Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

[Poyol]

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/spiderzilla/?src=search

Or HTTtrack

[samuel.r]

They better get busy on YouTube, about 358 results
Anybody know the best MasterCard email address to send this screen-shot to?


Can I offer a suggestion?

Do not flood MC with more requests/alerts about BB. Trust me on this, you will end up annoying them. Any big company doesn't like being told what to do, MC is no different.

You guys need to let this process work without piling on.

Of course I have no right to manage you and you can do what you want to do, but sometimes a single conversation is better than the roar of a crowd.

[noname999]

Good point.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Okay will give it a week or two (If Banners Broker last that long) :RpS_smile:
Take a note of the 358 result. Be interesting to see if it comes down much.

[Whip]

It should have been expected with leaders like strosedog blogging about it.


May 21, 2012

Hi Dirson,

Once again thanks for the regular updates! You’re doing an awesome job and we love you for that.
strosdegoz

May 21, 2012 at 8:07 am

You’re Welcome. It’s my pleasure.

So now we link another name to him - Dirson?

Banners Broker Is GONE (Scam Warning) - DoNothingMoney Blog*|*DoNothingMoney (http://blog.donothingmoney.com/banners-brokers-gone-scam-warning/2/)


Hi Dirson,

Once again thanks for the regular updates! You’re doing an awesome job and we love you for that.

This jackass is thanking himself? lol.

[Whip]

I see the giant has been awakened (MC). My guess is this was a shot across the bow and they are going to tell Vector to cease/desist with BB or lose their credentials. The way these big companies work is plodding and slow sometimes, but they have to do it a certain way to make sure it 'sticks'.

That Dirson guy - be careful. He makes many good points but he has zero credibility because he obviously has an axe to grind with BB (he got kicked out a long time ago). I personally would not cite him in my thesis, if you know what I mean.

scammers getting kicked out by scammers = always funny.

[Whip]

sanctions against our program

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/376a.gif

Is 'sanction against' code for sue? They could only hope that was all they could do.

[noname999]

Just saw the first of the excuses...mastercard are confused...:duh:

[Poyol]

Ha! I hope they see that!

[noname999]

I presume they are going to have to come up with something better than that infantile excuse...

[noname999]

Never checked earlier on twitter. Was there many tweets, did anyone notice? There are very few now.

Also, anyone familiar with someone called John Hopkins?

[laidback]

Dirson Jimenez

Dirson (strosdegoz) jimenez santana, Network marketer at Home | SlideShare (http://www.slideshare.net/strosdegoz)

Actually, his full name is Dirson Eduardo Jimenez Santana. He is a pimp from way back and has a large downline.

[JordanBright]

Some funny comments on TalkingBB-

http://i.imgur.com/I7l0y.png

http://i.imgur.com/khCBm.png

And look at that thread + posts in it -

http://i.imgur.com/M0sxD.png
http://i.imgur.com/3xIhZ.png
http://i.imgur.com/4ffhP.png
http://i.imgur.com/wQ1ge.png
http://i.imgur.com/c3KB2.png
http://i.imgur.com/cOKuU.png
http://i.imgur.com/Wc64N.png

3 things -

1. as you can see jamie is lying about ICF look at the first pic and then at the last one and see what greg wrote.
2. can anyone search about ICF?
3. look at jamies youtube page, he does not look like he have 3.1M$ in banners broker or even a 1M in his pocket..

[JordanBright]

http://bannersbroker.com/images/important-letter.pdf

[PPBlog]

http://bannersbroker.com/images/important-letter.pdf

In 2009, the BizAdSplash "program" that rose after the fall of ASD/GoldenPandaAdBuilder started to feel some MasterCard-related heat:

News And Notes: Surf’s Up Poster Calls For ‘Militia’ To Rise Against Government; BizAdSplash Urges Members Not To Contact MasterCard Vendors (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2009/06/07/news-and-notes-surfs-up-poster-calls-for-militia-to-rise-against-government-bizadsplash-urges-members-not-to-contact-mastercard-vendors/)

Of course, credit card related concerns also surfaced in the Imperia Invest IBC caper targeted at people with hearing impairments.

BULLETIN: SEC Gains Asset Freeze, Seeks Shutdown Of Imperia Invest In Emergency Action; Program Pitched On Same Ponzi Forums Promoting MPB Today; Agency Says Imperia Defrauded Thousands Of Deaf Americans (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/10/07/bulletin-sec-seeks-shutdown-of-imperia-invest-in-emergency-action-program-pitched-on-same-ponzi-forums-promoting-mpb-today-agency-says-imperia-defrauded-thousands-of-deaf-americans/)

And the FBI director has expressed concerns about certain types of prepaid debit cards:

FBI CHIEF: ‘Major Threats’ Emerging From ‘Stored Value’ Debit Cards And ‘Shell Corporations’; ‘Shadow Banking System’ Has Exploited Vulnerabilities (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/03/19/fbi-chief-major-threats-emerging-from-stored-value-debit-cards-and-shell-corporations-shadow-banking-system-has-exploited-vulnerabilities/)

PPBlog

[Char]

[QUOTE=JordanBright;29613]Some funny comments on TalkingBB-

[In Dumb and Dumber after Lloyd trades the van in for a moped]
Harry: Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!

They aren't scammers on talkingBB, they're just plain dumb!

[JordanBright]

[QUOTE]

[In Dumb and Dumber after Lloyd trades the van in for a moped]
Harry: Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!

They aren't scammers on talkingBB, they're just plain dumb!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo-YVqV0v4Q

:)

[samuel.r]

http://bannersbroker.com/images/important-letter.pdf

Never seen an official letter from any company "signed" with the company name. Why doesn't it say "Chris Smith, CEO Banners Broker International" with a scan of his signature -- like any other corporate communication?

Nothing about this company makes sense.

[JordanBright]

Never seen an official letter from any company "signed" with the company name. Why doesn't it say "Chris Smith, CEO Banners Broker International" with a scan of his signature -- like any other corporate communication?

Nothing about this company makes sense.

"Nothing about this company makes sense" that's the new slogan for banners broker.

[Whip]

Never seen an official letter from any company "signed" with the company name. Why doesn't it say "Chris Smith, CEO Banners Broker International" with a scan of his signature -- like any other corporate communication?

Nothing about this company makes sense.

Problem is you are looking at it like it is a 'company'. It's not and never has been. It's a scam.

[littleroundman]

And the FBI director has expressed concerns about certain types of prepaid debit cards:

As a side note, the issue of overseas issued debit cards is one of the issues which lead the Australian Govt. to form the "Project Wickenby" task force to deal with the issues of tax avoidance, money laundering and crime.

As a result of the efforts of the task force, software now exists to data track and match the use of secrecy havens and prepaid debit cards.

In fact, I am personally aware of several Australian HYIP ponzi participants tracked and prosecuted due to their use of such cards.

[laidback]

As a side note, the issue of overseas issued debit cards is one of the issues which lead the Australian Govt. to form the "Project Wickenby" task force to deal with the issues of tax avoidance, money laundering and crime.

As a result of the efforts of the task force, software now exists to data track and match the use of secrecy havens and prepaid debit cards.

In fact, I am personally aware of several Australian HYIP ponzi participants tracked and prosecuted due to their use of such cards.Fantastic! Tell the US authorities to borrow it...!

[EagleOne]

Anyone able to confirm if the UK address is real or fake? Is the phone number a real UK phone number?

[path2prosperity]

Actually, his full name is Dirson Eduardo Jimenez Santana. He is a pimp from way back and has a large downline.

He works with Carl Haavarldsen who makes his videos. Carl is a bigger pimp of longer standing from the notorious Adlandpro community than even Dirson Santana.

Carl Haavarldsen

type http:// then this text. community.adlandpro.com/members/231557.aspx

[Poyol]

Eagle,

I have a contact of mine who'll be checking the address out in person this week -- he's going to take some photos and speak to the site office about them; see if they want to be linked with scammers.

I have also phoned the contact number a few times I haven't spoken to a real person once.

Jason

[littleroundman]

Coincidence ?? Virtual offices ?? Secretarial service ??


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[noname999]

This just posted on Talkgold.com regarding BB:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I asked above address for their opinion about BB and this was the respond.

I quote:

Thank you for contacting us. In regard to Banners Broker, we do not see this program lasting much longer. We see many red flags with regard to this program:

We checked their UK and Canadian office addresses, and we found they didn't exist.

They are doing selective payments, while trying to say that the members claiming they are not being paid are lying.

The banners are said to be running on a blind forum, but the members cannot see the ads that are being run.

The latest problem is their claiming their Master Card proves they are legitimate, but then had to tell members to pull all their ads claiming what corporate said about the Master Card program. When they did make their announcement, the letter was not signed by any officer of the company.

These are just a few of the problems we see with this program. We believe this program will probably collapse at the latest by December. One of the reasons is that we see most of the members pulling all their money out for the Christmas shopping season. We also do not see new money coming into the program until at least January, and no program can sustain itself without new money coming into the program for that long.

Now, this is just our best guess estimate. They are several factors that could extend this time line, but there is no doubt in our minds this is a Ponzi and it is just a matter of time until it does collapse.

We are telling anyone who will listen not to put any money into this program at this time. But it is your money and you can do as you think best. Whatever your decision, we wish you all the best.

Thanks again for contacting us.

Lynndel 'Lynn' Edgington, Founder/President
Eagle Research Associates, Inc. - Home Page (http://www.eagleresearchassociates.org)

[EagleOne]

Coincidence ?? Virtual offices ?? Secretarial service ??

Hmm, according to their website, their UK office is listed as:

Tradeforce Building, Room 8, Cornwall Place, Bradford BD8 7JT.

Houston, we have a problem.

[Poyol]

Hmm, according to their website, their UK office is listed as:

Tradeforce Building, Room 8, Cornwall Place, Bradford BD8 7JT.

Houston, we have a problem.

Lynne, you've just had a mention on TalkGold: (See Noname's post!)


Jason

[Poyol]

If you want to check
MARTINWILD.COM (http://www.martinwild.com)
and
ROSSWILD.COM (http://www.rosswild.com)

You'll see something quite interesting.

[noname999]

I never checked their sites. Much reference to mastercard on them?

By the way, check out the threads on scam.com. There is one very, very upset BB drone.:RpS_tongue:

[Poyol]

Nope, just a generic video.

Are they running, or changing to a different HYIP?

[noname999]

They could well be. I wouldn't assume anything yet though.

[Poyol]

We'll see!

[Poyol]

Let us take a look at Lynndel 'Lynn' Edgington, Founder/President, Eagle Research Associates

My oh my, 'Lynn' is also the man behind realscam.com ...

"Lynndel “Lynn” Edgington aka "LittleRoundMan" of RealScam.com (debunked)

If you are reading this and you want to take action against these cyber bullies, please print out all these pages and then ask the host of Realscam.com (RS) to disclose the .GZ archive files of the RS web logs. You may need to obtain a court order first. Hire an IT expert to do an analysis in order to establish sock puppetry activity first."

Source



The response given to KT 88 is drivel;


"We checked their UK and Canadian office addresses, and we found they didn't exist."

Anyone can make an appointment to be shown around BB HQ.


"They are doing selective payments, while trying to say that the members claiming they are not being paid are lying."

Where are all these people that have not been paid?


"The banners are said to be running on a blind forum, but the members cannot see the ads that are being run."

That old chesnut, why doesn't 'Lynn' put Banners Broker banners on his website, like this chap did?


"The latest problem is their claiming their Master Card proves they are legitimate, but then had to tell members to pull all their ads claiming what corporate said about the Master Card program. When they did make their announcement, the letter was not signed by any officer of the company."

We have all seen a copy of the transcript provided by Banners Broker, the content was with respect to third parties using MasterCard images.

So, who's going to listen to a court order at Real Scam?

Jaosn

[littleroundman]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/sorry.jpg

http://www.martinwild.com/ (http://www.martinwild.com/) ROSSWILD.COM (http://www.rosswild.com/)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/stepahead.jpg

[noname999]

That clown is an idiot who could find an argument in an empty room. All his claims are unsubstantiated. Stop wasting your time with him.

[JordanBright]

If you want to check
MARTINWILD.COM (http://www.martinwild.com)
and
ROSSWILD.COM (http://www.rosswild.com)

You'll see something quite interesting.

also - http://www.bbagent.com/

[littleroundman]

Let us take a look at Lynndel 'Lynn' Edgington, Founder/President, Eagle Research Associates

My oh my, 'Lynn' is also the man behind realscam.com ...

"Lynndel “Lynn” Edgington aka "LittleRoundMan" of RealScam.com (debunked)

If you are reading this and you want to take action against these cyber bullies, please print out all these pages and then ask the host of Realscam.com (RS) to disclose the .GZ archive files of the RS web logs. You may need to obtain a court order first. Hire an IT expert to do an analysis in order to establish sock puppetry activity first."

WHAT !!!

He's quoting MoneyMakingBrain (http://www.realscam.com/f22/official-moneymakingbrain-makes-fool-himself-thread-1113/)

Our favourite brain dead Frederick Mann supporter and Just Been Paid shill ???

WOW, just WOW !!!

[scratchycat]

WHAT !!!

He's quoting MoneyMakingBrain (http://www.realscam.com/f22/official-moneymakingbrain-makes-fool-himself-thread-1113/)

Our favourite brain dead Frederick Mann supporter and Just Been Paid shill ???

WOW, just WOW !!!

