Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

[Whip]

oops......

[AshKen1]

http://www.beano.com/media/80793/character-bash-smiffy.jpg

No, get it right, this is Smiffy!

I go out for the day and look what you lot get up to! roflmao

[Theseus]

Yeah. lol. Words mean things. Funny how his name or his 'management' company can't be found tied to her anywhere but his story:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/chrissmith2_zpse503a42c.jpg

While it may look impressive, statement analysis shows there is nothing there that actually ties her to his 'management' company.

A woman named 'Rose' at one time said there is a person that exists named Nelly Furtado
A woman named 'Rose says Nelly's perseverance paid off and got her a gig in something called Honey Jam.
The alleged 'chris smith' was going to see Nelly perform.
The alleged 'chris smith' invited someone else to go along to look for new talent.
The alleged 'chris smith' admits he did not discover Nelly Furtado....he was told about her by a woman named 'Rose'


A more likely scenario, Raj Dixit goes looking for a name to use, Googles the address of the maildrop he's planning to use, sees the name "Chris Smith Management", decides to use the name.

Same as "Alfred Bader", a local name picked off the web.

[Jerrygo]

Sent u pm Jason

[Julie Diligent]

...there is no "upstairs" as if these are two offices near each other. They are both simply a mailbox at a UPS store...

Yes, and putting 'Suite' before the number is evidently a 'PO Box trick' acceptable to this store (PO Box vs UPS mailboxes). (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/business-tax-advice/22121-po-box-vs-ups-mailboxes.html#post325378)

[Wizzard7]

With Robert Craddock, Todd Disner and Catherine Parker in this, you can bet it is a scam!

[Theseus]

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which is odd, because on Prendeville's show I could have sworn he said there were 11,000 Irish affiliates.

He must be some salesman, that Paul McCarthy, 6000 new victims affiliates in 2 weeks.


Either that or he's "fibbing"......

[AshKen1]

With Robert Craddock, Todd Disner and Catherine Parker in this, you can bet it is a scam!

I didn't understand what you meant, but have had a wee look.

http://asdupdates.com/wordpress/archives/3075

Interesting...

[noname999]

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which is odd, because on Prendeville's show I could have sworn he said there were 11,000 Irish affiliates.

He must be some salesman, that Paul McCarthy, 6000 new victims affiliates in 2 weeks.


Either that or he's "fibbing"......

And Prendeville gave him the medium to spread his lies.

[Beacon]

A more likely scenario, Raj Dixit goes looking for a name to use, Googles the address of the maildrop he's planning to use, sees the name "Chris Smith Management", decides to use the name.

Same as "Alfred Bader", a local name picked off the web.

Well there seems to be actual unique individual people attached to the names whether fake or not.

Banners Broker Review (http://www.the-laws-of-success.com/banners-broker-review.html)
"David Hooker, BB’s new Business Development and Compliance Officer"

Raj Dixit BB’S COO, “Will Banners Broker start to go after these attackers?" The answer was a resounding "Yes!"
lol

BannersBrokerEnFrance.org - Banners Broker En France (http://whois.domaintools.com/bannersbrokerenfrance.org)
seems to be their France person
His schpeel on his site ( I say his but it is piggybacked on a Tucows server)
Doesnt mention and corporate structure or even if he works for BB as an employee.
He only mentions he is in France and his name in an out of the way page.
Editorial: The Meaning Of Success (http://www.the-laws-of-success.com/meaning-of-success.html)





Domain ID:D166158216-LROR
Domain Name:BANNERSBROKERENFRANCE.ORG
Created On:23-Jul-2012 08:45:39 UTC
Last Updated On:22-Sep-2012 03:50:55 UTC
Expiration Date:23-Jul-2013 08:45:39 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, LLC (R91-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:CR119720210
Registrant Name:Al Baker
Registrant Organization:Components of Success Inc.
Registrant Street1:15348 Glastonbury
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Detroit
Registrant State/Province:Michigan
Registrant Postal Code:48223
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.3132736077
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:
Admin ID:CR119720212
Admin Name:Al Baker
Admin Street1:4 rue de Jeandeys
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Saint-Seurin de Cadourne
Admin State/Province:Aquitane
Admin Postal Code:33180
Admin Country:FR
Admin Phone:+55.6597584
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:
Tech ID:CR119720211
Tech Name:Al Baker
Tech Street1:4 rue de Jeandeys
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Saint-Seurin de Cadourne
Tech State/Province:Aquitane
Tech Postal Code:33180
Tech Country:FR
Tech Phone:+55.6597584
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:
Name Server:NS11.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server:NS12.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

Note the Detroit address and no doubt his home address in SW France.
Im sure the local gendarmarie or mayor Mairie de Saint-Seurin-de-Cadourne (http://www.saint-seurin-de-cadourne.fr/) might be interested in keeping tabs on him before the pyramid collapses.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Stokes already starting his next "business" venture. Can he see the writing on the wall for Banners Broker?
He's looking for suckers in the right place.

Gotta have the next scam lined up eh?


Mark Stokes (http://www.facebook.com/mstokes118)

ok guys your next income stream to go along side BB **THIS HAS OUR HIGHEST RECOMMENDATION** James and I have secretly been testing and making money with this for 4 weeks , we have made built it from $350 to $2400 in that time , this pays daily profit as you can see we are getting $48 a day profit passive , get your free account and claim your $10 ad package , GO CHECK IT OUT http://www.profitclicking.com/?r=ms118 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.profitclicking.com%2F%3Fr %3Dms118&h=UAQH6IxyGAQFyHO_g2e6yUHSscxsNR0iaQx8XNSdUGjQXRQ&s=1)



http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s480x480/200113_10151613979033146_883095375_n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151613979033146&set=o.327034717379877&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf)

Mark Stokes (http://www.facebook.com/mstokes118) for those already in we will do a quick webianr on it soon , all you have to do is visit 3 sites a day to qualify for the daily profit, NOTE 3% bonus paid daily for all money put in before 25th December

James Pitsillides (http://www.facebook.com/jpitsillides) yessssssss

[Theseus]

Stokes already starting his next "business" venture. Can he see the writing on the wall for Banners Broker?
He's looking for suckers in the right place.

Gotta have the next scam lined up eh?


Mark Stokes (http://www.facebook.com/mstokes118)

ok guys your next income stream to go along side BB **THIS HAS OUR HIGHEST RECOMMENDATION** James and I have secretly been testing and making money with this for 4 weeks , we have made built it from $350 to $2400 in that time , this pays daily profit as you can see we are getting $48 a day profit passive , get your free account and claim your $10 ad package , GO CHECK IT OUT http://www.profitclicking.com/?r=ms118 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.profitclicking.com%2F%3Fr %3Dms118&h=UAQH6IxyGAQFyHO_g2e6yUHSscxsNR0iaQx8XNSdUGjQXRQ&s=1)



http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s480x480/200113_10151613979033146_883095375_n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151613979033146&set=o.327034717379877&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf)

Mark Stokes (http://www.facebook.com/mstokes118) for those already in we will do a quick webianr on it soon , all you have to do is visit 3 sites a day to qualify for the daily profit, NOTE 3% bonus paid daily for all money put in before 25th December

James Pitsillides (http://www.facebook.com/jpitsillides) yessssssss

I'd be more interested in knowing what Driscoll is up to.....

[noname999]

Laughing into the sunset...

[Joe_Shmoe]

Laughing into the sunset...

Having just laughed all the way to the Bank.

[Theseus]

Laughing into the sunset...

Hopefully somewhere that the UK has an extradition treaty with then. Perhaps he's off to see his old pal Neale Pocock on the Costa Blanca?

[hendyphilhendy]

Hi all, not been able to comment much lately as have been extremely busy at work.

The Ian Driscoll issue seems to be yet another mystery of Banners Broker, in particular the closure of the Banners Broker or Adverts Galore offices in Bradford. One point that seems to have been missed is what has happened to the employees of that office. A few months ago the 'big thing' was the introduction of Advertising Co-ordinators. These were people that were separately employed to run accounts on behalf of members. They were not allowed to have their own account and were being trained to get the best out of the system for the customer.

Are there any members that have used the Advertising Co-ordinator system? What is their experience of it?

[littleroundman]

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[Theseus]

Hi all, not been able to comment much lately as have been extremely busy at work.

The Ian Driscoll issue seems to be yet another mystery of Banners Broker, in particular the closure of the Banners Broker or Adverts Galore offices in Bradford. One point that seems to have been missed is what has happened to the employees of that office. A few months ago the 'big thing' was the introduction of Advertising Co-ordinators. These were people that were separately employed to run accounts on behalf of members. They were not allowed to have their own account and were being trained to get the best out of the system for the customer.

Are there any members that have used the Advertising Co-ordinator system? What is their experience of it?

The whole "move to Manchester" scenario stinks. Any "normal" business would have the "new" national "contractor" in place before announcing the old one had simply ceased trading.

I'm also puzzled how, not having anyone to immediately fill Driscoll's shoes, they have determined that the best plan is to move the operation to Manchester. What happens to the Bradford staff (I'm assuming as McCarthy needs a staff of 20 or so just for Ireland there must be at least that for the whole of the UK), do they simply lose their jobs? What happens if the "new contractor" isn't based there?

Strikes me that this hasn't been well thought out, but then that's about par for the course, isn't it?

[hendyphilhendy]

From this article mentioned above Banners Broker Review (http://www.the-laws-of-success.com/banners-broker-review.html)


David Hooker then proceeded to pull the curtain off Banner's Brokers business model - how the “blind network” works.

He addressed these points in a full 2 hour presentation on how the game is played, making it clear that those attackers actually don’t have a clue about the real inside game of internet advertising.

The only thing I ask is to be truthful and not distort facts or present information as factual that isn't. Actually investigate and get facts before you report.

That would be honest journalism.

And also realize this: None of the attackers have so much has asked a single question to Banners Broker about their business model.

I am sure that any one of those very mud slingers would demand the same fair treatment if the tables were turned.

Has he really just said 'none of the attackers have asked a single question about the business model'. Surely that is all we have done, it is the most important thing. It is BB that are being secretive about the answers!

The other notable point in that article is that they have allegedly asked various people to come and view their operations? I cannot believe that they all would say no. At the very least why don't they post some pictures up of their offices, interior etc. Evenbetter invite the leading financial press around so that they can show off their success in public.

For a 'business' with an objective of changing lives they seem very secretive and hidden about everything.

[hendyphilhendy]

The whole "move to Manchester" scenario stinks. Any "normal" business would have the "new" national "contractor" in place before announcing the old one had simply ceased trading.

I'm also puzzled how, not having anyone to immediately fill Driscoll's shoes, they have determined that the best plan is to move the operation to Manchester. What happens to the Bradford staff (I'm assuming as McCarthy needs a staff of 20 or so just for Ireland there must be at least that for the whole of the UK), do they simply lose their jobs? What happens if the "new contractor" isn't based there?

Strikes me that this hasn't been well thought out, but then that's about par for the course, isn't it?

Totally agree - and again the Banners Broker faithful just swallow it without question. The UK leader is gone, no one knows if it was mutual etc. and its just another normal day for these guys?

[Theseus]

I wonder if Rogers know that Hooker is endorsing a Ponzi?

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[littleroundman]

Stokes already starting his next "business" venture. Can he see the writing on the wall for Banners Broker?
He's looking for suckers in the right place.

Gotta have the next scam lined up eh?


Mark Stokes (http://www.facebook.com/mstokes118)

ok guys your next income stream to go along side BB **THIS HAS OUR HIGHEST RECOMMENDATION** James and I have secretly been testing and making money with this for 4 weeks , we have made built it from $350 to $2400 in that time , this pays daily profit as you can see we are getting $48 a day profit passive , get your free account and claim your $10 ad package , GO CHECK IT OUT http://www.profitclicking.com/?r=ms118 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.profitclicking.com%2F%3Fr %3Dms118&h=UAQH6IxyGAQFyHO_g2e6yUHSscxsNR0iaQx8XNSdUGjQXRQ&s=1)

Mark Stokes (http://www.facebook.com/mstokes118) for those already in we will do a quick webianr on it soon , all you have to do is visit 3 sites a day to qualify for the daily profit, NOTE 3% bonus paid daily for all money put in before 25th December

James Pitsillides (http://www.facebook.com/jpitsillides) yessssssss

HeHe,

now THAT would have to be the funniest HYIP ponzi pimp post of the year.

ProfitClicking (formerly JustGotPaid) HYIP ponzi fraud is closer to collapsing than Banners Broker.

Anyone following Stokes' tips is in for a very rude surprise.

ProfitClicking and Banners Broker, what a winning double that ISN'T.

[hendyphilhendy]

Another strange co-incidence. I seem to recall Kul was booted out (although he may still be in apparently!) just after the Portugal event. Ian Driscoll gone just after the Ireland event. The India event is coming up in February, I wonder who will be gone after that!

[littleroundman]

Well there seems to be actual unique individual people attached to the names whether fake or not.

Banners Broker Review (http://www.the-laws-of-success.com/banners-broker-review.html)
"David Hooker, BB’s new Business Development and Compliance Officer"

Raj Dixit BB’S COO, “Will Banners Broker start to go after these attackers?" The answer was a resounding "Yes!"
lol

BannersBrokerEnFrance.org - Banners Broker En France (http://whois.domaintools.com/bannersbrokerenfrance.org)
seems to be their France person
His schpeel on his site ( I say his but it is piggybacked on a Tucows server)
Doesnt mention and corporate structure or even if he works for BB as an employee.
He only mentions he is in France and his name in an out of the way page.
Editorial: The Meaning Of Success (http://www.the-laws-of-success.com/meaning-of-success.html)

Seems to be some changes in France as well.

bannersbroker.ORG (http://bannersbrokerenfrance.org/) is now a parked page:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/parked.jpg

while bannersbroker.COM (http://www.bannersbrokerfrance.com/) has a different registrant:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/whoisbanners.jpg

[Beacon]

BannersBrokerEnFrance.org - Banners Broker En France (http://whois.domaintools.com/bannersbrokerenfrance.org)
seems to be their France person
His schpeel on his site ( I say his but it is piggybacked on a Tucows server)
Doesnt mention and corporate structure or even if he works for BB as an employee.
He only mentions he is in France and his name in an out of the way page.
Editorial: The Meaning Of Success (http://www.the-laws-of-success.com/meaning-of-success.html)
...
Admin Name:Al Baker
Admin Street1:4 rue de Jeandeys
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Saint-Seurin de Cadourne
Admin State/Province:Aquitane
Admin Postal Code:33180
Admin Country:FR


Interesting this Yatedo page:

Al Baker - Artistic Solutions and... (http://www.yatedo.com/p/Al+Baker/normal/abf15633e281fbd3bc36763b123d4d68)

Lists Al Baker as having past experience in Syntek Global

Now SG operate out of Salt Lake City Utah. Any dots joining up with Scandanavia? It is an MLM business.
It has a much better web presence and management team.

MLM Internet Explosion (http://podcast.mbirgin.com/64256/mlminternetexplosion.aspx#divPlayer)

praises ther company product and plan. But 2:36 into the talk he points out you won't make money out of it if you don't know about marketing and work at it. It is much more difficult to find negative data about SG than BB but you can see how the SAlt Lake and MLM connections might have brought Al into the loop.

[littleroundman]

Another strange co-incidence. I seem to recall Kul was booted out (although he may still be in apparently!) just after the Portugal event. Ian Driscoll gone just after the Ireland event. The India event is coming up in February, I wonder who will be gone after that!

The way things are shaping up, probably Banners Broker itself.

For many members, Banners Broker is effectively "gone" right now.

They are not being paid.

Despite what the pimps, shills and monitors are claiming, payments are selective and sporadic.

[EagleOne]

Now I am shocked mind you, shocked. BalancedView promised to come back on Monday and answer every one of our questions one-at-a-time. Here it is Wednesday already, and not a peep from him. I am beginning to get worried that he was in an accident on his vacation and is lying in a hospital somewhere.

Surely he is not ducking us, and all his promises were a lie? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Theseus]

Now I am shocked mind you, shocked. BalancedView promised to come back on Monday and answer every one of our questions one-at-a-time. Here it is Wednesday already, and not a peep from him. I am beginning to get worried that he was in an accident on his vacation and is lying in a hospital somewhere.



