jsstripler2

[okosh]

Time4change aka peark8 and his fello MMG member Lolola are ready to launch their brand new scam....

It feeds off the JustbeenScammed name....

jsstripler2(dot)com

Was a leak in the major scam forums so they turned off the sign up button....



TRIPLER2 (T2) RECRUITER WARM PRE-LAUNCH

REGISTRATIONS ARE NOW OFFLINE 30 MINS EARLY DUE TO PUBLIC FORUM LEAK...

WILL UPDATE OVER THE COMING 24 HOURS.

THANK YOU.


Here is the BS....



Hello and welcome to jsstripler2



I know what you are thinking and the answer is a solid NO!



We are in no way connected to justbeenpaid, Frederick Mann, Carl Pearson, or any other people connected to that program and/or persons.



As a matter of fact, with the exception of the domain name, 2% daily concept with 4 hyip units expiring to produce a $60 2x2 forced matrix. We could NOT be further from the above set up.



Now you are probably thinking 'hmmm... but why so familiar and how so different?.. and why did they use 'that' name??'



Well, I suppose the best way to explain it, is to ask yourself to think of an old movie, maybe one from the 1970s. Which starts out great, exciting, thrilling, until about half way through when you start totally losing the plot! then it becomes torture, you start to lose 'interest'.. Then the ending leaves you totally disappointed.



Then someone comes along and produces a remake of that movie. The movie has the same title, and the same general plot but this time, the producer and director have managed to get the formula totally correct, to the point you just don't want it to end... That is what we have managed to do with jsstripler2.


Click Here for a full explanation





Infinity

Never before in the history of online income generation has there ever been a more thoroughly thought out plan for ensuring way beyond a shadow of a doubt, that T2 has totally nailed the problem of indefinite sustainability.



Up until now, many have tried and failed to keep the 'ball in play', so that they can deliver in the very long term for their members. This has always lead to the inevitable premature death of a program. Most of the time leaving members out of pocket and wondering where to go next.



T2 has taken the 'bull by the horns' and created something so unique and special, that we are 100% confident that once you join up, you will never need to join any other online plan... Ever!



'Infinity' is what we call our unique system of 'joint sustainability and stability' or 'JSS' :) But before we reveal exactly how it works, we need to explain a few fundamental facts why most programs will break down and stop paying.



1... They are ponzi schemes, and use member money to pay other members. As soon as new money is overtaken by withdrawals, the thing stalls and is 'game over'.
2... They rarely steward the system cash so that it works for the system.
3... They trigger mini-shutdowns for contrived reasons that inevitably alienate any new members from joining, and force existing members into full withdrawal mode. Not to mention the negative feedback it stimulates.
4... They fail to acquire assets that bring in much needed supportive funding.
5... They copy the exact same blueprint as the competition, going after the same customers, and so repeating the same mistakes of the past, instead of learning from them.
6... They fail to set up forecasting for their own program, and often are forced to react to problems when it is too late to undo the damage.



So what is 'Infinity' all about?


TRIPLER2 (T2) Infinity Plan Breakdown.



This guide will give you a good idea of just how sustainable this program is.



Never before in the history of online income generation has there ever been a more thoroughly thought out plan for ensuring way beyond a shadow of a doubt, that T2 has totally nailed the problem of indefinite sustainability.



Up until now, many have tried and failed to keep the 'ball in play', so that they can deliver in the very long term for their members. This has always lead to the inevitable premature death of a program. Most of the time leaving members out of pocket and wondering where to go next.



T2 has taken the 'bull by the horns' and created something so unique and special, that we are 100% confident that once you join up, you will never need to join any other online plan... Ever!



'Infinity' is what we call our unique system of 'joint sustainability and stability' or 'JSS' :) But before we reveal exactly how it works, we need to explain a few fundamental facts why most programs will break down and stop paying.



1... They are ponzi schemes, and use member money to pay other members. As soon as new money is overtaken by withdrawals, the thing stalls and is 'game over'.
2... They rarely steward the system cash so that it works for the system.
3... They trigger mini-shutdowns for contrived reasons that inevitably alienate any new members from joining, and force existing members into full withdrawal mode. Not to mention the negative feedback it stimulates.
4... They fail to acquire assets that bring in much needed supportive funding.
5... They copy the exact same blueprint as the competition, going after the same customers, and so repeating the same mistakes of the past, instead of learning from them.
6... They fail to set up forecasting for their own program, and often are forced to react to problems when it is too late to undo the damage.



So what is 'Infinity' all about?



Firstly. The T2 Infinity Plan is split into three main areas.



1... Intelligent investing.


Among the T2 team we have gained many years of experience in investing. We know that it is not what you invest in, but 'how you invest' that is the key to ensuring good positive returns on investment (ROI). That is why we employ only the very best and long established experts with many years of proven track records, to look after the day to day growth of a portion of the system capital. These high-flying experts really know their industry, they can push money in and out of 30 different commodities, securities and currencies in a day making little micro profits of 0.1% to 0.3% from each one, sometimes nailing between 5% and 10% ROI in a single day.



What we send outside for investing is as follows.


a) A variable percentage of system cash (see 'Infinity Machine' in section 3.
b) All subscription fees.
c) All revenue from the website family services, (paid for by 'non' main program members).
d) All advertising revenue from the website family.
e) All RCs from member purchases who join the main program via 'non-member' promotion.
f) All revenue from pre-withdrawal ad surfing.



Combined, this investment capital will go out for a minimum of 60 days compounding, and will come back to the system increased by at least a factor of 3.



2... Acquisition of assets.


Also among the T2 team, we have many years experience in webmastering and search engine optimization (SEO). So we know exactly what to look for when it comes to spotting potential goldmines. There are literally hundreds of websites for sale that have many good positive things going for them. Such as, established domain name, existing member base, good Google page rank, existing established income. However, at the same time, they are poorly optimized and run at a fraction of their potential. Therefore these sites can be generally picked up very cheaply indeed.



Not only do they add a platform for free advertising of the T2 program, but they have so much scope for improvement. We will be using only the best SEO experts in the field (I am talking first page on Google for the keyword SEO!). This would dramatically build the income from the sites. Also all of the revenue from the website family, goes out for compounding for at least 60 days before being fed into the system cash.



All existing upgraded members of the main program will have the use of many of the website services for free, and level 2 members can also take advantage of extra enhanced features from them. The existing member base of each website we acquire, will be invited into the main program as a way of not only getting the services of the site that they were already paying to use, 'for free', but also with the added ability to earn a fantastic online income from the spectacular T2 plan.



As an added bonus, with our 'unique dynamic referral links'. The members who fall into the 'active promoters' category. Will be able to promote these websites separately using their links, which will not only increase their potential RCs, but also as each website grows in membership, so more members can be brought into the main program. What makes our ref links so unique, is that the system can track any new member from being recruited to any external website, to eventually signing up to the main program, thus adding another referral to the sponsor's T2 downline.... Pretty cool eh?



So,.. new websites, mean new income streams, which means new promoting, which means new members, which means new promoters of all the websites and main program, and so the cycle continues....



3... Intelligent forecasting and the 'Infinity Machine'.


This is the glue that holds together the whole Infinity Plan.



This unique software has been developed in such a way, that it can almost predict the future in advance. It also lets us know exactly when and where to put system cash, when to move the bias to a certain area of the Infinity Plan and when to trigger certain sustainability and 'growth spurt mechanisms'.



It has a very clever and highly developed algorithm that takes all of the different income streams into account, as well as all of the actual withdrawals, and working with certain variables, is able to project a pretty accurate forecast for the next day, week, month and year. It is even programmed to expect certain peaks in withdrawals, such as a month before Christmas, or the last week of the month when salaried members tend to find their bank account funds dwindling.



It is constantly monitoring every movement in and out of the system, and with every cent in or out, it makes a new adjustment. The algorithm itself is top secret, and is what enables us to call the whole plan 'INFINITY'. At first we wrote the algorithm as accurately as we could, and then we sent it off to a very high profile mathematician, and member of the coveted Institute for Advanced Mathematics, and university lecturer in unilateral and bilateral equations, who set about refining certain variables for us. The result is an astounding achievement in financial stratagem.



We call this software program the 'Infinity Machine' (IM). Once you see it in action, we know you will be impressed beyond words.



BUT... If all this wasn't enough, then there's more.


Earlier we mentioned 'certain sustainability and 'growth spurt mechanisms'.



Well, let me shed some light on this.. Not only will the IM tell us when and where to shift bias across the system infinity plan. But it will also give us certain warning indicators, to tell us what to keep an eye on. This removes any chance of our program ever collapsing.


TRIPLER2 (T2) Infinity Plan Recovery Mechanisms.





Just in case we hadn't thought of everything... We still have a few mechanisms to make sure that every possible eventuality has been taken care of. Even the ones that are totally beyond our control, have been catered for.



If our Infinity Machine detects certain anomalies that may put our system cash temporarily outside of 'the comfort zone'. Then we will raise the maximum Dream Positions per account from 2400 to whatever we decide to raise it by at the time. This would enable the 'big hitters' and all those built up to the maximum, to purchase additional positions to give the system cash a quick boost until we are back in 'the zone'.



We also have restart mechanisms to bring into play if we ever got into the HIGHLY UNLIKELY situation where only restarts can help.



There are 3 types of restart that could be brought into play.



1... Matrix System Restart.
2... DP Restart.
3... Full System Restart.



Firstly, the most likely restart would be a matrix restart. Matrix systems are notorious for slowing down as they grow bigger, even though we will have many income streams to stimulate cycling, we think it would be a lot better to implement a matrix restart before a Dream Positions restart.



This is because, if we were to do a DP restart first, then it would feed the matrix system with lots of extra matrices. Even though there will be many matrices cycling as a result, once that is done, there will be a huge slow down of that part of the system. This would then probably instigate a matrix system restart. So this would be a badly thought out way of doing things.



So we would need to start with a Matrix Restart (MR). This would invariably have zero effect on the DP part of the system, unlike doing it the other way around. The Matrix Restart would be very helpful in certain situations. It would basically consist of winding up all matrices in the system, and paying all the members with matrices a set cash amount for each matrix they owned.



This is Great for 2 reasons... a) It would give everyone affected a nice big payout on their positions that were moving slow (a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush), and b) It would set up a new clean empty matrix system that would be cycling at 'TURBO SPEED' because of all of the well established income streams we would have built up by the time this happens, not to mention all those expiring DPs feeding in.



This would almost certainly be all we would ever have to push onto our members. But lets go even further. This is a highly highly unlikely scenario, but lets just say so many things went wrong, and forced us into having to do a DPR (Dream Position Restart).



A lot of people may already be familiar with another program's restart. So there is not much i can tell them, but for the many who are new to this industry. Here is the procedure.



In the unlikely event of a DPR. Then we would freeze all the DP accounts and convert some of them to cash, and some to matrices and some of them will remain as Dream Positions. The ratios will be decided at the time of a restart, but we would do this as a preventative strategy, not because we waited till the very last minute. The reason for this would be that it would have a lot less of an impact on the amount of positions affected, rather than have to say, take half, which we believe would be very inconvenient for a lot of people... We have seen this before, as well as been on the wrong end of it, and it is NOT something we would want to push onto our beloved members in this program.



Also, we would not treat all members the same, we would do it on a sliding scale. Meaning that we would divide the accounts into sections depending on the amount of positions in each account. Those who have the smallest accounts, would be bypassed, and those within the next section would have the minimum converted, and so on, with those with the huge accounts having the most converted. But anyway you look at it, Not a single member would lose any money as a result.



But keep in mind... A DPR is just not going to happen with all the other mechanisms we have in place, and it would take a hell of a rate of failure for it to be needed at all.



Finally, in the event of a massive financial institution collapse, or a new ice age, or a catastrophic meteor strike, or Armageddon.



Then we may just be forced into the 'final solution'. The Full System Restart.



This would result in a total winding up of both Dream Positions and Matrices. Every member account would be reconciled and separated into 10 sections. Starting from Those who are the most in negative cash at the time will be put in section 1, and those who are in the most profit will be in section 10, with the rest going into sections 2 to 9 depending on how much they are in negative or positive balance.



We would then use all the available system cash and income streams to start paying out each member so that every cent they put into the system from the pocket, has been repaid in full. Once each section has been repaid, that section of members will be allowed back into the system, so effectively, those who suffered the most will be in the fantastic position of being first back in to start building again, possibly with a different 'post apocalyptic strategy'. ;)



As each section of members is repaid, they would be systematically opened back up to the system again. Once completed, this would be a total rebirth of T2, but this time. We would not be starting out life with zero system cash, and no established assets and income streams. We would make sure we have a good cash start, and a whole host of income coming in to a new fresh system... It would be like day 1 again, but this time with huge reserves in place. We could pretty much take on the world.



We think it is also important to add, that all of these recovery features mentioned would require NO system shutdown apart from the Full Restart. Our highly talented team of in-house programmers have already coded up the software that will do any of these within an hour or two.... No 40 day lockouts here... We think ahead.



We think this would be the fairest way of handling an inconvenience of such a magnitude. It also enables us to be able to guarantee 100% that not a single member can lose any money with the Infinity Plan, they can only MAKE MONEY! How many programs can say that? You can read the terms and conditions of any other program out there, and you will not find a single one who would commit themselves to a full money back pledge to its members.



But we can do this because we have INFINITY.

[okosh]

I googled the address....
I'm guessing it's one of them rented addresses where they just answer the phone in your name....


Registration Service Provided By: HOSTINGLOTUS
Contact: +662.29402896

Domain Name: JSSTRIPLER2.COM

Registrant:
Detcht Ltd
David Bell (Email Masking Image@live.co.uk)
Suite 250
162-168 Regent Street
London
London,W1B 5TD
GB
Tel. +44.083545459

Creation Date: 30-Aug-2011
Expiration Date: 30-Aug-2012

Domain servers in listed order:
ns1.prakartfree.com
ns2.prakartfree.com


Administrative Contact:
Detcht Ltd
David Bell (Email Masking Image@live.co.uk)
Suite 250
162-168 Regent Street
London
London,W1B 5TD
GB
Tel. +44.083545459

Technical Contact:
Detcht Ltd
David Bell (Email Masking Image@live.co.uk)
Suite 250
162-168 Regent Street
London
London,W1B 5TD
GB
Tel. +44.083545459

Billing Contact:
Detcht Ltd
David Bell (Email Masking Image@live.co.uk)
Suite 250
162-168 Regent Street
London
London,W1B 5TD
GB
Tel. +44.083545459

Status:LOCKED

Information Updated: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 03:19:07 UTC

[okosh]

LOL...Got to wonder what filthy rich business people like Peter Jones, Theo Paphitis, Deborah Meaden, Duncan Bannatyne, and James Caan think of their images and TV show "Dragons Den" being used to promote this scam??...

Tripler 2 Infinity Plan (http://www.jsstripler2.com/dragons.php)

[littleroundman]

Never mind about the phony domain registration, how about where the JSSTripler2 scam originates and website is hosted:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/hilariousIP.jpg

Hmmnn,

I must check whether any other "investment advisers" can guarantee any of their recommended will last until "infinity" or are "indefinitely sustainable"

It's funny, the only people on the planet who use those terms are HYIP ponzi promoters and players.

So, I guess, in a strange, twisted sort of way, they are admitting what they're doing.

[okosh]

Never mind about the phony domain registration, how about where the JSSTripler2 scam originates and website is hosted:


Hmmnn,

I must check whether any other "investment advisers" can guarantee any of their recommended will last until "infinity" or are "indefinitely sustainable"

It's funny, the only people on the planet who use those terms are HYIP ponzi promoters and players.

So, I guess, in a strange, twisted sort of way, they are admitting what they're doing.


Actually the biggest red flag is IN the phony domain registration.....
All over the site he talks about "infinity" yet he only registered the domain for one year
:duh:


Creation Date: 30-Aug-2011
Expiration Date: 30-Aug-2012

[littleroundman]

Actually the biggest red flag is IN the phony domain registration.....
All over the site he talks about "infinity" yet he only registered the domain for one year
:duh:

HeHeHe,

There's a very good reason for that, too.

12 months is the minimum time domain registrants will accept.

At this end of the HYIP ponzi game cycle, 12 months is around 10½ months more than the JSSTripler scam admin actually needs.

An "infinitely sustainable HYIP",

now THAT'S an oxymoron, if I ever saw one

[okosh]

At this end of the HYIP ponzi game cycle, 12 months is around 10½ months more than the JSSTripler scam admin actually needs.

Actually this one just like JBP and for that matter ClubScameria are set up in such a way that it will likely drag on for some time...
That is if it takes off at all...

[littleroundman]

Actually this one just like JBP and for that matter ClubScameria are set up in such a way that it will likely drag on for some time...
That is if it takes off at all...

Depends on your definition of "drags on"

Personally, I write them off when the only people being paid are monitors or the amounts being paid are so small as to be insignificant.

Other people think "while the website is still up, the HYIP is still alive"

Club Asteria and Just Been Paid may as well be declared dead.

In my book, at least, newsletters are not real signs of life.

[laidback]

I googled the address....
I'm guessing it's one of them rented addresses where they just answer the phone in your name....

Probable, but the guy does say he's English:
Justbeenpaid - Justbeenpaid.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=329007&view=findpost&p=6749867)

[littleroundman]

Isn't it wonderful how the folks at MMG have managed to get so many positive people together in one place.

The joint is full of bright eyed little true believers waffling on as if JGP/JSS is a real business undergoing technical problems.

What's even funnier is, they're LOVING it.

Unlike Talkgold, MMG doesn't need shills and pimps, the members do it for them.

[EagleOne]

Hmmmm, we have an Englishman claiming the program is infinitely sustainable. Didn't an Englishman claim the Titanic was unsinkable and that's why they didn't need a lot of lifeboats?

[laidback]

Hmmmm, we have an Englishman claiming the program is infinitely sustainable. Didn't an Englishman claim the Titanic was unsinkable and that's why they didn't need a lot of lifeboats?

Right!!! More deck chairs, less lifeboats...!

[baylee]

Some members of JBP are complaining in a large scale about the name and saying this program is capitalizing off of the immensely successful JBP ( Which is just about ready to run with all the money and go into the scam/closed folders) name at MMG! Actually the name (jsstripler2) VRS (jsstripler) seemed odd to me also as I would think that the admin would want to distance himself away from them. I am going to watch and read because I think things are going to be very entertaining soon and I can hardly wait. LOL

[laidback]

Never mind about the phony domain registration, how about where the JSSTripler2 scam originates and website is hosted:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/hilariousIP.jpg

Hmmnn,

I must check whether any other "investment advisers" can guarantee any of their recommended will last until "infinity" or are "indefinitely sustainable"

It's funny, the only people on the planet who use those terms are HYIP ponzi promoters and players.

So, I guess, in a strange, twisted sort of way, they are admitting what they're doing.
Here is the skinny on servers from MMG:
I am from the UK and have lived in Thailand now for 18 months. the server is actually in Thailand also, because it is easier for us to do the work, and upload files fast etc... We may move, see how it goes. i want to go closer to the USA because that is where the main market is, so they deserve the faster experience. I have servers in Texas also, we may use these. But let's get all the work done first, I can guarantee a server move will take no more than 2 hours.

[okosh]

Thailand??...Is he nuts??...Running a scam from there he must be....

[baylee]

Thailand??...Is he nuts??...Running a scam from there he must be....

LOL, I told you this scam is going to get very interesting and entertaining soon.

[okosh]

LOL, I told you this scam is going to get very interesting and entertaining soon.

They have death penalty there for running ponzis don't they??...

[EagleOne]

They have death penalty there for running ponzis don't they??...

Not that I know of, but they do in China. Other nations should adopt that law.

[laidback]

LOL, the scam wars are heating up at MMG. Whiners about Tripler2 in the JBP thread and now in the T2 thread, thread lockdowns...not pretty...!

[okosh]

And now some are reporting that after logging into their account they getting some virus downloaded....Not looking good here...

[okosh]

The latest poop from MMG....


UPDATE!


Hi Everyone.

Today we have taken the official decision to go ahead with incremental registrations with the first to be set at a limit of 10,000 members. This will serve a few proposes.

It will allow us to show that we are a responsible program by placing safe limits, while allowing us to build the infrastructure of the business side of things in a sensible and controlled manner.

It will also show that we are NOT just like any other 'more the better' program. We are NOT a ponzi we have NOT been set up as a ponzi and we will NOT rely on new member money as our dependent source of income to keep the program alive.

It will give us a more 'exclusivity club' feel. Which will stimulate outside interest of its own. Once we reopen for registration to the next wave of memberships (likely to be an added 10,000), we will be expecting a huge rush, these spikes are healthy for business. It is always a great position to be in, when a business can turn on its income like a tap. This gives superior control-ability, and an envious position to any business.

Everyone wants to be in something if they can't get in.

