Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

[Poyol]

I already have credit monitoring so, any changes in credit will be sent to my phone.

I have changed my bank card and informed all three credit agencies.

Done all I can, really!

[samuel.r]

A guy I work with is (unfortunately) "in" BB, though not a lot of cash thankfully. He let me look over his shoulder this morning at their "talkingbb" discussion forum.

I can't tell if they are just having a bad day over there or if it's the normal atmosphere -- but there are a bunch of panic stricken people right now and the head honcho "Jamie Waters" (who's real last name is probably Sequeira...just a hunch) is actually now threatening a couple of them with Ts &Cs if they speak negatively about BB.

I feel sorry for the ones that truly got spliffed by this thing...some people are saying they know members who can't pay their rent now because of all these payment delays.

Others have picked up on the fact that BB has dramatically changed the panel maturation algorithm, to lengthen the time-to-value (therefore also, time-to-withdraw) on member accounts. Unless BB has some sort of dramatic influx of real cash, soon, I believe we may be seeing the death throes of this "program".

[noname999]

I can't tell if they are just having a bad day over there or if it's the normal atmosphere -- but there are a bunch of panic stricken people right now and the head honcho "Jamie Waters" (who's real last name is probably Sequeira...just a hunch) is actually now threatening a couple of them with Ts &Cs if they speak negatively about BB.

Can't believe some people are still singing BB's praises...the state of play now is: we are not giving you the money we promised, and if you complain about it, we will kick you out. So whether you are in BB or not, you don't get paid...laughable!


Others have picked up on the fact that BB has dramatically changed the panel maturation algorithm, to lengthen the time-to-value (therefore also, time-to-withdraw) on member accounts. Unless BB has some sort of dramatic influx of real cash, soon, I believe we may be seeing the death throes of this "program".

I know the withdrawal time has been increasing but are you sure about the panel maturation?
This is significant if true. Up until now the payments were just getting longer and the drones just accepted it. If they have now changed the panel maturation this means that moral is now in serious trouble.

Poor Banners broker. They haven't a hope of getting new suckers to fill the honey jar when things are in this state.

A collapsing pyramid - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxVm0TWo94E)

[Poyol]

Hm, we'll have to make sure no more people join up to Banners Broker!

Jason

[noname999]

Thats the plan. There will be enough people hurt by this.

Apologies to the genuine cases who got caught by this, the glib video is for the scammers.

[samuel.r]

I know the withdrawal time has been increasing but are you sure about the panel maturation?

Yes, and this is causing just as much panic as the payment delays. The answer they are getting is "it's an I/T problem and will be fixed soon".

[noname999]

Please tell me people are not actually falling for this? By the way, they should just forget about the money they threw(away) into this, and concentrate on preventing the identity fraud that will inevitably come after this...

[samuel.r]

Please tell me people are not actually falling for this? By the way, they should just forget about the money they threw(away) into this, and concentrate on preventing the identity fraud that will inevitably come after this...

I think the people involved in BB fall into these categories:

1. The real guys at the top...people with a lot of consonants in their last name and wear tall fur hats in the winter. We will likely never know their names.
2. The hired guns, Raj, Chris, Kul (RIP), Ian - and their lieutenants (Jamie, and the other localized 'leaders').
3. Early-in affiliates who are actually making a lot of money -- and fully understand that this is very likely not a legitimate business.
4. Mid-tier affiliates who are natural-born followers, who might have a suspicion that it's not legit, but like the rat in a cage who keeps ringing the bell for food...like what they are getting.
5. The clueless masses who got sold on BB by #3 and #4 and are happy to make an investment because Billy from church is in it and he wouldn't lie to me.

You can draw the pyramid on this and the center of gravity on the whole thing is at #4 and #5. These are people convinced to keep their money in the system as long as possible because of the anticipated future payouts that will surely happen.

#2 fully know exactly how this thing works and are most likely threatened with life & limb if they make a stupid move. Even if they wanted "out" at this point, there is no turning back.
#3 most likely don't see the payment issues, don't participate in the forum, don't really worry about it...they are the examples to be held up high for the others to look at and aspire to be.
#4 is the group right now having a panic attack. Some of these people have quit their day jobs (believe it or not)...thus adding to the stress level.

What will happen next is unless #2 can keep #4 from having a complete melt-down, they will lose them and #5. Then the stilts are cut out from under this program and it falls over.

So, they are trying some knobs and dials right now...slow down payments...slow down panels...site was hacked...I/T issues. Also, now re-opening the ability for members to buy additional packages to transfer to other members, which effectively keeps more revenue inside the system. And the full court press on social media, local meetings, etc to try to get more people in at #5.

At this point it's time to break out the popcorn, settle into the lounge, and watch the show. The death blow from either MasterCard or one of the alphabet agencies ringing them up is always lurking in the periphery, too...although as we all know those bureaucracies tend to operate more in clean-up mode than prevention mode.

[noname999]

Great post Sam. What are the chances people will actually listen?

[Poyol]

That depends if they're reading this or not.

[noname999]

Yeah, I still don't see this thread when I do a search.

[Poyol]

Nor do I when searching for 'Banners Broker Scam'

Strange -- I'll be helping with that though - don't worry!

Jason

[noname999]

Haha, cheers J!

[laidback]

I think the people involved in BB fall into these categories:

1. The real guys at the top...people with a lot of consonants in their last name and wear tall fur hats in the winter. We will likely never know their names.
2. The hired guns, Raj, Chris, Kul (RIP), Ian - and their lieutenants (Jamie, and the other localized 'leaders').
3. Early-in affiliates who are actually making a lot of money -- and fully understand that this is very likely not a legitimate business.
4. Mid-tier affiliates who are natural-born followers, who might have a suspicion that it's not legit, but like the rat in a cage who keeps ringing the bell for food...like what they are getting.
5. The clueless masses who got sold on BB by #3 and #4 and are happy to make an investment because Billy from church is in it and he wouldn't lie to me.

You can draw the pyramid on this and the center of gravity on the whole thing is at #4 and #5. These are people convinced to keep their money in the system as long as possible because of the anticipated future payouts that will surely happen.

#2 fully know exactly how this thing works and are most likely threatened with life & limb if they make a stupid move. Even if they wanted "out" at this point, there is no turning back.
#3 most likely don't see the payment issues, don't participate in the forum, don't really worry about it...they are the examples to be held up high for the others to look at and aspire to be.
#4 is the group right now having a panic attack. Some of these people have quit their day jobs (believe it or not)...thus adding to the stress level.

What will happen next is unless #2 can keep #4 from having a complete melt-down, they will lose them and #5. Then the stilts are cut out from under this program and it falls over.

So, they are trying some knobs and dials right now...slow down payments...slow down panels...site was hacked...I/T issues. Also, now re-opening the ability for members to buy additional packages to transfer to other members, which effectively keeps more revenue inside the system. And the full court press on social media, local meetings, etc to try to get more people in at #5.

At this point it's time to break out the popcorn, settle into the lounge, and watch the show. The death blow from either MasterCard or one of the alphabet agencies ringing them up is always lurking in the periphery, too...although as we all know those bureaucracies tend to operate more in clean-up mode than prevention mode.
Excellent analysis. At some point during the crash, #2 will likely claim they were also duped, so they can get downlines to follow them into the next big thing. Watching these unfold is like watching a train wreck in slow motion, like in an action movie. Time for popcorn AND favorite beverage...(not Koolaid...!)

[littleroundman]

Nor do I when searching for 'Banners Broker Scam'

Strange -- I'll be helping with that though - don't worry!

Jason

I think you're missing the entire point of why HYIPers flood the 'net with "Banners Broker Scam" or "xxxxx scam"

Not only does it get the attention of people doing their "research" but, more importantly, it clogs up Google with 10 pages of search results BEFORE anyone gets to find a genuine report about Banners Broker being a scam.

It's like reverse SEO.

What they're doing and have done can't be overcome immediately, but, it can and will be done.

[Poyol]

I'm not insulting what's being done here.
LRM, I'll send you a message letting you know what's going on.

Jason

[littleroundman]

I'm not insulting what's being done here.
LRM, I'll send you a message letting you know what's going on.

Jason

HeHe,

you'll have to try a h**l of a lot harder than that to insult me.

No offence taken at all.

It's one of the realities one has to face if one wants to have this particular hobby.

[Poyol]

Have messaged you!

So, has anyone got any more inside information on TalkingBB?

Jason

[Alkibone]

Hi All -- great to see some of the gang from Scum.com have found their way here.

Big thanks to Soapboxmom for backing up the deleted Scum thread.

I've let the idiots here know about the backup -> Banners Broker Review : More Money Review (http://www.moremoneyreview.com/banners-broker-review-15264.html/comment-page-1#comment-24192)
They keep putting my posts into "awaiting moderation" mode. I wonder why :)

[noname999]

Things seem to be very quiet on all bb forums. Need to get access to another talking bb account. Think they have been instructed to stay away from outside forums?

[JordanBright]

Yep, panels are moving slower and slower, I don't know if this things comes to an end but it looks that way with all the stuff that is going on ("hacking")
sad I chould not get my money back quick so I could have got out but that's the price you pay I guess..

[noname999]

Do you know exactly how much they have slowed? Can you put it in % terms or something similar?

[JordanBright]

Do you know exactly how much they have slowed? Can you put it in % terms or something similar?

I will wait to see how long it will take the other purple panels to finish before I will do the math but I can tell it is slowing down.

[Joe_Shmoe]

with all the stuff that is going on ("hacking")


There was no hacking that was just another excuse.

[Joe_Shmoe]

How incredibly dumb would you have to be to buy additional packages, now that the victims have that option?

But I suppose once a sucker always a sucker.

[noname999]

This one really amazes me. The stupidity of the drones knows no end.

[JordanBright]

How incredibly dumb would you have to be to buy additional packages, now that the victims have that option?

But I suppose once a sucker always a sucker.

that just shows you that they need more money..


There was no hacking that was just another excuse.

that's why I wrote it in "" and not just saying it was really hacking that happend..


This one really amazes me. The stupidity of the drones knows no end.

yep.

[JordanBright]

http://i.imgur.com/dI4vV.png

KYC...

[Joe_Shmoe]

http://i.imgur.com/dI4vV.png

KYC...

Wow they have an excuse for everything don't they!
However buy 'em up folks how else can Jamie afford a new car?
Although with $3.6M I would be looking at something a little better than an Audi A3 :RpS_smile:
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[littleroundman]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/robert.jpg

Really, Jamie ??

Rober Kiysoaki ??

I wonder if he's related to that other purveyor of puerile platitudes, Robert Kiyosaki.

[laidback]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/robert.jpg

Really, Jamie ??

Rober Kiysoaki ??

I wonder if he's related to that other purveyor of puerile platitudes, Robert Kiyosaki.
Yeah, that was his brother that swam here from Hawaii...!

[Dreamstealer]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/robert.jpg

Really, Jamie ??

Rober Kiysoaki ??

I wonder if he's related to that other purveyor of puerile platitudes, Robert Kiyosaki.

If he's related to BB it's Robber Kiyosaki.

Back to the type of people in BB. There seems to be another type- the link in a previous posting was to a blog of one of these- who realise from the start that it is a ponzi but think they can ride and bail. These are basically internet gamblers but instead of going to a site where the casino takes 2-3% they go with a ponzi that takes 20-30%.

These are the ones that really annoy me though- they genuinely don't think they are doing everything wrong. To them eventual losers "knew the risks, and are adults". One even said to my friend that he shouldn't worry about losers because he didn't know them. Nice example of humanity there.

I know i sound vitriolic but i have 3 friends that were suckered into this. Each had apparently done their "due diligence". As someone who does due diligence work every week i can assure you that what they did wasn't due diligence. Like LRM said they googled the scheme and got all the smug answers. I think this is also where they picked up the phrase "due diligence" as it isn't terminology my friends would normally use. They are frantically trying to get money out now. I have seen the talkingbb site. The people running this know tiny bits of business speak and are desperatly trying to appear like real businessman. Some things give it away though like the tax thread where basically several accountants advised on the tax treatment of "earnings" (presumably assuming they are real). People in the forum actually decided that this advice must be incorrect as they think another approach is "simpler" (pay no tax). Once a crook.....

[littleroundman]

Yep,

anyone who thinks the people behind these things and the top echelon members are not dead set criminals in the truest sense of the word is either totally blind to the reality of the situation, is in total denial or is closely related to Pollyanna.

I'd hate to think how much black money passes through the HYIP world every single day.

[Poyol]

Just been reading TalkGold BB Forum.

They're really worrying over there -- they know it is what it is.
There are still some shills trying to convince otherwise, guys, it's not going to happen!

Moneymaker12 seems like he's the most intelligent of the group; and he's reading this thread!

How long do you give BannersBroker?
I bet you 2 completed purple panels that it ends before Christmas.

Jason

[noname999]

The website might last until Christmas but the payments have already stopped. I think they will become rarer and rarer. It already seems to be a lottery as to whether you are paid or not. Reminds me of a certain other ponzi...

