Thread: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !

Jordan "Ponzitracker" Maglich has an update on Craddock... Did Craddock got a SEC subpoena, and tried to spin it as "my lawyers are meeting with the SEC"?

Ponzitracker - Ponzitracker - Co-Founder of Zeek

What I find fascinating about what's happened post Zeekbust and what happened after AdSurf Daily was closed, all the huffing and puffing by everyone outside of the prosecution made not one, single, solitary bit of difference to the outcome.

What's happened to Zeek and Burks so far could almost have been done by the S.E.C. work experience kid, using only the textbook.

Everything has progressed exactly as predicted and exactly as it should.

Everything else is nothing but froth and bubble.

I think the Zeek Rescue Squad might be in real trouble. I can see someone getting charged with Obstruction of Justice on this.

What's happened to Zeek and Burks so far could almost have been done by the S.E.C. work experience kid, using only the textbook.

Yes and no. From a legal standpoint this is actually very different from ASD, in which the SEC was not involved. ASD was taken down by the Secret Service, the refunds were done through a Federal Victims of Crime program and no receiver was appointed. And of course, Andy himself fought it, along with a cast of crazies.
But you are correct in that the true believers and unindicted co-conspirators are acting pretty much the same way and demanding that they get their paonzi scheme back.

Judge Mullen grants Motions to Appear Pro Hac Vice:

THIS MATTER IS BEFORE THE COURT on the Motion for Admission Pro Hac Vice concerning MICHAEL J. QUILLING, filed September 19, 2012 [doc.# 41]. Upon review and consideration of the Motion, which was accompanied by submission of the necessary fee, the Court hereby grants the motion.
In accordance with Local Rule 83.1 (B), Mr. Quilling is admitted to appear before this court pro hac vice on behalf of Fun Club USA.
IT IS SO ORDERED.

THIS MATTER IS BEFORE THE COURT on the Motion for Admission Pro Hac Vice concerning JEREMY D. FREEMAN, filed September 25, 2012 [doc.#48]. Upon review and consideration of the Motion, which was accompanied by submission of the necessary fee, the Court hereby grants the motion.
In accordance with Local Rule 83.1 (B), Mr. Freeman is admitted to appear before this court pro hac vice on behalf of the Receiver for Rex Ventures Group.
IT IS SO ORDERED.

Originally Posted by Gregg

Yes and no. From a legal standpoint this is actually very different from ASD, in which the SEC was not involved. ASD was taken down by the Secret Service, the refunds were done through a Federal Victims of Crime program and no receiver was appointed. And of course, Andy himself fought it, along with a cast of crazies.
But you are correct in that the true believers and unindicted co-conspirators are acting pretty much the same way and demanding that they get their paonzi scheme back.

I meant more along the lines of the Zeek case was done so slickly it's almost like it was done by the numbers.

Evidence gathered - complaint filed - case proven - order issued - receiver appointed -all over - everything since then has been "interesting to watch" but of absolutely no consequence whatsoever.

I noticed on today's docket that InternetDynamo is no longer listed as a defendant. I wonder why?

In one of Robert's update, he said this:

"Over this past week, we have sought out to get the proof that was needed to prove that Zeek Rewards was not a Ponzi scheme and not an investment but rather a legal viable business that was thriving and paying out its affiliates daily profit sharing from the proceeds from the Zeekler auctions and Free Store Club and not that of the proceeds from purchasing of sample VIP bids by its affiliates. We now have the proof that we need to defend Zeek Rewards against the SEC allegations and to bring this proof before the courts to defend Zeek Rewards and all of our independent businesses as per our legal rights of due process.

Furthermore, we will petition the court to allow us to provide the legal proof that we have attained from the corporate office of Zeek Rewards, legal statements of Zeek Rewards corporate officials, and accounting records which will disprove ALL accusations by the SEC to be false and severely misrepresented."

Makes you wonder who the corporate officials were who gave them this information, and if they could also be in hot water for doing it.