We are in the process of initiating some of the first income streams, which will likely include an online store of great and original marketing aids and we are also being reviewed for adsense advertising. We are currently receiving enough pageviews to be able to hit 4 million + a month. We would be crazy not to. This is in the hands of the guys at Google, but we don't see a problem seeing as they allow the same sort of programs to be advertised via Adwords.

Chris will be back at work in the morning, which means I will be able to get some proper sleep for the first time in 6 days and if I am lucky, I may get out of the office/house for the first time also. I haven't even been to bed, all my sleeping has been done, an hour here and an hour there on the couch. But more importantly for you, will be that you will instantly start to see changes in the back office. Then we will look at opening up the upgrades.

Chris was also in the process of setting up the other payment options such as STP, LR and PM, so once he is back in his chair, we may get an update on that. We will also be looking to get the internal and external messaging system complete so that people can start contacting their downline and sponsors, and I can send out updates directly to people's inboxes. We want to try to keep the mailing system as internal as possible. That way we don't have a huge amount of support tickets because people insist on using aol and mailservers that will just delete our notifications, and it keeps people hitting the site (pageviews = ranking).

I will update the banner contest and we may have the final poll on this thread this evening. You can still send in some banners by posting a link to it on this thread or emailing them to lgeseo(at)hotmail.co.uk

I think that's it for now.

[baylee]

Well, I see that Stroesdegoz/manolo, e-coupons, and DrDave/ken russo are in this. I would say this alone speaks volumes.

[Whip]

Of course it does. It changes the name now to jsscripler2

[baylee]

The original jsstripler (vrs jsstrippler2) will not survive Black December but this one will (jsstrippler2) because they will not have to do any payouts until next year. I am really interested what kind of grudge some of the referral pimps and others will hold against them for all of the money jsstrippler2 will cost them. It had to speed up the end of their scam, costing the admin and the others behind the scene. I am sure in my own mind there will be some kind of payback sometime and somehow.

[baylee]

Well, I see that Stroesdegoz/manolo, e-coupons, and DrDave/ken russo are in this. I would say this alone speaks volumes.
I completely forgot about Blondie and yourballyhoo, which are pimping this big also, which is telling also!

[laidback]

I completely forgot about Blondie and yourballyhoo, which are pimping this big also, which is telling also!
Here is the top bunch of "promoters",


No.
Username Lvl1 refs Lvl2 refs Total refs
1 your******** 56 301 357
2 stro****** 128 170 298
3 lola**** 18 256 274
4 drea********* 82 163 245
5 4eve******** 94 140 234
6 krus** 134 75 209
Notice Russo is sucking back faucet here...!

[okosh]

What is also interesting here is the 10,000 member maximum....
The claim is that they will only let in more members when "the program can handle it".....
IMO this is just further proof of a ponzi scheme....
No doubt the program will be able to handle more members ONLY when this ponzi starts to implode...
What better way to get new funds in then to allow more suckers to deposit....

Credit where credit is due....This is a well thought out scam...

[baylee]

I felt I would be remiss if I did not post this here and save it posterity. (I bolded the secret formula)

Peakr8

post Today, 04:43 PM
Post #674


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QUOTE (moneymakingguy @ Nov 4 2011, 11:21 PM) *
I know it's difficult to keep up - but do you recall post #652? You continue to attempt to support this other program by mentioning it over and over again - off topic. So, essentially what you are saying is anytime you post here pumping or supporting another program, well that's okay and no one should respond, rebuttal or otherwise to your post? I didn't mention the other program by name but you continue to do so. Isn't that what is referred to as the pot calling the kettle black?

Besides, I did say "forgive me" for responding to your off topic post if you recall.

Forgive us also for being enthusiastic about the Original JSS Tripler2. And just so we're clear... even though I am a self proclaimed savant, for some reason I have never been able to count chickens before they hatch. It's some kind of mental block. I think maybe because I woke up in a chicken coop after drinking Nyquil one time when I was 8. Not sure......


Priceless.... rotflmao.gif

QUOTE (ecoupons @ Nov 5 2011, 01:42 AM) *
multiple venues, my friend. If you'd like to know my strategies, send me a PM with your email address and I'll forward you my strategies.


Now that is what I call a good positive community spirit.... Keep it up. There are many people who come here and see statistics and high earnings and yearn for the ability to emulate it. This is nice to see the community helping others to achieve those goals and wanting nothing in return apart from the success of a program that can only benefit from this sort of activity:)

QUOTE (reynaldiray @ Nov 4 2011, 10:27 PM) *
It all comes down to how many will buy positions and how frequent are the positions bought. To all those participating and planning to buy multiple positions, I suggest we spread out our purchases and not do it one time. Imagine this scenario: If on Day One, 3000 positions are bought simultaneously, then no one buys in the days to follow, the program will be forced to payout $600/day (if my math is right) with no sales... It can eventually kill the program. Just a thought. :-)


Good point, and gives me an opportunity to briefly explain how we can do it. Taking your example: We would have $30,000 in the pot, which a high % is invested in a few places but mostly will go into asset acquisitions. I can take $20,000 and buy website stock using my secret method that I 'and only I' know how to find. Then spend $2,000 on top seo work, and have them paying out anything between $1000 and $1500 a day in a combination of adsense, advertising and also passive product sales commissions and service fees.

This also provides a secondary platform for us to advertise T2 (When open for registrations). Thus helping to bring in new members and money.

The real goose that lays the golden egg, lies in the fact that after 75 days we are no longer obligated to provide that $600 per day, so that income is then converted to system matrices that go into cycling the matrix system, keeping it clear as much as possible. Once those 750 DP produced matrices have cycled, the income streams from those acquisitions are then pure 100% profit.

I should offer a $1 million reward for anyone who can find a mathematical flaw in my system, but then I would be accused of not being original. So how about $5 million smile.gif


Link:

Tripler2 - Jsstripler2.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Tripler2-Jsstripler2co-t389971.html&pid=6771794&st=660#entry6771794)

[Whip]

They love to use the word 'positions' like they're trading on the stock exchange.

[okosh]

Nice to see that sign ups have slowed to a trickle on this one....

[okosh]

Good point, and gives me an opportunity to briefly explain how we can do it. Taking your example: We would have $30,000 in the pot, which a high % is invested in a few places but mostly will go into asset acquisitions. I can take $20,000 and buy website stock using my secret method that I 'and only I' know how to find. Then spend $2,000 on top seo work, and have them paying out anything between $1000 and $1500 a day in a combination of adsense, advertising and also passive product sales commissions and service fees.


Link:

Tripler2 - Jsstripler2.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Tripler2-Jsstripler2co-t389971.html&pid=6771794&st=660#entry6771794)

If this were true then what the F is he doing wasting his time at MMG?????????????....

[okosh]

The latest poop...


We have great news for you.

We are please to say that after all resting was confirmed as successful, we are now open for upgrades. It is essential that you upgrade your account NOW, before we open up the Dream Positions sales. You need to be an upgraded member for your DPs to count towards your free $60 Dream Matrix (DM). Any DPs purchased while being a free member will only pay the 2% daily for 75 days and will expire.

You can upgrade by accessing your Dashboard here.
Dashboard - T2 (http://www.jsstripler2.com/members/dashboard.php)
Then clicking on 'Upgrade My Membership'.

Members will also be able to FUND there main account and DP account by clicking on 'My Accounts' and selecting 'main Account', then you may select what account you want to directly fund, and also where from.

You can pay using Alertpay, Liberty Reserve and SolidTrustPay (Credit Cards Accepted using SolidTrustPay.)
You don't even have to hold an account at SolidTrustPay to fund with a credit card.

If you have any questions, please feel free to log in to the T2 Forum, you can log in using your T2 login details. There is a T2 thread, and you will be able to get help from the many friendly members and staff there.

http://www.jsstripler2.com/forum/index.php...jsstripler2com/

Members can also now directly contact their sponsor and referrals by clicking on 'My Referrals' and then clicking on any mail icon. Your contact will receive an alert email to let them know you have contacted them.

Good Luck
Lets Make Money!

T2 Team.

[baylee]

The latest poop...

from the latest (poop) it seems that they are selling Unlicensed investments. I wonder how long it will take the SEC to catch on to them?

[okosh]

from the latest (poop) it seems that they are selling Unlicensed investments. I wonder how long it will take the SEC to catch on to them?

I'm wondering how long it will take You Tube??...
http://www.youtube.com/user/T2PROMOS

[path2prosperity]

I completely forgot about Blondie and yourballyhoo, which are pimping this big also, which is telling also!

It always amazes me that the pimps who hang out in Collective Investments Forum and MMG are clearly first cousins. Hula started pimping this abomination back in March if you look at CIF.Collective Investments Forum (http://www.collectiveinvestmentsforum.com/)

[okosh]

So far the sheeple can sign up and fund their account.....And people are being pushed to fund their account in order to be ready....
No word yet on when this one will actually start....Admin even says not to ask him when it will start....
They claim to have around 4800 members and growing daily....

So if say 5000 people each fund their account an average of $20 each....Admin could just pull the pin and run off with $100K....

[laidback]

So far the sheeple can sign up and fund their account.....And people are being pushed to fund their account in order to be ready....
No word yet on when this one will actually start....Admin even says not to ask him when it will start....
They claim to have around 4800 members and growing daily....

So if say 5000 people each fund their account an average of $20 each....Admin could just pull the pin and run off with $100K....
You can probably live pretty well in Thailand on 100 large...!

[okosh]

You can probably live pretty well in Thailand on 100 large...!

It's what I've for years called the MMG pension.....
A well known, well respected MMG member with a bunch of friends starts a program....Of course all the friends vouch for them...they say things like, "I've known xxx for ages and he/she wouldn't scam"...."you can trust them"...
But they always do scam....They end up running at some point and retire from MMG with members money....
Hence the name 'MMG pension".....

[laidback]

Interesting that Dave/Peakr8/Detecht isn't doing any promoting at TG, leaving it to DrDave and Manolo/strosdegoz.

[baylee]

Interesting that Dave/Peakr8/Detecht isn't doing any promoting at TG, leaving it to DrDave and Manolo/strosdegoz.
Don't forget Lolalola, Blondie, and Your ballyhoot.

[baylee]

It's what I've for years called the MMG pension.....
A well known, well respected MMG member with a bunch of friends starts a program....Of course all the friends vouch for them...they say things like, "I've known xxx for ages and he/she wouldn't scam"...."you can trust them"...
But they always do scam....They end up running at some point and retire from MMG with members money....
Hence the name 'MMG pension".....

MMG pension plan is right!

I have always wondered how these scamming Admins, pimps, and Co_conspirators can sleep at night knowing that they are stealing from people. I also wonder what they think when they see their names associated with these scams.

[okosh]

MMG pension plan is right!

I have always wondered how these scamming Admins, pimps, and Co_conspirators can sleep at night knowing that they are stealing from people. I also wonder what they think when they see their names associated with these scams.

They don't care about their online name....As for real names well they mostly all fake....No way David Bell is admins real name here....

[laidback]

They don't care about their online name....As for real names well they mostly all fake....No way David Bell is admins real name here....
Interesting that treebartt and xpluribus, old P2P pushers are in this, not to mention all the usual suspects...!

[okosh]

Also worth noting here that those who just couldn't wait to send in their money to this one even though it hasn't actually started yet may be about to find out that it's time they grabbed their ankles....

A fool and his money....So easily parted :duh:



I actually just have one question. So many of my team and I have already upgraded. Will we be charged another $10 a month from when we upgraded, or a month from when the program launches? I really hope it's the second option

[okosh]

Interesting that treebartt and xpluribus, old P2P pushers are in this, not to mention all the usual suspects...!

I'll bet they are....Just under new user names.....

[laidback]

I'll bet they are....Just under new user names..... NOPE, same user names.

[laidback]

Well they missed their much hyped launch time claiming that the last-minute rush over-taxed the servers. Now claiming will start "in next 24 hours without a pre-announcement. LOL first time I ever saw a launch blamed on members...!
Hi Members.

Well, we did warn everyone many times not to leave it to the last minute to upgrade... ah well. Everything we feared is coming true. the payment processors can't handle everything 100%, although most are successful, about 5% of transactions crash and we get a support ticket to put it right. Not to mention all the emails, PM's and other things I am having to sort.

So we will NOT be launching at the pre-set time of 00.05, instead we will do it, any time (without announcement) in the next 24 hours. That will stop people having the 11th hour mindset and doing something they had a week to do.

[baylee]

Well they missed their much hyped launch time claiming that the last-minute rush over-taxed the servers. Now claiming will start "in next 24 hours without a pre-announcement. LOL first time I ever saw a launch blamed on members...!

Many more excuses will come as this scam plays out.

[littleroundman]

This dog will be lucky if it makes it TO December, much less lasting THROUGH December.

[laidback]

This dog will be lucky if it makes it TO December, much less lasting THROUGH December.
I'm guessing that'll depend on how many more aborts they have on the startup, if they actually get that far.

[okosh]

This dog will be lucky if it makes it TO December, much less lasting THROUGH December.

It would have to last one cycle at least which would take it to the end of the first week in Feb....

[Danni]

Looks like there's trouble in paradise already...


http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff456/danni155/screenshot1.jpg


http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff456/danni155/screenshot2-1.jpg


With more than 14,000 sales on the first day (which is more than $140K), it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone if 'Peakr8' has done a runner already.

[baylee]

Double post

[baylee]

Deleted post

[okosh]

Just curious....
Is this MMG mod named Chris the Chris who is admin??....Or is he just a mod-reff-whore??...
100% Free Jsstripler2 Dream Position (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/100-Free-Jsstripler2-Dre-t389978.html&st=15)

[Danni]

Just curious....
Is this MMG mod named Chris the Chris who is admin??....Or is he just a mod-reff-whore??...
100% Free Jsstripler2 Dream Position (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/100-Free-Jsstripler2-Dre-t389978.html&st=15)



Here's MMG mod Chris' Alertpay email when he was giving away free 'positions' to get people to sign up under him:

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff456/danni155/screenshot6.jpg


It's the same Alertpay email they're now paying people in jss2 from .....

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff456/danni155/screenshot7.jpg



So YES, Chris the MMG mod and Chris the programmer/coder/support ticket staff (that's what 'Peakr8' call him anyway) are one and the same person!!
Strange that 'Peakr8' never mentioned it, especially the other day when he was 'out of town' and unavailable, some on MMG were asking if there was any way to contact 'Chris' the co-owner - seems like they don't know he's one of the mods.

[okosh]

Here's MMG mod Chris' Alertpay email when he was giving away free 'positions' to get people to sign up under him:

It's the same Alertpay email they're now paying people in jss2 from .....

So YES, Chris the MMG mod and Chris the programmer/coder/support ticket staff (that's what 'Peakr8' call him anyway) are one and the same person!!
Strange that 'Peakr8' never mentioned it, especially the other day when he was 'out of town' and unavailable, some on MMG were asking if there was any way to contact 'Chris' the co-owner - seems like they don't know he's one of the mods.

Thanks for this Danni :RpS_smile:
I did see the AP addy but just wasn't sure if I was reading it right....Looking back now at the date of the payment it was 13th November....
Program didn't start till like the 22nd'ish so that $10 paid to "Macky110" had to be part of Chris's reff-whoreing and could not be a payment from the program itself....
So yes this is proof beyond any doubt that MMG mod "mmgcjm" aka Chris is admin of T2....

[littleroundman]

I sincerely hope the "members' don't expect good li'l ref whores like Chris to maintain separate accounts for all of the HYIPs in which they're involved.

Chris would be busier than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest trying to keep things straight.

[okosh]

Speaking of reff-whores....
Ken Russo is up to his old tricks....


Hey T2ers!

Just wanted to let you all know that there is a contest going on at the T2 forums that is being hosted by Ken Russo! The contest is as follows:

There are 2 cash prizes: $30 & $70

The contest is more of a raffle. To win the $30 prize you need to purchase 1 DP (with new funds, no repurchasing) and to win the $70 prize you need to purchase 5 DPs.

Once you've purchased your DPs, you must post:
1. Your T2 username
2. Proof of Purchase found in "My Financial Transactions" in your back office
3. Your AP address or STP username so that Ken knows where to send the money

Contest ends on Sunday @ 5 PM EST

To get more details on the contest and to know where to post the above info:
1. Go to the T2 forums
2. Go to the "Everything T2" Subsection
3. Click on the thread "T2 DP Contest Begins Later Today"

Good Luck to ALL that are participating!

[okosh]

Click-Fraud ??....


Just a quick note to say that the whole website may go down later for a short spell.

We are moving again to a new bigger server that can handle the loads we are getting, especially now we opened the forum which adds a lot of activity and stress. Once we move it all over, we will be putting the forum on its own domain moneynetworkforum.com You should not really notice any difference, as it will still be on the same server as the main T2 site.

After this we will start building the first 10 of our other website income streams, these will remain on the same IP address and server as the main site is coming off. These sites are a totally new concept in payperclick advertising, and we will be giving our members the first shot at the markets... which will be covering hotels, electrical goods, insurance, photography etc etc.... Because this is a new concept, and slashes the cost of payperclick marketing for our clients, then this will be a stupidly simple sell for you guys. Also, the clients are easy to find via their more expensive advertising efforts. More will be revealed later, but there is a huge opportunity to earn a lot of extra dough.

Thank You

[littleroundman]

Click-Fraud ??....

More like, "non existent"

[baylee]

Here's MMG mod Chris' Alertpay email when he was giving away free 'positions' to get people to sign up under him:

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff456/danni155/screenshot6.jpg


It's the same Alertpay email they're now paying people in jss2 from .....

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff456/danni155/screenshot7.jpg



So YES, Chris the MMG mod and Chris the programmer/coder/support ticket staff (that's what 'Peakr8' call him anyway) are one and the same person!!
Strange that 'Peakr8' never mentioned it, especially the other day when he was 'out of town' and unavailable, some on MMG were asking if there was any way to contact 'Chris' the co-owner - seems like they don't know he's one of the mods.

My, My, My, How some practice to deceive and low and behold! Look what happens, Outed! He will not be the only one outed as there are several Co_Conspirators in this illegal program.

[baylee]

WoW! The mod in question forbid Elmer to post the proof and then threatened him for not posting proof!!!!!! What Hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All I can say is WOW!

Yippee

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Let me clarify a few things for ElmerFudd and any others who may be confused by a bit of misinformation going around. First of all, I came into this thread yesterday after being contacted about some fighting and accusations going on in here. I would have found it eventually anyway since I do read this topic daily. mmgcjm the moderator did NOT ask me to post for him. Peaker8 or mmgcjm did NOT delete any posts.... THAT WAS ME, and totally of my own judgement! The posts that were deleted were all bickering, arguing and directed towards another MEMBER and not having anything to do with the T2. I posted (post #2069) that there were accusations being made here WITHOUT PROOF and I also posted an excerpt from MMG RULE #4 that says if you are to post accusations then you MUST POST THE PROOF as well. I did not say that proof could not be posted, I just said that the fighting and bickering needed to stop and that you needed to get back to talking about the program and NOT THE MEMBERS! If someone is thought to be a part of the admin team I would imagine that would be pertinent information about the program - just as long as real INFORMATION is posted and not snippy, snide accusations without anything to back it up. It's not fair to the person that you are accusing if you don't show your reasoning or proof in order give them a chance to explain or defend themselves.

[littleroundman]

It fascinates me how these people can carry on these long, convoluted discussions as if any of it means anything.

It's the HYIP ponzi game world they're talking about, for chrissakes.

It's ALL fantasy, NOTHING is real.

All this, "he said/she said" and "I did this and she did that" nonsense is just that, NONSENSE with a capital N.

Tomorrow, "elmer fudd" will probably be "daffy duck" and they'll be all pally-wally again.

[Danni]

Well, the fact that Yippee the forum admin intervened says it all. One can't really blame him for protecting one of his scam mods.

It's so funny seeing Peakr8's partner in crime Lolalola go ballistic every time someone posts a complaint on the forum. Their excuse:

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff456/danni155/screenshot2-2.jpg

Haha, so now he's concerned about rubbing his co-conspirators the wrong way!

But it looks like there ARE massive complaints about people's deposits not showing up in their Jsstripler2 account. They then send support tickets which are either deleted or ignored. When they start posting on the scam jsstripler2 forum, their posts get deleted as well or they get lashed out at by Nazi Lolalola.

I do wonder if people are really getting paid here. 99% of the payment proof posts I've seen are just commissions from the usual ref whores. Maybe the rest are having withdrawal issues and their support tickets are being deleted too. No wonder you see all the pimps advocating, "COMPOUND, COMPOUND, COMPOUND!!!" on their scam forum, the surest way of making sure people won't see any of their money back. Here's an example of the 'COMPOUND' mantra being chanted every day on their forum, and it's being repeated over and over by all the ref whores:

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff456/danni155/screenshot3.jpg

[Danni]

Oh and in case anyone missed MMG admin Yippee's forum signature:


http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff456/danni155/screenshot4.jpg


I think the whole lot at MMG - mods, admin, pimps - are involved in this scam.

