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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
All ya gotta do is ask him about getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar in that MLM telecom (pretty sure it was buzzirk) scam. He's a hack on the take. Period.
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
Looks like Zeek will have a little competition or is this just a way out for them.
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I will never bad talk Zeek. Zeek is an amazing company. I plan to stay with Zeek as well. I just don’t want all my eggs in one basket. With that being said here we go…
1. Yes! Free affiliates are paid 5% cash on all bid purchases on two levels (*major difference)…with zeek that’s not possible. Here is your chance to join prior to launch for free.
2. Bidify lets affiliates earn on bid points for 120 days. (*major difference)…with zeek that’s not possible (only 90days)
3. Bidify pays all monthly paying affiliates 25% on sponsor commissions! (*major difference)….with zeek it’s 10% max.
4. Bidify Pays 5% commissions 3 levels down (medium difference/but still better)
more....
I have joined up with ApSense just to see what is going on there and right away it is evident the Scammers are there!!
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
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Originally Posted by
GlimDropper
I will say that unless facts emerge revealing a financial motive I don't think there is one. He has travel expenses covered and I don't doubt there's a speaking fee involved but I don't see anything irregular in that.
Isn't Troy's $75 video coaching service an indirect financial motive? He is increasing his readership around 3x (based on Alexa) and at a minimum he is now known to every one of the alleged 800k Zeek membership, and if that number is inflated, at least tens of thousands of active network marketers who didn't know of him before. Because of this indirect benefit, Troy is much more likely to be neutral to Pro-Zeek in his coverage even in the face of glaring warning signs.
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Originally Posted by
PPBlog
Troy is at great risk of Zeek promoters saying, "But Troy said . . . But Troy went to the Red Carpet events . . . But a picture of Troy and Dawn were in the Zeek promo Troy linked to on his Blog . . . But Troy is on the board of the Association of Network Marketing Professionals . . ."
Troy went further than that, putting his official blessing on Zeek by saying (my emphasis in bold):
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Originally Posted by Troy Dooly @MLMHelpDesk
I fully understand how the critics feel based on how Zeek launched. However, since the first video I published in Dec 2011, Zeek leadership has gone above and beyond what most companies ever do to get and stay legal.
Most companies who would face what Zeek has faced would just close the doors and walk away. Instead Paul rallied his team, and each challenge has created newer and larger partnerships with some of the most respected names in their area of expertise.
In my professional opinion Zeek Rewards is not a scam or is being run as a scam.
When Zeek blows up in all the MLM leaders' faces, Troy will lose a lot of credibility.
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
All the more reason to use MLM terms to reach him and make him see that Zeek, when compared to a more "traditional MLM" company, is a mis-shappened monstrosity.
I'll explain it this way:
In a regular business, you as an employee, have little responsibility: you do your work, you get paid. Major decisions are NOT up to you.
In MLM, you, as an IBO, are responsible for how to allocate the advertising budget (which the company does NOT spend much, if anything on) and recruiting/training budget. YOU, as the IBO, determine that. You rely on the company for product and minor support. If the products are dropped shipped from the company, and money is paid to the company, then you receive your profit back from the company, plus commission (PV and GV based).
But what is Zeek?
Zeek does NOT give much decision to the affiliates, if at all. Does Zeek affiliate even MEET any of the customers? Nope. It's all just some random characters you click on or just leave it on "auto" and the bids are given away automatically. Do you need to meet customers and convince them to visit Zeek? No. Pretty much the ONLY avenue you need to do is post ONE text ad. As you are NOT rewarded for doing more, why ANY ONE would do more is, well, questionable. Heck, you can even PAY people to do it FOR YOU.
So why does Zeek need the affiliates AT ALL? MLM companies need the affiliates to SELL THINGS, but not Zeek.
Zeek needs affiliates to BUY BIDS, not to sell bids like they claimed.
THAT, in itself, is fraud.
Furthermore, it makes it a huge Ponzi scheme, as we have pointed out before.
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
Is Troy Dooly shifting positions? He seems to think that Zeek is NOT MLM, but Internet company with MLM comp plan (isn't that spliting hair?)
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
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kschang
Is Troy Dooly shifting positions? He seems to think that Zeek is NOT MLM, but Internet company with MLM comp plan (isn't that spliting hair?)
A ponzi with an MLM plan, nice.
Is Troy going to make a July 4 video considering there are still many affiliates who haven't been paid for previous weeks? I predict it will be another "growing pains" video as the payment issues don't affect all affiliates, just some. Zeek should realize it only takes a small minority of irritated "I didn't get paid" members to make waves.
