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Those weren't the exact words. You'll need to listen to his conclusion in the back, though I think he updated the webpage to be a transcript of his spoken words.

Am I missing something here? It seems people are going out of their way to give Troy cover, or claiming he isn't as bad as we think. Is my assessment right, or am I all wet on this one?

Troy is responsible for thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people joining Zeek. He was told repeatedly why Zeek was a Ponzi. And he refused to believe any of it, but instead doubled-down on his defense of Zeek, Paul Burks, Dawn, Caldwell, Kettner and Craddock. And now we are not to call him on whatever he is saying as we might hurt his feelings? Seriously?

If that is true, then we all need to do the same thing for Paul Burks, Dawn, Caldwell, Craddock, Kettner, Laggos, Nehra, and anyone else defending Zeek was not a Ponzi.

If I am wrong on this, I'll admit it, but it just seems odd to me that we are to treat Troy with kid gloves or we might hurt his feelings.

I could care less about his "feelings," but I do care about the feelings of all the people he hurt by getting them to join Zeek, as well as all the other Zeeksters.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Am I missing something here? It seems people are going out of their way to give Troy cover, or claiming he isn't as bad as we think. Is my assessment right, or am I all wet on this one?

I think it's what happens when people try and use the same standards of "logic and science" and "proof" when discussing online programs as is used in offline discussion and/or court proceedings.

It has long been my position that providing 100% indisputable "proof" of a 'net based fraud is nigh on impossible and a certain amount of assumptions have to be made.

Can you "prove" David Copperfield didn't really make the elephant disappear on YouTube ??

You absolutely KNOW it didn't vanish, but, can you "PROVE" it

ESPECIALLY when the person to whom you provide the "proof" stands to make money if you don't prove it to his/her satisfaction.

Mr Dooly has only to keep repeating the "show me irrefutable proof" mantra and he can continue to play the innocent, simply because "irrefutable" proof is not possible online.

Produce a document and he'll say it could have been Photoshopped.

Don't produce a document and he'll say it doesn't exist.

Say 1.5% per day is impossible he'll ask you to prove it can't be done, which, of course, can't be done itself.

The S.E.C. DOESN'T comment, Mr Dooly will say that means something in itself.

A couple of months of playing 'round and 'round the mulberry bush like that and he's home clear

And, who's going to be the nasty bas***d who stands up and says the guru is and was full of excreta ??

Originally Posted by littleroundman

I think it's what happens when people try and use the same standards of "logic and science" and "proof" when discussing online programs as is used in offline discussion and/or court proceedings.

It has long been my position that providing 100% indisputable "proof" of a 'net based fraud is nigh on impossible and a certain amount of assumptions have to be made.

Can you "prove" David Copperfield didn't really make the elephant disappear on YouTube ??

You absolutely KNOW it didn't vanish, but, can you "PROVE" it

ESPECIALLY when the person to whom you provide the "proof" stands to make money if you don't prove it to his/her satisfaction.

Mr Dooly has only to keep repeating the "show me irrefutable proof" mantra and he can continue to play the innocent, simply because "irrefutable" proof is not possible online.

Produce a document and he'll say it could have been Photoshopped.

Don't produce a document and he'll say it doesn't exist.

Say 1.5% per day is impossible he'll ask you to prove it can't be done, which, of course, can't be done itself.

The S.E.C. DOESN'T comment, Mr Dooly will say that means something in itself.

A couple of months of playing 'round and 'round the mulberry bush like that and he's home clear

And, who's going to be the nasty bas***d who stands up and says the guru is and was full of excreta ??

I will. I have no problem telling the emperor he has no clothes, and he is all BS.

Speaking of the "why is everybody picking on me" Troy Dooly, did you catch this gem: Troy pointed out in a recent article that an announcement from Craddock's group indicated they retained a law firm to fight "crawl backs." (His words not mine). I am not sure if it was a casual slip, or it was intentional but as we had said all along was what they were hiring an attorney to do, not file suit against the SEC.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Speaking of the "why is everybody picking on me" Troy Dooly, did you catch this gem: Troy pointed out in a recent article that an announcement from Craddock's group indicated they retained a law firm to fight "crawl backs." (His words not mine). I am not sure if it was a casual slip, or it was intentional but as we had said all along was what they were hiring an attorney to do, not file suit against the SEC.

I'm not sure one way or the other but Troy at one point did claim to see a copy of the engagement letter with SNR Denton. If he did I'm sure it was under a promise of confidentiality.

And word is spreading, Ted Nuyten's Business From Home blog published the following:

Zteambiz Ripping Off Former Zeek Affiliates?

by Ted Nuyten on September 13, 2012

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Zteambiz, a website run by former Zeek Affiliate Robert Craddock and his right hand man David Kettner are most likely ripping off ex-Zeek Affiliates by spreading false rumors with the only purpose to collect money for their "Zeek Defense Team" and personal objectives.

Link to the rest of the article.

And Kevin Thompson weighs in as well:

SEC Admissions Of Weakness In Zeek Case “Inaccurate”; Tactics and Motivations of Zeek Victim Group Questioned

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The update below was prepared by Zeek Recovery contributor, Jordan Maglich. In summary, we strongly encourage everyone to be patient with the process. Zeek Rewards is NOT coming back. There’s no value in donating money to cover someone else’s legal bill. This is especially true if you lack information regarding the personal benefits of the effort (assuming there are any), lack information regarding how the money is spent and lack information regarding the law firm being retained. If it’s possible, we suggest you request a refund for your donation made pursuant to this effort. As we’ve written in the past, there’s no benefit for a group of people to retain a law firm and negotiate en masse. The receiver is going to treat all victims equally, regardless if a few hundred or thousand have retained a similar lawyer. In the event of class action litigation, the benefits will be distributed evenly to the entire class, regardless if the victims have “donated” to the effort. +Kevin Thompson

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Let's see how Dave and Robert handle live fire from both sides of the MLM divide.