[littleroundman]

I think the whole lot at MMG - mods, admin, pimps - are involved in this scam.

Only "THINK" ???

One day I'll tell you about the (ex) forum owner who paid cash for a house in Las Vegas on the kickbacks he received from ONE HYIP ponzi game in the months following the collapse of 12Daily Pro.

The Joe Average ponzi player has absolutely no idea whatsoever about the amount of money generated for those behind the scenes in these things.

No bloody idea at all.

[laidback]

Hmmm. It seems that the admin is "traveling" with limited internet access....now where have we heard that before....?

[Danni]

WOW isn't it a bit too early in the game to pull the 'we fired the programmer/we have to look for a new programmer/we're having programmer issues' excuse?


http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff456/danni155/screenshot2-3.jpg

[baylee]

Hmmm. It seems that the admin is "traveling" with limited internet access....now where have we heard that before....?

LOL, Recycled excuses, I expect to see some health issues coming up soon.

[Whip]

The 'cripler2' has reached maximum affect.

[okosh]

But it looks like there ARE massive complaints about people's deposits not showing up in their Jsstripler2 account. They then send support tickets which are either deleted or ignored. When they start posting on the scam jsstripler2 forum, their posts get deleted as well or they get lashed out at by Nazi Lolalola.

I do wonder if people are really getting paid here. 99% of the payment proof posts I've seen are just commissions from the usual ref whores. Maybe the rest are having withdrawal issues and their support tickets are being deleted too. No wonder you see all the pimps advocating, "COMPOUND, COMPOUND, COMPOUND!!!" on their scam forum, the surest way of making sure people won't see any of their money back. Here's an example of the 'COMPOUND' mantra being chanted every day on their forum, and it's being repeated over and over by all the ref whores:


Anyone who been around long enough knows that the first rule of playing these scams is to never compound....Only idiots and newbs compound.....I bet Ken Russo don't compound....But he's quick to tell the newbs to do it.....He's been around since the Studio-Traffic and Stormpay days when that lesson was learned the hard way...

[okosh]

LOL....News posted at MMG....


I heard that Chris just got the boot, he's no longer the T2 programmer

[littleroundman]

I heard that Chris just got the boot, he's no longer the T2 programmer

HeHe,

Like he ever was in the first place.

One day, every newbie realizes that all an "honest admin" has to do is go onto IRC or Usenet and download a pirated HYIP template any half intelligent teenage high school kid could customize to suit.

Geez,

as if any self respecting HYIP owner would employ a "programmer" much less actually PAY for the script.

[okosh]

They claimed that the 3 admins names are.....David Bell, David Tung and Chris Kayne......

So if we go by what we told at MMG then Chris was just the programmer....A hired hand who got the boot and is now gone....

So how come the email addy being posted as the one that payments came through has not changed??.....
Or am I missing something here??....
chrisdar65@gmail.com

[okosh]

In any case here is the latest poop from Admin.....Of course no mention of Chris being gone.....
Mostly a bunch of talk about T2's head cheer leader and reff whore Lola....



Hi Guys.

Just want to say that the server move pulled up some bugs, (which we expected anyway) smile.gif

But one by one, we got the zap on them with the bug spray. We will not be needing to move servers any more. So once we got the critters nailed, that's it.

I have just been on the road for 32 hours, getting myself to the UK where i have a lot of high profile meetings set up with some of the best SEO experts in the world, which will ensure that we are able to buy a website for litteraly $300 and turn it into a $1000 a month money machine.

This is where T2 starts getting exciting for you, me and everyone involved.

I also want to take this chance to thank Lolalola for all the hard work she is doing to keep everything going smooth. This girl has absolutely NO connection to the business, and everything that she does is driven by her love for the project and the possibilities it has for changing this industry forever. She has a lot of passion for the players in this industry, if you were privvy to the emails I get from her, you will know that she cares so much for our members.

I will be popping up from time to time, but I am moving around at a fast pace and my connectivity opportunities are obviously limited.

As a friendly reminder, please do not use PM to attempt a support request, I only have support coverage arranged via the T2 helpdesk, and over the next few weeks, I am unable to devote any time to forum PM originated support requests, also PMing Lolalola with support queries will only slow it down further, as I have instructed her not to answer any of them.

Power to the people

[Danni]

Mostly a bunch of talk about T2's head cheer leader and reff whore Lola....

I think Lolalola is more than just a mod and ref whore. She's in on the scam, one of the architects of it.

Funny how Peakr8 always comes out of nowhere (when he's supposed to be 'away' with no connectivity) to defend her every time someone offends her delicate sensitivities. His latest update on their forum, which he didn't dare post on MMG:






Group: Administrators
Posts: 141
Joined: 06-November 11
Thanked: 45 times

Posted Today, 10:22 AM
Hi

Calm down please everyone. Lolalola emails me many times a day asking me to update and all she is able to fire at you, is what I fire at her. This is my fault. I should be updating via email, but unlike other programs, I find that issuing promises or telling people false information just to get a bit of breathing space is wrong. (Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive).

Literally 2 hours before I was acheduled to leave Thailand for the UK, I had the upgrade problem 'drama-bomb' dropped squarely in my lap. I was answering support issues with the taxi waiting outside. I then continued to do this over the next 32 hours of travelling wherever I was able to get a connection, as well as having to address lolalola as a proxy support... PMs... never even had the time to look, as well as also working with Mark our new coder regarding the new system. I am not even sure of the actual procedures to issue any update, because Mark and Co have full license to produce a fantastic upgrading system.

Now this system was meant to be cpmpleted last night, and if I had sent out an email update, then that would have caused us many problems (because it was actually not completed). Whenever you issue an update and you are not 100% final on it, then you are asking for 300 support tickets and lots of forum chatter. It also generates a worse loss of confidence when something fails versus a delay in communication. However, I have been assured that the new system will be done tonight.

Finally, I have to confess. Yesterday for the first time since I conceived the concept, T2 was NOT on the top of my agenda. Which is why some withdrawals took a little longer as well as support ticket clearing. I have in fact got a family here in England, as well as 3 young children who have not seen me for over 2 years. I don't think I need say too much more. I am sure everyone is old enough to realoze that I am not only an admin, I am a person too. Some people may want to add that to the MMG thread of all time bizarre admin excuses, but I am thick-skinned.

We are taking baby steps, I tried the 'wham bam' method and it is more trouble that it is worth. Faith is totally correct. We WILL overcome every obstacle and we will NOT close the site for months to do it... working on a live system is very tricky, anyone with a bit of tech knowledge will attest to that.

[baylee]

I think Lolalola is more than just a mod and ref whore. She's in on the scam, one of the architects of it.

Funny how Peakr8 always comes out of nowhere (when he's supposed to be 'away' with no connectivity) to defend her every time someone offends her delicate sensitivities. His latest update on their forum, which he didn't dare post on MMG:

I really "Was" thinking that she (Lolalola) was one of LRM's true believers but I have many doubts now. I am very, very, close to agreeing with you now.

[okosh]

I really "Was" thinking that she (Lolalola) was one of LRM's true believers but I have many doubts now. I am very, very, close to agreeing with you now.

I now think she is a true believer....She is up top of the reff whore leader board....But have you seen an "I got paid" post from her??...
I'll bet she's put all her reff whore $$ into DP's.....You look at reff whores like Stroz and you see that he at least makes withdraw here and there....But you just don't see that with Lola...

[okosh]

Some interesting poop fromAdmin.....If true then what will the excuse be next time??????



Hi.

Right, I have NAILED all support ticket problems.

Somthing has been bugging me over the past week or so about the support tickets. People claiming that they were noty getting replies to tickets, and opening new ones, and complaining existing ones were being deleted without answer. This is absolutely NOT true, this would be business suicide in any industry and the retribution would come SWIFT AND HARD!

I do hope nobody actually believed I was so stupid to just ignore the support tickets, it is my belief that support tickets are the most 'essential' tool you have in identifying bugs in a new system, thus paving the way for the initial troubleshooting of a beta website.

Obviously with a website that concerns money changing hands, it is human nature that the anxiety levels get raised and the patience thins rather rapidly. But I can assure everyone, that every single support ticket was not only read, but also actioned and replied to.

Last night, I couldn't sleep because I was concerned why so many people were saying they didn't get support when I know that they do. So I got up at 1am and started tackling all the past tickets, and looking at all the ones that we replied to and then got return replies when we asked for certain details such as payment proof or username details. Then looked at all the ones that we replied to and then never got a response back. Then I noticed something..

The majority of the ones who responded back to us and thus were cleared up fast, were all using safe email addresses for getting mail thru from us. On the other side of the spectrum, the ones who never got back in touch (making us believed the problem resolved) were using a lot of unsafe email addresses, although curioso04 was actually using gmail and a few oythers were, it was obvious that the responses were just not reaching them.

Then I realised that we are on the tripler2 domian server and carrying a tripler2 link in the email responses, and once a mail provider doesn't like you, or even if you were to just click on 'junk' on some of the emails, then that is enough to trigger the filters to block or junk the emails.... Problem 'found', but not 'solved'. But at least I am now 99% sure of the problem. I guess some members must have hit 'junk' when the old servers were sending out multiple newsletters, I sometimes do it myself and end up having future emails that I wanted to recieve, turning up in the junk folder till I marked the sender as safe again.

Anyway. I think everyone has actually had there full support issue sorted out positively for them, I left not a single one 'un-resolved'. I now need to think of an alternative helpdesk on a different (friendlier) domain.

Sorry for the confusion on this issue, and I hope everyone is now happy that they have all been sorted out.

If anyone needs to send in a ticket. please make sure that you set your email provider to accept emails from helpdesk@jsstripler2.com

Dave.

[Whip]

Some interesting poop fromAdmin.....If true then what will the excuse be next time??????

I laugh every time one of these clowns refers to their scams as a 'business'.

[baylee]

Lola is threatening to stop posting again. This must be 6 or 7 time now.

lolalola

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QUOTE (ElmerFudd @ Dec 7 2011, 03:51 PM) *
Pot meet kettle since this is exactly what you do to others in T2 thread. rolleyes.gif


Elmer, it's fine. I won't be posting on any thread. I honestly felt sorry for these people. I found a program I think could make a difference in this industry. So, yes, I suppose I would be defensive about it. But I believe in it so much, and I know the sweat and blood that has gone into making it, and the time Dave has put into it. And, the emails we shared about how important members are, and how much we are sick and tired of seeing people getting burned over and over and over. So, if it seems I am overprotective, than yes, your correct. I only wanted to find a good place in the arena, and somewhere where people have a good chance to succeed. If that is so wrong. Then I am sorry.

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Dave, please remove me as your moderator. Perhaps, I am not good for T2. I wish you much success, and I wish the same success to all members. I hope that your program will do as promised, and surpass all expectations. Best of luck to everyone.


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I also have the Idea she really dislikes ElmerFudd

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[Whip]

I really detest 'I'm quiting the interwebs' announcement drama queens.

[baylee]

I really detest 'I'm quiting the interwebs' announcement drama queens.

LOL, It didn't last very long as usual. She just posted again.

lolalola

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Well, since I know many of you like stats now, and some Like to compare JBP with T2, here are some stats. JBP after 16 MONTHS, VS T2 AFTER ONE MONTH..........YOUR RIGHT. STATS DON'T LIE!

JBP claims they had 1200 new members in one day at some point.... I doubt that very much, there is not enough transparency in JBP to validate that claim.

Here is a reality check for anyone who may be interested.

Link for the whole post if interested:

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Tripler2-T2-Jsstriple-t389971.html&pid=6812693&st=2400#entry6812693

[okosh]

I really detest 'I'm quiting the interwebs' announcement drama queens.

LOL...She really is a drama queen and a true believer.....Silly fool will compound till the end and never withdraw a dime....

She did get exposed at MMG today for what she really is....
In any case true to the past 6 or seven times she said she wasn't gonna post again she is back posting again :loser:

[Danni]

In any case true to the past 6 or seven times she said she wasn't gonna post again she is back posting again :loser:

It looks like she has deactivated her MMG account. Wow, talk about being an oversensitive drama queen!

[littleroundman]

It looks like she has deactivated her MMG account. Wow, talk about being an oversensitive drama queen!

Perhaps it's possible she had a lightbulb moment and realized the truth about what she is defending.

[laidback]

Naw, she is still listed as head administer on the T2 forum. She is apparently just a bit too emotional to handle the diverse opinions on a public forum. I guess you could say she has trouble administering her own head...!

[Whip]

It's all the lame ploy of trying to get people to allegedly say what a saint she is and allegedly begging her to come back and that's what her next post will be......all those that begged her to reconsider blah blah blah.

[laidback]

It's all the lame ploy of trying to get people to allegedly say what a saint she is and allegedly begging her to come back and that's what her next post will be......all those that begged her to reconsider blah blah blah.
Possibly, and that did happen before, but I don't see it this time. She flies off the handle too easily. I don't see any post asking her to reconsider.

[scratchycat]

I joined a bloggers group in FB and here is one of the first messages I had:

The Gateway To Longterm Income (http://moneymaker4554.blogspot.com/)

They are really drawing people in with all the other NICE things they have on blogs.

[Whip]

Possibly, and that did happen before, but I don't see it this time. She flies off the handle too easily. I don't see any post asking her to reconsider.

You won't see any. It will just be alleged that it happened through emails or PMs.

[okosh]

The latest poop from admin....


Just wanted to say thanks to those 'bean counters' who took the time and trouble to crunch the numbers based on a pretty bad current 'worst case' scenario as an example guide to work off. Obviously they are miles off but I do appreciate all the effort given to explaining to everyone what the perils of running a pure ponzi scheme are.

This is the exact mathematical nightmare that we have ring-fenced T2 in order to completely avoid. That is why I spent 3 months working out a different style of mathematical formula. One that has just about every mistake of past (and some present) programs 100% covered.

The website is actually covered with explanations of how it all works, using a lot of details as well as easy to understand (In my mind) representations. Once armed with ALL the facts, then it becomes easy to see why T2 is definitely a good pick.

The program itself is growing at a very nice and most importantly 'very manageable' rate. We have not even had to do any system advertising, that is an option that is always open to us for the future to add a boost (if ever needed). We are in a very strong position in this industry. Black December??.... I would never have known it was December looking at the numbers.

I have a list as long as my arm of tactics and strategies that can be introduced at the snap of my fingers with minimum fuss or aggravation to the program and its members. We already have income and assets that are current and in the building. This will be a never-ending process.

I am not exactly sure if people are just looking at the plan and bypassing all the good content regarding how we can actually call T2's program 'INFINITY'. Or they merely find it difficult to get their head around it. Maybe it is too long-winded, we don't want to leave anything out, but I understand that people don't have the time or patience to 'inwardly absorb' the complete concept.

So.... I think we should open up a week long contest. Between here and the T2 forum.

Right.... Here is what we will do. I will give 20 FREE DPs (out of my own money!) to the person who can post the best explanation of what is so different about T2, and what exactly gives us the ability to thumb its nose at ponzi calculations. It should contain the following, but should be short and easy for people to understand.

1... Why are we NOT a ponzi.
2... What the key mechanisms are to keep us in positive funds.
3... Benefits of member capping.
4... Benefits of 'controlled growth'.
5... Where all the money comes from.
6... Why T2 is an easy choice for members to enter with confidence for a bright future.

Please put your T2 username at the top of your post and I will judge the best explanation. Hopefully this time next week, people will feel a lot more informed of what is going on with the program and why it is the place to be.

Here is where you can study up.

Income Streams 1 HERE (http://www.jsstripler2.com/streams.php)
Income Streams 2 HERE (http://www.jsstripler2.com/web-streams.php)
Income Streams 3 HERE (http://www.jsstripler2.com/invest.php)
Infinity Plan 1 HERE (http://www.jsstripler2.com/infinity_guide.php)
Infinity Plan 2 HERE (http://www.jsstripler2.com/restart.php)

I will also put this in a newsletter.

Good Luck
Dave

[littleroundman]

but I do appreciate all the effort given to explaining to everyone what the perils of running a pure ponzi scheme are.[/img]

[quote]That is why I spent 3 months working out a different style of mathematical formula.

How excellent.

Someone obviously failed Mathematics 101 at primary school.

All he has to do is "change the formula" and everything works out.

One wonders what are the differences between a "ponzi" and a "PURE ponzi"

Is a "pure" ponzi a virgin ponzi ?

Or does it mean it's a ponzi unadulterated by chemicals and preservatives ?

Maybe it's like being a "little bit pregnant" as in: not quite as bad.

[EagleOne]

[quote]but I do appreciate all the effort given to explaining to everyone what the perils of running a pure ponzi scheme are.[/img]



How excellent.

Someone obviously failed Mathematics 101 at primary school.

All he has to do is "change the formula" and everything works out.

One wonders what are the differences between a "ponzi" and a "[B]PURE ponzi"

Is a "pure" ponzi a virgin ponzi ?

Or does it mean it's a ponzi unadulterated by chemicals and preservatives ?

Maybe it's like being a "little bit pregnant" as in: not quite as bad.

Maybe it's one that used "PURE" Virgin Olive Oil?

[littleroundman]

Maybe it's one that used Virgin Olive Oil?

Hmmmnn,

given we're talking about HYIP ponzis, and what happens to people caught up in them, that's a line I'm leaving RIGHT alone, thank you very much.

[okosh]

[quote]but I do appreciate all the effort given to explaining to everyone what the perils of running a pure ponzi scheme are.[/img]



How excellent.

Someone obviously failed Mathematics 101 at primary school.

All he has to do is "change the formula" and everything works out.

One wonders what are the differences between a "ponzi" and a "[B]PURE ponzi"

Is a "pure" ponzi a virgin ponzi ?

Or does it mean it's a ponzi unadulterated by chemicals and preservatives ?

Maybe it's like being a "little bit pregnant" as in: not quite as bad.

Since when has Mathematics 101 been a required subject for admins?????.....
Everyone knows that for program admins 10-5=15....How else could they pay out????....

[EagleOne]

Hmmmnn,

given we're talking about HYIP ponzis, and what happens to people caught up in them, that's a line I'm leaving RIGHT alone, thank you very much.

I made a slight edit, and hopefully helped. :RpS_laugh::RpS_laugh:

[baylee]

It looks like she has deactivated her MMG account. Wow, talk about being an oversensitive drama queen!

LOL, It didn't last long! She is back posting this evening. We will likely see it happen 5 or 6 more times before this scam is over with.

[Whip]

Shocking! I say.

[laidback]

Shocking! I say.

Not really...she's practicing to be a scam admin...never tell the same story once in a row!

[Whip]

Not really...she's practicing to be a scam admin...never tell the same story once in a row!

Sorry. I was being facetious. lol.

[baylee]

It appears that some members are trying to cheat according peakr8. Planting a seed for down the road maybe??? (The bolding is mine )

QUOTE (Peakr8 @ Dec 15 2011, 02:54 AM) *
Fedzy... There is nothing to fix, we checked that, and we have had not one other instance of that error. It is impossible for a script to pick on a single member, are you sure you didn't accidentally edit your profile?

I can assure people that 50% of support requests are people who have done something wrong and messed up their account.

You would not believe the amount of tickets we get from people who have not been able to login because they change their details and then forget it, or they change their email to one that does not accept the new activation email and end up in a mess.

We spend a lot of time trying to source problems and bugs that are non-existent before we realise it is member error, but it is to be expected with a high volume of members and a new script. We could have used a * script with a matrix script tacked onto it, but then it would be no good for our purposes further down the road.

Believe me, nobody is suffering more than I am with these bugs. Oh and one more thing, we also get our fair share of scammers who try to take advantage of the bugs to lie and cheat free Dps, or free cash for their account, but we catch them all, and I have had to delete accounts and forfiet their funds. Call it rough, but if people wish to try to steal then they will pay the consequences when it all goes pear shaped on them. But that does not compensate for the fact that we spend hours trying to fix things that are non-existent.

But anyway, there are always going to be bugs in a new hand coded script. There is not a website that has been written that has been launched bug-free. That's why trhere are multiple versions of scripts.

[Danni]

It appears that some members are trying to cheat according peakr8. Planting a seed for down the road maybe??? (The bolding is mine )

QUOTE (Peakr8 @ Dec 15 2011, 02:54 AM) *
Fedzy... There is nothing to fix, we checked that, and we have had not one other instance of that error. It is impossible for a script to pick on a single member, are you sure you didn't accidentally edit your profile?

I can assure people that 50% of support requests are people who have done something wrong and messed up their account.

You would not believe the amount of tickets we get from people who have not been able to login because they change their details and then forget it, or they change their email to one that does not accept the new activation email and end up in a mess.