[Poyol]

-------------------------------------??? <--- Who is this?
----------------------Chris Smith - Raj Dixit - Kul Jolsun
---------------------Ian Driscoll - And all other international resellers
--------------Jamie Waters - and all other people who know exactly what is going on
------------Martin Wild - and other seminar presenters (these guys have huge 'downlines')
--------- Average Joes Average Joes Average Joes Average Joes Average Joes Average Joes

[noname999]

Just saw the worst excuse yet for late payments. On Talkgold some joker is saying there are so many payments they are bound to be delayed. It seems they know the number is up and they aren't even putting the effort into lying any more.

Gave me a giggle though. Now if anyone is actually stupid enough to fall for that gooseberry they deserve everything they get!

[Poyol]

I wonder when Coca-Cola pay their employees if their wages go out REALLY slowly because there're thousands of them?

HA!

[JordanBright]

Just been reading TalkGold BB Forum.

They're really worrying over there -- they know it is what it is.
There are still some shills trying to convince otherwise, guys, it's not going to happen!

Moneymaker12 seems like he's the most intelligent of the group; and he's reading this thread!

How long do you give BannersBroker?
I bet you 2 completed purple panels that it ends before Christmas.

Jason

well I don't know, it seemed that it was just growing and keep on going but now things are starting to slow down, no payments, "hacking", slowing down the panels, you can buy more then one pack. it's kinda weird. zeek had a lot more people and I think they paid lass and got the same amounts of money like you whould get in banners broker but banners broker is starting to sink.. are they say bullshit about how things are growing or is it just that people start to make changes so they can take more money out.

[noname999]

Talks of legal action on talkgold now. You gotta love these guys.

[JordanBright]

Well! the live support is back but what do you know, when you try to connect it start saying "you are 18 in queue" but when it goes down to 3 or something it shuts down the live support chat and asks you to "leave a message" like you whould do if the live support was offline.. wow.

[Poyol]

Well! the live support is back but what do you know, when you try to connect it start saying "you are 18 in queue" but when it goes down to 3 or something it shuts down the live support chat and asks you to "leave a massage" like you whould do if the live support was offline.. wow.

A massage, eh?
Thai massage, or normal?

I couldn't resist.

[JordanBright]

A massage, eh?
Thai massage, or normal?

I couldn't resist.

lol, sorry just woke up.

[Julie Diligent]

...but banners broker is starting to sink...




http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc474/Julie_Diligent/bbrats.jpg

[littleroundman]

EXCELLENT, well done, Julie.

[stargrams]

I think you should read a little more on Banners Broker Review : More Money Review (http://www.moremoneyreview.com/banners-broker-review-15264.html) read all the reviews not just a fewdead heads ? if there so bad how do they get this .. bannersbroker.com

Bannersbroker.com
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There are 598 sites with a better three-month global Alexa traffic rank than Bannersbroker.com. Visitors to the site view 10.3 unique pages each day on average, and the fraction of visits to the site referred by search engines is approximately 2%. The time spent in a typical visit to Bannersbroker.com is about fifteen minutes, with 40 seconds spent on each pageview. While approximately 24% of this site's visitors are in Russia, where it is ranked #75, it is also popular in Kazakhstan, where it is ranked #35
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[samuel.r]

Julie that is classic...very good.

Once again this morning I was allowed to peer into the morass that is the "talkingbb" forum. It is actually unbelievable. Now the head self-proclaimed hero over there is threatening to seize members accounts and also shut down the entire forum because of all the hand-wringing over lack of payments. I could actually smell the desperation in the air it was that bad. Of course there are the few faithful still defending BB but they are starting to sound like synchronized cuckoo clocks, playing the same nonsense over and over.

I feel really bad for the people now trapped in this thing, they can't voice their concerns, they are not getting any help from BB, and now their "hero" is turning on them. They must feel like they are on a bus with no driver, going 100 mph down the side of a cliff. One person said they had a huge bill to pay in January and are counting on BB money coming in, to cover it.

Also, it's clear he is reading this forum.

So Jaime - I have a question for you: Do you actually believe the people above you who promised "no chance of prosecution" if this thing blows up? You realize you are going to have a litany of personal lawsuits and very likely criminal charges brought against you, Lesley and Ian once this thing totally crashes and burns - right?

Trust me on this. The guys above you have their exit plan worked out, and a part of it is to toss you directly into the line of fire. You are clueless if you can't see this coming.

[Poyol]

Jamie Waters
Heavy Woollen Soccer
23 Lichfield Road
WF12 7NA
Dewsbury
07870248051
jamie.waters@dsl.pipex.com

[noname999]

Jamie Waters
Heavy Woollen Soccer
23 Lichfield Road
WF12 7NA
Dewsbury
07870248051
jamie.waters@dsl.pipex.com

So just to clarify. This is the guy who said he made 3.2 million with BB? HA! What a liar!! If you are reading here Jamie you might do me a favour, can you give me the current exchange rate of banners broker dollars to real US dollars. 1000:1? 1000000:1? 100000000000000000:1????
My guess, you can't quantify something in real dollars if it has no value...

[Poyol]

There are currently 54 users browsing this thread. (7 members and 47 guests)

Jamie, are you reading this?

[JordanBright]

So just to clarify. This is the guy who said he made 3.2 million with BB? HA! What a liar!! If you are reading here Jamie you might do me a favour, can you give me the current exchange rate of banners broker dollars to real US dollars. 1000:1? 1000000:1? 100000000000000000:1????
My guess, you can't quantify something in real dollars if it has no value...

don't forget about the new Audi A3!

[noname999]

I like the way he lies on his twitter account too about where he lives. You couldn't be up to these scammers! HA!

Check out his quote too. Poor people work and rich people network. I think I may just vomit. Who falls for this rubbish??

[Poyol]

JamieWatersEU | Only Shooting Stars Break the Mould (http://jamiewaters.eu/)

Like his website? :)

[noname999]

Yeah, I saw that. And he supposedly is one of the successful ones. Doesn't say much for BB, does it??

[noname999]

Come on Jamie, we know you are lurking...you are not normally this shy. Say hello!

[Poyol]

Hopefully the Yanks'll be waking up soon!

Would be nice to have more input!

Jason

[noname999]

I'd settle for Jamie's input...or any of the (supposed) BB bosses* but I doubt it will be forthcoming

We'll never know who the real bosses are only the stooges...

[Poyol]

I'd settle for Jamie's input...or any of the (supposed) BB bosses* but I doubt it will be forthcoming

We'll never know who the real bosses are only the stooges...

Really bad boys.
Organised criminals etc.

[Poyol]

Is Banners Broker a Ponzi scheme
On second page of a Google search.

Come on, you beauty.

[noname999]

Great, hopefully on page one soon. Then we will get to the proper audience. Lets be honest, the supposed due diligence done by the drones would hardly stretch to the second page of a google search...

[JordanBright]

what about banners broker is a scam and stuff like that, most people just search for "banners broker scam"

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg6/scaled.php?server=6&filename=talkingbullshit6.png&res=landing

lol

[Joe_Shmoe]

As far as I can see, in the end when Jamie is asked by the authorities (hopefully)
Did you know Banners Broker was a scam?
He has two choices
(1) "I knew it was a scam" this makes him a criminal.
(2) "I didn't know it was a scam" this makes him an idiot.

I think he will go for the idiot option.
Same goes for Ian Driscoll and the others.

[scinvestor]

There are 598 sites with a better three-month global Alexa traffic rank than Bannersbroker.com.

Hello,

I just wanted to reply to your post with two images.

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[noname999]

Hi Debbie, hope you are still lurking. I know you are staggered by the 'vitriolic filth' you are reading here. You shouldn't be so shy. I know Jamie is afraid to be found out but you are as big a cheerleader of BB as him in your own way. Would you like to come on here and explain why you are actively taking part in a scam?
How big is your downline? How many victims have you suckered into this?

I like they way you are lying that BB is approved by mastercard. I wonder what other lies you tell to make a few quid from unsuspecting victims...

[JordanBright]

Another thing, Banners Broker Hebrew webinars - never happen, I guess other webinars in foreign languages don't happen too..

[scinvestor]

It has been claimed that just because a site is gaining publicity that means there no way so much people are wrong! Well my full study of the Alexa.com information revealed many similarities between zeekrewards.com and bannersbroker.com.

53 out of 58 people would recommend zeekrewards to a friend. 12 out of 12 people would recommend BB site to a friend.

Relative to the general internet population, 45-54, 55-64 and 65+ year olds are greatly over-represented at zeekrewards.com.
Relative to the general internet population, 45-54, 55-64 and 65+ year olds are greatly over-represented at bannersbroker.com.

Relative to the general internet population, 18-24, 25-34 year olds are greatly under-represented at zeekrewards.com.
Relative to the general internet population, 18-24, 25-34 year olds are greatly under-represented at bannersbroker.com.

Relative to the general internet population, people who did not go to college are over-represented at zeekrewards.com.
Relative to the general internet population, people who did not go to college are over-represented at bannersbroker.com.

Relative to the general internet population, people some college education are over-represented at zeekrewards.com.
Relative to the general internet population, people some college education are over-represented at bannersbroker.com.

Relative to the general internet population, people who went to college are under-represented at zeekrewards.com.
Relative to the general internet population, people who went to college are under-represented at bannersbroker.com.

Relative to the general internet population, people who went to graduate school are under-represented at zeekrewards.com.
Relative to the general internet population, people who went to graduate school are under-represented at bannersbroker.com.

CountryPercent of Visitors zeekrewards.com
Russia 35.8%
United States 9.0%
Ukraine 7.5%
Pakistan 6.9%
Kazakhstan 5.2%
Germany 2.3%
Spain 2.3%
India 2.2%
Azerbaijan 1.9%
Hungary 1.8%

CountryPercent of Visitors bannersbroker.com
Russia 24.3%
United States 10.0%
United Kingdom 8.3%
Pakistan 4.4%
Ukraine 4.0%
Kazakhstan 3.8%
India 3.6%
Australia 2.8%
Germany 2.6%
Portugal 2.2%



When ones comes up with a reference as "proof of success", well one should give us a more clear picture. What I am quite sure about is that there is a great deal of similarities between those two sites. If one uses Alexa information as part of due diligence then one needs to consider all those similarities before taking any action.

[noname999]

Do the drones not find it strange that Russia has the highest traffic...yet, they don't have an office there...hmmmm

[Alkibone]

Here's what I posted on MoreMoneyReview (in response to DebbieK)

If BB buys ten grands worth of bulk ad space, they can’t split it up and sell it for twenty grand, because the market doesn’t bear such a mark-up (I’ve spent my life in the advertising business). The maximum mark-up would be 33%. If they wanted to be daft and give away half their gross profit to outsiders, they’d be giving away 16.5%.

But BB claim to give away 100%, by letting you double your money. So where’s the difference between 16.5% and 100% coming from? It could only come from the funds of new recruits. Unless it comes from thin air.

This, of course, assumes they sell £millions and £millions worth of advertising. But where are the ads? There’s no evidence that they put any volume at all on a “blind” network. The only hard evidence of BB advertising consists of a few crappy ads on low-ranking host sites.

If you STILL believe that payouts are coming from profits on buying and selling ad space, you then need to ask: why would BB want to make such huge payouts, when they could FAR MORE CHEAPLY get venture capital or sell shares?

Let’s not forget that BB was first launched as a HYIP (High Yield Investment Program), and specifically “The World’s First Straight-Line Cycler/Doubler” – that’s what they said on their original website. If BB started as a money circulation scheme, why should we believe that they’re anything different now?

We may soon discover the truth. There’s been excuse after excuse for delaying payments – and now a SNATCHBACK of funds from members’ accounts! Seems like this thing is on its last legs. Should it collapse, the inner structure will be revealed.

[JordanBright]

WOW, this is unbelievable, look at that post, I don't see how people don't start asking about banners broker after that kind of **** -

1.

http://i.imgur.com/rAyLa.png

2.

http://i.imgur.com/7PeJo.png

3.

http://i.imgur.com/VvfcH.png

[noname999]

Wow, and supposedly is an administrator for the site??

[noname999]

Question guys, who is Jack Whiteman? Is he a regular in ponzi circles?

[noname999]

Here's what I posted on MoreMoneyReview (in response to DebbieK)



Good post but don't expect any positive feedback from the drones...

[Alkibone]

Hi Noname: Jack Whiteman runs MoreMoneyReview, and his report just before the thread begins is critical of BB.

[noname999]

Yeah, saw your spot. Nice. Just wondering is this a guy the HYIP shills would hold in high regard. I would assume so if they were using his site as a place to discuss their scams. Lets see how long it takes before they try to discredit him...

[Alkibone]

Just wondering is this a guy the HYIP would hold in high regard...Probably not - MoreMoneyReview don't usually have HYIP threads.

[noname999]

Looks like the drones are starting to surface. They must be after getting their orders to flood the threads with testimony of payments. Leaving aside the fact that it is only hearsay anyway and the chances are they are lying to try and save their doomed investment, there seems to be less and less everytime they try to put up a defence.
The flock are losing faith. Guess what happens next...

