knowing once he received the funds, none of it will go to anyone in the Zeek Affiliated family, don’t allow him to confuse and mislead you.

Robert

I have loads of Orville Redenbachers Movie Theater Popcorn and my favorite adult beverage and I am going to sit back and watch this train wreck. Dare I say (hopefully) jail time coming sooner or later for craddock and some of his buds and buddettes! One can only hope.

How interesting. Either he honestly believes this crap (which means he ain't firing on full thrusters), or he's sprouting so much bull**** to cover the bull**** he spread before you end up with a whole cesspool.

Neither bodes well for him.

New Filings - RECEIVER’S MOTION TO COMPEL PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS FROM RECENT MOVANTS

Docs are on the files website

Craddock has stated he made less than $200, and he may be true in the same sense that Bill Clinton "never had sex with that woman". His lawyers objection makes a lot of boilerplate statements, most of them over and over again in response to each request from the receiver. But it gets more involved when he objects to definitions of persons, you, your etc.... in a way that makes me suspect that while Craddock may have only made $200 in his own name, that there may be an entity somewhere that made a bit more and he's trying to prevent being associated with it in court records.
Just a thought, but the objections to who he is or isn't wouldn't really serve any other purpose besides that.

Originally Posted by Gregg

Craddock has stated he made less than $200, and he may be true in the same sense that Bill Clinton "never had sex with that woman". His lawyers objection makes a lot of boilerplate statements, most of them over and over again in response to each request from the receiver. But it gets more involved when he objects to definitions of persons, you, your etc.... in a way that makes me suspect that while Craddock may have only made $200 in his own name, that there may be an entity somewhere that made a bit more and he's trying to prevent being associated with it in court records.
Just a thought, but the objections to who he is or isn't wouldn't really serve any other purpose besides that.

Good Point! A lot of these scam mongers follow the teachings of supposed asset protection gurus with hastily established trusts, LLC's, or on/off shore corporations to hide assets from taxing or legal authorities.

The spelling & grammar mistakes in Craddock's emails make you cringe when you consider he is trying to play ball with the big boys. Perhaps it is like kschang has said with the Nigerian email scams - only those dumb enough to not be bothered by the spelling and grammar errors would believe what Craddock says and participate in Craddock's schemes.

Not only "crawlbacks" (which he repeatedly saws over and over) but I remember when he was giving legal advice about filing "pro say" which should be "Pro Se". Other minor errors like "Rodney and Michael or attorneys are crystal clear". There are many more errors throughput his letters which should give anyone with a clue reading them a hint that maybe he's a crackpot pretending to be an expert, a very dangerous thing when you're dealing with the court system, SEC, etc.

Similarly, the correspondence Hubpages over kschang's hub also had many pseudo-legal language that an uninformed reader may feel threatened by.

The receiver has said there were many multiple accounts of the same person in more than one name. I agree with Gregg, I have thought for a long time that Craddock had more than just the one account in his name. It was part of the reason why he is fighting this so hard. I guess in his warped mind he thinks this will keep the receiver from finding out. What he has failed to recognize is that the receiver has already found out. Now the receiver wants Craddock to deny that he has other accounts that belong to him notarized and under the penalty of perjury, or to admit he did have more than one account. Just more nails in Craddock's coffin. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

What remains to be seen is how many others in the FunClub are in the same boat? My bet is there are many, if not all of the 12 who formed FunClub.

The "Response to Objection from Receiver' (dated Nov 20, 2012) is a good read if you haven't seen it: https://sites.google.com/a/asdupdate...wards-sec-case

Yes, I am familiar with that website.... :)

Hiya Wizz,

in your travels have you come across anything out of the ordinary or not happening by the numbers in the Zeek case ???

For all the Craddock et al rhetoric, it doesn't appear from the outside their activities have made a single shred of difference to what was always going to happen.

One thing that may be different is if Craddock was a small time player. If he REALLY only has $200 in profit he would have never brought any attention from the receiver for that amount. As it is, there's no way he's gonna get away with a penny now, and after FUN CLUB runs out of donations he's gonna spend more than his $200 in legal fees.

One wonders at his mindset.

Did he wake up one morning and say to himself:

"Hmmn, I think I'm gonna take on the court appointed receiver for a ponzi scheme in which I was a "winner" and, just to make sure he gets the message I'm gonna do it in a public forum"

I suspect my friend DRDave/Ken Russo was among the 1200 big winners, and if he was I'm guessing he's gonna very quietly find the cheapest way out of this as he can. The smart ones give up easy and more importantly quietly when they get caught. No need to advertise to the downline how much you had to give back.
For that matter, I'd have to say that the best schemes for the scammers themselves are the ones that collapse early and don't get a lot of attention. Better to fold up the tent in a few months or even weeks and run off with a few hundred thousand (I mean that's still a nice payday) because if you let if get to this scale, tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars...well, that just gets hard to ignore especially when it has a large footprint on US soil.

This is getting to look like the victims are going to get better than half back, which is good I guess. But a smart serial pimp may still negotiate a settlement. Say the Kettners had been smart enough to just cooperate and cut a deal. Although I've seen big time pimps pay pennies on the dollar (some of the CEP big winners paid back less than 10%) lets just say he cut a deal to pay back 90% and make it go away. Rounding off the couples winnings to $1.5 Million, they could have still profited $150,000 on an initial investment of less than $5000.
So Ken Russo's downline big shot who put in $10,000 and never took any out is gonna lose $5,000, and Ken and the others are getting to KEEP amounts like that.
I know that the receiver has to balance out that it would have cost him more than $150K to get every last dollar, but I sincerely hope he or the SEC refers this to some part of some government that will pursue criminal charges.

