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scratchycat

12-08-2011, 04:41 PM

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/8/2011 9:42:46 AM
Hello Friends,

Rick, good to see you here and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. I don't know if you recall but in a PM exchange I warned you about disagreeing with scratchycat in her threads. It appears from your comment that your posts were deleted and that doesn't surprise me at all. The fact that some are fawning over her in the AIF group also isn't surprising but it will be a short lived success .....aside from a few who are rabid instigators in any case.

Amanda, You're so right when you say we're adults and should know how to disagree to disagree in a civilized manner. We've been friends for years and in the past we've disagreed and remain friends. I have no doubt we'll disagree again since our beliefs on certain issues are very different and I'm confident it won't affect our friendship.

You know Kathleen this recent storm with scratchycat started cos of her vile backstabbing outside the community when she didn't succeed in getting her way within the community. You were the main recipient of her attacks and she would have or could have continued happily had you not found out about it. In the process we learned that she'd been badmouthing not only you but any person that ever had an altercation with her and called her out on her lies, lack of ethics, behind the scenes backstabbing and so much more. She named us the "dirty five" and I must say she isn't very original with her name calling. Remember the movie the "Dirty Dozen"? Well they were supposed to be the bad guys but ended up being the good guys and heroes. She also attacked Adland and Bogdan who she always professed to love dearly. Well if her actions are the result of love give me good old honesty, civility, straight and honest talking any day. I do believe her "popularity" in her new home will be short lived and they too will discover the real person that lurks behind the facade she tries to portray.

The bottom line here is that while people may disagree there is no logical reason not to be able to discuss it civilly and in a polite manner without taking offense at the disagreements. Evelyn said that there are many she couldn't be friends with and that's true both on and off line.

That said I'm always willing to rationally discuss issues based on facts but I lose interest when instead of facts we get innuendos, maybes, suppositions etc. I'm open to all discussions but in many cases I prefer ignoring certain posts cos they are repeats of past discussions and all that had to be said was said and I sometimes find repeating my self a bit boring and nothing will be accomplished by it. Ignoring a post is not impolite but it should be understood as a statement and accepted as such.

Shalom,

Peter

Peter Fogel
Babylon 7

Here he is in all his glory??? How can someone like this poke fun at other people??

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scratchycat

12-08-2011, 04:44 PM

She named us the "dirty five" and I must say she isn't very original with her name calling. Remember the movie the "Dirty Dozen"? Well they were supposed to be the bad guys but ended up being the good guys and heroes. She also attacked Adland and Bogdan who she always professed to love dearly. Well if her actions are the result of love give me good old honesty, civility, straight and honest talking any day. I do believe her "popularity" in her new home will be short lived and they too will discover the real person that lurks behind the facade she tries to portray.

Hey Jerk,

She named us the "dirty five" and I must say she isn't very original with her name calling. Remember the movie the "Dirty Dozen"? Well they were supposed to be the bad guys but ended up being the good guys and heroes That's why I called you the dirty 5!! :loser:

scratchycat

12-08-2011, 04:48 PM

RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/7/2011 8:06:40 PM
Hi Rick and friends. Rick as I read about your "inspection" reminds me of what I have thought for a long time and that is, I doubt we will ever know just how much damage was done behind the scenes, but more and more is slowly leaking out.

To be honest, there are some people here who I doubt I could ever be friends with, because, I guess you could call it a personality conflict, but I can still be cordial to them and I will, if they let me, but unfortunately there are a few here who won't even let you be cordial and I witnessed that recently, but not to me, to someone else.

Tell your sweet Marilyn she is missed here and a lot of us would love to see her back, only if it was just occasionally. Tell her to at least think about it and tell her I said hello. :)

She how sweet Miss Evelyn is??!! Marilyn wrote an article in AOV which I was asked to introduce - they made fun of her and it was right before she left the community. The community grapevine gossip has it that Marilyn took another member's husband from her (Kathy H.)!! Kathy, I hope you said Good Riddance!!

scratchycat

12-08-2011, 04:52 PM

ARTICLE OF VIRTUE With Marilyn L. Martin | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/1148498/ARTICLEOFVIRTUEWithMarilynLMartin.aspx?flag=49)

Maybe one or two commented but that was before Gaby changed.

scratchycat

12-08-2011, 04:57 PM

Had them going here for awhile, I did!!

Hi Kathleen,

I wrote the below post this morning after seeing scratchycat/the Blow's post. Just now as I was preparing to post it I saw that her post's been deleted. I can't believe you deleted her post so I assume she did and why doesn't that surprise me? In addition I'm adding some info I received in my gmail inbox this morning which I think you'll appreciate and also see the irony of it. An ex adlander still posting in Adlanders In Facebook. I guess she's using the pity me function she's so good at there now cos no one pities her here anymore. The person who sent it to me is a member of that closed group so I personally can't get access to it.

Shalom,

Peter

Hi Kathleen, Evelyn, Jim, Scratchycat & All,

I've participated in this thread for very obvious reasons. On a personal level I was here in regard to the Blow/Scratchycat entering my name in a supposed anti scam forum while I've not been selling online for quite a while now and the link in my sig line is a legitimate product sold internationally. Even that I'm not actively selling but there are still sales monthly due only to the link in my sig line.

That said one can only assume that the mentioning of names is a revenge strategy against those that aren't scratchycat supporters and "lovers". The interesting part is that there aren't many left now since even they've realized that the persona she tried to build up was a facade and instead of love all you've got is a pathetically vengeful individual. Until she started disparaging members outside of adland in other sites on line she was the expert backstabber via PMs, emails, posts in AIF, Skype and the other messenger services. This anti scam site tactic had its limited success until you discovered this campaign of hers. Kudos to you for that.

History always repeats itself. In her badly written rant here she's claiming the status of victim. While she's been in attack mode on that anti scam site since February badmouthing and maligning adland members and adland as a whole including admin. So I wonder who the real victim is? Those being maligned behind their backs or the person caught with her pants down. So I wonder why she thinks she's been unjustly brought to account in this thread? Being caught and the truth seem to be something she can't live with.

The one true statement she made is that in your previous tenure as POTW leader I wasn't a supporter of your format and at the time I stated my reasons. What this shows is that people can disagree and still remain friends, a concept she's unable to understand. In her book if you disagree with me you're my enemy. Stupid but past history shows it to be true hence her expertise in deleting and banning.

I don't know whether to congratulate you on your second round as the POTW leader or not and I'm not sure the one on one polls is the way to go. I've watched the slow demise of the POTW for quite a while now and it saddens me but doesn't surprise me. On a personal level and as a friend I'd rethink whether taking this on again at this time is the wise thing to do. In the end it's your decision and you know as I do how time consuming a task this can be even if the participation level is as low as it's been lately.

Shalom,

Peter

Sara G Blow AdLanders in FaceBook
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I AM LEAVING ADLAND. I WILL REMAIN A BASIC MEMBER BUT WILL NOT BE ACTIVE.
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Sara G Blow Thank you Diane Bjorling, you can read the latest here:
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Sara G Blow After the administration did not support me, I throw in the towel. I want no part of a community that allows this type of slander to continue. I also thank you about the age thing. My stepson was shocked this past weekend to learn that I will be 70 next year, he thought I was about 59!!! Made me feel good!! That is what I want to feel good, present beauty and help others. I want no part of evil.
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Nick Grimshawe Hi Sara, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. I wish you well. Hopefully you will post here from time to time.
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Hi Peter,
I didn't delete anything, I don't know if posts disappeared after she left the community last night or were deleted before that.
I think she does not read a lot of stuff, the ad she copied into the scam site clearly stated that I'd help people who joined up to a certain level, and that ad WAS obviously FOR another person, and yet I was referred to as a "culprit". I actually do put part of my commissions into paid advertising for other people who join at certain levels under me and my direct referrals.
When I first contacted her on Sept 28th, I sent a link to that scam site and she replied about something else, she had not even read the message properly, it was only a few line message, and it seemed as if she had completely forgotten she had ever posted that earlier this year.
Also I was banned from Adlanders In Facebook at the end of last year for making a comment about I think nominees should be members for more than 2-3 weeks before being on the ballot, and I was banned for that, even though she had made her comment at AIF about hoping someone wouldn't win...and then several months later, Barry put a rule into effect for the ALP elections about people needing to be members longer, that's exactly the reason I was banned by the AIF admin.
Wanting no part of "evil"? Referring to someone as a CULPRIT for doing exactly what my ad said I'd do...and she also hoped a nominee would not win while she was anonymously helping with the election last year. Those 2 issues don't sound like goodness.
**I really think the community should take a break from the POTW for a long time and think about if they really want an election, or let different people run it from week to week, or brainstorm different ideas about it. The main reason I decided to start doing it again was to offer Sara a partnership, as an olive-branch, but that's probably not a reasonable idea. I know she'd been interested in it since I was running it 2 years ago because I remember questions, and I said the advertising area should be studied by anyone interested in being a POTW partner because the prizes are advertising.
The ONLY reason I made a write-in election in 2009 was because I was still not thrilled about the tons of extra votes in January 2007, and that election could have been restarted.
I'm willing to be civilized with people if they are also, most people can agree to be civilized, even after arguments, most adults are not longterm base idiots.
I think our former member would be surprised to know that some of us were actually concerned about her emotional well-being, since this was such an outrageous situation that was way beyond her usual.
Actually, Nick G. was someone I had in mind the other day when I mentioned a mutual nonbiased friend might be given her password to the other site just to see IF that thread IS or is NOT deletable.
The reason I mentioned senior-citizenship the other day is because I pay taxes IN and she gets money OUT as a senior who I assume may be getting Social Security, and her efforts to cut a younger person's income and therefore cut the amount of taxes I'd have to pay IN would be ultimately effecting any OUTGO, and seniors don't need to start receiving LESS now, that's a really bad idea, to try to squelch the income of anyone who's actually paying in, or make earning difficult for a lot of people who work from home.
Hi Kathleen,

Just a short post cos I'm about to call it a night and get some sleep.

