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Soapboxmom
10-31-2011, 02:34 PM
Bogdan Fiedur writes:

....I'm talking to my legal adviser and he believes this can
be qualified as cyber-stalking and cyber-bullying.

I will be forced to report this to law enforcement agencies
in your area, #$%^ area and realscam site owner
area.

I'm requesting that within 48 hours you remove all threads
where you have been smearing people ... on Adlandpro.

Should you not comply with this, I will be filing report
with authorities in your area for cyber-stalking
and cyber-bullying.

In addition I'm starting investigation of bringing legal
action against realscam site and you two.

All threads in question have been archived.


Copy of this note is also sent to my legal advisor.
Pardon me, Bogdan. This drivel should have been directed to me in the first place as our members cannot remove or edit anything that has been posted for longer than ten minutes. So, I suggest you cease harassing Realscam forum members and take up your complaints and whining with me.

The people you insist you are going to report to the authorities are scattered all over the world. I assume you can quote the criminal laws in Texas where I live and where these other individuals live and point out this alleged criminal online activity. This should prove endlessly amusing as expressing one's opinion and reading public information cannot possibly be construed as cyber-stalking or cyber-bullying. You certainly have an active fantasy life, don't you lad?

Civil suits will require actual grounds and you will most likely have to file where the defendant resides. Your causes of action are??? Do forward the contact information for this legal adviser you speak of. I assume that is a licensed attorney and that he has lined up local counsel in Texas and beyond?

I take it your biggest gripe is that Kathleen has had her scam thoroughly exposed here and you are afraid the many uneconomic ventures and outright scams advertised on your forum will all be exposed here. The right to free speech is just that. You can promote whatever you want on your site and sing its praises to high heaven and those who wish to come here and express their concerns about your opportunities have every to do so. I will not be removing any posts unless my co-admin or I in our discretion feel it is advisable or there is a legitimate court order in place. I don't take kindly to being bullied or threatened and I will respond very publicly.

I have had all sorts of threats and bogus police reports to deal with. Jack Weinzierl endlessly threatened me and that buffoon Tim Darnell sued me (http://www.realscam.com/f11/jack-weinzierl-threatened-tim-darnell-sued-soapboxmom-heather-dobrott-district-court-lost-summary-judgment-767/). So, now consider that fair warning, Bogdan. From now on all correspondence will go to me and not this forum's valued members and anything you send me could be made public. Every scrap of information from Tim Darnell's losing suits against me and the BBB of Dallas are being posted and anything you file will be splashed all over for public consumption as well. I hope Kathleen's latest scam can take that kind of close scrutiny!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
10-31-2011, 03:56 PM
From: bogdan@softfornet.com
To: soapboxmom@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: RealScam.com - legal action
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 15:15:36 -0500

Hello Heather,

I noticed that you have removed my name, yet my company name
(which is a trademarked entity) hasn't been removed as of now
in spite of me requesting it.

In addition my name appears in several posts, one just created today.
http://www.realscam.com/f9/12secondcommute-jim-allen111-free-food-free-tools-adlandpro-cyber-bully-902/

I was also informed that there are other threads where (***) and (****)
are continually attacking members of the community which I own, from which they
were removed for violation of the community rules including fraud.

Both had issues with other community members and now they are attacking them
and discrediting without any due process.

They are exposing their true names which can be found on our community
and linking them with fabricated stories and accusations. At the same time their names and their identities are protected
by anonymous accounts on your site....

The community members (21 so far) are coming to me and asking for some
actions against these two since their names were exposed due
to being members of my community.

I have no other choice like to enter legal path should these two
continue the distraction and misconstrued content about myself,
my business and my members is kept on your site as their revenge.
Several hours ago I have created this website and haven't announced it
yet to anyone
RealScamClassActionSuit.com (http://realscamclassactionsuit.com/) but I will should you continue
to allow abuse to myself and my business.

I'm also investigating possibility of acts of cyber-stalking and cyber-bullying
of myself and my business by these two and I will be filing reports
with law enforcement in the respective areas should we determine
this be a possible crime.

In addition my lawyer has been provided with the case and I'm
awaiting their analysis and possibility of demanding
repayment of damages from your company.
The posts attacking my company can be found on your site for
about a year since **** was terminated from our site.

I want to also bring to your attention that I'm running several
online business since 1998 and this is first time somebody
is attacking me and people I'm in association with by
to person who has nothing against me but need to get even.
I will be waiting 48 hours for actions to be taken on your part
in stopping this attacks and removing any references to my
name and business adlandpro.com from your site.

Should this be not honored this time, I will engage in full
legal action against your company and these two individuals
and demand repayment of damages.


Regards
Bogdan Fiedur
http://www.adlandpro.com (http://www.adlandpro.com/)


Bogdan,

There is no for profit entity. The site owner has always been anonymous. I am the face of www.realscam.com (http://www.realscam.com) and I am strictly a volunteer. This is an open discussion site where folks are free to express their opinions and post as long as they remain compliant with the rules and guidelines. The site's two active administrators (of which I am one) cannot monitor every posting that goes up. At our discretion we will deal with posts that warrant the attention of an admin.

Folks have very right to discuss individuals that choose to advertise there opportunities publicly on the web. Folks also have very right to express their opinions of businesses. There is no reason that folks can't discuss Adlandpro and share their facts and opinions concerning such. The idea of due process is laughable. Anyone who wishes to register here and respond is welcome to do so. This is a discussion site.

You seem hopelessly confused about what constitutes criminal activity. I am still waiting for you to cite the criminal laws you are braying about. Heavens, didn't Kathleen's hilarious attempt at interpreting existing law (http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit-ez-wealth-solution-533/index9.html#post11785) teach you clowns a lesson?


10-22-2011, 06:43 PM #214

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Re: How legit is EZ Wealth Solution?

http://community.adlandpro.com/Images/light_gray_unlit.pngKathleen (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/5146.aspx)

http://community.adlandpro.com/UserContent/5146/5146Thumbnail.jpg (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/5146.aspx)



Okosh,

In USA...YES site owners ARE responsible for everything that goes on with their sites and CAN BE SUED if anyone posting on their sites causes damage, even emotional damage to another internet user.


Adlandpro is a Canadian site, and the owner here actually DOES terminate peoples accounts or tells them to delete harassment posts, which is a lot more than the American owner of realscam does.
If you don't know American laws about internet usage or site-ownership, then YOU'RE the one who needs to find out all that.




http://www.realscam.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by wserra http://www.realscam.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit-ez-wealth-solution-533-post11667/#post11667)


Bzzt! False. The writer probably ought to take a look at 47 USC 230 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000230----000-.html). In relevant part, it reads: "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." In other words, the "scam site owner" is not liable for what others post. Moreover, since this is a federal statute, it preempts any state law to the contrary.




Barrett v. Rosenthal | Citizen Media Law Project (http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/barrett-v-rosenthal#description)

The district court granted the motion, finding that Rosenthal's statements concerned an issue of public interest within the scope of the anti-SLAPP statute, and that all but one of the alleged defamatory statements were non-actionable statements of opinion. .......

California Supreme Court followed Zeran v. Amercia Online, 129 F.3d 327 (4th Cir. 1997) (http://www.citmedialaw.org/zeran-v-america-online), which also refused to draw a distinction between a "distributor" and a "publisher' for purposes of CDA 230. Both cases are widely regarded as important decisions standing for the proposition that, in the words of Eric Goldman (http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/11/barrett_v_rosen_1.htm), "no one is liable for other people's content online -- period


Opinions are not actionable.

Zeran v. America Online | Citizen Media Law Project (http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/zeran-v-america-online)

The Court of Appeals based its ruling on Section 230(c)(1) of the Communications Decency Act, which states: "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."


The website owner and administrators are not responsible for the content posted by others.

Kathleen, being the brainiac you obviously are, you would have to take on every poster individually with which you think you have an issue. Since opinions are not actionable and you would likely have to sue each defendant where they reside (jurisdiction, brainiac) you should be in for some fun, assuming you are still interested in pursuing this after the much needed brain transplant is completed.

Nothing more charming than a scammer drawing tons of attention to themselves and the crap they are peddling! At least is is somewhat amusing to watch you cook up this utter nonsense!

Soapboxmom





Site owners are not responsible for content. Opinions are not actionable. How certain people feel about a business or individual peddling an opportunity is opinion and they have every right to it. You, Bogdan have nothing more than a serious case of sour grapes that have turned into a lot of whine!!!!

Soapboxmom

path2prosperity
10-31-2011, 04:03 PM
I take it your biggest gripe is that Kathleen has had her scam thoroughly exposed here and you are afraid the many uneconomic ventures and outright scams advertised on your forum will all be exposed here.
Soapboxmom

Well done you SBM.

Fiedur promised Adlandpro members that he would be bringing the full force of the law on to me when that idiot Bernier who advertises his FARCE which is known as (F5Mmillionaires club) on Adland, disliked what I published about him here. Fiedur and Bernier have egg on their faces. I look forward to seeing how much more egg they will have when they try messing with you.

Katleen is small fry. We have made mincemeat out of her. Let's see what we all think of Bernier and his MILLIONAIRES CLUB and have a bigger laugh.

Soapboxmom
10-31-2011, 04:28 PM
RealScamClassActionSuit.com (http://realscamclassactionsuit.com/)


RealScamClassActionSuit.com
The site RealScam.com engages in harboring disgruntled users who then create anonymous accounts on the RealScam site and out of revenge attack members, business owners and individuals accusing them of unproven actions, exposing their full names taken from their place of business or activity. Such unproven accusations cause irreparable damage to the reputation of users who have provided their full names in public places to conduct their business or other social activities.


For example these two members who were identified as Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum have been attacking members of the community they belonged to who they had disagreements with in the past. Out of revenge two other members of the community (who had no online business for several years) were accused of running scam businesses and one being a crook. Other members have been attacked and without any investigation declared as scammers or fabricated facts have been linked to them.


Both (***) and (****) have been terminated from social networking site for multiple cases of breaking of community rules (including fraudulent activity) after which they have started their attacks on the owner and any active members they could. There is possibility that their actions could be qualified as cyber-bullying and cyber-stalking. The possibility of their breaking of both of these acts is now being investigated for the sake of filing reports with authorities against above mentioned members and site owners of RealScam sites in their respective areas.
The RealScam.com appears to be represented by Heather Dobrott.


Site RealScam encourages cyber-bullying and cyber-stalking by allowing the creation of anonymous accounts and by allowing the users to present of unproven accusations towards individuals of their targeted organization.
RealScam instead of contributing to fighting scam encourages cyber-bullying and cyber-stalking and perpetuates the problems which it has allegedly attempted to solve.

If you have been targeted by anonymous users from the RealScamSite.com and would like to join Class Actions Suit against RealScam.com please send us email to following address (support@realscamclassactionsuit.com)support@reals camclassactionsuit.com


Allowing anonymous user accounts is quite common and I see no issue with it here. Law enforcement and legitimate lawsuits can unmask the IP and e-mail addresses of such users when it is in the interest of justice. But Bogdan's online meltdown isn't going to get him anywhere except the Scammers Hall of Fame though.

Trying to silence legitimate critics and bully them is douchebaggery to be sure. If Adlandpro was a place advertising only legitimate businesses and opportunities then they would happily continue with that. But, when there are questionable opportunities and outright scams being promoted then the desparate attempts to silence the legitimate critics seem to get very ugly indeed.

I have been falsely accused of stalking and making death threats by Tim Darnell and Jack Weinzierl (http://www.realscam.com/f11/jack-weinzierl-tim-darnell-fabrications-receiving-death-threats-being-stalked-soapboxmom-heather-dobrott-777/). Broker Jones also fabricated criminal allegations of Scam posters sending e-mails threatening his wife and daughters with rape and death. Numerous scammers including Kathleen have threatened me and the site with legal action. Vincent Wright filed 3 bogus police reports. This buffoonery goes on and on.

The facts speak for themselves. If the Adlanders had legitimate businesses they wouldn't be running around making all sorts of ridiculous threats and accusations. They would be busy working and be generating lots of positive publicity. I take it this site is definitely doing something right judging by this hullabaloo!

Soapboxmom

path2prosperity
10-31-2011, 04:32 PM
Both (Judy Hortin and Sara Gardner Blow) have been terminated from social networking site for multiple cases of breaking of community rules (including fraudulent activity)

So says Bogdan Fiedur. (http://realscamclassactionsuit.com/)

What frauduent activities have I been engaged in Bogdan? I promoted a few autosurfs as a punt. I have never promoted an autosurf as an investment or a serious business opportunity. Are those the fraudulent activities in which you claim that I have been involved in? If you make accusatins like this about me you will need to produce the evidence.

Soapboxmom
10-31-2011, 04:56 PM
Bogdan Fiedur reports that he won't be joining us. He and members of Adlandpro want to threaten frivolous legal actions, but do not want to have a civilized discussion on a site they do not control. Folks who go over to Adlandpro and ask the tough questions get banned and have their posts removed. Posts here aren't likely to be removed or edited. Sorry Charlie.

I have worked with numerous enforcement agencies and I know for a fact they do read these posts. That is one criteria used in deciding what enforcement will be taken when there is not near the funding or staff to shut down all the many scams out there. The more attention something gets online, the more attention that law enforcement is likely to give said fodder of discussions.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
10-31-2011, 05:01 PM
Site RealScam encourages cyber-bullying and cyber-stalking by allowing the creation of anonymous accounts and by allowing the users to present of unproven accusations towards individuals of their targeted organization. RealScam instead of contributing to fighting scam encourages cyber-bullying and cyber-stalking and perpetuates the problems which it has allegedly attempted to solve.


Bogdan Fiedur is for all practical purposes accusing this site and its management of aiding and abetting criminal activity. I suggest that he substantiate that immediately. Again, I demand to know what criminal statutes have been broken. I demand he provide documentation.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
10-31-2011, 05:32 PM
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Soapboxmom

littleroundman
10-31-2011, 09:19 PM
RealScamClassActionSuit.com
The site RealScam.com engages in harboring disgruntled users who then create anonymous accounts on the RealScam site and out of revenge attack members, business owners and individuals accusing them of unproven actions, exposing their full names taken from their place of business or activity.

Ah, so THAT'S why people post here - revenge.

I always wondered why I do it.

Good luck with proving that little piece of insight to the satisfaction of a court.

I can't wait to get into a court room and see Boggie explain how the "actions" are "unproven"

"Your Honour, there I was, innocently promoting a completely legitimate business known as EZWealth Solution and this nasty anonymous poster said my business is illegal and a fraud.

I beg your pardon, Your Honour.......it's 100% legal because

Err, well.......moving on..........Lottery Clubs ARE legal in the USA.........umm.........err.........well.......... .....

OK, forget that, let's go through every "opportunity" presented on AdLand Pro and show EXACTLY how legal they are and how it's critics are wrong

I'm sure the advertisers and promoters won't mind having their businesses discussed in open court, especially with the free publicity they'll get from all those media people over there in the corner"

I look forward to the day.

Soapboxmom
10-31-2011, 09:39 PM
I think Bogdan is busy editing which is just too funny!


If you have been targeted by anonymous users from the RealScamSite.com and would like to join Class Actions Suit against RealScam.com or have any information which could help to enforce some rules in regards to this site, please send us email to following address support@realscamclassactionsuit.com


http://www.realscam.com/f26/rules-guidelines-63/ But, wait we do have rules. Please note this one:

13: If it is not covered by the rules, please use good judgment. The administrators and moderators will also use good judgment and what they decide goes, so please heed any warnings you are given.

In English that means what littleroundman and I decide goes --- period!!! That is in line with the owners wishes.

The rules also state:

7: Sexually oriented language, excessive foul language, threats, porn, hate posts, racist material, violent depictions, libelous, defamatory material and / or any content that the administrators and / or moderators find objectionable will not be permitted and will be edited or removed. Anything that includes or links to porn, threats, child abuse related material, material that encourages any type of criminal activity and the like will be removed and result in an immediate permanent ban.
Let me help you with that as well, Bogdan and company. Libelous and defamatory would be provably false statements of fact. If you have any verifiable documentation then we will have something to discuss. Otherwise our members are free to discuss any topic that interests them and freely share their opinions. Opinions are not actionable. Got it! :whip:

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
10-31-2011, 10:02 PM
RealScamClassActionSuit.com

The site RealScam.com engages in harboring disgruntled users who then create anonymous accounts on the RealScam site and out of revenge attack members, business owners and individuals accusing them of unproven actions, exposing their full names taken from their place of business or activity. Such unproven accusations cause irreparable damage to the reputation of users who have provided their full names in public places to conduct their business or other social activities.
For example these two members who were identified as Judy Hortin (http://www.realscam.com/members/path2prosperity/) and Sara Gardner Blow (http://www.realscam.com/members/scratchycat/) have been attacking members of the community they belonged to who they had disagreements with in the past. Out of revenge two other members of the community (who had no online business for several years) were accused of running scam businesses and one being a crook. Other members have been attacked and without any investigation declared as scammers or fabricated facts have been linked to them.
Both (Judy Hortin (http://www.realscam.com/members/path2prosperity/) and Sara Gardner Blow (http://www.realscam.com/members/scratchycat/)) have been terminated from social networking site for multiple cases of breaking of community rules (including fraudulent activity) after which they have started their attacks on the owner and any active members they could identify. There is possibility that their actions could be qualified as cyber-bullying and cyber-stalking. The possibility of their breaking of both of these acts is now being investigated for the sake of filing reports with authorities against above mentioned members and site owners of RealScam sites in their respective areas.
The RealScam.com appears to be represented by Heather Dobrott.
The RealScam.com doesn't offer any protection for individuals who can be targeted by malicious users of their site and doesn't have privacy statement, which at best can be called unprofessional and deceptive.

Site RealScam encourages cyber-bullying and cyber-stalking by allowing the creation of anonymous accounts and by allowing the users to present of unproven accusations towards individuals of their targeted organization. The RealScam.com turns out to be just a harassment and bashing site with no verification of facts and indiscriminate attacks at anyone who looks like an easy target.
The main admin of the site Heather Dobrott sates that she is only doing this on volunteer bases and has no time to verify each post.
RealScam instead of contributing to fighting scam encourages cyber-bullying and cyber-stalking and perpetuates the problems which it has allegedly attempted to solve.

If you have been targeted by anonymous users from the RealScamSite.com and would like to join Class Actions Suit against RealScam.com or have any information which could help to enforce some rules in regards to this site, please send us email to following address support@realscamclassactionsuit.com

Check this site for new developments as we will be updating it frequently.
Well, I noticed. LOLOL!!!!!

Read what appears at the bottom of each page:

Disclaimer: Opinions expressed on this website are solely those of their respective authors.
Federal law and case law clearly states that the owners are not responsible for what is posted. I have already made the same offer I make to anyone with a concern, Bogdan, which is to look into any issue for which you have verifiable documentation. For the love of mud get a clue! We respect our posters rights to express themselves freely, so why don't all of you quit the sour grapes routine and join our discussions. We don't ban people here for differences of opinion like you folks do. So, what you post will stay up and everyone will be welcome here to share unless the simple rules we have are a problem for you Adlanders. :fly_swat:

Soapboxmom

laidback
10-31-2011, 10:17 PM
Bogdan Fiedur is for all practical purposes accusing this site and its management of aiding and abetting criminal activity. I suggest that he substantiate that immediately. Again, I demand to know what criminal statutes have been broken. I demand he provide documentation.

Soapboxmom
This OPINION is that of the posting individual and not that of Realscam, its' owners, or administrators:

Perhaps Bogdon and the rest of his cyber-victims would like to get together at Adland for a group grope....errr. ummm hug...! I just love these armchair barristers attempts at spouting laws they obviously know nothing about. Criminal Statutes? These intellectual cripples couldn't recognize a criminal statute if it bit them on the tushy,,,!

littleroundman
10-31-2011, 11:33 PM
This OPINION is that of the posting individual and not that of Realscam, its' owners, or administrators:

Perhaps Bogdon and the rest of his cyber-victims would like to get together at Adland for a group grope....errr. ummm hug...! I just love these armchair barristers attempts at spouting laws they obviously know nothing about. Criminal Statutes? These intellectual cripples couldn't recognize a criminal statute if it bit them on the tushy,,,!

But, but, but,

what about that episode of Perry Mason back in the '60s ???

or that time on Law and Order when that woman successfully sued that guy ??

path2prosperity
11-01-2011, 12:04 AM
Libelous and defamatory would be provably false statements of fact. If you have any verifiable documentation then we will have something to discuss.
Soapboxmom

Perhaps "Boggie" would like to start by explaining the reasons why he was forced to ban me from his community for fraudulent activities.

Is THIS (http://www.path2prosperity.com/adlandpro.html) one of the fradulent activities, to which you refer Boggie? Several of your members have told me that it was the publication of that page on my website that got me banned from your community.

path2prosperity
11-01-2011, 02:04 AM
Please can somebody here help me to get rid of the intrusive popup which appears when I visit any Adlandpro web site.

Do any of you have to put up with this pop up. I QUOTE ADLAND PRO.


"Start Your Own 100% Income Business
Starting a business is hard and a lot of work. We know – we’ve built from the ground up a successful and proven business in AdlandPro. But we love to share success here, and so for a limited time, we are opening up our software to you. You can have your own business, based on our tried and tested methods, ready to go out of the box without any of the setup, and you’ll still have all the awesome AdlandPro support you’re used to. And to top it off, you can earn 100% of all sales!
Start your business today! "

I have a pop up blocker on my machine and I have gone to Tools-Options-Privacy sections of Firefox to block adlandpro and community.adlandpro from placing cookies or popups on my machine. It still appears when I visit any Adland Page.

I managed to get rid of Adlandpro spam by reporting the matter to my service provider (Virginmedia) and they suceeded in getting rid of it for me but one of their biggest spammers, an Adlander known as Jef Shelcott stil gets past the Virginmedia block and continues to spam me.

I am going to Putney today to speak to my computer service engineers and I will see if it appears on their Intranet. If it does, I may have some news for you.

littleroundman
11-01-2011, 02:20 AM
Judy,

In Firefox, make sure you have "AdBlock Plus" installed and enabled.

Then, it's a simple matter of left clicking on the "ABP" button which will appear just below the top right hand corner of your Firefox window, and selecting the option you require.

Personally, I block all ads on sites such as Adland, Talkgold and MMG and use NoScript to block any JavaScript, Java, Flash and any other script based adverts which slip past AdBlock.

It only takes a click to disable either AdBlock or NoScript, should the need arise.

Otherwise, I don't see any ads at all on those sites

path2prosperity
11-01-2011, 03:02 AM
Judy,

In Firefox, make sure you have "AdBlock Plus" installed and enabled.

Then, it's a simple matter of left clicking on the "ABP" button which will appear just below the top right hand corner of your Firefox window, and selecting the option you require.

Personally, I block all ads on sites such as Adland, Talkgold and MMG and use NoScript to block any JavaScript, Java, Flash and any other script based adverts which slip past AdBlock.

It only takes a click to disable either AdBlock or NoScript, should the need arise.

Otherwise, I don't see any ads at all on those sites

Thanks LRM. I have NoScript installed on both my computers and "Boggies popup" still gets through. This is a very old computer which I bought in 1997 and I have never had the hard disk on this one wiped clean, so I am not really surprised that some things get passed security. I only use it when the better one is in for repair.

I bought my newer one in 2005. Both are bespoke systems from Digitech Computers in Putney so I will have to speak to them before adding AdBlock. It probably is not (but it could be incompatible with the security which they have designed for their systems.) If I add anything without their approval, my maintainence contract would be invalid. I will let you know if they recommend AdBlock in addition to the security software which they have designed for users of their systems.

littleroundman
11-01-2011, 03:12 AM
Judy,

Do check, but, I'm sure a Firefox addon such as AdBlock Plus will not negate your warranty.

Once installed, all the user has to do is right click on the offending ad,

then click on "AdBlock Plus - block image" from the dropdown menu which appears.

It also gives you to block all ads on any particular site, which means you'll only ever see the occasional ad.

path2prosperity
11-01-2011, 03:28 AM
Judy,

Do check, but, I'm sure a Firefox addon such as AdBlock Plus will not negate your warranty.

Once installed, all the user has to do is right click on the offending ad,

then click on "AdBlock Plus - block image" from the dropdown menu which appears.

It also gives you to block all ads on any particular site, which means you'll only ever see the occasional ad.

I am pretty certain that it will be OK LRM but I must check as I like to wear belt and braces.

scratchycat
11-01-2011, 09:25 AM
Both (Judy Hortin and Sara Gardner Blow) have been terminated from social networking site for multiple cases of breaking of community rules (including fraudulent activity) after which they have started their attacks on the owner and any active members they could identify. There is possibility that their actions could be qualified as cyber-bullying and cyber-stalking. The possibility of their breaking of both of these acts is now being investigated for the sake of filing reports with authorities against above mentioned members and site owners of RealScam sites in their respective areas.
The RealScam.com appears to be represented by Heather Dobrott.
The RealScam.com doesn't offer any protection for individuals who can be targeted by malicious users of their site and doesn't have privacy statement, which at best can be called unprofessional and deceptive.



Excuse me! Where is your proof? I believe this will vilify any accusation you make against me and since you have decided to make this a world wide event, here is your statement to me. Had you supported your good members (ME, for instance) I would never had had to do these things. You have always accused me of being at fault and let these people rip me apart with their vile lies, character defamation, insinuations and I could go on and on. Since you have now named me publically. Here is your own admission of the part I played in your community.


5/18/2010 4:58:16 PM
Thanks Sara,

I have upgraded your account to Adlander Plus. Now you have ability to send more direct messages and to people who are not on your friends list.
You will get new credits at the beginning of each month.

Also I have marked you as a moderator, meaning you will be now able to delete offending posts in any forum.

Please be careful with this as when post is deleted there is no way to determine what really happened in cases when we need to track it.

Use this in cases where you see obvious spam.

Don't act as moderator on the site, meaning don't engage in verbal conversation with users and present yourself as moderator. This will backfire and you will not enjoy being here. This is the experience I have from different site, this is why we use special accounts there which are marked as moderators and are not attached to anyone's name.

Bogdan


5/18/2010 5:00:01 PM
I have upgraded your AdlanderPlus for exactly one year. The system might automatically charge you after one year for this service. Please remind me than about it before.


Also did you get to any specifics with Barry in regards to POTW. I would like to see you around this forum.


Bogdan

In disguise, I helped with the POTW when you told me Barry was very ill and me being the sympathetic person I am - I volunteered to carry on with it until he was better. After getting a bashing there, I exposed my part in helping and never once again supported the forum. No one knew of me being a Moderator until right before I pushed my termination. Some people here knew but NO ONE in Adland knew it until recently and now EVERYONE will know, all thanks to you my ex-friend (as you told me I was no longer a friend of yours).

Many people have tried to tell you that you do not know your own enemies, I totally second that one! They are right under your nose.

Soapboxmom
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RE: If We SEE SOMETHING, We're Going To SAY SOMETHING



10/25/2011 1:55:07 PM




Peter, all I can say is "ditto", you put it very well except for leaving out the part, that my own only transgression and reason for being included in this stupendous thread and ensuing conversation. Was simply "Not a Friend" as a reason. It was time for this WITCHES broom to burn out in flames as she did. (Replace the W in witches, with the first consonant of the alphabet for true meaning) XXXOOO

One thing you should have done was expose the sister advertising sites that RS's owner operates. Give a boost in business where its due.

Kathleen, I suggested to you to ignore these trolls. I also suggested that the "Selling" of "Information", "Digital" Products is a legal way to earn money. Those that can't do it start sites like RS. IMHO

Jim Allen III






Jim, you are completely delusional. The anonymous owner set this site up as a public service. Volunteer consumer advocates donate their time to post here. It is an open discussion site. There is no advertising here and certainly no sister site with advertising. Some people simply have a desire to serve others and exposing uneconomic schemes is part of that. Bogdan perhaps should be addressing the posts on his own site. Aren't you all just charming!

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
11-01-2011, 10:04 AM
I also suggested that the "Selling" of "Information", "Digital" Products is a legal way to earn money.

He's right, of course.

HOWEVER,

what's NOT legal is operating a business which purports to sell "digital products" but, in reality, allows people to make more money by recruiting than by selling the "product" and/or said "products" have little or no real value in the marketplace.

What's more, producing one or two, or even twenty or thirty people who DO sell products does NOT compensate for the fact that hundreds or thousands of people profit largely from recruitment.

It's not just a matter of whether or not people "DO" make the majority of their money by recruiting alone, it's also a matter of whether or not people "CAN"

I.O.W. it's up to the company to ensure there are procedures in place to prevent the possibility of "recruitment-only" participation or mainly-recruitment-only earning.

Whip
11-01-2011, 10:50 AM
Don't act as moderator on the site, meaning don't engage in verbal conversation with users and present yourself as moderator. This will backfire and you will not enjoy being here. This is the experience I have from different site, this is why we use special accounts there which are marked as moderators and are not attached to anyone's name.
Any normal messageboard does not have these problems. There are plenty of moderators and admins, and are known as such, that participate with no issues at all. So he's banning/deleting under an anonymous name? Say it isn't so! lol. tool.