I got a laugh off that one also LRM!! He has also changed his avatar - looks ready for Halloween!:scared_1:

[Poyol]

Phil the Shill, I have been banned from TalkGold. I know you're reading this -- I don't need anybody to tell me what to say/do I act on my own accord -- though Banners Broker cheerleaders seem to have canned speeches/phrases "US Social Security is a Ponzi" etc

Anyone got any more TalkingBB posts?

Jason

[Char]

Anyone able to confirm if the UK address is real or fake? Is the phone number a real UK phone number?

Remember this address? This is/was their World Headquarters!! I called on it months ago and confirmed it was a virtual office.


QUOTE (allencork @ May 25 2012, 09:14 AM) *. Head Office: Banners Broker Canada, 100 King St W, Suite 5700, Toronto, ON - M5X 1B8 ...

Here's another one with names:


wealthmastry.com/index.php/.../banners-broker-company-informatio...Jun 25, 2012 – This information about Banners Broker company is very important for your due diligence. There is ... The company is owned by Chris Smith and Kul Josun with headquarters in Toronto, Canada. ... 100 King St W, Suite 5700, ...

[samuel.r]

Couple of things.

First have you guys seen the latest post over at that "moneymakinggroup" forum? Someone did put up a couple of screen shots of people complaining about still not being paid, after a real long time. One example was over 50 (!) of them not paid yet. I don't know how to do it but maybe someone here can grab those images and upload them here, for posterity? I have a feeling that this thread is going to become a treasure trove for civil litigation evidence, once BB shuts down and the angry masses are unleashed.

Second, I saw someplace else that members are not even allowed to mention "MasterCard" anymore -- they have to say something like "pre-paid card" instead. Talk about fear/panic - you can smell it.

Anyway, back to my real profession, making real money, legally ;-)

[Poyol]

Here are the images you mentioned.

[Char]

Regarding this Martin Wild promoter and any other local promoter for that matter, has anyone considered going to the local newspaper and asking them to do an article on this "alleged" hyip ponzi scheme? I think it would be of local interest especially if people are at risk. Reporting of facts should not be considered slander and public exposure, whether it be good or bad, comes with the territory of promoting. You can't have it both ways.

[Whip]

Let us take a look at Lynndel 'Lynn' Edgington, Founder/President, Eagle Research Associates

My oh my, 'Lynn' is also the man behind realscam.com ...

"Lynndel “Lynn” Edgington aka "LittleRoundMan" of RealScam.com (debunked)

If you are reading this and you want to take action against these cyber bullies, please print out all these pages and then ask the host of Realscam.com (RS) to disclose the .GZ archive files of the RS web logs. You may need to obtain a court order first. Hire an IT expert to do an analysis in order to establish sock puppetry activity first."

Source



The response given to KT 88 is drivel;


"We checked their UK and Canadian office addresses, and we found they didn't exist."

Anyone can make an appointment to be shown around BB HQ.


"They are doing selective payments, while trying to say that the members claiming they are not being paid are lying."

Where are all these people that have not been paid?


"The banners are said to be running on a blind forum, but the members cannot see the ads that are being run."

That old chesnut, why doesn't 'Lynn' put Banners Broker banners on his website, like this chap did?


"The latest problem is their claiming their Master Card proves they are legitimate, but then had to tell members to pull all their ads claiming what corporate said about the Master Card program. When they did make their announcement, the letter was not signed by any officer of the company."

We have all seen a copy of the transcript provided by Banners Broker, the content was with respect to third parties using MasterCard images. Poor drain can't do it himself so he's trying to con someone else into doing his work. lol.
What is this turd poster's name so we can start the collection of moneydownthedrain's alias'?


So, who's going to listen to a court order at Real Scam?

Jaosn

[Poyol]

I think I'll be emailing a few local newspapers now.

Thanks for the idea, Char.

Jason

[Whip]

Phil the Shill, I have been banned from TalkGold. I know you're reading this -- I don't need anybody to tell me what to say/do I act on my own accord -- though Banners Broker cheerleaders seem to have canned speeches/phrases "US Social Security is a Ponzi" etc

Anyone got any more TalkingBB posts?

Jason

Only all the same other ones they use in all their scams.

[Whip]

First have you guys seen the latest post over at that "moneymakinggroup" forum?

I think we need to start calling it what it really is.........moneygrabbinggroup or moneystealinggroup.

[Poyol]

I think we need to start calling it what it really is.........moneygrabbinggroup or moneystealinggroup.

Whip, let's keep with the initialism!
Money Misappropriation Group rolls well, do you not think?!

Jason

[noname999]

If you want to check
MARTINWILD.COM (http://www.martinwild.com)
and
ROSSWILD.COM (http://www.rosswild.com)

You'll see something quite interesting.

Okay, anyone click on those links lately? What do you see?

[Poyol]

Oh my, I wonder what is happening.

Jason

[JordanBright]

Phil the Shill, I have been banned from TalkGold. I know you're reading this -- I don't need anybody to tell me what to say/do I act on my own accord -- though Banners Broker cheerleaders seem to have canned speeches/phrases "US Social Security is a Ponzi" etc

Anyone got any more TalkingBB posts?

Jason

Look at the last page, I posted a big post from talkingBB, can you search for the ICF company (read about them in the post I made)

and here is a new post from talkingBB-

http://i.imgur.com/qyE0o.png

http://i.imgur.com/rLvVX.png

[Whip]

Whip, let's keep with the initialism!
Money Misappropriation Group rolls well, do you not think?!

Jason

lol. indeed.

[Poyol]

Looking at Alexa.com see below income figures for users of Banners Broker:

[JordanBright]

Looking at Alexa.com see below income figures for users of Banners Broker:

where is the 3.1M$ of Jamie?

[scratchycat]

Okay, anyone click on those links lately? What do you see?

Site is down in both. I took screenshots to upload later, too busy right now.

[Poyol]

Jamie hasn't actually earned that ... so it won't show up.
There may be $3.1 Monopoly dollars in his e-wallet though!

[Poyol]

One screenshot -- the other is similar.

[Whip]

Look at the last page, I posted a big post from talkingBB, can you search for the ICF company (read about them in the post I made)

and here is a new post from talkingBB-

http://i.imgur.com/qyE0o.png

http://i.imgur.com/rLvVX.png

whining posts about whining = always funny.

[noname999]

Where have the Wild boys gone? This prompts a question. Should we be making a list addresses/contact details for all the BB members that we have information on? I have a feeling their downlines will be very anxious to contact them quite soon...

[Poyol]

NikSpoon = AKA Nikki Kukral -- not a known scammer -- most certainly a shill though.

toast at the red square | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kukral_family/1708042742/in/set-72157602645316211/)

NikSpoon

[Poyol]

Where have the Wild boys gone? This prompts a question. Should we be making a list addresses/contact details for all the BB members that we have information on? I have a feeling their downlines will be very anxious to contact them quite soon...

I know exactly where the Wilds can be found.
I'll be sure to help anyone wanting to contact them contact them.

I've also asked the Manchester Evening News for an article about Banners Broker.

Jason

[noname999]

whining posts about whining = always funny.


This is the 'unofficial order' to stop making complaints, before the actual order comes. Does it still cost to make an official complaint?

[littleroundman]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/network.jpg

(http://<font color=&quot;#0000ff&quot;><strong>http://www.martinwild.com/</strong></font>)http://www.martinwild.com/ (http://www.martinwild.com/)

[Julie Diligent]

I think I'll be emailing a few local newspapers now.

Thanks for the idea, Char.

Jason

Local? Naaah; go national, laddie!

Tip off the scambusting investigative reporters Penman & Sommerlad at the Daily Mirror. They did a piece on PropertyWikia, the grand deception perpetrated by Anglo-Czech serial scammer Timothy Koncar, aka Julian Vincent, aka Brian Thomas, aka Jim Portman. (Aka Tim Green and others in previous scams.)

See: propertywikia - Investigations (http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/cgi-bin/mt425/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=49&search=propertywikia)

[Poyol]

Contact Penman and Sommerlad
USE THE FORM BELOW TO CONTACT INVESTIGATE

Thank you for using this form to contact us. We can't promise to reply to every complaint. But this column wouldn't manage without vital intelligence from our readers.

Thank you!
Your message was successfully sent.

I have done as you suggested, Julie!

[Poyol]

Message me for an update; sensitive information given to those whom are interested.

Post back when you have messaged.

[JordanBright]

Message me for an update; sensitive information given to those whom are interested.

Post back when you have messaged.

sent a pm.

[noname999]

Message me for an update; sensitive information given to those whom are interested.

Post back when you have messaged.

PM sent to you

[path2prosperity]

Local? Naaah; go national, laddie!

Tip off the scambusting investigative reporters Penman & Sommerlad at the Daily Mirror. They did a piece on PropertyWikia, the grand deception perpetrated by Anglo-Czech serial scammer Timothy Koncar, aka Julian Vincent, aka Brian Thomas, aka Jim Portman. (Aka Tim Green and others in previous scams.)

See: propertywikia - Investigations (http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/cgi-bin/mt425/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=49&search=propertywikia)

That was a very good find Julie. The Daily Mirror is a tabloid but it is not the total gutter press in the same ilk as The Sun or The Daily Star. There have been some excellent journalists who started on the Daily Mirror.

I have bookmarked the site and I advise others to do the same. I might write to them about BoggyBoy Fiedur the owner of Adlandpro who threatens to sue Brits when he sells products like women's dirty knickers and sex videos with "she males" copulating.

[noname999]

also - BBagent | Click Here (http://www.bbagent.com/)

BBagent is back online now. They were just trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

[EagleOne]

Message me for an update; sensitive information given to those whom are interested.

Post back when you have messaged.

PM sent to you.

[EagleOne]

WOW! I feel like a movie star with all this attention at TG. What I am shocked about is they actually allowed my E-mail response to be posted. As much as they hate me, I figured they would delete it. But I do know they have no problem with Phill the Shill posting his tripe from MMB. Just too funny for words.

I am just surprised my E-mail response has not been posted at MMG. Since I haven't been there this morning, maybe it has by now.

Now I need to go check my inbox for our E-mail account and see if I got any hate mail.:RpS_lol:

[scratchycat]

One screenshot -- the other is similar.

Yes, but on Rosswild.com look at the top right-hand corner, says site is under construction.

1658

[scratchycat]

WOW! I feel like a movie star with all this attention at TG. What I am shocked about is they actually allowed my E-mail response to be posted. As much as they hate me, I figured they would delete it. But I do know they have no problem with Phill the Shill posting his tripe from MMB. Just too funny for words.

I am just surprised my E-mail response has not been posted at MMG. Since I haven't been there this morning, maybe it has by now.

Now I need to go check my inbox for our E-mail account and see if I got any hate mail.:RpS_lol:

Well you should feel very popular especially when they use resources such as MMB to get information!! :RpS_lol: They are very selective as to who can post links and who can't!!

Enjoy your hate mail! :RpS_wink:

[Joe_Shmoe]

I just did the same search I did yesterday banners broker mastercard I got About 309 results down from 358.
Looks like they made some effort to remove MasterCard related Banners Broker Ponzi promos, but still plenty more to do. :watching_you:

[WhostolemyID]

Still following this thread... I've got a newspaper contact at the Telegraph (UK) Financial - college drink buddy - and I've sent him some of the info. It's not his area, but he might well pass it on. (strikes me that I arrived on this thread rather merry, have a bottle in front of me now, and am now emailing a friend with whom I spent many nights sitting in a pub/club/gutter... hmmm).

Cheers to all. Still on a steep learning curve. I still wonder what the minimum investment is, and would itbe worth it for the hell of it? Probably not..... Anyway, off to prowl the web to see any developments.

[noname999]

Threads are getting quieter and quieter. Has some direction been sent out but the BB mothership?

[Slaughterhouse]

Whoa, I've read the whole 24 pages of tripe on this forum. You guys have set yourselves up as some sort of moral police. Oh look at me, I'm going to report BB to the local newspaper, oh no don't do that go national.. Seriously do you realize how pathetic you sound. Yup I'm in BB, do I care if they are a Ponzi, absolutely NOT, if I make some money and they go under so what. If I don't make some money and they go under so what.. But what if they are still around in 2 years, 3 years or even longer, I make money whilst you lot give each other mutual pats on the back for posting that someone did not get paid or their panels have not moved or that the HQ address does not exist.. Guess what guys, we don't give a damn. Don't try and dress this up under the guise that you are doing this for the benefit of those participating or contemplating in BB, you are here spouting off your drivel for one reason and one reason only, self gratification. Seriously thought, get out and get a life.. Now I know that a plethora of you are going to have some smart ass replies but guess what, again I don't give a damn. So after posting please reread this post.. I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN and neither should you, move onto something more important.. This ain't important, nobody's putting their life savings into this, me I put less into this than I put on the horses in a week so again, I don't give a damn..

[noname999]

If you don't give a damn, why did you post?

*edit, apologies, caught me in a bad mood. Retraction.

Seriously though, if you really don't care, why would you read the whole thread and why would you go to the trouble of posting?

[path2prosperity]

Still following this thread... I've got a newspaper contact at the Telegraph (UK) Financial - college drink buddy - and I've sent him some of the info. It's not his area, but he might well pass it on. (strikes me that I arrived on this thread rather merry, have a bottle in front of me now, and am now emailing a friend with whom I spent many nights sitting in a pub/club/gutter... hmmm).

Cheers to all. Still on a steep learning curve. I still wonder what the minimum investment is, and would itbe worth it for the hell of it? Probably not..... Anyway, off to prowl the web to see any developments.

Good for you. Getting big investigative journalists onto these scammers is the best way to tackle the crime wave.