[JordanBright]

Looks like the drones are starting to surface. They must be after getting their orders to flood the threads with testimony of payments. Leaving aside the fact that it is only hearsay anyway and the chances are they are lying to try and save their doomed investment, there seems to be less and less everytime they try to put up a defence.
The flock are losing faith. Guess what happens next...

Chris Smith runs away to the sunset with a lot of money.

[noname999]

More than likely Chris Smith, or whatever his real name is, will go to jail...but his boss is probably already enjoying that sunset. He has made his money. Anything more is just a bonus. They are not even trying to appease the masses any more. They are probably already looking at the next one.

[Joe_Shmoe]

1638

Aaaah Sooozi! another "HERO" who will need to decide soon if she is a criminal or an IDIOT.

[simples]

Ah ha this is what I have been looking for, I stumbled across you using google when finding about BB and glad to find this..... Very interesting reading, thank you

[EagleOne]

Ah ha this is what I have been looking for, I stumbled across you using google when finding about BB and glad to find this..... Very interesting reading, thank you

Welcome to RS and glad you found us. I look forward to you continued contribution to the site.

[Alkibone]

Ah ha this is what I have been looking for, I stumbled across you using google when finding about BB and glad to find this..... Very interesting reading, thank youWelcome :RpS_wink:

[littleroundman]

Regular readers of REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) may have noticed occasional reference to the terms "cheerleaders" and "pimps" and "shills" during discussions about HYIP ponzi games.

Here is a prefect example of what is meant by those terms, taken from the Banners Broker thread on the MMG HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&view=findpost&p=7247929#entry7247929)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/cheerleader.jpg

There ya go.

Against all the evidence, Mr Shill pops up and implies all the other posters are liars, and only he is privy to the fact "everyone has received their withdrawals"

THAT'S what a cheerleader/shill/pimp does.

[noname999]

Yeah, I see a number of shills have turned up on MMG to lie about getting paid. But unlike previous occasions there are other members coming on refuting the liars claims. Looks like the confidence trick is finally being exposed.
For that cheerleader BlackKnight: if you are going to lie at least make it believeable. Banners Broker themselves have made an official statement saying that payments have been delayed and some even reversed.
You are a liar Black Knight. One of many in BB.
Maybe someone who is a member of MMG may like to point this out to him. I am not a member and don't really want to join yet another forum. If you want a copy of the statement from BB let me know.

[Dreamstealer]

Jordan- you missed the best thing about this hero's post- the fact that posting anything derogatory about BB is "not ethical". She then complains that people shouldn't just think about themselves before posting. are we in some kind of Bizarro world here or what?


WOW, this is unbelievable, look at that post, I don't see how people don't start asking about banners broker after that kind of **** -

1.

http://i.imgur.com/rAyLa.png

2.

http://i.imgur.com/7PeJo.png

3.

http://i.imgur.com/VvfcH.png

[Dreamstealer]

1638

Aaaah Sooozi! another "HERO" who will need to decide soon if she is a criminal or an IDIOT.

Does it have to be one or the other? Can't they be be both?

[Poyol]

Aye, welcome to RS!
Hope to be of service!

[littleroundman]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/banners-1.jpg

Banners Broker thread, Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4913802&postcount=944)

[simples]

Regular readers of REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) may have noticed occasional reference to the terms "cheerleaders" and "pimps" and "shills" during discussions about HYIP ponzi games.

Here is a prefect example of what is meant by those terms, taken from the Banners Broker thread on the MMG HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&view=findpost&p=7247929#entry7247929)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/cheerleader.jpg

There ya go.

Against all the evidence, Mr Shill pops up and implies all the other posters are liars, and only he is privy to the fact "everyone has received their withdrawals"

THAT'S what a cheerleader/shill/pimp does.

Having only just joined and still getting used to forums in general I did not know this, thanks for that, now I understand more of what some posts mean :)

[JordanBright]

Regular readers of REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) may have noticed occasional reference to the terms "cheerleaders" and "pimps" and "shills" during discussions about HYIP ponzi games.

Here is a prefect example of what is meant by those terms, taken from the Banners Broker thread on the MMG HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&view=findpost&p=7247929#entry7247929)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/cheerleader.jpg

There ya go.

Against all the evidence, Mr Shill pops up and implies all the other posters are liars, and only he is privy to the fact "everyone has received their withdrawals"

THAT'S what a cheerleader/shill/pimp does.

Well, people did get the withdrawals today, I can confirm that from people I know that got the money.

but still, panel speed slow as hell, didn't see a change in three days already and live support did not help at all like always "IT is working on it blah blah blah.."

[noname999]

Well, people did get the withdrawals today, I can confirm that from people I know that got the money.

but still, panel speed slow as hell, didn't see a change in three days already and live support did not help at all like always "IT is working on it blah blah blah.."

How many got paid? How long was the delay?

[JordanBright]

How many got paid? How long was the delay?

there are two parts, the people that are standard in banners broker and the withdrawals takes 14 days and for premium, a friend I know asked for it on the 16 (premium) and got it today like other people I know and asked. but still 12 and not 7.. and I'm sure some have been Waiting longer.

[noname999]

Real scam now on page 3 of 'banners broker scam' search.

[Poyol]

Real scam now on page 3 of 'banners broker scam' search.

Not for me!
Ah well, I'm posting in as many places as possible re: Banners Broker.

Jason

[noname999]

Saw an interesting review of BB on a website that the shills have a forum on. If I give appropriate accreditation is it okay to post it here?

[Poyol]

Noname, go ahead and post it; just put the link to where you copied it from.

Jason

[simples]

Regular readers of REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) may have noticed occasional reference to the terms "cheerleaders" and "pimps" and "shills" during discussions about HYIP ponzi games.

Here is a prefect example of what is meant by those terms, taken from the Banners Broker thread on the MMG HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&view=findpost&p=7247929#entry7247929)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/cheerleader.jpg

There ya go.

Against all the evidence, Mr Shill pops up and implies all the other posters are liars, and only he is privy to the fact "everyone has received their withdrawals"

THAT'S what a cheerleader/shill/pimp does.


Being new here and to forums in general I did not know these meanings and now some of the other posts make sense, thank you for explaining this.

[noname999]

So this is the review. It is from a website called moremoneyreview.com.
Of course our friend Deb is already saying its mileading and inaccurate. Hi Deb!
Someone has asked to clarify how it is so we will wait for the response...of course, if you would like to discuss it here Deb, go right ahead.

Banners Brokers Jack Whiteman View.

Having had one of our trusted reviewers try this and report back, and then from learning more from our reviewer and the many comments I decided to take a look at this product for myself.

The first thing that makes me wary of Banners Broker is that it’s not a simple business to understand if you are on the outside.

And rule number one is – know what you are getting into. This fails completely.

It’s a banner selling business but the explanation given is certainly confusing and not straight forward. I felt this is over complicated on purpose to make it seem the idea is more advanced and credible.

Almost every active member says you’ll know more once you are a paying member on the inside – but why would I join before I know what I’m getting into?

More worryingly this is a classic member get member scheme.

To me that breaks rule 2.

If people are encouraging you to join and wanting to befriend you, it’s because the business doesn’t survive without new blood.

Even though those people on the recruitment drive say it’s not necessary for new blood, why are they trying so hard to get more people in? And I mean they are trying very hard. Just go check out the number of members offering to help others, there are hundreds of websites set up for this very reason, plus youtube videos and dozens of posts on various forums.

Each of those members is after you so they get preferential treatment and commissions themselves. So they are not doing this for nothing.

Charity only extends so far in my eyes and sure you can call me a suspicious old fool but I’d rather be a fool who keeps my money in my pocket, thanks.

With Banners Broker being so new I get the distinct impression that the minute the referrers dry up then the on going payments and bonus payments to those involved will stop.

Do I have proof this will happen? No. It’s just my feeling after seeing many similar products before.

Those on the inside say this cannot happen, but then the way the banners broking works, you only get to see the shell and not what is on the inside. It’s almost impossible to see
the proper set up and know for sure this practice is actually happening correctly.

What BB will tell you is that they get dead cheap banner space on websites and sell it to prospects who will pay more.

Does this really happen?

You cannot see that money is coming from advertisers, who they are or really how this scheme works. You just have to take their word for it.

I don’t know any other business that would operate on such a trust basis.

You are told that the advertisers request anonymity and that is plausible but then why is there no statistical breakdown of sector, type or other measure which would give some credibility? Also why is there no third party verification
of this taking place?

For me any business which works in such a hidden and secretive way has to go above and beyond any doubt. For me Banners Broker do next to nothing to set my doubts to rest.

So that’s rule 3 broken too – Trust. I just cannot trust this offer although our tester made some money initially and others have reported some income. I cannot endorse
such a blind opportunity, more transparency is needed.

Never have I seen a way in which a broker could buy space so cheap and sell for a 100% mark up. It just doesn’t happen in my experience.

Some brokerages work but they are working on much smaller commission – 10-20% tops.

For that reason alone I could discount this idea.

More compelling though is the fact that advertisers only book and rebook sites of certain sizes.

As you know successful sites needs lots of traffic, I’m talking hundreds of thousands or millions of impressions per month. These are often the only sites worth advertising on.

Smaller sites that don’t get much traffic are typically not worth buying. Purely because although they might bring some initial results the response when you rebook dies quickly. Those small sites don’t have
enough foot-fall (new visitors) for you to re-book a banner space.

Advertisers know this and normally they wouldn’t even book a test space initially. What is the point when it’s not scalable?

So how Banners Broker have found so many untapped sites? It seems far fetched and without proof it has to be discounted.

Successful sites with good qualify traffic don’t discount their space. The demand and advertisers actually find you and rebook direct.

Most successful sites are booked months ahead, and it’s a dead giveaway when a site has immediate inventory to sell you.

Even if Banners Broker is selling advertising space, I’m pretty sure it’s very low quality sources and the chances of re-booking is minimal. The problem they would have is advertisers will distrust them, as they are deemed low quality.

This isn’t the type of opportunity I could recommend because there are too many questions unanswered.



Now lets not forget. This comes from a website that BB members hold in high esteem. This review comes from the owner of this site. They argued before that if its on this site it must be legit(how they camr up with that I don't know). Now that the site they used as back up is aginst their views lets see how they react.

I will make further comment later but just want to give others a chance.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Does it have to be one or the other? Can't they be be both?

They may well be both but when asked by the authorities I think they will pick only one :RpS_wink:

[samuel.r]

They may well be both but when asked by the authorities I think they will pick only one :RpS_wink:

Joe trust me on this I've had experience with investigations both inside of large corporations and with law enforcement involved. The alibi that "I didn't realize what I was part of" never works for the leadership. Never. They all try it and it gets wrung out of them in the first 30 seconds of the interview. The kid in accounting who hit the 'go' button on a transaction gets away (rightfully) with that excuse but the leadership - never. In fact trying it ends up working against them. Badly.

[samuel.r]

By the way if you have never been part of a serious investigation like this it is a sight to behold. I ran one once where the employee ended up going to prison. You bring him into a conference room off-site, with senior management and undercover police present. The instant the guy walks into the room the color drains out of his face because he knows exactly what the topic is.

In a matter of minutes Mr. Cool is in tears, hands shaking, explaining how it "got away from him" and "I'm only in my early thirties I can't go to jail" and "can we work out a deal".

This is never a pleasant experience on either side of the table, but the point is that there is such a far disconnect between what the person was thinking when they were in the middle of their "endeavour" and how reality sinks in once the unsmiling law enforcement folks are involved...it's enough to convince you to never get a speeding ticket much less try to scam anyone (or in this case, a business) out of money.

I am not kidding. I still wake up in the middle of the night on this one and I was the guy on the safe side of the table.

[noname999]

I see people are now complaining that panels close to finishing are getting no traffic whereas other panels with a long way to go are getting traffic. My my aren' t BB very clever...NOT!

[noname999]

HA! One of the shills just said its a traffic jam!! Best excuse yet. They have so much traffic it has caused a traffic jam. What a bunch of liars. Who do they think will believe this crap?

[JordanBright]

I see people are now complaining that panels close to finishing are getting no traffic whereas other panels with a long way to go are getting traffic. My my aren' t BB very clever...NOT!

not true, panels are not moving AT ALL.

[Whip]

HA! One of the shills just said its a traffic jam!! Best excuse yet. They have so much traffic it has caused a traffic jam. What a bunch of liars. Who do they think will believe this crap?

It is.......everyone's trying to get all their money out at once. That's the only 'traffic'

[noname999]

So just to recap on this week's revelations:

there are no ads worth talking about...the panels have slowed...the panels have stopped...the payments have been delayed...the payments been stopped...money has been snatched back.

Great business alright, how could you possibly consider getting involved with these crooks??

[JordanBright]

So just to recap on this week's revelations:

there are no ads worth talking about...the panels have slowed...the panels have stopped...the payments have been delayed...the payments been stopped...money has been snatched back.

Great business alright, how could you possibly consider getting involved with these crooks??

the worst thing for me is the I.D theft, not the small money or the money that people can lose but that even after banners broker will close it gates they still hold 200K+ I.D pictures, that's insane!