(Perhaps with something like this)

Zeek Rewards Affiliates United Against The SEC

2 minutes ago


I agree with all of my fellow affiliates these negative sites and posts are disturbing and not true....we have stopped taking donation because we don't need any more to move forward with the legal action being taken by the affiliates to take back their home businesses. Which is something the so called watch dogs are not reporting on at all.....Our intent the whole time was to bring truth and justice in the process for us the affiliates....There are allot of wolves out there trying to prey on our fellow Zeek people, either to get us into a NEW program or to rate their own site thus increase their income. Please just be patient when court document are filed .... Then most of these negative sites will have to go away or change their tune....Mary

Yes, please file something. We want to know who your new law firm is.

And just for informational purposes the zTeamBiz website's Terms of Service includes only one instance of the word "Refund." It is in the following paragraph:

Fees collected, as this site is managed design to secure competent legal counsel to prevent further damage caused by the actions of the FTC actions against Rex Venture Group aka, Zeek Rewards, if in the event that competent legal counsel cannot be secured Fun Club USA will refund monies received to all parties with the exception of fees charged by PayPal.com, advanced fees paid to prospected attorneys and associated fees for setup and management of the group action to protect the Zeek Group seeking protection from future actions by the FTC against the Zeek group.

Does this mean that people are entitled to a refund if they have Dwight Schweitzer to handle the case?



And.,....This just In.,... Breaking News from zTeamBiz:

LATEST NEWS

Update for September 13, 2012


Greetings good people, I wanted to provide everyone an update of the latest. First as I checked the counter for the hits to Troy Dooly videos, we can see that everyone now understands the motivation by Troy, for income potential by keeping the controversy going, and it appears that most people have now stopped the viewing of the ranting videos we have all been deluged with over the past weeks.


Next let me give you some numbers by going to the YouTube site and pulling up a list of Troy videos it is easy to see the current numbers and it is a telling tail of our message now reaching the masses. First video attacking two weeks ago currently has 10,379 views, attacking video 4 days ago, 16,872 but here is the part I’m impressed with attacking video 17 hours ago 1,099 so clearly now that we are explaining to everyone that if we reward Troy by going to his site with his desire to place negative and false information, regarding Zeek and the people working to correct this issue, his traffic will drop off quickly. Troy is now seeing a decline in viewers. In addition it appears that his only viewers were Zeek Affiliates and the other companies he is reporting on has not importance to anyone but Troy. I had started to contact YouTube.com and under their community guidelines, http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines in the section of Harassment, file a complaint but as we see the numbers start to drop it is just not worth the time as there was close to 2 million people worldwide in Zeek Rewards and Troy at Troy’s brightest moment Troy reached just .843 percent of the people in Zeek rewards, and now he is reaching just .054 percent so it just was not worth the time and effort to file anything.


We wish him well as he is learning that his short term fame is fading and soon will be forgotten.
On to legal news, have not heard back on the notice of appearance filing but will get it posted just as soon as we see it, secondly there is a letter circulating out there that says that McGuire Woods the Lawyers for the Zeek appointed receiver stated “Finds Zeekler innocent” as I’m with everyone in believing that this is true I have to tell you that I have not heard this from our attorneys and feel if such a statement was made it would have made it to me by now.
Second there is yet another statement that this group and Fun Club USA would not have standing or the Judge will stay any filing, again this is not accurate and has not happen. As always this is factual information and not rumor or speculation.


Will update you again on Friday the 14^th of September.

Robert

Bolding mine

LMFAO, Robert Craddock considers filing a take down request, against Troy. The man is a comedy goldmine.

Don't you just love it when Ponzi promoter's go at each other.

By the time they get done with fees, there won't be any money to refund, but the 12 will have their attorney fee's covered against clawbacks, or as Craddock said "crawl backs."

My guess if the law firm is from Dallas, it is Friedman & Fiegler. They are the only ones I know who could care less about any filing as long as they got paid. Heck they get paid and don't do any filings. Ask Bob Guenther.

The latest crock of news:

Zeek Rewards Affiliates United Against The SEC shared a link.

19 minutes ago


In other updates...If you have not already, please make your account at zteambiz.net. Robert has been fixing the problem with people requesting their passwords to their email and not receiving them. If this is the case, please give it some time to be fixed and try again later. On Wednesday the 12th of September the Zteambiz.net site was updated so if you used the link to signup, the next page you would view was your information with the temp password, due to the massive amount of signups now we are having issues getting the emails out and had to go to this plan. If you sent in spread sheets with names we are backloged in getting the data in the correct format to upload it and if you can just go to the site and signup now. when we get the data uploaded it will not generate a second record, if the system sees you have allready signed up.

People that have already made their donations through PayPal need not to worry as your funds have already been sent directly to the law firm. Plus your name has already been recorded into the protected group of affiliates being represented by our law suit. The retainer for the law firm has already been met and no funds are needed at this time, but anyone still wanting to donate to the cause will be further sent to the law firm as backup funds that may be needed at a later time....This is some of my husbands news letter to our Zeek Samurai family...I hope it help address the email problem.....Mary

Bolding mine.

How long can they keep using the "if you donate you're being represented" lie with a straight face? Sorry for repeating myself but the ONLY people being represented are the 12 named "Fun Club" members and all the donors are giving those 12 people money for nothing.

OK, so they are no longer "asking" for donations, but if you want to give them your money they will still take it.

I don't like what have been called "activist Judges," who change laws from the bench. But I found an exception. I want some Judge somewhere to impound the letter 't' from Robert Craddock's name, just so people will know what to expect from him.