[Poyol]

Slaughterhouse:
'I condone theft'

Fixed that for you£

[Slaughterhouse]

noname999 Thank you for the advice and duly noted, paragraphs in future.

As for posting, well you guys seem so hell bent on giving advice I thought I'd reciprocate, sort of kind for kind. No real malice intended, but seriously BB with either fold or flourish without all your efforts, just thought you'd like to move onto something more deserving of your your time and efforts

How did I do the paragraphs?

[noname999]

As, I said; apologies for the comment.

I think there is some merit in what we are doing. I know it is simply a gamble for you but others really see this as a business, a future. People are putting big sums of money into this thing and they will get burned.

[Slaughterhouse]

Ah Poyol, I just won a Million pound bet with myself.

Do I do I condone theft, well actually I do not but already you know me so well after just one post you feel you are qualified to make such aA statement. Kudos to you.

Yet again showing your judgmental character. You post on here all your findings as fact, BB post as fact, but guess what, I don't believe either of you, only time will tell who is telling the truth. As for finding the real truth on the net, forget it, it is not going to happen. But in the meantime if me and thousands of others are making money guess what, the truth don't matter until it happens.

Now just imagine you are (and god forbid the idea) wrong, BB remains for the next 5 or 10 years, imagine all the money that people could have made but were put off because of your crusade..

[noname999]

Can I ask you SH. How long you have you been in BB? And how did you come across this site/thread?

[Whip]

WOW! I feel like a movie star with all this attention at TG. What I am shocked about is they actually allowed my E-mail response to be posted. As much as they hate me, I figured they would delete it. But I do know they have no problem with Phill the Shill posting his tripe from MMB. Just too funny for words.

I am just surprised my E-mail response has not been posted at MMG. Since I haven't been there this morning, maybe it has by now.

Now I need to go check my inbox for our E-mail account and see if I got any hate mail.:RpS_lol:

Otherwise known as 'masterhate mail'.

[Whip]

Seriously do you realize how pathetic you sound.

Not as bad as your crying because you got in too late and can't get any money back.

[JordanBright]

Ah Poyol, I just won a Million pound bet with myself.

Do I do I condone theft, well actually I do not but already you know me so well after just one post you feel you are qualified to make such aA statement. Kudos to you.

Yet again showing your judgmental character. You post on here all your findings as fact, BB post as fact, but guess what, I don't believe either of you, only time will tell who is telling the truth. As for finding the real truth on the net, forget it, it is not going to happen. But in the meantime if me and thousands of others are making money guess what, the truth don't matter until it happens.

Now just imagine you are (and god forbid the idea) wrong, BB remains for the next 5 or 10 years, imagine all the money that people could have made but were put off because of your crusade..

and do you realize how much money will people lose if this will still be live for another 5 - 10 years? do I really need to remind you about Madoff's scheme?

[GlimDropper]

Whoa, I've read the whole 24 pages of tripe on this forum. You guys have set yourselves up as some sort of moral police. Oh look at me, I'm going to report BB to the local newspaper, oh no don't do that go national.. Seriously do you realize how pathetic you sound. Yup I'm in BB, do I care if they are a Ponzi, absolutely NOT, if I make some money and they go under so what. If I don't make some money and they go under so what.. But what if they are still around in 2 years, 3 years or even longer, I make money whilst you lot give each other mutual pats on the back for posting that someone did not get paid or their panels have not moved or that the HQ address does not exist.. Guess what guys, we don't give a damn. Don't try and dress this up under the guise that you are doing this for the benefit of those participating or contemplating in BB, you are here spouting off your drivel for one reason and one reason only, self gratification. Seriously thought, get out and get a life.. Now I know that a plethora of you are going to have some smart ass replies but guess what, again I don't give a damn. So after posting please reread this post.. I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN and neither should you, move onto something more important.. This ain't important, nobody's putting their life savings into this, me I put less into this than I put on the horses in a week so again, I don't give a damn..

Howdy Slaughterhouse, excellent choice of names for what you've posted by the way.

I know YOU don't care if you're participating in a criminal enterprise but there are some people who would. I'd sincerely like to thank you for spelling out so clearly the mind frame of a serial ponzi player. You know for a fact that every dollar that lands in your pocket in one of these games comes directly from the pocket of another person who joined the same program. And you don't care.

I want to thank you for your honesty. It's sometimes hard to explain to the people who accidentally wander into these things just how greedy and maliciously selfish a lot of their fellow participants really are. But you are a self admitted and unashamed example of the type of scum that makes it worth our while for us to warn people about.

You are garbage wrapped in skin and I thank you for your post. Welcome to RealScam.

[Slaughterhouse]

Noname999 I will answer your question if you can satisfy my question, what pertinence does your question have on the current conversation.

Whip, please, friend reread my post. I can assure you that there will be no crying, no sleepless nights, Noname999 picked up very quickly that this is a gamble for me.. I've been gambling all my life, crying about losses is very much a thing of the past, I only ever gamble with money that I can afford to lose and I can assure you if BB folded tomorrow it would have absolutely zero impact on my life, I will still go on a 3 week holiday next week with more than ample spending money. I have a philosophy borne from many years experience which will involve me smiling, having a drink with my wife and moving on with my life, but I thank you for your concern but it is unmerited.

[JordanBright]

Noname999 I will answer your question if you can satisfy my question, what pertinence does your question have on the current conversation.

Whip, please, friend reread my post. I can assure you that there will be no crying, no sleepless nights, Noname999 picked up very quickly that this is a gamble for me.. I've been gambling all my life, crying about losses is very much a thing of the past, I only ever gamble with money that I can afford to lose and I can assure you if BB folded tomorrow it would have absolutely zero impact on my life, I will still go on a 3 week holiday next week with more than ample spending money. I have a philosophy borne from many years experience which will involve me smiling, having a drink with my wife and moving on with my life, but I thank you for your concern but it is unmerited.

Wait one second, after Banners Broker WILL fall where do you think your I.D picture and number will go? will they just delete it?

[Julie Diligent]

You guys have set yourselves up as some sort of moral police.

Hmmm... now you come to mention it, Slaughterhouse... FRAUD VIGILANTES would be favourite. In fact, I can picture our new website and slogan, now...

TheFraudVigilantes.com - Exposing the scammers while the authorities doze

Think it'll fly?

[noname999]

Noname999 I will answer your question if you can satisfy my question, what pertinence does your question have on the current conversation.

Purely curiousity. Up until recently this thread has had very little traffic. People have been posting links on other sites and trying to spread the word. I just wondered how you had come to be here.
In relation to your longevity in BB. I am curious to know how long you have been in it, to get an idea as to whether you have your original investment out yet or not.

[noname999]

Just to put it out there, I see in the last few days, this thread is now receiving about 3 times as many visitors as the MMG thread on average. A tiny victory, but one nonetheless. Someone has to balance the incessant cheerleading and realscam is going some way to redress this balance.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Now just imagine you are (and god forbid the idea) wrong, BB remains for the next 5 or 10 years, imagine all the money that people could have made but were put off because of your crusade..

Bernie Madoff's Ponzi lasted about twenty years, didn't stop it being a Ponzi Scheme. (150 years imprisonment how does that sound?)

People have died 'cos of Ponzi schemes, again see Bernie Madoff''s case.

Contrary to what you think people will put their life savings into Ponzi schemes like Banners Broker, after all who wouldn't want to double their money?

How would you feel if your Mother, Father, Brother, Sister, Grandmother or Grandfather, lost their life savings?

The longer this thing goes on the more people will lose. More people will lose money than gain but I imagine you already know that.


Ponzi schemes are illegal and they are illegal for a reason.

PEOPLE REALLY GET HURT THROUGH PONZI SCHEMES

Okay it's late I'm off to burgle some houses (hope nobody gets hurt ) as long as I get mine that's all I'm interested in.
And Slaughterhouse don't come over all moral and tell me it's illegal 'cos your involved with something illegal also.

[Slaughterhouse]

GlimDropper, harsh words my friend.. Maybe I have over a bit glib and for that I apologize but your whole statement is based upon the fact that you are telling the truth about BB.

Now why on earth should I believe what you are posting on here. Obviously you firmly believe BB is a Ponzi and me I just do not know, only time will tell who is right. But from what I have read on here and what I have observed whilst being a member I'm more inclined to believing that this is nothing more than a witch hunt because to date you have not provided any absolute proof.

You also alluded to fact that I am Garbage wrapped in skin and a serial ponzi player, well actually this is the first time I have ventured into this type of business, I usually do the horses, but alas with your great experience you have perceived that I do this for a living.

Now given that, that is two of you on this forum who have made incorrect assumptions about me based upon little information I am even more so inclined to treat what you post on here with the appropriate caution.

[JordanBright]

GlimDropper, harsh words my friend.. Maybe I have over a bit glib and for that I apologize but your whole statement is based upon the fact that you are telling the truth about BB.

Now why on earth should I believe what you are posting on here. Obviously you firmly believe BB is a Ponzi and me I just do not know, only time will tell who is right. But from what I have read on here and what I have observed whilst being a member I'm more inclined to believing that this is nothing more than a witch hunt because to date you have not provided any absolute proof.

You also alluded to fact that I am Garbage wrapped in skin and a serial ponzi player, well actually this is the first time I have ventured into this type of business, I usually do the horses, but alas with your great experience you have perceived that I do this for a living.

Now given that, that is two of you on this forum who have made incorrect assumptions about me based upon little information I am even more so inclined to treat what you post on here with the appropriate caution.

I whould like to know, what do you know about banners broker?

[noname999]

@SH: I have to head to work but if we supplied you with some figures would you cast your eyes over them. I would like to get your opinion. They are real figures, and they more or less prove that BB is not making the required money out of advertising. Others on here probably know what I'm talking about. They might fill you in. Otherwise I will try later.
You sem to be very reasonable in demeanour so it might be nice to have a reasoned, affable discussion if you are interested?

[Slaughterhouse]

Noname999 I honestly cannot remember how I arrived here, it was from another forum but for the life of me I cannot remember where. I read a lot of forums about BB to try and get a balanced view of what is going on.

As for how long I have been in BB and satisfying your curiosity, it has no relevance to our current discussion and I there for respectfully decline to answer.

[Slaughterhouse]

OK before you guys all decide to have a go at me let me explain where I'm at.

Firstly I firmly believe that you believe that you are doing the right thing and warning people against BB. Now I know I came over a bit OTT in my first post and have already apologized for that fact but I'm in BB and can see both what you are saying and what they are saying. Now it is true I do not know if BB is a Ponzi or not but until I am given irrefutable evidence which as of yet I have not seen I choose to believe that there is strong possibility that they are not.

An example of what I am talking about is that I have read that there are no BB offices in Canada, at the same time I have read that there are people who have been to the offices. Who do I believe? I have put too little money into this business venture to warrant a plane ticket to Canada to find out for myself.

One thing is for sure given the efforts of people both on this forum and elsewhere if BB is a Ponzi then it will not last long and you would have all done a great job.

[GlimDropper]

GlimDropper, harsh words my friend.. Maybe I have over a bit glib and for that I apologize but your whole statement is based upon the fact that you are telling the truth about BB.

Now why on earth should I believe what you are posting on here. Obviously you firmly believe BB is a Ponzi and me I just do not know, only time will tell who is right. But from what I have read on here and what I have observed whilst being a member I'm more inclined to believing that this is nothing more than a witch hunt because to date you have not provided any absolute proof.

You also alluded to fact that I am Garbage wrapped in skin and a serial ponzi player, well actually this is the first time I have ventured into this type of business, I usually do the horses, but alas with your great experience you have perceived that I do this for a living.

Now given that, that is two of you on this forum who have made incorrect assumptions about me based upon little information I am even more so inclined to treat what you post on here with the appropriate caution.

Hello again SH, thanks for taking it down a notch. For the record I accused you of having the mind frame of a serial ponzi player and the post from you i quoted is a clear example. If BB is your first ride on the ponzi pony then bless you my son, but I've seen those exact sentiments in private messages and personal e-mails from several long time players who generally adopt a much different tone when addressing their downlines and new recruits.

So to the extent I was in error I own up to it. But understand something, some people do lose their life savings to these deals. If I owe you an apology it is freely given.

Proof that BB is a ponzi, absolute proof will probably never be available. Hell Andy Bowdoin admitted in a court of law that his Ad Surf Daily was a ponzi scheme (and is serving time as we speak) yet two of his followers are still trying to sue the government to get the program reopened.

You're a gambling man, you know how to weigh risks and you know that you'd be a fool to let your emotions run too far in front of your reason when taking a chance. Now imagine this wasn't your first time watching an online ponzi, imagine you've been doing it for years. You spot a company promising the same impossible rate of returns as all the other ponzies. You notice the same make huge profits for doing near nothing sales pitch used by all the other ponzies. Despite being such a prosperous and entirely legitimate opportunity the owners hide behind fake buisness addresses like a bunch of the other ponzies. And your years of experience in watching these things has taught you the typical boom bust buisness cycle all these things go through and it's gotten to the point where you can identify what lie the promoters will tell in what part of that cycle the same way an experienced machinist can identify what type of metal they're working by the color of the spark plume they see when they put that sample to a grinding wheel. If all of that fit with your perceptions and your experience, how much would you bet that BB wasn't a ponzi?

Do I know when BB will close? No. Do I know that it will close soon? Yes. If history is any indicator I doubt it lasts till Christmas. December is a black month for all ponzi games, a lot of people want to withdraw profits to pay for gifts and even more people are less likely to put fresh money into the program for the same reason.