[Joe_Shmoe]

I guess by now many victims have realised that their money (real & imaginary) is trapped in an eWallet that they have no control over.
They are not able to speak to online support.
They are never online & are useless anyway.
(they only ever say there are IT troubles, or hackers, or aliens have stopped the "Ad Engine" with cosmic space super ray guns or some such thing)
And yet are still expected to carry on paying a $15 or $100 monthly subscription.


WAKE UP PEOPLE STOP THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD

[laidback]

I guess by now many victims have realised that their money (real & imaginary) is trapped in an eWallet that they have no control over.
They are not able to speak to online support.
They are never online & are useless anyway.
(they only ever say there are IT troubles, or hackers, or aliens have stopped the "Ad Engine" with cosmic space super ray guns or some such thing)
And yet are still expected to carry on paying a $15 or $100 monthly subscription.


WAKE UP PEOPLE STOP THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BADSeems like a lot of them failed this test----->1639

[JordanBright]

Well, not only panel speed have been like **** but now panels are changed, today I checked my account and what do you know, 2 yellow panels finished the job and made 4, all good? NO. I did not put my 2 old yellow panels on 100% but on 50% - 10$ to the ewallet and 10 to buy another yellow, what the hell?

and more on the panels, the purple panels still move like ****, but the yellows they finished, the blue is close but purples, they are taking all the time in the world, I'm stuck in banners broker and can't get out.. omg.

[littleroundman]

I'm stuck in banners broker and can't get out.. omg.

And that, my friend, is the reality of playing HYIP ponzis.

What's even worse is that 80% to 90% of all members will end up the same way.

[JordanBright]

And that, my friend, is the reality of playing HYIP ponzis.

What's even worse is that 80% to 90% of all members will end up the same way.

I already knew that but the, but the part that is new here is that they are keeping me in it even if I don't do anything (like changing panels to 100%..) never heard of it before, but then again it's not that I've been in another HYIP.

[littleroundman]

I already knew that but the, but the part that is new here is that they are keeping me in it even if I don't do anything (like changing panels to 100%..) never heard of it before, but then again it's not that I've been in another HYIP.

That's the whole point, though, isn't it ??

Seeting aside the fact HYIP ponzis are illegal, the majority of "players" have no idea how to "play"

There are ALWAYS signs, ALWAYS.

If people want to play HYIP ponzi games, it's their choice.

If they know they're illegal and 90% of players will lose, and they STILL choose to play, so be it.

But, for chrissakes, they could be a LITTLE bit smart about it.

Stupid, illegal AND pig headed is a dangerous combination when HYIP ponzi are involved.

[Char]

the worst thing for me is the I.D theft, not the small money or the money that people can lose but that even after banners broker will close it gates they still hold 200K+ I.D pictures, that's insane!

Can you tell us exactly what personal info they have on people?

Did they ask for SS#, photos, driver's license numbers, home address, real bank acct. info., passwords, family names, etc.? Please list all. Thx

[JordanBright]

Can you tell us exactly what personal info they have on people?

Did they ask for SS#, photos, driver's license numbers, home address, real bank acct. info., passwords, family names, etc.? Please list all. Thx

They asked for any card that will identify it's you, but I don't think they card which one and how do you call it, they ask for Drivers license or I.D, or any other one (passport..) they ask real name and last name, if you want to make a BB card you also have to put a proof of address that is just a fancy name for you taking a picture of a bill you have listed for you, they also ask the mothers name if you want a BB card.. they ask a lot.

oh and if you didn't get it they ask for a picture of it, not just the numbers, a full picture (scanned one but if you take a pic from the cell they don't care, just to show how much **** they give about their own rules)

[JordanBright]

Here you go, all the info banners broker wants from you -

http://i.imgur.com/1Ox7B.png
http://i.imgur.com/Pmwgo.png

Bank -

http://i.imgur.com/lRHRf.png
http://i.imgur.com/G6GT0.png


and here is the PDF -

https://bannersbroker.com/images/BBcardForm.pdf

[simples]

Wow, they ask for a lot of information, I am really glad I found this site, thanks guys, you are doing a great job at exposing them.

[Char]

They asked for any card that will identify it's you, but I don't think they card which one and how do you call it, they ask for Drivers license or I.D, or any other one (passport..) they ask real name and last name, if you want to make a BB card you also have to put a proof of address that is just a fancy name for you taking a picture of a bill you have listed for you, they also ask the mothers name if you want a BB card.. they ask a lot.

oh and if you didn't get it they ask for a picture of it, not just the numbers, a full picture (scanned one but if you take a pic from the cell they don't care, just to show how much **** they give about their own rules)

So this is what they might have on an individual:

*Scanned copy of your passport or driver's license
*Home address w/ proof
*Phone numbers and email address
*All your banking info including account number, routing numbers, branch info
*Your mother's maiden name
*Info on someone close to you (i.e. beneficiary field)

And who exactly is this info in the hands of? Someone is Russia?
I would be taking this issue very seriously indeed.

[scinvestor]

SO!

How does banners broker make money?

Let us put the cash flow variables into perspective:

Cash Inflow:

Subscriptions from members
Selling of new virtual packages to existing members and newcomers
Additional account funding with actual money to "qualify" packages
Fees per support ticket
Actual contracts with advertisers



Cash Outflow

Cash withdrawals from members
Fees to publishers
Expenses


Concerning the Cash Inflow I can speculated as follows:

Subscriptions from members: A significant amount of money is being flowing every month into the bank account of banners broker. Considering that the number of members can now be higher than 100.000 persons they manage to collect approximately 2 million USD per month, or even more if we take into account the recent changes ("upgrades") which are giving the option to members to pay a higher subscription in order to have a faster growth rate of their panels. This part of income is IMH(and very)O the cash cow of BB. Their marketing plan is aiming at attracting more subscribers as Selling of new virtual packages to existing members and newcomers and Additional account funding with actual money to "qualify" packages are very crucial for the system feasibility. This is obvious to the observer by simply going through the various websites that promote BB and the various forums which are run by people who purposely create the need to the people to expand the whole thing.

We can not however neglect the amount they manage to collect for providing "support" to members. While the concept of the business is very very simple, buying add space and sell it at higher price, they purposely created a very complicated system that not only makes it impossible to an outsider to understand but creates a continuous need fro support to the insider as this is an extra source of income to the system.

Although the figures make no sense and banners broker can not prove that they actually are involved in real web advertising business, I would give them credit for this. I would assume that they indeed sell some advertising to some very small players in the field. It would be however, naive if one tries to convince anyone that BB is attracting any significant amount of advertising fees. Simply because the real players need real traffic, they study extensively all the options and choose to go with the best value for money. BB can not sell any advertising at any favorable value for money ratio to any serious advertiser. Period!

Concerning the Cash Outflow we can similarly assume the following:

It is expected that there are some administration fees, salaries to people who actually work for them, buying of assets etc. But if I was running a HYIP game like this one, I would try to maintain these expenses to as minimum as required to run the system. As wee can judge from the quality level of their services to their members, BB is very likely to keep these expenses below the minimum. We have seen all kind of excuses for really bad performance of their servers. We can not give any trophy to their customer service. It is apparent that all administrators of all relative forums are no way trained experts in the field and it would be naive to believe that BB spends any money in staff training beyond what is necessary for the main target, which is attract more people in!

In line with my speculations about selling of real advertising goes my speculations for cash payments to publishers. I would assume that the most publishers here are websites owned by BB or BB members and the real cash outflow is negligible.

A real threat however to the stability of the system would be the cash withdrawals from members ! As the number of members is getting higher it becomes more and more difficult for this scheme to grow fast enough. Therefore the growth rate as this moves away from the start and moves towards maturity becomes percentage wise lower, and lower, and lower. It is common for these systems to give out some cash to the early members just because this is feasible in the beginning. As the systems matures though, they have to invent the ways to keep the more cash in. With BB we have seen delays in payments, slower growth rates for the panels, and even some new rules which if broken by any member there is a risk of accounts closings, forfeiting any assets (virtual or actual). All these are the ways the system is using to make the actual cash outflow slower. This is the only way to survive. Eventually the capabilities of paying out any real money to members will drop below the actual money inflow, because no matter how hard the system fights to stay alive, the members would need to earn from it. As the later is impossible a spectacular collapse follows. All these systems have an expiry date. And sometimes their termination takes effect violently by law-enforcement bodies. It is not a surprise that some people from BB who obviously are standing somewhere higher than the average member, and could have a more detailed knowledge of the system they are trying hard to avoid any trigger for inspections! We have seen this behavior with BB as well.

My advise to any prospective members is not to give any money, not to provide any information to banners broker. To those who are already in is to stop paying any money for whatever reason to BB. Just stop all payments and try if possible to close your accounts even if you are loosing some money. The longer you stay in, the more damage you will suffer in the future, and the more damage you will cause to other people.

[JordanBright]

So this is what they might have on an individual:

*Scanned copy of your passport or driver's license
*Home address w/ proof
*Phone numbers and email address
*All your banking info including account number, routing numbers, branch info
*Your mother's maiden name
*Info on someone close to you (i.e. beneficiary field)

And who exactly is this info in the hands of? Someone is Russia?
I would be taking this issue very seriously indeed.

not all of that is manddatory as you can see only the stuff that has '*' or red line around the box that you need to enter the details is mandatory, others stuff is don't but still all that info and we can't even take it down. the only thing that holds the I.D pic is a "watermark" but banners broker system put it so they get the original and then put the watermark..

I whould too but people are stupid at first, they see that and they say this must be a secure place, if they take all that info to see you are not stealing money, but after a close look you see that info is the thing that might be the key for them to steal YOUR money..

[littleroundman]

And who exactly is this info in the hands of? Someone is Russia?
I would be taking this issue very seriously indeed.

Absolutely right, Char.

Ask any of the Zeek Rewards members who have had to cancel their credit cards after getting 20 or 30 unauthorized charges from people they'd never heard of against their C/C AFTER Zeek was closed down.

I don't know what the going price is ATM for databases of the size of Zeeks or Banners Broker, but I've heard of them changing hands for up to $10,000 for those with complete details like Banners Brokers' has.

[JordanBright]

My advise to any prospective members is not to give any money, not to provide any information to banners broker. To those who are already in is to stop paying any money for whatever reason to BB. Just stop all payments and try if possible to close your accounts even if you are loosing some money. The longer you stay in, the more damage you will suffer in the future, and the more damage you will cause to other people.

no, the I.D and info is still in the hands of the unknown people that has this site.. maybe you are not putting any money but that will be so easy to just take all the info you have put in and put it again in an account, then put some fake or transfer some people so it seems that you signed up a lot of people and at the end it will come back to you. there is nothing to do really..

by the way, people that paid to banners broker with alliedwallet - send an email to the support and ask to REMOVE your account, say remove not stop all money flow or something.

[scinvestor]

no, the I.D and info is still in the hands of the unknown people that has this site.. maybe you are not putting any money but that will be so easy to just take all the info you have put in and put it again in an account, then put some fake or transfer some people so it seems that you signed up a lot of people and at the end it will come back to you. there is nothing to do really..

by the way, people that paid to banners broker with alliedwallet - send an email to the support and ask to REMOVE your account, say remove not stop all money flow or something.

What else can you you do against identity abuse fraud? I would close all associated bank accounts, and credit cards, reformat my PC, block any BB associated sites and hope that I won't be one of the unlucky guys. Unfortunately there is no guarantee your identity information are deleted from their records even if you get a written confirmation for it. Save what ever you can save. This is a risk everyone should be informed about if ever consider participating in HYIP / ponzi games.

[JordanBright]

What else can you you do against identity abuse fraud? I would close all associated bank accounts, and credit cards, reformat my PC, block any BB associated sites and hope that I won't be one of the unlucky guys. Unfortunately there is no guarantee your identity information are deleted from their records even if you get a written confirmation for it. Save what ever you can save. This is a risk everyone should be informed about if ever consider participating in HYIP / ponzi games.

yes, everybody should know that.

[Alkibone]

From MoreMoneyReview:

orsoncane says:

"Just do a quick Google search for 'online advertising'. You won’t find BB in the first 30 pages."

Good point, orsoncane.

[scinvestor]

From MoreMoneyReview:

orsoncane says:

"Just do a quick Google search for 'online advertising'. You won’t find BB in the first 30 pages."

Good point, orsoncane.

You wont find any BB add in any website famous either.

[Joe_Shmoe]

You wont find any BB add in any website famous either.

Yet somehow Banners Broker say are making millions upon millions of dollars. :duh:

[Sillygilly]

The "gullible and niave" are the fools BB and all these ponzi scammers want to attract and they do it amazingly well. They ask for your money and you believe all the hype and tripe they feed to you. You never question their business model or try and work out whether what they claim is actually viable.
You desperately want to believe all the positive stories and choose to disregard the negative.

I have yet to hear anybody question why the tax and vat man isn't chasing all these guillible fools that have invested loads of money and made "Millions" or even a pound/dollar/euro. Every amount of money earned has to have tax applied if applicable (you have already used your allowance in your day job) The short answer is, they know you ain't going make any money.