(When will I learn to check my inbox before posting)

This just in from Dave Kettner:

Helllo Zeek Samurai,


I wanted to update you on the progress of the Zeek lawsuit and to answer to the "junk" and lies that are being posted now around the Internet. It is absolutely ridiculous what people around the Internet are posting about us and our legal fight who have no idea what they are talking about and blasting us for the good that we are trying to do to fight for Zeek Rewards and all of us their affiliates.


My last post on Saturday were all facts. This information came directly from Robert Craddock who shared information from the communication from our lawyers and the lawyers representing the case from the SEC. Robert has since now said that the lawyer has said that we should not have shared this conversation between the two lawyers as it was not an "official" conversation and the last thing we want to do is back the SEC into a corner making this fight harder then it should be. This information obviously was not and will not be published or posted by the SEC.


Here is what will be made public very soon...When the motion filed by our lawyers goes through the court, it will be made public that our law firm is representing ALL of the Zeek Rewards affiliates that have either donated money for the law firm support and/or have added their information to the list of people submitted at http://zteambiz.net or submitted through the spreadsheets of people that have been sent in to Robert Craddock. The next public announcements will be from the courts regarding our actions that we are demanding that the SEC present to prove their allegations against Zeek and Rex Venture and things will progress from there.


We will not provide any more information regarding the lawsuit as whenever we have done this, it has resulted in negative attacks and hindered the progress of the fight and what needs to be done by the lawyers and through the court system. For example, Robert in confidence provided Troy Dooly with the names of our previous law firm SNR Denton's lawyers along with their cell phones and Troy posted it publicly in a video and on his website for all to see. This resulted in thousands of people contacting our lawyers directly to the point that they had to decline to represent us and we were forced to find a new law firm. This blatant disregard for keeping important information private by Troy has made it that we can not and will not share any more information with him or any other "talking heads" on the Internet. In result of this, we are receiving a lot of negative publicity from them as they want our information so they can post more drama to generate more views to their websites thus resulting in them making more profits. It is a shame that this is happening, but nevertheless, they are still doing it.


Team, we are in the middle of a fight for the life of our Zeek Rewards business. Myself, Robert, and several others are doing EVERYTHING possible to prove to the world that what the SEC accused Zeek and Rex Venture of to be false and do what ever possible to get Zeek Rewards back up and running again in the future. We are fighting this fight using our own time and resources and not making a dime from it. ALL of the money that has been collected by Robert Craddock has been sent to our law firm and will be used to meet our goals as I just mentioned. There is no other agenda but to achieve these goals and do whatever possible to get Zeek Rewards clear of all accusations and get the company back in business as we all know that Zeek Rewards was wrongly shut down by an agency that not only should have no authority over it, but also who did not understand the entire business model before they acted on an emergency injunction shutting Zeek Rewards down.


Here is what need from all of you...Please stop listening to the negative naysayers and doomsday "talking heads" that obviously have no idea what the facts are and are only trying to drive up traffic to their sites by preying on this hot new topic. Please be patient in knowing that whenever we are dealing with the court system, this process takes time. Please stop emailing me asking about the progress of our fight or if I know any new information or when Zeek will be back up as all you are doing is hindering the progress of what we are trying to do. Information will be posted as we can post it and I will not post anymore "insider information" as it is only taken by others as more ammunition for them to attack us and fuel more drama. The last thing we want is to damage the positive progress that we are seeing moving forward with our law suit.


In other updates...If you have not already, please make your account at http://zteambiz.net. Robert has been fixing the problem with people requesting their passwords to their email and not receiving them. If this is the case, please give it some time to be fixed and try again later. Those wanting to still donate can do so once logged into the site. On Wednesday the 12th of September the Zteambiz.net site was updated so if you used the link to signup, the next page you would view was your information with the temp password, due to the massive amount of signups now we are having issues getting the emails out and had to go to this plan. if you sent in spread sheets with names we are backloged in getting the data in the correct format to upload it and if you can just go to the site and signup now. when we get the data uploaded it will not generate a second record, if the system sees you have allready signed up.

People that have already made their donations through PayPal need not to worry as your funds have already been sent directly to the law firm and you do not need to worry. Plus your name has already been recorded into the protected group of affiliates being represented by our law suit. The retainer for the law firm has already been met and no funds are needed at this time, but anyone still wanting to donate to the cause will be further sent to the law firm as backup funds that may be needed at a later time.


Some people have been receiving generic emails from the receiver...please disregard as it is nothing important.

Robert has also updated the site http://zteambiz.net in the latest news section with new information as of today. Watch this latest news section for information as it can be shared by Robert.

As you are hearing the bogus reports being posted around the Internet, please do me and all of us a favor and respond back to these people in defense of what we are doing. We are only as strong as us willing to stand up for what we believe. So please let these "talking heads" know your thoughts and they will also see when the details come out through the court and everything is made public. This will be the proof that will not only make them look like fools, but will maybe result in them not having a following of people anymore. That will be a very tough lesson for them to learn and will teach them a lesson in reporting what is real and not posting lies simply to get traffic to their websites.
I wish you all the best and God Bless,


Dave Kettner

The "generic e-mail from the receiver" which Dave finds so unimportant reads as follows:

September 13, 2012

Many of you are asking what the Receiver has been doing since August 17, 2012. Among a great many other tasks required by the Court’s Order, we have made it the first priority to secure Receivership Assets. As of today we have secured nearly $300,000,000.00 in Receivership Assets. There may be tens of millions of dollars more of recoverable assets. This process will take time, and I ask your patience while we seek every recoverable dollar for victims of Rex Ventures Group LLC. While many of you are understandably anxious to begin the claims process, we simply can’t do that until we are reasonably certain we have recovered all assets from which victims can be compensated. This process will take months, if not longer.

