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Soapboxmom
10-21-2011, 03:01 PM
The following information outlines the
Banners Broker Compensation Plan
How can you make money in this Banner marketplace?

Well first you BUY, and then you SELL. The selling is optional, and if you choose to sell, it happens automatically, so no need to worry about whether or not your Panels will be sold!

The Selling happens flawlessly because you are in the World's First Straightline Cycler Doubler!

What on earth is a Straightline Cycler Doubler?


1) You are in a Straightline Downline, so your Ad Spots are SOLD to the next set of people who buy. There is only ONE Company Straighline Downline, so every sale is time-stamped and goes into the Straightline. So the automatic sale will occur very quickly!

2) This is also a Cycler because once you SELL, you are automatically re-entered! 50% of the sale re-enters you, and rolls you up to buy the higher Panel when you have enough. This all happens automatically, so it is really "set it and forget it"! When you re-enter, this count as another SALE to your referrer!

3) This is a Doubler because you are able to SELL your Ad Spots for DOUBLE what you paid for in the Marketplace. So you get a chance to DOUBLE your money! The perfect question now is: How many times can I double my money? It is endless doubling! You don't need to refer anyone for the first two doubles, and for every double after that, you need to have two Banner Panel Sales at the level in which you are Doubling. So to double at Panel 1, you need two Panel 1 sales (after your first two doubles).

IMPORTANT: You get the first two doubles without the need for any sales!! So why would you choose to only double at the smaller Panels? Start at a package that is right for you and make sure you are doubling quickly without the needed sales. For example, if you start at the Professional Package, you are doubling ALL of Panel 1, Panel 2, Panel 3 and Panel 4... TWICE before you need any sales!


Rewards


Brand New Laptop!


When your Team Sales Doubles 200 Basic Ad Packs


http://www.bannersbroker.com/images/2-laptop.png


1oz American Eagle Gold Coin!


When your Team Sales Doubles 200 Business Ad Packs


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Luxury Vehicle Allowance!


When your Team Sales Doubles 200 Professional Ad Packs


http://www.bannersbroker.com/images/4-car.png


Luxury Cruise!


When your Team Sales Doubles 200 Enterprise Ad Packs


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Luxury Home Allowance!


When your Team Sales Doubles 200 Ultimate Ad Packs


http://www.bannersbroker.com/images/6-house.jpg



For live 24/7 chat, add our Skype Admin Center: bannersbroker (skype:bannersbroker?add)
I got a PM from a member wanting more info. This comp plan certainly sets off many red flags. I am told Alertpay blocked deposits. Using Alertpay is a red flag in and of itself. How they double one's money is a question that deserves some research. The mansions and cars are another huge red flag. No legitimate companies solicit like this.

Are the ads just a fig leaf cover of a product for a towering pyramid? MLM marketer Dr. Lieven is said to be pushing this. He also pushed PAS (http://www.realscam.com/f17/prosperity-automated-systems-bill-osterhout-shut-down-sec-225/). 'nough said!

Soapboxmom

Whip
10-21-2011, 07:42 PM
1) You are in a Straightline Downline, so your Ad Spots are SOLD to the next set of people who buy. There is only ONE Company Straighline Downline, so every sale is time-stamped and goes into the Straightline. So the automatic sale will occur very quickly!
It seems to say that you are going to 'sell' your ad to the chump under you. Then he would 'sell' it to the chump under him and so on. Seems like the chain letter of removing the top name and add yours to the bottom. What I don't get is exactly how you are allegedly going to 'sell' your ad for twice what you paid as it states further down. I could be reading it totally wrong though.

bannersbrokerv2.com
12-20-2011, 02:54 PM
you dont sell the advertisement space the broker does i can confirm it works you dont need to recruit as you can use a small amount of your profits to qualify your panels to double the fact that you get to double your money twice and then if no one wants to join which they will do when you are making money you just take a small cut of your profits to double again seriously if your not joined up then join up now!
googles advertising is falling apart as they are to expensive but banners broker v2 is set to be the fastest growing company since groupon

the website will be down from the 22nd of december to the 2nd of january good information is on this website (URL removed by moderator)

littleroundman
05-23-2012, 11:22 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/stros1.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/stros2.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/stros3.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/stros8.jpg

Read ponzi pimp, Strosdegoz/Dirson E. Jimenez Santanas' whole article HERE (http://blog.donothingmoney.com/banners-brokers-gone-scam-warning/3/)

littleroundman
05-24-2012, 02:03 AM
Pimps and shills come out to play,
This one has all but gone away;

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/bannersbroker.jpg
You gotta agree with him, though, it's a real PITA when you get your " concecensous" mixed up with your terminology.

Come to think of it, if one of your main shills like daveosm gets it so wrong, is it any wonder members are making mistakes ??

littleroundman
06-14-2012, 10:54 PM
Roll up, roll up,

Place your bets, Ladies and Gentlemen.

How many weeks left in this one ???

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/BB2.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/BB1.jpg

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310809&page=36 (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310809&page=36)

kschang
06-17-2012, 01:24 PM
Banner Broker's name just popped on PatrickPretty.com... Zeek Affiliate selling customers, AND links to Banner broker and JBP

Site That Sells Zeek Rewards ‘Customers’ Uses PayPal, Serves Confusing Pop-Up Screens, References AdSurfDaily Figure Todd Disner — And Sends Traffic To JSSTripler/JustBeenPaid Site That May Have ‘Sovereign Citizens’ Link (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2012/06/17/site-that-sells-zeek-rewards-customers-uses-paypal-serves-confusing-pop-up-screens-references-adsurfdaily-figure-todd-disner-and-sends-traffic-to-jsstriplerjustbeenpaid-site-that-may-have/)

littleroundman
06-21-2012, 07:18 AM
BEWARE !!!

The end is nigh:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/banners.jpg

JustTooMuchTime
08-17-2012, 12:24 AM
The pricing on the combo-packages make no sense. A real banner ad network doesn't use one-size-fits-all pricing. Prices are determined either on a per-site basis, verticals, or by predefined inventories of sites based on demographics.

littleroundman
08-23-2012, 06:16 AM
Here ya go, sports lovers,

bargain of the week.

Guaranteed to last 24 hours

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/banners.jpg

Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum, Banners Broker thread (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4875358&postcount=587)

baylee
08-23-2012, 07:27 AM
Here ya go, sports lovers,

bargain of the week.

Guaranteed to last 24 hours

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/banners.jpg

Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum, Banners Broker thread (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4875358&postcount=587)

If he/she paid me a couple of hundred dollars to take it off their hands I might, just might think about it but even then it will be more than likely not worth the hassle.

EagleOne
08-23-2012, 01:59 PM
Here ya go, sports lovers,

bargain of the week.

Guaranteed to last 24 hours

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/banners.jpg

Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum, Banners Broker thread (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4875358&postcount=587)

Isn't this against their TOS?

But if someone did buy this, there would be a YouTube video up telling about it and proving how valuable being a part of BB is. Of course they would not divulge the person sold his account at a discount, but hey it had value. :RpS_lol:

littleroundman
08-28-2012, 09:55 AM
UH OH !

Looks like the writing's on the wall here, too:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/uhoh.jpg

Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum, Banners Broker thread (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4878913&postcount=603)

scratchycat
08-28-2012, 03:51 PM
This was from who is in 2010:


Registrant:
Andre Francisco Filipin
Rua Andre Cecone, 78
Curitiba, Parana 80740-530
Brazil

Registered through: EZ-Domains Co.
Domain Name: BANNERSBROKER.COM
Created on: 28-Jul-09
Expires on: 28-Jul-10
Last Updated on: 28-Jul-09

Administrative Contact:
Nagy, Steve
Hosting Machine
Rua Japao, 484
Cotia, Sao Paulo 06502-345
Brazil
551147020489 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Nagy, Steve
Hosting Machine
Rua Japao, 484
Cotia, Sao Paulo 06502-345
Brazil
551147020489 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS03.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS04.DOMAINCONTROL.COM


Registrant:
Banner Broker
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (Domain Names | The World's Largest Domain Name Registrar - GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com))
Domain Name: BANNERSBROKER.COM
Created on: 15-Oct-10
Expires on: 15-Oct-12
Last Updated on: 26-Sep-11

Administrative Contact:
Broker, Banner domainservice80@gmail.com
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
(661) 770-9988 Fax -- (661) 770-9988

Technical Contact:
Broker, Banner domainservice80@gmail.com
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
(661) 770-9988 Fax -- (661) 770-9988

Domain servers in listed order:
PDNS01.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

path2prosperity
08-28-2012, 05:21 PM
This is being pimped on Scamland by members with very dubious reputations.

Scamland link (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2548239/Banners-broker-simple-money-making-online-business.aspx)

Known Scamland Pimps.

1) Dennis Clairmont (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/265854.aspx).
2) Belinda No Name (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/herbabelgium.aspx)
3) Larry Blethen (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/bluelight505.aspx) 338 POTW nominee

littleroundman
09-01-2012, 09:50 AM
Now, for anyone of you non-believers out there who think this guy is joking, cut it out.

This is serious stuff here and you're privileged to be allowed to see how things work in HYIPonziland

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/aha.jpg

Banners Broker thread, Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4883199&postcount=626)

Whip
09-01-2012, 11:52 AM
I have personally seen first hand the system that BB uses if not a similar one.

Well, which is it scammer? Can't even keep their lie straight in one sentence.

noname999
09-16-2012, 07:26 AM
Any update on this scam? It seems to be gathering momentum. How long before the authorities might actually do something?

littleroundman
09-17-2012, 10:18 PM
HeHe,

when even the pimps and shills can't agree on exactly how much of a HYIP ponzi fraud this one is, you just KNOW the n00bs need to keep right away.

http://imageshack.us/a/img23/6879/pimps3.jpg

littleroundman
09-19-2012, 07:36 PM
http://imageshack.us/a/img211/3058/37320027.jpg

Poyol
09-20-2012, 10:04 AM
So, I've come from Scum.com- they deleted the whole thread about Banners Broker- some of it had some great research done by me, and a few others.

I was also threatened to be sued for libel for calling BB a scam.

So, ask anything you're not sure of and I'll try and fill in the gaps with some of the research that I already gathered.

P.

littleroundman
09-20-2012, 10:22 AM
I was also threatened to be sued for libel for calling BB a scam.

Hiya, Poyol and welcome to REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) where your threads will NEVER be deleted.

As for being "sued for libel" by a get-rich-quick and/or HYIP ponzi promoter, Har-bloody-Har

As if one of those scumbags would want to get within 10 miles of a courtroom.

IOW, it ain't gonna happen.

As for an anti scam forum removing threads to avoid the THREAT of being sued...............let's just say, it won't happen here.

Poyol
09-20-2012, 10:36 AM
Hiya, Poyol and welcome to REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) where your threads will NEVER be deleted.

As for being "sued for libel" by a get-rich-quick and/or HYIP ponzi promoter, Har-bloody-Har

As if one of those scumbags would want to get within 10 miles of a courtroom.

IOW, it ain't gonna happen.

As for an anti scam forum removing threads to avoid the THREAT of being sued...............let's just say, it won't happen here.

I realised this was the better place to come to. I'm surprised we've not got any shills here calling us idiots for having facts as to why there's a high probability of it being a ponzi scheme.
This forum/thread could do with being a bit more active though. On that point can Google crawl this site so threads show up in the results?

When searching if BB was a ponzi/scam it came up with all of the shills' webpages promoting it, with a nice referral link.

If I'm not making sense let me know- I'm tired; English is my first language though!

P.

Soapboxmom
09-20-2012, 11:15 AM
Welcome to RS Poyol!

We are doing very well at hitting the first page of Google with many of our threads. Time to get this one more active! And, you can bet the thread will not be going anywhere.

I have been sued twice, but the threats are endless and usually quite amusing. Apparently, I have the FBI ( who I have worked with before) Interpol and the Romanian mafia after me, at least according to a fake De Rothschild scammer. You can read about the suit Advantage Conferences scammer Tim Darnell filed here in numerous threads and on the Harvard law site (http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/darnell-v-dobrott).

Discovery is certainly most entertaining. You would get financial records and most everything but their used toilet paper. It is quite enlightening!

If BB is threatening you, then you know you are doing something right!

Soapboxmom

laidback
09-20-2012, 11:20 AM
I realised this was the better place to come to. I'm surprised we've not got any shills here calling us idiots for having facts as to why there's a high probability of it being a ponzi scheme.
This forum/thread could do with being a bit more active though. On that point can Google crawl this site so threads show up in the results?

When searching if BB was a ponzi/scam it came up with all of the shills' webpages promoting it, with a nice referral link.

If I'm not making sense let me know- I'm tired; English is my first language though!

