Thread: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !

Originally Posted by GlimDropper

But Troy expressed cation that Rex Ventures might consider a civil suit against Mr. Schroeder.

I think we all know the world of HYIP ponzis is, by necessity, full of froth and bubbles.

Having said that, some things are just so outrageously over-the-top nonsense, ridiculing them is the only option.

A ponzi and its' management inside a courtroom voluntarily ???

Never gonna happen.

C'mon, Mr Dooly, lift your game.

You can do better than that.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Hmmn, is Mr Dooly the "go to" guy and official mouthpiece for Zeek Rewards now ??



http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4836795&postcount=854

He has to earn his pay somehow. Why do you think clem doesn't say anything.

I think the problem here is Troy Dooly may not even REALIZE he's taking Zeek's side in everything now he's known the owners for so long (what, 6 months at most?)

What I really find interesting is Dooly had a story about how he had egg on his face when he ASSUMED that Randy moved from Agel to Monavie for the money, and Randy corrected him.

Yet somehow he didn't realize he just did it AGAIN... He *assumed* that this pronouncement by Randy *had* to with the two "defected" affiliates.

He's so blind, he cited a blind man's story, but doesn't realize he himself is blind.

Here ya go, guys.

"Compliance issues, what compliance issues" aka "scammers scamming scammers" aka "nudge, nudge, wink, wink of course it's a legit business"

zMembers are talking 2 weeks ago #192

Seb [Freeway2Wealth.com] ( Moderator ) OFFLINE Moderator Posts: 120 Karma: 1

This thread is for all the zMembers. For the record, I provide under this name a service helping you post your daily ads to a website which name begins with a Z - the full name cannot be mentioned here for compliance issues but if you are in it you probably know what I am talking about. The details can be found here www.freeway2wealth.com/zmember (a short FAQ can be found below, post #196) I am mainly expecting comments from the existing zMembers here, but if you have questions, feel free to ask! Seb.

Master of Freeway2Wealth mobile - Home Last Edit: 1 day, 17 hours ago by Seb [Freeway2Wealth.com]. Reply Quote

zMembers FAQ 1 week, 6 days ago #196

Seb [Freeway2Wealth.com] ( Moderator ) OFFLINE Moderator Posts: 120 Karma: 1

Here are a few questions you may be asking yourself: How do I know your service is working? You will be receiving an e-mail after each submission, so, twice a day. Please check the content of this e-mail for a confirmation that the submission was successful. What if I don't receive this e-mail? Check your spam folder. Make sure contact [at] freeway2wealth [dot] com is in your white list. If you suspect your ads are not being placed, check your account and make sure you filled your details correctly. If after all this you still think something is wrong, contact me, I have logs of all the submissions. When do you submit my ad? The hours vary. The first submission is made between 6am and 9am UTC, the second one between 4pm and 7pm UTC. With a 15 - 20 minutes margin. What do you do with my zPass? My team will submit your ads on your behalf each day, and that's it, nothing more. How do I know you are genuine and won't rip me off? Of course, trust is a big issue here. Look in the footer of this website, you will find my complete business address on the second line, including my registration number (called SIRET), which you can verify here: avis-situation-sirene.insee.fr/avisitu/jsp/avis.jsp - simply enter the first 9 digits of my registration number in that form and you'll see it's official. You can even click on the "Avis de situation" button to get an official statement. So as you can see, I'm not hiding or using tricks. Can I talk with you directly? You can. My Skype user name is OldLodgeSkins. You will also find an e-mail contact form here if you prefer this method. When contacting me in private, you may use French, English or Spanish. How do I get started? See this page: www.freeway2wealth.com/zmember

Master of Freeway2Wealth mobile - Home Last Edit: 1 day, 20 hours ago by Seb [Freeway2Wealth.com].

http://www.freeway2wealth.com/component/kunena/4-Comments/192-zMembers-are-talking?Itemid=0#196

P.S. ssshhhhhh, don't let "Z" know what we're up to.

P.S.S. Any regulators who are watching, by "Z" we don't mean Zeek Rewards, no, no, no, we mean err, umm ZORRO.

Hah, that's nothing. Remember that "lawsuit" some other ad company sued ZeekRewards member mentioned on PatrickPretty.com?

