Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

[baylee]

I have to stop saying, "How stupid can you be?" because too many people are taking it as a challenge.

What utter BS. This is Ponzi speak 101. What is pathetic is that people really will believe all this BS. The old adage "A fool and his money are soon parted" comes to mind here. Loved the ducking of why no payments.

LOL, They take numbers and line up to prove it.

[Mundorf]

OOOPS! for some reason serial Ponzi Pimp Annegrete Krings (https://www.facebook.com/krings1) facebook page has gone.

If nothing else it shows that she has at least half an eye on this forum.

Annegrete Krings - Denmark, networker, team-builder, entrepreneur | about.me (http://about.me/annes)

How To Make Money On Advertising - Business Center (http://www.apsense.com/abc/annegrete)


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A real hunter isn't she,Joe...like a snake jumps out from shelter and madly opens fire on everyone who wants to live..a real life killer.Never say you are not getting paid,she has ALWAYS shotgun ready to fire and she does it with relaxed smile on her face

[Eponymous]

Just to be clear - several thousand people are still paying monthly fees, right?

[Nourjan]

Err...why would you want to speed up videos? Doesn't this make everybody in it sound squeaky and odd? Doesn't it make their movements jerky? Doesn't it just altogether miss the point?

I mean, if you are so short of time, perhaps you could skip watching the video altogether and go and do something more productive instead?

Am I missing something here??

Please, don't tell me that there is some online scheme whereby you can make money (ho ho!) by watching videos online?

Off Topic Note:

To be fair,I watches some videos(movies/shows/serials) at 1.2-1.5 speed(just enough to get the gist of the story and dialogue).I normally used that speed on things which have crappy writing,directing and acting yet still have an interesting enough of a story for me to follow(action and B-grade movies,crime shows etc),never do that to anything that are IMO of better quality.



I never knew I could make money of those. I should sign up under Jamieboy ,I guess:RpS_rolleyes:

[Whip]

I just figured it's a Benny Hill thing.

[baylee]

I just figured it's a Benny Hill thing.

LOL, You're right and there are many benny hill types out there!

[littleroundman]

It's actually probably a good idea if what you are watching is one of the millions of MLM and HYIP ponzi recruitment videos on YouTube.

I mean, how much of Mark Stokes and cronies can you take before medication is necessary ??

[path2prosperity]

It's actually probably a good idea if what you are watching is one of the millions of MLM and HYIP ponzi recruitment videos on YouTube.

I mean, how much of Mark Stokes and cronies can you take before medication is necessary ??

Or you get a bug in your system?

[Beacon]

Financial Services Authority Financial Services Authority (http://www.fsa.gov.uk/)

Yes im aware of them. what I meant is ther is no FSA in Ireland.
The FSRA mainly regulate financial services business but the point is BB arent a real ad brokerage they are a fake business. If for example BB claimed to be a bank then they would come under FSRA but if they had not set themselves up aps a bank in the first place FSRA would probably refer them back to the fraud squad or CAB. thats mu naive view anyway. It does not seem to be under the remit of the central bank. A bit like the UK fraud squad referring BB to the Bank of England enforcement and regulation division for example or the local police referring suspected terrorist attacks on airplanes to the civil aviation authority instead of special Branch.


LOL im reminded of the monty python PFJ sketch and the IRA who who were originally the IRB Irish Republican Brotherhood and then now there was the Official OIRA ( with their Political branch official Sinn Fein then changed to Sinn Fein the Workers Party) the Provisional IRA ( with their Provisional Sinn Fein who remained that and then later split into Republican sinn Fein when the main element of the Provisionals droped the word and became just Sinn fein but decided to give up IRA activity and call a ceasefire) the rest of the small number of Provisional IRA who continued to fight split in to "Continuation" and "real" so you nowadays have CIRA and RIRA who are still at war and PIRA on ceasefire.

You migthbe wondering "What happened to OIRA" Well they went into forging bank notes and robbiong banks and war against PIRA in the early seventies. They later dropped the SF and just became The Workers Party - who in the late seventies and early eighties were more bolchie and trostksist than Michael Foot. when the UK Labour went mainstream the Irish version took their time and renamed to Democratic Left then New agenda and eventually the few who were left joined the Irish Labour party suddenly becoming "Social democrats" and ended up taking over that party and are now currently government ministers inculding the deputy Prime minister and Foreign affairs Minister
Eamon Gilmore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eamon_Gilmore)

Many people discuss the history of Gerry Adams but few discuss Gilmore.
In any case Im just struck at the similarly of scammers just moving on the the next iteration seems to have many parallels with political movements whether fictional like the Judean Peoples Front or real like the Workers Party.

[Mundorf]

On BB facebook voodoo page,the BB official liar has unpleasant situation.Members almost saying freely - BB IS SCAM :

Tanya Chanel Taylor - I heard BB is bankrupt and the owners are just stringing people along. Mass payouts = 50 if that... And I wonder if after the "blackout" will the site even come back up...

Filipe M. Monteiro Neves - With the end of TP, will be the end of BB.
You can't expect that people invest2/3 hours a day to get $100/$200 a month... and that is if BB pays...
Counting 7 months now

Neelam Singh - they just speak not do,this is called BB.

[Beacon]

Here's my UPDATE on the hearing.


Once I have the date of the hearing I will post it here.


How come the judge didnt ask the clerk in open court and announce a date there and then?

I need clear factual proof that BB is a scam.


Would this include the list of companies who have no assets when BB is claiming 400,000 affiliates and we can assume a nominal value of 400k x $10 a month is coming in just to keep people registered if the number of affiliates they claim is true. If the affiliates are at thet number and investing thousands then the accounts should show billions or at least hundreds of millions. Virtual accounts do show this but no actual company or bank account shows any money. Meanwhile Stepsys is producing personal cheques for million. While he probably can be shown only collecting from his downline he can be cited as a spoecific case of a broader scam.



That people are not getting paid by it (in my case BB won't ever approve my ID, so I can't withdraw anyway), that Simon has been getting paid directly by the heads of the scam and had vip relationship with them due to being the main head/promoter in the UK.


He will claim they didnt pay him but this goes back into "they" not existing as a proper legal entity. He certainly can be shown claiming to have made money from this and other scams. So what was he selling? and how does he show BB is a legitimate business. If it isn't -and it isnt - then he is falsely representing something he knows he cant show to be a true business.


Also find more people who paid money directly into his bank account so that they can attend the hearing as witnesses and so that we can get them their money back as well (it might happen even on that same hearing).


Legally this may be akin to "class action" which does not exist under UK law AFAIK. However you can effectively do the same thing by calling the rest of the scammed people as witness or providing statements from them by which i mean verified sworn affidavits . You could make up a template and have each witness print it out add in their own values and names and have a commissioner for oaths sign their sworn version.



Who's with the BB/Simon Fightback Team? :D Let's do this together. Do all you can to bring me the clear evidences (factual ones) that can be proven and more victims. I'll do the same.

how about lists of fake companies or empty ones? But they might not list Stepsys just outline BB as a scam.

[marsh56]

Just to be clear - several thousand people are still paying monthly fees, right?
Yes, any affiliate who still has an account has the fees taken each month automatically. Before long, many accounts will go negative. At that point, the account is basically dead unless new money is added.

Of course, it is clear this is intentional on the part of Smiffy to reduce his "liabilities".

Mark

[ribshaw]

Serial failed scam promoter Al Sills chimes in, Banners Broker is the real deal since a few inconsequential payments were made and he MET with Chris Smith. Not Banners Broker has showed him audited financial statements, bank account balances, major customers buying all these pretendy ads. Nope, just Chris Smith paid people not really 3 weeks late as he mentions in the video 2:20m BUT over a year LATE, by any real standard.

Alan.Sills is either incompetent, or knows he is pushing a scam and stilling putting on the happy face to give his victims the brush off. No business talk, just happy talk in my opinion always a bad sign. If you are on his "team" I would think small claims court is the place to be if you ever hope to see a penny back from Banners Broker. But maybe the folks at the bank will give you a loan against this video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltPRHq0UgBU

[Mundorf]

Serial failed scam promoter Al Sills chimes in, Banners Broker is the real deal since a few inconsequential payments were made and he MET with Chris Smith. Not Banners Broker has showed him audited financial statements, bank account balances, major customers buying all these pretendy ads. Nope, just Chris Smith paid people not really 3 weeks late as he mentions in the video 2:20m BUT over a year LATE, by any real standard.

Alan.Sills is either incompetent, or knows he is pushing a scam and stilling putting on the happy face to give his victims the brush off. No business talk, just happy talk in my opinion always a bad sign. If you are on his "team" I would think small claims court is the place to be if you ever hope to see a penny back from Banners Broker. But maybe the folks at the bank will give you a loan against this video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltPRHq0UgBU

Incompetence - pushing scam - happy face triangle is exactly the right and beloved formula scam market (followers) needs to feed ever lasting condition called HOPE..it might be strange but I think Alan does the right thing in the right moment on the right way - the product is HOPE,the market are VICTIMS...any other approach would cost him the loss of the market

[Mundorf]

Sorry guys,I couldn't resist..the new star on BB face book circus..she is not just one more sheep..or at least not like others :

Maria Alex - Every day brings more bad changes of v3! Horrible, what they do! And now BB block all affiliates with critical statements! Bravo BB! unbelievable this company!!! Only promised, no work, no payouts. You think, the affiliates are happy because of your changes?? No respect for critical statements and not real answers. Only later, later and later.....

On the BB answer that BB was not bankrupt,another Lady fired only possible logical conclusion :

Tanya Chanel Taylor - As if you would admit it if it were true.( bravoooo Tanya) Lol we shall see what happens. And nobody I know, or they know have been paid since March last year. But since the payouts are larger than 50 people, why not let us know how many people are paid in each payout run???

[EagleOne]

Demiancaceres:

First I want to applaud you for the action you are taking against Simon. But I want to give you my perspective on your situation.

You have asked for help in your case from participants here, and you have received excellent advice and glad to see you following most of it. If I were you, I would go back and begin on page 1 of this thread and read all the way through. You see 99% of the information you are requesting is already here in this thread. You now have time to research this thread on your own to find all of it. There are quotes, videos, and documented information that proves your case against Simon, and it is all right here. Why are you asking us to get it for you? If it were me, I would be doing this myself and grateful that all the information has already been provided to me in one location.

There is another thread in the "Other" section that has Terry Stern trying to defend BB is a legitimate business and he falls flat on his face, but his statements are pure gold for you to use in your case against Simon. Then if you have any further questions, I am sure all of us would be glad to help you with the answers, at least to the best of our ability.

Don't misunderstand, I do know why you asked for our help initially as time was short for your court hearing. But now you have the time to read through this thread and obtain all the information you need for your next court appearance. And best of luck with your next court hearing.

[path2prosperity]

[B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Demiancaceres:

First I want to applaud you for the action you are taking against Simon. But I want to give you my perspective on your situation.

You have asked for help in your case from participants here, and you have received excellent advice and glad to see you following most of it. If I were you, I would go back and begin on page 1 of this thread and read all the way through. You see 99% of the information you are requesting is already here in this thread.

Doing as Eagle advised is a daunting task "Demiancaceres." It takes a special brand of person to be able to abstract data at high speed and influence others on the basis of facts alone. I learned how to identify a person with these skills when I did industrial psychometric profiling.

If any member here has worked for the metropolitan police they have all been tested with the same system on which I was trained to identify people most likely to posess these skills. It is a case of getting help from the right members here. WHO? I can not pick up any clues as to which members here would fit the bill. It is certainly not my type and it is not a person who is particularly voluble.

The right type of person to separate the nitty gritty from the emotional froth was often selected to work on airline emergency hotlines and to get accident and emergency crews briefed. He or she is a fairly rare animal.

The person who fits this bill will be clever but not one who makes "clever clogs jokes."

[HARRISON]

It seems the Leaders Call has now been cancelled as there has been a 'leak' of some information? Whatever that means lol.
But rest assured everybody that Chris won't release V3 until the affiiates and advisory board are happy with it!

[Demiancaceres]

Hey everyone, here are answer to some questions and also what I am intending to do in the next days.

Beacon ;)


How come the judge didnt ask the clerk in open court and announce a date there and then?

I need to send the particulars of claim. He gave me 3 weeks for that while Simon has 14 days to file in a proper defense.
And then the date of hearing will be set.

Yes please if you can give me that list of empty companies that prove BB as a scam, that would be awesome.

Eagle


You have asked for help in your case from participants here, and you have received excellent advice and glad to see you following most of it. If I were you, I would go back and begin on page 1 of this thread and read all the way through. You see 99% of the information you are requesting is already here in this thread.

Yes I am asking for help to the community cause I guess this is NOT a One Man Show anymore. If it was I would be sending an email to Simon telling him clearly all the facts I have and what I will be gathering and WHO I will be contacting with before the main hearing so that he knows that he has no chance of winning and I would say to him that I give him a second chance to settle this as gentlemen now before this becomes a nightmare for him financially and criminally.

I am going for so many evidences and uniting so many people he is definitely very stupid not to have contacted me already to settle it prior to the hearing. Any smart person would try to get out now before it becomes dark as he should know it will (commons sense)

I believe that we all want Simon in jail and paying back all people he (IMO) scammed directly. So I know that me being new to the forum and many on this thread knowing it completely and having followed it from the beginning...they are way better candidates for that task (as pathprosperity said).

I also have a business to run so that might be too much for me to do alone. I prefer to team up and help each other (and the rest of scammed people) by fighting united and creating a precedent case so that others can get their money back as well.

I hope you agree that us all working together is better for the WHOLE not just me.
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Now to the point of what I am gonna do next is:

1) Contact the office of fair trading and informing them that Simon is not fulfilling the promise he made of not running scams and doing any misleading advertising.
2) Contact local news
3) Contact other people who have also been recruited directly by him and also sent money directly to him. Run my ads on FB again.
4) Get a solicitor.
5) Get more evidences*

*The more the better about BB being a scam, just in case they need proof in court that it's indeed a scam, although with showing that I haven't been paid, the case is won already cause he did misleading advertising and we have proof of that already in FB and skype conversations. I have a skype conference recorded with him where I have proof to really get him in trouble for Tax Evasion (he really doesn't know where he's getting in). It will be a no brainer for the judge after they see with what type of person they are dealing and what happened and the other identical cases I already have. One of them lives in Manchester, so this is turning the way he never expected it to turn and Simon CAN'T prove that it's a real business nor can he prove that anyone is earning money now.

As said, we have more people and I will run my ads again to get more people to join forces with my case. There MUST be more out there in UK who could attend court and who want to fight.

I know I am not the only one even though I've been the only one fighting back like this for now..More will join now!

[littleroundman]

Just a thought.

I believe you mentioned you had dealt with Stepsys in the first instance and had, in fact, transferred money directly to him on the understanding he would buy you into Banners Broker.

Is there a paper trail documenting what actually occurred ??

What sort of "proof" has Stepsys provided as to what really occurred ??

Purely as an aside, and without implying it is what has happened in this case, one of the early signs of a dying ponzi fraud is when insiders begin recouping some of their losses by accepting payments directly from others and bypassing the "system"

This then makes it more difficult for the victim to provide the level of proof required to reclaim his / her money.

* Where did the money end up ??

* Is it receipted ?

* Did the intermediary actually pass the money on to the company ??

* Who is going to pay to trace the money trail ??

* Who has paid the taxation ??

* What proof is there the transaction actually took place ??

* What proof is there the transfer of money was for the purpose claimed by the sender ??

* Does the sender have the resources and "stickability" to pursue this new wrinkle ??

I don't think any long time observer of the HYIP ponzi fraud "industry" would have been at all surprised when information began to leak out that Banners Broker "insiders" had begun to accept money directly and that Banners Broker itself was turning a blind eye to the practice.

[ribshaw]

Now to the point of what I am gonna do next is:

4) Get a solicitor.
5) Get more evidences*


Demian, glad to see you are taking action against a serial scam pusher like Stepsys, wish more people would do the same against all these hacks. In the States this site is a good reference. Everybody's Guide to Small Claims Court - Legal Books - Nolo (http://www.nolo.com/products/everybodys-guide-to-small-claims-court-nscc.html)

Since you are overseas, and I don't have long distance at my house you will have to find the equivalent on your side of the pond. That is if you have not already located similar references. Away from the scam side of things, my two cents...

Simon holds himself out to be a internet marketing expert, use that to your advantage to present to the court that he is an "expert". This means he either knew or should have known that Banners Broker is a scam. While there is no professional licensing to call yourself "internet marketer", see if you can find any local case law where business consultants or similar were sued successfully for negligence or fraud. (Always good for reference and ideas) Anything where he holds himself out to be an expert that YOU can rely on and trust. A few pictures of the massive checks probably wouldn't hurt, but serious marketing stuff boy wonder has put out. You weren't dealing with some back bencher like Jamie Waters, this guy knows the ropes. Using his own words and marketing material makes it damn difficult for him to shrug things off like Barney Fife and claim he was duped.

Make sure you have all of YOUR ducks in a row as far as communication with Simon. Did you follow his instructions on how to be a BB success story like him? You put in $11,000 how much is your account worth after doing what he told you to do? Screen shots, emails etc. He blew you off and told you to contact corporate, that he was just an affiliate. Did you? Have all that documented. While we all know it is all bullshit, don't let Simon's attorney paint you as a naysayer or someone who did not do what he was told.

Regarding a solicitor, I would strongly suggest consulting with one. If you choose to represent yourself there are going to be several legal questions to suss out beforehand. One thing I suspect is any contract/agreement you have with Banners Broker is null and void since it is a criminal enterprise. BUT, it has not been adjudicated as such. Breach of contract on their end may void the contract as well. I would want to know where that leaves you legally speaking before it is brought up in court by Simon's attorney. (Again case law can help you in this area).

As Beacon and a few others have alluded hiring an attorney is very expensive. If you can find someone that will represent you for 30% of the $11,000 assuming such arrangements are available that may be worth consideration. The other side of making a few attorney calls is you will get a flavor for what the attorneys think of the merit of your case. If you have attorneys that do collection work, they may be a good place to start looking.

In my mind Simon is a good target for a hungry attorney as he should have $11,000 sitting around and this should be able to be wrapped up in less than a day. BUT, they have a good feel for this and may highlight potential problems. Assuming you have contingency available (where attorney gets paid only if they collect) go that route. If you can't find an attorney to do it on contingency, use that as a message to evaluate your strategy. Like finding more people to go after Simon for a larger amount of money.

For my American Friends, small claims court of $5000, represent yourself, then use some nasty attorney to collect the funds if necessary. I don't know of any court you will see from the inside using an attorney for $5000 or $10,000 in the US.

From there, thanks to the hard work of lots of folks, anyone with a lick of sense can see Banners Broker is a scamy scam.

[path2prosperity]

* Banners Broker has turned its' toes up

* Rippln is on life support

* People have woken up to the fact imarketslive, in true pyramid scheme fashion only benefits those at the top of the pyramid

* Flexkom may as well fold up its' tents and go home



That is the news that we like to hear. Congratulations to those who had a part in the downfall of these scams.

[path2prosperity]

Hey everyone, here are answer to some questions and also what I am intending to do in the next days.

Get a solicitor.


Demian. There is a post about the way these serial scammers will try to get a third party to find a solicitor to act in their defence and appear bona fide. Jill Bachman and Maurice Bernier were serial ponzi promoters. The owner of the forum where they pimped their wares found a top class and extremely expensive solicitor to write to me and say he was bringing a libel action against me and RS for gross libel against Jill Bachman and Maurice Bernier. The forum owner was not lilly white. He was a porn and ponzi promoter whose best selling products were women's dirty knickers.

When you get your solicitor, do point out that Stepsys could use somebody who would appear to be lilly white to write letters on the scammers' behalf. See post 263 on the RS Donald Alan Kerman thread for an interesting precedent of how they try to fool top class law firms.
(http://www.realscam.com/f24/donald-alan-kernan-jr-dreamertopia-challenges-realscam-2771/index11.html)
These two serial scammers, Jill Bachman and Maurice Bernier were the pimps. The forum owner not the pimps thought he could sue me and RS on behalf of the pimps

[Beacon]

Yes please if you can give me that list of empty companies that prove BB as a scam, that would be awesome.

Ill send a PM



Yes I am asking for help to the community cause I guess this is NOT a One Man Show anymore.
Great to see you take the case but I have to remind people that "class action" does not exist in UK law.

[Ken Roklin]

Demian, glad to see you are taking action against a serial scam pusher like Stepsys, wish more people would do the same against all these hacks. In the States this site is a good reference. Everybody's Guide to Small Claims Court - Legal Books - Nolo (http://www.nolo.com/products/everybodys-guide-to-small-claims-court-nscc.html)

For my American Friends, small claims court of $5000, represent yourself, then use some nasty attorney to collect the funds if necessary. I don't know of any court you will see from the inside using an attorney for $5000 or $10,000 in the US.

From there, thanks to the hard work of lots of folks, anyone with a lick of sense can see Banners Broker is a scamy scam.

In Ontario, small claims is up to $25,000. Since BB is not a registered corporation in Canada a person could file a claim against Chris personally and any other Directors if there are any.

[ribshaw]

In Ontario, small claims is up to $25,000. Since BB is not a registered corporation in Canada a person could file a claim against Chris personally and any other Directors if there are any.

That is a much more "user friendly" sum than what we have and seems a no lose situation for anyone who Chris has duped. Other than time and aggravation, but at this point what does that matter? Anyone who waited a year to be paid has the Patience of Job.

This is an informative link.

Before Making a Claim in Small Claims Court - Ministry of the Attorney General (http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/courts/scc/b4aClaim.asp)

This was good link on dishonest practices toward consumers, may be worth contacting the bar for how a "business owner" fits in to this equation.

Dishonest Business Practices and Schemes (http://www.cba.org/dev/BC/public_media/credit/260.aspx)

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One other option is for affiliates to treat their Panels as unpaid accounts receivable and go after Banners Broker for a business debt. I don't know that this makes collection any easier, and see some problems with the amorphous structure of BB, but it is infinitely easier to prove you are owed money than explain the massive fraud that is Banners Broker. The squeaky wheel gets the grease as they say.

Collecting Bills in Small Claims Court

Small claims court is particularly cost-effective for collecting unpaid bills because it eliminates the need for bill collectors and lawyers -- who often keep, as their fee, up to half of what they collect. Indeed, small claims court works so well that in many courts over 60% of the cases are filed by businesses. Because a substantial percentage of these claims are uncontested by the defendant (they know they owe the money and don't show up), little preparation or court time is needed. And best of all, many defendants who don't want their credit rating damaged pay voluntarily -- sometime between the time they receive a final demand letter threatening a small claims suit and the date a court judgment is entered.

Small Claims Court and Business Disputes | Nolo.com (http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/small-claims-court-business-disputes-29568.html)


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Since BB is by all standards a sham, it is not like serving a local merchant for an outstanding debt. (I don't want to imply this is an easy lift or even possible) But in my narrow mind, researching this angle beats playing Pat-a-Cake all day on the BB Facebook page hoping some money will be coming your way Friday after next.

Businesses

When it comes to suing a business in small claims court, you may sue any business that is organized (incorporated or established as an LLC) in your state.

In addition, you may bring suit against any business–whether incorporated or not–if one of the following conditions is true:

the business was responsible for injuring you or damaging your property in your state and you can find a way to serve your court papers on the business in your state
the business breaches a contract with you that was negotiated or was to be performed in your state and you can find a way to serve your court papers on the business in your state
the business has an office, warehouse, retail establishment, restaurant, or other physical facility here, even if that business is headquartered or organized elsewhere, or
the business does regular business in your state by selling products or services, employing a sales rep who calls on you personally or by phone to solicit business, sending you a catalog to solicit your business, or placing advertising in your state's media.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/small-claims-book/chapter9-2.html

[justme]

[QUOTE=Beacon;65180]How come the judge didnt ask the clerk in open court and announce a date there and then?

This isn't how the small claims courts work in the UK. There is no clerk of court. The small claims court comprises the judge, defendant, claimant, and anywhere from 0-2 solicitors. That's it. The court shares a number of clerks who deal with the admin, but they are not present in the court rooms.

[Beacon]

In Ontario, small claims is up to $25,000. Since BB is not a registered corporation in Canada a person could file a claim against Chris personally and any other Directors if there are any.

Interesting. You could claim against Stellar Point the directors are Raj and his ma.
Then Raj would be in the position of either Stellar Point accepting the claim and admitting that they were lying all along about Stellar Point not being Banners Broker or saying ( as they have ) that Stellar Point is NOT Banners Broker and they would then be personally liable.

[Beacon]

I don't know that this makes collection any easier, and see some problems with the amorphous structure of BB,


I don't! Since every person who joined BB had to be "introduced" by their upline then their immediate upline provides a clear indication of who directly owes them money.


Since BB is by all standards a sham, it is not like serving a local merchant for an outstanding debt. (I don't want to imply this is an easy lift or even possible) But in my narrow mind, researching this angle beats playing Pat-a-Cake all day on the BB Facebook page hoping some money will be coming your way Friday after next.

If it does not get your money back because BB is a criminal sham "business" at the very least that would prove it is a fake and probably result in criminal prosecutions which the authorities will take for themselves rather than individuals having to devote time to.


When it comes to suing a business in small claims court, you may sue any business that is organized (incorporated or established as an LLC) in your state.


Which brings me back to either
1. Banners Broker is lying about it being a legitimate registered business in which case it is liable under the criminal law
or
2. Banners Broker is a registered business which means it is liable for a claim under civil law.



In addition, you may bring suit against any business–whether incorporated or not–if one of the following conditions is true:

the business was responsible for injuring you or damaging your property in your state and you can find a way to serve your court papers on the business in your state
the business breaches a contract with you that was negotiated or was to be performed in your state and you can find a way to serve your court papers on the business in your state
the business has an office, warehouse, retail establishment, restaurant, or other physical facility here, even if that business is headquartered or organized elsewhere, or
the business does regular business in your state by selling products or services, employing a sales rep who calls on you personally or by phone to solicit business, sending you a catalog to solicit your business, or placing advertising in your state's media.

