Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

[Gregg]

Eh? Is that possible to split the system? I am assuming that this is more rubbish from BB?

As for referring to webinars/ICs/GMs - yadda yadda yadda. As in can anyone really really get into the system?

I'm going out on a limb here and am going to call this a load of bollox.

Sheesh.... believe that, you'll believe anything. Oh ... Wait.....

But there is no system to "monitor panel movements" it's all a fairy story.

[AshKen1]

It can 'float' for as long as it wants.
A few years if they really want it to.

Jason

Which means what? Can you use little words for people like me who aren't technically minded please? Thanks. :RpS_smile:

[AshKen1]

But there is no system to "monitor panel movements" it's all a fairy story.

Indeed it is. The BB Excuses Department must have a wonderful, creative time coming up with the next one that is, for the technically challenged, almost believable. My mate would certainly swallow that nonsense for sure :(

[Hypanor]

Just a little evidence of earnings, should the US authorities do any clawbacks.
This guy has been a BB pimp, always harping on about how BB always pays. It wasn't until the other HYIPers on there started recently giving him grief about his broken record posts that he started to change his tune. Now he claims he hasn't introduced anyone to BB since Sept last year... I reckon he's full of it (no proof, but he's a money hungry player).

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[Hypanor]

And speaking of Portugal (a page or two back), this closed Facebook group (http://www.facebook.com/groups/552236151483788/?ref=nf)has come to my attention.

Here's the page info, courtesy of Google Translate (red comment is mine):


RULES FOR WELFARE GROUP (Apt, there'll be plenty ex-BBers who will be needing welfare)

Group for helping all who participate in Banners Broker Portugal.

Business disclose the other member of the Group will be deleted without warning to remove SPAM.

- We should not show arrogance toward other members and not disrespect.
- We should always show respect for the opinions contrary to ours, so that our are respected by others.
- We must not disclose information about the Banners Broker, be it good or bad without a True Source and Journal. If you want to do this only if you do something official.
- Do not make comparisons between the Banners Broker and financial institutions.
- Do not make comparisons between the Banners Broker and the Stock Exchange.
- Do not make projections of future income, as this is not Banners Broker. (That bit is 100% correct, Banners Broker has no future income)
- Do not give income guarantees.
- Do not use the term "investment" in any way connected with Banners Broker.
- Do not use terms "duplication" or "gains on the initial amount of reinvestment"
- Do not promote Banners Broker as a management company.
- Do not abuse the trust of others.
- Do not open topics without first seeing if this is no longer open topic with the same theme. Sometimes the answers we seek are up there.
- WHEN A MEMBER OF THE GROUP OPENS A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION, IS EXTREMELY PROHIBITED SUBJECT TO CHANGE WHAT WAS OPEN TO DISCUSSION. LAW GIVES A 1 WARNING, THE 2nd IS BANNED GROUP, HAS TO BE THE PERSON THAT RESPECT SONRE OPENED THE DISCUSSION.

Comply with the rules is to ensure that the group is united.

[Poyol]

Which means what? Can you use little words for people like me who aren't technically minded please? Thanks. :RpS_smile:

They can park the domain for a nominal fee and come back as Banners Broker when most people have forgotten about them.
I doubt they will; but anything is possible.

Jason

[Dreamstealer]

Dear few remaining BB faithful. I applaud your resolution. If you are in the UK can you please take note of the following. Under UK law as BB is a "trade" you must pay tax on these earnings wherever in the world they arise and Whether or not you have sent the earnings to the uk. The tax year ends on 5th April so can I suggest that you speak to a QUALIFIED accountant, not one of the buffoons that post on the various BB forums saying what a bloke in a pub told them. Many QUALIFIED accountants will offer an initial meeting free, so take all of the details of earnings you have and ask them for a ballpark figure of your tax. Do this before 5th April as you will need to make sure you know what details to retain. When you find out the truth i then suggest you immediately try to take as much out of BB as possible as this will reduce the amount you will have to increase your mortgage by to cover the tax bill.

Have a happy Easter.

[Dreamstealer]

Dear few remaining BB faithful. I applaud your resolution. If you are in the UK can you please take note of the following. Under UK law as BB is a "trade" you must pay tax on these earnings wherever in the world they arise and Whether or not you have sent the earnings to the uk. The tax year ends on 5th April so can I suggest that you speak to a QUALIFIED accountant, not one of the buffoons that post on the various BB forums saying what a bloke in a pub told them. Many QUALIFIED accountants will offer an initial meeting free, so take all of the details of earnings you have and ask them for a ballpark figure of your tax. Do this before 5th April as you will need to make sure you know what details to retain. When you find out the truth i then suggest you immediately try to take as much out of BB as possible as this will reduce the amount you will have to increase your mortgage by to cover the tax bill.

Have a happy Easter.

And happy easter to the uk pimps with online earnings evidence. Hope no one tells HMRC about you.

[Ken Roklin]

It can 'float' for as long as it wants.
A few years if they really want it to.

Jason

No need to take the website down. Just look at Raj's previous scam he was involved in that shut its doors years ago. Website is still up.
http://www.icfworldhomes.com

[Jerrygo]

for 12 months there have been predictions that bb was about to die any day now. But it has limped on and on. Morphing every few weeks to avoid action by authorities, from cycler doubler to investment, to advertiser to publisher to broker. Changing their contract with investors, clients, affiliates, without agreement or consent whenever they felt the need to.
Cleverly making it easy to put money in, but harder and harder to get money out. They have done everything possible to drag it out. Even recruiting in Bangladesh and Cambodia, where a months wages might be $100. Still it is not dead.
But since Mastercard pulled the plug, and the compulsory 36 blog rule, there is a different feel about bb. No one is getting any of their money out, Nothing on their official facebook page, or official twitter, or bb blog for couple of weeks now. Website gone into the twilight zone. Silence from the top level. Even the normal shills have gone to ground.
I am sure bb will try to drag on for a little while yet. If only to gather up the last available dollar, and to cover tracks, and manufacture alibis.
But I think this goose is nearly cooked.

[Newto]

Just found that on "isitdownrightnow"

"I love everyone's enthusiasm, but THIS has gone beyond a joke now, I truly believe that BBI have done a runner with our money, there is NO WAY OF CONTACTING THEM, I have tried EVERY contact number and also emailing all the contact i have over the last 3 days, the phone numbers there is NO REPLY, and no reply on email either, somehow i have to explain to my wife why i wasted £2500 !!!

Think this might end in LEGAL ACTION"

Anybody else tried to call them and not reach anybody? I think that has not happened before. Maybe they really have the runner.

[ribshaw]

They have done everything possible to drag it out. Even recruiting in Bangladesh and Cambodia, where a months wages might be $100. Still it is not dead.

One thing interesting here is one true believer is from Cambodia and can still get someone on the phone. However, dissatisfaction of BB affiliates appears to be increasing. Not scientific to be sure, but some are really starting to wake up. Even Napoleon Dynamite is losing faith, won't be wearing a Vote for Raj shirt anytime soon.

Bannersbroker.com - Is Banners Broker Down Right Now? (http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/bannersbroker.com.html)

[Brenda]

And speaking of Portugal (a page or two back), this closed Facebook group (http://www.facebook.com/groups/552236151483788/?ref=nf)has come to my attention.

Here's the page info, courtesy of Google Translate (red comment is mine):

looking at the page, it seems the last post was 26th Feb so wonder has it been closed since then?? If so, wonder what was the reason for it being closed so long before the rest of the skeptics starting asking questions and long before all the connectivity issues?

24 members is a significant downline, would hate to be in the shoes of some of those recruiters, this one must be getting 23 phone calls everyday! :scared_1:

[Dreamstealer]

And speaking of Portugal (a page or two back), this closed Facebook group (http://www.facebook.com/groups/552236151483788/?ref=nf)has come to my attention.

Here's the page info, courtesy of Google Translate (red comment is mine):

Fantastic- " Do not Mention Investment" then the next line talks about reinvestment. F**k me these guys are thick.

[Hypanor]

That exact same Chris Smith message is on a couple of other facebook pages too (like this one (http://www.facebook.com/BannersBrokerGuideStrategyHelp)).
Then you get dropkicks like Stephen Parry making comments like this:

Stephen Parry: Message from our very Honest and Humble CEO Mr Chris Smith; Hey everyone, Rajiv and I had a little legal problem and my phone was confiscated so the engine is down. Don't worry, IT is on it. We are here for the long haul!
Yesterday at 04:12 · Like

Stephen Parry: positive vibes guys
Yesterday at 04:12 · Like · 1

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[Poyol]

That exact same Chris Smith message is on a couple of other facebook pages too (like this one (http://www.facebook.com/BannersBrokerGuideStrategyHelp)).
Then you get dropkicks like Stephen Parry making comments like this:

Stephen Parry: Message from our very Honest and Humble CEO Mr Chris Smith; Hey everyone, Rajiv and I had a little legal problem and my phone was confiscated so the engine is down. Don't worry, IT is on it. We are here for the long haul!
Yesterday at 04:12 · Like

Stephen Parry: positive vibes guys
Yesterday at 04:12 · Like · 1

(POYOL/ADMINS - Can't upload images, there's no browse button in the insert image window!)

Should be fine now, Hyp.

Jason

[Hypanor]

Should be fine now, Hyp.

Jason

Yep cheers

Interesting...

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[Brenda]

Yep cheers

Interesting...

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USA number 2!! and they don't even operate in the states (!)

[Poyol]

Banners Broker is ranked 92nd in Russia for traffic.

See below for the rank of Banners Broker in different countries, exceedingly high you'll agree!

Bannersbroker.com’s Regional Traffic Ranks
Country Rank
Latvia 50
Kazakhstan 60
Portugal 65
Pakistan 66
Ukraine 80
Ireland 88
Russia 92
Lithuania 147
New Zealand 156
Poland 166
Australia 192
Israel 195
Belgium 213
Czech Republic 237
Belarus 252
United Kingdom 290
Denmark 342
South Africa 355
Hungary 389
Nigeria 408
Azerbaijan 420
Thailand 538
Netherlands 584
Italy 623
Sweden 670
South Korea 770
Saudi Arabia 843
Brazil 929
Canada 1,254
India 1,295
United States 1,308
Germany 1,457
Spain 1,628
China 10,206

[Hypanor]

Saudi Arabia, jeepers imagine if they got their hands on oil money.
Although in Saudi, thieves have a habit of having their hands cut off.

[Poyol]

New(?) Archived web cache:

BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20101114165546/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20101230190435/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20110208070238/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20110625204358/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20111222125952/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
Bannersbroker - Under maintenance (http://web.archive.org/web/20120411042534/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)

To the modern:

BannersBroker (http://web.archive.org/web/20130115040031/http://bannersbroker.com/)

I thought it was Kul who was the ONLY ONE who was portraying Banners Broker wrongly? (!)

[Jerrygo]

Thought all the shills had gone to ground. 1 over on Bannersbroker.com - Is Banners Broker Down Right Now? (http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/bannersbroker.com.html). Again no argueing with logic. Just the usual "I put in $145, and have taken out $10,000) Its like saying "its the blind network" Simply a mantra that you are supposed to just accept.

[Hypanor]

Sounds like Iain Milns of Norwich (http://www.facebook.com/iain.milns) has a bit of a downline! And is a bit of an idiot if he thinks he knows about online advertising.

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[Joe_Shmoe]

Sounds like Iain Milns of Norwich (http://www.facebook.com/iain.milns) has a bit of a downline! And is a bit of an idiot if he thinks he knows about online advertising.

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I know there is a lot of competition out there but I'm voting for Iain Milns of Norwich (http://www.facebook.com/iain.milns) in the >----{IDIOT OF THE YEAR AWARDS 2013 }----<

[Jerrygo]

There was a young guy on there from Cambodia. Just wanted to get his money back. "I invest $700 we are poor so $700 is big for us" Probably has his family savings in it.
It would make you sick.

[Poyol]

New(?) Archived web cache:

BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20101114165546/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20101230190435/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20110208070238/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20110625204358/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20111222125952/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
Bannersbroker - Under maintenance (http://web.archive.org/web/20120411042534/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)

To the modern:

BannersBroker (http://web.archive.org/web/20130115040031/http://bannersbroker.com/)

I thought it was Kul who was the ONLY ONE who was portraying Banners Broker wrongly? (!)

Have these been seen?

Jason

[Brenda]

There was a young guy on there from Cambodia. Just wanted to get his money back. "I invest $700 we are poor so $700 is big for us" Probably has his family savings in it.
It would make you sick.

Yes, I read those posts too. It didn't seem right to 'like' your comment, suffice to say I agree, it would make you sick/

[ribshaw]

There was a young guy on there from Cambodia. Just wanted to get his money back. "I invest $700 we are poor so $700 is big for us" Probably has his family savings in it.
It would make you sick.

The thing that struck me is he was claiming that he was still getting people on the phone. Comparing that with the rest of the Banners Broker world where everyone goes to voice mail.
This further confirms that BB knows exactly what they are doing when it comes to the illusion of opportunity at the very time they are stealing from those who can least afford to lose.

To paraphrase Louis CK, I hope these scammers are tossed off a tall building only to have Superman swoop in at the last minute, fly them back up and drop them again from even higher!

[Newto]

Someone posted this on Finch Sells:

"...As for David Hooker being the “Director of Compliance and Business Development”, that’s like Adolf Hitler being the “Director of Housing and Urban Development at Auschwitz."

Had to do CP

[Joe_Shmoe]

BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20101114165546/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20101230190435/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20110208070238/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20110625204358/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
BANNERS BROKER (http://web.archive.org/web/20111222125952/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)
Bannersbroker - Under maintenance (http://web.archive.org/web/20120411042534/http://www.bannersbroker.com/)

To the modern:

BannersBroker (http://web.archive.org/web/20130115040031/http://bannersbroker.com/)


Have these been seen?

Jason


Have now. Some nice evidence right there :RpS_smile:

[Newto]

The thing that struck me is he was claiming that he was still getting people on the phone. Comparing that with the rest of the Banners Broker world where everyone goes to voice mail..

In Portugal they also still answer. I tried today. But of course they have nothing more to say but be patient...the panels move in the background...we are working on it...

[Douglasdog]

Damn! I've been banned from TalkingBB just as I was having such a laugh at he cringeworthy support those brainwashed investors are posting.
On a mor serious note, I've tried reporting BB to action fraud but the site throws up an error after I've typed in the security code.

[HARRISON]

Damn! I've been banned from TalkingBB just as I was having such a laugh at he cringeworthy support those brainwashed investors are posting.
On a mor serious note, I've tried reporting BB to action fraud but the site throws up an error after I've typed in the security code.

...is there no phone number listed?

[Della Cate]

Hey folks, guess what?

Just checked the old "Is it down right now" website (some great postings there too) and it says that ....

BB is DOWN again!

What a surprise.

You know, if they can keep crashing their server, or whatever it is they do, for a couple of more days, we will be up to the Easter break. So that would be an excuse to close their offices (or the phone box or indeed cardboard box out of which they operate). That would give them a few more days for nothing to happen. Meanwhile, the daftest affiliates keep on "keeping the faith" and slamming each other if they are "negative". While all this is happening where, I wonder, are Raj, Chris, Terry/David, Lorenzo (?) etc?

Maybe they are all out with the Easter Bunny, delivering shiny Mercedes panels to all the good little affiliates??

It's getting quite boring now, seems pretty predictable that panels won't move and the website will be down, but at the same time there is a horrified fascination in all this.

[HARRISON]

Hey folks, guess what?

Just checked the old "Is it down right now" website (some great postings there too) and it says that ....

BB is DOWN again!

What a surprise.

You know, if they can keep crashing their server, or whatever it is they do, for a couple of more days, we will be up to the Easter break. So that would be an excuse to close their offices (or the phone box or indeed cardboard box out of which they operate). That would give them a few more days for nothing to happen. Meanwhile, the daftest affiliates keep on "keeping the faith" and slamming each other if they are "negative". While all this is happening where, I wonder, are Raj, Chris, Terry/David, Lorenzo (?) etc?

Maybe they are all out with the Easter Bunny, delivering shiny Mercedes panels to all the good little affiliates??

It's getting quite boring now, seems pretty predictable that panels won't move and the website will be down, but at the same time there is a horrified fascination in all this.