Bookmakers are all rich...................thanks to guillible people! The world is full of people lacking in common sense and they will remain lacking until they become more inquisative and questioning.

[Julie Diligent]

The world is full of people lacking in common sense...

Indeed. As P.T. Barnum is widely (but erroneously) credited with coining: "There's a sucker born every minute."

Which wouldn't be so bad if there weren't a sociopath born every day to exploit them.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Another little clue to the presence or lack of Banners Broker ads is the non appearance in the advertising section on an ad-blocker I use on Firefox & Chrome (it's pretty good)
It's called Ghostery.

In the list of advertisers blocked, Banners Broker isn't even listed, it lists 518 other advertisers but not Banners Broker.
Obviously Banners Broker is not even worth blocking, no need to block it if it ain't there.

[JordanBright]

http://i.imgur.com/X8JPJ.png

so sad :(

[Joe_Shmoe]

Yes stop moaning & be silent while we rob you blind you ungrateful swine. :RpS_smile:
1643

[JordanBright]

Hey guys, a quick question, where do I post here a name of a guy that is scamming other people on the internet to join the ponzis he is on and promoting for money? the name is "Greg Swift" you can find him on youtube he is talking about banners broker non stop, he is also promoting solavei and now a new thing 'Funky Shark' and he uses bots to view the video he have posted to get more views.. but that's not all when I started asking questions he just blocked me, deleted all the stuff I wrote on the youtube videos and now people Don't know about it, I want people to search the name and find a thread about him.

another thing, if you see on youtube he looks like a new in this kind of stuff, talking like it but don't take the bait, he is on dailymotion -
webwork: his videos on Dailymotion (http://www.dailymotion.com/webwork#video=xa6jto)

promoting all kind of ****, Greg if you see this, I downloaded the video files from dailymotion so if you del them I will upload them.

so yeah, where do I post about this scammer?

[Soapboxmom]

Your wish is my command:

http://www.realscam.com/f11/greg-swift-brilliant-businessman-scammer-extraordinaire-1629/#post29342

[team bannersbroker]

hi....steve...uk here

Not sure where your getting your info from.??..plenty of guys in bb making a good living.What type of business do you guys do?/?

[samuel.r]

Today is Jamie's birthday. I can't imagine having such a milestone and when really, really thinking about it...like at night when nobody is around...thinking that in a year from now instead of celebrating a birthday, life could be a lot different than it is now.

Birthdays are a time to be a little introspective. I would be seriously worried, if this thing collapses, what would my personal fate be? Lawsuits from angry members who looked at you as a 'hero' and leader? Possible criminal charges?

I would have to be 1000% convinced that this is legit and have proof of my own, if I led so many people down this path. If I had even a shred of doubt, combined with the very real possibility of disastrous consequences, I could not keep it up.

Man this must really be playing on his mind...I could not imagine this kind of stress.

[EagleOne]

Today is Jamie's birthday. I can't imagine having such a milestone and when really, really thinking about it...like at night when nobody is around...thinking that in a year from now instead of celebrating a birthday, life could be a lot different than it is now.

Birthdays are a time to be a little introspective. I would be seriously worried, if this thing collapses, what would my personal fate be? Lawsuits from angry members who looked at you as a 'hero' and leader? Possible criminal charges?

I would have to be 1000% convinced that this is legit and have proof of my own, if I led so many people down this path. If I had even a shred of doubt, combined with the very real possibility of disastrous consequences, I could not keep it up.

Man this must really be playing on his mind...I could not imagine this kind of stress.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but he sleeps just fine and feels aboslutely no remorse for what he is doing. He could care less about how many people he hurts, as long as he makes millions.

He also knows there are probably close to 10,000 Ponzi's on the Internet and thousands more offline, which means he has a very slim chance of being caught by the feds. He also knows that by the time the feds are on to him, he is long gone with all the money.

Let me put this in perspective for you. In 2011, almost $1 Trillion Dollars was stolen just in Europe. Toss in the rest of the world and it is closing in on $2 Trillion Dollars. Law enforcement is overwhelmed, outmanned, and outspent by these pimps. So law enforcement has to be selective in who they target and investigate; and investigations take time.

Sadly, this is one Ponzi that is just not that big to get any action by the feds, no matter the country. Now if a politician or high government official would have a family member get caught up in this, a different story.

We do our best to aid law enforcement but the best thing we can do is to keep warning people and pray that they don't invest and become a victim. One key to stopping these Ponzi's is education. That's why you see so many of us exposing these Ponzi's and warning people so they can get educated.

[samuel.r]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but he sleeps just fine and feels aboslutely no remorse for what he is doing. He could care less about how many people he hurts, as long as he makes millions.


I respect your perspective. I believe what you stated applies solidly to the guys at the top. These regional guys, however, are at more risk of both civil litigation and possibly criminal, if enough of the downlines or the vast number of people who took their 'gospel advice' turn on them if the program collapses.

There is the doctrine of respondeat superior at work here, in my opinion.

That's why I said what I did about Jamie. He is putting himself at far more risk than he realizes - or he has incontrivable proof that the business is legit. For his sake I hope it's the latter, but I have not seen anything that could even begin to suffice in that regard.

[scinvestor]

So this is what they might have on an individual:

*Scanned copy of your passport or driver's license
*Home address w/ proof
*Phone numbers and email address
*All your banking info including account number, routing numbers, branch info
*Your mother's maiden name
*Info on someone close to you (i.e. beneficiary field)

And who exactly is this info in the hands of? Someone is Russia?
I would be taking this issue very seriously indeed.

I would say it is pretty outrageous that thousands of people have paid and continue to pay a potential fraudster to get this information from them.

[littleroundman]

hi....steve...uk here

..plenty of guys in bb making a good living.

Oh, that's all right then, as long as they get theirs, why should anybody care about how they do it or who they hurt while doing it ??

[Dreamstealer]

hi....steve...uk here

Not sure where your getting your info from.??..plenty of guys in bb making a good living.What type of business do you guys do?/?

Hi Steve,
I run my own business, do less work than you and almost certainly make more money (even your fake e-money). The advantage i have over the average BB punter is i have a high IQ. The disadvantage i have is that i have lost a substantial amount of money in my life by not taking up business that i thought was unethical. I appreciate that not all BB punters share my disadvantage, but at least i can sleep.

Where are we getting our info from? Jesus Christ man- wake up and smell the roses. If you have no doubts by now you are either promoting this ponzi or have really been suckered in.

[Dreamstealer]

I have yet to hear anybody question why the tax and vat man isn't chasing all these guillible fools that have invested loads of money and made "Millions" or even a pound/dollar/euro. Every amount of money earned has to have tax applied if applicable (you have already used your allowance in your day job) The short answer is, they know you ain't going make any money.


In the UK i imagine VAT doesn't apply as there are point of supply rules that probably means it takes place out of the EU. (I haven't been bothered to double check this so can't guarantee it.) UK tax will be payable on earnings before 5/4/12 on 31/1/13 so there will have been no chasing yet. I was shown a Talking B(ull) B(umdumps) forum that discussed tax and there were 2 camps:- the people that have accountants and were advised that all earnings were taxable, and the people that knew the tax system better than highly qualified tax experts who preferred to believe they didn't have to pay tax. Crooks or morons, or both. You decide.

[JordanBright]

Your wish is my command:

http://www.realscam.com/f11/greg-swift-brilliant-businessman-scammer-extraordinaire-1629/#post29342

Thanks, Will post some stuff over there

[scinvestor]

hi....steve...uk here

Not sure where your getting your info from.??..plenty of guys in bb making a good living.What type of business do you guys do?/?

Hello there. I work 38 hours a week in a medium size company (150 employees) in the field of pharmaceutical industry. I am making enough to afford brief holidays every few months, own 3 houses and 3 cars, all of which paid with honest and hard-work-earned money, and I pay every last penny of my taxes!

How would you describe your business Steve?

[Poyol]

I work 40 hours a week as a computer engineer. Am I rich? No way, José.

I rent, have two kids and a doting fiancee. I also have done some PI work in the past for a few private clients.

Jason

[littleroundman]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/serious-1.jpg

Banners Broker thread, MMG HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&view=findpost&p=7252245#entry7252245)

[Poyol]

If I could 'like' that, I would! But I can't on my BlackBerry!

[path2prosperity]

In the UK i imagine VAT doesn't apply as there are point of supply rules that probably means it takes place out of the EU. (I haven't been bothered to double check this so can't guarantee it.) UK tax will be payable on earnings before 5/4/12 on 31/1/13 so there will have been no chasing yet. I was shown a Talking B(ull) B(umdumps) forum that discussed tax and there were 2 camps:- the people that have accountants and were advised that all earnings were taxable, and the people that knew the tax system better than highly qualified tax experts who preferred to believe they didn't have to pay tax. Crooks or morons, or both. You decide.

They do not have to pay VAT if they are based in UK? Absolute rubbish. Check this out

When to register for VAT (http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/start/register/when-to-register.htm)

[Joe_Shmoe]

Banners Broker used to say they were VAT registered ('cos it made 'em look legit I suspect) & quoted 127 4822 13 as a VAT number, &
I believe charged their victims VAT for a period.
However when people started to check the VAT number 127 4822 13 it came up as invalid.
Suddenly they stopped charging VAT.
Although they had already started to collect it. When some victims enquired on TalkingBB if they would get a refund they were told no as the VAT had already been passed to the Taxman. Although how could it have been if Banners Broker had an invalid VAT number?
No doubt Banners Broker would say it was valid, they paid the VAT then when looked into further no VAT needed to be paid so it was de-registered.

I'm wondering if it is possible to check if the VAT number quoted was ever valid?

[Whip]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/serious-1.jpg

Banners Broker thread, MMG HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&view=findpost&p=7252245#entry7252245)

That is hilarious and finally a new excuse.

[JordanBright]

Banners Broker used to say they were VAT registered ('cos it made 'em look legit I suspect) & quoted 127 4822 13 as a VAT number, &
I believe charged their victims VAT for a period.
However when people started to check the VAT number 127 4822 13 it came up as invalid.
Suddenly they stopped charging VAT.
Although they had already started to collect it. When some victims enquired on TalkingBB if they would get a refund they were told no as the VAT had already been passed to the Taxman. Although how could it have been if Banners Broker had an invalid VAT number?
No doubt Banners Broker would say it was valid, they paid the VAT then when looked into further no VAT needed to be paid so it was de-registered.

I'm wondering if it is possible to check if the VAT number quoted was ever valid?

Day 77 Banners Broker 2.5 Launched (http://www.bannersbrokerstrategy.com/2012/07/day-77-banners-broker-2-5-launched/)


Do you have to pay VAT in Banners Broker?

Alot of people are now asking questions about VAT. The simple answer is that in some countries, where BB is registered for VAT such as Canada and Uk you have to pay VAT on your panels and packages. I shouldn’t worry about it too much, there is still loads of money to be made.

yep.

[scinvestor]

Banners Broker used to say they were VAT registered ('cos it made 'em look legit I suspect) & quoted 127 4822 13 as a VAT number, &
I believe charged their victims VAT for a period.
However when people started to check the VAT number 127 4822 13 it came up as invalid.
Suddenly they stopped charging VAT.
Although they had already started to collect it. When some victims enquired on TalkingBB if they would get a refund they were told no as the VAT had already been passed to the Taxman. Although how could it have been if Banners Broker had an invalid VAT number?
No doubt Banners Broker would say it was valid, they paid the VAT then when looked into further no VAT needed to be paid so it was de-registered.

I'm wondering if it is possible to check if the VAT number quoted was ever valid?

If confirmed this is serious man! They are not even capable of scamming people in a clever way! This one is screaming out very loudly! How idiots can they be? And how many individuals do fell for all this make-your-dream-come-true crab?

[path2prosperity]

You have a record of the false VAT registration number for Banners Broker so the best thing to do is to inform the British investegative journalist who has co operated with Patrick Pretty on some cases.

Tony Hetherington (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/article-1266764/TONY-HETHERINGTON.html)

[Joe_Shmoe]

Done.

Lets see what happens. Not hopeful though...

[Dreamstealer]

They do not have to pay VAT if they are based in UK? Absolute rubbish. Check this out

When to register for VAT (http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/start/register/when-to-register.htm)

I have just checked it out and i was right. It depends on the place of supply and the rental of online advertising occurs at the place the recipient lives. Belize in this case. I know it is rubbish but that's the law. Only UK supplies are VATABLE.

[noname999]

Still doesn't explain the bogus VAT No.

[Dreamstealer]

Damn right. I have used the validation service before and have only had one problem with it so almost certainly bogus. HMRC aren't very proactive though so don't expect too much. I suspect that BB (as opposed to the individual "traders") should have been registered as their "place of supply" was the front room of their victims. By the way noname, you and guys like Poyol are doing a brilliant and very useful job here.

[noname999]

I don't know what I'm doing really! Cheers though. I'll keep trying. There are others here that are doing far more than me. Hopefully they will be rewarded with results soon...