Suing Out-of-State Defendants in Small Claims Court | Nolo.com (http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/small-claims-book/chapter9-2.html)

If this is UK then the person with the "fifteen year lease " on the Manchester office is in trouble.

[Beacon]

Havent been looking at the india situation for a while.
It seems ana's "husband" got the slammer at her behest.
Portuguese Flummoxed After Getting Jailed in Dowry Case - The New Indian Express (http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/bangalore/Portuguese-Flummoxed-After-Getting-Jailed-in-Dowry-Case/2013/12/10/article1938020.ece)



De Soure Bento was released on bail last week. In 52 days, he has lost 14 kg and is now wondering what the case was all about.


Well at least he lost some weight. How about all the people who lost all their money?

[Ken Roklin]

Interesting. You could claim against Stellar Point the directors are Raj and his ma.
Then Raj would be in the position of either Stellar Point accepting the claim and admitting that they were lying all along about Stellar Point not being Banners Broker or saying ( as they have ) that Stellar Point is NOT Banners Broker and they would then be personally liable.

I think going after Stellar Point for money owed would be futile as the contract between affiliates is BB and not Stellar Point. In small claims you have to prove that the person you are suing owes you the money, not a third party. Raj had a contract with BB to provide a service and in court he would produce that document. Small Claims doesn't rule on whether or not Raj is BB but only on the amounts owed by the party and since affiliates don't have an agreement with SP Raj would win easily.

Why complicate things and waste time and money by going after Raj when you can go after Chris with whom affiliates have the contract? If the intent is to get your money owed then go after the person who owes it to you. If the intent is to prove SP is BB and ran a scam then you need to file a suit other than in small claims and you better have a lot more money than Raj does. He will use the money you and other affiliates contributed to BB to fight you and he probably has more than you do.

[ribshaw]

I don't! Since every person who joined BB had to be "introduced" by their upline then their immediate upline provides a clear indication of who directly owes them money.

BB affiliates going after their upline is the most direct strategy.

In the US may be the only option. Unless there is a US address where Banners Broker can be served, I don't know if a US small claims court would have jurisdiction over a Canadian Shell registered in the Tropic of Shamiztain. (Or since Banners Broker as far as I can tell are operating illegally in the US, it may not matter much if the court did have authority)

=========================

In Canada where BB has physical offices that can be served, an affiliate may have two options. One being going after Chris Smith or other upliners directly. Or treating the debt as a business debt and going after Banners Broker the business. Even if they are operating illegally, it is harder for them to argue they don't do business in Canada. And the same would be true for any locale where BB has a physical office. But an affiliate may have an agreement that says all disputes must be mediated in the Isle of Scam.

All options are certainly worth exploring for an affiliate who is owed money, I just don't want to give the impression that it is a matter of filling out a form, smiling for Judge Judy, and getting reimbursed.



Which brings me back to either
1. Banners Broker is lying about it being a legitimate registered business in which case it is liable under the criminal law
or
2. Banners Broker is a registered business which means it is liable for a claim under civil law.

Exactly right, and affiliates who wait for the answer will likely never see their panels turned back in to cash.

[ribshaw]

If the intent is to get your money owed then go after the person who owes it to you.

This makes the most sense IMO from a pure collection standpoint. Keeping it as clean and professional as possible (as much as that pains me), and with any luck obtaining a judgement. Then enforcing the judgement, or turning it over to an attorney who will. I suspect a lot of these upline leaders are deadbeats, so it may take some doing. As a business debt, BB affiliates with their eyes open should understand at this point they have almost certainly lost 100% of their money, anything they get back at this point is gravy.

My hope would be if affiliates start taking these things to court, word will spread in the legal community and the bigger questions answered and the necessary actions taken.

[Mundorf]

Not sure if this could be of much help but it seems to be one more place to report scams. -Action Fraud on 0300 123 2040. Action Fraud provides a central point of contact for information about fraud and financially motivated internet crime.

[Della Cate]

Meanwhile, over on the BB Blog, Rockin'Ronnie is attempting to calm the restless mob with a piece entitled "Needing to know vs Being disappointed:

"There are many affiliates that are asking for a date for the release of BBv3. There are also many affiliates that are complaining that BBv3 wasn’t released when it was supposed to be.

People want a release date but are upset when that date is missed.

Creating a new platform and a method of transferring over hundreds of thousands of accounts is an incredibly complex process. The system in BBv2.9 and BBv3 are very different, that is the reason that makes the transition so important and necessary.

We are striving to release BBv3 to you but it needs to done properly. The Leaders have been instrumental in helping to make sure that the new system in BBv3 is fair and a way that both BB and its affiliates can succeed now and into the future.

For this reason, we hesitate to give a date because we would rather make sure that things are done right than done in a hurry. We are all working diligently to ensure that what is released is the best for everyone.


We thank you for your patience and your continued faith in Banners Broker."

I'm sure that will do the trick!

[Della Cate]

But over on the BB Fb page, some people are getting restless.....

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[Fat City, LA]

Even the zealots are starting to get a clue.
I would be shocked if BBv3 was imaginary and just a mock up was done.

[Whip]

I think going after Stellar Point for money owed would be futile as the contract between affiliates is BB and not Stellar Point. In small claims you have to prove that the person you are suing owes you the money, not a third party. Raj had a contract with BB to provide a service and in court he would produce that document. Small Claims doesn't rule on whether or not Raj is BB but only on the amounts owed by the party and since affiliates don't have an agreement with SP Raj would win easily.

Why complicate things and waste time and money by going after Raj when you can go after Chris with whom affiliates have the contract? If the intent is to get your money owed then go after the person who owes it to you. If the intent is to prove SP is BB and ran a scam then you need to file a suit other than in small claims and you better have a lot more money than Raj does. He will use the money you and other affiliates contributed to BB to fight you and he probably has more than you do.

I believe there is a paper trail where banners broker changed their name to stellar point.

[NikSam]

I believe there is a paper trail where banners broker changed their name to stellar point.

Of course there is:
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URL: https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/scr/cc/CorporationsCanada/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=7250037&V_TOKEN=1353670012522&crpNm=bannersbroker&crpNmbr=&bsNmbr=

[CitizenKhan]

At various conventions e.g. Ireland and Manchester Raj was proudly announced as COO of BB and then subsequently CEO of StellarPoint.

Has anyone got evidence of that because using that evidence alongside name change of BB to StellarPoint, one could go after Raj and Chris.

I won't want Raj to think he got away with it. Hello Dickshit :)

[littleroundman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DLqhkfEngPg

Stellarpoint Inc. CEO Rajiv Dixit

Stellar Point CEO, Rajiv Dixit on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLqhkfEngPg)

[littleroundman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img11/2861/8j4t.jpg

Irish Examiner.com (http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2013/0911/world/scheme-leaves-15000-out-of-pocket-242663.html)

Readers should be aware;

While this thread contains a lot of "evidence" it is not the sort of evidence likely to satisfy a / the courts' requirements should it be presented in court.

PLEASE, PLEASE save yourself a lot of time, money and heartbreak and consult a legitimate legal representative before undertaking any form of legal action against Banners Broker and / or those behind it.

This is NOT like something you saw on last weeks' episode of Judge Judy or Law and Order.

[littleroundman]

Remember this ??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nVIdhlYZU1c

Here is Stellar Point webhosting today:

http://imageshack.com/a/img22/6571/9bor.jpg

As for Stellar Point itself, Mr Google shows us this:

http://imageshack.com/a/img546/6924/ddxj.jpg

Which brings us to:

http://imageshack.com/a/img690/716/pokl.jpg

[Ken Roklin]

BB affiliates going after their upline is the most direct strategy.

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In Canada where BB has physical offices that can be served, an affiliate may have two options. One being going after Chris Smith or other upliners directly. Or treating the debt as a business debt and going after Banners Broker the business. Even if they are operating illegally, it is harder for them to argue they don't do business in Canada. And the same would be true for any locale where BB has a physical office. But an affiliate may have an agreement that says all disputes must be mediated in the Isle of Scam.

Exactly right, and affiliates who wait for the answer will likely never see their panels turned back in to cash.

I think a lot of people have the impression that because Chris works out of Canada that they have physical offices here. They don't. There are no physical BB offices in Canada. Chris works out of his condo and the rest of what he calls employees in Canada are not employees but independent contractors to do a certain task working out of their homes or out of Chris's condo. He cannot have employees in Canada as that would mean registering BB in Canada and paying taxes such as payroll tax, income tax, pension plan deductions, etc. He does none of the above.

However, because he is the sole(?) Director of BB and resides in Ontario claims can be filed against him personally in small claims court.

[Ken Roklin]

I believe there is a paper trail where banners broker changed their name to stellar point.

That is true but it is not the same company that Chris Smith owns. Chris Smith owns Banners Broker International (registered in the Isle of Man) and was never registered in Canada. Affiliates agreement is with BBI not BB.
Banners Broker was initially a numbered company registered in Ontario and changed its name to Banners Broker and later to Stellar Point. Different corporations with different owners.

[Fat City, LA]

https://www.facebook.com/bannersbroker/posts/583982081685834?stream_ref=10
"The Leaders' Call has been cancelled due to a violation of codes of conduct by one of the participants.
It will be started again soon."

To translate: even the ignorance of the BB member has limits. Running low on lies.

https://www.facebook.com/bannersbroker/posts/584276704989705?stream_ref=10
.000001 got a payment !!! Everything is better!!!

[Mundorf]

https://www.facebook.com/bannersbroker/posts/583982081685834?stream_ref=10
"The Leaders' Call has been cancelled due to a violation of codes of conduct by one of the participants.
It will be started again soon."

To translate: even the ignorance of the BB member has limits. Running low on lies.

https://www.facebook.com/bannersbroker/posts/584276704989705?stream_ref=10
.000001 got a payment !!! Everything is better!!!

Did you ever meet a business where employees doing nothing but begging Please send to Portugal....Please send to India...Poland,Pakistan ?..which company is based on members begging anything?..a real business is much far from mentality of a 7 years old kid....the spirit condition "mommy give me sandwich I am hungry" is more then welcome in this bizarre world of fraud.And while real business wants and needs only mature and clever people,the BB scam collects just the opposite - immature kids from all around the world...among them are professors,teachers,doctors - still all living in their picture of an ideal,utopian,imaginary planet

[Beacon]

That is true but it is not the same company that Chris Smith owns. Chris Smith owns Banners Broker International (registered in the Isle of Man) and was never registered in Canada.

I think you may be thinking of the Belize company. Both the UK BB and the Isle of Man are dead edds either set up as nameplates or set up by copy cat scammers.


Affiliates agreement is with BBI not BB.


Affiliates IMO don't have any BB contract with anyone since they are affiliated to a fraud. The fraud however is fronted by people to which they gave money . You don't sue a fraud you sue the people committing it. BBI or SP or BB in a way are legal entities owned by Chris Raj etc. but while they claimed BB was the legal entity they were dealing with Chris and Raj personally took the money while pretending to be BB. I doubt if the money ever got lodged in a BB Bank account. If so then yes BB is liable for a claim but in the meantime even if any ever was in BB Chris or Raj took all the money out of BB and put it in their own pockets.


Banners Broker was initially a numbered company registered in Ontario and changed its name to Banners Broker and later to Stellar Point. Different corporations with different owners.

Eh I don't think so. It ( The Canadian company) is the same company with the same owners and directors (Raj and his ma)but with a name change.

[NikSam]

Proving that Raj (a canadian citizen) is operating/ involved with BB is easy, with his own statements, screenshots, videos, etc.
Showing his canadian company in past named Banners Broker and after **** in the press renamed is also easy.
Chris Smith a canadian citizen also showing himself as operator of BB, regardless of his claimed role in any business entity onshore or offshore.
Your payments / transactions showing it is going to Banners Broker and Excuses from Raj why people cannot get their refunds would also be needed.
It would also be great if the transactions you did were done using a canadian party (Payza, SolidTrustPay) – it would completely take any foreign involvement out of the picture, and Raj would sound stupid trying to say you paid not to them but to some other company on some banana island.

I believe thats all you need.

Canada can care less if Raj also has a company in Isle of Mann , Belize, etc. - it is not their jurisdiction and they do not even have to acknowledge the fact of their existence.
You are canadian, Raj and Chris are Canadian, Raj company (in past named Banners Broker) is Canadian, thats all court can work with.

[NikSam]

Also, maybe you can dig more into the time just before BB announced that canadian and US residents cannot participate, i believe it was around the company name change.
Maybe court can rule to release some agency records, i bet they been watched for long time and renaming to Stellar Point might be an actual consequence.

Also , i do not know if character evidence can be used in claims court, but you may prepare some info on past associations of Raj with various investment scams

[Della Cate]

Meanwhile, over on the BB Fb page, there's this startling announcement....

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"The most important webinar in the history of BB" eh? No pressure then, Chris darling, but the affiliates are expecting something fabulous tomorrow....

And here's the responses to "the most important webinar"; some of the ususal suspects are there, but others seem more doubtful. Can't think why! (!)


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[Beacon]

Also, maybe you can dig more into the time just before BB announced that canadian and US residents cannot participate, i believe it was around the company name change.
Maybe court can rule to release some agency records, i bet they been watched for long time and renaming to Stellar Point might be an actual consequence.

Also , i do not know if character evidence can be used in claims court, but you may prepare some info on past associations of Raj with various investment scams

On the character history I'm sure it is covered in this thread but the WLD forum covered this topic
Homes for the World International Inc. - WORLD Law Direct Forums (http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/internet-hyip-scams/31194-homes-world-international-inc.html)

See message #2

This was on ofshoot of IFC World homes
ICF WORLD HOMES INC. - WORLD Law Direct Forums (http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/international-law-issues/30873-icf-world-homes-inc.html)
See #5

[Beacon]

Hey people. Any news on Demain and the Stepsys case? He seems to have gone very quiet this week.

[Ken Roklin]

I think you may be thinking of the Belize company. Both the UK BB and the Isle of Man are dead edds either set up as nameplates or set up by copy cat scammers.


Affiliates IMO don't have any BB contract with anyone since they are affiliated to a fraud. The fraud however is fronted by people to which they gave money . You don't sue a fraud you sue the people committing it. BBI or SP or BB in a way are legal entities owned by Chris Raj etc. but while they claimed BB was the legal entity they were dealing with Chris and Raj personally took the money while pretending to be BB. I doubt if the money ever got lodged in a BB Bank account. If so then yes BB is liable for a claim but in the meantime even if any ever was in BB Chris or Raj took all the money out of BB and put it in their own pockets.


Eh I don't think so. It ( The Canadian company) is the same company with the same owners and directors (Raj and his ma)but with a name change.
Initially BBI was registered in The Isle of Man and later moved to Belize where it is now. It was never a Canadian Corporation as BB was.
If affiliates don't have a contract with BBI then they have no leg to stand on when it comes to claiming BBI owes them money. In small claims you have to prove that the company/person owes you money based on documentation i.e. unpaid invoice, contract, etc. If you want to claim you were the victim of a fraud then you must sue the person /company in a court other than small claims. Affiliates can't sue Raj or SP for monies owed as SP had no contract with affiliates. Just because Raj got a lot of money for being the support company for BBI doesn't make Raj liable for moneys owed affiliates who have a contract with BBI.

BBI is not the same company as the former BB. Chris Smith never was an officer or director of BB ( originally a numbered company, then changed to BB and later to SP). Raj was never, officially, a Director of BBI. He may have used the title of CCO but people assume titles to suit whatever situation they are in, it doesn't legally make them director of a company and therefore not personally liable for any debts of the corporation, nameplate or otherwise. If it isn't in the incorporation documentation then it doesn't (legally) exist, in Canada anyway.

[Ken Roklin]

Proving that Raj (a canadian citizen) is operating/ involved with BB is easy, with his own statements, screenshots, videos, etc.
Showing his canadian company in past named Banners Broker and after **** in the press renamed is also easy.
Chris Smith a canadian citizen also showing himself as operator of BB, regardless of his claimed role in any business entity onshore or offshore.
Your payments / transactions showing it is going to Banners Broker and Excuses from Raj why people cannot get their refunds would also be needed.
It would also be great if the transactions you did were done using a canadian party (Payza, SolidTrustPay) – it would completely take any foreign involvement out of the picture, and Raj would sound stupid trying to say you paid not to them but to some other company on some banana island.

I believe thats all you need.

Canada can care less if Raj also has a company in Isle of Mann , Belize, etc. - it is not their jurisdiction and they do not even have to acknowledge the fact of their existence.
You are canadian, Raj and Chris are Canadian, Raj company (in past named Banners Broker) is Canadian, thats all court can work with.
Suing Chris in small claims is easy. But suing Raj in small claims is a waste of time and money. The fact Raj/SP was promoting BB has absolutely nothing to do with small claims. Legally, anybody can change their company name to anything they want in Canada unless there is another company with the same name. Apparently there wasn't and Raj was able to incorporate Bannersbroker Limited, not Bannerbroker International, which is what Chris incorporated offshore. It doesn't matter what the reason was for changing the name Bannersbroker Limited to SP, it was done legally. Now if you want to go after Raj for promoting a Ponzi then there is lots of documentation to prove that. That, however, is not a matter for small claims and you better have a lot of money for legal fees.

[littleroundman]

How many ways are there to say "You're not going to get paid AGAIN"

Here's yet another one:

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag116/Little_Roundman/scams/bbblog_zps9acdf2c2.jpg

[Whip]

How many ways are there to say "You're not going to get paid AGAIN"

Here's yet another one:

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag116/Little_Roundman/scams/bbblog_zps9acdf2c2.jpg

I think they already used the 'manual aspect will no longer be an issue' months ago.

[NikSam]

Initially BBI was registered in The Isle of Man and later moved to Belize where it is now. It was never a Canadian Corporation as BB was....

Ok, the first address which was on whois in 2010


Registrant:
Banner Broker
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
(661) 770-9988 Fax -- (661) 770-9988

- It was at the time when they called it a "DOUBLER"

Isle of Mann (see? i Used 2 n - that is how they announced where they now are :) ) only came into picture somethere in 2012, at least thats when they mentioned it first, all communications were with canada


Take a look where the Return to address of debit cards was:
http://www.realscam.com/attachments/f8/3309d1362746604-banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-bbletter1ljvm5awu0z.jpg

And see what the first address on the "contact us" page showed a year ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20130115074122/http://bannersbroker.com/main/contactus

Also can dig up stories from Raj how he is building Banners Broker office at Carlow Ct, there was no any mention of Stelar Point yet, also there was another canadian address they claimed before, might find it in this thread

Isle of Man comp. registration i believe was done by buying a pre-made (of the shelf) company and renaming it to "Banners Broker International Limited" (see what it says ? so "... international limited" and "... international" is not the same then? :) ), that is why it shows 2010 as a year.
At that time, 2010, they had nothing yet, and they were not even sure where to hide or if they even need a company.

Raj is BannersBroker, and he is no less than a 50% partner of this crap, meanwhile Chris can only be linked/ held accountable for his own and Raj statements, there is no paper trail on Chris,
need i remind that Chris only showed up in 2012 ?

Forget Isle of Man or Belize, it is not their jurisdiction, Canada would not recognize it if some canadian tries to hide in there.
In fact now most respected banks would never open a bank account to corporations formed offshore but not doing business there.


And Ken, stop partitioning these scammers, SP is BB - the end.

[CitizenKhan]

Notes from scaminar anyone?

[NikSam]

Also Ken do you know it for a fact that Chris is director of Isle of man 's company ? :)

do you know for a fact that there is a even a BB company registration in Belize ? :RpS_laugh: - or you just believe what scammers told you ?

PS: i was correct , BBI in Isle of man was a pre-made/for sale/of-the-shelf company "BEDFORD LIMITED" , which they only got on Apr 11 2012 and renamed.

[Whip]

need i remind that Chris only showed up in 2012 ?



The white one or the black one?

[NikSam]

The white one or the black one?

I do not take into account a stock picture of some white dude.

Black of course, and not a picture, like videos - walks/talks/pimps BB - gotta be real person, or mad video editing skills or probably plastic operation with skin tanning.

[Mundorf]

I would be not surprised if BB face book official liar would be Chris Smith in persona...his new born kid WeW is there...his nice followers are there - everything to be managed from a small tablet,siting somewhere in a small bar and having lot of fun

[Whip]

I do not take into account a stock picture of some white dude.

Black of course, and not a picture, like videos - walks/talks/pimps BB - gotta be real person, or mad video editing skills or probably plastic operation with skin tanning.

But that's part of the ruse.

[Joe_Shmoe]

This weeks scaminar brought to you again by our favourite Danish Serial Ponzi Pimp.....

Annegrete Krings I Tell You To Never Give Up!: Banners Broker Friday Q&A Webinar 01/24/14 (http://kringsenterprises.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/banners-broker-friday-q-webinar-012414.html)





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Ron Anderson speaking:

Good Morning, welcome to the call. Opt-in period if winding down. If you are going to sign up for BannersMobile and be in the drawing for one of the prizes, please go in and purchase your package for BannersMobile.


Chris Smith speaking:

(Chris is doing a BB v3 PowerPoint presentation today, so please watch the Webinar replay to understand it completely)

Okay, let's get rolling. Sorry for the late start. Let's get started.

As you know Version 3 is upon us. We have already started off with a few items:
New Panel Purchases
New Traffic Boosters
New Traffic pack subs
etc.

Dates for Version 3:
Feb 4 - Blackout of BB2.9
Feb 5 - Tesla Giveaway
Feb 10 - End of opt=in for BannersMobile
Feb 10 - BM down for a bit
Feb 11 - BBv3 Launch

BannersMobile opt-in ends Feb 10th. Accounts that are not active will be purged. If you built a team, you should be in BM and have your team. otherwise you will be removed and not have your team anymore. Please make a decision wisely. Separate company, separate accounting, separate payouts. This is a easy way to be part of the mobile platform advertising world. Lots of prizes will be given away, so please join us.

The Rationale for BBv3
(see slide presentation)
We need to change. We need to recognize how we got here, what were the problems, plug up some holes. BB never was an investment program, however we do have investors inside BB. We were catering to them for a while based on what was available. Now you will have to do something to earn your payout and be part of the advertising channel. Buying packages, using the choice network, incentive tasks, monetizing websites. These are things you will have to do in order for your panels to move. We are trying very hard to be sure BB is here for a long time and no regulators can look at us and see anything wrong. Sometimes change is good. You guys on the call are the ones who are able to help out with the explanation to all the members what are the reasons for the change in order for BB to continue. We are asking for your help. We will be distributing a PDF with all the migration rules. We need your help to explain it to your team, so everyone knows what's happening.

Rapid Panel
$5 to purchase
$5 to cap
Max - 50 per account
No Repurchase

Each week someone receives a $500 payout (instant) as a winner
This is a promotional item for BB v3. There will be a showcase of the winners, with testimonials. This is the purpose fo the rapid panel. It is not to put money in your pocket. It is a selling tool for you to use.

Sales Credit Generation
(please see the slideshow for details)

3 Generations of sales credits.
Gen 1 - Complimentary 1 100%
Gen 2 - Complimentary 2 0%
Gen 3 - Repurchased panels 0%

Purchased Panels
4 Generations
Purchased Panel 100%
Repurchased Panel 50%
Repurchased Panel 25%
Repurchased Panel 0%

Rollups - 0%

3.0 Packages will be the SAME
Yellow $10
Purple $30
Blue $90
etcetera

Admin Fee (3 months will be included in package price)
Impression pack included (25,000 impressions)
3x Rapid Panels

Total: Example
$215 Blue or $485 Green

Fast Start only available through a Red Package. Commissions given once the package is paid for

Sales commissions:
Impression Packs = 25% ($6.25)

Traffic packs = None
Traffic boosters - None

Referrals of affiliates with free accounts. With version3 we have finally recoded this process.
(please see the replay for this detail)

Subscription Level
Standard stays at Standard
Premium stays at Premium
Executive begins at Premium

First month admin fee is only $10 for everyone. After that $100 for Premium, $500 for Executive.

Your $10 can go toward whatever admin fee you choose. You have 90 days to pay this. All accounts that are not activated will be removed in 90 days from launch date.

Admin fee will be lower for some countries. Standard = $7.50 Premium $50.
(please watch the webianr for a full explanation and list of countries)

Migrating Accounts:

Negative accounts:
50% is credited by BB
50% will have to be paid by the affiliate
The Credit from BB will have to be paid within 120 days.

Affiliates whose accounts were managed by Account Coordinators and are now in the negative will receive a full 100% credit advanced.... and you will have 120 days to pay this.

This way everyone can begin bb3 with a zero balance and will ahve plenty of time to pay your negative balance.

Negative Accounts in bb3

We will be much more strict in BB3. Panels will not move, you will lose bonus traffic, many things will happen if you go negative.

Subscription Protection is available for $100 which covers you for 6 months and the above things will not happen if you have this. $500 for Executive (please see the webinar for detail explanation)

This way no one will be caught by surprise with a negative account

Traffic Packs

ALL TRAFFIC PACK SUBSCRIPTIONS WILL END AND WILL NOT CARRYOVER TO BBv3

You can still have TP's with limits
Standard - 1 Pack
Premium - 9 packs
Executive - 30 packs

Traffic Pack stipulations - Each affiliate is allowed a basic amount, and can add more based on your referrals.
Standard +1
Premium +2
Exectuive +3

Traffic Packs - more TP's through incentives will be coming in the future.

(please see the slide for SUBSCRIPTION DIFFERENCES)
Standard, Premium and Executive benefits
For example, Executives can earn 10,000 credits for giving webinars weekly.

Multi-Panel Qualification Tool - this is NEW and will be availalbe in the Executive Membership free of charge. Qualify 120 panels at the same time

TP Bonuses - Zero for Standard, 10,000 for Premium, 25,000 for Executive.
(see webinar for detail)

What is Transferring to 3.0?

V2.9 is "tangled and bloated" and we need to untangle it and unbloat it. We need a fresh start and good for all.