Hey Della....site is up for me? But, can someone please explain about those BLUE panels. What does it mean when they are low/high?

[Theseus]

Hey folks, guess what?

Just checked the old "Is it down right now" website (some great postings there too) and it says that ....

BB is DOWN again!

What a surprise.

You know, if they can keep crashing their server, or whatever it is they do, for a couple of more days, we will be up to the Easter break. So that would be an excuse to close their offices (or the phone box or indeed cardboard box out of which they operate). That would give them a few more days for nothing to happen. Meanwhile, the daftest affiliates keep on "keeping the faith" and slamming each other if they are "negative". While all this is happening where, I wonder, are Raj, Chris, Terry/David, Lorenzo (?) etc?

Maybe they are all out with the Easter Bunny, delivering shiny Mercedes panels to all the good little affiliates??

It's getting quite boring now, seems pretty predictable that panels won't move and the website will be down, but at the same time there is a horrified fascination in all this.

Just in case he suddenly comes to his senses and realises he shouldn't be boasting about having stolen so much money and so tries to remove all traces of his foolish boasts....

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we'll keep a copy here for any nice law enforcement people who come looking... :RpS_wink:

[Della Cate]

Hey Della....site is up for me? But, can someone please explain about those BLUE panels. What does it mean when they are low/high?

Nope, checked IIDRN site again and they say it is still down. When I try to go to the BB site I get "502 bad gateway". I have no idea what that means. I don't think the problem is my computer as I can get everywhere else I want to go on t'internet.

Is this the same for others?

[Newto]

Is this the same for others?

Same for me: 504 Gateway Time-out

[Joe_Shmoe]

Server at 7:30 tonight seems to be in US Chicago Illinois Arlington Heights. IP Address: 66.252.27.25

Now I know why the TalkingBB/Adverts Galore faithful seem to go on about the engine, it does seem fast.

Canada, New Jersey, Back to Canada Back to New Jersey then on to Chicago in just a few days. That's a pretty damn fast server engine.


Route
- #1: 2.5 ms
IP Address: ***.***.***.***
- #2: N/A
- #3: 32.8 ms

Time Zone: Europe/London
- #4: 99.4 ms
IP Address: 84.38.37.96
Hostname: ip-84-38-37-96.easynet.co.uk (http://ip-84-38-37-96.easynet.co.uk/)
Country Name: United Kingdom
Country Code: GB
Time Zone: Europe/London
- #5: 32.2 ms
IP Address: 83.231.221.45 (tel:83.231.221.45)
Hostname: ae-3.r02.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net (http://ae-3.r02.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net/)
AS Number: AS2914
AS Name: NTT America, Inc.
Country Name: United Kingdom
Country Code: GB
Time Zone: Europe/London
Region: London
City: London
Latitude: 51.514
Longitude: -0.093
- #6: 33.9 ms
IP Address: 129.250.5.24
Hostname: ae-4.r22.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net (http://ae-4.r22.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net/)
AS Number: AS2914
AS Name: NTT America, Inc.
Country Name: United States
Country Code: US
Time Zone: America/Denver
Region: Colorado
City: Englewood
Latitude: 39.624
Longitude: -104.874
- #7: 102.9 ms
IP Address: 129.250.3.254
Hostname: as-0.r22.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (http://as-0.r22.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net/)
AS Number: AS2914
AS Name: NTT America, Inc.
Country Name: United States
Country Code: US
Time Zone: America/Denver
Region: Colorado
City: Englewood
Latitude: 39.624
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IP Address: 129.250.3.73
Hostname: ae-0.r23.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (http://ae-0.r23.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net/)
AS Number: AS2914
AS Name: NTT America, Inc.
Country Name: United States
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City: Englewood
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IP Address: 129.250.2.9
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AS Number: AS2914
AS Name: NTT America, Inc.
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IP Address: 129.250.3.55
Hostname: ae-2.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (http://ae-2.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net/)
AS Number: AS2914
AS Name: NTT America, Inc.
Country Name: United States
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City: Englewood
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IP Address: 129.250.5.70
Hostname: ae-2.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (http://ae-2.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net/)
AS Number: AS2914
AS Name: NTT America, Inc.
Country Name: United States
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Time Zone: America/Denver
Region: Colorado
City: Englewood
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IP Address: 69.31.127.174
Hostname: ae15.ar1.lax1.us.nlayer.net (http://ae15.ar1.lax1.us.nlayer.net/)
AS Number: AS4436
AS Name: nLayer Communications, Inc.
Country Name: United States
Country Code: US
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Region: Illinois
City: Chicago
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[Joe_Shmoe]

The much traveled server Seems to be here somewhere


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[ribshaw]

The much traveled server Seems to be here somewhere


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I bet it is in the Penske truck, it is the only way they could complete the server upgrade while moving locations so frequently.

[Tomas]

Just in case he suddenly comes to his senses and realises he shouldn't be boasting about having stolen so much money and so tries to remove all traces of his foolish boasts....

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we'll keep a copy here for any nice law enforcement people who come looking... :RpS_wink:

Thanks for this... Hmmm I put 1200 dollars and after year barely made 800 in profit rushing them MANY times with delayed payments so he must have hundreds of "affiliates"(idiots like myself) and do not know why he is so proud... madness.

His over 700% in profit only PROOFS that BB MUST be HYIP, MUST BE!

BTW 21:47 in The UK and BB website gives:
502 Bad Gateway
nginx

Must be the panels overloading the CPU on shared mobile server.... :)

Cheers,
Tomas

[Eponymous]

The server has been moved to the blind network to thwart you all. It's moving around in cyberspace edging up panels all over the planet.

[Della Cate]

Meanwhile, over on "Is it down right now" we have this:-

Fact: In the US you can withdraw from Payza at the moment but you can not deposit via Payza. If BB is a ponzi they would allow all payments from any processor.

Fact: Those that post negativity is due to some underlying agenda. They are gaining something from spending all their time disrupting a business.

Fact: members that are getting paid are not just the big guys. I personally know several that have no referrals that have been paid in the last 45 days. Many can show this is true.

Fact: Those that have been waiting on payments for the 3+ months lack the ability to read. If they opened up their withdrawal log they would see the reason why they were not paid. Odds on they had a negative balance.

I have seen several instances of people not getting paid because they withdraw to zero and by the time the request was about to be processed they were negative. The problem has been fixed going forward. It is a proactive measure to ensure that BB does not carry debt. $32 Million in negative accounts. Do the math a large majority of people have been getting interest free loans for almost a year now. Everyone knows the fees involved. If they can't read they should not be involved in this business or any other business.

Fact: Sales credits were cut in half for approximately 3 months maybe longer. With the release of version 2.9 members now receive 1/2 sales credit again along with multiple ways to earn traffic without cost and without recruiting. Ponzi's do not make changes like this. It would have stayed at 1/4 in order for its members to pay more.

Fact: Organic traffic works. Many people including myself receive traffic into our Organic banks all the time. If it was all about members paying more this option would not be available.

Fact:Incentive traffic works. Article incentives give 1,250 traffic for each article. Last set of credits were done today. Current approx wait time 5-7 days to see those credits. It goes right into your incentive bank and you choose where you want to assign it.Again if the program was a ponzi/scam BB would not give members the opportunity to qualify any panels without paying for traffic packs or recruiting.

Fact: Ponzis do not make constant changes in order to allow members to spend less.Yet in the last 6 months they have created organic traffic and Incentive traffic. If it was all about getting more new members organic and incentive traffic would never be implemented.

Fact:Members were lied to by their sponsor at no time since I have seen Banners Broker have I ever seen anywhere in the last year any statements about an investment, doubling your money, or anything else regarding earning ridiculous amounts of money posted on their website. If any member read anything else. They lack the ability to read period. All members should do their due diligence prior and not blame due to the lack of understanding about a business model.

If you can not read you should not be posting negativity regarding your inability to read and comprehend what terms and conditions are. There has never been a guarantee of any type regarding a specific time a panel will take to complete or that through bad management of your own account you are paying more in fees then you make. Again nobody has ever held a gun to anyone's head and said you must buy traffic packs and you must purchase more then you need.

Fact:There is no major advertising company that would do business with any business that is illegal, false or deceptive. Yet BB has another coming on board and possibly a third. In order for any advertising company to interlink their system with another system they need facts. Large businesses do not interlink technology, platforms, propriety systems, or provide sensitive data to scams.

Fact: Tara and Joseph can not prove any any way shape or form that BB is a ponzi or that it is a scam, There are no facts presented to support any accusations and claims. There is no proof that the trading platform does not exist if there is please provide proof so your claim can be substantiated. Also provide a detailed risk management assessment of the company including their products, costs, payouts, external revenue sources etc... something along the lines of the Monte Carlo Simulation that can provide evidence that their business model is not viable since the launch of version 2.0 and that the only way the company earns income is from recruiting.

Also is the evidence you have gathered from blogs etc... where people hide their real names or promote obvious scams your only source of evidence. Will this information be allowed by a court of law as a reliable source of information. Will you be willing to accept the consequence and accept the punishment if Banners Broker can prove there business is viable, provide evidence of why payments are delayed and willing to accept any court judgements and in turn sue you for damages if you are proved wrong?

I believe in facts and real evidence and so far no one has substantiated any claims with verifiable proof. I did my due diligence before I joined BB during version 2.0. I have no knowledge of any version prior and honestly I don't care and have no right to say anything about the old system. The company I joined has been honest with me. Answered my support tickets, addressed my concerns and up until the mastercard issue which was caused by bloggers of negativity paid me in a reasonable time. I don't blame BB for the issues I blame the negativity cult that has nothing better to do then damage the reputation of a good business.

OK, sweetie. I've read your posting. I'm curious. I would really appreciate proof from you of some of these "facts" that you have posted:-

- the names of the"three major advertisers" who are coming on board with BB;
- proof that it was only "negative bloggers" who caused Mastercard to sever all connection (via Vector ) with BB;
- proof that those people who have not been paid have definitely, conclusively got a negative balance in their e-wallet;
- proof that those people waiting for 3+ months for payment lack the ability to read;
- that those who make negative comments do indeed have some underlying cause that is other than been wholly p*ssed off with the performance of BB[
- the "obvious scams" that people with (presumably anti BB) blogs are promoting.

I could go on but I'm a bit tired. Answers welcome!
?

[noname999]

I only read the first one. i can't be bothered reading any more from someone who doesn't know the meaning of the word 'fact'. You shouldn't waste your time either Della.

By the way, Damian. I know you are reading. You are one of two things, a complete idiot, or a real scumbag, which is it?

[littleroundman]

Gee, Brenda, don't you know ANYTHING ??

In HYIPponziland, the fact someone pretending to be from a pretend company says something online makes it a "fact"

Throw in the old "fill your (extra long) post with enough "facts" and nobody will dispute each and every fact" HYIP ponzi pimp strategy and you will see exactly what's going on.

[wakeupandsmelltheroses]

I'm beginning to think this is turning into a John le Carre novel!? here a quote or 2 from one of my favorite books - tinker tailor soldier spy which i think are apt or the occasion:

“By repetition, each lie becomes an irreversible fact upon which other lies are constructed.”
or how about
“The monstrosity of this, reaching Smiley through a thickening wall of spiritual exhaustion, left him momentarily speechless.”
(!)

[baylee]

I only read the first one. i can't be bothered reading any more from someone who doesn't know the meaning of the word 'fact'. You shouldn't waste your time either Della.

By the way, Damian. I know you are reading. You are one of two things, a complete idiot, or a real scumbag, which is it?

LOL, I know which one I vote for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hypanor]

Ok well if we're quoting stuff now, then I like this little extract that I was listening to yesterday - I'm guessing many of you will know which famous album this is off (hint - Pink Floyd)

The evidence before the court is
Incontrovertible, there's no need for
The jury to retire.
In all my years of judging
I have never heard before
Of someone more deserving
Of the full penalty of law.
The way you made them suffer,
Your exquisite wife and mother,
Fills me with the urge to defecate!

[Hypanor]

I only read the first one. i can't be bothered reading any more from someone who doesn't know the meaning of the word 'fact'. You shouldn't waste your time either Della.

By the way, Damian. I know you are reading. You are one of two things, a complete idiot, or a real scumbag, which is it?

One of two things? I was going with both!

[samuel.r]

I believe with softlayer you have a choice of point-of-presence.

So today my server can be in Chicago, tomorrow in Amsterdam and Monday in Miami if I want.

Someone is trying hard not to have a nexus in any one location.

[littleroundman]

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9136/kailo.jpg

Post #1513 (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5146810&postcount=1513) and Post #1514 (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5148268&postcount=1514) on the Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum

[ribshaw]

There is no helping some people, I have been following the posts over at Bannersbroker.com - Is Banners Broker Down Right Now? (http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/bannersbroker.com.html) and after a page an a half of back and forth someone asks if his packets are not moving because the site is down.:crazy: Some of these folks must really have an aversion to holding on to their money.

[bannersbrokerhelpme]

These panels are crazy someone told me today they had the had a dream last night about the panels

Now people are having dreams or you can call them nightmares - not getting paid, panels stop, site down

You should have panel insurance if it does not move we can claim - Lol

I might ring up my local car insurance provider and ask if i can get some cover for panel movement..i might be able to ask if I can claim when the server crashed or loss of earnings...now this could get interesting.

[AshKen1]

I believe with softlayer you have a choice of point-of-presence.

So today my server can be in Chicago, tomorrow in Amsterdam and Monday in Miami if I want.

Someone is trying hard not to have a nexus in any one location.

What a surprise this isn't.

How many normal businesses behave in this fashion? Does anyone know? I would guess not many.

[Tomas]

Meanwhile, over on "Is it down right now" we have this:-

Fact: In the US you can withdraw from Payza at the moment but you can not deposit via Payza. If BB is a ponzi they would allow all payments from any processor.

Fact: Those that post negativity is due to some underlying agenda. They are gaining something from spending all their time disrupting a business.

Fact: members that are getting paid are not just the big guys. I personally know several that have no referrals that have been paid in the last 45 days. Many can show this is true.

Fact: Those that have been waiting on payments for the 3+ months lack the ability to read. If they opened up their withdrawal log they would see the reason why they were not paid. Odds on they had a negative balance.

I have seen several instances of people not getting paid because they withdraw to zero and by the time the request was about to be processed they were negative. The problem has been fixed going forward. It is a proactive measure to ensure that BB does not carry debt. $32 Million in negative accounts. Do the math a large majority of people have been getting interest free loans for almost a year now. Everyone knows the fees involved. If they can't read they should not be involved in this business or any other business.

Fact: Sales credits were cut in half for approximately 3 months maybe longer. With the release of version 2.9 members now receive 1/2 sales credit again along with multiple ways to earn traffic without cost and without recruiting. Ponzi's do not make changes like this. It would have stayed at 1/4 in order for its members to pay more.

Fact: Organic traffic works. Many people including myself receive traffic into our Organic banks all the time. If it was all about members paying more this option would not be available.

Fact:Incentive traffic works. Article incentives give 1,250 traffic for each article. Last set of credits were done today. Current approx wait time 5-7 days to see those credits. It goes right into your incentive bank and you choose where you want to assign it.Again if the program was a ponzi/scam BB would not give members the opportunity to qualify any panels without paying for traffic packs or recruiting.

Fact: Ponzis do not make constant changes in order to allow members to spend less.Yet in the last 6 months they have created organic traffic and Incentive traffic. If it was all about getting more new members organic and incentive traffic would never be implemented.

Fact:Members were lied to by their sponsor at no time since I have seen Banners Broker have I ever seen anywhere in the last year any statements about an investment, doubling your money, or anything else regarding earning ridiculous amounts of money posted on their website. If any member read anything else. They lack the ability to read period. All members should do their due diligence prior and not blame due to the lack of understanding about a business model.

If you can not read you should not be posting negativity regarding your inability to read and comprehend what terms and conditions are. There has never been a guarantee of any type regarding a specific time a panel will take to complete or that through bad management of your own account you are paying more in fees then you make. Again nobody has ever held a gun to anyone's head and said you must buy traffic packs and you must purchase more then you need.

Fact:There is no major advertising company that would do business with any business that is illegal, false or deceptive. Yet BB has another coming on board and possibly a third. In order for any advertising company to interlink their system with another system they need facts. Large businesses do not interlink technology, platforms, propriety systems, or provide sensitive data to scams.