P.
Oh, a few shills drop in from time to time and promptly get eaten for lunch. (Pimp salad du jour is my favorite, especially with cheerleader dressing.)Regarding your techie type questions, those are better addressed by the admins. WELCOME!

noname999
09-20-2012, 11:20 AM
Finally a bit of life. Sing hallelujah! Seems you caused quite a stir P. can't believe they wiped the thread.
The drones will consider that a victory, and confirmation of BB's validity! Anyway, I still think MasterCard may be the quickest most effective route.

Poyol
09-20-2012, 11:29 AM
I believe there's a solicitor's letter from Canada at my old address that I've got to go and collect on Saturday.

Any advice if it is what I believe it is?

*Worried*

littleroundman
09-20-2012, 11:35 AM
On that point can Google crawl this site so threads show up in the results?

The forum and thread are crawled on a regular basis y multiple search spiders.

We have no problem ranking highly on search engines.

However, while there is no shortage of targets, there are only so many hours in the day.

Feel free to post away, and you'll quickly see how well our SEO works.

littleroundman
09-20-2012, 11:47 AM
I believe there's a solicitor's letter from Canada at my old address that I've got to go and collect on Saturday.

Any advice if it is what I believe it is?

*Worried*

A solicitors' letter is just that, a letter.

IANAL, nor do I play one in a TV series, however, a solicitors' letter, no matter how threatening it may appear can only threaten to take court action, it is NOT legally binding in itself.

IOW, the solicitor is doing what his/her client is asking, nothing more. He/she cannot impose penalties.

First we have questions over jurisdiction i.e. if you're in the U.S.A. and the client is in Canada.

Secondly, no HYIP ponzi promoter such as those behind Banners Broker is going to allow him or herself to get within a bulls' roar of a courtroom which would be necessary should the complaint be allowed to get that far.

How likely is it a HYIP promoter could survive explaining how his/her plan works to the satisfaction of a court ??

IOW, it ain't gonna happen.

Poyol
09-20-2012, 11:48 AM
I'll carry on causing a stir, and making a racket till this Ponzi is closed down.

Letter that arrived was only my prepaid Mastercard - BB have closed my account for being 'naughty'.

I think I'll be drafting a letter tomorrow which will be sent to them. If only I didn't believe everything friends say.

Poyol
09-20-2012, 11:51 AM
I'm in the UK.

I am not a lawyer either; I have been reading up on defamation laws though- criminal law is more my thing-- seeing as though I want to be a bobby!

surfer
09-20-2012, 11:56 AM
I want to be a bobby!

Had to look that one up. I'm not fluent in British slang. :)

Welcome to RS Poyol.

Poyol
09-20-2012, 11:58 AM
Haha! Thanks for the welcome; I'll post some more of my research onto this thread tomorrow. However it seems as though that other forum there's a user called moneymaker (or something) they've been using most of my information gathered!

Poyol
09-20-2012, 12:00 PM
I'm using my phone to post whilst walking home, sorry if I sound disjointed!

noname999
09-20-2012, 01:19 PM
Found this on another site:

Sorry I did not acknowledge your post Chelsea, with regard to your suggesting naming the City gent, that would be a little unfair of me to him, but let me give you a clue he is officially regarded as and rated the No. 3 Forex trader in the world, that might help you, he handles extremely wealthy clients who have Swiss bank accounts also handling all their investment activities, at the time of the conversation he and I were attending a gathering to meet one of the executive’s who incidentally make themselves very accessible by travelling around the globe shaking hands and enjoying the opportunity of meeting 1000′s of excited happy members, they must get a great buzz doing that, but they would not if people were unhappy.

So if you join BB you are rubbing shoulders with all types, the City gent was introduced to the business by one of the founders of the bank of Portugal who advised him to keep an eye on it, which he did for five months before going to Canada to examine the business, why did he do that, to check it’s suitability for introducing his clients, just to underline the integrity of the owner and executive, our City friend wanted to purchase $500,000 and $1,000,000 amounts on behalf of his client’s into the business, incidentally he had just purchased 175,000.00 Euro’s worth of business with BB, “just for starters” he said to me, the owner and executive turned down that opportunity saying that their desire was not to make the extremely wealthy even wealthier but to bring to ordinary folk the ability to change their lives, I think that statement answers most of the criticism leveled at the executives integrity by others. Would they not have grabbed all that money if it was a Ponzi, they have not collected the admin fee’s regularly only spasmodically, can you see any cash strapped company doing that, of course not they grab every dime they can usually before you have even received any service at all from them.
So there you are Chelsea, I speak as I find obviously with a mind for other’s opinions, I can only suggest you try BB because if you don’t, if it’s true, look what you are missing.

Think I'm going to be sick...

noname999
09-20-2012, 01:22 PM
If anything Poyol, I think its time you sent them a solicitor's letter. They have money belonged to you. They have changed the rules all the way along. Maybe this is the way to get the authorities moving on this one?

Poyol
09-20-2012, 01:25 PM
I may send them a letter myself- I can't afford a solictor at the moment- especially for £67!

noname999
09-20-2012, 01:32 PM
I was thinking more the free legal aid route. You should enquire.

Soapboxmom
09-20-2012, 01:33 PM
If anything Poyol, I think its time you sent them a solicitor's letter. They have money belonged to you. They have changed the rules all the way along. Maybe this is the way to get the authorities moving on this one?
The authorities look at the number of complaints, dollar loss and yes, the amount of internet attention a scam is getting. The more internet complaints the better chance an enforcement agency will act. The Texas Attorney General's office investigator was quite delighted when she realized who she was talking on the phone to. She had in fact been reading me!

noname999
09-20-2012, 01:37 PM
Is she looking into banners broker already sbm?

Poyol
09-20-2012, 01:39 PM
We don't have attorney generals in the UK ... Or DAs - I don't really know the equivalent- or know who to speak to who'd understand the crime.

The local police e-crime division didn't understand it at all. I had to point them to Wikipedia article on Ponzi schemes as they'd never heard of the term before.

noname999
09-20-2012, 01:41 PM
You are kidding me. Thats nuts. What about the citizens advice bureau or consumer complaints. Anything like that?

Poyol
09-20-2012, 01:46 PM
Well, reporting Banners Broker in general I've reported to: ActionFraud; SOCA; FSA and the FBI will be reporting to Canadian authorities tomorrow.

I just think it'll collapse on its own before the authorites react.

Soapboxmom
09-20-2012, 01:57 PM
Is she looking into banners broker already sbm?
I am not personally aware of any investigations and if I was I could not discuss it online. But, as Poyol pointed out, many of these deals collapse very quickly on their own before the authorities can have time to act. And, sadly the authorities are understaffed and underfunded and many scams will fly under the radar. That is why sites like this are so wonderful. At least folks can get some information with which to make an informed decision.

noname999
09-20-2012, 01:59 PM
I just can't believe that Bb is going for so long. Its 2 years now. Doesn't that seem way longer than the norm?

Poyol
09-20-2012, 02:18 PM
Is there any actual proof it's been going for two years?

noname999
09-20-2012, 02:23 PM
I know people that are in it for over a year. If you look at some of the threads they date back to Oct 2010. If you look at the moneymakergroup thread you will see there posts dating back to then.
I am relatively new to this strange world so have alot to learn but how long was something like zeek going before it went wallop?

Poyol
09-20-2012, 02:32 PM
I remember reading that Zeek started in 1997 and was shut down in 2012.

noname999
09-20-2012, 02:35 PM
15 years. Wow, looks like this has a long way to go...

Poyol
09-20-2012, 02:36 PM
Not all schemes last the same amount of time; I'm not going to stop chasing them.

noname999
09-20-2012, 02:47 PM
Sent a message to admin on the other site asking what happened to the thread. Lets see what they say...

Poyol
09-20-2012, 02:49 PM
Ask SBM about the owner of scum.com -- I'm sure she'll be able to explain better than I!

noname999
09-20-2012, 02:54 PM
I'm curious now!! Always wondered about those dodgy ads though...

Soapboxmom
09-20-2012, 02:59 PM
Sent a message to admin on the other site asking what happened to the thread. Lets see what they say...
George Dranichak / Zachary / Vladimir Sviatoslavich or whatever he is calling himself these days usually ignores his members and volunteer moderators. He is in it for the $$$$$. He routinely removes threads under threat from provably fake lawyers or with the proper incentive. Scam is not a site set up to help consumers. It is a money maker for a porn producer and spammer. There are plenty of threads on here about Dranichak for those interested in some wild tales!

noname999
09-20-2012, 03:03 PM
Haha. Brilliant, thanks. Think I'm going to like this site.

JordanBright
09-20-2012, 03:20 PM
Even a scam finding site is a scam? that's good.

by the way to all the people back from scam it might be a good idea to try and repost some of the stuff you remember or saved from the other post, so it can backlink here.

noname999
09-20-2012, 03:22 PM
Unreal. This site will be better anyway.

path2prosperity
09-20-2012, 04:15 PM
We don't have attorney generals in the UK ... Or DAs - I don't really know the equivalent- or know who to speak to who'd understand the crime.

The authority which has the most power in UK is Customs and Excise. If a registered company or sole trader is registered for VAT, Customs will investigate complaints about that person or business very quickly as being registered for VAT means that they are authorised to collect tax for The Crown " The VAT (Value Added Tax) Authority (http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/start/register/when-to-register.htm)

If a UK trader or Company has a turnover in excess of £77K pa they have to register for VAT. It is simple to report anybody in UK who has a VAT number or a person who obviously has a turnover above £77K pa.

There is a charity which helps victimes of smaller financial crimes called Crimestoppers (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=crimestoppers&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a)

scratchycat
09-20-2012, 04:25 PM
Welcome Poyol!

As SBM said, I believe our ratings are right up top on Google. Usually if I search for anything on Adlandpro or Scamlandpro, it will pull up several just for example. I never was in scumland but have learned a lot since being in RS.

path2prosperity
09-20-2012, 04:38 PM
Welcome Poyol!

As SBM said, I believe our ratings are right up top on Google. Usually if I search for anything on Adlandpro or Scamlandpro, it will pull up several just for example. I never was in scumland but have learned a lot since being in RS.

The Google ratings with RS are very good.

I used to post information about scammers to WLD (World Law Direct) because it was the best way to get the comment to the top of Google. Now most scam reports from RS get to the top of Google faster than they do by posting to WLD.

If you post to threads with a five star rating on WLD, that is another good way to get your message to the top of Google.

noname999
09-20-2012, 05:10 PM
I used to post information about scammers to WLD (World Law Direct) because it was the best way to get the comment to the top of Google. Now most scam reports from RS get to the top of Google faster than they do by posting to WLD.


That site has a thread claiming that this website is a haven for scammers? is anything actually as it seems?

WhostolemyID
09-20-2012, 05:17 PM
Well, I saw quite a bit of the thread at scam.com, and probably learnt more about finance and human nature in half an hour than I did in the previous forty-seven years. Then some %$&^ went and deleted it. (Mind you, I did fail the sign-up question here twice before getting one right, so that's either brain damage from booze or a sign of dementia).

(JordanBright).. Google cache still has much of that thread, including a massively detailed post (which I will trundle off and collect if my bottle-fingers will allow) that lists founders of BB, their previous escapades, funding and the like... I'm a bit of a noob (posts =1) to be so presumptive as to repost it...

Nope, not an investor, it's just I was on another forum where somebody asked about it.. did we have opinions, was it a sound investment....we offered a frank assessment, then he told us we were all wrong, knew nothing, were all against him, and should stop calling it a Ponzi... yep, he'd bought into it in the interim (and I understand a condition of continued membership is that you say nothing bad or negative... so not only do yoou sound positive 'cos you want to sign more gullible family & friends up to feather your nest, but you also risk losing what you have invested if you mention Ponz... Pyram... ssshhhh).

The fervent belief that followers (have to ) exhibit is fascinating. Once you are hooked, you have to believe... you want to believe...

Off to capture some Google cache from scam.com. Hope I continue my education here.

Apologies for the bottle fingers.... wife away, so lonely 'till tomorrow (sad, I know, but I am ancient).

noname999
09-20-2012, 05:21 PM
Delighted to have you on board. Recover what ever you can. It could all be very helpful! And take it from...you are not that old!!

Can I ask what the other forum was?

path2prosperity
09-20-2012, 05:24 PM
That site has a thread claiming that this website is a haven for scammers? is anything actually as it seems?

Look at the rating of that WLD thread. It has a zero rating as far as I remember. Most of the posts in that thread come from a drunk by the name of Uncle Festa who has been banned from RS and almost all other forums on the www.

One about old Adland scammers started by a WLD member "florrie" has a five star rating. There is good historical data in that thread.

There is a very good contributor to WLD who is well known to some RS members. He goes by the name of Dave Thornton, CrimeBustersNow. (I think that is the correct name) He is very au fait with Canadian criminal activities on the world wide web. He is a very good person to take seriously.

laidback
09-20-2012, 05:26 PM
That site has a thread claiming that this website is a haven for scammers? is anything actually as it seems? Oh, yeah, the one started by liar first class and full time drunk UncleFesta, or as I call him, the festering boil!!!