3 dates for how this will work for members based on when you joined:
Before Nov 4, 2012
Before Feb 21, 2013
Befoer May 15, 2013

(explantion as to why is on the webinar replay)

Your Logs will not be transferred, different coding, different system, so this will not be transferred, as to panels. I believe withdrawal logs will be transferred (double checking on this)

Impression Bank - `100%
Ad Campaigns - all cancelled, unused impressions will be back in your bank

TP subscriptions - none transferred

Traffic Pack traffic

if allocated 100%
if unallocated - a percentage will fall in line with percentages for panels (see below).

Sales Credits - 5%, 10%, 15%, 20%

Organic Traffic - 100%

Incentive Traffic - 10%
(because this included rollups, which is now deemed to be zero)

Purchased Panels - 30%, 45%, 60%, 75%

(value of the panels will go into your wallet, not the actual panel itself)

Repurchased Panels - 0% will transfer

NEW ACCOUNTS - Comp 1 and Comp 2 will transfer 100%, as well as repurchased from Comp 2.

Qualified panels - moving over 100%, however they will be deemed LEGACY PANELS, when they cap the money goes into LEGACY WALLET. 50% cash - 50% will be the value in impressions rather than a repurchased panel

(end of Part 1)
(to be continued)
[18:05:11] beaches777 (Linda Lane): Part 2 (continued)
BB Q&A Webinar 1/24/14

LEGACY WALLET - A new Wallet for bbv3 will be introduced. This will hold money earned in 2.9, based on your join date for BB.

eWallet transfer.

Separate queue for Legacy Wallet and eWallet. Separate payouts, separate withdrawals

Available to Withdraw - up to $200 cash
Advertising Credits - 10%
Legacy Wallets - 90%

Withdrawals requests - each Wallet will have only one request entered at one time.

(PLEASE SEE THE WEBINAR REPLAY FOR DETAILS ON THIS AND SEE THE SLIDES)

Example: $1200 in eWallet BB2.9
(never withdrawn)
BBv3 - Available to Withdraw $200
Balance as follows:
10% to ad credits
90% to Legacy Wallet

If you have withdrawn before, $0 will go into Available to withdraw, 10% to ad credits and 90% to Legacy Wallet.

All pending withdrawal requests will be reversed and the system will take your earliest date and enter "generate" a new withdrawal for you. This queue will be in proper date order. this will be a HUGE IMPROVEMENT. It will be more transparent and you will know where you are in the queue in V3. This will be fair for everyone.

I am happy we have come this far. I love BannersBroker and I love the people and I love the concept and I love the advertising concept. I want to spend my future with BB. All I need is you. Our leaders are on board. WE have a great team, great support team, and great programming team. We have a great manager in Belize running our office down there. Thanks goes out to all involved.

We need to change for the better so that BB will continue for a long time. Ron is answering questions on the chat.

Ron - all is good. The webinar will be posted in the back office, so your teams can review this.

Chris:

This is one of the largest webinars we have had in some time. I am glad to see you all here and your involvement. I am putting up the launch dates again. We are right around the corner. We want to make sure that you are prepared for BBv3.

BannersMobile, please check it out. After the blackout you will lose your spot with your team. Be a part of BB and continue on with us.

I could talk forever in terms of how much I appreciate all of your support. it's been so great. I am working with a group of fantastic people, leaders in the field, people who are making things happen. Keep up the great work. We are making sure we maintain and preserve BannersBroker. I am excited and pumped up. let's bring on Version 3! Have a GREAT weekend.

(end of webinar - please see the replay for details on BB3)
(notes prepared by Linda Lane and are official BB transcripts, please include this with all repostings)

[Eponymous]

Did anyone understand a ******* word of that??

[hendyphilhendy]

Whatever happened to the basic concept of you are buying a unit of advertising space that gets used by advertisers and when used BB get a profit and the affiliate gets their cut. Actually a very simple, believable business model. Surely all of these changes are actually more of a red flag that the panels are just a load of rubbish, especially the regulators should see this?

When was the last time anyone from BB actually explained the 'business' model?

[Fat City, LA]

All pending withdrawal requests will be reversed and the system will take your earliest date and enter "generate" a new withdrawal for you. This queue will be in proper date order. this will be a HUGE IMPROVEMENT. It will be more transparent and you will know where you are in the queue in V3. This will be fair for everyone.


Ruh, Rooo, Shaggy (Scooby Doo)
If I was in BB, I could think of many words for this.....fair would NOT be one of them .

[hendyphilhendy]

Fair would be 'I buy my panel, it caps, I pay my 50% and then withdraw the rest - I have earned it!'

If any of this was real of course! This has been going on for a couple of years now and I see no evidence that this is anything but a ponzi - and every change they make reinforces this view.

[Fat City, LA]

The world lost more millionaries today than on 'black friday'.
They just should of gone w/monopoly $. At least they could still play Monopoly.

[Mundorf]

Did anyone understand a ******* word of that??

...but followers will say -It's complicated so it must be good

[littleroundman]

If any of this was real of course!

And that is the bottom line.

NONE of this is real

It is both sad and amusing to read the usual suspect forums and see otherwise intelligent people still discussing strategies and possibilities as if Banners Broker was more than a computer program designed to simulate a real business.

Similarly with the armchair lawyers telling people to sue or advising victims on ways to get back their money.

Sue WHO ???

Good Lord, people, Banners Broker is not Zeek Rewards.

Nobody really knows who, what or where

There's nobody at any of the addresses given for Banners Broker or Stellar Point.

There are only shell corporations in offshore locations and rented servers running programs and scripts and hosting remotely controlled websites.

There are voices people claim are Chris Smiths' and Ron Andersons'

There are recordings of webinars but not even videos showing who is really speaking.

This isn't TV.

A kindly District Attorney named Jack McCoy isn't going to pop up at the last minute and introduce evidence to bust the case wide open.

Who has actually proof that Banners Broker is anything more than a computer program and series of scripts ??

What can be proven to the level required by a court ??

A ponzi scheme with computer graphics to back it up, end of story.

[baylee]

And that is the bottom line.

NONE of this is real

It is both sad and amusing to read the usual suspect forums and see otherwise intelligent people still discussing strategies and possibilities as if Banners Broker was more than a computer program designed to simulate a real business.

Similarly with the armchair lawyers telling people to sue or advising victims on ways to get back their money.

Sue WHO ???

Good Lord, people, Banners Broker is not Zeek Rewards.

Nobody really knows who, what or where

There's nobody at any of the addresses given for Banners Broker or Stellar Point.

There are only shell corporations in offshore locations and rented servers running programs and scripts and hosting remotely controlled websites.

There are voices people claim are Chris Smiths' and Ron Andersons'

There are recordings of webinars but not even videos showing who is really speaking.

This isn't TV.

A kindly District Attorney named Jack McCoy isn't going to pop up at the last minute and introduce evidence to bust the case wide open.

Who has actually proof that Banners Broker is anything more than a computer program and series of scripts ??

What can be proven to the level required by a court ??

A ponzi scheme with computer graphics to back it up, end of story.


Too bad but this is the truth. Sooner or later the pimps like sills, scoones, sills, and others are placed behind bars the world will be in a better place!

[Della Cate]

Did anyone understand a ******* word of that??

Well, no, I didn't!

But isn't extreme complication a sign of something being an all round dodgy deal?

And as others have said, and will say again, whatever happened to the concept of buying advertising space on the web? I think the truest bit of the whole webinar was when Chris says: "I want to spend my future with BB. All I need is you." - translated as, IMO, "keep pumping the cash in, suckers!"

[CitizenKhan]

Meanwhile, Chris has not even mentioned payments to affiliates.

In other news Jamie Water and Iain Sherriff are busy pushing different scams.

Did our friend settle his case with Mr. Stepsys outside court then?

[Joe_Shmoe]

Alan Shills latest YouTube video

It Should be titled - It's the economy stupid.

By the way he would still like to recruit you into Banners Broker. He says "Banners Broker is on the right track" :RpS_lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxbvH6ufgNE

"Banners Broker is moving onto "Version 3" - it may be thought of as the FIRST "non-beta" version. Yup, the company that some have pronounced as "DOA" is alive and kicking... and moving towards a long-term sustainable business model." :RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

Ahhh! Version 2.9 was a Beta version! Funny nobody mentioned that in the past.

[Ken Roklin]

Ok, the first address which was on whois in 2010

- It was at the time when they called it a "DOUBLER"

Isle of Mann (see? i Used 2 n - that is how they announced where they now are :) ) only came into picture somethere in 2012, at least thats when they mentioned it first, all communications were with canada


Take a look where the Return to address of debit cards was:


And see what the first address on the "contact us" page showed a year ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20130115074122/http://bannersbroker.com/main/contactus

Also can dig up stories from Raj how he is building Banners Broker office at Carlow Ct, there was no any mention of Stelar Point yet, also there was another canadian address they claimed before, might find it in this thread

Isle of Man comp. registration i believe was done by buying a pre-made (of the shelf) company and renaming it to "Banners Broker International Limited" (see what it says ? so "... international limited" and "... international" is not the same then? :) ), that is why it shows 2010 as a year.
At that time, 2010, they had nothing yet, and they were not even sure where to hide or if they even need a company.

Raj is BannersBroker, and he is no less than a 50% partner of this crap, meanwhile Chris can only be linked/ held accountable for his own and Raj statements, there is no paper trail on Chris,
need i remind that Chris only showed up in 2012 ?

Forget Isle of Man or Belize, it is not their jurisdiction, Canada would not recognize it if some canadian tries to hide in there.
In fact now most respected banks would never open a bank account to corporations formed offshore but not doing business there.


And Ken, stop partitioning these scammers, SP is BB - the end.

I am not partitioning the scammers, just the companies that are liable for their part. We all know that Raj ran BB behind the scenes, and Raj is guilty of promoting BB, a Ponzi, but there is a difference in what you can prove in the various courts. Chris can use a mailing address in any country in the world but that doesn't make it a legal corporation in that country. Raj may have owned a share of BBI but not on any documentation you will ever find. In court what will stand up as proof is the Articles of Incorporation showing the owners and Directors and I'll bet my last penny Raj's name will not be on any official, legal document showing him as either.

Like I said before, in Canada, small claims deals with moneys owed and nothing else. Affiliates do not have a single piece of proof that will hold up in court that Raj/SP owes them money. So why waste time, energy and money suing him in small claims court? That is bad advice.

I am not defending Raj or SP, just suggesting that anyone considering suing Raj in small claims should be aware that unless they have documentation to prove that Raj/SP owes them money they will lose. If any affiliate has such proof then by all means go for it.

Suing Raj/SP for promoting a Ponzi because you believe he was part of BBI is another case altogether and would become a long drawn out and costly battle in a criminal court. Operating and promoting a Ponzi is a criminal offense and not a case for small claims.

I don't profess to know the law, but I have tried to collect debts several times in small claims over the years and have an idea about what the requirements are to be successful in small claims. Contrary to your belief, BBI and SP are not the same company, at least legally. They may have agreements/contracts between the two companies where they each promote their respective companies but that is not the same as being the same company as you claim.

[ribshaw]

I don't profess to know the law, but I have tried to collect debts several times in small claims over the years and have an idea about what the requirements are to be successful in small claims.

Similar here Ken, and have tried to offer a few options and strategies affiliates may try. At the same time, I don't think any of us have time to play wet nurse to those who are unwilling to act. Everyone here has provided great information throughout this tread. Affiliates need to stop the thumb sucking and start tying to collect what they are owed. Then, win, lose, or draw share with other others what works and what doesn't work. Preferably here, but anywhere is better than nothing. Similar to what was done when people were able to get their banks to do reversals on the money they sent to Banners Broker. Hopefully Damien will come back and give us an update.

With a few exceptions all I see is frowny faces and bellyaching over on the BB Facebook page. Hence a scam that has gone on a year past its sell by date.

[Beacon]

Also , i do not know if character evidence can be used in claims court, but you may prepare some info on past associations of Raj with various investment scams

Small Claims Court - Ministry of the Attorney General (http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/courts/scc/)

[Mundorf]

Alan Shills latest YouTube video

It Should be titled - It's the economy stupid.

By the way he would still like to recruit you into Banners Broker. He says "Banners Broker is on the right track" :RpS_lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxbvH6ufgNE

"Banners Broker is moving onto "Version 3" - it may be thought of as the FIRST "non-beta" version. Yup, the company that some have pronounced as "DOA" is alive and kicking... and moving towards a long-term sustainable business model." :RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

Ahhh! Version 2.9 was a Beta version! Funny nobody mentioned that in the past.

He looks like a rabbit,he acts like a rabbit and one day he will vanish like a rabbit...a real trickster,isn't he?
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[Beacon]

Suing Raj/SP for promoting a Ponzi because you believe he was part of BBI is another case altogether and would become a long drawn out and costly battle in a criminal court. Operating and promoting a Ponzi is a criminal offense and not a case for small claims.

and criminal law is different because they cant just drop the case like a civil one. In criminal law the State is under threat and the State takes the case so the individual who is assaulted/raped/robbed/defrauded doesnt have to carry any of the cost or do any of the investigating. That is one of the advantages of taking a criminal route. another is that once a criminal conviction for fraud is there a civil case can be taken and the criminal case bye used to back it up. A criminal case can fail and the Civil one still succeed as criminal is done to a different standard Innocence is assumed and the onus is on the prosecution to produce evidence to support guilt "beyond reasonable doubt" The civil decision is made on a "balance of evidence" rather than beyond doubt. so it is that OJ Simpson for example was acquitted of murder but found liable for wrongful death to the tune of $33,500,000.


I don't profess to know the law, .... Contrary to your belief, BBI and SP are not the same company, at least legally.

But BB Canada and SP Canada are! I agree with your arguments on the extra jurisdictional liability of offshore companies. Mind you if BB Canada were funneling money to BBI then that is another issue.



They may have agreements/contracts between the two companies where they each promote their respective companies but that is not the same as being the same company as you claim.

I didn't claim they were. But whether a contract can exist between two nameplate companies not following their own Memoranda of Association I don't know. But I agree with you ther is no point in bringing BBI into a canadian case unless money was being sent to a BBI account at the direct behest of Raj or from or through Raj, or BB Canada.

[HARRISON]

The Talking BB forum seems to be down. Me thinks there are some VERY unhappy affiliates voicing there ,er, support lol????:watching_you:

[CitizenKhan]

The Talking BB forum seems to be down. Me thinks there are some VERY unhappy affiliates voicing there ,er, support lol????:watching_you:

Was Iain Sherriff one of Hitler's descendants? He controls that forum like Saddam Hussein controlled Iraq. Nobody is allowed to bad mouth BB.

I wonder what Jamie Waters is up to these days?

[Fat City, LA]

Was Iain Sherriff one of Hitler's descendants? He controls that forum like Saddam Hussein controlled Iraq. Nobody is allowed to bad mouth BB.

I wonder what Jamie Waters is up to these days?

Doing D'sDomination. I saw him advertising in Clixsense.

Compared to his usual crap, thats like a 9 to 5 job for him. At least it actually sells something.

[Della Cate]

Hey people. Any news on Demain and the Stepsys case? He seems to have gone very quiet this week.

Well, you can wait quite a while for a court hearing date.

If he is still looking at this site, this may be of interest to add to his evidence:-

Simon Stepsys EmpowerNetwork AND BannersBroker Top Earner - Simon Stepsys's Blog (http://simonstepsys.com/about-simon/)

It's Simon's Blog, complete with boasts from him about being a Banners Broker "millionaire" and top affiliate, along with an invitation to join his BB success team

[Beacon]

In fact now most respected banks would never open a bank account to corporations formed offshore but not doing business there.




LOL off topic but Im reminded of the fact that not long before he died in June 2011 Steve Jobs, met Cupertino’s City Council to seek approval for a new headquarters. When asked what it would do for the town for example free WiFi Jobs said that if they didn’t get what they wanted they would have to go elsewhere - and pay their taxes elsewhere.
When the chair of the council asked what would the locals get from it Jobs retorted
Steve Jobs' Presentation to the Cupertino City Council (6/7/11) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqn43gmeA3w) [@ 13:27] “See, I’m a simpleton; I’ve always had this view that we pay taxes, and the city should do those things. That’s why we pay taxes. Now, if we can get out of paying taxes, I’ll be glad to put up Wi-Fi.”
Foreign sales, account for 60% of Apple’s profits. Profits are routed through a warren of corporates and not taxed anywhere. In this case two Irish subsidiaries Apple Operations International (AOI) and Apple Sales International (ASI) are central to this.
Here’s the loophole: Irish law determines tax residency based on where a company is managed and controlled; U.S. law asks where the company was organized, that is, where papers creating it were filed. So you just register a company in Ireland with no employees which the US then see as an Irish company and you manage and control it through the US so the Irish then regard it as offshore. You pay some money and some tax in the US through the parent. Most money however you charge customers elsewhere through the Irish subsidiary but pass the now clean untaxable money . The untaxed money ended up in a NY Bank account.

[Beacon]

Raj may have owned a share of BBI but not on any documentation you will ever find. In court what will stand up as proof is the Articles of Incorporation showing the owners and Directors and I'll bet my last penny Raj's name will not be on any official, legal document showing him as either.
Well as far as the canadian company goes Raj is indeed listed as Director and shareholder. As far as other companies go as you have pointed out if it isnt in canada then Canadian courts wont be interested - unless of course it is an offshore subsidiary funneling money back into canada or vice versa.

[littleroundman]

Props to theguardianuno over in the Banners Broker thread on the MMG HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&view=findpost&p=1108670841#entry1108670841) for sourcing these pics of how serial ponzi pimp, Jamie Waters and his partner and fellow ponzi profiteer are enjoying spending the money they have stolen from those they recruited into the Banners Broker fraud:

http://imageshack.com/a/img401/6137/2dgm.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img833/1194/a1ej.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img812/7597/2t3k.jpg

[littleroundman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img854/2205/hv82.jpg

CCDNI.com (http://www.ccdni.com/director-james-david-waters-6#ap17225056)

[scamassassin007]

Take This To The Bank?????

Guarantee?
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MarkGhobril.com is still not up after many weeks!
Did Mark Not Pay His Bill?
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More Rants From General Gerbil!
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BREAKING NEWS: Mark Ghobril House In Foreclosure????? I normally would not pick on anyone in foreclosure. But he did brag on his site that he was a BB Millionaire!!!! So are we to believe his BB guarantee???? Is This The Same Mark Ghobril?????? PUBLIC RECORDS: Mark ghobril property Foreclosure (http://www.slideshare.net/Scams2Ponzis/mark-ghobril-property-1)

*** 511 Easton St Carrier Rte: C037
Ronkonkoma, NY 11779-6155 Census Tract: 1466044000
Loc: Islip Town
District: 500 Block: 100 Tax Unit:
Section: 8400 Lot: 34000
Additional Lot: N
Owner Info: Do Not Call: Mailing Opt Out:
Owner: M Ghobril Etal
Owner Addl: Mailing Address:
Company: 511 Easton St Carrier Rte: C037
Own Ph#: 631 615-6700 Ronkonkoma, NY 11779-6155
Ownership:

Taxes Assessments Lot Description
Tax Class: 472807 Land Value: $8,900 Acres: 0.26
Imp Value: $25,400 Lot Square Footage: 11326
Taxes: $6,991 Total Value: $34,300 Lot Frontage Feet: 100
Tax Year: 12 Assessment Update Date: 7/11/2013 Lot Depth:
Exemption: Y Data Update Date: 6/24/2010 Market Total Value: $294,421
Schools SD#:R07 Connetquot State School Code: SCR07

Property Characteristics
Property Class: 210 - Single Family Residence Style: Land Use: Single Fam
Stories: Year Built: Property Indic: Single Family Residence / Townhouse
Baths Total: Ext Walls: Garage: Park:
Fuel: Pool: Ground Floor Sqft: Univ Bldg Sqft:
Sewer: Water:

Deed Info:
Deed Date: 6/23/2008 Sold Price: $339,500 Mortgage Recording Date:
Deed Recording Date: 7/2/2008 Grantor: Vatter G & M Mortgage Amount:
Deed Book/Page: 12556 / 606 Lender:
Multi APN:
Sales Deed Categ: Grant Deed 2nd Mtg:

Historical Deed 1:
Deed Date: Sold Price:
Deed Recording Date: 8/3/1979 Grantor:
Deed Book/Page: 8670 / 224 Grantee: Vatter George
Multi APN:
Sales Deed Categ: Grant Deed

Lis Pendens Info:
Lis Pendens Amount: $339,267 Lis Pendens Plaintiff: Bac Home Loans Servicing Lp Lis Pendens Book/Page:
Lis Pendens Date: 4/6/2010 Lis Pendens Index#: 10 11782
------ PUBLIC RECORDS.
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Did Mark Ghobril Guarantee The Cash Payments That He Took From His Victims????
This just makes me SICK!

[Joe_Shmoe]

Times are hard. Even Millionaires are downsizing. :RpS_smile:

Although looking at Mark's house this "millionaire" has already downsized once or twice before.

6904


Before he knows it he might be.......


http://youtu.be/kz5WfmBPM_0

[littleroundman]

BREAKING NEWS: Mark Ghobril House In Foreclosure????? I normally would not pick on anyone in foreclosure. But he did brag on his site that he was a BB Millionaire!!!! So are we to believe his BB guarantee???? Is This The Same Mark Ghobril?????? PUBLIC RECORDS: Mark ghobril property Foreclosure (http://www.slideshare.net/Scams2Ponzis/mark-ghobril-property-1)

*** 511 Easton St Carrier Rte: C037
Ronkonkoma, NY 11779-6155 Census Tract: 1466044000
Loc: Islip Town
District: 500 Block: 100 Tax Unit:
Section: 8400 Lot: 34000
Additional Lot: N
Owner Info: Do Not Call: Mailing Opt Out:
Owner: M Ghobril Etal
Owner Addl: Mailing Address:
Company: 511 Easton St Carrier Rte: C037
Own Ph#: 631 615-6700 Ronkonkoma, NY 11779-6155
Ownership:

It most certainly is the same 'Mark Ghobril"


Mark Ghobril - 1 person in US

Mark Ghobril, ~49 (http://radaris.com/%7EMark-Ghobril/920000763) view details (http://radaris.com/%7EMark-Ghobril/920000763)
Known also: Mark J Ghobril (http://radaris.com/p/Mark/Ghobril/), M Ghobril (http://radaris.com/p/M/Ghobril/), Marc Ghobril (http://radaris.com/p/Marc/Ghobril/)
Lived in: Ronkonkoma, NYBethpage, NY

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Leader at BannersBroker (AD)
Locality: Ronkonkoma, New York
Work: BannersBroker (AD), Leader (Dec 2011- 2012)
BannersBroker (AD), Affiliate (2011-2012)
Education: St. Patrick's Sarnia (-)

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Mark Ghobril
511 Easton St, Ronkonkoma, NY 11779
(631) 615-6700



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http://graph.facebook.com/100001540777464/picture?width=200&height=200 (http://radaris.com/ng/go/1613504-2635793/facebook/0)

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[scamassassin007]

Take This To The Bank?????

Guarantee?
https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/q71/s720x720/1517669_203306436534681_1132109715_n.jpg

MarkGhobril.com is still not up after many weeks!
Did Mark Not Pay His Bill?
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More Rants From General Gerbil!
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BREAKING NEWS: Mark Ghobril House In Foreclosure????? I normally would not pick on anyone in foreclosure. But he did brag on his site that he was a BB Millionaire!!!! So are we to believe his BB guarantee???? Is This The Same Mark Ghobril?????? PUBLIC RECORDS: Mark ghobril property Foreclosure (http://www.slideshare.net/Scams2Ponzis/mark-ghobril-property-1)

*** 511 Easton St Carrier Rte: C037
Ronkonkoma, NY 11779-6155 Census Tract: 1466044000
Loc: Islip Town
District: 500 Block: 100 Tax Unit:
Section: 8400 Lot: 34000
Additional Lot: N
Owner Info: Do Not Call: Mailing Opt Out:
Owner: M Ghobril Etal
Owner Addl: Mailing Address:
Company: 511 Easton St Carrier Rte: C037
Own Ph#: 631 615-6700 Ronkonkoma, NY 11779-6155
Ownership:

Taxes Assessments Lot Description
Tax Class: 472807 Land Value: $8,900 Acres: 0.26
Imp Value: $25,400 Lot Square Footage: 11326
Taxes: $6,991 Total Value: $34,300 Lot Frontage Feet: 100
Tax Year: 12 Assessment Update Date: 7/11/2013 Lot Depth:
Exemption: Y Data Update Date: 6/24/2010 Market Total Value: $294,421
Schools SD#:R07 Connetquot State School Code: SCR07

Property Characteristics
Property Class: 210 - Single Family Residence Style: Land Use: Single Fam
Stories: Year Built: Property Indic: Single Family Residence / Townhouse
Baths Total: Ext Walls: Garage: Park:
Fuel: Pool: Ground Floor Sqft: Univ Bldg Sqft:
Sewer: Water:

Deed Info:
Deed Date: 6/23/2008 Sold Price: $339,500 Mortgage Recording Date:
Deed Recording Date: 7/2/2008 Grantor: Vatter G & M Mortgage Amount:
Deed Book/Page: 12556 / 606 Lender:
Multi APN:
Sales Deed Categ: Grant Deed 2nd Mtg:

Historical Deed 1:
Deed Date: Sold Price:
Deed Recording Date: 8/3/1979 Grantor:
Deed Book/Page: 8670 / 224 Grantee: Vatter George
Multi APN:
Sales Deed Categ: Grant Deed

Lis Pendens Info:
Lis Pendens Amount: $339,267 Lis Pendens Plaintiff: Bac Home Loans Servicing Lp Lis Pendens Book/Page:
Lis Pendens Date: 4/6/2010 Lis Pendens Index#: 10 11782
------ PUBLIC RECORDS.
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Did Mark Ghobril Guarantee The Cash Payments That He Took From His Victims????
This just makes me SICK!

Millions In Scam Money Just Does Not Buy What It Used To!

[scamassassin007]

My How BB Has Grown In 3 Years!

http://www.calbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/no-bullshit-300x300.jpg

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[Joe_Shmoe]

BannersBroker.com Displays "File not found." Been down for some time I believe.