You mean rather than lying here? :RpS_lol:

[Hypanor]

Re France - all the Eventbrite meetings (before they got deleted) were being run by CM Consulting. List of the country 'Independent Contractors' here http://bannersbroker.com/main/sitemap

I noted last night that Australia now has a support number - 03 8652 1096 (Melbourne, Victoria). When called, a distinctly american or canadian (they all sound the same!) accented answering service "Thank you for calling Banners Broker. Dial 1 for Technical Support, dial 2 for Sales, dial 0 for an operator". So far, pressing any button just gave me dead air so will try it again later today...

[Whip]

A more likely scenario, Raj Dixit goes looking for a name to use, Googles the address of the maildrop he's planning to use, sees the name "Chris Smith Management", decides to use the name.

Same as "Alfred Bader", a local name picked off the web.

agreed. I suck.

[Whip]

Yes, and putting 'Suite' before the number is evidently a 'PO Box trick' acceptable to this store (PO Box vs UPS mailboxes). (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/business-tax-advice/22121-po-box-vs-ups-mailboxes.html#post325378)

Yeah. I don't get that one. I'd send the stuff back with the 'no such address' decal on it. lol.

[kiwi chick nz]

A story worth sharing from comments section donothingmoney blog Banners Broker Is GONE (Scam Warning) - DoNothingMoney Blog (http://blog.donothingmoney.com/banners-brokers-gone-scam-warning/comment-page-8/#comments)

Michelle if you read this thanks for sharing your story and wish you and your dad happy holidays
Kiwi

December 12, 2012 at 3:21 am Michelle Levick
I have been with BB since August last year. I have put thousands into my account as have others. I have heard of some of my fellow members not receiving their money for more than 6-8 weeks or more.
My story is that I have been making about $10,000-15,000.00 give or take a bit a month. I purchased an account for my father out of my ewallet funds. I was managing the account as being in his 70′s about 76. It was too difficult for him to grasp. We had to verify our accounts…. so now they have our personal details ( ?? used for ID fraud). I had been putting xtra money in. I went to check on my account and they have now blocked it. Is it because I was managing my fathers account??? or what. Also I purchased $4,885.00 worth of pannels on the 4th of November. Through no fault of my own the WIFI dropped out. Thanks Telstra!! anyhow I still hadn’t received my pannels even after sending them numerous notes and tickets. I had purchased more that day and they all went through fine.
I have sent them numerous notes, tickets etc to contact them to find out what had happened?? I am now totally blocked and so is my fathers account.
According to them I had made over $120,000 (US$) but I had only taken out like $10,000.00 and that was to buy more pannels and to set up my dad’s account.
Be warned!!!!
So over the past 17 months or so I have put in at least $10,000.00 of my own money.
What do I do?????
I hate to say it but I feel that they are dishonerable. I tried to ring them but my message was …”Please check the number and dial again”…
Michelle Levick

[AshKen1]

On Twitter yesterday, premium member requested withdrawal within time limit. BB fail to deliver, member told Jan before payment. Guess what, Christmas ruined.

Also, what's with this business with Allied Wallet to get onto their "whitelist". Seems a bizarre way to sort things out.

[Theseus]

On Twitter yesterday, premium member requested withdrawal within time limit. BB fail to deliver, member told Jan before payment. Guess what, Christmas ruined.

Also, what's with this business with Allied Wallet to get onto their "whitelist". Seems a bizarre way to sort things out.


Upload a copy of your ID on your personal information page, this could be a driver’s license, passport, etc

More ID theft, pure and simple.

[Dreamstealer]

Now I am shocked mind you, shocked. BalancedView promised to come back on Monday and answer every one of our questions one-at-a-time. Here it is Wednesday already, and not a peep from him. I am beginning to get worried that he was in an accident on his vacation and is lying in a hospital somewhere.

Surely he is not ducking us, and all his promises were a lie? Inquiring minds want to know.

Judging by his earlier posts if he is lying in a hospital bed then it isn't for a physical injury.

Perhaps he spent time trying to answer the points and couldn't? There you go drones, a BB Supporter and self proclaimed genius couldn't answer any of the arguments. Tell you anything?

[Dreamstealer]

A story worth sharing from comments section donothingmoney blog Banners Broker Is GONE (Scam Warning) - DoNothingMoney Blog (http://blog.donothingmoney.com/banners-brokers-gone-scam-warning/comment-page-8/#comments)

Michelle if you read this thanks for sharing your story and wish you and your dad happy holidays
Kiwi

December 12, 2012 at 3:21 am Michelle Levick
I have been with BB since August last year. I have put thousands into my account as have others. I have heard of some of my fellow members not receiving their money for more than 6-8 weeks or more.
My story is that I have been making about $10,000-15,000.00 give or take a bit a month. I purchased an account for my father out of my ewallet funds. I was managing the account as being in his 70′s about 76. It was too difficult for him to grasp. We had to verify our accounts…. so now they have our personal details ( ?? used for ID fraud). I had been putting xtra money in. I went to check on my account and they have now blocked it. Is it because I was managing my fathers account??? or what. Also I purchased $4,885.00 worth of pannels on the 4th of November. Through no fault of my own the WIFI dropped out. Thanks Telstra!! anyhow I still hadn’t received my pannels even after sending them numerous notes and tickets. I had purchased more that day and they all went through fine.
I have sent them numerous notes, tickets etc to contact them to find out what had happened?? I am now totally blocked and so is my fathers account.
According to them I had made over $120,000 (US$) but I had only taken out like $10,000.00 and that was to buy more pannels and to set up my dad’s account.
Be warned!!!!
So over the past 17 months or so I have put in at least $10,000.00 of my own money.
What do I do?????
I hate to say it but I feel that they are dishonerable. I tried to ring them but my message was …”Please check the number and dial again”…
Michelle Levick

Thanks Kiwi- this kind of story is why i want BB to stop. I have never been in BB and have no reason to post other than to try to stop something that is genuinely going to destroy some lives.

[Dreamstealer]

Dreamstealer, for your information the IRA are not a sectarian group. There are ample statistics to show IRA killings (particularly Provisional IRA) were not aimed at non Catholics or done for Catholics. Loyalist terrorists on the other hand specifically targeted Catholics. so linking the IRA to "Irish Catholic" terrorism is not reasonable. They were secular with respect of targets. The Real and Continuation IRA are so small as to be statistically negligable with resopect to targeting non catholics. Although a CIRA assassination plot was foiled this week on a no doubt Catholic target. Also as regards Muslim fundamentalists ( which are a timy proportion of Islam just as fundie Christians are single digit percentages of Christians) I would note the world record in suicide bombing is from a SECULAR group the Tamil Tigers. Suggesting "religion causes violence" is a difficult argument to support.I post this as many have little knowledge about Irish history and a little knowledge may sometimes be a dangerous thing.

Hi Beacon, Welcome to the forum. If i can manage the technology i'll send you a personal message to keep this from derailing the forum. I actually think we agree here.

[kiwi chick nz]

This post from bannersbroker new zealand, http://www.facebook.com/BannersBrokerNewZealand?fref=ts was back in august (not a lot of activity at all on fb nz site!) but still made me wonder why this rule was mentioned by Krya speaking on a webinar

"DO not contact the bank directly or your account will be suspended"

why ever not?

can anyone tell me yet who the key player is in nz, or the person that brought it to nz

kiwi

[Poyol]

This post from bannersbroker new zealand, http://www.facebook.com/BannersBrokerNewZealand?fref=ts was back in august (not a lot of activity at all on fb nz site!) but still made me wonder why this rule was mentioned by Krya speaking on a webinar

"DO not contact the bank directly or your account will be suspended"

why ever not?

can anyone tell me yet who the key player is in nz, or the person that brought it to nz

kiwi

I don't know - yet.
I'll have a look today!

J

[Theseus]

This post from bannersbroker new zealand, http://www.facebook.com/BannersBrokerNewZealand?fref=ts was back in august (not a lot of activity at all on fb nz site!) but still made me wonder why this rule was mentioned by Krya speaking on a webinar

"DO not contact the bank directly or your account will be suspended"

why ever not?

can anyone tell me yet who the key player is in nz, or the person that brought it to nz

kiwi


Have you considered asking this guy (http://www.empowernetwork.com/homeincomesystem/blog/banners-broker-new-zealand-faq/)?

[littleroundman]

"DO not contact the bank directly or your account will be suspended"

why ever not?

Simple.

Since 911, most Western Countries have tightened up on their money laundering detection procedures.

"Suspicious Activity Reporting" is now a compulsory requirement for banks in many countries, most notably the U.S.A.

The very last thing any HYIP ponzi needs is for the banking sector to become involved in its' activities.

Thus the need to scare members into keeping their mouths shut

[amathyst87]

For those wanting to know, no I didn't get paid!

Also have some information regarding Ian Driscoll. He recently started looking into a new business venture starting up in Turkey which is apparently set to make Banners Broker look incredibly foolish in terms of money to be made. Is this a scam? Probably, but that's a different discussion for a different time. Rajiv Dixit got wind of this, obviously wasn't happy with is and has gotten rid of him.

What's interesting to note is Driscoll had just signed a 5 year lease on a new office in the UK as a base of operations for Banners Broker. He has now been left with this lease and Banners Broker don't want it. Its also worth noting this is not the new Manchester office supposedly opening in Jan.

Apparently Driscoll is glad to be out of it anyway. Take from that what you will and if anyone wants my source please PM me.

[kiwi chick nz]

Have you considered asking this guy (http://www.empowernetwork.com/homeincomesystem/blog/banners-broker-new-zealand-faq/)?

Have emailed him previously and to all my other questions he stated something along the lines of i can be sure bb is no pyramid scheme because it's been going for 2 years and they would have shut it down (my other posts mention the responses I received from him, he definitely a follower not a naysayer, got bored with his naivety.....
I have bolded 'they' because I hear this a lot from believers, exactly who is 'they'? a mysterious authority proactively ensuring the safety and legitimacy of bb, without being asked? Good grief believers, take note of the other members postings that talk about how tough it is to get someone in authority to even look at bb, it's not until victims come forward someone may take notice............

Until then for any believers still out there reading this forum now payments are late and no one is answering any compaints, those regular members on realscam, especially jason and philhendy, have been working hard on your behalf, so please refer to them as your 'they' when your bb belief deminishes and you tell all your downlines, uplines, sidelines, and friends & family who tried to warn you, that you are very lucky 'they' exposed bb as a ponzi
kiwi

[Theseus]

For those wanting to know, no I didn't get paid!

Also have some information regarding Ian Driscoll. He recently started looking into a new business venture starting up in Turkey which is apparently set to make Banners Broker look incredibly foolish in terms of money to be made.

Sounds like the David Farr/Flexkom scam that I mentioned a while back.

[littleroundman]

Have emailed him previously and to all my other questions he stated something along the lines of i can be sure bb is no pyramid scheme because it's been going for 2 years and theywould have shut it down

That's one of the oldest lies in the HYIP ponzi pimps' handbook.

Bernard Madoffs' ponzi was running for approximately 20 years before it was shutdown.

Even then, it was only because he confessed what he was doing, otherwise it might still be running.

Anyone who believes their "sponsor" or "upline" or "Banners Broker" when they use that old lie is about to receive a very hard lesson.

How long did AdSurf Daily run before it was shut down ???

How about Zeek Rewards ???

What's more, those two were in the U.S.A.

EVERYBODY knew exactly where they were based whole time.

NO ONE, except the criminals themselves knows exactly where Banners Brokers is actually based and from where it's being run.

[AshKen1]

From Roger Hamburger ("a cheeky little Ponzi scamp at Banners Broker Australia") posted on BB Facebook page:

"Roger Hamburger Why has the UK contractor's contract been terminated before a replacement has been lined up? What if you can't find a suitable replacement for weeks or months? Why are the offices being moved, what will happen to all the staff in Bradford, have they just been sacked, at Christmas?
about an hour ago · Like

Some very good questions there.

[Theseus]

Time for McCarthy's webinar, folks :RpS_wink:

[kiwi chick nz]

thanks for the update, hamburgler :-)

[AshKen1]

The lovely thread on PRC is back on with further comments since Mr P's latest radio broadcast.

Banner Brokers thread gone!! - Page 18 - Peoples Republic Of Cork Discussion Forums (http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214373&page=18)

Great site. Yes, made me laugh a lot again.

[hendyphilhendy]

Just posted on Banners Broker Australia


INTERESTING POSTING FROM CHATROOM:
(A strategy for a very slow building, but low cash input system)

[9:32:29 AM] Michael Alexander:
If you are attacked by others claiming BB is a scam consider this...

1. A man buys a green package for $415 and doesn’t plan to tell / sponsor other people.
2. BB activates his panels for him with complimentary (free) traffic.
3. Once all his panels double and are activated for free again (second complimentary cycle) and are now set at 50%, he waits for his two purples to complete - which gives him enough money to buy his first Traffic Pack.

4. From his 100,000 traffic hits he just bought, he uses 40,000 of this to activate his two yellow panels and 2 purple panels again. ($80 worth of future income to liquidate.)
5. Then his 2 Blue panels complete and pay him $180 plus two blue panels.

6. He uses 45,000 of his traffic to activate that Blue ($90 of future income to liquidate) and then buys 3 more yellows ($30 of future income to liquidate) from his e-wallet and uses the final 15,000 traffic to activate his 3 yellows.

7. His 2 green panels complete and pay him $540 plus 2 green panels.
8. At this point he has 3 choices: He can withdraw his initial $415, buy his wife a Green Package or repurchase more Panels and increase his Traffic Pack subscription.

9. If he withdraws his money he still has enough to pay for the next month’s Traffic Pack which he does. He can activate his second blue ($90 of future income to liquidate) at 45,000 traffic. His other smaller panels are now completing and this gives him even more money. He re-actives these smaller panels (future income to liquidate).

10. He is being cautious about going up to higher traffic packs right away. So for another month he builds up more money in his e-wallet and then goes up to 4 TP a month.

11. He has enough Traffic to activate his 2 greens and other smaller panels. These greens have been aging. This means they complete really quickly. He gets a further $540 in his e-wallet and decides to buy his wife a green package which he transfers to her.

12. He now has Sales Credit Traffic from her which he uses along with other Traffic he has bought to activate his green panels and other smaller panels.

13. He is now taking off and making more money and repurchasing more panels and building up a residual income. He starts to take out more money.

14. He can also sponsor more friends and family into BB by buying them their Package.

15. NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK HIS WIFE DOES WITH HER PACKAGE????

16. She and all other people he sponsors into BB from money he earns, follow the same pattern of expansion as he does. They make money they can take out and spend and they don’t have to tell another soul!
17. Please know that ALL Ponzis and Pyramids NEED NEW MONEY COMING IN.
BB could stop signups tomorrow and everyone in it will carry on making money.

18. When there is a lack of information, a vacuum is made and unfortunately it is human nature to fill it with negative information. And there are plenty of negative types that like to forward doom and gloom.
19. Don’t increase their TRAFFIC HITS by reading their sites.

20. Don’t believe anything till you are given hard cold facts - not just hearsay and opinion.

A pretty poor analogy. Reasonably sensible up until points 14 and 15. This issue of self funding is utter rubbish.

As a one off it may be ok but you will never have enough funds in to be able to purchase lots of people's packages, you would be time restrained for a start. In addition whilst it may stop new money coming in, it also stops money being taken out of the system.

Thirdly, from a legal perspective if the scheme were to collapse and the affiliate was looking to get their money back, where would they go? Not to banners broker as that is not where they paid the money, but their sponsor. That is who the payment was made to, that is who I would be suing!

New money will be still be coming into the system at some point.

[Poyol]

Why does Paul McCarthy call the company Banners Brokers?
They all seem to do it - do they not know the name of the company they work for?

Jason

[hendyphilhendy]

Lol - Publisher option is down at the moment - he just said five minutes ago that publishers make all the money, yet we cannot sign up as one!!!

[littleroundman]

Thirdly, from a legal perspective if the scheme were to collapse and the affiliate was looking to get their money back, where would they go? Not to banners broker as that is not where they paid the money, but their sponsor.

Anyone with the slightest sense of the history of HYIP ponzis will have recognized IMMEDIATELY the demise of Banners Broker is looming.

Once "sponsors" and "uplines" start diverting cash into their accounts and by passing the HYIP itself, you just KNOW they are moving to make an extra few bucks before the HYIP ponzi sinks.