(Replace the W in witches, with the first consonant of the alphabet for true meaning) Ha ha ha ha. What a child.


Kathleen, I suggested to you to ignore these trolls. But if they ignore themselves as he suggests, who will they talk to?

Soapboxmom
11-01-2011, 11:55 AM
Let's take a look at Bogdan's update:

Following articles might be of interests if you have been slandered by this site or if some of the anonymous users there engaged in defamation against you.



The CDA, cyber-racketeers, the DMCA, and changes to Section 230 by Domingo Rivera (http://cyberlawyerblog.com/2008/11/26/the-cda-cyberracketeers-the-dmca-and-changes-to-section-230-by-domingo-rivera.aspx)
Internet Bloggers Beware: Ohio Court Lands Another Blow Against Those Engaging in Internet Defamation (http://cyberlawyerblog.com/2008/05/01/internet-bloggers-beware-ohio-court-lands-another-blow-against-those-engaging-in-internet-defamatio.aspx)
Internet Defamation Law - Website owners and bloggers beware - The latest interpretation of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (http://cyberlawyerblog.com/2008/04/04/internet-defamation-law-and-qualifying-as-a-service-provider--the-latest-interpretation-of-section-230-of-the-communications-decency-act.aspx)




Duh, Bogdan let's explore this further. Your hero lawyer defined defamation for you:
Internet Defamation Lawyer | Rivera Tech Law (http://www.cyberdefamationlawyer.com/)

What is Internet Defamation?

Internet Defamation is a negative false statement of material fact published on the Internet.
A false statement of fact. I tell everyone who complains to the site to identify such statements and forward verifiable documentation to refute such statements. For the millionth time opinions are not generally actionable.


For example, recently we handled a case involving anonymous attacks against a medical doctor. These attacks were provided as "patient reviews."
....We won the hearing and discovered the identity of the anonymous author of the defamatory Internet posts. It turned out that the author was a competing doctor engaged in a "turf war."

The internet comments were not only untrue in the case cited, but made by a direct competitor with an economic incentive to attack. How does that compare to volunteer consumer advocated expressing their opinions, Bogdan?

That lawyer continues on another page of his site:

Don't forget what happened when Toys "R" Us sent a cease and desist letter to the operators of the website Roadkills-R-Us alleging "likelihood of confusion." Rather than folding to Toys "R" Us demands, Roadkills-R-Us created a satirical website about the litigation. Before threatening, make sure that you are in good legal standing and that you are ready to follow through... otherwise, the cease and desist notice that was meant to stop the defamation will be a source of Internet ridicule for your business.

Soapboxmom

laidback
11-01-2011, 12:13 PM
Darn...if only on-line gambling weren't illegal in the US, we could get a wager pool going on:
1. Whether any of these "victims" can present any evidence to law enforcement to support the accusations they're making,
2. Whether any of them have the fortitude to file a complaint in civil court, and if so,
3. The odds that their efforts would survive the discovery phase...!
My "opinion" is NO, on all of the above...!

path2prosperity
11-01-2011, 12:48 PM
QUOTE Fiedur.

"Both (Judy Hortin and Sara Gardner Blow) have been terminated from social networking site for multiple cases of breaking of community rules (including fraudulent activity and hate letters) after which they have started their attacks on the owner and any active members they could identify. "

Spit it out Bogdan! WHAT FRAUDULENT ACTIVITIES have I been engaged in?

Soapboxmom
11-01-2011, 12:56 PM
Bogdan is quite the case. He give Sara the job as a moderator, but he admonishes her to keep it a secret. Bogdan chose to give her the job. If he didn't like the way she was performing all he had to do was remove her privileges. I don't see what starting this war between the sites has accomplished. He has banned those members he wanted to be rid of. I don't see what makes him think he has the right to dictate how this forum is run. I will only respond to legitimate complaints. He has yet to substantiate anything.

Discovery in a civil case is mountainous and if he should be proven to have filed a groundless case or one in bad faith Texas has very good laws concerning that.


§ 10.001. SIGNING OF PLEADINGS AND MOTIONS. The signing of a pleading or motion as required by the Texas Rules of Civil Procedure constitutes a certificate by the signatory that to the signatory's best knowledge, information, and belief, formed after reasonable inquiry: (1) the pleading or motion is not being presented for any improper purpose, including to harass or to cause unnecessary delay or needless increase in the cost of litigation; (2) each claim, defense, or other legal contention in the pleading or motion is warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for the extension, modification, or reversal of existing law or the establishment of new law; (3) each allegation or other factual contention in the pleading or motion has evidentiary support or, for a specifically identified allegation or factual contention, is likely to have evidentiary support after a reasonable opportunity for further investigation or discovery; and (4) each denial in the pleading or motion of a factual contention is warranted on the evidence or, for a specifically identified denial, is reasonably based on a lack of information or belief.
So Bogdan and his attorney could be slapped with all the costs of court for a suit that is filed. A very simple case could run 100 grand in attorneys fees for one side only easily and anything the least bit contested or complex can run several hundred thousand in attorneys fees. Bogdan better take a hard look at Kathleen's and his other members businesses before he jumps into the fire on this one.

Soapboxmom

laidback
11-01-2011, 01:05 PM
I find it rather curious that Boggy & Company think that they can hold Realscam accountable for the posted opinions of members when their TOS states'

All postings, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, or other materials ("Content") posted on, transmitted through, or linked from the our services, are the sole responsibility of the person from whom such content originated.

The user understands that Adlandpro does not control, and is not responsible for content made available through our service, and that by using our service, he/she may be exposed to content that is offensive, indecent, inaccurate, misleading, or otherwise objectionable. Furthermore, ADLANDPRO site and content available through our service may contain links to other websites, which are completely independent of Adlandpro. Hellooo, anybody home...? Wakey, wakey...!

Soapboxmom
11-01-2011, 01:49 PM
Check out what was in Bogdan's first link posted this morning:
http://cyberlawyerblog.com/2008/11/26/the-cda-cyberracketeers-the-dmca-and-changes-to-section-230-by-domingo-rivera.aspx

.....Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. The purpose of this law was to allow Internet service providers to be able to alter or remove objectionable content (http://www.cyberdefamationlawyer.com/Internet_Defamation_Law.html) without assuming the liability associated with a traditional publisher of content. Congress sought to allow providers of interactive computer services to perform some editing on user-generated content without becoming liable for all defamatory or otherwise unlawful messages (http://www.cyberdefamationlawyer.com/Defamation_of_Character.html) that they didn’t edit or delete. In other words, Congress sought to immunize the removal of user generated content, not the creation of content.


Sections 230(c)(1) and 230(e)(3) provide that "no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider," and that "[n]o cause of action may be brought and no liability may be imposed under any State or local law that is inconsistent with this section." Noble intentions behind this Congressional law, but not-so good intention behind "Internet street law" which could be read as saying "service provider, you can stand by while your services are used to ruin the reputation of good businesses and people, don't worry, we will not hold you liable."

This has given rise to many consumer complaints websites. While some of these are well-intentioned and responsible, the majority are not. The lawlessness has now sparked many websites charging fees for "investigating" consumer complaints. Some of these websites have their employees call their targets and offer to help with the defamatory postings... for a membership fee, of course. Some of these websites have been known to have their employees actually create the postings in an "anonymous" manner.

There are certain of these websites who charge a sliding scale fee for these memberships. Therefore, if you are a successful business and you wish to have the false postings edited or removed, it may cost tens of thousands of dollars. But the administrators of this scheme apparently have a kind and gentle heart. Therefore, if you believe that their fee is not financially feasible to you, they offer you the opportunity to prove it to them and request a lower fee. But you must provide them your private financial information first. Are these practices any different from the mafia employee going to a store and demanding the boss' "share" of the business earnings. Well, the threat of physical violence is now absent, but the demand is essentially the same "give us our share of your income or we will put you out of business." The name for this practice is racketeering.....
Bogdan is apparently seeing dollar signs here when there are none. This site generates no income and does not back door to anything that generates income. The admins do remove or edit unlawful content. Other edits or removals are at our discretion. We are strictly volunteer. Nothing like this lawyer describes has ever happened here. So, how is this relevant to your sour grapes and whining, Bogdan???

Bogdan, you are doing a superb job of making points in my favor. Got some more gems for us???

Soapboxmom

laidback
11-01-2011, 02:22 PM
This has given rise to many consumer complaints websites. While some of these are well-intentioned and responsible, the majority are not.

Really? How do we know that? Where is the study that demonstrates that? How about documentation? Without any of the previous items,this is nothing more than the considered opinion of Attorney Rivera. Maybe Boggy should pose some questions to this fellow and see what kind of answers he gets...!

Soapboxmom
11-01-2011, 02:53 PM
If you are practicing law in following jurisdictions, Dallas, Texas, Burlington, Kansas, London, UK, and have expertise in slender, defamation, libel, hate letters and would like to represent us, please contact us here support@realscamclassactionsuit.com
Bogdan is too inept to find a competent attorney, so he is advertising for them on his attack site. What a complete idiot. That is certainly not the way to get experienced, reputable help. I am well acquainted with many attorneys and firms in the Dallas area thanks to my work as a consumer advocate.

No decent attorney will respond to a solicitation like yours, Bogdan. Those folks with legitimate cases don't monkey around as you are and make a$$es out of themselves in public. They have competent legal help already in place before turning things into a circus side show. Bogdan, have you considered enrolling in clown college? You do seem to have the aptitude for it.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-01-2011, 03:31 PM
If you are practicing law in following jurisdictions, Dallas, Texas, Burlington, Kansas, London, UK, and have expertise in slender, defamation, libel, hate letters, cyber-bullying, cyber-stalking, copyright and trademark laws and would like to represent us, please contact us here support@realscamclassactionsuit.com
Poor little Boggy is just madly editing.
Boggy wrote to Sara:

...I'm talking to my legal adviser and he believes this can
be qualified as cyber-stalking and cyber-bullying.


Boggy wrote to me:

In addition my lawyer has been provided with the case and I'm
awaiting their analysis and possibility of demanding
repayment of damages from your company....

I will be waiting 48 hours for actions to be taken on your part
in stopping this attacks and removing any references to my
name and business adlandpro.com from your site.

Should this be not honored this time, I will engage in full
legal action against your company and these two individuals
and demand repayment of damages.


If Boggy had counsel in Canada they would be lining up counsel elsewhere as needed and working closely with them, wouldn't they??? I think Boggy has quite the penchant for fiction!

Soapboxmom

okosh
11-01-2011, 03:33 PM
Odds are in BLUE....Place your bets :RpS_laugh:



1. Whether any of these "victims" can present any evidence to law enforcement to support the accusations they're making, 1000-1

2. Whether any of them have the fortitude to file a complaint in civil court, and if so, 10-1

3. The odds that their efforts would survive the discovery phase...! 50,000-1

laidback
11-01-2011, 03:37 PM
Bogdan is too inept to find a competent attorney, so he is advertising for them on his attack site. What a complete idiot. That is certainly not the way to get experienced, reputable help. I am well acquainted with many attorneys and firms in the Dallas area thanks to my work as a consumer advocate.

No decent attorney will respond to a solicitation like yours, Bogdan. Those folks with legitimate cases don't monkey around as you are and make a$$es out of themselves in public. They have competent legal help already in place before turning things into a circus side show. Bogdan, have you considered enrolling in clown college? You do seem to have the aptitude for it.

Soapboxmom What he is trying to do is find somebody that will take the case pro bono or on contingency. Contingency is out because the first thing the attorney looks for is potential payday before he (she) commits resources. BTW, what's the charge for "slender"...?

Lil Ol' Radical Me
11-01-2011, 05:11 PM
Just found this thread. I am now picking myself up of the floor, having fallen off the chair laughing. Thank you Bodgan Fiedur for providing us with a real belly laugh during an otherwise depressing, wet and windy week.


It is touching that someone wants to protect the repution of this Canadian registered site that has, over the past years, consistently permitted the promotion of nearly every online ponzi scheme and disreputable MLM known to man, woman and (in the case of AdlandPro) some rather strange little green men who come down from the sky.

Many are the major ponzi pimps and founders of illegal or corrupt schemes who have passed through it's membership list -some of whom are now enjoying free publicity for their businesses, courtesy of the US Federal Justice Department (Does the name Pedro Dispenza AKA Peter Roor AKA ..... ring any bells? lol). Many more have chosen their cheerleaders from the AdlandPro "most popular" who are everyone's "best friend".

Complaints about libel and defamation which come from the owner of a site which forbids/deletes/bans critical objective discussion of "businesses" promoted there is laughably ironic at best. The very idea that objective comments with supporting data made by people working free, gratis and for nothing in the field of consumer protection on a non-profit site are a bad thing, never mind libellous are, let's face it, hilarious.

Have these people never heard of DISCOVERY?

SBM said it right when she commented that


The facts speak for themselves. If the Adlanders had legitimate businesses they wouldn't be running around making all sorts of ridiculous threats and accusations. They would be busy working and be generating lots of positive publicity. I take it this site is definitely doing something right judging by this hullabaloo!



(By the way, as far as the sister advertising site is concerned, could the good owner of AdlandPro be confusing Real Scam with another erstwhile consumer advocate site owned by a fellow Canadian citizen who loves advertising, especially if there are ladies promoting large attributes involved?)

Whip
11-01-2011, 06:24 PM
Ah, so THAT'S why people post here - revenge.

I always wondered why I do it.

Good luck with proving that little piece of insight to the satisfaction of a court.

I can't wait to get into a court room and see Boggie explain how the "actions" are "unproven"

"Your Honour, there I was, innocently promoting a completely legitimate business known as EZWealth Solution and this nasty anonymous poster said my business is illegal and a fraud.

I beg your pardon, Your Honour.......it's 100% legal because

Err, well.......moving on..........Lottery Clubs ARE legal in the USA.........umm.........err.........well.......... .....

OK, forget that, let's go through every "opportunity" presented on AdLand Pro and show EXACTLY how legal they are and how it's critics are wrong

I'm sure the advertisers and promoters won't mind having their businesses discussed in open court, especially with the free publicity they'll get from all those media people over there in the corner"

I look forward to the day.

I have to say.....I am a legitimate business owner and have never been attacked on this site. There's the obligatory 'positive' post. lol.

Whip
11-01-2011, 06:55 PM
What he is trying to do is find somebody that will take the case pro bono or on contingency. Contingency is out because the first thing the attorney looks for is potential payday before he (she) commits resources. BTW, what's the charge for "slender"...?

A bowl full of sexy. Poor frodo bodgan.....still looking for his precious.

littleroundman
11-01-2011, 07:43 PM
Fiedur is now caught in a classic double bind of his own making.

He has spent a lot of time and energy convincing his "true believer" members that AdLand is a legitimate money makers forum and those members fully expect him to defend his and their integrity.

On the other hand, the very last thing his advertisers and insiders want is the full light of public exposure being shone on their activities.

If he does progress his bluffing and blustering to a full on court case, he knows full well every single aspect of his forum and its' history will be closely scrutinized. the very last thing the money men want.

What does he do ??

Does he keep the "true believer" Kathleen Vanbeekoms happy by following through with his threats or does he keep his advertisers and insiders happy by shutting his mouth and deciding discretion is the better part of valour ?

baylee
11-01-2011, 08:03 PM
Does he keep the "true believer" Kathleen Vanbeekoms happy by following through with his threats or does he keep his advertisers and insiders happy by shutting his mouth and deciding discretion is the better part of valour ?

I am finding it hard to believe that Kathleen is a true believer at this point.

littleroundman
11-01-2011, 08:20 PM
I am finding it hard to believe that Kathleen is a true believer at this point.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. The proverb has been traced back in English to 1546 (John Heywood), and resembles the Biblical verse Jer. 5:21 (King James version): "Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not.". In 1738, it was used by Jonathan Swift in his 'Polite Conversation,' and is first attested in the United States in the 1713 'Works of Thomas Chalkley'..."

scratchycat
11-01-2011, 08:27 PM
Not sure, looks like Jack Sunshine is taking over the forum.

List All Your Biz Sites Here | View Forum | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/forum/14638/ListAllYourBizSitesHere.aspx)

scratchycat
11-01-2011, 08:35 PM
Just found this thread. I am now picking myself up of the floor, having fallen off the chair laughing. Thank you Bodgan Fiedur for providing us with a real belly laugh during an otherwise depressing, wet and windy week.


It is touching that someone wants to protect the repution of this Canadian registered site that has, over the past years, consistently permitted the promotion of nearly every online ponzi scheme and disreputable MLM known to man, woman and (in the case of AdlandPro) some rather strange little green men who come down from the sky.

Many are the major ponzi pimps and founders of illegal or corrupt schemes who have passed through it's membership list -some of whom are now enjoying free publicity for their businesses, courtesy of the US Federal Justice Department (Does the name Pedro Dispenza AKA Peter Roor AKA ..... ring any bells? lol). Many more have chosen their cheerleaders from the AdlandPro "most popular" who are everyone's "best friend".

Complaints about libel and defamation which come from the owner of a site which forbids/deletes/bans critical objective discussion of "businesses" promoted there is laughably ironic at best. The very idea that objective comments with supporting data made by people working free, gratis and for nothing in the field of consumer protection on a non-profit site are a bad thing, never mind libellous are, let's face it, hilarious.

Have these people never heard of DISCOVERY?

SBM said it right when she commented that





(By the way, as far as the sister advertising site is concerned, could the good owner of AdlandPro be confusing Real Scam with another erstwhile consumer advocate site owned by a fellow Canadian citizen who loves advertising, especially if there are ladies promoting large attributes involved?)

Hello, LORM!!! Glad to see you back here and this has made your week better.

It seems the "accused" here are actually the "victims". Yes, we have been having a good talk about the past experiences of Adland community. We had hoped it would just go away but no...

I was once led to believe in the leadership of Adlandpro but have learned my lesson the hard way, as most of us do.

Do I need to get legal representation? I thought of calling my friend, the Sheriff of my county but he would probably not be able to contain the laughter. It would be a celebration of sorts to have some visitors from Canada visiting our little community here and we would have a lot of media attention. A little citizen of this remote community having big folks from Canada coming here to file a suit against them would really get lots of attention.

Thanks!

littleroundman
11-01-2011, 09:00 PM
Both (Judy Hortin and Sara Gardner Blow) have been terminated from social networking site for multiple cases of breaking of community rules (including fraudulent activity)

A classic case of attempted diversion.

So what if they had been terminated for those reasons ??

How would that change the fact AdLand both promotes and encourages the promotion of HYIP ponzis and get-rich-quick schemes ??

One has nothing to do with the other, PARTICULARLY since Fiedurs' own words contradict what he's claiming occurred WRT "fraudulent activity" AND he's provided absolutely no proof of either person involved being guilty of the accusations he's made.

Fiedurs' protestations are akin to an organized crime bosses' lawyers requesting the dismissal of all charges based on the fact the witnesses don't like the accused and have a personal score to settle.

AdLand Pro and Bogdam Fiedur are what they are and do what they do.

If Fiedur doesn't like what people say about what he does, then he should simply stop doing it.

okosh
11-01-2011, 11:11 PM
Not sure, looks like Jack Sunshine is taking over the forum.

List All Your Biz Sites Here | View Forum | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/forum/14638/ListAllYourBizSitesHere.aspx)

Is there a thread for the class action at Adland??....I can't find a search button there...only a search members button...

path2prosperity
11-02-2011, 04:28 AM
Is there a thread for the class action at Adland??....I can't find a search button there...only a search members button...

You can search "supposed business opportunities" threads in Adland by clicking the tab at the top of their main forums thread then completing the search box when it comes up there. I could not find the RS action information in an Adland thread but he has obviously published the information somewhere as you can find it in Google (http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox.a%40rls%3Dorg.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=614&q=RealScamClassActionSuit.com&btnG=Google+Search).

Any lawyer who is interested in finding out what I have said to Bogdan's members about him in private, will not have to look far. My associates here will confirm that my usual comments on the "Bogdan persona" are short and sweet. They are quite simply "Oh Bugger Bogdan."

littleroundman
11-02-2011, 04:55 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/justincase.jpg

One wonders if Boggies' mythical lawyer friend recommended this as the best way to deal with negative publicity for AdLand.

I hesitate to believe anyone remotely connected to the law would advise his/her client to issue such an easily disputed statement such as the opening line of Fiedurs' tirade on RealScamActionSuit.com (http://realscamclassactionsuit.com/)


The site RealScam.com engages in harboring disgruntled users who then create anonymous accounts on the RealScam site and out of revenge attack members, business owners and individuals accusing them of unproven actions, exposing their full names taken from their place of business or activity.

I wonder how the Bogster intends to prove the said "full names" came from "their place of business or activity" and not from publicly accessible information put out there on the 'net by the individuals themselves.

As for proving the "disgruntled users" bit, FAGEDDABOWDIT.

path2prosperity
11-02-2011, 05:55 AM
As for proving the "disgruntled users" bit, FAGEDDABOWDIT.

Is that synonomous with my Cynical Ancient Brit comment when the subject of Fiedur's defence gets an airing LRM? My brains go into deep freeze at the thought of trying to absorb the legal issues. "Bugger Bogdan" is the only response that ever comes to my mind when the issue is raised.

path2prosperity
11-02-2011, 06:03 AM
Not sure, looks like Jack Sunshine is taking over the forum.

List All Your Biz Sites Here | View Forum | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/forum/14638/ListAllYourBizSitesHere.aspx)

Jack Sunshine has been around Adland and other forums for ages. I remember him pushing Sunshine Jewellery very hard on The Safelist. He pushed the same free groceries scam that Jimbo is still pedalling on Adland ad nauseum.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
11-02-2011, 06:19 AM
Many people have tried to tell you that you do not know your own enemies, I totally second that one! They are right under your nose.

SC, without wishing to credit Bogdan Freebie with more smarts than he actually has, I think it is safe to say that he knows exactly who his own enemies are. They are, and always have been, the people who try to rock his warm and fuzzy Adland boat - however innocent their intentions might have been.

littleroundman
11-02-2011, 06:38 AM
Is that synonomous with my Cynical Ancient Brit comment when the subject of Fiedur's defence gets an airing LRM? My brains go into deep freeze at the thought of trying to absorb the legal issues. "Bugger Bogdan" is the only response that ever comes to my mind when the issue is raised.

Nah,

I'm referring to the Bogsters' opening comment on his RealScamActionSuit.com (http://realscamclassactionsuit.com/) website:


The site RealScam.com engages in harboring disgruntled users who then create anonymous accounts on the RealScam site

My point is, how the h**l does he know that "disgruntled users" are behind his nefarious activities being exposed ??

Is someone who becomes aware of the criminal activities being promoted on Adland merely "disgruntled" or is the Bogster suggesting such people should keep their mouths shut and allow the criminal activities to continue ??

You see, Fiedur or his company moved from being innocent forum owners to fair game targets when they began accepting tainted money from illegal activities and continued to do so after they had been informed of said illegality.

I'm finding it difficult to understand what tactics Fiedur and/or his "legal representatives" intend to use should they ever decide to file suit.

IANAL, nor do I play one in a TV series, but AFAIK, "it's not fair" or "they're just disgruntled ex members" don't quite cut it in terms of having a class action suit actioned.

Are there illegal activities being promoted on AdLand ??

Is Fiedur aware of such activities ??

Has he acted against activities after being advised of their status ??

Does he or his company receive compensation for said promotion ?

Has he sought legal advice WRT his responsibilities and is he able/prepared to provide evidence of having done so to the satisfaction of a court ??

Is any of the so called "private" information discussed NOT already in the public domain and/or privileged ??

WHAT, exactly is it Fiedur and Kathleen think has been said or done illegally ??

They may be completely pi***d off their little corner of the 'net is now exposed for others to see and they can no longer play their silly little HYIP games and get-rich-quick schemes out of the public eye, but, surely they didn't think they could get away with it forever

Soapboxmom
11-02-2011, 08:57 AM
Boggy look what I found:

German Cardona Soler, Associated With Forex Scam Pushed On TalkGold And MoneyMakerGroup, Arrested Over Alleged $300 Million Forex Ponzi | Forex Magnates (http://forexmagnates.com/german-cardona-soler-associated-with-forex-scam-pushed-on-talkgold-and-moneymakergroup-arrested-over-alleged-300-million-forex-ponzi/)

Garrigue et al v. Evolution Market Group, Inc. et al :: Justia Dockets & Filings (http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flmdce/6:2011cv01636/263937/)




Garrigue et al v. Evolution Market Group, Inc. et al

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Martine Garrigue , Jean-Marie Veuille and Nathalie Veuille


Evolution Market Group, Inc., Juan Diaz Alcazar, Pedro Benevides, German Cardona Soler, Brittany Benevides, Michael Clark, Heriberto Perez Valdes, Luis Hernandez, Heather Perkins, DWB Holding Company, Daniel Fernandes Rojo Filho and John Does 1-100





6:2011cv01636


October 11, 2011





Florida Middle District Court


Orlando Office


Orange


Mary S. Scriven


David A. Baker





Other Statutes - Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations


18:1961 Racketeering (RICO) Act


Federal Question


Plaintiff





Tamayo et al v. Evolution Market Group, Inc., et al. :: Justia Dockets & Filings (http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2011cv23097/385766/)

Tamayo et al v. Evolution Market Group, Inc., et al.

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GLADYS C TAMAYO , JULIO J GIL , JOHAN ZAZO SILVA , IRINA DIAZ RODRIGUEZ , KODALY PADRON FONSECA , Josue R. Gutierrez , NOSBEL HERNANDEZ , ANA ISA CUELLO DIAZ , GUILLERMO COLUMBIE , GUSTAVO ROCHA , ROLANDO ARENCIBIA , YULAYKIS MEDINA , SANTIAGO MONTEAGUDO , HEATHER HALDI , ISMARI RUIZ , CARLOS DE LA ARENA , REINA PILOTO , MARK CURTIS , Diana Martinez , Patricia Vasquez , GUILLERMO A SILVA , MARK TATIS , ANGEL ESPADA , JORGE R LOZANO , OSCAR PILOTO , REGGIE HALL , MARIA RODRIGUEZ , LUIS CARLOS PEREZ RAMIREZ , NEREIDA GOMEZ , NARCISO J HIDALGO , ALBERTO Y ARANDA , Raquel Diaz , YOSMANI RODRIGUEZ , REINOL ANTONIO GONZALEZ , Enrique Patterson and Manuel A. Diaz


Evolution Market Group Inc., DWB HOLDING COMPANY, d/b/a FINANZAS FOREX, a Florida Corporation, SUPERIOR INTERNATIONAL INVESTMENT CORPORATION, d/b/a FINANZAS FOREX, a dissolved Florida corporation, GERMAN CARDONA SOLER, DANIEL FERNANDEZ ROJO FILHO, PEDRO BENEVIDES, HEATHER PERKINS, BRITTANY BENEVIDES, MICHAEL S CLARK, OBBALUBE INVESTMENT CORPORATION, d/b/a FINANZAS FOREX, a dissolved Florida corporation, HERIBERTO C PEREZ VALDES and Luis Hernandes





1:2011cv23097


August 29, 2011





Florida Southern District Court


Miami Office


Miami-Dade


Patricia A. Seitz


Andrea M. Simonton





Other Statutes - Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations


18:1964 Racketeering (RICO) Act


Federal Question


None





Boggy sure does have a swell site. Thanks to my wonderful birdie for those gems.

Now after reading that look where it was promoted:

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Boggy didn't you say:

Site RealScam encourages cyber-bullying and cyber-stalking by allowing the creation of anonymous accounts and by allowing the users to present of unproven accusations towards individuals of their targeted organization. The RealScam.com turns out to be just a harassment and bashing site with no verification of facts and indiscriminate attacks at anyone who looks like an easy target.
The main admin of the site Heather Dobrott sates that she is only doing this on volunteer bases and has no time to verify each post.....

In addition my lawyer has been provided with the case and I'm
awaiting their analysis and possibility of demanding
repayment of damages from your company.
Well, Boggy are you verifying every post that goes up on Adlandpro? Are you going to pay damages to every individual that signed up for one of the uneconomic schemes or outright scams promoted on your site? I certainly think in light of your views on this that we at Realscam.com should have no qualms about encouraging the victims of scams promoted on your site to join a class action suit against Adlandpro and you, its owner. Isn't Adlandpro just a site that encourages cyber-scammers by allowing the users to present unproven opportunities to targeted individuals? Adlandpro turns out to be a a scam promoting site with no verification of facts and indiscriminately placed ads everywhere directed at anyone who look like an easy target. Bogdan Fiedur of course is no volunteer. He is out to make a buck and obviously has no time to verify each post.....

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
11-02-2011, 09:56 AM
C'mon, Bogdan,

In all seriousness, stop messing around.

Stop with the huffing and puffing and threats.

