Thread: AchieveSucessToday.ca - vague

Originally Posted by Dublin18

This thread was brought to my attention by a client of mine.

Which would be the first problem. Why would a "client" of yours care about an ad unless your "business" is pushing said ad as an affilate? I'm partial to the 70% rule myself, but only if an "opportunity" is tangible product based. Motivational woo needs to approach 100% of people not in the the opp. Without proof of actual retail sales to non-affiliates I'm going with illegal pyramid.

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Originally Posted by Dublin18

I am a little confused by the content contained in this thread.

I'm a little confused about your bellyaching about the content without providing one iota of content. Your post read more like a second ad with a little we must all be losers tossed in.

Originally Posted by Dublin18

I can inform readers of this thread that this BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY is not a scam. Far from it, in fact, Achieve Success Today through Ms. Pickering has provided me FREE OF CHARGE with hours of online training with on-line advertising placements, which work.

What business opportunity, the opportunity to sell others on the opportunity? This open minded gal will give people my blessing, do the free stuff. Then explore how much of that you could have found on the internet for well let's call it free.

Originally Posted by Dublin18

I can only assume working in the on-line Personal Development industry, with the opportunity to travel to Sales Conferences around the globe does NOT appeal to the people who have posted negatively in this thread.

Not in the least, I spent years traveling for business. After a while it sucks ass, and that was staying in great hotels and eating fine meals. If I had to pitch garbage to down and out suckers in 2 star hotel conference rooms and eat out of vending machines I would have hung myself long ago.

Originally Posted by Dublin18

Actaul facts are vague and unqualified. The business opportunity is real, the business is NOT a scam and the mentoring and on-going sales support valuable.

So you keep saying while remaining vague and without qualification of your premise.

Originally Posted by Dublin18

But the financial rewards are there, they are real and the process sells itself.

If it sells itself, why did your "client" have any concerns?

Originally Posted by Dublin18

I am at a loss as to how and why people who have posted on this thread have the opinions they have. Did any of them actually go through the process because my experience was excellent, entirely the opposite. The idea of vagueness with the ad is to promote curiosity and make you think. The process is NOT pushy, the entry level cost to start what is in effect a turn key business is low.

I've formed my opinions based on years of exploring bullshit opportunities as a hobby. Your continued vagueness confirms my suspicion in spades. First impressions and all that.

Originally Posted by Dublin18

If you want a business with zero start up costs. You want a job, NOT A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY advert.

Most people would be better off with a job, period. Many business owners if they make it earn about what a they would earn at a job, only they work longer hours. Then you have to factor in the stress that comes from running your own deal.

Frankly most people I find that criticize jobs are nothing more than woo peddlers preying on the disenfranchised. IMVHO most these folks would be better off getting a second JOB until they are out of the hole rather than waste precious time and money on unsubstantiated nonsense.

Originally Posted by Dublin18

If you are afraid of hard work then you will be negative to most things in life.

Actually, if you are afraid of hard work you will probably pay for nonsense like this routinely. Doxing negativity and mystical thinking supposed to cure everything is a tool of the snake oil peddler. Hardly a serious reason to plunk down cash.

Originally Posted by Dublin18

I am NOT afraid of hard work, maybe people who have posted on this thread are.

Unlikely on both counts. Still doesn't mean you proved your case, but thanks for necroing the thread.


SCAM TACTIC #1:
Make sure you focus on a hopeful yet sort-of-dumb crowd.

SCAM TACTIC #2:
Show them how badass your life is through pictures!

SCAM TACTIC #3:
Tell people they “deserve” a certain lifestyle.

SCAM TACTIC #4:
Don’t EVER get into the specifics of how you make money….just give business-y sounding advice!

SCAM TACTIC #5:
Always show HUGE numbers, no matter how irrelevant they are.

SCAM TACTIC #6:
Don’t give any ACTUAL helpful information, just talk about the end benefits of it!

SCAM TACTIC #7:
Be ultra-aggressive when you sell because you won’t see these people ever again.

SCAM TACTIC #8:
Now that you’ve got their money…RUN!

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Originally Posted by Dublin18

What a sad world.

Don't be such a gloomy gus, who was it that said:

Originally Posted by Dublin18

If you are afraid of hard work then you will be negative to most things in life.

It is sad that rather than adding value to people's lives so many grifters chose to lighten the wallets of those that can least afford it.

Having gone away and thought about the comments contained in this thread.

They are only opinions based on what? Opinions count for nothing as that is what they are opinions. NOT FACTS.

Responding to posts by dissecting them with quotes actually does NOT provide anything other than more opinion.

Originally Posted by Dublin18

Opinions count for nothing as that is what they are opinions

They must count for something.

Otherwise, why would you be here resurrecting a two month old post ???

Originally Posted by Dublin18

Having gone away and thought about the comments contained in this thread.

Anyone reading your withering comments can see you are no less vague than the come on ad that got this thread started. Maybe think a little harder and stay away until you can provide facts why AchieveSucessToday.ca isn't what we say.

Originally Posted by Dublin18

They are only opinions based on what? Opinions count for nothing as that is what they are opinions. NOT FACTS.

Really, opinions count for nothing? I guess next your going to say experience doesn't count for anything? My opinion is if I jump from a 50 story building it will lead to my death. This is based on reading about the experiences of others that did similar.
According to your illogical nonsense only my jumping would make my opinion a fact.

In the case of AchieveSucessToday.ca we would have to lose money then we would be qualified to call it a scam? Following your illogical tripe a little further, it would be better for people to listen to the "fact" someone fell for a scam than the opinion of people deft enough to avoid it altogether.

Originally Posted by Dublin18

Responding to posts by dissecting them with quotes actually does NOT provide anything other than more opinion.

My opinion is that's a ridiculous attempt to avoid providing facts on why AchievesuccessToday isn't a scam.

My opinion is this makes things even more specious. Following the Youtube link from Work From Home Business leads us to a another video and what do we have here?

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Remember this is not an opinion.

In addition, companies that make earnings representations must give consumers the written basis for their claims, including the number and percentage of owners who have done at least as well as claimed.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/busi...net-rules-road

18 views tells me this ain't exactly reselling itself muchly, but who do we have here?


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Huh, I could be wrong but this AchieveSucessToday.ca "business" looks more like a funnel to promote someone else's "business". Not really clear, maybe Dublin when you finish tinking you can fill us in.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Huh, I could be wrong but this AchieveSucessToday.ca "business" looks more like a funnel to promote someone else's "business". Not really clear, maybe Dublin when you finish tinking you can fill us in.

Pretty much what I was saying in my first reply.

Dublin18 doesn't even bother to address anything in a straightforward or honest manor.

What's the name of the real business(es) behind the generic lead capture site? In other words, what are people being recruited in to?

Why is a business opportunity site being promoted on a job listing site? After all, that's what created the original poster's confusion.

In a nutshell, about the only thing we've heard from Dublin18 is pretty much the same thing we hear from so many other scam supporters.

I joined. I made some money. Therefore it isn't a scam.

What a sad world.