This is just one of Robert's statements that could possibly have landed him an appearance before the SEC. No wonder his lawyer told him to zip his lip before he hung himself.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Makes you wonder who the corporate officials were who gave them this information, and if they could also be in hot water for doing it.

This is just one of Robert's statements that could possibly have landed him an appearance before the SEC. No wonder his lawyer told him to zip his lip before he hung himself.

Your statement makes it sound as if you think that there is a possibility that Craddock's statement was true. I doubt that it what you intended.

Latest info from the S.E.C. Zeek Rewards information page

One of my personal goals for this year was to approach the unwitting and unwary with more understanding. To try and reinforce the most human connections between all of us in a fervent hope that compassion might bridge the gaps that logic sometimes can not. But some times there is no other choice than to swing a mean hobnail clue stick.

From the Zeek Affiliates United to Pay the Craddock 12's Legal Bills FaceBook page, in response to someone posting a link to the latest PonziTracker article:

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  Ralph Anselmo George, in that letter it states " Ponzitracker confirmed these suspicions several days later during a conversation with an SEC lawyer involved in the case who categorically denied the allegations as "inaccurate" and "false".
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  Ralph Anselmo Sorry i hiit the wrong button before i finished .This is BS ,No one from the sec talked to any one , they would be fired .They are not allowed to speak to any one about a sec case .
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Um,... Ralph. Did you raise a similar objection when Dave and Robert bragged that the SEC supposedly said to "Fun Clubs" attorneys that their case against Zeek was full of holes? We had to count them all, but now we know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Robert Hall.

Yep,

* We send money to someone we never met to earn 1.5% per DAY for doing something we never knew existed

* We send money to someone we've never met to pay someone else to defend us against something that's already happened.

BUT

* If someone says he has spoken to a S.E.C. lawyer and denies something took place, we're damned well gonna challenge it as being impossible.

Originally Posted by surfer

Your statement makes it sound as if you think that there is a possibility that Craddock's statement was true. I doubt that it what you intended.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised there are people in Zeek corporate that would give him this information, but more importantly this and all his other nonsensical statement is what I believe got him the chance to explain himself in person to the SEC.

There are people who used to work in Zeeks office who BEFORE the raid were taking out insurance by keeping private copies of documents and files. I know this and I suppose I'm not the only one.

Originally Posted by Gregg

There are people who used to work in Zeeks office who BEFORE the raid were taking out insurance by keeping private copies of documents and files. I know this and I suppose I'm not the only one.

Didn't someone send you a cache of docs that you were going over? I've been really, really looking forward to that particular bombshell dropping.

Big difference between member list vs. actual financial numbers. Not that I know what did Gregg got. :)

Originally Posted by kschang

Big difference between member list vs. actual financial numbers. Not that I know what did Gregg got. :)

I have financials, particularly I know who got paid what among the affiliates, sort of. The names are edited out, and the numbers of accounts it went to are redacted enough that I don't have anyone's bank account numbers, although I do know what banks from routing number codes. I have enough to show that the claims that 70% of the funds are overseas (and thus would be harder to collect) are blatantly false. In fact, only 7% of payments went outside North America (although Canada, through STP and Payza etc... do account for over 20%). I know that the top 15 affiliate accounts have serious reason to fear clawbacks.

I don't have a member list, surprisingly. And I strongly suspect that the sealed documents and the stuff I have have a lot in common.

This came from someone who knew the end was near and looks like a package designed to cover someone's backside. It's a very credible source.

Wow, that's some interesting reading material you have there Gregg, I'll try to narrow my list of questions.

Is there any information that corresponds to something like a "user number"? I remember with Ad View Global you could search affiliate pages by altering a six digit number in the URL which let you see if someone was the first to join or the 2,001st to join. It was amusing how many names we could recognize in the first hundred signups. I know Zeek's affiliate links contained user names (there by giving hackers 50% of the info they needed to compromise an account) but is there any indication in the information you possess about how soon or how late someone joined? I'm sure there are dates on the bank transactions but I guess I'm more wondering if your info includes any indications of "genealogy"? Who was in who's downline, that sort of thing.