Joe_Shmoe
09-20-2012, 05:32 PM
Hi all, Nice Gaff you got 'ere.

Does anybody know if this question was ever answered on the TalkingBigBollocks forum? :RpS_wink:

Where are they? (by bbdave)

Hi all. I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere and I have searched but not found anything that answers my question.

I have been with BB now for 7 weeks. Quite well rehearsed in the ways however there is one thing that is really bugging me.

I have submitted a ticket for help in BB, posted in various Skype group chats and emailed my main man upline, but no one is even acknowledging my question, let alone answering it.

My question is - where are the 150000 or so websites that are in the BB Publisher network. In other words, where are the adverts from which we are generating advertising revenue via our panels?

I have potential new affiliates asking me this question and I cannot answer them!

I don't know of any websites other than the 18 or so which appear in the Choice Network and quite frankly I'd rather not tell anybody about them as they are very lame, that's if they even load.

I'm hoping that I may find some answers on these boards?

Thanks in advance.

Soapboxmom
09-20-2012, 05:46 PM
Welcome everyone. And, please do archive the Scam posts and share them here. If there are a lot of posts, I can also pdf them and post them as a huge pdf. What George taketh down we archive!

WhostolemyID
09-20-2012, 06:24 PM
Hey, Laidback, lay off us full-time drunks...

Oh, actually, I'm only a part-time drunk, so let's all pick on the full-time hobo beer-swilling bastards.

I haz History of said scum.com thread. Only prob is, it is on my high-tech, wonderous HP Touchpad (PBAI) so I'll need to spend a while finding it all. I've also cached the later pages from Google (just in time, it appears). As a noob novice just passing through (no BB affilaition, no money worth investing at the mo), anyone wise care to say why, oh why, was the scam.com thread deleted. Are they wusses, owned by Bernie Madoff et.al., or just incompetent oafs? Or does BB have more staff on the legal side than on the sales team... I tremble with fear in my socks... which, of course is all I wear while at the computer... I am still at work, after all.

Oh, as a matter of no interest, I did try to buy some advertising from them... I tried a personal application, and also emailed them from work email ( a large pfarmaceutical company, if you get my drift). No response. I think my pfuking email would have got some attention, even if my personal application didn't. We did spend 1.4 billion dollars on adverts last year: you'd think they'd want to speak to me (Junior V.P, Marketing Asia & Far East {wwweeeelllll nah, not quite, but who's to say; it was a brief query to open proceedings...}. But nada... anyone would think they didn't actually want to buy and sell advertising space... and that would just be silly, wouldn't it?

Anyhow, off to do battle with history on an HP Touchpad...

Edit: what's the etiquette for re-posting somebody else's musings on a different website, or don't we give a flying fox over here?

Joe_Shmoe
09-20-2012, 06:43 PM
Feel free to re-post my stuff.


PS Do you think the guy who runs the other scam forum would take payment from anybody to delete uncomfortable threads?

laidback
09-20-2012, 06:54 PM
Hey, Laidback, lay off us full-time drunks...

Oh, actually, I'm only a part-time drunk, so let's all pick on the full-time hobo beer-swilling bastards.

I haz History of said scum.com thread. Only prob is, it is on my high-tech, wonderous HP Touchpad (PBAI) so I'll need to spend a while finding it all. I've also cached the later pages from Google (just in time, it appears). As a noob novice just passing through (no BB affilaition, no money worth investing at the mo), anyone wise care to say why, oh why, was the scam.com thread deleted. Are they wusses, owned by Bernie Madoff et.al., or just incompetent oafs? Or does BB have more staff on the legal side than on the sales team... I tremble with fear in my socks... which, of course is all I wear while at the computer... I am still at work, after all.

Oh, as a matter of no interest, I did try to buy some advertising from them... I tried a personal application, and also emailed them from work email ( a large pfarmaceutical company, if you get my drift). No response. I think my pfuking email would have got some attention, even if my personal application didn't. We did spend 1.4 billion dollars on adverts last year: you'd think they'd want to speak to me (Junior V.P, Marketing Asia & Far East {wwweeeelllll nah, not quite, but who's to say; it was a brief query to open proceedings...}. But nada... anyone would think they didn't actually want to buy and sell advertising space... and that would just be silly, wouldn't it?

Anyhow, off to do battle with history on an HP Touchpad...

Edit: what's the etiquette for re-posting somebody else's musings on a different website, or don't we give a flying fox over here? imho, if you post other peoples stuff, ithe source/author be properly attributed.

Joe_Shmoe
09-20-2012, 07:26 PM
Here is a quick question.

A while ago Banners Broker was telling everybody that they where VAT registered in the UK. They started charging their victims/suckers VAT for the CRAPPY ADs and such.
They even posted a VAT number 127482213 that turned out to be invalid. Shortly after I found it to be invalid I posted as much on TalkingBigBollocks. Then all of a sudden they made an hasty "re-arrangement" with the UK Tax Man apparently, & stopped charging VAT.
After all they don't actually sell any thing other than dreams. (can you tax 'em? Banners Broker tried)

I read elsewhere that Banners Broker Portugal & Banners Broker ROI are VAT registered. What is there VAT numbers & are they valid?

Check here them here VIES (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/)

littleroundman
09-20-2012, 07:29 PM
Hi all, Nice Gaff you got 'ere.

Does anybody know if this question was ever answered on the TalkingBigBollocks forum? :RpS_wink:

What the questioner doesn't understand is, Banners Broker is a merely a variation on the "autosurf" theme of internet scams and is NOT an "advertising platform"

In an "autosurf" the advertising is of a very distant secondary consideration and viewing any ads which do exist comes an extremely distant third.

Signing up new members is the only way Banners Brokers and other "autosurfs" survive.

No new members = no new money = collapse

The adverts are merely a smokescreen, designed to fool the naive amongst us into thinking there is a real "product"

Banners Broker is already showing signs the supply of new money is drying up, so, my guess would be it won't last more than a few months now.

littleroundman
09-20-2012, 08:45 PM
OOPS !!

When even the players on HYIP ponzi forums start complaining, you just KNOW there's trouble.

Anyone thinking of putting new money into this one now might as well flush it down the toilet.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/kt88_zps30d422bb.jpg

Banners Broker thread, Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310809&page=83)

noname999
09-21-2012, 02:24 AM
I don't know. I think this has a bit to go yet. I have been observing for months now and this bit of panic seems to be regular enough before pay day. I hope I'm wrong...

Poyol
09-21-2012, 04:02 AM
Thread Banners Broker | scams - free message board | BoardReader (http://boardreader.com/thread/Banners_Broker_c3q9X33x4.html)

This link has all of the posts of the old scum.com thread ... I think!


Well that is the board reader but it only links to part of the posts. There were 947 posts in that thread. Around 50% were from shills though.

P.

noname999
09-21-2012, 04:23 AM
Alot of promises made of today being pay day. Interesting to see will it happen.

Poyol
09-21-2012, 04:35 AM
Will you believe them if they say it has?

I'll be contacting Customs&Excise today.

P.

noname999
09-21-2012, 04:40 AM
I don't know. They have been complaining that they have not been paid. If they get as promised i would probably believe them. I don't see why they would lie.

Seems the customs and excise could be a good route. Would love if the sword they fell on was the day they bullied you!

Poyol
09-21-2012, 04:45 AM
Bullied, threatened, and robbed.

This is personal; as well as moral.

JordanBright
09-21-2012, 05:15 AM
Kinda funny that Banners Broker is not hiring the top notch of PHP programmers but the mid-senior level - PHP Programmer at Banners Broker in Downtown Toronto - Job | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=&jobId=3764234&trk=jobs_share_fb)

you can check the twitter, they post some **** there from time to time - https://twitter.com/bannersbroker

Poyol
09-21-2012, 05:19 AM
I rated the thread a 1 star I meant to rate it a 5!

Mods can you assist?

noname999
09-21-2012, 05:23 AM
Where do you rate the thread?

Poyol
09-21-2012, 05:27 AM
At the top right where it says 'Rate this thread'.

noname999
09-21-2012, 05:30 AM
Was looking on the main forum page. thanks.

Up to 4 stars now:RpS_smile:

Poyol
09-21-2012, 05:34 AM
Customs have been contacted- so now there are a few 'alphabet agencies' that I've contacted-- something that they really didn't want, or so I've heard!

When someone has collated all of the pages from Scum.com can you please ask SBM to put it into a PDF- I'd like my research back! :D

littleroundman
09-21-2012, 06:28 AM
Wise words from a most unexpected source for anyone thinking of putting money into Banners Broker:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/wise_zps10f144d7.jpg

Banners Broker thread, Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4904785&postcount=826)

noname999
09-21-2012, 06:42 AM
To be honest, that guy is a panic merchant anyway. One day swinging the pom-poms, next day the end of the world.

Poyol
09-21-2012, 08:33 AM
Anyone got the old information from Scum.com yet?

P.

Poyol
09-21-2012, 08:35 AM
New signature may help with SEO to this thread!

P.

littleroundman
09-21-2012, 09:38 AM
To be honest, that guy is a panic merchant anyway. One day swinging the pom-poms, next day the end of the world.

Mate, the whole HYIP ponzi mob are panicking.

From the number of posts he's made on Talkgold, my guess would be he's a relative newbie "true believer"

Think about it.

In the past month they've seen their favourite cash cow in Zeek busted.

Just Been Paid was "sold" then "renamed", is not paying and on it's last legs,

Banners Broker is showing signs, Wealth4All is only doing preferential payments and half a dozen others have either gone belly up or have had to rejig themselves.

IOW, they're all getting a reality check WRT how HYIP ponzis really work.

Poyol
09-21-2012, 09:45 AM
Aye,

I've seen nearly everyone panicking -- apart from the shills.
They're telling everyone to be patient.

Whilst we were at Scum.com there was someone (I can't remember who) who had access to talkingbb.com and was posting inside information.

We could do with another insider -- we could do with knowing what's REALLY being said.

P.

noname999
09-21-2012, 10:12 AM
I'll see what I can do.

JVNB
09-21-2012, 11:02 AM
I'm currently inside talkingbb (and also trying desperately to at least recover the money I put into BB before they get shut down)

Poyol
09-21-2012, 11:04 AM
JVNB feel free to post screenshots of panic or any other topics that would interest us.

P.

littleroundman
09-21-2012, 11:16 AM
I'm currently inside talkingbb (and also trying desperately to at least recover the money I put into BB before they get shut down)

All indications are Banners Broker will collapse on its' own before it gets closed down by anyone else.

JVNB
09-21-2012, 11:22 AM
Everybody on that forum seems to be pretty oblivious to what's going on, absolutely no panic going on in there. And they view you as a bunch of idiots (ironically, lol). I feel pretty sad for the people who have quit their jobs or put huge amounts of money into their "banners broker business"

JVNB
09-21-2012, 11:23 AM
They are still claiming that payouts will be going out today. No indication that any money has actually been sent out though.

Poyol
09-21-2012, 11:23 AM
Let them build their business! [sic]

littleroundman
09-21-2012, 11:50 AM
And they view you as a bunch of idiots

I should bloodywell hope so.

It's not like we don't try hard enough to annoy the c**p out of them.

Soapboxmom
09-21-2012, 12:02 PM
I rescued the first page of the Scam thread.

1580

Hundreds and hundreds of posts filled with hours of research hard deleted by George Dranichack for no legitimate reason. Hence the mass exodus from that Scam promotion site!

Soapboxmom

JordanBright
09-21-2012, 12:38 PM
http://i.imgur.com/axrKp.png

Poyol
09-21-2012, 12:43 PM
A few posts of my own which were filled with damning information- due dilligence etc.

A few have said they've got the whole thread saved though.

I'll be naming and shaming recruiters that I know too-- just need to know the legal implications of doing so!

Soapboxmom
09-21-2012, 12:49 PM
A few posts of my own which were filled with damning information- due dilligence etc.

A few have said they've got the whole thread saved though.

I'll be naming and shaming recruiters that I know too-- just need to know the legal implications of doing so!
Whatever said recruiters made public is public!! Said recruiters can scream libel and defamation and threaten suit, but actually doing so is another matter entirely!

Poyol
09-21-2012, 01:10 PM
Okay, well ... The Manchester, England seminar presenter was/could still be a Martin Wild. MARTINWILD.COM (http://www.martinwild.com) -- I took his name down from the other site as he left me an answerphone message threatening to sue for slander; and if he was linked to a scam again he would carry out his threat.

There's nothing defaming in this post any more than being involved with Banners Broker.

Supposedly this guy has met Kul Josuln, Chris Smith and all of the other 'top dogs'.