It's happened with every single "next-big-thing" HYIP ponzi fraud since the days of Charles Ponzi himself.

If anyone is into clues and signs,

mark this down as yet anotherhttp://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/roofing20nail.gif in the Banners Broker coffin.

[Theseus]

Why does Paul McCarthy call the company Banners Brokers?
They all seem to do it - do they not know the name of the company they work for?

Jason

That's what Snakes on a Plane calls it, too.

I wonder if Mccarthy will answer any of my questions this week?

[Poyol]

That's what Snakes on a Plane calls it, too.

I wonder if Mccarthy will answer any of my questions this week?

I noticed he kept doing that.
It's like Larry Page calling his company Googles.

J

[kiwi chick nz]

$39.58 per month disclaimer made in webinar.............and active in 120 countries........

[Theseus]

and active in 120 countries........

So is the tooth fairy....

[Mundorf]

Few days ago I contacted OSC,today I got from them this.

"Thank you for your complaint to the Ontario Securities Commission (OSC) concerning Banners Broker (Banners).

BannersBrokers is not registered with the OSC to deal or advise in securities, nor is it a reporting issuer (public company) in Ontario.

The OSC regulates the capital markets in Ontario. We make rules and enforce Ontario's securities laws to provide protection to Ontario investors and to foster fair and efficient capital markets.

OSC staff may not provide legal or financial advice. You may wish to contact your legal or financial adviser for assistance in determining what laws may apply and how they may be enforced. Also, you may wish to contact the appropriate regulators in your jurisdiction for further information.

You may also wish to review information on the OSC website entitled "Protect against Fraud" This can be accessed from the OSC website at: OSC | Ontario Securities Commission || CVMO | Commission des valeurs mobilières de l'Ontario (http://www.osc.gov.on.ca). From the homepage:


•go to the "Investors" tab
•go to "Protect Against Fraud" on the left hand side

You may also wish to contact the Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre (CAFC). The CAFC is jointly managed by the RCMP, OPP and the Competition Bureau Canada and its mandate includes investigating and prosecuting many versions of mass marketing fraud. Their phone number is (888) 495-8501.

Sincerely,

[kiwi chick nz]

thats a big call "yes you will have your money for xmas everyone no problem" ????does paul personally guarantee this promise

[hendyphilhendy]

Claiming that VAT number is genuine and above board - that blows my point that he had deregistered!

[AshKen1]

I noticed he kept doing that.
It's like Larry Page calling his company Googles.

J

Isn't that what it's called though? Got it wrong all this time :(

[Theseus]

The radio interview went "quite good"?

Ya think so?

[Poyol]

Q: What is your opinion of those at Realscam?


Q: I hear you complained because you looked stupid in the newspaper, are you?

[AshKen1]

From BB Australia page on Facebook. Allegedly clears things up.

"This should make things a bit clearer:

[18/12/2012 11:33:36 AM] Ely Parnell: You now may be required to upload ID in Allied Wallet

[18/12/2012 11:58:12 AM] KathyO: Do we actually need to upload ID in Allied Wallet?
[18/12/2012 11:58:57 AM] Ely Parnell: found this Kathy...from the latest update from Chris:
. Allied Wallet is our partner for funding accounts. You now need your ID uploaded and approved. Applies to USA, Canada, Australia and UK .

[18/12/2012 12:00:00 PM] Ely Parnell: Call AW and ask to be added to their whitelist. They will find you, and make sure your ID is approved.
BB has given a list to Allied Wallet for approved IDs.

[18/12/2012 12:01:36 PM] KathyO: Ok thanks Ely. I did see that. It doesn't mean we have to upload ID to Allied, does it?
I thought it meant we would be ok once our ID was accepted by BB? Since BB has given a list to Allied Wallet for approved IDs.

[18/12/2012 12:04:43 PM | Ely Parnell: if your BB ID is not approved then you need to submit your ID to Allied.
I got one member now who just rung me and Allied is requesting her to upload her ID..

[18/12/2012 12:05:12 PM] KathyO: So we may not have to upload ID to Allied. They get a list from BB?

[18/12/2012 12:05:54 PM] Ely Parnell: I tried to fund BB myself just to make sure...because my ID was BB approved,
Allied is not asking me for my ID..
[18/12/2012 12:06:34 PM] KathyO: Ok. Good to know. So new members will need to upload their ID to both BB & Allied?
[18/12/2012 12:07:36 PM] KathyO: I guess so! lol.
[18/12/2012 12:08:26 PM] KathyO: Need to know what to tell new members. Upload ID to BB they already know. Upload ID to Allied, yes or no?

[18/12/2012 12:10:09 PM] Ely Parnell: yes

Right, you all got that? There will be a test later.

:throw_computer:

[AshKen1]

So is the tooth fairy....

Sorry, tooth fairy is active in all countries of the world. Everyone knows that. Shame on you comparing TF to BB.

[Poyol]

Sorry, tooth fairy is active in all countries of the world. Everyone knows that. Shame on you comparing TF to BB.

Both are as real as the other - the only difference is that the TF actually gives you some money!

[Theseus]

Q: How long do you think you'll get in jail?

Q: Do you really believe any of the crap you're spouting?

[kiwi chick nz]

no contact in nz, told to talk to the person that told me about bb, cause someone must have recommended you, and Nz support is canada. Really paul? the only way i can join is being recommended? maybe i have seen all your amazing adverts all over the net and I am so excited and want to join?
I notice he answered half your questions jason, didn't namedrop the forum though did he!!!

[Theseus]

Do you have a calculator?

Of course you do, Paul....

2364

:RpS_lol:

[Theseus]

Will BB going to Nigeria?

Isn't that like taking coal to Newcastle?

[AshKen1]

no contact in nz, told to talk to the person that told me about bb, cause someone must have recommended you, and Nz support is canada. Really paul? the only way i can join is being recommended? maybe i have seen all your amazing adverts all over the net and I am so excited and want to join?
I notice he answered half your questions jason, didn't namedrop the forum though did he!!!

Um.... see the bit in the quote in bold? That's how he knows you're not a proper candidate to join - you've spouted nonsense that he knows doesn't exist.....

"amazing adverts"
"all over the net"

Ha ha ha ha ha

[kiwi chick nz]

notarized members can withdraw $2,500 four times a month......that's a lot more than the average $39 .......

[Theseus]

notarized members can withdraw $2,500 four times a month......that's a lot more than the average $39 .......

Odd that, isn't it?

Maybe he needs to run that through the computer calculator again...

[Theseus]

He never seems to want to answer my questions, mind you as they all concern, the Garda, jail and how long he'll spend there that's perhaps understandable...

[Poyol]

He never seems to want to answer my questions, mind you as they all concern, the Garda, jail and how long he'll spend there that's perhaps understandable...

He answered mine.
About his opinion on his critics.

J

[Theseus]

He answered mine.
About his opinion on his critics.

J

You're just a great big PM fanboy though :RpS_tongue:

[Poyol]

You're just a great big PM fanboy though :RpS_tongue:

Now that's unfair!
Just because he likes me better than you! :D

J

[Martin88]

I've just published a brand new piece on the FinchSells.com blog:

Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/)

[Poyol]

I've just published a brand new piece on the FinchSells.com blog:

Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/)

Great post - another post to compete with!

Jason

[AshKen1]

Great post - another post to compete with!

Jason

The more light that can be shone onto the murky world of BB the better in my opinion.

:)

[Poyol]

The more light that can be shone onto the murky world of BB the better in my opinion.

:)

And the friendly competition will help me get through a few hour slog!

Jason

[samuel.r]

I've just published a brand new piece on the FinchSells.com blog:

Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/)

Nice job and anyone who reads it (and understands it) and still defends BB is doing so out of self-righteous motivation and nothing else.

[hendyphilhendy]

I've just published a brand new piece on the FinchSells.com blog:

Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/)

Possibly the best blog I have seen on this topic.

[Julie Diligent]

I've just published a brand new piece on the FinchSells.com blog:

Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/)

A debunking par excellence!

I can see a parallel scambusting career path opening up: FinchDebunks.com? (with assistance from the RealScam posse, of course.)

Eat your hearts out Rod Cook and Troy Dooly.

[Mundorf]

Nice job and anyone who reads it (and understands it) and still defends BB is doing so out of self-righteous motivation and nothing else.

Those who do,prove BB as scam sometimes even more then we do

[Hypanor]

Have you considered asking this guy (http://www.empowernetwork.com/homeincomesystem/blog/banners-broker-new-zealand-faq/)?Have emailed him previously and to all my other questions he stated something along the lines of i can be sure bb is no pyramid scheme because it's been going for 2 years and they would have shut it down (my other posts mention the responses I received from him, he definitely a follower not a naysayer, got bored with his naivety.....

Have you mentioned to Carl Lucas that REINZ might be interested he's involved in a Ponzi? Carl Lucas - Realestate.co.nz (http://www.realestate.co.nz/profile/agent/100)

"my upline sponsor well on track to earning over $1.2 million this year" - either bullshit, or someone from overseas has signed him up.

Paihia is a nice little place, I wonder how many of his clients and townfolk he's talked into losing their money.

Edit: He's also involved with Profit-Click http://www.empowernetwork.com/homeincomesystem/blog/profit-clicking-automated-posting-software-for-classified-ads/
And has three other scammy looking domain names using his email address http://www.webboar.com/whois-email/carl.lucas@xtra.co.nz

Why doesn't it surprise me he's a real estate agent??

[Whip]

For those wanting to know, no I didn't get paid!

Also have some information regarding Ian Driscoll. He recently started looking into a new business venture starting up in Turkey which is apparently set to make Banners Broker look incredibly foolish in terms of money to be made. Is this a scam? Probably, but that's a different discussion for a different time. Rajiv Dixit got wind of this, obviously wasn't happy with is and has gotten rid of him.

What's interesting to note is Driscoll had just signed a 5 year lease on a new office in the UK as a base of operations for Banners Broker. He has now been left with this lease and Banners Broker don't want it. Its also worth noting this is not the new Manchester office supposedly opening in Jan.

Apparently Driscoll is glad to be out of it anyway. Take from that what you will and if anyone wants my source please PM me.

Don't be fooled. Guarantee 'Dixit' is involved in it in some capacity.

[Theseus]

Don't be fooled. Guarantee 'Dixit' is involved in it in some capacity.

What makes you so sure?

[Whip]

Just posted on Banners Broker Australia



A pretty poor analogy. Reasonably sensible up until points 14 and 15. This issue of self funding is utter rubbish.

As a one off it may be ok but you will never have enough funds in to be able to purchase lots of people's packages, you would be time restrained for a start. In addition whilst it may stop new money coming in, it also stops money being taken out of the system.

Thirdly, from a legal perspective if the scheme were to collapse and the affiliate was looking to get their money back, where would they go? Not to banners broker as that is not where they paid the money, but their sponsor. That is who the payment was made to, that is who I would be suing!

New money will be still be coming into the system at some point.

And the whole thing is written under the premise you can actually withdraw money. lol

[Whip]

Why does Paul McCarthy call the company Banners Brokers?
They all seem to do it - do they not know the name of the company they work for?

Jason

And since the name has allegedly been changed, why do they still call it that?

[Whip]

Claiming that VAT number is genuine and above board - that blows my point that he had deregistered!

I thought it was a fake number?

[Whip]

What makes you so sure?

It's the way these things work.

[hendyphilhendy]

I thought it was a fake number?

It probably is. My prior comment as to why it was potentially shown as invalid was because I said it could have once been valid but was now deregistered; However, today he stated that it was correct.

[Hypanor]

Ian Hildebrand (http://www.bannersbroker.freemotion.com.au/index.html)believes that you can fold a piece of paper 45 times to reach the moon. Thats why he invested in Banners Broker.

He has the sign-up form hosted on his music website, Sydney Music Web (http://sydneymusicweb.com/applic_bb.htm) and it appears he has an ABN. I feel another call to ASIC coming on...

I particularly like his "List of countrie you can join Banners Broker in" (http://www.bannersbroker.freemotion.com.au/countries.htm) - Antarctica?

[Hypanor]

Oh - kiwi chick, there was a reason I posted the Ian Hildebrand thing (aside from sending him a message to let him know he's now forever associated with a scam here on realscam). His is the earliest mention I can find (http://www.amazines.com/Internet__Marketing/article_detail.cfm/4102120?articleid=4102120)(so far) of NZ, although he is in Sydney. He's a prolific e-zine writer though, so could just be a copy/paste from somewhere - or he has knowledge or signed someone up in NZ himself.

At the moment, it doesn't look like there are any individuals who got it going in NZ, rather many have signed up under internationals. I've found quite a few blogs of people from Portugal, SoCal, Australia and others mentioning NZ. Still looking though....

[Hypanor]

Thursday, December 20, 2012Holiday Post
Hello Everyone!

Wow what a tremendously successful year it has been for BB and our affiliates. We have had quite the productive year and have a lot planned for 2013.

2012 saw us grow from a company of 5 or 6 employees to now just under 100 employees. We have moved our Canadian office into it's brand new 1500 sq ft building, and have grown from having less then 1000 affiliates at the beginning of the year too, over 250,000 affiliates as of the end of the year. We had great times expanding the company and brand on a even greater global scale by making stops in: Israel, Ireland, U.K., Sweden, Poland, and the launch of our BB World Tour in Ireland. Contrary to what some were saying that we would not last even a few months, well we are bigger and have a brighter future that we have had at any other point in the past.

This week on a respected MLM news website www.homeforbusiness.org released a poll ranking the top MLM companies in the world. The link for the poll is here The Top Direct Selling Companies In The World In 2013 (http://www.businessforhome.org/2012/12/the-top-direct-selling-companies-in-the-world-in-2013-poll/). When you go to the site you are given one vote, use that vote to help bring Banners Broker to the top of the list and show the world what a great opportunity it is and that this is the top Direct Selling company in the world. The poll is running until January 31, 2013, so feel free to pass this along to other BB affiliates.

BB has a lot of big plans for 2013, including further global expansion, with BB World Tour stops in Poland and India. Work will continue on the completion of our new Canadian office with hopeful completion by the end of 2013. We will continue to grow our support staff to better support our amazing affiliates. We want to continue to grow and be successful but in order to do that we need to make sure our affiliates are growing and being successful as well, this is our first priority.

This will be the last blog (EVER) for 2012 so we wanted to wish everyone a happy and safe holiday season and a Merry Christmas. Stay safe and we will see you all again in the New Year. Thank you so much for ALL YOUR MONEY such a successful 2012 it would not have been possible without all of your business and support.

Thanks

Banners Broker (http://bannersbroker.blogspot.ca/)

[Hypanor]

A post from Poland over on Whirlpool (http://whrl.pl/RdpQjA):

My name is Piotr. I'm from Poland, living in UK for a year now.
I've come to this forum while searching about BB.
I've been reading this tread for around 10 hours ( 7 today and 3 yesterday before I went to bed ).
Firstly, my head started to ache an hour ago. :P
What important is I did registered in BB like 2 weeks ago and was eager to try it but didn't got cash that time.
Now, I am really gratefull I haven't done that and found you guys talking about BB.
Seriously thanks to SirFlibble, comeonuptothehouse and many many more people ( from both sides of the barricade ;) ).

I really believed BB could change my life. Because of strugge in MLM I'm involved with, I had some worse times( motivation going down, not sure what to do, etc ).
So then BB appeared like a savior on a white horse!

Right now I sure feel more consious about ponzi, scam stuff, than I used to be before.
In example of BB – no adds generating profit, members waiting for money very long, people get banned, no real office, no support and a bunch of people saying : it's good, it's good just, be like zombie. ;)

I am also scared about BB polish community in Poland. I've seen so many movies about BB done by people who sounded confident about what they do. "Real business! – they say". I wish they were right.

Anyway, thanks for that.
Also, this discussion also helped me to see more details in Network Marketing organisation I'm involved with. That is a fantastic lesson!
Cheers!!

[Brenda]

can anyone tell me why my PM's are 'tracking' and not sent? Am I doing something wrong, again!

[Jerrygo]

I hope someone advised Piotr from Poland to try to get the word out there on Polish forums. Some others in his country might not have good enough english to benefit from realscam or whirlpool.

[Alkibone]

I've just published a brand new piece on the FinchSells.com blog:

Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/)Brilliant article ... I've just posted a link to it on MoreMeneyReview

[buckyuk]

It seems to me like the Banners Broker roadshowa are now just big training sessions on how to fight scam accusations.