Call the police, notify the FTC and FBI and SEC,

get this settled once and for all,

Complain to the media,

lay everything bare,

GET THIS INTO COURT.

laidback
11-02-2011, 11:07 AM
C'mon, Bogdan,

In all seriousness, stop messing around.

Stop with the huffing and puffing and threats.

Call the police, notify the FTC and FBI and SEC,

get this settled once and for all,

Complain to the media,

lay everything bare,

GET THIS INTO COURT.
hehehe, methinks young Bogged Down may not want to do that, based on his indiscretions in this area.

littleroundman
11-02-2011, 11:16 AM
hehehe, methinks young Bogged Down may not want to do that, based on his indiscretions in this area.

The BogMeister is caught between the proverbial "rock and a hard place"

On the one hand his loyal followers are hanging on to his every word and counting the seconds until he launches Operation Smash RealScam

While, on the other hand he knows only too well what will happen if he does and is required to open his books to court and public scrutiny and leave his advertisers hanging out to dry.

Soapboxmom
11-02-2011, 11:23 AM
I got on Adlandpro and clicked on the business opportunities and look at some of the clunkers I found. Boggy, did you verify each and every business your site promotes??? Being so anxious to change internet law you should be thrilled to have all the victims of these many scams your site promotes holding Adlandpro and you persoanlly responsible for the content of your site. Peaches!

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littleroundman
11-02-2011, 11:31 AM
At this point, it's probably a good time to remind readers of the concept of SLAPP lawsuits:

From Wikipedia: Strategic lawsuit against public participation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation)


A strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP) is a lawsuit that is intended to censor, intimidate, and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition.

The typical SLAPP plaintiff does not normally expect to win the lawsuit. The plaintiff's goals are accomplished if the defendant succumbs to fear, intimidation, mounting legal costs or simple exhaustion and abandons the criticism. A SLAPP may also intimidate others from participating in the debate. A SLAPP is often preceded by a legal threat. The difficulty, of course, is that plaintiffs do not present themselves to the Court admitting that their intent is to censor, intimidate or silence their critics. Hence, the difficulty in drafting SLAPP legislation, and in applying it, is to craft an approach which affords an early termination to invalid abusive suits, without denying a legitimate day in court to valid good faith claims.

SLAPPs take various forms but the most common is a civil suit for defamation, which in the English common law tradition (used throughout the English speaking world) is a tort. The common law of libel dates to the early 17th century and (unusual in English law) is reverse onus, meaning, once accused, the defendant is presumed guilty until they can prove innocence. While various abusive uses of this law including political libel (criticism of the political actions or views of others) have ceased to exist in most places but persist in some jurisdictions (notably British Columbia and Ontario) where political views can be held as defamatory. A common feature of SLAPP suits is forum shopping wherein plaintiffs find favourable courts that will permit claims that the court in which the defendant (or sometimes plaintiffs) live, will not.

Other widely mentioned elements of a SLAPP are the actual effectiveness at silencing critics, the timing of the suit, inclusion of extra or spurious defendants (such as relatives or hosts of legitimte defendants), inclusion of plaintiffs with no real claim (such as corporations that are affiliated with legitimate plaintiffs), making claims that are very difficult to disprove or rely on no written record, ambiguous or deliberately mangled wording that lets plaintiffs make spurious allegations without fear of perjury, refusal to consider any settlement (or none other than cash), characterization of all offers to settle as insincere, extensive and unnecessary demands for discovery, attempts to identify anonymous or pseudonymous critics, appeals on minor points of law, demands for broad rulings when appeal is accepted on such minor points of law, and attempts to run up defendants' costs even if this clearly costs more to the plaintiffs.

Soapboxmom
11-02-2011, 11:46 AM
I think we should be thanking Boggy. I have made exposing uneconomic schemes my hobby and it is certainly my passion. Thanks to Boggy's meltdown online it has become quite obvious that I now have a one stop shop for opportunities to blog about. His members are going to be thrilled with the attention he is garnering them. And, lest he should forget. The authorities do read these threads and I have worked with numerous enforcement agencies and will continue to do so. Boggy needs to start verifying those opportunities on his site pronto!!! :watching_you:

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
11-02-2011, 11:58 AM
Too late, he took money for introducing others. and others joined on his recommendation.

He therefore falls into the category of "knew, or should have known"

Soapboxmom
11-02-2011, 12:13 PM
Breaking News:

EDITORIAL: Bogdan Fiedur Of AdLandPro’s Deplorable Bid To Chill RealScam.com In The Age Of International Mass-Marketing Fraud (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2011/11/02/editorial-bogdan-fiedur-of-adlandpros-deplorable-bid-to-chill-realscam-com-in-the-age-of-international-mass-marketing-fraud/)

Thank you, Patrick. I am sure I speak for the owner, administrators, members and dedicated volunteer consumer advocates who contribute here when I say we are very honored that our humble work is the subject of your latest editorial.

I am a college educated stay at home mom. I started blogging over 6 years ago when I became aware of the great harm MLM was causing to many families that were desperate for a way to supplement their income. I am very proud to volunteer here and be a part of this site where many more dedicated volunteers that are much more knowledgeable than myself contribute freely.

Soapboxmom

Whip
11-02-2011, 01:30 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/justincase.jpg

One wonders if Boggies' mythical lawyer friend recommended this as the best way to deal with negative publicity for AdLand.

I hesitate to believe anyone remotely connected to the law would advise his/her client to issue such an easily disputed statement such as the opening line of Fiedurs' tirade on RealScamActionSuit.com (http://realscamclassactionsuit.com/)



I wonder how the Bogster intends to prove the said "full names" came from "their place of business or activity" and not from publicly accessible information put out there on the 'net by the individuals themselves.

As for proving the "disgruntled users" bit, FAGEDDABOWDIT.

Well, I am a bit disgruntled. Disgruntled that we read about more fake threats of lawsuits and not enough action. It's boring reading the same spin over and over in all the scams.

laidback
11-02-2011, 03:24 PM
Well, I am a bit disgruntled. Disgruntled that we read about more fake threats of lawsuits and not enough action. It's boring reading the same spin over and over in all the scams.
I was considerably disgruntled, but I have since found a fresh supply of gruntle...!:RpS_wink:

Soapboxmom
11-02-2011, 06:41 PM
Boggy rambled today:

Belittling, ridiculing, calling names and using offending language is a common behavior on this site including main admin Heather Dobrott.
Site doesn't have information about its place of business and all information about site registration is hidden from the public using service Domains by Proxy, Inc to hide identity of the owner from liability.

Main admin stated that to prosecute her business we would have to be in her jurisdiction and we would not be able to prosecute all the other members who are spread through the world implying that she can say and write whatever she wants and we can't do nothing about it.
She was amused with our immature and futile attempts to cause have any troubles.

Maybe we are immature in harassment as opposed to her and her site, but we will gain appropriate experience in legal prosecution of above mentioned acts.

Yes, Boggy your attempts are immature and futile. I have never claimed I could say whatever I want. I have explained ad nauseum to you that opinions are not generally actionable and that website owner and administrators are not responsible for what others have posted. You, Boggy boy need to find false statements of fact and start there.

http://www.citmedialaw.org/sites/citmedialaw.org/files/2008-02-24-Dobrott%27s%20Motion%20for%20Summary%20Judgment.pd f

That is my case winning Summary Judgment Motion from the harassment suit Tim Darnell filed against me. Read that carefully and then go to a legal dictionary and look up the term hyperbole!

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
11-02-2011, 07:13 PM
Fiedur continues to go 'round and 'round the mulberry bush while continuing to ignore the obvious.

HE is the one who says this is about "revenge" and HE is the one who claims posters here set out to "cause trouble" and HE is the one who questions the motives of posters.

The inconvenient truth he chooses to ignore is that AdLand IS a place which accepts money from, while ignoring and encouraging illegal enterprises.

To mix metaphors, he could enjoy his time in the sun while Adland flew under the radar, but now it's in the same place as Talkgold, MMG and the usual suspect forums, he has to choose whether to continue in the same way and be included with the other sleazy HYIP ponzi get-rich-quick forums or change his ways.

He can't have it both ways

Continue to run a HYIP ponzi forum and he's fair game for criticism and he's NOT going to be afforded protection by the legal system.

It's pure fantasy for Fiedur and his supporters to think for one second this is going to turn out like some bad TV show and they're going to be able to simultaneously hold up their middle finger to the legal system while at the same time seeking its' protection.

Soapboxmom
11-02-2011, 08:53 PM
We are still asking ourselves who is Heather Dobrott.
When trying to visit following urls heatherdobrott.com (http://heatherdobrott.com/) we are receiving "server not found error" after checking discussion board on Heather Dobrott aka soapboxmom found in contempt.. (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=131712) we are learning that she she was found in contempt of court on August 4th and ordered to pay $3,000 because of that finding.
Here are the details of the Collin County Court Records (http://cijspub.co.collin.tx.us/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=286573) and this was in 2007.


She appers to use name of Doc Bunkum at scams - View Profile: Doc Bunkum (http://www.scam.com/member.php?u=67624) and discrediting all posters who are bringing above case.

www.heatherdobrott.com (http://www.heatherdobrott.com) had felony criminal charges associated with it. The clerks for the case you linked outed the criminal charges to the scammer who was being investigated. The investigation has not been completed as the suspect was given an Affidavit that was submitted to the judge for his eyes only and alerted to the 3 felony charges filed. The police could not seize his computers at that point as they felt it was likely the author of www.heatherdobrott.com (http://www.heatherdobrott.com) had destroyed all the evidence and it was pointless to do so. That statute (http://www.realscam.com/f16/online-harassment-law-texas-271/) is the one poor hapless Kathleen misunderstood. The site has been pulled down I assume because whoever is proven to be behind it could face criminal charges and have to pay significant damages in a civil case as the material on that site actually did comprise, libel, defamation, invasion of privacy and appropriation of likeness etc.

That Scam thread is probably the work of Tim Darnell (Frank Furter). He lost to me (http://www.realscam.com/f11/jack-weinzierl-threatened-tim-darnell-sued-soapboxmom-heather-dobrott-district-court-lost-summary-judgment-767/) and the BBB in Summary Judgment (http://www.realscam.com/f11/advantage-conferences-sued-dallas-better-business-bureau-lost-summary-judgment-tim-darnell-jack-weinzierl-770/). He has a terrible case of sour grapes and whine as you are suffering from, Boggy.

I did pay a fine. The judge told me I did not have to remove anything, but did put a temporary injunction on all parties and their representatives (which includes me) so all of the knitting could happen in the courtroom. I did not remove my signature and the judge not remembering the hearing testimony fined me for having links related to the case remaining in my signature. Instead of speculating why don't you spend the money to pay for the filed documents and hearing and trial testimony since you seem to want to blow a fortune, Boggy.

Doc Bunkum and I are not the same person. I could not respond to those posts for several reasons. I did follow the judge's orders and did not discuss the case and its parties. Also, I left Scam to accept the admin position here. As George Dranichak saw this site as competition he removed me as a mod and banned me from Scam. Scam is a money making site that caters to scammers. This site is purely volunteer and there is no monetary incentives whatsoever for what we do.

Get a clue, Boggy!!!!!

Soapboxmom
11-02-2011, 09:18 PM
One of the posters says this.





The dirtball Heather Dobrott thinks she is a seo pro. She prob is posting all the old stuff thinking it will help her rankings. There is enough evidence over there to put her with Madoff for invasion of privacy.









while another poster says



http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=126188&highlight=soapboxmom She's convinced,(deluded) herself that she's a 'cyber celebrity', yet she's the only one concerned about all of this. Without her posting there, the site would adisappear...not a very good sign for a 'celebrity'....http://www.scam.com/images/smilies/yelcutelaughA.gif http://www.scam.com/images/smilies/rotz.gif











more reviealing news





Quote:


Originally Posted by Frank Furter http://www.scam.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=966512#post966512)
I'd post this on her realscam site, but given her track record here, I doubt it would last very long before she would be deleting it.






LOL, you most definitely hit the nail on the head. Yes, her track record is well known in that department.

God forbid you cast any shadow on her halo. And you would find yourself banned to boot.














This starts to be entertaining :)
We are now excited what we will find tomorrow about our scam-buster Heather Dobrott. This is only info from 1 page (about 100 posts) of 415 posts in just this one thread.
So the scam-buster breaks the law herself. Now we know where she gets her experience in court matters.

The good thing is that this page will stay here forever and it might be just an encouragement for those who are attacked by scrupulous revenge seekers who believe that internet is wild west.
By the way site www.scam.com (http://www.scam.com/) disallows of posting of full names of accused party.


Scam rules say:

4. NO POSTING OF ANY MEMBER’S ADDRESS, PHONE OR FULL NAME. Do not post your own, you don’t know what kind of nutcase will decide to track you down.
We outed scammers like certain of the advertisers on Adlandpro by name. I am no longer a member there, bonehead!

You are quite math challenged. There are 50 posts per page on Scam. The original poster, who is most likely Tim Darnell, (masquerading as Frank Furter) went bananas. I never ever broke the law you brainless idiot. The judge felt that by leaving up my signature I had posted when there was a temporary injunction in place.

Invasion of privacy fits for the www.heatherdobrott.com (http://www.heatherdobrott.com) site. Frank Furter is in a snit because Tim Darnell's (http://www.realscam.com/f11/tim-darnell-catherine-cathy-starnater-darnell-both-sent-irs-hell-562/) and Jack Weinzierl's scams (http://www.realscam.com/f11/jack-weinzierl-multi-million-dollar-earner-destitute-ding-ling-774/)and numerous lies (http://www.realscam.com/f11/jack-weinzierl-tim-darnell-fabrications-receiving-death-threats-being-stalked-soapboxmom-heather-dobrott-777/)have been exposed (http://www.realscam.com/f17/tim-darnell-jack-weinzierl-advantage-conferences-earnings-representations-781/).


scru·pu·lous

adj \ˈskrü-pyə-ləs\


Definition of SCRUPULOUS

1
: having moral integrity (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/integrity) : acting in strict regard for what is considered right or proper

2
: punctiliously (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/punctilious) exact : painstaking (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/painstaking) <working with scrupulous care>

— scru·pu·lous·ly adverb
— scru·pu·lous·ness noun



Well, bonehead at least you got something correct in your latest nonsensical rant. I and my regular contributing members are definitely scrupulous!!!!

Bogdan, you might want to be mindful of what you personally post.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-02-2011, 09:29 PM
Bogdan writes:

It looks like there are many users on the above site who will be delighted in joining this class action suit.
The MLM flunkies on Scam in that egregious thread couldn't organize a group trip to the john and they are for the most part destitute ding-a-lings. ohein56 can't afford his diabetic supplies and drinks and smokes weed last I heard. Frank Furter (likely Tim Darnell) has a $97,265.17 IRS tax lien, a $8,000.00 IRS tax lien and is delinquent to the tune of $10,772.56 on his property taxes yet again and will likely face suit again on that. Good luck on getting that bunch of buffoons to contribute to your legal fund!

Oh, and by the way you are now making accusations of me breaking the law. That is a statement of fact and certainly cannot be construed as opinion. Really brainy, aren't you! :onloo:

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-02-2011, 09:56 PM
domain: newageu.com
owner: Bogdan Fiedur
organization: Softfornet Solutions Ltd
email: http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
address: 23-845 Dakota Street, Suite 332
city: Winnipeg
state: MB
postal-code: R2M 5M3
country: CA
phone: +1.2042547228
fax: +1.2042547228
admin-c: CCOM-6849 http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
tech-c: CCOM-6849 http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
billing-c: CCOM-6849 http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
nserver: a.ns.joker.com 207.44.185.100
nserver: b.ns.joker.com 66.252.5.4
nserver: c.ns.joker.com 207.44.185.10
status: lock
created: 2010-08-30 18:48:21 UTC
modified: 2010-08-30 18:48:21 UTC
expires: 2012-08-30 18:48:21 UTC
query-source: 64.246.165.50

contact-hdl: CCOM-6849
person: Bogdan Fiedur
organization: Softfornet Solutions Ltd
email: http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
address: 23-845 Dakota Street, Suite 332
city: Winnipeg
state: MB
postal-code: R2M 5M3
country: CA
phone: +1.2042547228

source: joker.com live whois service
query-time: 0.010047
db-updated: 2011-11-02 23:47:20
I am sure the folks there would love to know what Boggy is up to!

Soapboxmom

Whip
11-02-2011, 10:16 PM
When is he finally going to stop blowing smoke and bring this lawsuit? He bores me.

Soapboxmom
11-02-2011, 10:57 PM
http://www.newageu.com/Images/NewAgeU/aff_Large.png (http://www.newageu.com/forums/post/54069/BogdanFiedursNewSite.aspx?refer=Soapboxmom)
Bogdan wants to create a stink. Well, let's do it on his new forum!!!!

Soapboxmom

okosh
11-03-2011, 01:35 AM
Boggy rambled today:


Looks more like he had a 'brain fart'....

path2prosperity
11-03-2011, 03:19 AM
I glanced at the site and found that Adland's Michael Clayton is trying to sell his version of Christ's letters again. Look at the About Me (http://www.newageu.com/members/rexiedexie.aspx) page. I thought it safer to copy and paste the quote just in case it gets deleted.

Copy. "My favorite site is Christ's Letters 2006

Regards Michael Clayton (rexiedexie)"

There are several more of Fiedurs members who are familiar to RS readers like "Jimbo" and "Sir Roger." WELL. WELL. WELL.

Soapboxmom
11-03-2011, 09:51 AM
Well, Boggy, are you busy trying to hook up with the broke losers on Scam and those behind www.heatherdobrott.com? (http://www.heatherdobrott.com?) You are really going to look sharp in court when all this comes out. www.heatherdobrott.com (http://www.heatherdobrott.com) was investigated as a felony. You might want to consider researching before posting and completely destroying any shred of credibility you might have had. Now, you have forever associated yourself with that hideous slam site www.heatherdobrott.com (http://www.heatherdobrott.com) and may well be associating yourself with its authors for your sick little class action suit.

http://www.realscam.com/f22/soapboxmoms-rant-www-heatherdobrott-com-tim-darnell-jack-weinzierl-312/

Soapboxmom

laidback
11-03-2011, 10:48 AM
Boggy apparently operates under the motto: If you find yourself in a hole, get a bigger shovel...!

scratchycat
11-03-2011, 10:55 AM
Today I was just going to read through the comments here but after reading some of them, this being one

Belittling, ridiculing, calling names and using offending language is a common behavior on this site including main admin Heather Dobrott.
Site doesn't have information about its place of business and all information about site registration is hidden from the public using service Domains by Proxy, Inc to hide identity of the owner from liability.

Main admin stated that to prosecute her business we would have to be in her jurisdiction and we would not be able to prosecute all the other members who are spread through the world implying that she can say and write whatever she wants and we can't do nothing about it.
She was amused with our immature and futile attempts to cause have any troubles.

Maybe we are immature in harassment as opposed to her and her site, but we will gain appropriate experience in legal prosecution of above mentioned acts.


It brought to mind how easy it is to accuse someone or a website of doing something that a person allows on their own website. It is not the first time nor will it be the last for these same people to come in and jump down the throats of people just making comments.

Read this one from beginning to present and please copy before they delete it:

What is your life like??? | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2459190/Whatisyourlifelike/1.aspx)

I feel sure the owner of this forum does not realize that in their About Me, there is a link that will take you to a page that will install a virus on your pc. At least my virus protection picked up and warned me. I have nothing personal against this person at all, it is just an example of what does take place in a website that is now trying to bring legal action against me and others here.

littleroundman
11-03-2011, 11:12 AM
I have nothing personal against this person at all, it is just an example of what does take place in a website that is now trying to bring legal action against me and others here.

Uh, no.

To be completely accurate that would be: "bullshitting about bringing legal action against me and others here"

There is no way on Gods' green earth that Bogdan is going to bring legal action against anyone.

Sure, he may find a lawyer who's prepared to take Boggies' money to draft a threatening letter or two, but Fiedur would rather pull his own head off than get inside a courtroom.

path2prosperity
11-03-2011, 02:25 PM
Uh, no.

To be completely accurate that would be: "bullshitting about bringing legal action against me and others here"

There is no way on Gods' green earth that Bogdan is going to bring legal action against anyone.

Sure, he may find a lawyer who's prepared to take Boggies' money to draft a threatening letter or two.


Terry The Banker tried to get a lawyer to represent Terry against me. I told Terry's lawyers that my only answer was "Bugger Off Terry." Bogdan can pay a lawyer to threaten me if he likes but I think you all know how I will reply to it.

Soapboxmom
11-03-2011, 04:05 PM
Bogdan's forum is dead as a doornail:
Active Forums | NewAgeU (http://www.newageu.com/ActiveForums.aspx)

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Soapboxmom
11-03-2011, 06:43 PM
RealScamClassActionSuit.com

The site RealScam.com engages in harboring disgruntled users who then create anonymous accounts on the RealScam site and out of revenge attack members, business owners and individuals accusing them of unproven actions, exposing their full names taken from their place of business or activity. Such unproven accusations cause irreparable damage to the reputation of users who have provided their full names in public places to conduct their business or other social activities.
For example these two members who were identified as Judy Hortin (http://www.realscam.com/members/path2prosperity/) and Sara Gardner Blow (http://www.realscam.com/members/scratchycat/) have been attacking members of the community they belonged to who they had disagreements with in the past. Out of revenge two other members of the community (who had no online business for several years) were accused of running scam businesses and one being a crook. Other members have been attacked and without any investigation declared as scammers or fabricated facts have been linked to them. It also appears that Sara Garner Blow had previously different account with the name (HonestMe (http://www.realscam.com/members/HonestMe/)), which now appears to be deleted or renamed.
Both (Judy Hortin (http://www.realscam.com/members/path2prosperity/) and Sara Gardner Blow (http://www.realscam.com/members/scratchycat/)) have been terminated from social networking site for multiple cases of breaking of community rules (including fraudulent activity and hate letters) after which they have started their attacks on the owner and any active members they could identify. There is possibility that their actions could be qualified as cyber-bullying (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying), cyber-stalking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking) and cyber-harassment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberharassment). The possibility of their breaking of these acts is now being investigated for the sake of filing reports with authorities against above mentioned members and site owners of RealScam sites in their respective areas.
The RealScam.com appears to be represented by Heather Dobrott.
The RealScam.com doesn't offer any protection for individuals who can be targeted by malicious users of their site and doesn't have privacy statement, which at best can be called unprofessional and deceptive.
Belittling, ridiculing, calling names and using offending language is a common behavior on this site including main admin Heather Dobrott and possibly she is excelling in it.
Site doesn't have information about its place of business and all information about site registration is hidden from the public using service Domains by Proxy, Inc to hide identity of the owner from liability.
Main admin stated that to prosecute her business we would have to be in her jurisdiction and we would not be able to prosecute all the other members who are spread throughout the world implying that she can say and write whatever she wants and we can't do nothing about it.
She was amused with our immature and futile attempts to cause have any troubles.


We are still asking ourselves who is Heather Dobrott.
When trying to visit following urls heatherdobrott.com (http://heatherdobrott.com/) we are receiving "server not found error" after checking discussion board on Heather Dobrott aka soapboxmom found in contempt.. (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=131712) we are learning that she was found in contempt of court on August 4th and ordered to pay $3,000 because of that finding.
Here are the details of the Collin County Court Records (http://cijspub.co.collin.tx.us/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=286573) and this was in 2007. If this link doesn't work acces main site here http://cijspub.co.collin.tx.us/ . click Civil & Family Case Records, select search by "Party" and type last name Dobrott and first name Heather in the search box, then click "Search" button.


.One of the posters says this.




The dirtball Heather Dobrott thinks she is a seo pro. She prob is posting all the old stuff thinking it will help her rankings. There is enough evidence over there to put her with Madoff for invasion of privacy.





while another poster says



http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=126188&highlight=soapboxmom She's convinced,(deluded) herself that she's a 'cyber celebrity', yet she's the only one concerned about all of this. Without her posting there, the site would adisappear...not a very good sign for a 'celebrity'....http://www.scam.com/images/smilies/yelcutelaughA.gif http://www.scam.com/images/smilies/rotz.gif







more reviealing news



Quote:


Originally Posted by Frank Furter http://www.scam.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=966512#post966512)
I'd post this on her realscam site, but given her track record here, I doubt it would last very long before she would be deleting it.





LOL, you most definitely hit the nail on the head. Yes, her track record is well known in that department.

God forbid you cast any shadow on her halo. And you would find yourself banned to boot.








We are now curious what we will find tomorrow about our scam-buster Heather Dobrott. This is only info from 1 page (about 100 posts) of 415 posts in just this one thread.
So the scam-buster breaks the law herself. Now we know where she gets her experience in court matters.
It looks like there are many users on the http://www.scam.com who will be delighted in joining this class action suit.

The good thing is that this page will stay here forever and it might be just an encouragement for those who are attacked by scrupulous revenge seekers who believe that internet is wild west.
By the way site www.scam.com (http://www.scam.com/) disallows of posting of full names of accused party.

Site RealScam encourages cyber-bullying, cyber-stalking and cyber-harassment by allowing the creation of anonymous accounts and by allowing the users to present of unproven accusations towards individuals of their targeted organization. The RealScam.com turns out to be just unprofessional harassment and bashing site with no verification of facts and indiscriminate attacks at anyone who looks like an easy target.
The main admin of the site Heather Dobrott sates that she is only doing this on volunteer bases and has no time to verify each post.

RealScam instead of contributing to fighting scam encourages cyber-bullying, cyber-stalking and cyber-harassment and perpetuates the problems which it has allegedly attempting to solve.

If you have been targeted by anonymous users from the RealScamSite.com and would like to join Class Actions Suit against RealScam.com or have any information which could help to enforce some rules in regards to this site, please send us email to following address support@realscamclassactionsuit.com

Following articles might be of interests if you have been slandered, bullied, harrassed by this site or if some of the anonymous users there engaged in defamation against you.


The CDA, cyber-racketeers, the DMCA, and changes to Section 230 by Domingo Rivera (http://cyberlawyerblog.com/2008/11/26/the-cda-cyberracketeers-the-dmca-and-changes-to-section-230-by-domingo-rivera.aspx)
Internet Bloggers Beware: Ohio Court Lands Another Blow Against Those Engaging in Internet Defamation (http://cyberlawyerblog.com/2008/05/01/internet-bloggers-beware-ohio-court-lands-another-blow-against-those-engaging-in-internet-defamatio.aspx)
Internet Defamation Law - Website owners and bloggers beware - The latest interpretation of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (http://cyberlawyerblog.com/2008/04/04/internet-defamation-law-and-qualifying-as-a-service-provider--the-latest-interpretation-of-section-230-of-the-communications-decency-act.aspx)


If you are practicing law in following jurisdictions, Dallas, Texas, Burlington, Kansas, London, UK, and have expertise in slender, defamation, libel, hate letters, cyber-bullying, cyber-stalking, cyber-harassment, copyright and trademark laws and would like to represent us, please contact us here support@realscamclassactionsuit.com
Check this site for new developments as we will be updating it frequently.



So much for exciting updates. Has the cat got your tongue, Boggy? Have you figured out that Tim Darnell and Jack Weinzierl aren't the Reputation Management Specialists for you??? Maybe next time you will think before posting! Type your name in Google, Boggy. The first two pages say it all! What a gas!

:shocked:

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-03-2011, 07:11 PM
Bogdan Fiedur threatens Realscam.com and Former Adlandpro Members | View Forum | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/forum/545252/BogdanFiedurthreatensRealscamcomandFormerAdlandpro Members.aspx)


The illustrious (or not) owner of this site has threatened to sue Realscam.com and two former members of this community. Is this the type of community the members here want? Will members stay knowing that they are at risk of being threatened by their rogue owner?

RealScamClassActionSuit.com

EDITORIAL: Bogdan Fiedur Of AdLandPro’s Deplorable Bid To Chill RealScam.com In The Age Of International Mass-Marketing Fraud (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2011/11/02/editorial-bogdan-fiedur-of-adlandpros-deplorable-bid-to-chill-realscam-com-in-the-age-of-international-mass-marketing-fraud/)

http://www.realscam.com/f11/bogdan-fiedur-adlandpro-threatening-suit-against-realscam-com-913/

Will Bogdan make it impossible for his advertisers here? Will the reputation of this community drive away members and potential buyers? Will the traffic be adversely effected? Can the members trust an owner who allows obvious scams to be promoted and that allows bullying of members?

Soapboxmom

We shall see how long my new thread on Adlandpro lasts!

Soapboxmom

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Who is verifying every ad and post on here and making sure the members are not harmed by scams???

okosh
11-04-2011, 03:49 AM
Bogdan Fiedur threatens Realscam.com and Former Adlandpro Members | View Forum | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/forum/545252/BogdanFiedurthreatensRealscamcomandFormerAdlandpro Members.aspx)


We shall see how long my new thread on Adlandpro lasts!

Soapboxmom

Long gone...