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
Well I don't know what Troy is going to do but here is a new ad from the famous Scamlandpro:
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Wouldn't you believe this person?? LOL
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
We need to add this person to the "heroes" list. This person lost money in ASD and sees the Zeek Rewards warning signs clearly.
There's nothing like reading an actual person who had to go through real financial loss to bring some realism to a Zeek prospect's attention.
Read about it here: Zeek Rewards Scam | Zeek Rewards Ponzi | Zeek Rewards Rip off
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
But what *does* this guy sell after all? :)
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
No matter how they slice it:
BUY BIDS = internal consumption to GIVE AWAY = no external consumption.
There is no product for external consumption.
The potential is there for a "member" to make all or most of his returns based on a no consumption model.
Multi Level Marketing, my a**
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
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Mitch McDeere
We need to add this person to the "heroes" list. This person lost money in ASD and sees the Zeek Rewards warning signs clearly.
There's nothing like reading an actual person who had to go through real financial loss to bring some realism to a Zeek prospect's attention.
Read about it here:
Zeek Rewards Scam | Zeek Rewards Ponzi | Zeek Rewards Rip off
It is good to see that these peoples' losses with ASD, Golden Panda, Biz Ad Splash (as founder members no less) and various other autosurfs have taught them how to recognise a productless ponzi when they see one. It is not so good, however, to see them go on to promote the Avant business out of Scottsdale, Arizona, run by Brent Payne, late of Liberty League International which ran foul of the regulators. They sell high priced "personal development courses" and that is not what many would call honorable home business.
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
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Originally Posted by
Lil Ol' Radical Me
It is good to see that these peoples' losses with ASD, Golden Panda, Biz Ad Splash (as founder members no less) and various other autosurfs have taught them how to recognise a productless ponzi when they see one. It is not so good, however, to see them go on to promote the Avant business out of Scottsdale, Arizona, run by Brent Payne, late of Liberty League International which ran foul of the regulators. They sell high priced "personal development courses" and that is not what many would call honorable home business.
So, they did not learn much. From illegal scam to semi-legal scam. Seems like this pair is only after easy money
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
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fromthehood
So, they did not learn much. From illegal scam to semi-legal scam. Seems like this pair is only after easy money
Claiming to be semi-legal is like claiming you are a little bit pregnant. Doesn't exist.
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
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Originally Posted by
fromthehood
So, they did not learn much. From illegal scam to semi-legal scam. Seems like this pair is only after easy money
At 1% to 2% per DAY, there's absolutely nothing legal about Zeek Rewards, semi or not.
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
It looks like one of the readers over at MLMHelpDesk tried to educate Troy, and failed trying. I was going to try and post some analysis channeling my best impersonation of kschang, but after reading this, I think it will fall on deaf ears.
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Originally Posted by Reality Check
@Troy,
Your profit numbers for the Mustang and other high end auction items are off by at least 50% because almost everyone who purchased VIP bids for the promo received 2x bids per $1 spent as a result of the BOGO offer.
More importantly, you seem to keep ignoring the matching VIP point liability that Zeek gives to affiliates. If you bought 1000 bids as a customer and paid $1000 for it, and I was the affiliate that referred you, I would earn $200 for the 20% commission, then receive 1000 VIP points that pay daily profit share for 90-days. This paragraph is one of the key reasons why so many Zeek critics are screaming “Ponzi” at the top of their keyboards.
If you remove the matching VIP points, you can still have a Ponzi if the incoming retail penny auction revenue is insignificant relative to affiliate bid purchases that earn ROI. The speculation among Zeek critics is that the reason VIP point matching is given is because Zeek corporate knows that is the only way to drive “retail revenue” and that most analysts will just ignore the matching VIP point liability.
Hope that clarifies.
Troy's reply:
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Originally Posted by Troy Dooly
@Reality Check,
In knowing th real nmbers behin the three major acutions but not revealing those publically due to my NDS, I will sand by figures and might even say I was a litle lite.
I can tell you the reason your math is 1/2 of mine is bcause major auctions in all unique bid auction houses atract high numbers of bidders who never bid in the small acutions. These are folks who go from auction house to auction house looking for high ticketed items. I view them as the ame typ of people who we might see showing up at a Barrett Jackson auction for cars or Tiffeny’s for art or jewlery.
Now to your more important statements… Matching point liability. I will bring up a couple of imporant points, as questions so you can help me to beter understand e issue.