If BB is up and paying people in January you are hereby invited to come here and bust my chops.

[Slaughterhouse]

Joe Shmoe you are telling me that I am involved in something illegal, if I thought or believed that for one second I'd be out and gone.

Here's my problem, you are all telling me that BB is illegal and a Ponzi, now given this forum and other sites proclaiming this fact why has BB not been shut down by now.

Surely the authorities would be so scared of the backlash from not listening to the anti BB movement they would have at least shut them down whilst they conduct an investigation. Where is the investigation, why are the authorities not listening to you?

OK now I'm going to come clean, until reading the most recent posts on here and in particular Joe Shmoe's post I did not realize what impact a Ponzi can have on people's lives. It sort of put me in my place and has given me a great amount to think about. I just did not really consider the fact if you guys are actually right and what impact my actions could have.

To that end I will now answer Noname999's question, I have not been in long and have so far not drawn or even made any money. Given that fact I know that as yet I have not hurt anybody and now have some serious thinking to do. I am not pig headed and if I am proven wrong then I will admit it and if possible do something about it.

[Slaughterhouse]

Glimdropper, thank you for your insightful reply.

Rest assured that if BB are still going in January I will not come and bust your chops because it will not prove you are incorrect about BB, just that you may have got the timing wrong.

More food for thought..

[JordanBright]

Joe Shmoe you are telling me that I am involved in something illegal, if I thought or believed that for one second I'd be out and gone.

Here's my problem, you are all telling me that BB is illegal and a Ponzi, now given this forum and other sites proclaiming this fact why has BB not been shut down by now.

Surely the authorities would be so scared of the backlash from not listening to the anti BB movement they would have at least shut them down whilst they conduct an investigation. Where is the investigation, why are the authorities not listening to you?

OK now I'm going to come clean, until reading the most recent posts on here and in particular Joe Shmoe's post I did not realize what impact a Ponzi can have on people's lives. It sort of put me in my place and has given me a great amount to think about. I just did not really consider the fact if you guys are actually right and what impact my actions could have.

To that end I will now answer Noname999's question, I have not been in long and have so far not drawn or even made any money. Given that fact I know that as yet I have not hurt anybody and now have some serious thinking to do. I am not pig headed and if I am proven wrong then I will admit it and if possible do something about it.

Let me ask you two questions -
1. did you put your I.D picture in BB system?
2. have you been less than 30 days?

if question 1 is no and 2 is yes I whould really advise you to get your money out, you got a 30 day money back from them, that is the smart thing you should to. check out banners broker, read a lot about them, in this forum and others and then make your call, if you still think it's worth it go ahead and do as you think is the best for you BUT if you now have a lot of unanswered questions - don't go in (the better choice)

I'm also first time in this kinda stuff and read a lot about the company, but not in the right places, not in the places where people want you to come in and sign up under them, after the 30 days passed I started looking a lot more about banners broker and started to see the truth about this "company" and the management that they have, I am not in the process of getting the first invesment back and then to close my account, the I.D picture will still be in the hands of those scums but there is nothing I can do about it more then to warn people like you to not put money into it.

Good Night.

[GlimDropper]

SH, when I once said thank you with irony I now say it with conviction.

It isn't really important to me if this site can change any individual's mind what is important is this site exists to present the other side of the argument. There are thousands of hype (and HYIP) merchants out there and entire forums devoted to helping them find people and their money. You need to take care if you want to speak the truth there because, through not only my own personal experience but those of many around here, those forums will ban your ass for presenting the other side.

I was cross in my first post to you. Based on what you said at the time I felt you had it coming. I'm glad you've given me cause to change my tone. One important point, I never even considered banning you. You only get banned here for spamming or for repeatedly breaking the rules. Unlike the forums devoted to promoting these schemes we have nothing to fear from a spirited debate.

And hell, one of these days someone might even prove us wrong about one of the scams we cover.

Let me repeat something I said before but this time with a different feeling. Welcome to RealScam Slaughterhouse.

[littleroundman]

Here's my problem, you are all telling me that BB is illegal and a Ponzi, now given this forum and other sites proclaiming this fact why has BB not been shut down by now.

Simple,

this isn't TV and that's what happens in the real world.

* Everyone knows the story of how long Bernard Madoffs' ran before it was discovered. Yet, it was only last week investigators admitted/discovered it had actually been running 20 years longer than previously thought.

* The 2 largest recent HYIP ponzis, AdSurf Daily and Zeek Rewards both ran for at least 2 years before the authorities moved in, AND forums such as REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) had been reporting them as scams for most of that time.

* Law enforcement is notoriously underfunded and undermanned, particularly since so many resources have been redirected to the "war on terror" and homeland security.

* Operators and insiders of HYIP ponzi scams are in the business of NOT being detected and deliberately make any investigation/s difficult.

In short, while your question is often used to proclaim the "legitimacy" of HYIP ponzi frauds, reality says it's an invalid proposition to suggest not being "shut down" equates with not being a fraudulent operation.

[laidback]

it's an invalid proposition to suggest not being "shut down" equates with not being a fraudulent operation.BRAVO! That's almost as good as the much overworked, " it's paying, therefore it's legitimate!"

[Joe_Shmoe]

Hi SH

Yes Ponzi schemes are very illegal.

In the UK and I suspect most other countries, ignorance (of the law) is no excuse (for breaking it).
If found guilty of breaking the law you will be punished. So if you think saying "I didn't know it was a Ponzi scheme" will save you, it won't.
However you probably won't get prosecuted unless you are higher up in the organisation. (Hi Ian!, Hi Jamie!)

As for "why has BB not been shut down by now?" It took over twenty years for Madoff to be found out. However I have a feeling Banners Broker won't quite last that long. :RpS_smile:
These things are like whack-a-mole knock one down two more pop up, if you look at the Talk Gold Forums there are hundreds of these HYIP things out there, the vast majority ponzis or other such scams, offering ridiculous returns on investments. (Ask yourself why the really big investors don't get involved in these "Businesses"?)

I suppose in the grand (ponzi) scheme of things Banners Broker is pretty small potatoes at the moment.
But whether Banners Broker is shut down by the authorities or it collapses of its own accord as these things always do many people will lose a lot of money.

If you want more clues, do some real due diligence and look into the background of Canadian Raj Dixit Banners Broker compliance officer.
TMF: Banners Broker / A fool And His Money... (http://boards.fool.co.uk/banners-broker-12595908.aspx?sort=whole)


Also an interesting search to try is Bernie Madoff bodycount (it includes his own son)

Bernard Madoff fraud victim committed suicide to avoid bankruptcy shame - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5503929/Bernard-Madoff-fraud-victim-committed-suicide-to-avoid-bankruptcy-shame.html)

I would stick to the horse racing at least that is legal (in the UK) :RpS_wink:

[Nourjan]

Usually Phill the Shill would have responded by now.Perchance he might gotten himself banned by the TG mods?


I really like this randymackenna guy .Is he a member here? I can't find any post by him here.

[littleroundman]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/temp.jpg

The way it is on Talkgold these days, he might have been guilty of not holding his tongue right as he typed or something equally as frivolous

[Nourjan]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/temp.jpg

The way it is on Talkgold these days, he might have been guilty of not holding his tongue right as he typed or something equally as frivolous

Didn't notice that .Need to get my eyes checked,obviously.

[Poyol]

My assumptions are only assumptions if you're telling the truth; you've already said that there is no truth on the net though, so ... am I right?

Secondly, where are my assumptions? My findings are probable based wholly on the research gathered and similarities to other well-known scams.

The way I see it, is if you don't care if it is a Ponzi and just want to make money you're stealing. Ergo you condone theft.

Just another shill trying to squeeze every last minute out of Banners Broker. The game's up, SH.

[Poyol]

And now this post is to welcome you to the forum.

I do hope you realise what you've got into, and I hope you can retrieve your money ... I can't.

[littleroundman]

Rest assured that if BB are still going in January I will not come and bust your chops because it will not prove you are incorrect about BB, just that you may have got the timing wrong.

More food for thought..

Believe me,

* when an "opportunity" is offering the sort of returns a HYIP offers, there is only one way to be "wrong" about it and that is to apply any sort of expected lifespan predictions to said HYIP.

* when an "opportunity" has its' own thread on the Talkgold AND MMG HYIP ponzi forums, there's absolutely no way it's legitimate. Talkgold and MMG don't do "legitimate"

[noname999]

@SH: If you want proof that this is a ponzi, its simple enough. The ads that Bb claim to be brokering don't exist. Not enough of them to return the promised earnings anyway. Have a look at these figures produced by Scin and Sam:

BB is using Yesup. Yesup has a ceiling of $1.25 Million per month. Given that the cost of 1000
impressions is $0.25 we have:

1250000 / 0.25 = 5 000 000 thousands of impressions. That is 5 billion impressions. Right?

Now we have the maximum possible capacity of impressions of Yesup. It would be reasonable to
assume that BB is not using the total capacity of Yesup. Even if BB is using 50% of Yesup's
capacity (that is 2,5 billion of impressions) the revenues would be something like $ 0,6 Million
USD.

What percentage do you think ends-up in the affiliates's pockets? Half of it? That is 300 000
USD per month isn't it?

Now divide that figure by 100 000 members and you will find the average earnings per member
per month. That is 3 US dollars.

PS. All the above under ideal circumstances and considering that BB is indeed a broker of
banners, which we all know deep down isn't true.

So if you look at the above it has to make you wonder...if there are only enough funds from advertising to pay out 3$ per person, where does the rest of the money come from? They are either engaging in some other activity that is producing funds, that they are keeping secret(highly unlikely - why would they), or they are using funds that have been invested by others.

[Slaughterhouse]

Hi SH

I would stick to the horse racing at least that is legal (in the UK) :RpS_wink:



Sound advice and one I intend to take.. This was my first and last venture into this kind of thing, had not even heard the phrase "Ponzi" until recently. Definitely not something I want to be involved in, I'll be shutting up shop and going to concentrate on the horses. I've read all your Posts/links and I now have a churned feeling in my stomach which usually indicates to me I'm not happy about something I'm doing.. Only way to get rid of it is to remove the cause, luckily because I'm in late it is very easy to do and I'll not have anybody going after me for lost money because I've referred no one. If I can get my money out then all good but if not so be it.

Now I'm not saying that you are right about BB, what I am saying is that there is a possibility that you are right and now having been made aware of the ramifications of such a scheme it is not something that I can participate in with a clear conscience.

I have now changed my opinion on how I feel about Ponzi's, I now care if BB is a Ponzi and for that reason just in case you guys are right I'm going to get out. Thank you for your help, colorful name calling and I wish you all the best in your fight. it is not a fight I wish to undertake for the simple reason I feel far too unqualified and the jump season is upon us and I have a lot of horse stats to pile through. Good luck and good bye.

[noname999]

Good luck SH.

@Jordan, sent you a PM.

[Poyol]

Glad to see you've had a change of heart, Slaughterhouse.

I apologise if you don't like the tone I talked to you in; yet I'm used to talking to shills who know exactly what the game is ... I made a false assumption that you were such.

Now, does anyone have any more TalkingBB posts/interesting posts from elsewhere? Heard anything on the grapevine etc?

Jason

[JordanBright]

Glad to see you've had a change of heart, Slaughterhouse.

I apologise if you don't like the tone I talked to you in; yet I'm used to talking to shills who know exactly what the game is ... I made a false assumption that you were such.

Now, does anyone have any more TalkingBB posts/interesting posts from elsewhere? Heard anything on the grapevine etc?

Jason

nothing from TalkingBB but can you check on the ICF company that raj have been in it?

look at that posts -

http://i.imgur.com/M0sxD.png
http://i.imgur.com/M0sxD.png
http://i.imgur.com/Wc64N.png

what is that 'ICF' company?

[Poyol]

Let me google that for you (http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=ICF+World+Homes+scam)

[Joe_Shmoe]

I like this section of one of the old ICF threads on worldlawdirect.com forum, People being told to shut up, be quite, making excuses etc, ring any bells?
However by this time it was too late.
When this happens to Banners Broker it won't worry Raj Dixit though he has seen it all before, he will just move on to the next big scam. (He is a great guy apparently!) :RpS_thumbsup::RpS_thumbsup:

ICF-World homes... Scam? - Page 83 - WORLD Law Direct Forums (http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/internet-hyip-scams/14537-icf-world-homes-scam-83.html)

[JordanBright]

I like this section of one of the old ICF threads on worldlawdirect.com forum, People being told to shut up, be quite, making excuses etc, ring any bells?
However by this time it was too late.
When this happens to Banners Broker it won't worry Raj Dixit though he has seen it all before, he will just move on to the next big scam. (He is a great guy apparently!) :RpS_thumbsup::RpS_thumbsup:

ICF-World homes... Scam? - Page 83 - WORLD Law Direct Forums (http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/internet-hyip-scams/14537-icf-world-homes-scam-83.html)

OMG -
this so called tru cash debit mastercard that i have is probly no good. it says icf rite on the front. no gain shares either. wheres our gain shares?

does that too ring any bells for you guys?

[Poyol]

OMG -

does that too ring any bells for you guys?

Nice find!

[Char]

Sound advice and one I intend to take.. This was my first and last venture into this kind of thing, had not even heard the phrase "Ponzi" until recently. Definitely not something I want to be involved in, I'll be shutting up shop and going to concentrate on the horses. I've read all your Posts/links and I now have a churned feeling in my stomach which usually indicates to me I'm not happy about something I'm doing.. Only way to get rid of it is to remove the cause, luckily because I'm in late it is very easy to do and I'll not have anybody going after me for lost money because I've referred no one. If I can get my money out then all good but if not so be it.