The forum was not found, or does not exist.

path2prosperity
11-04-2011, 04:44 AM
If Boggie has money to spend on lawyers, he would be better spending it on good forum moderators who can smell a rat much more quickly than my very old cat!

What is the going rate for good mods in US, Canada, Germany and Oz. I am trying to get up to date with best rates that are being offered for mods in UK, as I have a few people who would not mind a paid mod job when an opportunity presents itself.

Soapboxmom
11-04-2011, 08:23 AM
Long gone...
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Boggy better get this straight. He attacks this site, our members and me and I will be responding everywhere across the net! Wish him luck with that!!!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-04-2011, 08:56 AM
RealScamClassActionSuit.com

The site RealScam.com engages in harboring disgruntled users who then create anonymous accounts on the RealScam site and out of revenge attack members, business owners and individuals accusing them of unproven actions, exposing their full names taken from their place of business or activity. Such unproven accusations cause irreparable damage to the reputation of users who have provided their full names in public places to conduct their business or other social activities.
For example these member who was identified as Judy Hortin (http://www.realscam.com/members/path2prosperity/) have been attacking members of the community she belonged to who she had disagreements with in the past. Out of revenge two other members of the community (who had no online business for several years) were accused of running scam businesses and one being a crook. Other members have been attacked and without any investigation declared as scammers or fabricated facts have been linked to them.
Judy Hortin (http://www.realscam.com/members/path2prosperity/) has been terminated from social networking site for multiple cases of breaking of community rulesafter which she has started her attacks on the owner and active community members. There is possibility that her actions could be qualified as cyber-bullying (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying), cyber-stalking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking) and cyber-harassment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberharassment). The possibility of her breaking of these acts is now being investigated for the sake of filing reports with authorities.

The RealScam.com appears to be represented by Heather Dobrott.
The RealScam.com doesn't offer any protection for individuals who can be targeted by malicious users of their site and doesn't have privacy statement, which at best can be called unprofessional and deceptive.
Belittling, ridiculing, calling names and using offending language is a common behavior on this site including main admin Heather Dobrott.
Site doesn't have information about its place of business and all information about site registration is hidden from the public using service Domains by Proxy, Inc to hide identity of the owner from liability.
Main admin stated that to prosecute her business we would have to be in her jurisdiction and we would not be able to prosecute all the other members who are spread throughout the world implying that she can say and write whatever she wants and we can't do nothing about it.
She was amused with our immature and futile attempts to cause have any troubles.


We are still asking ourselves who is Heather Dobrott.
After checking discussion board on Heather Dobrott aka soapboxmom found in contempt.. (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=131712) we are learning that she was found in contempt of court on August 4th and ordered to pay $3,000 because of that finding.
Here are the details of the Collin County Court Records (http://cijspub.co.collin.tx.us/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=286573) and this was in 2007. If this link doesn't work acces main site here http://cijspub.co.collin.tx.us/ . click Civil & Family Case Records, select search by "Party" and type last name Dobrott and first name Heather in the search box, then click "Search" button.


So the scam-buster breaks the law herself. Now we know where she gets her experience in court matters.
It looks like there are many users on the http://www.scam.com who will be delighted in joining this class action suit.

The good thing is that this page will stay here forever and it might be just an encouragement for those who are attacked by scrupulous revenge seekers who believe that internet is wild west.
By the way site www.scam.com (http://www.scam.com/) disallows of posting of full names of accused party.

Site RealScam encourages cyber-bullying, cyber-stalking and cyber-harassment by allowing the creation of anonymous accounts and by allowing the users to present of unproven accusations towards individuals of their targeted organization. The RealScam.com turns out to be just unprofessional harassment and bashing site with no verification of facts and indiscriminate attacks at anyone who looks like an easy target.
The main admin of the site Heather Dobrott sates that she is only doing this on volunteer bases and has no time to verify each post.

RealScam instead of contributing to fighting scam encourages cyber-bullying, cyber-stalking and cyber-harassment and perpetuates the problems which it has allegedly attempting to solve.

If you have been targeted by anonymous users from the RealScamSite.com and would like to join Class Actions Suit against RealScam.com or have any information which could help to enforce some rules in regards to this site, please send us email to following address support@realscamclassactionsuit.com

Following articles might be of interests if you have been slandered, bullied, harassed by this site or if some of the anonymous users there engaged in defamation against you.


The CDA, cyber-racketeers, the DMCA, and changes to Section 230 by Domingo Rivera (http://cyberlawyerblog.com/2008/11/26/the-cda-cyberracketeers-the-dmca-and-changes-to-section-230-by-domingo-rivera.aspx)
Internet Bloggers Beware: Ohio Court Lands Another Blow Against Those Engaging in Internet Defamation (http://cyberlawyerblog.com/2008/05/01/internet-bloggers-beware-ohio-court-lands-another-blow-against-those-engaging-in-internet-defamatio.aspx)
Internet Defamation Law - Website owners and bloggers beware - The latest interpretation of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (http://cyberlawyerblog.com/2008/04/04/internet-defamation-law-and-qualifying-as-a-service-provider--the-latest-interpretation-of-section-230-of-the-communications-decency-act.aspx)


If you are practicing law in following jurisdictions, Dallas, Texas, London, UK, and have expertise in slender, defamation, libel, hate letters, cyber-bullying, cyber-stalking, cyber-harassment, copyright and trademark laws and would like to represent us, please contact us here support@realscamclassactionsuit.com
Check this site for new developments as we will be updating it frequently.





Well Boggy, I see you have removed Sara's name. You also removed the Scam posts that are simply personal smears on me by known scammers. You look espcially sleazy for aligning yourself with the Tim Darnell fan club, now don't you? Every time you quote Scam you draw attention to your attraction to those vicious, lying scammers and fraudsters I exposed over there.


Boggy are you going to continue to make false allegations and perhaps try to top those of your heroes?

http://www.realscam.com/f11/jack-weinzierl-tim-darnell-fabrications-receiving-death-threats-being-stalked-soapboxmom-heather-dobrott-777/


Are you going to formally ask the destitute ding-a-lings to join you after finding their posts on Scam? "It looks like there are many users on the http://www.scam.com who will be delighted in joining this class action suit," so you said.

http://www.realscam.com/f11/jack-weinzierl-tim-darnell-fabrications-receiving-death-threats-being-stalked-soapboxmom-heather-dobrott-777/

http://www.realscam.com/f11/jack-weinzierl-multi-million-dollar-earner-destitute-ding-ling-774/

Maybe since Timmy Darnell has renounced his U.S. citizenship and Texas residency we can send him up there to live with you when the IRS or local taxing districts get his home. http://www.realscam.com/f11/tim-darnelll-timothy-spencer-darnell-non-citizen-not-texas-resident-mary-lou-starnater-affiant-894/ We were looking for somewhere to deport him to. You two are definitely a match made in hell. So, you should definitely keep linking Scam threads. It does wonders for one's reputation!

You should also continue to send me threatening e-mails. Those sure make great threads. http://www.realscam.com/f11/tim-darnell-jack-weinzierl-their-e-mails-straight-purgatory-800/

Keep it up Boggy! You are only hurting yourself and the advertisers from Adlandpro with your ridiculous antics!

Soapboxmom

laidback
11-04-2011, 09:01 AM
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Boggy better get this straight. He attacks this site, our members and me and I will be responding everywhere across the net! Wish him luck with that!!!

SoapboxmomBoggy is a freaking hypocrite! He claims that he or his cohorts claim they can't come to Realscam to discuss it because they would be banned, but he takes down a thread on adland to discuss it! If he is so sure he's right, (this applies to chicken-heart Kathleen also) why won't he allow an open debate...?

path2prosperity
11-04-2011, 10:55 AM
Well Boggy, I see you have removed Sara's name.

He has also removed his allegations that he had to dismiss me and Sara from his social networking community for fraudulent activities. I plead guilty to his allegations that I have poured scorn on some of his members like Vonbeenkom, Haalvardson, Bachman, JimAllen111 and Bernier for the scams which they promote but ATTACK. Perhaps our friend Boggie will elaborate.

It is possible but (in my opinion highly improbable) that Adland members like Bachman were unaware that the links in her signature are very dubious. It is the links in Backman's signature which I attack not the woman herself. I know nothing about her other than the fact she believes in her Mountain of Love philosophy and that she promoted Andy Bowdoin very heavily on Adlandpro.

Soapboxmom
11-04-2011, 11:43 AM
http://www.realscam.com/f11/vincent-wright-calls-soapboxmom-troll-defense-tim-darnell-advantage-conferences-serial-scammer-691/

Boggy should read this thread. Tim Darnell attacked me in direct violation of a court order and with false statements of facts. I alerted the site owner Vincent Wright. He went beserk and decided my sending him an e-mail constituted trolling. He proceeded to make 3 totally bogus police reports for trolling and information disturbances. Now, his forum is down the crapper. He closed it and only folks with invites can sign-up and access the forum. It was already almost dead traffic wise. Now is it six feet under.

Starting war with those who are devoting their time to exposing uneconomic opportunities, pyramid scams and numerous other schemes sure isn't good for business, Boggy. Vincent learned his lesson the hard way. Now, he has destroyed his own reputation and made it impossible for himself to conduct business online. All in a twisted attempt to defend known scammer Tim Darnell. Is defending Kathleen and the many other obvious scams and scammers on Adlandpro going to be in your best interest Boggy or can you now see you are single handedly destroying your own life's work? Negative publicity is a sure fire method for ending a business endeavor and you are simply begging for it!!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-04-2011, 12:17 PM
He has also removed his allegations that he had to dismiss me and Sara from his social networking community for fraudulent activities. I plead guilty to his allegations that I have poured scorn on some of his members like Vonbeenkom, Haalvardson, Bachman, JimAllen111 and Bernier for the scams which they promote but ATTACK. Perhaps our friend Boggie will elaborate.

It is possible but (in my opinion highly improbable) that Adland members like Bachman were unaware that the links in her signature are very dubious. It is the links in Backman's signature which I attack not the woman herself. I know nothing about her other than the fact she believes in her Mountain of Love philosophy and that she promoted Andy Bowdoin very heavily on Adlandpro.
Let's start with very active member and forum holder Jill Bachman. Why does Bogdan allow this crap to be peddled on Adlnadpro and put these folks in positions of authority???

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You had 37,000 uniqute visitors last month and as the graph shows it has been plummeting for the last 13 months. Lies, lies lies, Bogdan. All lies!!!!

Your forum is going down the toilet. Your advertisers are wasting their time and money on Adlanpro with the stats you have. And, your latest online meltdown drawing attention to the scams advertised there are just more nails in the coffin!!!!

Soapboxmom

laidback
11-04-2011, 01:21 PM
LOL, now you've gone and done it...!! You've taken a name and picture that were displayed publicly elsewhere and displayed them here...! That's harassment, that's cyberstalking, that bullying, that's..............hilarious...!:shocked:

path2prosperity
11-04-2011, 02:27 PM
LOL, now you've gone and done it...!! You've taken a name and picture that were displayed publicly elsewhere and displayed them here...! That's harassment, that's cyberstalking, that bullying, that's..............hilarious...!:shocked:

So that must be what I have done. It required a bit of thought to save Bogdan's picture and upload it to my own server. Perhaps this was supposed to be beyond the ability of the average IQ to comprehend.

Soapboxmom
11-04-2011, 03:12 PM
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For those really needing some comic relief check out the traffic stats for Boggy's new site. 141 unique visitors per month.

New Age U

Outer Limits is not the hot topic of discussion.


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Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-04-2011, 03:30 PM
Hello Wallace,

You are asking some questions here and I will be trying to give you my position on this.
I want to also add that this is first professional message posted here by a person associated with realscam.com. I want to comend you on this.

When a person is named a scammer on another site and that site uses underhanded practices of exposing somebodies name while their names are protected,
when it turns out that the person who exposes a supposed scammer is a former member of this community who was in disagreements with many users here and violated terms of this community,
when YOU show up on this community as an investigator (representing site where users anonymously can trash anyone they feel like),
when you instead of trying to discuss the program which is supposed scam, you concentrate on person's character traits in public forum and if this person has ability to click delete button it is her/his right to do that as this is her/his forum. They don't need to hear what you have to say about their personal life details.

If you were really intending to do the job of a good citizen of the internet, (not just scoring the points and gaining appreciation in eyes of people you represent), you would come here prepared and you would describe the features of the program which makes it scam.

You would not undermine person who is promoting it, but you would try to educate this person that the program they are engaged in is scam or ponzi scheme. If that person would still continue pushing that program and you had done good job in presenting it as scam, you would have ethical right to call this person a scammer.


If you believe that certain program is a scam, I'm asking why are you not going after the program itself. After the website which invented that program and profits from it? Wouldn't this be more effective? Is this maybe because such program owner would be more efficient in repealing such accusations? Or maybe that they have more money and can afford better lawyers while individual promoters can't afford them and can be trashed without consequences?
If you have established yourself as program critique and would have a site which would rate those programs according to your scale, you would be able to influence business opportunity seekers with your efforts. People would jump on programs which were recommended by you and would not fall into traps.

What realscam.com is doing boarders with criminality and it will only take one determined citizen who will prove it.

I as owner of this site have no ability to determine if product or program is legitimate. People here are from many countries and I don't know their laws. Something what is legal in one area, can be illegal in another. If someone reports to me that there is problem with the ad, I will look at it. I will also make best effort that our staff checks the ads if they don't break any criminal known laws. We are even removing any ads with sexual content even though they are legitimate in many jurisdictions.

We even had discussion and initiative to have best program award. You can see conclusion of this discussion here (http://www.realscam.com/forums/post/2409902/ForumInformumFeedbackforBusinessandPleasure/121.aspx).
Unfortunately we have not received any propositions for this award.

This is where our role is. We could stop accepting business opportunity ads, but we would be one of the few such sites on the Internet. Many business/resellers programs are successful in promotion for decades and operating according to the laws. Not all is scam, but to know that something is scam you need to experience it first hand or know all inner-workings of such program to make this assessment.

This is for now. I hope I have answered your questions.

I invite you to further discussion. But I expect professionalism, staying on the topic and following rules of this community.
I will not join discussion on realscam.com where back stubbing, name calling, ridiculing, foul language is a pleasurable experience for many .

You can't use on this site other people names if they have not agreed to this.



Bogdan Fiedur

Boggy,

You are making money off of advertising obvious scams and uneconomic schemes. The owner here is anonymous and does not make one red cent off of this site. It is an open discussion site and is under no obligation to verify posts that go up. If you have "no ability to determine if product or program is legitimate" then why would you expect the administrators here to make those determinations. We respect our posters right to free speech and this site will stay open and free. This site does not pass itself off as a program critique site and we would never characterize it as anything other than an open discussion site.

The individual promoters of known or suspected scams that choose to advertise publicly are choosing to make themselves fodder for online discussion. That is what happens when one advertises online. The owners and administrators have no legal liability for what is posted here by law. I suggest you get your facts straight.

You can rest assured Adlandpro has our attention now and we will be looking for thread topics there! If you choose to attack this site then you can expect us to respond accorrdingly!


Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-04-2011, 04:39 PM
If you have established yourself as program critique and would have a site which would rate those programs according to your scale, you would be able to influence business opportunity seekers with your efforts. People would jump on programs which were recommended by you and would not fall into traps.

What realscam.com is doing boarders with criminality and it will only take one determined citizen who will prove it.
The program review sites almost without exception are scams in and of themselves. Those sites put up flowery and often completely bogus reviews of opportunities in order to back door the reader into the garbage they are in fact promoting. That is totally unscrupulous.

What realscam.com is doing is providing an open discussion forum. Not a forum controlled by advertisers of various opportunities of which some are legitimate and some are clearly scams. Seems to me Adlandpro is where the money trail leads and many members have probably been terribly harmed by the programs they were recruited for there. So, just who is putting themselves in legal jeopardy??? And, since federal law and case law specifically state that the site owners and admins are not responsible for the content of others post, what is it you intend to prove in court? Where is a single false statement of fact made by any poster that you can identify and refute? Let's have it pronto!!!!

Soapboxmom

path2prosperity
11-04-2011, 05:20 PM
Bogdan's was a really high achiever when he started Adlandpro. He designed the first dedicated biz-opps search engine which at one time was almost as powerful as Google. He designed an online advertising service which was the only one used or recommended by any serious Internet marketer. He launched the first social networking community long before Twitter and Facebook.

WHAT WENT WRONG?

If Bogdan was female, I would say that the most probable reason was that she was having a bad menopause. Why has a person of Bogdan's ability got in with the wrong crowd? It hurts me so it must hurt his Mum even more.

Why does he need the Bachman's the Vonbeenkoms, the Sir Rogers and the Haarvaldsons?

path2prosperity
11-04-2011, 05:57 PM
I think it is time that we did some digging on Bogdan's mates. It is very odd that Barry Scott who runs Adland’s “Person Of The Week” forum and Barry Wood who is a member of their Polish site appear to be one and the same person.

Barry Scott from English site. -----Barry Wood Polish site member.---Barry Scott’s forum at Adland.

Cameron Hayglass is Adlandpro’s “Techman.” Is this a person or another Fiedur persona?

Cameron Hayglass See post 278 HERE (http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit-ez-wealth-solution-533/index12.html)

Whip
11-04-2011, 06:42 PM
What realscam.com is doing boarders with criminality and it will only take one determined citizen who will prove it.

Is Bogus from Adscampro the one that posted this? So he isn't determined enough? He's trying to get some other sucker to take the hit of failure?

Soapboxmom
11-04-2011, 06:45 PM
Bogdan's magic touch is obviously gone. Everything he touches is going to the dogs:

domain: pressmania.com
owner: Bogdan Fiedur
organization: Softfornet Solutions Ltd
email: http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
address: 23-845 Dakota Street, Suite 332
city: Winnipeg
state: MB
postal-code: R2M 5M3
country: CA
phone: +1.2042547228
fax: +1.2042547228
admin-c: CCOM-6849 http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
tech-c: CCOM-6849 http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
billing-c: CCOM-6849 http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
nserver: a.ns.joker.com 207.44.185.100
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expires: 2012-03-02 21:47:31 UTC
query-source: 216.145.5.42

contact-hdl: CCOM-6849
person: Bogdan Fiedur
organization: Softfornet Solutions Ltd
email: http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
address: 23-845 Dakota Street, Suite 332
city: Winnipeg
state: MB
postal-code: R2M 5M3
country: CA
phone: +1.2042547228

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It looks like the scam promoting ads and forums you are hosting across the net are sinking into oblivion. Good thing you got me investigating so folks won't get ripped off or waste their good money advertising with you!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-04-2011, 06:49 PM
The reverse Midas touch continues:


domain: linkpolonia.com
owner: Bogdan Fiedur
organization: Softfornet Solutions Ltd
email: http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
address: 23-845 Dakota Street, Suite 332
city: Winnipeg
state: MB
postal-code: R2M 5M3
country: CA
phone: +1.2042547228
fax: +1.2042547228
admin-c: CCOM-6849 http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
tech-c: CCOM-6849 http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
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person: Bogdan Fiedur
organization: Softfornet Solutions Ltd
email: http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c6fd26073cf00ba48c4f25b0d77b8894)
address: 23-845 Dakota Street, Suite 332
city: Winnipeg
state: MB
postal-code: R2M 5M3
country: CA
phone: +1.2042547228

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Not to worry Boggy, iamadipshit.com is not yet registered. Get it while you can!!!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-04-2011, 07:06 PM
Is Bogus from Adscampro the one that posted this? So he isn't determined enough? He's trying to get some other sucker to take the hit of failure?
Poor Bogdan / Boggy Fiedur just keeps on making a public spectacle of himself. Some sequins and elephants and a true circus it would be!

Where is Judge Wapner when we need him??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OqkwzI0l_k

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
11-04-2011, 09:25 PM
Fiedurs' tactics in all this are hilarious.

NONE of the information provided here has been obtained illegally.

ALL of the information provided has been obtained from the public domain.

EVERYTHING involving pictures, domain registrations, videos, names and locations has been drawn from sources freely provided by the person/s involved

NOTHING has been obtained by illegal or underhanded means.

The bottom line is, has and always will be, the fact AdLand, and by extension Bogdan Fiedur, have previously, and continue to accept money for the promotion of illegal pyramid and ponzi schemes.

Everything else is froth and bubble.

The ifs, buts and whys of why Adland did it and does it are irrelevant

The rationalizations, justifications and blaming are irrelevant.

The discussions about the rights, wrongs, ethics and morals involved are irrelevant.

I'll say again:

The bottom line is, has and always will be, the fact AdLand, and by extension Bogdan Fiedur, have previously, and continue to accept money for the promotion of illegal pyramid and ponzi schemes.

Soapboxmom
11-04-2011, 10:20 PM
http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vY29tbXVuaXR5LmFkbGFuZHByby5jb20vSW1hZ2VzL2xpZ2 h0X2dyYXlfdW5saXQucG5nKathleen (http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vY29tbXVuaXR5LmFkbGFuZHByby5jb20vbWVtYmVycy81MT Q2LmFzcHg%3D)
http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vY29tbXVuaXR5LmFkbGFuZHByby5jb20vVXNlckNvbnRlbn QvNTE0Ni81MTQ2VGh1bWJuYWlsLmpwZw%3D%3D (http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vY29tbXVuaXR5LmFkbGFuZHByby5jb20vbWVtYmVycy81MT Q2LmFzcHg%3D)











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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam


11/4/2011 11:21:33 PM




Wallace,
When I was explaining the business I promote, at RealScam, it was after I had already been called names there for months without knowing that thread existed. How can someone explain a business when under personal attacks, and then all the anonymous people there don't give the targeted person equal chance to explain the business in a fair way, one person under attack by many anonymous people?

I then went to the Announcements area "Suggestion Box" at that site and suggested that the owner's name be in a prominent place, because why should targeted people have our full names out there when the owner's name was not anywhere?
Then I was personally attacked in that "Suggestion Box" thread by 2 people, in a place which was for suggestions, then I said those people are like hooded KKK members lynching people, a bunch of ignorant gutless nobodies.
Then in my thread at Adlandpro "If we see something, we're going to say something" you kept coming back saying the biz I promote is MLM when I've explained many times on both sites that it is NOT MLM.

I also mentioned you don't know me, I don't know you or most of the people at Realscam, I'd only previously had communications with one of them while she was a member here.
So most of us there don't know each other any more than if we knew we're racists or not, that was my point.
That site does not allow people to explain businesses, how can we explain something while under personal attack by several anonymous people, and those attacks started in February and I didn't find that site until the end of September.
You people had over 7 months to prove or disprove if EZWS is a scam or if the owner or myself are scammers, before I ever found that site. Now it's 5 weeks later, and you're still in the same situation as February, EZWS is still in business and I'm still within the top few earners of it, because I've promoted it daily for 16 & a half months to dozens of ad sites daily, including email-filtering for dozens of safelists, and following up with thousands of tour-takers. I put my work into it every day for 16 & a half months, while you people at RealScam didn't put much effort into learning about EZWS at all, or what it takes to be succesful at online marketing, not just with one business, but with lots of businesses I promote. Daily.





http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit-ez-wealth-solution-533/

No matter how heated the thread may get, there are very few posts that are edited or removed here. There was nothing to stop you from responding and explaining your business, chickadee. If you can't take the heat you should stay out of the kitchen. Otherwise, explain away, but don't expect intelligent adults to agree with you. This is an open discussion site and you are not in charge and probably aren't going to be able to brainwash the very savvy people here.

It doesn't matter who the owner is you moron. The owner does not post here any longer. The owner is not liable for what others post here. There are two active admins here that enforce the rules. I don't see a rule against exposing possible or obvious scams, do you, Kathleen??? You choose to advertise publicly on the internet using your own name. That is a choice you will have to live with. If there is something that needs my attention let me know, otherwise it is what it is.

You can promote your business as you call it, but that doesn't mean that it is legitimate or legal. The vast majority of scams are not prosecuted as law enforcement is way to understaffed and underfunded. You can bet I and many others will call out any opportunities that we feel are uneconomic or outright scams. There is nothing you and Bogdan could possibly do to stop me. All you have done is called a lot of attention to yourselves. And, I have put a great deal of time and tens of thousands of dollars into my efforts to protect the public from scams. You are one of many promoters I have taken issue with. You might want to read a lot more of the threads here and really learn about who we are before you and Bogdan go any further.

Soapboxmom

Whip
11-04-2011, 10:42 PM
She's a blatant racist. Only a racist could come up with the ridiculous kkk angle.

Soapboxmom
11-04-2011, 10:53 PM
She's a blatant racist. Only a racist could come up with the ridiculous kkk angle.
That Kathleen really is a piece of work. She has a real talent for totally rewriting existing laws and twisting them to suit her vengeful attacks on those she can't brainwash and control. She never seems to grasp how foolish she makes herself look in the process of all this tomfoolery.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-04-2011, 11:06 PM
Bogdan Fiedur better take note. If his hideous slam site attacking this site and our member Judy isn't removed pronto I am going to flood the internet with press releases, comments and more domanin names I will procure and totally cover the first page of Google with his antics, so his forum will be buried in the fallout from his hideous slime attack. I will send out notices to all my media contacts and turn this into a huge hullabaloo. I don't take kindly to being threatened and having my valuable time wasted like this and I will respond very publicly and decisively. We will be doing our knitting on the forums. If the RealScamClassActionSuit.com Judy Hortin (http://www.realscamclassactionsuit.com) stays up, then the gloves will be coming off and it won't be pretty!

Soapboxmom

okosh
11-04-2011, 11:36 PM
Bogdan Fiedur better take note. If his hideous slam site attacking this site and our member Judy isn't removed pronto I am going to flood the internet with press releases, comments and more domanin names I will procure and totally cover the first page of Google with his antics, so his forum will be buried in the fallout from his hideous slime attack. I will send out notices to all my media contacts and turn this into a huge hullabaloo. I don't take kindly to being threatened and having my valuable time wasted like this and I will respond very publicly and decisively. We will be doing our knitting on the forums. If the RealScamClassActionSuit.com Judy Hortin (http://www.realscamclassactionsuit.com) stays up, then the gloves will be coming off and it won't be pretty!

Soapboxmom

Just for fun I typed Bogdan Fiedur into google.....First hit was for Judy's site....Another for PP blog....Another was for here....

Still a few spots left for you to fill on the first page SBM :RpS_wink:

Edit to add...
Great page Judy....
Adlandpro & Bogdan Fiedur. Scam & ponzi advertising service. (http://path2prosperity.com/adlandpro.html)

path2prosperity
11-05-2011, 01:55 AM
Bogdan Fiedur better take note. If his hideous slam site attacking this site and our member Judy isn't removed pronto I am going to flood the internet with press releases, comments and more domanin names I will procure and totally cover the first page of Google with his antics, so his forum will be buried in the fallout from his hideous slime attack. I will send out notices to all my media contacts and turn this into a huge hullabaloo. I don't take kindly to being threatened and having my valuable time wasted like this and I will respond very publicly and decisively. We will be doing our knitting on the forums. If the RealScamClassActionSuit.com Judy Hortin (http://www.realscamclassactionsuit.com) stays up, then the gloves will be coming off and it won't be pretty!

Soapboxmom

Thanks for what you have done SBM. He has removed his claim that both Sara I were removed from his social networking site for fraudulant activities.

I have criticised several of his members very strongly because of the scams which they promote. I have criticised others for different reasons but I consider those criticisms justified. For example I consider it very poor taste for Roger Macdivitt to have referred to himself as "Sir Roger whilst he was promoting the Fortune 2x2 scam. It may be legal for him to call himself Sir Roger for games sites or even online forums but the suggestion that our Queen has awarded gongs to ponzi promoters annoys me. Parading as a knight is certainly not doing Adland's Mr MacDavitt any good.

I have praised many of Bogdan's ex members and those who are still there to the hilt. I host my .co.uk web site with a member of Adlandpro. I started taking HTML lessons from one who was among the first to leave and I would be absolutely delighted to see Luella May as a regular contributor in this forum. She has joined RS and more of her views would be really welcome here. I would also like to hear more from "oldcoot" who is unable to read or write much at present because of ill health. I would be delighted to see Adland's Rose Enderaud here as she can contribute on so many subjects including the history of autosurfing, art, and psychic phenonomen.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
11-05-2011, 08:20 AM
As the saying goes:


If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen

Do these people STILL not understand that they are operating on the (very) PUBLIC Internet? Do they STILL not understand that people, including law enforcement and other professionals working to stop fraud, now understand how the INTERNET works as well as they do, and that they no longer have a monopoly on sending out the message? Do they STILL not understand that we have seen it all before?

They clearly do NOT understand that Real Scam was established to protect CONSUMERS from scams and to help them from throwing their money away on a bunch of smart a$$ fraudsters. They clearly do not know that they can insult and threaten whoever they like from their own pages, but that it wont stop Real Scam from getting on with its job?

As LRM concisely put it



The bottom line is, has and always will be, the fact AdLand, and by extension Bogdan Fiedur, have previously, and continue to accept money for the promotion of illegal pyramid and ponzi schemes.