Among those from whom we intend to recover assets are those affiliates who took more out of Rex Ventures than they put in. Many of you received little or nothing from this enterprise. In order to make everyone as whole as possible, those who profited from participating should surrender their gains.

We hope to soon post an information template for you to complete. This is not an official claim form, but it will allow us to begin collecting your information for future claims processes, and better enable us to communicate with you.

Finally, I read in many emails and web postings that some affiliates claim to have spoken to me or the SEC. False information is being circulated by these claimants. I have not spoken to any of those claiming to have done so. I will communicate with you through this web site. If I could answer all of the hundreds of thousands of emails and calls from you I would, but obviously I can’t. I also recommend that you consider only what the SEC posts on its web site for its position on this matter.

Thank you for your patience and support as we work for the benefit of all victims of Rex Ventures Group LLC. I commit to keeping you as informed as possible.

Kenneth D. Bell
Receiver

Bolding mine.

Gee Todd and Dave, I think he's talking about you. :)

You forgot the original link, Glim.

http://zeekrewardsreceivership.com/p...20Receiver.pdf

This Gang of 12 are incredibly stupid. I guess they are just used to everyone believing whatever pap that was put out about Zeek it would never be questioned.

Now let's see. When it was announced that the attorney had a call with the SEC and they admitted they had 2 issues:

1. We (the SEC) are not able to find a victim in this case. We are not able to find anybody at this time that has been harmed by Zeek Rewards.

2. We (the SEC) are having a hard time finding a security. In the complaint, it said that Zeek was selling securities and was an investment scheme.

It was great news! Now because it was announced it is going to damage their case? The SEC will dig in their heels? They have already admitted they have 2 major problems, and somehow because this was mentioned in public it won't be true when the action is filed? Seriously?

I love the part about they need "others" to defend them, instead of themselves. Come on Robert, Dave and Todd...grow a set and come out and play. After all you have Truth, Justice and the American Way on your side. How will we ever be able to defend ourselves?

Originally Posted by EagleOne

I will. I have no problem telling the emperor he has no clothes, and he is all BS.

Anyone who was around for the AdSurf Daily saga knows that whatever Mr Dooly says from here on in will not make a single, solitary bit of difference to anyone except Mr Dooly himself.

It will take as long as it takes.

The only thing going to be effected is his own (very damaged) reputation.

The emergency freeze worked exactly as it should and nobody can lose any more money, unless they really, really want to, of course.

All the conjecture and all the theorizing in the world might make for "interesting" discussion, but, it sure as h**l isn't going to make any difference to the outcome.

It may take a few years, just as it did for the AdSurf Daily members, but eventually people will come to recognize what's happening at the minute is having abso-bloody-lutely no effect on the only people who CAN do anything to effect the outcome i.e. the Receiver and the prosecutors.

September 13, 2012

Many of you are asking what the Receiver has been doing since August 17, 2012. Among a great many other tasks required by the Court’s Order, we have made it the first priority to secure Receivership Assets. As of today we have secured nearly $300,000,000.00 in Receivership Assets. There may be tens of millions of dollars more of recoverable assets. This process will take time, and I ask your patience while we seek every recoverable dollar for victims of Rex Ventures Group LLC. While many of you are understandably anxious to begin the claims process, we simply can’t do that until we are reasonably certain we have recovered all assets from which victims can be compensated. This process will take months, if not longer.

Among those from whom we intend to recover assets are those affiliates who took more out of Rex Ventures than they put in. Many of you received little or nothing from this enterprise. In order to make everyone as whole as possible, those who profited from participating should surrender their gains.
We hope to soon post an information template for you to complete. This is not an official claim form, but it will allow us to begin collecting your information for future claims processes, and better enable us to communicate with you.

Finally, I read in many emails and web postings that some affiliates claim to have spoken to me or the SEC. False information is being circulated by these claimants. I have not spoken to any of those claiming to have done so. I will communicate with you through this web site. If I could answer all of the hundreds of thousands of emails and calls from you I would, but obviously I can’t. I also recommend that you consider only what the SEC posts on its web site for its position on this matter.

Thank you for your patience and support as we work for the benefit of all victims of Rex Ventures Group LLC. I commit to keeping you as informed as possible.

Kenneth D. Bell
Receiver

Man, sometimes the danger of false hopes has a very human face. This is from the Kettner's FB page but I'm not including the name:

Let me put it to you this way, Kenneth Bell is saying anyone who profited from Zeek will have to give back their gains. What this means is, people who worked day to day, letting their meager bids develop, who started out with next to nothing, “many including myself began with only $50 worth of bids”, and we built our business over a long period of time, to a weekly income where families that were living off of this revenue are now going to be punished for being thrifty. Most of these type of people, will not have the money to give back, because they only lived week to week or month to month, as with any job or business! I have no money coming in right now, none at all, we have 35 days until we are out on the street and there ain’t no jobs... And these depraved entities want to take even more...

But that ain’t good enough for these demagogues, they will remove the straw from our building bricks and mortar making it even more difficult...Many of these good people who knew they were operating a legal Hone based business, will have what little assets they have left, removed, like bank accounts, cars, even modest homes taken away,.. All because of this screwed up bassackwards mindset... Which was the modus operandi the entire time...

However people who did not look at this as a business, who put $5000 or $10000 into Zeek as an investment, which was illegal to do in the first place, to get a quick win fall, and then lost it when the SEC took over, they will be blessed for being greedy or at least that is what they think, think again! However, the warning Bell wants to return their money back while punishing those who built their business from scratch!