Now I'm not saying that you are right about BB, what I am saying is that there is a possibility that you are right and now having been made aware of the ramifications of such a scheme it is not something that I can participate in with a clear conscience.

I have now changed my opinion on how I feel about Ponzi's, I now care if BB is a Ponzi and for that reason just in case you guys are right I'm going to get out. Thank you for your help, colorful name calling and I wish you all the best in your fight. it is not a fight I wish to undertake for the simple reason I feel far too unqualified and the jump season is upon us and I have a lot of horse stats to pile through. Good luck and good bye.

Perhaps now you understand why this thread/website truly exists. Many of us have been or have had friends/family scammed before. In my case, a friend put $15,000 in adsurfdaily just before it collapsed. I was invited to also invest but thanks to a little research and common sense, I did not. Let me define common sense as I see it:

*Easy money with little work
*Notorious/habitual MLM types inviting you to meetings
*Ponzi forums
*No real offices
*Virtual products
*No proof of legitimate and normal business associations or customers
*Math doesn't jive
*And many more....

You will notice that I make no mention of the details regarding what BB is selling. That is a tactic to confuse and get you caught up in discussing the legitimacy of this fake business. If it meets the criteria above, it means trouble.

All these red flags have been there from day one but greed it very powerful. I'm glad you appear to have a conscience as we all make mistakes and frankly, these scammers are good at duping people - That's their business.

Banners Broker is a ponzi and maybe this forum has saved you from investing more of your money = Mission accomplished.

[Char]

Local? Naaah; go national, laddie!

Tip off the scambusting investigative reporters Penman & Sommerlad at the Daily Mirror. They did a piece on PropertyWikia, the grand deception perpetrated by Anglo-Czech serial scammer Timothy Koncar, aka Julian Vincent, aka Brian Thomas, aka Jim Portman. (Aka Tim Green and others in previous scams.)

See: propertywikia - Investigations (http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/cgi-bin/mt425/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=49&search=propertywikia)

But I also think that keeping it local is productive too. If the top promoters live in a particular town, they need to be exposed. It has been my experience that most of these types of people are habitual. It's almost like a drug, addictive, and they rarely learn their lesson. They will move from one MLM/Ponzi to the next and continue to recruit. Their egos are sky high acting like big shots and deserve to be punished - If not in a court of law, at least via public humiliation.

Yes, this is a harsh viewpoint but, it's the same damn people over and over again perpetuating these things.

[simples]

"But I also think that keeping it local is productive too. If the top promoters live in a particular town, they need to be exposed. It has been my experience that most of these types of people are habitual. It's almost like a drug, addictive, and they rarely learn their lesson. They will move from one MLM/Ponzi to the next and continue to recruit. Their egos are sky high acting like big shots and deserve to be punished - If not in a court of law, at least via public humiliation.

Yes, this is a harsh viewpoint but, it's the same damn people over and over again perpetuating these things."

I saw some of these on youtube while searching banners broker, will see if I can find them again and post the links

[simples]

opps hit reply before I had finished!

Was going to add, the ones I found seemed like they were only interested in themselves!

[scratchycat]

Usually Phill the Shill would have responded by now.Perchance he might gotten himself banned by the TG mods?


I really like this randymackenna guy .Is he a member here? I can't find any post by him here.

Phil the Shill has been temporarily banned but appears as his twin in Bill the Shill. Too funny!!

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Hi there, I am Bill, Phil's twin brother. As is a common phenomenon in twins, we're able to communicate telepathically. Therefore, any message posted here will be instantaneously communicated with Phil. Now we have the introductions out the way, where were we?

Ah yes, the pending withdrawal thread over on talkingbb. By the looks of things, Randy, the smell of fiction has been picked up by certain forumites, with no action being taken by the admins to curb any talk with regards to not being paid. Where do we go from here?

BannersBroker - BannersBroker.com - Page 108 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310809&page=108)

[noname999]

Anyone know anything about this crowd?:

www.crimebustersnow.com (http://www.crimebustersnow.com/)

[Poyol]

Anyone know anything about this crowd?:

www.crimebustersnow.com (http://www.crimebustersnow.com/)

NN, they're the good guys.
We're the Justice League to their Avengers ... hoping that makes sense!

[noname999]

Ha! I like it. Just wondering though. They are Canadian based yet can't find anything about BB on their site. Seems strange. They could probably check out head office etc over there.

[Poyol]

You can try and contact them, I don't know how active they are though!

Jason

[noname999]

Any update on the Wild boys? I'd hate to think they were going to leave just before the party starts...

[littleroundman]

Anyone know anything about this crowd?:

www.crimebustersnow.com (http://www.crimebustersnow.com/)

Dave is actually a member here: View Profile: CrimeBustersNow - RealScam.com - Is it, or isn't it? You Decide. (http://www.realscam.com/members/crimebustersnow/)

http://www.realscam.com/f17/any-one-have-historical-stuff-pigeon-king-international-1394/#post23802 (http://www.realscam.com/f17/any-one-have-historical-stuff-pigeon-king-international-1394/#post23802)

http://www.realscam.com/f17/any-one-have-historical-stuff-pigeon-king-international-1394/#post23881 (http://www.realscam.com/f17/any-one-have-historical-stuff-pigeon-king-international-1394/#post23881)

[noname999]

Thanks, good to know. Must ask him has he heard anything about this scam.

[Poyol]

Mr Wild has kindly informed me to 'get rid of all the ******* information off that website, that's my mother's address and you've scared a 77-year-old woman, you cretin'

So, that's his mother's address, guys. Though I didn't post it ...

[littleroundman]

WHAT'S "his mothers' address" ??

[Poyol]

A few pages back, his website is registered to Kingston Gardens, or something!

Jason

[noname999]

Just sent you a PM Poyol.

[noname999]

And another one P.

[path2prosperity]

Dave is actually a member here: View Profile: CrimeBustersNow - RealScam.com - Is it, or isn't it? You Decide. (http://www.realscam.com/members/crimebustersnow/)

http://www.realscam.com/f17/any-one-have-historical-stuff-pigeon-king-international-1394/#post23802 (http://www.realscam.com/f17/any-one-have-historical-stuff-pigeon-king-international-1394/#post23802)

http://www.realscam.com/f17/any-one-have-historical-stuff-pigeon-king-international-1394/#post23881 (http://www.realscam.com/f17/any-one-have-historical-stuff-pigeon-king-international-1394/#post23881)

Dave Thornton is one of the real pioneers in the scam busting saga. I followed him avidly in the pre RealScam days and I was astounded by his courage in the face of danger to life and limb. I am not sure why he is keeping a low profile but he must have good reasons for doing that.

He has surfaced from a long absence to continue his campaign against an outfit known as "Homes for the World International Inc" but he is obviously only working behind the scenes at present. I expressed deep concern about him in a RS thread and fortunately Kasey Chang was able to make contact with him, so that he could assure RS members that he was still alive.

News from Dave Thornton's Fight against "Homes for the World International Inc." (http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/internet-hyip-scams/38933-homes-world-international-inc-2nd-thread-4.html)

[noname999]

Just posted on MMG:


Only my 2 cents worth polyamore - doubt you will get an immediate resolution on this. It's a fairly serious issue which was brought to the attention of BB by "others" who will probably want to establish that things have changed before they give the 'all clear' to BB. Who knows, but can see that taking 15-30 days or more, tho hopefully sooner!

You are these sinister "others"?!:shocked:

[Whip]

Anyone know anything about this crowd?:

www.crimebustersnow.com (http://www.crimebustersnow.com/)

They're better than crime busters later?

[noname999]

:computer_smash:

[Whip]

Mr Wild has kindly informed me to 'get rid of all the ******* information off that website, that's my mother's address and you've scared a 77-year-old woman, you cretin'

So, that's his mother's address, guys. Though I didn't post it ...

Guess he needs to stop hiding behind her skirt.
Unfortunately, she doesn't even know unless he told her. She has no clue he used her alleged address. It's the typical scammer bullshit lie trying to intimidate.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Guess he needs to stop hiding behind her skirt.
Unfortunately, she doesn't even know unless he told her. She has no clue he used her alleged address. It's the typical scammer bullshit lie trying to intimidate.


I do hope old Mrs wild don't trawl the internet for mentions of her beloved son all day.
It wouldn't take long before she realised what a scamming, selfish, little **** he really is.
Now that would upset her!

[Poyol]

You should hear the message he left me; ask Noname, it's very threatening. Not in the legal sense either!

[noname999]

And very very very veeeeeery loooooooonnnnnggggggg. I nearly lost the will to live....

On a serious note though, this guy needs to be watched.

[Poyol]

I'll save a recording of it tomorrow. I know a few people who will like to listen to that.

Jason

[Joe_Shmoe]

YouTube Banners Broker mastercard search count for today About 300 results.
Not much of an improvement from yesterday. Banners Broker must do better or MasterCard will be down on them like a ton of bricks...

[Joe_Shmoe]

I'll save a recording of it tomorrow. I know a few people who will like to listen to that.

Jason
I wouldn't mind a listen.

[Poyol]

If you're in the UK message me :)

[littleroundman]

A few pages back, his website is registered to Kingston Gardens, or something!

Jason

Ah, right.

So, was it you who linked the website to his "mothers address" ???

Are people not supposed to research who's behind websites that are asking for money ??

Is that WHOIS information not obtainable in the public domain ??

Was it obtained by illegal means ??

Are people like Mr Wild suggesting it's O.K. for them to play illegal HYIP ponzis but not O.K. for others to know ???

What a strange morality the man has.

[JordanBright]

I'll save a recording of it tomorrow. I know a few people who will like to listen to that.

Jason

any chance you upload it to a site or something so I can hear?

[noname999]

More and more reports of delays...

Good job they have the excuse to freeze the accounts of those they cannot payout, due to lack of new money.

Take a look at the traffic to discussion sites(dropping), the negative slant on these sites, christmas only around the corner, mastercard awoken from their slumber, websites disappearing....need I go on.

Even to the 'least aware', its becoming obvious that this ponzi is falling apart. Even for the gamblers out there this long shot is just too long now. People are looking elsewhere. We can see, even from the one or two passing visitors that people are actually beginning to perform some due diligence now.

I know we still have the lurkers. You are still more than welcome to post here. I can't possibly see what argument you have defending this scam but would be interested to hear. But to be honest, your silence speaks volumes.

[littleroundman]

Even for the gamblers out there this long shot is just too long now.

Believe me, the professional HYIP ponzi players are long gone from this one.

As for the others, well, they're about to get a very expensive lesson in the realities of playing HYIP ponzi "games"

[noname999]

Very true. If you look at the signatures of some of the pro ponzi players. They are no longer even trying to recruit to BB. They have moved on to new scams. They know its over. About time the cheerleaders and drones realised the same.

[Poyol]

They don't want to believe it's over, 'cause when it is ... Their money is gone.

I didn't post any information about Martin Wild other than his web address.

From that message I may also be contacting the police for the offense Section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1998.

[littleroundman]

I didn't post any information about Martin Wild other than his web address.

Let's be quite clear here.

HE posted his web address on the 'net for all to see and HE attached it to an illegal HYIP ponzi scheme

YOU, on the other hand, merely reproduced what is already in the public public domain.

It is sheer madness for anyone to think it's possible to publicly promote HYIP ponzis in an effort to attract "new" money while simultaneously complaining at being "exposed"

[Poyol]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/sorry.jpg

http://www.martinwild.com/ (http://www.martinwild.com/) ROSSWILD.COM (http://www.rosswild.com/)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/stepahead.jpg

He's talking about your post, LRM!

[noname999]

Check out the new idiot on TG(bbinviter). Then check out his website, or more importantly, his 'proof of earnings'. People who have accounts with BB may be able to work it out better but those figures in his ewallet don't add up to me.
I would also like to point out that he claims to have withdrawn money in June, July and August. There is no withdrawal for September, and now we are in October. Setting off any alarm bells.
It also seems strange that this is his first post and he is in this programme for 6 months.
Anyway, I digress. Someone with a BB account may be able to clear it up. Do those figures add up to you?

[scinvestor]

The simpliest due diligence:

A gmail address for a multimillion company:

Administrative Contact:
Broker, Banner domainservice80@gmail.com
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107United States
(661) 770-9988 Fax -- (661) 770-9988


Company Name: FROEMEL ENTERPRISES, INC.
Status: Revoked Filing Date: 09/27/2002
Entity Type: Domestic Corporation File Number: C24160-2002
Filing State: Nevada (NV) Qualifying State:
Company Age: 10 Years, 1 Month List Due Date: 09/30/2008
Last Event Type: Last Event Date:

Principal Address: Mailing Address:

Registered Agent: Nevada State Corporate Network, Inc.
777 N Rainbow Blvd Ste 250
Las Vegas, NV 89107

Entity Name: AARDVARK TELECOM, INC.
Filing Status: Active Date Filed: 10/01/2004
Type: Domestic Corporation File Number: C26651-2004


Registered Agent: Nevada State Corporate Network, Inc.

777 N Rainbow Blvd Ste 250
Las Vegas, NV 89107

U.S. Asset Forfeiture & Seizure Auctions Inc.
Corporate Office
777 N Rainbow Blvd. Suite 250
Las Vegas, NV 89107ph: 702-932-1744
info@afsauctions.us

Cortera Company Profile For:
WEST COAST ESTATES LLC
777 N RAINBOW BLVD, STE 250
LAS VEGAS, NV 89107-1187 |

Real Estate in Las Vegas, NV

Prudential Amricana Charles Witt
777 N. Rainbow Blvd. Suite 250
Las Vegas, NV 89107 Phone:(702)860-2701

I could fill 20 pages....Need I go on?