So if they wish to continue as before they will just have to put up with being targetted on this board, just the same as the rest of the scam enablers. PERIOD.

scratchycat
11-05-2011, 10:36 AM
Wallace

0


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Anaheim RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam11/5/2011 3:24:35 PM
Quote:

You have explained why you think your business is legitimate, others have explained why they think it is not. The decision is still yours as are the responsibilities and/or rewards/consequences.


Hi Wallace,

Why don't you explain here point by point why this business is not a legitimate business for anyone to see here at Adlandpro.com.
Please use specific industry/legal references to prove your points. Bring the best resources proving that this business breaks the law or uses some other unethical means to exploit the promoters/resellers/customers.
Please be specific/technical as you can and don't use just yours or others opinions.

This will be a real test for what both sides are claiming and I will use it in the special forum here on the site to inform the users of this program.

I will also attempt to find an expert in the area of legality of those programs to verify those claims for USA and Canada and will publish his/her findings for public viewing.
So not only you will have the opportunity to critique the program but also hear the points of those who promote it and in addition the legal expert will compile a report for you what they think about it based on your findings and statements of those who promote this program.

Bogdan Fiedur


The title and purpose of this thread is to examine the friction between Adland and Realscam, not to prove or disprove EZW legitimacy. That is and always has been the purview of enforcement agencies. A certain portion of that friction is due to the reception Kathleen and EZW received at Realscam. A large portion is due to threats by you and her to bring lawsuits and legal actions, as well as your accusations of supposed criminal activities by Realscam admin as well as former members of your own community.



Thank you Wallace for starting a forum in Adland to try and bring some justification behind the posting of a class action suit against 2 former members and this community, RealScam. I don't believe there is any. I don't imagine the forum will last long unless the big mouths can continue to blow hot air as they always do. Sorry you have to be a loner there but most of us have been banned who could actually bring some truth to light.

scratchycat
11-05-2011, 10:43 AM
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What I am seeing in Adland now is that the floodgates have opened to allow any and all "programs" to post their 'come on' ads.

SBM, you have my support on that class action suit which is a sham of a threat. I do not know why my name was removed, I have made some attempts at figuring out why and received some suggestions. It really makes no difference because I am a member here and have a right to state my opinions and copy & paste PUBLIC information.

scratchycat
11-05-2011, 10:52 AM
I am not sure if you will be able to view this link or not. If you are a member of AIF in Facebook, you will:


https://www.facebook.com/groups/adlanders/10150390483639281/

scratchycat
11-05-2011, 10:55 AM
It was started after a member of the administration received a letter suggesting that I should not be an administrator.


Georgios Paraskevopoulos
Dear Adlanders in Facebook!
A short annoncement. Sara G Blow left ALP for her reasons. Sara has always been a very active social worker and she have done lots of excellent forums supporting the teams and all activities in ALP. You may think that she should not stay as an admin in this group. I GO GRANT FOR HER. I know she will never go against her good old friends, she will always support and love this excellent team of old social workers. We all were once active social workers in ALP and we will remain close friends.

Georgios Paraskevopoulos
Creator of AdLAnders in Facebook


He later posted this:


Georgios Paraskevopoulos Hi Goddess of Atlantis!
I fully agree with you. Of course nobody said here that Sara should go. I can not hide from truth. I got a message from Bogdan which I forwarded to both Patricia and Sara. I can undestand the bitterness of some AdLan...dPro members. Now they don't have anyone to hack on, I mean now they have MONOLOGY there instead of DIALOGUE. My stupid language is so great that it is a lesson of knowing it. MONOS means "alone" and DIA means divide with other wors SHARE. WISDOM is ti be shared and not to be kept for ourselves.
We will go on and Sara REMAINS as co-Admin with me and Patrica Bartch. We were the first members here.

The irony of this is the FACT that I am the person who added Bogdan Fiedur to the group.

scratchycat
11-05-2011, 11:12 AM
Mohamed

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Dubai

RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam11/5/2011 1:41:20 PM
I honestly feel.....that Bogdan and Kathleen.....have given the "right explanation".

Appreciated.....!

I am with Bogdan and Kathleen.......!

With lots of Love, Affection, Respect and Prayers......!

Friendly Yours,

Gani.

http://www.agloco.com/r/BBBP8622 Build Your Network Marketing (MLM) Business With Our Revolutionary Tools (http://www.wealthonauto.com/members/Gani) retireonspending.com (http://www.retireonspending.com/gani)


Is the same person who posted this in Adlanders in Facebook:


Mohamed Khadar Gani Hai.....Friends.....! I am with you......! I request Sara not to leave AdlandPro.......(if she was asked to leave.....then that is something different).
33 minutes ago · LikeUnlike.Mohamed Khadar Gani My Friend......Gerorgios......! Let us not....miss......Sara.......Please ?

If I had to guess who has made influence with this person it would be this one:


Jim

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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam11/5/2011 3:49:43 PM
Please expand, as there is no comparison. I do feel that way as that is exactly what you have done. I suggest those that cast stones (accusations) not live in glass houses. Wasn't Wallace, a name we recognize as someone's protector/husband? Now the pieces are coming together, the blow hards never cease to amaze and offend.


Oh how he loves using those words!!

scratchycat
11-05-2011, 11:26 AM
Venerina Conti9:25am Nov 5
I am sorry but what has one thing got to do with another? This is not an Adland site. This is Facebook and it would be stupid, selfish and petty to not let Sara continue to be an admin here. So what if she left AdlandPro? That doesn't make her less of a friend to those who she has followed and been followed by over the last x amount of years. I suggest that immature members of AdlandPro stay in AdlandPro with their heartlessness. If they don't like Sara being an admin here, then let them leave the group!

These are the kind of responses they have been getting in the request to remove me from AIF.

Soapboxmom
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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam



11/5/2011 6:26:59 AM





You have explained why you think your business is legitimate, others have explained why they think it is not. The decision is still yours as are the responsibilities and/or rewards/consequences.


Hi Wallace,

Why don't you explain here point by point why this business is not a legitimate business for anyone to see here at Adlandpro.com.
Please use specific industry/legal references to prove your points. Bring the best resources proving that this business breaks the law or uses some other unethical means to exploit the promoters/resellers/customers.
Please be specific/technical as you can and don't use just yours or others opinions.

This will be a real test for what both sides are claiming and I will use it in the special forum here on the site to inform the users of this program.

I will also attempt to find an expert in the area of legality of those programs to verify those claims for USA and Canada and will publish his/her findings for public viewing.
So not only you will have the opportunity to critique the program but also hear the points of those who promote it and in addition the legal expert will compile a report for you what they think about it based on your findings and statements of those who promote this program.

Bogdan Fiedur




Kathleen's business has been thoroughly exposed and evaluated here (http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit-ez-wealth-solution-533/). Isn't that what you goons were complaining about to begin with?

Robert Fitzpatrick and Dr. Jon Taylor, for their usual fees, might be willing to do a thorough analysis of a business opportunity and prepare an in depth report. How much are you willing to spend, Boggy??? They are without question the experts.

Not to mention there are very knowledgeable posters here and in fact there are numerous legal and financial experts that post and volunteer at Quatloos.com. Why not start discussions of questionable business opportunties there as well??

Let's get to it!!!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-05-2011, 11:32 AM
These are the kind of responses they have been getting in the request to remove me from AIF.
You absolutely should stay an active admin and member on Facebook. That should be the social site and an enjoyable spot for all. Adlandpro is not a community or social site. It is a place that is designed to solicit businesses of which some are legitimate and some are egregious scams. Never the twain shall meet!

Soapboxmom

scratchycat
11-05-2011, 11:52 AM
RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam11/5/2011 3:49:43 PM
Please expand, as there is no comparison. I do feel that way as that is exactly what you have done. I suggest those that cast stones (accusations) not live in glass houses. Wasn't Wallace, a name we recognize as someone's protector/husband? Now the pieces are coming together, the blow hards never cease to amaze and offend.


This is hilarious!!! Now I get it!! He thinks Wallace is my husband!!! :loser:

Best joke today!!

scratchycat
11-05-2011, 11:55 AM
Kathleen's business has been thoroughly exposed and evaluated here. Isn't that what you goons were complaining about to begin with?



EXACTLY!! The thing is most members are not going to come here and read it, so it is safe to ask that in ALP. Someone should post the explanations or at least part of them. Bet that will be deleted real soon!!

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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam



11/5/2011 6:26:59 AM





You have explained why you think your business is legitimate, others have explained why they think it is not. The decision is still yours as are the responsibilities and/or rewards/consequences.


Hi Wallace,

Why don't you explain here point by point why this business is not a legitimate business for anyone to see here at Adlandpro.com.
Please use specific industry/legal references to prove your points. Bring the best resources proving that this business breaks the law or uses some other unethical means to exploit the promoters/resellers/customers.
Please be specific/technical as you can and don't use just yours or others opinions.

This will be a real test for what both sides are claiming and I will use it in the special forum here on the site to inform the users of this program.

I will also attempt to find an expert in the area of legality of those programs to verify those claims for USA and Canada and will publish his/her findings for public viewing.
So not only you will have the opportunity to critique the program but also hear the points of those who promote it and in addition the legal expert will compile a report for you what they think about it based on your findings and statements of those who promote this program.

Bogdan Fiedur




Kathleen's business has been thoroughly exposed and evaluated here (http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit-ez-wealth-solution-533/). Isn't that what you goons were complaining about to begin with?

Robert Fitzpatrick and Dr. Jon Taylor, for their usual fees, might be willing to do a thorough analysis of a business opportunity and prepare an in depth report. How much are you willing to spend, Boggy??? They are without question the experts.

Not to mention there are very knowledgeable posters here and in fact there are numerous legal and financial experts that post and volunteer at Quatloos.com. Why not start discussions of questionable business opportunties there as well??

Let's get to it!!!

Soapboxmom

Sounds like he's wanting to drag clem into it. lol.

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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam



11/5/2011 1:00:18 PM




Wallace,
I was referred to as a "culprit" in the first post by the person who started that thread, with no explanation, and also my ad was accused of being against FTC rules, when it is not, because I did earn that, and all I did to earn that money was post ads online and send followup emails, just like EZWS says is possible...those are things that most onliners do every day, that is an achievable income for people who put in an effort just to do those simple things online.
The people who THINK the business is not legitimate only gave their opinions and speculations. Can ANY of you explain the pay plan from memory, if you've ever studied the pay plan?

Of all the thousands of worldwide members of EZWS for 4 years, there are no posts anywhere online from any members or former members stating they didn't get the products/services they paid for...
People pay $10 for the sales sites, mailing system and tracking system, they all get those, and then some choose to pay for one to all five of the digital product packages with master resale rights, and they get those.
Of all the dozens of Adlandpro members in EZWS, none of them have made any statements in this community about not getting what they paid for from EZWS. During the several weeks of this situation, have you seen any Adlandpro/EZWS members saying they didn't get what they paid for?

If people don't earn money, it's because they don't put in a longterm consistent effort to advertise and gain tour-takers, and followup and tell them the benefits of joining. Longterm is more than a few days, more than a week. People need to maintain their own focus for months and be self-driven.
I didn't even see anyone on RealScam who was self-driven enough to thoroughly study the EZWS business and be able to explain it, everyone can watch the pay-plan videos for free and read the transcript of the compensation plan for free, as many times as they want, without putting any money into the business.
If anyone says digital products are not "real", all those 700 digital products can be printed out onto thousands of pages of real paper. Some of those digital products contain video tutorials, which obviously can NOT be watched from a printed page. Some of them contain autoresponder systems which obviously can NOT be used from a printed page. The "realness" of a digital product is the result of the action taken upon it, not whether or not it can be held in your hand. If people learn something from a video and use that new knowledge to improve their life, that's realness. If people use an autoresponder to handle their business communications and earn money while asleep, that's realness.





Kathleen, let's start with your atypical earnings claims.

FTC: What is the Federal Trade Commission Doing to Internet Marketing? (http://mikeyounglaw.com/internet-lawyer/ftc-what-is-the-federal-trade-commission-doing-to-internet-marketing/)

For good or bad, the U.S. Federal Trade Commission under the Obama administration is going to take a more pro-consumer stance than we’ve seen in years. What’s that mean to your business?With little understanding of how social media works, the FTC will be looking at its prior success in cracking down on deceptive business practices both in franchising and multilevel (MLM)/network marketing.
Here’s where I see things headed…
1. Affiliates will be required to disclose financial compensation is involved when they promote a particular product or service in exchange for a commission. In particular, this is going to affect “review” sites, blogger “recommendations,” Facebook posts, and even Tweets that contain affiliate links. This is going to be particularly troublesome for Twitter because of the 140-character limit.
2. Anyone who receives a complimentary review copy and writes or blogs a recommendation will need to disclose the “freebie” to the reader. That means no more positive spinning buzz for a $2,000 info product as a favor to a friend who gave you a free review copy pre-launch.
3. Testimonials are going to need verification for accuracy and, if the results are atypical, there will need to be a prominent disclaimer to that effect plus a disclosure as to what are typical results. For example, if Joe Smith claims he made $10,000 the first month using your biz opp product, you better (a) verify Smith’s claim is accurate, (b) let the reader know if those results are atypical, and (c) disclose what the typical purchaser really earns.
4. If there are expert endorsements, there will likely be a requirement that the endorsement is backed by generally accepted scientific proof (not some wild theory from Dr. Ima Quack who earned her doctorate from the correspondence school New Age University of Alternative Reality Living while institutionalized as a psychiatric patient). Bogus testimonials aren’t going to cut it, particular when your offer relates to earning money or health issues.
5. In lawsuits and actions by state attorneys general, all of the above will be taken into account when making charges of fraudulent and deceptive trade practices against Internet marketers. That’s in addition to what the FTC and FDA will do at the federal level.


Type in FTC atypical earnings on Google and Realscam comes up first. Remember my favorite scammers to chase around sued the BBB? Well, Jack Weinzierl's atypical earnings claims were a matter discussed by the BBB's attorney in their winning Summary Judgment Motion. You never know when you could be next, Kathleen. 427

Kathleen, people earning money does not make an opportunity legitimate. A handful of people made money in Advantage Conferences. 98% lost money in that adjudicated pyramid scheme. Madoff and his top poeple made money in that scam. Do you think that makes it legitimate???

Having a product doesn't guarantee an opportunity is legitimate either. If there is no mechanism for retail sales and the majority of the sales occur inside the pyramid to participants in the pay plan, it could be deemed an illegal pyramid.


TOP MLM NETWORK MARKETING PARTY PLAN LAW BOOK PROTECTS YOU PLUS A LIST OF TOP MLM LAWYERS & LEGAL MLM COMPENSATION PAY PLANS (http://www.mlmconsultant.com/mlm_law.htm)

The U.S. FTC has been moving steadily toward measuring the amount of Sales to Distributors compared to the dollar amount generated by sales to end consumers (Customers that do not belong to the pay plan). If there aren’t enough Customers, the MLM Company is considered a Pyramid Scheme. Regulators have found that pure pyramid schemes don’t have any end consumer customers. The definition of a Customer is a person that only buys product or services and doesn’t belong to the compensation plan and has no expectation of making money. The FTC Consumer Affairs people said in public speeches (not written rules) that MLM – Network Marketing Companies need to have a minimum of 50% Customers (that do not belong to the pay plan) to prove they are not a pyramid scheme. ....

"CUSTOMERS" CASE #1

FTC BURNS BURN LOUNGE!

The money in Burn Lounge was coming from recruiting.... Not the 50% of income from Customers/Product Sales the FTC wants.....

CASE #2. In this case with Mall Ventures in 2004 the FTC took court action but did not shut the company down.

CASE #2 PARAGRAPH 9. “Retail Sales” means sales of products, services, or business ventures by defendants, their successors, assigns, agents, servants, employees, and those persons in active concert or participation with them to third-party end users. Retail Sales does not include sales made by a participant in a multi-level marketing program to other participants, recruits, or the participant’s own account....

"CUSTOMERS" CASE #3

The FTC and Federal Marshals walked into SkyBiz offices on 31 August 2001 and shut the company down. This is normal for the FTC since they don’t want to fight the legal power MLM and other types of companies have. They get a preliminary injunction in secret, walk in, and shut the company down.

This is from 2 Jan 2002 FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND ORDER FOR PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION REGARDING SKYBIZ INTERNATIONAL LTD. .For complete case see CD-ROM #1 FTC that comes with the law book. Please note the critical elements (causes for action) presented on pages 14 and 15 of the lawsuit in this case. The third paragraph is the newest refined and the biggest change in the Customer direction for the FTC in determining MLM vs. Pyramid Scheme. The height of humor (or despair) was when SkyBiz sent out this email looking for Customers a couple of days before the trial started. Have a laugh, or frown, Skybiz did not even know if they had customers that were end users! Read This:

aaa@attglobal.net; Leslie Tumlin (Jack *********'s buddy in Local Ad Link) ; Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:04 PM

Subject: Trial Preparation Friends of SkyBiz:



Urgent To All SkyBiz Members

We need the names and addresses of EVERY SATISFIED consumer that bought the SkyBiz products and have never sold the business opportunity. We also need the names and addresses of five VERY ZEALOUS Associates who are in the program, but haven't made a whole lot of money. Please keep in mind, we need consumers and associates who would not be reluctant about testifying in court and who presumably are in the United States (for travel purposes). If any of the potential witnesses you suggest are outside the U.S., please identify what country they're in. I need this information at your earliest convenience. Thank you.

Martin Allen Brown, General Counsel

SkyBiz

World Service Corporation

(Author Note) In this following paragraph, the FTC shows it’s push for “retail sales to customers who don’t belong to the pay plan.”

CASE #3 PARAGRAPH 15. A lawful multi-level marketing program is distinguishable from an illegal pyramid scheme in the sense that the "primary purpose" of the enterprise and its associated individuals is to sell or market an end-product with end-consumers and not to reward associated individuals for the recruitment of more marketers or “associates” See Gold Unlimited, 171 F.3d at 483-84 (suggesting that based on a statutory survey of state criminal laws against pyramid schemes, this is a difference). See also Ger-Ro-Mar, Inc. v. FTC, 518 F.2d 33. 36 (2d Cir. 1975) (explaining that the distributors profited by earning commissions from their own sales and those of their recruits); In re Amway Corp., 93 F.T.C. 618, 716 (1979) (sponsors do not make money from their recruits' efforts until a newly recruited distributor begins to make wholesale purchases from his sponsor and sales to consumers) ....

"CUSTOMERS" CASE #4

FTC Press Release: Consumers paid a registration fee to join the NexGen program, and most also purchased a “WebSuite” including the Internet Mall and related goods and services. A “Basic WebSuite”cost $185, including the registration fee, and a “Power Pack WebSuite” cost $555. NexGen allegedly claimed that “each activated business center has the potential to earn up to $60,000 per week.”

CASE #4 PARAGRAPH 24. NexGen also paid commissions to affiliates on purchases from Internet merchants that resulted from visits to the affiliates' malls. Similarly, affiliates earned commissions from purchases directed to third-party Internet merchants as a result of visits through the malls of their downline. The commissions NexGen paid on these purchases were relatively small compared to the commissions it paid on sales of websuites to new recruits....

"CUSTOMERS" CASE #5

CASE #5. In the “BigSmart” case, you can see that the FTC is refining its wording of end user and customer. This was a walk in and shut down operation by the FTC and Federal Marshals. You can see some outline of changing requirements:

CASE #5 Subparagraph C. “Prohibited marketing scheme,” means a pyramid sales scheme, Ponzi scheme, chain marketing scheme or other marketing plan or program characterized by the payment participants of money to the program in return for which they receive (1) the right to sell a product or service and (2) the right to receive in return for recruiting other participants into the program rewards which are unrelated to the sale of products or services to ultimate users. Rewards are “unrelated” to the sale of products or services to ultimate users if rewards are not based primarily on revenue from retail sales.

CASE #5 Subparagraph D. “Retail Sales” means sales of products, services, or business ventures by Defendant, his successors, assigns, agents, servants, employees, and those persons in active concert or participation with them to third-party end users. “Retail Sales” does not include sales made by participants in a multi-level marketing program to other participants, recruits, or to such a participant’s own account.

CASE #5 Subparagraph E. “Ultimate users” are purchasers of retail sales.......
"CUSTOMERS" CASE #6

On December 9, 1999, the FTC filed suit in U. S. District Court for the District of Maryland seeking a preliminary and permanent injunction and a legal asset freeze against Dallas-based 2Xtreme Performance International that was a Pyramid Scheme (bad one) disguised as an MLM – Network Marketing Company. The FTC legal complaint alleged that the defendants used Web sites, direct mail, infomercials, telemarketing and seminars to convince consumers they could make substantial income by investing in their multi-level marketing scheme, which marketed nutritional supplements, beauty, weight-loss and other products. Marketing materials represented that consumers could expect to earn enough MLM – Network Marketing income to retire in two years, while the pseudo MLM Company ripped them off for $10,000 - $30,000. We can see the shaping of precedent law in the following paragraph. The Final Settlement said:

CASE #6 Subparagraph F. “Prohibited marketing program” means any marketing program, Ponzi scheme, chain marketing scheme, or other marketing plan or program in which a person who participates makes a payment and receives the right, license or opportunity to derive income as a participant primarily from: (i) the recruitment of additional recruits by the participant, program promoter or others; (ii) non-retail sales made to or by such recruits or their recruits; or (iii) any other payments made by recruits. For purposes of this Final Order, a "prohibited marketing program" does not include a marketing plan or program in which the program promoter demonstrates to the defendant that it has instituted and enforced rules that have the actual effect of ensuring that the participants in the program derive income from the retail sale of goods or services to persons who are end-users of the goods or services and who are not participants in the program....

"CUSTOMERS" CASE #7

The FTC charged that income from the FutureNet multilevel marketing plan did not depend on sales of the Internet devices they were purportedly selling, but rather on the recruitment of new distributors -- the typical profile of an illegal pyramid....

FEDERAL MLM - TO PYRAMID CASE HISTORY JEWELWAY INTERNATIONAL

"CUSTOMERS" CASE #8

In a pyramid scheme there is almost no emphasis on making retail sales of products to persons who are not participants in the program. According to an FTC expert, earnings claims made in conjunction with promoting a pyramid scheme are false because pyramids inevitably collapse when no new participants can be recruited and approximately 90% (or possibly more) of the participants consequently lose their money..... CASE #8 PARAGRAPH 15. A lawful multi-level marketing program is distinguishable from an illegal pyramid scheme in the sense that the "primary purpose" of the enterprise and its associated individuals is to sell or market an end-product with end-consumers and not to reward associated individuals for the recruitment of more marketers or “associates”
You Kathleen and your threatening goon Friend Bogdan Fiedur are totally clueless!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-05-2011, 12:27 PM
Sounds like he's wanting to drag clem into it. lol.
Clem Lemons. Yikes! I hope heBoggy has unlimited hosting available. With that windbag he is gonna need it!

Soapboxmom

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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam



11/5/2011 3:16:16 PM




Wallace,
==>> I keep forgetting to ask what is your ID name(s) at RealScam, any and all names you've used in threads regarding me or other Adlandpro members? You know mine is kcvan2011 over there, so it's in fairness that we should all know yours so we can go look to see everything you wrote there.
As far as whether or not RealScam members are racist, as long as that thread remained after October 24th with my name and Jason Lamure's names in it, or any other posts there with our names, to try to cut us down and potentially cause me to lose income for both my one-fourth Indonesian sons, and potentially cause him to lose income for his 3 sons who are one-fourth Native American, and he's also half Native American, that is knowingly perpetuating a loss of income for 7 people, 6 of whom are of minority descent. My sons are also the grandsons of a WW2 concentration camp survivor, so my ex-husband and his branch of our family almost didn't exist because of haters from a very long time ago.
My post of October 24th when I mentioned it: http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2483300/IfWeSEESOMETHINGWereGoingToSAYSOMETHING/17.aspx (http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vY29tbXVuaXR5LmFkbGFuZHByby5jb20vZm9ydW1zL3Bvc3 QvMjQ4MzMwMC9JZldlU0VFU09NRVRISU5HV2VyZUdvaW5nVG9T QVlTT01FVEhJTkcvMTcuYXNweA%3D%3D)
Also, my half-Indonesian ex-mother-in-law was held captive in a Philippine concentration camp when she was a small child in the 1940's, with her sisters and mother, under abusive and starvation conditions, that's verifiable, they received a small monetary amount for that a few years ago when she was in her 60's.

So I'm keeping my opinion about the anonymous attackers at RealScam trying to continuously cut the potential and motivation and kill the human spirit of people who try hard to maintain their lives. If that continued after my Adlandpro post of October 24th, then it's true, people at RealScam ARE a group of anonymous hate perpetuators.
When you personally attack people you don't know, you're attacking the future of the entire world in front of the entire world. Then to keep doing it, is just pointless hate.





Kathleen, you are the idiot that brought your personal life into this. Exposing possible scams is in no way perpetuating hate. It is a public service and with law enforcement understaffed and underfunded a very necessary activity. If you and Boggy hadn't taken off after this site with your slam site soliciting a class action lawsuit, then you wouldn't be getting all this publicity.

I am only interested in seeing folks have the information they need to make informed decisions and not end up losing money in questionable schemes. You are only out to threaten and harass people in order to silence legitimate critics. That almost without exception backfires. Expect that if you and Bogdan don't take down that slam site that your name and business will be exposed on many more site, press releases and domain names directed at responding to your class action site. Good luck with that!

Soapboxmom

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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam




11/5/2011 5:06:24 PM








Hi Wallace,

Why don't you explain here point by point why this business is not a legitimate business for anyone to see here at Adlandpro.com.
Please use specific industry/legal references to prove your points. Bring the best resources proving that this business breaks the law or uses some other unethical means to exploit the promoters/resellers/customers.
Please be specific/technical as you can and don't use just yours or others opinions.

This will be a real test for what both sides are claiming and I will use it in the special forum here on the site to inform the users of this program.

I will also attempt to find an expert in the area of legality of those programs to verify those claims for USA and Canada and will publish his/her findings for public viewing.
So not only you will have the opportunity to critique the program but also hear the points of those who promote it and in addition the legal expert will compile a report for you what they think about it based on your findings and statements of those who promote this program.

Bogdan Fiedur



The title and purpose of this thread is to examine the friction between Adland and Realscam, not to prove or disprove EZW legitimacy. That is and always has been the purview of enforcement agencies. A certain portion of that friction is due to the reception Kathleen and EZW received at Realscam. A large portion is due to threats by you and her to bring lawsuits and legal actions, as well as your accusations of supposed criminal activities by Realscam admin as well as former members of your own community.


The reason of friction is that realscam.com allows their members to hide anonymously and expose other people names linking them to scam including this site as being involved in those activities.

Yet we know for a fact, that members who we identified on realscam.com were the members of this community and have disagreements with all those who are being accused on realscam.com of scam including two of our community members who even didn't have business for several years.

We believe that real motivation to accuse those members of being scammers was revenge for being terminated from this site and to punish those who they were in disagreements with.

If you really are who you are, I'm asking that you upload your own picture here and accept the opportunity to critique the program which I have offered to you. If you know for a fact that it is a scam, you should have no problems showing it.
If you are going to be able to disclose that program is illegitimate and this will be confirmed by the legal expert who we will hire, you will confirm your accusations of program being a scam. This will be enough for us to apply our community terms towards those who violated it.
Also you would show that you really stand behind this profile if you could show us some other of your identities you have on the internet so we could verify that you are a real person. The same way as we do here.

The legality of my actions towards realscam.com is not for you to discuss with me here. For this are legal experts and they will be looking into this and have discussion in appropriate settings.



Bogdan Fiedur






Boggy, you are not going to end the time honored practice of allowing posters to post anonymously on the internet. You are delusional if you think that is going to happen by harassing this site. You can run your site any way you wish, but I will not be bullied by you or any other scam promoters! Staying anonymous is savvy for those exposing possible scams as I have faced a frivolous suit and been threatened on numerous occasions. You, Bogdan, are obsessed with exposing your detractors when you should be focusing on intelligently refuting what we say. You had better get that site RealScamClassActionSuit.com Judy Hortin (http://www.realscamclassactionsuit.com) down pronto before the deluge of scathing responses go up literally all over the net.

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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam



11/5/2011 6:45:50 PM





Your TOS disclaims responsibility for member posts, but you seem to think that Realscam should be. That appears to be a bit of a double standard.


The difference between this site and realscam is that if a person reports to me violation of the terms, I will remove the content and/or terminate the user who commits violation if it is a repeated case. When I requested to remove my name and my business name from the admin of realscam, my request was ignored and further accusations were made towards other members of this site implicating me in each of them after this by the former member of this community.
The opinions of the legitimacy of the programs are just exactly that based on observation and interpretation of statutes. Your interpretation may be different.If you feel that all "opportunities" offered at Adland are legitimate, go with it, or invoke the disclaimer to avoid the responsibility, your choice. Again, that is not the purpose of this thread, but is a contributing factor to the friction.