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[littleroundman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=I3eptC7kXPc

http://imageshack.com/a/img706/7905/nsgs.jpg

[Fat City, LA]

Everyone should report above video for promoting a ponzi. Here is an example of how its done.
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[ribshaw]

Alan.Sills handles things like a little pinch bug. No one is worthy of his time unless they are calling to join his "team" or kissing his pimp ring. People not being paid in a year, hardly worth discussion.

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[udecide]

for anybody still trying to dispute whether or not BB is a ponzi or not, i have a little information to share. This is from my personal experience as working within bannersbroker, as both a technical support position as well as a account coordinator. BANNERS BROKER IS 100% a ponzi scheme and will do so much to cover up their tracks. here are just some of the things i had noticed from working their for almost a year: During down times they we try to make employees scourge through the internet, forums etc. to find anyone who is talking bad about the company, or claiming that it is a ponzi, and find out if they username from one site is linked to theirs, by doing so they would lock out accounts until the information was removed from the web. Which is kinda funny when you think about it, cause once something goes on the internet it is there forever lol. as people reblog it, and quote it etc. soon enough the company was falling apart piece by piece, and they created 2 full time position that sole job was to through the net finding "false" info about them. that was just their clean up crew. But now lets talk about the ponzi scheme this company had going. When i was there i was noticed many accounts waiting for low payments sometimes between 70 - 300 waiting months upon months for the payments to go through. occasionally a payment would go through, but then supposedly something would go wrong on the payment processors end, and it would be reversed back into the BB account. Now remember i told you that people were waiting months for such tiny payments considering BB tells its affiliates it pays out millions a year. They honestly do, no doubt but its not to the small players. while i was there i had access to every account on the site. i could see all payment transactions. The funniest thing for me, was they were complaining to all the small guys that payments are backtracked and they would soon get back to getting all payments out in the timely fashion, however the to the big players, i show withdrawal requests get made at 12:00pm, and on the very same day around 2:00pm the payment was successful and paid out, and the amount paid out $100,000. Yes, a huge amount no wonder they arent playing so many affiliates, they claim to limit monthly withdrawals to 10K but they are approved these guys no problem for 100,000 and really within 2 hours like WTF. end of the day in any ponzi the top players get richer and richer. Also all these guys in other countries like ian driscoll, paul macarthy, etc. have BB accounts too i've seen Ian driscolls, he was able to withdraw $400,000 before he was released from BB for some unknown reason. And Rajiv has an account under his parents names, his siblings just so he can continuously withdraw money, and when it comes down to it, they will most likely just say they invested in the company. Anyways this is just some of the information i can give you about BB, you will have to decide for yourself if you believe BB is a ponzi or not, but at least i can somewhat influence your choice.
Thanks, udecide

[Demiancaceres]

Hey folks, beacon, littelroundman and the warriors in here.

I read through all the last posts after my last one and here are my updates.

I sent in my particulars of claim as the judge ordered me and now Simon has to file in his proper defense (not just a scribble as the judge said on the hearing day...these are his words)

And then I have to wait to have a hearing date.

So far, yeah, I have thought about offering Simon the possibility to settle this out of court (it would certainly be in his benefit if he was smart enough to accept it), but that would be EGOISTIC from my part. It would save me a lot of energy, time and money that I could be focusing on my business and not this...

But I wouldn't be setting a precedent case that OTHERS can benefit from. I prefer to help others and this is why I am continuing.

Anyway, so I am still gathering evidences, contacting solicitors, news, reporters in the area, finding more victims to help them and get them to the hearing as witnesses, etc...

I a doing a lot and it's stressing me quite a bit. I am not checking the forum daily but I will keep you guys updated.

Any help is appreciated. I think we all agree that we all want to help others not to get scammed and we want to see scammers getting what they deserve.

So again, any help is highly appreciated.
Demian

[littleroundman]

The funniest thing for me, was they were complaining to all the small guys that payments are backtracked and they would soon get back to getting all payments out in the timely fashion, however the to the big players, i show withdrawal requests get made at 12:00pm, and on the very same day around 2:00pm the payment was successful and paid out, and the amount paid out $100,000. Yes, a huge amount no wonder they arent playing so many affiliates, they claim to limit monthly withdrawals to 10K but they are approved these guys no problem for 100,000 and really within 2 hours like WTF. end of the day in any ponzi the top players get richer and richer. Also all these guys in other countries like ian driscoll, paul macarthy, etc. have BB accounts too i've seen Ian driscolls, he was able to withdraw $400,000 before he was released from BB for some unknown reason.

Hiya, udecide, welcome to REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) and thanks for the inside info.

You've exposed a giant truth about how HYIP ponzi frauds are run.

Insiders, such as Simon Stepsys / Allan Sills / Jamie Waters make virtually all of their money from referrals, especially from the extensive downline they bring with them from scam to scam.

Insiders risk little, if any money of their own. The huge cheques they like to flash as often as possible are made up almost entirely from referral commissions and kickbacks which are totally unavailable to ordinary "members"

[Joe_Shmoe]

for anybody still trying to dispute whether or not BB is a ponzi or not, i have a little information to share. This is from my personal experience as working within bannersbroker, as both a technical support position as well as a account coordinator. BANNERS BROKER IS 100% a ponzi scheme and will do so much to cover up their tracks. here are just some of the things i had noticed from working their for almost a year: During down times they we try to make employees scourge through the internet, forums etc. to find anyone who is talking bad about the company, or claiming that it is a ponzi, and find out if they username from one site is linked to theirs, by doing so they would lock out accounts until the information was removed from the web. Which is kinda funny when you think about it, cause once something goes on the internet it is there forever lol. as people reblog it, and quote it etc. soon enough the company was falling apart piece by piece, and they created 2 full time position that sole job was to through the net finding "false" info about them. that was just their clean up crew. But now lets talk about the ponzi scheme this company had going. When i was there i was noticed many accounts waiting for low payments sometimes between 70 - 300 waiting months upon months for the payments to go through. occasionally a payment would go through, but then supposedly something would go wrong on the payment processors end, and it would be reversed back into the BB account. Now remember i told you that people were waiting months for such tiny payments considering BB tells its affiliates it pays out millions a year. They honestly do, no doubt but its not to the small players. while i was there i had access to every account on the site. i could see all payment transactions. The funniest thing for me, was they were complaining to all the small guys that payments are backtracked and they would soon get back to getting all payments out in the timely fashion, however the to the big players, i show withdrawal requests get made at 12:00pm, and on the very same day around 2:00pm the payment was successful and paid out, and the amount paid out $100,000. Yes, a huge amount no wonder they arent playing so many affiliates, they claim to limit monthly withdrawals to 10K but they are approved these guys no problem for 100,000 and really within 2 hours like WTF. end of the day in any ponzi the top players get richer and richer. Also all these guys in other countries like ian driscoll, paul macarthy, etc. have BB accounts too i've seen Ian driscolls, he was able to withdraw $400,000 before he was released from BB for some unknown reason. And Rajiv has an account under his parents names, his siblings just so he can continuously withdraw money, and when it comes down to it, they will most likely just say they invested in the company. Anyways this is just some of the information i can give you about BB, you will have to decide for yourself if you believe BB is a ponzi or not, but at least i can somewhat influence your choice.
Thanks, udecide

Welcome to Real Scam udecide,

How many actual active affiliates or victims would you say Banners Broker has or had?
Also did they pay you and the other staff well?
How many actual employees did they have in Canada and or Belize?
What site or sites was the scam run from
Where you aware of the visit by the UK "leaders" to the warehouse in Canada? If so what was the story behind that?

[Arthur Foxache]

Good Luck to you Demian..try to take a half hour meditation break a day ,to help deal with the stress,.. A good site is "Healing Beats".. Again good Luck..

[scamassassin007]

URGENT BB ANNOUNCEMENT JULY 28th, 2014

Chris Smith Has The Answer We Have All Been Waiting For!

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---> Latest update from Chris Smith from BB on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/85051424)

Pure Genius!

BB ROCKS!

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[scamassassin007]

Hala Lu Ya!

Another Mark Ghobril Rant!

Why doesn't he let his down line leave real messages on his video?

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-------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3eptC7kXPc&feature=youtu.be

[scamassassin007]

[quote name='theguardianuno' date='Jan 28 2014, 09:42 AM' post='1108673377']
Tip of the hat to Ribshaw for this -

"I see him as an honorable business professional"

These words will haunt Al for the rest of his life soon, #iceberg

Al shows just how the ponzi pimps react when people have valid critisim using business logic and challenge their apologist ways. Forget that Chris owes hundred + million dollars of debt, just pay your $10 that he is asking for or walk away, no I won't bring up why we have to pay $10 from our pockets and not from the thousands in our Ewallets.

http://www.realscam.com/attachments/f8/6911d1390920510-banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-pinchfight1.jpg



Thank You TGU

[Mundorf]

# Feb 04,2014 - Blackout of heavily wounded beast

# Feb 05,2014 - Tesla lightnings, sparks and over voltage transients kill great number of sheep,lambs,pigs and goats

# Feb 10,2014 - End of hope for the survived sheep,lambs,pigs and goats

# Feb 10,2014 - The still mobile flock will be down for refinement into sausages,steaks and cans

# Feb 11,2014 - The new Brutal Butcher LAUNCHES

[scamassassin007]

Who Would Like To Trust Them Again?

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[hendyphilhendy]

Welcome to Real Scam udecide,

How many actual active affiliates or victims would you say Banners Broker has or had?
Also did they pay you and the other staff well?
How many actual employees did they have in Canada and or Belize?
What site or sites was the scam run from
Where you aware of the visit by the UK "leaders" to the warehouse in Canada? If so what was the story behind that?


I would add to those questions
- where did you actually work, Stellarpoint or BB and at what location?
- What is the background of Chris, assuming you met him and spoke with him?
- are there any other key players or names that you can mention
- When did you work there
- was there any actual advertising network and do they have an key advertising contacts.



It is very rare I doubt anything/ anyone on the anti BB side but what you have posted is actually nothing any of us have not already revealed. Give us something new to get stuck in to that could help the cause.

[Whip]

Who Would Like To Trust Them Again?

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You forgot all the personal info that they were told to give them also. Wonder how much he'll make off that.

[littleroundman]

udecide,

if you have more information you'd care to share, but feel uncomfortable posting in open forum, might I suggest you use the Personal Messaging system to pass on information to any one of the site admins.

[Fat City, LA]

Alan Shills latest YouTube video

It Should be titled - It's the economy stupid.

By the way he would still like to recruit you into Banners Broker. He says "Banners Broker is on the right track" :RpS_lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxbvH6ufgNE

"Banners Broker is moving onto "Version 3" - it may be thought of as the FIRST "non-beta" version. Yup, the company that some have pronounced as "DOA" is alive and kicking... and moving towards a long-term sustainable business model." :RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

Ahhh! Version 2.9 was a Beta version! Funny nobody mentioned that in the past.

Great job everyone. Pic isnt clear it says:
"YouTube users have flagged this video as possibly a scam, spam, or commercially deceptive content"

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[scamassassin007]

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You forgot all the personal info that they were told to give them also. Wonder how much he'll make off that.

I think the BIG news of the week was the fact that Mark Ghobril opened his BIG MOUTH yet again and made a "GUARANTEE" remark that "IF AND WHEN" BB fails.. He will pay us all back (our original investment amount).

Complaints are mounting on FB with the Cash payments that MG and other leaders have made from BB victims.

Then one of Marks victims came forward and gave proof that Marks house is in Foreclosure and he did not pay for his scam site "MarkGhobril.com wish has been offline for weeks . He claimed on the site that he was a BB Millionaire".

It just boils down to more lies and deception. How anyone could ever trust the whole lot of them in IML, MAP, AHP , or any scam is beyond me. You can almost bet that when scammers like Lieven even hint at touching something... It will SCAM! Whether it be BB or Profitable Sunrise... It is very funny that the same leaders are in almost all of them. It is also amazing that the same leaders are the only ones who ever make any money while the masses lose it all.

Also, for the sake of argument.. For all of those BB members who are "JUST WAITING" You have to ask yourself.. Is it worth the money with all of that "CLICKING" and the headaches, let alone the fact that more new people will be scammed? You are more likely to get carpal tunnel then to get Rich with Banners Broker at this point. And you are more likely to make more money flipping burgers at a fast food restaurant then making money with BB.

So many LIES, Excuses, and half Truths... almost Weekly... Yet many of the sheep still believe.

Memory Lane...
Remember when BB was to be the next Google?
Remember when Lieven, Kul, Hooker, Raj, and Driscoll were the next best thing since sliced bread .. Until they leave. ???
Remember the Audit that was supposed to solve everything and show BB's Transparency?
Remember all the weekly promises of payments?
Remember the countless excuses why not to pay?
Remember in April when Chris said not to worry there is plenty of money...
A couple months Later David Hooker went on a strange rant that their was a "run on the bank"
remember the "LEAKED LEADER INFO" that BB's money was held up in Cypress?
Remember more recently that some of the leaders claim BB is a victim and that Stellar Point STOLE over $300 Millions...
(I personally think he leadership calls are well orchestrated propaganda Info" so the Leaders can be "IN THE KNOW" and leak it. )

I could go on and on...


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A message to the BB die-hard followers....

At what point will you hold Chris Smith and BB accountable? You obviously won't reason with facts. You won't allow any comments or questions that is not considered to positive or pro-BB.

You bring in the elderly or people who are unknowing from many Countries.
You also prey on friendships, bringing them into the BB Skype rooms only telling them of the great bounty that awaits and show of your color back offices overflowing with money.
The victims only hear POSITIVE tid-bits and are told to stay clear of evil bloggers.

When will you admit that the BB ship has not only sailed.. but sank long ago.
Why take more victims?

Why does this remind me of the old fable... "The Frog and the Scorpion"

http://todaysmanager.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/frog-scorpion.jpg

[Ken Roklin]

for anybody still trying to dispute whether or not BB is a ponzi or not, i have a little information to share. This is from my personal experience as working within bannersbroker, as both a technical support position as well as a account coordinator. BANNERS BROKER IS 100% a ponzi scheme and will do so much to cover up their tracks. here are just some of the things i had noticed from working their for almost a year: During down times they we try to make employees scourge through the internet, forums etc. to find anyone who is talking bad about the company, or claiming that it is a ponzi, and find out if they username from one site is linked to theirs, by doing so they would lock out accounts until the information was removed from the web. Which is kinda funny when you think about it, cause once something goes on the internet it is there forever lol. as people reblog it, and quote it etc. soon enough the company was falling apart piece by piece, and they created 2 full time position that sole job was to through the net finding "false" info about them. that was just their clean up crew. But now lets talk about the ponzi scheme this company had going. When i was there i was noticed many accounts waiting for low payments sometimes between 70 - 300 waiting months upon months for the payments to go through. occasionally a payment would go through, but then supposedly something would go wrong on the payment processors end, and it would be reversed back into the BB account. Now remember i told you that people were waiting months for such tiny payments considering BB tells its affiliates it pays out millions a year. They honestly do, no doubt but its not to the small players. while i was there i had access to every account on the site. i could see all payment transactions. The funniest thing for me, was they were complaining to all the small guys that payments are backtracked and they would soon get back to getting all payments out in the timely fashion, however the to the big players, i show withdrawal requests get made at 12:00pm, and on the very same day around 2:00pm the payment was successful and paid out, and the amount paid out $100,000. Yes, a huge amount no wonder they arent playing so many affiliates, they claim to limit monthly withdrawals to 10K but they are approved these guys no problem for 100,000 and really within 2 hours like WTF. end of the day in any ponzi the top players get richer and richer. Also all these guys in other countries like ian driscoll, paul macarthy, etc. have BB accounts too i've seen Ian driscolls, he was able to withdraw $400,000 before he was released from BB for some unknown reason. And Rajiv has an account under his parents names, his siblings just so he can continuously withdraw money, and when it comes down to it, they will most likely just say they invested in the company. Anyways this is just some of the information i can give you about BB, you will have to decide for yourself if you believe BB is a ponzi or not, but at least i can somewhat influence your choice.
Thanks, udecide

Good information from someone within. However, what you describe doesn't make it a Ponzi. Paying the top promoters and not all affiliates isn't right but doesn't make it a Ponzi, it just shows BB and SP were scamming the affiliates and Chris doesn't care about the affiliates as he claims and only wants their monthly fees.

What makes it a Ponzi, and if you could confirm this: were there enough product sales to generate the revenue paid to all the affiliates that did get paid or did the revenue to pay them come from the fees paid by the affiliates? That is what makes it a Ponzi.

[littleroundman]

Ponzi / Pyramid, Pyramid / Ponzi ????

Who cares ??

It's a fraud involving pyramid scheme, ponzi scheme, securities fraud, criminal fraud, wire fraud and criminal conspiracy

[Beacon]

Ponzi / Pyramid, Pyramid / Ponzi ????

Who cares ??

It's a fraud involving pyramid scheme, ponzi scheme, securities fraud, criminal fraud, wire fraud and criminal conspiracy

Fair point . Buy the law will refer to what was being done and it actually does matter in court because a picture has to be drawn and the evidence to support that picture produced.

As I see it is a Ponzi because ALL the money paid out to anyone came from later investors. maybe some was recycled but ALL came from others save possibly the 50k or so seed money from "investors" (from Kul's pal? IIR) which started it and paid off early pimps/salesmen boiler room operatives .
Scamworld: 'Get rich quick' schemes mutate into an online monster | The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/10/2984893/scamworld-get-rich-quick-schemes-mutate-into-an-online-monster)


Then Raj robbed from the poor to give to the rich (him) and sent some back to the top guys and a few crumbs to the later joiners but it all came from later people joining. no ad money or any other money in just joiners money = a ponzi.

[EagleOne]

Ponzi is the word/term used to describe a type of illegal investment. It is called a Ponzi because people get paid by new people joining so the early people in can be paid. That is the definition of a Ponzi. It all collapses when not enough new people are joining and putting in enough money for it to continue. They all collapse at some point as they run out of enough people joining.

A scam is a different type of illegal investment. A scam is one where a future event is required for people to get paid, but that event never happens. All of the Reverse Pension Plans were a scam. They had to have x-number of people signed up, they had to reach a certain number of units sold, etc., etc..

When charges are filed, whether civil or criminal, it usually centers around these three: money laundering, bank fraud, and wire fraud. Sometimes it is only one, but it can be two or all three. Some additional charges could be filed, but these are the three major charges.

BB started out as a straight line double cycler, not as an advertising business. When that failed to produce enough new members to join, they changed it to being an advertising business and their infamous "blind network." This is what has sustained BB for as long as it has. If it had remained a straight line double cycler, this would have been over about 18 months ago, if it would have lasted that long.

All one has to do is stop and use their head. If BB was truly in the advertising business, buying ad space and all the other BS they have spouted about their business, and it was real, they would be paying on time like clockwork. For there would have been a real business behind it and they would have truly been doing advertising as they claimed. There has never been any advertising of any kind period. It is all smoke and mirrors and hundreds of thousands of people bought it. The major promoters always know it is all BS and a Ponzi. They don't care as this is how they make a living stealing from others claiming they are making money as an Internet Marketer. Look at all the other Ponzi's they are now promoting, and many of them have already gone belly-up. They are off to the next greatest thing, or at least they claim it is the next great thing and a real "business opportunity."

So the burden of proof is not to prove it is a Ponzi, which it is, but if there is money laundering, wire fraud or bank fraud. All you have to do is look at all the cases that charges have been filed, and you will see the word Ponzi is not used in filing charges. They will mention it in the trial to describe the activity, but not as part of the charges.

[Beacon]

Ponzi is ...people get paid by new people joining so the early people in can be paid. ... They all collapse at some point as they run out of enough people joining.

A scam is a different type of illegal investment. ...a future event is required for people to get paid, but that event never happens. ...

When charges are filed, whether civil or criminal, it usually centers around these three: money laundering, bank fraud, and wire fraud.
...
So the burden of proof is not to prove it is a Ponzi, which it is, but if there is money laundering, wire fraud or bank fraud.


Just in case people think I was making a moot or academic point allow me to clarify

1. Depending on whether it is criminal "burden of proof" or civil "balance of evidence" different standards apply for a court to pronounce guilt.

2. An actual law may have to be referred to. In the US over the last half century law has become more "positive" as opposed to "natural". What I mean is an actual written law as opposed to the spirit of the law or something which isn't actually written down.
SO for example a woman is walking around topless with exposed breasts in New York but the police don't do anything because there is no actual law in the criminal code which forbids it.
Topless Women in Public Not Breaking the Law, Says NYPD - PolicyMic (http://www.policymic.com/articles/42359/topless-women-in-public-not-breaking-the-law-says-nypd).

In the UK or Ireland where BB collapsed already, they would have a view of the law as having "unenumerated rights" in other words right which are not written down but are there and get added usually by court case law decisions e.g the right to bodily integrity Ironically these are supported by the enumerated Article 40.3 or the Irish constitution.BUNREACHT NA hIREANN (http://www.constitution.org/cons/ireland/constitution_ireland-en.htm)
The term "personal rights", as interpreted by the courts, has led to the recognition and vindication of many rights not expressly provided for in the text of the Constitution.

3. Note in 2, I mentioned "code". Ireland (with a written constitution) and England (with an unwritten constitution) are common law jurisdictions as opposed to Europe and the US who operate under codified law. "There's no law against it" is only becoming prevalent because kids watch US TV shows.

Now the above may seem academic but I bring it to your attention because
1. The basic underlying attitude to law as well as the actual system and particular laws do in practice affect the way a court operates with respect to a scam/ponzi or whatever
and
2. Maybe more importantly than restitution is prevention not by legislation but by cultural education to stop getting into trouble in the first place because -and this is my non academic point -
http://pyramidschemealert.org/is-social-security-a-ponzi-scheme-pyramid-scheme-alert-answers-no/
The biggest reason people fall into Ponzi traps is not greed, but lack of understanding of what Ponzis or Pyramids actually are.

So such a discussion is healthy and it isn't knit picking to tease it out as by rehearsing the arguments. Readers of this thread then become more aware of the mechanism of scams or ponzis whether or not they agree with the definitions.

I might add in relation to this just yesterday on radio I heard someone refer to a US Supreme Court Judge who apparently mentioned he hadn't gotten around to email yet. If the Highest Court in the land isn't aware of the possibilities of Information Technology legal restitution is certainly less preferable than social awareness. But then again I come from a common law jurisdiction where we don't tend to think "what law am I breaking " "there is no law against it" as an excuse for doing something wrong while at the same time we also tend not to avoid doing things and do as we like on our own initiative, rather than wait for the State first to legislate or regulate how we should do something before we then do it. :):RpS_smile:

[Della Cate]

In case anyone has not seen it, here is today's webinar.

Please note that Chris wants to make the affiliates happy.....aw, sweet!

Paying them might help of course.

Good morning everyone. I'm setting up my screen so you can see it. In the meantime, please post your questions in the question box and we will get to those as soon as we can.

We are coming up to our launch timeframe. I want to make you aware of the amount of work that has to be done for the migration. A lot of tough decisions have been made. We are trying our best to be sure both sides are satisfied. This has been very difficult. We have had a lot of discussions. This week we are still making tweaks to the proposal for BBv3. We are first running it by our key leaders to make sure everyone is on board. We want them to buy into those ideas. They are given the opportunity to make their feelings known on the board. If we put something forth that is not going to be adopted by the affiliates, then why should we do that?

We are trying our best to get caught up on payouts. We are still plowing away and trying to make sure BB is here for the long term.

BLACKOUT DATE extended:

It is Friday, and we have already mentioned that we want to do the blackout next week. To be fair for the programmers, they are given a document with clear guidance of what to do. We did not realize that it would take this much programming effort for the migration. This is what is known as scoping. And because of the advice and discussions these things keep changing. Our programming team has asked for more time to accomplish this. Here we are now and we are trying to do this correct and not just release something because the date is here, but we want to do it properly. the team has asked for more time. We have decided to extend the timeframe. We still have items that are changing for the benefit of the membership, so you should welcome these changes that we are putting in place. We will announce and present a full completed document when all the changes are completed and finally decided upon.

(Having trouble getting the PowerPoint loaded)

(Chris will just read his notes instead)

A few things that we have agreed to:

We have decided that for people who are Premium now, they will have 120 days from the launch (or when you begin your membership again - pay your $10 for your first month, which you have 90 days to do). Let's say you pay on March 1st. That is your admin fee for one month, then you will have 90 days or 3 months as a Standard member - $15/month. This gives people a chance to feel out the system and make sure you are comfortable being a Premium member again.

For Premium affiliates
Month 1 - $10
Month 2-4 - $15

Executives will begin as Premium ($100/mo) (after 1st month paying $10) and decide later if they want to go to Exec.

Your new subscription date will be based on when you pay your $10. So the day before the blackout, we will retroactively go back and credit your accounts for any admin fee you have already paid recently. A pro-rated amount will be refunded to your account. You will continue to pay now up until blackout, then you will be pro-rated based on when the Blackout begins.

(Chris explained this in detail - please watch the video replay)

When will PDF be available? We were hoping to have it today, however there have been changes made as late as today, to we want to make it accurate and reflect all the changes before we release it to the membership.

Payout update? We need to go through the banking system with wires to Payza and STP. Payza recently changes where to send wire, I am waiting for this info from Payza. I will be sending a wire to STP also, so we can do an STP payout also. I will be doing one more Payza and one more STP prior to blackout.

Reversals of withdrawals - reverse it yourself or don't reverse it. All pending withdrawals will be reversed. If YOU reverse them, then a percentage will go into your Advertising Credits eWallet in BBv3 and a percentage into your Legacy eWallet (percentages based on when you joined). If you DO NOT reverse your withdrawals, then 100% will go into your Legacy eWallet. So if you want a percentage available in BBv3 to spend as cash for purchases, then you should reverse the withdrawals.

10%, 15%, 20%, 25% (based on sign up date - see last week's webinar)

We will have 2 Queue's in the system

#1 - This is money earned in BBv3 - weekly withdrawal requests. One pending withdrawal in the system - once that's paid out, you can create another one.