When he phoned me he was trying to be VERY patronizing blaming my aversion to Banners Broker on being 'an angry young man' and 'just having a joke' I assure you Mr Wild (if you see this) I am not. Your name has been given to all of the relevant authorities. And I'M not bluffing.

Jason Clark

Julie Diligent
09-21-2012, 01:20 PM
I rescued the first page of the Scam thread.

A search on Yahoo, not Google, for the search string "Banners Broker" "Page 1 of 31" (including double-quotes) brings up result with 'Cached' link going to the Scam.com page.

So if you just do a sequence of 31 searches, each time upping the page number by one, you should find every page.

Poyol
09-21-2012, 01:42 PM
I tried doing so before, Julie; it was too hectic at work though!

path2prosperity
09-21-2012, 01:59 PM
Here is a quick question.

A while ago Banners Broker was telling everybody that they where VAT registered in the UK. They started charging their victims/suckers VAT for the CRAPPY ADs and such.
They even posted a VAT number 127482213 that turned out to be invalid. Shortly after I found it to be invalid I posted as much on TalkingBigBollocks. Then all of a sudden they made an hasty "re-arrangement" with the UK Tax Man apparently, & stopped charging VAT.
After all they don't actually sell any thing other than dreams. (can you tax 'em? Banners Broker tried)

I read elsewhere that Banners Broker Portugal & Banners Broker ROI are VAT registered. What is there VAT numbers & are they valid?

Check here them here VIES (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/)

They could not have made any arrangement with the UK tax man. If Banners Broker had collected VAT, that money was collected for The Crown and Customs and Excise would have made sure the the matter was settled to the satisfaction of The Crown. There is no way it coud have been settled privately. The matter would have been settled in a Crown Court.

You have found a very good web site to check if VAT registration numbers in EU are genuine and I hope this site gets a great deal more publicity here on RS.

Please could somebody copy this page (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/). I have not got round to figuring out the best way to do it yet.

scratchycat
09-21-2012, 02:47 PM
A search on Yahoo, not Google, for the search string "Banners Broker" "Page 1 of 31" (including double-quotes) brings up result with 'Cached' link going to the Scam.com page.

So if you just do a sequence of 31 searches, each time upping the page number by one, you should find every page.

It would be kinda slow but you could send each one to OneNote and then save them all in pdf. I did that with some forums I wanted to keep copies of. Hope it helps. I use IE.

Joe_Shmoe
09-21-2012, 02:55 PM
1582
These words may be very pertinent soon

Soapboxmom
09-21-2012, 03:22 PM
1600

1601

1585

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1587

Soapboxmom
09-21-2012, 03:41 PM
1588

1589

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1591

Soapboxmom
09-21-2012, 03:49 PM
1592

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Soapboxmom
09-21-2012, 03:56 PM
1596

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1599

JordanBright
09-21-2012, 04:04 PM
Well I was trying to upload a picture from talkingBB but it didn't go in so here it is again, I also Don't know why every time I post it does not show -

http://i.imgur.com/EkJQO.png

Soapboxmom
09-21-2012, 04:15 PM
1602

1603

1604

1605

1606

Soapboxmom
09-21-2012, 04:20 PM
Now, doesn't George look silly for removing those. Once again, I have archived the vital information off of that cesspool and put it right back up here!

Poyol
09-21-2012, 05:21 PM
Well done, SBM.
There's some good information in there :)

Char
09-21-2012, 06:02 PM
Now, doesn't George look silly for removing those. Once again, I have archived the vital information off of that cesspool and put it right back up here!

SBM, Thanks for working out the login.

I can't help but be very curious and wonder why the threads disappear on "scam". Perhaps you can post your opinion. I've commented on how reminiscent this was re ASD thread on scam - Someone had rescued most of the pages on that thread too. Might have been you or "hopeful cynic"? Anyway, thanks for the work all the volunteers do to take down these scammers.

Soapboxmom
09-21-2012, 06:33 PM
SBM, Thanks for working out the login.

I can't help but be very curious and wonder why the threads disappear on "scam". Perhaps you can post your opinion. I've commented on how reminiscent this was re ASD thread on scam - Someone had rescued most of the pages on that thread too. Might have been you or "hopeful cynic"? Anyway, thanks for the work all the volunteers do to take down these scammers.
When I worked for George Dranichak for free as a moderator slaving under that very hostile Sojustask, I watched numerous threads disappear due to fake lawyer letters, idle threats and apparent incentives shall we say. George Dranichak is a porn producer and spammer that runs Scam only as a money making venture. It has never been the consumer watchdog site he tries to pass it off as. That is why I left.

We have no ads here at the present time and we will not cater to scammers. Thanks to all of you who give your time to warn others!

Char
09-21-2012, 08:11 PM
Check out what some scammers err, affiliates are doing now. And how is that done anyway? Surely the Chief Scammers at BB would not approve or do we now have a scam within a scam?


hey all.
i have way too many panels than i can qualify,hence im selling panels is all colors in huge discount!!
12% discount for all panels, YELLOW to RED.
plus you save deposit fees and the days the panels alredy runs.


I don't think that's wrong at all, the sooner we can get the seed money back and make profits the better it is. I am selling panels myself too with similar discounts. I can do it quite often too as always setting my panels 50% one and next 100% repurchase and so on.

littleroundman
09-21-2012, 08:20 PM
or do we now have a scam within a scam?

Yep,

it's a not uncommon scam within a scam.

HYIP ponzi players who have been around long enough to see the writing on the wall trying to offload their worthless "panels" to newbies.

Julie Diligent
09-22-2012, 12:14 AM
I can't help but be very curious and wonder why the threads disappear on "scam". Perhaps you can post your opinion.

In a word, Char... well, maybe two... CAPITULATION and COLLUSION.

You need look no further for evidence of that than the back story to this post (#567) on page 19 from the now defunct Scam.com Banners Broker thread:


1611


SBM has posted a link to the PDF of page 19; if you take a look, you'll see that post #567 is not this one of mine but is one by samuel.r instead. The reason? Mine was pulled by Scam.com Admin a couple of days after posting. At the same time, they pulled the PropertyWikia thread and I was denied posting privileges. Why? Because of this one sentence:


"Indeed, it was because a number of complaints were received about PropertyWikia that the serial scammer behind it, one Timothy Končar (alias Julian Vincent), was pulled in for questioning."


Let me explain...

On 6th September last year, a thread was started on Scam.com titled PropertyWikia (RMV Group) Scam. It went ballistic within in a few days... and so must PropertyWikia, because Alexa showed it was sending their site traffic into a tailspin (much to our satisfaction). But the scammer retaliated: on Sept 17th, so-called Affiliate Manager 'Julian Vincent' openly declared to PW affiliates in a group Skype session...


"...the company is being represented in court by solicitors in the City of London... to commence proceedings to shut down scam.com... The company already succeeded in getting hosting records secured from the host server of scam.com – i.e. RACKO under subpoena and knows each person’s details who has contributed to defamation on scam.com."


And a couple of days later, the thread duly disappeared, leading most to conclude that said proceedings had been successful. Oddly though (but thankfully), another PropertyWikia thread was started up within 24 hours and the debate continued as if nothing had happened.

The legal action was, of course, a fairy story.

Fast-forward to 26th November, and a number of owners of whistle blowing forums, including this one, received an email from PropertyWikia's... cough, cough... ‘Legal Department’ headed ‘Notice to Cease and Desist Internet Defamation (UK Defamation Act 1996)’. I received one such email, myself.

They said they would be taking legal action against us for the “series of unwarranted defamatory attacks”, complaining that our “baseless accusations have damaged and adversely affected business.” [which they had, actually]... and “they depict the company as engaging fraudulent activity that violates civil and criminal law... blah, blah, blah”.

They demanded that within 7 days we “immediately remove all defamatory and disparaging remarks” or risk legal action. (The full, laughable text is here: http://www.realscam.com/f12/property-wikia-fraud-so-many-levels-878/index6.html#post13004).

A couple of forum owners swallowed this steaming heap of bullcrap and crumbled. Yes, you guessed, one of them was the jelly-for-a-spinal-column Scam.com... so the second PropertyWikia thread was duly deleted.

But, again, another PropertyWikia thread... the third... sprang up on Scam.com within 24 hours. Weird; why did the censoring never stick?

Anyway... it emerged some months later, when the scammer behind PropertyWikia had done a runner with everyone's money... unlike Banners Broker, they didn't pay out so much as a thin dime... that his name is Timothy Koncar.

Bear with me, folks, here's where I connect some dots...

So I composed the aforementioned Banners Broker post (#567), but in preview found that the PW scammers name displayed as "Timothy ******". WTF? How can that name possibly be a 'naughty word' worthy of the attention of the site's censoring script that swaps letters for asterisks, I thought.

I did a bit of searching on Scam.com and as luck would have it, turned up a post from way back in 2006 with this significant sentence in it:


"This is definately Tim (deleted by admin - don't post his name) aka Tim ****** aka Tim Green..."
[http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=226961&postcount=6]


And then I turned up an even older post from 2004 with this:


"The other person effected and cheated are (a) Mr Naveen Mann (naveenmann@hotmail.com) (b) Tim (deleted by admin - don't post his name)"
[http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=8154&postcount=7]


Highly significant is that the first of these shows it was "Last edited by admin : 01-10-2007 at 06:35 AM", whilst the second shows it was "Last edited by admin : 01-10-2007 at 05:54 AM".

Evidently, something in January 2007 caused Admin to manually censor these two disparate, aged posts within 40 minutes of each other. Lemme guess: couldn't have been a threatening email, could it? Or, heaven forbid, the greasing of a greasy palm?

So how, then, did I give the censoring script the slip when I posted in the BB thread the other week? Well, Koncar is a Slavic surname, so I used the proper accented 'č' instead of 'c'. The brainboxes at Scam.com hadn't thought of writing that little dodge into the script. No, you mustn't titter.

Anyway, they probably reviewed the BB thread because it was going ballistic... spotted that offending sentence with he-that-must-not-be-named's name in it (as quoted, up top)... realised I'd got in under the radar... pulled the post... checked all my other posts... which led them to the PropertyWickia thread I was all over... spotted my post in there where I said...


"The owner of this forum, here, has taken down two PropertyWikia threads already. Due to the fact that he first bought the bogus complaint, above, from the bogus Brian Thomas, hook line and sinker... and then capitulated with a bogus threat of a 'Cease and Desist' lawsuit from the bogus 'Legal Department'.

I ask you: what kind of scambusting site owner gets scammed by the same scammers... not once, but twice?"


...which likely prompted them to throw teddy out of the pram and pull the whole thread... and slap my wrists with a posting ban.

There you have it, then, folks... proof that George Dranichak does indeed capitulate under threat from, if not collude with, the enemy.

Douchebag!

scratchycat
09-22-2012, 09:46 AM
This might be of some help to you, it is the link that P2P posted.

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VIES (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/)

Poyol
09-22-2012, 10:53 AM
So, for posting Martin Wild's information I'm supposedly being threatened with legal action --what law/civil offence I'm breaking; I don't know.

This was already public information -- so, not exactly data protection act, and it's all true so not exactly libel!

littleroundman
09-22-2012, 11:10 AM
"Supposedly" being the operative word

Poyol
09-22-2012, 11:13 AM
Martin Wild's son sent this to me on Facebook:

"... You want to take this to court? So be it. Banners Broker may not want to
take you to court because of whatever legal implications it may cause but
trust me Jason, my father will take you to court in the defence of his name.
I noticed that you said you only removed his name after threats were made,
true, but you removed his website after I asked you. Maybe a post that said
'I removed his website after my friend asked' would've been more
appropriate, yes? A lot of people with money behind them want to financially
cripple you for life. Out of respect for you, and your newborn daughter (who
is in no way involved in this admittedly), I asked my dad to reason with
you. He obliged and sent you those texts to try and genuinely help you. But
your refusal is now your sentence. Many people are about to attack you
legally Jason, and I honestly tried to get you out of it.

I'm quite drunk to be honest, and this in no way is a 'threat', but I'm
trying to help you. You may think BB is a scam but for the sake of your
future, I simply ask you to let it go. Do it in private if you want, I
genuinely don't care, but don't post names, addresses, phone numbers etc on
a public forum.

that is all I'm saying. I wish you well.,"

So, what are your thoughts?

Jason

Joe_Shmoe
09-22-2012, 11:24 AM
So, for posting Martin Wild's information I'm supposedly being threatened with legal action --what law/civil offence I'm breaking; I don't know.

This was already public information -- so, not exactly data protection act, and it's all true so not exactly libel!

I can just imagine it in court (which it obviously won't come to)

Judge "So Mr Wild are you involved with Banners Broker?
Mr Martin Wild "'erm yes"
Judge "aaahhh yes the scam I have heard so much about. Case dismissed"
Judge " Tell me more about this scam Mr Wild"


Found this in 2 secs with a Google search...
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I would take Mr Wild to court for scamming you. (He sounds like a right ******)

littleroundman
09-22-2012, 11:35 AM
So, what are your thoughts?