We spend a lot of time trying to source problems and bugs that are non-existent before we realise it is member error, but it is to be expected with a high volume of members and a new script. We could have used a * script with a matrix script tacked onto it, but then it would be no good for our purposes further down the road.

Believe me, nobody is suffering more than I am with these bugs. Oh and one more thing, we also get our fair share of scammers who try to take advantage of the bugs to lie and cheat free Dps, or free cash for their account, but we catch them all, and I have had to delete accounts and forfiet their funds. Call it rough, but if people wish to try to steal then they will pay the consequences when it all goes pear shaped on them. But that does not compensate for the fact that we spend hours trying to fix things that are non-existent.

But anyway, there are always going to be bugs in a new hand coded script. There is not a website that has been written that has been launched bug-free. That's why trhere are multiple versions of scripts.

System glitches, bugs in the coding, 'overpaying' some members, waiting for the 'programmer' LOL!
It seems to be a favourite excuse among the MMG scam admins (more recently from the scamming duo Kent and Johnny), "We had to close down because some dishonest members were taking advantage of a loophole and cheating the system, depleting all funds bla bla bla bla bla bla........"

Yeah that's definitely Peakr8 setting the stage for an eventual shutdown.

[Whip]

It appears that some members are trying to cheat according peakr8. Planting a seed for down the road maybe??? (The bolding is mine )



Of course he is. Look at how many times he has to mention that it is allegedly members that are screwing up. How bad could a member actually screw up? It's the same script, different scam. He learned this from the ASD crowd.

[baylee]

Stroes/manolo just won a contest at T2 (heart.gif THE 50,000th DP WINNER will WIN $150 PRIZE heart.gif)
but guess who is a Co-Sponsor of said contest?? How convenient! LOL What a joke!



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Wooohoooo, I won the 50,0000!!!

Yaaayyyy!!!!!!!!!!

First time I win.

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[Danni]

Wow, hardly a month has passed since this scam opened and we're already hearing the old ' Alertpay froze our account, we can't make payments'. I feel sorry for those naive enough to have participated in this scam:




Hi T2 Member

I just want to update you on the latest Alertpay problems.

Alertpay have decided to freeze our ability to issue withdrawals to members for the moment while they do extra security checks on us.

Why they have chosen to do this at this moment is a mystery, we already issued every document that they asked us for, and they are asking for the same documents. Even though they already have these and have also already processed a huge amount of transactions for us. All we can do is to comply with their demands again.

people who are experienced in this industry already are well aware that Alertpay run riot like a loose canon on programs like ours with very little we or anyone can do about it.

Obviously we hope that normal service will be resumed as soon as possible, and as soon as we get switched back on, all payments will be processed as soon as we get the go ahead.

STP is NOT affected, and we would urge members to start to make the switch from using Alertpay, to using STP as soon as you can.

We are NOT happy with Alertpay at this moment in time, and it lies as MY responsibility to apologize to all the members who are inconvenienced by this, because Alertpay probably will not apologize.

Please DO NOT send in support tickets about this issue, please just sit tight and let us sort it out in the normal course.

Regards

Dave
T2 Staff.

[okosh]

Wow, hardly a month has passed since this scam opened and we're already hearing the old ' Alertpay froze our account, we can't make payments'. I feel sorry for those naive enough to have participated in this scam:

WOW!!!!....That was fast....We already up to the "blame the pay processor" part......

[okosh]

The latest poop from admin.....


Hi T2 Member

Here is an update of the current situation regarding Alertpay. As you already know..... at the moment they have agreed to move the full account over to my control. This will come over with the full transaction history which can number in the tens of thousands of transactions. They also have everything they need to verify the business and any identification requirements. So we are waiting on this to be all finalized. I am hoping that this will be before Christmas.

Also, I have initiated dialog with STPay, in the hope that we can possibly promote a much bigger role for them with hopefully some benefits for T2 members, making STPay a much more competitive option.

Liberty Reserve withdrawals is being worked on by Mark as we speak. The holdup with LR, is that we encountered quite a few bugs in some of the other processor scripts followed by bugs in the new internal upgrade system. This took our resources away from being able to complete the LR withdrawals job in good time, but we did offer the alternative of AP or STP as a temporary measure to those requesting via support ticket.

We will be also starting off our T2 Christmas referral competition to win an awesome new Ipad2.... Well it is Christmas after all.

We will be launching this contest to help promote the T2 Forum, MoneyNetworkForum.com where we want to push up the payperclick advertising income. Our first goal is to reach $100 a day in revenue. More details to come later.

Have a great day.

Dave.
T2 Staff

[baylee]

WOW!!!!....That was fast....We already up to the "blame the pay processor" part......

They already have one monitor posting NOT PAYING at TG and MMG

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WOW!!!!....That was fast....We already up to the "blame the pay processor" part......

They already have one monitor posting NOT PAYING at TG and MMG,

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Account transfer is the excuse du jour for not paying. Next we'll hear Alertpay didn't approve Peakr8's account, and all funds are stuck/frozen in partner-in-crime chrisdar65's account. I expect Peakr8 to drag out this waiting game for weeks.

[EagleOne]

How can all of this be happening? Why I thought that Dave had figured out how to make all of this work, not be a Ponzi, and resolve all of the issues that have always plagued these programs before. Didn't he promise that this would be the "best" and would run "smoothly" unlike all the other Ponzi's?

Just another in a long line of Ponzi admins that "claim" they have worked out all the bugs, and have a sustainable program that will run forever mantra. I am just surprised people are still "believing" this BS.

[littleroundman]

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[Whip]

That's funny.

[baylee]

The lastest Horsecra errrrrr, update.

QUOTE
Hi Everyone.

Just a quick update on the AP situation.

I emailed AP a few times over the holidays trying to push and pressure them into action. It seems that Chris (Who I really don't like anymore) is creating all the delays. He is supposed to complete a proper approval of the transfer from him to me, and he is being non-responsive (as usual). This is the very reason I got rid of him in the first place. he was hindering our advancement. The guy is a total disgrace when it comes to professionalism.

Members who have been with us from the start will remember we had to delay each phase of the launch because he was disappearing. Anyway I also called AP on the phone today to push them and I have send Chris endless emails, he has now 2 days to finalize this or I will get my lawyer to initiate court proceedings.

Also I will sue him for the disruption he has caused and add anything awarded into system cash. The best thing about UK civil law, is that the loser of the case pays all the legal fees. This is a lost case for him.

Now on a better note.

Today I managed to secure a great asset for T2. I got it sooooo cheap, and it has an established income stream of around $3000 a month (proven). The best part is... a lot of the income is on-going and so is buildable. The next best part is that it is really only scratching the surface of its monetization potential.

With the help of the (Ever Growing)MNF/T2 Forum member base, we can easily double it in a month and then even double it again with some promo work. I plan to add a referral system to this and give the members a chance to earn extra cash while helping us build this BIG!!

The website offers FREE hosting to the public, with their own cpanel, all they have to do is let us host our adsense on their websites. There are already 6000 members, and this is growing daily. The running costs are minimal, but another great aspect is that with the member's website traffic growing, so does our revenue. If they don't want our google ads on their site, then they upgrade and pay us a monthly fee.

So we have 2 directions of growth here, member's traffic growing as they develop and promote their websites, and then the added growth from us adding to the member base..... But that's not enough for me I also want to add a wealth of top website promotional tools, that will sit in this forum. That brings those members into the forum to download them, and we grow our membership here too. This sort of forum is perfect for their needs, and as a result will almost certainly bring in new T2 members. That is what you call 'synergy'. We give them the tools to better their websites and we get increased earnings and members into the bargain. thats a win, win, win situation.

If this is successful, we will develop a whole bunch of these websites and get them promoted to the rooftops.

So, please don't worry too much about the AP situation, I have it all under control... We are on the UP!!!

Dave.

[littleroundman]

Anyway I also called AP on the phone today to push them and I have send Chris endless emails, he has now 2 days to finalize this or I will get my lawyer to initiate court proceedings.

Also I will sue him for the disruption he has caused and add anything awarded into system cash. The best thing about UK civil law, is that the loser of the case pays all the legal fees. This is a lost case for him.

HeHeHeHeHe

Ha-bloody-Ha

Can you imagine the hilarity in a British court when one HYIP ponzi operator attempted to take legal action against another HYIP ponzi operator.

Even the famous British stiff upper lip would weaken into a smile if that happened.

[Whip]

HeHeHeHeHe

Ha-bloody-Ha

Can you imagine the hilarity in a British court when one HYIP ponzi operator attempted to take legal action against another HYIP ponzi operator.

Even the famous British stiff upper lip would weaken into a smile if that happened.

Yeah...that proves this thing is dead in the water now.

[okosh]

Yeah...that proves this thing is dead in the water now.

Not dead just yet as there is still a faint pulse....Admin now claims to have access to the LR account....That should keep T2 on life support for another week or 2....
As a last resort there is still the floods in Tailand which admin can use to delay payments for an extra week or 2....
But truth be told this ponzi which claims to be the "undisputable champion of indefiniate sustainability" has all but imploded...

[laidback]

Not dead just yet as there is still a faint pulse....Admin now claims to have access to the LR account....That should keep T2 on life support for another week or 2....
As a last resort there is still the floods in Tailand which admin can use to delay payments for an extra week or 2....
But truth be told this ponzi which claims to be the "undisputable champion of indefiniate sustainability" has all but imploded... Nah, he hasn't used all the excuses yet...no ddos attacks, he or his programmer haven't been sick and he hasn't drifted in and out of a coma yet....or adopted a baby...!

[okosh]

Nah, he hasn't used all the excuses yet...no ddos attacks, he or his programmer haven't been sick and he hasn't drifted in and out of a coma yet....or adopted a baby...!

You're right...He hasn't died yet either...Still lots more excuses he can use!!!

[Whip]

Nah, he hasn't used all the excuses yet...no ddos attacks, he or his programmer haven't been sick and he hasn't drifted in and out of a coma yet....or adopted a baby...!

I thought 'Chris' was the programmer and that's why he was throwing him under the bus this time?

[laidback]

I thought 'Chris' was the programmer and that's why he was throwing him under the bus this time?
No, he was the programmer/partner in whose name the AP account was in, or so the story goes...! He supposedly has another programmer; Mark.

[baylee]

I can't wait for this to happen!

solstar

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If this goes to court...we can kiss your money goodby. If not, we might get a partial refund from Ap.. after months and months in escrow. Regardless, a restructure will need to go into effect, sooner or later..don't you just love online investing. wink.gif

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Discovery will be hilarious and I can hardly wait for the excuses that will be coming.

[littleroundman]

What's with all these fraudsters and their threats of suing for slander/libel/defamation all of a sudden ???

Sounds like young "Detecht" might have grown some over the Christmas break and wants to join in:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/libel.jpg

[laidback]

What's with all these fraudsters and their threats of suing for slander/libel/defamation all of a sudden ???

Sounds like young "Detecht" might have grown some over the Christmas break and wants to join in:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/libel.jpg

NAH. Detecht/time4change/peakr8 is just doing the obligatory strutting and puffing before he moves on to the next excuse...!

[baylee]

The latest Horse,,,,,, I mean update.

UPDATE!


As of immediate effect, I have suspended ALL future deposits using Alertpay. This will be opened up again once I am handed control of the future alertpay deposits. Once Alertpay has been added again, there will need to be a period of non-withdrawal (possibly 15 days) while we build up funds again. Once we have sorted out the account transfer of the past funds, these will be added and FULL AP withdrawals will resume.

We are now approaching the final hours that Chris has been given to respond positively to the situation. There has been no response.

I will be pursuing legal action to get full control of all the past transactions and funds. I have enough weapons in my arsenal to get this done easily in our favour.

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SUBSCRIPTIONS.

Some members will have been experiencing some strange anomalies with their subscriptions. Please ignore these for now, it is all occurring because we currently have 2 database tables that the subs are being handled from. In a week or so, we can delete one of these tables and everything will run smooth. Please do not send in a support ticket unless you have been debited twice.

Also.... I am receiving notifications that a lot of members still have NOT cancelled their subscriptions with alertpay or STP.... As a result we get a whole load of support tickets complaining that they have been billed twice... I forget just how much publicity we have given to getting this message across. This is taking up way too much of our time to put this right. So we are giving everyone one month to cancel their subscription, after that, we will NOT refund the double credit, as we have to have someone on support almost full time to deal with this, and that person needs to be paid. maybe when it starts costing people money, they will get the message to cancel.

Happy New Year to all the members and their families.

Dave

[Whip]

The latest Horse,,,,,, I mean update.

UPDATE!


As of immediate effect, I have suspended ALL future deposits using Alertpay. This will be opened up again once I am handed control of the future alertpay deposits. Once Alertpay has been added again, there will need to be a period of non-withdrawal (possibly 15 days) while we build up funds again. Once we have sorted out the account transfer of the past funds, these will be added and FULL AP withdrawals will resume.

We are now approaching the final hours that Chris has been given to respond positively to the situation. There has been no response.

I will be pursuing legal action to get full control of all the past transactions and funds. I have enough weapons in my arsenal to get this done easily in our favour.

SimpleFreeWeb.com

We are now the proud owners of My link Which is a free website hosting solution, giving members free cPanel web hosting on an unlimited use basis. This website seems to be tremendously successful and is bringing in a very good income. This will allow us to have our websites hosted on currently 6008 websites and rising daily.

All traffic is organic and it is getting around 35,000 unique visitors per month. We have plans to increase this by a lot. We also plan to open up many of these websites and it will give members the opportunity to promote and earn via their own referral links.

We will keep you updated on this.

SUBSCRIPTIONS.

Some members will have been experiencing some strange anomalies with their subscriptions. Please ignore these for now, it is all occurring because we currently have 2 database tables that the subs are being handled from. In a week or so, we can delete one of these tables and everything will run smooth. Please do not send in a support ticket unless you have been debited twice.

Also.... I am receiving notifications that a lot of members still have NOT cancelled their subscriptions with alertpay or STP.... As a result we get a whole load of support tickets complaining that they have been billed twice... I forget just how much publicity we have given to getting this message across. This is taking up way too much of our time to put this right. So we are giving everyone one month to cancel their subscription, after that, we will NOT refund the double credit, as we have to have someone on support almost full time to deal with this, and that person needs to be paid. maybe when it starts costing people money, they will get the message to cancel.

Happy New Year to all the members and their families.

Dave

But didn't alertpay pull the plug on them anyway? And why would there be a need to 'build up funds'? Since they claim this isn't a ponzi (lol), aren't the funds building right now from their outside revenue stream (lol again) anyway? There should be funds laying around since no one's been paid. lol.

[littleroundman]

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[baylee]

I am reminded of an old Loretta Lynn song, "There is "Trouble in Paradise"

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I WILL GIVE U 100% JSSTRIPLER2 (T2) COMMISSION BACK ! Passive Stream of Income, No Recruiting, Sponsoring or Promoting, Get Paid Daily (http://yourteamcoop.com) I WILL GIVE U 100% JSSTRIPLER2 (T2) COMMISSION BACK ! Passive Stream of Income, No Recruiting, Sponsoring or Promoting, Get Paid Daily (http://yourteamcoop.com) Posted Yesterday, 10:12 PM
Dave, Dave ...

I have absolutely ZERO interest in the spat between you and and some guy named 'Chris'.

That is a situation that YOU must deal with and get straightened out.

I don't want 'Chris' phone number nor his home address and I definitely will not be pursuing him legally.

If I purchased JeeJeeBees from Corporate Entity A and Corporate Entity A is not owning up to what was promised,
then the buck stops with Corporate Entity A.

If Corporate Entity A has a bonehead partner, Vice President or CEO or Board of Director member,
I could care less about that. Corporate Entity A is fully responsible.

Just as you wrote in one of your emails, Dave./ You said that you are 100% responsible. And, there I agree 100% with you.

I truly find it unnecessary to continue to get the members involved in your business relationship with 'Chris'.

Whatever it takes, David. Just get it done. Updates would be great but Chris drama serves no purpose.
And whether he goes to jail or not does absolutely nothing for me nor the membership, Dave.

You are the guy in charge here.

I joined T2.

Dave, you are the only representative of T2 that I know.

So, dear, get it DONE!

And yes, this is my OPINION.

Happy New Year

Faith Sloan

[baylee]

But didn't alertpay pull the plug on them anyway? And why would there be a need to 'build up funds'? Since they claim this isn't a ponzi (lol), aren't the funds building right now from their outside revenue stream (lol again) anyway? There should be funds laying around since no one's been paid. lol.

Excellent point! One I didn't think of!

[strosdegoz]

if I were a troll like you guys I had better stuff to post.
You guys are really dumb and stupid :P

[littleroundman]

if I were a troll like you guys I had better stuff to post.
You guys are really dumb and stupid :P

And....and.....and......my dad's bigger'n your dad......and......and......and.......you're scared of spiders.......so HUH !!

[okosh]

if I were a troll like you guys I had better stuff to post.
You guys are really dumb and stupid :P

Hey Stros...Nice to see you....How's the scamming business going??.....You and Ken Russo kissed and made up yet??? :loser:

[strosdegoz]

Now I got it after reading it several times.

Actually I went to Mount Everest and bought two cases of chocolate while cooking the chicken!!!??? :scared_1:

[path2prosperity]

Hey Stros...Nice to see you....How's the scamming business going??.....You and Ken Russo kissed and made up yet??? :loser:

Is Carl Haarvarlden from Adlandpro still making videos for you? Or is he still promoting those dodgy matrices like Fortune 2x2 for Roger the Lodger to hawk on Adland What a plonker (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/231557.aspx)?

[Lil Ol' Radical Me]

Great points made about the irrelevance of infighting and who is doing what to whom and who is to blame when there is trouble in paradise

if it wasnt for the irony that the post quoted was made by the queen of ponzi pushers herself, the one and only...............................



I joined T2.

Dave, you are the only representative of T2 that I know.

So, dear, get it DONE!

And yes, this is my OPINION.

Happy New Year

Faith Sloan

:duh: LOL

[laidback]

Ya oughta see what is going on over there now! The T2 MMG thread has been locked, except when mmgcjm unlocked it to claim innocence and do a PA on "ElmerFudd". The the attacks at the T2 HQ forum are running rampant, but since the attacks are from supporters and mods it's okay! Hypocrisy is alive and well in ponziland...!

[EagleOne]

Well they just unlocked thread at MMG for a little while as long as posters play nice. :RpS_lol:

This is better than any soap opera. It is funny to watch the members going after each other, and they thought us naysayers, negative people were bad. :RpS_lol:

[laidback]

Well they just unlocked thread at MMG for a little while as long as posters play nice. :RpS_lol:

This is better than any soap opera. It is funny to watch the members going after each other, and they thought us naysayers, negative people were bad. :RpS_lol:

Well, it would seem that Dave aka peakr8 aka detecht can't handle truth. A member of his forum pointed out that allowing a mod to engage in personal attacks was not appropriate and that member is now banned.
Here are some of the exchange:

[quote name='t2cjm' timestamp='1325605668' post='14113'] (Note: t2cjm is mmgcjm, mod in both T2 and MMG)
Thanks for helping to clear that up Dave.

I honestly can't believe how quickly people believed 2 OF THE MOST WORTHLESS, USELESS, VINDICTIVE SCUMBAGS AROUND!!!!!! BAYLEE AND
ELMERFUDD are 2 of the most worthless "investigators" on the internet. Do not believe anything they say! Do your own research and
DON'T jusmp to conclusions or shoot your mouth off before you have decisive, clear evidence!


wgunn- I am certainly glad to see the forum rules here being followed, especially by someone whose job it is to enforce similar rules on
another forum!!! I guess character is who you really are when you don't think someone is looking!



View PostYourBallyHoo, on 03 January 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:
It's a ridiculous argument when you are taking someone's good name who is 100% transparent as Chris Morrell versus someone hiding
behind a cartoon character mask. It's like me saying Mickey Mouse is a cheating rodent. Surely people are wise enough to see the
difference here.


wgunn-That's fine, YBH, Elmer made a mistake. It still does not excuse name calling and personal attacks, especially buy a mod! If anybody
came in here and called anyone those things they would likely be banned, but since he's a mod or program supporter he gets a pass?
Being in a position of responsibility requires better emotional control than that.

[okosh]

From the T2 forum....


That is exactly why I have to control the withdrawals from AP funded accounts.

Chris has NOT got any control over the money, alertpay has.

Also, There are still enough funds available for building income streams in the STP and LR accounts. So really we are only dented, not totally knocked over.

We alrerady have some money coming in, so that means we are officially NOT a ponzi.

This time next year, everyone will be singing a different tune altogether.

[okosh]

We alrerady have some money coming in, so that means we are officially NOT a ponzi.