#2 - Legacy Wallet - system will generate the order based on the factors: 1) what was your earliest pending withdrawal date. Queue 2 will be paid out once a month. Once your payment is paid, you can create another one.

2 pending withdrawals maximum - one in each Queue.

Legacy Wallet is your BBv2.9 earnings.
BBv3 eWallet is money earned in BBv3

When can we buy a new package in version 3? As soon as it's live, NEW MEMBERS can register and purchase a new package. Existing affiliates already have a package and cannot purchase another one.

Can we pay with a credit card? Yes

Other ways:
STP
Payza
Allied Wallet
World eWallet

PowerPoint slides? Yes we have updated this, and are sorry we have not been able to play it today. PowerPoint is informational and we want to make a live webinar with this.

PDF - a written document to reflect the changes with the rationale of why we are doing this.

Rationale: we are not doing this only for the corporate side. We truly are trying to make you happy, because if you are profitable then you will continue on with BB and the system will work for everyone. It would not make sense to not want to please our affiliates.

Max withdrawals: $250/week for now until we are good to go.

Blackout date will be announced shortly. We want to make sure all the changes are done and incorporated in the programming and on all documentation to you.

Thanks for your patience. Thanks for our support center and our programmers. thanks to everyone who is making BB come to live today and for tomorrow. Talk to you soon.

(end of webinar)
(summary notes prepared by Linda Lane and are not meant to be official BB transcripts. Please include this with all repostings.)

I love the fact that the It genius couldn't work the PowerPoint presentation! Classic.

[Della Cate]

And here, courtesy of Rockin Ronnie, is a little piece on the BB Blog about the "choice" network.

With the transition to BBv3, there are some fundamental changes to the way that Banners Broker will operate. One of the most common that you have likely heard is the shift from a system that appears to be passive.

Another change in direction is the role that the Choice Network will play in the ongoing success of Banners Broker:

· More Sites – We are adding more sites to the Choice Network to make it larger and more diverse.

Better Content – In order to make these sites more appealing, the content on these sites will be improving, including well-written articles and blogs and more relevant information.

Improved Web Presence – these sites will be SEO optimized which will create more traffic, which will make these sites more appealing and therefore generate more traffic to them and other sites.

What all of these changes mean is that there will be more sites that people will visit. A big part of this will be the role that affiliates will pay in promoting these sites through Organic Traffic campaigns and Incentive tasks. The success of these sites will create more ad revenue and continue to make Banners Broker and all of its affiliates ever more successful.

Bold highlighting is mine.

Has anyone seen any of these choice sites? I would love to see them, to see that standard of the user generated content, but I'm frightened of picking up a virus or something. (Don't laugh techies.....unlike Chris Smith, I'm not an IT genius)

[Mundorf]

Same old crap....but this is really hilarious..."It would not make sense to not want to please our affiliates":RpS_lol::RpS_lol:.....or it was said as sarcasm?...Chris,was it?

[Joe_Shmoe]

Has anyone seen any of these choice sites? I would love to see them, to see that standard of the user generated content, but I'm frightened of picking up a virus or something. (Don't laugh techies.....unlike Chris Smith, I'm not an IT genius)


Here is an example of some of the high quality content available on www.careerdonkey.com (http://www.careerdonkey.com) Navigating the site is like swimming through treacle, but I'm guessing thats 'cos it's so dammed busy with people clamoring to read some of the incredably valuable info on there.

Quality information like this will drive millions of pairs of eyeballs to the choice network to view the many ads, thereby earning Banners Broker & their affiliates many many millions of dollars. :RpS_lol:




Remember this is the content they approved, imagine what the stuff they rejected was like. :RpS_smile:


Career planning staff

JANUARY 30, 2014 (http://careerdonkey.com/career-planning-staff/) UNCATEGORIZED NO COMMENTS (http://careerdonkey.com/career-planning-staff/#respond)
Today it is difficult to find and retain the high-level professional. High salary is not always the decisive argument. For most people is important incentives in your career, so you need to career planning each key employee for stabilization of the team. Career are grouped by types depending on their orientation. Horizontal or qualification career – man acquires new knowledge, improving skills, but remains on the same position or goes on the same level in another unit. Plastic KBE window to buy in Moscow, PVC Windows KBE metal, prices, reviews. To this career can be attributed complication of tasks in office with higher remuneration. Vertical career – employee goes on a post of the higher level, increasing its status in the organization. The concept of «career» is often associated with this type.

Career classified by types of key changes. Bossy career – expanding sphere of influence, increasing informal powers. Monetary career – increases the income of an employee, a position can not change. Centripetal career – movement of an employee to a management company. For example, it is ideal for meetings and meetings of an informal character, honest communication with superiors. Pure data types quarry are rare, so there’s another type of combined career in which an employee is in different ways at different stages of work. People have different life plans, as the attitude to a career. To align the company’s needs in staff with personal goals of people, many companies involved in the planning of the career of its employees.

For this you need to assess personnel, which allows to divide employees into groups for which planning of the career development needs to be done first. Estimated personal characteristics and ability of the employee: professional and managerial capacity; loyalty to the company; striving for professional growth. You need to consider how to move a person from one position to another affect the efficiency of the unit, where he was transferred and how it is compatible with the head. So before planning your movements are assessed factors: interpersonal compatibility workers; dynamics of change of trends in the OU. Career success of every employee depends on his motivation to change, therefore, in assessing the need to highlight and the incentives that have value for the person.

Such incentives can be: Status. It is important for people sensitive to prestige, who appreciate the influence, power, promotion. Welfare. Impact on employees who need material support, comfortable life and work. The uniqueness. These employees appreciate the singularity problem, its intellectual complexity. Maintaining the achieved level (status, wealth, uniqueness). For these people the increase in material prosperity, uniqueness and status not always has a positive influence on the efficiency and lowering – will negatively. The process is distinguished career stages, so we need to assess what stage of your career development is an employee at the present time. Career start (career planned). Career development (career develops, restructuring of the existing position or changed place of work). Stabilization career. End of a career – dismissal of the employee. By making a one-time assessment of prospective employees can make a slice of human potential of the company, development and introduction of system of monitoring of factors significant for the development of career opportunity to manage the promotion and development of employees.

To calculate levels of customer are taken into account indicators of personnel satisfaction. If the employee is loyal, he is characterized by high and medium parameters: – the satisfaction of the group; – satisfaction; – satisfaction of production; – satisfaction of household and material conditions. For calculation of the intensity needs to take place in the profession settings are ignored: the pursuit of a career, purposefulness, the attractiveness of the kind of profession, desire for power. What is of more importance these parameters, the more a person feels the need to take place professionally. At achievement of group goals employees is regarded as one whole. So, when you move workers in a company it is important to assess changes in the group trends.

When the career planning staff is most value definition stage in my career, which is the employee. Consider the career process from the arrival of the person in the company. First employee expects to career growth and has increased the importance of the indicator «the desire to take place in the profession». At this stage you have to actively shape the career of the employee. After the entry of the person in the rhythm of decrease of this indicator, the stabilization career. Managers of the company on the given moment should plan a career move to the employee again was at the stage of active career development. If no move, the person increases the desire professionally take place, and integrated satisfaction decreases. It is necessary at this stage to transfer the employee to another position or to restructure the post. If no changes occur, it is the fourth stage, when an employee leaves the company or passes in the category of candidates for dismissal due to reduced motivation and productivity.

Tracing the stages of career development gives an opportunity to realize professional and management potential of each employee. After the evaluation of all factors HR Manager is individual recommendations for the development and career planning for each employee. Thus, all the key employees of the company provided a successful career development. Development and career planning staff of the increase of loyalty of employees to the company, forms a team, a positive impact on the results of the work. Recommendations on career planning: 1. The preservation of the achieved status and well-being. You need a combination of powerful centripetal, monetary and qualification types of career. Association of qualification and centripetal career may be the extension of official duties, the participation in conferences, training.

The increase of official duties, it is desirable to make the payment. This will ensure the implementation of monetary type of career. A powerful type of career can be implemented through the expansion of the functional duties within the office. 2. Against the background of professional and managerial capacities of the worker reveals low comprehensive satisfaction. Therefore, to restructure the position. Thus it is expedient to expand the currently existing authority or to transfer the employee to another unit for the position with great powers. Increase of powers should be combined with the extension of official duties and to changes in wages. So for the employee will be a combination of monetary and powerful careers. Restructuring the position you must maintain control over the level of comprehensive dissatisfaction of the staff and the results of its work.


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[Eponymous]

Blatantly stolen and run through an online translator.

As the webinar may well have been. Because once again, I don't understand a ******* word.

[Fat City, LA]

[COLOR="#0000FF"]

Payout update? We need to go through the banking system with wires to Payza and STP. Payza recently changes where to send wire, I am waiting for this info from Payza. I will be sending a wire to STP also, so we can do an STP payout also. I will be doing one more Payza and one more STP prior to blackout.


Payza wire changes? No mention on their blog for business and users or ANYWHERE else?
https://blog.payza.com/

Even IF true. Payza doesnt want the fees? Takes more than a call or email to get that info in an afternoon?
Chris doesnt even lie well anymore.

[HARRISON]

ALL AFFILIATES MUST NOW HAVE A TWITTER ACCOUNT.

We can all shut up shop and go home folks! Can't wait to read all those tweets!!!!:RpS_smile:

[littleroundman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img801/4345/bu70.jpg

WOW !!!

That's something for all the Twitter and social media users to look forward to.

Your favourite social media site being overrun by Banners Broker members desperately trying to save their accounts by spamming, spamming and more spamming.

Somehow I don't think that's what Jack Dorsey, Evan Williams, Biz Stone and Noah Glass had in mind when they came up with the idea of Twitter or Mark Zuckerberg was thinking of when he launched Facebook

[Joe_Shmoe]

This guy is obviously a Pro. :RpS_smile:

Gulam Ramji (https://www.facebook.com/gulam.ramji)

He is one of Simon Stepsys' victims.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151755794330869&set=pb.757000868.-2207520000.1390780987.&type=3&theater
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[Joe_Shmoe]

Proud to be a Banners Broker.

This doesn't appear to be the most popular facebook group in the world.
There are some amusing comments though.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/538821439539251/

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Some of Pinakee Naik's friends you might be familiar with.

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[kiwichick]

can anyone still see bb website or is it the 'blackout' time?

[Joe_Shmoe]

can anyone still see bb website or is it the 'blackout' time?

It's up right now.

[Mundorf]

Proud to be a Banners Broker.

This doesn't appear to be the most popular facebook group in the world.
There are some amusing comments though.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/538821439539251/

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Some of Pinakee Naik's friends you might be familiar with.

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Joe..don't you think our Pinok...sorry..Pinakee is making a huge mistake?...I do...look...he could wait 2 years more and get 5 000 000 $..in his case he will lose 4 000 000 bucks just because he wants to hit everybody who laughed at him...now which business men priority is to pay 4 000 000 for rewenge ?:RpS_confused:

[scamassassin007]

Thanks to Dan Dare for posting this video on the FB Ponzi Page.
You "GOTTA LAUGH" .. lol

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/q71/s720x720/1011211_205433859655272_1509353851_n.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQlo-e0GFTQ#t=78)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQlo-e0GFTQ#t=78

Nice Job Dan!

[scamassassin007]

Thanks to Dan Dare for posting this video on the FB Ponzi Page.
You "GOTTA LAUGH" .. lol

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/q71/s720x720/1011211_205433859655272_1509353851_n.jpg (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1atnbh_bbponzisong2-alan-s-bb-bus_news)


BBponzisong2 Alan's BB Bus - Video Dailymotion (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1atnbh_bbponzisong2-alan-s-bb-bus_news)

Nice Job Dan!


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1atnbh_bbponzisong2-alan-s-bb-bus_news

Or Another Video Source For Download.
Zippyshare.com - BBponzisong2.mp4 (http://www34.zippyshare.com/v/32908621/file.html)

[scamassassin007]

http://is200.imagesocket.com/images/2014/02/01/2671044-hjp7.jpg (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1atnbh_bbponzisong2-alan-s-bb-bus_newsl)

[littleroundman]

Those guys are easy to satisfy, aren't they ??

One wonders what they would do if a REAL employer let them build up $30,000 in their wages account without paying them.

Can you imagine the complaining if every week their wages slip showed "WAGES EARNED = $30,000" and then "WAGES PAID = $00.00"

I'll bet they wouldn't be saying "Never mind, We're here for the long term" every week.

[baylee]

Those guys are easy to satisfy, aren't they ??

One wonders what they would do if a REAL employer let them build up $30,000 in their wages account without paying them.

Can you imagine the complaining if every week their wages slip showed "WAGES EARNED = $30,000" and then "WAGES PAID = $00.00"

I'll bet they wouldn't be saying "Never mind, We're here for the long term" every week.

Sooner or later these people will be on the wrong end of the stick and will end up with serious jail time!

[scamassassin007]

Another Million Dollar Promise?

Does This Trump Mark Ghobril's BB Guarantee?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/q71/s720x720/1800195_205579722974019_1397287975_n.jpg

[HARRISON]

Banners Broker Facebook page 'likes' UseMyServices'.
Look what they posted yesterday:
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Could this be the reason that everybody has to have a TWITTER account?

[scamassassin007]

Looks Like The BB Gestapo was off duty this morning.

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/q71/1625560_1384455525153794_1537195866_n.jpg

[Brenda]

And here, courtesy of Rockin Ronnie, is a little piece on the BB Blog about the "choice" network.

With the transition to BBv3, there are some fundamental changes to the way that Banners Broker will operate. One of the most common that you have likely heard is the shift from a system that appears to be passive.

Another change in direction is the role that the Choice Network will play in the ongoing success of Banners Broker:

· More Sites – We are adding more sites to the Choice Network to make it larger and more diverse.

Better Content – In order to make these sites more appealing, the content on these sites will be improving, including well-written articles and blogs and more relevant information.

Improved Web Presence – these sites will be SEO optimized which will create more traffic, which will make these sites more appealing and therefore generate more traffic to them and other sites.

What all of these changes mean is that there will be more sites that people will visit. A big part of this will be the role that affiliates will pay in promoting these sites through Organic Traffic campaigns and Incentive tasks. The success of these sites will create more ad revenue and continue to make Banners Broker and all of its affiliates ever more successful.

Bold highlighting is mine.

Has anyone seen any of these choice sites? I would love to see them, to see that standard of the user generated content, but I'm frightened of picking up a virus or something. (Don't laugh techies.....unlike Chris Smith, I'm not an IT genius)


That'll be Chris and Ronnie, ponzi world's equivalent of good of 'good cop, bad cop', oh the irony!

Della, thanks so much for staying on top of those glorious Friday webinars and posting them here. That said, isn't amazing how little value are taken from them now, are we all webinar weary? Every week same old nothing to say and just a different way of saying it! There is no doubt though, when the long awaited ( affiliates) V3 does release it will be so cumbersome, so difficult, so uneventful, so much work, so much work for little reward, if any and for those that ask the tough questions? They'll be blamed, ridiculed for not ' working their business, misunderstanding and ungrateful.

Pesky affiliates and Chris putting in all that hard work (!)

[Brenda]

http://is200.imagesocket.com/images/2014/02/01/2671044-hjp7.jpg (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1atnbh_bbponzisong2-alan-s-bb-bus_newsl)

Christ, an awful lot of people just now understanding thanks to Mark (!) What were they thinking before this 'enlightening' from such a guru? Can't be that they were selling something to unsuspecting victims that they didn't understand.......nooooo!!!!! Phew, for a moment there I thought these folks were genuine, I almost forgot they are all part of a chronic fraud where there are no morals only greed, where if there is a sucker to be found, collectively they'll suck 'em in, honor amongst thieves!

[scamassassin007]

Christ, an awful lot of people just now understanding thanks to Mark (!) What were they thinking before this 'enlightening' from such a guru? Can't be that they were selling something to unsuspecting victims that they didn't understand.......nooooo!!!!! Phew, for a moment there I thought these folks were genuine, I almost forgot they are all part of a chronic fraud where there are no morals only greed, where if there is a sucker to be found, collectively they'll suck 'em in, honor amongst thieves!

Mark Ghobril has erased all the "REAL Comments". He only keeps the comments that feed his ego. His down-line would love to talk to him. Especially the ones who gave him cash payments. Mark makes the coin investment videos. I wonder if he claimed all of this income, coins, and cash payments on his foreclosure documents. Funny hoe a "BB MILLIONAIRE" which he claimed on his website MarkGhobril.com .. which was shut down and hsi hostgator payment has not been made. If this is all not fraud.. I don't know what is. Now he is bribing is disciples to new scams like IML and MAP. Such a GREAT LEADERS? Being a good con man make you a good leader?

[ribshaw]

What happened to Al.Sills video, do I need a note from mom to watch? Logged in to one of my gmail accounts and saw someone had left a comment on Al's video that shock of all shockers had been removed by Al.

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[scamassassin007]

A Little Irony Will Go A Long Way...

Mark Ghobril ... The Self-Proclaimed Millionaire is at it again.

From Mark Ghobril's Facebook Page:

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/q71/1622196_749626271716538_1381670959_n.jpg

Perhaps he can sell some of his rare coins to pay his victims back?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEHNZ4O0RlU

Maybe he can tell his future victims how this all ties together with Taxes, foreclosure, and still be a millionaire just like him?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/q71/1796553_206173762914615_2047504326_n.jpg

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/q71/1554382_206174276247897_478644173_n.jpg

[littleroundman]

Not just an ordinary millionaire, either, according to Mr Ghobril

A FIVE millionaire, no less

http://imageshack.com/a/img713/9618/ppp3.jpg

[scamassassin007]

Not just an ordinary millionaire, either, according to Mr Ghobril

A FIVE millionaire, no less

http://imageshack.com/a/img713/9618/ppp3.jpg

Read The Bottom:
"Will You Be Next?"

Scary!
:scared_1:

Hard To Keep Track Of All His Millions!
https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/q71/s720x720/1606950_205529589645699_1607818405_n.jpg

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/q71/1794675_205106486354676_209071859_n.jpg
Here is his Millionaire Mansion In Foreclosure!
PUBLIC INFORMATION:
http://www.slideshare.net/Scams2Ponzis/edit_my_uploads

*It would be sad to see anyone in FORECLOSURE. But not a scammer who lies to the public and puts himself out there as a "SUCCESS" only to SCAM others!

"Alan's Pinzi Bus" "Sing That Ponzi Song"


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1atnbh_bbponzisong2-alan-s-bb-bus_news

:pt:

[Mundorf]

Not just an ordinary millionaire, either, according to Mr Ghobril

A FIVE millionaire, no less

http://imageshack.com/a/img713/9618/ppp3.jpg

I don't think a 5 M $ business owner would allow a photo with tie so funny spreading...for me,dowdiness would be the first red flag

[scamassassin007]

I don't think a 5 M $ business owner would allow a photo with tie so funny spreading...for me,dowdiness would be the first red flag

Valid Point except that Ponzi Millionaires buy their suits from the Salvation Army Resale Shops.
This way the Millions can be spread to all of their disciples. After all. HE IS "DEDICATED TO HELPING OTHERS". :pt:

(!)

[scamassassin007]

This was just posted on Facebook:
http://content.screencast.com/users/jamesclark/folders/Jing/media/f4a137b3-e1cb-48e7-8986-897e7f97d677/2014-02-03_1945.png

2014-02-03_1945 - jamesclark's library (http://screencast.com/t/RABvHqcv)

[Fat City, LA]

There is more reality in 'The Lord of the Rings' than the above post.


This was just posted on Facebook:
http://content.screencast.com/users/jamesclark/folders/Jing/media/f4a137b3-e1cb-48e7-8986-897e7f97d677/2014-02-03_1945.png

2014-02-03_1945 - jamesclark's library (http://screencast.com/t/RABvHqcv)

[EagleOne]

TREASON? :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

[scamassassin007]

There is more reality in 'The Lord of the Rings' than the above post.

This was sent to someone names James.

He was asked about the IP:


Verify

http://content.screencast.com/users/jamesclark/folders/Jing/media/1fcb4eea-aa1c-411f-a877-6d829e8dad06/2014-02-03_2054.png

[scamassassin007]

I am inclined to believe this is Chris because one of the rumors that the "BB UPLINE" has been spreading is that "POOR" Chris was taken advantage of by Hooker Raj, Kul, Lieven, and the like.
The are telling the masses that Stellar Point took over $300 Million.
I do not know.. But I am, assuming that this is what the "TREASON and EMBEZZLEMENT" is all about.
I am not saying what he says is not BS. But , But... This might be what Chris would have us believe.

Either way. it is still Criminal to keep the lies going for so long.
In my opinion.. It is FRAUD!

[Fat City, LA]

This Tall Tail is as old as ponzi itself. The ones that drag out, not disappear ALWAYS say something similar.


I am inclined to believe this is Chris because one of the rumors that the "BB UPLINE" has been spreading is that "POOR" Chris was taken advantage of by Hooker Raj, Kul, Lieven, and the like.
The are telling the masses that Stellar Point took over $300 Million.
I do not know.. But I am, assuming that this is what the "TREASON and EMBEZZLEMENT" is all about.
I am not saying what he says is not BS. But , But... This might be what Chris would have us believe.

Either way. it is still Criminal to keep the lies going for so long.
In my opinion.. It is FRAUD!

[scamassassin007]

It might be a TALL TAIL... But If this is Chris or a BB employee...
They just admitted BB is DONE!

Trace: 99.232.90.69 is a Canada IP Address. See more about 99.232.90.69 now. (http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/99.232.90.69)

[ribshaw]

Putting aside the panels, ROFLMAO. While it is a little hard to discern the actual numbers this reads like more (BBB) Banners Broker Bullshit.

$40,000,000 in uncollected admin fees may make sense if BBB was actually a HEALTH CLUB, but do they not broker ads? The silliness of this NEW excuse aside, if they actually have 400,000 affiliates that is $100 a head. The kicker is they have been draining affiliate accounts with fees, where the F does the siphoned money go?

===========================================

This is the meat and potatoes of the lie, but I see no way under any accounting conventions this could occur on any significant scale.

The stuff about "panel spoofing" as far as I am concerned is like the 10,000th nail in the BB pretendy coffin. The big problem with it is it would imply either they are NOT BROKERING ADS or DON"T HAVE A BANK ACCOUNT. Affiliates choice I spooze!!

Assuming BBB "brokers" $100,000,000 of ads the purchaser must either sign a note to pay for the ads, or deposit cash in the BBB account. There is NO other option that comes to mind. Assuming the cost to BBB for the ads they "brokered" and all "admin" expenses which would include affiliate commissions was $50,000,000. Somehow, somewhere BBB is left with $50,000,000 profit. (But the number doesn't matter)

Chris Smith is implying that affiliate's spoofing panels was so far out of line that it affected the companies ability to pay. In the above example, for the company to go cash flow negative, there would have to have been $50,000,000 in spoofing. Impossible!!! Making a second assumption of a 10% commission affiliate (again because of accounting conventions the number does not matter) commissions are based on FINAL SALES, not PANELS. Chris just admitted as much that it is the other way around OR he is lying. Not only would BBB very quickly not be able to balance its books, if such a fraud was perpetrated on any scale it would almost immediately show up in cash flow.

To believe Chris Smith's latest yarn, would imply Chris never looked at final sales of product, something I find highly unlikely. And that "panels" were somehow linked in the set of accounts not only to COMMISSIONS OWED but to ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE. 100% impossible tale except in Ponziland, unless panels are pure fiction.

===========================================

Saying Chris Smith owned a car lot with 100 cars on the lot. His latest tale would have us believe that a salesmen could come in and say I sold 200 cars this month.

Maybe someone else has a sense of how all this could be spoofed, but this has to be the biggest porky Chris has told in ages.

[Fat City, LA]

100% Agree. For those of us who didnt fall off the turnip truck. ....

The latest "Chris"statement falls under = THE WIND BLOWS and THE S---t FLOWS ! :shocked:


Putting aside the panels, ROFLMAO. While it is a little hard to discern the actual numbers this reads like more (BBB) Banners Broker Bullshit.

$40,000,000 in uncollected admin fees may make sense if BBB was actually a HEALTH CLUB, but do they not broker ads? The silliness of this NEW excuse aside, if they actually have 400,000 affiliates that is $100 a head. The kicker is they have been draining affiliate accounts with fees, where the F does the siphoned money go?

The rest of the stuff about "panel spoofing" as far as I am concerned is like the 10,000 nail in the BB pretendy coffin. The big problem with it is it would imply either they are NOT BROKERING ADS or DON"T HAVE A BANK ACCOUNT. Affiliates choice I spooze!!

Assuming BBB "brokers" $100,000,000 of ads the purchaser must either sign a note to pay for the ads, or deposit cash in the BBB account. There is NO other option that comes to mind. Assuming the cost to BBB for the ads they "brokered" and all "admin" expenses which would include affiliate commissions was $50,000,000. Somehow, somewhere BBB is left with $50,000,000 profit. (But the number doesn't matter)

Chris Smith is implying that affiliate's spoofing panels was so far out of line that it affected the companies ability to pay. In the above example, for the company to go cash flow negative, there would have to have been $50,000,000 in spoofing. Impossible!!! Making a second assumption of a 10% commission affiliate (again because of account conventions the number does not matter) commissions are based on FINAL SALES, not PANELS. Not only would BBB very quickly not be able to balance its books, if such a fraud was perpetrated on any scale it would almost immediately show up in cash flow.

To believe Chris Smith's latest yarn, would imply Chris never looked at revenue and expenses. And that "panels" were somehow linked in the set of accounts not only to COMMISSIONS OWED but to ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE. 100% impossible tale except in Ponziland, unless panels are pure fiction.

For a similar type of fraud, it would play out almost exactly like this: KELOLAND.com | Insurance Agent Sentenced On Grand Theft (http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/insurance-agent-sentenced-on-grand-theft/?id=89083)

[NikSam]

What Chris called embezzlement , is that he as a fall guy got too deep into his role and assumed he is really the boss and runs the things,
Raj just paid Chris's salary for being the fall guy and took the rest of his loot - here is treason and embezzlement for ya :)

[Beacon]

100% Agree. For those of us who didnt fall off the turnip truck. ....