One thing I sorta speculated about, there was supposed to be a hard $10,000 cap on how much you could spend on bid purchases. But I recall in Late May or perhaps June the ZR support staff was compiling a Google Doc spread sheet of affiliates who purchased bids through STP but were not credited for those purchases. The thing that jumped out at me was that Todd Disner's name was on that list for (if I recall correctly) better than a two grand purchase he was still waiting for bids from. If the $10,000 cap ever applied to him or the other "founders" I find it hard to believe he didn't max out his purchases long before this summer. Is there any indication in the documents you have that any of the top 15 winners purchased more than 10 grand worth of bids?

I know that the top 15 affiliate accounts have serious reason to fear clawbacks.

Speaking of which, Dave Kettner's latest (and perhaps final) update:

Hello Zeek Team,

I wanted to send you out a brief update regarding the process of our Zeek legal fight. We have been advised by our attorneys to stop posting updates of the progress of the Zeek fight as to not share information that can be seen as upsetting to the SEC. Our attorneys are in the process of working with the SEC through this entire process through the courts and we do not want to muddy the waters and make the SEC feel that we are attacking them. It has become public knowledge that our motions have been filed in court and that the judge has allowed our motions to be heard. Please know that this process does take time and allow the attorneys to do their job. We have also taken down the Facebook page as per our attorneys request.

All future updates that can be shared will continue to come from zteambiz.net. If you do not have an account, you can simply set one up at that site. If you are having problems with your password, simply click on the forgot your password link and it will be sent to you. If you still have problems with any of this, then please send a request directly to Robert at legalboards@gmail.com. All requests need to be sent directly to Robert as I do not have access to his site to correct these issues, so please do not send them to me. Also, please do not send either of us any questions regarding the case as we can not answer them either. All information that can be shared will be posted directly in the latest news section of the zteambiz.net site.

Please also realize that they are many people posting lots of negative information on the Internet regarding Zeek Rewards, Robert, myself and others. Do know that these people truly have no idea what they are talking about and will more then likely continue to post garbage in order to get more drama posted that results in more views to their sites. The truth will be coming to the public directly through the courts and then these people can find other stories to post about once they realize they were wrong the entire time. I personally do not waste my time reading that garbage.

So please do not look for any more updates coming from me through this newsletter until I am told from our attorneys that I can send an update directly to you. Thank you for understanding and your patience with this process.

Until then, please continue to pray that justice will prevail in our favor and for all of those people that are doing their best to get our businesses back in operation.

God Bless,

Dave Kettner

Oh my God, this will put a dent into the fund raising effort. With the FaceBook page yanked there is literally no feedback mechanism in place besides private e-mail for the donors to ask questions of the people they gave their money to.

"we do not want to muddy the waters and make the SEC feel that we are attacking them"

So, they are no longer 'attacking' the SEC? Isn't that what you were raising money to do? That must have been some conversation the SEC had with Craddock and his attorneys (paid for by the donors).

"All requests need to be sent directly to Robert as I do not have access to his site to correct these issues, so please do not send them to me. Also, please do not send either of us any questions regarding the case as we can not answer them either. All information that can be shared will be posted directly in the latest news section of the zteambiz.net site."

Notice of record, all further communications will come from Robert and only from a website Dave has no control over, from here on in it's all on Robert. Mary's still in BannerBrokers and when that implodes she can join Dave in Lyoness (if she hasn't already) so Dave doesn't need this anymore. If Robert wants to hang himself with the SEC well that's on him. The fund raising effort is stalled for the foreseeable future and Dave has clawbacks to think of. And there are always other less than legal money games for he and his lovely wife to play.

Just a brief update, I check the list of Parties in the Zeek/SEC case.

InternetDynamo is back on the list as an "Interested Party" instead of Defendant. Fun Club USA is also listed as "Interested Party".