Jason

Mate, the chances of this getting to court are zero and the chances of Mr Wild or any other HYIP ponzi player and/or supporter getting to within 10 miles of a courtroom are even less.

If Mr Wild thinks he or his lawyer can stand up in front of a Judge and defend Banners Broker, then let him go ahead, I say.

In fact, it would probably be one of the best things to happen to the cause of those who set out to reveal the truth behind online fraud.

IOW, it's bul****t and he knows it's bul****t and is simply trying to scare you.

(P.S. if he decides to go ahead with his nonsense, make sure you get a proposed date for the court appearance so we can have as many media representatives and law enforcement agencies present as is possible)

AS IF

Poyol
09-22-2012, 11:40 AM
If for libel it'd be like:

Me: So Mr Wild can you explain what libel is?

...

Me: It's an UNTRUE written statement causing insult, defamation and or damage to reputation. So, are you not a presenter for Banners Broker in the Manchester area? Is this not your website? Do you recruit people 'under' yourself in Banners Broker? No more questions.

Soapboxmom
09-22-2012, 11:59 AM
Apparently, Martin Wild and Don Allen Holbrook are going to joust to see who will be the Lord and Master of the Internet. We all know how that will turn out!

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
09-22-2012, 12:04 PM
Do you accept money for promoting a fraudulent business ??

Can you prove to the court the program is NOT a fraudulent business ??

Can you show the court the steps you undertook to ensure the legality of Banners Broker BEFORE you accepted payment ??

Can you show the court the steps you undertook to verify the statements you made on behalf of Banners Broker were, in fact, accurate ??

Poyol
09-22-2012, 12:05 PM
SBM, he's not threatened you has he?!

If that's what you're saying!

Soapboxmom
09-22-2012, 12:20 PM
Martin Wild's son sent this to me on Facebook:

"... You want to take this to court? So be it. Banners Broker may not want to
take you to court because of whatever legal implications it may cause but
trust me Jason, my father will take you to court in the defence of his name.
I noticed that you said you only removed his name after threats were made,
true, but you removed his website after I asked you. Maybe a post that said
'I removed his website after my friend asked' would've been more
appropriate, yes? A lot of people with money behind them want to financially
cripple you for life. Out of respect for you, and your newborn daughter (who
is in no way involved in this admittedly), I asked my dad to reason with
you. He obliged and sent you those texts to try and genuinely help you. But
your refusal is now your sentence. Many people are about to attack you
legally Jason, and I honestly tried to get you out of it.

I'm quite drunk to be honest, and this in no way is a 'threat', but I'm
trying to help you. You may think BB is a scam but for the sake of your
future, I simply ask you to let it go. Do it in private if you want, I
genuinely don't care, but don't post names, addresses, phone numbers etc on
a public forum.

that is all I'm saying. I wish you well.,"

So, what are your thoughts?

Jason
Legitimate businesses and business people do not send out correspondence such as this. Perhaps, the scammers should sober up before posting!!! That can't possibly construed as anything but a threat! I take it all his bar buddies are going to stagger your way and throw Nerf darts at you or something?

Folks that go public with all their contact information have no business complaining when it does in fact go public. The scammers best find a provably false statement of fact if they are going to belly-ache so. And, they should do a lot more legal research. Opinion is not generally actionable.

The ones who are "financially crippled" I would bet are the folks pushing this collapsing scam. The top guys made their money and were laughing all the way to the bank long ago. Now, the little guys are taking a blood bath and as we can see getting a wee bit grumpy. No consolation to be found in the beer apparently.

Of course these constant threats to those that are sharing the truth generates a ton of negative publicity and usually hits the first page of Google in record time. That sure does wonders for sales, now doesn't it!!!

Soapboxmom

Joe_Shmoe
09-22-2012, 12:25 PM
If Mr Martin Wild is not careful when he next Googles his name this thread might be top of the Google search ranking.

Ask Don Allen Holbrook about that...

Soapboxmom
09-22-2012, 12:29 PM
SBM, he's not threatened you has he?!

If that's what you're saying!
HAHAHA!!! Not yet, but as with many of these guys, they seem to fantasize that they are going to be able to threaten and intimidate people into doing their bidding. They want to believe they can be in charge of the internet. Very humorous to watch.

Trying to silence folks often backfires like this and a huge public scuffle ensues. Many scammers insist on learning the hard way!

Soapboxmom
09-22-2012, 12:34 PM
Do you accept money for promoting a fraudulent business ??

Can you prove to the court the program is NOT a fraudulent business ??

Can you show the court the steps you undertook to ensure the legality of Banners Broker BEFORE you accepted payment ??

Can you show the court the steps you undertook to verify the statements you made on behalf of Banners Broker were, in fact, accurate ??
The FTC says:




Your Responsibilities
If you decide to become a distributor, you are legally responsible for the claims you make about the company, its product and the business opportunities it offers. That applies even if you're repeating claims you read in a company brochure or advertising flyer. The Federal Trade Commission advises you to verify the research behind any claims about a product's performance before repeating those claims to a potential customer.

In addition, if you solicit new distributors, you are responsible for the claims you make about a distributor's earnings potential. Be sure to represent the opportunity honestly and avoid making unrealistic promises. If those promises fall through, remember that you could be held liable.




Folks promoting something better be dang sure they have checked it out thoroughly and that they are honestly representing said product and/or opportunity!

JordanBright
09-22-2012, 12:43 PM
Another Nice topic, started a long time ago but people still post in it, here is the first part of the post -

http://i.imgur.com/XEkbu.png

and here is a very "nice" comment I found in the thread -

http://i.imgur.com/Rxv1l.png


so much bullshit..

Joe_Shmoe
09-22-2012, 12:46 PM
Does Mr Wild describe himself thus?

Entrepreneur, Speaker, Investor, Forex & Sports Exchange Trader, Husband & Dad to 3, Golfer & Manchester City Fan. Enjoy the Journey but Just Do It!!
Me: It's an UNTRUE written statement causing insult, defamation and or damage to reputation. So, are you not a presenter for Banners Broker in the Manchester area?

If so I seen him on twitter. He's an Entrepreneur don't you know?

Whip
09-22-2012, 12:47 PM
Mate, the chances of this getting to court are zero and the chances of Mr Wild or any other HYIP ponzi player and/or supporter getting to within 10 miles of a courtroom are even less.

If Mr Wild thinks he or his lawyer can stand up in front of a Judge and defend Banners Broker, then let him go ahead, I say.

In fact, it would probably be one of the best things to happen to the cause of those who set out to reveal the truth behind online fraud.

IOW, it's bul****t and he knows it's bul****t and is simply trying to scare you.

(P.S. if he decides to go ahead with his nonsense, make sure you get a proposed date for the court appearance so we can have as many media representatives and law enforcement agencies present as is possible)

AS IF

The punk bitch already knows it's never going to happen. That's why he opened with this, and even admitted why:


You want to take this to court? So be it. Banners Broker may not want to
take you to court because of whatever legal implications it may cause

Why would there be any legal implications if this is legit? So, what everyone is saying is true.

Joe_Shmoe
09-22-2012, 01:36 PM
Wow Poyol so because of a post on a forum Martin Wild knows people who will ruin you for life.

Bloody Hell make sure you don't double cross him in a drugs deal, no telling what he might be capable of :shocked:

Poyol
09-22-2012, 02:14 PM
I try not to get mixed up in drug deals!

Yeah, for mentioning his name he's going to financially ruin my family and I for life.

I think not.

Soapboxmom
09-22-2012, 02:21 PM
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Poyol
09-22-2012, 02:30 PM
That on a Google?

Soapboxmom
09-22-2012, 02:49 PM
That on a Google?

Absolutely!

WhostolemyID
09-22-2012, 03:55 PM
Soapboxmom

Well done on capturing the pages from scam.com. Hell, I spent ages working out how to get the history pages off my HP Touchpad (no expense spared here; no cheap iPad for me! More money to invest in some scam or other that way), saving them to the awful word processor app, finding the cable to link it to a proper computer, copy the file across, save it as text, open it in Firefox, save as web page.... I did six pages in an hour... then saw what you'd done....:pulling_hair_out:

There's some seriously good research there, and I'm glad it is saved. It's biblioclasm in the modern age....not sure what the correct term when the internet is involved. Bitoclasm, but that sounds crap. Interesting that there's "history" between this sites.

I'm still amazed at the quantity of positive info out there o the web, how many people who are BB investors either believe they have found untold wealth or, having realised the principle of the scam, continue to "spread the word", to try and dig themselves out of the mire they are in by passing the **** on downwards.

Anyway, threats over the interweb? That's an offence under the Telecommunications Act, I'd have thought. Being drunk is no excuse... and I should know that, bein this thread's resident megalomaniac. (Now look, that word was dipsomaniac, not megalo.. .. and the damn autocorrect keeps cutting in. HP Touchpad is great for browsing, otherwise useless. All errors in this post are owing to my Touchpad, not the booze. Honest).

Can one sign up on a BB forum without spending £££ (or dollars, if you are that side of the pond?) I'd love to see how the mind-hive is convincing itself?

Joe_Shmoe
09-22-2012, 04:18 PM
I see Jamie deleted his $3.6m Tweet
I didn't
1617

This will look plain silly one day :RpS_wink:

WhostolemyID
09-22-2012, 04:25 PM
Or it'll look like evidence....:judge:

edit: what's the minimum investment? how little does it cost to buy into this ****? Any idea how much the minions are shelling out on average/maximum investment?

Soapboxmom
09-22-2012, 04:48 PM
The psychology of the scam is fascinating. Those at the top know from the get go they are going to be defrauding innocent, trusting souls, many of whom are desperate to earn money. They laugh all the way to the bank.

The huddled masses join as they are in desperate straights financially and will give anything a shot. They perpetuate the scam against all logic as they cannot bear to admit to themselves they were conned and have spent money they are desperate to recoup. Who wants to admit to themselves much less anyone else they didn't see it was a scam and/or were so trusting they let someone screw them. Eventually some are overcome with a nagging unease and start researching the scam and realize they were taken. Most quietly drop out and hope they will not be vilified for being a quitter and failing. They have been told if the give up they are worthless and that any failure is due to their not following the plan and re-inventing the wheel etc.

A few will file complaints and speak out publicly. A rare handful might have the money and or savvy to find legal help and will pursue those that defrauded them. The vast majority will go on to the next scam sure that it is the one and success is just around the corner. A few will be grateful they were not very successful and therefore left few or perhaps no further victims in their wake.

With law enforcement underfunded and understaffed, sites like this across the net can help to keep folks from being defrauded. If one can read before they are pushed in with the high pressure tactics these deals employ, perhaps these scams can be stopped in their tracks. I believe education is the key! If folks knew they had a 97-99% failure rate, a lot less people would jump in. There are few retail sales and these deals only grow in essence due to recruitment. There is little money to be made when the sales people have no actual customers. Who would knowingly pay up to the top pyramid promoters?

Soapboxmom

WhostolemyID
09-22-2012, 05:41 PM
Yep, the first forum I was on with this started with an appeal : what does anyone know about this, is it for real? There was a few days of non-response, while some of us looked into the matter..... we then posted back that it was a scam (I say Ponzi, others say Pyramid).... to be told by the OP. " don't you dare say that, it is a legitimate Company, stop calling it a Ponzi/Pyramid".... From asking - to preaching , in a few days. Yep, in the interim, he'd invested, and been converted to the + belief + of BannersBroker (hey, one up to my Touchpad, it wants to correct BannersBroker to (and I'll type the same, but not correct) to UnderwhElmed {sic}).
Sucked in, you either have to admit you were fooled, or you have to play the game, and pass the damage on down the line. Possibly the worst bit I've seen is the..."and it is so good, I got my mum and sister and nephew to buy in..." approach. The angst in years to come from that...

Then I realise I'm enjoying viewing this, the schadenfreude, the: I'm aware this is a scam.... hmmm that makes me feel a bit less good about myself....

So, Ponzi or Pyramid? I'm not experienced, and I'd say Ponzi.... There's no real investment, is there? No real marketing? There is almost some mesmeric beauty in the shifting concept of these panels. Many years ago, I saw the UK presenter Chris Tarrant talking about a Japanese slot machine that had mo payout, no methodology, just put a coin in, pull the handle, and lights changed, patterns appeared. Same thing here. But, apparently as addictive as crack. Once you are in, you're hooked.

Again, I blame typos on my touchpad.. :RpS_wink:

edit: Japanese Pachinko machines...???

Joe_Shmoe
09-22-2012, 06:36 PM
Are Banners Broker getting desperate for new recruits/victims?
On the 19th September Banners Broker sent out about 111 Tweets.
They seem to be sending out about 4 per hour or more.