She hasn't left Adland. Scratchycat is still a member ...... without a pic.

Since I live in a different time zone I was asleep when she posted her "dramatic" announcement. One of my friends copied it and sent it to me via email. If you wish I can post it here so people will understand what our replies are referring to.

Shalom,

Peter.
Peter Fogel

One of his 'sheeple' sent that to him!

scratchycat

12-08-2011, 05:04 PM

This was from a friend but it tells it like it was and then got even worse.

Sara, this is what I just sent xxx xxxxx and it pretty much says what I would have told you to.

I've folded my tent here in alp as the ads have gotten me nowhere. I don't like the loose intreprtation of the words forum, comments and personal messages. Nothing has changed as far as acceptable behavior. I'm spending my ad money in 12 sec commute and see how that goes. Its small and monitored and googled in 2 days but on page 2. See how long it takes to jump over alp and be on page . LOL LOL

I am going to put up the Welcome New Member forum and for selfish reasons. If it helps people that's good but I'm done trying to help people here. Continue to post on any of my forum threads as they google. Love your support. Few here understand that concept sadly so they put up their ads in invisible ink and leave in a week or two. What can you do? Time spent linking with people and promoting others does no good as community is non-existant. I failed to read the death notice and functioned as if it were still alive. Those false expectations cost me dearly. Now my profile is back up and I am on my way with a different perspective. In otherwords, same ol same ol here in happy land. Keep in touch

Sara, I know you and Jim Allen don't hit it off to put it mildly but he leaves me alone so I can hang out there. I was wasting my money here. The tools here are probably good but there is no help to understand them. I opened the door to learn by creating the forum on Affiliate Adlandpro. Bogdan liked it, complimented me, and gave assistance in the background. He monitored the forum but missed his chance to use it as a learning tool for new people or those who wanted to make money as an affiliate by not posting himself. I think he is too busy in politics, climbing the mountain of love and chasing UFO. ALP is cleaner now as new profiles have slowed down with the crap profiles. Maybe he has gotten the message. But from past experience it will not last. He will walk away and it will start all over again.

So now my pic is back up and lets see who comes to welcome me---ooops can't comments is still closed, forums are locked.

See you around little sunflower lady of Ks.

She stuck with the Allen guy but let me know things were not going well, then she just vanished.

scratchycat

12-08-2011, 05:13 PM

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FTC Seeks to Stop Fake News Sites’ Deceptive Claims About Acai Berry Weight Loss Products
Published on April 20, 2011 in Cases and News. 0 Comments
Tags: acai berry, deceptive advertising, dietary supplements, ftc.
The Federal Trade Commission has asked to federal courts to issue temporary restraining orders to stop 10 alleged “fake news” operations from using their Web sites to market acai berry weight-loss products. The FTC seeks to permanently stop these practices and has asked courts to freeze the operations’ assets pending trial.

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•deceptively represent that their websites are objective news reporters, that independent tests demonstrate the effectiveness of the product, and that the comments following the “articles” on their websites reflect the views of independent consumers; and
•fail to disclose their financial relationships to the merchants selling the products.
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The defendants running the fake news sites who were charged in these cases make very similar claims that consumers can experience dramatic weight loss by taking acai berry supplements in combination with a companion product such as a so-called colon cleanser.

The FTC filed the 10 complaints and requests for temporary restraining orders in six federal courts:

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•In the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey, the agency filed a complaint against Circa Direct LLC and Andrew Davidson.
•In the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan, the agency filed a complaint against Coulomb Media, Inc., and Cody Low, also known as Joe Brooks.
•In the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York, the agency filed a complaint against DLXM, LLC, also doing business as DLXM LLC, and Michael Volozin, also known as Mikhail Volozin.
•In the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Georgia, the agency filed a complaint against Charles Dunlevy.
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Here is what the FTC is going after, sites like this:
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path2prosperity

12-08-2011, 06:48 PM

"grumpyoldfart" who is a RS member and the webmaster of Ex Adlanders has just opened a new art forum and I will be contributing to it as I have a lot to tell people about Joanne Pemberton Longman whose work is becoming very famous on both sides of The Atlantic. I have also been able to provide some art forums with some useful biographical information about Joanne. Joanne was single when World War 11 broke out so she had three choices. 1) To join the armed forces. 2) To work in a munitions factory or 3) To work on the land and dig for victory.

Joanne chose to work on the land and she lived with our family during World War 11. I could never understand why my brother and sister said that she was part of our family but not my sister.

I have also got some marvelous stories about John Wesley the famous World War 11 artist whom I met in Putney when I knocked on his door and asked him if he would like to sell any of his paintings on a fine art web site.

If any of the Adlandpro Artists who were your genuine friends wish to pick up the threads and discuss art they can leave the Adland cesspit and discuss their art on

Grumpyoldfart's New Art Forum (http://afcw.net/myart).

path2prosperity

12-08-2011, 07:02 PM

BoggyBoy's porn merchants and all porn web sites are the worst sources of viruses, trojans and malicious code.

I get extremely neurotic about the bugs which have found their way into my computers. Digitech Computers in Putney London SW15 have given me some very helpful advice about the use of registry cleaners and programs like CCleaner. "grumpyoldfart" is also very suspicious of some of these clean up programs. I strongly advise anybody who has done research on these porn sites to join Ex Adlanders.

scratchycat

12-09-2011, 02:42 PM

E: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again8/9/2011 4:33:50 PM

Hi Friends,

I've been asked by admin to end the discussion in this thread. He requested that the person discussed here control herself and not bash and badmouth people without provocation and reason. We'll just wait and see what happens in the future. This thread is no longer active.

Shalom,

Peter

and now it is allowed again... wonder why??

scratchycat

12-09-2011, 02:44 PM

HERE HE GOES!!! The great big wolf in sheep's clothing...

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/6/2011 9:07:11 PM
Hello Friends,

This thread has been locked for a while but I decided to temporarily reopen it to express my thoughts on recent happenings and the changes I see in the community as a direct result IMO.

As many of you know by now Sara Gardner aka scratchycat aka the blow was banned /expelled from the community. I won't go into the reasons since I'm sure most of you are aware of them by now and I personally think it should have happened a long time ago but as the saying goes it's better late then never.

I noticed a few interesting things lately. Members who all of a sudden came out of the closet and admitted that they too had altercations and blow ups with scratchycat and a result learned her true character. Others simply described her in ways that I and a few others were claiming was the real Sara Gardner and not the facade of the caring and loving persona she tried so desperately to portray.

In any case I've noticed that since her "departure" the community's become a much friendlier place. Nothing's changed there still are political differences, and belief structures but they are discussed in a friendly manner that is conducive to lively discussions and make interesting reading.

Just my thoughts and I for one hope this friendly atmosphere is here to stay.

Shalom,

Peter

Peter Fogel
Babylon 7

FRIENDLIER PLACE!! So enjoy!

scratchycat

12-09-2011, 02:48 PM

This was in 2007, does not sound very peaceful to me and that was before I became active. I joined in 2006 but left for several months then came back, had no clue what CRC was at that time.

Bogdan

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Conflict Resolution Committee2/1/2007 10:26:57 AM
Hello Everybody

As some of you might have heard, there have been proposals made by several members on different occasions that we need a group of people in the community which would help with identifying potential issues between our members early enough so they can be dealt with before any serious problems occur.

Recently William Vanderbilt provided such a suggestion and I have asked him to take a lead in formulating such ideas.
He came to me with following mission statement, and we currently are looking for a group of volunteers who would be interested in sitting on such committee.

When I say volunteers I entirely mean that. There is not going to be any rewards for this position or perks.
If you decide to be part of this body, you will agree to be available when group needs you.

Conflict Resolution Committee | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/586261/ConflictResolutionCommittee.aspx?flag=132)

scratchycat

12-09-2011, 02:50 PM

Gabrielle

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/6/2011 9:33:24 PM
Hello Peter,

I must agree with you, the atmosphere is much better than it was. I'm glad to see that Admin finally saw the light.
In a way, I almost feel sorry for her as she must be a very unhappy person within herself.
We will always have difference of opinions it's what life is all about but we can do it in an adult way. Heck my husband and I have a lot of differences but we're still together...lol...and I still love him.
I am proud to have you as a true friend Peter, thank you for your friendship.
Shalom

Wrong, as usual!! Smiley Kitty is still around and happy to be rid of you people!

scratchycat

12-09-2011, 02:52 PM

Bogdan

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Re: Conflict Resolution Committee2/1/2007 11:25:00 AM
Hi John,

I see your concernes.

The committee's role is not to censor. In fact committee won't have any decision making abilities. The committee will only get involved when problems are reported (this happens now with the difference that I'm the only one who looks at the problem) and members of this committee will have chance to observe the problem and analyze the history and make recommendations to what decision should be made.

In the past several problems have been developing over the time and I was notified when they were at its pick. In most cases this was not only too late but it required from me substantial devotion of my time to determine what the problem is. As you might suspect, the problem never was what one party was attempting to communicate to me. In most cases after investigating I could get to early stages of the problem and find that both parties contributed to it quite often equally.

So the committee's role will be giving me an objective view of what is going on and give recommendations as to the course of action.
In addition more than one set of eyes will be available while problem is developing not when it already has developed.

Bogdan Fiedur

Why are people so stupid (as I was!!) to do the dirty work for him!! As an owner aren't you supposed to HIRE people to work for you??!!! Not just started, has it??

scratchycat

12-09-2011, 02:59 PM

Some interesting days,

Georgios VS JoAnne | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/1197189/GeorgiosVSJoAnne.aspx?flag=41)

Re: Georgios VS JoAnne -TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN2/15/2009 10:19:07 PM
Hello Georgios,

I had prepared a different post then the one I am going to post now. I will relate to each point where you mentioned my name and state that the way you worded YOUR post is misleading and the answers I give now will be the last time I discuss this matter with you.