DEVELOPING STORY: New Mystery Emerges: North Carolina/Nevada Entity ZeekRewards.com Was Served With California Cyberpiracy, Infringement And Unfair Competition Lawsuit In Flushing, N.Y.

If you read through the judgment, you'll see that the service mentioned "posting ads for Zeek" for only $4 a month!

choke ** splutter ** guffaw ** extreme hilarity

ibjulieb - now THAT'S what I call a good, ol' fashioned shill

Looks like we have BehindMLM with two articles on page 1 of Google now. Your Google results will vary depending on where you are querying from. On some Google search nodes, there is only 1 BehindMLM article on page 1 but it is the #2 link above the fold and all the YouTube videos.

PatrickPretty links are rising as well and most are on the top of page 2.

Note you'll get different results depending on if you have advanced search look-ahead enabled or history tracking enabled.

Still need to get realscam up from page 5 to page 1, as well as Kasey's analysis on Zeek. Post-Penguin, ranking Hubpages and any of the Demand Media sites is darn hard.

I found a rather limited cache of recent calls, I'd link to them but fear that might affect their long term availability. But listening to a few of the calls I wonder if it's really some sort of technical glitch keeping ZR from posting links, maybe they just realize how boring the calls are. It almost doesn't matter if I doubt the veracity of what someone like Dawn says, she's an engaging and charismatic speaker. Alex on the other hand could be reading a list of Powerball Lottery numbers and in fact be telling me I've won and his delivery is so bland and non committal I 'd have a hard time paying attention.

One possible exception are the Monday Morning Momentum calls. I used to be a deeply religious person so I know what a sermon sounds like and those calls are preaching to the choir. I need to see what I can do to allow embedded MP3 files on this site but I wont do that tonight. For the moment (if I did this right) I give you last Monday's (7/16/12) call:

Momentum-Monday-call-7_16_12.mp3.mp3

The 7/18 Leadership call (for those who doubted me about Alex's presentation skills):

zrleadership-cc-071812.mp3

And if after listening to that one, if you thought Alex was the only problem, I give you the next call:

zrleadership-cc-071912.mp3

And an oldie but a goodie, the August 4th call from last year which was taken offline after someone (cough) mentioned that it was sorta incriminating and hey, if they want to hide a call it's generally worth listening to:

QAZeekEhcemts_call_110804.mp3

Hey, Dan and all the Zeek Geeks together can't figure out how to post the calls their affiliates are eager to listen to so your friends here at RealScam are just stepping up to fill in for them.

A perfect example of ZR's customer service in action. An affiliate asks a simple, honest and direct question about the new mandatory marketing program and none other than Alex de Brantes replies to the topic. But in classic ZR sytle he tells folks to read what is posted on ZeekRewards News and even though he himself wrote the post, he didn't seem to grasp that the ZR News posts didn't answer the question he was being asked. This is "affiliate support" ZR style:

Alberto Simoni 15 hours ago
$ 29.95 for us residents or for all affiliates ? Clear and sharp answer




I talk in the name of more than 1000 serious italian affiliates and i think this topic is interesting for all people not us residents

I just read today the last post on zeekrewardsnews, where you explained us that the famous compliance test is only for us residents.

But you never told us if we have to pay the annual fee for the new web site

Be clear, sharp and direct, have we pay the annual fee of 29.95 dollars also if we have not worry about the test, i mean this fee is only for us residents or for all worldwide affiliates. ?

it is simple, answer us !!!

Thanks
Alberto Simoni
a proud zeekrewards affiliate
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• EMPLOYEE I’m rocking
  
  
  
  
  Alex de Brantes (Employee) 9 hours ago
  Hi Alberto,
  
  The answer to your question is right here http://zeekrewardsnews.com/2012/07/ze...

• EMPLOYEE I’m rocking
  
  Alex de Brantes (Employee) 9 hours ago
  Hi Alberto,
  
  The answer to your question is right here http://zeekrewardsnews.com/2012/07/ze...
  
  good answer!
  
  • Alberto Simoni 5 hours ago
    Hey Alex, i read many times that post on zeekrewardsnews and for this reason i asked you that. I talk to the name of more than 1000 italian affiliates and we are not stupid. In that post admin wrote that we have not to worry about the compliace test but NOTHING about the cost ( new cost ) of the new web site for us that are not us residents
    
    So again answe rme, thanks !!
  