Fact: Tara and Joseph can not prove any any way shape or form that BB is a ponzi or that it is a scam, There are no facts presented to support any accusations and claims. There is no proof that the trading platform does not exist if there is please provide proof so your claim can be substantiated. Also provide a detailed risk management assessment of the company including their products, costs, payouts, external revenue sources etc... something along the lines of the Monte Carlo Simulation that can provide evidence that their business model is not viable since the launch of version 2.0 and that the only way the company earns income is from recruiting.

Also is the evidence you have gathered from blogs etc... where people hide their real names or promote obvious scams your only source of evidence. Will this information be allowed by a court of law as a reliable source of information. Will you be willing to accept the consequence and accept the punishment if Banners Broker can prove there business is viable, provide evidence of why payments are delayed and willing to accept any court judgements and in turn sue you for damages if you are proved wrong?

I believe in facts and real evidence and so far no one has substantiated any claims with verifiable proof. I did my due diligence before I joined BB during version 2.0. I have no knowledge of any version prior and honestly I don't care and have no right to say anything about the old system. The company I joined has been honest with me. Answered my support tickets, addressed my concerns and up until the mastercard issue which was caused by bloggers of negativity paid me in a reasonable time. I don't blame BB for the issues I blame the negativity cult that has nothing better to do then damage the reputation of a good business.

OK, sweetie. I've read your posting. I'm curious. I would really appreciate proof from you of some of these "facts" that you have posted:-

- the names of the"three major advertisers" who are coming on board with BB;
- proof that it was only "negative bloggers" who caused Mastercard to sever all connection (via Vector ) with BB;
- proof that those people who have not been paid have definitely, conclusively got a negative balance in their e-wallet;
- proof that those people waiting for 3+ months for payment lack the ability to read;
- that those who make negative comments do indeed have some underlying cause that is other than been wholly p*ssed off with the performance of BB[
- the "obvious scams" that people with (presumably anti BB) blogs are promoting.

I could go on but I'm a bit tired. Answers welcome!
?

FACT:
700-1000% in profit for TOP "guys and girls" means pyramid scheme.
Which REAL business gives You more than 10-20% in a year??????? Yes - Banners Broker and other HYIP programs.

Cheers,
Tomas

[NikSam]

Server at 7:30 tonight seems to be in US Chicago Illinois Arlington Heights. IP Address: 66.252.27.25

Now I know why the TalkingBB/Adverts Galore faithful seem to go on about the engine, it does seem fast.

Canada, New Jersey, Back to Canada Back to New Jersey then on to Chicago in just a few days. That's a pretty damn fast server engine.


Whoever complained to to Softlayer - it worked.
If you want now can complain to Contact us at GigeNET for all your Hosting Server Solutions by Gigenet (http://www.gigenet.com/information-center/contact-us/)

[Poyol]

Whoever complained to to Softlayer - it worked.
If you want now can complain to Contact us at GigeNET for all your Hosting Server Solutions by Gigenet (http://www.gigenet.com/information-center/contact-us/)

This make me happy.

NEXT!

Jason

[NikSam]

Also Matthew Lynn (see more (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index412.html#post49666)) was changed to Chris Smith
on block of 6 IP addresses BB leased from Softlayer


inetnum: 5.153.2.112 - 5.153.2.119
netname: NETBLK-SOFTLAYER-RIPE-CUST-ML14685-RIPE
descr: Banners Broker
country: CA
admin-c: CS10185-RIPE
tech-c: CS10185-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by: MAINT-SOFTLAYER-RIPE
source: RIPE # Filtered

person: Chris Smith
address: 1019 Nelson St. Unit 8 Oshawa, ON CA L1H 8A7
phone: +1.866.398.7638
nic-hdl: CS10185-RIPE
mnt-by: MAINT-SOFTLAYER-RIPE
source: RIPE # Filtered
abuse-mailbox: csmith@bannersbroker.com

[Poyol]

This make me happy.

NEXT!

Jason

GigeNET have been advised.
Let's see what happens.

[Newto]

According to w3snoop (bannersbroker.com (http://bannersbroker.com.w3snoop.com/)) BB has a daily earnings of $3,981,078 USD (Facebook in comparison $4,155,126 USD) Dont know if data on that site are correct but it seems BB is faring very well.

Could someone enlighten us non technys if this is significant.

[Beethoven]

"abuse-mailbox: csmith@bannersbroker.com"




^^OMG The sheer irony^^ :RpS_wink:

[Poyol]

According to w3snoop (bannersbroker.com (http://bannersbroker.com.w3snoop.com/)) BB has a daily earnings of $3,981,078 USD (Facebook in comparison $4,155,126 USD) Dont know if data on that site are correct but it seems BB is faring very well.

Could someone enlighten us non technys if this is significant.

What a load of rubbish.

Realscam.com which has NO adverts or revenue generating goals result is below:

3463

The revenue result is due to estimated traffic and estimated advert clicks.

Jason

[NikSam]

Another interesting block of 2 IP addresses leased by Matthew Lynn from SoftLayer and geolocation tag says China



inetnum: 5.153.20.24 - 5.153.20.27
netname: NETBLK-SOFTLAYER-RIPE-CUST-ML14685-RIPE
descr: Banners Broker
country: CA
admin-c: ML14685-RIPE
tech-c: ML14685-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by: MAINT-SOFTLAYER-RIPE
source: RIPE # Filtered

person: Matthew Lynn
address: 1019 Nelson St. Unit 8 Oshawa, ON CA L1H 8A7
phone: +1.866.398.7638
mnt-by: MAINT-SOFTLAYER-RIPE
nic-hdl: ML14685-RIPE
abuse-mailbox: mlynn@bannersbroker.com
source: RIPE # Filtered



https://stat.ripe.net/5.153.20.24%20-%205.153.20.27?sourceapp=ripedb#tabId=at-a-glance

3464

And look what is siting here : http://5.153.20.26/ :)

[Hypanor]

Also Matthew Lynn (see more (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index412.html#post49666)) was changed to Chris Smith
on block of 6 IP addresses BB leased from Softlayer



Another interesting block of 2 IP addresses leased by Matthew Lynn from SoftLayer and geolocation tag says China


Thats 8 IP's and 4 IP's - include the first and last numbers of the block.

4 is an odd number, normally you have to take singles of blocks of 8.
I'm curious to know why they need multiple IP's, that usually for different servers doing different jobs (whatever that job may be).

[NikSam]

Thats 8 IP's and 4 IP's - include the first and last numbers of the block.

4 is an odd number, normally you have to take singles of blocks of 8.
I'm curious to know why they need multiple IP's, that usually for different servers doing different jobs (whatever that job may be).

I will explain: from 8 IPs block, only 6 are useable first is what is called network address, last is what is called broadcast address, to segment a network you have to waste 2 IPs per segment
same from 4 ip block, only 2 are useable.

So don't accuse me being bad on math :)

[littleroundman]

I'm curious to know why they need multiple IP's, that usually for different servers doing different jobs (whatever that job may be).

To trick more people into believing there's some sort of multi billion dollar advertising company behind the I.P.s

We're talking millions of dollars the criminals behind Banners Broker have passed through their accounts.

What's a few hundred dollars renting a handful of I.P. numbers for a few weeks ??

[Hypanor]

I will explain:

Yes I know that, but you said leased - they have actually taken 8 and 4... but semantics and doesn't make any difference in the scheme of things...

[NikSam]

Yes I know that, but you said leased - they have actually taken 8 and 4... but semantics and doesn't make any difference in the scheme of things...

If I said that they leased /30 and /29 networks it would not make sense to most people here, so i used the number of useable IPs = servers you can hookup there. (corresponding 2 and 6 IPs)

[Poyol]

No point in bickering over the semantics of IP leasing!

Let's sweep that under the rug and say 'they have lots of unnecessary IP addresses'

Jason

[Mundorf]

What a surprise this isn't.

How many normal businesses behave in this fashion? Does anyone know? I would guess not many.

Ha,right....and what to do with all virtual money members see in back office? - Le papier ne sera jamais mort / Paper is not dead on influencia.net ! on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/61275290) :RpS_flapper:

[samuel.r]

Back on page 200 and something, I believe Julie found that Chris Smith was an employee of DonRiver at one point in time. This morning, I was trying to enhance my career so I (of course) went right to stteps.com.

Interesting, I found this page:

Stteps - Technology, Trends, Teamwork (http://stteps.com/nextmeeting.php)

Note near the bottom "Presented by Stellarpoint and Donriver". So not only did Chris work there but it looks like DonRiver is partnered now with Stellarpoint at least on part of the scam activities.

[Jerrygo]

Lol yes. And a widget at bottom of page leading to
Online Contextual Advertising and Behavioral Marketing Service for Advertisers and Webmasters (http://publisher.bannersbroker.com/widget/view_all.php?nid=1022&sid=164&pid=1)





Back on page 200 and something, I believe Julie found that Chris Smith was an employee of DonRiver at one point in time. This morning, I was trying to enhance my career so I (of course) went right to stteps.com.

Interesting, I found this page:

Stteps - Technology, Trends, Teamwork (http://stteps.com/nextmeeting.php)

Note near the bottom "Presented by Stellarpoint and Donriver". So not only did Chris work there but it looks like DonRiver is partnered now with Stellarpoint at least on part of the scam activities.

[Jerrygo]

on that page in among the usual bb sites, 150cash.com , 50cheaprecipies.com etc. There is www.probux.com. following that link brings you to a site purporting to pay you for clicking on ads!!
and a google throws up this investigation page. ProBux (probux.com) - Is it a Scam or Legit? | Not Recommended (http://www.ptc-investigation.com/probux.aspx)
Strange bedfellows.

[Brenda]

Back on page 200 and something, I believe Julie found that Chris Smith was an employee of DonRiver at one point in time. This morning, I was trying to enhance my career so I (of course) went right to stteps.com.

Interesting, I found this page:

Stteps - Technology, Trends, Teamwork (http://stteps.com/nextmeeting.php)

Note near the bottom "Presented by Stellarpoint and Donriver". So not only did Chris work there but it looks like DonRiver is partnered now with Stellarpoint at least on part of the scam activities.

When I googled Stellarpoint ( strangely all one word now?) and Donriver got this

Alberto Mori - Canada | LinkedIn (http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/alberto-mori/62/504/625)

is this a p*sstake?

[Brenda]

No point in bickering over the semantics of IP leasing!

Let's sweep that under the rug and say 'they have lots of unnecessary IP addresses'

Jason

Could any of these 'spare' IP addresses be required for any of the other websites they claim to work FOR under the SP guise like that bazunga (sp) and Dr Dre headphone site?

[Ken Roklin]

These panels are crazy someone told me today they had the had a dream last night about the panels

Now people are having dreams or you can call them nightmares - not getting paid, panels stop, site down

You should have panel insurance if it does not move we can claim - Lol

I might ring up my local car insurance provider and ask if i can get some cover for panel movement..i might be able to ask if I can claim when the server crashed or loss of earnings...now this could get interesting.

You just gave me an idea. I think I just might start up such an insurance company. I'll call it "Scam Insurance Inc.". For a minimum of $50/m I'll insure any member of a "get-rich-quick business" a return of their initial investment if lost due to a list of items such as servers being down more than 5 times a day, owners not knowing they are running a Ponzi scheme, failure to recruit more than ten people, etc. Then I will recruit people to recruit people to recruit people to sell these policies. There must be a million MLMers out there willing to send me a mere $50/ month to know they won't lose their investment in scam companies such as BB.

[Ken Roklin]

Also Matthew Lynn (see more (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index412.html#post49666)) was changed to Chris Smith
on block of 6 IP addresses BB leased from Softlayer


inetnum: 5.153.2.112 - 5.153.2.119
netname: NETBLK-SOFTLAYER-RIPE-CUST-ML14685-RIPE
descr: Banners Broker
country: CA
admin-c: CS10185-RIPE
tech-c: CS10185-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by: MAINT-SOFTLAYER-RIPE
source: RIPE # Filtered

person: Chris Smith
address: 1019 Nelson St. Unit 8 Oshawa, ON CA L1H 8A7
phone: +1.866.398.7638
nic-hdl: CS10185-RIPE
mnt-by: MAINT-SOFTLAYER-RIPE
source: RIPE # Filtered
abuse-mailbox: csmith@bannersbroker.com



That's funny, the address used 1019 Neslon St., Unit 8 looks like the old address of Stellar Point, above a car wreckers shop. Google the address and you can see the shop.

[Poyol]

When I googled Stellarpoint ( strangely all one word now?) and Donriver got this

Alberto Mori - Canada | LinkedIn (http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/alberto-mori/62/504/625)

is this a p*sstake?

It is, Brenda.
That's one of our very own RS members.

Jason

[Dreamstealer]

You just gave me an idea. I think I just might start up such an insurance company. I'll call it "Scam Insurance Inc.". For a minimum of $50/m I'll insure any member of a "get-rich-quick business" a return of their initial investment if lost due to a list of items such as servers being down more than 5 times a day, owners not knowing they are running a Ponzi scheme, failure to recruit more than ten people, etc. Then I will recruit people to recruit people to recruit people to sell these policies. There must be a million MLMers out there willing to send me a mere $50/ month to know they won't lose their investment in scam companies such as BB.
Genius at work!

[Gregg]

Genius at work!


No, the genius part is when you deny the claims for months because "there is no empirical evidence this is a scam" and when law enforcement finally closes one then you finally dismiss the claim because "we cannot insure your participation in illegal activities".

Quick, someone get Len Clements or Phil Piccolo on the line!

[Brenda]

It is, Brenda.
That's one of our very own RS members.

Jason

LOL !!!! No one tells me anything haha. On the upside, at least I can see a p take when I see one. Oh man, feel silly now

[NikSam]

Meet Ryan Smith
Stellar Point and BannersBroker media design guru
Ryan Smith Motion Design Reel 2013 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/60418455)
Ryan Smith - Canada | LinkedIn (http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/ryan-smith/27/38/421)
RyanZmyth Motion Graphics T.O on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/user8990949)
Ryansmither911 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/Ryansmither911/videos?flow=grid&view=0)
Ryan Smith on Behance (http://www.behance.net/ryanzmyth)
https://www.elance.com/s/ryanzmyth/

[Theseus]

Back on page 200 and something, I believe Julie found that Chris Smith was an employee of DonRiver at one point in time. This morning, I was trying to enhance my career so I (of course) went right to stteps.com.

Interesting, I found this page:

Stteps - Technology, Trends, Teamwork (http://stteps.com/nextmeeting.php)

Note near the bottom "Presented by Stellarpoint and Donriver". So not only did Chris work there but it looks like DonRiver is partnered now with Stellarpoint at least on part of the scam activities.

Not only did "Chris Smith" work there, he was still writing a blog for them some 6 or 7 months after he started BB and well past the point where the latter was claimed to be a paying out millions every week in commission.

You'd think someone running a business that was paying out "$1 million a day" wouldn't need a second job, wouldn't you.....

[littleroundman]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/ryan1_zpsfc4871d2.jpg

[Theseus]

Meet Ryan Smith
Stellar Point and BannersBroker media design guru
Ryan Smith Motion Design Reel 2013 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/60418455)
Ryan Smith - Canada | LinkedIn (http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/ryan-smith/27/38/421)
RyanZmyth Motion Graphics T.O on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/user8990949)
Ryansmither911 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/Ryansmither911/videos?flow=grid&view=0)
Ryan Smith on Behance (http://www.behance.net/ryanzmyth)
https://www.elance.com/s/ryanzmyth/


He struck me more as someone who was going to turn up at work one day to find it all locked up and empty, rather than an SP scammer in the mould of Hood, Stern or Dixit.

[Ken Roklin]

No, the genius part is when you deny the claims for months because "there is no empirical evidence this is a scam" and when law enforcement finally closes one then you finally dismiss the claim because "we cannot insure your participation in illegal activities".

Quick, someone get Len Clements or Phil Piccolo on the line!

Well, I never even gave a thought as to actually paying someones claim "on time". By the time the people I hired to recruit people to recruit people to recruit people to investigate their claims and come back with their results I will have retired already "living the life" in my villa in a scamster friendly country.