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samuel.r
09-22-2012, 07:07 PM
I certainly have not been tracking their activity, but I seem to think that their information meetings rate/pace have picked up a bit too, in UK? If asked they would probably describe this as being needed because of the overwhelming demand.

Joe_Shmoe
09-22-2012, 07:20 PM
This is the Best Banners Broker Ad ever.
They must be getting really desperate behind the scenes now.

Business Development job vacancy in Northampton (UK) - Business Adviser - Home Based - Ref. FI30822 (http://www.freeindex.co.uk/job(business-adviser-home-based)_30822.htm)



1620

:RpS_rolleyes:

Whip
09-22-2012, 07:43 PM
I see Jamie deleted his $3.6m Tweet
I didn't
1617

This will look plain silly one day :RpS_wink:
It looks absolutely ridiculous now.

littleroundman
09-22-2012, 07:57 PM
So, Ponzi or Pyramid? I'm not experienced, and I'd say Ponzi....

Why bother with the old "ponzi or pyramid" argument ??

Why not just settle for what the Department of Justice prosecutors call them ??

Fraud, wire fraud, money laundering and conspiracy.

JordanBright
09-23-2012, 02:44 AM
This is the Best Banners Broker Ad ever.
They must be getting really desperate behind the scenes now.

Business Development job vacancy in Northampton (UK) - Business Adviser - Home Based - Ref. FI30822 (http://www.freeindex.co.uk/job(business-adviser-home-based)_30822.htm)



1620

:RpS_rolleyes:



You will need a PC, Basic Computer Skills, a minimum 6 hours a week to suit you, and approx £300 to cover set up costs. We at Banners Broker will promise that you will get 2x the amount back within 10 weeks.


wow.. even the people that will work in banners broker will need to put money in it, that's good.

littleroundman
09-23-2012, 02:53 AM
We at Banners Broker will promise that you will get 2x the amount back within 10 weeks.

PROMISE ???

Scouts' honour ???

Wow, sign me up.

Poyol
09-23-2012, 04:42 AM
I'm still here -- anyone got any information from authorities as of yet?

SBM, did you say that you'd informed the DAO TX?

path2prosperity
09-23-2012, 05:48 AM
I'm still here -- anyone got any information from authorities as of yet?



I have sent you a PM as there are some avenues open to "We British" that you and I can discuss by phone or skype.

littleroundman
09-23-2012, 06:08 AM
I'm still here -- anyone got any information from authorities as of yet?

Unfortunately, that's not the way it works, Poyol.

Even under direct questioning, the best you can expect is "we can neither confirm nor deny an investigation is underway"

In my experience, the signs are already there Banners Broker will collapse on its' own and we'll probably never know who's done what to whom behind the scenes.

I would be EXTREMELY surprised if the people really behind Banners Broker are who they say they are or are where they say they are.

Have a quick read of this Letter from a Scammer (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-143765.html) and you'll get some idea of what I mean.

Poyol
09-23-2012, 06:24 AM
Ah, that letter was an eye opener.
They're still trackable -- nobody's completely hidden: I just don't have the resources; nor confidence in my ability to track across the globe.

So, what else is there to discuss on the subject of Banners Broker?

littleroundman
09-23-2012, 07:04 AM
Of course they're trackable.

The question is more along the lines of "why would anyone bother?"

In the grand scheme of things, Banners Broker is a relatively small player.

Remembering that in smaller HYIP ponzis, a great deal of the money is gone already, paid out to the players and covering "expenses"

It's only the "next big thing" HYIP ponzi games such as ASD and Zeek where there's millions to be recovered.

Where's the cost benefit to the authorities ??

The people behind these frauds are usually pros at what they do.

Unlike the U.S. based ASD and Zeek, they're designed to be virtually untraceable.

Real names aren't used EVER, multiple unregulated offshore banks and payment processors are the norm, which is why money laundering figures in charges should they ever be brought

It would cost millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of man hours to track down every one of the 1000 or so HYIP ponzi games currently on the pages of Talkgold and MMG, to what end ??

The only protection against these things is to keep away from them.

Just like with Nigerian and/or Eastern European email scammers, once the money is gone, it's GONE.

Just keep on annoying the second and third tier enablers, it's just as much fun.

Poyol
09-23-2012, 08:27 AM
The next installment of me being threatened:

"I know my father is not legally attacking you because of whatever problem you have with Banners Broker. Its the fact that you are making implications that he is a part of 'the group of scammers'. Like I said, I do read these forums (I don't post because if I tried to legitimately defend myself or the business I would just be insulted), and I notice you leave out certain parts of conversation, don't correct these other posters when their assumptions are wrong. Apparently, I'm now a 'scammer' because my dad paid for me to start up in a business he legitimately believes in, I also apparently drink to console myself that I've lost money, which we both know isn't true.

And no, I don't actually know the exact legal implications you may have caused (if any) because I didn't google it the way you did, all I asked you to do the other week was to take down my fathers name from a forum that implicated him as a creator or conspirator of a scam.

And how does me saying a lot of other people with money behind them are going to attempt to financially cripple you turn into my dad now wants to do that? He never wanted to do that. He wanted to defend his own name, not damage you or yours in any way. Other people, want to do that. Not me or my family.

I actually can't believe how pathetic this has gotten. You put 60 quid in a business that nobody forced you to join and because you've found some things that look shady you turn it into a personal attack? I'm actually in disbelief at how this has turned out. I'm not a business man, so I don't know the ins and outs of business, but I never imagined it to be this pathetic."

Joe_Shmoe
09-23-2012, 08:34 AM
Pay no heed he is a knob.

Soapboxmom
09-23-2012, 08:57 AM
I'm still here -- anyone got any information from authorities as of yet?

SBM, did you say that you'd informed the DAO TX?
Filing a complaint will get no response unless the investigator needs more info. They don't disclose the status of any investigations. So, I have made numerous complaints over the years and had some of them have prompted investigators to contact me. I hope that helps.

littleroundman
09-23-2012, 10:13 AM
Its the fact that you are making implications that he is a part of 'the group of scammers'.

WHOOPS, sorry there, young Mr Wild, it's not "implications" it's fact:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/martin_zpsf3d1bef0.jpg

My Banners Broker Journey Blogspot (http://mybannersbrokerjourney.blogspot.com.au/)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/venue_zpsa267c338.jpg

There is a Martin Wild from Manchester on Twitter who appears to be a likely candidate for the position of "Manchester area co-ordinator" but, without confirmation, I won't post a pic.

path2prosperity
09-23-2012, 10:15 AM
If I tried to legitimately defend myself or the business I would just be insulted. You put 60 quid in a business that nobody forced you to join and because you've found some things that look shady you turn it into a personal attack? I'm actually in disbelief at how this has turned out. I'm not a business man, so I don't know the ins and outs of business, but I never imagined it to be this pathetic."

If you defend yourself they do insult you "payol" but it gives strength to your argument against them because the crap which they fling at you becomes laughable. I discovered that I had people following me whom I never dreamed would have read Internet forums. I have to be very careful of mentioning any authority but my bank are aware of one and they did not give into pressure to withdraw their support when I hit a bad patch.

When BoggyBoy Fiedur of Scamlandpro sent me a letter from the most expensive libel solicitor in UK. I was going to throw it in the bin but Eagle was on SKype and I told him about it. He advised me to send a copy to everybody we both trusted. Only SBM and I know some things about BoggyBoy. RS members had the laugh of our lives when SBM discovered that BoggyBoy's outfit sold womens dirty knickers. His expensive solicitors dropped him like a hot cake.

I will try to contact you later this evening but my advice is not to let the -uggers get you down. You have started the ball rolling but unfortunately you can not see the direction which it has taken. If you give up now, your efforts could be of no avail and some may think you were involved. You are in a very good safe haven here and I strongly advise you to hold the ground which you have gained.

I was accused of many things including the story that I was running a lesbian brothel from my home.

noname999
09-23-2012, 12:59 PM
wow.. even the people that will work in banners broker will need to put money in it, that's good.

So BB are guaranteeing that you will double your 300 in 10 weeks...but...its not a doubler...well...at least its against their rules to say its a doubler...yet...they can break their own rules...
You couldn't make this up!

Joe_Shmoe
09-23-2012, 01:44 PM
Any truth in this? from MMG? What are they saying on Talking BigBollocks?
If this is what they are saying, it looks like a desperate attempt at an excuse not to pay out. (Gotta sort the "hackers" out first)
1625

noname999
09-23-2012, 01:55 PM
They must be seriously stuck 'balancing the books'...

JordanBright
09-23-2012, 02:42 PM
Hackers? next time is the ISP, another time will be the host, then payza and STP.. and then they will shut down :)

EagleOne
09-23-2012, 02:42 PM
They must be seriously stuck 'balancing the books'...

They've got accounting books? That will be a first.

noname999
09-23-2012, 02:44 PM
I see on another forum they are talking about growing pains again...SERIOUSLY!!!

EagleOne
09-23-2012, 02:49 PM
The next installment of me being threatened:

"I know my father is not legally attacking you because of whatever problem you have with Banners Broker. Its the fact that you are making implications that he is a part of 'the group of scammers'. Like I said, I do read these forums (I don't post because if I tried to legitimately defend myself or the business I would just be insulted), and I notice you leave out certain parts of conversation, don't correct these other posters when their assumptions are wrong. Apparently, I'm now a 'scammer' because my dad paid for me to start up in a business he legitimately believes in, I also apparently drink to console myself that I've lost money, which we both know isn't true.

And no, I don't actually know the exact legal implications you may have caused (if any) because I didn't google it the way you did, all I asked you to do the other week was to take down my fathers name from a forum that implicated him as a creator or conspirator of a scam.

And how does me saying a lot of other people with money behind them are going to attempt to financially cripple you turn into my dad now wants to do that? He never wanted to do that. He wanted to defend his own name, not damage you or yours in any way. Other people, want to do that. Not me or my family.

I actually can't believe how pathetic this has gotten. You put 60 quid in a business that nobody forced you to join and because you've found some things that look shady you turn it into a personal attack? I'm actually in disbelief at how this has turned out. I'm not a business man, so I don't know the ins and outs of business, but I never imagined it to be this pathetic."

All they are trying to do is intimidate you. If they were seriously going to sue you, they would have already filed by now. They are blowing smoke hoping you will stop exposing them.

Instead you need to step up your exposure with solid facts as LRM has provided you about Mr. Wilder's role in BB. You have people here who will support you in exposing Mr. Wilder and the role he is playing in this Ponzi.

This is an old tactic that most people now realize is just all smoke and mirrors. The last place Mr. Wilder wants to be in in a courtroom explaining to a judge and jury how BB works and his role in it.

If it were me, I would post, the next time he threatens a lawsuit, telling him to stop talking about it and do it. He will back down immediately as he knows he can't intimidate you any more. But that's just me.

Poyol
09-23-2012, 03:21 PM
Like I said though, if it ever actually did get to court I'd end up having to represent myself!

Joe_Shmoe
09-23-2012, 03:33 PM
I see on another forum they are talking about growing pains again...SERIOUSLY!!!

Oh God! I hope Jamie Waters got his 3.6 million dollars out in time :duh:

noname999
09-23-2012, 03:40 PM
They are saying the payments are going to go out tonight now. They really are scrambling. Firstly it was 2 weeks ago, then it was a week ago. Then it was definitely Friday. Then today, there was going to be a delay until the big bold hackers could be dealt with. Now they will go out today before the big bold hackers are dealt with.(presumeably due to the reaction of the drones).
They are changing their story so often and so quickly, they are going to fall over.
...and you know what, the drones will still fall for it. I think this payment will be made so they will think all is well again...completely ignoring the slippage.

Soapboxmom
09-23-2012, 03:41 PM
Like I said though, if it ever actually did get to court I'd end up having to represent myself!
I have been there and done that and so has the incredible Dave Thorton:
Pyramid Scheme Alert (http://www.cbnow.org/html/pyramid_scheme_alert.html)

The multi-level marketing fraud, Business in Motion (http://pyramidschemealert.org/canadian-police-bring-criminal-fraud-charges-against-mlm-business-in-motion/) (BIM), recruited tens of thousands of victims all over Canada. Billboards promoted its pyramid "business opportunity." Millions were invested in the endless-chain scam. Thornton personally accused the scheme of pyramid fraud but he could not get the Competition Bureau or Police to act. At some BIM recruitment meetings, uniformed Canadian police officers guarded the doors. It was known that government employees and some police were participating.

With Canadian officials allowing the scam to go on, the founder of BIM, Alan Kippax, sued Thornton for $10 million, charging that his claims of pyramid fraud were "defamatory." Thornton defended himself, without an attorney, against a 24-person law firm... and won! The presiding judge concluded that though Thornton publicly called the scheme's promoters "crooks", he made a "prima facie" case that the scheme was, in fact, a pyramid scheme that paid earlier recruits with later recruits' investments. The judge agreed that the court could not be a party to protecting such schemes.
If BB should be so completely foolish as to tangle with you they will be in for an uphill battle, crippling publicity and all of their financial records being turned over in discovery. That means there is virtually no chance they will touch you as they do not want the Kool-aid drinkers to know the real numbers!