[JordanBright]

Even if you are a multi million dollar company you still need PHP Programmers right? where whould you find some good ones? on Twitter obviously..

https://twitter.com/bannersbroker

[noname999]

Look at us, we are pretending to hire programmers, we must be legit...:pt:

[JordanBright]

Look at us, we are pretending to hire programmers, we must be legit...:pt:

No no, I'm pretty sure they do hire people, but just so if the site goes down again it will be quicker, the IT team will double itself from one guy to two guys (I guess..)

[noname999]

Yeah, I saw a previous ad. They said there would be a set up cost of about 300£. This would be paid by the candidate.
They also said that they would double this investment in 2 months. Yet, they say its not a doubler...even though they described it as a doubler...need I go on....

[scratchycat]

It is still being advertised all over Adlandpro - Scamlandpro.

BANNERS BROKER

1645

GOOGLE SEARCH

1646

[JordanBright]

It is still being advertised all over Adlandpro - Scamlandpro.

BANNERS BROKER

1645

GOOGLE SEARCH

1646

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m69ojlZemc1qfl6qb.jpg

[path2prosperity]

I have just checked it out and i was right. It depends on the place of supply and the rental of online advertising occurs at the place the recipient lives. Belize in this case. I know it is rubbish but that's the law. Only UK supplies are VATABLE.

It is amost thirty years since I was VAT registered and I was not a member of BB so I can not add anything to that. However there is more about "Supplying and delivering excise goods from another country." listed on Custome web site and there may be some BB members who are British who should be VAT registered.

[EagleOne]

I have a new groupie at MMG in the BB thread. Denigrates me in his post, and then claims he has helped prosecutors take down two bank CEO's but admits he is in BB and proud of it. I guess his post was not considered a personal attack. Just too :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

[Whip]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m69ojlZemc1qfl6qb.jpg

lol. Love the Frye man

[EagleOne]

Thought I would do a little checking on the address they show for their UK office: Tradeforce Building, Room 8; Cornwall Place, Bradford BD8 7JT. They show a phone number: Phone: 0844 5567 200. Notice there is no street number or name. When I did the postal search, nothing came back for Banners Broker, but I did get a listing for City Offices.

Maybe path2prosperity could check out this address and phone number, and let us know what it is and if it is a real address and phone number for them. I seriously doubt it.

[EagleOne]

I had an idea that my new groupie at MMG would have his post deleted by a mod, but didn't expect them to delete a couple of others that were on-topic about BB. Glad I did a copy and paste of the comment for my own records. Didn't want to waste the space doing a screenshot.

I am beginning to wonder if real information showing this to be a Ponzi is going to be allowed to stand when posted now at MMG. Several really good posts were deleted that I thought were on-topic and I was looking forward to an answer. Hopefully it will be re-posted so it won't get deleted. Good stuff, and can't wait to debunk the UK address. Which means all the other addresses are probably fake as well.

I think this one is on its last legs, and there are going to be a lot of people that are going to lose a lot of money when they do run, and they will run.

[Dreamstealer]

It is amost thirty years since I was VAT registered and I was not a member of BB so I can not add anything to that. However there is more about "Supplying and delivering excise goods from another country." listed on Custome web site and there may be some BB members who are British who should be VAT registered.

The supply of goods (basically something tangible)has different rules to the supply of services. "Advertising" is a service. The point is moot though as i think we both agree that there is probably no real business here.

[Poyol]

Eagle, I checked the phone number -- that was answered by an automated 'Out of hours' answer machine; I'll try after 9am.

I'll also phone the site officer for the building that they claim to be in and find out.

[EagleOne]

Eagle, I checked the phone number -- that was answered by an automated 'Out of hours' answer machine; I'll try after 9am.

I'll also phone the site officer for the building that they claim to be in and find out.

Thanks for checking on the phone number. When they leave out the street address it is a sure sign the address is bogus. Besides, I would not be surprised the phone number is re-routed to another number. A lot of the FOREX Ponzi's use this tactic. Still it will be interesting to see what you find out.

[Poyol]

The office does exist -- just asking some of my contacts who may live close to go and investigate for me.

Otherwise it's a train journey for me!

[Poyol]

Upon a Google search, at that address is a company called Allway Acoustics -- I'll look further into it!

[path2prosperity]

These people seem to change addresses very quickly. I posted an address in Southport further back in this thread and I commented about the fact that it was listed in Merseyside not Lancashire. There was an eight digit telephone number on that one. I rang and it said that the number was not taking calls. There is a seven digit number on the address given for Bradford which looks very odd. Their answerphone says it is Banners Broker support. ODD.

I will go to the library to check out Bradford street directory when it opens. There is another address in Leamington Spa from an outfit that I have never heard about. MoreMoneyReview (http://www.moremoneyreview.com/banners-broker-review-15264.html?gclid=CO6fvbel37ICFaTHtAodkRoA1g) .

This More Money Review outfit claims to be registered to collect VAT. Is that genuine?

I am afraid that this is all I can find out till UK offices start to open.

[Poyol]

https://www.duedil.com/company/00958950/allaway-acoustics-limited

[scinvestor]

I think this one is on its last legs, and there are going to be a lot of people that are going to lose a lot of money when they do run, and they will run.

For those who fancy some numerology comparisons.

Back in February 2012 Zeekrewards website was established among the top 400 most popular sites according to alexa.com traffic ranks. About six months later in August 2012, and as this site was following an increasing popularity pattern, it finally entered the top 100 websites but it halted there quite violently. Is there a limit in popularity of those sites where exposure becomes unbearably too high to trigger an investigation? In the case of Zeek this happened in August 2012 leaving thousands of people with losses. Some of the rats have been captured and sentenced to imprisonment and some others flee away with all the money. Shall we expect something similar to happen with BB?

Today BB is continuing to gain in popularity, and generally it follows some dangerous paths of exposure! We have seen recently BB entering the top 400 most popular websites. Given the analogies I would expect something significant will happen to BB in some months from today. How soon, well that depends on a number of parameters, including the intelligence level of BB's management.

If you are in BB would you trust this quality of management can get you any where "safe" and in a blind spot from the lights of the authorities? I wouldn't. We know that management and generally the way they are handling certain issues is increasing their exposure. The number of BB members who are expressing themselves openly against BB ridiculous excuses is increasing, payments are slowing down, suspicion is widespread among the discussion forums, there are some re-active and desperate announcements and general all this evidence to set up a case is accumulated. Is it time to fly away from a sinking ship? I think that the time is approaching. But it is your decision anyway...

[Poyol]

As per Allaway's website they've moved offices.

I'm going to phone Banners Broker now and ask if they're a Ponzi scheme.

[Poyol]

Surprise surprise -- an automated answer machine answered saying 'Due to a high number of calls we are unable to take your call, please hold.' No holding music -- it just kept ringing, and ringing - then disconnected me.

[Alkibone]

This was posted on the MoreMoneyReview forum, but I don't understand the post. Any comments from you guys would be appreciated.

"BB are now allowing its members to purchase more than one package but only from money made and can only be transferred to another member..

Now why on earth would a company in its death throes as Maynard so eloquently put it do this.

Now bear with me on this..

I buy a package for $145, 6 months or so down the line I make enough money to purchase 5 packages for friends and family.

6 months down the line they do the same and so on.

Within a short period of time BB could have a hundred or so affiliates but would have only taken in real money $145 by which time I would have withdrawn probably more than this. Now imagine say 50 other people do like what I’m doing, you would end up with thousands of affiliates all of whom have not paid a single penny into the system.. Now how long are those who are withdrawing substantial amounts of money be able to carry on doing so?

If BB are a ponzi then this would be a pretty dumb move, if it is not a ponzi then it’s a very clever business move."

[scinvestor]

"BB are now allowing its members to purchase more than one package but only from money made and can only be transferred to another member..



Perhaps the key words here are "can only be transferred to another member". Perhaps you can "buy" more than one package with virtual money and transfer it to an other person who is already a member and as such s(he) already bought some initial packages with real money. Perhaps you are not allowed to transfer this package to let's say me who I am not a member and I did not pay any real money to the system.

Now why on earth do they want to do this? Well, my point of view is that this policy serves as an additional tool to encourage members to keep the money in the system. By offering an additional option, buy some packages with your profits and help others, you do nothing but minimizing withdrawals of actual money.

[scinvestor]

... you do nothing but minimizing withdrawals of actual money.

Which is by the way the number one deadly threat to the system for the time being...

[littleroundman]

BB are now allowing its members to purchase more than one package but only from money made and can only be transferred to another member..

IOW, keeping money inside the system.

Similar tactic to Zeek Rewards' "80 / 20" recommendation.

What it does is change the members' "numbers on a screen" without costing BB anything while simultaneously minimizing outflow and encouraging new members to deposit so they can become "another member" eligible for transferring.

[scinvestor]

Similar tactic to Zeek Rewards' "80 / 20" recommendation.


Similarities with ZeekRewards are suspiciously too many!!! :RpS_wink:

[littleroundman]

Similarities with ZeekRewards are suspiciously too many!!! :RpS_wink:

Under "real analysis" there are virtually no material differences between HYIPs.

Unfortunately for newbies, they have to watch 20 or 30 of them before they realize the music may change, but the song remains the same

[Alkibone]

Thanks for your replies, guys :)

[JordanBright]

Perhaps the key words here are "can only be transferred to another member". Perhaps you can "buy" more than one package with virtual money and transfer it to an other person who is already a member and as such s(he) already bought some initial packages with real money. Perhaps you are not allowed to transfer this package to let's say me who I am not a member and I did not pay any real money to the system.

Now why on earth do they want to do this? Well, my point of view is that this policy serves as an additional tool to encourage members to keep the money in the system. By offering an additional option, buy some packages with your profits and help others, you do nothing but minimizing withdrawals of actual money.

no no, you can give a pack to any member you want as long as the member you are giving it to does not have a pack.. I don't know why they did that move but at first they didn't even say you can only buy and transfer, at first they only said banners broker allowing to buy more then one pack..

oh and panel movement is fucked up + site is moving like **** AGAIN, maybe some hackers cames again for banners broker :RpS_wink:

[scinvestor]

no no, you can give a pack to any member you want as long as the member you are giving it to does not have a pack.. I don't know why they did that move but at first they didn't even say you can only buy and transfer, at first they only said banners broker allowing to buy more then one pack..

oh and panel movement is fucked up + site is moving like **** AGAIN, maybe some hackers cames again for banners broker :RpS_wink:

Let me clarify my understanding:


How can I become a member without purchasing any package?
If I can not subscribe unless if I buy a package how on earth a member can transfer any package to any member without a package as all members have one package at least?
Can you as a member have two or more packages at once and how was it before this announcement?



Anyway the initial comment seems to be still valid, and this change is desperately aiming at keeping the money in the system whatever the details are. An other sign of a ponzi approaching to its end...

[Poyol]

Let me clarify my understanding:


How can I become a member without purchasing any package?
If I can not subscribe unless if I buy a package how on earth a member can transfer any package to any member without a package as all members have one package at least?
Can you as a member have two or more packages at once and how was it before this announcement?



Anyway the initial comment seems to be still valid, and this change is desperately aiming at keeping the money in the system whatever the details are. An other sign of a ponzi approaching to its end...

1) You can become a member by simply joining -- you don't have to buy a package straight away.
2) See above.
3) You can only have on package at once -- you can however buy additional 'panels'.

Jason

[scinvestor]

1) You can become a member by simply joining -- you don't have to buy a package straight away.
2) See above.
3) You can only have on package at once -- you can however buy additional 'panels'.

Jason

Therefore from a marketing point of view this change has two aims:

It provides an extra incentive to non-members, in order to join, by eliminating and/or minimizing any drawbacks which might have been aroused from a wounded credibility of BB. I mean if there is no risk of loosing any money people will be more likely to join. But then again why on earth an old member wanna do that? I think the only reason could be money collected from the receiver of the package. This way BB is getting rid of the obligation to pay actual money to those on profit and they are shifting this obligation to them by letting them find more victims and get the receivable funds from them. A member to member agreement!

SO

Number 1: keep the real money in the system and,
Number 2: attract more customers (victims) and expand further.

[Poyol]

Exactly.
Now why some people can't see that I don't know!

[JVNB]

Therefore from a marketing point of view this change has two aims:

It provides an extra incentive to non-members, in order to join, by eliminating and/or minimizing any drawbacks which might have been aroused from a wounded credibility of BB. I mean if there is no risk of loosing any money people will be more likely to join. But then again why on earth an old member wanna do that? I think the only reason could be money collected from the receiver of the package. This way BB is getting rid of the obligation to pay actual money to those on profit and they are shifting this obligation to them by letting them find more victims and get the receivable funds from them. A member to member agreement!

SO

Number 1: keep the real money in the system and,
Number 2: attract more customers (victims) and expand further.

And you also have to remember that with the purchase of a package only it's almost impossible to make any money for a really long time without also buying a few extra panels and a traffic pack on the side. So most likely people will still be putting in small amounts of money to get their accounts "growing" faster.

[noname999]

Here is an important post from the scam.com thread: Can't remember who wrote it but it great job.
People should read carefully:

BB is using Yesup. Yesup has a ceiling of $1.25 Million per month. Given that the cost of 1000
impressions is $0.25 we have:

1250000 / 0.25 = 5 000 000 thousands of impressions. That is 5 billion impressions. Right?