Is this true??....I thought that even if there is some outside money it is still a ponzi if they use new members money for payments.
Or have I got it wrong??

[laidback]

Is this true??....I thought that even if there is some outside money it is still a ponzi if they use new members money for payments.
Or have I got it wrong??
Doesn't matter in the T2 forum whether it's true or not, if you call them on it you will likely be banned like wgunn was when he(she?) pointed out they were breaking their own rules.
Per wikipedia, "
A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from their own money or the money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from any actual profit earned by the individual or organization running the operation."
It would seem that if ANY money from investors is used for payouts it is a ponzi. Peakr8 inadvertantly admitted that it IS a ponzi by verifying that money was stuck in AP and not invested to produce income.

[baylee]

peakr8 and whatshisname are just throwing things out there to take members minds of how much trouble t2 is in. Lawsuits, money tied in in AP for who knows how long, and the hoopola that a member must jump thru to change payment processors if needing to change from the frozen AP to a different payment processor for withdraw and the required 80% rule of fresh money for changing the processor that a member can withdraw from.
They need to get members thinking of other things as soon as possible.

[Whip]

Is this true??....I thought that even if there is some outside money it is still a ponzi if they use new members money for payments.
Or have I got it wrong??

No, you have it right. Notice they didn't say that they have outside, legal, verifiable money coming in. Guess I should have made that clearer for them for when they come here to read. I'm sure the queen crippler will be back to explain it all thoroughly.

[littleroundman]

Is this true??....I thought that even if there is some outside money it is still a ponzi if they use new members money for payments.
Or have I got it wrong??

The most long term "successful" ponzis are those which DO have "outside sources of income"

For example, if the ponzimaster invests most of the money at normal bank interest rates, then adds a couple of percent to the interest rate the ponzi is offering, made up from members' money, he can extend the life of the ponzi greatly, with the added bonus of giving the scam more credibility, the longer it runs.

That way, the old maxim "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is" doesn't necessarily apply.

If you look closely at the Madoff scam, that is precisely how he managed to fly under the radar for so long. The returns he was offering were higher than normal, not outrageously so, but high enough to attract some solid, respectable institutional investors, which in turn gave his fund added credibility

His interest rates were not so high as to raise too much suspicion, because he WAS investing some of his clients funds, albeit in low return, low risk investments, and was only returning a few percent higher than average interest rates.

Unlike your average HYIP ponzi game, which depends entirely on members money and offers extremely higher than normal returns, of necessity ALL of which come from members.

[Lil Ol' Radical Me]

The most long term "successful" ponzis are those which DO have "outside sources of income"

Glad you made that point. There are far too many people that think that ANY outside income legitimizes a pònzi. What they fail to understand is that the outside income has to be sufficient to cover ALL their liabilities to their members, not just a small part. Added to that, any absence of real product or service still lands most of them in the category of selling unregistered securities.

What people sometimes fail to see is that, if you can make enough money legally to meet all the liabilities of a high yield ponzi, you probably have the requirements to succeed in a real business and could most likely raise your capital legally through a bank and forget starting a ponzi. So to have "outside income" financing a ponzi is a contradiction in concepts anyway. No honest businessman is going to raise capital by starting a ponzi.

[littleroundman]

A further point worth mentioning is the fact that it is virtually impossible for a ponzi master to go "legit" using the proceeds of his/her ponzi and satisfy the demands of the victims of the original ponzi.

Bryan Marsden of P.I.P.S. fame is a prime example.

Marsden and his wife purportedly bought a fashion business and several coffee shops during the heyday of his HYIP.

But they simply could not sustain the kind of payouts needed to keep P.I.P.S alive, no matter how successful the legit businesses were.


Specialty retailers and general merchandisers -- department stores -- were the most profitable sector of the retail economy in 2009, according to "Fortune"magazine, with a 3.2 percent average profit margin. Food and drug stores operated on a 1.5 percent margin. That year, automotive retailers posted losses, with a -7.9 percent profit margin, although the previous year, they operated on an average margin of 1.1 percent.

What Is a Good Retail Profit Margin? | Small Business - Chron.com (http://smallbusiness.chron.com/good-retail-profit-margin-14123.html)

Double or triple the "average" profit margin and you STILL couldn't pay out HYIP ponzi rates.

[Lil Ol' Radical Me]

Not to mention the funding of his legal enterprise with monies gained through his illegal one!

[laidback]

Seems our T2 admin freakr8/detecht/oh-never-mind, has hit upon a new way to suck in traffic, keep it "positive" and create a bunch of paid tattle-tales at the same time

Earn mega-bucks for simply socializing in the T2 forum.

Did you know that you can make in excess of $0.20 a post and even more if it is really interesting. Did you know that the forum average No of replies per new topic is 15? That means you can earn around $0.20 per new topic, when T2s earned are traded in for free DPs.

Here is a breakdown of how many $T2s you can earn.

Points per topic = 20
Points per reply = 10
Points to Topic Starter per reply = 5
Points Per Positive Rep (giver) = 3
Points Per Positive Rep (receiver) = 5
Points Per Negative Rep (giver) = 3
Points Per Negative Rep (receiver) = -5 (yes... minus
Note that he'll give 3 points for a negative report AND subtract 5 points from the person reported...WTF is that a preschool class over there???

[littleroundman]

Seems our T2 admin freakr8/detecht/oh-never-mind, has hit upon a new way to suck in traffic, keep it "positive" and create a bunch of paid tattle-tales at the same time

Note that he'll give 3 points for a negative report AND subtract 5 points from the person reported...WTF is that a preschool class over there???

Makes the "members" responsible for when "naysayers" move into negative point territory and are banned.

[Danni]

Just as expected, Peakr8/David Bell blames everything on members and throws in the towel. That was a well thought out scam, with a new excuse every step of the way with members responsible for everything that 'went' wrong.




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Posted Today, 12:18 PM

I keep trying to tell people that we know about this.

I keep telling people that it is because we have 2 subscription systems running at the moment.

I keep telling people that we will be deleting one of them soon and everything will be returned to normal.

I keep telling people not to send in support tickets about it.

I am at the end of my capabilities. I have 167 support tickets this morning alone. I can't manage T2 any longer I am afraid to say. I get very rude tickets, i get abuse, I get threats and I get insults! I have worked very hard, and it seems i am not able to run this program any longer. I just don't have the energy and the job is getting harder by the day.

With the alertpay issue, I am just completely drained. i had no holiday over Christmas, my kids never got to see me apart from twice in the past 5 weeks. I am returning to thailand in a couple of days. There is nothing here left to be sorted out.

T2 is a 4 man job (minimum) and I just don't have the human resources to do it right. People won't wait, they have no patience where monery is concerned, and I am starting to dispise the day i ever agreed with Chris to do this project. If I had known then what I know now, I would have ran a mile.

This is ruining my life.

I will advise the members later, i need to think and make my final decision.

[littleroundman]

All together now:


a-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w diddums.

[laidback]

All together now:


a-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w diddums.

Now the fun begins:
Give me a day to think it all through. I need to get away from the internet to let my head cool down a bit. I will think of a formula that will enable us to move forwards, but i am damned if I will be working with AP in the future. They know I am the rightful controller, and they should be considering what is best for their members and one of their bigger merchants.

They even know that Chris has been building that account without authority, but still they took money into it, until I intervened. The were obviously regarding Chris as the rightful operator.

OPne thing is for sure... I have enough evidence on Chris Kayne to actually pursue a criminal fraud case against him. He will be in police custody by the end of the day.

He withdrew money to his credit card via stp and was doing it almost daily until he was challenged. So that is theft. He is going to prison, he could have avoiderd this, but he chose to play a game.... He never thought I would get hold of the full transaction history of his wrongdoings, as well as his IP address..

The money is not enough to make a negativer impact on the program finances, but like I said... it is big enough to put him behind bars and get a lifetime ban from internet access.

So the operator of a ponzi is going to go to the police and swear out a complaint against his "partner"? Really??

[littleroundman]

Now the fun begins:

So the operator of a ponzi is going to go to the police and swear out a complaint against his "partner"? Really??

Please, please, please make him as silly as he sounds and let him actually do what he's threatening.

[Danni]

The queen of pimps calling BS on Dave:




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Posted Today, 05:42 PM

Wait a minute, Dave.

THIS IS RUINING YOUR LIFE???

THIS IS RUINING YOUR LIFE???

Truly you jest!

I read MMG.
I came back to read the forum believing I can find some level-headed common-sense update or post from you.

And you got your panties up in a twist because there are some people who don't like you. BIG DEAL!
And because you are getting a lot of support tickets because YOUR software is broken and is taking $10 out of people's backoffices incorrectly?? BIG DEAL!

DAVE!

LISTEN UP!

YOU ARE A BUSINESS OWNER!

Getting overwhelmed by a few hundred support tickets is so minor, your over-exaggerated post has got me shaking my head.

YOU ARE UPSET ABOUT RECEIVING A BOATLOAD OF SUPPORT TICKETS?

Yet and still YOU were the one who publicly proclaimed that JBP didn't know what they were doing and YOU could do much better.

Dear Dave. YOU ARE THE MAN HERE SO FREAKIN MAN UP AND STOP WHINING!

Whining about missing holidays and lack of sleep when starting a small startup business??

WELCOME TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS CLUB, DAVE!

THAT COMES WITH THE TERRITORY BY DEFAULT!

And the worst part of your crying tantrums is that you haven't experienced NOTHING in terms of what I've experienced in a smaller program I owned.

JBP experienced WORST at the beginning of their deal than you dare to know.

Owners of straightline matrix games have experienced much more than the 'the members are ruining my life by calling me names' problems you have encountered.

Honey, I offer no apologies.

But if you are telling me that rude people, a boatload of tickets, lack of sleep, is cause for re-considering T2, then I tell you this, young man ... you had absolutely NO intention of making this an 'infinitely sustainable' deal from the beginning.

A Sustainable online business alone takes big time sacrifices ... Time away from family and friends, customer support abuses, negotiating and dealing with outside entities such as payment processors, server crashes, hacker attempts, attacks from those idiots at the scam forums, cashflow issues, unfulfilled contracts and MUCH MUCH MORE!

STOP FREAKIN' WHINING and RUN THE DARN BUSINESS! AND STOP INSULTING MY INTELLIGENCE!

YOUR LIFE IS NOT RUINED. IF THIS SMALL ISSUE DRIVES YOU OVER A CLIFF, THEN BOY, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN LIVED YET.

I'VE GONE THROUGH MUCH MORE THAN THIS IN A DAY!

And don't even begin to use this post as a reason for your premature retirement.

I Am a software engineer of 27+ years and the problems you are having are soooo easy to fix. You can find a child to get the software fixed within 2 days.

If this post causes you to kick me out of the forum then so be it. But do not mess with me as I am not up for it. I am just stating my opinion. And YES, I am raising my tone at you because you continue to do it to us, your supportive members who was on your side from day 1, Dave.

T2 is NOT a 4-man job. It is currently a small program which you were supposed to BUILD.

Get to work!

Faith Sloan

[Danni]

Slowly, ever so slowly the truth comes out, pointed out by one of their own pimps:



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Posted Today, 05:56 PM

By the way, those of you who have paid over 30 days ago will NOT receive a refund from AP. Dave knows this.

And if the account is STILL uhhhh frozen, then you won't get anything any way.

So you might as well take a chill pill and wait for Dave to clear his head and DO THE RIGHT THING -- that is ..
Build T2.

EDITED: Dave wrote: "I will contact AP and give them full authority to refund every cent whether 30 days or not, that has been taken in the name of the T2 program."

DAve, I thought you had no authority over the account since AP will not recognize you as the rightful owner? I thought Chris was. And if you have authority, then we have no problem at all, right? ;)

Faith Sloan

[laidback]

Slowly, ever so slowly the truth comes out, pointed out by one of their own pimps:

It actually seems to be flying off the rails like a runaway freight. Of course the Prince of Pimps Ken Russo hadda jump in with this:


The relatively few members who are demonstrating impatience along with their demand for a refund should
be taken care of and deleted from the program and this forum. Their continued presence here will only
create more anxiety and frustration.

So what is more destructive? Having some critics around to point out problems, or a stable full of:butt_kisser:? If no one is allowed to voice problems or concerns, how do you identify those problems and correct them??

[Whip]

The queen of pimps calling BS on Dave:

She seems upset he's not replying to all her 'support tickets' about when she can expect more money.

[laidback]

She seems upset he's not replying to all her 'support tickets' about when she can expect more money. LOL, just think how much flack she'd get if she where a naysayer...!

[okosh]

And the worst part of your crying tantrums is that you haven't experienced NOTHING in terms of what I've experienced in a smaller program I owned.

Faith Sloan makes a valid point here....Hahahahahahahaha.....

[laidback]

Faith Sloan makes a valid point here....Hahahahahahahaha.....

Hehehehe it's serious when a queen pimp calls out calls the admin a drama queen...!

[littleroundman]

The main unanswered question in all of this is:

does anyone believe a single word that's come out of Dave / peakr8 / detecht / admins mouth ???

I mean, c'mon Davey,

this round has finished and either you haven't got the stomach to try for another round or you're waiting for your fanbois to plead and beg for you to reconsider.


Geez, Louise, more drama than Days of Our Lives (and twice as boring)

[baylee]

The main unanswered question in all of this is:

does anyone believe a single word that's come out of Dave / peakr8 / detecht / admins mouth ???

I mean, c'mon Davey,

this round has finished and either you haven't got the stomach to try for another round or you're waiting for your fanbois to plead and beg for you to reconsider.


Geez, Louise, more drama than Days of Our Lives (and twice as boring)

LOL, Now they are trying to hide the meltdown! About 4 pages of the T2 forum has disappeared! Of course most of those 4 pages are already out across the internet but that's another story.

[okosh]

What I find funny is that when this all started Dave was pimping this in the JBP thread....Said he was gonna show how it should be done....Said he was gonna take the JBP idea and make it better...
So here we are 2 months later....JBP still going and Dave's T2 is dead....

[okosh]

LOL, Now they are trying to hide the meltdown! About 4 pages of the T2 forum has disappeared! Of course most of those 4 pages are already out across the internet but that's another story.

Won't be long now and the whole forum will disappear!!!!!

[baylee]

What I find funny is that when this all started Dave was pimping this in the JBP thread....Said he was gonna show how it should be done....Said he was gonna take the JBP idea and make it better...
So here we are 2 months later....JBP still going and Dave's T2 is dead....

I never thought about that but now I find it quite Ironic.

[okosh]

Round 1 is over....Stand by for round 2.....



Ok guys.

Thank you so much for all the offers of help. I was feeling really bad 24 hours ago. There is a lot more going on behind the scenes with my personal family life. Lolalola is the only person who knows exactly the full extent to what I am personally going through. I won't go into it all, but it is not something I would wish on other people.

T2 has not made things easy for me. By that, I don't mean I am not man enough to handle all the drama and the workload that it brings. It is the combination of the 2 things pulling against each other. Things were a lot different in Thailand. I had no distractions there and I was free to work 20 hours a day without being dragged here and there and put in a lot of incredibly emotional situations.

So anyway. I have taken the decision to fly back to Thailand on Saturday. My flight is booked and I once I get back, it will remove a huge load of stress from me, and will help to unclutter my mind. That is what is needed here.

But in the meantime, I have been trying to think through a resolution that can help to put T2 firmly back on the road to recovery. I am currently 80% there with a plan that could probably allow me to pull this off without anyone losing a penny, and everyone keeping their accounts as well as all of their referrals, and also enable a full migration from AP to STP and quite possible adding OKPay as well.

Dittoteam came up with some great measures, I know will not be popular with everyone, but in the bigger picyure, it allows a safe route to recovery for everyone. That is what is the most important thing at this moment. But limping along like this with nothing but hope that AP and Chris comes round to help us, is not the way forward.

It will also involve some of the emergency (soft) measures from the infinity machine. As a matter of fact, I think I can get this set right again with a limited amount of soft measures that will be distributed evenly across the member base, as not to place an excessive burden on any particular set of members.

Anyway... I think you can all draw your conclusions that I am not going to dump you, especially after the many posts I have read in here in the past day/night. I could not do that, I would not do that.

I will be happy to accept all the offers of help from the members. The support tickets is not an easy one to help on... you need to know the script inside out, and quite a bit of training needs to be given, a lot of rummaging around the database etc...

But I will have a good think over the coming days. See if we can't find a few things to do.

Dave.

[littleroundman]

It's not generally known, but back in Thailand, "Dave" is a fourth generation livestock handler.

"Daves" great grandfather was in shipping bulls.

"Daves" grandfather was into shipping bulls.

"Daves" father also shipped bulls.

And "Dave" ???

"Dave" is one of the biggest bullshippers ever to come out of South East Asia.

[Whip]

Ha ha ha ha. The typical 'everyone has begged me to come back' and 'I have a family crisis you'd never understand' tripe. Drama queen can't figure out how to get out with the money.

[littleroundman]

Ha ha ha ha. The typical 'everyone has begged me to come back' and 'I have a family crisis you'd never understand' tripe. Drama queen can't figure out how to get out with the money.

Yeah,

I can't quite figure out why he doesn't do what all the other "honest Admins" do.

Run away with the money, then create or buy another ID and start all over again.

[laidback]

It's not generally known, but back in Thailand, "Dave" is a fourth generation livestock handler.

"Daves" great grandfather was in shipping bulls.

"Daves" grandfather was into shipping bulls.

"Daves" father also shipped bulls.

And "Dave" ???

"Dave" is one of the biggest bullshippers ever to come out of South East Asia.

Don't know his family history, but he IS a major purveyor of bull by-products....!

[baylee]

Don't know his family history, but he IS a major purveyor of bull by-products....!

I am sure we will see more by-products coming soon as round two of this scam is going to launch soon! peakr8/davidbell/whatshisname has used most of the excuses on pages 7, 8, and 9 of the scammers handbook. I completely understand there are more pages and he might try to use them all!

[baylee]

Patrick Pretty's Latest:

JSS Tripler 2 (T2) Creates Another Bizarre Ponzi-Land Spectacle; Purported Operator Purportedly Takes Off For Thailand After Threatening Purported One-Time Business Partner In Wake Of Purported AlertPay Freeze
By PatrickPretty.com 10:44 am Jan 9, 2012

Link:

JSS Tripler 2 (T2) Creates Another Bizarre Ponzi-Land Spectacle; Purported Operator Purportedly Takes Off For Thailand After Threatening Purported One-Time Business Partner In Wake Of Purported AlertPay Freeze (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2012/01/09/jss-tripler-2-t2-creates-another-bizarre-ponzi-land-spectacle-purported-operator-purportedly-takes-off-for-thailand-after-threatening-purported-one-time-business-partner-in-wake-of-purported-alertp/)

[laidback]

Patrick Pretty's Latest:

JSS Tripler 2 (T2) Creates Another Bizarre Ponzi-Land Spectacle; Purported Operator Purportedly Takes Off For Thailand After Threatening Purported One-Time Business Partner In Wake Of Purported AlertPay Freeze
By PatrickPretty.com 10:44 am Jan 9, 2012

Link:

JSS Tripler 2 (T2) Creates Another Bizarre Ponzi-Land Spectacle; Purported Operator Purportedly Takes Off For Thailand After Threatening Purported One-Time Business Partner In Wake Of Purported AlertPay Freeze (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2012/01/09/jss-tripler-2-t2-creates-another-bizarre-ponzi-land-spectacle-purported-operator-purportedly-takes-off-for-thailand-after-threatening-purported-one-time-business-partner-in-wake-of-purported-alertp/)
LOL, Superdave oughtta be so proud. He's hit the big time with attention from PP!

[okosh]

The latest dribble....


Hello from sunny Thailand.

Quick update just to deaden the growing anxiety.

Mark held off deleting the other subscription, he said he needed to discuss a bug in the financials table with me before he did it, that was just before I left the UK. I am now waiting for him to come onto skype so we can update each other... there is really no need to send in a ticket, everything will be put right. Also, we are going to be changing the subscription system yet again for a much easier one, this is more a need of the current situation... more later.

I also believe that the fault with the processor choice is linked to the same bug, or mark would have done it.

I am in touch with Chris regarding AP issue at the moment, and i am waiting to hear back from him in the next 24 hours before i choose the correct course of action to take. I currently have a great plan to give us full revival, but it relies on Chris, but he does have a very heavily vested interest in working to help us. Trust me on that.

I have to make this announcement.. This is very very very important.

IF YOU HAVE STARTED AN AP DISPUTE... CANCEL IT!!! THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.... IF YOU HAVE MADE A CLAIM OR STARTED A DISPUTE YOU MUST CANCEL IT. THIS IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE PROGRAM!!!

This is the only thing that will prevent us from being able to issue refunds to all members from 60 to 90 days. If AP puts a full lock on the account then that is it... Chris can't do the refunds if he wanted to. We will need to use the courts to get it instead and that will also end the claims, so you won't win anyway.