The latest "Chris"statement falls under = THE WIND BLOWS and THE S---t FLOWS ! :shocked:

There is one true statement in the "Chris" missive which points to the Ponzi nature... right at the start where he points out that the money in the scheme isn't from advertising,investments or anything other than something which "survives on membership dues"

[scamassassin007]

There is one true statement in the "Chris" missive which points to the Ponzi nature... right at the start where he points out that the money in the scheme isn't from advertising,investments or anything other than something which "survives on membership dues"

Beacon, I agree with you to a point. The "Membership" is important to have dues. If nothing else but for compliance. You can not have a one time investment model. However, members were already paying dues, the premium membership as high as $500 per month. The NEW scam is about FRESH money in to the system. My beef was never with the dues, it was that members can not even use the "BB MONEY" that was owed to them. We all know the product was BS long ago.

The new fee of $10 of "FRESH MONEY IN" is clearly writing on the wall that they can not pay... Something I think most of us suspected for sometime. What I don't understand is how the SCAMMER leaders like Mark Ghobril, Simon Stepsis, and others can continue the LIE. And even most recently make outrageous claims and even guarantees.

The true test will be.. Will the "SHEEP" still believe that BB will make them all rich?
When wil these people finally see the light?

[littleroundman]

Maybe someone else has a sense of how all this could be spoofed,

It's easy,

take a computer game,

any game.

What part of it is "real" ??

For sure there are "points" and "winners and losers" and "strategies" and "graphics" and plenty of "looks like" it may be real

But, just like Banners Broker, none of it is.

A member pays $1000 for "panels" which, in reality are only computer graphics.

3 other members pay $100 for their computer generated "panels"

Banners Broker gives $200 to the "Simon Stepsys" who recruited that member, keeps $500 for itself and then gives the $100 guys $1 a day for a hundred days, telling them it is 1% per day "interest"

Rinse,

repeat.

The $100 guys tell all their friends they can prove they are making 1% a day interest, and more $1000 and $100 people join.

rinse,

repeat.

One day the number of people joining drops, until it's no longer possible to take the recruiting money and the company profits out in large amounts.

The come the lies, delays, plan changes, more lies, payment processor problems.

The recruiter still gets the $200, the company still gets the $500. The members get .5% per day

More lies, delays, plan changes, even more lies, payment processor problems.

The recruiter still gets $200, the company still gets $500. The members get nothing.

Now sufficient members get p****d off, so they stop their fees.

The returns are unattractive, so no new members.

The recruiters and company start consuming any reserve cash

More lies, delays, plan changes, even more lies, payment processor problems.

More lies, delays, plan changes, even more lies, payment processor problems.

More lies, delays, plan changes, even more lies, payment processor problems.

More lies, delays, plan changes, even more lies, payment processor problems.

More lies, delays, plan changes, even more lies, payment processor problems.

The money is all gone.

The HYIP ponzi fraud simply disappears back into the electrons it always was

There you have Banners Broker, circa January 2014

[Whip]

What Chris called embezzlement , is that he as a fall guy got too deep into his role and assumed he is really the boss and runs the things,
Raj just paid Chris's salary for being the fall guy and took the rest of his loot - here is treason and embezzlement for ya :)

he's no fall guy. he's in on it

[NikSam]

he's no fall guy. he's in on it

The part of being a Fall guy is being on it and serve in jail if needed. He is not a mastermind as everyone was led to belive,
but not less guilty, just gets less of the loot for riskinh his ass the most.
Raj and Kul runs things.

[Fat City, LA]

Is BB like Zeekler? No exit plan? (ie disappear)

Just wait around and work other Ponzis till jail time?

Or

Like Profitable Sunrise. Gone overnight. Chances are they got away with it.

I see Univest taking this route.

[HARRISON]

I think this email has been planned and planted.
He has carefully listed all his 'excuses' why BB is cash poor and is blaming the affiliates for its demise. $40,000,000! Seriously!
He has a great excuse to depart now doesn't he?

[littleroundman]

Is BB like Zeekler? No exit plan? (ie disappear)

Just wait around and work other Ponzis till jail time?

Or

Like Profitable Sunrise. Gone overnight. Chances are they got away with it.

I see Univest taking this route.

* Unlike Zeek Rewards, Banners Broker is supposedly based in Canada and/or Belize. Given the fact Canadian authorities are notoriously slow and/or reluctant to act against internet fraud, I consider it unlikely it will go the way of Zeek and be prosecuted.

* Historically, what's happening IS an exit plan. No one can know for sure whether or not BB is being investigated, but, going out with a "whimper" instead of a "bang" is par for the course as far as HYIP ponzi frauds are concerned.
Let it die a natural death, wait 12 or 18 months then launch another one, possibly with a slightly different public face, but essentially the same.

Look the last "next big thing, prior to Zeek," Club Asteria and you'll find it, too went out with a whimper. It's website is still exactly as it was.
The usual suspect HYIP ponzi players and forums didn't even take a breath before they were on to the next one.
As with Banners Broker, it's only the newbies who were left wondering what the hell happened and what to do about it.

* In the meantime, most of the insiders already have a new scam or scams piggybacking on Banners Broker as we speak.

* Sadly, chances are they HAVE "got away with it" Just as several (hundred) thousand before them also "got away with it"

[NikSam]

Yeap. Look at BigBooster / Justbeenpaid / Profitclicking / AdClick Express - all re-carnations of the same scam ran by "Frederick Mann"'s group of scammers in Utah, so there is 3rd way, when authorities are covering up the scam or fail to act - reboot

[Beacon]

Beacon, I agree with you to a point. The "Membership" is important to have dues. If nothing else but for compliance. You can not have a one time investment model. However, members were already paying dues, the premium membership as high as $500 per month. The NEW scam is about FRESH money in to the system. My beef was never with the dues, it was that members can not even use the "BB MONEY" that was owed to them. We all know the product was BS long ago.

The new fee of $10 of "FRESH MONEY IN" is clearly writing on the wall that they can not pay... Something I think most of us suspected for sometime. What I don't understand is how the SCAMMER leaders like Mark Ghobril, Simon Stepsis, and others can continue the LIE. And even most recently make outrageous claims and even guarantees.

The true test will be.. Will the "SHEEP" still believe that BB will make them all rich?
When wil these people finally see the light?

I dont really disagree with you but I will restate my earlier point

The reason most people lose money is because they don't understand what a ponzi scheme is.
Once money, whether fresh money or otherwise, is coming in, it is being redistributed and the scheme continues.
Chris - if it was him- is clearly stating that the scheme involves paying people based on money coming in from later joiners ( it "survives on membership dues") =ponzi.

[scamassassin007]

RevStar Global the New BB?

I think we all agree that Chris Smith needs to be held accountable. However, he could use some company in JAIL. Hopefully... Someday there will accountability on where all the money went. Chris should come clean and not blame the BB Members, but explain the whole "TREASON AND EMBEZZLEMENT" thing. Most of the BB Members played by the rules, even when the rules seemed to change almost daily. Ghobril and Stepsis made a lot of money in the food chain as did other leaders selling panels for cash. This is on top of their BB payments.

I have read BB members comment that they were targeted By David Hooker and others from an email list that they only used for BB. Especially the "BB Investors who put in a larger investment". Raj and Hooker obviously took advantage of the BB data base and God knows who else and what information they have. These guys are not exactly Saints!

This week, BEHIND-MLM is addressing RevStar Global. I strongly advise you all to pass this information along to others so people can start connecting the dots.

How did David Hooker Finance This?

RevStar Global Review: Banners Broker rebooted? | BehindMLM (http://behindmlm.com/companies/revstar-global-review-banners-broker-rebooted/#more-14079)

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/q71/1625734_206517259546932_830880940_n.jpg (http://behindmlm.com/companies/revstar-global-review-banners-broker-rebooted/#more-14079)

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/q71/s720x720/1010623_206517356213589_971366362_n.jpg (http://behindmlm.com/companies/revstar-global-review-banners-broker-rebooted/#more-14079)

http://behindmlm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/facebook-stellar-point-deni.gif (http://behindmlm.com/companies/revstar-global-review-banners-broker-rebooted/#more-14079)
*** BS COUGH AT THIS TIME *** :scared_1:

I hope these key players can all sleep at night!

Read More: ---> RevStar Global Review: Banners Broker rebooted? | BehindMLM (http://behindmlm.com/companies/revstar-global-review-banners-broker-rebooted/#more-14079)

[Ken Roklin]

This was just posted on Facebook:
http://content.screencast.com/users/jamesclark/folders/Jing/media/f4a137b3-e1cb-48e7-8986-897e7f97d677/2014-02-03_1945.png

2014-02-03_1945 - jamesclark's library (http://screencast.com/t/RABvHqcv)

To Chris:
An intelligent and business savvy CEO would not have allowed the problems you had and continue to have happen. A real CEO would have run the company to be compliant with all laws in each country where they want to set up to begin with, done his due diligence when it comes to hiring staff, 3rd parties and representatives world-wide to promote the company and its products.

You should have known from day 1 that a Ponzi's life is short and not long term. When you stop paying affiliates that is when they move onto another scam. The $40 million you claim is owed for admin fees is far less than what you stole from the affiliates and far less than what you owe them. So stop your #$%^ and either pay your debts or if you can't do that declare bankruptcy instead of trying to con people into your next scam and trying to lay the blame on your failure onto others.

By the way, you don't have a company infrastructure in Canada, you have no employees in Canada, you have no official offices in Canada. You pay no taxes in Canada. You don't file any corporate tax returns in Canada. What you have is some independent contractors working from their homes or your condo and a handful of employees in Belize. You are a 1 man outfit and all the things you say cost a lot of money do not apply to you.

Have a lousy day!

[scamassassin007]

I think this email has been planned and planted.
He has carefully listed all his 'excuses' why BB is cash poor and is blaming the affiliates for its demise. $40,000,000! Seriously!
He has a great excuse to depart now doesn't he?

I Agree. I think James Clark (The Person who complained to Chris in the email mentioned above) was used. However... Some of this is not new. Many have stated that the uplines have mentioned these things. Even Mark Ghobril brought some of this up, blaming the BB Members on one of his many RANTS. I think Chris Smith wanted this leaked. Either way, this conforms what we all have been saying. BB is done!

[Ken Roklin]

It might be a TALL TAIL... But If this is Chris or a BB employee...
They just admitted BB is DONE!

Trace: 99.232.90.69 is a Canada IP Address. See more about 99.232.90.69 now. (http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/99.232.90.69)

That is the IP address at his home/condo in Toronto out of which he works.

[littleroundman]

That is the IP address at his home/condo in Toronto out of which he works.

Actually, it's a dynamically allocated IP, part of the IP block 99.232.90.0 - 99.232.91.255 belonging to the largest cable provider in Canada:

Rogers Cable Inc. BLOOR
1 Mount Pleasant Road
Toronto
ON
M4Y-2Y5
Canada

Without an accurate time stamp, it would be impossible to identify the actual user, it could be anyone using the Rogers network

[scamassassin007]

Actually, it's a dynamically allocated IP, part of the IP block 99.232.90.0 - 99.232.91.255 belonging to the largest cable provider in Canada:

Rogers Cable Inc. BLOOR
1 Mount Pleasant Road
Toronto
ON
M4Y-2Y5
Canada

Without an accurate time stamp, it would be impossible to identify the actual user, it could be anyone using the Rogers network

Yes... But I saw the screen share to verify this.
James Clark sent the original email to Chris Smith.
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/q71/s720x720/1545651_590856954323870_930149156_n.jpg

That was Chris Smith's email address. Could it have been one of Chris Smith's Minions?
Yes. Perhaps Ron Anderson. Who knows.

All of this happened when James Clark came forward on the BB Ponzi Scam FB Page.
He was questioned there. Anyone here can question him as well.

I do believe he got the email. I also believe that the email was planted by Chris to be released.
I think this is just an excuse to Exit in the near future as Tara Harrison mentioned.
No matter how we slice this and dice this... The email confirms the demise of BB.

@ Beacon... I am sure Beacon can put his forensic talents to work. Please reach out to James on FB if you have any doubts.

[Ken Roklin]

* Unlike Zeek Rewards, Banners Broker is supposedly based in Canada and/or Belize. Given the fact Canadian authorities are notoriously slow and/or reluctant to act against internet fraud, I consider it unlikely it will go the way of Zeek and be prosecuted.


Banners Broker International is not based in Canada and never was. It was based out of Isle of Man and is now based in Belize. The reason for picking those 2 places was to avoid compliance problems in countries such as Canada or the US. Raj was involved in a Ponzi before and knew that he had to avoid the authorities in Canada with BBI and that is why it was incorporated offshore. Canada has no more jurisdiction in Belize than any other country like the US or UK have. The comment about Canadian authorities being slow or reluctant to act against internet fraud is based on an article many years ago and simply is not true today.

[scamassassin007]

@ Ken...

I have been told by Canadians that their investigative body does not have the resources of the United States. Also, Many have only spoken of the OSC which is primarily concerned with Investments And Securities. The Canadian Fraud unit has been looking at this I was told. They also need more complaints from the other provinces, and not just Ontario. Money has exchanged hands out of Canada and transactions were made from Canada. Chris Smith still has a condo there so I was told. Canada could be the key to getting justice.

In saying that, You are partially correct.
they have had a Corporation Registry in the Isle Of Man with Different Names Changes For Some Time Now And Currently Are Registered There.

BB Website Today:
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/q71/s720x720/1623599_206538169544841_951562081_n.jpg

From what I can tell. Belize is only the current office location.
I think BB originally had their corporate structure in Belize a t the beginning.
Maybe one of the old timers in BB could clarify this.

I am sure many of us remember the Swiss Bank Account that used to be in the back office used to wire money as with the many other changes.
Yes, this is all planned to hide jurisdiction offshore.

When it comes to currency and taxes. The United Stated and other countries can cross borders.
Time will tell. But it may take just that.. Time.

I think only a Forensic Accounting Team could piece all of this together.
BB has never been transparent.

[littleroundman]

The comment about Canadian authorities being slow or reluctant to act against internet fraud is based on an article many years ago and simply is not true today.

Gee, and here was I thinking it was a comment based on my own experiences and observations over many years.

Chris Smith is in Canada.

The fact Banners Broker / Stellar Point and or Mickey Mouse are not registered in Canada is incidental to that fact.

It could even be said that if the Canadian authorities did act today, they will have missed the boat.

Unlike Zeek Rewards, which had at least SOME money and assets when it was shut down, Banners Broker is already a dead ponzi

[scamassassin007]

Gee, and here was I thinking it was a comment based on my own experiences and observations over many years.

Chris Smith is in Canada.

The fact Banners Broker / Stellar Point and or Mickey Mouse are not registered in Canada is incidental to that fact.

It could even be said that if the Canadian authorities did act today, they will have missed the boat.

Unlike Zeek Rewards, which had at least SOME money and assets when it was shut down, Banners Broker is already a dead ponzi

Very Good Point LittleRoundMan ....
Follow The Money as they say...
Most Countries are after money Laundering And Taxes. Ask Al Capone.

I think our only hope is that they go after the Big Leaders for Tax Evasion.

Who Knows...

[NikSam]

Banners Broker International is not based in Canada and never was. It was based out of Isle of Man and is now based in Belize. The reason for picking those 2 places was to avoid compliance problems in countries such as Canada or the US. Raj was involved in a Ponzi before and knew that he had to avoid the authorities in Canada with BBI and that is why it was incorporated offshore. Canada has no more jurisdiction in Belize than any other country like the US or UK have. The comment about Canadian authorities being slow or reluctant to act against internet fraud is based on an article many years ago and simply is not true today.

Ken, again you with your nonsense. Canadian authorities are to blame because they do nothing against criminals (each located and operating out of Canada). It means absolutely nothing on greater level of things if those criminals posses any corp registrations anythere else (they can have company in hell for all we know). If you seriously believe what scammers told you and that there is some company in Belize or Isle of man with employess, you need a reality check.
If each company registered in Belize had at least one employee it will be heaviest populated place on earth :)

Again you have no legal agreement to any shitty company which allegedly registered at some shithole as Belize. and no any civilized authority would recognize such company's jurisdiction. You have only people who told you lies and told you where to send monies.


PS: All those company registrations can only be used as some additional evidence linking individuals to this scam. Those company records (perhaps which have a mailbox size of phonebook office) on banana islands cannot be charged at all.
Neither Chris or Raj has any corporate level protection of the company or can declare bankruptcy or be not personally legaly responsible with their online registered companies in offshores.

[NikSam]

What all those criminals incorporating/hiding in offshores seems do not know a one common trick.
That in those offshores (also being most corrupted places in the world) all secrecy disappears when you open your wallet :)

Ok, you pay $100 to open a company in Isle of Man, i will pay $200 to your incorporation service to tell me who the hell you are, they will even give me scan of your passport and credit card you paid with for free :)

[scamassassin007]

What all those criminals incorporating/hiding in offshores seems do not know a one common trick.
That in those offshores (also being most corrupted places in the world) all secrecy disappears when you open your wallet :)

Ok, you pay $100 to open a company in Isle of Man, i will pay $200 to your incorporation service to tell me who the hell you are, they will even give me scan of your passport and credit card you paid for free :)

Agreed...
This is all out of the Ponzi 101 Playbook.

[littleroundman]

Address seem familiar ???

http://imageshack.com/a/img198/2267/6j5c.jpg

Same dog, different leg action.

[scamassassin007]

Address seem familiar ???

http://imageshack.com/a/img198/2267/6j5c.jpg

Same dog, different leg action.

S...O....B......

The BB Members have all been played!

[littleroundman]

S...O....B......

The BB Members have all been played!

And this surprises you somehow ??

[NikSam]

well, whadayaknow
http://www.realscam.com/attachments/f9/6946d1391531710-rev-star-global-revstarglobal-com-revstar_corp.jpg
URL: https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/scr/cc/CorporationsCanada/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=8640831

[AshKen1]

See that purported email with the statement of "$40,000,000 uncollected admin fees"

That is a load of rubbish.

They take admin fees from the e-wallet - it's not collected from anywhere else. The e-wallet gets the "cash" from the panels (ha!) that qualify.

We know there are no ads, so no money is generated... so it's $40M of nothing....

The affiliates don't owe anything, because they've had nothing in the first place. (I am talking about those who are NOT high up the food chain)

Complete and utter rubbish...

[scamassassin007]

The Guardian Uno Made a very good point over at MMG:


[QUOTE]I've seen a few comments in various places about BBI, Chris Smith and Belize.

BBI is registered in IOM, it has directors which are provided by the formation company there, all directors are located within IOM. BBI cannot have directors in Belize and does not. As the directors and company are in IOM, they cannot have the Belize location tied to it under IOM regulations. They can have a parent company but not BBI itself, Chris is of course trying to use BBI itself in Belize which is neither legal and does not hold water.

Monetize Group Incorporated which is one of the companies behind Banners Broker International, is registered in Belize and has a director there. I think this is how they have an office but are using it for BBI rather than MGI which should be it's purpose. Chris Smith is the sole director of MGI.

Chris is using the Belize address on legal documents for BBI business, illegally. BBI did not move to Belize, they have always been in IOM and are still there. So Iain Sherriff and Co making excuses why they moved to Belize is quite amusing. As it is a prime example of of how he and others will run with information given by Chris, without doing his own research and using correct information and facts.

This is just a snippet, more on this topic later.

[Beacon]

well, whadayaknow
http://www.realscam.com/attachments/f9/6946d1391531710-rev-star-global-revstarglobal-com-revstar_corp.jpg
URL: https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/scr/cc/CorporationsCanada/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=8640831

LOL!
Our Team > Company > RevStar Global (http://www.revstarglobal.com/company/team)

He said he didnt work for them anymore but her is David scammer
Our Team > Company > RevStar Global (http://www.revstarglobal.com/company/team/david)

Doesn't mention BB

Does tell you how it works:
How You Earn > Business > RevStar Global (http://www.revstarglobal.com/business/earn)

Basically later joining "Affiliates" pay off the people who got in earlier. Hmmm. I think I heard about that sort of thing before somewhere?

[Beacon]

LOL!
Our Team > Company > RevStar Global (http://www.revstarglobal.com/company/team)

He said he didnt work for them anymore but her is David scammer
Our Team > Company > RevStar Global (http://www.revstarglobal.com/company/team/david)

Doesn't mention BB

Does tell you how it works:
How You Earn > Business > RevStar Global (http://www.revstarglobal.com/business/earn)

Basically later joining "Affiliates" pay off the people who got in earlier. Hmmm. I think I heard about that sort of thing before somewhere?

Revstarglobal.com is 7 months old and quite popular in Canada. The site doesn't have big presence on the social networks. With around 10 tweets, it is most successful on twitter, while doing equally well on other social networking sites, for example it has 8 facebook likes, and 0 google plus ones The website was registered by and has its servers in Netherlands .
Revstarglobal.com Analysis - DomainTuno (http://www.domaintuno.com/d/revstarglobal.com)
Registrant Name: Paul Redmayne
Registrant Organization: RevStar Global
Registrant Street: 31 Sunvale Place
Registrant Street: 22
Registrant City: Stoney Creek
Registrant State/Province: Ontario
Registrant Postal Code: L8E 4Z6
Registrant Country: Canada
Tech Phone: (905) 330-0808
Tech Fax:
Tech Email: predmayne2@cogeco.ca
Name Server: NS1.STELLARPOINTINC.COM
Name Server: NS2.STELLARPOINTINC.COM

He uis even running out of the SP nameserver ! LOL

[scamassassin007]

Revstarglobal.com is 7 months old and quite popular in Canada. The site doesn't have big presence on the social networks. With around 10 tweets, it is most successful on twitter, while doing equally well on other social networking sites, for example it has 8 facebook likes, and 0 google plus ones The website was registered by and has its servers in Netherlands .
Revstarglobal.com Analysis - DomainTuno (http://www.domaintuno.com/d/revstarglobal.com)
Registrant Name: Paul Redmayne
Registrant Organization: RevStar Global
Registrant Street: 31 Sunvale Place
Registrant Street: 22
Registrant City: Stoney Creek
Registrant State/Province: Ontario
Registrant Postal Code: L8E 4Z6
Registrant Country: Canada
Tech Phone: (905) 330-0808
Tech Fax:
Tech Email: predmayne2@cogeco.ca
Name Server: NS1.STELLARPOINTINC.COM
Name Server: NS2.STELLARPOINTINC.COM

He uis even running out of the SP nameserver ! LOL

How could anyone join this? I can't believe they continue to get away with this!
It is almost as if the Scam (BB) gave birth to evil illegitimate children that keep spawning new scams.
This should be a HORROR movie!

[HARRISON]

Whether Banners Broker is registered in Belize, Isle of Man, Carlow Court or the moon, its makes no difference except on paper.
The fact is CHRIS lives here and Banners Broker is run from here:
167, Church Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4Y 2C8
Condos 1901,1902, 1905,1906

Everything else is a distraction....

[ribshaw]

Ass Chaps Alan is up with a new video. I can't believe he can do these with a straight face, people have not been paid money they were OWED in over a year, and it is their fault.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQGtDBxtQsM

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[littleroundman]

Not only in denial but downright defiantly criminal and deserving of what will turn out to be his lifelong "reputation"

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[littleroundman]

Busy little joint that 5 Carlow Court Whitby, ON L1N 9T7 (http://www.bizapedia.com/addresses/5-CARLOW-COURT-WHITBY-ON-L1N-9T7.html), ain't it ??

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[NikSam]

As always with Raj, "it is not me, it is my client"

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URL: JetSetter Dating > Clients > RevStar Global (http://www.revstarglobal.com/clients/dating)



The dating site (http://www.jetsetterdating.com/) itself is rebranded White Lable Dating (http://www.whitelabeldating.com/) deal, they just let them use their service under "put your name here" name.



PS: Hmm, so Raj StealAPoint $1 hosting is now http://www.revstarhosting.com/ :) He thinks SP name is dirty now, well Raj just watch it , RevStar will be as dirty as you soon. And what is your obsessions with Points / Stars ?


PPS: Intresting, http://www.revstarglobal.com/clients/jiggy , So Penny auctions now ?, Zeek fame just does not let scammers sleep at night

[Beacon]

Busy little joint that 5 Carlow Court Whitby, ON L1N 9T7 (http://www.bizapedia.com/addresses/5-CARLOW-COURT-WHITBY-ON-L1N-9T7.html), ain't it ??

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It would seem Dixit got in cahoots with Hooker last September when they were aware of the imminent collapse of BB. By "collapse" i mean that to me BB is effectively dead since they can't get new victims. The "BB mobile" was an attempt to set up another ponzi under the same name and maybe bilk the remaining faithful for more money but that is a dry well compared to the thousands and ten thousands players they were getting in 2012 and early 2013.
Anyway, a number of companies were set up which would satisfy their next scam but Dixit maybe kept a few back for himeslf so he could maybe con Hooker and divert cash into the companies only Raj controlled. On the other hand I don't think very much money actually goes into these companies which don't employ people; don't have any assets and don't file company returns and eventually become struck off.

This is where the forensic accounting comes in. It may be the Glenroy Browne companies actually have some assets ( e.g. gym equipment; a building or a long term lease on one )and are in fact a normal real business actually providing real products and services (all be it a poor one doing it inefficiently for a high cost to the customer) in an attempt to launder the ill gotten gains of the ponzis. It maybe one of the Dixit companies actually is the one holding the cash. It may be one of these companies actually holds the deeds of the Carlow Court Building but I think when you look you will see that none of them actually employ anyone or have any accounts and the building is actually in Dixit's name ( or his mothers) . The sad thing is if they used their efforts to actually do some ordinary business they probably would make money but they would have to provide a product or a service for that and Dixit it seems doesn't want to actually work and prefers to talk about the "virtual" work as if he is doing actual work when all he is doing is taking money from people keeping most of it for himself and giving a tiny amount ( somewhere between 1 and 5 %) to others and pretending this is actually working.