  
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  Alfredo Rodrigues 5 hours ago
  Hi Alberto
  I understand Alberto, as we, Portuguese have the same question.
  And the question is: Are we mandated to buy the Yougetpaidforadvertise package?
  We know that we do not need to buy the compliance course, but, do we need to pay for the yougetpaidforadertise promoting system?
  Notice that most of non-US people don ́t speak English, so, this promoting system is basically useless for us...
  So, do we or do we not have to pay for the YGPTA system?
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  good answer!
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  Joe8675309 4 hours ago
  First of all, thank you for all you do Alex.
  
  But you were given a simple and direct question and you did not answer it. You posted a link to the ZR News post which also did not answer the question.
  
  Slow pay, technical glitches everything else like that are things the field affiliates are more than willing to ride out for this great income opportunity. The thing that makes us tear our hair out is the terrible communications skills displayed by this company.
  
  We know non US affiliates are not required to take the compliance course. Again, a simple and direct question:
  
  Are non US affiliates going to be required to pay $29 a year for the advertising package? And will they receive any sort of discount if neither they nor their potential sign ups speak English?
  
  Thanks again Alex.
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  raespennies 4 hours ago
  I believe that you do, or you will not qualify for the Daily RPP?
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  good answer!
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  Tamas Vincze 3 hours ago
  I can more than agree with the previous questions and comments. I am participating from Hungary and a lot of affiliates are distributing different messages on how to interpret this news.
  
  The only solution to this confusion is a real simple answer to this question:
  
  Do non-US affiliate need to purchase the YGPTA marketing package with the yearly fee or not? If not, then why do we still have the information of this option available when we register non-US affiliates? (This is confusing).
  
  Thanks for the great business!
  Tamas
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  good answer!
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  Joe8675309 1 hour ago
  I'm sorry for the bump but this is a very significant issue for many non English speaking ZR affiliates. I'm first generation American with both feet planted firmly on my new native soil but my roots go back to the home of my parents.
  
  If the YGPTA marketing package is not available in an affiliates native language and the language of the people they are sharing this opportunity, the marketing package is worthless to them.
  
  I honestly feel that making them pay $30 a year for something that does them no good at all is unfair. I don't go to bars often but the last time I did I spent more than $30 so why does this matter? It matters because there are a LOT of countries where $30 is a very significant sum of money.
  
  I really wish we could get a simple and final answer here. Please.
  
  Are non US ZR affiliates going to be required to pay for the marketing package even if the package is not available in their native languages? If they are it's wrong.
  
  Sorry for the anger but all we need is an answer. Thank you.
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  qiwoman a minute ago
  I have nearly 15k affiliates from Pakistan in my downline organization what do they have to do because most of them are very poor and struggling and even 20 dollars to upgrade is a lot of money for them plus many don't speak that good English. Please help us what do non U.S citizens have to do exactly? Thanks for your kind cooperation in advance as the blog post is a little unclear.

Folks, here's the deal. You could join ZR as a free member and jump through all the hoops and as the person who started this thread said, you could "get $3k a month starting as a free member" and with only recycling your points back into the system to pay your fees. But as time goes on all those free members who didn't get out of pocket were going to start cashing out and doing so in real money.

But ~most~ of them (statistically speaking) who fall into this category will be either unwilling or unable to pony up the dough for the new marketing package so ZR is wiping out a lot of potentially paid but yet unpaying overhead and splitting a boat load of cash with O.H. Brown all at the same time. Screw the second world's affiliates, they cost more than they contributed and if they don't want to pay for a video marketing system in a language neither they nor their potential recruits understand, be gone with them.

Why, this is just Slovenia stage two.

Technically you can ONLY market Zeek in ENGLISH, not in any other language. This is a requirement stated SOMEWHERE.

So basically, they are doing an effective ban of all non-US affiliates, albeit not phrased as such.

I think Alex (who's Dawn's fiancee, BTW) is trying to pull a Gene Roddenberry: invent an explanation, and hoping the askers will be satisfied.

EDIT: Someone should post a reply: "Alex, if you don't know, why don't you just go ask Dawn or Paul or whoever's in charge?"