[littleroundman]

He struck me more as someone who was going to turn up at work one day to find it all locked up and empty, rather than an SP scammer in the mould of Hood, Stern or Dixit.

That's the whole problem with being associated with a HYIP ponzi fraud.

Innocent people DO get caught up in the fraud and, by advertising their association without performing sufficient due diligence, can forever ruin their own reputation.

It's called having a "duty of care" both to themselves and to those they influence.

[Poyol]

That's the whole problem with being associated with a HYIP ponzi fraud.

Innocent people DO get caught up in the fraud and, by advertising their association without performing sufficient due diligence, can forever ruin their own reputation.

It's called having a "duty of care" both to themselves and to those they influence.

I know in the UK that most people even if they did their DD and found they were working for a scam as long as they were getting their pay cheque and able to provide for their family, they wouldn't care.

Jason

[marsh56]

For what it's worth, I was able to log in today. However there has been ZERO movement in panels and, of course, no word on payouts.

It seems BB is just buying time at this point.

Mark

[ribshaw]

For what it's worth, I was able to log in today. However there has been ZERO movement in panels and, of course, no word on payouts.

It seems BB is just buying time at this point.

Mark

Isn't there a conference call with Chris on Friday? Would like to hear what he has to say, lot of folks seem to be banking on it.

[littleroundman]

Isn't there a conference call with Chris on Friday? Would like to hear what he has to say, lot of folks seem to be banking on it.

The sad thing is, if there were to be a Friday conference call, the faithful would take it as a sign Banners Broker is back and is healthy and start sending more money.

Reading around the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums there are many posts by members pointing out Banners Broker has been offline before and always returned.

IOW, they've been primed to expect this from way back.

[ribshaw]

I think you are right LRM, one thing would be nice if someone could ask is if Chris will allow affiliates to be bought out by other affiliates. Someone had pointed out on line there are still plenty of cheerleaders and plenty of folks who want out. There would be no business reason that panels could not be sold between members. And this would certainly stop all the problems that BB is having paying people. This would allow the cheerleaders to put their money where their mouth is.

Of course I know the answer to this, but an BB affiliates on the call may want to ask for themselves.

[marsh56]

This was posted at our group and is SO funny, I had to post it here.


got this from another bb chat and D asked that I post it here. In case you do not already know about this. DDos attack is still going on XXX had to slow the access we might have Affiliates computers infected with Dos zombies attacking BB unknown to them make all your people run superantispyware

"Dos zombies"? Just when you think you have heard it all. :duh:


Mark

[Brenda]

He struck me more as someone who was going to turn up at work one day to find it all locked up and empty, rather than an SP scammer in the mould of Hood, Stern or Dixit.

if you look at the dates on Motion Graphics T.O, it would seem that he is still working, probably self employed, at that business. You'd have to give the benefit of the doubt, can imagine he was sold a pup at the interview! If he stays there past the end of the month, I think we have our answer.

[Poyol]

The sad thing is, if there were to be a Friday conference call, the faithful would take it as a sign Banners Broker is back and is healthy and start sending more money.

Reading around the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums there are many posts by members pointing out Banners Broker has been offline before and always returned.

IOW, they've been primed to expect this from way back.

:RpS_thumbsup:


I think you are right LRM, one thing would be nice if someone could ask is if Chris will allow affiliates to be bought out by other affiliates. Someone had pointed out on line there are still plenty of cheerleaders and plenty of folks who want out. There would be no business reason that panels could not be sold between members. And this would certainly stop all the problems that BB is having paying people. This would allow the cheerleaders to put their money where their mouth is.

Of course I know the answer to this, but an BB affiliates on the call may want to ask for themselves.

Of course he's right! He's LRM!

J

[NikSam]

DAS Zombie Puppen, verdammt

[Poyol]

This was posted at our group and is SO funny, I had to post it here.



"Dos zombies"? Just when you think you have heard it all. :duh:


Mark

Um, terminology is slightly wrong - but there is some fact to this.

Zombie (computer science) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_(computer_science))

Jaosn

[NikSam]

Um, terminology is slightly wrong - but there is some fact to this.

Zombie (computer science) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_(computer_science))

Jaosn

What fact? that all BB affiliates are infected as DDOS nodes against BB, what are the odds on that ?
I can only see it possible if BB gave them all some piece of software to install and attack the mothership :)

[Poyol]

What fact? that all BB affiliates are infected as DDOS nodes against BB, what are the odds on that ?
I can only see it possible if BB gave them all some piece of software to install and attack the mothership :)

No, the fact that 'zombies' is correct terminology.
The likelihood of all BB affiliates attacking BB is next to nothing.

Jason

[NikSam]

HEHE, " attacking " perhaps what BB calls affiliates login and checking if panels moved , and that crashing the hell out of BB :)

[Ken Roklin]

Isn't there a conference call with Chris on Friday? Would like to hear what he has to say, lot of folks seem to be banking on it.

I guess nobody cares that Friday is Good Friday. It will be a Good Friday for Chris and Raj (as money still keeps coming in) but I can't see it to being a Good Friday for BB members, more excuses for late payments, server issues, etc..

[Eponymous]

Do any of the links for Ryan Smith have contact details? Let's ask him a few questions about what it's like to work for "Stellar Point"....

[Poyol]

Do any of the links for Ryan Smith have contact details? Let's ask him a few questions about what it's like to work for "Stellar Point"....

No,

Even his website Ryan Smith Design (http://www.ryansmithdesign.ca) is Whois privacy protected.

Let me do some more digging.

Jason

[Poyol]

Ad Spy for Google Analytics-UA-1837333 | domaincrawler.com (http://www.domaincrawler.com/adspy/Google%20Analytics-UA-1837333)

His Google Analytics ID is associated with 11500 websites ... WOW.

Jason

[Theseus]

Meanwhile over at StellarPoint, they're still recruiting.....

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[Poyol]

Meanwhile over at StellarPoint, they're still recruiting.....

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I'd like to know where they're advertising.
And then I would suggest emailing that website AND an agency over in Canada.

Jason

[NikSam]

No,

Even his website Ryan Smith Design (http://www.ryansmithdesign.ca) is Whois privacy protected.

Let me do some more digging.

Jason

Ryan Smith Design (http://www.ryansmithdesign.ca/) is not HIM, another designer with same name

[Newto]

From some BB sites:

"March 27, 2013, 10:00 am
After a week of server maintenance, new configurations, and new hosting provider, we are happy to report that as of March 26, 7:30pm EST we are now stable! If any page does not appear to be displaying properly clear your cache and refresh your screen. Firefox is the recommended browser for the Banners Broker website."

And then:

"Hello dear BBers, please read the information below taken from Cyprus IC.
Guys we have just come off of an IC webinar with Chris & Raj, they both explained in detail the reasons behind the site being down & have confirmed this has been resolved with preventative measures.

Because of the downtime Chris & Raj have agreed to postpone changes which were due on the 1st April - these will start now on the 15th April 2013."

[Poyol]

Ryan Smith Design (http://www.ryansmithdesign.ca/) is not HIM, another designer with same name

I stand corrected.
Have you found anything else out on young Mister Smith?

I've lost my train of thought.

Jason

[AshKen1]

Allegedly the site is now back up - whether you can get in there is another matter entirely. But there are lots of glitches to sort out so people are being told not to do anything until next Wednesday! That's the 3rd of April!!!! And the masses are accepting that???

Just imagine if google said you can't use the system until next Wednesday....


:throw_computer: would be my reaction.


Nice one BB....

[wakeupandsmelltheroses]

on that page in among the usual bb sites, 150cash.com , 50cheaprecipies.com etc. There is www.probux.com. following that link brings you to a site purporting to pay you for clicking on ads!!
and a google throws up this investigation page. ProBux (probux.com) - Is it a Scam or Legit? | Not Recommended (http://www.ptc-investigation.com/probux.aspx)
Strange bedfellows.

very interesting - click on the Truste link on the above website (probux) and it shows something very telling...

[Newto]

But there are lots of glitches to sort out so people are being told not to do anything until next Wednesday! That's the 3rd of April!!!!

Who tells that where?

[NikSam]

I stand corrected.
Have you found anything else out on young Mister Smith?

I've lost my train of thought.

Jason

Yea, his skype , gmail, facebook
ryanzmyth,
ryanzmyth@gmail.com
http://www.facebook.com/ryanzmyth?fref=ts

some of his old stuff:
ryanzmyth on Funny or Die (http://www.funnyordie.com/ryanzmyth)
ryanzmyth's Channel at Metacafe (http://www.metacafe.com/channels/ryanzmyth/)
Cast Archive - Ryan Smith (http://api.cineplex.com/Movies/Cast-Archives/4355363/Ryan-Smith.aspx)

And suspecting his twitter:
https://twitter.com/ryanzmyth

[NikSam]

I stand corrected.
Have you found anything else out on young Mister Smith?

I've lost my train of thought.

Jason

Yea, his skype , gmail, facebook
ryanzmyth,
ryanzmyth@gmail.com
http://www.facebook.com/ryanzmyth?fref=ts

some of his old stuff:
ryanzmyth on Funny or Die (http://www.funnyordie.com/ryanzmyth)
ryanzmyth's Channel at Metacafe (http://www.metacafe.com/channels/ryanzmyth/)
Cast Archive - Ryan Smith (http://api.cineplex.com/Movies/Cast-Archives/4355363/Ryan-Smith.aspx)

And suspecting his twitter:
https://twitter.com/ryanzmyth

[NikSam]

twitter is his, the girl he talked on twiiter is his wife now.

[Della Cate]

Over on the official BB FB site, the true believers are shilling away:-

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Depressing, isn't it?

But immediately below, on the same site, not everyone is happy....

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[ribshaw]

Zara doesn't look like she is pulling any punches.

[Della Cate]

And over on BB Network FB page, some info...

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And over at BB FB World, an appeal for calm.....

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Get the feeling that this one may just be teetering on the brink....

[Della Cate]

Zara doesn't look like she is pulling any punches.

Yes, you wouldn't want to cross that lady!

[ribshaw]

Could you put up the links to the pages you just posted?

[Della Cate]

Could you put up the links to the pages you just posted?

http://www.facebook.com/bannersbrokernetwork?ref=ts&fref=ts

http://www.facebook.com/bannersbrokersworld?ref=ts&fref=ts

There you go (I hope)

I found them by going on Facebook, the searching for "Banners Broker". Up came many FB pages, but Banners Broker Network and Banners Broker World are the most useful that I have found so far.

[ribshaw]

Thanks Della, may see if I can join the discussion for a post or two.

[Theseus]

I'd like to know where they're advertising.
And then I would suggest emailing that website AND an agency over in Canada.

Jason

The clue's in the hashtag :RpS_wink:

[Theseus]

And over on BB Network FB page, some info...

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And over at BB FB World, an appeal for calm.....

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Get the feeling that this one may just be teetering on the brink....


Handy Raj and Chris being over in Cyprus as the Cypriot Govt need 10 billion euros, but only have 5 billion, surely the lads could "twice" it for them and save the country from disaster?

[EagleOne]

BB needs to put this disclaimer on its home page: We Are Professionals. Do Not Try This At Home.

Guys and gals, this was over when they took their 2-week hiatus over Christmas. The only thing you have happening now is the illustion of a business. They are trying to milk this for as mukch money as they fool more people into giving them before they disappear. All you have now is the winding down of the business slowly to keep people from going in mass to the authorities.

All you have to do is look at the number of payouts since they made the one big one in December, look at all the excuses they have had about the site being down, the MasterCard debacle, nothing about the new India office other than they were going to open it, and the list goes on and on.

This is nothing more than the execs of BB working out their escape plan. But here's something that would really be telling:

Make a surprise visit to the new Corporate digs in Whitby and see what you find. My guess is: no parking lot full of cars of the employee's, no 100 workers inside, no chef staffing the kitchen, and I doubt any working workstations, let alone a receptionist.

Hopefully someone lives in the area and could "drop-in" for a look-see.

[HARRISON]

BB needs to put this disclaimer on its home page: We Are Professionals. Do Not Try This At Home.

Guys and gals, this was over when they took their 2-week hiatus over Christmas. The only thing you have happening now is the illustion of a business. They are trying to milk this for as mukch money as they fool more people into giving them before they disappear. All you have now is the winding down of the business slowly to keep people from going in mass to the authorities.

All you have to do is look at the number of payouts since they made the one big one in December, look at all the excuses they have had about the site being down, the MasterCard debacle, nothing about the new India office other than they were going to open it, and the list goes on and on.

This is nothing more than the execs of BB working out their escape plan. But here's something that would really be telling:

Make a surprise visit to the new Corporate digs in Whitby and see what you find. My guess is: no parking lot full of cars of the employee's, no 100 workers inside, no chef staffing the kitchen, and I doubt any working workstations, let alone a receptionist.

Hopefully someone lives in the area and could "drop-in" for a look-see.

...and in Manchester? Someone reading this MUST live close by?

[Theseus]

...and in Manchester? Someone reading this MUST live close by?

I'll bet they do have at least some staff there. Staff who probably haven't twigged yet that they won't be receiving their first month's salary when payday comes around....

[Brenda]

I'd like to know where they're advertising.
And then I would suggest emailing that website AND an agency over in Canada.

Jason

here Jason,


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they seem to have trouble holding on to their php programmer !

[Della Cate]

Zara doesn't look like she is pulling any punches.

Zara's comments have now been removed from the BB FB site.....what a piece of luck that a screenshot is here, eh?

[NikSam]

Here is a coder Kelly Boland: Kelly Boland - Canada | LinkedIn (http://ca.linkedin.com/in/kellyboland)


Project Manager, PHP Programmer
Stellar Point Inc
November 2012 – Present




Working as a PHP programmer for projects such as dyzmedia.com/publishernetwork.com and bannersbroker.com

[Della Cate]

Well, things could be worse.

Over in La France, there was a competition advertised on the official BB France FB page.....

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I mean.....just look.....BB Polo shirts and....BB perfume!!

OMG! I wonder what that smells like...??

[HARRISON]

Thought I'd post this from FB before it gets deleted:

Hooray I can log in!!!!! only to find that my projected balance will be negative by $150 dollars thanks to panels not splitting and catch up from traffic packs......what a great investment. Can't wait to write about this.

20 minutes ago

[Della Cate]

Back on the BB official Facebook page, we now have this claim.....nearly as much traffic as Facebook itself!

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[Theseus]

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Ah, well that explains it then....



You're a f**king idiot :duh:

[Theseus]

Back on the BB official Facebook page, we now have this claim.....nearly as much traffic as Facebook itself!

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334 BILLION unique visitors?

Banners Broker - changing lives throughout the known universe

[Della Cate]

[QUOTE=Theseus;50521]3472

Ah, well that explains it then....

Well, to be scrupulously fair, there was something in the Daily Telegraph today about a DDOS attack (but it didn't mention BB):-

Web slows under 'biggest attack ever' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet-security/9957063/Web-slows-under-biggest-attack-ever.html)

[Joe_Shmoe]

3472

Ah, well that explains it then....



You're a f**king idiot :duh:

Yeah! that explains the site being down, the panels (whatever the bloody hell they are?) not moving.
The server moves but the panels don't.
The lack of anybody getting paid for months now.
Also explains moving internet hosts, Chris changing from white to black Kul and or Driscoll walking of with millions of dollars
and the whole thing starting out as a Straightline Cycler Doubler

Nice bit of luck for the guy we know as Chris, Raj, and Dave this cyber war. The BB faithful will keep drinking the Kool-Aid no doubt. :RpS_smile:

PS Nice OLD blog post here

(http://oneofakindstraightlinecyclerdoubler.blogspot.co.uk/)Straightline Cycler Doubler (http://oneofakindstraightlinecyclerdoubler.blogspot.co.uk/)

[Brenda]

[QUOTE=Theseus;50521]3472

Ah, well that explains it then....

Well, to be scrupulously fair, there was something in the Daily Telegraph today about a DDOS attack (but it didn't mention BB):-

Web slows under 'biggest attack ever' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet-security/9957063/Web-slows-under-biggest-attack-ever.html)

did a little research the other day and the only site down in Toronto that I could find on the net was a huge bank the TD Bank, site was down for 2 hours

[Theseus]

[QUOTE=Della Cate;50524]

did a little research the other day and the only site down in Toronto that I could find on the net was a huge bank the TD Bank, site was down for 2 hours

They probably don't have 334 billion people all trying to access their site though....