Now we have the maximum possible capacity of impressions of Yesup. It would be reasonable to
assume that BB is not using the total capacity of Yesup. Even if BB is using 50% of Yesup's
capacity (that is 2,5 billion of impressions) the revenues would be something like $ 0,6 Million
USD.

What percentage do you think ends-up in the affiliates's pockets? Half of it? That is 300 000
USD per month isn't it?

Now divide that figure by 100 000 members and you will find the average earnings per member
per month. That is 3 US dollars.

PS. All the above under ideal circumstances and considering that BB is indeed a broker of
banners, which we all know deep down isn't true.

So the question for all those BB disciples lurking here is, where does the money come from to make up the difference between the 3 dollars and the huge profits promised by BB?

[scinvestor]

So the question for all those BB disciples lurking here is, where does the money come from to make up the difference between the 3 dollars and the huge profits promised by BB?

I did the above calculations, based on the figures Samuel provided on Yesup capacity.

The answer is so obvious. Beyond any reasonable doubt this business is an illegal Ponzi scheme. All evidence and all actions from their end, point to that direction. Ones IQ has to be well below average to believe anything different than that.

[noname999]

Thanks, scinvestor. That was a great post. It had been lost in the move and just wanted to get it out there again. This makes it so obvious that new mebers money is being used to bridge the (huge!)funding gap. People don't seem to want to listen though.
People are still joining even with all the information in front of them. Greed is an ugly, powerful thing.

[scinvestor]

Thanks, scinvestor. That was a great post. It had been lost in the move and just wanted to get it out there again. This makes it so obvious that new mebers money is being used to bridge the (huge!)funding gap. People don't seem to want to listen though.
People are still joining even with all the information in front of them. Greed is an ugly, powerful thing.

Greed, a number of unsuccessful efforts to get a life, opportunistic socioeconomic behavior, and low level of IQ they all form a combination known as the fraudster's paradise! :RpS_sad:

[scinvestor]

Lies and Exaggerations

According to this (http://www.crowdscience.com/2011/11/online-advertising-market-size-in-2011-iab-report/) report, the online advertising market is a rapidly growing one. During the last 15 years the sector grew by almost 180 times its initial size. This is a fact. Unfortunately some individuals who lack information they exaggerate these numbers, and they purposely increase the size of online advertising market to more than 430 billion every year, while it is at the size of 25-30 billion. More specifically the Banner ads made up the majority of display ads, with $3,4 billion in revenue and 23% of the market section of display adverting. This market is dominated by Google, Yahoo, MSN, AOL and many other other smaller players. The word dominated here has the actual meaning of it. It means that these firms have a double digit market share each. In other words the 20% of players have more than the 80% of the market share.



While I am not a specialist in web advertising I have some experience on how big firms plan their marketing campaigns.

Fact number two. The market has a market leader (Google) but it is highly competitive. In a highly competitive market prices are pushed down.

Serious advertisers consider their options very carefully and plan ahead of time very cautiously their marketing mix. They opt to go with the higher value for money alternative. The market price is now at approximately 0.25 USD per thousand of impressions, if we are talking about impressions.

Therefore there is no way Banners Broker is offering this service to any serious/actual advertiser at a price higher than the gold standard. The fact that there are naive individuals who buy the fairy tales from BB it would be impossible to believe that there is a single advertiser with a respectable budget to choose BB. Even if we accept they are a legitimate advertising agent there is no way for a firm to buy BB advertising at the prices they claim they sell.

Think of this. If one considers the whole size of this specific pie (Banner Ads) which is 3.4 billion annually what one would expect the BB market share to be? Please consider that they are a non-transparent company, they have fake addresses in their websites, they have the most bizarre rules for playing this game! And then what would one expect the share left for the 100.000+ members of banners broker?

Yet, they read in BB promoting forums the promises of shills and they expect that one day they gonna get rich. Is this an hypnosis? Is there a chance to wake'em up on time or are they gonna get bust while still asleep?

[noname999]

There is no hope of waking them up. They will only realise when their money is gone. We are not dealing with the cleverest of people here.

[Poyol]

I used to work in Local Government (Mayor's office for you Yankidoodles!) well, I spoke to a few contacts inside -- they may be able to help me. Might not be able to!

Any update on TalkingBB?

[noname999]

Saw a nice response on talkgold, re-emphasising scinvestors previous point. From Randy:

Information on Clicksor is easy to find; this took me something like three minutes:

Cost Metrics | Online Contextual Advertising and Behavioral Marketing Company (http://www.clicksor.com/advertisers/cost-metrics)

Minimum cost 50 cents per 1,000 impressions. They theoretically split that with BB and even allowing a generous 50/50, that's the $0.25 per thousand. That's the minimum, so sure the actual value per thousand impressions could go up but no way are they near Google's $1 to $1.25 per thousand.

Here's a press release. Before you get excited, the 25 Billion impressions per month is a total capacity statement for their datacenter; at the time of the press release they were serving up 3 Billion impressions per month.

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pres...ing-200692.php

Here's another press release:

Clicksor.com - Company Profile : SBWire - The Small Business Newswire | (http://www.sbwire.com/company/clicksorcom-16594.htm)

They have approx 60 employees and their parent company Yesup has yearly revenue of $17M per year:

Yesup Ecommerce Solutions Inc Careers and Employment | Indeed.com (http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Yesup-Ecommerce-Solutions-Inc).

That revenue comes from Clicksor, along with other services the provide (web hosting, etc.)

So again...there is absolutely no way Banners Broker is leveraging Clicksor to generate >$100M of membership payouts per year. We all know that BB has no organic traffic of its own. So even if BB had half of Clicksor's capacity, with extremely generous rounding up to $10M per year with NO margin sharing with Clicksor -- they'd need nine more partners like that to make their claims work.

So one of two things. Either BB is lying about their payout levels, or they are paying members from money being input to the system by other members, or both.

Seriously for a minute here Phil -- do you understand this, or are you going to keep arguing against it? I mean you seem like a smart guy, using Roman numerals and all...you must be able to see this perspective and grasp that something ain't right here...don't you?

On the "investigation" point who the hell knows...there have been enough people whipping up foam on this thing including current members who are irate with them that I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe MM12 got an email from one of them asking for information -- no agency is going to declare there is an active investigation, so what's the point?

Hey congrats on the panels capping - that must be a nice feeling

Do me a favor - share this exact analysis on Clicksor with your buddies over on talkingbb - let's see what they say. Tell them don't bother with the "blind network", "confidentiality", etc. excuses -- they've been leaning hard on Clicksor as the saving reason for all this income -- so how do they explain the miserable failure of the math around it?




No doubt talkingBB are currently trying to come up with some sort of response to that.

Just a quick hello to all the lurkers out there. Don't be shy, introduce yourselves.

[Poyol]

Next action to take is to write a formal email to Clicksor/Yesup in regards to this matter.

Let them know a Ponzi is an illegal scheme-- it would show them in a bad light etc.

Jason

[path2prosperity]

Hi Noname: Jack Whiteman runs MoreMoneyReview, and his report just before the thread begins is critical of BB.

I had never heard of MoreMoneyReview before coming into this thread. Scroll to the bottom of their Home page and check to see if the VAT registration number which is quoted at the foot of the page is valid or phoney.

[Poyol]

Yes, valid VAT number

Member State GB
VAT Number GB 629728794
Date when request received 2012/10/02 10:57:48
Name FLEET STREET PUBLICATIONS LTD
Address FLEET STREET PUBLICATIONS
8TH FLOOR FRIARS BRIDGE COURT
41-45 BLACKFRIARS ROAD
LONDON
SE1 8NZ
Consultation Number

[noname999]

I had never heard of MoreMoneyReview before coming into this thread. Scroll to the bottom of their Home page and check to see if the VAT registration number which is quoted at the foot of the page is valid or phoney.

Kind of amusing. Many of the BB shills held that site in high esteem until Jack was critical of their beloved programme.

[Poyol]

Banners Broker Scam is down to Page 3 now.
We need a bit more activity in this thread, guys!

So, let's get some REAL due diligence as much as we can.

Jason

[noname999]

Yeah, I have noticed it dropping. What I can't understand is there are some sites/threads that have been shut down for months and still appear higher on a search.

[Poyol]

Google takes a while to catch up with deleted threads.
Search ranking is also based on Alexa ranking, how good SEO is etc.

A link need to be posted on MMG.

Jason

[noname999]

Is there someone who is a member who can post a link there?

[Poyol]

I don't know -- I'm on too many forums at the moment -- I need to transfer all of my important emails over to a new account I get too much spam to sift through all of my emails.

So, I'm on TalkGold at the moment, Noname, fancy joining me?

Jason

[noname999]

Cool. Will do.

Lets not lose the emphasis on this thread though. This will be the most productive one.

[Poyol]

Don't worry about that, I'm here for good.

Jason

[noname999]

I see some other poor sucker is complaining of lack of payment(on moremoneyreview). How long before the blame and personal attacks start on him?

Just posted by Randy on MMG regarding this:

BB just got smacked hard by MasterCard for all that nonsense BB affiliates have been spouting off about how credible BB is due to the relationship with MC. Here's a direct quote from one of the BB leadership emails:

"BB have got the MasterCard endorsement that MLM and other companies have no hope of getting. That my friends really is QED for the BB case of compliance."

Thanks to this genius move very single BB member will be getting an email warning that if they even mention "MasterCard", they need to have approval from BB Compliance Office (oxymoron) before they can use that language.

Anyone with even half of a quarter of a brain would know that MasterCard doesn't endorse anyone from a business compliance sense, and if they did they wouldn't publish it.

So, there you go -- another lie from the top of BB now exposed and the heavy hammer of BB coming down. If your account got seized I wish you luck getting it back. MC has warned BB that they will yank the prepaid card service away completely if they don't clean this up immediately. As their investigation continues, that might end up happening anyway.

The last thing MC wants is a bunch of lawsuits from people going after the deepest pocket, if BB should happen to be exposed as a money cycler.

Is randy a member here?

[Poyol]

... I hope we had an impact on reporting this to MC.
I know I did personally report this issue to them.

As have a few others.

Nice to see the wheels start turning.

Jason

[noname999]

They promised there would be a timely investigation. Lets hope it bears fruit.

[Poyol]

MasterCard are free to contact me at jason@jasonanthonyclark.co.uk as are any of you who read this.

Jason

[scratchycat]

It should have been expected with leaders like strosedog blogging about it.


May 21, 2012

Hi Dirson,

Once again thanks for the regular updates! You’re doing an awesome job and we love you for that.
strosdegoz

May 21, 2012 at 8:07 am

You’re Welcome. It’s my pleasure.

So now we link another name to him - Dirson?

Banners Broker Is GONE (Scam Warning) - DoNothingMoney Blog | DoNothingMoney (http://blog.donothingmoney.com/banners-brokers-gone-scam-warning/2/)


Hi Dirson,

Once again thanks for the regular updates! You’re doing an awesome job and we love you for that.

[Poyol]

Dirson Jimenez

Dirson (strosdegoz) jimenez santana, Network marketer at Home | SlideShare (http://www.slideshare.net/strosdegoz)

[samuel.r]

I see the giant has been awakened (MC). My guess is this was a shot across the bow and they are going to tell Vector to cease/desist with BB or lose their credentials. The way these big companies work is plodding and slow sometimes, but they have to do it a certain way to make sure it 'sticks'.

That Dirson guy - be careful. He makes many good points but he has zero credibility because he obviously has an axe to grind with BB (he got kicked out a long time ago). I personally would not cite him in my thesis, if you know what I mean.

[noname999]

I hope you are right. I do have a feeling though that people would still stick their head in the sand. Even the ones that have been beating the drum about MC proving BB's credibility.
Going by track record, the shills would then try an infantile attempt at discrediting MC( I can just hear them now - mastercard is a ponzi itself, blah, blah, blah...)

[littleroundman]

Dirson E Jiminez aka strosdegoz aka Dirson Eduardo Jiminez Santana aka Manolo

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/dirson.jpg

The Dirson E Jiminez @strosdegoz page on Twitter (https://twitter.com/strosdegoz)

[scratchycat]

I posted over in TG and was immediately WARNED!!! :RpS_flapper: Said I was spamming!!!! No problem. I posted this now and will probably be the next to be banned.

Today, 09:21 AM
scratchycat
Newbie Amateur Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3

Re: BannersBroker - BannersBroker.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"So what is this banning stuff, I thought this was a discussion about Banners Broker? I read the threads here but have only posted a couple of times.

It is being discussed in MMG also and there is one going in realscam dot com. So it this an open discussion or only for the ones claiming to be making money from BB. It seems some members have been told not to use the MC when posting in forums.

Is this how you treat all new members? Please note I do not have a signature line."