When you quote person name in your statement accusing them of breaking the law, you are not providing the opinion but statement of facts. When you are asked to back up those facts, you seem to be at loss. I don't even know why the program in question is scam because you and those who made those statements have never shown that, except stating that it is a scam.
When you accusing other person of wrong doing, you should have decency to show it, because you might be correct. Since you are not showing it and only make accusations, you are potentially in conflict with the law, as this is considered slander or defamation.

And yes, the TOS offer disclaimer that content on this site is responsibility of those who placed it. We remove content which violates our terms when reported.


Bogdan Fiedur





The name of your website, Adlandpro will never be removed from this site and neither will your name, Bogdan. We have the right to discuss whatever we wish here. You are not in charge, Boggy. The rules here are honored and clearly state "The administrators and moderators will also use good judgment and what they decide goes, so please heed any warnings you are given." I chose not to remove the material you objected to because there was no legitimate reason to do so. I am warning you that you have started a battle that I will finish.

I have come to know many scam victims very well. I have seen the emotional pain and financial ruin. I buried my best friend who came to live with us after her losses in MLM left her homeless. She took her own life as she saw no hope of recovering financially and her MLM involvement had cost her her only child. I have been sued and repeatedly threatened. That has just steeled my resolve to look out for those who could be harmed. I feel morally and ethically obligated to stand for what is right. You should have discreetly sought legal help before you made a horse's rear out of yourself. You are not going to rewrite federal law which states that the owners and administrators of sites are not responsible for the content of others. Nor, are you going to make any case law.

It has been explained ad nauseum on here and on Adlandpro why Kathleen's clunker is a scam and the many red flags associated with it. How many times must we rehash it? Read the thread and do demand the average earnings and the percentage of retail sales for that opportunity so we can discuss it further since you seem so anxious to confirm there are many red flags for that deal!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-05-2011, 02:35 PM
I love the humorous remarks on the Facebook page a lot of former Adlanpro members congregate on. Who can beat this one:


....the friends you keep when you have left. It's a great place to leave. lol
Anyone who wants to be safe from being scammed and wants to keep their good reputation intact will be leaving with all due haste!!!

Soapboxmom

Lil Ol' Radical Me
11-05-2011, 04:33 PM
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The please is all mine. lol

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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam



11/5/2011 3:16:16 PM




Wallace,
==>> I keep forgetting to ask what is your ID name(s) at RealScam, any and all names you've used in threads regarding me or other Adlandpro members? You know mine is kcvan2011 over there, so it's in fairness that we should all know yours so we can go look to see everything you wrote there.
As far as whether or not RealScam members are racist, as long as that thread remained after October 24th with my name and Jason Lamure's names in it, or any other posts there with our names, to try to cut us down and potentially cause me to lose income for both my one-fourth Indonesian sons, and potentially cause him to lose income for his 3 sons who are one-fourth Native American, and he's also half Native American, that is knowingly perpetuating a loss of income for 7 people, 6 of whom are of minority descent. My sons are also the grandsons of a WW2 concentration camp survivor, so my ex-husband and his branch of our family almost didn't exist because of haters from a very long time ago.
My post of October 24th when I mentioned it: http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2483300/IfWeSEESOMETHINGWereGoingToSAYSOMETHING/17.aspx (http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vY29tbXVuaXR5LmFkbGFuZHByby5jb20vZm9ydW1zL3Bvc3 QvMjQ4MzMwMC9JZldlU0VFU09NRVRISU5HV2VyZUdvaW5nVG9T QVlTT01FVEhJTkcvMTcuYXNweA%3D%3D)
Also, my half-Indonesian ex-mother-in-law was held captive in a Philippine concentration camp when she was a small child in the 1940's, with her sisters and mother, under abusive and starvation conditions, that's verifiable, they received a small monetary amount for that a few years ago when she was in her 60's.

So I'm keeping my opinion about the anonymous attackers at RealScam trying to continuously cut the potential and motivation and kill the human spirit of people who try hard to maintain their lives. If that continued after my Adlandpro post of October 24th, then it's true, people at RealScam ARE a group of anonymous hate perpetuators.
When you personally attack people you don't know, you're attacking the future of the entire world in front of the entire world. Then to keep doing it, is just pointless hate.





Kathleen, you are the idiot that brought your personal life into this. Exposing possible scams is in no way perpetuating hate. It is a public service and with law enforcement understaffed and underfunded a very necessary activity. If you and Boggy hadn't taken off after this site with your slam site soliciting a class action lawsuit, then you wouldn't be getting all this publicity.

I am only interested in seeing folks have the information they need to make informed decisions and not end up losing money in questionable schemes. You are only out to threaten and harass people in order to silence legitimate critics. That almost without exception backfires. Expect that if you and Bogdan don't take down that slam site that your name and business will be exposed on many more site, press releases and domain names directed at responding to your class action site. Good luck with that!

Soapboxmom

Ugh. The faux sympathy bullshit that all scammers use. Hiding behind alleged kids as human shields. Typical shitbag.

path2prosperity
11-05-2011, 06:33 PM
Ugh. The faux sympathy bullshit that all scammers use. Hiding behind alleged kids as human shields. Typical shitbag.

It could be true Whip. I do not think she is the the usual species of scammer who ends up dying of cancer like most "Mutt's" and Jack Cobb's. I think she has been hung out to dry by a yet unknown puppeteer, The ones that Patrick calls steroidal puppeteers. There is even a lot of speculation among existing and ex Adlanders as to who "owns" Adlandpro. If we go on the premise that "he who pays the piper calls the tune" then Bogdan is "owned." not owner. He is a very different persona from the one who started the first social networking community in 2002 and was able to attract "thinking people" to join him.

EagleOne
11-05-2011, 06:36 PM
This has been one fun thread to read. I cannot believe how much comic relief Bogdan has provided me from his attack against RS, and his huffing and puffing about suing a couple of former members of alp. And it has been just that huffing and puffing.

The person who contacted me was very concerned he would sue as threatened in his communication. I knew immediately it was all huffing and puffing and he could not and would not sue anyone, let alone this person. It was meant only to intimidate this person from posting. The threat of that works on some people, but I told this person to ignore him, and report his missive to the admin's here.

I guess now that I have posted this information, I too will be added to Bogdan's lawsuit. :scared_1: I should be so lucky. He is not going to sue anyone. As previously stated he has now boxed himself into a corner, and is now scrambling to find a way out to try and save face. Well Bogdan, I think you have now stepped into it big time, and it is going to be fun to see how you claim you won but won't file a lawsuit. We all know you are going to try, but it will be all lies as usual. But thanks for the belly laughs.

path2prosperity
11-05-2011, 07:05 PM
. But thanks for the belly laughs. Perhaps that remark will be a good que for RS "giggle girl" to enter the arena! That will be fun!

Lil Ol' Radical Me
11-05-2011, 07:08 PM
I think you are being too kind. There are some hardcore Adland faithfuls who have enormous lists and, whatever they are selling now, it is not their first rodeo. The saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" does have some truth. I suspect that some of these so called innocents have been scammed and have now learnt to do it themselves. There are far too many "internet marketers" who dont even look to see if what they are doing is within the law. Funnily enough they probably wouldn't do it offline, but online "doesn't count" . Their problem is that, in the eyes of the law it does count.

And, as for the owner, there doesnt seem to have been any change in policy over the years, only a change in the faces and numbers of the membership.

Soapboxmom
11-05-2011, 08:11 PM
FTC Publishes Final Guides Governing Endorsements, Testimonials (http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm)

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Average earnings and percent of retail sales should be included in that honest disclosure when Kathleen and company are publishing testimonials. Kathleen's results are clearly very atypical! Let's check out this page:

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"Ron, thank you so very much for putting this awesome business together, you've changed my life! Your one-of-a-kind pay plan is the best that I've ever seen, it's simply brilliant! Ron, you get it! People just want to make money, but you are the first program owner that actually wants to see your people make money, and with a 100% payout you really can back up what you say! This is the first program I've joined that I can truly make real money. In my first 6 months I earned over $65,000 dollars! This is more than I have earned in the last 6 years online! All I have to do is send people to my website to take the free tour, and the How It Works Movie does all the work, and I keep all the money!"
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"I joined EZ Wealth Solution back in January 2009. I was a little skeptical at first so I came in only at Package Levels 1, 2, & 3. I began marketing immediately, and was able to average about $100 per day within my first 2 weeks. At that point I immediately upgraded to Levels 4 & 5 in order to make the BIG MONEY. I continue to market my site and EVERY day my phone rings with people asking me, "How do you want to receive your money?" I just LOVE this business!!"
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"Hi Ron, WOW what a great program! I have never seen anything like EZ Wealth Solution during my 6 plus years on the net. I wished I would have joined sooner! I was only working EZ Wealth part time the first few months, and was quite impressed that I had made $3000. But after seeing the fantastic results, and the awesome potential of the EZ Wealth Pay Plan I've decided to work EZ Wealth as a full time business! Oh yea! One more thing, I love not having to wait 30 - 60 days to get paid because I get "Get Paid Today" every time someone gets in my Pay Line! All I can say is; "EZ Wealth Solution is Totally Awesome!"
Ed H. Jr. - Kansas, USA
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Total of 603 products when you get all 5 packages (703 products if you become a Reseller within 24 hours after taking the tour), plus you can rake in $1,838 from referrals who also get all 5 packages! You get Master Resale Rights for all products so you can also rake in lots more income from selling these over and over on your own...IF you WANT to...but you don't have to...you can just let the EZWS site sell them FOR YOU!
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11-05-2011, 08:50 PM
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No personal sellling??? So, the website does all the work to accomplish endless chain recruiting, right, Kathleen? There does not seem to be a mechanism for retail sales either. Pretty much everyone becomes a website owner / reseller, right Kathleen? My Internet Business / Big Ticket Wealth had a bunch of worthless crap like this as well. That sure turned into a toilet flush and generated great publicity:
Big-Ticket-Wealth Jack ********* & Broadbent (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=44838) Jack Weinzierl has destroyed his reputation and isn't marketing anything online at the present time. Wanna join him in the destitute ding-a-lings club, Kathleen?

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Hi, I'm Kathleen VanBeekom, I earned over $75,000 since I joined EZWS last summer 2010, see the video above...that's my actual commission report from September 2011. I've had some months between $8,000 to $15,000.

Join up to at least Levels 2 & 3 then you can earn $344 per signup after you are qualified. 1 signup daily of 2 & 3 would bring you over $10,000 monthly, over $125,000 yearly, and most of that can be passive income from your referrals.

You can realistically earn multi $1,000's daily, I've had days of nearly $4,000. You only pay-it-forward for 1 person, just for your first signup. The videos close your sales for you!

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FTC Publishes Final Guides Governing Endorsements, Testimonials (http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm)
Kathleen is totally blowing off the FTC guidelines. I think the only litigation that Kathleen should be worrying about are the lawsuits or class action suit that her disgruntled downline who are not making the money promised could be filing.

Soapboxmom

Eddie Haskell
11-05-2011, 09:14 PM
Didnt read the entire thread but who is this goof ball wanting to sue and how to I contact the SOB? Phone numbers please if possible.

Soapboxmom
11-05-2011, 09:40 PM
Boggy is going to have fan clubs springing up absolutely everywhere!

Quatloos! &bull; View topic - Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro Threatens Realscam.com (http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7798#p130317)

Ouch!!!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-05-2011, 09:47 PM
Didnt read the entire thread but who is this goof ball wanting to sue and how to I contact the SOB? Phone numbers please if possible.
He has his business card such as it is online:


Bogdan Fiedur President
+1.204.254.7228 bogdan@softfornet.com
Softfornet Solutions Ltd (http://www.jigsaw.com/id445825/softfornet_solutions_company.xhtml) 845 Dakota St

Winnipeg, MB R2M 5M3
Canada

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11-05-2011, 10:43 PM
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11/5/2011 10:42:52 PM






I suggested that you point out where I had been anything less than courteous and respectful and you "didn't have time". You are now implying that I have used a persons full name in connection with a scam. Please show me where I have done that! You are making untrue accusations, again. As far as the "real person" argument, you are suggesting that somebody that is anonymous is "unreal"? Bernie Madoff, Pedro Dispenza, Brian Marsden, and Andy Bowdoin are all "real" people do you suggest that they are trustworthy merely because you know who they are? .

You have said that there is problem between this site and realscam.com. You have also been in Kathleen's forum previously where her program was discussed, and I have not seen anywhere proof of specific breaking of law, merely you and another person suggesting that the program is not legitimate and lots of bickering. Realscam members (who are anonymous) have implied that this program was scam. When I say you I mean anyone who comes from position of realscam. You showed up in Kthleen forum as soon as she brought up that she has been attacked on that site. Now put those things together.

The reason I have this discussion with you is that deeply I believe you had good intentions when coming here and wanted to find some resolution before this whole thing goes too far. Yet you are avoiding my questions and couldn't to this point show that program in question had one point where the law has been broken or have answered my question if you are not using here some kind of false identity.

Why is this so difficult to answer? It would take me 1 minute to prove to you any claim I'm making. I use my full name and picture, other people here who came to discuss this issue use their full names with pictures.
Don't you realize that we are being targeted because we were upfront and never tried to hide our identity?

That because of international reach of this site,we have more to deal with than just a site which is local and can't determine that the program is breaking any laws because there are more laws that we can count and we can't assume authority on what is legitimate what not? There are hundreds of thousands of ads on this site at any given time.

I'm sure you can find ads which are on this site, on any other classified site on the internet.

What the heck, any of this ads on this sit can be found in Google, Yahoo, Twitter, Facebook, other larger classified sites and social networking sites. Do you expect them also to verify if they are legitimate? Is this not role of government agencies in various countries? Once the product has been determined as illegitimate, nobody will promote it and no ads will be shown for this program anymore as all promoters will delete them.

What about products which are not doing what they supposed to do, what about remedies, cures, weight loss products, beauty products which don't get done what is being maintained. Am I also responsible for determining if thy are not scams?

If you really are serious of showing that members of the realscam.com have any idea what they are doing, just answer my questions. I'm willing and always was to listen to other people and do the best job I can do, but you need to be serious if you want me to take you seriously.


If you wish to determine the legitimacy of programs do some investigation, or what they call "Due Diligence" I posted one minor article that could suggest that EZW is not legitimate, if you or its promoters choose to think it does not apply that is still your choice.

Yes maybe if you are promoting it or going to be involved in it. I don't join those programs. Yet, realscam.com member is implying that I'm somewhat responsible that they are on my site and my name is being smeared everywhere connected with those alleged scams.


Bogdan Fiedur






We can speculate and bounce around ideas until our hearts are content. That is the right to free speech that is honored here. You Boggy, as the site owner can make any rules you wish and ban all your detractors. I don't give a rat's butt. You will not be dictating anything to RS, clown boy! And again I am going to remind you that this site doesn't generate a single dime.

Here are some guidelines from the FTC:
Advertising FAQ's: A Guide for Small Business | BCP Business Center (http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus35-advertising-faqs-guide-small-business)


Contact the radio station, television station, or publication where the ad ran. Let them know that they're running an ad you think may be deceptive....

What about disclaimers and disclosures online?

Regardless of whether you advertise on TV or radio, in print ads, through direct mail or online, the law is the same: disclaimers and disclosures must be "clear and conspicuous." Dot Com Disclosures (http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus41-dot-com-disclosures-information-about-online-advertising) offers special guidance for online advertisers regarding 'Net specific issues such as banner ads, pop-up windows, scrolling, hyperlinks, etc.....

Endorsements by consumersmust reflect the typical experience of consumers who use the product, not the experience of just a few satisfied customers. If an endorsement doesn't reflect users' typical experience, the ad must clearly disclose either what consumers can expect their results to be or the limited applicability of the endorser's experience. Saying "Not all consumers will get these results" or "Your results may vary" is not enough.....

The law requires sellers to make specific disclosures, give prospective buyers a document containing certain key information about the business opportunity, and be able to substantiate any earnings claims.....


Is advertising on the Internet subject to the same laws as other advertising?

Yes. Ad claims on the Internet must be truthful and substantiated. Ask the FTC for a copy of Advertising and Marketing on the Internet: The Rules of the Road (http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus28-advertising-and-marketing-internet-rules-road) for more information. Dot Com Disclosures (http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus41-dot-com-disclosures-information-about-online-advertising) offers special guidance for online advertisers regarding how to make sure that any disclaimers and disclosures in online ads are clear and conspicuous. It addresses 'Net specific issues such as banner ads, pop-up windows, scrolling, hyperlinks, etc. Internet marketers also should be aware that the FTC's Mail or Telephone Order Merchandise Rule ("Mail Order Rule") applies to online transactions.


Newsflash, Boggy. Some of your ads are deceptive!!!!


Advertising and Marketing on the Internet: Rules of the Road | BCP Business Center (http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus28-advertising-and-marketing-internet-rules-road)

FTC Publishes Final Guides Governing Endorsements, Testimonials (http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm)

Looks like Boggy and Kathleen have a lot of work to do on their advertising!!!

Soapboxmom

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Soapboxmom

littleroundman
11-05-2011, 11:07 PM
The Bogmeister can keep on diverting and distracting all he likes, the point remains the same.

HE is the one accepting money, therefore HE bears the responsibility of verifying the legality or otherwise of the programs he advertises and promotes.

Like it or not, Fiedur moved onto a completely different level once he chose to accept money for the service he provides.

It's not like we're talking about Google or Facebook here.

There's not hundreds of thousands of ads involved which could involve months of investigation.

Neither is the longevity of the fraudulent programs involved a factor.

He took and continues to take money, so the phrase "knew or ought to have known" becomes entirely relevant.

What's even worse for Boggy, his refusal to check the legitimacy of said programs with a qualified source is out there for the all to see, should the situation ever become subject to court scrutiny.

In the unlikely event Fiedur ever finds the cojones to follow through with his empty threats, he will be effectively hoist on his own petard.

littleroundman
11-06-2011, 02:01 AM
The United States Federal Trade Commission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Trade_Commission) states "Steer clear of multilevel marketing plans that pay commissions for recruiting new distributors. They're actually illegal pyramid schemes. Why is pyramiding dangerous? Because plans that pay commissions for recruiting new distributors inevitably collapse when no new distributors can be recruited. And when a plan collapses, most people - except perhaps those at the very top of the pyramid - end up empty-handed."[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing#cite_note-33)


In a 2004 Staff Advisory letter to the Direct Selling Association, the FTC states:


Much has been made of the personal, or internal, consumption issue in recent years. In fact, the amount of internal consumption in any multi-level compensation business does not determine whether or not the FTC will consider the plan a pyramid scheme. The critical question for the FTC is whether the revenues that primarily support the commissions paid to all participants are generated from purchases of goods and services that are not simply incidental to the purchase of the right to participate in a money-making venture.[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing#cite_note-ftcadvisory2004-34)



The critical question for the FTC is whether the revenues that primarily support the commissions paid to all participants are generated from purchases of goods and services that are not simply incidental to the purchase of the right to participate in a money-making venture.

Posters note: as in: purchasing the right to resell products with little or no intrinsic value of their own.

One simply CANNOT claim to be a "product based" MLM when recruitment IS, or even CAN BE, the sole method of earning income.

IOW, disguising a pyramid scheme by having at its' foundation a "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" overpriced or exotic product, the sales of which do not produce the bulk of a members' income is simply illegal.

The fact some pseudo MLMs do so, and have done so in the past or some people have made money by "getting away with it" for a period of time has no bearing on the fact the FTC defines the practice as a pyramid SCHEME (not pyramid SHAPED scheme).


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littleroundman
11-06-2011, 02:12 AM
Yet another reason why pseudo MLMs such as EZWealth Creations are constant offenders.

Not only illegal income claims but OUTRAGEOUS illegal income claims:

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http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/illegal_income_claims.html

littleroundman
11-06-2011, 02:27 AM
James Kohm, Acting Director of Marketing Practices, wrote in a Staff Advisory Opinion**


"The Commission’s recent cases, however, demonstrate that the sale of goods and service; [sic] alone does not necessarily render a system legitimate. Modern pyramid schemes generally do not blatantly base commissions on the outright payment of fees, but instead try to disguise these payments to appear as if they are based on the sale of goods or services. The most common means employed to achieve this goal is to require a certain level of monthly purchases to qualify for commissions. While the sale of goods and services nominally generates all commissions in a system primarily funded by such purchases, in fact, those commissions are funded by purchases made to obtain the right to participate in the scheme. Each individual who profits, therefore, does so primarily from the payments of others who are themselves making payments in order to obtain their own profit. As discussed above, such a plan is little more than a transfer scheme, dooming the vast majority of participants to financial failure. . .

"The purchase of goods and services is not merely incidental to the right to participate in a money-making venture, but rather the very reason participants join the program. Therefore, the plan does not simply transfer money from winners to losers, having the majority of participants with financial losses." (emphasis added by poster)


** Letter from James Kohm, Acting Director of
Marketing Practices, expressing a Staff Advisory
Opinion to Neil Offen, President of the Direct Selling
Association, January 14, 2004

okosh
11-06-2011, 02:49 AM
Thank you Wallace for starting a forum in Adland to try and bring some justification behind the posting of a class action suit against 2 former members and this community, RealScam. I don't believe there is any. I don't imagine the forum will last long unless the big mouths can continue to blow hot air as they always do. Sorry you have to be a loner there but most of us have been banned who could actually bring some truth to light.

A loner??....Lol...He wouldn't be if one of you would be kind enough to post a link to the page....

Thanks in advance :RpS_smile:

okosh
11-06-2011, 02:54 AM
Didnt read the entire thread but who is this goof ball wanting to sue and how to I contact the SOB? Phone numbers please if possible.

he owns Adland....It's kinda like TG or MMG except they all claim to be posting under their real names with real pics...
AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com)

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Instead of harassing RS and its members, Boggy, you better clean up that horrific scam promoting mess you actually own!!!

Soapboxmom

Geez,

now THAT'S funny, right there.

The Bogmeister claims he hasn't got the time or resources to verify the legality of the programs from which he accepts money.........R--I--G--H--T !

All he has to do is find 2 other "Straight line forced cyclers" which are legal.

Which will take all of 30 seconds, BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE.

I mean, how much clearer could a fraudster be that to say: "No Referral or Selling required to earn"

Goodness gracious, how many more warnings does the FTC have to release before thickheads such as Bogdan Fiedur get "it" ???

THERE'S NO PRODUCT.

THERE'S NOTHING BEHIND THE SCENES EARNING MONEY.

PEOPLE CAN EARN MERELY BY REFERRING OTHER PEOPLE.

Does Mr Fiedur require a personal letter from the US President and the directors of the FTC spelling out with diagrams and pictures the fact he's taking money under false pretences ???

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10/29/2010 8:39:49 PM




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TD
Skype: shenglin278







Instead of harassing RS and its members, Boggy, you better clean up that horrific scam promoting mess you actually own!!!

Soapboxmom

Geez,

now THAT'S funny, right there.

The Bogmeister claims he hasn't got the time or resources to verify the legality of the programs from which he accepts money.........R--I--G--H--T !

All he has to do is find 2 other "Straight line forced cyclers" which are legal.

Which will take all of 30 seconds, BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE.

I mean, how much clearer could a fraudster be than to say: "No Referral or Selling required to earn"

Goodness gracious, how many more warnings does the FTC have to release before thickheads such as Bogdan Fiedur get "it" ???

THERE'S NO PRODUCT.

THERE'S NOTHING BEHIND THE SCENES EARNING MONEY.

PEOPLE CAN EARN MERELY BY REFERRING OTHER PEOPLE.

Does Mr Fiedur require a personal letter from the US President and the directors of the FTC spelling out with diagrams and pictures the fact he's taking money under false pretences ???

Lil Ol' Radical Me
11-06-2011, 07:39 AM
You cant help feeling sorry for Boggy. He has already explained to us that, as a big time business owner of the most important forum in the world, he is completely unable or doesnt have time to ascertain whether or not a program advertised or promoted on his forum is legal or not. You'd think that he had learnt something over the years he has owned and run AdlandPro. Sadly he doesnt seem smart enough to understand his own ToS (fraudulent schemes are not allowed) or doesnt read the press.

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11-06-2011, 08:23 AM
littleroundman, I hope you don't object. I took the liberty of copying your fine posts to this thread. I don't think Boggy can keep up with two threads to read, mind you!

Soapboxmom

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11-06-2011, 09:15 AM
3-Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2488783/BadBloodbetweenAdlandandRealscam/3.aspx)



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Please expand, as there is no comparison. I do feel that way as that is exactly what you have done. I suggest those that cast stones (accusations) not live in glass houses. Wasn't Wallace, a name we recognize as someone's protector/husband? Now the pieces are coming together, the blow hards never cease to amaze and offend.




Sorry I forgot to put the link to this forum. This is where Mr. Jim (assumed!!) that Wallace was my husband. My husband was a member of Adland but rarely went there. He deleted his account the day I was terminated!! The Great Joker Jim has been on my 'behind' ever since several of us members caught he & fellow conspirator making fake accounts trying to get the big guy elected as POTY that year in 2008. After that they resigned before they were REMOVED!! We had some messages back & forth in personal mail and they bullied me until another member stepped in to help. They have been told over the years to leave me alone but without support of administration except a very few times, they continued it. Makes them feel so good and builds their egos to send bullets/words at other people. So pitiful, they truly are...

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11-06-2011, 09:31 AM
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scratchycat
11-06-2011, 09:33 AM
Oh, and I forgot to mention Miss Tennesee Lady has 20,190 "friends" or could you say downline?

scratchycat
11-06-2011, 09:35 AM
I also want to add, cheers to SBM for all the work she is doing with this!!! Thanks everyone this is really growing!!

littleroundman
11-06-2011, 09:39 AM
littleroundman, I hope you don't object. I took the liberty of copying your fine posts to this thread. I don't think Boggy can keep up with two threads to read, mind you!

Soapboxmom

I don't mind at all.

Unfortunately, it seems several bad cases of "wilful defiance" have struck the poster/s concerned in this matter, so anything I say is likely to be wasted, anyway.

path2prosperity
11-06-2011, 09:50 AM
he owns Adland....It's kinda like TG or MMG except they all claim to be posting under their real names with real pics...
AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com)

It has been going for a lot longer than either TG or MMG and the putrid mess that is being pumped out stinks even more than those rat holes. Unfortunately there are a few good people trapped in the sewer, whom we want to see the light of day once again.

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11-06-2011, 09:56 AM
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Bernier, Oakley, Keilec and crew were not content with their safe haven at Adpro. They have assembled at Apsense. I could not face chasing them over there but I would be interested to know how they are getting on from somebody who knows his or her way round the Apsense sewers.

Whip
11-06-2011, 12:06 PM
3-Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2488783/BadBloodbetweenAdlandandRealscam/3.aspx)




Sorry I forgot to put the link to this forum. This is where Mr. Jim (assumed!!) that Wallace was my husband. My husband was a member of Adland but rarely went there. He deleted his account the day I was terminated!! The Great Joker Jim has been on my 'behind' ever since several of us members caught he & fellow conspirator making fake accounts trying to get the big guy elected as POTY that year in 2008. After that they resigned before they were REMOVED!! We had some messages back & forth in personal mail and they bullied me until another member stepped in to help. They have been told over the years to leave me alone but without support of administration except a very few times, they continued it. Makes them feel so good and builds their egos to send bullets/words at other people. So pitiful, they truly are...

Well, in his defense.....he finally admitted the he and his friends 'never cease to amaze and offend'.

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11-06-2011, 02:33 PM
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Boggy, this clown is still spamming the hell out of your forum. Why aren't you banning this loser promoting this scam???

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
11-06-2011, 10:40 PM
Hmmnn,

Bullz Eye Text Ads, now THAT'S a business from which to keep away, if I ever saw one:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/BullzEyeBS.jpg

not only are members giving it permission to spam them, it doesn't even follow its' own Terms of Service agreement:


You agree that no ad posts will promote any form of illegal activity. You agree that all ad posts will be fully compliant with federal and state laws.

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path2prosperity
11-07-2011, 05:21 AM
I tried complaining to PayPal about the illegal programs which were being promoted on Adlandpro several months ago but there was not sufficient evidence for them to act and close his account at that stage.

Now that we have the evidence from this thread to quote, I strongly suggest that every concerned reader brings it to the attention of PayPal.

path2prosperity
11-07-2011, 03:24 PM
If anybody who is not an Adlandpro buyer or seller wishes to report Adlandpro to PayPal for promoting scams, you need to go to the ContactUs tab at the bottom of the PayPal page and then you can report the matter by phone or e-mail.

Soapboxmom
11-07-2011, 03:52 PM
I am systematically going from website to website leaving scathing comments about Bogdan threatening former members and Realscam as well. His traffic is dropping and that is what will really get his attention. Adlandpro tried to combine business (some scamming) with pleasure and it has backfired terribly.