This is the kind of mindset we are dealing with. These entitles do not care about hard working families who were never given a chance to defend themselves of these false allegations, ‘but soon we shall’, who have done their very best to earn a living from scratch, they will be punished for profiting in a business, and according to the IRS on our mandated compliance test, unless you go into a business for the purpose of profit, it is illegal... But those who flat out were driven by greed and quick returns, not really having the purchasing power, they are to be given their money back with no further loss? What is wrong with this picture?

The world is upside down and backwards, the cursed are blessed and the blessed are cursed....but we are about to witness a miracle... We are about to witness a change... They have pushed our backs to the Rock and the Hard Place, but we shall be delivered...

On our best days we use logic and rhetoric like a scalpel to slice through deception and when that wont work we pound the facts till the lies fall apart. But we all have what to some seems to be an unlikely vulnerability. We all do this because we really care about people. What can you say to someone who wrote that?

Yea, he'd be a few miles ahead of where he's at if he'd have flipped burgers all day in addition to posting his daily ad. He'd be light-years ahead if he'd use the internet to investigate vocational education opportunities instead of online money games. All that and more is absolutely true, but it also isn't my point.

Money games like Zeek Rewards are the crack cocaine of false hope. If most people were introduced to these programs by a simple, sterile recitation of the buisness plan the majority of people would walk away. "You mean I copy and paste one ad a day and earn trans-Madoff interest rates? Nothing real works that way." But people aren't introduced to these things like that, they're introduced either by people they already trust or by people skilled at stealing that trust from them. It's called "relationship marketing" but the problem is we all have relationships we regret.

So we have this sad person "35 days" away from being out on the street because his magic Zeek money fountain went dry and I hope to God he isn't giving money to Disner/Kettner/Craddock. But even if he isn't he is turning to them for his false hope fix. And that false hope addiction is this guys problem. If he'd stop investing mental/emotional energy on a ponzi scheme that will never come back he might have time to find a lasting solution to feeding his family. Because let's face it, you can't pull yourself up by your own bootstraps by copying and pasting one ad a day. That's a very harsh truth and one that will be difficult for some to accept. But the sooner they kick the false hope habit the sooner they can start looking for something to build real hope upon.

Let me put it to you this way, Kenneth Bell is saying anyone who profited from Zeek will have to give back their gains.

It seems the usual post-ponzi collapse disinformation campaign is working exactly as intended by those whose mission it is to create panic and confusion to achieve their own perverted ends.

That's NOT what the receiver said.

In fact, on the contrary, Mr Bell has indicated he recognizes the reality of the situation WRT "insiders"

In his own words:

Many of you received little or nothing from this enterprise.

He also uses the term "recoverable assets" not "we're gonna screw the little guy until his nose bleeds"

It's simply not feasible or cost effective for a receiver to go after what are, after all, relatively small amounts considering how much "insiders" stole.

As for those who are deliberately panicking the real "victims" of the Zeek fraud, repeated beatings on the bottom of their feet with sharp sticks is definitely called for.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

It seems the usual post-ponzi collapse disinformation campaign is working exactly as intended by those whose mission it is to create panic and confusion to achieve their own perverted ends.

That's NOT what the receiver said.

In fact, on the contrary, Mr Bell has indicated he recognizes the reality of the situation WRT "insiders"

In his own words:

He also uses the term "recoverable assets" not "we're gonna screw the little guy until his nose bleeds"

It's simply not feasible or cost effective for a receiver to go after what are, after all, relatively small amounts considering how much "insiders" stole.

As for those who are deliberately panicking the real "victims" of the Zeek fraud, repeated beatings on the bottom of their feet with sharp sticks is definitely called for.

Perhaps alternated with hot pokers to tender places...?

Originally Posted by laidback

Perhaps alternated with hot pokers to tender places...?

You mean the "nether" regions?

I just have to comment, in color

Helllo Zeek Samurai,


I wanted to update you on the progress of the Zeek lawsuit and to answer to the "junk" and lies that are being posted now around the Internet. It is absolutely ridiculous what people around the Internet are posting about us and our legal fight who have no idea what they are talking about and blasting us for the good that we are trying to do to fight for Zeek Rewards and all of us their affiliates.
I need to tell you some lies before you start lookjing into what a screwing we're trying to give you. We need to make sure YOU have no idea what we're talking about because if you did you'd figure out that OUR legal fight is against YOU and we can't have that.

My last post on Saturday were all facts. This information came directly from Robert Craddock who shared information from the communication from our lawyers and the lawyers representing the case from the SEC. Robert has since now said that the lawyer has said that we should not have shared this conversation between the two lawyers as it was not an "official" conversation and the last thing we want to do is back the SEC into a corner making this fight harder then it should be. This information obviously was not and will not be published or posted by the SEC.
My post, both Saturday and pretty much all the other ones, was pure bullshit. OUr lawyers didn't have any informal conversations with the SEC, and they didn't admit to any problems with their case, because the SEC case is in fact over, done and they've moved on. Rex Venture Group is now controlled by a court appointed receiver, who is in the process of liquidating the company and has said he wants to pursue "clawbacks" and that means US. Again, we can't have that. Again, the important point here is The SEC is DONE with this case, they're no longer involved, so why whould we even talk to them, or they to us?


Here is what will be made public very soon...When the motion filed by our lawyers goes through the court, it will be made public that our law firm is representing ALL of the Zeek Rewards affiliates that have either donated money for the law firm support and/or have added their information to the list of people submitted at zteambiz.net or submitted through the spreadsheets of people that have been sent in to Robert Craddock. The next public announcements will be from the courts regarding our actions that we are demanding that the SEC present to prove their allegations against Zeek and Rex Venture and things will progress from there.
You could easily prove you're not a lying sack of **** by publishing the engagement letter/ retainer agreement. That legally binding document would make very clear who is being represented and what you're trying to do. It would also, yes, make it public who your lawyer is and yes, I myself am gonna call them and make sure they either publicly confirm the so called informal conversation or call you the lying sack of **** you are. Don't be surprised if you need to go find another lawyer.