You wrote:
JoAnne Green and Peter Fogel, two AdLandPro POTW awarded members, meaning they are something special, beloved by the community and responsible to make this place better, tried to mislead the whole community by telling you that I am an e-banking scammer and I am he who reported JoAnne’s forums for improper information!

The last first. No where did I mention that you reported JoAnne's forums. Here are the exact words I used and you "assumed" wrongly that I thought it was you.

BTW, did you know that 2 of your Town Crier threads have been reported bor abuse? Now how funny is that? 3-From Adland Town Crier -- Notification of A Veiled Threat on AdlandPro -- What To Do If You Feel That Your ID, Credit Cards and Bank Accounts May Be Compromised | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/1189404/3/ShowThread.aspx)

How far is that from saying it was you. That is the only public mention made on that issue. In a private chat I told you that I knew it wasn't you but had suspicions of 2 that probably did. That was a misleading statement you made.

Never anywhere did I say you were an e-banking scammer. Find it and show it to me. Another misleading statement.

You wrote: I also informed JoAnne and Peter to follow this forum and to know how our common friends feel about their friendly attack on me. This is the PM I received from you:

From Georgios Paraskevopoulos: Your opinion counts

Date: 2/8/2009

I have chosen you from JoAnnes list.
Please go and tell your opinion. No replies. Nobody will know who and how he voted. This will be sent to 100 friends of JoAnne's.
Georgios VS JoAnne | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/thread/1197189.aspx)

Kindly regards
Georgios
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ETERNAL WISDOM-Know ThySelf, PHILOXENIA COMMUNITY, UBIEE, BBS GLOBALThat is a far cry from what you wrote in your post now. Another misleading statement. BTW, when you post a thread it goes to all the members of your forum and your friends so the 630 views when we chatted earlier and the now 721now is comprised of your friends too. And you said you only communicated with 100 common friends so again a misleading statement.

As to the people that reported you to the various authorities I will only say I wasn't one of them.

You wrote:

During this week I made about 70 new friends in AdLandPro. I don't think they know about this dispute and if they know they don’t believe in what Peter and JoAnne want them to believe on me.
Georgios, Those that know me in the community know I will be polite when I post but I won't mince words when I believe something has to be said. As I mentioned earlier I never said you were an e-scammer nor that you reported JoAnne's forums. Find it if you can. You know this and yet yet you mislead with outrageously misleading statements. The only people enjoying this are the attention seekers and pity mes and we all know who they are.

I will say this though about your example and your poll as well. The example was a terrible one and can be understood as a veiled threat. Your poll had 4 options and only one was favorable to you. It was worded not well and it appears that you had an agenda in advance namely the above misleading post. You reached the following conclusion from the results of the poll:

It is clear to me that in the eyes of our common friends I am not a trustable person either as a threat for e-banking cheats or person who hits his friends behind their back.

It is impossible to do a serious statistical analysis of a poll with 31 votes and at the time we chatted there were 630 views and now 721 and probably more by the time I post this. The poll ends at midnight so it might change in anycase. Especially when the poll voting options were one sided to begin with 75% negative and only 25% positive. That is less then 5% of the views and that is what you based your conclusions on? I read earlier that friends of yours stated that they didn't vote and they would have voted option 4. There are plenty others that probably felt te same. One final point on this issue. You will probably be surprised to read this but in the close group of Joanne's friends there were those that voted option 4. I know this from personal knowledge.
You see Geo, you mislead all the time in your "To Whom It May Concern". I didn't lose in the other dispute. I still firmly believe my allegations were true and so do many others. I stated then that for me it was a closed issue and here you are reopening it. As to my BTW, read it again Geo. I thought it was funny then and I still do. Do you want another BTW? In regard to the "other" dispute I know what your thoughts on that matter are too.

When the issue with deleted post started on the last night of the POTY poll 2 things happened.

1. The POTW team immediately resigned both publicly and I sent a PM to Bogdan to that affect right after the announcement in the POTY thread. So Bogdan (admin) didn't discharge us it was of our own volition.

2. I removed myself from the POTY contest.

I also sent Bogdan a PM explaining why I removed myself and that Pauline is the winner.

Everything above is documented and can be found in the POTY thread and the PM I sent Bogdan he posted when he announced Pauline was the 2008 POTY.

Gang of four? Interesting, the only gang I see now is a gang of one (with background supporters) that is trying to get his revenge with misleading statements.

I see Joanne and Peter all the time. Well I'll tell you this Geo. I gave you my recommendation in our chat just before you posted the above J'Accuse. I read your reasons why this is a problem for you in the chat and I can understand your fears. I can also understand Bogdan's concern.

I will tell you this. Just as you asked me when we made our truce/peace just last month that I ask Joanne to delete her thread my reply then was that JoAnne is a strong independent woman. She will do as she sees fit and will not be swayed by attempts to convince her to do anything against her will. The same in this case. If Joanne sees fit to delete her threads that is her choice. It is not my place nor have I the right to tell her what to do. I can tell her what my opinions are and she will in the end do as she sees fit and/or as her attorneys advise her to do.

My conclusion is different from yours. I believe that this act was planned in advance and that includes the poll (the options and wording is enough for a discerning reader to see that). I guess you want your revenge and I wonder if it might not just boomerang right back at you.

As I told you in our chat last night (our time) my belief is that you are going about this in the wrong way and it most probably could have been resolved in a different manner.

Shalom,

Peter

scratchycat

12-09-2011, 04:06 PM

This whole thing with Peter & Jim started in 2008 when they were running the POTW and the Foto Contest. I deleted the messages I received from them and then learned that I needed to have saved them!! After it was going full blast, I kept them:

From Peter Fogel: Hello Sara Date: 11/18/2008 Hello Sara, I started a thread about your attacks on me. Amongst other things in the thread I wrote about your allegation that I continued to attack you via PMs which is of course not true. In the same manner that I didn't attack you in the nominations thread. Both in the thread and in the PMs I tried to resolve the issue in a friendly and peaceful manner as you can see when you read my post in the nominations thread. My post in the nominations thread I entered into the new thread I started today. The PMs I won't cos they were and are personal messages between us and I won't post them publicly unless I have your express approval to do so. If not I asked that we find a non biased member here in adland to read them and "judge" if I attacked, was ugly or anything negative in the PMs or only polite and friendly at all times. A person I thought of is xxx. If you agree please let me know via PM or by posting in the thread. Or allow me to post the PM correspondence (the best option in my opinion) directly in the thread for all to see and judge for themselves. Here's the link to the thread: http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/thread/1158163.aspx Sara, I really don't understand what your agenda is but I think you might have a faulty memory of what occurred and how I dealt with it. I can't allow your imagination to harm what I consider to be my good name. Thomas publicly apologized and I think an apology from you is in order too. You have a strange way to deal with people that treated you nicely and with respect. The last comment includes your actions against ex-member too. It's not enough to say "I'm a good person" you actually have to be one. In the past few days you weren't. Maybe there were some that egged you on to do what you did but I don't think you made a wise decision. Shalom, Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter, I am sorry you refuse to just let this go. We are simply not able to communicate as has been proven in past PMs.

You do what you feel is correct. He was and has been a very good friend and supporter for all of us. What you call 'friendly and peaceful manner' is not my way of thinking. I am not saying I am correct and you are wrong. We just don't speak the same language even if it is English.

Peter, my 'agenda' as you call it is simple. I try to treat everyone nice. I am a true friend. I try to live my life with Jesus as my prime example. I do say 'try' because it is not possible for a human being to do that. I am not perfect, I make mistakes - I am more than likely making one now by even trying to respond to you. You seem to make something of my words that is simply not what I meant them to be. I am a sensitive, an artist, a creative person. I would never hurt anyone intentionally but sometimes it just happens. Those are times when I know I 'should have' kept quiet when I did not. I live to regret those times. Very few people totally understand me, I am very complex - whether a gift or curse, I don't know. About your good name, what about mine? You have ridiculed me and others.

You made this statement:

It's not enough to say "I'm a good person" you actually have to be one.

I sincerely agree with that and think it applies to you as well. Do you think 'making fun of other people' shows you as being a good person?

I want this over with, an end to it as I stated publicly. As you have probably noticed I have unblocked you and Jim from my forum but I will not take up anymore debates with either of you. My time is not to be wasted upon things of this nature, there are more things much more important and joyful.

The issue that you keep bringing up about xxx and her family. God knows I would never think of harm to those dear people. The forum was an ingenious idea and entertaining until you turned it bad. What you started is not something this community represents. End of that Period.

I don't think I want to read what you have posted. I cannot let you make me ill again. God has helped me get stronger and I need to stay that way for as long as I can. There is too much work to be done.

NOTE: At this point, I had let these emotions make me sick.
These are words from my heart in answer to yours. I don't know what you see from the other side of this screen but God knows me and that is enough.

Sincerely,

Sara

Of course he did not stop, he even put up an entire forum thread dedicated to continuing the harassment and Bogdan never stopped it. Almost 2 years later it was deleted at my request.

scratchycat

12-09-2011, 04:11 PM

Soapboxmom

12-09-2011, 04:44 PM

Why are people so stupid (as I was!!) to do the dirty work for him!! As an owner aren't you supposed to HIRE people to work for you??!!! Not just started, has it??
As Bogdan was making money off of that place he absolutely should have hired someone qualified to to care of the place and deal with any issues. Now he has unhappy advertisers and fighting members driving away his traffic which it turns out was generated to quite a degree by spammers, prostitution related posts, drug advertisers, MLMers, scammers and the like. They are certainly not the kind of clientele any legitimate reputable advertiser is looking for as they are only there to peddle their own junk such as it is.