[noname999]

So a virtual office for a 'multi-million dollar' business? And the drones just don't see it.

[Poyol]

Let me just say:

All information posted on this site that contain addresses are to be used to write to said person to ask for more information on Banners Broker.
In no way is this publicly available information to be used for illegal, or threatening purposes.

Information gleaned from the public domain/the Internet on companies involved in this business is for people looking to invest in this 'business'; I will allow them ease of access to do their own due diligence.

[noname999]

Question: Why did Martin Wild use his mother's address when promoting 'scammers brokers'?

[Poyol]

Guys, please check your PMs.

Jason

[noname999]

Have you contacted the police?

[Poyol]

Not just yet.
Think it warrants it?

[noname999]

Yes. Definitely.

[noname999]

Lets put it this way. It puts everything on record. This guy is threatening you, and not in a legal sense. By reporting it, you have made the police fully aware of the situation. Think of it this way, you will be protecting yourself and at the same time you will be giving greater exposure to BB. And we all know what exposure does to ponzi schemes.
I wonder how long it will be before BB cut poor Martin loose then...

[noname999]

YouTube Banners Broker mastercard search count for today About 300 results.
Not much of an improvement from yesterday. Banners Broker must do better or MasterCard will be down on them like a ton of bricks...

Still showing 307 results today. Banners Broker and Mastercard, two multinational companies working so closely together. Proving the legitimacy of each other...

And lets not forget the millions of hits on a google search...

[The Pied Piper]

Well well good afternoon everyone I've been watching this thread with great interest for quite some time :RpS_smile:

[Poyol]

Good afternoon, PP.

Nice to hear ... now, which side of the fence are you on?

Jason

[littleroundman]

Hiya, Piper, and welcome to REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com)

[The Pied Piper]

Ha ha ha ha not sure yet ,put it this way I'm in BB but have an open mind I have put money but not a King's ransom but enough to make me wince a little bit if it all went pear shaped. You are certainly on a crusade though eh?


Good afternoon, PP.

Nice to hear ... now, which side of the fence are you on?

Jason

[The Pied Piper]

Hello LRM how you getting on?


Hiya, Piper, and welcome to REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com)

[Poyol]

Ha ha ha ha not sure yet ,put it this way I'm in BB but have an open mind I have put money but not a King's ransom but enough to make me wince a little bit if it all went pear shaped. You are certainly on a crusade though eh?

I'm not on a crusade per se.
I just don't want to see innocent people losing their money; if this thread helps people not 'invest' in something that has a high probability to lose them money (at this stage in the game) then I will do EVERYTHING I can to help them.

Morals, I have them.

[The Pied Piper]

So what went wrong for you if you don't mind me asking?

I must admit some of your comments on here and other forums have the distinct air of "The disgruntled ex employee" about them however for the record I have stopped any attempts to recruit more people until I learn the absolute proof it is an illegal business.

I guess and appreciate that could mean I could log on one day and the website and my money are all gone :shocked: ha ha ha!!


I'm not on a crusade per se.
I just don't want to see innocent people losing their money; if this thread helps people not 'invest' in something that has a high probability to lose them money (at this stage in the game) then I will do EVERYTHING I can to help them.

Morals, I have them.

[Poyol]

What went wrong ... nothing.
I just didn't like the sound of it once I was in ... so I started posting on a website scam.com -- expressing my concern over Banners Broker being a Ponzi.

After I expressed this concern my account was 'locked at Banners Broker with the below message:


Your Account Has Been Locked

Your Banners Broker membership has been suspended indefinitely. For the reasons below you will be unable to access your backoffice, campaigns, panels or eWallet:


Negative Reflection of bannersbroker. http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=145048&page=14


In order to resolve this issue and restore your Banners Broker membership to good standing you must take the appropriate action(s) outlined below:


Delete content on forum. Contact BB Support

You can guess all you want, need I mention 'Zeek' for iteration on that point?

The similarities between these 'businesses' are exceptional.

Jason

[The Pied Piper]

I'm at the stage where I'll be happy to get my money back then I'm breaking even and possibly not have to learn my lesson the hard way.

I'm still torn in all honesty though think I'm leaning more toward something not being quite right. If I'm surmising right and they kept your money whilst closing your account that's very out of order?




What went wrong ... nothing.
I just didn't like the sound of it once I was in ... so I started posting on a website scam.com -- expressing my concern over Banners Broker being a Ponzi.

After I expressed this concern my account was 'locked at Banners Broker with the below message:



You can guess all you want, need I mention 'Zeek' for iteration on that point?

The similarities between these 'businesses' are exceptional.

Jason

[Poyol]

I'm at the stage where I'll be happy to get my money back then I'm breaking even and possibly not have to learn my lesson the hard way.

I'm still torn in all honesty though think I'm leaning more toward something not being quite right. If I'm surmising right and they kept your money whilst closing your account that's very out of order?

They kept the small $100 that I put into this, yes.

So, they've stolen a day's wage from me.

[The Pied Piper]

They kept the small $100 that I put into this, yes.

So, they've stolen a day's wage from me.

No they shouldn't of kept your money but to balance things I can't think of many companies worldwide legal or illegal that will put up with someone publicly badmouthing the company they are meant to be affiliated to!! I also think a lot of other companies will keep the money too. I'm not saying it's right but your negative comments probably cost them a lot more that $100

[Poyol]

If they turn out to be illegal -- and a Ponzi.
That's my $100 well spent/lost.

I'd rather spend $100 myself and save someone from losing $4000+.
I'm not a greedy man, the people who know what a Ponzi is; and who are recruiting people underneath them are greedy and criminals.

Jason

[Whip]

It's not a 'company'. It's a scam. When you actually work for a real company, they give you money called wages and would have every right to fire someone that badmouths them. Let's not confuse the real issue here.

[noname999]

Hi PP. Can I ask what research you did before investing? Also, how long have you been in?

[Char]

So what went wrong for you if you don't mind me asking?

I must admit some of your comments on here and other forums have the distinct air of "The disgruntled ex employee" about them however for the record I have stopped any attempts to recruit more people until I learn the absolute proof it is an illegal business.

I guess and appreciate that could mean I could log on one day and the website and my money are all gone :shocked: ha ha ha!!

Welcome and good for you for at least having doubts. I'd like to point out something to you but please don't take offense as the scammers are very good at making people think a certain way. It's not really your fault assuming this is what you've heard from up lines. I jump to that conclusion because it's one of the normal excuses you hear. I shouldn't presume you don't think for yourself. Here goes:

Would you call a "mother against drunk drivers" a disgruntled something or other?

Take issue with a police officer arresting some dude selling drugs near a school?

Do you get my point? Banners Broker was started by scammers - Always has been an illegal scheme. All, and I mean all, of the red flags are there and those who have seen this before are not fooled.

Poyol is on a mission to help stop a crime just like any advocate. It is the scammers that plant seeds to you suggesting that those who question their scam are jealous or disgruntled. When blinders are on, it almost makes sense and keeps people believing and giving money.

You should be thanking poyol. Apologies again if you feel attacked as it's not my intention.

[scratchycat]

Well well good afternoon everyone I've been watching this thread with great interest for quite some time :RpS_smile:

Hello PP and welcome to RS.

What do you think of this one from over at TG??


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littlewoundman
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Re: BannersBroker - BannersBroker.com

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Hello guys, I have been reading this thread with a great deal of interest. It has come to my attention that I have been wrong all along. You see, when I first started out trying to bust scams, all I wanted was some attention and internet notoriety. When I first set up my organisation, I made some YouTube videos, which have been available for the world to see for quite some time. However, my videos have only received no more than ten views each. This fact really got me down and realising that I was a rebel without a cause, decided to set up my own forum. Okay, I do tell certain people what to say on my forum, but, really, we are all like minded sad souls over there.

Up until Banners Broker came along, we didn't have a point of focus, thus, Banners Broker has given us a crusade which we can get our teeth stuck into. Without Banners Broker, many of us would have been resigned to joining our local Neighbourhood Watch scheme, where we could intrude into peoples lives unabated. After reading this thread, it has dawned on me what a destructive soul I really am. I can only apologise for my behaviour and hope that I can make a menz. My first port of call will be to make a public statement on realscam.com to try and get everyone to see the light and bring an end to this witch hunt. I do not know how the guys over there will take this news, but I am absolutely sure they will follow my lead.

Once again, please accept my humblest of apologies.

Thanks,

Lynn.

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[noname999]

'and hope that I can make a menz. '

What an idiot.

[littleroundman]

Clever though.

What do they say ?? "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" ??

Sounds about right.

[scratchycat]

Funny thing is moderators have removed the avatar and made this comment.



Stupid troll!!!!

Good thing I was able to get the screenshot. And you are right LRM, at first I thought is was Lynn and could not understand why he was saying these things - then I saw the name!!! :RpS_lol:

[Soapboxmom]

Attention Mr. Martin Wild. I hear you have your drawers in a twist because you are being discussed here. You and your fellow BB participants chose to join that very questionable deal ( I am feeling very generous today) and put all of the information being discussed here online yourselves.

RS does not remove or edit posts without good cause. The posters here cannot edit or remove their own posts after 30 minutes. The owner is anonymous and not involved in the day to day running of the site. I handle all complaints.

Our policy is to deal with garbage complaints publicly. Who could forget the Fake de Rothschild (http://www.realscam.com/f12/charles-gr-goire-de-rothschild-real-name-aaron-joab-berdah-gdr-priv-e-inc-848/) who claimed the FBI, interpol and the Romanian mafia were after me. I hope you will prove to be just as amusing to our readers.

Mr. Wild, you are now stuck dealing with me. Good luck with that!!!!

Soapboxmom

[scratchycat]

Phil the Shill has been temporarily banned but appears as his twin in Bill the Shill. Too funny!!

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Hi there, I am Bill, Phil's twin brother. As is a common phenomenon in twins, we're able to communicate telepathically. Therefore, any message posted here will be instantaneously communicated with Phil. Now we have the introductions out the way, where were we?

Ah yes, the pending withdrawal thread over on talkingbb. By the looks of things, Randy, the smell of fiction has been picked up by certain forumites, with no action being taken by the admins to curb any talk with regards to not being paid. Where do we go from here?

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TG's Moderator has been busy this morning. Looks like Bill is now permanently retired.


Bill the Shill
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Re: BannersBroker - BannersBroker.com

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Hi there, I am Bill, Phil's twin brother. As is a common phenomenon in twins, we're able to communicate telepathically. Therefore, any message posted here will be instantaneously communicated with Phil. Now we have the introductions out the way, where were we?

Ah yes, the pending withdrawal thread over on talkingbb. By the looks of things, Randy, the smell of fiction has been picked up by certain forumites, with no action being taken by the admins to curb any talk with regards to not being paid. Where do we go from here?

[Char]

Can someone remind me?

Who is Martin Wild with regard to Banners Broker?
What city does he live in?
Has he touted how much money he was making in BB to others? If so, how much did he say?
Is this the first time he's recruited for something if you know?

[scratchycat]

opps hit reply before I had finished!

Was going to add, the ones I found seemed like they were only interested in themselves!

Welcome to RS simples. I think I must have posted about the same time you did. Glad to have you join the discussion here and look for more from you.

[noname999]

Can someone remind me?

Who is Martin Wild with regard to Banners Broker?
What city does he live in?
Has he touted how much money he was making in BB to others? If so, how much did he say?
Is this the first time he's recruited for something if you know?

Poyol is the best person to ask about this. Martin wild has definitely been an advocate of BB. In fact, if I'm not wrong, he has said that criticism of BB only makes them stronger:pt:
People actually believe this crap.
Anyway, I think Martin and his son Ross are active recruiters for the scam BB. The animosity at the moment stems from the fact that Martin put his address up on the internet. He didn't see that as a problem but he takes extreme offence at anyone reposting it.(post 662)
Where confusion lies, is that he is now saying that its not his address at all but rather his mother's house.
So now he is leaving threatening voice mails on people's phones.
He is threatening Poyol for posting the address, eventhough Martin already posted the address. What makes it more messed up is that Poyol did not post it in the first place.
Oh and by the way...he doesn't like us discussing him. But you did ask...

P will be able to fill in the rest.

[Soapboxmom]

Can someone remind me?

Who is Martin Wild with regard to Banners Broker?
What city does he live in?
Has he touted how much money he was making in BB to others? If so, how much did he say?
Is this the first time he's recruited for something if you know?
http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index5.html#post28610

http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index6.html#post28695

http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index27.html#post29844

http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index6.html#post28698

http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index7.html#post28759

[noname999]

What I am confused about is why did Martin Wild put his mother's address on line. It seems like a strange thing to do. Anyway, besides that, why is he so angry? Is it because he is afraid when the Banners Broker ponzi scam collapses that his disgruntled downline will turn up at his house(or what they think is his address) to get satisfaction?
Yeah, if I had done something so stupid I woud be worried too. I suppose the best course of action for Martin Wild is to come on here and give us his address. Then we will know where people should actually go to complain when they lose their money. We would then be able to clarify the address saga.
Then again, he may be just lying. Maybe its not his mother's house at all.

[Whip]

Hello PP and welcome to RS.

What do you think of this one from over at TG??