Soapboxmom

EagleOne
09-23-2012, 04:24 PM
Like I said though, if it ever actually did get to court I'd end up having to represent myself!

First of all it would never get to court as they are bluffing. But if they did, you could get a public defender to represent you. You see if they did sue, then you would be entitled to a public defender. Even if you represented yourself, or had a public defender, you get to do "discovery." You will love that word because it means they have to reveal everything you request, and trust me we would provide you a list of things to request. This is the point where they punt, fold their tent, and go home. Because they won't reveal any of what you would be entitled to get from them. Think of discovery this way: It is an anal exam without any lubricant.

I know it is hard when you don't have much to think that you could possibly be sued and would be hard pressed to defend yourself if it happened. There are too many of us here on this forum who have been threatened thousands of times to be sued with absolutely no action taken. Then we have had a few who have been sued, but it has gone nowhere.

They are bluffing, and I know they are bluffing because they would have already done it if they were serious. This is nothing more than a bullying effort on their part to get you to stop or take down information they don't like. You need to look up what it requires for a person to sue someone for libel or slander. You will find that Mr. Wilder has none of the conditions for him to sue you.

Understand, you are not alone in this fight and we have your back. We can do far more damage to him than you could, and please I do not mean that in a derogatory way or demeaning to you. It's just that we have been around this for a long, long time and know how to deal with this type of person.

Joe_Shmoe
09-23-2012, 04:43 PM
Information posted by Ian Driscoll in skype room regarding payments and uk support.

[20:35:49] -- Ian Driscoll --: INFORMATION
I have been speaking with Chris and he tells me
that the payments will go out tonight ( Sun )

SUPPORT
As most people are aware we are now giving
Support on the Phone and Tickets for the UK.
As per the website that support is from
9.00am - 8.00pm Mon - Fri and 9.00am - 1.00pm Sat
Tel 0844 556 7200 Please do NOT call my mobile
or e-mail me for support issues please
Whenyou call support you are obliged to give
our staff your username and real name so that
we can locate you in the software. If you are not
prepared to do that your call will be ended.
We have also had people calling with terrible
attitudes and for the same reason if you do that
the call will be ended. I have been SHOCKED by all
this from people in the UK. Canada told us that the
worst calls they got was from the UK and I regret
that I will have to agree with them ( Sad )"

My attitude is "terrible" when somebody is stealing my money

EagleOne
09-23-2012, 04:45 PM
Now that is a real confidence builder and motivator to blame the members for all your problems. Page 2 of the Ponzi playbook says when all else fails blame the members.

noname999
09-23-2012, 04:47 PM
Sad thing is, IF the payments do go out tonight, the cheerleaders will be back in force, oblivious to the warning they have just got.

Joe_Shmoe
09-23-2012, 05:44 PM
Jamie has some advice for Ian Driscoll
1628
My guess is furious

Joe_Shmoe
09-23-2012, 05:57 PM
Now that is a real confidence builder and motivator to blame the members for all your problems. Page 2 of the Ponzi playbook says when all else fails blame the members.

The investors/victims are spoken to like children on the TalkingBB forums

Whip
09-23-2012, 06:35 PM
Any truth in this? from MMG? What are they saying on Talking BigBollocks?
If this is what they are saying, it looks like a desperate attempt at an excuse not to pay out. (Gotta sort the "hackers" out first)
1625

That excuse is about right on cue given the progress of events thus far.

Whip
09-23-2012, 06:47 PM
Information posted by Ian Driscoll in skype room regarding payments and uk support.

[20:35:49] -- Ian Driscoll --: INFORMATION
I have been speaking with Chris and he tells me
that the payments will go out tonight ( Sun )

SUPPORT
As most people are aware we are now giving
Support on the Phone and Tickets for the UK.
As per the website that support is from
9.00am - 8.00pm Mon - Fri and 9.00am - 1.00pm Sat
Tel 0844 556 7200 Please do NOT call my mobile
or e-mail me for support issues please
Whenyou call support you are obliged to give
our staff your username and real name so that
we can locate you in the software. If you are not
prepared to do that your call will be ended.
We have also had people calling with terrible
attitudes and for the same reason if you do that
the call will be ended. I have been SHOCKED by all
this from people in the UK. Canada told us that the
worst calls they got was from the UK and I regret
that I will have to agree with them ( Sad )"

My attitude is "terrible" when somebody is stealing my money

And then on to blaming the members already. They have to learn to pace themselves. lol. This one wasn't due for at least a week.

littleroundman
09-24-2012, 02:03 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/bbmmg1_zps75a73651.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/bbmmg2_zpsc61186ca.jpg

Banners Broker thread, MoneyMakerGroup HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&pid=7240860&st=3720#entry7240860)

littleroundman
09-24-2012, 03:05 AM
HeHe,

When even the players on the HYIP ponzi forums start admitting it, any new money going into these things is G-O-N-E to the great piggybank in the sky.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/seen_zps9349d812.jpg

Banners Broker thread, Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4908118&postcount=863)

Poyol
09-24-2012, 03:13 AM
So, I was called an idiot for calling BB a scam.
:duh:

noname999
09-24-2012, 03:39 AM
Does this thread show up on a google search at all?

littleroundman
09-24-2012, 03:48 AM
Does this thread show up on a google search at all?

I've just changed the thread title to: "banners broker hyip ponzi scam" which shows up on the first page of Google using that search term and will show up using any combination of those words even more after a couple more days of being search engine spider crawled.

noname999
09-24-2012, 03:54 AM
I've just changed the thread title to: "banners broker hyip ponzi scam" which shows up on the first page of Google using that search term and will show up using any combination of those words even more after a couple more days of being search engine spider crawled.

Great, thanks. Very few seem to know about this thread. there was a large viewership on the other site. just want this to have the same.

Poyol
09-24-2012, 04:24 AM
Banners Broker Scam in action ! | (http://hyip-blog-investment-monitor.com/2012/09/16/banners-broker-scam-in-action/) <-- Nice link.

Dreamstealer
09-24-2012, 05:55 AM
Banners Broker Scam in action ! | (http://hyip-blog-investment-monitor.com/2012/09/16/banners-broker-scam-in-action/) <-- Nice link.

Interesting article. Exposes a lot of these people for what they are- opportunistic crooks who know its a ponzi but don't care. Morals don't exist for these guys.

on Scum.com there was a posting from an "expert" who said he spent 5 days looking through the records in Canada and advised his friend to put everything he had into the scam, sorry scheme as it was the best product in the financial markets.
1. Poor advice, eggs, baskets etc
2. A world expert with unprecedented access to the records thinks it is an investment? not a trade? has anyone got the phone number of the SEC.
Of course points above are irrelevant as the chance of the expert being real are the same as me being the Easter Bunny.

Soapboxmom- love the Jesus thing. Loved reading posts here and on the other site that doesn't believe in free speech.

Whip
09-24-2012, 06:31 AM
Banners Broker Scam in action ! | (http://hyip-blog-investment-monitor.com/2012/09/16/banners-broker-scam-in-action/) <-- Nice link.

Just another scammer trying to pry money from people for themself:


Long story short : these programs are circulating money from members to members. No new money is created. It goes without saying that I’m not referring to pure scams in which not even a single member wins.

They are ALL pure scams plain and simple. There is no gray area like this assclown tries to portray.

noname999
09-24-2012, 08:47 AM
Live support is going down due to the number of complaints raised by people regarding lack of payment. And yet, the lemmings still continue towards the cliff...

Poyol
09-24-2012, 08:51 AM
"There are too many reports of something that we've told you to report -- so, what we'll do is turn off the reporting feature!"

scratchycat
09-24-2012, 09:18 AM
Like I said though, if it ever actually did get to court I'd end up having to represent myself!

I just want to add that when I first started here at RS, I was threatened because I was helping expose a website that I had been a member of for several years. It was the first time in my life of being threatened to be sued and it was frightening. However, this group here in RS helped me out and we got through it but it was an ongoing word battle for a long time. No going to court though for anyone involved.

Poyol
09-24-2012, 09:22 AM
I'm going to be here for a long while ... don't you worry about that.

Hopefully I'll get a reputation as good as you guys at helping to stop scams!

Jason

laidback
09-24-2012, 09:48 AM
So, I was called an idiot for calling BB a scam.
:duh:

Calling any crook a crook will generally elicit that response...or worse!

noname999
09-24-2012, 10:19 AM
Question for you Poyol. I see on some of the forums that people are trying to sell on their panels. Is this allowed under BB's T&C?
Its quite obvious that they are trying to get whatever money they can in a last gasp as they see the end coming but just wondering if BB could freeze accounts because of it. Thoughts?

Poyol
09-24-2012, 10:21 AM
BannersBroker (http://bannersbroker.com/main/termsandconditions)

5. An Affiliate may dispose of, transfer, or otherwise assign his/her/its organization assets in any manner allowed by applicable law (including sale, gift, or bequest) with the prior written consent of the company, which will not unreasonably be withheld, and with written approval from its immediate referrer. Any assets that take the form of claims to compensation or satisfaction of contractual obligations, from or by the company, will not be recognized as assets of the transferee on the company records until written notification of the transfer has been received and has gained approval. The organization transfer is subject to all remedial measures under the agreement that may have arisen prior to the transfer.

So it's allowed within Banners Broker T&Cs

Jason

littleroundman
09-24-2012, 10:22 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/scam1_zps01cf8390.jpg

Banners Broker thread, Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310809&page=88)

littleroundman
09-24-2012, 11:07 AM
WOOHOO !!

The excuses from the Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam are coming thick and fast now:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/bb_zps726bd51f.jpg

Banners Broker thread, MMG HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&view=findpost&p=7241577#entry7241577)

Poyol
09-24-2012, 11:22 AM
Upon reading that I nearly rolled from my chair with laughter.

I wonder how everyone is in TalkingBB.

noname999
09-24-2012, 11:23 AM
Still waving the banners of course. The emperor's clothes are looking splendid today!

Poyol
09-24-2012, 11:24 AM
Still waving the banners of course. The emperor's clothes are looking splendid today!

I forget, it's not TalkingBB any more -- it's AdvertsGalore! :)

littleroundman
09-24-2012, 11:43 AM
It's "something" galore.

I wouldn't have said it was "adverts" though

Poyol
09-24-2012, 11:45 AM
Yet there are still some poor folk believing it's a legitimate business!

Char
09-24-2012, 12:15 PM
Of course they're trackable.

The question is more along the lines of "why would anyone bother?"

In the grand scheme of things, Banners Broker is a relatively small player.

Remembering that in smaller HYIP ponzis, a great deal of the money is gone already, paid out to the players and covering "expenses"

It's only the "next big thing" HYIP ponzi games such as ASD and Zeek where there's millions to be recovered.

Where's the cost benefit to the authorities ??

The people behind these frauds are usually pros at what they do.

Unlike the U.S. based ASD and Zeek, they're designed to be virtually untraceable.

Real names aren't used EVER, multiple unregulated offshore banks and payment processors are the norm, which is why money laundering figures in charges should they ever be brought

It would cost millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of man hours to track down every one of the 1000 or so HYIP ponzi games currently on the pages of Talkgold and MMG, to what end ??

The only protection against these things is to keep away from them.

Just like with Nigerian and/or Eastern European email scammers, once the money is gone, it's GONE.

Just keep on annoying the second and third tier enablers, it's just as much fun.


I wish that victims would start a class action against some of the local promoters like the Manchester fellow. Until the lower tier becomes concerned about the legal implications for inviting others into these programs, the scams will continue.

For example, a friend of mine put in 15k with ASD under these local folks who ran meeting after meeting and acted like big shots around town. My disdain for them is not because they were also duped by Andy Bowdoin, but that they have continued to promote other scams such as Narcthatcar, GobalVerge, and more. Everyone is entitled to make a mistake and be ignorant, but at what point do they become scammers themselves? Had I been stupid enough to give ASD my money, I would have looked to sue these folks as a matter of principle. Poyol, perhaps you can collect enough names to take that guy who keeps threatening you to court under a civil class action suit, not for the threats, but for squandering other people's money.

I believe this is the only way to stop the chain - Make people afraid of investing in fear of "clawbacks" or lawsuits against their good name. In fact, I would be chomping at the bit to have that promoter take you to court as stated by the experienced posters here like SBM, LRM and EagleOne etc.. Don't give up the fight poyol!!

Poyol
09-24-2012, 12:23 PM
Class action legislation doesn't exist in UK law, I don't think?