There were and are many wonderful people there. Those wonderful folks need to leave and do their socializing elsewhere. Bogdan is only seeing dollar signs and is under the thumb of his advertisers. That makes it impossible for a site like that to be sociable and welcoming. There are blood thirsty scam promoters lose!

Soapboxmom

laidback
11-07-2011, 04:35 PM
As near as I can tell, Adland is actually worse than TG or MMG, simply because the scammers that open forums on Adland to pimp their "opportunities" have censor control in the form of delete and ban buttons. That way no negative comments can survive if the admin monitors the posting. That is apparently what happened in Kcvan's threads when she couldn't answer the hard questions.

path2prosperity
11-07-2011, 05:11 PM
As near as I can tell, Adland is actually worse than TG or MMG, simply because the scammers that open forums on Adland to pimp their "opportunities" have censor control in the form of delete and ban buttons. That way no negative comments can survive if the admin monitors the posting. That is apparently what happened in Kcvan's threads when she couldn't answer the hard questions.

It is far worse than either TG or MMG for many reasons "laidback" If you join TG or MMG, you are not flooded with spam through the PM system. Adland spammers flood your PM box with their get rich quick opportunities and the internal gangs pass on defamatory messages about other members that way.

They hide profiles of people who have been big scam as promoters such as the biggest Andy Bowdoin promoter in their community. I have passed the name of this person on to SBM and hopefully she will find the person and pass it on to relevant legal authorities.

path2prosperity
11-07-2011, 11:28 PM
Bogdan has been digging for dirt and come up with nothing. An extract from his RealScam action drivel suggests that I was a big playa in AutosurfMoney. I quote Bogdan's allegation.

"We have done a little bit search on Judy Hortin and have found that she might have been part of programs which were later declared illegal. Here is the link on Yahoo groups where Judy Hortin discusses difficulties in receiving money from autosurf programs. The message indicates that the program has been blacklisted by E-Gold. It appears she didn't do the due diligence and joined a program which at best has been black listed by E-Gold. How many people did Judy refer to this program?"

I did a $40 test spend with this processor and it vanished immediately. I referred nobody to the processor or the family of programs e-surfpro or something like that, which was run by some con woman(whose name alludes me at present and her husband Dan Lunt.) I risked my own $40, which was the minimum the processor would accept and found out it was a con, then slated the pair of them on TG and other boards. There is an Adlander who did a lot of DD on this couple and the pair of us are in touch with each other. If you want dirt on the pair who set that phoney processor up I and another RS member will help you find it Boggers. I think our "okosh" knows a fair bit about Dan Lunt and his wife. We warned people about that pair years ago.

I have been waiting for a long time to see that woman, her surfs and processor above the radar and one of your own members can spill the dirt on that cow.

littleroundman
11-07-2011, 11:46 PM
Ummnn,

young Boggy might like to work on his detection skills a little bit.

The phrases "learned the error of their ways" and "experience is the best teacher" come to mind when thinking about who's done what to whom IN THE PAST.

Lot's of people believe what they're doing is OK at the time.

The amount of ex ASD members and former supporters of the autosurf concept now speaking out against 'net fraud is proof positive it can and does happen.

There's no shame in admitting having been conned by experts.

In fact, one of the factors fraudsters depend on is that his or her victims will feel so much shame and guilt that they WON'T report the fraud and will simply run away and hide.

Finding witness/victims is on of the major difficulties law enforcement has to overcome in prosecuting these matters.

However, the "here and now" is a completely different kettle of fish

Whip
11-08-2011, 12:22 AM
Bogdan has been digging for dirt and come up with nothing. An extract from his RealScam action drivel suggests that I was a big playa in AutosurfMoney. I quote Bogdan's allegation.

"We have done a little bit search on Judy Hortin and have found that she might have been part of programs which were later declared illegal. Here is the link on Yahoo groups where Judy Hortin discusses difficulties in receiving money from autosurf programs. The message indicates that the program has been blacklisted by E-Gold. It appears she didn't do the due diligence and joined a program which at best has been black listed by E-Gold. How many people did Judy refer to this program?"

I did a $40 test spend with this processor and it vanished immediately. I referred nobody to the processor or the family of programs e-surfpro or something like that, which was run by some con woman(whose name alludes me at present and her husband Dan Lunt.) I risked my own $40, which was the minimum the processor would accept and found out it was a con, then slated the pair of them on TG and other boards. There is an Adlander who did a lot of DD on this couple and the pair of us are in touch with each other. If you want dirt on the pair who set that phoney processor up I and another RS member will help you find it Boggers. I think our "okosh" knows a fair bit about Dan Lunt and his wife. We warned people about that pair years ago.

I have been waiting for a long time to see that woman, her surfs and processor above the radar and one of your own members can spill the dirt on that cow.

Did you join this through frodo bogdan's site?

path2prosperity
11-08-2011, 01:16 AM
Did you join this through frodo bogdan's site?

No but I did join it through an Adland member who used some of their pension money to have A Punt on the autosurfs and the person concerned was straight. A bit of a punt on a horse or an autosurf with some pension money can hardly be described as con artistry. The person concerned thought that Colette Larson and her husband had come up with a good idea when they started a processor for the exclusive use of autosurf players, so we both gave Collete and Dan Lunt a try.

When I put $40 in the processor and it took my money, I reported the matter to TG. You can see the LINK HERE (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r295965-.html). I did not (as Boggie suggests) recommend Collete Larson's processor or surf programs to Adlandpro members or anybody else.

path2prosperity
11-08-2011, 01:33 AM
Boggie has done a bit of sleuthing and traced my advertising back to Autosurf money days 2003? 2004? 2005? Is that as far as you can check on me Boggie? Did you pay a lawyer to help you with that?

Buster from TG was so determined to dig for dirt on me that he traced all my advertising back to 1972. If you want to know what he found in Wireless World in 1972 ask Buster?

If you want to show that you are brighter than Buster, you can trace me back to 1965. I will even give you a few clues. I advertised in The Daily Telegraph, New Scientist, Nature, The Mining Journal. The Veterinary Record, The Pharmaceutical Journal and The Evening Standard before 1972.

That might help your lawyer do some more digging Boggie Boy.

path2prosperity
11-08-2011, 01:45 AM
SBM, you found him!! My favorite scammer/spammer in Adlandpro, Mr. DJ!! I got hammered into the ground when I posted in Adlanders in Facebook to not vote for him - after all, I was a member of the POTW team!! :shocked: Well, I suppose we should have voted him in since he might be one of the top promoters of the worst scam online. No one even knows who he really is... But Miss K ALWAYS defends him, wonder why!!!???

Oh, I such a bad puddy tat!!!

The worst Adland spammer that I have encountered is Jeff Shelcott. He may have deserted " The Good Ship Fiedur" but he is still spamming everybody who has ever been an Adlandpro member.

path2prosperity
11-08-2011, 06:12 AM
I have had a reply from PayPal which is copyrighted so I can not publish it here. However if anybody else wishes to complain about Fiedur's use of PayPal to promote his scam and ponzi advertising board, they can contact PayPal directly and quote this RS thread as evidence that scammers have free rein on Adlandpro.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
11-08-2011, 06:55 AM
Ummnn,

young Boggy might like to work on his detection skills a little bit.

The phrases "learned the error of their ways" and "experience is the best teacher" come to mind when thinking about who's done what to whom IN THE PAST.

Lot's of people believe what they're doing is OK at the time.

The amount of ex ASD members and former supporters of the autosurf concept now speaking out against 'net fraud is proof positive it can and does happen.

There's no shame in admitting having been conned by experts.

In fact, one of the factors fraudsters depend on is that his or her victims will feel so much shame and guilt that they WON'T report the fraud and will simply run away and hide.

Finding witness/victims is on of the major difficulties law enforcement has to overcome in prosecuting these matters.

However, the "here and now" is a completely different kettle of fish

Thank you LRM for a superb post that explains the presence of many of us in the field of consumer protection against scams. As most here know, I was an ex-cheerleader for Honest Andy . When the Secret Service raided ASD and I read of his previous convictions as a felon it was a sufficient shock that I sat down and leart what the heck I had been involved in. Thanks to the education I received from posters here and on the old scam dot com it became clear that there was and never had been a legal sustainable autosurf. Which brings me to another pearl that, if I recall, Bodgan Fiedur made in one of his convoluted posts on the public internet defending AdlandPro against nasty Real Scam. He stressed the importance of educating people to avoid scams.

Well Boggy, you are right and that is what people do here. They tried it with young Kathleen - to no avail - but at least the information on her dodgy programs is out there on the public internet for others to read and make up their own minds. I guess that is what is bothering you. And you can't ban 'em here. Oh dear, oh dear, it must be playing havoc with your traffic.

path2prosperity
11-08-2011, 07:11 AM
Well Boggy, you are right and that is what people do here. They tried it with young Kathleen - to no avail - but at least the information on her dodgy programs is out there on the public internet for others to read and make up their own minds. I guess that is what is bothering you. And you can't ban 'em here. Oh dear, oh dear, it must be playing havoc with your traffic.

To no avail LORM?

I challenge that statement. More "big wig" EZ supporters have come in to RS in an attempt to defend their family of programs. Kathleen was nothing but a pawn and she has been sacrificed. Read this thread (http://www.realscam.com/f9/yet-another-2-x-cycler-no-product-ez-bizquickcash-704/).

PayPal have started investigating and we will soon see if PayPal disables Kathleen's account.

Soapboxmom
11-10-2011, 04:16 PM
Boggy is having a fire sale:




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With the traffic plummeting it is time for desperate measures. Now, that the site has been exposed for its scam promotion, legitimate advertisers will not want to have anything to do with the place. I don't think anyone dumb enough to waste their money will be waiting to have their ad published. Of course, knowing that Bogdan is out threatening former members, this site and me and drawing a deluge of negative publicity should certainly scare those advertisers off! What will he do next???



Soapboxmom

okosh
11-10-2011, 04:53 PM
Our ads are shown in weekly email publication as part of educational articles and
are reaching over 31,000 people each time. The people who receive Adland Digest are
loyal subscribers and some of them have been reading it for nearly 10 years now.

Does the 31,000 people include those who haven't been to adland in years and those who he's threatened to sue??....

Soapboxmom
11-10-2011, 05:05 PM
RealScamClassActionSuit.com

The site RealScam.com engages in harboring disgruntled users who then create anonymous accounts on the RealScam site and out of revenge attack members, business owners and individuals accusing them of unproven actions, exposing their full names taken from their place of business or activity. Such unproven accusations cause irreparable damage to the reputation of users who have provided their full names in public places to conduct their business or other social activities.
For example these member who was identified as Judy Hortin (http://www.realscam.com/members/path2prosperity/) have been attacking members of the community she belonged to who she had disagreements with in the past. Out of revenge two other members of the community (who had no online business for several years) were accused of running scam businesses and one being a crook. Other members have been attacked and without any investigation declared as scammers or fabricated facts have been linked to them.
Judy Hortin (http://www.realscam.com/members/path2prosperity/) has been terminated from social networking site for multiple cases of breaking of community rulesafter which she has started her attacks on the owner and active community members. There is possibility that her actions could be qualified as cyber-bullying (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying), cyber-stalking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking) and cyber-harassment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberharassment). The possibility of her breaking of these acts is now being investigated for the sake of filing reports with authorities.
We have done a little bit search on Judy Hortin and have found that she might have been part of programs which were later declared illegal.
Here is the link (http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/internetpaymentsgroup/message/12) on Yahoo groups where Judy Hortin discusses difficulties in receiving money from autosurf programs. The message indicates that the program has been blacklisted by E-Gold. It appears she didn't do the due diligence and joined a program which at best has been black listed by E-Gold. How many people did Judy refer to this program?

The RealScam.com appears to be represented by Heather Dobrott.
The RealScam.com doesn't offer any protection for individuals who can be targeted by malicious users of their site and doesn't have privacy statement, which at best can be called unprofessional and deceptive.
Belittling, ridiculing, calling names and using offending language is a common behavior on this site including main admin Heather Dobrott.
Site doesn't have information about its place of business and all information about site registration is hidden from the public using service Domains by Proxy, Inc to hide identity of the owner from liability.
Main admin stated that to prosecute her business we would have to be in her jurisdiction and we would not be able to prosecute all the other members who are spread throughout the world, implying that she can say and write whatever she wants and we can't do nothing about it.
She was amused with our immature and futile attempts to cause have any troubles.


We are still asking ourselves who is Heather Dobrott.
After checking discussion board on Heather Dobrott aka soapboxmom found in contempt.. (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=131712) we are learning that she was found in contempt of court on August 4th and ordered to pay $3,000 because of that finding.
Here are the details of the Collin County Court Records (http://cijspub.co.collin.tx.us/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=286573) and this was in 2007. If this link doesn't work acces main site here http://cijspub.co.collin.tx.us/ . click Civil & Family Case Records, select search by "Party" and type last name Dobrott and first name Heather in the search box, then click "Search" button.


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It looks like there are many users on the http://www.scam.com who will be delighted in joining this class action suit.

The good thing is that this page will stay here forever and it might be just an encouragement for those who are attacked by scrupulous revenge seekers who believe that internet is wild west.
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Site RealScam encourages cyber-bullying, cyber-stalking and cyber-harassment by allowing the creation of anonymous accounts and by allowing the users to present of unproven accusations towards individuals of their targeted organization. The RealScam.com turns out to be just unprofessional harassment and bashing site with no verification of facts and indiscriminate attacks at anyone who looks like an easy target.
The main admin of the site Heather Dobrott sates that she is only doing this on volunteer bases and has no time to verify each post.

RealScam instead of contributing to fighting scam encourages cyber-bullying, cyber-stalking and cyber-harassment and perpetuates the problems which it has allegedly attempting to solve.

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Where are all those updates Bogdan? I thought I made it clear this nonsense needed to stop. As I said, if this isn't removed I will make sure you draw a lot more publicity for this shameful attack than you can handle!

Boggy better gather that documentation to prove I have broken the law. Not to mention he better consider that he is inviting similar type site to go up targeting him and drawing his traffic by using his name and Adlandpro's name in the manner he has used the name of this site. Not a smart move, laddy boy!

Soapboxmom

path2prosperity
11-10-2011, 08:34 PM
Boggy is having a fire sale: With the traffic plummeting it is time for desperate measures. Now, that the site has been exposed for its scam promotion, legitimate advertisers will not want to have anything to do with the place. I don't think anyone dumb enough to waste their money will be waiting to have their ad published. Of course, knowing that Bogdan is out threatening former members, this site and me and drawing a deluge of negative publicity should certainly scare those advertisers off! What will he do next???

Soapboxmom

The most probable thing that he will do is to sell his board to the most popular member of his community and install him her as the puppet admin. As Jimbo Allen has just been voted their Person of the week we could see Jimbo appointed as The Mutt of Adlandpro.

On the other hand Adland's Maurice Bernier has just come up with the most diabolical scam and he may actually be raking in the money from THIS ABOMINATION (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2489476/PowerOfOneIsGivingAwayRealEducationDegreesCertific .aspx?flag=1). We will have to wait and see what happens in the next episode of The Boggie Soap Opera.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
11-11-2011, 04:07 AM
To no avail LORM?

I challenge that statement. More "big wig" EZ supporters have come in to RS in an attempt to defend their family of programs. Kathleen was nothing but a pawn and she has been sacrificed. Read this thread (http://www.realscam.com/f9/yet-another-2-x-cycler-no-product-ez-bizquickcash-704/).

PayPal have started investigating and we will soon see if PayPal disables Kathleen's account.


He stressed the importance of educating people to avoid scams. That's the bit that was to no avail. She doesnt seem to have learnt anything! lol

littleroundman
11-11-2011, 04:29 AM
.She doesnt seem to have learnt anything! lol

Oh, don't worry, she's learned, alright.

BIGTIME.

Unfortunately, she's learned all the wrong things about the 'net scam biz.

path2prosperity
11-11-2011, 04:30 AM
. That's the bit that was to no avail. She doesnt seem to have learnt anything! lol

Katleen has been hung out to dry. She is promoting F5Millionaires club now as that scum Bernier has a diabolical new scam which I hope gets picked up by the authorities post haste. Bernier is Adland's top dog scammer now. Jimbo is Person of The Week so I assume he can be classed as The Mutt of Adlandpro instead of Kathleen for a while.

path2prosperity
11-11-2011, 04:58 AM
Kathleen's latest EZ crap has arrived. Same old crap which EZ were promoting last Christmas.

Christmas wishes (http://ezwealthsolution.com/s1.php?kcvan2011).

scratchycat
11-11-2011, 08:30 PM
Now that Scratchycat has left the frontlines, the big hero is elected POTW.

It's Time to Congratulate Jim Allen III, Winner of the 303RD POTW | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2490226/ItsTimetoCongratulateJimAllenIIIWinnerofthe303RDPO .aspx?flag=19)

He has been tasting this for a long time and now again since 2008, he is crowned again. For all those congratulating the most negative person in Adlandpro, woe to you.

The place has taken a plunge South and going, going, going...

With Jim, Kathleen, and possibly Peter in main roles there it should not take long. Poor Bogdan for listening to the wrong people. It is a place to stay away from unless you are a scammer or criminal.

scratchycat
11-11-2011, 08:32 PM
Kathleen's latest EZ crap has arrived. Same old crap which EZ were promoting last Christmas.

Christmas wishes (http://ezwealthsolution.com/s1.php?kcvan2011).

P2P, this should definitely be reported to as SCAM AND FRAUD!!

baylee
11-11-2011, 08:42 PM
. That's the bit that was to no avail. She doesnt seem to have learnt anything! lol

LOL, One must want to learn and she has her eyes and ears closed.

path2prosperity
11-12-2011, 01:44 AM
Now that Scratchycat has left the frontlines, the big hero is elected POTW.

It's Time to Congratulate Jim Allen III, Winner of the 303RD POTW | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2490226/ItsTimetoCongratulateJimAllenIIIWinnerofthe303RDPO .aspx?flag=19)

He has been tasting this for a long time and now again since 2008, he is crowned again. For all those congratulating the most negative person in Adlandpro, woe to you.

The place has taken a plunge South and going, going, going...

With Jim, Kathleen, and possibly Peter in main roles there it should not take long. Poor Bogdan for listening to the wrong people. It is a place to stay away from unless you are a scammer or criminal.

Those three are being exposed. It is the ones not getting the bad publicity like the two biggest Bowdoin promoters (Jill Bachnan and Carol Salisbury) and the F5Mmillionaires Club (Maurice Bernier, Katherine Oakley and John Kielec) that are managing to keep a low profile which need thorough investigations and reporting to the authorities. Bernier and crew are also operating from Apsense. They are the worst of the Adlandpro pimps.

scratchycat
11-12-2011, 04:40 PM
http://youpayitforward.com/

A website that is still there.

scratchycat
11-12-2011, 04:42 PM
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scratchycat
11-12-2011, 04:46 PM
Old stuff but I found this the other day. Some of you are/were members.

Jill Bachman | Members | ASD Updates (http://grou.ps/asdupdates/people/dlcuaehwiafoholrn)jill bachman

Files | ASD Updates (http://asdupdates.grou.ps/files/page/2)
http://assets00.grou.ps/0F2E3C/wysiwyg_files/FilesModule/asdupdates/20100619091039-gbyfttgxcmihngidl/inv08.pdf

scratchycat
11-12-2011, 04:50 PM
Another big scam promoter: Smisha

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Saugerties, NY 12477
US

Domain name: HITS4PAY.COM


Administrative Contact:
Merten, Martha
141 Ulster Ave
Suite 2A
Saugerties, NY 12477
US
(845) 246-2212 Fax: (845) 246-2265

Technical Contact:
Rudder, Roy
4024 Bull Creek Rd.
Nathalie, Va 24577
US
(434) 376-2542


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11-12-2011, 04:52 PM
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scratchycat
11-12-2011, 04:54 PM
You can visit Adlandpro.com (http://www.Adlandpro.com) anytime of day and now in FORUMS, most of what you see is one come on "let me take your money and run" scheme after scheme.

scratchycat
11-12-2011, 04:56 PM
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path2prosperity
11-12-2011, 05:59 PM
http://youpayitforward.com/

A website that is still there.

Carol Salisbury and Jill Bachman seem to think that they are still under the radar for their role as Andy Bowdoin promoters. They are not and and it would not hurt either to come out in the open and admit that they were wrong to try and hide their part as big promoters

Soapboxmom
11-13-2011, 01:55 PM
In addition UK law defines harassment/Cyber-stalking as follows (http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/stalking_and_harassment/)





Harassment

In this legal guidance, the term harassment is used to cover the 'causing alarm or distress' offences under section 2 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 as amended (PHA), and 'putting people in fear of violence' offences under section 4 of the PHA. The term can also include harassment by two or more defendants against an individual or harassment against more than one victim.
Although harassment is not specifically defined it can include repeated attempts to impose unwanted communications and contacts upon a victim in a manner that could be expected to cause distress or fear in any reasonable person.
The harassment of another or others can include a range of offences such as those under: the Protection from Harassment Act 1997; the Offences Against the Person Act 1861; the Sexual Offences Act 2003; and the Malicious Communications Act 1988. It is important when considering this type of offending to look at all relevant legislation when formulating charges.
Closely connected groups may also be subjected to 'collective' harassment. The primary intention of this type of harassment is not generally directed at an individual but rather at members of a group. This could include: members of the same family; residents of a particular neighbourhood; groups of a specific identity including ethnicity or sexuality, for example, the racial harassment of the users of a specific ethnic community centre; harassment of a group of disabled people; harassment of gay clubs; or of those engaged in a specific trade or profession.
Harassment of an individual can also occur when a person is harassing others connected with the individual, knowing that this behaviour will affect their victim as well as the other people that the person appears to be targeting their actions towards. This is known as 'stalking by proxy'. Family members, friends and employees of the victim may be subjected to this.
Certain groups of professionals are particularly susceptible to harassment connected with their work. These include doctors, judges, police officers, teachers and other authority and public figures. It may also involve harassment of individuals as a result of their employment by a particular employer.
...
Criminal Legislation

Harassment (section 2): a summary only offence, carrying a maximum of six months' imprisonment and/or a level 5 fine;

Cyber stalking

Harassment can take place on the internet and through the misuse of email. This is sometimes known as 'cyberstalking'. This can include the use of social networking sites, chat rooms and other forums facilitated by technology. The internet can be used for a range of purposes relating to harassment, for example:


to locate personal information about a victim;
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as a means of surveillance of the victim;
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damaging the reputation of the victim;
tricking other internet users into harassing or threatening a victim.











Bogdan is going beserk on his class action suit site again. Exposing obvious scams and scammers in an effort to prevent innocent victims from being scammed and / or lured into uneconomic schemes is a public service and the proud work of volunteer consumer advocates. There is no harassment going on except for Boggy's twisted attacks on legitimate consumer advocates and this site. Boggy has yet to document a single false statement of fact that has been made and refute it. He is back to misinterpreting the law again. Clowny boy definitely needs a new hobby!

Bye, bye Adlanpro advertisers!!! But, hey, I think I found him some attorneys!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-9i_QCnVus

Soapboxmom

laidback
11-13-2011, 03:53 PM
Just guessing here, but if he is trying to get an attorney to take this on contingency or pro bono he probably can't afford the hourly rate that actors get. Isn't it about time that he, "Put up or Shut up"...? If he is so sure of his legal footing, pop for the attorney and file the suit!People are getting tired of his drivel...!

okosh
11-13-2011, 04:55 PM
Also interesting is that the last 2 days I've logged in over there I get some targeted email come up....
There is then a choice of 2 buttons I can push..."reply to the email' or 'continue to my account'...

Here is todays....


Okosh, There Are NO AlertPay Problems Here

Okosh,

Like you, my daily income from some of my programs is
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Other program owners and I have investigated other investment
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I have earned 2% each day since I joined in September in my first
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I invest an equal amount in each program. That way, I guard against
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Good Luck,
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11-13-2011, 07:29 PM
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Adlandpro & Bogdan Fiedur. Scam & ponzi advertising service. (http://path2prosperity.com/adlandpro.html)

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okosh
11-13-2011, 08:54 PM
Just in case it gets deleted here is the post I just made there.....


Hi Bogdan,

I thought this thread was to discuss the bad blood between 2 forums. You invited Wallace to continue this discussion in a polite way.....
So far all I see is you and others attacking Wallace over his profile and your attempt to derail this thread into a discussion over this EZ program....

Kathleen has been given ample opportunity to validate her claims about EZ both at RS forum and here in her own thread....
Over at RS she ran away when the questions got too hard and here in her own thread she had members banned and posts deleted when she didn't like the info that was posted....
You and kathleen did nothing to stop the personal attacks by your members against Wallace, myself and others...And now you refuse to even go look and explain why we were banned.....

You claim rules are not followed at RS yet you don't enforce your own rules here...What a joke....

So lets get back on topic here....
Exactly what you complained about that you didn't like at RS is what you yourself did at your site, RealScam & Judy Hortin (http://realscamclassactionsuit.com/)
You named Judy and Sara and then added Heather....You attacked...You Harrassed....You made wild threats of legal action....
I don't know Sara since I only met her recently but I do know Judy for many years now....
Trust me Bogdan you are no match for her.....She has more integrity and decency then all your members combined....Judy would destroy you in any court in the world....
And you are even less of a match for Heather....LOL...Been reading at RS have you??...
Heather is making mince meat of you!!!

RealScam does what it does....It's a forum that has threads on various online money making schemes....Information about such schemes are posted there along with as much info as can be found on the legality of the programs, the admins, the promoters and so on....
The readers are then left to make up their own minds....

Anyone who disputes what is posted there is given equal time to put their case to readers....
Kathleen had that chance....Of course she did it under an anonymous user name....Then complained how other posters there don't use their real names....
LOL...Pot calling the kettle black!!!!!

Bogdan you claim that it's not your responsibility to investigate schemes advertised and promoted in your forum...
You sure about that??.....Maybe you should go ask Google if it's your responsibility or not....
Or better yet why not ask one of the legal minds who you employing to run the class action for you....

Speaking of this class action....When you plan to start sending out paper work??....You not having 2nd thoughts are you??.....
If you are then you welcome to come over to RealScam and post a public apology.....I'm sure it will be accepted.....))
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Soapboxmom
11-14-2011, 10:59 AM
Why thank you for your very kind words. I don't take to kindly to scammers at all, but all of you guys and gals who work to protect the public as you do, Okosh, are the real heroes!

Kathleen is voraciously pimping Adlandpro on free sites all over the net. Bogdan is too entangled with her to get out gracefully. If he gets rid of Kathleen and the other scammers on the site he will lose those advertising dollars. Of course, his traffic is dropping precipitously as the legitimate business people and those looking for socializing are all jumping ship because the scammers have overrun the place.

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Then, of course, Boggy is such a lying sack he told me had had consulted with his legal adviser, but now is reduced to begging for legal help on his slam site. He is apparently a few fries short of a Happy Meal judging from that debacle. Who in their right mind would hire a lawyer off of the internet that responds to a solicitation like his? No legitimate, experienced and competent attorneys are likely to answer that call for professional suicide. I think he will be having some gargantuan slices of humble pie this holiday season. He should read the new posts at Quatloos:

Quatloos! &bull; View topic - Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro Threatens Realscam.com (http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?t=7798#p130905)

Soapboxmom

scratchycat
11-14-2011, 11:19 AM
6-Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2488783/BadBloodbetweenAdlandandRealscam/6.aspx?latest=True#latestpost)

No responses or deletes yet must be too busy with those holidays "Got'cha" deals. You need to watch your friend Jimbo in his movies I posted in P2P's thread.

scratchycat
11-14-2011, 11:27 AM
Kathleen is voraciously pimping Adlandpro on free sites all over the net. Bogdan is too entangled with her to get out gracefully. If he gets rid of Kathleen and the other scammers on the site he will lose those advertising dollars. Of course, his traffic is dropping precipitously as the legitimate business people and those looking for socializing are all jumping ship because the scammers have overrun the place.

She is at her high right now!! Jim has just been crowned King of Adland and I am sure his next videos will be something to watch!! If one of the programs she is in crashes, nevermind, she is lining up several others.
7minfitnessopportunity (http://www.7minfitnessopportunity.com/?id=kcvan)

path2prosperity
11-14-2011, 02:20 PM
Why thank you for your very kind words. I don't take to kindly to scammers at all, but all of you guys and gals who work to protect the public as you do, Okosh, are the real heroes!

Soapboxmom

Same here. I appreciate all the support that I have had from both Heather and Okosh. I shudder at the thought of getting on the wrong side of either of these members. What some members here may know but Adlandpro members will not know, was that I took on Okosh in "mortal combat" a few years ago. Any lawyer thinking of helping Boggie should know who came out as a winner. Neither Okosh or I won any battle but we became firm friends. If I had been scamming, the matter would have had to have been settled in a "Crown Court," thanks to Okosh' dedication to busting scammers.