Soapboxmom

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12-09-2011, 04:47 PM

path2prosperity

12-09-2011, 06:14 PM

Life is hard enough and people do not need to be bullied and harassed in an online community. Leaving is not always an option a person can take because they leaves them to continue just as they are doing now. I am not letting it upset me - far from it now. What I am doing is letting them rant and saving each post. How can the owner of this Adlandpro community accuse RealScam of doing what he freely allows on his own website. At least with RS, there is a goal and that is to bring attention to internet crime. What they continue to allow is personal defamation.

They are attacking you because you have caused them a great deal of harm and loss of revenue "scratchy." It is a badge of honour.

When I posted the fact that I was still allowed to post in TG, "laidback" pointed out that this was because I had not done much to reduce their advertising revenue. It was true. I have been somewhat effete in my efforts to bring down TG. All my effort has gone into the battles with MyCashForums and Adlandpro. Hold up your head with pride.

We have an Ex Adlanders forum and several Facebook groups where people who have seen Adlandpro for what it really is will start assembling in the near future. It has taken almost a year but most of my ex TG friends are members here now and I am delighted.

scratchycat

12-11-2011, 04:12 PM

Update:

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/9/2011 3:45:36 AM
Hello Peter & co.

It might be strange that I'm posting in this thread since I myself have asked to close it some time ago. Guess what, my prospective change somewhat since then, yet I'm still believing that this thread should be left to die.
I don't claim to be immune from making mistakes and it is of course up to you how you take my message, but below I would like to post for you a definition of the Troll from wikipedia.

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted".

While the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling describing intentionally provocative actions outside of an online context. For example, mass media uses troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."[5][6] The "trollface" (pictured right) has become a well-recognized icon of Internet trolling. It was drawn by deviantArt user Whynne and uploaded to the site in 2008. Whynne claims that the drawing was an attempt at recreating a comic character named "Rape Rodent".[7]

The "trollface" or "coolface", is sometimes used to indicate trolling.[1]
More on trolling here.

This is what I have learned first hand and in my opinion whenever you are responding to trolling, you are just putting gasoline on the fire. Troll can only feed on negative energy. When you show distress, troll is happy. When you stop feeding negative energy to the troll, troll has to find another object of their aggression so they can elicit negative energy or they feel miserable. They can't stand positive energy because they feel insignificant.

Also remember that trolls contribution to the society is to continually test hot buttons of individuals they are targeting to put them off the track. They might be used and supported by hidden agents e.g. competition, your enemies or just themselves to see if they can build carrier on your mistakes or create more traffic to their trolling nest.
They need badly attention.

So in my view if you want to use your energy for the positive area, start working on your business, improve your marketing, meet your friends or have a drink and laugh in a good company.

Don't react to trolls. If you use your energy for positive areas, trolls will run away as they can't survive in such an environment. They will keep hovering over you if they smell the blood, but if you don't give them reason for that, they will go somewhere else. They can't create anything on their own, they just feed on others.

Bogdan

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Truth can only be found by those who have the humility to consider what they do not prefer.
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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/9/2011 3:49:59 AM
Trolls also get stomped by 3 billygoats, according to the childrens story, the troll who lived under the bridge and told the goats they'd have to pay a toll to cross, ended up getting butted by the biggest goat and drowned in the moat. Drowned after being stomped by all 3.

Trolls online are the same as the troll under the bridge, just sitting there waiting.

Obviously having no family or loved ones, if they did, they'd have an offline support system reminding them not to be ridiculous.

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/9/2011 3:51:50 AM
Kathleen,
What I have noticed after I learned Bobby Brown's character was through Gone Country and of course after his divorce from Whitney Houston and all the bad press..I have not read anything negative on Bobby, he got himself cleaned up and seems to have been drug free.

Whereby Whitney is still getting negative media from the few mags I flip through while waiting my turn at the grocery cash-out line.. Such a great place to catch up with the celeb antics cause I don't buy the mags.. LOL...and seems to still be suffering from drug addiction and meltdowns. It would seem that Whitney was the 'bad apple' in their relationship..

Amanda

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Hi Amanda,

Thanks for that info! I realize that Bobby Brown had some serious issues during his marriage to Whitney Houston, and he has made some big mistakes in his life. I've always liked that song "My Prerogative" it's a very hypnotic tune and great lyrics. There's no way to separate great talent from human mistakes, but sometimes in peoples' future life, they try to get on a better path.

I'm going to post more music with my statements here soon, music really IS part of our lives, and there are good messages and calming/positive factors in favorite songs.

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/9/2011 4:05:56 AM
Hello Peter,

No it will not affect our long term friendship, like you say we have been friends for several years and I respect you... However, there have been times lately that I could 'slap you over the head with a wet noodle', and I am sure you could do the same to me when we do not see eye to eye.

Amanda

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Amanda, You're so right when you say we're adults and should know how to disagree to disagree in a civilized manner. We've been friends for years and in the past we've disagreed and remain friends. I have no doubt we'll disagree again since our beliefs on certain issues are very different and I'm confident it won't affect our friendship.
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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/9/2011 7:27:45 AM
Hi Bogdan,

Thanks for your post it's much appreciated and I loved the definition of Troll. Sorta suits the subject of this thread to a T.

When I reopened this thread I wrote :
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This thread has been locked for a while but I decided to temporarily reopen it to express my thoughts on recent happenings and the changes I see in the community as a direct result IMO.
so basically it was to show the positive changes in the community as a result of the forced departure of scratchycat/Sara Gardner/ the blow.

I had a good laugh this morning when I read an email from a good friend with a link to scratchycat's latest thread in her new home and believe it or not this thread was the topic. And I naively thought RS considered itself a scam buster site/board?? Guess admin there will now have to redefine the agenda and goals of that site now that she's part of them (hmmmm, maybe they should add trolling and gossip allowed :) ). Wonder when they'll realize they're being used and they are just the latest props for her to hide behind.

Your suggestion to let this thread die is accepted cos it never was my intention to keep it open on an ongoing basis. Just as a platform to express my views on the healthier atmosphere here in Adland since she was blown away by her own actions and her house of cards came crumbling down. So I'll leave it open over the weekend and lock this thread again on Monday morning.

We never know what the future will bring and I just might open it again in the future if the need arises.

Hope you had a great birthday Bogdan.

Shalom,

Peter

Shalom,

Peter

Now, let's see what happens, huh!?

scratchycat

12-11-2011, 04:15 PM

I had a good laugh this morning when I read an email from a good friend with a link to scratchycat's latest thread in her new home and believe it or not this thread was the topic. And I naively thought RS considered itself a scam buster site/board?? Guess admin there will now have to redefine the agenda and goals of that site now that she's part of them (hmmmm, maybe they should add trolling and gossip allowed :) ). Wonder when they'll realize they're being used and they are just the latest props for her to hide behind.

You have had some good laughs off me for some years now, isn't it getting kinda out of date?? Listen, Jerk, the reason I am posting is to show that cyber-bullying and harassment is allowed in Adlandpro - even for those of us who have no say there anymore (happy for that also!!). I look forward to the day when you find someone else to serve as your punching bag, the sooner the better. Yet, go ahead keep it up and you will see it repeated and ridiculed.

scratchycat

12-11-2011, 04:22 PM

Don't react to trolls. If you use your energy for positive areas, trolls will run away as they can't survive in such an environment. They will keep hovering over you if they smell the blood, but if you don't give them reason for that, they will go somewhere else. They can't create anything on their own, they just feed on others.

Bogdan, don't know where you came up with idea of Trolls but it makes no difference. Your members have been trying to tell you for years they exist in your Adlandpro and have hurt many members and you know who they are because you have been told over and over, yet you allow them to say those things and still be there. Your words quoted here are much the same as what we were told when we reported the harassment because you know for a fact these same people have been doing this same thing for a very long time. You never hear much from them until a member starts being attacked and here they come out of the woodwork with all their vile implications and bullying.

I suppose Kathleen's forum totally devasting LaNell has been removed. I think I have it saved somewhere. I have the one you deleted of Peter's about me saved, just in case. You cannot deny that what you are allowing in that community is not what you have accused RealScam of doing.

scratchycat

12-11-2011, 04:25 PM

Obviously having no family or loved ones, if they did, they'd have an offline support system reminding them not to be ridiculous.

I don't see any of your family jumping in to help you out Kathleen. I have a lot of family and friends who love me and it is well-returned. I would never involve them in this kind of trash.

scratchycat

12-11-2011, 04:27 PM

Amanda, You're so right when you say we're adults and should know how to disagree to disagree in a civilized manner. We've been friends for years and in the past we've disagreed and remain friends. I have no doubt we'll disagree again since our beliefs on certain issues are very different and I'm confident it won't affect our friendship.

If he swore that on a stack of Bibles, I would not believe him Amanda. Time will tell.

scratchycat

12-11-2011, 04:30 PM

It might be strange that I'm posting in this thread since I myself have asked to close it some time ago. Guess what, my prospective change somewhat since then, yet I'm still believing that this thread should be left to die.
I don't claim to be immune from making mistakes and it is of course up to you how you take my message, but below I would like to post for you a definition of the Troll from wikipedia.

Now that Bogdan, would be a good move. We all make mistakes, we are human but some people believe they are above that and consider the rest of us as sheeple (such a stupid word).

scratchycat

12-11-2011, 04:34 PM

Also, a post at RS said I post all over free sources,
actually I post to $1,000 sources, including a blog
system that emails every post I make to 25,000 members daily.
Now I'm going to add a link to Adlandpro at the top of every post there,
every day, because I CAN post every DAY, and it's emailed to all members.