Why not just concentrate on your business... Advertising.

[kiwi chick nz]

Have you mentioned to Carl Lucas that REINZ might be interested he's involved in a Ponzi? Carl Lucas - Realestate.co.nz (http://www.realestate.co.nz/profile/agent/100)

"my upline sponsor well on track to earning over $1.2 million this year" - either bullshit, or someone from overseas has signed him up.

Paihia is a nice little place, I wonder how many of his clients and townfolk he's talked into losing their money.

Edit: He's also involved with Profit-Click Profit Clicking – Automated Posting Software for Classified Ads | Carl Lucas's Empower Network Blog (http://www.empowernetwork.com/homeincomesystem/blog/profit-clicking-automated-posting-software-for-classified-ads/)
And has three other scammy looking domain names using his email address carl.lucas@xtra.co.nz Is Associated With 4 Domains (http://www.webboar.com/whois-email/carl.lucas@xtra.co.nz)

Why doesn't it surprise me he's a real estate agent??

His email responses told me that he signed up under some guy from south africa, don't worry though apparently he very helpful!!!!
kiwi

[kiwi chick nz]

I also noticed on Pauls webinar last night that when he's giving answers about bb being a scam he states "so this is what you should say....". Training the affiliates like little children.........or guinea pigs.....exactly how to respond to naysayers
kiwi

[noname999]

In the next installment of simple questions for the BB shrooms:

What is the address of the building BB say they bought in Canada?

Surely that should be the easiest one yet...

[AshKen1]

And the friendly competition will help me get through a few hour slog!

Jason

Agree with you there Jason. Some really good stuff around at the moment :)

[Beacon]

With respect to what people might do after Banners Broker
Who is this Brian Mcginty guy? ... to banners Broker and beyond
Online Company Review - How To Earn An Income Working From Home (http://www.onlinecompanyreview.com/)

beyond to Flexkom and Empower and Algarve property that is.

[Brenda]

In the next installment of simple questions for the BB shrooms:

What is the address of the building BB say they bought in Canada?

Surely that should be the easiest one yet...

thought it was Carlow Court, Whitby??

sent you a pm today, did you not get it??

[noname999]

No PM Brenda. You may need a minimum number of posts.

[Brenda]

No PM Brenda. You may need a minimum number of posts.

says I have messages tracking?? Will they send once I reach a certain number of posts here? And your last question is actually quite relative to my pm, so I also need to get clarification on that :)

[noname999]

My apologies Brenda. I do have your PM from last Sunday. Is that the one you are referring to?

[AshKen1]

With respect to what people might do after Banners Broker
Who is this Brian Mcginty guy? ... to banners Broker and beyond
Online Company Review - How To Earn An Income Working From Home (http://www.onlinecompanyreview.com/)

beyond to Flexkom and Empower and Algarve property that is.

Is this the thing that caused Mr Driscoll and BB to fall out?

:duh:

[noname999]

Driscoll and BB have not fallen out.

[AshKen1]

It seems to me like the Banners Broker roadshowa are now just big training sessions on how to fight scam accusations.

Why not just concentrate on your business... Advertising.

Wondering if it's worth us setting up a roadshow so that we can deny the existence of this website and this particular thread. It's just so daft: would be like Facebook denying it is social media. In fact, seeing as Facebook thrives on advertising, I am surprised that BB haven't tried to link in with them as well. Or (cue sinister music) perhaps they have.......

[Beethoven]

Strange, not a shill in sight.

Is BB finally dead?

None of the defenders want to play anymore :crying_2:

[AshKen1]

Driscoll and BB have not fallen out.

Poor choice of words from me "Driscoll and BB to appear to have fallen out".

:RpS_wink:

[AshKen1]

Strange, not a shill in sight.

Is BB finally dead?

None of the defenders want to play anymore :crying_2:

Maybe they are mindful of tomorrow and the Mayan calendar?

[Beacon]

thought it was Carlow Court, Whitby??

sent you a pm today, did you not get it??

Whitby Ontario Canada


BannersBroker (http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbannersbroker%2Ecom%2Fma in%2Fcontactus&urlhash=2KhL&_t=tracking_disc)

Lists:
Stellar Point Inc.
1. Carlow Court
Whitby, ON L1N 9T7
Phone:(905) 233 2351

they seem to give a link to 5? not 1 on their own web page

https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=5+carlow+court+whitby&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=5+Carlow+Ct,+Whitby,+Ontario+L1N+9T7&t=m&z=14&iwloc=A&source=embed

But 5 carlow court is Duram Energy
Durham Energy Specialist Limited in Whitby ON (http://www.fyple.ca/company/durham-energy-specialist-limited-aaeqam/)

And here we have Stellar point claiming the same address:
Stellar Point (http://stellarpoint.ca/contact.html)
so apparently they either are lying or dont own the whole building.

Maybe someone might contact Duram Energy and ask if they are aware of a scam operating in their building?

[noname999]

Of course they are lying. I'd nearly be disappointed at this stage if they didn't!

[EagleOne]

I've just published a brand new piece on the FinchSells.com blog:

Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/)

An AWESOME post and on a scale of 1-10, 10 being highest, I rate this a 15.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Mark Stokes (http://www.facebook.com/mstokes118)

> Latest Announcement By the CEO in INDIA **

1) Has just set up a NEW Corporate Office & Support Centre in BANGALORE, India

2) Banners Broker India will be opening a Corporate Bank Account in INDIA for easy payment to all its Indian Members (Bank Transfer). Since new RBI rules will be soon stopping all e-currency payments in India.

3) Banner Broker Version 2.6 released with new features, security & plans for longevity of the company.

4) Planning to issue prepaid BB cards for Indian Members, Awaiting approval from Indian Banks, This should be completed within 6 months.

5) Banners Broker website has now been renewed for the next 5 years & has strengthened its servers for better security.

6) Banners Broker is further Investing an additional 1 million US$ in India & Has done everything to be compliant with the New RBI Rules & Govt of India, MCA Regulation & guidelines for MLM / Foreign Companies operating in India.

7) BB is a genuine advertising & publishing company with long term plans of operating in INDIA

8) Banner Broker has announced the dates of its world tour in INDIA (Kolkata) on 8th, 9th, and 10th of February

[kiwi chick nz]

More posts deleted on bannersbroker main facebook page, can someone please go on facebook and post there telling them to go to the facebook page banners broker ponzi scam, some may see this before it's deleted, and am sure their posts will remain on the ponzi page. For those asking why I don't do that, cause i don't want my personal fb involved....if not will make another facebook page for myself
kiwi

[kiwi chick nz]

Crikey mate, the bb facebook page admin are working over time, comments being deleted at a rapid pace, surely this will have an affect..................

[littleroundman]

Crikey mate, the bb facebook page admin are working over time, comments being deleted at a rapid pace, surely this will have an affect..................

Never fear, it's ALL having an effect.

It all comes down to whether the criminals behind Banners Broker decide to do it with a bang or a whimper.

Either way, in a years' time after the end, there'll still be true believers who believe it will be resurrected.

There are STILL AdSurf Daily members who believe Andy Bowdoin is innocent, 4 years after ASD was closed down and even though Bowdoin this year pleaded guilty to multiple charges and currently sits in a jail cell.

[Beacon]

Looking up
Stellar Point (http://www.stellarpoint.ca)
You might notice while it claims to be in 5 Carlow court Ontario Canada it is in fact a server in Dallas Texas


IP Address:69.162.83.34IP Block:69.162.64.0 - 69.162.127.255
Reverse DNS:34-83-162-69.static.reverse.lstn.net
Host:Limestone Networks, Inc.
Dallas, TX, USA

Funnay how their new international HQ in Canada has its computer in Dallas isnt it?

And when you look up who else is on that Dallasserver you find
Others Domains on IP 69.162.83.34
ProsperGo | Where profession meet passion (http://www.prospergo.com/)

Which has the usual no name, address contacts . Fake writers of articles and oddly enough
a banner advertisement for you guessed it ...Banners Broker.

[noname999]

Hi activeone! We've missed you. Want to try answer any of the questions I've posed??

[noname999]

Its so cringeworthy the way the shrooms have to ask questions about BB...

'I'm not being critical I promise...I love BB...I will do whatever the crooks at the top want me to...but I'm just wondering, where has my money gone?...don't get me wrong, I am soooo glad I joined this scam...blah, blah, blah...etc etc etc'

They are so scared. Its pathetic.

[littleroundman]

Why not just concentrate on your business... Advertising.

If they concentrated on the real advertising content of their "business" it would take all of five minutes, THEN what are they going to do ???

[kiwi chick nz]

This on bb facebook, few minutes ago from Simon Nautre-Boy Church, London

check out their new choice website!! Townbeats.com - Presents Buzinga! (http://townbeats.com/?usr=BBIllumination)

WOW BB , I now believe what a choice new website and great ad, I can read it so clearly too!!!, amazing and soooooo worth the premium price charged by bb!!!
I don't know how to suss out who website belongs to nor find out whether 'Buzinga' (Sheldon Cooper's catch phrase? Does Chris smith IT genius watch big bang theory?) are bb's customers etc. I know others can though, so please do

[Joe_Shmoe]

Mark Stokes (http://www.facebook.com/mstokes118)



‎> Latest Announcement By the CEO in INDIA ** They have a CEO in India? Who?

1) Has just set up a NEW Corporate Office & Support Centre in BANGALORE, India Address please.

2) Banners Broker India will be opening a Corporate Bank Account in INDIA for easy payment to all its Indian Members (Bank Transfer). Since new RBI rules will be soon stopping all e-currency payments in India. Do Google announce every bank account they open?

3) Banner Broker Version 2.6 released with new features, security & plans for longevity of the company.
They seem very worried about the longevity for some reason. Are Google worried about their longevity?

4) Planning to issue prepaid BB cards for Indian Members, Awaiting approval from Indian Banks, This should be completed within 6 months.
Within 6 months? Six months I know pay days are getting longer & longer but that is ridiculous. SIX MONTHS?!


5) Banners Broker website has now been renewed for the next 5 years & has strengthened its servers for better security.
Website renewed? Big Wow! That must have cost a couple of hundred bucks!
Its good that the servers have beenstrengthened for better security.
So no more server issues then? And 98.9% uptime? Cool! :computer_smash:



6) Banners Broker is further Investing an additional 1 million US$ in India & Has done everything to be compliant with the New RBI Rules & Govt of India, MCA Regulation & guidelines for MLM / Foreign Companies operating in India.
1million US$? In a country the size of India? Petty cash. So is Banners Broker MLM then?


7) BB is a genuine advertising & publishing company with long term plans of operating in INDIA
If you keep saying it you might start believe it yourself.


8) Banner Broker has announced the dates of its world tour in INDIA (Kolkata) on 8th, 9th, and 10th of February

[Joe_Shmoe]

This on bb facebook, few minutes ago from Simon Nautre-Boy Church, London

check out their new choice website!! Townbeats.com - Presents Buzinga! (http://townbeats.com/?usr=BBIllumination)

WOW BB , I now believe what a choice new website and great ad, I can read it so clearly too!!!, amazing and soooooo worth the premium price charged by bb!!!
I don't know how to suss out who website belongs to nor find out whether 'Buzinga' (Sheldon Cooper's catch phrase? Does Chris smith IT genius watch big bang theory?) are bb's customers etc. I know others can though, so please do


Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (Domain Names | The World's Largest Domain Name Registrar - Go Daddy (http://www.godaddy.com))
Domain Name: TOWNBEATS.COM
Created on: 26-Apr-12
Expires on: 26-Apr-13
Last Updated on: 23-Aug-12

Registrant:
Domain Service
35 New Road
Belize City, Belize Central Belize
Belize

Administrative Contact:
Service, Domain domainservice80@gmail.com
35 New Road
Belize, Belize Central Belize
Belize
(661) 770-9988 Fax -- (661) 770-9988

Technical Contact:
Service, Domain domainservice80@gmail.com
35 New Road
Belize City, Belize Central Belize
Belize
(661) 770-9988 Fax -- (661) 770-9988

Domain servers in listed order:
NS19.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS20.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

Hmmmmm? Belize again.

Probably counterfeit headphones too.

[Jerrygo]

Belize again lol. they are really mupets. 2 sets of headphones for sale on their fake website!! and a crap bb banner.. wow real professional Chris. IT genius.

[Joe_Shmoe]

I don't know how to suss out who website belongs to nor find out whether 'Buzinga' (Sheldon Cooper's catch phrase? Does Chris smith IT genius watch big bang theory?) are bb's customers etc. I know others can though, so please do

I've got a BIG BANG THEORY I believe it might be happening soon. :RpS_laugh:

[littleroundman]

This on bb facebook, few minutes ago from Simon Nautre-Boy Church, London

check out their new choice website!! Townbeats.com - Presents Buzinga! (http://townbeats.com/?usr=BBIllumination)

WOW BB , I now believe what a choice new website and great ad, I can read it so clearly too!!!, amazing and soooooo worth the premium price charged by bb!!!
I don't know how to suss out who website belongs to nor find out whether 'Buzinga' (Sheldon Cooper's catch phrase? Does Chris smith IT genius watch big bang theory?) are bb's customers etc. I know others can though, so please do

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/town.jpg

So, we have a Banners Broker banner advertising Banners Broker.

I wonder if that counts as one of the six billion banners they claim to have out there.

[Hypanor]

More posts deleted on bannersbroker main facebook page, can someone please go on facebook and post there telling them to go to the facebook page banners broker ponzi scam, some may see this before it's deleted, and am sure their posts will remain on the ponzi page. For those asking why I don't do that, cause i don't want my personal fb involved....if not will make another facebook page for myself
kiwi

Just search Facebook for 'Banners Brokers', then find obvious pimps commenting on pages. Click on their profile, many people have no security on their page and allow guest comments and are slack at removing ones they don't like. We posted the link to Finch's latest on a couple of dozen affiliate pages last night - Anything to make the punters feel more nervous!! Unfortunately we (or I should say 'Matt') has been blocked from the main pages so they are off-limits to comments now.

[Beacon]

I notice townbeats is hosted on the same Texas server as the so called Canadian persence
Host Details: Stellar Point (http://www.stellarpoint.ca)

IP Address:69.162.83.34IP Block:69.162.64.0 - 69.162.127.255
Reverse DNS:34-83-162-69.static.reverse.lstn.net
Host:Limestone Networks, Inc.
Dallas, TX, USA

Additional Information: Stellar Point (http://www.stellarpoint.ca)
Others Domains on IP 69.162.83.34 (2)
prospergo.com
townbeats.com

By the way re facebook and social network you might be interested in these 59 Linkedin groups:
http://www.linkedin.com/search-fe/group_search?pplSearchOrigin=GLHD&keywords=Banners+Broker

[BB Defender]

It took me 10 seconds to find this:

Day 161 Now in Profit on Banners Broker (http://www.bannersbrokerstrategy.com/2012/10/day-161-now-in-profit-on-banners-broker/)

This is typical when any BB affiliates talk about their earnings. This person put $1,070 into BB in May and their total earnings by October was $10,765. So they experienced a return on investment of $9,675 -- or 906%. Annualized, that is 2,176%

I can find you dozens of other examples of this, including YouTube videos and sales pitches from various "independent contractors".

So, how exactly do you explain all of this actual evidence from screen shots of dashboards, and enthusiastic bloggers proclaiming "zero risk" and "pure profit from here on out" -- when you and the rest of the BB apologists are now trying to downplay this by saying "hey, we only make $7.50 and it takes a couple of weeks to make that...this is no big deal"?

The truth of the matter is that the investment returns are beyond normal, for an activity that the participant spends exactly zero hours per year on direct sales and never sees much less touches the "product".

I'd love to hear your defense of this.

Look here Sam, the people who promote it using nonsensical profit levels are doing so incorrectly they are showing you the gross trading activity as net profit, no one in the business world shows gross trading activity as ROI. Total earnings in the ewallet are the same as gross profit, those guys talking nonsense by mixing ROI with gross profit are not educated in business and so are making nonsensical statements out of ignorance and a desire to quickly achieve a large group of affiliates under them so that they receive commission in addition to their normal trading profit, their actions are not defensible but can be explained as ignorant. Go and look on the bannersbroker website, the cost of the smallest panel is $10 it requires 5000 impressions/traffic to qualify it i.e allow it to be sent back to market for sale. The 5000 impressions currently cost $2.50 ($50 buys you a 100000 impressions on a monthly basis) and when the impressions are served on the blind network (Tier 2 websites) the total return is $20, if you take away your initial costs for purchasing the panel and impressions/traffic your return on investment is $7.50 (37.5%).

every other colour panel is simply a multiple of the small yellow panel see below and costs the same equivalent amount to qualify and returns the same level of profit.