Once i have talked to mark, I will give you a technical update.

thanks.

Dave.

[Whip]

"Need to use the courts to get it" lol. The chargebacks must be quite alot more than anticipated. I hope people don't fall for the "cancel the dispute" garbage as it's way too late and the only hope they have is alertpay giving the refund.

[Danni]

That last update looks suspiciously like it was written by Lolalola.

[Danni]

It looks like one of T2's top pimps, Faith Sloan, has abandoned ship. As expected, the post was immediately deleted by Lolalola - knowing she would do that, I copied it as soon as I saw it:



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Posted Today, 06:39 AM
Chris will cooperate but funds are frozen.
Chris will be sued
Chris will cooperate and funds are frozen
Chris will go to jail
Chris will cooperate and there will be a transference of the AP account and the funds are accessible
Chris is in deep doo-doo
Chris will not cooperate and won't transfer the AP account and no new AP account from Dave
Chris will now cooperate and give AP Refunds instead of just sitting on AP funds which he can't withdraw.

and on and on ...

You guys must admit that this is kinda hilarious at best.

Let me know when something is CERTAIN.

Meanwhile, we continue compounding ...

I am Reallllllllly looking forward to SOMETHING of SUBSTANCE.

Faith Sloan

[Danni]

Deleted post restored by Lolalola after accused (in another deleted post) by Sloan of using Gestapo tactics.

[okosh]

It looks like one of T2's top pimps, Faith Sloan, has abandoned ship. As expected, the post was immediately deleted by Lolalola - knowing she would do that, I copied it as soon as I saw it:

Looks like Lola forgot to fill up the Kool Aid fountain over there.....Members are starting to see through the BS from admin....



Dave,

I appreciate you wanting to turn T2 around, but we really need you to be straight with us. We are getting a lot of contrary messages from you. Please what is the real story. So much of this just doesn't make sense, whether it be the Alert Pay situation or your dealings with Chris. Why won't Chris turn over the Alert Pay account to you? Does he want a percentage of the business or ?? Please, what is the true story? What is the hold up? What does Chris have on you that he won't relinquish the AP account? I think I can speak for others when I say we just want honest answers.

Also what happened with the simplefreeweb.com website? It isn't there anymore.




I have stopped compounding too. Like you said, doesn't make any sense.

I also thought there would be a group discussion here but it is not happening. I don't like to wait any longer and I am under a lot of pressure from my few downlines too. I wish something positive would happen. Dave said a lot of things that he'd do to Chris if he (Chris) doesn't transfer AP account ownership to him. I wonder if Chris would agree to Dave's new proposal now after what he said he'd do to him. It seems to me that Tripler2's life depends on Chris now. If Chris supports, T2 moves. If he shows his back then......

I am still hoping that some sort of restart or restructuring would take place this very week.

[littleroundman]

I wonder how many, if any of the "members" will wake up and admit it's ALL made up and NONE of it is true.

They're HYIPs, people.

Do you go out in the yard and check for prehistoric monsters every time you play "Dungeons and Dragons" ??

Do you check the skies for alien invaders after you stop playing "Space Invaders" and before you go to bed ???

Geez, get a grip,

THEY'RE NOT REAL.

[Danni]

It has been suggested that Dave (David Bell/Peakr8) is merely the frontman for this scam, the real operator/s having long deserted ship after emptying the 'chrisdar65' AP account. Apparently Ken Russo's T2 sponsor is David Reid. A response from Ken to his downline in the pre-launch days:




"The is no doubt that Frederick has delivered a real gem to the marketplace and, as I discussed in my original advisory, the JSS Tripler program continues to perform and grow nicely. I have spoken many times with Frederick over the years. I have not yet had the opportunity to meet or speak with David Bell. However, my Tripler2 sponsor, David Reid, has been communicating with him frequently during the past few days."




David Bell's alleged business partners includes one 'David Tung', of whom no other mention has been made since the launch. It's possible that David Tung and David Reid are one and the same person.

[Danni]

Latest update from David Bell:




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Hi.

Here is a quick update regarding the T2 site.

Currently we have closed the member's area to control the compounding and further purchases of DPs.

As you all know, we are experiencing some problems with access to the alertpay funds, thanks to my poor choice of business partner in the setup stages of T2.

We will be keeping it closed for the next few days until we know exactly which course we will be taking with regards to a recovery from this problem. At the moment there are 2 courses of action depending on the outcome of the next 24 hours (or less).

Those who have been following the updates and forums will already be aware of the situation, however, despite this, some are still confused as to what is happening with the alertpay withdrawals freeze, so just for those who don't like to read updates here it is for the third time.

Chris Kayne suggested starting this program and asked me to help him, after I was challenged to do so by cheerleaders (and staff) of justbeenpaid.com. Normally I would not accept the challenge, but as Chris contacted me via moneymakergroup.com offering me his 'expert' coding services and also stressed that he already had a fully business and bank verified alertpay account, I decided to have some dialog with him.

This dialog was conducted via Skype chat, and we discussed the possible format and marketing of the project after which I decided to give it a try, because I truely believe that this industry can be vastly improved and moved out of the ponzi realms of which I abhor. So after I insisted on getting his ID and proof of address etc, which I had checked out, we went ahead and set up the project.

During the coding up of the website, Chris would periodically disappear off the radar claiming that he had problems with family, or work etc etc... this got more and more frequent by the time launch was ready, and a lot of members will remember that we had a 2 week gap between opening for registrations and actually opening upgrades. We were already past the point of no return, after I had funded certain aspects of the setup from my personal money and set up the marketing.

On top of this, Chris proved himself on many occasions to be a serial liar, and also kept certain important things from my knowledge which were always unearthed eventually. There were also irregularities in the accounts, of which i insisted on access to all of then AP, STP and LR but was constantly refused. Also we were receiving a lot of complaints that support tickets were being deleted unanswered, When i challenged him about this, he denied it, and so i monitored the situation, and when he said he was going to log in and do the tickets, i also logged in and noticed that 50 tickets disappeared in the space of about 2 minutes. This is when I finally decided he had to go.

We had already taken a reasonable amount of money, even though I was able to track the AP balance live via the admin panel using their API system, the STP and LR accounts I was not able to. Chris also (at first) agreed totally that he was indeed not worthy of being involved. He agreed to transfer all accounts to my name, which is why I set up the trip to the UK so I could open my own accounts and get them business verified, which I did.

Shortly after agreeing to all this, he contacted me through Skype and launched a volley of four lettered abuse at me and claiming that it was his sole intention of bringing down T2, and that he was also going to get me 'put in prison' for running a ponzi, which we had spent weeks formulating a method for it to not be a ponzi... I believe he was drunk at the time, he also said that it was his mission to make my life hell, and that once i am safely in prison, he would take T2 for his own... I still have the entire Skype chat logs from day 1. A few days later he apologized and said he would help.

Once I was in the UK Chris then started making excuses that he had to be in this part of the country and then that part of the country, and avoided a face to face meeting with me at any cost. He was also ignoring all my emails, and now and then would send one to say that he was now in another part of the country and had 'no internet access' despite owning an iphone, and the UK having 100% internet coverage.

After I managed to negotiate the transfer of the STP account with the help of their CEO, I was informed that he had been withdrawing funds to a credit card issued in the name of Jordan D Barker. This stopped as soon as he was challenged, and this was all backed up by the transaction history of the account. The IP address for the credit card registration was based in Sheffield, UK which is Chris's hometown. Chris denied all this ctivity that went on up to the 29th Nov. Then later tried to assert that i had known and approved, hmmmmm. Why would I ever do that?

Anyway, after threats to involve the police, he handed over the LR funds, and then after an audit of our database I challenged him further regarding some discrepancies totaling around another $5000 which he said he had 'forgotten about'. This was forwarded to me.

Yet I was still insistent that he hurry up and transfer the AP funds to my control, this was met with excuse after excuse, and then finally, AP froze the withdrawals on the account, but still kept open the deposits, this was under their 'limited access' policy, and was regarding 'extra verification' from Chris which he was not providing. I had already verified my own account and Chris kept insisting that he had to give them my documents which I had already given them 'twice'. I had also called alertpay to ask if this was part of their transfer needs, to which they replied to me that under no circumstances would they EVER ask a user to supply the identification of anyone other than themselves. they also advised me not to give out my verification documents to other people, which i would never do anyway, especially not someone like Chris who had up till then proven himself to be a degenerate, lying internet fraudster.

So that is the sticking point with the alertpay issue, and there is actually nothing I can officially do with regards to getting any dialog open with alertpay if it has anything whatsoever to do with the T2 account. If I had seen this coming, I would have been on a plane before we launched and opened my own accounts, I live in Thailand, and it is impossible to verify any accounts to a Thai bank or address.

But I do call them regularly asking for advice and giving the scenario, as to know how to progress. But without the co-operation of Chris, I am left stranded. I contacted the UK police who said that it was not something that they could really do, because technically the accounts were not in my control, and that also Chris is only really responsible to those who made actual payments to his accounts. So I would have to take civil action against him to get any results, but as far as a criminal case is concerned, this needs to be as a result of a complaint made by someone who actually did a transaction, and who believes that there was fraud involved.

Now then.. how do we sort out this mess? Well, 16 hours ago I contacted Chris will a full and final demand that he start issuing refunds starting with the oldest first, and working forward. Obviously there will be some shortfall because of withdrawals and commissions etc... but it is a start and a good basis for a restart with or without AP in the future.

Anyway, the upshot is, that as usual Chris is non-responsive, and he actually told me a few days ago that he is bulletproof, and that he has done no wrong, and is calling my bluff regarding legal action. This could not be further from the truth. The facts are clear, he has done wrong and he has stolen, and he is lying and blocking progress.

One of his reasons for not wanting to surrender control, is that he wants people to file disputes, and get the entire account locked. This could be to cover something up, or it could be so that he can take advantage of the 30 day dispute rule and the 180 day suspension period after which all funds (some $160K) would be released to his bank account and I would be the one left holding the bag with all the out of pocket members.

I have just got off the phone with alertpay (again). This time their business accounts manager gave me 30 minutes of his time after I pleaded to be heard. I managed to tell them the entire story that I have just relayed here, and he has assured me that not a single cent will be handed to Chris, no matter how long he waits. Also, they will be willing to work with the UK police and anti-fraud squad if such an investigation arises, and the best part is. If I work in a support role with the members, they will dispense with the 30 day dispute rule. I will have to issue you all with a procedure to follow so that their resolution staff are able to identify the 'bulk case' and they will almost certainly issue a refund.

We will all need to work together on this issue, I do have some ideas for the recovery and i will make these public soon, but at this moment, please do not open a dispute with alertpay until we are 100% going down this road. I also will be asking the help of the UK members who funded by alertpay, to at least file a complaint to the police to bring this whole business to a speedy conclusion.

I must at this point insist to all the members that i have done nothing to aggravate this issue, and the entirety of this is at the hands of Chris Kayne. I will be issuing his full address details over the coming days to those members in the UK who are willing to help, if Chris does not see sense and do what is right. I have been happy to overlook prosecution for him on many occasions and unfortunately he has continued to call my bluff on the matter. That will be his undoing.... What can I do?

Regarding the support system. We will keep it offline for a couple of more days while we work on the jobs we are doing at the moment. Please do not worry, we will clear all pending tickets before support is reopened. We are still processing STP and LR payments at the moment after we fixed a bug in the STP script. These will be cleared tonight.

I will issue you all with an update in the next 24 hours when I know for definite exactly what course I need to take.

Please let this be the end of all the 'alertpay' and 'Chris' speculation and assertions that he has 'something on me', or I am hiding something.... that is ludicrous.

Regarding simplefreeweb.com. That is another bone of contention, after we found that the previous owner mashed up the Google adsense screenshots to misrepresent the income which was much lower than advertised, this is in dispute and we will get a refund for it. I also disputed unreported liabilities with the deal... the previous owner had been selling upgrades of 'unlimited reseller VPS' accounts with unlimited domains, bandwidth and diskspace for $19.00 FOR LIFE. They sold many accounts (of course you will at that price). Then they pocketed the money and we have to provide hundreds of accounts for life without getting a penny.... yeah right. To try to cover this up, the deleted the websites, But I still have the high traffic domains, and he is not having them back, so lets have some suggestions on what to put on there.. the domain has an alexa of 100K and has about 250 backlinks, so there should be a lot of organic traffic.

That's it for now.. I know it is not easy to smile, but please don't worry, i am working hard and thinking hard to get us back to what we should have been at by now.

If any one has the email list of their downline, can they please make sure they get a link to this update please, some of our newsletters still bounce.

Regards

Dave.

[laidback]

So our astoundingly brilliant business legend in his own mind, Superdave has not only chosen business partners that screwed him and the members around, he also got screwed on the Simplefreeweb deal that was being touted as such a moneymaker? And how many posts did he put up citing how incompetent the JBP admins were? Hmmmmm!

[baylee]

So our astoundingly brilliant business legend in his own mind, Superdave has not only chosen business partners that screwed him and the members around, he also got screwed on the Simplefreeweb deal that was being touted as such a moneymaker? And how many posts did he put up citing how incompetent the JBP admins were? Hmmmmm!

I take it that the Simplefreeweb deal is not one of the potential goldmines.


2... Acquisition of assets.


Also among the T2 team, we have many years experience in webmastering and search engine optimization (SEO). So we know exactly what to look for when it comes to spotting potential goldmines. There are literally hundreds of websites for sale that have many good positive things going for them. Such as, established domain name, existing member base, good Google page rank, existing established income. However, at the same time, they are poorly optimized and run at a fraction of their potential. Therefore these sites can be generally picked up very cheaply indeed.



Not only do they add a platform for free advertising of the T2 program, but they have so much scope for improvement. We will be using only the best SEO experts in the field (I am talking first page on Google for the keyword SEO!). This would dramatically build the income from the sites. Also all of the revenue from the website family, goes out for compounding for at least 60 days before being fed into the system cash.

[laidback]

I notice that the management team didn't bother to post the update at MMG. Also NO posts of any kind on TG for the last 4 days. The significance is that program admins and mods tend to avoid outside forums when things go sour.

[baylee]

Here is the scammer trying to lay down a new smoke screen to cover their tracks! There is only so much Bulls*** people can be expected to swallow!

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Posted Today, 02:09 AM

View Postsimplynicc, on 10 January 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:
Jordan D Barker???.. Jaydabee??? What are the odds?


This post got me to checking it out, and the name rung a bell. I have seen a few post on MMG by him as a banned member, but I don't really know too much about him as I was relatively new to MMG.

I just opened the full skype chat log up and did a search for 'jaydeebee' and a piece of text popped up as follows.

[03/11/2011 18:27:45] David: yes I suppose
[03/11/2011 18:28:15] David: but in JBP the banners was just a single link
[03/11/2011 18:28:29] David: I am sure... you still have an account there, can you look?
[03/11/2011 18:29:24] Chris Kayne: nope, 2 links
<a href="http://www.justbeenpaid.com/?r=jaydeebee">

CHECK OUT THE LIKK!!

Then I did a Google search on 'jaydeebee scammer' and unearthed this little nugget.


#4
Old 06-05-2011, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: FastTrackCycler - FastTrackCycler.com
Date: 6/5/2011 11:10:27 AM
Reference Number: 4C9C4-A7F73-xxxxx
Transaction type: Transfer Received From
Name/Email: Jord Bark
ap@fasttrackcycler.com
Current Status: Completed
Amount: $147.00 USD
Purchase Type: Service
Shipping Details: Not Provided
Details (optional): Congratulations
Don't forget to refer to triple your profits!

My fourth payment in 1.5 days.

jaydeebee = JDB = Jord bark = Jordan D Barker.

I rest my case. I do recall him saying that he has admined a couple of bux sites before, obviously some that he was pimping in the past as well as FastTrackCycler.com which may well have been his scam site too.

If it is not him, then he is definitely working with him.

I also lifted the email mantezas5@yahoo.com from another Google result that was naming and shaming scammers and got this...

Username: jaydeebee
Email: owner.movieproject@hotmail.co.uk
PayPal Account: mantezas5@yahoo.com
PayPal Name: Mantas Sidagis
PayPal Phone: 07817235487
Date: 09/07/2009

and did a facebook search on it and turns out to be one Mantas Sidagis

http://www.facebook....s=1326244814269

I also ran a Google on the other email address and he did say at one time that he worked in movie production as a TV locations manager.. sort of fits with the email owner.movieproject@hotmail.co.uk

Found some other stuff and a lot of signings 'Jord', not a mention anywhere of a 'Chris' also here.

InterPals Penpals :: jaydeebee's Profile (http://www.interpals.net/jaydeebee)

He always told me he was 27, but has his age as 17 on here in 2008 making him aged 20.

So that's what i have at the moment. Probably more to come, but it really is boring looking for it all.

Link:

http://moneynetworkforum.com/index.php?/topic/30-t2-hq-jsstripler2com-ask-t2-questions-here-talk-about-t2/page__st__1720

[okosh]

That drama queen Lola needs to get back on the same page as Dave....


We get it FAITH, you want to know how T2 is going to move forward. Well Dave is going to take it one step at a time. So, please don't demand or expect him to come out an give you all the answers that you want at this very moment.

There has been a lot absorbed in one day. Give him time to sort it out and come back with a proper plan and solution. He has already asked this of you.

Thanks
Lolalola

But, but, but, but didn't Dave already say days ago that he was 80% of the way there to sorting out a new begining??....

Oh the lies...The drama....And the bullsheet from these 2....

[okosh]

It looks like one of T2's top pimps, Faith Sloan, has abandoned ship.

She been shown the door...Booted from the forum...

[Danni]

Yes she's been given 'a holiday' from the scam forum but is now posting on her own blog. The BS and web of lies being weaved every second over at MNF is getting too tangled to follow. I have to take back what I said earlier about Dave being merely the front man of this fraud. In light of his postings today it looks like this was a very elaborate, carefully thought out scam designed by David Bell and Lolalola themselves.

[Danni]

LOL he's making it up as he goes:




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Well... there has been yet another twist in the tale.

I have just had another email from Chris who I think is now fully conscious of his situation and has told me that he is now going to do whatever he can to get the transfer of the full account into my control. I have heard this before, but this time i think he sounds quite urgent about it.

He says that he spoke to AP last night and they are very happy to do the transfer, and lift all account restrictions.

I am now going to send in all my documents in a support ticket to AP and email the ticket number to Chris who will phone AP asap and confirm the support ticket number to collect and verify the documents and they will proceed with the full transfer and the lifting of the restrictions.

Sp alls well that ends well, and Chris gets away by the skin of his teeth.

But lets save any celebrations until i have the full control. then we can tak restart, because all these problems have created a mess in the system, and all still needs to be made good before we move forward.

thanks for bearing with me.





What next from this lying scammer (Dave/Peakr8)?

[okosh]

The latest pack of lies from admin



Yes I plan to do that next anyway. His time is now up. His goose is cooked and we will move forward, and let him clean his own mess up.

I will be issuing my testimony and that can be used as evidence.

I have a lot to do now. I need to put together the recovery plan in full, so that everyone will know exactly what is happening with the program. I can bounce back from this mess, and we will be strong again, even if we shrink in membership, we still have a solid foundation to work off.

This time there will be no Chris to ruin things and I will have ultimate control.

I have other things to think about also, I still need to get the slide rule out concerning those who are all running for the door. I would much rather just refund them and close their accounts rather than them doing daily withdrawals.

But anyway. We will need to close the member area for a couple of weeks while we adjust all the accounts and set up the coding to be bug free. As well as get some extra income streams in place ready for the restart, as next time, members will have to earn their 2% daily.

On an end note. When I did my audit last week. I noticed that not a single cent came from member DP sales money to pay out other members. Every bit of money that has covered all the withdrawals so far has been generated from upgrade fees. that makes us officially NOT A PONZI. Not even by the slightest element, and that is the way i want it to stay, which is why we are overhauling the whole subscription system, and to simplify things, we are making it mandatory to pay a subscription, based on the amount of DPs you have in your account. Everyone will be subscribed from the same day to also keep things simple. This makes it a lot easier for the coding, and everyone knows where they stand. basically everyone need to have their set amount in their main account on the 1st of every month.

We will set the rates so that people are still making good profits from their DPs but will put a much larger amount of money in the system, and create yet a bigger 'ponzi buffer'.

Again this is all part of the bigger plan and all will be revealed as soon as i have got it established that we are able to get every member a full refund.

[littleroundman]

What do you think ??

Is he setting up for round 4/5/ whatever number he's up to

or

is he trying to salvage what's left of his choke, guffaw, chortle "reputation" snicker, snicker

or

Is he going to attemp............err.........start another HYIP PONZI GAME ???