[Della Cate]

There's only something like 7 billion people in the World, so where's all the visitors to BB coming from...??

Mars? The Moon? Alpha Centuri?

Gosh, these people crack me up, they really do!

Message to all BB affiliates: Please put brain in gear before engaging your mouth!!!

Thank you and goodnight.

[MacPT]

I have been following this forum for some weeks now, ever since three people I met "casualy" mentioned they were into an internet advertizing business that was "amazing". I noticed most (if not all) of the red flags this "business" was showing and just with a bit of investigation was sure this was a scam.

I confronted one of them with the obvious and dubious nature of this scheme/scam and the answers I got were literally the same as everyone else who promotes BB. I have seen from conversations that these people have scammed several others thatr are gulable and have no idea in what they are getting into.

I'm from Portugal and the economy here is so bad that people are trying everything to get some money anywhere they can.

I have foud that there are three types of people investing in BB. The dishonest, who know it's a scam but dont cara as long as they get money out of it, the ones that realized that it is a scam and are losing money but are ashamed of admiting it and therefore claim it to be a good thing to try and save what they can, and the "suckers" who still havent realized they are in trouble and going to be broke soon.

Here in Portugal there is no proper agency to complain to and even if there was one, justice and courts move as slowly as the panels are moving now.

As fun I asked my "aquaintance" to show me an ad comming from BB ... still wainting now for a few days.... seems he cannot find it either.

[Theseus]

There's only something like 7 billion people in the World, so where's all the visitors to BB coming from...??

Mars? The Moon? Alpha Centuri?




Anyone gullible enough to still think BB is a real business is going to have no problem believing that Chris and Raj are also helping little green men double their money....

[laidback]

Now that you mention i
There's only something like 7 billion people in the World, so where's all the visitors to BB coming from...??

Mars? The Moon? Alpha Centuri?

Gosh, these people crack me up, they really do!

Message to all BB affiliates: Please put brain in gear before engaging your mouth!!!

Thank you and goodnight.Now that you mention it, I think I saw endorsements by John Carter, Tars Tarkas, and Jake Sully...!

[johnojohno]

Now that you mention it, I think I saw endorsements by John Carter, Tars Tarkas, and Jake Sully...!

Didn't Han Solo win the millenium falcon at the Tatooine convention?

[Hypanor]

This is just getting more ridiculous by the day - DOS zombie bots attacking BB; 915 million unique pageviews PER DAY? I mean really, what sort of idiots really believe this crap!

[Theseus]

Didn't Han Solo win the millenium falcon at the Tatooine convention?

Not as gullible as you think is Master Han....

[Theseus]

This is just getting more ridiculous by the day - DOS zombie bots attacking BB; 915 million unique pageviews PER DAY? I mean really, what sort of idiots really believe this crap!

I'm assuming that's a rhetorical question.....

[Hypanor]

I'm assuming that's a rhetorical question.....

Sure was.

I wouldn't be surprised if BB orchestrated the 'largest DDoS attack in the world' on Spamhaus recently, just so they can use it as an excuse for why their (BB's) website uptime is so *****.

Its actually not beyond the realms of possibilty that the (reportedly) Eastern Europeans behind that particular DDoS attack are receiving money from the Banners Broker ponzi. Assuming Rajiv is sharing the loot...

[NikSam]

DDOS attack on BB is possible, perhaps there is extortion from other HYIP admins or hackers.
Why it never happened before on such massive scale ?
Well attackers were not sure if it is a legitimate company or not,
perhaps us and other places spreading the word opened their eyes as well and they started to use the standard treatment as they apply to other popular HYIPs.

[Gregg]

I think you are right LRM, one thing would be nice if someone could ask is if Chris will allow affiliates to be bought out by other affiliates. Someone had pointed out on line there are still plenty of cheerleaders and plenty of folks who want out. There would be no business reason that panels could not be sold between members. And this would certainly stop all the problems that BB is having paying people. This would allow the cheerleaders to put their money where their mouth is.

Of course I know the answer to this, but an BB affiliates on the call may want to ask for themselves.


The problem with that is the scammer doesn't get any money from new suckers, way back when PIPS was running, they had their own payment processor, PICPAY, and the ref whores figured out that they could accept cash, real money and just transfer the imaginary PICPAY amount (which was by then darn near impossible to cash out of) and pocket the new suckers membership fees. This was not fine with Bryan Marsden, but there was nothing he could do about it. In the end, there were millions of dollars on the books at PIPS that they never received, it was stolen from them by their own members. Darn near ruined the town of Kells in Ireland and Kastach-something in Alaska....

[NikSam]

The problem with that is the scammer doesn't get any money from new suckers, way back when PIPS was running, they had their own payment processor, PICPAY, and the ref whores figured out that they could accept cash, real money and just transfer the imaginary PICPAY amount (which was by then darn near impossible to cash out of) and pocket the new suckers membership fees. This was not fine with Bryan Marsden, but there was nothing he could do about it. In the end, there were millions of dollars on the books at PIPS that they never received, it was stolen from them by their own members. Darn near ruined the town of Kells in Ireland and Kastach-something in Alaska....

I saw some other HYIP players selling entire HYIP accounts at discount: login/password (+email accounts, +processor accounts if those could not be changed in the HYIP)
If the loss is great some do consider sell all they have linked to account, i saw people in russian MMM-2011 ponzi even selling SIM cards together with accounts cause phone number was hard-linked to the account.

[Blindside]

Hey all! Long time lurker, first time poster. I joined in the anti-BB crusade when someone on Pinterest added me as a contact, and noticed she was a "self-made online entrepreneur" and was advertising BB as her website.

Anyway, Ponzis happen all the time, can't believe this one has gone on as long as it has...

Has anyone heard of the TV show "Leverage" by the way? It's quite relevant to this situation with BB :D

[Gregg]

Ketchikan, Alaska was the town where everyone in town was pretty much affected.

[Unknown_S]

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Ah, well that explains it then....

Well, to be scrupulously fair, there was something in the Daily Telegraph today about a DDOS attack (but it didn't mention BB):-

Web slows under 'biggest attack ever' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet-security/9957063/Web-slows-under-biggest-attack-ever.html)

No mention of BB, but they've definitely done their own share of DDoS (Daily Dose of ****-talking) attacks.

[HARRISON]

Just found this on the FB network page. Wondered how long this would take to surface:

Message from Mr Coleman Ohagan! This might explain that BB wasnt the only online company effected by the recent attacks

Global internet slowdown triggered by largest reported DDoS attack

What started as a dispute between spam blockers and a hosting service has resulted in the largest ever distributed denial-of-service (DDos) attack reported, which could have serious repercussions for internet traffic worldwide.

The attacks began on 19 March following the blacklisting of Dutch web hosting firm Cyberbunker by volunteer-based spam fighters Spamhaus.

A number of organisations – Google included – volunteer themselves to mirror Spamhaus’s infrastructure in order to strengthen it against cyber attacks, which are all too common when you’re dealing with disgruntled spammers.

These attacks flood servers with false traffic, effectively clogging up access so legitimate users fail to reach a website. The attackers are using the DNS to amplify their attack, too, so much so that it has reached proportions heretofore unknown in an attack of this type.

Hope this helps guys as BB mentioned the problem was with their host provider so that why its taking extra time plus having to take the decision to change host providers and migrate over to the new companies servers etc

PS, Site is live now but as mentioned they are still updating things in the back ground
[8:42:18 PM] Coleman O Hagan:...

Great timing or what?:loser:

[Della Cate]

Meanwhile, on the BB FB page.....

I vote a subscription fee refund for the month of march, as the site has only been up for 2 weeks marginally this whole month. While it was up, the use and functionality of the site was subpar as well. No point in hosting to a server and allowing viewing if all your websites pages are going to say under maintenance. Speed it up BB. I know Ajax, Java, and HTML are not that hard to work with. I use them all..
about an hour ago · Like
Martin M Kinyanjui Just be patient as they finalise upgrading the system, this is the response I got from support yesterday:
Hello Martin,
Thank you for submitting a support ticket.

Please be advised that due to the system upgrading to V2.9 it may have caused some glitches such as less activity in panels , but please be aware that the activity of the panels is running smoothly at the back even if you may not be able to see the progress live, it will all appear normally in a couple of days.

We apologize for any inconvenience that this may have caused and thank you for your patience.

Regards,
BB Team
about an hour ago · Like
S Van Baeten what's up follks...? This is getting more than annoying... LOGIN = IMPOSSIBLE...CUT THE CRAB ...NOW !
47 minutes ago · Like
S Van Baeten can someone let BB know (by ticket) that there are members who still CAN NOT LOGIN...
44 minutes ago · Edited · Like

I don't think the first speaker (who is from New York, by the way, didn't think they operated in the USA) is going to get his refund do you?

And the site still has "glitches" after all this work! Telling people to be patient over and over again! Really, their IT folks need a boot up the backside, not getting the site going properly when all the good affiliates are waiting to launch campaigns/blog/ and get paid. You'd almost think that the top people at BB wanted this to happen....oh..er.....hang on.....

[Della Cate]

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Ah, well that explains it then....



You're a f**king idiot :duh:

You'll be pleased to hear that this comment has now been moved up on the BB Network FB page and given a little box and headline of its own. Obviously useful information and TRUE, so they want all their readers to know!

[AshKen1]

From the FB BB page.... close to the other bits already posted here...

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Someone else who will have lots of phone calls to avoid as and when this whole shebang goes splat. Again confirmation that there is a delay in the system being available.

[Newto]

Found that this morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5Fhy0rgXE:

The panels are updated manually.Just trying to do some maths on that...ups, to many zeros
But at least now I understand why they have not paid us. They first have to update millions of panels what they will do that once they get around to it.

Good to know this, now I can relax.

[Della Cate]

From the FB BB page.... close to the other bits already posted here...

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Someone else who will have lots of phone calls to avoid as and when this whole shebang goes splat. Again confirmation that there is a delay in the system being available.

AshKen, do you think that this person does indeed know 56 people who have given up their day jobs to do BB? I am asking this in all seriousness, because it really is very worrying if so. What are they going to do when this thing goes t*ts up? Surely people aren't daft enough to jack in their jobs, their paid, salaried jobs, poissibly even with pension scheme and benefits, just for something like this?

Can you imagine the scene down the Job Centre/Benefits office/local Council:-

(Cue tinkly music)

A.N. Affiliate: "I'd like to sign on and see what benefits I can claim, please."

Benefits clerk; "Right, are you not working at the moment then?"

A.N. Affiliate; "Well, no. "

Benefits clerk: "Ok, so what was your last job then? So we can see where your skills lie."

A.N. Affiliate: "I was an online entrepreneur with Banners Broker."

Benefits clerk: "Sorry, what's that? An online what? With who?"

A.N. Affiliate: "Banners Broker. An online advertising agency. Oh, hang on, no, that was a few months ago. Actually, an advertising broker. Or was it a direct sales company? I forget. Anyway, I created my own advertising campaigns on the internet and made money that way."

Benefits clerk "Sounds a bit rum to me. What did you actually do?"

A.N. Affiliate: "I qualified my coloured panels with organic and non organic traffic and rolled them up!"

Benefits clerk (sighing) "So you clicked on coloured squares on your computer screen?"

A.N. Affiliate: "Er....yes....but it was really difficult...."

Benefits clerk: "So, Mr Affiliate, did you have a real job before that......?"

A.N. Affiliate: "Yes, I was production supervisor at a large manufacturing company, worked there 20 years, had my own office and a company car."

Benefits clerk: "Well, our problem is, we may have to decide you are not eligible for anything because you made yourself unemployed, you weren't made redundant or anything like that, so I will have to check out how we can helkp you, if we can."

A.N. Affiliate: "But Banners Broker was such a good opportunity...Ok so I lost £20,000, gave up a good job and now the wife has gone to stay with her sister because she says I'm an idiot, but honestly, all I did was keep the faith....""

(Cue music)

(Copyright Della Cate Productions)

[okosh]

AshKen, do you think that this person does indeed know 56 people who have given up their day jobs to do BB?

56?????......Would not even be 6......Good chance it's not even 1....

[Dreamstealer]

AshKen, do you think that this person does indeed know 56 people who have given up their day jobs to do BB? I am asking this in all seriousness, because it really is very worrying if so. What are they going to do when this thing goes t*ts up? Surely people aren't daft enough to jack in their jobs, their paid, salaried jobs, poissibly even with pension scheme and benefits, just for something like this?

Can you imagine the scene down the Job Centre/Benefits office/local Council:-

(Cue tinkly music)

A.N. Affiliate: "I'd like to sign on and see what benefits I can claim, please."

Benefits clerk; "Right, are you not working at the moment then?"

A.N. Affiliate; "Well, no. "

Benefits clerk: "Ok, so what was your last job then? So we can see where your skills lie."

A.N. Affiliate: "I was an online entrepreneur with Banners Broker."

Benefits clerk: "Sorry, what's that? An online what? With who?"

A.N. Affiliate: "Banners Broker. An online advertising agency. Oh, hang on, no, that was a few months ago. Actually, an advertising broker. Or was it a direct sales company? I forget. Anyway, I created my own advertising campaigns on the internet and made money that way."

Benefits clerk "Sounds a bit rum to me. What did you actually do?"

A.N. Affiliate: "I qualified my coloured panels with organic and non organic traffic and rolled them up!"

Benefits clerk (sighing) "So you clicked on coloured squares on your computer screen?"

A.N. Affiliate: "Er....yes....but it was really difficult...."

Benefits clerk: "So, Mr Affiliate, did you have a real job before that......?"

A.N. Affiliate: "Yes, I was production supervisor at a large manufacturing company, worked there 20 years, had my own office and a company car."

Benefits clerk: "Well, our problem is, we may have to decide you are not eligible for anything because you made yourself unemployed, you weren't made redundant or anything like that, so I will have to check out how we can helkp you, if we can."

A.N. Affiliate: "But Banners Broker was such a good opportunity...Ok so I lost £20,000, gave up a good job and now the wife has gone to stay with her sister because she says I'm an idiot, but honestly, all I did was keep the faith....""

(Cue music)

(Copyright Della Cate Productions)

Just before the cue music bit you missed this:-
Benefit Clerk- picking up phone and whispering: "get everyone to come near my desk and listen to this prize f**king idiot. I think I win the "dealing with the biggest moron claimant of the week award""

[Dreamstealer]

Thought I'd post this from FB before it gets deleted:

Hooray I can log in!!!!! only to find that my projected balance will be negative by $150 dollars thanks to panels not splitting and catch up from traffic packs......what a great investment. Can't wait to write about this.

20 minutes ago
And then he got banned for calling it an investment......

[Della Cate]

Dreamstealer - fantastic addition to my play, I laughed out loud, thank you!!

[Hypanor]

This is Jennifer D'Orazio's parents (Rajivs partner), posted today.

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[Theseus]

This is Jennifer D'Orazio's parents (Rajivs partner), posted today.

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Isn't it heartening to see that Mr Dixit can take time out from his busy schedule in Cyprus, where he is currently doing his upmost to steal every last penny he can from people at their very lowest, to abuse his in-laws?

[Brenda]

Found that this morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5Fhy0rgXE:

The panels are updated manually.Just trying to do some maths on that...ups, to many zeros
But at least now I understand why they have not paid us. They first have to update millions of panels what they will do that once they get around to it.

Good to know this, now I can relax.

8 minutes of my life I will never get back but hilarious all the same!

'Stand back from the laptop, do not touch the laptop, oh and have a good Easter'

On a serious note, BB need to make their minds up, either it was a DDOS attack as THEY have stated or system glitches that THEY have also stated !

[mentalmaniac76]

3472

Ah, well that explains it then....

Well, to be scrupulously fair, there was something in the Daily Telegraph today about a DDOS attack (but it didn't mention BB):-

Web slows under 'biggest attack ever' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet-security/9957063/Web-slows-under-biggest-attack-ever.html)

I beg to differ....

That Internet War Apocalypse Is a Lie (http://gizmodo.com/5992652/that-internet-war-apocalypse-is-a-lie?post=58598535)

[Della Cate]

8 minutes of my life I will never get back but hilarious all the same!