We will not provide any more information regarding the lawsuit as whenever we have done this, it has resulted in negative attacks and hindered the progress of the fight and what needs to be done by the lawyers and through the court system. For example, Robert in confidence provided Troy Dooly with the names of our previous law firm SNR Denton's lawyers along with their cell phones and Troy posted it publicly in a video and on his website for all to see. This resulted in thousands of people contacting our lawyers directly to the point that they had to decline to represent us and we were forced to find a new law firm. This blatant disregard for keeping important information private by Troy has made it that we can not and will not share any more information with him or any other "talking heads" on the Internet. In result of this, we are receiving a lot of negative publicity from them as they want our information so they can post more drama to generate more views to their websites thus resulting in them making more profits. It is a shame that this is happening, but nevertheless, they are still doing it.
If you weren't lying about pretty much everything you say, you'd really have fewer issues with the truth being exposed. Wouldn't be good for getting the suckers to pay your legal bills, but at least you wouldn't have to keep all the stories straight.


Team, we are in the middle of a fight for the life of our Zeek Rewards business. Myself, Robert, and several others are doing EVERYTHING possible to prove to the world that what the SEC accused Zeek and Rex Venture of to be false and do what ever possible to get Zeek Rewards back up and running again in the future. We are fighting this fight using our own time and resources and not making a dime from it. ALL of the money that has been collected by Robert Craddock has been sent to our law firm and will be used to meet our goals as I just mentioned. There is no other agenda but to achieve these goals and do whatever possible to get Zeek Rewards clear of all accusations and get the company back in business as we all know that Zeek Rewards was wrongly shut down by an agency that not only should have no authority over it, but also who did not understand the entire business model before they acted on an emergency injunction shutting Zeek Rewards down.
Zeek through Paul Burkes and their legal counsel admitted to the facts alleged, to with, it was all a big ponzi scheme. That train has left the station and YOU, or any affiliate for that matter have no standing to dispute the actions the court has already decided.


Here is what need from all of you...Please stop listening to the negative naysayers and doomsday "talking heads" that obviously have no idea what the facts are and are only trying to drive up traffic to their sites by preying on this hot new topic. Please be patient in knowing that whenever we are dealing with the court system, this process takes time. Please stop emailing me asking about the progress of our fight or if I know any new information or when Zeek will be back up as all you are doing is hindering the progress of what we are trying to do. Information will be posted as we can post it and I will not post anymore "insider information" as it is only taken by others as more ammunition for them to attack us and fuel more drama. The last thing we want is to damage the positive progress that we are seeing moving forward with our law suit.
I'm calling you out, and I don't have a website. I'm not making a damn dime and I'm not trying to attract suckers to the next big passive income scam or pay my lawyers either. I'm calling you names and saying you're a lying scumbag because, well, you're a lying scumbag. Learn to adjust to that reality.


In other updates...If you have not already, please make your account at zteambiz.net. Robert has been fixing the problem with people requesting their passwords to their email and not receiving them. If this is the case, please give it some time to be fixed and try again later. Those wanting to still donate can do so once logged into the site. On Wednesday the 12th of September the Zteambiz.net site was updated so if you used the link to signup, the next page you would view was your information with the temp password, due to the massive amount of signups now we are having issues getting the emails out and had to go to this plan. if you sent in spread sheets with names we are backloged in getting the data in the correct format to upload it and if you can just go to the site and signup now. when we get the data uploaded it will not generate a second record, if the system sees you have allready signed up.
Get that infom in, we've developed quite a little side cashflow plan selling a list of known gullible suckers, you don't need to send money, we'll just sell your name!

People that have already made their donations through PayPal need not to worry as your funds have already been sent directly to the law firm and you do not need to worry. Plus your name has already been recorded into the protected group of affiliates being represented by our law suit. The retainer for the law firm has already been met and no funds are needed at this time, but anyone still wanting to donate to the cause will be further sent to the law firm as backup funds that may be needed at a later time.
I've let friends at the IRS know about your new income source, you'd better claim every dime of it. you know PayPal sends 1099s now, don't you?


Some people have been receiving generic emails from the receiver...please disregard as it is nothing important.
Well, it's important and it's true, so we'd still like you to disregard it.

Robert has also updated the site zteambiz.net in the latest news section with new information as of today. Watch this latest news section for information as it can be shared by Robert.
We'll make up new lies and try to find more suckers anyway we can. Stay tuned!

As you are hearing the bogus reports being posted around the Internet, please do me and all of us a favor and respond back to these people in defense of what we are doing. We are only as strong as us willing to stand up for what we believe. So please let these "talking heads" know your thoughts and they will also see when the details come out through the court and everything is made public. This will be the proof that will not only make them look like fools, but will maybe result in them not having a following of people anymore. That will be a very tough lesson for them to learn and will teach them a lesson in reporting what is real and not posting lies simply to get traffic to their websites.
I don't have a website Sparky, I'm just disgusted by the very thought of you. Not only am I doing this for free, I spend my own money on sites that shine the light on your little scam.

I wish you all the best and God Bless,
God Bless? Who the phuck are you kidding. I'm an atheist and that offends me. Imagine what a real devout person might think?


Dave Kettner
The Josheph Goebbels of Poinzi Schemes
Remember, if you tell a big enough lie enough times, some people will believe it

I wrote a piece about Vultures Preying On Zeek Members for our website. It is under our Warning link, and it is my take on the rush of other MLM and Ponzi promoters to get Zeek members into their programs, but also the pathetic attempt of the Gang of 12 to get them to pay for their legal fees.