Yellow costs $10 requires 5000 impressions costing $2.50 to qualify pays $20 when impressions served profit after costs $7.50 ROI 37.5%
Purple costs $30 requires 15000 impressions costing $7.50 to qualify pays $60 when impressions served profit after costs $22.50 ROI 37.5%
Blue costs $90 requires 45000 impressions costing $22.50 to qualify pays $180 when impressions served profit after costs $67.50 ROI 35%
Green costs $270 requires 135000 impressions costing $67.50 to qualify pays $540 when impressions served profit after costs $202.50 ROI 37.5%
Red costs $810 requires 405000 impressions costing $202.50 to qualify pays $1620 when impressions served profit after costs $607.5 ROI 37.5%
Black costs $2430 requires 1215000 impressions costing $607.50 to qualify pays $4860 when impressions served profit after costs $1822.5 ROI 37.5%

if as an ignorant bb affiliate I said I put in $10 bought a yellow panel qualified it and sold it, repeating this action 12 times in a year (as it only takes 4 weeks to serve all its impressions) each time it payed $20 the total earnings would show up as $240 at the end of the year WOW all from $10, but in terms of net profit this would be $240 -($120 cost of panels + $30 impressions/traffic) = $90 to earn this $90 I would have had to sell 12 yellow panels over the course of the year so $90/12 = $7.50, and we are back to the ROI per panel sold of 37.5%.

I hope this makes it clearer for you to see why although it looks fantastically profitable it is actually just standard levels of trading profit.

However as with any affiliate marketing business by referring new affiliates you can earn extra commission and receive free impressions to sell so your business becomes a bit more profitable than the standard 37.5% ROI. Just ask the AVON lady how she has been making a great commission on the business undertaken by people she has referred its all affiliate marketing.

[littleroundman]

You know, I once watched an interview with a native American chief.

He explained how, every morning, he would get up before dawn and "sing" the sun up.

He even had "proof"

He could trace back over 400 years where his predecessors had followed exactly the same routine, and, never once in over 400 years had they failed to get the sun to rise.

Not once.

The only problem is................................................ .................................................. .....................

[BB Defender]

It took me 10 seconds to find this:

Day 161 Now in Profit on Banners Broker (http://www.bannersbrokerstrategy.com/2012/10/day-161-now-in-profit-on-banners-broker/)

This is typical when any BB affiliates talk about their earnings. This person put $1,070 into BB in May and their total earnings by October was $10,765. So they experienced a return on investment of $9,675 -- or 906%. Annualized, that is 2,176%

I can find you dozens of other examples of this, including YouTube videos and sales pitches from various "independent contractors".

So, how exactly do you explain all of this actual evidence from screen shots of dashboards, and enthusiastic bloggers proclaiming "zero risk" and "pure profit from here on out" -- when you and the rest of the BB apologists are now trying to downplay this by saying "hey, we only make $7.50 and it takes a couple of weeks to make that...this is no big deal"?

The truth of the matter is that the investment returns are beyond normal, for an activity that the participant spends exactly zero hours per year on direct sales and never sees much less touches the "product".

I'd love to hear your defense of this.

Look here Sam, the people who promote it using nonsensical profit levels are doing so incorrectly they are showing you the gross trading activity as net profit, no one in the business world shows gross trading activity as ROI. Total earnings in the ewallet are the same as gross profit, those guys talking nonsense by mixing ROI with gross profit are not educated in business and so are making nonsensical statements out of ignorance and a desire to quickly achieve a large group of affiliates under them so that they receive commission in addition to their normal trading profit, their actions are not defensible but can be explained as ignorant. Go and look on the bannersbroker website, the cost of the smallest panel is $10 it requires 5000 impressions/traffic to qualify it i.e allow it to be sent back to market for sale. The 5000 impressions currently cost $2.50 ($50 buys you a 100000 impressions on a monthly basis) and when the impressions are served on the blind network (Tier 2 websites) the total return is $20, if you take away your initial costs for purchasing the panel and impressions/traffic your return on investment is $7.50 (37.5%).

every other colour panel is simply a multiple of the small yellow panel see below and costs the same equivalent amount to qualify and returns the same level of profit.

Yellow costs $10 requires 5000 impressions costing $2.50 to qualify pays $20 when impressions served profit after costs $7.50 ROI 37.5%
Purple costs $30 requires 15000 impressions costing $7.50 to qualify pays $60 when impressions served profit after costs $22.50 ROI 37.5%
Blue costs $90 requires 45000 impressions costing $22.50 to qualify pays $180 when impressions served profit after costs $67.50 ROI 35%
Green costs $270 requires 135000 impressions costing $67.50 to qualify pays $540 when impressions served profit after costs $202.50 ROI 37.5%
Red costs $810 requires 405000 impressions costing $202.50 to qualify pays $1620 when impressions served profit after costs $607.5 ROI 37.5%
Black costs $2430 requires 1215000 impressions costing $607.50 to qualify pays $4860 when impressions served profit after costs $1822.5 ROI 37.5%

if as an ignorant bb affiliate I said I put in $10 bought a yellow panel qualified it and sold it, repeating this action 12 times in a year (as it only takes 4 weeks to serve all its impressions) each time it payed $20 the total earnings would show up as $240 at the end of the year WOW all from $10, but in terms of net profit this would be $240 -($120 cost of panels + $30 impressions/traffic) = $90 to earn this $90 I would have had to sell 12 yellow panels over the course of the year so $90/12 = $7.50, and we are back to the ROI per panel sold of 37.5%.

I hope this makes it clearer for you to see why although it looks fantastically profitable it is actually just standard levels of trading profit.

However as with any affiliate marketing business by referring new affiliates you can earn extra commission and receive free impressions to sell so your business becomes a bit more profitable than the standard 37.5% ROI. Just ask the AVON lady how she has been making a great commission on the business undertaken by people she has referred its all affiliate marketing.

[Beacon]

https://www.facebook.com/BannersBrokerFactsAndUpdates

Lorenzo Guarini Banners Broker Brand Ambassador will be in the UK during the first 2 weeks of January to facilitate the office opening. Lorenzo will be joined by David Hooker later to conduct a nonstop city by city tour of the UK

This "brand ambassador" who is in PR and communications has an empty Linkedin profile - no employment history
Lorenzo Guarini | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lorenzo-guarini/16/a26/822)
Here is some of lorenzos history

"The Warehouse" ~ Off-Topic Posts ~ (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/The-Warehouse-Topic-t414117.html&p=7115194#entry7115194)
See under the list on 24 July 2008


ICF World Homes...

Lorenzo Guarini
Compliance Officer - 1-877-ICF-7555 ext. 710
lorenzo@icfworldhomes.com

Looks like ICF had a complaince officer too? lol


Note also the 49 Middle East "Employees" who in fact when you look are not employees but probably mid level stooges. Some are pensioners in the UK.
Banners Broker Middle East | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/company/banners-broker-middle-east?trk=top_nav_home)

[Jerrygo]

Just had a chance to read Finch's updated blog. A work of art, and an easily understood debunking of this nasty scam. Anyone who reads that and still believe bb's sh*t needs medical treatment.

Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/)

[kiwi chick nz]

Exactly!!, I couldn't even see bb's ad properly text was hidden behind picture...lol


http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/town.jpg

So, we have a Banners Broker banner advertising Banners Broker.

I wonder if that counts as one of the six billion banners they claim to have out there.

[Beacon]

Anyone come across this yet? great for quote mining and a picture of one of the elusive so called "leaders"
Ironically in spite of them being there this guy has no video footage or photos up of the top guys in the conference.
Banners Broker Dublin in Ireland World Tour News Update | Mark Stokes (http://www.mark-stokes.com/banners-broker-dublin-in-ireland-world-tour-news-update)

Do their stooges know "cpmpliance " means "accounts submitted to a statutory standards authority"
LOL when ever you ask for such accounts you are treated like an apostate . Unbeliever!

[Whip]

At least they're consistent:


We have moved our Canadian office into it's brand new 1500 sq ft building

Another 1 bay garage.

[Whip]

If they concentrated on the real advertising content of their "business" it would take all of five minutes, THEN what are they going to do ???

Indeed . As soon as they say 'banners broker is an advertising business' they're all done.

[Theseus]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/town.jpg

So, we have a Banners Broker banner advertising Banners Broker.

I wonder if that counts as one of the six billion banners they claim to have out there.

I take it that'll be the work of


2368


Hold on, where was that she worked before joining Stellar Point?


2369


That wouldn't happen to be this UPS Store would it?


2370


Because that address looks mighty familiar....

2371

[Nourjan]

Ian Hildebrand (http://www.bannersbroker.freemotion.com.au/index.html)believes that you can fold a piece of paper 45 times to reach the moon. Thats why he invested in Banners Broker.





That quote is a fact .If you can fold a A4 sized paper 45 times, its thickness will be greater than the distance between earth and the moon.Of course it is physically(as in in the Laws of Physics) impossible to fold a paper that many times.

On a related note , it is also mathematically impossible for BB to be a real and legitimate business.

[Whip]

I take it that'll be the work of


2368


Hold on, where was that she worked before joining Stellar Point?


2369


That wouldn't happen to be this UPS Store would it?


2370


Because that address looks mighty familiar....

2371

Anyone find who registered 'buzinga.ca' that doesn't allow you to actually buy anything?

[Theseus]

Anyone find who registered 'buzinga.ca' that doesn't allow you to actually buy anything?

Not so far, it just comes back to SIBERNAME INTERNET AND SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGIES INC

[kiwi chick nz]

bb main facebook page postings, thought I would repost them here in case they deleted again, that way everyone can read them, oh the benefits of being way down the bottom of the world......seems bb facebook censor staff are asleep...

Banners Broker now have over 250,000 affiliates worldwide!
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236 people like this.

Mimi Varela Acho que nada deve ser apagado.
See Translation
5 hours ago · Like · 1

Willie McBey BB have had an amazing journey so far, roll on 2013 and beyond
5 hours ago · Like · 1

Laurie Weller This business can truly change the lives of each individual in their own personal way.
4 hours ago · Like

Tim Collins 30 comments now only 2 on fb know , how long will it take them to remove this one ?
4 hours ago via mobile · Like

Antonio Guzzetti is beautiful with panels blocked by 2 weeks
4 hours ago · Like · 2

Tim Collins ????????
4 hours ago via mobile · Like

Antonio Guzzetti A disaster happened in Italy and we were stuck with the panels, not going on for almost 2 weeks and I was told that starting next week it will all be resolved, I just started and already I'm disappointed
4 hours ago · Like · 2

Antonio Guzzetti good night
4 hours ago · Like

Heidi Michiels Panels not moving since 8 days!
I think we need an update! No?
4 hours ago · Like · 4

Elmano Nobrega Sou um deles força BB
See Translation
4 hours ago · Like

Mudbone Willie hey my bruther boney sends this facebooks to me - why pople say this scam? I put WELFARE mony in so I hope not scam! it say here https://www.facebook.com/pages/Banners-Broker-Ponzi-Scam/398614356881465
4 hours ago · Edited · Like

Aline Almeida Ferreira Eu também sou um deles,
See Translation
3 hours ago · Like

Simon Nature-Boy Church check out their new choice website!! Townbeats.com - Presents Buzinga! (http://townbeats.com/?usr=BBIllumination)
3 hours ago · Like · 1

João Manuel Filipe next year 1.000.000....good luck
3 hours ago · Like

Michel de Hei I dont think its a scam a friend of mine just pay out 10.000 doller last month
3 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1

Mudbone Willie I done think it ponzi becase I keep put welfare mony an I gets lot panels!!!
2 hours ago · Like

Alvaro Neto I don´t beleived, but why take a look to this page : Townbeats.com - Presents Buzinga! (http://townbeats.com/?usr=bbbuster)
2 hours ago · Like

Glenn Morley Can we please have an explanation why the panels have stopped???????
about an hour ago via mobile · Like · 1

Chan Gc All panels stopped, Why ? Why? Why ????????
about an hour ago · Like

Jorge Filipe Santos Yeah why the panels have stoped??????? More than a week man.
55 minutes ago via mobile · Like

Chan Gc Who's tell me ??? What's Happen ??? Why make me sad on holiday ???
53 minutes ago · Like

Nadine Scott Rogers Patience! They have been updating the website. They are making it better for all of us.
29 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 1

Avijit Talukdar i think, u r right Nadine Scott .
16 minutes ago · Like

[kiwi chick nz]

Make sure to post on facebook bannersbroker with no spaces this site has 10,000+ members

[Hypanor]

That quote is a fact .If you can fold a A4 sized paper 45 times, its thickness will be greater than the distance between earth and the moon.Of course it is physically(as in in the Laws of Physics) impossible to fold a paper that many times.

On a related note , it is also mathematically impossible for BB to be a real and legitimate business.

Yes, 8 times is the maximum you can fold any sized sheet paper I believe. Which coincidentally is the number of weeks for yellow panels to start capping when BB unveil their NEW "This Is How It Will Be" rules in January - to make things better for afffiliates of course.

[Whip]

Not so far, it just comes back to SIBERNAME INTERNET AND SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGIES INC

Ok. That's all I'm getting too.

[okosh]

You know, I once watched an interview with a native American chief.

He explained how, every morning, he would get up before dawn and "sing" the sun up.

He even had "proof"

He could trace back over 400 years where his predecessors had followed exactly the same routine, and, never once in over 400 years had they failed to get the sun to rise.

Not once.

The only problem is................................................ .................................................. .....................

..........The next day he slept in.........

[okosh]

Maybe they are mindful of tomorrow and the Mayan calendar?

December 21st here 3.30pm.....The world has not ended yet....

But just in case it does....Feel free to send me all your money.....
No US$ please....Only the good Aussie stuff.....

[legalrep]

..........The next day he slept in.........



Nobody really cares if BB is a scam or not. The little guy just wants to play a little poker like the big boys do on Wall Street. The little guys don't get invited to play with the big crooks on Wall street, so BB is letting them have that chance. I say back off and let adults make their own decisions on how to spend their money. Legal or not, it's our money. If I choose to play poker you have no right to be my babysitter. Real Scam should focus it's attention on protecting children and leave the adults alone to play whatever hand they choose. We don't need another parent.

[Theseus]

Nobody really cares if BB is a scam or not. The little guy just wants to play a little poker like the big boys do on Wall Street. The little guys don't get invited to play with the big crooks on Wall street, so BB is letting them have that chance. I say back off and let adults make their own decisions on how to spend their money. Legal or not, it's our money. If I choose to play poker you have no right to be my babysitter. Real Scam should focus it's attention on protecting children and leave the adults alone to play whatever hand they choose. We don't need another parent.


The thing is, a lot of those involved in BB don't know they're playing poker at all, or that some of the other players are sitting at the table with 4 aces each....

[Hypanor]

Hang on, is this an official warning from Banners Brokers legal rep? Woohoo, finally!

So now Banners Broker is actually a share trading scam scheme? Here I was thinking it was to do with not selling advertising!

[okosh]

Nobody really cares if BB is a scam or not. The little guy just wants to play a little poker like the big boys do on Wall Street. The little guys don't get invited to play with the big crooks on Wall street, so BB is letting them have that chance. I say back off and let adults make their own decisions on how to spend their money. Legal or not, it's our money. If I choose to play poker you have no right to be my babysitter. Real Scam should focus it's attention on protecting children and leave the adults alone to play whatever hand they choose. We don't need another parent.

Now,now...No need to throw all your toys out of your play pen in a hissy fit.....

Poker is legal....Banners Brokers is fraud.....Even a little snot nosed brat who thought he was born with a better pot to piss in should be able to work that part out....

[Julie Diligent]

This on bb facebook, few minutes ago from Simon Nautre-Boy Church, London

check out their new choice website!! Townbeats.com - Presents Buzinga! (http://townbeats.com/?usr=BBIllumination)

I don't know how to suss out who website belongs to nor find out whether 'Buzinga' (Sheldon Cooper's catch phrase? Does Chris smith IT genius watch big bang theory?) are bb's customers etc. I know others can though, so please do

As the resident Choice Network gumshoe, allow me...