'Stand back from the laptop, do not touch the laptop, oh and have a good Easter'

On a serious note, BB need to make their minds up, either it was a DDOS attack as THEY have stated or system glitches that THEY have also stated !

Yes, all schmoozing the restless affiliates down....hilarious........and yet encouraging them to "do something pro-active, talk to people, or write articles". In other wrods, get more people in!

But, I note, there seems to be this understanding that all the "glitches" won't be fixed until after Easter.....

[Blindside]

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Can't believe noone picked up on this gem from BBWorld's Facebook Page.. :RpS_smile:

[ribshaw]

Does anyone know anything about Nigel Albright, he seems to be another BB pimp taking advantage of people in a very depressed area.

Starter (http://ukbb.biz/starter.html)

[Dreamstealer]

Does anyone know anything about Nigel Albright, he seems to be another BB pimp taking advantage of people in a very depressed area.

Starter (http://ukbb.biz/starter.html)
Loved the old reference to a forex trader. The previous version i heard was that it was a top banker who spent 72 hours looking through the books of BB and decided it was a great INVESTMENT. Not a trade then? Also being told by someone you don't know that someone else you don't know who has 20 years experience in an unrelated business has decided it is good isn' t the best due diligence. Even if it wasn't so obvious a lie.

[ribshaw]

Loved the old reference to a forex trader. The previous version i heard was that it was a top banker who spent 72 hours looking through the books of BB and decided it was a great INVESTMENT. Not a trade then? Also being told by someone you don't know that someone else you don't know who has 20 years experience in an unrelated business has decided it is good isn' t the best due diligence. Even if it wasn't so obvious a lie.

(!)I love it, David Tree says its OK whoever the hell he is, I think he mentored Richard Branson.((!)) Then a video link and the first face you see is Mark Stokes, the scumbag con artist that banned 10 of my Gmail accounts from posting questions to his channel.

[Theseus]

(!)I love it, David Tree says its OK whoever the hell he is, I think he mentored Richard Branson.((!)) Then a video link and the first face you see is Mark Stokes, the scumbag con artist that banned 10 of my Gmail accounts from posting questions to his channel.

David Tree? That'll be this chap (Referred to by Mark "Twice Ya Stupidity" Stokes as "David Wood" :RpS_lol:)

1976

The pic of Del Trotter on the mantle behind him should give a clue to his business ethics, as should his boast (in a BB video linked to elsewhere in this thread) about BBI moving its registered offices from tax haven to tax haven, in order to stay one step ahead of the authorities.

[Della Cate]

Over on BB World FB site, we have this....


This may be of interest to y'all..............

Fraser is the IC for Cyprus & Greece

Just in - to give you an idea why BB has been down
[10:18:48] Fraser Douther: [10:02] Terry Stern:

Hello Everyone,
The issue of the website being hit by the latest global DDOS attacks has surfaced over and over, and from what I'm hearing, you'd like an official statement to say when contacted by affiliates....
Chris recently told affiliates in a webinar that the website was being hit by denial of service attacks, which was the reason the website was down and being moved from one hosting company to another.
If you are asked, yes the servers the site was originally on was hit by these attacks which was the reason for the site move, and the reason BB has spent an immense amount of money putting into place firewall protection to prevent this from happening again.
The site is now up and running smoothly, and the IT staff is diligently working to correct any issues that were caused by the move as quickly as they can - placing priority on fixing issues surrounding panel display and movement, as well as traffic allocation.
Payments through STP and Payza are still being processed on time, however, once again, after the funds have been released to these companies, it's up to their timeline as to when the final release of funds will be. We can not guarantee or state dates payments will be finalized.
As to the issue of the April 1st deadline, we are currently waiting final verification that the date has been moved back to April 15th before publicly releasing that information, so please have your teams prepared once it's been made official. This is in direct response to the delays that have been faced as the result of the website downtime over the past 2 weeks.all will be on the site today advising people
[10:19:00] Fraser Douther: End

And this, partially quoted above by Blindside:-

I hope this will help people understand why we are experiencing delays with payout transfers from our e-wallets.

Firstly, it must be understood that what is showing as “available to withdraw” in your e-wallet is NOT REAL MONEY – The figure represents your earnings that are owed to you by BB.

There is NO CASH in your e-wallet!

When BB transfers money to your STP or Payza account, they can only do so from their CASH RESERVES - which are held in their different Bank accounts around the globe.

When there is insufficient money in their cash reserves for a full transfer, then BB can only do a part transfer. Even those amounts are huge!

EXAMPLE: Say there are 200,000 affiliates expecting to receive $1,000 each. This means that BB would need to have $200,000,000 CASH sitting in their “cash reserve” accounts.
And that is not peanuts! But what if there are 300,000 affiliates, each expecting to receive
$2,500??? That is 750 million dollars that would need to go out in one hit.

Cash flow problems are common with new rapidly growing companies.

This extract is taken from Wikipedia regarding AMAZON:
“Amazon's initial business plan was unusual. It did not expect to make a profit for the first four to five years.

This "slow" growth caused stockholders to complain about the company not reaching profitability fast enough to justify purchasing in, or to even survive in the long-term.
When the dot-com bubble burst at the start of the 21st Century, destroying many e-companies in the process, Amazon survived, and grew on past the bubble burst to become a huge player in online sales.

It finally turned its FIRST PROFIT in the fourth quarter of 2001: $5 million (i.e., 1¢ per share), on revenues of more than $1 billion.

This profit margin, though extremely modest, proved to skeptics that Bezos' unconventional business model could succeed.[19] In 1999, Time magazine named Bezos the Person of the Year, recognizing the company's success in popularizing online shopping.”

So people, PLEASE BE PATIENT and try to understand BB’s predicament. If Amazon can eventually become a major global player, then so will BB.

Yes, BB’s Pay Outs at this stage are painfully slow, but they always come through. I personally have a lot of faith in BB’s management and their ability to profitably handle the Billion dollar revenues generated by their revolutionary business model. I also believe 100% that the present delays with their payouts to us are temporary and will be resolved in the near future.

Source: Alan Kent from one of the BB Skype Chats

So in other words, folks.......there's no money left!

[Theseus]

And this, partially quoted above by Blindside:-

I hope this will help people understand why we are experiencing delays with payout transfers from our e-wallets.

Firstly, it must be understood that what is showing as “available to withdraw” in your e-wallet is NOT REAL MONEY – The figure represents your earnings that are owed to you by BB.

There is NO CASH in your e-wallet!

When BB transfers money to your STP or Payza account, they can only do so from their CASH RESERVES - which are held in their different Bank accounts around the globe.

When there is insufficient money in their cash reserves for a full transfer, then BB can only do a part transfer. Even those amounts are huge!

EXAMPLE: Say there are 200,000 affiliates expecting to receive $1,000 each. This means that BB would need to have $200,000,000 CASH sitting in their “cash reserve” accounts.
And that is not peanuts! But what if there are 300,000 affiliates, each expecting to receive
$2,500??? That is 750 million dollars that would need to go out in one hit.

Cash flow problems are common with new rapidly growing companies.

This extract is taken from Wikipedia regarding AMAZON:
“Amazon's initial business plan was unusual. It did not expect to make a profit for the first four to five years.

This "slow" growth caused stockholders to complain about the company not reaching profitability fast enough to justify purchasing in, or to even survive in the long-term.
When the dot-com bubble burst at the start of the 21st Century, destroying many e-companies in the process, Amazon survived, and grew on past the bubble burst to become a huge player in online sales.

It finally turned its FIRST PROFIT in the fourth quarter of 2001: $5 million (i.e., 1¢ per share), on revenues of more than $1 billion.

This profit margin, though extremely modest, proved to skeptics that Bezos' unconventional business model could succeed.[19] In 1999, Time magazine named Bezos the Person of the Year, recognizing the company's success in popularizing online shopping.”

So people, PLEASE BE PATIENT and try to understand BB’s predicament. If Amazon can eventually become a major global player, then so will BB.

Yes, BB’s Pay Outs at this stage are painfully slow, but they always come through. I personally have a lot of faith in BB’s management and their ability to profitably handle the Billion dollar revenues generated by their revolutionary business model. I also believe 100% that the present delays with their payouts to us are temporary and will be resolved in the near future.

Source: Alan Kent from one of the BB Skype Chats

So in other words, folks.......there's no money left!


Sorry, but wasn't the boast that BB was a cash-rich business? From the description above it sounds more like a Ponzi scheme.


Oh, wait.....

[ribshaw]

David Tree? That'll be this chap (Referred to by Mark "Twice Ya Stupidity" Stokes as "David Wood" :RpS_lol:)

1976

The pic of Del Trotter on the mantle behind him should give a clue to his business ethics, as should his boast (in a BB video linked to elsewhere in this thread) about BBI moving its registered offices from tax haven to tax haven, in order to stay one step ahead of the authorities.

Well at least his purse on the door matches his pretty blue sweater. If you are going to scam 100s of thousands of people it is important not to clash. But on a serious note, that guy looks like he would say anything for a diaper change and some strained carrots.

[Della Cate]

Does anyone know anything about Nigel Albright, he seems to be another BB pimp taking advantage of people in a very depressed area.

Starter (http://ukbb.biz/starter.html)


Yes, indeed:-

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[Hypanor]

This extract is taken from Wikipedia regarding AMAZON:
“Amazon's initial business plan was unusual. It did not expect to make a profit for the first four to five years.

This "slow" growth caused stockholders to complain about the company not reaching profitability fast enough to justify purchasing in, or to even survive in the long-term.
When the dot-com bubble burst at the start of the 21st Century, destroying many e-companies in the process, Amazon survived, and grew on past the bubble burst to become a huge player in online sales.

It finally turned its FIRST PROFIT in the fourth quarter of 2001: $5 million (i.e., 1¢ per share), on revenues of more than $1 billion.

This profit margin, though extremely modest, proved to skeptics that Bezos' unconventional business model could succeed.[19] In 1999, Time magazine named Bezos the Person of the Year, recognizing the company's success in popularizing online shopping.”

So people, PLEASE BE PATIENT and try to understand BB’s predicament. If Amazon can eventually become a major global player, then so will BB.

That's all very good, except from day one Amazon had PRODUCTS that had a real value, that any person could buy and actually receive, and touch with their own hands. A ponzi like Banners Broker only has coloured panels to sell, that do bugger all (more so (or is that less so?) in the past two weeks) and have no value in the real world.

[Eponymous]

Chris recently told affiliates in a webinar that the website was being hit by denial of service attacks, which was the reason the website was down and being moved from one hosting company to another.
If you are asked, yes the servers the site was originally on was hit by these attacks which was the reason for the site move, and the reason BB has spent an immense amount of money putting into place firewall protection to prevent this from happening again.

...aaaaand here's an explanation of why the internet has not been at all affected by the supposed DDOS attacks reported in the media over the last couple of days:

That Internet War Apocalypse Is a Lie (http://gizmodo.com/ddos/)

[Hypanor]

Does anyone know anything about Nigel Albright, he seems to be another BB pimp taking advantage of people in a very depressed area.

Starter (http://ukbb.biz/starter.html)

Thats a great website, so 90's Microsoft Frontpage! Where are the animated gif's and background .wav file though?

Oh dear Nigel - the compliancy goon squad will be after you. Can you hear the jackboots coming?


People sometimes get a little amazed that in Banners Broker you will get a return of twice what your purchase price.

Watch out everyone, Hooker is coming for us!


However, David Hooker of StellarPoint, the marketing and support arm of Banners Broker, says Banners Broker will be legally pursuing the negative scammers who tell blatant lies about the Company.

Oh hang on, we did this a few months ago didn't we.

[wakeupandsmelltheroses]

Thats a great website, so 90's Microsoft Frontpage! Where are the animated gif's and background .wav file though?

Oh dear Nigel - the compliancy goon squad will be after you. Can you hear the jackboots coming?

Watch out everyone, Hooker is coming for us!



Oh hang on, we did this a few months ago didn't we.


did you notice at the bottom of his beautiful website
"Nigel Albright is an affiliate of Banners Broker. The content of this website has been approved by Banners Broker International. :shocked:Much of the material collated, either from Banners Broker information or, from other, considered reliable, sources and considered accurate at the time of writing. However, the design and format of this site is © Nigel Albright 2012.

i wonder how many panels this got him(!)

[HARRISON]

Have just noticed something about a recent FB posting. Rui Salguiero is a regular poster for BB but this intrigued me:


Sorry guys, a question. Due the long maintanance from bb-website it wasnt possible to upload an id. Now the 30 days are over!!
What to do now? Some ideas? Thanks.

7 hours ago via mobile..

Rui Sulguiero: no worrys..just do it next week
7 hours ago..

He Hol Its not disabled now?
Thanks Rui for your fast answer.



So basically...Rui seems to be writing BB terms and conditions? Which I can only conclude means he is most definitely NOT an ordinary affilliate?:watching_you:

[HARRISON]

Also...there has been NO activity/deletions on FB since March 15th?:watching_you:

[Beethoven]

Over on BB World FB site, we have this....


Terry Stern:

The site is now up and running smoothly, and the IT staff is diligently working to correct any issues.....





What, all one of them?

Thanks Terry. This helps to explain the delays, and generally crap service from BB. The multi-million dollar company has just one staff member working diligently.

Wait,... soooo, Raj is a sole trader? :shocked:

[Poyol]

What, all one of them?

Thanks Terry. This helps to explain the delays, and generally crap service from BB. The multi-million dollar company has just one staff member working diligently.

Wait,... soooo, Raj is a sole trader? :shocked:

I was going to argue the toss over the rules of singular collectives; but I really can't be arsed!

[Joe_Shmoe]

(!) Here is an example of an amazing BB approved article The likes of this will get the traffic flooding to the choice network.


http://tomhalbert.com/make-money-with-banners-broker-6/ (http://tomhalbert.com/make-money-with-banners-broker-6/)


In my last post for ‘Make Money with Banners Broker’ … here (http://tomhalbert.com/make-money-with-banners-broker-10/).. I talked about how to get ‘Incentive’ traffic to qualify your panels. Well since I posted that I have indeed tried my own small hand at writing a couple of articles. 1 of these articles seen below has now been approved and hopefully will give you a better idea of how simple it is to receive traffic using this method.

Make Money with Banners Broker – My First Article Writing Credit!My first article was about of all things, ‘Heartburn’ and how I finally found a cure for it after many months of suffering.
This was my article:
‘Finding a Cure for Heartburn at Last!’
There are several myths these days about what to do about a very common complaint like heartburn. Visit your local GP and you will no doubt be given the same old remedy which will alleviate your symptoms, but alas, will not actually cure your extremely irritating condition.
That is, the doctor will prescribe you some form of antacid to actually weaken the acid strength in your stomach, thus causing your probably even more pain or just simply a continuation of the problem.
The problem in fact is that you are suffering from a LACK of stomach acid which controls the digestive system so well normally. How do you get a sufficient level of stomach acid?
The 2 main ingredients required for your stomach to produce sufficient strength of acid are:


HCL- Hydrochloric acid formed by water and chloride. 90% of your body is made up of water, so no worries there. The chloride can be found in NaCL which of course as we all know is SALT! So if you happen to be on a salt-restricted diet, and your having digestion/heartburn problems..you are doing something wrong! Get some Iodised salt and use it to make your food taste good! Period.
Calcium- Get yourself a calcium supplement in liquid form.


So these are only 2 of the nutrients required to stabilize your chronic hearburn or GERD complaint.
Of course to gain total health benefits for all round vitality and life, we actually require 90 essential minerals and vitamins and we need to take these 90 lovely things every single day of our lives.
A little research on the internet will avail you of exactly what these 90 minerals and vitamins are.

Make Money with Banners Broker – My First Article Writing Credit!
As you can see above, this was a very simple article indeed with the smallest of research done to get a few facts correct. It took me between 20 and 30 minutes to complete.
For this article I received 1250 credits to go towards qualifying any colour panel of my choosing. (normally yellow). Having just also signed someone up to a yellow package has given me another 2500 sales credits towards qualifying another yellow panel. So I only have to write another article and receive another 1250 credits and ‘voila’, 1 more yellow panel qualified!
You see how using 2 different sources of traffic credit can quickly accumulate to make money with banners broker!