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lol. the hypocrite uses the same photo he accuses lynn of copyright infringement on. utter jackasses can never keep their lies straight. They always get exposed.

[Poyol]

Guys ... when was Banners Broker 'started'?
Find that out for me ... and I have some interesting information.

Jason

[littleroundman]

It first appeared on the Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum in November 2010 and claimed to have been in business for 6 months prior to that date.

[Poyol]

Internet Archive Wayback Machine (http://wayback.archive.org/web/20090901000000*/http://martinwild.com)

See November 8th 2009 -- Martin Wild's BBAgent website.

I'm confused ... does this mean he's further up the pyramid than first thought?

[noname999]

If thats the case, no wonder he's worried.

[JordanBright]

Pre-Launch begins Monday October 25, 2010, Get your team ready!

from their twitter, by the way Jason what about that massage the one of the wild guys sent you?

https://twitter.com/bannersbroker

[noname999]

So is he lying about when he got into BB?

[JordanBright]

So is he lying about when he got into BB?

who was lying?

[Poyol]

Make your own deductions, I'm just reporting what the Web Archive shows.

Facts are BB supposedly started in April 2010 and Mr. Wild had his BBAgent website up by 8th Nov 2009.

[noname999]

Good question!

[Poyol]

Whose question?

[scinvestor]

No they shouldn't of kept your money but to balance things I can't think of many companies worldwide legal or illegal that will put up with someone publicly badmouthing the company they are meant to be affiliated to!! I also think a lot of other companies will keep the money too. I'm not saying it's right but your negative comments probably cost them a lot more that $100

Hello PP, I d like to welcome you aboard. Hoping that we can have a decent conversation on the matter I would like to have your opinion on the following:

This one is the definition of an investor by Wikipedia:

"An investor is someone who allocates capital with the expectation of a financial return. The types of investments include, — equity, debt securities, real estate, currency, commodity, derivatives such as put and call options, etc. This definition makes no distinction between those in the primary and secondary markets. That is, someone who provides a business with capital and someone who buys a stock are both investors. Since those in the secondary market are considered investors, speculators are also investors. According to this definition there is no difference."


Considering that you provided this "business: with capital would you consider yourself as an investor of any kind?
If yes then why the term "investor" has been banned in bb's forums? If you really don't know the answer why don't you give it try.
In any case of investment a trust is implied. If you give your money to some "company" you have to investigate certain aspects before doing so. Right?


Therefore you should be in position to answer these simple questions:
What is the product of this company?
What is unique with that product?
Who are this company's customers?
Who are its competitors?
What are the opportunities and how exactly is this company planning to take advantage of its unique set-up to transform these opportunities into income/profit?
What are the limitations/threads to this marketing plan? What are the risks?
What is the expected return on my investment and how exactly is this going to be achieved?
Who runs this business and what level of trust can I give him / them?
Is the promises I am getting feasible?
What control do I have in my money management?
How easy can I resell my rights to other investors in case that I change my mind? In other words what is my assurance that this company is going to deliver what they promised? Are there any respectable investors who put their money in it? Who are they?
How can I monitor the progress of my investment?
Are there any red flags that would make me to do any second thoughts before investing?



Well, I am just wondered how many of these basic questions (because in real life there are a lot more and detailed ones) can you answer to your your self sincerely and unbiased?

Please do not provide any answers here. Just ask your self. Should you feel like you really need to share any of your answers with us I would be more than interested to here you.

[noname999]

Add to them:

Is this company regulated?
Do I have any comeback if they company shut down tomorrow?
If the owners decided to sell to google in the morning(not that google would touch it), what happens to your money?
How can BB sell for more then google eventhough they are buying smaller amounts?
There's loads more but I'll finish with this one:

Where are the ads?

[scinvestor]

Add to them:

Is this company regulated?
Do I have any comeback if they company shut down tomorrow?
If the owners decided to sell to google in the morning(not that google would touch it), what happens to your money?
How can BB sell for more then google eventhough they are buying smaller amounts?
There's loads more but I'll finish with this one:

Where are the ads?

:) I thought of not going into so much details...

bb as per my personal judgement and experience as an investor is not an investment opportunity as it fails to provide any positive answers to the very basic questions. I do not need to go into the detailed ones but if that helps anyone decide whether to give any money / sensitive information away or not then those are also relevant questions ...

[Char]

Make your own deductions, I'm just reporting what the Web Archive shows.

Facts are BB supposedly started in April 2010 and Mr. Wild had his BBAgent website up by 8th Nov 2009.

I seem to recall reading something about this being bannersbroker2 or something like that. Like many schemes, the names get changed and pretty sure there were some other variations. Can anyone elaborate on their other names?

[noname999]

In version one you were allowed to have multiple accounts and could create a pyramid under yourself. They tried to cut all this out with version 2. Of course there are still plenty with more than one account.

[Poyol]

Did version one actually exist?

[noname999]

Yeah, I could be wrong but I thought version 2 came out around Feb/Mar of last year. Open to correction.

[Poyol]

Any proof of version one? Could be a ruse ...

[noname999]

Char may be a good person to ask on this.

[Soapboxmom]

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So, Martin Wild had this up on November 5, 2009. He was in before prelaunch. Definitely heavy hitter territory!

[noname999]

Well then, it seems Martin Wild will require alot of attention. Will it be possible to get a proper resume on this guy?

[CommodityTrader]

Hello all,

I have been watching this forum and the one previous on Scam.com since late last year.

It has been very interesting and insightful so I thank you for the free education lesson. However I feel it is now time to contribute.

I know quite a few 'investors' who were sucked into this rubbish by non other than our friend Mr Wild.

I was unfortunate enough to be told/attempted to be sold this scam back late last year and just listening to the first three sentences of the idea made me chcukle.

However, what annoys me is how greed blinds people. Maybe due to the harsh economic climate out there people will just try anything.

Anyways, I have started ranting which is not a good thing.

I can categorically state people are not getting paid despite chasing for over 6 weeks.

I know people who have fallen into this trap big time and they think I am the idiot.

Puyol, do not worry about the wannabe showpony Martin Wild. I would love to hear the message he sent you. It is simply a sign of desperation from a greedy, yet worried scam artist.

I do not feel sorry for the people I have warned as they have chosen not to believe me.

Money does not grow on trees. I learnt that at nursery school!

Keep up the good work guys. I am happy to help whenever!

[Poyol]

Well TC,

I'd love to give you a link to the recording -- I'm not just up to publicly posting it yet; and sorry to not trust you off the mark!

Welcome to RealScam.

Jason

[CommodityTrader]

Totally understandable Poyol,

I am not in a hurry to hear it. I simply meant I bet it is really funny hearing his squirm.

It is Friday evening so I am off for a few shandies.

I look forward to more info over the weekend.

All the best

CT

[The Pied Piper]

Hi PP. Can I ask what research you did before investing? Also, how long have you been in?

I researched the internet for about a week and a half before I took the plunge. I can honestly say I could not find one person who could actually say they have lost money with the program. I found the actual business concept really good as every business does require advertising to make it grow. I also went to a meeting where again I met lots of people who were making money and were very happy with their lot so far. I made a promise to myself that I wouldn't recruit anyone until I had least got my investment back. I 've been in now for about 3 months.

[Poyol]

If you private message me; I may be able to help you listen to it.

J

[Joe_Shmoe]

I Listened to the calls. To me it just proves how incredibly dumb he is. ( I feel I can say whatever I like about him, as he did say he would no longer be reading this thead ) :RpS_rolleyes:
to leave a recording with such thinly veiled threats.

He obviously doesn't care much for his mother to use her address to register his dodgy site.
You did nothing wrong. You didn't know it was (he says) his mothers address when you posted. When he registered the site he did know, but didn't care.
He should know all about lowlife scum. He don't care about his mother all he cares about is money.
What was that he saying about consequences? These are some of the consequences of running a Ponzi scheme.

This is the real reason he is upset Let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=martin+wild+banners+broker) TOP Of THE POPS!


I think they call this the Streisand effect

[JordanBright]

This is the real reason he is upset Let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=martin+wild+banners+broker) TOP Of THE POPS!

wow, nice job.

[Soapboxmom]

For posterity, I proudly note that this thread took all four top spots on that Google search today!!!

Congratulations Wild! You have hit the big time!!!!!

[Whip]

from their twitter, by the way Jason what about that massage the one of the wild guys sent you?

https://twitter.com/bannersbroker

Are you asking if they got the 'happy ending' as we say in the States?

[path2prosperity]

Thank you for the recorded message Jason. The man is obviously outraged but he was the person who used his mother's address to promote his BannersBroker sales spiel, not you. Why on earth would an honest business man not use his own address?

Let him threaten and curse you as much as he likes because there really is not much else that he can do. He has been "hoist with his own petard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petard)!"

[Maxwell Johnstone]

A few things I want to say:

This company is a pure scam and people are rejects if they cant see it. There is no proof of their banners anywhere and they use the excuse of a blind network. Great fine and dandy. Sad to say they came close in claiming they made the same revenue as google in that department...yet we cant see any ads? LOL.

Poyola it would be better off telling the truth. It would help your credibility more. Saying you dont have a vandetta against them is completely false. Nobody on this planet spends as much time as you do on the internet hating on them and doing everything you can to bring a negative light to them. Do they deserve it? YES.. but dont lie and act like you spend 10-12 hours a day on forums bashing them out of the goodness of your heart. Most people your age would be out living their life or at least getting paid. You are a banned member because you broke numerous rules and you are bitter. So stop pretending you are not. You are doing a pile of research and while I appreciate it, nothing you will ever say will convince others if you continue on such an angry path. Do it maturely and admit you are pissed off. Stop with the "I have morals crap" No one believes it, not even you.

So when you search their offices, they cant be seen. Shocking.

One of the owners was involved in previous scams. LOL

Massive delays in payments for a company thats been around for 2 years? What a joke.

Even taking monthly fee's are delayed! They have no clue what the **** they are doing in a business sense. Why? Because there is no business!

How are people so retarded to think that this is legit in any way shape or form?

I think this company has some time left on its feet but I give it 12 months and they are done. Some say thats too long? Well these things take a long time and since they arent being investigated by any authorities right now..its going to take some time.

[scinvestor]

A few things I want to say:

This company is a pure scam and people are rejects if they cant see it. There is no proof of their banners anywhere and they use the excuse of a blind network. Great fine and dandy. Sad to say they came close in claiming they made the same revenue as google in that department...yet we cant see any ads? LOL.

Poyola it would be better off telling the truth. It would help your credibility more. Saying you dont have a vandetta against them is completely false. Nobody on this planet spends as much time as you do on the internet hating on them and doing everything you can to bring a negative light to them. Do they deserve it? YES.. but dont lie and act like you spend 10-12 hours a day on forums bashing them out of the goodness of your heart. Most people your age would be out living their life or at least getting paid. You are a banned member because you broke numerous rules and you are bitter. So stop pretending you are not. You are doing a pile of research and while I appreciate it, nothing you will ever say will convince others if you continue on such an angry path. Do it maturely and admit you are pissed off. Stop with the "I have morals crap" No one believes it, not even you.

So when you search their offices, they cant be seen. Shocking.

One of the owners was involved in previous scams. LOL

Massive delays in payments for a company thats been around for 2 years? What a joke.

Even taking monthly fee's are delayed! They have no clue what the **** they are doing in a business sense. Why? Because there is no business!

How are people so retarded to think that this is legit in any way shape or form?

I think this company has some time left on its feet but I give it 12 months and they are done. Some say thats too long? Well these things take a long time and since they arent being investigated by any authorities right now..its going to take some time.

Hello Maxwell and welcome aboard.

For me it does not really matter if a man has lost $ 100. It would also be unreasonable to think that the loss of $ 100 may be a cause for anyone to start a campaign against an illegal body, which meets all the criteria of a Ponzi Scheme.

This is a second attempt to downgrade the whole issue to an economic dispute of $ 100. Nothing is more wrong and more misleading than this. Quite simply, if the subject was such it could have ended with handling a difficult customer. A Ponzi has dimensions much larger and much more important than $ 100.

If bb was indeed a broker of banners the cash cow for them would be the real advertisers. They would spend their energy in projecting how happy these advertisers are instead of dealing with a single 'vendetta'. And if I was an actual advertiser I wouldn't give a damn if my advertising agent screwed a guy from UK who invested 100$. If I was a genuine and honest, customer of bb I would be in position to affect positively a number of other potential advertisers and honestly Poyol issues would have a zero effect on my marketing mix.

Unfortunately the cash cow for bb is not the actual advertising. In such a case whether a guy lost 100$ or not is completely irrelevant or of indefinitely lower importance than a Ponzi currently running and the potential loss of much more money to thousands of people.

[EagleOne]

A few things I want to say:

This company is a pure scam and people are rejects if they cant see it. There is no proof of their banners anywhere and they use the excuse of a blind network. Great fine and dandy. Sad to say they came close in claiming they made the same revenue as google in that department...yet we cant see any ads? LOL.

Poyola it would be better off telling the truth. It would help your credibility more. Saying you dont have a vandetta against them is completely false. Nobody on this planet spends as much time as you do on the internet hating on them and doing everything you can to bring a negative light to them. Do they deserve it? YES.. but dont lie and act like you spend 10-12 hours a day on forums bashing them out of the goodness of your heart. Most people your age would be out living their life or at least getting paid. You are a banned member because you broke numerous rules and you are bitter. So stop pretending you are not. You are doing a pile of research and while I appreciate it, nothing you will ever say will convince others if you continue on such an angry path. Do it maturely and admit you are pissed off. Stop with the "I have morals crap" No one believes it, not even you.