There are 56 domain names registered to BB on the Choice Network server (IP: 69.162.83.34 (http://whois.domaintools.com/69.162.83.34)). I was able to identify 53 a few weeks ago, townbeats.com being one of them. However it didn't host a website, just a holding page, so I didn't post it in here.

So let's take a closer look at buzinga.ca, the site peddling the $299 Dr. Dre headphones:


Domain name: buzinga.ca
Domain status: registered
Creation date: 2012/03/12
Expiry date: 2014/03/12
Updated date: 2012/11/28
Registrar:
Name: SIBERNAME INTERNET AND SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGIES INC.
Number: 108



Hmmm... that's all; not the usual GoDaddy registrar and full registrant details. They've used Sibername and paid for privacy protection (smart move). Looks like a dead-end.

But wait! Let's have a little lookie-see at the similar domain name registered on the same day: buzinga.org (http://whois.domaintools.com/buzinga.org)...


Domain Name:BUZINGA.ORG
Created On:12-Mar-2012 20:25:49 UTC
Last Updated On:28-Nov-2012 18:21:34 UTC
Expiration Date:12-Mar-2014 20:25:49 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Sibername Internet and Software Technologies Inc. (R1388-LROR)
Registrant Name:Kelly Stinson
Registrant Organization:8136645 Canada Limited
Registrant Street1:637 Merlin Court
Registrant City:Oshawa
Registrant State/Province:Ontario
Registrant Postal Code:L1K1M3
Registrant Country:CA
Registrant Phone:+1.9059033600
Registrant Email: kellyguarini@yahoo.ca



...and then cross-check it on the Canadian corporations database...



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...and then scoot over to Google Maps to check out the address (https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&q=637+Merlin+Court,+Oshawa&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89d51cb136cc5629:0x261b391c2b3b8305,637+Me rlin+Ct,+Oshawa,+ON+L1K+1M5,+Canada&gl=uk&ei=QvPTUJvaOYSp0AX_2IGgCA&ved=0CDUQ8gEwAA)...



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...and then see who the occupant is...



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BINGO!

So on the basis of this evidence, it's reasonable to speculate that Townbeats/Buzinga is a discreet e-commerce project fronted by Kelly Stinson and operated from a house owned by Banners Broker Brand Ambassador Lorenzo Guarini. Their email address, kellyguarini@yahoo.ca, would suggest they are an item, if not man and wife. Perhaps they met and fell for each other while they were doing this money cycler (http://cidsbks.webs.com/25moneycycler.htm).

But there's more...

If you wander round the Buzinga site looking for the identity of the corporation you'll be handing over your hard-earned $299 to in the hope they'll send you your deeply discounted Dr. Dre cans, you'll be out of luck. You'll have to wait until you're part-way through your PayPal transaction to find you're doing business with the anonymous "8136655 Canada Limited".

Spot the difference, did you? Thought not. The sixth digit should actually be 4, not 5. No wonder I couldn't find it, initially, when I searched the Canada corporations database.

Deliberate obfuscation? You might like to speculate; I couldn't possibly comment.

Anyway, were you to go ahead and order your headphones only to find they're faulty, following the instructions on their Returns and Refunds Policy, you would have to return them to:


Buzinga
RMA ####
Attention: buzinga
5 Carlow Court
Whitby, Ontario


And we all know by now the significance of that much-talked-about address, don't we?

So what does all this mean? Why are they selling these products themselves? To see if they can make money legitimately, selling actual, not virtual, products?

Well it only makes sense. They'll need something to fall back on when BB goes tits up?

[Hypanor]

Nice work Julie, very Diligent!

[Theseus]

This'll be Kelly, then...

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and this'll be Lorenzo


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[EagleOne]

Nobody really cares if BB is a scam or not. The little guy just wants to play a little poker like the big boys do on Wall Street. The little guys don't get invited to play with the big crooks on Wall street, so BB is letting them have that chance. I say back off and let adults make their own decisions on how to spend their money. Legal or not, it's our money. If I choose to play poker you have no right to be my babysitter. Real Scam should focus it's attention on protecting children and leave the adults alone to play whatever hand they choose. We don't need another parent.

For those of you who don't speak Ponzi speak, let me translate:

Stop it you are hurting recruiting. Who cares if we are wanting people to join so we can get our money out? We finally get a program that a lot of stupid people will join and you keep exposing it. So stop it as you are costing me money. You should focus on all the other Ponzi's and leave my Ponzi alone. We don't need more exposure proving BB is a Ponzi like you are doing at RS and Finchsells. It is bad for business, so stop it now or I'll hold my breath until you do; or I'll tell my mommy on you. So there.

[littleroundman]

Nobody really cares if BB is a scam or not. The little guy just wants to play a little poker like the big boys do on Wall Street. The little guys don't get invited to play with the big crooks on Wall street, so BB is letting them have that chance. I say back off and let adults make their own decisions on how to spend their money. Legal or not, it's our money. If I choose to play poker you have no right to be my babysitter. Real Scam should focus it's attention on protecting children and leave the adults alone to play whatever hand they choose. We don't need another parent.

NOBODY really cares ????

You mean ALL the members know Banners Broker is a HYIP ponzi and they are all "playing"

WOW, what a clever little bunch of HYIP ponzi players they all are.

How clever of them "ALL" to be able to continue pretending Banners Broker is a real business without giving the slightest hint they know they're not "investing" they're only playing HYIP ponzi games.

You know, some of the Banners Broker members will be right up there when they hand out the Academy Awards next year.

What an amazing acting job they're doing.

Up until you told us, I could have sworn at least one or two of them think their future is rosy and they've hit the motherlode.

Do you have a copy of the Banners Broker announcement where Smiffy lets new members in on the secret, by any chance ???

[noname999]

Just a few things:

1) Activeone: Why do you skulk around in the shadows now? Why don't you answer our questions? Your silence is so damning.
2) BBdefender: In the business world, how feasible do you think a 37.5% return every month is?
3) The latest delay tactic seems to be that they are now unqualifying panels. Come on, seriously, for the shrooms out there:
HOW COULD THIS BE HAPPENING UNLESS ITS ON PURPOSE??

[Poyol]

Where's BalancedView?

Jason

[amathyst87]

Doesn't change how I feel about everything, but have to say i'm relieved. Just been paid! That's my money back. Feel like I can relax a little now. Just feel sorry for those who havent got theirs back yet.

[amathyst87]

Regarding these Dre headphones and this Buzinga site. This is being promoted in the back end of banners broker as a new choice network and an opportunity to earn 'organic traffic'. I've attached an image. Hope it works.

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[Poyol]

Independent Contractor Office Closures during: Holiday Period

Tisochritifaos Ltd
Cyprus/ Greece: The office will be closed from December 22- January 1

CM Consulting
France: The office will be closed from December 21- January 2

North Star Support
Iceland/Sweden The office will be closed from December 21 - January 1

Banners Broker India
India: Banners Broker India office will closed only on Christmas Day - December 25

Stellar Point Inc.
International The office will be closed from December 21 - January 2

Macoone Online Marketing
Ireland: The office will be closed from December 21 - 26, December 29 - January 2

Exclusivalcance Unipessoal Lda
Portugal: The office will be closed on December 24 - 25, December 31 and January 1

Imander Associates S.L.
Spain: The office will be closed from December 22 - January 6

[Hypanor]

Kiwi - another kiwi connection for you: Allan Mitchell of Tauranga

I stumbled across this sad video (posted on a UK affiliates facebook page, presumably Allans sponsor) - Cate and Allan BB Interview NZ Dec 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PtAAJhkyF4)

Poor Cate is a 60 year old solo mum, Allan donated a panel to her to get her started. Now 8 months and $290 of her own money later ("I used food money that I shouldn't have"), she has oodles of panels. She has also managed to recruit 15 of her friends (probably also seniors). They start talking numbers, she has 313 Yellow panels which gives her a return of $10 each every 3.5 weeks. A healthy income, I'm thinking.

But then they reveal that in 8 months, she has actually only taken $690 in cash out (still a good return for 8 months "clicking buttons for 10 minutes every 2 or 3 days"), the rest are just the numbers on the screen (surprise, surprise).

Allan almost got his account locked (they are watching you Allan) when he said she was "re-investing... well not investing blah..."

(Edit: Cate is obviously fairly gullible, she looks bewildered at Allans quip about the population exploding to 400,000 over summer. Anyone who knows the Mount, and lives there like Cate does, knows that's absurd. But the look on her face when he says it - almost like "he must be right, I better believe him")

A little bit about Allan:
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Searches show he's a bit of a dabbler in all sorts of independent distributor pies, including a minor comment on NZ's own scambusters forum - ScamBusters New Zealand • View topic - Snake Oil (MPG-Caps) on TradeMe... (http://scambusters.co.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4275&start=15)

What I was trying to find though, was if he is the same Allan Mitchell (manager for Erdic (NZ) Ltd) who got fined $100,000 in 2008:
Media Releases | Commerce Commission (http://www.comcom.govt.nz/media-releases/detail/2008/boguspillbusinessbustedforbreachof)

Closest I could find (as Erdic seems to have different ownership now) was this, but unfortunately the page doesn't actually exist anymore:
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Having the double-l in his name, and being in Tauranga, its a pretty safe bet to say he's got serious (and not so serious) past form...

[noname999]

Where's BalancedView?

Jason

On holidays until the 2nd...

[noname999]

Doesn't change how I feel about everything, but have to say i'm relieved. Just been paid! That's my money back. Feel like I can relax a little now. Just feel sorry for those who havent got theirs back yet.

So the question now is...do you continue in the program?

[Beacon]

Yellow costs $10 requires 5000 impressions costing $2.50 to qualify pays $20 when impressions served profit after costs $7.50 ...I put in $10 bought a yellow panel qualified it and sold it, repeating this action 12 times in a year (as it only takes 4 weeks to serve all its impressions) each time it payed $20 the total earnings would show up as $240 at the end of the year WOW all from $10,

Here is my take on this:

AS I see it 10+2.50 = 12.50 per yellow
Everytime you SELL then note I put in $10 bought a yellow panel qualified it and sold it So that is 12.5 in the system
If you do this 12 times that is 150 in the system

Now I accept you say the system owes you 240 but the system wont be able to pay because you only put in 150. The system is 90 short. So wher dos the other 90 come from? Well it simply comes from the new stooges signing up!
AS yu move up the pyramid you may get more and more money you can withdraw. But greed will keep many people locked in.
Fortunately ther appears to be over 200,000 yellow stooges at 90 a go and their 18 million has been redistributed to the people higher upline who as you admit sold them the panels

Of course this can't go on forever. Eventually you will run out of downline contributers. But not before those on top freeze payments and divert all the 90 and other lower contributers into their own pockets.

[Beacon]

Well the server of
'buzinga.ca' is Netelligent Hosting Services Inc. IP Address:67.212.79.43 and seems to be the only hosted from this IP address. The server hosting www.buzinga.ca is located in a data center in Laval, Quebec, Canada. Judged by traffic volume, www.buzinga.ca is ranked beyond the top 1 million among all websites by Quantcast and is estimated to be worth $0 based on potential ad revenue from website traffic.

[Beacon]

Nobody really cares if BB is a scam or not. ... I say back off and let adults make their own decisions on how to spend their money. Legal or not, it's our money. If I choose to play poker you have no right to be my babysitter. ... We don't need another parent.

Legal rep you will have no legal reputation if you dont learn something about jurisprudence.
Adults have a right not to be exploited. Do you really think that slavery should be legally acceptable?
If you chose to do something which harms yourself or others then the law says that others e.g. The State ( by which I mean police Army) have a right to intervene.
Otherwise people have a right to speak freely about you and publicise your actions as long as they dont go about maliciously harming you.
You getting hurt because of a prevention the possible pain you might cause isn't malicious.

Also you have no authority to decide or force Real Scam to focus its attention anywhere. Nor does real scam for that matter. It goes where the members post.

Also, saying "nobody cares" is illogical. Im sure you meant "there is not anyone who cares" but that is factually incorrect as proven by many posts in this thread.

Finally some adults not alone need parents they need incarceration. If they didnt how do you explain the existance of those mental hospitals and prisons?

[Beacon]

The Top Direct Selling Companies In The World In 2013 (http://www.businessforhome.org/2012/12/the-top-direct-selling-companies-in-the-world-in-2013-poll/)
lol banners broker now at number 3
On the minus side how could such a scheme get so rated.
Mind you the chatty Irish with their net activity have polled a journeyman apprentice soccer player top of an Italian "best players" list and got the Wolfe tones "A Natiopn once Again" as the top song of all times in a BBC poll.
On the plus side it proves that 200,000 people cant be active in BB enough to know about the poll.
In fact the disparate Linkedin groups shows their lack of management and organisation.
strange how associates dont wonder why all these groups exist none of whioch has an actual BB employee.
There were about 900 at the Dublin leg of the world tour . The 2,000 or so votes would suggest most of the activity in the scheme is Irish/UK. Of course going by the reports many in Dublin came from Holland Poland Portugal etc.

[AshKen1]

Where's BalancedView?

Jason

As it's panto season: He's behind you!!

[Poyol]

As it's panto season: He's behind you!!

Oh no he isn't!

[AshKen1]

Oh no he isn't!

:scared_1:

Oh yes he is!!

[Theseus]

As it's panto season: He's behind you!!

Which panto are Banners Broker putting on this year?

Raj Dixit and the 40 Thieves?

[amathyst87]

So the question now is...do you continue in the program?

To be honest, yes I will continue to let it run. I'm not in a strong enough financial position to take the moral high ground and say I don't want the extra money. I don't and am not going to rely on Banners Broker for day to day living, bills etc, but whilst it continues to work and pay out, I will withdraw to my Banners Broker card. Very hypocritical I agree but it's not like i'm going round recruiting, just the opposite in fact.

[Poyol]

To be honest, yes I will continue to let it run. I'm not in a strong enough financial position to take the moral high ground and say I don't want the extra money. I don't and am not going to rely on Banners Broker for day to day living, bills etc, but whilst it continues to work and pay out, I will withdraw to my Banners Broker card. Very hypocritical I agree but it's not like i'm going round recruiting, just the opposite in fact.

If you know what it is - and still continue to try to make more money than your initial investment is almost as bad as people who recruit if not equal to.
You're still taking money from people who don't know what this is.

Jason

[noname999]

To be honest, yes I will continue to let it run. I'm not in a strong enough financial position to take the moral high ground and say I don't want the extra money. I don't and am not going to rely on Banners Broker for day to day living, bills etc, but whilst it continues to work and pay out, I will withdraw to my Banners Broker card. Very hypocritical I agree but it's not like i'm going round recruiting, just the opposite in fact.

If you wish to profit from the scam...why are you here?

[Theseus]

To be honest, yes I will continue to let it run. I'm not in a strong enough financial position to take the moral high ground and say I don't want the extra money. I don't and am not going to rely on Banners Broker for day to day living, bills etc, but whilst it continues to work and pay out, I will withdraw to my Banners Broker card. Very hypocritical I agree but it's not like i'm going round recruiting, just the opposite in fact.

So it's a case of "do what I say, not what I do"?

[noname999]

Honestly amathyst, I know we are attacking you now but you have to see why. You are claiming to want this scam shut down but you are happy enough to profit from others misery. I have to say I find it very strange. Your justification is that you can't afford to take the moral high ground. You survived before it came along. And you will have to survive when it is gone.

Sent you a PM

[Poyol]

You survived before it came along. And you will have to survive when it is gone.

Hear, hear.

I'm not here to attack you, John.
Just what you've said in my eyes is out of order.

[Beacon]

Which panto are Banners Broker putting on this year?

Raj Dixit and the 40 Thieves?

"Open Sesame" " "I said Open Sesame" " Hey Raj it isnt opening"
Raj: Thats because of a technical hitch. We are working on it be patient.

How about Cyclerella?
Ponzi in reboots?
Dix Ripoffman and his cash?
A lad in and his magic lump

[amathyst87]

As I say, it's hypocritical of me, I admit that, but even if I just left the account and never logged back in it would still continue to make money. No one wins if I do that, and yes it could be deemed selfish, but if I have £500 sat there, you better believe i'm going to withdraw it.