[Beacon]

Given the Feb first Global Launch maybe the people over at
https://www.facebook.com/revstarglobal?
Who are liking the FB page
should be told it is a scam?

[Beacon]

The RSG Webinar
Rev Star Global Introduction January 6th 2014 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/CO33BXadH6c)
Kieran Fitzgerald
This weeks webinar schedule.
Intro to Revstarglobal Movement
Tuesday 7th, wednesday 8th and Thursday 9th.
1 pm EST, 6PM UK, 8PM CY, 11PM IST

https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/499270993512072193

I note a number of pimps not mentioned here before
e.g. carol Reed
https://www.facebook.com/carol.reed.3760?

Who you can see was pushing BB in the US last year Oct 15/July 21/May 12
as well as Talkfusion
So I don't know whether telling her about it would do anything.

I must laugh she has a post asking people to join her cause to force facebook to block child porn
https://www.causes.com/causes/580526-force-facebook-to-block-all-child-pornography?

Nov 11 2012


Anyone who abuses children should be tortured and killed, that's all they are good for. They are the scum of the earth.


Sadly, six months before that she was PIMPING BB to Kenyans. I wonder what she thinks of that now that the kids in Kenya have lost out because she bilked their parents out of money. Isn't that child abuse?

Ironically like fraud child porn is illegal in her jurisdiction (!)
Strange how she gets all moral on on thing and "pimps" the other isn't it?

I would posit it is kinda obvious who owns/manages the RSG FB page and judging by the continual likes by the same four or five people, who is on her "team".

LOL the post on her own facebook page nov 21 2013
https://www.facebook.com/carol.reed.3760?
emphasis added by me



THIS is worth taking a serious look at BEFORE year-end:

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She is an Early BB Pimp since June 16 2012 when she was pushing it in Kenya

[Beacon]

Here is an interesting post
Banners Broker By Al Baker! Debunking The Scam | MikeandChrisSmith.com (http://mikeandchrissmith.com/banners-broker-al-baker-debunking-scam/)

Which if they delete it can be found here:
Banners Broker By Al Baker! Debunking The Scam | MikeandChrisSmith.com (http://web.archive.org/web/20130509050301/http://mikeandchrissmith.com/banners-broker-al-baker-debunking-scam/)

It is attributed to Al Baker

as is
http://razaaziz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Banners-Broker-Affiliate-Training-Manual-UNITED.pdf
A training manual
Written in August 2012 and no doubt given to the Independent consultants who visited the Canadian HQ a few months later

In it -About Banners Broker–The Company Page 72


They have a small staff of
fewer than20 people, who comprise the
programmers, support and administrative staff of the company
They are small and efficient, which contributes to their ability to create
such a strong vehicle for Banners Broker affiliates.
As of July 2012, they had over 100,000 members and had paid out over
$200 Million in commissions. They are active in 108 countries and
continue to expand.



Note above in the "debunking the scam" he refers to


Even almighty Google started in a garage.


Which isnt really true. When they really began as a company they had offices.

But he continues


(Banners Broker just bought a new building and staffed it with 100 new personnel


No I accept BB bought 5 Carlow Court as a corporate HQ but if they really started then as a business in August 2012 weith 20 people aand by Feb 2013 had over a hundred how is it that we have never heard of more than two of these people in Carlow Court i.e Terry Stern and possibly David Hooker ( who we were told didn't work for Banners Broker)? Where are the other 99 people? Did they disappear into the non existant "blind network"?

Even when the IC's went there they only saw about four of five staff.







Ponzi scheme |ˈpänzē| noun a form of fraud in which belief in the success of a nonexistent enterprise is fostered by the payment of quick returns to the first investors from money invested by later investors.
ORIGIN named after Charles Ponzi (died 1949), who carried out such a fraud (1919–20).


and later says


A Banners Broker affiliate buys a product – ad inventory – blank advertising space on a website. He also buys traffic from a traffic broker and he also buys advertising impressions for his own use in advertising on the same blind network.

But no evidence is ever offered to show that any actual advertising exists or any website carrying it i.e. no evidence to show it is nothing more than "a nonexistent enterprise ...fostered by the payment of later investors"
I mean what does
I know that of the almost 3,000 of my downline, very few make money,

other than the few that do make money are being paid by those who join later?

[littleroundman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img560/633/40hc.jpg

Banners Broker By Al Baker! Debunking The Scam
Posted on 23/02/2013 (http://mikeandchrissmith.com/banners-broker-al-baker-debunking-scam/)

Banners Broker
Debunking The Scam

Banners Broker – Myth or Magic?

I had to write this.

I see so much commotion about Banners Broker that’s just uninformed noise, I had to speak up.

The so called “insiders,” who are not much more than bloggers with an opinion trying to rank for a keyword, need some actual facts.

I’ve been a full time professional affiliate of the company for a year now.

I’ve attended their major events (Click here for event review), met and interacted with the CEO, Chris Smith, the COO Raj and Lorenzo, their #3 man, hung out with their families – wives, kids the whole shot, so I feel I have some grounds to speak. I know there are some warts, but let’s be real here.

Even almighty Google started in a garage.(Banners Broker just bought a new building and staffed it with 100 new personnel

If any of these critics could speak with real knowledge of how it works we could do something constructive, but they just show that they really don’t understand the business model. It’s new and I am going to cover it thoroughly, so there are a few pages to read. Let’s get started!

So, what is Banners Broker?

Banners Broker is just what it says – a broker in the banner advertising field. A unique broker – unique in that no one else does what they do.

What’s a broker? The dictionary says: “a broker is a person who buys and sells goods or assets for others.”

Banners Broker “brokers” in a slightly different way than has been done before on line… here’s an overview:

There is a network of websites and advertising companies that comprise what is called the “Blind Network”(Click here for definition) (an Internet ad industry term).

Note, that I didn’t say – Banners Broker operates within a Blind Network.

They operate within T-H-E Blind Network.

The same Blind Network that thousands of advertisers and publishers already operate within.

The same Blind Network that successfully generates BILLIONS of Dollars of revenue every year.

This isn’t something invented by someone to trick you – it’s how the on-line advertising industry works – (so how can these so called “insiders” be inside anything but their own rear ends?)

…Sorry…

A comparative is magazine advertising.

If you want to put your ad on the front inside cover of Time Magazine, you’re gonna pay top dollar.

A front-page ad on the New York Times is a bit expensive and there’s just so many of those spaces available. In the television ad world it’s prime time or the Super Bowl.

Advertise there? Forget it.

It’s not cheap. Not the place for the small guy to get into the online ad world.

The Internet equivalent is having your banner ad on the top of Inc.com or Forbes.com or some other top tier site.

But what about the small business that wants to advertise online?

If you can’t afford Time Magazine, front cover inside and just want to advertise in the magazine, you would pay a lot less, but they’d put you where they felt it fit best.

You would not have control over where you were put in the publication.

 Imagine this situation on the Internet.

There are some 500 million websites on line, give or take a couple… There are a percentage that a) get enough traffic and b) want to make money hosting advertising on their site. They have space that they want to rent out.

This is part of the reason they’re on line in the first place – to make revenue from their website – any smart website owner knows that advertising is a potentially lucrative part of his income streams.

They go to a broker and if their site qualifies, they can then be a publisher.

All of this available advertising space is bid on the auction block and depending on the amount of visitors to a website, it will command a certain price – lower prices for lesser traffic sites – higher prices for higher traffic sites.

Google is an example…

Google has a program called AdSense that utilizes Google’s network and many, many website owners go to Google and apply to run AdSense advertisements on their websites to earn revenue.

Well, outside of Google, there is a network that is controlled by about 10 major brokers.

They bid website advertising space, they connect the ad space with the advertiser and they make that space make money. And there is lots of money in Internet advertising.

Some $37 or $38 Billion in 2011.

The Blind Network that Banners Broker uses is second tier – not front inside cover of Time Magazine or atop Forbes.com. Ads are placed wherever it’ll work best on smaller websites in the second tier network.

Banner ads are shifting entities that move from site to site, from eye to eye.

If you’ve ever noticed, somehow the Internet tracks your search behavior. If you’ve been searching for cameras and then go to website X that has banner ads, more than likely you will followed around by banners about cameras, camera accessories and the like.

But if your friend went to that same site, he’d get a different banner ad.

Banners are targeted to your demographics and search history. Different ads appear in the same space according to who is logged on from what computer.

So, if you wanted to flip through the entire network of sites, you could find the ad that merchant X placed with ad company Y somewhere amongst those trillion pages…

Banners Broker Product

So, How does Banners Broker fit in?

In 2010, owner and CEO, Chris Smith – an IT guy – had the idea to tap into this market in a unique way.

He approached those 10 blind network brokers with a proposition – to create a broker relationship that was unique, innovative… if the idea worked it could revolutionize the Internet ad world…

And?

They all said….“No.”

Except one. One of the medium sized brokers saw the potential and said, let’s try it. This was a concept in it’s infancy and guess what? It’s working.

No one on the outside has a clue, but it’s working.

Chris built the computer algorithm that would sell to individuals (Banners Broker affiliates), parcels of that advertising space, which then made money from real ads.

His vision was to create a pool of funding that could increase the amount of ad space bid for – i.e. grab a bigger share of the market, which that broker controlled, and thereby increase revenue.

The front line broker would then be invoiced by Banners Broker and pay them their part of that earned revenue. Banners Broker as part of its operating expenses would then pay its affiliates.

Banners Broker affiliates purchase the product of “advertising inventory,” from Banners Broker, which the front line broker connects to advertisers.

So the product of Banners Broker is: Advertising Impressions.

The end user – the advertiser, who never sees or hears of Banners Broker, gets ad space that hosts his advertising, and visitors to the various websites where that ad is displayed, see that ad.

There’s the product.

Sort of tough to see in a virtual word, but there it is.

Traffic

And there’s one other very little known trick in the system that makes it work.

In any business, traffic is a commodity. Brick and mortar businesses depend on people walking by the shop. Traffic is where the money is.

Traffic is why Times Square or other similar places in cities around the world are packed with very high priced advertising space.

Traffic = income.

Well, part of what makes Banners Broker work is that they are also partnered with Internet traffic companies – companies that for a fee, send real live visitors to the websites where the ads are.

So, when an affiliate purchases ad inventory, he also purchases the means to make that ad inventory create revenue – traffic.

The advertiser pays per view – so every time that ad is put on a web page, in front of a visitor, the advertiser pays the advertising company.

So, everybody gets what they need and want – real visitors, paying advertisers, a website that makes revenue for it’s owner…

My wife and I used to sell shoes in a mall in Erie Pa.

Canadians would come from across the NY/Canada border to Erie by the busload to shop because Erie had no sales tax… so, the city of Erie got smart and by setting up favorable conditions to bring traffic from Canada, got tour busses full of people, money in hand to their doorstep.

Smart use of traffic earns Erie, Pa. more revenue.

That’s how traffic works – people who come past your shop with money in hand ready to buy. That’s how Banners Broker does it.

All the ingredients are there to create a booming business model – an expanding advertising network, lots of affiliates who want a chance to get into the profitable game of internet advertising and the ability to drive of lots of traffic to round it all out.

So, everyone benefits. The broker has more leverage, the website owners make more consistent money and the smaller advertisers who can’t do Time Magazine front cover inside have a place to advertise that they can afford.

Banners Broker affiliates have a vehicle to create a business in the online advertising industry that just didn’t exist before.

Even the traffic company gets a piece of the action.

But “insiders” have never heard of Banners Broker ‘cuz the company doesn’t go to Internet advertising trade shows… Advertisers and publishers generally have never heard of them.

Why?

Because Banners Broker’s clients are their affiliates on one end and the front line broker on the other end, not ad agencies.

Banners Broker doesn’t touch advertisers in general – except their own growing list of advertising clients – which they feed into the overall blind network.

Banners Broker is a broker. Yes, they have an advertising platform of their own, but the overwhelming bulk of their revenue comes from the blind network. Banners Broker invoices the front line broker who pays them; Banners Broker then pays it’s affiliates then pockets it’s own profit.

But Isn’t Banners Broker Just Another Sleazy Ponzi Scheme?

What’s a ponzi scheme anyway? The dictionary defines a ponzi as:

Ponzi scheme |ˈpänzē| noun a form of fraud in which belief in the success of a nonexistent enterprise is fostered by the payment of quick returns to the first investors from money invested by later investors.
ORIGIN named after Charles Ponzi (died 1949), who carried out such a fraud (1919–20).

Well, what about a pyramid?

The definition of a pyramid is:

A system of financial growth achieved by a small initial investment, with subsequent investments being funded by using unrealized profits as collateral. • short for pyramid scheme.

Banners Broker is neither.

A Banners Broker affiliate buys a product – ad inventory – blank advertising space on a website. He also buys traffic from a traffic broker and he also buys advertising impressions for his own use in advertising on the same blind network.

If he knows what he is doing, he gets that advertising inventory to work, utilizing traffic, creating revenue.

If he’s really saavy, he gets his own ad campaigns running promoting his own website and products. Affiliates can also sell advertising and publishing services that Banners Broker offers.

If he wisely shepherds his earnings he can increase his working ad inventory and thereby increase his revenue. If I pay $10 for a piece of ad inventory and make $20, that’s not some outrageous markup.

It costs me $2.50 in traffic to enable that $10’s worth of ad space to make $20. I then pay $10 for another piece of inventory, I pay for more traffic and I keep it rolling.

I don’t take my “profits” out until I have created cash flow in excess of what is required to continue my businesses growth… Just like any other business.

I just made $7.50 in 3-4 weeks off of that inventory. What’s so strange about that?

Hell, those shoes I sold in Erie cost me $19 from my wholesaler, but I sold them for $60 and they brought raving return customers. (And jewelry markups are way, way higher.)

If an affiliate learns and utilizes sales skills – just like any other businessman, he can make small sales commissions from bringing in other affiliates – and he earns free traffic called “sales credits.”

Remember the bad joke that “MLM” stands for Most Lose Money? Sadly, it’s true. I know first hand. I am a paid, successful Multilevel Marketing professional.

I know that of the almost 3,000 of my downline, very few make money, but those few that do work their tails off…. those few that do have developed sales, communication, leadership and mentoring skills to a high degree.

So the individual makes the model work or fails to make it work. It’s still all up to you in the end.

Is multi-level marketing a fraud?

No, not at all. It’s just that most who enter that field have no business running a business, so blame the business model when they need to look in the mirror.

They think someone is supposed to do the work for them and they sit back and make money. Doesn’t work like that in real business…

Remember Amway got shut down as a ponzi in some countries where the MLM business model was not well understood, yet they were the founder of a very unique, but legitimate business model in the 50s.

And Google, Apple and HP all started out in garages…

Remember young George Lucas? He approached Hollywood and they all said no.

Except one.

Chris Smith started Banners Broker with an idea, a computer program and one front line broker who could see the potential. In two years he has 265,000 affiliates and Banners Broker is growing like wildfire and starting to catch on.

Seeing this concept work, one of the original resounding “No” brokers – a big one – has now done a double take and reconsidered.

Banners Broker and that new broker are currently bridging their computer systems to do business.

Hollywood missed hits right under its nose.

Sometimes it takes a while for a unique model to gain acceptance…

But when they do, if they can survive in the jungle we call business; they can change their industry.

Al Baker


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Mobile No: +44 7942 869580 Mike Smith
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[Ken Roklin]

Gee, and here was I thinking it was a comment based on my own experiences and observations over many years.

Chris Smith is in Canada.

The fact Banners Broker / Stellar Point and or Mickey Mouse are not registered in Canada is incidental to that fact.

It could even be said that if the Canadian authorities did act today, they will have missed the boat.

Unlike Zeek Rewards, which had at least SOME money and assets when it was shut down, Banners Broker is already a dead ponzi

My comment was based on my experience, observation and research over many years.

The fact that BBI is not based in Canada is very instrumental to the fact. Canada has about the same authority to go after BBI in Belize as does the USA, UK, or any other country. Stellar Point, being an Ontario registered corporation is different, however all you can do with Raj is get him for promoting a Ponzi, same as any IC in the US, UK, Poland, etc. .

Canadian authorities could go after Mickey Mouse (should he commit a crime) as Disney has an office in Toronto and is incorporated as "Walt Disney Company Canada Ltd."

[littleroundman]

all you can do with Raj is get him for promoting a Ponzi,

And that rationale, my fine argumentative friend, is EXACTLY why people such as Chris Smith can continue to do what they do with impunity.

It's a fraud, it's wirefraud, it's a conspiracy, it's money laundering on a large scale and they all participated IN CANADA and they are still there

There's no such bloody thing as "promoting a ponzi"

Please don't insult our intelligence with cockamamie theories.

With the resources behind them, if the Canadian government / authorities had the slightest inclination, they could and would nail Smith and Dixits' hides to the wall, along with those of every Canadian resident involved with the fraud

[NikSam]

Ken, do You know for a fact that:

* there is any company such as BBI registered in Belize?
* that there is a single employee of this scam in Belize?
* that Chris or Raj ever crossed the border to Belize in their entire life ?


Please speak up, you aparently hiding some evidence nobody ever saw , if you insist that BBI is a Belize company.

If not , please shut up.

A scammer from within Canada tells you "I am not here, I am in another country" , how about psychic evaluation of that scammer ?, who the hell gives a **** ? it is not important to the case, you still thinking upon assumption that there is some company and if Canada gives a **** about it.

Scammers are personally responsible (and they all reside and operate in Canada), and nobody cares if they registerd some companies around the world, those companies can only be used as additional names on indictments or Cease and Desists orders in case someone will continue their scam after they been indicted personally.

[Ken Roklin]

Ken, again you with your nonsense. Canadian authorities are to blame because they do nothing against criminals (each located and operating out of Canada). .
How stupid of me. Of course Canada is to blame for the Ponzis headquartered offshore, the US, UK, Spain, Asia, Russia, etc. Canada does nothing against criminals. If you want to commit any crime just come to Canada, our police will help you with whatever crime you want to commit. Canadian courts don't exist, no need as criminals aren't charged.

FYI, there are many more Ponzis operating out of countries such as the US, Brazil, Asia and Europe than Canada. Look at all the HYIP's listed in the MMG forum and you will notice that none are based out of Canada. BOT, a BBI spinoff is registered in the US and what is being done to shut it down? If each country were to shut down the top Ponzi promoters then companies like BBI wouldn't exist.

[NikSam]

... Of course Canada is to blame for the Ponzis headquartered offshore..

Oh, do not be silly, they not headquartered offshore, they bought a stupid pice of paper online for $100 (and it was for Isle of Man, stop about belize). They are in Canada and no piece of paper which says otherwise can change it.
And jurisdiction of Canada might not even aknowledge that there is some company registration in some shithole - they do not have to.

Yes and it is Canadian fault, to be correct , fault of incompetent a-soles who work in your law enforcement agencies.
It is well known fact , that they even knowingly prefer not to investigate things. Need some kick in the nuts from some high official to do something.

Scammers well know that fact and there is more or about the same number of ponzis operating in Canada as in US, difference is in US they do get prosecuted, In canada they stay free.

All of that BB would not have happened at all, If your authorities put Raj to where he belongs long time ago for World Homes scam.

[Ken Roklin]

Ken, do You know for a fact that:

* there is any company such as BBI registered in Belize?
* that there is a single employee of this scam in Belize?
* that Chris or Raj ever crossed the border to Belize in their entire life ?


Please speak up, you aparently hiding some evidence nobody ever saw , if you insist that BBI is a Belize company.

If not , please shut up.

A scammer from within Canada tells you "I am not here, I am in another country" , how about psychic evaluation of that scammer ?, who the hell gives a **** ? it is not important to the case, you still thinking upon assumption that there is some company and if Canada gives a **** about it.

Scammers are personally responsible (and they all reside and operate in Canada), and nobody cares if they registerd some companies around the world, those companies can only be used as additional names on indictments or Cease and Desists orders in case someone will continue their scam after they been indicted personally.

Do you have proof that BBI isn't a company registered in either Isle of Man or Belize?
Do you have proof that there isn't a single employee in Belize either by BBI or Chris's other company "The Monetize Group" in Belize acting on behalf of BBI?
Did Chris or Raj ever go to Belize? Who cares? You don't have to go there to register a company offshore.

What kind of a stupid statement "Scammers are personally responsible (and they all reside and operate in Canada)," is that? Was Zeek a Canadian company? Was Madoff Canadian? Google "worlds biggest Ponzi operators" and you'll see that most are from the US.

[littleroundman]

FYI, there are many more Ponzis operating out of countries such as the US, Brazil, Asia and Europe than Canada. Look at all the HYIP's listed in the MMG forum and you will notice that none are based out of Canada. BOT, a BBI spinoff is registered in the US and what is being done to shut it down? If each country were to shut down the top Ponzi promoters then companies like BBI wouldn't exist.

A weak Strawman argument if there ever was one.

We are talking about BANNERS BROKER which is based IN CANADA, boasts about the fact it is based IN CANADA, gives its' street address IN CANADA and whose main perpetrators are openly based IN CANADA.

We are NOT talking about any other HYIP ponzi.

We are NOT talking about HYIP ponzi on MMG or based in any other country than Canada.

We are not even talking about Nick Smirnows' Pathway 2 Prosperity Canadian based multi million dollar HYIP ponzi, mainly because the Canadian authorities were so slow to react the the squillion warnings they received, Smirnow escaped to the Philippines.

I'll say it again

If Canada had the slightest inclination or political will, Banners Broker would be shutdown and all those involved would be busted for fraud and money laundering at the very least.

[NikSam]

"Do you have proof that BBI isn't a company registered in either Isle of Man or Belize?"
Do i Have to have a proof for that ?
Well, i Have a proof that there is a company registration in Isle of Man "BEDFORD LIMITED" which was re-sold to someone anonymous on 11/04/2012 and renamed to "BANNERS BROKER INTERNATIONAL LIMITED", and some more not public info on it.
Nothing in Belize
Do you have some proof that "The Monetize Group" registered in Belize and in fact linked any way to Chris ? - You telling about it, so proof is upon you.
And how you trying to fit some "Monetize group" into the picture? Who cares , Chris is in Canada, operated scam from Canada, why would we need to hunt all possible companies around the world where he might have some role and accuse those companies too ?
That part would be needed as a second step, to find where they been hiding money and not as a proof of guilt.

I tell you what exact proof i have on - That Raj, Kul and Chris publicly portrayed as operators of BB, a year and 2 ago, there was no mention of any Isle of Man, That Raj owned a company called "BannersBroker Limited" in Canada, that they said they are in Canada.
That Raj said they bought (and later leased) a building where BB will be operating from in Canada, that website had only Canadian address associated with BB at that time,that he invited people to visit BB at Carlow Ct, that later he became Stellar Point.
That BB Debit Cards till its discontinuation were mailed first with printed return address "BannersBroker limited, .... canadian address " and at last days return address stated "Banners Broker International, 5 carlow Ct. ..."
That if canadians send subpoenas to Payza and STP , they will see money transactions and relative account were registered by you know who (a canadian) and that all adminsitartive access to accounts were from canadian IPs (do i need to teach them how they can see who exactly used those IP) and more interesting things as money flow to some canadian banks from those accounts and huge chunks into couple offshore banks".
Or why wait at it, see all hosting contracts, for some reason registered to canadians, there is no record of this scam linked to some belize or Isle of Man company (only what scammers told you), but all paper trail shows only canadians and some Raj buddies in Nevada.
there is money trail to offshore companies, when they were hiding the loot - But sorry , it means nothing in eyes of law to establish guilt, only helps to trace the money, - you ve been scamed by your dear canadians.


I can name you more big Ponzis in Canada who went unpunished than you can name the biggest Ponzi busts in US.

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[NikSam]

...
What kind of a stupid statement "Scammers are personally responsible (and they all reside and operate in Canada)," is that? Was Zeek a Canadian company? Was Madoff Canadian? Google "worlds biggest Ponzi operators" and you'll see that most are from the US.

In this thread we are talking primary about BB scammers, did i say all scammers of the world are in canada ? what stupid about it? if you want to talk about Zeek or Madoff, there are other threads. or Monetize Group (if you really can show it exists and that it is somehow related to BB otherwise stop repeating people telling you unverified info).

[Ken Roklin]

A weak Strawman argument if there ever was one.

We are talking about BANNERS BROKER which is based IN CANADA, boasts about the fact it is based IN CANADA, gives its' street address IN CANADA and whose main perpetrators are openly based IN CANADA.

We are NOT talking about any other HYIP ponzi.

We are NOT talking about HYIP ponzi on MMG or based in any other country than Canada.

We are not even talking about Nick Smirnows' Pathway 2 Prosperity Canadian based multi million dollar HYIP ponzi, mainly because the Canadian authorities were so slow to react the the squillion warnings they received, Smirnow escaped to the Philippines.

I'll say it again

If Canada had the slightest inclination or political will, Banners Broker would be shutdown and all those involved would be busted for fraud and money laundering at the very least.

What you don't seem to understand is that before the Fraud division acts on an internet fraud, there have to be complaints by someone. That isn't happening. All the complaining is done amongst the affiliates themselves in forums and very few are doing anything about it other than that. Have you reported BBI to the RCMP? I doubt it. Kudos to the affiliate in Spain who is doing something about it other than complain in a forum. He is suing Simon in a court in the UK. He is going after a top promoter of the scam. How many are reporting the top promoters in the US of running a scam and have authorities shut them down? As far as I can tell they are still busy promoting BBI and the new scam BB Mobile. They are as guilty as Chris is. Stop the promoters and you stop Chris.

Re: "In Texas, pyramid schemes are against the law. They are considered a type of investment fraud. Many of these schemes are carried out over the internet and e-mail as scams. Texas law makes it a crime to create, prepare, advertise, sell, operate or promote a pyramid promotional scheme." I am sure this law is the same in every other state in the US.

Canada is no different than any other country when it comes to acting on a reported crime. BBI is only 3 years old. Madoff ran his scam for over 25 years before authorities acted on it. Talk about being slow to go after a scammer.

Top scams in the 21st century.