So when you search their offices, they cant be seen. Shocking.

One of the owners was involved in previous scams. LOL

Massive delays in payments for a company thats been around for 2 years? What a joke.

Even taking monthly fee's are delayed! They have no clue what the **** they are doing in a business sense. Why? Because there is no business!

How are people so retarded to think that this is legit in any way shape or form?

I think this company has some time left on its feet but I give it 12 months and they are done. Some say thats too long? Well these things take a long time and since they arent being investigated by any authorities right now..its going to take some time.

Welcome to RS, and look forward to your continued presence here.

[path2prosperity]

A few things I want to say:

Poyola it would be better off telling the truth. It would help your credibility more. Saying you dont have a vandetta against them is completely false. Nobody on this planet spends as much time as you do on the internet hating on them and doing everything you can to bring a negative light to them. Do they deserve it? YES.. but dont lie and act like you spend 10-12 hours a day on forums bashing them out of the goodness of your heart. Most people your age would be out living their life or at least getting paid. You are a banned member because you broke numerous rules and you are bitter. So stop pretending you are not. You are doing a pile of research and while I appreciate it, nothing you will ever say will convince others if you continue on such an angry path. Do it maturely and admit you are pissed off. Stop with the "I have morals crap" No one believes it, not even you.



This is a ridiculous statement that appears to be an attempt at character assassination. Jason was conned and he expressed anger. His comments opened a can of worms and he has found himself at the centre of a large dispute which involves legal authorities.

He has every right to present his case in the full glare of publicity. It is a big responsibility on young shoulders and he is making a great contribution to law enforcement to help them bring the matter to a speedy conclusion rather than brush the whole matter under the carpet.

[Maxwell Johnstone]

Okay call it what you want.

So you think someone who created a dozen accounts elsewhere and spends 10-12 hours a day bashing this site to no end is handling it maturely? Really? I am a member of 7 forums he has been on and its the same song and dance and he gets banned from almost everyone or his posts deleted because he cannot control himself.

This person btw was a previous member of BB and didnt have an issue with them until he got kicked off because of him breaking the rules. I remember reading about one of his friends posting how it was his own fault for getting the boot. An msn conversation was even posted where he said he will do everything he can to take the company down at any cost. Its childish to act like an angry little child especially one thats trying to build a case. What happens? He gets banned and BB laughs at him because no one will listen to it. He then gets his buddy noname999 to follow him around from forum to forum and do the same things.

If you support that behavior then you fall into the same boat.

Grow up and start doing something about it. Ive sent complaints to the BBB and other authorites, have you? No you sit on a forum all day and bitch about it..on a forum that has little to no traffic aside from a select few. How is that going to help?

[Maxwell Johnstone]

Hello Maxwell and welcome aboard.

For me it does not really matter if a man has lost $ 100. It would also be unreasonable to think that the loss of $ 100 may be a cause for anyone to start a campaign against an illegal body, which meets all the criteria of a Ponzi Scheme.

This is a second attempt to downgrade the whole issue to an economic dispute of $ 100. Nothing is more wrong and more misleading than this. Quite simply, if the subject was such it could have ended with handling a difficult customer. A Ponzi has dimensions much larger and much more important than $ 100.

If bb was indeed a broker of banners the cash cow for them would be the real advertisers. They would spend their energy in projecting how happy these advertisers are instead of dealing with a single 'vendetta'. And if I was an actual advertiser I wouldn't give a damn if my advertising agent screwed a guy from UK who invested 100$. If I was a genuine and honest, customer of bb I would be in position to affect positively a number of other potential advertisers and honestly Poyol issues would have a zero effect on my marketing mix.

Unfortunately the cash cow for bb is not the actual advertising. In such a case whether a guy lost 100$ or not is completely irrelevant or of indefinitely lower importance than a Ponzi currently running and the potential loss of much more money to thousands of people.

Who is downgrading the issue? Surely not I. Nowhere in my post did I even mention $100? I am asking that he stop being so childish and put all his anger and energy into a productive investigation. Something that will have some meaning, again running around to tonnes of websites and freaking out and insulting moderators will gain him nothing. The only thing its gotten him is a strong 'poor' character case AGAINST him. And unless he has any proof (which I honestly have no idea) there could be a chance he could be sued for slander.

Now Im sure he will rant about how much doesnt give a **** yadayada but the bottom line is, he will. And once it goes down that path anything he has worked towards will be for nothing. All they would need to do is provide any court with how he has handeled this and he looks like a complete psycho.

BTW none of this is meant for insults. Im straight up and tell it how it is

Pick up the phone and make some phone calls. Do some research and complain as often as possible to the proper authorities. Send emails everyday if you want. That's more constructive then what he's doing where 80% of the members end up placing him on ignore and he's left talking to himself.

FWIW because of his actions every single BB forum I have went and read, all think this guy is a joke and no one takes him seriously. Is that what he wants? He is doing more harm than good and more people are signing up because of him. Yeah thats right. Anyone who comes across this guy and reads all of his hate posts, shows one thing. A massive vandetta. And no one will take a person serious who comes across like that.

Get in your car and drive to the HQ, take some pictures. Make appointments with the proper authorities, get paperwork together and give it to the proper people. Stop this nonsense and forum jumping and ruining any credibility you might have left.

EVERYONE in their right mind knows they are a bloody scam. There is no possible way it isnt.

FFS AND JFC

[Poyol]

Scam.com
Moneysavingexpert.co.uk
TalkGold.com
Realscam.com

I was only banned from TG. For reasons unknown.

As posted before the rules I broke at BB were posting on Scam.com that they were a Ponzi. So another point you have wrong.

It was a Facebook conversation with Mr Wild Jnr.

If you read what I have done, then I have reported to BBB, FSA, ActionFraud and the local police.

I don't have a vendetta.

Jason

[Maxwell Johnstone]

I cant remember the other 3 but I know you have been banned from atleast 4 more. Including talkingbb.com

Get off your ass and go and meet with people. The local police wont do a ******* thing either unless you bug ALL of these companies every single day.

You hate them this much? Do something real about it. You want to save people millions of dollars? Do something that has some sort of effect. You have been doing this for months and months and not a single person you reported it too has given a ****.

[Poyol]

I'm glad you're privy to information the authorities I've contacted have on this Banners Broker case.

I haven't been any more websites regarding Banners Broker. I have never insulted a moderator. To suggest so is defamation of character.

I'm a joke, am I? We'll see who's the joke in a few months' time.

J

[The Pied Piper]

[QUOTE=Maxwell Johnstone;29961]A few things I want to say:
Poyola it would be better off telling the truth. It would help your credibility more. Saying you dont have a vandetta against them is completely false. Nobody on this planet spends as much time as you do on the internet hating on them and doing everything you can to bring a negative light to them. Do they deserve it? YES.. but dont lie and act like you spend 10-12 hours a day on forums bashing them out of the goodness of your heart. Most people your age would be out living their life or at least getting paid. You are a banned member because you broke numerous rules and you are bitter. So stop pretending you are not. You are doing a pile of research and while I appreciate it, nothing you will ever say will convince others if you continue on such an angry path. Do it maturely and admit you are pissed off. Stop with the "I have morals crap" No one believes it, not even you.

[The Pied Piper]

Totally NOT a ridiculous statement you are not the only one who thinks things are not quite what they seem

[Maxwell Johnstone]

anyways Ive said my peace in regards to how people are carrying themselves. Back on topic.

People are so caught up in the idea of free money that they are blinded by this scam. The proof is right in front of their face. They claim to make close to the same as google yet no one in the real world knows about them or has written a legit article. There is no way none of us see banners and they can claim that kind of revenue.

This is the easiest case of a ponzi if there was ever one.

I think when you google their headquarters in Oshawa its an arrow in the middle of the road. HILARIOUS

Fact: They make no where close in revenue as to what they claim from these so called banners. Its all from members deposits

[scinvestor]

Who is downgrading the issue? Surely not I. Nowhere in my post did I even mention $100? I am asking that he stop being so childish and put all his anger and energy into a productive investigation. Something that will have some meaning, again running around to tonnes of websites and freaking out and insulting moderators will gain him nothing. The only thing its gotten him is a strong 'poor' character case AGAINST him. And unless he has any proof (which I honestly have no idea) there could be a chance he could be sued for slander.

Now Im sure he will rant about how much doesnt give a **** yadayada but the bottom line is, he will. And once it goes down that path anything he has worked towards will be for nothing. All they would need to do is provide any court with how he has handeled this and he looks like a complete psycho.

BTW none of this is meant for insults. Im straight up and tell it how it is

Pick up the phone and make some phone calls. Do some research and complain as often as possible to the proper authorities. Send emails everyday if you want. That's more constructive then what he's doing where 80% of the members end up placing him on ignore and he's left talking to himself.

FWIW because of his actions every single BB forum I have went and read, all think this guy is a joke and no one takes him seriously. Is that what he wants? He is doing more harm than good and more people are signing up because of him. Yeah thats right. Anyone who comes across this guy and reads all of his hate posts, shows one thing. A massive vandetta. And no one will take a person serious who comes across like that.

Get in your car and drive to the HQ, take some pictures. Make appointments with the proper authorities, get paperwork together and give it to the proper people. Stop this nonsense and forum jumping and ruining any credibility you might have left.

EVERYONE in their right mind knows they are a bloody scam. There is no possible way it isnt.

FFS AND JFC

Maxwell of course you are entitled to have your own opinion and I respect that. But with all due respect, I have the impression that this forum is about educating people in order to be more capable of identifying the red flags and avoid scams and not on how to develop a mature internet behavior. I am open to corrections should I am wrong with this.

What is the issue really? I am only interested on the evidence and to read about the different opinions and the logic behind them. I think this is exactly what the average reader of this forum should be also interested in. I am not interested in judging anyone's character, nor I am here to preach/teach good manners to anybody. Doing so in this specific thread equals diversification from the main topic. I am here to testimony my point of view concerning the main issue, nothing more and nothing less than that. Of course this is my very own and personal opinion.

If this thread here has helped even a single person to be a little more suspicious and skeptical, well I am justifying my presence here.

[Maxwell Johnstone]

Hence why 8 minutes before you posted your response I said I spoke my peace.

Back on topic.

[scinvestor]

Hence why 8 minutes before you posted your response I said I spoke my peace.

Back on topic.

:) You see English is not my mother language I am not as good and speedy as other people probably are. It takes several minutes for me to write a single paragraph. Does this justify my 8 minutes delay in replying to your post?

[noname999]

I am a member of 7 forums he has been on

Only skimming through the posts so apologies if I missed anything. Can you name the 7 forums?

[littleroundman]

How are people so retarded to think that this is legit in any way shape or form?



Who cares how or why ???

The point is, they do.

In fact, unlike some, the fraudsters don't judge "how or why" they simply defraud.

Naive? greedy? desperate? ill informed? gullible? trusting? elderly? gamblers? incapable? - who the h**l knows ??

[Char]

I cant remember the other 3 but I know you have been banned from atleast 4 more. Including talkingbb.com

Get off your ass and go and meet with people. The local police wont do a ******* thing either unless you bug ALL of these companies every single day.

You hate them this much? Do something real about it. You want to save people millions of dollars? Do something that has some sort of effect. You have been doing this for months and months and not a single person you reported it too has given a ****.

Your logic would come far too late regarding the police. I tried to contact the Canadian police and they told me that until there were victims complaining they've already lost money, they wouldn't do squat.

And how do you know Poyol hasn't helped by posting here and everywhere? A few years ago, I was approached to invest thousands of dollars in an opportunity called Ad Surf Daily. Thanks to scam.com, posters like soapboxmom, grandolgeezer (remember him my friends) and the rest who were like "poyol", I did not lose money in that scam.

Poyol and this website are serving a purpose. Most regular folks (the types of people that are approached) at least have the internet at their disposal to do some research like I did.

And while I'm at it, I think these local promoters need to be EXPOSED. Anyone remember this name, Allen Cork? He seemed to be a know it all in this thing with many many posts of advice. I'm not sure if that was a real name but think he was in UK?

And for the record Mr. Johnstone, I've never been involved with Banners Broker and I don't even live in the UK or Canada. I'd just rather be doing this exercising my mind, googling to see if I can find any pertinent info, and sharing experiences instead of watching T.V., or reading in my off time. It's my way of volunteering for a cause. I absolutely have a vendetta against people who steal money from others and that's how I choose to spend my time and I'd like to think some actually appreciate the effort. I know I did. Thank you Geezer Jack A.

[path2prosperity]

Being banned from a ponzi forum is usually a badge of honour. When I told Patrick Pretty that I had been banned from Adlandpro, he congratulated me for obtaining a badge of honour. Ask "SBM" and "okosh" how many times they have been banned. Both are proud of their record.

I remember telling "laidback" that I had not been banned from TalkGold and he replied to say that my efforts as a naysayer must be getting pretty feeble, if that was the case. He had a point. I was not being sufficiently proactive and I made efforts to step up my scam busting activities.

Jason is doing a great job and I hope that he will take over the mantle from some of "we oldies" who have done a lot to get ponzi forums like Autosurf Authority and The Safelist closed down. MyCashForums and Adlandpro have been reduced to a whisper as a result of the work of efficient naysayers.

What is wrong with insulting moderators who help to promote scam after scam? Does anybody here wish to defend Chris007, "brookie", "wiseowl" "Sydney" or Mathew Nunn? If mods are corrupt and they deserve to be ridiculed in forums like RS.