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Ever noticed the Star Trek episodes have stardates that jumps back and forth, instead of always progressing? (original, that is). Once fans asked Gene Roddenberry, the creator, why that is so. Instead of just telling the fans the episodes were aired out of order, he created the first technobabble:

In answering these questions, I came up with the statement that "this time system adjusts for shifts in relative time which occur due to the vessel's speed and space warp capability. It has little relationship to Earth's time as we know it. One hour aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise at different times may equal as little as three Earth hours. The star dates specified in the log entry must be computed against the speed of the vessel, the space warp, and its position within our galaxy, in order to give a meaningful reading." Therefore star date would be one thing at one point in the galaxy and something else again at another point in the galaxy.
I'm not quite sure what I meant by that explanation, but a lot of people have indicated it makes sense. If so, I've been lucky again, and I'd just as soon forget the whole thing before I'm asked any further questions about it.

Stardate - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Someone finally gets it.

I think more and more people are starting to get what they're not going to get.

They're not going to get their money back, much less make a profit.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

I think more and more people are starting to get what they're not going to get.

They're not going to get their money back, much less make a profit.

But their upline sponsor will, for the moment at least. And as all ZR affiliates are told, the first place to ask any questions they have is that self same upline. That advice of course presupposes that their self interest is the same as yours and ignores the fact that it isn't. Your upline makes money off of you so if your question to them regards anything which affects them getting paid, just please be aware of that fact when you evaluate their advice.

There comes yet another wave of Zeek defenders, just saw a bunch on Behindlmlm

Well, I've found documentation as to why clem hasn't commented on this scam. He was really busy with the amega wand testing.

His first foray into the world of fraud:

Testing footage:

Yep, just like Andy Bowdoins' AdSurf Daily.

WHOOPS.

Well, maybe more like C.E.P.

OH DEAR

Maybe Zeek is more like Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC

DAMN

Is it possible, do you think, that being US based and in the public eye isn't really the proof of legitimacy HYIP ponzi players and promoters like to think it is ??

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Here ya go, guys.

"Compliance issues, what compliance issues" aka "scammers scamming scammers" aka "nudge, nudge, wink, wink of course it's a legit business"


http://www.freeway2wealth.com/component/kunena/4-Comments/192-zMembers-are-talking?Itemid=0#196

P.S. ssshhhhhh, don't let "Z" know what we're up to.

P.S.S. Any regulators who are watching, by "Z" we don't mean Zeek Rewards, no, no, no, we mean err, umm ZORRO.

Looks like you're calling me a scammer behind my back... Or at the very least, you're trying to make me look like a fool.

I noticed this thread only because someone clicked the link you put in there. Would it have been such an incredibly superhuman effort to tell me to my face? It's like like if I was trying to hide or if I was deleting all non-positive posts made on my website...
Not mentioning the fact that I'm not running ZR... I'm offering a service. A perfectly legit service. Some people want their ads posted and submitted for them, I do that. And then what?
As far as compliance issues are concerned... This is one of the rules of ZR so of course, I comply, why wouldn't I? I don't want to put my own account at risk and furthermore, I don't want to take any chances with the accounts of the people who are using my service. That's simply business.

I won't get into the argument to determine if ZeekRewards is a scam or not. I have my opinion, you have yours. I didn't come here for this. My point is, don't talk behind my back. If you have something to tell me, then tell me.

Seb.

I have no problem with you offering a service to help a member cheat a scam.

I do have problems with companies that willing HELP a suspect scam, but I guess it's not their business to question the legitimacy of their client. Just look at USHBB... Been doing that for YEARS. First they helped ASD, now they're helping Zeek.

Originally Posted by OldLodgeSkins

Looks like you're calling me a scammer behind my back... Or at the very least, you're trying to make me look like a fool.

I noticed this thread only because someone clicked the link you put in there. Would it have been such an incredibly superhuman effort to tell me to my face? It's like like if I was trying to hide or if I was deleting all non-positive posts made on my website...
Not mentioning the fact that I'm not running ZR... I'm offering a service. A perfectly legit service. Some people want their ads posted and submitted for them, I do that. And then what?
As far as compliance issues are concerned... This is one of the rules of ZR so of course, I comply, why wouldn't I? I don't want to put my own account at risk and furthermore, I don't want to take any chances with the accounts of the people who are using my service. That's simply business.