[Danni]

LOL, Russo the scammer conducting his own 'investigation':




krusso

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Posted Today, 09:03 AM

I have been waiting patiently during this time of uncertainty. Not easy
to do for someone who has a substantial amount of AP funds and even more
STP funds tied up in the program. Since there are always two sides to
every story, I did contact Chris at the address he uses for his AlertPay
account which is chrisdar65@gmail.com On January 5 I sent this message.....

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Greetings Chris,

I'm not sure what is going on between you and David Bell. However, before
I initiate my own litigation, I would like to hear your side of the story.
Please reply at your earliest convenience.

Thanks,

Ken

12/25/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $700.00 USD $0.00 USD - $700.00 USD
12/19/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $140.00 USD $0.00 USD - $140.00 USD
12/18/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $190.00 USD $0.00 USD - $190.00 USD
12/17/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $215.00 USD $0.00 USD - $215.00 USD
12/16/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $400.00 USD $0.00 USD - $400.00 USD
12/16/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $300.00 USD $0.00 USD - $300.00 USD
12/16/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $500.00 USD $0.00 USD - $500.00 USD
12/14/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $500.00 USD $0.00 USD - $500.00 USD
12/14/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $500.00 USD $0.00 USD - $500.00 USD
11/22/2011 Payment To chrisdar65@gmail.com Completed $500.00 USD $0.00 USD - $500.00 USD
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He replied quickly the same day. Here is his response.....

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Hi Ken,

He's caused me a lot of hassle, admittedly, I caused him a bit of hassle with code but
I'm the one that's ended up out of pocket and had to scramble to get my job back that
I had given up to work on T2. We were supposed to be partners but me sacked me of
the position (questionable) he then lied about telling the police, which when he did I went
to the police and opened my own case and found he'd lied about that.

He thinks he's untouchable, but he's in the UK and running a ponzi (essentially) so the case
he's opening against me will backfire, not only will I walk away free (I've done nothing, all
money withdrawn was sent to him via bank transfer (which he spent on flights and hotels
and stuff) and all account histories were sent to him (and accounts transferred to his name)
so he'll probably get locked up.

Let me assure you, your money is safe. There is a restriction on the AP account anyway,
and there's over 100k in there and any disputes submitted I am paying out. Stupid idea
by Dave, because that means people who have withdrawn will also get money they sent
in back, but whatever, it's his business. The accounts in my name which could mess me
up further... again... Dave doesn't think about others.

If you would like to know more, I'm happy to answer your questions.

Chris
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My response....

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Hi Chris,

Thanks for responding.

Are you suggesting that I file a dispute to obtain the funds that I sent to your account?

Any additional information you can provide will be helpful.

Ken
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His response.....

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Hi,

Yes, I'll honour them straight away. Not my money, and Dave owns the business. It's a
crap decision he's made but I can't go against it so file disputes and your money will be
returned (all of it) then use a different processor (won't affect your T2 account. except
you'll have double money invested without spending double the money... Dave hasn't
thought about that one!)

Half midnight here, I'll send another email to you tomorrow when I've had some sleep..
won't be til later in the day as I work long hours but I'll explain in more detail and show
you some of the things Dave has said/done just to get my side over to you as I'm sure
he's been telling you all sorts of tales about me. He thinks I'm using a false name, false
address, false pictures, false emails, false accounts and embezzling thousands of dollars
and accessing the account from allover the world using proxies and a load of other stuff
too... some of the stuff he suggests is truly crazy. Everything he's asked for I've given him,
I've been fully verified by all processors and I sent him stuff from my bank so he could
see my details and sent my ID and the processors have sent him the full account histories
proving I haven't been taking funds.

Anyway I'll get that email over to you tomorrow, and will honour all the chargebacks
tomorrow too.

Take care Ken,
Chris
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Chris did not send another message as he indicated he would do. On Monday I sent this
message.....

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Hi Chris,

Did I miss a message from you?

Any news?

Ken
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He did not respond. Yesterday (Tuesday) morning is sent this message to him.....

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Hi Chris,

Here is an excerpt from David's latest update....

I am in touch with Chris regarding AP issue at the moment, and i am
waiting to hear back from him in the next 24 hours before i choose the
correct course of action to take. I currently have a great plan to give
us full revival, but it relies on Chris, but he does have a very heavily
vested interest in working to help us. Trust me on that.

I have to make this announcement.. This is very very very important.

IF YOU HAVE STARTED AN AP DISPUTE... CANCEL IT!!! THIS IS
VERY IMPORTANT.... IF YOU HAVE MADE A CLAIM OR STARTED
A DISPUTE YOU MUST CANCEL IT. THIS IS FOR THE GOOD OF
THE PROGRAM!!!

This is the only thing that will prevent us from being able to issue refunds
to all members from 60 to 90 days. If AP puts a full lock on the account then
that is it... Chris can't do the refunds if he wanted to. We will need to use the
courts to get it instead and that will also end the claims, so you won't win anyway.

Can you confirm this and/or provide any additional information?

Thanks,

Ken
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Again, no response from him. I then this message yesterday afternoon....

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Hi Chris,

David's latest update paints a very disturbing picture. If it is true I would
suggest that you have committed a serious crime and that you should cooperate
fully at this time.

I await your response.

Ken
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No response. I sent this final message yesterday evening.....

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Chris,

Your lack of a response would indicate that you are, in fact, guilty of internet
theft. Do you understand the consequences? One of our members posted
these comments in the forum.....

Chris,

If you ever slip in here through an alias or have contacts that send you messages.
It is over. You will never get any more money from the AP account no matter what
you try. Right now you may think you are hurting Dave but you are primarily hurting
innocent members. We don't care what happened or what your intentions were. Do
the right thing now. The clock is ticking. We will get our funds back through refund
or through dispute. You can prolong this and make your life miserable or do the
right thing and get it over with once and for all. Authorize AP to refund our money
and your life will get much better.

Excellent advice!!

Ken
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One of the comments by Chris is particularly interesting. He said.....

"your money will be returned (all of it) then use a different processor (won't affect
your T2 account. except you'll have double money invested without spending double the
money... Dave hasn't thought about that one!)"

Essentially he is suggesting a way that I (or anyone else) could take advantage of the
situation and cheat the system. Such a suggestion points to the mentality that has led
to the situation that currently exists and which, hopefully, will be resolved very soon.

Thanks to David for hanging in there. Much appreciated!

[okosh]

Chris,

Your lack of a response would indicate that you are, in fact, guilty of internet
theft. Do you understand the consequences?

LOL....The pot calling the kettle black!!!!

[littleroundman]

Chris,

Your lack of a response would indicate that you are, in fact, guilty of internet
theft. Do you understand the consequences?

Why yes, yes we do.

Unfortunately, it appears you don't.

So, which one of the lads is gonna consult a REAL lawyer and contact a REAL law enforcement agency and institute REAL legal action ???

Time to retire gracefully, children.

This has now become too ridiculous even for the HYIP ponzi world.

[littleroundman]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/jss-1.jpg

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4623287&postcount=141 (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4623287&postcount=141)

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4623315&postcount=142 (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4623315&postcount=142)

[Whip]

LOL, Russo the scammer conducting his own 'investigation':

Litigation? Police? LOL. What tools.

[laidback]

Litigation? Police? LOL. What tools. OK, so whose $3945 did Russo lose in this turkey???

[Whip]

OK, so whose $3945 did Russo lose in this turkey???

Even he doesn't know or care....he just wants his ref commission.

[laidback]

Even he doesn't know or care....he just wants his ref commission.
You sure hit the nail on the thumb on that one...!

[laidback]

Need to order more cheese, here is the latest load of whine:
What trouble have the members been in? I am sorry, but I don't quite get that.

As far as i am aware, there may have been some anxiety, but the members have been in no way through any trouble. Not compared to all the trouble I have been through.

I don't think anyone has the slightest clue what I have had to do to fix this for the members. maybe 2 days in my seat will open everyone's eyes at just how cushy their existence is, having someone work their ass off so that they can sit and watch TV and make a fantastic return.

Sheesh!

[littleroundman]

Need to order more cheese, here is the latest load of whine:

Q: How did Daves' friends waiting to meet him at Bangkok airport know which plane he was on ???

A: it was the one where the whining continued for 3 hours after the planes' engines were shut down

[okosh]

OK, so whose $3945 did Russo lose in this turkey???

It's like eating a can of baked beans....Does it really matter which bean it was that made you fart?????? :onloo:

[okosh]

Of course Stroz wants to keep pimping this garbage.....



Question : Is there a way to provide a temporary backoffice where we can still build a downline base?
Just to keep the promotion going without it being interrupted.

[laidback]

Of course Stroz wants to keep pimping this garbage.....

Question : Is there a way to provide a temporary backoffice where we can still build a downline base?
Just to keep the promotion going without it being interrupted.
Yup, that's what he does....!

[Danni]

Access to the T2 Scam Headquarters has now been limited by Whiny Dave to his cheerleaders only. We all know what's coming next.




foradmin

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Posted Today, 05:40 AM

Just having a scan over on MMG see who is turning against us and promoting T2 as a scam.

I notice they are very selective of what they copy from here and paste on there to distort the facts.

People need to read the forum rules again.

30. All content posted on Moneynetworkforum.com is owned outright by jsstripler2.com and its owners. No content may be posted on any other website without permission. This includes all text and images.

I have changed the settings so that guest members can no longer view the T2 boards. So this is now exclusively for full members.

[littleroundman]

Access to the T2 Scam Headquarters has now been limited by Whiny Dave to his cheerleaders only. We all know what's coming next.

Talk about sticking to the script.

This guy hasn't got an original thought in his head.

[baylee]

Talk about sticking to the script.

This guy hasn't got an original thought in his head.

Isn't this one on page 12 of The Official Scammers Handbook Revision 7

[baylee]

Access to the T2 Scam Headquarters has now been limited by Whiny Dave to his cheerleaders only. We all know what's coming next.

I went to Faith Sloan's blog to read what she thought about the admin and his head moderator. From her blog,

Is JSSTRipler2 – T2 A Big Time Scam. Who is Chris Any way?
Filed Under: entrepreneurial, Enttrepreurial, Faith Sloan, JSSTripler2, scam, T2, Tripler2 by: Faith Sloan

Well, LoLaLoLa and ‘Dave’ of JSSTripler2 have taken away my privileges to post.



They just didn’t appreciate my asking the most basic of questions.

Here is a copy of this conversation. YOU BE THE JUDGE of how borderline insane this is and how that Dave character

is either EXTREMELY INCOMPETENT or whether he is just a little SCAMMER boy. I am likely to believe he is a hybrid mix

of both.

Link:

Faith Sloan Gray Matter: Making Cash, Advertising/Marketing, and Ramblings - faithsloan.com (http://faithsloan.com/)

[littleroundman]

Here is what I received from DollarMonster today. Icycled 16 $50 positions today and received $1600.00 CASH into my Alertpay account. http://faithsloan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif http://faithsloan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif I am laughing laughing laughing at the whiners. Guess how many referrals I have? THREE. I didn’t recruit. They asked for my link just to get in. And no I don’t make loads of commissions. You only make $1 per transaction per direct referral. And everytime DM sends me $1, AP takes 68 cents and leaves me with 32 cents. So referral commissions aren’t my reason for being in DM. I’m laughing.

Strange how officialdom works, isn't it.

How long do you think it would take for the IRS/Homeland Security et al to jump down the throat of a construction worker/sales assistant/short order cook if he/she boasted in a public forum that he/she was being given an illegally obtained $1600 a day through an offshore anonymous payment processor ???

Things that make ya go WTF ????

[EagleOne]

They need to make a board game out of T2 based on Clue. We could have Faith Sloan playing Miss Scarlet, Ken Russo playing Mr. Green, Chris playing Professor Plum, lolalola playing Mrs. Peacock, Dave playing Col Mustard, and Yippee playing Mrs. Whilte.

This is becoming funnier than the Keystone Cops and Duck Soup all rolled into one giant movie. I think I will make it a chapter in my new book just for the entertainment value alone.

[littleroundman]

This is becoming funnier than the Keystone Cops and Duck Soup all rolled into one giant movie.

Be careful, you're dating yourself there.

Personally, I think the ongoing saga is more suitable for a stage production in the category of "high farce"


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[okosh]

This is dead....Only hope for T2 is a reset and start fresh with round 2....

For a laugh check out this post by Dave at TG.....
Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum - View Single Post - JSSTripler2 - Jsstripler2.com (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4609286&postcount=124)

[laidback]

Maybe we need a thread for mmgcjm aka T2cjm aka Chris Morell. He is a bit out of control picking fights and then suspending members when they call him on it. He has introduced many many scams at MMG ( including T2) and then objects that they are called scams even though they are in the closed folder and likely people lost money in them!!!

[littleroundman]

WHAT'S THIS ??

PEOPLE TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW HYIP PONZI REALLY WORK ??

THEY'LL BE BANNED FROM THE HYIP PONZI PLAYERS CLUB IF THEY DON'T WATCH OUT:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/jss2.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/jss-2.jpg

[EagleOne]

Amazing how quickly Dave/peakr8 found his voice at MMG after ElmerFudd, Baylee, and Laidback were given a holiday from posting. I'm sure it was just a coincidence. :RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

I especially loved his coment at how the 3 of them "ganged up" in the thread. Hmmm 3 against 50......yeah Dave you're right. They did out number you and gang up on you. It always amazes me how when 3-5 people in a thread start exposing a Ponzi they are "ganging up" but all the promoters, shills and players are not "ganging up" on the "Trolls/naysayers." Talk about hypocrisy. I guess they only want one "negative" person per thread or they consider themselves out-numbered. Come to think of it, even if there was only one of us in a thread, they are out-numbered. Hmmm explains why they think 3 or more of us in a thread is "ganging up."

[okosh]

Here is the latest update.....


Dear T2 Members.

In light of the recent events regarding the Alertpay withdrawals freeze, I am issueing this full update on all events and the solutions.

Firstly I would like to stress that we are NOT in a weak position, and contrary to speculation around some of the bizop forums, we are actually in a transitional stage towards a very strong and bright future for the program and all its subsequent members.

I feel it right to say that at times like these, members tend to panic and throw in the towel, yet I have been astonished to note that the huge majority of the T2 members have remain totally resilient in the face of conflict. This has just brought us closer together, and as long as we all stand firm, we are immovable.

There are forces that have tried, but we have bounced back stronger. This is unlike any other program I have been involved with. I feel like the luckiest admin in the industry to have such a loyal army in the ranks.

So anyway... what is happening at the moment?

Well... There is lots happening at the moment. I will take you through it step by step and you can catch up with a more detailed discussion on the T2 forum at http://moneynetworkf.../page__st__1940


ALERTPAY ISSUES.

Well, at the moment, Chris is working with us to put this situation back on track, and we are now just waiting for AP to go through the support tickets concerning any T2 issues, and then finish off verifying all the documents, then they will ultimately hand all control of the alertpay account to myself.

However, this month of no withdrawals has caused us a few problems in the backend logistics. Which i will explain here.

The reason almost every program dies, is that they are not correctly balanced, it is extremely difficult for anyone to set up a system to be totally reliable, and that is why we need external income streams to not only keep us out of the ‘ponzi league’ but also to add strength to our system.

To make this work, at the start you rely on a fine balance of 4 things...

1. Members withdrawing, (withdrawn money shows non-members we are paying well, and also withdraws keeps compounding down).

2. Access to all the funds so that it can be put to work to cover liabilities.

3. A portion of members compounding, because that keeps funds in our possession and at work.

4. New members joining and funding keeping the balance of funds in our favor.

This needs to be meticulously synchronized for any program to work, it is very difficult and that is why it took so long to write the algorithm to run the infinity plan...

If this cannot be synchronized then it needs to be shifted a little here and there, and that is how I set up the whole infinity plan, so that this could happen.

Now if you take it too far out of synchronicity, then you get pulled into restart territory to put the thing back into balance.

However, what has happened with having the withdraws locked.

1. 3/4 members were not able to withdraw causing panic, and no more payment proofs, and starting certain people to trash the program till they can get it to tank. (see MMG).

2. Virtually NO access to funds for building income streams.

3. almost all members now in 100% compounding mode, especially all the huge accounts and all commissions being also compounded into DPs digging us into a hole very fast with no real income to offset it.

4. very few new members joining and funding accounts which also affects the balancing act badly.

When you take these 4 factors into consideration you can see how what some people would see as a minor temporary inconvenience, can actually be very destructive. As a matter of fact, if we just continued as we were once I get full control of all the alertpay assets, then I would not feel confident we can do this. The entire system is out of kilter and we need to urgently do something to not only put us back on the rails, but to also take an advantage of a bad situation and put us on top at the same time.

So I am ordering a full reset and a full overhaul of the entire process.
First I will describe how the ‘reset’ will work and why we need to do it rather than a ‘restart’ and how all members will benefit from it.

The reason why we cannot perform a restart in this event. Is because all restart features are only there as interventions when there is a shift towards a stall event, which we could implement to pull it back in our favor.

However, the current situation is a lot more unstable as explained above. Even though we will still have full funds minus a few withdrawals, and a growing active member base, we would effectively need to perform as a ponzi scheme for quite a long time until we could stabilize (if ever). This is not something I want for the members or the program.
Which is why I have decided to plug for a full reset. This basically turns back the clock to day one. This is better than any restart feature because not a single member will lose anything apart from a bit of time.
DREAM POSITIONS RESET.

What it involves is the cancellation of all DPs that were bought from compounding and commissions. Taking all the money each member ‘paid out of pocket’ and returning it to their main account, and resetting all the financials pages back to the first day of opening.

Then any funds that have been withdrawn will be deducted from the member’s account. In the case of large recruiters with high commissions, low spends and high withdrawals this may see their account go negative, this should corrected in the next phase.

Once this is all done, all money (including upgrade fees) will be converted to DPs at the standard $10 per DP rate. With the respective commissions being applied to the sponsor accounts. Once all this is completed, then all the commissions will be converted into DPs also and added to the member’s DP balance.

All DPs added will follow the same preserved pattern as the first purchases which will decide the order of the matrices. Although all the compounding DPs will be gone, which will give your DPs different numbers.

All new DPs will start from Day1 again and will run for 75 days paying out 2% a day as before.

So with this system, members will lose nothing, in fact upgraded members will gain more because their upgrade fees are returned and converted to DPs. You are not losing your compounded DPs as we are giving you the full 75 days back.

NEW SUBSCRIPTIONS SYSTEM.
Also we have decided to move to a completely new upgrade subscription system. This is to be changed to a mandatory across-the-board subscription fee based on a sliding scale of charges.

How does this affect every member?...
Well, each member will now have to pay a membership fee to be a part of the T2 club… don’t worry, we will be making sure that you are still making great profits, I always said we would be very fair in everything we did, and I am sticking to that.

The fee you will pay, will be monthly and in advance to be debited from your main account balance on the 1st (first) day of every month.

What you need to pay will depend on how many DPs you have in your account on the 1st (first) day of the month, and the amount will start at $0.00 per month and rise depending on the amount of DPs you have.
Here is the charging scale.


DPs...............Fee
0 – 3.............$0.00
4 – 10............$5.00
11 – 20...........$10.00
21 – 40...........$15.00
41 – 70...........$20.00
71 – 100..........$30.00
101 – 150.........$40.00
151 – 200.........$50.00
201 – 300.........$60.00
301 – 400.........$70.00
401 – 500.........$80.00
500 – 1000........$100.00
1000 – 2000.......$200.00
2000 – 2400.......$250.00

Some of these charges may seem horrendously high, but really they are not. For Example:

You have 4 DPs… we are paying you $24 a month, you are paying us $5 = $19 profit.
You have 45 DPs… we are paying you $270 a month, you are paying $20 = $250 profit.
You have 410 DPs we are paying you $2460 a month, you are paying us $80 = $2380 profit.
You have 1200 DPs we are paying you $7200 a month, you are paying us $200 = $7000 profit.

This new form of membership fee gives everyone with more than 3 DPs, the free matrix for every 4 DPs that expire. All the extra revenue will ensure that we remain very strong, and will aid a fast recovery for the program and members, it also allows commissions to be earned by all members over 3 DPs.

It may not be the most popular implementation, but it is fair that the high earners should pay more for the privilege of earning the big money. At present, with the current amount of active members holding DPs, this will give us a minimum of $85,000 a month which is totally free of liabilities. Which is an incredible leap from the current $13,600 without really hurting the members.

Every member will be debited on the 1st (first) day of every month starting 1st Feb 2012, and the first month’s fees will be taken from the main balances before converting to DPs. So now everyone will know when they need to have funds in place.


WITHDRAWALS.

We will be moving to a new system of withdrawals when we reopen.

All currently pending withdrawals will be returned to member main accounts and converted to DPs along with the rest of their funds (past subscription fees and all deposits and new commissions).

There will be a withdrawal fee charged per withdrawal based on the following scale.