I will definitely be following this route for aquiring free traffic and have already written 2 more articles which are ‘pending’ as we speak.

[Theseus]

(!) Here is an example of an amazing BB approved article The likes of this will get the traffic flooding to the choice network.


http://tomhalbert.com/make-money-with-banners-broker-6/ (http://tomhalbert.com/make-money-with-banners-broker-6/)


In my last post for ‘Make Money with Banners Broker’ … here (http://tomhalbert.com/make-money-with-banners-broker-10/).. I talked about how to get ‘Incentive’ traffic to qualify your panels. Well since I posted that I have indeed tried my own small hand at writing a couple of articles. 1 of these articles seen below has now been approved and hopefully will give you a better idea of how simple it is to receive traffic using this method.

Make Money with Banners Broker – My First Article Writing Credit!My first article was about of all things, ‘Heartburn’ and how I finally found a cure for it after many months of suffering.
This was my article:
‘Finding a Cure for Heartburn at Last!’
There are several myths these days about what to do about a very common complaint like heartburn. Visit your local GP and you will no doubt be given the same old remedy which will alleviate your symptoms, but alas, will not actually cure your extremely irritating condition.
That is, the doctor will prescribe you some form of antacid to actually weaken the acid strength in your stomach, thus causing your probably even more pain or just simply a continuation of the problem.
The problem in fact is that you are suffering from a LACK of stomach acid which controls the digestive system so well normally. How do you get a sufficient level of stomach acid?
The 2 main ingredients required for your stomach to produce sufficient strength of acid are:


HCL- Hydrochloric acid formed by water and chloride. 90% of your body is made up of water, so no worries there. The chloride can be found in NaCL which of course as we all know is SALT! So if you happen to be on a salt-restricted diet, and your having digestion/heartburn problems..you are doing something wrong! Get some Iodised salt and use it to make your food taste good! Period.
Calcium- Get yourself a calcium supplement in liquid form.


So these are only 2 of the nutrients required to stabilize your chronic hearburn or GERD complaint.
Of course to gain total health benefits for all round vitality and life, we actually require 90 essential minerals and vitamins and we need to take these 90 lovely things every single day of our lives.
A little research on the internet will avail you of exactly what these 90 minerals and vitamins are.

Make Money with Banners Broker – My First Article Writing Credit!
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For this article I received 1250 credits to go towards qualifying any colour panel of my choosing. (normally yellow). Having just also signed someone up to a yellow package has given me another 2500 sales credits towards qualifying another yellow panel. So I only have to write another article and receive another 1250 credits and ‘voila’, 1 more yellow panel qualified!
You see how using 2 different sources of traffic credit can quickly accumulate to make money with banners broker!

I will definitely be following this route for aquiring free traffic and have already written 2 more articles which are ‘pending’ as we speak.

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[caecilius]

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I have a friend who has worked for the past year or so writing articles like this for SEO "content" companies. He recently realised that it's a really poor way to make a living, as well as being incredibly dull and unrewarding.

Now isn't this amazing: the people who came in to BB looking to double their money via a passive investment, possibly dreaming of breaking free from the rat race and retiring to Tenerife, have somehow been tricked into becoming SEO content generators, doing a dull and soul-less job for a pittance! Ever hear the story of the frog placed in a pan of water that is slowly heated until it cooks?

Is this the fabled Stokesian "Internet Lifestyle"?

[Brenda]

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Whoops....

Ok, but I am so confused, congrats on your grammar test but am I mistaken? Are they not taking 'blogs' for credit after the 1st April when v2.9 kicks in or the 15th whatever pretendy date they pick? How can he be submitting blogs, having them approved, having traffic moved when the site has been down for virtually 2 weeks, they are allegedly all trying to fix the 'glitches' , Raj and Chris are in Cyprus so who is even reading them? Do I detect a porkie? Well I hope it's not the way forward, hope none of those affiliates has hemorrhoids (!)

[Brenda]

Ken Roklin puts it very succinctly over on Finch's when he says ' BB haven't run out of money , they have just run out of money that they are willing to share with you ( the affiliates)

Nice one Ken, to the point !

[Ken Roklin]

Sorry, but wasn't the boast that BB was a cash-rich business? From the description above it sounds more like a Ponzi scheme.


Oh, wait.....

But Chris boasted just a month ago that the company was debt free and paid out a lot more than they took in. Now they figure they have a cash flow problem? Duh, any company that pays out more than they take in will have a cash flow problem yet BB faithful trust them to get to profitability? How can they do that with a business model that is based on paying out more than it takes in?

[Theseus]

But Chris boasted just a month ago that the company was debt free and paid out a lot more than they took in.

It does - Smith gets paid a lot, Dixit gets paid a lot, Hooker gets paid a lot, Guarini gets paid a lot.....

[laidback]

But Chris boasted just a month ago that the company was debt free and paid out a lot more than they took in. Now they figure they have a cash flow problem? Duh, any company that pays out more than they take in will have a cash flow problem yet BB faithful trust them to get to profitability? How can they do that with a business model that is based on paying out more than it takes in?

Anyone that believes the claims of pimps, shills and admins is either stoned, stupid, gullible, or believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy...!

[Whip]

He struck me more as someone who was going to turn up at work one day to find it all locked up and empty, rather than an SP scammer in the mould of Hood, Stern or Dixit.

he struck me as possibly white chris smith's brother. lmao

[baylee]

Thats a great website, so 90's Microsoft Frontpage! Where are the animated gif's and background .wav file though?

Oh dear Nigel - the compliancy goon squad will be after you. Can you hear the jackboots coming?



Watch out everyone, Hooker is coming for us!



Oh hang on, we did this a few months ago didn't we.

hooker can go straight to IC3 and for all the important information about me as they I gave them his name and all the important information about this scam and his involvement in this scam already. The secret service and the FBI has my name, telephone information and address already along with the case number and the information and links of what I reported about this scam.

[Theseus]

Anyone that believes the claims of pimps, shills and admins is either stoned, stupid, gullible, or believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy...!

The white Tooth Fairy, or the black one?

[Hypanor]

(!) Here is an example of an amazing BB approved article The likes of this will get the traffic flooding to the choice network.


That's one blog down, he only has another 30-odd to write to make his daily quota when the new 'rules' kick in.

[Theseus]

Over on BB World FB site, we have this....


This may be of interest to y'all..............

Fraser is the IC for Cyprus & Greece

Just in - to give you an idea why BB has been down
[10:18:48] Fraser Douther:

Thought I'd do quick Google on Mr Douther and his company, Facebook pretty much has BB nailed....

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"When you wish upon a panel star...."

[laidback]

The white Tooth Fairy, or the black one?Ummm I better not touch that straight line with the ten foot Pole...(Where do you find one that tall...?)!!!

[Theseus]

Do what now?

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Source (http://www.zygimarina.com/news-and-events/invest-to-be-impressed-3)

[Whip]

Ok, but I am so confused, congrats on your grammar test but am I mistaken? Are they not taking 'blogs' for credit after the 1st April when v2.9 kicks in or the 15th whatever pretendy date they pick? How can he be submitting blogs, having them approved, having traffic moved when the site has been down for virtually 2 weeks, they are allegedly all trying to fix the 'glitches' , Raj and Chris are in Cyprus so who is even reading them? Do I detect a porkie? Well I hope it's not the way forward, hope none of those affiliates has hemorrhoids (!)
I'm trying to figure out why the test even kept going after determining it was plagerized.

[Della Cate]

Ove on the official BB FB site, more and more people are getting restless....

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Maybe some will see the light? Or is that too much to hope for?

[littleroundman]

Ove on the official BB FB site, more and more people are getting restless....

Maybe some will see the light? Or is that too much to hope for?

They are still talking about "panels moving" as if they are real and the website being down as being one of the reasons for them not being paid.

So, no, while many of them are complaining, not many have "seen the light"

[Della Cate]

I don't think much is going to happen (in BB terms) over Easter.

The good folk over at MMG are quite clear that this one is over and done with. Over, all bar the shouting, as they say.

Over on MMG, Acrylic1 made this pertinenet comment:-

"Its fine for people like on this forum because we know it is a HYIP and will only last so long. When it moved beyond the boundaries of the usual 'investors' and into the public realm, it stopped being a HYIP and became a scourge that IS and HAS ruined many unwitting (and some thick) people and communities."

I think that's a good point. As many people have pointed out, BB began life as a "straightline cycler doubler", didn't it, and you can find evidence of that on t'internet to this day. It was pushed amongst people who deal with this kind of thing, people who knew what they were dealing with.

But I'd like to know who decided that it was a good idea to take it out into the wider world and pitch it at ordinary Joes? People in hard times are grasping at anything that might make their life better. It's sheer wickedness, in my very humble opinion, to trick others, knowingly. And if anyone is still trying to get people into BB at this late stage, well, I think they are just downright dirty! Even the true believers in their hearts must realise that.

[Della Cate]

Read the comment from George Dorn below........

OH DEAR.

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[Dreamstealer]

The white Tooth Fairy, or the black one? The black tooth fairy should brush more.

[Dreamstealer]

Read the comment from George Dorn below........

OH DEAR.

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George Dorn sounds intelligent. Positive thinking has obviously got him this far. So in the spirit of positive thinking- George I'm positive you've had your last BB payment.

[Tomas]

Ove on the official BB FB site, more and more people are getting restless....

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Maybe some will see the light? Or is that too much to hope for?

Bruno is right, all Charges on BB account has been made, no "panels" movement (however they call it) can be seen.
Of course no payments made by BB.
I give them 2-3 weeks max....

[Gregg]

But Chris boasted just a month ago that the company was debt free and paid out a lot more than they took in. Now they figure they have a cash flow problem? Duh, any company that pays out more than they take in will have a cash flow problem yet BB faithful trust them to get to profitability? How can they do that with a business model that is based on paying out more than it takes in?

Well, it's actually a business model that takes in more than it pays out, although it owes far more than it has.

[Newto]

It might be over but the thugs are still out in full force. Have it on reliable source (BannersBroker - groesster MLM-Betrug mit "Internet-Anzeigen" - ant marketing (http://www.ant-marketing.org/2012/12/15/ist-bannersbroker-eine-schwindelfirma/)) that last week about 500 people were present at a presentation in Koeln/Germany. Wish I`d been there with a Maga-Phone shouting out loud: Liars, Scum bags, Betueger.

[matrixequinox]

I bought myself a shotgum and hired mercs to go hunting for chris smith and Raj. I have gone to all the 3rd world countries recruiting for my cause and handed out AK47's. My cause is just no panel movement in 3 weeks and they cut up my mastercard. As all victims are in poverty recruitment will be easy a bit of bread is all that is needed.

[Jerrygo]

Over on Bannersbroker.com - Is Banners Broker Down Right Now? (http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/bannersbroker.com.html) A few people have asked the bb cheerleaders to buy them out of BB, if they really believe that BB is so good.
1 affiliate, Linds Lewand, has expressed interest in doing this. Is this possible in BB, to transfer panels etc for original investment price?
Would be a godsend to many disenchanted affiliates if that would take off.
Have my doubts, Probably BB would put some block on it.

[Douglasdog]

Website down again. " After a week of server maintenance we are pleased to say we are now stable again" NOT

I tried reporting BB to action fraud yesterday and they directed me to the FSA. I got fed up of listening to the options... Press button 1 etc..so if anyone has any other ideas of reporting them please let me know.

[Brenda]

Website down again. " After a week of server maintenance we are pleased to say we are now stable again" NOT

I tried reporting BB to action fraud yesterday and they directed me to the FSA. I got fed up of listening to the options... Press button 1 etc..so if anyone has any other ideas of reporting them please let me know.

Hmm, I wonder if that has been anyone else's experience. I do think that they have been reported to action fraud in the UK already, perhaps someone could clarify? Oh, and I guess by referring to the FSA you are in the UK?

Can I ask you what are your thoughts on BB and it's credibility? Do you believe it to be a legitimate business?

[Douglasdog]

Yes, I'm in the UK. Action fraud said because it seemed to be an investment programme, then it should be firstly referred to the FSA, who would investigate and if found to be a fraud, would refer it back for action.
I am convinced it is a Ponzi scheme. How can it be a legitimate business? What legitimate business allows you to invest money, and then if you question any of its actions, (deemed to be non-compliance), it freezes your account? That in my view is theft.
Also, a business which is reputedly turning over millions of dollars, cannot keep a website online for 24hrs without problems.
I've looked up the people involved in BB and each and every one of them has a shady history so I'd guess the odds on it being legitimate are pretty long.

[HARRISON]

Website down again. " After a week of server maintenance we are pleased to say we are now stable again" NOT

I tried reporting BB to action fraud yesterday and they directed me to the FSA. I got fed up of listening to the options... Press button 1 etc..so if anyone has any other ideas of reporting them please let me know.

If you are ever on a phone call that gives you options, IGNORE them and wait. Nine times out of ten the call goes STRAIGHT through to a real person.

[Brenda]

Yes, I'm in the UK. Action fraud said because it seemed to be an investment programme, then it should be firstly referred to the FSA, who would investigate and if found to be a fraud, would refer it back for action.
I am convinced it is a Ponzi scheme. How can it be a legitimate business? What legitimate business allows you to invest money, and then if you question any of its actions, (deemed to be non-compliance), it freezes your account? That in my view is theft.
Also, a business which is reputedly turning over millions of dollars, cannot keep a website online for 24hrs without problems.
I've looked up the people involved in BB and each and every one of them has a shady history so I'd guess the odds on it being legitimate are pretty long.

Thanks , I guess you have now seen the light! How long were you a member, did you personally recruit? How much are you in the hold for if you don't mind me asking ?

[Douglasdog]

I put a few hundred in just to see what it was all about, viewed it as the cost of a night out. I went in with my eyes wide open and never really believed it was for real. I've been in since mid Nov '12.
I refused to recruit anyone as I would not wish anyone to be ripped off on my recommendation. If it had been a legitimate investment which I had personally made money from then I'd have recommended it, but it certainly isn't! I wrote off my cash on day one to be honest.
The quicker the authorities shut it down the better because I've heard of people putting thousands in, in fact taking out credit cards and maxing them up to invest, it's scandalous.
The guy who recruited me was constantly on at me to invest more money and he only stopped when I became abusive to him and his cronies.
It makes your blood boil!

[ASRox]

Something that has been floating around today:-

[9:25:29 AM] beaches777 (Linda Lane): (*) Friday Q&A Webinar:

Chris Smith speaking:

Payout Update:

(Sorry I joined 2 minutes late) Chris was mid-sentence.
... Raises red flags when you try to send over 8 figures in small period of time. We can't send a wire without raising eyebrows. Because of these lmitations, before we were using the BB card.. now we are behind in payouts. Its no secret. What we decided to do is, based on the money sitting in the eWallets, rather than continuing the way we've done and being 8 weeks late.. we have decided to do partial payouts on a weekly or bi-weekly basis, until we get caught up. This will give people a chance to get caught up.

For example, if you withdrew $1,000 and you get a partial payment, this will appear in the log as a partial payment. the theory behind this is the best we have right now, to get the payouts all caught up and get payouts going on a more frequent payment schedule.

This will begin this week. Payza will be first, STP will be next, beginning this week.

We appreciate your patientce. we know people are in need of payouts, and we know this. We understand. Please understand that there are emails that I cannot possibly personally respond to, there are only so many hours in the day.

I understand your problems and we are addressing them as quickly as we can. We are doing all we can do on our side to facilitate this.

Panel Movement:

Last week and this week we had some server problems, and we were able to migrate to a new server. the problem with the new server has to do with how the engine was structured. The BB application (software) version 2.9, there are several components. the sales engine is kind of separated, and once we did the port to the new server, we need to reconnect everythng to work in harmony. this reconnection has not been completed, that's why you have not seen the visal display of the movement. Your ad space sales are moving forward. Your visual display will JUMP to where it needs to be when you are able to see the display visually. Do not worry. The programmers are working on this as fast as they can, and this should be completed at the beginning of the week.