IMHO, Internet Dynamo, being the webhost, fears that they will be named as accessory to wire fraud, and wants to make sure that they are covered under "safe harbor" as the web host much like ISP would be.

But I STILL don't see an angle for Fun Club USA to be "interested party" between SEC vs. RVG, unless you really stretch the definition. ;)

Originally Posted by kschang

IMHO, Internet Dynamo, being the webhost, fears that they will be named as accessory to wire fraud, and wants to make sure that they are covered under "safe harbor" as the web host much like ISP would be.

But I STILL don't see an angle for Fun Club USA to be "interested party" between SEC vs. RVG, unless you really stretch the definition. ;)

Fun Club is an interested party in that they have a motion before the court. When the motion is tossed, and it will be, they will no longer be an interested party. Their current status as such is more or less by default, not because they have any merit to argue.

Originally Posted by kschang

But I STILL don't see an angle for Fun Club USA to be "interested party" between SEC vs. RVG,

Fun Club is well aware its' intended victims have no idea of the difference in law between someone who is "interested" in what happens and someone who "has an interest" in the proceedings.

Originally Posted by Gregg

Fun Club is an interested party in that they have a motion before the court. When the motion is tossed, and it will be, they will no longer be an interested party. Their current status as such is more or less by default, not because they have any merit to argue.

Gregg, to my knowledge, Fun Club has no Motion before the court. I know that Craddock and Kettner keep mentioning some motion, but the PACER docket says otherwise. The only thing they have actually filed is a Corporate Disclosure Statement (Doc 40)

They just got Quilling approved to practice pro hac vice. I check the docket daily, no motion from Quilling or Alexander, as of the 26th with no new filings since that date.

They "intend" to file a motion, which is an intent to get involved in a case. ;)

Originally Posted by Wizzard7

Gregg, to my knowledge, Fun Club has no Motion before the court. I know that Craddock and Kettner keep mentioning some motion, but the PACER docket says otherwise. The only thing they have actually filed is a Corporate Disclosure Statement (Doc 40)

They just got Quilling approved to practice pro hac vice. I check the docket daily, no motion from Quilling or Alexander, as of the 26th with no new filings since that date.

Well, all told the have Rodney Alexander's notice of appearance, Fun Clubs disclosure, Quilling's pro hac vice application and then docket number 49 "Motion to Appear Granted for Quilling." All have been filed and all have been "heard," so Dave is not outright lying he's just phrasing things in a way which might cause his donors to draw inaccurate and over optimistic conclusions.

Rod Cook of MLMWatchDog dot Com had an update last week on his page about Zeek Rewards:

KOREAN ZEEK CREDIT CARD PROCESSOR RIPPING OFF 1,000’S

9/22/12 The Watchdog has gotten a flood of complaints about people who are still getting hit monthly by Zeek’s Korean credit card processor. When you get your credit card bill check for a line “Zeekler.com” SEOUL KR. You get hit for the Zeek $29.95 monthly plus a FOREIGN TRANSACTION FEE of .89 cents for a total of $30.84. The only thing you can do is call your credit card company and dispute the payment! IF YOU DON’T IT IS GOING TO GO ON AND AND ON! Editors Note: We very rarely contact regulators but this was an exception. Don't bet on that call your credit card company!

ScamBook dot Com has a page devoted to Global Lamda, one of the known Korean credit card possessors for Zeek Rewards. As of now it lists 50 complaints about the company. And under the header we can find:

This Company Page started on August 6th, 2012

Hmm, just before the shut down. It's curious to see how many of the complaints are for dollar amounts 89 or 90 cents higher than ZR's monthly subscription payments. And the most recent complaint is only a week old. How much you want to bet fresh complaints will be added soon with this being the first of the month.

Hey, didn't Dr. Keith Laggos state on his now infamous Lyoness call that he was the one who hooked Zeek up with their foreign credit possessors? Well that's just one more thing Zeek affiliates can thank Dr. Laggos for.