Haiti 1
Costa Rica 1
Malaysia 1
Australia 1
China 1
Philippines 2
Finland 1
UK 2
Tamil 1
Tunisia 1
Canada 1
USA 28

The fact that most of the ones prosecuted are in the US is good but it also shows that most of the scams originate and are run in the States. Scammers must feel pretty safe there or else why start one there.

[NikSam]

Ken, complaints are not required to investigate and indict in Canada, a goverment regulator (AMF, FinTRAC, Competition Bureau, etc.. ) is free to investigate out of suspicion or on a tip and file a case in court against any scam(er) without complaints.
(I do not think RCMP can act on something complicated like that without a regulator decision, it is not clear to them if law is broken , all they can tell you go to court, perhaps they contact a prosecutor who in turn has still ask regulator or might act himself )

The regulators are lazy idiots, even if you bring them a case on a tray, they will just hide it somewhere to not to do any work, they only act when someone from the top starts screaming at them.

The fact they not performing their duties and it almost never ever happened, says a lot. They only trying to act (if even trying) when it is too late, complaints in most cases means a criminal is long gone.
Also agencies slicing duties across provinces and different local laws in provinces hurt the whole system more.

Lawmakers , just for fun, passed a new corporate law which gives more secrecy to canada formed companies. WTF ? is whole government there scammers or bribed or idiots ?


PS: oh, Yeah, if You believe Chris and Raj words, BB is not operating in US and no US "affiliates" are accepted :) more than that, you cannot even pick "US" as your country during registration.

[littleroundman]

Have you reported BBI to the RCMP?I doubt it

How the he** would you know who or how many have reported what to whom ???


What you don't seem to understand is that before the Fraud division acts on an internet fraud, there have to be complaints by someone

And that is the sort of petty bureaucratic nonsense observers have come to expect from apologists for a system so paralysed by regulation and internecine rivalry.

[Beacon]

How stupid of me. Of course Canada is to blame for the Ponzis headquartered offshore, the US, UK, Spain, Asia, Russia, etc. Canada does nothing against criminals. If you want to commit any crime just come to Canada, our police will help you with whatever crime you want to commit. Canadian courts don't exist, no need as criminals aren't charged.


Yes Ken Canada seems to be light on criminals IMO just as the US are to heavy on them. But with respect I think you are missing the point. The point is
What laws were broken? - in whatever juristiction.
What legal entity broke them - a company/individual etc.
If a company broke the law does it have any assets ? If not then who owns the company ( limited liability only protects legal buisiness not criminal "business" ) or was directing the operation?



FYI, there are many more Ponzis operating out of countries such as the US, Brazil, Asia and Europe than Canada. Look at all the HYIP's listed in the MMG forum and you will notice that none are based out of Canada.


Again, so what? We are concerned here with individuals or the companies they control or own which ARE based in Canada! WHY? Because Hooker, Dixit, Smith etc. all happen to be in that jurisdiction. If they were in the UK e.g. like Stepsys is then that is where you might act.



BOT, a BBI spinoff is registered in the US and what is being done to shut it down? If each country were to shut down the top Ponzi promoters then companies like BBI wouldn't exist.

Indeed and Im sure things ( actually I know for a fact) that things are being done to enquire into and act on these but

1. They aren't in Canada wher Dixit et.al. are!
2. They aren't BB ~ though they may be related to people in BB. so they don't go into this discussion but into another thread e.g. the one on Bank on Traffic.

[Beacon]

What you don't seem to understand is that before the Fraud division acts on an internet fraud, there have to be complaints by someone. That isn't happening.


With respect Ken you dont know that nor do you represent the fraud squad. It is quite possible fraud is being investigate in several jurisdictions. But again so what? Dixit and his companies are in Canada and that is what we are discussing.


All the complaining is done amongst the affiliates themselves in forums and very few are doing anything about it other than that. Have you reported BBI to the RCMP? I doubt it.


Again Ken Look up "argument from ignorance" You cant base your argument of what you believe people have not done because you just don't know.


Kudos to the affiliate in Spain who is doing something about it other than complain in a forum. He is suing Simon in a court in the UK. He is going after a top promoter of the scam. How many are reporting the top promoters in the US of running a scam and have authorities shut them down?


Again the UK court case is nothing DIRECTLY to do with a different person involved with the same fraud in Canada.



As far as I can tell they are still busy promoting BBI and the new scam BB Mobile. They are as guilty as Chris is. Stop the promoters and you stop Chris.


Angain I do not disagree with that point but so what? It hads nothing to do with a canadian case.


Re: "In Texas, pyramid schemes are against the law. They are considered a type of investment fraud. Many of these schemes are carried out over the internet and e-mail as scams. Texas law makes it a crime to create, prepare, advertise, sell, operate or promote a pyramid promotional scheme." I am sure this law is the same in every other state in the US.


Again this is argument from ignorance. All US states have different laws. In Texas for example they dont have income tax and have lax gun laws.



Canada is no different than any other country when it comes to acting on a reported crime.

Again argument from ignorance. All countries are NOT the same otherwise ther would be a world government police force and court.


BBI is only 3 years old. Madoff ran his scam for over 25 years before authorities acted on it. Talk about being slow to go after a scammer.




The fact that most of the ones prosecuted are in the US is good but it also shows that most of the scams originate and are run in the States. Scammers must feel pretty safe there or else why start one there.

Agaion the US probably invaded more countried in the 20th century than anyone else but so what? Nothing to do with the topic.

[Ken Roklin]

Ken, complaints are not required to investigate and indict in Canada, a goverment regulator (AMF, FinTRAC, Competition Bureau, etc.. ) is free to investigate out of suspicion or on a tip and file a case in court against any scam(er) without complaints.
(I do not think RCMP can act on something complicated like that without a regulator decision, it is not clear to them if law is broken , all they can tell you go to court, perhaps they contact a prosecutor who in turn has still ask regulator or might act himself )

The regulators are lazy idiots, even if you bring them a case on a tray, they will just hide it somewhere to not to do any work, they only act when someone from the top starts screaming at them.

The fact they not performing their duties and it almost never ever happened, says a lot. They only trying to act (if even trying) when it is too late, complaints in most cases means a criminal is long gone.
Also agencies slicing duties across provinces and different local laws in provinces hurt the whole system more.

Lawmakers , just for fun, passed a new corporate law which gives more secrecy to canada formed companies. WTF ? is whole government there scammers or bribed or idiots ?


PS: oh, Yeah, if You believe Chris and Raj words, BB is not operating in US and no US "affiliates" are accepted :) more than that, you cannot even pick "US" as your country during registration.

FYI anyone that has been a victim of a scam operating in Canada can go to the RCMP website and they will point you to the appropriate link to report a fraud. Contrary to what you believe the RCMP does investigate a reported crime and based on what the crime is will send it to the appropriate authorities, i.e. The OSC if it involves securities/investments.

"complaints are not required to investigate and indict in Canada". No authorities are going to go on a hunt looking for companies and people who may run a scam. So yes, someone must report the fraud/scam somewhere before the appropriate authorities will take action.

"The regulators are lazy idiots, even if you bring them a case on a tray, they will just hide it somewhere to not to do any work, they only act when someone from the top starts screaming at them." And you know this for a fact how?

"Lawmakers , just for fun, passed a new corporate law which gives more secrecy to canada formed companies. WTF ? is whole government there scammers or bribed or idiots ?" What law is that?

And yes, the Canadian government is nothing but scammers and bribed idiots. It is modeled after the US government.

[scamassassin007]

Did The Guardian Uno get banned from MMG?

WTF???

[NikSam]

FYI anyone that has been a victim of a scam operating in Canada can go to the RCMP website and they will point you to the appropriate link to report a fraud. Contrary to what you believe the RCMP does investigate a reported crime and based on what the crime is will send it to the appropriate authorities, i.e. The OSC if it involves securities/investments.

Ok, RCMP can act if you were robbed at gunpoint. But if you yourself in clear mind sent money to someone and it is promoted not as any investment, not as for some goods or services, but rather business, so you joined some business which screwed you, RCMP can do nothing about that, only advise you to go to court.
Or complain to a regulator who oversees that type of activity. And they can offer you to file a police report, which will be immediately thrown somewhere in warehouse and forgotten. Let assume RCMP get thousands of those victims, well they will probably start annoying a regulator themselves or go to prosecutor to figure out what to do.





No authorities are going to go on a hunt looking for companies and people who may run a scam. So yes, someone must report the fraud/scam somewhere before the appropriate authorities will take action.

You absolutely wrong. crime conducted regardless if victims come forward or not and the duty of a regulator (or law enforcement if the crime falls in their bounds) to detect and investigate crime in their sphere of activity.
In this picture a regulator acts as complainer/victim/plaintiff
Inactivity and Incompetence of your regulators might be affecting your perception of what they are for.




"The regulators are lazy idiots...." And you know this for a fact how?

Ken, i know for a fact that they would do anything but not their duties, have personal experiences how RCMP and AMF were totally ignorant and delayed the case for years, hopefully will actually act on it in near future, even that it might be late now.
In past , had same experience as well. And know for a fact that Canada gave a refuge status to several people from Russia even after evidence of their criminal activity was produced.



What law is that?


Canada Business Corporations Act (amended in 2011) - Canada Business Corporations Act (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-44/FullText.html)



And yes, the Canadian government is nothing but scammers and bribed idiots. It is modeled after the US government.


Go deeper, British, or British Common pirates law :)
The problem is not after whom it is modeled as if the people in charge perfoming their duties and how. UK and US in that perspective is something you should look up to.


PS: while UK and US fighting corporate secrecy onshore and offshore, Canada want to attract criminals (just as banana islands)
http://www.globalwitness.org/library/global-witness-welcomes-uk%E2%80%99s-historic-rollback-corporate-secrecy.
http://business.financialpost.com/2012/10/15/canada-among-top-countries-for-anonymous-shell-companies/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ex-revenue-canada-lawyer-advised-how-to-hide-money-offshore-1.1875481

And i do not have to explain you how US law enforcement and regulators hate state level offshores such as Delaware and Nevada and Utah states.

While whole world joining a war on offshores, Canada seems clueless or want to be an offshore.

[littleroundman]

Did The Guardian Uno get banned from MMG?

WTF???

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Trying to tell the truth on the MMG HYIP ponzi forum ???

Tch, tch, what was he thinking ??

[littleroundman]

Ken, you continually keep avoiding the central issue while simultaneously proving the point that began this discussion.

* Banners Broker is a large scale CRIMINAL fraud and international money laundering operation

* Forget about the administrative / civil regulation side of things. These guys are criminals and Banners Broker is first and foremost a multi million dollar criminal conspiracy

Imagine the scenario down at RCMP headquarters : "Yes, sarge, we know they've ripped off a couple of hundred million and boasted about it all over the information highway, but no one has complained yet, so what can we do ?"

By proposing the idea Canadian authorities cannot or will not act without complaints, you are only furthering the argument that Canada is a haven for fraud and fraudsters.

* If you are you seriously suggesting that due to it's own bureaucratic regulations a multi million dollar fraud can operate with impunity from Canada until someone complains, then you have proven not your own point, but that of those who made the original observation under discussion.

* If, as it appears, you are further proposing Canadian authorities cannot act because of where Banners Broker may or may not be incorporated or registered, you have just provided criminals worldwide with the perfect solution to their main problem.
Register in Belize, operate from Canada and, if no one complains, you're set for life.

I don't think so

* Canada is signator to, and bound by, the same international anti fraud and anti money laundering treaties and agreements as are most nations.

Bureaucracy or no bureaucracy, do YOU know what the hundreds of millions of dollars generated by the Banners Broker fraud is financing or where it will end up ??

If there are "reasons" valid or otherwise why Canada cannot or will not act in such cases, fine, but PLEASE don't come here and pretend it's not happening

[Fat City, LA]

Did The Guardian Uno get banned from MMG?

WTF???

I had 1/2 dozen plus user names banned on MMG.
EVERYTIME it was for negative comment (really just saying it was a ponzi) vs someone who had an expansive banner on the site.
Each time it turned out be horrible ponzi, many lost $$$$$.

Eventually I had it out with the owner. She banned my IP.

[scamassassin007]

I had 1/2 dozen plus user names banned on MMG.
EVERYTIME it was for negative comment (really just saying it was a ponzi) vs someone who had an expansive banner on the site.
Each time it turned out be horrible ponzi, many lost $$$$$.

Eventually I had it out with the owner. She banned my IP.

http://imageshack.com/a/img513/5237/msp7.jpg

Well... I liked TGU

He always backed up his posts with facts and I loved his investigative talents. Especially with all the fraudsters in the UK.

I hope to see him back in action soon.


I have a message for MMG:

http://iampaulmort.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/middlefinger.jpg

[AshKen1]

I am sure that TGU will be welcome here :)

Seems the BB thread on MMG is also closed (but that could just be me misinterpreting stuff). TGU must have been treading on too many toes, corns and bunions!

[scamassassin007]

I am sure that TGU will be welcome here :)

Seems the BB thread on MMG is also closed (but that could just be me misinterpreting stuff). TGU must have been treading on too many toes, corns and bunions!


The only thing I like (used to like) about MMG is thre google searches for the categories.
I could never see why people would pay their fees for advertising with such a small number of hits.
MMG chooses to be a friend of the scammers rather than a FREE voice of a blog or forum.

Another Example:
The Scammers seem to get away with murder online.
Dan Dare had his video removed from youtube. (Now On Daily Motions) because Mark Ghobril cried to youtube.
Now he cried to daily motion.
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/156283_207468162785175_1617168458_n.jpg

Poor Mark Ghobril was being a crybaby!
http://theosophical.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/baby-hitler2.jpg

Good thing I found a copy on VideoBam. Please pass it on.
NEW--->
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/q71/s720x720/1798743_207480192783972_17138435_n.jpg (http://videobam.com/jEzfl)

http://videobam.com/jEzfl
Funny how it is showing up everywhere.

It seems ok to lie, cheat, and steel.
Gypsys Tramps And Thieves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOSZwEwl_1Q

[Joe_Shmoe]

For those who might not have seen it yet.

One of our old friends is making the headlines again with his new scam, his "nightmare" old scam gets a mention also.

Is FlexKom REALLY 'the future of business' or just another hopeless 'get rich quick' scheme? - Andrew Penman - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/flexkom-really-the-future-business-3116205)

[Ken Roklin]

Ok, RCMP can act if you were robbed at gunpoint. But if you yourself in clear mind sent money to someone and it is promoted not as any investment, not as for some goods or services, but rather business, so you joined some business which screwed you, RCMP can do nothing about that, only advise you to go to court.
Or complain to a regulator who oversees that type of activity. And they can offer you to file a police report, which will be immediately thrown somewhere in warehouse and forgotten. Let assume RCMP get thousands of those victims, well they will probably start annoying a regulator themselves or go to prosecutor to figure out what to do.




You absolutely wrong. crime conducted regardless if victims come forward or not and the duty of a regulator (or law enforcement if the crime falls in their bounds) to detect and investigate crime in their sphere of activity.
In this picture a regulator acts as complainer/victim/plaintiff
Inactivity and Incompetence of your regulators might be affecting your perception of what they are for.



Ken, i know for a fact that they would do anything but not their duties, have personal experiences how RCMP and AMF were totally ignorant and delayed the case for years, hopefully will actually act on it in near future, even that it might be late now.
In past , had same experience as well. And know for a fact that Canada gave a refuge status to several people from Russia even after evidence of their criminal activity was produced.



Canada Business Corporations Act (amended in 2011) - Canada Business Corporations Act (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-44/FullText.html)



Go deeper, British, or British Common pirates law :)
The problem is not after whom it is modeled as if the people in charge perfoming their duties and how. UK and US in that perspective is something you should look up to.


PS: while UK and US fighting corporate secrecy onshore and offshore, Canada want to attract criminals (just as banana islands)
Global Witness welcomes UK (http://www.globalwitness.org/library/global-witness-welcomes-uk%E2%80%99s-historic-rollback-corporate-secrecy).
Canada among top countries for anonymous shell companies | Financial Post (http://business.financialpost.com/2012/10/15/canada-among-top-countries-for-anonymous-shell-companies/)
Ex-Revenue Canada lawyer advised how to hide money offshore - Canada - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ex-revenue-canada-lawyer-advised-how-to-hide-money-offshore-1.1875481)

And i do not have to explain you how US law enforcement and regulators hate state level offshores such as Delaware and Nevada and Utah states.

While whole world joining a war on offshores, Canada seems clueless or want to be an offshore.
I don't know where you reside but your arguments sound like the typical American where the US is and does everything better than any other country. Your arguments, if I wanted to take the time and effort are easily refuted and backed up with facts, but this is a Banners Broker thread so won't bother. We've taken up enough posts with the US vs Canada BS.

[Ken Roklin]

In this thread we are talking primary about BB scammers, did i say all scammers of the world are in canada ? what stupid about it? if you want to talk about Zeek or Madoff, there are other threads. or Monetize Group (if you really can show it exists and that it is somehow related to BB otherwise stop repeating people telling you unverified info).

You did say all scammers are in Canada.

Re the Monetize Group, theguardianuno did some research and came up with the following post in the MMG forum. Believe it or not.



theguardianuno
It is believed that the ponzi scheme was a $600M enterprise and the number of affected investors was 1 million when the SEC filed suit. This made Zeek Rewards the largest ponzi scheme in history by number of affected investors, even though numerous other ponzi schemes have had larger enterprise values.
've seen a few comments in various places about BBI, Chris Smith and Belize.

BBI is registered in IOM, it has directors which are provided by the formation company there, all directors are located within IOM. BBI cannot have directors in Belize and does not. As the directors and company are in IOM, they cannot have the Belize location tied to it under IOM regulations. They can have a parent company but not BBI itself, Chris is of course trying to use BBI itself in Belize which is neither legal and does not hold water.

Monetize Group Incorporated which is one of the companies behind Banners Broker International, is registered in Belize and has a director there. I think this is how they have an office but are using it for BBI rather than MGI which should be it's purpose. Chris Smith is the sole director of MGI.

[hendyphilhendy]

For those who might not have seen it yet.

One of our old friends is making the headlines again with his new scam, his "nightmare" old scam gets a mention also.

Is FlexKom REALLY 'the future of business' or just another hopeless 'get rich quick' scheme? - Andrew Penman - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/flexkom-really-the-future-business-3116205)


Interesting that is his second mention on there as I reported him to the Mirror when I had my Banners Broker account locked.

Banners Broker accused of being Ponzi scheme - Investigations (http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/investigations/2013/01/banners-broker-accused-of-bein.html)

[littleroundman]

Seems the BB thread on MMG is also closed (but that could just be me misinterpreting stuff).

Not closed, just practicing some of the incongruity and hypocrisy for which the HYIP ponzi "industry" and forums are renowned.

http://imageshack.com/a/img823/6823/buam.jpg

So, it's permissible for the shills, pimps and promoters to post pix of their families and children online as part of a criminal conspiracy, but heaven forbid anyone should REPRODUCE the same pix in an effort to warn potential victims.

[scamassassin007]

Not closed, just practicing some of the incongruity and hypocrisy for which the HYIP ponzi "industry" and forums are renowned.

http://imageshack.com/a/img823/6823/buam.jpg

So, it's permissible for the shills, pimps and promoters to post pix of their families and children online as part of a criminal conspiracy, but heaven forbid anyone should REPRODUCE the same pix in an effort to warn potential victims.

I Agree 100%

The Scammers spend some of their loot on legal recourse.

http://df5eshuaiifdc.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/image/Empower_Checks/218,000-Check-Simon-Stepsys.jpg


and Cars....

http://www.realscam.com/attachments/f8/2924d1359385017-banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-car.jpg



and Gold Rings.....

http://earnalivingonline.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Simon-Stepsys.jpg

[Beacon]

You did say all scammers are in Canada.

Re the Monetize Group, theguardianuno did some research and came up with the following post in the MMG forum. Believe it or not.

To clarify . It matters not whether it is in Canada, UK Belize, Mali or wherever or whether it is a company ( a legal person) or a real person.

WHAT MATTERS IS
1. Do legal persons ( living or real people) abide within the jurisdiction of that country?
2. Is there a law in that country pertaining to people operating frauds scams ponzis or whatever.
3. Are the legal entities in those countries in possession of money whether in their personal bank account the company account or otherwise or assets e.g. buildings property cars etc.

If Johnny bankrupt has no money then he isn't worth bothering with. If Monotize group or BBI dont actually have any money then forget them. If Stepsys is in the UK and not Canada then dont try to bring him to court in Canada. If Raj or Chris is in India dont try to bring him or BBI or Monotize to court in Belize ( unless say Monotize group happens to have 50 million dollars in Belize and you are freezing those assets).

Finally report the crime wherever you are and tell the authorities that there are investigations pending in several countries and leave them get on with the job. If you really believe the Mounties or Fraud or FBI are not doing their job then leave it for a year and sue them for miscarriage of justice or get a politician to raise it in parliament if you want. And dont say it wont happen because as you have already seen Stepsys was mentioned in Westminster. In fact I think the person who raised it might be happy to know about the current case.

[scamassassin007]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t31/q71/s720x720/1617586_207554356109889_1391266124_o.jpg

[scamassassin007]

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/q71/s720x720/1625609_207586806106644_66537131_n.jpg (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bdn2r_bb-scam-vid-feb-9-2014)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bdn2r_bb-scam-vid-feb-9-2014

[Mundorf]

Justice is not blind....but....every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. In the same time every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on....the law is there,what community wants to make out of it -is another thing.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Moving Forward From Banners Broker

"Banners Broker is done" says Chase Swift, he apologizes for the fact that "Banners Broker turned out to be such a dud"

Well wadayaknow? :RpS_rolleyes:

He's moving onto a more ethical scam no doubt.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXYSaGzx1aw&feature=youtu.be&a

[Joe_Shmoe]

Serial sucker Felecia Tucker ain't very happy with Banners Broker.

"Don't sign up with Banners Broker" she says.

Although she is still with another scam called Empower Network.

How many times do these people need to be scammed before they learn?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwrLccVYBvo

[Fat City, LA]

I had 1/2 dozen plus user names banned on MMG.
EVERYTIME it was for negative comment (really just saying it was a ponzi) vs someone who had an expansive banner on the site.
Each time it turned out be horrible ponzi, many lost $$$$$.

Eventually I had it out with the owner. She banned my IP.

I wanted to add. Posters I had words with on MMG. As soon as they sprung for lifetime MMG supporter=I'm banned.

[Fat City, LA]

Ass Chaps Alan is up with a new video. I can't believe he can do these with a straight face, people have not been paid money they were OWED in over a year, and it is their fault.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQGtDBxtQsM

6948

"YouTube users have flagged this video as possibly a scam, spam, or commercially deceptive content"
Great Job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :scared_1:

[baylee]

Moving Forward From Banners Broker

"Banners Broker is done" says Chase Swift, he apologizes for the fact that "Banners Broker turned out to be such a dud"

Well wadayaknow? :RpS_rolleyes:

He's moving onto a more ethical scam no doubt.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXYSaGzx1aw&feature=youtu.be&a

Scum bag #2 in my book!

[baylee]

Serial sucker Felecia Tucker ain't very happy with Banners Broker.

"Don't sign up with Banners Broker" she says.

Although she is still with another scam called Empower Network.

How many times do these people need to be scammed before they learn?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwrLccVYBvo

Scumbag number 3 here.

[baylee]

"YouTube users have flagged this video as possibly a scam, spam, or commercially deceptive content"
Great Job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :scared_1:

And here is the scumbag number 1. I am sure there are others more deserving but for now in my book, this is a good start for scumbags!

[scamassassin007]

WHAT?

:loser:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUH7Ou4B36c

Are you kidding me...

"Chris Smith.. The Honest Guy that He Is.. Did Not Think People Would Withdraw Money They Did Not Have"

WHAT?

This video was recent. Jan 15, 2014 upload.

[Fat City, LA]

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[Whip]

"YouTube users have flagged this video as possibly a scam, spam, or commercially deceptive content"
Great Job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :scared_1:

It's still up.

[Fat City, LA]

Ive seen them taken down for copyright infri. or bullying, harassing, etc

Scam warning is best we can get for now.

[Beacon]

I wanted to add. Posters I had words with on MMG. As soon as they sprung for lifetime MMG supporter=I'm banned.

On the positive side
- Such actions and their outcomes add to the reputation of Realscam
- They detract from the reputation of MMG
- MMG eventually loses its appeal to mass markets and becomes a hangout for serial scammers which makes current scams easily to identify; all one need do is visit the back patting club of MMG and note what is current.

[Mundorf]

Moving Forward From Banners Broker

"Banners Broker is done" says Chase Swift, he apologizes for the fact that "Banners Broker turned out to be such a dud"

Well wadayaknow? :RpS_rolleyes:

He's moving onto a more ethical scam no doubt.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXYSaGzx1aw&feature=youtu.be&a

It seems that scams did not cost him only money but he got a stroke as well...so how many scams more he must go through to make his last move onto ...grave-yard ?

[Beacon]

It's still up.

As are all the scam promotion Linkedin Groups. And Linkedin are aware of the scam.

Apparently you cant "Report Group" anymore
http://help.linkedin.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1666/ft/eng

I guess you have to select "Feedback" and report them that way. Get busy reporting the BB promotion groups people because Linkedin will say they didn't have enough people complaining. I suppose based on that we can therefore blame the Gypsies Slavs and the Jews for not complaining early enough about the Holocaust? Linkedin and facebook have known about this scam for at least a year. It appears however that random people losing 10k does not matter to them. It is only when a corporate is in for millions in a case or when people get organised that the corporates seem to suddenly care. In that regard I agree with the sentiments expressed about other large concerns such as State "justice"institutions.

[Beacon]

How short the memory of ponzi players seem.
I'm surprised at the amount of posters who entirely forget the BB rule of "no promoting other schemes" and "no involvement in other schemes while in BB"

At the moment message boards are awash with messages like "BB is still running but paying out slow so for the moment I'm recommending and putting my money in XYZ alternative HYIP..."
Not to mention the history of the same people promising definite continued payouts.
The internet may enable these frauds but it also enables a record of their broken promises and misdeeds as well as clearly depicting their serial involvement as they hop from scheme to scheme.