(these are my lyrics, not the actual song!)

Nothin' you can do to make me be untrue
to Adland,
nothin' you can say to tear me away
from my ads!

Like birds of a feather,
we'll stick together,
I'm tellin you from the start,
I can't be torn apart
from Adland!

Yeah, yeah, Kathleen, why would you leave Adlandpro, it is the best thing you have going for those scams of yours, oh wait, you just take their money and make more for yourself. How can that be a scam!!??

scratchycat

12-11-2011, 04:37 PM

RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/11/2011 3:51:59 PM
Hello Peter and fellow adlanders, I sincerely hope everyone is having a great day. I just wanted to add a quick note before Peter locks this thread again.
I have enjoyed the kinder, more gentle atmosphere we have been experiencing for the last several weeks but I have also noticed something else that is troubling. If we are going to have a warm and friendly community, that when new people come here they will want to stay and be a part of it, then we are going to have to accept the fact that our friends are going to be friendly with people we may not necessarily approve of or want to interact with. We have people here from all walks of life and there are going to be those we may not like or that may rub us the wrong way and vice versa. Those of us that want to make this a great community are going to have walk the talk. There are those here that I have disagreed with but that does not mean I can not be cordial to them and I will if they let me but I don't want anyone telling me who I can or can not be friends with. If any of you are guilty of that, I hope you rethink your position and let everyone make up their own mind who they choose to be friends with and interact with, since everyone here is an adult and should be able to make up their own mind.

Hope everyone has a wonderful week.

Sincerely,

Evelyn
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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/11/2011 4:49:16 PM
Hi Peter and Everyone,

I'd also like to post while this thread is still open, I'm writing an article about my early experiences with Adlandpro Classifieds for the several years before this Community was created. There are many ways that the advertising area has always been of higher quality than other ad sources, and now many other places are just trying to catch up in one of those ways, but they are all a decade behind and they think they have a new big idea that's always been here since 1998. (This isn't the article, LOL it's almost turning into it!)

I also agree with Mary Evelyn, I've never seen the point in adults saying, "if you're friends with so&so then I won't be your friend"...that's a very 3rd grade behavior. If you don't like whoever else, don't lose your current friend because they have another friend who you don't want to be buddies with. geez. People have things in common with other people, some are really fun to talk to about goofy junk, some make more logical sense to us than others, some people have an exuberant addiction to advertising, whatever we find in other people that we like, is nobody else's business.

The same can be said about advertisers, I just said that...they are people, too :) If advertisers have focus and stay in the ad forums and are not bothering anyone, then they should not be bothered either. There's room in this community for everyone to do their own thing and if they are doing it where they're allowed to, then it's nobody's place to complain.

If I finish my article about the historically "different and better" since before the turn-of-the-century Adlandpro Classifieds within the next few hours, I'll post it here.

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/11/2011 6:29:22 PM
I may add more to this later, it's my "nearly 14 year" review:

*****

Adlandpro Free World Classifieds: What's Always Been Different And Better?

Here are just a few of the free benefits that impress me the most about Adlandpro Classifieds since it was created in 1998 and even more now as we near 2012:

1. We can geo-target and category-target our ads for free, no extra charge, always.

2. We can choose to be notified by email when people click through our ads to visit our sites, and if they are an Adlandpro member, their link is provided to us in that notification so we can easily contact them, these great benefits have also always been free.

3. We can choose to have our contact info from our profile automatically included with our ads.

I've been an affiliate of Adlandpro Classifieds since 1998, it's one of the first ad sources I used, and other sources didn't bring in as much traffic. Now over a decade has passed, the internet is filled with unlimited advertising sites and most of them still don't offer geo-targeting or category-targeting, and some are just starting to offer geo-targeting as if it's a new idea, and charging extra for it. Most ad sites also don't notify us by email when people click through our ads to visit our sites.

I've continued to get longterm visitors to my ads, I recently got a visitor from an ad I posted over a year ago. Adlandpro Classifieds can provide very longterm traffic.

I'm writing this especially for people who've never used Adlandpro Classifieds, or have used it and don't realize the impact of these FREE benefits, so they will be more aware of what Adlandpro has offered for nearly 14 years that other classified ad sites don't offer. That's why Adlandpro Free World Classifieds has been a mainstay of internet marketers since the turn of the century for marketers who recognize high quality advertising.

These sound like small simple issues, they are very important, these are free benefits that Adlandpro Classifieds has ALWAYS offered, and can help you to more easily gain leads and signups for your businesses.

Adlandpro Classifieds has always given us the free options to find leads in the areas that are best for our businesses, and to easily have communications between advertiser and visitor.

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/11/2011 6:33:34 PM
Here are the banners I made for Adlandpro about 12 years ago, maybe longer than that:

The banners are below, but here's how to find them in this labyrinth, if you want to take a trip and get lost, actually how to find your affiliate link with the banners:

Click the "Affiliates" tab near the top of this site....then "Affiliate Custom Page" on the left side,
then scroll down to the banner area, and above the first banner, look for "Extra images can be found on this page" and click the "page" link!

YAY!

Then you'll find my bannersss...from the late 1990's: These are for the advertising area, that was The Adlandpro for 6 years before this community was created in 2004, the Classifieds brought me lots of traffic, more than other sources:

It's great when I still sometimes see my banners being displayed online by other people!

That's called "longterm".

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/11/2011 8:24:24 PM
Hi Evelyn & Kathleen,

I certainly agree that no one has the right to tell others who to b friends with in the community and that's true offline as well. We know that in the past this was happening and as a result misunderstandings happened more often then not. This was mostly behind the scenes activity cos it would look bad to write about it in public. Those that allowed themselves to be influenced by others basically lost the opportunity to meet some interesting people and interact with them.

When I read your post in a way it reminded me that when a couple gets married each has friends from their past and there is an attempt to meld them into a friendship with their spouses. Sometimes it works out well and sometimes it doesn't. I know I remained friends with people that my wife didn't click with and the opposite was true too. I never thought for a moment thought to tell her to drop them as friends and my wife felt the same way about it. In some cases the friendships lasted a lifetime and in some they dwindled into people we contact from time to time. There were a few instances when first impressions changed over the years and the friendship became a common one for both of us.

Kathleen, very interesting history lesson about Adland. During the period I was marketing online I used the classified ads and did get good hits on the ads.

I must say that I had planned a different post before locking this forum up again. I had prepared a post about delusions and decided after reading both your posts to maintain the positivity and leave the delusion post for another day.

Shalom,

Peter

P.S. Tomorrow morning I'll lock this thread up around midnight Eastern time.

Peter Fogel

Oh no!! Just when I was getting so much more information!!

scratchycat

12-11-2011, 04:43 PM

Hello Peter, Evelyn and Kathleen,

I must agree with all three of you. The motto should be "Live and Let Live". I thank God for creating each of us different because life would be pretty boring, but also giving us the intelligence to know how to relate to one an other without causing ill feelings (at least to some of us). I no longer do any marketing but cudos to the one that does and I wish them all the success in the world.
I do remember the good times we had on Alp at one time, the games we played with Monica were so awesome, to me it was the best therapy I could of had, but here again some people could not stand the happiness around and had to destroy it. I'm so glad that Admin finally saw the light and realize who the perpetrators really were.
I truly value everyone's friendship, may God bless and keep you all in his Grace.
Shalom

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/11/2011 9:27:24 PM
Hi Peter,

Glad you liked the review/article!

I just checked my Facebook messages from a few weeks or a month ago, and I'd also like to leave this thread on a positive note, and we'll just agree that some people are delusional. Suffice it to say that FB message started last month with a person, another co-admin of AIF actually forgetting had removed themself from my FB friendship list last year and accused me of removing recently...LOL...(I don't lift a finger to make the clicks to remove) and then the message I just read, that I had left unread for weeks, accused me of continuing harassment on FB just for replying even tho I hadn't started that message, as if I'm supposed to sit here and put up with unsolicited messages telling me not to dare reply or be reported to FB AND Alp admin...sheesh!...and person was going to contact admin of HERE (alp) about the fact that I replied THERE. Okay, now let's keep it positive and all go post some classified ads! :) People need to keep their Admins straight, ALP admin is only for HERE, and FB Admin is for THERE, and AIF co-admins are just FB users who started a page there. The AIF co-admin who edited my ALP forum and typed in from "Admin" was NOT an admin of ALP. Instruction booklets on Admin of different sites needed? Where's Rodney King because we need to all just get along!? :) Here, there, everywhere, if anyone does NOT want a REPLY at FB, that's simple, just don't send me a message there, and if anyone removes THEMSELF from my friendship list, remember they did that THEMSELF, try to remember it a year later. LOL!

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You guys do need to get your FACTS straight but nevermind when everything you say/type comes out twisted, wouldn't make much difference. However, I do wish to thank all of you for missing me so much as to continue with the memories. Now there is one song for your Kathleen, a little old for your memory probably but "Memories are Made of This", something like that an old Perry Como maybe. Too far back for me right now would take a Google search. :RpS_smile:

scratchycat

12-11-2011, 04:51 PM

hyp·o·crite /ˈhɪpəkrɪt/ Show Spelled[hip-uh-krit] Show IPA
noun
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

Now you know when these statements are made about a person you have never seen, met, or even talked to face to face; cannot be taken seriously. You accused me of being a rah, rah person, always telling others how good they were and complimenting them, giving encouragement, now you call me this. You made fun of my sweetness and honesty. :duh:

scratchycat

12-11-2011, 04:53 PM

positive note, and we'll just agree that some people are delusional.

I believe someone referred to that as being you Kathleen!:loser:

scratchycat

12-11-2011, 04:58 PM

I do remember the good times we had on Alp at one time, the games we played with Monica were so awesome, to me it was the best therapy I could of had, but here again some people could not stand the happiness around and had to destroy it. I'm so glad that Admin finally saw the light and realize who the perpetrators really were.