1. Points being awards in GV bonus pools based on PV volume sales (with personal cmmission being paid) is a standard i network marketing. Who is Zeeks point pool different?
2. Zeek uses specfical qualifiers, a cap and time limit on those points in the pool, while using a floting daily net revenue figure to also maintain the ballance in the pool. With the qualifiers, cap, and time limit in place how does this point to a ponzi scheme?
3. Any company whose fcus is o drivig retail sales, seems to me the type of company w want to see. It is the companbies who only drive network growth, and payout on new dollars from the signups that cause the issues.
It seems to me the majority of unique bid autions focus on retail sales, not just netork growth. I know that in the case of MediaNet Group, their active customer base in the auction and shopping mall is around 3 million worldwide, while their affiliates are only around 150K.
With Zeek announcing phase II of their rollout fr July 2012, it seems the are also strengthening their retail model.
I am open to learning so if I am off, please guide me to beter understanding
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
FYI, folks, apparently someone in Zeekland put a 1000K (their words) bounty for my ID. Or it's a troll.
Read to the bottom of the comments, it's like the 4th or 5th one up.
Analyzing ZeekRewards and Zeekler, is Zeek Rewards a legal business? Read detailed Investigation here.
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
I signed up so we shall see.
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
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1. Points being awards in GV bonus pools based on PV volume sales (with personal cmmission being paid) is a standard i network marketing. Who is Zeeks point pool different?
Hmmm... Points are NOT GV or PV. PV is for stuff SOLD, not stuff "BOUGHT FOR ONE SELF BUT NOT CONSUMED".
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2. Zeek uses specfical qualifiers, a cap and time limit on those points in the pool, while using a floting daily net revenue figure to also maintain the ballance in the pool. With the qualifiers, cap, and time limit in place how does this point to a ponzi scheme?
Qualifier is a joke: post one text ad.
What cap?
Time limit of 90 days... So what? This "forced repurchase" just makes the whole thing more sustainable as people put a large portion of payout back into the system. It's STILL a Ponzi.
Money goes in, money goes out, no proven significant outside source of revenue.
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3. Any company whose fcus is o drivig retail sales, seems to me the type of company w want to see. It is the companbies who only drive network growth, and payout on new dollars from the signups that cause the issues.
And have ZR proven that it's NOT doing that? No. Too much emphasis on "bids purchased", ignoring the fact that bids serves TWO purposes: as bids to be used in auctions, or as tokens to be traded for VIP points.
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It seems to me the majority of unique bid autions focus on retail sales, not just netork growth. I know that in the case of MediaNet Group, their active customer base in the auction and shopping mall is around 3 million worldwide, while their affiliates are only around 150K.
Interesting, as this is NOT talking about Zeekler, but the industry in general, and gave a stat about some OTHER company. Is Troy suggesting that ZR has a similar ratio?
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
Found this on a HYIP investment blog. The author calls Zeek a clever HYIP and cites one of the big dangers is that MLM sheep are joining not realizing it is a HYIP. So their risk evaluation is faulty, and hence that's the fraud and why when Zeek implodes it will be much more painful than if say JBP/JSS imploded where all the participants knew they were gambling.
Some Zeek defenders also came out of the woodwork, all with faulty logic, but you can't go around correcting everyone... what, we going to create an anti-Zeek Squad? Zeek Truth Squad?
The blog is here: Will Zeek Rewards Scam ? |
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This is only a post on ZR's Facebook page and I'm not trying to bash Mr. Hicks here. But:
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- http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile...13505096_q.jpgBrian Hicks I live near Lexington, NC and frequent the home office regularly to hand deliver checks. I spoke to Roger, a Corp guy and he said we have outgrown NXPay, Payza and Alertpay. They are working with the 3 current ewallets to help them get up to par. These guys truly care but with 1,000,000 affiliates you have to undertand they are swamped. They are hiring and training like crazy down there, so things will smooth out soon.37 minutes ago · Like · 1
They have "out grown" three payment processors? And ZR is helping THEM get "up to par"?
ZR is so technically inept they'd have a hard time running a lemonade stand (but they seem to have a flair for handing out Kool-Aid). No wonder the private support forum is down and the ZR News site hasn't been updated in a week, their lies are stretched to the breaking point.
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Still waiting for Troy Dooly's response... ;)
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Re: Zeek Rewards !! How to get to $3K a month, starting as a free member !
PHEW !!
Relax everybody.
It's only a minor staffing problem:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...ams/zeek-1.jpg
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