BannersBroker - BannersBroker.com - Page 103 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310809&page=103&highlight=Banners+Broker)

[scratchycat]

Went over to MMG and posted there, trying to be a little more careful. Will see if it is deleted.
"Don't you think if they are warning you to NOT post this info in a public forum, then they don't want to be sued by MC and the whole thing is false. I don't play the games of fast money but this same discussion is going on in TG and a Google search reveals a lot of other places. I would advise anyone to dig deeper and find out - another discussion is going on in a thread in Real Scam dot com.

If this comment is not within your policies please contact me before deleting because I would like to know. I am saving a copy just in case. "

[scratchycat]

Here is my warning message from someone else as it must have been removed from the thread and I cannot access my warnings:

" You have been warned

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear scratchycat,

You have been warned for one of your posts, which violated Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum Rules. The reason you have been warned is because:

Spam Post, Includes Asking Members to &quot;Check my Signature&quot;
(Warning Type = Spam Post)

For this violation, you have been given : 2 point(s).
The point(s) will remain in your account for 60 days.
After that, they will be removed automatically.

Please post in Talkgold's "Everything Related to this Forum" folder if you wish to dispute this warning. You may also post there if you do not have a clue what you did wrong in the post you were warned for.

The post for which you are warned can be seen here:

=======================================

Quote:
Originally Posted by noname999
Come on Phil, come over to the big boys on real scam. You have been lurking there long enough. At least have the guts to make a post. While you are at it, bring that other shill Debbie K with ya.
We could do with a bit of light entertainment.

Good idea!! We have a discussion going and need some comments.

Banners Broker
=======================================

The admin/moderator who warned you, entered this comment:

=======================================
Spam Post, Includes Asking Members to &quot;Check my Signature&quot;
=======================================

Your total Warning Level at the moment is: 2 point(s).

If you reach the maximum of 5, you will be banned from the Forums, for 30 days.

To see details about all the warnings you have received, until now, please click here.

Please post in Talkgold's "Everything Related to this Forum" folder if you wish to dispute this warning. You may also post there if you are not certain what you did wrong in the post you were warned for. "

I filled out the contact us form and sent message but was told I could not send a personal message, :duh: makes no sense to me. I really don't care though.

[scratchycat]

Dirson E Jiminez aka strosdegoz aka Dirson Eduardo Jiminez Santana aka Manolo

The Dirson E Jiminez @strosdegoz page on Twitter (https://twitter.com/strosdegoz)

Yes, I remember he has several akas but had just forgotten.

I saw where both noname and poyol are both banned in TG!! I believe also MoneyMaker12.

[Poyol]

I'm not banned ... I don't think?!

[littleroundman]

HeHe,

it's Talkgold.

It's a HYIP ponzi forum.

They don't do "fair" or "logical" or "democratic" or "unbiased" or "legal"

[Poyol]

Well, I say I wasn't banned -- I was, my IP got banned but being a computing engineer I know a few ways around.

Jason

[scratchycat]

Well, I say I wasn't banned -- I was, my IP got banned but being a computing engineer I know a few ways around.

Jason

Yes, I was over there when you got back in so it changed from banned but noname999 still has banned as does MoneyMaker12. I will probably be next and I have only posted there maybe 4 times!!! And that within a year!!

They gave me a warning but when I try to read it this is what I get:

An error has occured, the following message has been left below: :

You do not have permissions to view warnings information

[scratchycat]

HeHe,

it's Talkgold.

It's a HYIP ponzi forum.

They don't do "fair" or "logical" or "democratic" or "unbiased" or "legal"

I know, just giving them a little run for the money this morning. I do love their Disclaimer though cause I have to read it several times in order to go from one page to another.


Before clicking an ad or outside link from our site, you must agree to and completely understand the following:

Sites which ask you for money as an investment are extremely risky. They are not verfied for legitimacy by talkgold.com since this is virtually impossible to do. It is possible that some of the sites advertising on talkgold are built on a Pyramid foundation or are outright scams.

Programs often referred to as HYIPs and/or Autosurfs are illegal in many countries to run and invest in, so you are responsible for your own actions. Before investing any money in these programs, please understand they are a gamble, as it is almost impossible to determine the legitamacy of online investments. You must agree that you will not hold talkgold or any of their employees liable for any losses you may incur or any illegal activities you participate in by investing in online high yield investments.

We are not responsible for any money you lose in any site advertised at Talkgold.com or on any of our affiliated sites. You have been warned about the risks and should think carefully before throwing money towards any of these programs. By clicking any ads you hereby agree to have taking all legal and financial risks upon yourself.

If you see any advertisements or listings (links) on our site to a scam or known ponzi scheme, please email us at talkgoldcom@gmail.com and let us know. We will immediately remove any and all ads for such scams.

Brian
Talkgold.com Admin

It's a JOKE, right!!! :RpS_lol:

[scratchycat]

"URGENT NOTICE

Hello all,

We need your help and attention to this matter immediately.

Recently we have been informed by Vector Card Services, the providers of our Prepaid MasterCard, that there are numerous websites that have been promoting the Banners Broker program and its unique Prepaid MasterCard with verbiage and images that have not been approved by either MasterCard, Choice Bank Limited or Vector Card Services.

We have been officially warned by MasterCard International and sanctions against our program may be imposed if our affiliates do not remove all unauthorised verbiage of the Prepaid MasterCard card.

We take the promotion and marketing of our program very seriously and require every affiliate to adhere to our polices and guidelines. Communication and promotion of our products, services, and program needs to be reviewed by the Banners Broker corporate office before posting live.

Our web compliance team actively scours websites for compliance adherence and we will immediately suspend your membership and all payments; until these impacted websites are removed or approved.

Please help us by removing all mention of the Prepaid MasterCard program from your website until you have submitted it for approval. It's a simple process, please send to Banners Broker's corporate office (or your regional leader) the layout of any websites, marketing campaigns and/or brochures that you wish to utilise for the promotion of the program. We will endeavour to have these documents approved by MasterCard as quickly as possible. You can then officially post these documents back to your website.

If you are not sure whether your website is compliant, please follow the same procedures to get it approved officially by MasterCard and Choice Bank Limited. Vector Card Services has committed to the quickest turn around for these approvals to reduce the impact to your business.

Your attention to this matter is urgent and vital to the success of our program.

Regards,
BannersBroker"

Banners Broker - bannersbroker.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&st=3870&start=3870)

Must have worked well, Poyol!!!

[surfer]

If you see any advertisements or listings (links) on our site to a scam or known ponzi scheme, please email us at talkgoldcom@gmail.com and let us know. We will immediately remove any and all ads for such scams.
Now that is funny. :italian_flick:

[Poyol]

"URGENT NOTICE

Hello all,

We need your help and attention to this matter immediately.

Recently we have been informed by Vector Card Services, the providers of our Prepaid MasterCard, that there are numerous websites that have been promoting the Banners Broker program and its unique Prepaid MasterCard with verbiage and images that have not been approved by either MasterCard, Choice Bank Limited or Vector Card Services.

We have been officially warned by MasterCard International and sanctions against our program may be imposed if our affiliates do not remove all unauthorised verbiage of the Prepaid MasterCard card.

We take the promotion and marketing of our program very seriously and require every affiliate to adhere to our polices and guidelines. Communication and promotion of our products, services, and program needs to be reviewed by the Banners Broker corporate office before posting live.

Our web compliance team actively scours websites for compliance adherence and we will immediately suspend your membership and all payments; until these impacted websites are removed or approved.

Please help us by removing all mention of the Prepaid MasterCard program from your website until you have submitted it for approval. It's a simple process, please send to Banners Broker's corporate office (or your regional leader) the layout of any websites, marketing campaigns and/or brochures that you wish to utilise for the promotion of the program. We will endeavour to have these documents approved by MasterCard as quickly as possible. You can then officially post these documents back to your website.

If you are not sure whether your website is compliant, please follow the same procedures to get it approved officially by MasterCard and Choice Bank Limited. Vector Card Services has committed to the quickest turn around for these approvals to reduce the impact to your business.

Your attention to this matter is urgent and vital to the success of our program.

Regards,
BannersBroker"

Banners Broker - bannersbroker.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&st=3870&start=3870)

Must have worked well, Poyol!!!


I'm trying to get 'em shut down ASAP.
I notice they use broad terms such as 'verbiage'.

Ponzi.

Jason

[Poyol]

is-bannersbrokerscam.co.uk

Hope that's okay! ^

[JordanBright]

http://i.imgur.com/RXocn.png

Good job guys, keep up the good work and maybe in the near future there will be no pre paid card at all!

[littleroundman]

How long do you think it will take Mastercard to withdraw their services after realizing they are being used in a massive money laundering scheme ??

[JordanBright]

How long do you think it will take Mastercard to withdraw their services after realizing they are being used in a massive money laundering scheme ??

if people keep on sending them emails then it will be quick I'm sure of it, they can't take the chance..

[scinvestor]

"URGENT NOTICE

Hello all,

We need your help and attention to this matter immediately.

Ha! That's right, excellent management skills. Asking for affiliate's (LOL) help to do what? That is a sign of high, and I mean really high management capabilities. First let the crowds spread the word about a "unique" feature, ask them to wave their MCs in the faces of all those who didn't believe and now ask them to help you clean the mess.



Recently we have been informed by Vector Card Services, the providers of our Prepaid MasterCard, that there are numerous websites that have been promoting the Banners Broker program and its unique Prepaid MasterCard with verbiage and images that have not been approved by either MasterCard, Choice Bank Limited or Vector Card Services.

We have been officially warned by MasterCard International and sanctions against our program may be imposed if our affiliates do not remove all unauthorised verbiage of the Prepaid MasterCard card.

C'mon guys what would you expect really? Now, really?


We take the promotion and marketing of our program very seriously and require every affiliate to adhere to our polices and guidelines. Communication and promotion of our products, services, and program needs to be reviewed by the Banners Broker corporate office before posting live.

A corporation that takes its marketing seriously, and I mean seriously, never RE-acts! NEVER! It only PRO-acts!. But what do you know about marketing anyway and pro-active thinking? List me your competitive advantage then! That is a very simple marketing assignment? Tell me who your customers are, and do me a SWOT analysis. That would be entertaining!


Our web compliance team actively scours websites for compliance adherence and we will immediately suspend your membership and all payments; until these impacted websites are removed or approved.

Yeah right. That's new isn't it? Suspend membership and all payments stuff. Really a prototype!


Please help us by removing all mention of the Prepaid MasterCard program from your website until you have submitted it for approval.

What are you really expect the crowds to do master? You are certainly don't expect them to erase all hooray comments from the forums where they are cheering hooray-hooray we are making money under the endorsement of MC thing? ....Are you?


PS. What's next? BB organised marketing seminars?

[samuel.r]

No kidding, scinvestor. These people are starting to sound like they attended the David Miscavige school of enterprise management.

[JordanBright]

PS. What's next? BB organised marketing seminars?

yep

http://bannersbroker.com/images/ireland-banner.png

[scinvestor]

yep

http://bannersbroker.com/images/ireland-banner.png


Honestly, I nearly fell off my chair! Cheers guys! :computer_smash:

[scinvestor]

No kidding, scinvestor. These people are starting to sound like they attended the David Miscavige school of enterprise management.

Are they also playing the piano, do underwater photography and trail biking like him?

[noname999]

Wow, there's alot of scrambling going on! Do BB really think they can prevent the backlash from Mastercard?
Seems like now is the time they could start draining the last of the money from the system and run for the hills.
Just an idea but maybe we should make a list of all the shills who used mastercard to promote the BB scam. We could get them banned for a start. That shoud get tongues wagging. Thoughts?

[Poyol]

Banned from where? Banners Broker?
If you mean Mastercard -- I'd praise you if you can change username into IP (which would involve talking to forum admin) and then IP into address (involve talking to ISP; they won't give info on IP distribution)

Jason

[noname999]

Sorry, I mean, banners broker. There are alot of guys there that deserve a lesson for all the cheerleading. Sorry, just being petty now. It is nice to see these scam artists sweat though.

[Poyol]

Getting such users banned would be counterproductive -- they need to be seen by MC to still have the endorsement claims on their blogs/websites and still be active users.

Am I making sense?

[noname999]

Of course. As I say, just nice to see them sweat. To be honest, I don't think it makes any difference now anyway. The damage is done. Mastercard will make their move soon enough. These vermin can scramble all they like. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.
Whats more important for us to ponder now is what twist BB will put on this.
Maybe they could try to encourage the idea that vector and mc had a disagreement and it in no way reflects on BB. They could also go down the root of banning these larger accounts for jeopardising the 'agreement' that they had with MC. That way they have their scapegoat, and they get to shut down some of the larger accounts.
Lets not forget the cheerleaders are stupid enugh to fall for these tales. Any other ideas?

Just another thought. With your computer prowess, do you know of a way to quiclky save all the pages of threads from the likes of MMG and Talkgold?

[Poyol]

They could always persuade the Mastercard executive team to purchase a package?

[noname999]

:RpS_lol:
They could always persuade the Mastercard executive team to purchase a package?:RpS_lol:

[noname999]

We hardly have anyone on our side that has a BB mastercard?

[Joe_Shmoe]

They better get busy on YouTube, about 358 results
Anybody know the best MasterCard email address to send this screen-shot to?

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