I promoted autosurfs which did not make any claims about formulae for longevity as A PUNT. I regret that. I have learned my lesson and stoppped doing it. I decided that it was better to become a scam buster. Okosh did not believe that I played them as a game and we started verbal fisticuffs which made me think I had taken on a heavy weight boxer. I decided the the best way to spar with Okosh was to challenge him to report me to Inland Revenue and to Customs and Excise as I had been registered for VAT in the early 1980s. He decided to do that.

Customs and Excise unlike the Inland Revenue, are very vigilant about complaints about anybody who is or has been registered to collect VAT, so they investigated my affairs. There was no need for them to settle the matter for "The Satisfaction of The Crown." Customs and Excise wrote to me directly and told me that I had not claimed 60p a month rebate from British Gas to which I was entitled.

If Boggie is convinced that I did make any significant income from Autosurf money, any lawyer acting for him should check if that is true or if it is only Boggies neuroticism speaking. I think that it is about time that Boggie made the effort to find out if there is any truth in his allegation. No self respecting lawyer in UK would believe him when Okosh has already had me investigated by a representative of The Crown.

path2prosperity
11-14-2011, 05:21 PM
If he gets rid of Kathleen and the other scammers on the site he will lose those advertising dollars.
Soapboxmom

If he gets rid of Kathleen, Bernier, Bachman, Jimbo, Carol Salisbury and the rest who will not admit that they got caught up in events beyond their control or that they intend to change their ways, he could start again. Some people may be prepared to give Boggie a chance to start a properly policed advertising service.

You have had a mid life crisis Boggie. It is a bad thing that can happen to some people. It happened to me. Ditch the useless baggage and start again. You would be surprised how many people would like to see you get up and show that you can display "True Grit."

laidback
11-14-2011, 07:08 PM
Okosh stirred it up big-time at Adland Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2488783/BadBloodbetweenAdlandandRealscam.aspx)

scratchycat
11-14-2011, 07:42 PM
ummmm, I just got this message when trying to go to that site:


Oops! Internet Explorer could not connect to community.adlandpro.com
Suggestions:
•Go to adlandpro.*com
•Try reloading: community.*adlandpro.*com/*forums/*post/*2488783/*BadBloodbetweenA*dlandandRealscam*/*7.*aspx
•Search on Google:

scratchycat
11-14-2011, 07:44 PM
OOOps, me thinks my IP has been blocked from Adlandpro!!!

path2prosperity
11-14-2011, 07:51 PM
OOOps, me thinks my IP has been blocked from Adlandpro!!!

You can get rid of that block "scratchy." Remove all cookies deposited by hidemyass.com and there are a few more that can be removed quite easily. Check for malicious cookies and other malware and you will be able to read Scamlandpro again. They may have appeared to have made it look as if another site was depositing the cookies.

baylee
11-14-2011, 07:52 PM
OOOps, me thinks my IP has been blocked from Adlandpro!!!

Might be but I can't get on either. I think it is likely just the internet. I will check back later.

scratchycat
11-14-2011, 07:54 PM
Thanks P2P and Baylee. I will check later.

path2prosperity
11-14-2011, 08:05 PM
Might be but I can't get on either. I think it is likely just the internet. I will check back later.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if he had decided to take the site down or he has been forced to close it. Made my day. Going to bed in high hopes.

okosh
11-14-2011, 08:18 PM
Same here. I appreciate all the support that I have had from both Heather and Okosh. I shudder at the thought of getting on the wrong side of either of these members. What some members here may know but Adlandpro members will not know, was that I took on Okosh in "mortal combat" a few years ago. Any lawyer thinking of helping Boggie should know who came out as a winner. Neither Okosh or I won any battle but we became firm friends. If I had been scamming, the matter would have had to have been settled in a "Crown Court," thanks to Okosh' dedication to busting scammers.


All I did Judy is what others did for me back in around 2006.....They made me stop and think about what I was doing.....Of course it took WW3 b4 the penny dropped and I realised they were right....Then we became friends...

You've come a long way since the days we battled it out Judy and in the process have earned my respect....You are a great asset to the team that fights the good fight.....Your fight is my fight and I'll always be there by your side :RpS_smile:

okosh
11-14-2011, 08:22 PM
Okosh stirred it up big-time at Adland Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2488783/BadBloodbetweenAdlandandRealscam.aspx)

LOL...Would you expect any less from me?? :RpS_wink:

BTW...Scamaland is down for me also.....Last email notification of a post was 11am...Is now 12.20pm...
I'll try again after lunch....

Soapboxmom
11-14-2011, 08:32 PM
RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam


11/14/2011 8:56:24 PM

Wallace,
Let's remove the names of the websites from over our heads, and now tell me as an individual from California, why you'd harass a woman from Michigan that you've never communicated with before this business issue? I don't own the business, I'm just one of thousands of salespeople for the business. The thread was started in February and was up for 7 months before I found it. Why in all that time didn't you as an individual, go seek answers from the OWNER of the company between Feb. 19th thru Sept. 28th, during the time the thread was started until I made my first post there...AND in reply to Okosh above who stated I was anonymous, not true, I made myself known immediately on Sept. 28th there.

You two have typed a lot here at Adlandpro BUT not typed anything in your profiles. You two have tried to bully me on 2 sites, a person you know nothing about, I don't own the business that was being discussed. All you've done is multi-site-bully a woman you don't even know at all, for no reason. It's not up to me to answer the business questions, it's up to the owner of the business, you can easily and for FREE contact him. He's owned it for 4 years, I've only been in it since last year.

* No matter what sites we're on, why are YOU as an INDIVIDUAL following another INDIVIDUAL around the internet for purposes of business questions when that business owner is NOT HERE at Adlandpro and you KNOW where to reach him: http://ezwealthsolution.com (http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vZXp3ZWFsdGhzb2x1dGlvbi5jb20%3D) click CONTACT

Thread at RS started on Feb 19th, Okosh took the tour in mid October, and the owner of RS took the tour of EZWS on Nov 6th, that's right, last week, 9 months after the thread was started, and nearly 6 weeks after I'd been harassed on 2 sites about it.

If there's any "friction", it's you people who started it and want to perpetuate it, now you know how to finish it. Go contact the owner of EZWS for all questions.

STOP multi-site-bullying a woman you don't know, as INDIVIDUALS without the doorway of RealScam over your heads, you're just INDIVIDUALS trying to bother another INDIVIDUAL on 2 sites, for no reason, except to get your jollies, and this entire community knows it, and wants nothing to do with you.
Lots of typed bullying but no time to type in your profiles, no time to visit other forums and chat nicely, that's why this community wants nothing to do with you.

You are INDIVIDUALS who take no interest in being interested nicely in the other INDIVIDUALS in this community.
The FTC says:




Your Responsibilities
If you decide to become a distributor, you are legally responsible for the claims you make about the company, its product and the business opportunities it offers. That applies even if you're repeating claims you read in a company brochure or advertising flyer. The Federal Trade Commission advises you to verify the research behind any claims about a product's performance before repeating those claims to a potential customer.

In addition, if you solicit new distributors, you are responsible for the claims you make about a distributor's earnings potential. Be sure to represent the opportunity honestly and avoid making unrealistic promises. If those promises fall through, remember that you could be held liable.






You, Kathleen, are responsible for what you solicit and I intend to see you are questioned and held accountable for said!

Soapboxmom

laidback
11-14-2011, 08:36 PM
Whaddya bet when it comes back the bad blood thread is gone?

laidback
11-14-2011, 08:39 PM
The FTC says:


You, Kathleen, are responsible for what you solicit and I intend to see you are questioned and held accountable for said!

Soapboxmom


STOP multi-site-bullying a woman
What in the World??? Is this woman a professional victim or what? First playing the race card, then being a bullied woman. Good Grief!!!

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11-14-2011, 08:45 PM
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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam



11/14/2011 9:09:11 PM







Hmmm. No responses for over a week. That would seem to indicate that nobody here is all that concerned with the friction issue, especially since any responses that did occur tended to try to deflect the issue to an irrelevant area of discussion, such as my supposed marital status and/or questions of identity. Too bad, but "C'est la Vie" .


Hello Wallace,

Let's assume that you are real honest person and you are only hiding your name because you don't have courage to be upfront. I can understand this.

Let's assume that you have never hurt intentionally a business owner by spreading unproven accusation on RS site. That you are none of these people who engage into cyber harassment for the sake of revenge or obtaining an internet celebrity status or even better promoting their business through undermining others.

Let's assume again that you came here with good intentions and you believe that those frictions you are talking about can be removed through discussion.

Let's assume that your participation here can have an effect on anything which is now happening on RS site.

How do you want to remove those frictions? What is your proposal?

Bogdan Fiedur





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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam



11/14/2011 9:30:31 PM







It's not up to me to answer the business questions, it's up to the owner of the business, you can easily and for FREE contact him. He's owned it for 4 years, I've only been in it since last year.


It's your responsibility to make sure that the scheme you are promoting is legal and legitamate...
Since through yours and Bogdan's actions this one is ON the radar you'd be best advised to stop promotion/selling and get some legal advise....





Kathleen and Bogdan should have sought out legal counsel ages ago!!! You better get a licensed attorney to explain cyber -harassment to you, Einstein. RS doesn't promote any businesses. I personally don't promote any businesses. You, Boggy, are the only one seeing dollars signs and it is going to be your undoing if you are not careful!!!

Soapboxmom

okosh
11-14-2011, 08:59 PM
Kathleen and Bogdan should have sought out legal counsel ages ago!!! You better get a licensed attorney to explain cyber -harassment to you, Einstein. RS doesn't promote any businesses. I personally don't promote any businesses. You, Boggy, are the only one seeing dollars signs and it is going to be your undoing if you are not careful!!!

Soapboxmom

Bogan still waiting for some ambulance chaser to answer the add at the bottom of his class action page....


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Whip
11-14-2011, 09:44 PM
What in the World??? Is this woman a professional victim or what? First playing the race card, then being a bullied woman. Good Grief!!!

All scammers are.
And how does 'bogdan' (if that is his real name...what proof does anyone have) know that 'wallace' is not wallace's real name?

littleroundman
11-14-2011, 10:01 PM
Bogan still waiting for some ambulance chaser to answer the add at the bottom of his class action page....

I wonder how many reasons the crew will come up with for no one coming forward.

Other than the simplest reason, that is.

I haven't read there, but, has anyone come up with

"err, Bogmeister, no one can defend the indefensible

it was cool while you stayed under the radar, but, you've been exposed and nothing can ever be the same again"

Who knows, Boggie might actually want Adland to be another Talkgold or MMG.

For all we know he might just have his ducks all in a row, a la' Brian Krassenstein, and be prepared to run the risk of being busted while he toughs it out.

He might lose a few members, but, to the likes of professional pimps like Kathleen and Jimmy, all this argy-bargy is just part of the cost of doing "business' in the field they've chosen.

laidback
11-14-2011, 10:57 PM
Adland is back up again.

Whip
11-15-2011, 12:06 AM
Adland is back up again.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/seinfeld-jerrythatsashame.jpg

path2prosperity
11-15-2011, 07:26 AM
I find the destruction of Adland very distressing. It reminds me of a time when I was a young girl and chose to watch a vet treat a cow infected by warble fly. Out came the pus, the necrotic tissue and eventually the source of the problem, the revolting maggot that had caused the infection.

There are decent people in that filthy mess and one can only hope that, some will have the sense of the cow who trusted its vet and allowed him to disinfect what was left of its living tissue.

Google warble fly if you have a strong stomach. Filth created on the Internet can be just as dangerous as some of the filth created by mother nature. Thank goodness that there is another side to the coin.

scratchycat
11-15-2011, 09:03 AM
I posted this in P2P's Jim Allen thread yesterday but I will bring it here since it has a direct impact on what happens in Adland. Bogdan does not know how much these people control everything that happens in his site???..... Someone should bring it to the attention of Adland members.

Was watching some movies and thought I would just come here and share with you. I know you are going to love these!!


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Jimbo tells HOW HE CONTROLS THE POTW!!

path2prosperity
11-15-2011, 09:15 AM
Bogdan does not know how much these people control everything that happens in his site???.....

Sorry Scratchy but I disagree with you on that. Bernier and his mob have moved HQ to Apsense and they appear to be in control of Bogdan and Adland. I joined Apsense to see if I could identify some scum and the first person to approach me with a friendship request was none other than one of LRM's (dare I say) "mortal enemies?" Mark Prosser. (spelling?)

I think that Bogdan and Adland is now nothing but a little lap dog for Bernier and crew at Apsense. A little birdie has told me that Apsense owners are Chinese. Does anybody here remember ASA puppet admin "wanrou?" Wanrou has lived in Hong Kong for years and claimed that he was fluent in Mandarin Chinese and two other Chinese languages.

Circumstantial evidence? Of course but interesting.

scratchycat
11-15-2011, 09:34 AM
Okosh and Wallace, I want to compliment you on your comments in the Bad Blood (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2488783/BadBloodbetweenAdlandandRealscam/8.aspx) forum in Scamland.

Somehow I just can't figure out WHERE Bogdan is getting his advice... Is Jimbo sending this trash to him? I can't believe a legal person/team would support the statements he is making. I was told by online attorneys that I had a good case of cyber-bullying, harassment, and character defamation by the actions taken by members in Adland and the RS classaction threat. While this can be done, it can also be very expensive to pursue. Also, I was told to ignore the legal threats made against me as there was no way anyone was going to bring suit against me. What is being done in this community is reporting facts about the programs being promoted by these people. With my leaving and no one else about to try and expose scam/fraud in Adland, the floodgates have been opened and now any and everything goes. Don't get me wrong, I do not mean that I was stopping anything, it would be like a brick trying to stop the flood coming. However, it did help alert other members of what was happening. I confess, I thought I was doing something good by spreading beauty, love, peace, hugs, in Adland Networking community. At least it helped me feel good because there are a few people who gained courage to carry out their dreams when it might have taken much longer.

It seems the main defense they come back with is to accuse the other and try to become the victim. Distraction. They want the members to believe we are just a bunch of "know-nothings" and have nothing better to do than investigate and report their illegal programs. Then, especially one, brings on the 'pity me' formula and so many of the 'downliner/friends' feel so sorry for them. Oh, we are trying to hurt this good person who is working so hard to take their money to feed the children and we are just reporting them to the authorities..:crying_2:

scratchycat
11-15-2011, 09:37 AM
Sorry Scratchy but I disagree with you on that. Bernier and his mob have moved HQ to Apsense and they appear to be in control of Bogdan and Adland. I joined Apsense to see if I could identify some scum and the first person to approach me with a friendship request was none other than one of LRM's (dare I say) "mortal enemies?" Mark Prosser. (spelling?)

No, P2P, you are not disagreeing, that was why the question marks. Of course he is aware of what is happening and as long as it brings in $$$ he will not interfere.

path2prosperity
11-15-2011, 09:53 AM
Okosh and Wallace, I want to compliment you on your comments in the Bad Blood (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2488783/BadBloodbetweenAdlandandRealscam/8.aspx) forum in Scamland.

One, brings on the 'pity me' formula and so many of the 'downliner/friends' feel so sorry for them. Oh, we are trying to hurt this good person who is working so hard to take their money to feed the children and we are just reporting them to the authorities..:crying_2:

We are trying to knock some sense into Katleen's head not hurt her. Bogdan appears to be having a mid life crisis and Sir Roger, the knight in shining armour, is cowering in a corner rather than defend Adland's maiden in distress.

WOULDN'T BE WONDERFUL TO BE ABLE TO WRITE LYRICS AND MUSIC? "Sir Roger of Adland versus Big Bad Bernier."

scratchycat
11-15-2011, 10:01 AM
Not heard from my friend lately... Hurt Wonder Girl, never!!! Would not want those 'grown' children to starve. Maybe someday she will come to her senses.

Wow! Visiting that place is like going to a car show and see which sales person can feed you the biggest line...


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scratchycat
11-15-2011, 10:07 AM
?????

When I tried to post the above, my browser slowed down, message was wait so many seconds before posting - the site "hidemyass" was showing in left hand corner and it made duplicate posts. I deleted one and still had that little website showing up... Suggestions... I had been to the Scamland...

path2prosperity
11-15-2011, 10:10 AM
No, P2P, you are not disagreeing, that was why the question marks. Of course he is aware of what is happening and as long as it brings in $$$ he will not interfere.

Let us hope that "oldcoot" is not leaking into his underpants when he reads this thread. Poor old codger is under doctor's orders not to spend more than one hour a day reading. He "gets the giggles" like "we girls" when he recites "Sir Roger The Lodger" ditties

Soapboxmom
11-15-2011, 10:27 AM
It is really smart to keep threatening to sue people. That just gets every idiotic post one makes archived. If the authorities should come calling Kathleen and the other scammers du jour will not be able to make their online presence disappear:



kosh (http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vY29tbXVuaXR5LmFkbGFuZHByby5jb20vbWVtYmVycy9va2 9zaDM0NjYuYXNweA%3D%3D)
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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam



11/14/2011 9:39:59 PM







Okosh,
EZ Wealth Solution is completely legal, it's been on the radar for 4 years. Have YOU contacted the owner? YOU didn't even watch the second part of the pay-plan video because you didn't like the owner's voice, so YOUR "opinion" doesn't carry much weight if you can't even finish watching the pay-plan video and didn't even take the tour until 8 MONTHS after the thread at RS was started. YOU have been "involved with" EZWS since you took the tour a few weeks ago so YOU are considered a "part of" EZWS since then also.


No...I watched part 1 which bored me to tears....Could see what a scam it is and have not had the need to go back and look at more....
Legal??....Save your story for the Feds and/or the Judge....

Instead of trolling here and derailing the thread why don't you explain to Bogdon why you banned me and others who made legitamate posts in your thread whilst you ignored those who posted personal attacks against us??....

Speaking of Bogdan.....I guess my questions were too hard for him.....LOL....





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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam



11/14/2011 9:48:47 PM




I banned you because you RS people only entered this community to continue harassing me from the RS site which I left and then 3 of you came here. We're allowed to ban whoever we want to ban from our forums, for absolutely no reason if we want to, BUT my reasons are...you are multi-site harassers who have taken no interest in the past month to get to know anyone on this site in a nice way, you've harassed me and that is your ONLY reason for being in this community, and continued on "business" issues which you can easily get answers from the EZWS owner. Why haven't you done that? Have you done that? What did you ask him and what did he reply to you? Did you contact him yet? If not, why not? Also, why not go look around the internet for other EZWS members? Have you done that? Why not? I'm not the top earner, I haven't been in the longest, and the ONLY reason my name was mentioned on RS was because of personal disputes with the woman who started the thread, and I don't know if she ever did any tour-taking of EZWS or contacted the owner either. The entire group of you from that RS thread don't do much investigating, all you do is harassing of ONE salesperson. You don't contact the owner, you don't do anything that would be considered studying the business. Now here at Adlandpro you've been engaging in multi-site bullying. You are NOT scam-discussers, you're online stalkers of people you don't know, for no reason, go find the business owner, which is what you should have done 9 months ago. Why are bullying a woman? Why does it take several of you to bully one woman on 2 sites for over 6 weeks and not make any effort to contact the business owner? I'm done with you people, and this community wants nothing to do with you.





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Sorry Kathleen. Facts are you are a business owner such as it is and are legally liable for the representations you make. Again, cite the legal definition of stalking that fits online consumer advocates discussing your online business solicitation! You are one crazy and terribly misinformed woman and no one whose IQ even approaches room temperature will get involved in your scams. Not to mention who wants to risk getting attacked online as members that spoke out were on that hideous slam site.

If Boggy doesn't take down that abhorrent site, I am going to start a campaign to boycott Adlandpro until he does. Hang on to your britches Boggy!

Soapboxmom

path2prosperity
11-15-2011, 10:45 AM
?????

When I tried to post the above, my browser slowed down, message was wait so many seconds before posting - the site "hidemyass" was showing in left hand corner and it made duplicate posts. I deleted one and still had that little website showing up... Suggestions... I had been to the Scamland...

There is something worse that is effecting Adland and Facebook. It is called sstaic.AK. If Anybody can Google it and make sense of it, please let me know. Even Microsoft is using a language that could be Chinese. See Google Results HERE (http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox.a%40rls%3Dorg.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=610&q=sstaic.ak&btnG=Google+Search).

scratchycat
11-15-2011, 10:46 AM
Let us hope that "oldcoot" is not leaking into his underpants when he reads this thread. Poor old codger is under doctor's orders not to spend more than one hour a day reading. He "gets the giggles" like "we girls" when he recites "Sir Roger The Lodger" ditties

Speaking of "oldcoot", please give him my regards. So sorry about his eyesight - I have a young friend who is about in his condition and it is to the stage they can't do anything. She can only use her eyes a few hours a day. Wow! So many things to be thankful for and eyesight is one of them.

I hope he has someone to read to him some. We will try to keep him laughing. lol

scratchycat
11-15-2011, 10:53 AM
Sorry Kathleen. Facts are you are a business owner such as it is and are legally liable for the representations you make. Again, cite the legal definition of stalking that fits online consumer advocates discussing your online business solicitation! You are one crazy and terribly misinformed woman and no one whose IQ even approaches room temperature will get involved in your scams. Not to mention who wants to risk getting attacked online as members that spoke out were on that hideous slam site.

If Boggy doesn't take down that abhorrent site, I am going to start a campaign to boycott Adlandpro until he does. Hang on to your britches Boggy!

Amen to 1st paragraph there, SBM!!!

Give instructions on 2nd...

path2prosperity
11-15-2011, 01:02 PM
Speaking of "oldcoot", please give him my regards. So sorry about his eyesight - I have a young friend who is about in his condition and it is to the stage they can't do anything. She can only use her eyes a few hours a day. Wow! So many things to be thankful for and eyesight is one of them.

I hope he has someone to read to him some. We will try to keep him laughing. lol

How right you are. I dread the day when I can't read a good book. How sad that it should happen to a young friend of yours. Oldcoot has a Spanish "home help" who reads to him but he suffers mental anguish when he has to listen to her reading to him in English. He is one of my delightful "grumpy old men friends." Please will RS members send him a PM and invite him to have more grizzles here.

path2prosperity
11-15-2011, 01:41 PM
it was cool while you stayed under the radar, but, you've been exposed and nothing can ever be the same again"[/I]



No it will not LRM.

I hope that "Sir Roger," has registered for VAT, if he wants to collect cash from Kathleen' scams. Sir Roger may be squeaky clean and he should know the hidden dangers of being associated with sites like ALP. The man may be a prize idiot but I would not like to see him hurt if he does not deserve it. Adland is a hornet's nest and I hope that there will not be too many people who get stung.

laidback
11-15-2011, 09:23 PM
Wallace said he wanted to pour oil on troubled waters, but his last post probably won't help

Curious that when you where quoting UK law(which by the way is meaningless in the US and Canada), you didn't bother to quote the ENTIRE passage! You seem to have overlooked the important defenses listed:

that the course of conduct was pursued for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime;
that it was pursued under any enactment or rule of law or to comply with any condition or requirement imposed by any person under any enactment; or
that in the particular circumstances the pursuit of the course of conduct was reasonable

okosh
11-15-2011, 09:50 PM
Okosh and Wallace, I want to compliment you on your comments in the Bad Blood (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2488783/BadBloodbetweenAdlandandRealscam/8.aspx) forum in Scamland.


LOL...Bogan don't want any part of me....He won't reply or answer me at all...Maybe he's not as dumb as we think....LOL....

littleroundman
11-15-2011, 11:20 PM
Maybe he's not as dumb as we think....LOL....

He's not vewwy bright,

but he can lift heavy fings

Soapboxmom
11-16-2011, 12:28 AM
He spouted off his big ol' windbag of a mouth again and here I go archiving:



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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam






11/16/2011 3:24:59 AM




Curious that when you where quoting UK law(which by the way is meaningless in the US and Canada), you didn't bother to quote the ENTIRE passage! You seem to have overlooked the important defenses listed:


Three defences are available to the section 2 offence:

that the course of conduct was pursued for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime;
that it was pursued under any enactment or rule of law or to comply with any condition or requirement imposed by any person under any enactment; or
that in the particular circumstances the pursuit of the course of conduct was reasonable



Hi Wallace,
First, you are not an agent who is authorized to detect crimes, secondly while you here you are breaking the rules of this site by providing false information about yourself.

How do you connect these two?
Are you really still here to remove friction or you just here to keep this topic going?


Bogdan






You don't need to be a victim of the corrupted government (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/forum/535825/FinancialfreedomTheVenusProject.aspx)
Truth can only be found by those who have the humility to consider what they do not prefer.



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RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam






11/16/2011 3:52:03 AM









Curious that when you where quoting UK law(which by the way is meaningless in the US and Canada), you didn't bother to quote the ENTIRE passage! You seem to have overlooked the important defenses listed:


Three defences are available to the section 2 offence:

that the course of conduct was pursued for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime;
that it was pursued under any enactment or rule of law or to comply with any condition or requirement imposed by any person under any enactment; or
that in the particular circumstances the pursuit of the course of conduct was reasonable







Of course he left that part out...What else would you expect from him.....



Okosh,

This is the only my response to you, as you are very arrogant and disrespectful.
You are guest on my site and to this moment, none of your posts were polite or without insult or sarcasm to myself or members of this community.

You appear to be a big scam buster and I have couple of questions to you.

1. When are you planing to send products to people who ordered it and paid for through your ebay account?

It appears that there is at least 11 people who are still waiting since 2005.

Check it out here. (http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=okosh3466&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller)

2. I have visited several sites with this profile okosh3466. e.g. here (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/okosh3466-m62085.html) and here (http://www.dreamteammoney.com/index.php?showuser=3414). You appear to be banned from there. Why do people keep banning you? Is this maybe because you are too arrogant?

3. Here (http://exchangemoneyforum.com/showthread.php/10259-Talkgold.com-Scam-Forum%21/page5) one user posts following. I didn't expect that.


okosh is a well known extortionist in HYIP. He extorts money out of the HYIP admins, if they refuse to give him money he starts to post negative comments in the respective HYIP threads and keeps doing it until the HYIP admin sends him the payment.


Also this. (under normal circumstances I would not post it, but this is required to establish the profile of this individual who fights scammers)


http://exchangemoneyforum.com/images/styles/ColorTheory/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by sudarsan7532 http://exchangemoneyforum.com/images/styles/ColorTheory/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://exchangemoneyforum.com/showthread.php?p=440540#post440540)
I am not the only one who hates okosh, everyone hates him




I am not the only one who hates okosh, everyone hates him, he is banned in all forums except TG. I also found his real picture in this thread, in case someone needs it to report to the police.
OKOSH - A Real Picture of the Pervert (http://www.code4gold.com/forums/index.php?topic=12614.0)


The conversation here (http://exchangemoneyforum.com/showthread.php/10259-Talkgold.com-Scam-Forum%21/page5) is quite revealing.


4. I noticed that you have realscam.com in your signature here, are you sure that management of that site wants to be associated with you?

There is more info, but I guess this is good for the start.

What other impersonations can I search to find more info on you?
I'm sure it will be no less revealing than this.

I think we will start special section on this site about faces from RS.

Bogdan Fiedur





You don't need to be a victim of the corrupted government (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/forum/535825/FinancialfreedomTheVenusProject.aspx)
Truth can only be found by those who have the humility to consider what they do not prefer.








Boggy also added on the slam site:

Realscamclassactionsuite Copyright © 2011 All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Boggy just can't resist keeping the fight going. Bogdan, we may not be law enforcement officials, but you sure as heck ain't no legal eagle either! We do have every right to express our opinions and that is obviously not going to be to your advantage and lest you should forget, opinions are not actionable, goofball!!!

Soapboxmom

Whip
11-16-2011, 12:52 AM
He really is a whiny dope. He gives ole clem a run for his money.

littleroundman
11-16-2011, 02:14 AM
'round and 'round we go.

Attack the messenger, post fake information about people, drag up ancient information which wasn't true when it was current, much less today, criticize politicians, pose meaningless questions about "rights".....ad infinitum.....ad nauseum

But, zero, zip, zilch, nada, nil, nothing about the fact he's running a forum full of HYIPs, ponzi scams and get-rich-quick pyramid schemes

Which, after all, is the entire reason this thread exists.




N.B. I've been holding my breath for near on three weeks now, while waiting for the summons. Can someone tell the Bogmeister to get his ass into gear and make it happen before I turn blue and fall on the floor.................................laughing, that is)

path2prosperity
11-16-2011, 04:24 AM
You are chasing your tail Boggie. Anybody can dig up dirt made by low echelon paid Internet posters. I thought you had more sense than that.

Do you want the news that I made a fortune from running a lesbian brothel? That piece of NEWS is somewhere on WLD. I have also seen posts claiming that "Our Sara" is the hard porn star Sara Blow. If you want more dirt on Okosh you will certainly find plenty of it but WHAT ABOUT THE CREDIBILITY OF THE WITNESS? People who speak up for Okosh include names like SBM, Patrick Pretty and Lynne Eddginton from Eagle Research. Try to prove that those witnesses are unreliable Boggie.

In other words "Use your Loaf Before You Spout Garbage"