I won't get into the argument to determine if ZeekRewards is a scam or not. I have my opinion, you have yours. I didn't come here for this. My point is, don't talk behind my back. If you have something to tell me, then tell me.

Seb.

Actually, OldLodgeSkins,

We're not attempting to do anything "behind your back" so to speak.

Your services are being advertised on forums expressly created for the promotion of HYIP ponzi scams.

The forum from which the screen grab was taken is publicly accessible.

The fact you have chosen to remain willfully blind and ignorant with regard to the legality of an online business offering 1% or 2% DAILY interest is your decision.

Come back with genuine legal opinion clearing you of any wrongdoing, and we will gladly remove the posts in question.

* You are in a different category than the average "member" You are accepting money, putting you in a completely different category of wrongdoer.

What's more, you are continuing to provide the service AFTER being informed of the illegal nature of Zeek Rewards.

As unlikely as it may seem today, should someone in a position of authority decide to make an example of you and/or your business, without verifiable proof you at least attempted to establish the legality of what you're doing, you WILL be liable.

Your claim that you're only doing what your clients want simply doesn't hold water.

Let's not for one minute pretend that because people haven't prosecuted it means they won't be prosecuted or can't be prosecuted.

Your decision to involve yourself in the online fraud business is yours to make, HOWEVER, that does not negate our right or ability to point out the fact you're doing so.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Actually, OldLodgeSkins,

We're not attempting to do anything "behind your back" so to speak.

Your services are being advertised on forums expressly created for the promotion of HYIP ponzi scams.

The forum from which the screen grab was taken is publicly accessible.

Actually, that particular forum is mine... And everything on that site is copyrighted @ me. You have no permission of reproducing it. But that's not really the question.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

The fact you have chosen to remain willfully blind and ignorant with regard to the legality of an online business offering 1% or 2% DAILY interest is your decision.

Actually, you are the ones pretending ZR is a scam, not me. I didn't come here to enter this debate, either. I just don't share your opinion. Which is my right.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Come back with genuine legal opinion clearing you of any wrongdoing, and we will gladly remove the posts in question.

Firstly, I'm not even asking you to remove anything...
As I said previously when people ask openly I accept criticism and I reply to it.

Secondly, I'm no lawyer. So unless I hire one, any "legal opinion" on my part - or on yours for that matter - won't change anything and probably wouldn't bear much weight...

Originally Posted by littleroundman

* You are in a different category than the average "member" You are accepting money, putting you in a completely different category of wrongdoer.

What's more, you are continuing to provide the service AFTER being informed of the illegal nature of Zeek Rewards.

Besides of the fact I do not agree with you on that "illegal nature"... Would people keep posting and submitting their ads daily without me? Obviously, yes.
I'm helping them do a task they want to do, period.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

As unlikely as it may seem today, should someone in a position of authority decide to make an example of you and/or your business, without verifiable proof you at least attempted to establish the legality of what you're doing, you WILL be liable.

What I'm doing is: post an ad twice a day, submit it to an external service which I do not own nor control.
I've already said something similar but I'll repeat: are you a lawyer? Are you employing attorneys on this forum? If not then who are you to tell me what I'm doing isn't legal? And on which grounds isn't it legal?

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Your claim that you're only doing what your clients want simply doesn't hold water.

Let's not for one minute pretend that because people haven't prosecuted it means they won't be prosecuted or can't be prosecuted.

Obviously.
Let's not forget either "innocent until proven guilty"... Rings a bell?
But, anyway, as I said before I did not come here to defend ZR... This is not my problem.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Your decision to involve yourself in the online fraud business is yours to make, HOWEVER, that does not negate our right or ability to point out the fact you're doing so.

Besides the fact that I disagree with you from the beginning, my original point, once again, was not to have you remove the post. I don't even care about that. My point was that I should have been informed and given the right to reply and defend myself, instead of finding out about this by pure chance.

Now, if you keep associating me with the word "scam" in any way, I hope you can bring in a legal opinion that actually matters. I'm not interested in any kind of speculation - and that's why I won't even try to defend ZR although there would be a lot to say (which I suspect has already been said by others anyway, most likely).

There are two major plusses with being involved in a forum such as REALSCAM.com

1) It's impossible to be proven "wrong" when the HYIP under discussion is offering 2% a DAY interest.

2) The only 2 attributes required for eventually being proven "right" are patience and perseverance.