To say that makes me as bad as the the people actually peddling Banners Broker actively is, whilst unfair, your opinion and you're all entitled to it. I am going to continue reading this thread, it's been extremely eye opening and an enjoyable read. This post probably hasn't done me any favours either. I like money, and if someone is going to continue to give it to me for pressing a few buttons once a week, then i'm sorry but I will take it. If the money comes from people who are opening new accounts I won't be losing any sleep, I have not encouraged anyone to join, I would actively encourage people to NOT join and to run a mile as likelihood is the bubble will burst soon.

Again, definitely not going to make any friends now but I shall continue to enjoy the work put in by everyone here to uncover what's actually going on.

[Theseus]

As I say, it's hypocritical of me, I admit that, but even if I just left the account and never logged back in it would still continue to make money. No one wins if I do that, and yes it could be deemed selfish, but if I have £500 sat there, you better believe i'm going to withdraw it.

To say that makes me as bad as the the people actually peddling Banners Broker actively is, whilst unfair, your opinion and you're all entitled to it. I am going to continue reading this thread, it's been extremely eye opening and an enjoyable read. This post probably hasn't done me any favours either. I like money, and if someone is going to continue to give it to me for pressing a few buttons once a week, then i'm sorry but I will take it. If the money comes from people who are opening new accounts I won't be losing any sleep, I have not encouraged anyone to join, I would actively encourage people to NOT join and to run a mile as likelihood is the bubble will burst soon.

Again, definitely not going to make any friends now but I shall continue to enjoy the work put in by everyone here to uncover what's actually going on.


So you know where the money is coming from, and you know it's illegal, but you "like money", so you're going to continue to participate.

Here's a newsflash for you, we all like money, we just don't like stealing it from other people...

[AshKen1]

"Open Sesame" " "I said Open Sesame" " Hey Raj it isnt opening"
Raj: Thats because of a technical hitch. We are working on it be patient.

How about Cyclerella?
Ponzi in reboots?
Dix Ripoffman and his cash?
A lad in and his magic lump

Raj Dixit and the 7 Traffic Packs?

[Poyol]

I love money - I've not got a lot of it.
Yet, I'm still not trying to sign up to Banners Broker under another guise to earn money - only to capture the inner workings on the scheme.

Which you'll see in screenshots throughout this thread.

Jason

[Julie Diligent]

Nice work Julie, very Diligent!

Thanks. You know me: Diligent by name; diligent by nature. :RpS_wink:

Incidentally, there are a further 5 domain names on the 'Choice' server I've never reported; they don't have websites.

If the Guarinis plan to develop them like Townbeats/Buzinga... build their home-based business on the side... we might speculate what products they'll be peddling:


HungerWithoutCruelty.com - A new crash diet by the Samaritans?

ViralNewscast.com - Subscriptions to a new niche medical channel: 'Pox News'?

MagCrunch.com - A handy-dandy shredder-compactor for your trash reading matter?

BuildCoolSites.com - Plots of land for the Inuit?

DarkSinners.com - Ooer! Plain chocolate Illuminati figures?


Any other suggestions?

[amathyst87]

I love money - I've not got a lot of it.
Yet, I'm still not trying to sign up to Banners Broker under another guise to earn money - only to capture the inner workings on the scheme.

Which you'll see in screenshots throughout this thread.

Jason

I don't have a lot of it either, hence why I'm not really interested in turning it down. I've got my money back I put in, i'm happy with that, if more comes through then so be it, if it all implodes tomorrow, fine, I have my money back and haven't lost anything which is all that counts. I'd be just as happy either way. As I say, i've never had anyone sign up under my account, and i've never asked anyone to, do I feel guilty? No. No I do not.

[AshKen1]

Thanks. You know me: Diligent by name; diligent by nature. :RpS_wink:

Incidentally, there are a further 5 domain names on the 'Choice' server I've never reported; they don't have websites.

If the Guarinis plan to develop them like Townbeats/Buzinga... build their home-based business on the side... we might speculate what products they'll be peddling:


HungerWithoutCruelty.com - A new fad diet by the Samaritans?

ViralNewscast.com - Subscriptions to a new niche medical channel: 'Pox News'?

MagCrunch.com - A handy-dandy shredder-compactor for your trash reading matter?

BuildCoolSites.com - Plots of land for the Inuit?

DarkSinners.com - Ooer! Plain chocolate Illuminati figures?


Any other suggestions?

I can tell it's Friday afternoon....


:RpS_wink:

[BB Defender]

Here is my take on this:

AS I see it 10+2.50 = 12.50 per yellow
Everytime you SELL then note I put in $10 bought a yellow panel qualified it and sold it So that is 12.5 in the system
If you do this 12 times that is 150 in the system

Now I accept you say the system owes you 240 but the system wont be able to pay because you only put in 150. The system is 90 short. So wher dos the other 90 come from? Well it simply comes from the new stooges signing up!
AS yu move up the pyramid you may get more and more money you can withdraw. But greed will keep many people locked in.
Fortunately ther appears to be over 200,000 yellow stooges at 90 a go and their 18 million has been redistributed to the people higher upline who as you admit sold them the panels

Of course this can't go on forever. Eventually you will run out of downline contributers. But not before those on top freeze payments and divert all the 90 and other lower contributers into their own pockets.

Well Beacon, you are getting the gist of it, except I wouldn't have put in $150 dollars I would have used the return from the first sold yellow panel to buy the second then the third from the the reurns of the second....
so my initial input would have been very small as stated $10 + $2.50 for the impressions in the scenario.

Furthermore you explain that the $90 that bannersbroker pays out as profit on the twelve panels that were bought and sold comes from the new guys joining bannersbroker, yet there is no evidence from yourself that this is actually the case! its just your feelings that you are expressing.

If I bought an $12.50 usb stick from a wholesaler and sold it on ebay for $20 within a month, then repeated the same cycle 12 times as before wouldn't there be a profit on trading of $90. Would you say that the profit is being paid from some pyramid scheme? no you wouldn't because its clear to see sense in that business. Yet when the product is impressions because you cant see it, you cant touch it, you cant eat it, you feel its fraud. Yet you cant see minutes you buy from a mobile network, you cant touch those minutes, you cant eat those minutes and yet you spend plenty of money buying and using those minutes.

Impressions are a product used by advertisers and they pay good money to buy and use those impressions, google, facebook, youtube etc. are clear examples of how lucrative the sale of impressions are, yet when bannersbroker offer the opportunity for you to buy and sell impressions its a scam.

[Theseus]

If the Guarinis plan to develop them like Townbeats/Buzinga... build their home-based business on the side...

I've investigated a lot of scam retail sites and it's rare to see any as poor as Townbeats/Buzinga. Most scammers that are going down this route at least have the savvy to build something that passes for a genuine, legitimate retail site, you'd have to be incredibly gullible to be taken in by either of these.

The only conclusion I can draw is that the sites are either there purely so the likes of that muppet Alex on the Finchsells thread think the "Choice Network" actually exists, or the Guarinis are idiots.

My money is on the former.

[Theseus]

Well Beacon, you are getting the gist of it, except I wouldn't have put in $150 dollars I would have used the return from the first sold yellow panel to buy the second then the third from the the reurns of the second....
so my initial input would have been very small as stated $10 + $2.50 for the impressions in the scenario.

Furthermore you explain that the $90 that bannersbroker pays out as profit on the twelve panels that were bought and sold comes from the new guys joining bannersbroker, yet there is no evidence from yourself that this is actually the case! its just your feelings that you are expressing.

If I bought an $12.50 usb stick from a wholesaler and sold it on ebay for $20 within a month, then repeated the same cycle 12 times as before wouldn't there be a profit on trading of $90. Would you say that the profit is being paid from some pyramid scheme? no you wouldn't because its clear to see sense in that business. Yet when the product is impressions because you cant see it, you cant touch it, you cant eat it, you feel its fraud. Yet you cant see minutes you buy from a mobile network, you cant touch those minutes, you cant eat those minutes and yet you spend plenty of money buying and using those minutes.

Impressions are a product used by advertisers and they pay good money to buy and use those impressions, google, facebook, youtube etc. are clear examples of how lucrative the sale of impressions are, yet when bannersbroker offer the opportunity for you to buy and sell impressions its a scam.

For your Ebay scenario to be accurate you'd need to be buying your USB sticks at the full retail of $20 and then selling them by the million at twice the normal going rate.

[amathyst87]

Well Beacon, you are getting the gist of it, except I wouldn't have put in $150 dollars I would have used the return from the first sold yellow panel to buy the second then the third from the the reurns of the second....
so my initial input would have been very small as stated $10 + $2.50 for the impressions in the scenario.

Furthermore you explain that the $90 that bannersbroker pays out as profit on the twelve panels that were bought and sold comes from the new guys joining bannersbroker, yet there is no evidence from yourself that this is actually the case! its just your feelings that you are expressing.

If I bought an $12.50 usb stick from a wholesaler and sold it on ebay for $20 within a month, then repeated the same cycle 12 times as before wouldn't there be a profit on trading of $90. Would you say that the profit is being paid from some pyramid scheme? no you wouldn't because its clear to see sense in that business. Yet when the product is impressions because you cant see it, you cant touch it, you cant eat it, you feel its fraud. Yet you cant see minutes you buy from a mobile network, you cant touch those minutes, you cant eat those minutes and yet you spend plenty of money buying and using those minutes.

Impressions are a product used by advertisers and they pay good money to buy and use those impressions, google, facebook, youtube etc. are clear examples of how lucrative the sale of impressions are, yet when bannersbroker offer the opportunity for you to buy and sell impressions its a scam.

Bad analogy. You can hear those minutes, you know they're working, without having minutes, you can not make a call. I also really struggle to get behind this concept of selling impressions as Banners Broker claim to do. You can't force people onto specific sites to view the banners (if they actually do exist and are on legitimate websites). This happens organically, people visit sites, a banner pops up, they see it. Banners Broker claim to be able to send traffic to banners. It just doesn't work like that. If i've misunderstood what it is Banners Broker are doing then fair enough, but i'm prett sure they have said they work with a company that sends traffic to websites. You can send traffic to websites, sure, but it isn't real traffic, it isn't real people.

[hendyphilhendy]

I've investigated a lot of scam retail sites and it's rare to see any as poor as Townbeats/Buzinga. Most scammers that are going down this route at least have the savvy to build something that passes for a genuine, legitimate retail site, you'd have to be incredibly gullible to be taken in by either of these.

The only conclusion I can draw is that the sites are either there purely so the likes of that muppet Alex on the Finchsells thread think the "Choice Network" actually exists, or the Guarinis are idiots.

My money is on the former.

I had a look on that site and took it all the way to the checkout (no further, wouldn't dream of putting my card or paypal details in!). I did find it interesting that they allowed Paypal as a payment option and yet with BB they won't touch it with a bargepole.

[Theseus]

I had a look on that site and took it all the way to the checkout (no further, wouldn't dream of putting my card or paypal details in!). I did find it interesting that they allowed Paypal as a payment option and yet with BB they won't touch it with a bargepole.

As Julie mentioned earlier, the Paypal account resolves to the non-existent "8136655 Canada Limited". I suspect this may be an attempt at obtaining a PayPal account for Banners Broker by the back door.

[StevenHoward]

I don't have a lot of it either, hence why I'm not really interested in turning it down. I've got my money back I put in, i'm happy with that, if more comes through then so be it, if it all implodes tomorrow, fine, I have my money back and haven't lost anything which is all that counts. I'd be just as happy either way. As I say, i've never had anyone sign up under my account, and i've never asked anyone to, do I feel guilty? No. No I do not.


I can see where you're both coming from.

I've also "invested" in BB, and will shortly be in the position of being able to withdraw my initial investment, I'm not sure I'm going to though, they want far too much info for my liking, passport, driving licence, proof of address etc.

They've already got my credit card (now cancelled because I don't trust them).

I'm beginning to think it's probably best to lose my investment than to risk identity fraud. As I've already pointed out to someone else, we don't really know who's behind all of this.

If I eventually do pull my investment out, I'll leave the balance in and let it build, never take another penny, then if he can be found, sting Chris Smith with a small claims in the Canadian courts :- What is Small Claims Court? (http://www.cba.org/bc/public_media/small/165.aspx) (if a non Canadian is allowed to do this)

If my account gets closed, I'll try to do the same.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Impressions are a product used by advertisers and they pay good money to buy and use those impressions, google, facebook, youtube etc. are clear examples of how lucrative the sale of impressions are, yet when bannersbroker offer the opportunity for you to buy and sell impressions its a scam.

But there are no ads. Take another look at Finches latest update please.

Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/#comments)

[Brenda]

can anyone from admin team send me a pm, thanks

[hendyphilhendy]

Yet when the product is impressions because you cant see it, you cant touch it, you cant eat it, you feel its fraud. Yet you cant see minutes you buy from a mobile network, you cant touch those minutes, you cant eat those minutes and yet you spend plenty of money buying and using those minutes.

Impressions are a product used by advertisers and they pay good money to buy and use those impressions, google, facebook, youtube etc. are clear examples of how lucrative the sale of impressions are, yet when bannersbroker offer the opportunity for you to buy and sell impressions its a scam.

Another rubbish element to your analogy. With mobile minutes you get a report each month saying how many minutes you have used and how you have gone over them. You would know because you know how much phone usage you have. In some cases you will even get an itemised bill telling you exactly where those minutes were used.

This type of monitoring report is normally available for impressions through normal online advertising portals; however, Banners Broker only give you a report which details the impressions you have used for your campaign. For the 'rented ad space' you get nothing but a colour representation (panel) that dwindles down at unusual cycles. Even these are manually updated when the 'engine' is run. This should surely be a relatively basic automation process.

No one understands or knows why the panels are of different colours and values?

[Poyol]

No one understands or knows why the panels are of different colours and values?

I understand! It's to confuse potential investors - the more confusing the 'business' is the more likely it is that the investor won't understand it; ergo seeing through the holes in the business model.
And knowing what it really is.

Jason

[Brenda]

littleroundman, I've just responded. It seems my pm's aren't sending so we'll see if you get this one. Thanks

Nope, just checked, seems all my pm's are being stored ??

[amathyst87]

Before any more comments are made regarding my recent posts I want to apologise if anyone was offended. I hold a lot of stock in this forum and its good intentions and wouldn't want to have tarnished that.

[Poyol]

Before any more comments are made regarding my recent posts I want to apologise if anyone was offended. I hold a lot of stock in this forum and its good intentions and wouldn't want to have tarnished that.

I wouldn't worry - you have only 30 posts.
Not enough to tarnish this forum's reputation - I think.

Jason

[Whip]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I WANT MY MONEY BACK!

At least be honest about why you're here scammer.

[Whip]

As the resident Choice Network gumshoe, allow me...

There are 56 domain names registered to BB on the Choice Network server (IP: 69.162.83.34 (http://whois.domaintools.com/69.162.83.34)). I was able to identify 53 a few weeks ago, townbeats.com being one of them. However it didn't host a website, just a holding page, so I didn't post it in here.

So let's take a closer look at buzinga.ca, the site peddling the $299 Dr. Dre headphones:


Domain name: buzinga.ca
Domain status: registered
Creation date: 2012/03/12
Expiry date: 2014/03/12
Updated date: 2012/11/28
Registrar:
Name: SIBERNAME INTERNET AND SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGIES INC.
Number: 108



Hmmm... that's all; not the usual GoDaddy registrar and full registrant details. They've used Sibername and paid for privacy protection (smart move). Looks like a dead-end.

But wait! Let's have a little lookie-see at the similar domain name registered on the same day: buzinga.org (http://whois.domaintools.com/buzinga.org)...


Domain Name:BUZINGA.ORG
Created On:12-Mar-2012 20:25:49 UTC
Last Updated On:28-Nov-2012 18:21:34 UTC
Expiration Date:12-Mar-2014 20:25:49 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Sibername Internet and Software Technologies Inc. (R1388-LROR)
Registrant Name:Kelly Stinson
Registrant Organization:8136645 Canada Limited
Registrant Street1:637 Merlin Court
Registrant City:Oshawa
Registrant State/Province:Ontario
Registrant Postal Code:L1K1M3
Registrant Country:CA
Registrant Phone:+1.9059033600
Registrant Email: kellyguarini@yahoo.ca



...and then cross-check it on the Canadian corporations database...