And by the way I was in Gettysburg this week and one of my friends there is a lawyer who I talked about this with. A few things that came up were that, say you are a victim and only get half back, you can with some confidence of winning, sue your upline, certainly if one of the big winners who settles still in profit is your upline. He seems confident that if you lost $5000 and your upline got to keep, say, $150,000, you'd have a very good legal case and a jury might indeed be pretty sympathetic to your circumstance. I'm gonna ask some of the JDs on Quatloos about this and Imay have my own "organize the victims" crusade about that, and I won't ask for donations, either.

Stay tuned!

I don't know so much.

I've watched a gradual hardening of attitudes post C.E.P.

If I were a net winner in Zeek, I think the fact the Financial Action Task Force is behind this as it was behind the ASD case would not bode well for a happy and prosperous New year

@Gregg

Mr. Bell has said the returns will be close to 2/3rds

I would think they are compiling a database of the names that repeatedly come up in the scams.

Originally Posted by Wizzard7

@Gregg

Mr. Bell has said the returns will be close to 2/3rds

As they did not originally recover 2/3rds, that sounds delightfully like clawbacks.

From Craddock, he is now out to save us all......

LATEST NEWS

Happy New Year, today January 2, 2013 our attorneys will be filing a response to Kenneth Bell’s filing. It is clear that Attorney Ira Sorkin motion would be great for all of us if it is allowed to move forward. I have spoken to Michael Quilling and Michael intends to file a motion in support of Ira Sorkin as we agree that there is no need to continue this action as it is our belief that the government has not met the burden needed to continue the receivership and their actions are causing more harm than good.

As I continue to be sent links to pages by the MLM bloggers, that love to spend their time spinning the facts and causing disruption, intent on defaming good people and their efforts to help people earn an income and build retirements. I often wonder if these people don’t belong in a different part of the world, where the government tells you what kind of work you will do, where you will live, and how much you will make. If you look at the facts, we live in the greatest country in the world, and these online blogger people would like to villainized the very people that have been active in bringing you unique opportunities to earn money to support your family’s.

To listen to the MLM Bloggers you would think they would all be happy if we just worked at McDonald’s or held some government administrative job. The simple fact is the work most professional network marketers do is empower people, to take advantage of their full potential and reach for all the benefits this country offers everyone.

As we lead on to challenge the actions of a few, to strip everyone hard earned money away, let me leave you with one thought. We all have seen the news in the last week of the Fiscal Cliff, and the discussions of how our country is now hit the 16 trillion debt ceiling, and that our government is still not addressing the out of control spending.

If this was a MLM company doing this they would be stripping the bank accounts taking anything that was not nailed down, but because it is our government it is legal.

Guys, Social Security is a Ponzi by their definition, it pays out more than it takes in, and there are several other government programs that do the same this is why we are all in the crisis situation in this country. Now, let’s take Zeek, a company that creates income for a million plus people, has a positive cash flow (over 300 million in the bank) and the government wants it shut down and the MLM bloggers don’t see the irony.

To me it is important to bring the facts to light, as there are so many people that will fail to report the true facts and this cycle will continue

Guys what I’m trying to tell you is we are all being targeted as potential targets in which to extract money from, it not just MLM because our government is running out of money and this is quickly becoming a way to fund their agencies. Below is some links you may want to click on and read.

FEAR: Forfeiture Endangers American Rights

Illinois Traffic Stop Of Star Trek Fans Raises Concerns About Drug Searches, Police Dogs, Bad Cops

Forfeiture In The News: DOJ Flaunts Its Forfeiture Purse Power, Congrats To Radley Balko & NC5, NOAA Braces For More Revelations…

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com...forfeiture.htm

Whistleblower Sues U.S. Marshals Alleging Forfeiture Misconduct - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime



As the MLM Bloggers continue to paint this group in a negative light they do not realize our efforts may someday protect them from the same type of abuses.

Robert

The whole Sorkin thing was already thrown out right?

Originally Posted by Whip

The whole Sorkin thing was already thrown out right?

Nope. It's still a pending motion. The SEC and receiver will respond. It will be interesting to see how that goes. In the ASD criminal case, Andy Bowdoin's lawyers used a tactic similar to the one that Sorkin is using -- in essence, arguing that ASD was not selling securities and that ASD met none of the Howey Test prongs. The judge in the ASD case expressed doubts that such an argument could prevail.

The problem with the argument -- should it ever "work" -- is that if effectively will create a license to steal. There would be Zeeks and ASDs in every corner of the Internet, and even brick-and-mortar Zeeks and ASDs. I just don't see a judge going for this because it would be viewed as a means of making Ponzi schemes "legal." The security situation it would create would be even more untenable than the current untenable situation.

PPBlog

New filings from Fun Club, on the Files website. Docs 101 and 102

Originally Posted by Wizzard7

From Craddock, he is now out to save us all......
Zeek, a company that creates income for a million plus people, has a positive cash flow (over 300 million in the bank)

And liability of over a billion...