Since I do have a website, you can bet your bottom dollar I want traffic to my site so they can get educated about what the Gang of 12 are really up too. Just as I have been doing it on the forums, and will continue to do so.

Well, here it is Friday afternoon and still no update from the lawsuit that was supposed to be filed this week. Wonder what the excuse will be this time for not doing it? Now what would really be interesting is if the "new" law firm found out what they were really doing and fired them too! One can hope.

Of course Dwight and Todd could file it pro se since they were so successful with their ASD filing.

Troy has anew video and the writeup says:

Former Rex Venture Group LLC. Communication Director Clifton Jolly speaks to SEC and Corporate Attorney Travis Wilson, who shares he has talked to a former Zeek Rewards affiliates who has raised over $100,000 dollars to STOP the SEC from clawing back profits earned. Mr. Wilson confirms what other respected attorneys such as Kevin Thompson and Jordan Maglich hare already reported.

It's funny how these attorneys and reporters get credit when Zeek critics here who have been chasing Ponzi's and other frauds for years make these same observations practically in real-time as they happen and get little credit.

The attorneys and reporters come out days or weeks later with their analysis backed back their professional credentials. If I were a reporter, I'd just read this website and PatrickPretty, as you guys do all the heavy duty analysis. I'd just parse your data, write my article, and get all the credit.

Mitch, you have to realize to MLMers, "reputation" is worth more than logical analysis. After all, MLM sells through "reputation" of individuals. How else would you push stuff that often cost more, with dubious worth, onto people? You only do it to the people who know you! :D

(Did you see Troy's response to my... insinuations?)

I was a little busy for the last day or so and didn't have time to keep up with the Disner/Kettner/Craddock crock of news updates.

First, yesterday's fairly tepid little missive:

September 14, 2012


Greetings Good People, today has been filled with chasing down the status of the attorneys, but it has come to my attention that there is a phony letter circulating out there reporting to have come from Ken Bell, if anyone has an actual email that states the original location the email came from, leading you to believe it was from the receiver please contact me, as I want to get the header information from the email. When someone impersonates someone like this, we need to do what we can to track down the source and turn it over to law enforcement. It is sad but, in this day and age, there are people that derive a sick pleasure from tormenting you with false and misleading information trying to confuse you, and if we can police this abuse, we can make this process much smother for you.


My email is legalboards@gmail.com and I would welcome that direct message so I can help you, send me the header information, to track down the person doing this.


On a brighter note, I still very encouraged and know we just need to give the attorneys the time and space to represent the facts to the receiver, and the court. I feel confident once that has happen we will see a positive conclusion to this nightmare we are all trying to wake up from.


Again we will be posting new information in the backend of Zteambiz.net and starting today we will be posting on Zteambiz.com only that we have updated in your backend area of Zteambiz.net

Robert

Now this stops just short of being a clever move. Robert never directly states that the e-mail from Ken Bell is fraudulent but if you wanted to think it is, well Mr. Craddock did offer some encouragement for that notion. Of course there's a PDF copy of that e-mail on the receiver's website but hey, plausible dependability, maybe Robert was talking about a different e-mail. All impression, no substance, the Farce is strong in this one.

On to today's update.

Warning: Moving Goal Posts Alert.

One week ago (to the day) a new law firm had been retained to replace the one that all the busy-body donors who couldn't follow directions chased away. Perhaps Robert should institute Dawn's toilet paper roll test to screen new donors. The new firm had been in contact with the SEC who confided in them that they (the SEC) were all incompetent boobs. They (the new law firm) were just chomping at the bit to file something or another with the court on Monday or Tuesday. Wednesday came and it all looked good for the end of the week. Well it's important to remember that it is the end of the week and nothing has been filed so the first words out of Robert's mouth are:

September 15, 2012


Greetings good people; we have not heard anything from our attorney. Yesterday I received many emails from fellow Zeekers, regarding statements from the receiver and, I like you, was shocked and viewed it as their attempt to say, there is no need to be represented by counsel. Well, as we all know we live in America, and for the fellow Zeekers that live outside of America this is not the behavior the world has come to expect from this country and its legal system, simply we all want to get the honest facts and it would appear that the receiver would rather all of us just roll over and take it.


I can assure you that our team, which has come together, is committed to questioning everything that the SEC and the Receivers are alleging, through competent and qualified legal counsel. We can only assume the prospect of our large group, now questioning every step the receiver has taken is a basis for great concern and it should. Naïve, and uninformed people have under estimated the passion of this group, because as a group, we recognized what a great business opportunity Zeek Rewards was, and speaking for myself I won’t roll over without a fight, and will do everything in my power to see the steps taken by the SEC and Receivers come under the strongest scrutiny.


As most of us know, to be appointed as a receiver is a profitable job, and some would call it legalized stealing. The court comes in and says it wants to protect everyone, but did you ever hear any one complain that they did not make money with Zeek Rewards, has the goverment produced anyone, that asked the goverment to stepin because Rex Venture Group LLC., was not paying its bills? Well I sure did not hear it, nor have I seen any filings regarding or supporting that conclusion.


People, we are in the fight of our lives and financial future. Now, as we have all come together to hold the government accountable, in a court of law, and if needed, in the media, we are secure in the quality of the law firm we have secured to represent us.


As I receive emails referencing the people wanting to post fraudulent and defaming comments that were not associated with Zeek Rewards, simply to mold and alter your thinking, please keep in mind, there was no investment, Zeekler was a penny auction and we all bought bids. We do not have a mountain of money sitting there to be distributed to us, “WE BOUGHT BIDS”, and we did this because we understood the Zeek Rewards business model, other people do not, and try to slam it with no knowledge, of how the system worked.