Caching of the System:

You may see weird/strange results. Example: if you qualify a panel and cannot see it properly yet. This is due to server caching. In order to display everything quicker for you, we store this on the server. Server site caching (techy stuff). The negative side of this is that what you may be seeing may not be fresh. It works well on all the other pages, but the panel pages are not working as we planned. We need to adjust this so you can see fresher data as quickly as possible. this is all a load on the server. So if you see anything that doesn't look normal, we are aware of this. I have just explained the global answer to this. We will be relaxing the caching and the display problem will be fixed.

Server uptime:

We are now more stable in our new server. We did have a few blips, caused by the enormous amount of traffic. We should be more stable now and be able to stay up more.

Tickets for Niagara:

Ticket purchases should be available this week coming.

BB Millionaires club awards at the convention. We are looking forward to all the festivities we have planned for you.

Make sure you get your tickets and travel plans and passport taken care of in time to attend.

Q&A:

We mentioned that we will be going live April 1st with the TP allotment, the 1:3 ratio. This has been POSTPONED..

THIS WILL NOT BE HAPPENING ON APRIL 1st. THIS HAS BEEN POSTPONED

Seeing odd things on your screen: explained the "caching" above.

Bank Deposits for US?? That is available at this point.

Panel movement? explained above.

In order for the complimentary panels to move you have to have active campaigns. You can use a BB campaign and banners.

Is there training on campaigns? we will be having webinars throughout the week for training. Watch your website for these and register.

What is the partial payout? We will divide it out among all waiting payouts.. No set percentage.

Can we buy tickets through eWallet? No, only Credit Card or STP

We want more communication? This is necesary on our part. We attempt to do this as often as possible. This webinar was originally cancelled due to the holiday, but I decided to do it anyway. We are trying to communicate more with members.

Alternative card programs: we are looking at many options. Please send in your suggestions if you have a good option. WE know this needs to happen and will be doing this shortly.

Lots of repeat questions.

Thank you so much. We still have a full house here. we appreciate your time and effort with BB. I wish you all a Happy Easter. STay strong.. keep promoting BB. We love all of you.

[ribshaw]

What on earth "red flags" is he talking about moving money unless it is illegal money being moved. "Eight Figures" is nothing for a company claiming $4,000,000 A DAY in revenue. Partial Payments? Anyone who still thinks this is a real business?

[ASRox]

Well this was written by an affiliate but it doesn't surprise me if Chris used those words. Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch the webinar and miss him sounding like the police have let off the dogs.

[Gregg]

I just did a very quick equation and figure my company has a weekly payroll of $100,000,000 give or take. We get paid either the 1st & 15th or every Friday and not only have I never missed a payday my direct deposit is in my bank the day before the official pay date,

[ribshaw]

I just did a very quick equation and figure my company has a weekly payroll of $100,000,000 give or take. We get paid either the 1st & 15th or every Friday and not only have I never missed a payday my direct deposit is in my bank the day before the official pay date,

I have moved money all week to pay bills and several larger chunks from various places for business and personal taxes. No problems anywhere, even bought some crap from EBAY with paypal that went through just fine. These people are nuts, I think the ONLY time I don't do things electronically is when I am in a restaurant where I would rather not hand over my credit card.

Chris is treating his affiliates like they are children who know nothing of the world of computing.

[Theseus]

What on earth "red flags" is he talking about moving money unless it is illegal money being moved. "Eight Figures" is nothing for a company claiming $4,000,000 A DAY in revenue. Partial Payments? Anyone who still thinks this is a real business?

The very fact that the amount affiliates have been able to withdraw in a given timeframe is always the maximum allowed before anti-money laundering reports need to be filed should be the biggest "red flag" of all. No legitimate company should have any issues with their "compliance" department ensuring that all the necessary paperwork was completed.

I think we can safely say that BB is effectively dead, it may stumble on for a while longer with ever more "server issues" or "payment delays", but anyone thinking they'll be drawing even the meagre income BB claim the average affiliate receives, for the rest of 2013 is in for a nasty shock.

[Joe_Shmoe]

If eyebrows are raised all Chris Smith (or whatever his name is) has to do is just show the the authorities where the money came from.
That shouldn't be a problem for you Chris? Should it? Should it? :RpS_smile:

[AshKen1]

I have moved money all week to pay bills and several larger chunks from various places for business and personal taxes. No problems anywhere, even bought some crap from EBAY with paypal that went through just fine. These people are nuts, I think the ONLY time I don't do things electronically is when I am in a restaurant where I would rather not hand over my credit card.

Chris is treating his affiliates like they are children who know nothing of the world of computing.

I think your last sentence could have an additional bit...

"Chris is treating his affiliates like they are children who know nothing of the world of computing and zero about money."

As LRM would say, the remaining affiliates who believe they will get lots from here are the ones who are the most gullible. Ready to be fleeced and they have been.

:RpS_sad:

[Theseus]

You know what I find the most distasteful thing about all of this? Not that they've fleeced a lot of greedy people, or even that they've done likewise to many ordinary folks who were just after a bit of extra income, no. What really galls me is that they've headed to Cyprus to steal every last penny they can from people who are one step away from desperation.

What's the bet they'll be accepting cash at the Cypriot presentations? I hope the local Customs will be checking Smith and Dixit's bags carefully when they leave.....

[HARRISON]

You know what I find the most distasteful thing about all of this? Not that they've fleeced a lot of greedy people, or even that they've done likewise to many ordinary folks who were just after a bit of extra income, no. What really galls me is that they've headed to Cyprus to steal every last penny they can from people who are one step away from desperation.

What's the bet they'll be accepting cash at the Cypriot presentations? I hope the local Customs will be checking Smith and Dixit's bags carefully when they leave.....

Raj may have changed his name to his cult followers but to me he is definitely DIKSHIT:watching_you:

[Newto]

What I don't get is their strategy. Why do they start making admissions of being cash strapped. Why not continue with lame excuses for a week or three or five longer and then when the mob goes to the streets make an disappearing act. Or will they actually make some (half) payments in the hope to keep the show on the road just that bit longer.

[Ken Roklin]

If eyebrows are raised all Chris Smith (or whatever his name is) has to do is just show the the authorities where the money came from.
That shouldn't be a problem for you Chris? Should it? Should it? :RpS_smile:


Or, BB could do what every other legitimate business does when they operate internationally. Open offices and bank accounts in the country in which they are doing business and pay them via direct deposit in their local currency. No big deal, for companies operating a legitimate business. Having said that, since BB has no staff (for obvious reasons) that creates a problem as the affiliates are now discovering with the delayed payments, partial payments or no payments.

BTW, where are all the BB IT people that are working on their server problem? They mus be referring to Stellar Point staff as the only office BB has is in Isle of Man and I doubt they have any staff there.

[johnojohno]

They mus be referring to Stellar Point staff as the only office BB has is in Isle of Man and I doubt they have any staff there.

There are no offices in the Isle of Man. As far as I know, the address in parliament street in Ramsey is an accountancy firm.

Last time I walked through Ramsey, I didn't notice the head quarters of one of the worlds largest invisible online advertising..urm...I don't even know what to call them!

http://portal.gov.im/pvi/CompanyDetails.aspx?company=124375C

http://www.stricketts.com/

[Theseus]

There are no offices in the Isle of Man. As far as I know, the address in parliament street in Ramsey is an accountancy firm.

Last time I walked through Ramsey, I didn't notice the head quarters of one of the worlds largest invisible online advertising..urm...I don't even know what to call them!

Companies registry public view (http://portal.gov.im/pvi/CompanyDetails.aspx?company=124375C)

Strickett & Moore Accountancy Services Ltd (http://www.stricketts.com/)

It's what's known as a Brassplate address.


brassplate company

Definition

Firm without any 'real' existence other than a brass nameplate (on a panel with other nameplates) at its registered (legal) address. Accounting and legal firms (especially in tax havens) rent their street addresses as the registered offices of brassplate firms.

[caecilius]

Hi everyone.

Just thought I'd share some successes I've had recently in reaching potential victims out. I recently posted my latest blog article on my Facebook account wall, and immediately, that same evening, I was contacted by 2 of my FB friends who had been approached about joining BB but hadn't yet done so, and just read my post, which stopped them from going ahead! One of them was particularly enthusiatic about spreading the word back to all those who've tried to get him involved.

I was later approached by another guy - a BB affiliate - who'd come across my post from another channel (I think from the Banners Broker Ponzi Scam FB page), and it confirmed his growing suspicions that it is a ponzi.

Another friend messaged me that his sister was in it, and he'd sent her the link to my post, but unfortunately she just replied with the latest excuses put out by Terry Stern. Oh well - one can but try.

Wondering how others have gotten on educating potential or existing victims? Any success?

Michael

[Newto]

I have posted your article in our local BB FB page and a storm broke out. I shall be burned at the stakes, well at least blocked from that group.

No luck there.:RpS_sad:

[ribshaw]

I have posted your article in our local BB FB page and a storm broke out. I shall be burned at the stakes, well at least blocked from that group.

No luck there.:RpS_sad:

Nice work Michael, all I can report is being banned from a few walls, utube channels, and getting treated like goo. LOL, but one of our fellow RSers told me that they were able to stop someone from making a 5 figure deposit to BB. If law enforcement won't step in, know that your article is making a dent in recruiting.

On a technological note, it would appear Amazon and Now EBAY allow funds to be transferred with 1 mouse click from a credit card or Paypal account. I am shocked that a computer wiz like Chris Smith is trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to paying his folks the money they are owed. BBrs, maybe bring up this mystical power now available on the interwebs.

[okosh]

If you are ever on a phone call that gives you options, IGNORE them and wait. Nine times out of ten the call goes STRAIGHT through to a real person.

In India or the Philippines....Never a real person in your own country :pulling_hair_out::RpS_cursing:

[Dreamstealer]

Hi everyone.

Just thought I'd share some successes I've had recently in reaching potential victims out. I recently posted my latest blog article on my Facebook account wall, and immediately, that same evening, I was contacted by 2 of my FB friends who had been approached about joining BB but hadn't yet done so, and just read my post, which stopped them from going ahead! One of them was particularly enthusiatic about spreading the word back to all those who've tried to get him involved.

I was later approached by another guy - a BB affiliate - who'd come across my post from another channel (I think from the Banners Broker Ponzi Scam FB page), and it confirmed his growing suspicions that it is a ponzi.

Another friend messaged me that his sister was in it, and he'd sent her the link to my post, but unfortunately she just replied with the latest excuses put out by Terry Stern. Oh well - one can but try.

Wondering how others have gotten on educating potential or existing victims? Any success?

Michael

They are often hard nuts to crack. One of my friends tried to recruit another but i stopped it last year. The first friend rang me two days ago almost in tears because the penny finally dropped. Another friend is still a true believer, she has recruited about 7-8 people in and is always banging on about the new BMW she is going to buy "next month" when her payments arrive. She has been saying this since December but still drives a 10 year old Astra. Still another friend is still in but wavering. Fingers crossed but in any case i have persuaded him not to recruit or pay in.

[AshKen1]

Hi everyone.

Just thought I'd share some successes I've had recently in reaching potential victims out. I recently posted my latest blog article on my Facebook account wall, and immediately, that same evening, I was contacted by 2 of my FB friends who had been approached about joining BB but hadn't yet done so, and just read my post, which stopped them from going ahead! One of them was particularly enthusiatic about spreading the word back to all those who've tried to get him involved.

I was later approached by another guy - a BB affiliate - who'd come across my post from another channel (I think from the Banners Broker Ponzi Scam FB page), and it confirmed his growing suspicions that it is a ponzi.

Another friend messaged me that his sister was in it, and he'd sent her the link to my post, but unfortunately she just replied with the latest excuses put out by Terry Stern. Oh well - one can but try.

Wondering how others have gotten on educating potential or existing victims? Any success?

Michael

Well done if you've managed to persuade people not to join.

I have been laying evidence of all kinds in front of a mate of mine who has been sucked into BB for thousands. Nothing, absolutely nothing gets in. He's completely brainwashed and is unable to recognise any truth at the moment. Even the last month of systems being down etc has not dented his almost religious fervour for BB. Having known the bloke for many years, I am now beginning to wonder if he's always been like this or whether it's a product of BB-dom.

I wonder if there are still people out there who know how to de-programme brainwashed ex-cult participants as I rather think we're going to need a lot of them quite soon.

[HARRISON]

Unfortunately, they are all programmed to believe that 'NEGATIVE' means 'UNTRUE'.

[littleroundman]

Where does your favourite ex Banners Broker member sit on the scale:


The five stages of loss and grief

* Denial,

* Anger,

* Bargaining,

* Depression

* Acceptance

[ribshaw]

Where does your favourite ex Banners Broker member sit on the scale:

You forgot, 6. Looking for the next big thing to make it all back and more.

[littleroundman]

Unfortunately, they are all programmed to believe that 'NEGATIVE' means 'UNTRUE'.

Worse, they're programmed to believe positive = good and negative = bad.

Which is bloody stupid.

If "positive' is always good, the world would be full of positive thinkers setting off to climb Mt Everest in their PJs.

A "real" business would have a balance of positive and negative thinkers to keep the airheads firmly anchored on the ground, instead of spending their days thinking positively about making 1% per day or some other impossible to deliver ROI.

[Gregg]

Where does your favourite ex Banners Broker member sit on the scale:

The five stages of loss and grief

* Denial,

* Anger,

* Bargaining,

* Depression

* Acceptance

*Stupid



Fixed it for ya

[littleroundman]

You forgot, 6. Looking for the next big thing to make it all back and more.

Nah, that's covered by #1:

"DENIAL"

[buckyuk]

Thought i'd give a little recap for anyone totally new to banners broker.

This is back to basics so its old news for any BB saga followers.

The Banners Broker Scam - Rare Honest Review - Page 11 - Money Making Experts (http://www.moneymakingexperts.org/f7/banners-broker-scam-rare-honest-review-288/index11.html#post1483)

[EagleOne]

So let's see if I've got this straight. BB claimed in the beginning it was the cash rich international company that had more money than it knew what to do with, so they decided to allow people to join their never heard of before ingenious business plan that was the first ever straight line cycler doubler. But that was just a disguise for their real business of being an advertising broker, and was headed by their math and IT genius Chris Smith. Which we now find out was the cover for their real business direct sales and blogging.

They said they had more ad space to broker than they had affiliates to purchase. According to them, they paid out more in commissions that any sales company in the history of all sales organizations. Now all of a sudden they are cash poor, but how can this be?

Hmm, I wonder if it is because their affiliates aren't blogging enough? Wait, maybe it is because the advertiser's don't like the color of their panels? Or could it be that the major pimps, err IC's were selling their downline their panels and not passing the money to BB? Nah, I'm sure their problem is just those pesky DDOS attacks and constant maintenance to their website that is causing all the problems. Hmm, maybe it is all of the above.

I'm just glad this is not a Ponzi or people wouldn't be getting paid, website would be down more than it is up, the authorities would be shutting down offices, their top affiliates would be already pimping their next Ponzi de Jour.....uh...oops never mind.

[Theseus]

So let's see if I've got this straight. BB claimed in the beginning it was the cash rich international company that had more money than it knew what to do with, so they decided to allow people to join their never heard of before ingenious business plan that was the first ever straight line cycler doubler. But that was just a disguise for their real business of being an advertising broker, and was headed by their math and IT genius Chris Smith. Which we now find out was the cover for their real business direct sales and blogging.

They said they had more ad space to broker than they had affiliates to purchase. According to them, they paid out more in commissions that any sales company in the history of all sales organizations. Now all of a sudden they are cash poor, but how can this be?

Hmm, I wonder if it is because their affiliates aren't blogging enough? Wait, maybe it is because the advertiser's don't like the color of their panels? Or could it be that the major pimps, err IC's were selling their downline their panels and not passing the money to BB? Nah, I'm sure their problem is just those pesky DDOS attacks and constant maintenance to their website that is causing all the problems. Hmm, maybe it is all of the above.

I'm just glad this is not a Ponzi or people wouldn't be getting paid, website would be down more than it is up, the authorities would be shutting down offices, their top affiliates would be already pimping their next Ponzi de Jour.....uh...oops never mind.

I wonder how many affiliates there really are....60,000.....70,000? According to the figures being bandied about there are that number in the UK alone, I'll guess we'll know for certain when they all start bleating to the media about how they've been ripped off....

[littleroundman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=JMj3_3FeNqY

Banners Broker Review - How I made over $22k in only 7 months !


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