JordanBright
09-24-2012, 12:34 PM
are there no people from canda in this post?
it seems that the one and only Chris Smith will be in the events in canda that will take place from sep 18 to 30 of oct, you can get a seat for free if you like
https://bannersbroker-weekly-tues.eventbrite.com/

maybe even take a pic of him, you can get a lot of money for a picture of Chris Smith!

Whip
09-24-2012, 01:13 PM
BannersBroker (http://bannersbroker.com/main/termsandconditions)

5. An Affiliate may dispose of, transfer, or otherwise assign his/her/its organization assets in any manner allowed by applicable law (including sale, gift, or bequest) with the prior written consent of the company, which will not unreasonably be withheld, and with written approval from its immediate referrer. Any assets that take the form of claims to compensation or satisfaction of contractual obligations, from or by the company, will not be recognized as assets of the transferee on the company records until written notification of the transfer has been received and has gained approval. The organization transfer is subject to all remedial measures under the agreement that may have arisen prior to the transfer.

So it's allowed within Banners Broker T&Cs

Jason

They don't want to deal with 'support issues'...they're certainly not going to write out an approval letter for every scammer.

Whip
09-24-2012, 01:16 PM
WOOHOO !!

The excuses from the Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam are coming thick and fast now:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/bb_zps726bd51f.jpg

Banners Broker thread, MMG HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&view=findpost&p=7241577#entry7241577)

They forgot this at the bottom:

justbeenpaid©

noname999
09-24-2012, 02:04 PM
Things heating up nicely on moneymakergroup. I am really beginning to wonder about some of these drones. Can they really be that stupid or are they all scamming?

EagleOne
09-24-2012, 03:56 PM
Things heating up nicely on moneymakergroup. I am really beginning to wonder about some of these drones. Can they really be that stupid or are they all scamming?

They are all scamming and they don't care as long as they get theirs; plus they are all that stupid too.

noname999
09-24-2012, 03:57 PM
Pure scum then

JVNB
09-24-2012, 04:07 PM
are there no people from canda in this post?
it seems that the one and only Chris Smith will be in the events in canda that will take place from sep 18 to 30 of oct, you can get a seat for free if you like
https://bannersbroker-weekly-tues.eventbrite.com/

maybe even take a pic of him, you can get a lot of money for a picture of Chris Smith!

I'm in Canada, I might be able to make it to the October 30th one.

noname999
09-24-2012, 04:17 PM
If you can, that would be great. We should prepare a list of questions to ask. In private of course. We don't want them preparing lies ahead of time!

EagleOne
09-24-2012, 04:19 PM
Things heating up nicely on moneymakergroup. I am really beginning to wonder about some of these drones. Can they really be that stupid or are they all scamming?

Who are blockbuster and theblackknight? Are they brothers because they sure sound like it? Always having to defend each other. Ask one a question and the other immediately jumps in to answer, and vice-a-versa. These guys don't drink the Kook-Aid, they take it intravenously 24/7.

noname999
09-24-2012, 04:24 PM
HaHa, very true. They are different people though. BB seems to be in way deeper than BK. BK has been conned into it and is now sweating over all the money he dumped. Its totally personally. Much more of a smell of a scammer from BB. He is definitely doing his best to trap others.

JordanBright
09-24-2012, 06:21 PM
I'm in Canada, I might be able to make it to the October 30th one.

Great, if they will still be online by that time grab a ticket and go and find Chris Smith

EagleOne
09-24-2012, 07:27 PM
Seems a mod has had enough and closed the thread at MMG. Not sure how long it will be closed, but my guess is a couple of hours to let people cool-off a little.

laidback
09-24-2012, 07:30 PM
Seems a mod has had enough and closed the thread at MMG. Not sure how long it will be closed, but my guess is a couple of hours to let people cool-off a little.
Yeah, Yippee is in there sorting out all the vitriol from TheBlackNighty and friends...!

laidback
09-24-2012, 09:13 PM
As I suspected:
1630
Thread is still closed for now.

Dreamstealer
09-25-2012, 01:58 AM
Hi,
I have $5m worth of panels for sale. Will swap for a dose of valium or a cardboard box under a bridge.

Actually feel sorry for most of the victims who just let greed kill their common sense. The scammers deserve a kicking though. Hope someone goes for them.

littleroundman
09-25-2012, 02:04 AM
Hi,
I have $5m worth of panels for sale. Will swap for a dose of valium or a cardboard box under a bridge.

a WHOLE cardboard box ???

Your price is way, way too high.

Poyol
09-25-2012, 03:44 AM
Anyone played any Zynga games that you can 'premium items' on?
It's more fun than Banners Broker -- AND you own just about as much!

(I've never bought Zynga games items; but I do have a point!)

JordanBright
09-25-2012, 06:33 AM
Don't know if you seen it yet but that pops up when you login -


http://i.imgur.com/Tgrp4.png

Poyol
09-25-2012, 06:36 AM
The end is nigh!

littleroundman
09-25-2012, 07:03 AM
Please note all withdraw requests done through SolidTrustPay or Payza from September 13th - 25th will be reversed

Nothing like a little bit of daylight robbery to inspire people to send off new money, is there ??

Desperadoes only for this dog, now, methinks.

noname999
09-25-2012, 07:47 AM
The end is nigh!

You'd think so, wouldn't you? Problem is, we are not dealing with people who have common sense. Also, we are dealing with people poisoned by greed. There is some time to go in this yet.

JordanBright
09-25-2012, 08:15 AM
It's not the end yet, they are testing how much time will people blindly follow them without asking any questions.. and it's working.

Poyol
09-25-2012, 08:34 AM
You'd think so, wouldn't you? Problem is, we are not dealing with people who have common sense. Also, we are dealing with people poisoned by greed. There is some time to go in this yet.

HEY! I signed up; I don't appreciate those comments! ;)

I know I'm an idiot for believing there was a pot of gold that I could keep doubling, I was just hoping and oblivious to what it really was!

Jason

noname999
09-25-2012, 09:04 AM
Yeah, but you copped on fairly quickly. Its those who still believe, or worse those who pretend to believe to suck others in. They are the type we are dealing with.

noname999
09-25-2012, 09:43 AM
Maybe I'm doing something wrong but when I put in a search for 'Banners broker scam', this site doesn't show up for the first 10 pages.(I didn't check any further). Am I missing something?

littleroundman
09-25-2012, 09:57 AM
Maybe I'm doing something wrong but when I put in a search for 'Banners broker scam', this site doesn't show up for the first 10 pages.(I didn't check any further). Am I missing something?

HeHe, welcome to the world of HYIP ponzis, my friend.

Something you'll soon learn is that the very first thing HYIPponzi scammers and their friends do is flood the 'net with that term "HYIP dujour scam"

As you've probably realized by now, all 10 pages of search results are more than likely poorly disguised referral or advertising pages FOR Banners Broker.

It's simple psychology.

The first thing newbies are going to search for when doing their "due diligence" is "Banners Broker scam" or "HYIP du jour scam" and NOBODY is going to wade through 10 pages or more looking for some evidence disproving what the hundreds of pimps and shills are saying IN that 10 pages.

Happens every time.

noname999
09-25-2012, 10:06 AM
Is there anything that can be done to help get around this? I know that we have our issues with scam.com but they do seem to get higher in the rankings than here. Any particular reason for this you think?

surfer
09-25-2012, 10:17 AM
Is there anything that can be done to help get around this? I know that we have our issues with scam.com but they do seem to get higher in the rankings than here. Any particular reason for this you think?
They've been around longer.

This thread is on page 2 of the SERPs for banners broker scam and it is higher on page 2 than it was a day or so ago. The change in title of this thread has not been indexed yet either.

littleroundman
09-25-2012, 10:26 AM
Time.

And the fact it hasn't been a high priority here YET

More activity over a longer period of time = higher search rankings.

IM(very)HO the signs are already there that, for whatever reason, deposits have slowed sufficiently for Banners Broker to be in genuine trouble "paying",

If REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) has contributed to that occurring, I'll be content.

littleroundman
09-25-2012, 10:47 AM
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There are 600 sites with a better three-month global Alexa traffic rank than Bannersbroker.com. While approximately 24% of the site's visitors are in Russia, where it is ranked #78, it is also popular in Kazakhstan, where it is ranked #33. Compared with all internet users, this site appeals more to users who browse from home; its audience also tends to consist of African Americans and men over the age of 35 who are not college graduates and have more children. The fraction of visits to it referred by search engines is approximately 2%. The time spent in a typical visit to Bannersbroker.com is about fifteen minutes, with 40 seconds spent on each pageview. Show Less (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bannersbroker.com#)

noname999
09-25-2012, 10:54 AM
Thanks guys. Seems we have a bit of work to do!

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09-25-2012, 11:33 AM
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Aug 8, 2012 – This so-called Banners Broker Scam may be the most shocking we have ever seen thanks to owners Kul Josan and Chris Smith.




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www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2_OzM10K6UAug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2_OzM10K6UAug) 4, 2012 - 46 sec - Uploaded by unitedloveall1
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May 20, 2012 – Banners Broker is Locking Members Account and Stealing all of the funds, with no explanation, no reason...SCAM? Click HERE to read more.


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noname999
09-25-2012, 12:33 PM
Excellent. Thats great. I am noticing a pick up in traffic to the thread too I think.

Joe_Shmoe
09-25-2012, 12:40 PM
Are the Banners Broker victims essentially trapped?

They are forced to pay $15 or $100 if they go "PRO" :RpS_lol: pro that's a laugh!
As it seems to be pretty difficult to withdraw any money from Banners Broker, are you forced to keep paying the ransom, as they seem to be holding
their victims money hostage.

What happens if the stop paying the $15 or $100 monthly ransom?

What do they need to do to get all their money out? Is it even possible?

noname999
09-25-2012, 12:44 PM
You can't get all the money out. Only a drip feed. Thats why it hasn't collapsed yet. That and the fact that people believe the rubbish about leaving the 'money' in the account 'grow'.
It has been quite effective for keeping the ponzi going. But all these things crash in the end, and we are seeing the signs of it now.

noname999
09-25-2012, 04:16 PM
Just a thought: BB has all that personal information about people. Alot of people are convinced that this info will eventually(if it hasn't already) be sold on. This may then be used in identity fraud. Could this latest hacking story be used in the future to claim innocence of something like this?

EagleOne
09-25-2012, 05:20 PM
Just a thought: BB has all that personal information about people. Alot of people are convinced that this info will eventually(if it hasn't already) be sold on. This may then be used in identity fraud. Could this latest hacking story be used in the future to claim innocence of something like this?

It is very possible this is their "cover" story to try to deny culpability of any ID theft. Anyone who is in BB should notify all the credit reporting agencies they may have had their personal information stolen and could possibly be an Identity theft victim. The reporting agencies will tell them what steps they need to take to monitor and protect their identity.

We also have an entire link about identity theft on our website titled: Identity Theft - Who's In Your Wallet. There are several links there to provide you information about Identity Theft and the steps you should take to protect yourself.

EagleOne
09-25-2012, 05:29 PM
Boy, the people in the BB thread at MMG have really ticked off Yippee, the mod. This is the longest I have seen her close a thread in a long time. I really thought it would be back up early this morning, but it is still locked.

There is no doubt she handed out a lot of warnings this time, and if anyone thinks she is kidding about banning people if they don't stay on-topic, think again.

But there are ways to get the pro-BB'ers banned while staying on-topic now that the warning has been given.

littleroundman
09-25-2012, 11:24 PM
Just a thought: BB has all that personal information about people. Alot of people are convinced that this info will eventually(if it hasn't already) be sold on. This may then be used in identity fraud. Could this latest hacking story be used in the future to claim innocence of something like this?

The threat is very real.

There are reports trickling through now of ex Zeek members having up to 32 unauthorized charges made against their Zeek related credit cards and/or payment processor accounts.

The HYIP ponzi arena is well know to be a hotbed of hackers / identity theft / phishing / credit card skimming / database selling.

noname999
09-26-2012, 02:43 AM
The threat is very real.

There are reports trickling through now of ex Zeek members having up to 32 unauthorized charges made against their Zeek related credit cards and/or payment processor accounts.

The HYIP ponzi arena is well know to be a hotbed of hackers / identity theft / phishing / credit card skimming / database selling.

So, the vast majority will lose all their money. If you have by some miracle got into the scam earlier enough and get some money back you have to deal with the stress each month as you wait for weeks for the withdrawal to arrive(if it ever does).
Of course, they have it designed that you can only get a minuscule amount each time and you can never close the account and take what is in it.
After all this you have to worry about clawback of funds that you managed to wrestle back. Of course, by the looks of things, clawback by the authorities may be less of an issue now, as BB are doing their own version of this...the snatchback(a new weapon in their armoury!)

If eventually after all this, you managed to get away from this cesspit relatively unscathed, you have to worry for the next 5 years about identity theft and the money this will cost you....

And yet the drones still cheer and shout that this scam is the best business ever...

God help them...