Withdraw Request ($).......Fee

20 – 50..............$1
51 – 100.............$2
101 – 200............$3
201 – 350............$5
351 – 500............$7
Above 500............$10

There will be a limit of one withdrawal per 24 hours for each member.

Again, this measure will ensure that we make more income that is free of liabilities.


NOW ALL THE GOOD BITS.


NEW DOMAIN NAME.

We have decided to change the name of the website after no longer wishing to be confused with Justbeenpaid.com. Also to satisfy overwhelming popular demand from the members. The new domain name will be

T2MoneyKlub.com

For the first few weeks we will use the original domain to redirect to the new domain, and then when I am ready, I will put some relevant bizop style content on the site, as the domain is currently ranked 9,850 in Alexa giving it huge value to any SEO minded website investor, not to mention the hundreds of backlinks sending organic traffic to the domain. I will also insist that after the sale, the new owner keeps a link to us, so that anyone looking for the T2 program will be able to find their way to it. I will find a way so the ref links will still work.


NEW WEBSITE LAYOUT.

To add to the new domain name, we will be redesigning the public pages of the T2 main website. It will be taking on more of a ‘clubby’ look, because that is exactly how the members want it portrayed.. as an exclusive club. More of a co-operative than a bizop, and a lot more inviting to prospective new members. The content will also receive attention to reflect the new program outlook (explained below).


MEMBER INVOLVEMENT.

We are to be adding some dynamic code that will allow us to track ‘member tasks’.

We will be asking members to perform some ‘tasks’ every day or so, to qualify for their 2% daily. This makes us more of a member involved program, more like a co-operative than an out and out passive earning program.

We have financial commitments to meet, and I don’t think any member will mind helping us to achieve our (and their) goals.

We will be setting up a quantity of forums and blogs, and each one will need to receive page views from the members, also there will be blog commenting tasks and forum posting tasks.

This is to build up a high alexa rank with a massive amount of original content and high pageview count which sets a great foundation for SEO and advertising revenue etc. We will give attention to each website for approx one month for forums and 2 weeks per blog.

We will be looking to flip (resell) one forum every 3 days and 3 blogs per day. This will bring in a tremendous amount of income every month, yet another huge injection to add to the membership fees and the withdrawal fees.
All these actions combined assures that we NEVER fall into the category of a ‘ponzi scheme’.

The burden of tasks will be kept light for our members and may equate to 3 per day with each one only taking a couple of minutes to perform. These tasks may be laid over and done in a batch or spread out daily. Full details will be released soon once we have an idea of how the coding can be done to accommodate flexibility.


SITE CLOSURE.

The main site will remain partially closed for the next 2 weeks, no more subscriptions will be taken and no account funding or DP purchases will be available in this time.

We will definitely be open for business again by the 1st Feb. The first 2% payments will happen 24 hours later.


SUPPORT CLOSURE.

We will finish off every ticket, then we will be moving to a new knowledgebase system that will give anyone with support issues, the chance to find the answer they are looking for immediately, we will also be shifting to a different support software. This will work a lot better than the current model, and we will section it out into several departments which will be monitored by various volunteer members.


T2 FORUM.

We will be selling the T2 forum MoneyNetworkForum (http://www.moneynetworkforum.com) (MNF).
This is a good asset that will bring in a decent return for its 1 month lifetime on that domain. We will then open a new one with a little of the original content from MNF. The new forum will use the domain name ‘MoneyKlub.com’. All $T2s will be transferred to the new domain as well as the whole existing categories structure.

We will probably give it a similar design feel as the main site.


ALERTPAY SITUATION.

We have made tremendous progress over the past few days, and the account plus all funds should be in my full possession with the next few days, it will certainly be with me by the time we open up for business on the 1st Feb.
Anyone who has put in a claim for a refund must PLEASE cancel it, because the only delay we have now is that AP are going through the support tickets in connection with the T2 program. Every time a new dispute is started, it adds time to the delay, and the longer the delay the more disputes that will start… This could leave us in suspended animation while people just want to get back to earning again.

Please keep coming to the T2 thread at http://moneynetworkf...1960#entry16302

We need all our member’s support during this time and the updates are flying every hour, so you will constantly be in the know. You also have the chance to view your own concerns and opinions. Members, moderators and admin are happy to help you with anything you don’t understand.

We have currently locked out everyone who is not a ‘full member’ That means anyone who does not have any money in the T2 program. If you already have money in the main T2 program and are showing as a ‘guest member’ then you can request an upgrade to ‘full member’ here.

http://moneynetworkf...odule=messaging
Please remember to include both your main T2 username and email address.


DOUBLE UPDATES.

Members may get this email twice, which is because I will sign up to a major white list email client, so that I can make sure that this update reaches everyone.

Thank you for all your support and patience during this time.

Onwards and Upwards.

Dave.
T2 Staff.

[okosh]

I find this bit most interesting.....


We will be setting up a quantity of forums and blogs, and each one will need to receive page views from the members, also there will be blog commenting tasks and forum posting tasks.

This is to build up a high alexa rank with a massive amount of original content and high pageview count which sets a great foundation for SEO and advertising revenue etc. We will give attention to each website for approx one month for forums and 2 weeks per blog.

We will be looking to flip (resell) one forum every 3 days and 3 blogs per day. This will bring in a tremendous amount of income every month, yet another huge injection to add to the membership fees and the withdrawal fees

So the idea is to start a new forum....Then have the 8000'ish T2 members go there as a group and post daily for a while....This makes the forum look busy(active)....They add links, cause page views etc....
Then they gonna offer the forum 4 sale.....

Some poor shmuck gonna buy what he thinks is a forum full of happy members only to find that a few days later they all leave and move onto the next forum created by Dave....

Not illegal to do this but to people with morals this has to be seen as scamming doesn't it????.....
Isn't this kinda like "pump and dump" scam??

[littleroundman]

SITE CLOSURE.

The main site will remain partially closed for the next 2 weeks, no more subscriptions will be taken and no account funding or DP purchases will be available in this time.

We will definitely be open for business again by the 1st Feb. The first 2% payments will happen 24 hours later.

SUPPORT CLOSURE.

We will finish off every ticket, then we will be moving to a new knowledgebase system that will give anyone with support issues, the chance to find the answer they are looking for immediately, we will also be shifting to a different support software. This will work a lot better than the current model, and we will section it out into several departments which will be monitored by various volunteer members.

T2 FORUM.

We will be selling the T2 forum MoneyNetworkForum (http://www.moneynetworkforum.com/) (MNF).
This is a good asset that will bring in a decent return for its 1 month lifetime on that domain. We will then open a new one with a little of the original content from MNF. The new forum will use the domain name ‘MoneyKlub.com’. All $T2s will be transferred to the new domain as well as the whole existing categories structure.

Hmmnn,

re opening February 1st

Today is January 15th

Admin could sure log up a whole heap of Frequent Flier points in 16 days, couldn't he ???

The members must be feeling like jam jar lids at the minute.

Screwed.

[laidback]

Couple of comments on the update:
Firstly on the subscription restructure; So the smaller members (3 0r less dp) will not be allowed in their forum because they are not "upgraded"? Or will it now be any invested member?
WRT the new subscription fee scale; the members at or around the break points get screwed by $7.50, not to mention the "profit" as outlined appears to be mathematically incorrect, in Daves favor:
Example if you buy 3"DP" you pay $30 and at the end of 75 days (2 1/2 months) you receive $45, or $15 "profit" BUT if you buy 4"DP" you pay out $40 and at the end of 75 days collect $60, or $20 "profit" But now you've also paid $5 per month "subscription" times 2 1/2 months for a total fee of $12.50. This subtracted from your $20 leaves you with $7.50, or $7.50 LESS than the guy that bought 3!!! Is this an error or intended on Daves part? Like it says, you decide.

[Whip]

Here is the latest update.....

It was nice of him to spell out exactly why this is a ponzi.

[laidback]

Hmmnn,

re opening February 1st

Today is January 15th

Admin could sure log up a whole heap of Frequent Flier points in 16 days, couldn't he ???

The members must be feeling like jam jar lids at the minute.

Screwed.

Or maybe akin to that Nor'Easter delicacy... Scrod...

[laidback]

I find this bit most interesting.....



So the idea is to start a new forum....Then have the 8000'ish T2 members go there as a group and post daily for a while....This makes the forum look busy(active)....They add links, cause page views etc....
Then they gonna offer the forum 4 sale.....

Some poor shmuck gonna buy what he thinks is a forum full of happy members only to find that a few days later they all leave and move onto the next forum created by Dave....

Not illegal to do this but to people with morals this has to be seen as scamming doesn't it????.....
Isn't this kinda like "pump and dump" scam??
So it appears that the members are going to be required to help defraud potential website buyers, which in the stock market is considered pump and dump and is in fact illegal. Hopefully any potential customers will do a survey and discover the artificially inflated numbers, or have an independent party appraise the site. With the complaint that Dave had about the misrepresentation that he was victim of when purchasing simplefreeweb, isn't it a bit unconscionable to do similarly to others?

[baylee]

Patrick Pretty's latest!

T2′s ‘Dave’ Suggests Police Stood ‘Idly By’ As Trouble Engulfed His ‘Program’ That Advertises Daily Return Of 2 Percent; MoneyMakerGroup Suspends T2 Naysayers After Poster Claims Mod Pitched Dozens Of ‘Programs’ Now In Scams Folder

By PatrickPretty.com on Jan 15th, 2012

Link:

PatrickPretty.com: Ponzi Schemes. Securities fraud. HYIP Schemes. Pyramid Schemes. Investment Fraud. Internet Crime. (http://www.patrickpretty.com/)

[EagleOne]

Funny how Dave/peakr8 found his voice when the trio received a "Holiday" from posting, and how quickly he seems to have gone back in the closet once the trio's "Holiday" was over. Hmmm, makes you wonder what he is afraid of doesn't it.

[okosh]

Funny how Dave/peakr8 found his voice when the trio received a "Holiday" from posting, and how quickly he seems to have gone back in the closet once the trio's "Holiday" was over. Hmmm, makes you wonder what he is afraid of doesn't it.

Dave is too busy to post....He's off starting up a heap of forums for his pump and dump scam......

[littleroundman]

Dave is too busy to post....He's off starting up a heap of forums for his pump and dump scam......

Hmmn,

pump and dump

makes one wonder if he's stepping up in the world or stepping down.

One thing's for sure, the way JSS Tripler has collapsed and his histrionics over the past weeks isn't gonna result in him bringing a lot of followers into his new scam.

Desperadoes only allowed.

[okosh]

LRM you posted that in the wrong thread....You should move it to the JBP thread....
http://www.realscam.com/f8/justbeenpaid-810/

[littleroundman]

Thanks for that, fixed it.

[baylee]

Dave is too busy to post....He's off starting up a heap of forums for his pump and dump scam......

Pump and Dump is correct!

[okosh]

Pump and Dump is correct!

Well Dave now included this part....


Just to make it clear to everyone... I do not intend to scam anyone, and every blog and forum or any website we sell, will be sold on the understanding that (in the case of forums) the membership is a 'rent-a-mob' and that the site they would be bidding on is that of something that would normally take 1 to 2 years of any owner's time, effort and costs to set up the normal way... where 99% will fall by the wayside because who the hell wants to join a forum with no outwards signs of content or membership?

So now Dave locked himself into a story.....And as expected Real scam members will hold him to that and will wait till the first forum is sold then contact the new owner and ask if they knew the members would vanish after the sale or did they get scammed??....

[okosh]

The latest poop....


Hi T2 Members.

Well... here is the news that you have all been waiting for (myself included).

I have secured the AlertPay funds into my possession, giving me pretty much full control over the T2 finances at last.

it has not been an easy fight, and I have had to work hard and get pretty aggressive along the way, which is something I don't like, but 'where needs...must'.

This puts us 100% on schedule for the full reset which will commence on the 1st Feb.


The new website is coming along fine, and we are currently also working on the development of the new plugin that will manage all of the member tasks which will allow us to pursue our new outside income streams of flipping websites on a grand scale.

I would like to introduce the man who will be in charge of the blog development side of things. His name is Kevin Burpee, and he is highly experienced in this sort of thing. he will be overseeing the buying, creation and reselling of the websites and he has brought some great 'new thinking' to the table.

I am also going to be working with David Tung, my acclaimed database expert who will be helping in the rolling out of the task management system (among other things). I am also looking into some neat 'offline' investment opportunities. I will also be looking to start up 'The Dragon's Den' very soon. This will enable our members to put forward any great ideas via video pitch which could be considered as being viable assets for the project.... It's all about income streams.

We have also been offered a very good package from one of the active members, who runs a traffic exchange, whereas he is offering us a referral link that will give us a commission of 90%. There is a structuring involved which will include the members, and he is also offering a free month top pro level subscription to all T2 members for their first month. Something that we really can't ignore... Thanks ken for your generosity.

I have to say that I am flabbergasted at the positive response from 99.9% of the T2 members over this inglorious past month or so. I feel so humbled at your understanding and support. Without which i doubt I would be sat here typing this update. So a huge thank you goes out to all you fantastic members. I seriously believe that no other program admin is a s lucky as i am to have such a wonderful crown around me. You make everything worth doing.

I will be sending another update in a couple of days detailing the structure of things a little more clearly. Until then.. thank you and god bless you all.

Regards

Dave.

[Whip]

'pretty much full control' isn't full control Just sayin'.

[laidback]

Okay so we have 'David Bell', 'David Tung', 'Kevin Burpee'. What happened to 'Mark Whositswhatsits', that was doing all the coding? Guy changes personnel faster than Boggy changes used panties...!

[baylee]

Okay so we have 'David Bell', 'David Tung', 'Kevin Burpee'. What happened to 'Mark Whositswhatsits', that was doing all the coding? Guy changes personnel faster than Boggy changes used panties...!
What about good ole chris, the one who is now supposedly co-operating with dave for the transfer of the AP accounts????? Wasn't there something like $40,000 missing??? Doesn't matter anymore??????

Scorecards Here! Scorecards Here! Can't tell the players without Scorecards!

[laidback]

What about good ole chris, the one who is now supposedly co-operating with dave for the transfer of the AP accounts????? Wasn't there something like $40,000 missing??? Doesn't matter anymore??????

Scorecards Here! Scorecards Here! Can't tell the players without Scorecards!
Hmmm, don't know if it's sloppy accounting, devious accounting or outright BS, but there doesn't seem to be any mention of how much money "chris" supposedly took out of STP also. It appears that all of this is being conveniently overlooked! ( Oh, I know, it's the Mutt approach, i. e. what's done is done...move on.)

[littleroundman]

( Oh, I know, it's the Mutt approach, i. e. what's done is done...move on.)

HeHe,

It's real easy to take that approach when:

a) it's all fantasy and none of it is true
b) it's other peoples' money

Like Matt is a multi squillionaire who can just write off a lazy 40,000 smackeroos.....yeah, right.....sure he is.

[Whip]

What about good ole chris, the one who is now supposedly co-operating with dave for the transfer of the AP accounts????? Wasn't there something like $40,000 missing??? Doesn't matter anymore??????

Scorecards Here! Scorecards Here! Can't tell the players without Scorecards!

He almost has full control of the alertpay account um, who?
Why is he waiting til Feb 1 to restart something and not taking care of those who have been waiting for months now?

[littleroundman]

Why is he waiting til Feb 1 to restart something and not taking care of those who have been waiting for months now?

Because "waiting until Feb 1" sounds a hell of a lot better than "round 1 finished early and I won't be starting round 2 until Feb 1"

[okosh]

'Kevin Burpee'.

This is called "Pump and Dump by proxie".....In other words when the brown stuff hits the fan and some poor sucker buys a forum then finds the rent a crowd have left Dave can say he didn't scam anyone....It was Kevin who scammed them....

[baylee]

It appears that Faith Sloan has once again been banned from T2 for asking "Questions" Her story from her blog. I love it when scammers fall out.

I was banned AGAIN from that T2 forum because they just didn’t like me posting GOOD things about DollarMonster while acknowledging that JSSTripler2 – T2 (T2MonkeyKlub) has been in existence since November. Shut down. NO ONE was given refunds (well a few who requested refunds were given them. Just a few you can count on one hand.). NO REFUNDS. They waited for our 30 day Alertpay dispute window was gone. So the members believe they have no recourse in demanding their money back. And of course, SolidTrustPay, has a no refund policy for credit/debit cards. So if you do a chargeback, they will cancel your account.

Meanwhile JSSTripler2 has announced they will be the BEST program in 2012. Welllll… that would be WONDERFUL! Meanwhile it is just all talk. They also announced that T2 will be ready early February. We’ll see. Glad I don’t have $24,000 locked up there like Mr. Ken Russo. :D :D

Link:

Faith Sloan Gray Matter: Making Cash, Advertising/Marketing, and Ramblings - faithsloan.com (http://faithsloan.com/)

[laidback]

LOL, this is why he doesn't want to put out his updates in a "neutral" forum. He's like Mutt at My ScamForum, doesn't want to talk without a delete/ban button under his thumb.

[okosh]

Glad I don’t have $24,000 locked up there like Mr. Ken Russo. :D :D


Woohooo!!!!....Got to love it when Russo takes a hit :chickendance:

[okosh]

Some more poop from admin.....Pump and Dump has begun!!!!


Hi T2 Member.


We have set up the first function of the reset.

If you go to your member area, you will notice on the dashboard that there is a temporary 'reset' link.

When you click on this link, it will open a page which displays all your 'out of pocket' deposits and all of your withdrawals (if any).

This is just for your information at the moment, but will give you a good idea of what you will be starting off with. These balances will determine what level of subscription you qualify for.

No referral commissions have been included yet, but this shall be added in the coming days.

Anyone with 'active referrals' will have their subscription level determined after the first wave of commissions have been produced from the first 'balance to DP purchases'.

Members with NO 'active referrals', will have their subscription level assessed prior to the first 'balance to DP purchase' as mentioned above.

MONEYNETWORKFORUM,COM

We will be setting up the new T2 forum over the coming days, and we would like to politely request a small task from all the members.

Because we will be selling MNF.com to raise money to add to the system cash. I am asking if all members who do not use the MNF forum, to kindly add one or two posts to the forum to build up relevant content to make it look a lot more attractive to potential buyers.

It would be great if you could please check the board index and find sections that have the least amount of topics or replies, and donate some of your genius to the cause, to bring them up to standard and balance out the figures. Makes the forum look a lot more impressive. This also looks great to Google and gives the new owner a boost in their SEO and general ranking.

Please try to keep your topics or posts as relevant to the particular section or topic as possible. This would be a fantastic help to the program.

This would also help our developer to test the 'url scraping' for the new 'task management' software.

My target is to get +25,000 posts in the stats board.

Thank you so much in advance.

Will keep you updates as much as possible.

Regards

Dave.

[okosh]

Well it seems that super-pimp/reff-whore Stroz has given up on this scam and moved on to the next "best program"....

PP story here....
‘OneX’ And Club Asteria Pitchman ‘Strosdegoz’ Turns Attention To New ‘Program’ Called ‘Huge Yield’; Flogging On Ponzi Boards Has Begun Amid Early Report Of DDoS Attack (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2012/01/24/onex-and-club-asteria-pitchman-strosdegoz-turns-attention-to-new-program-called-huge-yield-flogging-on-ponzi-boards-has-begun-amid-early-report-of-ddos-attack/)

The MMG thread is Here....
Hugeyield - Hugeyield.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Hugeyield-Hugeyieldcom-t397027.html)

[littleroundman]

Well it seems that super-pimp/reff-whore Stroz has given up on this scam and moved on to the next "best program"....



I think that should read "programS"

as in:

onfirematrix.com
cashclubinternational.com
unittus.com
On2Wealth.com
Zero2pro.com
moneynetworkforum.com

[okosh]

I think that should read "programS"

as in:

onfirematrix.com
cashclubinternational.com
unittus.com
On2Wealth.com
Zero2pro.com
moneynetworkforum.com

Yes LRM...You are right......So I went and checked and I found another one to add to your list.....
It's called "HugeYield"(read-"HugeScam")....

"Dirson E. Jimenez Santana" aka "Stros/manalo" says you simply deposit $120 and you'll get back $1000
He even has a Team-Build for this scam....
Hugeyield 2x2 Fastest Teambuild (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Hugeyield-2x2-Fastest-Tea-t397193.html&p=6867988#entry6867988)

[baylee]

Yes LRM...You are right......So I went and checked and I found another one to add to your list.....
It's called "HugeYield"(read-"HugeScam")....

"Dirson E. Jimenez Santana" aka "Stros/manalo" says you simply deposit $120 and you'll get back $1000
He even has a Team-Build for this scam....
Hugeyield 2x2 Fastest Teambuild (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Hugeyield-2x2-Fastest-Tea-t397193.html&p=6867988#entry6867988)

One more to add to the list,

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