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It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!
Hey, Robert, have we frightened them enough yet ???
Let's really twist the knife, shall we ??
The Zteambiz let's-try-and-frighten-the=c**p-out-of-the-members web page
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Oh, and Glim? Wrote the blogpost already
A MLM Skeptic: Can you have a scam feed off another scam? Absolutely.
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Three things.
AwesomeScreenshot for Chrome (even lets you add arrows, highlight boxes, text labels, etc.)
Irfanview (free at irfanview.com) for scaling resizing
Imgur.com best image uploading EVER. you don't even need an account (though having one means your stuff's saved for a lot longer)
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Last edited by littleroundman; 08-28-2012 at 03:06 AM.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Skeptic, LRM, skeptic!
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Posted the pix to Troy's website in a comment. We'll see how Mr. Craddock answers THAT one.
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Wonder what would happen if NxPay adopted the apparent Robert Craddock theory that there's no such thing as Fair Use and sued ZTeamBiz for copyright/trademark infringement for reproducing its logo?
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Like ASD, the Zeek case is providing a laboratory. Let's call it the "What Not To Do" laboratory.
Let's say, for example, that you're the CEO of Zeek and that a CID was issued to your company on July 6 by the North Carolina Attorney General.
Let's further say that your enterprise has former ASD members all over the place -- and that one of them is Todd Disner, who is suing the government and already is clashing (or has clashed) with federal prosecutors in TWO districts. Beyond that, let's say Todd Disner is one of your biggest rainmakers.
As CEO, would you permit Robert Craddock to try to take down K. Chang's Zeek Hub AFTER your company already has suffered the public embarrassment of observing a TV station take down a video report that you were linking to on your company Blog because the report suggested your enterprise was "legal?"
And would you permit this takedown bid after the Attorney General felt sufficiently moved to issue a public statement about "concerns" about your company?
And would you authorize the K. Chang takedown bid AFTER your affiliates were on the TV station's Blog in full Stepfordian splendor suggesting that the SEC and FTC had vetted Zeek and that the program was "ABSOLUTELY" legal?
And if you were a CEO who understood ANY of the context of the ASD case -- a case in which the U.S. Secret Service intervened because of a threat to the U.S. financial infrastructure and called ASD a "criminal enterprise" -- would you then authorize a takedown bid?
I mean, AFTER the ASD chieftan was accused of racketeering and AFTER the ASD follow-up scam known as AdViewGlobal threatened critics with copyright-infringement lawsuits and even to report its own members to their ISPs in a bizarre bid to contain "negative" information about the AVG scam?
Finally, if you were the Zeek pope and knew that some of the ASD-related proceeds were in a Georgia bank that later failed, would you then authorize a Blog post that attacked North Carolina credit unions and suggested that "all" of the Zeek criticism that was posted online was unfair? And would you then issue a warning to affiliates who did not toe the company line?
Good grief. As LRM points out, even ZTeamBiz now is issuing warnings.
Parts of this remind me of AVG, which bizarrely announced it has solved its banking crisis through an offshore facilitator on the same day the President of the United States announced a crackdown on offshore fraud. Like Zeek, AVG also used "VIP" as part of its nomenclature -- this after Bowdoin purportedly was exploring the "auction" business in 2008.
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Just a quick shout out to Forbes.com for some very good coverage of the Zeek debacle. Here's yesterdays coverage of Ken Bell's press confrence:
Link to the rest of the article.Zeek Receiver Addresses Media; Up To Two Million Victims, 'Herculean' Effort Ahead
Ken Bell, the court-appointed receiver for Zeek Rewards, participated in a conference call today with various members of the media in an effort to provide an update since Zeek’s unraveling ten days ago. In a conversation that included prepared remarks and a question-and-answer session, Mr. Bell addressed the status of his investigation, as well as a look into his priorities for the near future.
Mr. Bell started the conference by opining that the number of potential victims was likely more than previously expected, and estimated that there could be nearly 2 million affected. Since his appointment, Mr. Bell has received 1000′s of investor phone calls and emails, many providing heart-breaking stories about their current situation. He also disclosed that the $600 million thought to be lost is also likely to be revised upwards as the investigation continues. The number of victims likely made the scheme “one of the largest schemes to go into receivership,” according to Mr. Bell. “Terabytes” of financial information were also recovered from Zeek’s offices, which must be analyzed in order to determine investor losses.
"Terabytes"? That can in no way be good news for the winners in the Zeek game and one person who agrees with me is Dave Kettner. In an urgent update in addition to his normal daily fundraising e-mail Dave says:
Yea Dave and Todd, you WILL be returning all your ponzi winnings to help compensate the people who lost money in Zeek. So kick your lawsuit fundraising effort into high gear, you'll need that money for daily expenses.Do your research and you will see that as has been the case from the very beginning with the SEC, none of this seems right.
Well, so much for cashier's checks that had not been "cashed" yet being cancelled. Mr. Bell considers that his money to "lock down".
"Mr. Bell indicated that all cashier’s checks in his possession would be considered assets of Zeek Rewards and would be deposited and added to the pool of funds currently being amassed for victims."
So, let me get this straight: The guy that just sent his money in who's cashier's check is getting "locked down" isn't considered a victim.
But, someone sent in money a year ago. They are considered a victim, so the guy that sent in money two weeks ago gets his check cashed to pay the guy that sent in money a year ago.