Sorry, Gaby, but the only light bulb going on is your imagination, who were the perpetrators?? All I remember is your group trying to destroy all the beauty and happiness by ridiculing what others were trying to do.

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12-11-2011, 06:35 PM

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again

12/11/2011 10:08:13 PM

Hi Amanda & Peter & all,
I'd like to know if anyone else has been control-freaked by any of the AIF co-admins, anywhere? On any site or in messaging? I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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What a complete lunatic! She thinks she is being control freaked??? How much education does this ditzy lady have? Has she had a mental health check lately? No one is controlling her in any way. She is one of many promoting an obvious scam and polluting the forums at Adlandpro. She helped to make it the cesspool it is today! She should be thrilled. Any decent people are being run off and she and her fellow scammers have control of what's left of the joint. LOL!!!!!

Soapboxmom

Whip

12-11-2011, 07:50 PM

I don't see any of your family jumping in to help you out Kathleen. I have a lot of family and friends who love me and it is well-returned. I would never involve them in this kind of trash.

Ha ha ha ha. he really has nothing that he has to resort to this crap after all the empty threats of lawsuits. He is quite the loser.

Whip

12-11-2011, 07:57 PM

Lil Ol' Radical Me

12-12-2011, 06:19 AM

It seems that nothing has changed at warm and fuzzy AdlandPro. Vindictive personal attacks continue, people change sides more often than they change their underwear and the (un) enforcement of the ToS is still one of it's most outstanding features. The site still has no proper recognizable moderators for each section (heaven forbid they get paid) and the place is still full of attention seeking drama queens fighting it out for page views and pride of place in the Sadland heirachy. Meanwhile it's owner continues to add to his coffers $$ through the promotion of illegal businesses, get rich quick schemes" and porn. Plus ça change, plus c'est la meme chose

The most amusing thing I have read is Bodgan Fiedur's advice to his members "This is what I have learned first hand and in my opinion whenever you are responding to trolling, you are just putting gasoline on the fire. Troll can only feed on negative energy. When you show distress, troll is happy." He should have read the Julian Wieder / Howard Kenedy / AdlandPro thread here before he posted. lol and taken his own advice LOL Maybe he should come out of his cocoon and read something on the internet that wasnt written by himself or his henchmen, it could provide him with a real education on how to make money ojn the internet.

Scratchy, personal attacks on the internet by people with their own agendas who sit behind their computers in their PJs are always unpleasant and can be hurtful and AdlandPro has always been an uncontrolled hotbed of activity for them, beneath its warm and fuzzy veneer.

However, as you wouldnt want people like that taking up space in your home, dont let them take up space in your head either.

littleroundman

12-12-2011, 06:51 AM

However, as you wouldnt want people like that taking up space in your home, dont let them take up space in your head either.

EXACTLY.

When it comes to dealing with people of that ilk, their opinion of you is none of YOUR business.

scratchycat

12-12-2011, 10:07 AM

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/12/2011 5:08:57 AM
Hi Kathleen,

Interesting last few posts. I must admit that I'm a member of FB but not active there and wasn't aware of the attempts to control outside the community. It doesn't surprise me though taking into account the people involved.

If you think about it these people are to be pitied in the end cos they haven't got the ability to stand on their own and are forever threatening to run to admin here or elsewhere for the most ridiculous things. Personally unless they get dirty about it similar to what happened here I would ignore them.

I wonder why anyone would complain about being removed as a friend. It's the prerogative of the individual who he wants to be friends with. So even if you had removed her and not her removing herself big deal.

Shalom,

Peter

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Hi Amanda & Peter & all,

I'd like to know if anyone else has been control-freaked by any of the AIF co-admins, anywhere? On any site or in messaging? I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again12/12/2011 5:21:01 AM
Hi Amanda,

Yes, I agree. This thread has seen some interesting posts since I reopened it last week but it was never my intention to keep it open for more then a week or so. I used it in order to express my opinion on the positive changes I've noticed over the past month or so in Adland and the reasons for the changes.

Since it's so easy to start new threads here there is no reason to delete anything from this thread. It was started for a purpose and I see no reason to delete the original objective of this thread that the title of the thread explains well. I dislike deletions and I for one won't be a party to it. It is a part of our common Adland history and in my opinion should remain intact.

I would consider starting a new thread if I thought people would be interested in continuing these new conversations.

Shalom,

Peter

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Hello everyone,

This forum has turned out to be an interesting thread since you reopened because there is no particular topic to stick to that I noticed, it has been more of musings and thoughts which has made it kind of unique.

Peter, as a suggestion - do you think you could delete the first few pages up unto the present and rename the Forum to keep it open and operating on its present form?

Amanda
Peter Fogel
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All of you here in Real Scam have offered great advice and I agree with you. To me this has been funny because it is a repeat of what has happened in the past. Those 2 statements by PF could have been copied from some older posts he has made!:RpS_smile: Not active in FB - no, because you are not and never will be a member of Adlanders in FB! You get your info from some of your cronies who are active.

scratchycat

12-12-2011, 10:12 AM

wasn't aware of the attempts to control outside the community. It doesn't surprise me though taking into account the people involved.

If you think about it these people are to be pitied in the end cos they haven't got the ability to stand on their own and are forever threatening to run to admin here or elsewhere for the most ridiculous things. Personally unless they get dirty about it similar to what happened here I would ignore them.

I wonder why anyone would complain about being removed as a friend. It's the prerogative of the individual who he wants to be friends with. So even if you had removed her and not her removing herself big deal.

Now that is so twisted it is ROTHFLO!! They are so confused even they don't know who they are talking about. I remember long time ago I removed Kathleen from my friends in FB because I was flooded with ads. Maybe I should have reported spam! No, I agree this whole thing is a waste of time except for the laughs!

scratchycat

12-12-2011, 10:18 AM

If you want some more trash from that person's forums, here is the best probably. I promise you I don't go there it is so nasty but here you can find some :butt_kisser: going on and some of you might like the jokes. They are not my taste as I could see from the forum comments that popped up.

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Not someone I would ever think of inviting to my house, thank you!!

scratchycat

01-20-2012, 03:37 PM

My thread is back up!! I just love it!!

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RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again1/20/2012 7:51:17 PM
Hello Friends,

I felt the urge to reopen this thread for a while after receiving reliable information that the backstabbing, demented, delusional, disloyal feline has a new career as a gossip columnist and is banging away at her keyboard with her RS gossip posts. Guess her ability as a scam buster is verrrrrrrrrrrrrry limited and and her major objective is revenge and to besmirch AdlandPro, it's owner and the many people she claims harassed her in the past without mentioning why she was called out and others just for the fun of it I guess. What she never was able to comprehend was that she was never attacked but called out cos of her disgusting and nefarious actions against others and she couldn't stand either the truth or the heat.

Now with her demented and delusional mind after being banned from this community she found a home where her rantings and gossip aren't questioned but given credibility with her half truths and innuendos.

This past week she even started a website of her own where finally she's the "boss" and can post all the gossip her sick mind can think of lies, allegations, innuendos etc. If anyone is thinking of posting there do so only if you agree with her sick, demented and delusional posts cos if you don't you'll automatically be banned and your posts deleted.

IMO her actions and posts are evidence of a very sick obsessive and jealous person. Some would "forgive" and "love" her cos love is the answer according to them but they got and get no love in return even though the untrustworthy, backstabbing and disloyal feline always claimed to love everybody and said of herself what a loving and good person she is, in her delusional mind of course.

This thread was started when she was called out on one of her unwarranted attacks on others and when they responded to the unjustified attacks their posts were deleted and she then banned them from her forums. Consequently threads of this sort came into being to show the truth and not her delusional and demented picture of the truth.

It now appears she's giving others advice on how to behave and distort the truth. I'd say it takes a very impressionable and not very bright person to take advice from someone who in the past used her backstabbing tactics against her and they were viciously attacking each other. Now they are bosom buddies. Maybe this person with her jumbled mind and posts will join the delusional obsessive backstabbing feline in her new homes and become her partner with the gossip column. It appears as if the delusional backstabbing feline gossiper is now even ghost writing for this "new friend" who was her enemy in the past. :)

Should one pity the feline's rampant jealousy and obsessive behavior? I think not cos her main objective now is to harm others with her gossip and the list of people she's "gossiped" about is endless (see partial list below). Friends in the past are now on her gossip list but alley cats were never know for loyalty. What does come to mind is the old song in the below video. Her actions, words and overall obsessive behavior is a sign that she's singing herself to sleep with this song every night after popping a few antidepressants........ and the sooner it really happens the better.

Shalom,

Peter

This is a partial list of names of those appearing in her gossip posts in the RS site and in the new site that she started. In honesty I must add that a mad dog of an Englishwoman (also banned from Adland) is a partner in the gossip fest with a supposed scam buster persona along with delusional theories about who different people are and who realy runs AdlandPro (quite funny).

Kathleen Van Beekom
AdlandPro
Bogdan Fideur
Luis Miguel Gotizolo
Roger MacDivitt
Mary Evelyn Simpson
Jim Allen
Peter Fogel
Jill Bachman
Myrna Ferguson
Maurice Bernier
Elaine Wolff
Ken Wolff
Steve Wills
Michael Clayton
Katrina Oakley
Mattias Kroon
Frank Lefebre
Michael Caron

There are others but these are the names that come to mind and now for the demented, delusional alley cat's nightly lullaby.

scratchycat

01-20-2012, 03:44 PM

And never fear here come the lipsmacking, high dealer, scam leader...

RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again1/20/2012 8:15:43 PM
Hi Peter,

Here are some ironic issues, she had a free Adlander Plus membership given to her by Admin for approximately 18 months from May 2010 until October 2011, worth about $25 per month, a total of around $450 in free forums and other goodies such as Direct Contact messaging to 6,000 per month and other benefits. She gained her fame here, including featuring her own artwork, one of which was a topless portrait of herself posted at her forum last year, while now she posts about some sales ad for used underpants from Australia? LOL.

Now to smear this place where she had $450 worth of free promotional services and a daily worldwide audience...hmm....

...and to yack about cyber-bullying while trying to belittle YOUR appearance, and also to say the "elderly" are being attacked in the Coffee Klatch forum about Singsnap, ummmm...you and the owner of Coffee Klatch are both also in your late 60's.

It's all so ridiculous.

Kathleen you are so full of BS. Nothing you say is the truth. Maybe we should give you another name, Casey Anthony.

I WISH that had been a self-portrait of me!!!! Since I have been small-breasted all my life wow that would have been great!! You have no idea what you are talking about you just like to type. Also, you must be kissing up to the boss to have all that secure information. Are you running the POTW now!!?? Adlandpro is at its lowest.

At least I got you guys talking about me and not picking on a defenseless person. You don't bother me anymore, I just advertise so everyone will know how cruel you people are.

scratchycat

01-20-2012, 03:46 PM

RE: The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again1/20/2012 8:26:15 PM
In addition to that, she tries to make fun of your appearance at a site where none of the regulars use their own photos. Curiouser and curiouser. It truly IS the height of hypocrisy.

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WRONG AGAIN!!!

Here and on my website I posted his mug. You think 60 is too old for love!! Some of the adult seniors around could tell you some facts of life!!!:RpS_love:

scratchycat

01-20-2012, 03:48 PM

Anybody else got any good jokes!!!

Bogdan who is in charge of that stinking place!!??

scratchycat

01-20-2012, 04:18 PM

May I please bore you with a little more documented evidence of this troublemaker called Peter Fogel? It makes no difference to me and he can say all those words about me he wants to, he & his gang just continue to help bring down that Scamland. Right now this is helping because it is calling attention away from the GET RICH QUICK schemes. Peter must be hooked on some woman's coattail to cash in on a few dollars or perhaps is a silent partner in some of the nasty businesses.

He, Jim Allen, and poor Ana Marie ruled the roost during 2007 and hurt a lot of people. He was in his glory. Here is just one excerpt from a PUBLIC forum where he came out with his malice:

Re: Georgios VS JoAnne -TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN
2/15/2009 10:19:07 PM

Hello Georgios,

I had prepared a different post then the one I am going to post now. I will relate to each point where you mentioned my name and state that the way you worded YOUR post is misleading and the answers I give now will be the last time I discuss this matter with you.

You wrote:
JoAnne Green and Peter Fogel, two AdLandPro POTW awarded members, meaning they are something special, beloved by the community and responsible to make this place better, tried to mislead the whole community by telling you that I am an e-banking scammer and I am he who reported JoAnne’s forums for improper information!
The last first. No where did I mention that you reported JoAnne's forums. Here are the exact words I used and you "assumed" wrongly that I thought it was you.
BTW, did you know that 2 of your Town Crier threads have been reported bor abuse? Now how funny is that? 3-From Adland Town Crier -- Notification of A Veiled Threat on AdlandPro -- What To Do If You Feel That Your ID, Credit Cards and Bank Accounts May Be Compromised | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/1189404/3/ShowThread.aspx)
How far is that from saying it was you. That is the only public mention made on that issue. In a private chat I told you that I knew it wasn't you but had suspicions of 2 that probably did. That was a misleading statement you made.
Never anywhere did I say you were an e-banking scammer. Find it and show it to me. Another misleading statement.
You wrote: I also informed JoAnne and Peter to follow this forum and to know how our common friends feel about their friendly attack on me. This is the PM I received from you:
From Georgios Paraskevopoulos: Your opinion counts
Date:
2/8/2009

I have chosen you from JoAnnes list.
Please go and tell your opinion. No replies. Nobody will know who and how he voted. This will be sent to 100 friends of JoAnne's.
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Kindly regards
Georgios

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That is a far cry from what you wrote in your post now. Another misleading statement. BTW, when you post a thread it goes to all the members of your forum and your friends so the 630 views when we chatted earlier and the now 721now is comprised of your friends too. And you said you only communicated with 100 common friends so again a misleading statement.
As to the people that reported you to the various authorities I will only say I wasn't one of them.
You wrote:
During this week I made about 70 new friends in AdLandPro. I don't think they know about this dispute and if they know they don’t believe in what Peter and JoAnne want them to believe on me.
Georgios, Those that know me in the community know I will be polite when I post but I won't mince words when I believe something has to be said. As I mentioned earlier I never said you were an e-scammer nor that you reported JoAnne's forums. Find it if you can. You know this and yet yet you mislead with outrageously misleading statements. The only people enjoying this are the attention seekers and pity mes and we all know who they are.
I will say this though about your example and your poll as well. The example was a terrible one and can be understood as a veiled threat. Your poll had 4 options and only one was favorable to you. It was worded not well and it appears that you had an agenda in advance namely the above misleading post. You reached the following conclusion from the results of the poll:
It is clear to me that in the eyes of our common friends I am not a trustable person either as a threat for e-banking cheats or person who hits his friends behind their back.
It is impossible to do a serious statistical analysis of a poll with 31 votes and at the time we chatted there were 630 views and now 721 and probably more by the time I post this. The poll ends at midnight so it might change in anycase. Especially when the poll voting options were one sided to begin with 75% negative and only 25% positive. That is less then 5% of the views and that is what you based your conclusions on? I read earlier that friends of yours stated that they didn't vote and they would have voted option 4. There are plenty others that probably felt te same. One final point on this issue. You will probably be surprised to read this but in the close group of Joanne's friends there were those that voted option 4. I know this from personal knowledge.
You see Geo, you mislead all the time in your "To Whom It May Concern". I didn't lose in the other dispute. I still firmly believe my allegations were true and so do many others. I stated then that for me it was a closed issue and here you are reopening it. As to my BTW, read it again Geo. I thought it was funny then and I still do. Do you want another BTW? In regard to the "other" dispute I know what your thoughts on that matter are too.
When the issue with deleted post started on the last night of the POTY poll 2 things happened.
1. The POTW team immediately resigned both publicly and I sent a PM to Bogdan to that affect right after the announcement in the POTY thread. So Bogdan (admin) didn't discharge us it was of our own volition.
2. I removed myself from the POTY contest.
I also sent Bogdan a PM explaining why I removed myself and that Pauline is the winner.
Everything above is documented and can be found in the POTY thread and the PM I sent Bogdan he posted when he announced Pauline was the 2008 POTY.
Gang of four? Interesting, the only gang I see now is a gang of one (with background supporters) that is trying to get his revenge with misleading statements.
I see Joanne and Peter all the time. Well I'll tell you this Geo. I gave you my recommendation in our chat just before you posted the above J'Accuse. I read your reasons why this is a problem for you in the chat and I can understand your fears. I can also understand Bogdan's concern.
I will tell you this. Just as you asked me when we made our truce/peace just last month that I ask Joanne to delete her thread my reply then was that JoAnne is a strong independent woman. She will do as she sees fit and will not be swayed by attempts to convince her to do anything against her will. The same in this case. If Joanne sees fit to delete her threads that is her choice. It is not my place nor have I the right to tell her what to do. I can tell her what my opinions are and she will in the end do as she sees fit and/or as her attorneys advise her to do.
My conclusion is different from yours. I believe that this act was planned in advance and that includes the poll (the options and wording is enough for a discerning reader to see that). I guess you want your revenge and I wonder if it might not just boomerang right back at you.
As I told you in our chat last night (our time) my belief is that you are going about this in the wrong way and it most probably could have been resolved in a different manner.
Shalom,
Peter

It continued through 8 pages and Georgios closed the forum but it is still there. Some of the worst ones have been removed. One by the owner herself before she left never to return to Adland.

Whip

01-20-2012, 04:20 PM

And never fear here come the lipsmacking, high dealer, scam leader...

Kathleen you are so full of BS. Nothing you say is the truth. Maybe we should give you another name, Casey Anthony.

I WISH that had been a self-portrait of me!!!! Since I have been small-breasted all my life wow that would have been great!! You have no idea what you are talking about you just like to type. Also, you must be kissing up to the boss to have all that secure information. Are you running the POTW now!!?? Adlandpro is at its lowest.

At least I got you guys talking about me and not picking on a defenseless person. You don't bother me anymore, I just advertise so everyone will know how cruel you people are.

Nothing on that place is worth $25/month.

scratchycat

01-20-2012, 04:22 PM

That was the year 2007, they gang tried to get Peter elected as POTTY of the year by fake accounts voting and waiting until midnight to have Ana Marie vote with a friend's account. They got caught!!!

Peter and Jim have continued to harass and bully me and several others since that time. I take no credit for catching them in the act because I don't stay up that late.

I realize the best way to handle a bully is ignore them. Well these goons need exposed to the whole world and maybe someday they will learn a lesson. I doubt it but nothing like trying.

scratchycat

01-20-2012, 04:24 PM

scratchycat

01-20-2012, 04:29 PM

From this same forum, here comes the big bully Jim Allen, now isn't he the nice one??