As of 4 weeks ago, your leaders came together to fight what we believe to be an unlawful action. People ask how do we prove this when it appears the government is making the rules as we go, simple we secure competent legal counsel and position ourselves to turn the spot light on the individuals that have stolen our present and future financial dreams and hopes. “And that is just what we have done”
Have you ever wondered how do the Receiver, Lawyers and accountants get paid?


The Receiver, lawyers and accountants are paid an hourly fee by the Court from the funds collected. The Receiver must file an application with the Court and the Court will only pay the Receiver a reasonable fee based on the services rendered and the results obtained. In many cases, Receivers are unsuccessful in collecting any funds. Thus, to a certain extent, the Receiver and his professionals work on a "contingency" basis.


This is great job if you can get it and most times it comes from political favors, so that leads me to one last thing, we have a very important date coming up the first Tuesday of November. You can’t complain if you don’t vote, so I urge everyone to allow us the time to work with the attorneys to hold the government accountable and you can help us by going to the polls in November and ask yourself if you are better off now than 4 years ago, because winning this battle is not the end. We need to locate lawmakers and open their eyes to what is happening and if they do not see a problem you need to decide if that person is someone you want as your representative in Washington.


Robert

I got back into town a little over an hour ago, there's too much grade A bull flop there for me to sift through at the moment. But it does warm my heart to think that Mr. Kennith Bell, the man who's professional reputation Robert is so busy impugning, is the same man in charge the clawbacks of Robert, Dave and Todd's Zeek "earnings."

Originally Posted by Mitch McDeere

Troy has anew video and the writeup says:



It's funny how these attorneys and reporters get credit when Zeek critics here who have been chasing Ponzi's and other frauds for years make these same observations practically in real-time as they happen and get little credit.

The attorneys and reporters come out days or weeks later with their analysis backed back their professional credentials. If I were a reporter, I'd just read this website and PatrickPretty, as you guys do all the heavy duty analysis. I'd just parse your data, write my article, and get all the credit.

I'll lay odds that what he's posted is pretty much another lie. shocking.

"Crawl Backs," I keep seeing this term and wonder what it's supposed to mean. I think it indicates that you are getting your ass kicked trying to do something new and have to crawl back to what you had to do before. Why might I think this?

Ted Nuyten owns the Business for Home website and as mentioned above he made a post critical of zTeamBiz, Robert Craddock's website and fund raising effort. Well, when someone sees something they feel is untruthful or inaccurate posted about them on a public forum they can (as they are invited to do here) sign up for a free posting account and explain their side of the story. Introduce facts supporting their arguments or simply correct any errors in the opinions expressed against them. Or, if they are unwilling to do any of those things they can just try to get the website saying the things they can't refute taken offline. And if you're Robbert Craddock you lack the testicular fortitude to confront your critics or even enter into an open dialog with your supporters. The degree to which Robert is forced to control his message is dictated both by the lack of factual support for his position and unwillingness to be subject to questions.

So when Mr. Nuyten calls him into question Robert Craddock wants Mr. nuyten silenced. From the second link above:

Update: 14 September 2012 Robert Craddock has send a request to my provider, in an attempt to block my Freedom of Speech.

September 14, 2012 Regarding: BusinessforHome.org

There is potential situation that I’m asking for your assistance on. My name is Robert Craddock I’m the owner of Zteambiz.com and .net, and I’m in the middle of assisting a large group of individuals around the world retain legal counsel for potential crawl back action by the Securities and Exchange Commission here in the United States.



As we move forward there are several groups that want to capitalize and attract traffic to their site for financial gain. To accomplish this they are engaged in cyber harassment on the web directed at me. Here in the state of Florida this type of activity is a crime, as I’m sure it is in other locations around the globe.



I’m sure you have procedures against this type of action and follow a code of conduct by ICAN and Arin. As we plan on taking additional action against this group and others for their conduct, I would request the following:



One: park the domain BusinessforHome.org



Two: investigate the owner of the domain to see if the Whois is correct as I believe the whois information is incorrect and the owner of the domain is a US citizen. We intend to file an action against this person in the state of Florida as this is where I reside.

The following is an image of how this individual is trying to portray me. (Image above: – TN)

Robert Craddock
1704 Baron Court
Port Orange, FL 32128
[IMG]chrome://skype_ff_extension/skin/numbers_button_skype_logo.png[/IMG]386-405-0855 Cell
legalboards@gmail.com

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My answer:
Business For Home.org is a foundation under Dutch law, Ted Nuyten is the founder and chairman. If you want to sue me in The Netherlands, I will defend my legal rights and freedom of speech.
My contact details are all over this website. In case you can not find it: Ted Nuyten, Linge 88, 2105 WG, The Netherlands.

Silly, sad and almost pathetic job Mr. Robert Craddock, but we've come to expect no better from you.

Originally Posted by Robber Craddock

Greetings good people; we have not heard anything from our attorney. Yesterday I received many emails from fellow Zeekers, regarding statements from the receiver and, I like you, was shocked and viewed it as their attempt to say, there is no need to be represented by counsel.

Don't ya just love the fact Robber keeps on glossing over the fact, not only is there no NEED to be represented by counsel, there is absolutely no RIGHT to interfere in a civil matter in which he has no standing.

He's not involved.

The members are not involved.

None of them have any RIGHTS in this matter, any more than they have the "right" to interfere in anyone elses' civil action.

"Crawl Backs," I keep seeing this term and wonder what it's supposed to mean.

I think perhaps Robber Craddock is confusing "crawl backs" which is what cockroaches do when they're exposed to the light of day and "claw backs" which is what receivers do to cockroaches which are exposed to the light of day.

I'll leave it up to readers to decide into which category Mr Craddock fits.