Oh wait, that sounds like a Ponzi scheme to me. Someone should notify the SEC that Mr. Bell is running the receivership like a Ponzi scheme.
And what about those wonderful people who have decided to "jump on the band wagon" and file suit against Paul Burks: (ummm, sorry, not going to happen)
"any and all litigation brought against Zeek or its subsidiaries would be stayed and prevented from moving forward"
Zeek Receiver Addresses Media; Up To Two Million Victims, 'Herculean' Effort Ahead - Forbes.
It appears as though there is only ONE HOPE of a positive outcome for all Zeek people and that is Zeek Rewards Affiliates united against what is believed to be Unlawful action by the SEC » Let.
This is important to read and share with anyone you know who received "net gains" from Zeek.
Up Next For ZeekRewards Ponzi Scheme Victims...Clawbacks? - Forbes.
"it is almost certain that they will be the target of “clawback” lawsuits seeking the return of those profits"
“it would typically be inequitable to leave net winners from Ponzi schemes with their profits"
"By recovering these “false profits” from net winners, the receiver is able to increase the total amount of assets available for distribution."
"victims with nominal amounts of gains may escape prosecution due to the cost of litigation, investors with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in gains may not be so lucky"
I would think that anyone who profited from Zeek should certainly take an active role in any litigation to prove the SEC's allegations to be incorrect - rather than just running to the next BIG DEAL.
Zeek Rewards Affiliates united against what is believed to be Unlawful action by the SEC » Let
So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.
Open up your heart...
Welcome to RealScam.com.
Here’s an interesting side news… Burks apparently called the BBB to have them remove Rex and the rest from their listing.
Zeek Rewards, Zeekler: Creator Refuses to Comment | digtriad.comHundreds of people have also complained to the Better Business Bureau. The BBB told News 2 Paul Burks emailed the agency and asked for his name to be removed the Zeek Rewards company listing.
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The spin these clowns try to use is irritating.Well, so much for cashier's checks that had not been "cashed" yet being cancelled. Mr. Bell considers that his money to "lock down".
"Mr. Bell indicated that all cashier’s checks in his possession would be considered assets of Zeek Rewards and would be deposited and added to the pool of funds currently being amassed for victims."
So, let me get this straight: The guy that just sent his money in who's cashier's check is getting "locked down" isn't considered a victim.
But, someone sent in money a year ago. They are considered a victim, so the guy that sent in money two weeks ago gets his check cashed to pay the guy that sent in money a year ago.
Oh wait, that sounds like a Ponzi scheme to me. Someone should notify the SEC that Mr. Bell is running the receivership like a Ponzi scheme.
Even though I do pity the people who were getting in on the tail end and simply had the misfortune of sending checks that hadn't cleared yet, once you send that money, it's not yours anymore.
Of course, in an ideal world the receiver could simply let the members that sent those checks in put a stop payment on them. But, in theory, couldn't the members sending money in actually already be in profit from a previoius investment in bids and or via recruiting? After all, some people do start small to test the waters and then buy in bigger.
Although I think that scenario might be rare, it seems like a logical possibility and one reason for the receiver not to permit stop payments.
Just compiled a new Q&A for Zeekheads who'll still see reason:
Zeek Rewards Recovery Q&A, all sourced from news reports and experts
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That's the thing, though.Originally Posted by surfer
It's not up to the receiver.
It's established practice following a court ordered freeze, such as that applied in the Zeek case.
The Zeeklers themselves were the ones advocating the cancelling of cheques.
There have been a number of posts on the various forums, including REALSCAM.com and BEHIND MLM.com warning people the practice is illegal and subject to reversal.
Cashiers' cheques are NOT the property of the originator once they've entered the system and cheques in transit ARE the property of the receiver once they've entered the system.
It's nothing new and not specific to Zeek, it's called "that's what happens"
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
This is a Q&A of frequently asked questions regarding the effort surrounding efforts to recover money from the Zeek scam, the largest Ponzi scam to hit the US regarding number of victims.
The Q&A list was compiled by REALSCAM.com member kschang and can be seen in its' original form on his excellent KS CHANG HUBPAGES
All court Documents related to SEC vs. Zeek can be found HERE
PatrickPretty.com update on Zeek asset discovery can be found HERE
ZeekRewards Receivership FAQ can be found here: HERE
Ponzi expert Jordan Maglich explains clawbacks HERE
Last edited by littleroundman; 08-29-2012 at 09:47 AM.
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Thanks to kschang for that superb summary of the vital information!
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Here ya go, Zeeklers, what Todd Disner wants you to protect for him:
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Gregg just penned an excellent editorial over on PPBlog.
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Thanks for the plug. I just wish I had the following of Troy Dooley.
I can see how I don't though. Troy devotes himself full time to pimping people who are nice to him and I suspect pay him to say pretty things and ignore the less attractive ones. He has spent a lot of time learning things on the internet. Me? I just wasted 16 years in college getting a doctorate in business, a decade or so practicing forensic accounting and about as much time running a real business that has a product, makes a profit and doesn't pay affiliates to build downlines. ( Full disclosure: I sold my interest in that business and am a paid part time kind of consultant, in addition I work full time for a Fortune 500 company that makes cars and didn't get a bailout)
I am even further of a nothing. :D My degree is in engineering, though I work mainly in IT and management nowadays. :D
I'm writing an essay / article on psychology of Ponzi victimhood. You'll see it on... 9/1 on my blog.
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