Okay Geo,
I have to ask that you expound on the following:
PETER, ANAMARIA JIM AND JOANNE
Thanks to God that some of us had eyes opened. God saw what you and some of your friends were doing and STOPPED you. What worse than have an Admin discharging you as no trustful. This reminds me the Gang of Four Radical faction that tried to seize power 1976 in China.
Exactly what does this blasphemous statement mean? And to set the record straight Admin has not discharged me from anything. You need to read the historical documentation still in place.
I saw you and Patricia B. start this pissing contest and resigned myself from the POTW Awards Team in same thread. My plans were to resign after the POTY anyways and ADMIN was aware of this, thank you. Continued accusations of wrongdoing on my part shall not be tolerated and an apology expected.
Sincerely,
Jim Allen III
PS: I voted in the Poll too. As someone that knows you and your problems. I saw your post as mostly bluster, and no real threat. However to someone that does not know you, your irrational behavior could be construed as threatening.
PPS: As for complaints on threads and forums, we had that data available at one point and time. There is historical documentation to show who "snitches" the most. Discern for yourself. ;-)

May Wisdom and the knowledge you gained go with you,
Jim Allen III

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scratchycat

01-20-2012, 04:37 PM

Peter Fogel was on the judging committee that helped decide which forum won and that forum was awarded cash as a result. He manipulated that as much as he could and was outraged when my forum won. I was not even at home when this happened and did not know what was going on but I did not receive any prize money for that one because closed the Best Forum Award with that.

As result to the above six hours later I blocked JoAnne from my forum and I blocked and deleted Peter from all kind of contacts, because what his is doing right now together with his closes friends is to spread hate and fear to intimidate to all our Islamic friends. This kind of posts should immediately stop. I don't share his ideas and the best for me and the community is to stay away form him. What he is doing is against the rules of this community. He is behind all kind of failures lately and he is the one who instructs some of his friends how to work and act to his favor to make him a King but he did not expect me and some other friends to react and expose all this fraud in this community. He was thrown out from the BFA Judging Committee*, thrown out from the POTW Administration and technically forced out by accepting a resignation from the POTY after we announced a warning to all members for a cheat in the contest. He is now libeling all those who dared to say their meaning in this case. Both of them are unconsicously proud and egocentric to accept their failure.

* A month back Peter told my "in secret" in a skype chat that he was a member in the BFA Judging committee.

Are you beginning to see a picture rise out of this stink?? A person who likes to control other people.

scratchycat

01-23-2012, 02:46 PM

To visit or even pass by Adlandpro makes one want to go and take a bath, ugh!!

Kathleen Vanbeekom 1/22/2012 5:14:12 AM (yesterday), Kathleen Vanbeekom wrote:
Amanda, You can get product-labels from Vista Print, I ordered some a couple weeks ago and they were $3.99 for 12 (around size 2 inch x 4 inch or something like that) but the shipping was over $7....
in Mary Evelyn's Koffee Klatch in A casual social gathering for coffee and conversation

Kathleen Vanbeekom 1/21/2012 11:55:06 PM (yesterday), Kathleen Vanbeekom wrote:
I remember a couple years ago I had communications with her and advised her NOT to remove people from her friendship list because of possible retaliation, I told her it's not worth the couple click...
in The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again in The Meshugeneh Reality

Kathleen Vanbeekom 1/21/2012 11:47:10 PM (yesterday), Kathleen Vanbeekom wrote:
Thanks, Amanda! The second time I won, there was only one other contestant, otherwise there only would have been 1 entry if I hadn't entered. No appreciation for actually making her Picture Conte...
in The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again in The Meshugeneh Reality

Kathleen Vanbeekom 1/21/2012 10:07:09 PM (yesterday), Kathleen Vanbeekom wrote:
Hi Peter, Those are my 2 photos that won the Picture Contest last year, this photo and the one at the bottom of the previous page. If a contest owner is offering a prize, it should be given, if a...
in The Hypocrite In Chief Is At It Again in The Meshugeneh Reality

Now she is back to whining about not getting a prize for winning in the little picture contest I had going on, they are digging from the bottom. Here is your prize Kathleen and it was sent to you in your email and posted in the forum. The suggestion of this award as a prize came from Bogdan Fiedur as he said this is what they do in the Polish Site. Now go wash your dirty mouth out with soap or something. :RpS_cool:539540

path2prosperity

01-24-2012, 11:21 AM

And, in this latest bullying of a member, he was simply astonished that she made those personal messages PUBLIC!! His little Mary Evelyn said it was against Adland rules and the TOC!! OMG!!! He must have forgotten he was one of the worst to do it!!!

I will do my best to find this post about the woman who was jailed for cyberbullying on Facebook "scratchy." I think it was Eagle who reported it first but it could have been Patrick.The two worst "Krimm mods" Brookie and Wiseowl have given up bullying online since that news was ammounced. All that I can remember is that she was black. Brookie and Wiseowl were white.

If Lynne is not too busy he may help you find the link. I will have it somewhere but one hard disk has been wiped and the other computer needs to be adjusted for local "listed buildings" and National Heritage laws. It was big news so it will soon be recovered.

scratchycat

03-07-2012, 03:26 PM

scratchycat

03-07-2012, 03:30 PM

Here is one of his famous statements and he still uses it with females if they don't agree with him. No wonder his wife left (according to scamland grapevine) and also he is a postman in real life (all heresay) but I really don't care he is just a total vile person and he VOTES!

Re: The Truth The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth

11/19/2008 11:58:05 PM

Hello All,

My good and close friends know that I thought hard and had reservations whether to start this thread or not. In the end I decided to start it for the obvious reason that I was attacked and wasn't able to defend myself but now there are additional reasons that are important to me and here they are.

Interesting things are happening in our community lately that I find hard to comprehend. It seems that many are finding it easier to relate to "pity me" then with the "truth".

Now don't get me wrong I do have pity and compassion for people that have problems, are ill, financial difficulties, defenseless animals, abused people especially children and the list goes on and on.

BUT I have a problem having much pity for people that:

Lie and knowingly misrepresent an issue wrongly attack others in the process and when called on their actions say Pity Me.

Say and this is a direct quote: I try but I really do not like to get into conflicts. Actually, I avoid them at all costs. Comes back to lies cos she actually did start this conflict knowingly and with fore thought apparently knowing the Pity Me will absolve her of all wrong doing and will be forgiven by others.

I have neither compassion nor pity for one that maliciously attacks with lies and supposed proof that proves nothing at all. Taking things out of context knowingly and at the end asks for forgiveness if she offended any one. Once again the Pity Me syndrome comes into effect. Why start the attack to begin with?

I will raise other points in future posts but the original question I asked what is more important TRUTH or PITY. Personally I've always been a seeker of the truth and never understood those that seem to fear the truth. That doesn't negate pity and compassion but that should be reserved for those that deserve it and are not malicious in their actions and deeds and then say Pity Me.

Shalom,

Peter

Don't you worry Peter Fogel, Bogdan Fiedur - you will not have the last laugh.

scratchycat

03-07-2012, 03:31 PM

He is such a lying lowlife...

Soapboxmom

03-07-2012, 03:39 PM

What a bunch of buffoons. Is does totally discredit them.

Soapboxmom

scratchycat

03-07-2012, 03:41 PM

Come join me!!

Justification (http://www.sagariexpressions.com/Discussions/news.html)

scratchycat

03-07-2012, 03:43 PM

What a bunch of buffoons. Is does totally discredit them.

Soapboxmom

You are so right SBM and I hope others will join me in showing the world what they really are!!

scratchycat

03-07-2012, 04:31 PM

Just getting started!!

https://twitter.com/#!/Sara4142

Google: cyberbullying and Adlandpro

Whoo, whooo!!

path2prosperity

03-08-2012, 01:58 AM

This was the message which I received when I tried to log in and find out what the scammers at Scamlandpro were up to this morning. Wouldn't it be nice to get the same message when I get back from work today?

503 Service Unavailable
No server is available to handle this request.

scratchycat

03-08-2012, 09:19 AM

scratchycat

05-14-2012, 11:29 AM

Well they pulled through that one but understand they have changed servers.

CYBERBULLYING is back in full force in Scamlandpro:

President OBAMA Slashing Your Energy Bill... | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2529439/President-OBAMA-Slashing-Your-Energy-Bill.aspx)

You simply CANNOT support President Obama and exist in Scamlandpro OR you could hang in there and let him have it back!! Go for it LaJon!!

Lajon Thomas | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/moremilege.aspx)

I also posted this in little Jimbo's thread:

http://www.realscam.com/f9/12secondcommute-jim-allen111-free-food-free-tools-adlandpro-cyber-bully-902/index3.html

scratchycat

06-27-2012, 11:33 AM

Can you believe it? Peter Fogel of Scamlandpro has revived an old thread where he got all his friends to join him in slamming the kitty kat. Since he only has about one who sticks close now and :butt_kisser: he wanted to show that at one time he had them eating from his hands. I wonder how many of those appreciate the fact that this dirty laundry thread has been dug out of the mothballs and reinstated in this cesspool??

7-The Truth The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/1158163/The-Truth-The-Whole-Truth-And-Nothing-But-The-Truth/7.aspx)

I have posted some of the information from this thread but now I will use it to tell the whole world just what kind of SOCIAL community ADLANDPRO - SCAMLANDPRO really is!!! Look out Twitter, Facebook, world wide web!!!

Cyberbullying is a CRIME!!

Going through some records the other day, I found the message Bogdan wrote me concerning this Bullying Thread that Peter Fogel started against me. When he revived it, he made some statement about me abusing my moderator privileges by removing the thread. I do not share all communications in public but this verifies that I told the truth and Peter lied.

9/12/2010 11:07:12 PM
Hi Sara,

You know how dear is what you are doing here for me and how I appreciate you as a person.
I would not be able to not honor your requests as I know that even if things were not pleasant in regards to you and Peter, it was difficult to act differently than you did in the past exchanges.

I have removed the thread and have not even informed Peter about it.

The reasons are.
1. The thread was in direct violations with our terms.
2. Second the thread was old.
3. I don't want to touch old things which might have no relevance today, yet they will cause more animosity if brought up to the surface. I added the color.

Bogdan

The Bogdan I knew, before his anger made him do some irrational things, would not have revived this trash. He is letting Peter, Jim, all their bad gang rule the place now. I find that rather sad.