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...and then scoot over to Google Maps to check out the address (https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&q=637+Merlin+Court,+Oshawa&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89d51cb136cc5629:0x261b391c2b3b8305,637+Me rlin+Ct,+Oshawa,+ON+L1K+1M5,+Canada&gl=uk&ei=QvPTUJvaOYSp0AX_2IGgCA&ved=0CDUQ8gEwAA)...



2373



...and then see who the occupant is...



2374



BINGO!

So on the basis of this evidence, it's reasonable to speculate that Townbeats/Buzinga is a discreet e-commerce project fronted by Kelly Stinson and operated from a house owned by Banners Broker Brand Ambassador Lorenzo Guarini. Their email address, kellyguarini@yahoo.ca, would suggest they are an item, if not man and wife. Perhaps they met and fell for each other while they were doing this money cycler (http://cidsbks.webs.com/25moneycycler.htm).

But there's more...

If you wander round the Buzinga site looking for the identity of the corporation you'll be handing over your hard-earned $299 to in the hope they'll send you your deeply discounted Dr. Dre cans, you'll be out of luck. You'll have to wait until you're part-way through your PayPal transaction to find you're doing business with the anonymous "8136655 Canada Limited".

Spot the difference, did you? Thought not. The sixth digit should actually be 4, not 5. No wonder I couldn't find it, initially, when I searched the Canada corporations database.

Deliberate obfuscation? You might like to speculate; I couldn't possibly comment.

Anyway, were you to go ahead and order your headphones only to find they're faulty, following the instructions on their Returns and Refunds Policy, you would have to return them to:


Buzinga
RMA ####
Attention: buzinga
5 Carlow Court
Whitby, Ontario


And we all know by now the significance of that much-talked-about address, don't we?

So what does all this mean? Why are they selling these products themselves? To see if they can make money legitimately, selling actual, not virtual, products?

Well it only makes sense. They'll need something to fall back on when BB goes tits up?

I didn't see any cart to where you could actually purchase them.

[Whip]

Nobody really cares if BB is a scam or not. The little guy just wants to play a little poker like the big boys do on Wall Street. The little guys don't get invited to play with the big crooks on Wall street, so BB is letting them have that chance. I say back off and let adults make their own decisions on how to spend their money. Legal or not, it's our money. If I choose to play poker you have no right to be my babysitter. Real Scam should focus it's attention on protecting children and leave the adults alone to play whatever hand they choose. We don't need another parent.

Apparently YOU care enough to come here and actually cry about what we do.
See....if you listened to us.....we WOULD be protecting a child.

[littleroundman]

littleroundman, I've just responded. It seems my pm's aren't sending so we'll see if you get this one. Thanks

Nope, just checked, seems all my pm's are being stored ??

Got it in seconds, Brenda

[Beacon]

Well Beacon, you are getting the gist of it, except I wouldn't have put in $150 dollars I would have used the return from the first sold yellow panel to buy the second then the third from the the reurns of the second....
so my initial input would have been very small as stated $10 + $2.50 for the impressions in the scenario.


Doesnt matter if you put in $1 a hundred and fifty times or $150 dollars once or $12.50 twelve times.
The total in for ten yellows is $150.

Doesent matter if you take it out $120 twice or $240 once or $20 twelve times it is still $240 out
the total out is $240. Minus in $150 is $90 dollars difference
and again it doesnt matter if that is $9 ten times or $7.50 twelve times it is still $90 from somewhere else



Furthermore you explain that the $90 that bannersbroker pays out as profit on the twelve panels that were bought and sold comes from the new guys joining bannersbroker, yet there is no evidence from yourself that this is actually the case! its just your feelings that you are expressing.


No it is Banners Broker who claim it comes form advertising ! and that is for them to prove! just as they will have to prove it to some regulatiory authority eventually.
the point I made is it comes from somewhere else
That only other money i have any evidence of is the money paid in by all these people waiting for "movement" and the refunds asked for by people which werent returned. It isnt just my feelings. It is real people on the radio on the internet and in the newspapers. real names not fake journalist names and not someone who hides behind "the BB team" or some other anonymous moniker!



If I bought an $12.50 usb stick from a wholesaler and sold it on ebay for $20 within a month, then repeated the same cycle 12 times as before wouldn't there be a profit on trading of $90. Would you say that the profit is being paid from some pyramid scheme?


i would say the $90 profit came from other people on ebay. The difference is they are external to ebay! The $20 they pay you is their own money for the goods you sell and not part of their ebay subscription. i.e. the money is not coming from inside the same syatem. A Ponzi sheme (or scam), named after Carlo Ponzi, is a scheme whereby the promoter pays off early investors with moneys received from later investors. If a scheme involves this element, it is a Ponzi scheme (or scam). ebay are not paying you with money paid by investors in ebay. The money is coming directly from ebay customers and everyone knows that. In a Ponzi scheme people are misled into thinking that the money is coming from somewhere external e.g. advertisments.



no you wouldn't because its clear to see sense in that business. Yet when the product is impressions because you cant see it, you cant touch it, you cant eat it, you feel its fraud.


What is the difference between
"no actual measurable evidence of a fire breathing dragon"
and
"no actual fire breathing Dragon"?



Yet you cant see minutes you buy from a mobile network, you cant touch those minutes, you cant eat those minutes and yet you spend plenty of money buying and using those minutes.


and when you do you can time each call after that and if you buy ten minutes you will find that ten minutes of call time later you will be cut off. You can actually measure those minutes. But we see no actual advertisment of the millions and millions of ads supposedly paid for. Not a single ONE!



Impressions are a product used by advertisers and they pay good money to buy and use those impressions, google, facebook, youtube etc. are clear examples of how lucrative the sale of impressions are, yet when bannersbroker offer the opportunity for you to buy and sell impressions its a scam.

All advertisers on facebook Google etc. are AUDITED by a statutory body. Returns are put in to the tax man an advertising regulator or a companies office. wher are the returns for Banners Broker? Where are the adverts? Billions of impressions. On what site are they?
And the evidence is also there in the early days of BB they announced it as a cycler/doubler. No impressions or ads were involved then.

[Brenda]

I don't know, it still says I have messages in storage??

I will go on record and say the Joe Duffy show was my handiwork, however there are other things that I'm not prepared to go public with. Love this forum and wish it the best and hope that you don't give up. Have to say though, I'm finding it a little difficult to progress with as a new member :(

SORRY THIS POST WAS FOR LITTLEROUNDMAN

[Whip]

Well Beacon, you are getting the gist of it, except I wouldn't have put in $150 dollars I would have used the return from the first sold yellow panel to buy the second then the third from the the reurns of the second....
so my initial input would have been very small as stated $10 + $2.50 for the impressions in the scenario.

Furthermore you explain that the $90 that bannersbroker pays out as profit on the twelve panels that were bought and sold comes from the new guys joining bannersbroker, yet there is no evidence from yourself that this is actually the case! its just your feelings that you are expressing.

If I bought an $12.50 usb stick from a wholesaler and sold it on ebay for $20 within a month, then repeated the same cycle 12 times as before wouldn't there be a profit on trading of $90. Would you say that the profit is being paid from some pyramid scheme? no you wouldn't because its clear to see sense in that business. Yet when the product is impressions because you cant see it, you cant touch it, you cant eat it, you feel its fraud. Yet you cant see minutes you buy from a mobile network, you cant touch those minutes, you cant eat those minutes and yet you spend plenty of money buying and using those minutes.

Impressions are a product used by advertisers and they pay good money to buy and use those impressions, google, facebook, youtube etc. are clear examples of how lucrative the sale of impressions are, yet when bannersbroker offer the opportunity for you to buy and sell impressions its a scam.

Nice try as you scammers always try. The person would be getting an actual product in the usb stick. banners broker has absolutely no product. Just as andy bowdoin who did the exact same thing with ASD.

[Whip]

I've investigated a lot of scam retail sites and it's rare to see any as poor as Townbeats/Buzinga. Most scammers that are going down this route at least have the savvy to build something that passes for a genuine, legitimate retail site, you'd have to be incredibly gullible to be taken in by either of these.

The only conclusion I can draw is that the sites are either there purely so the likes of that muppet Alex on the Finchsells thread think the "Choice Network" actually exists, or the Guarinis are idiots.

My money is on the former.

It's to 'fool' governments that this is a legit business. ASD did this exact same thing with a closed loop advertising scam trying to say it was legitimate. The US government bitch slapped it as they knew that no one outside of that 'advertising loop' would ever see the sites on it. So how was anyone outside of the scam going to buy anything and create revenue for the 'business'? It was all just click, click, click, get paid (hopefully). They had the same kind of rallys etc.

[buckyuk]

Mark Stokes (http://www.facebook.com/mstokes118)

> Latest Announcement By the CEO in INDIA **



3) Banner Broker Version 2.6 released with new features, security & plans for longevity of the company.


Why do they need to keep worrying about the longevity of the company?
The creators of banners broker have designed an outstanding algorythm that can double any amount of money you put in, and amount of times.

Surely that would ensure the longevity in its own?

hmmmmmmm BS

[Whip]

I understand! It's to confuse potential investors - the more confusing the 'business' is the more likely it is that the investor won't understand it; ergo seeing through the holes in the business model.
And knowing what it really is.

Jason

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121120202757/creepypasta/images/7/7c/Themoreyouknow.jpg?iact=rc&dur=4&sig=118427790430814136540&ei=VqnUUJPPJISB0QHh9oDIDQ&page=1&tbnh=139&tbnw=215&start=0&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:160&tx=98&ty=62

[Martin88]

It blows my mind how little the pro-BB crowd knows about basic economics, and particularly the law of competition.

To offer anything more than an industry standard return, you have to provide a service that is extraordinarily new or extraordinarily effective.

Banners Broker ticks neither box.

I could replicate their business model in 15 minutes and be more successful. How? By not handing over 90% of my profits to affiliates.

Think about it.

What does Banners Broker actually have that a competitor does not?

While the common answer is "a boat load of investors", this is actually a hindrance rather than a positive. A rival company can simply duplicate the business model and instead of giving away 90% of the profits to BB affiliates, he could give just 10 or 15% to a private investor (who can inject the exact same cash for a much lower margin). This gap in costs allows the competitor to offer a much better deal to all parties concerned - particularly advertisers. I am an advertiser. And trust me, we don't like paying double when we can go elsewhere for the same ads.

The whole premise that Banners Broker can buy up the web's banner inventory through volume of investment alone is nonsense. A rival company need only take the revolutionary step of NOT paying a bunch of freeloading affiliates an insane return, and suddenly Banners Broker is beaten out of the market because it can't compete with a streamlined business. Just like that.

The problem with being a company that offers a 300% return in a competitive space is that you are going to have rivals queueing up willing to take a 299% ROI, then a 298% ROI, and so on...

Eventually, the competition stabilises the market. And when that happens, you will be doing well to make 10% annually.

[Brenda]

Apparently YOU care enough to come here and actually cry about what we do.
See....if you listened to us.....we WOULD be protecting a child.

It frightens me to think that members of BB would come to a forum, a forum called REALSCAMS who is outlining in great detail, the problems with BB and those BB members think they are strong enough in their beliefs to debate the benefits of BB membership! If they have the neck to come here to do that, can you imagine how they are so easily able to recruit family / friends without conscience!

[Skyliner]

It frightens me to think that members of BB would come to a forum, a forum called REALSCAMS who is outlining in great detail, the problems with BB and those BB members think they are strong enough in their beliefs to debate the benefits of BB membership! If they have the neck to come here to do that, can you imagine how they are so easily able to recruit family / friends without conscience!

We welcome both sides here, it enables a good debate ensuring readers get both sides of the story.
After all it says at the top 'Is it or isn't it? You decide.'
That decision becomes clearer with their input!!!

[EagleOne]

Nobody really cares if BB is a scam or not. The little guy just wants to play a little poker like the big boys do on Wall Street. The little guys don't get invited to play with the big crooks on Wall street, so BB is letting them have that chance. I say back off and let adults make their own decisions on how to spend their money. Legal or not, it's our money. If I choose to play poker you have no right to be my babysitter. Real Scam should focus it's attention on protecting children and leave the adults alone to play whatever hand they choose. We don't need another parent.

I personally want to thank legalrep for publicly stating that BB is a Ponzi. All the BB shills and pimps claim BB is a genius business model and a successful business.

But if legalrep is an affiliate, you can bet legalrep's account has now been closed for speaking "ill" of BB. Don't you just love the irony!

[kiwi chick nz]

Thanks for that Hypanor, good valuable info that i will pass on to the relevant nz agencies.......I contacted nz's own scambusters who stated this scam from overseas so weren't that interested......they definitely will be now
Kiwi


Kiwi - another kiwi connection for you: Allan Mitchell of Tauranga

I stumbled across this sad video (posted on a UK affiliates facebook page, presumably Allans sponsor) - Cate and Allan BB Interview NZ Dec 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PtAAJhkyF4)

Poor Cate is a 60 year old solo mum, Allan donated a panel to her to get her started. Now 8 months and $290 of her own money later ("I used food money that I shouldn't have"), she has oodles of panels. She has also managed to recruit 15 of her friends (probably also seniors). They start talking numbers, she has 313 Yellow panels which gives her a return of $10 each every 3.5 weeks. A healthy income, I'm thinking.

But then they reveal that in 8 months, she has actually only taken $690 in cash out (still a good return for 8 months "clicking buttons for 10 minutes every 2 or 3 days"), the rest are just the numbers on the screen (surprise, surprise).

Allan almost got his account locked (they are watching you Allan) when he said she was "re-investing... well not investing blah..."

(Edit: Cate is obviously fairly gullible, she looks bewildered at Allans quip about the population exploding to 400,000 over summer. Anyone who knows the Mount, and lives there like Cate does, knows that's absurd. But the look on her face when he says it - almost like "he must be right, I better believe him")

A little bit about Allan:
2378
2379
2380

Searches show he's a bit of a dabbler in all sorts of independent distributor pies, including a minor comment on NZ's own scambusters forum - ScamBusters New Zealand • View topic - Snake Oil (MPG-Caps) on TradeMe... (http://scambusters.co.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4275&start=15)

What I was trying to find though, was if he is the same Allan Mitchell (manager for Erdic (NZ) Ltd) who got fined $100,000 in 2008:
Media Releases | Commerce Commission (http://www.comcom.govt.nz/media-releases/detail/2008/boguspillbusinessbustedforbreachof)

Closest I could find (as Erdic seems to have different ownership now) was this, but unfortunately the page doesn't actually exist anymore:
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Having the double-l in his name, and being in Tauranga, its a pretty safe bet to say he's got serious (and not so serious) past form...

[hendyphilhendy]

We welcome both sides here, it enables a good debate ensuring readers get both sides of the story.
After all it says at the top 'Is it or isn't it? You decide.'
That decision becomes clearer with their input!!!
I agree. Much more interesting to have a genuine debate on the issues. Differing opinions are always going to be the case.

We have to remember that many of these people genuinely believe there is a product. I know personally of several people in it that hold this belief.

The regulars in this thread naturally have a bias towards this being a Ponzi. I personally welcome genuine challengers to this belief.

Sadly, the few challengers there have been tend to resort to the old opinions that we are 'naysayers', 'negative', 'dreamstealers', 'don't understand' etc.

[StevenHoward]

Well, I'm a member of BB and am amazed at how gullible the majority of members are, they are totally blinkered (caused mainly by greed).

Take your rose tinted glasses off and look at this with wide open eyes AND, GET YOUR MONEY OUT ASAP, if you can.

You have little time left.

Thats my honest opinion, I'm 99% certain this is going to fold at sometime in the next 12 months, I'll be amazed if it's still around by mid 2013.

I reckon it will probably go in the next few weeks, but hey who knows.


I'd love to be proved wrong and find this is a "REAL" business with real advertising space being sold on the open market.







I agree. Much more interesting to have a genuine debate on the issues. Differing opinions are always going to be the case.

We have to remember that many of these people genuinely believe there is a product. I know personally of several people in it that hold this belief.

The regulars in this thread naturally have a bias towards this being a Ponzi. I personally welcome genuine challengers to this belief.

Sadly, the few challengers there have been tend to resort to the old opinions that we are 'naysayers', 'negative', 'dreamstealers', 'don't understand' etc.

[okosh]

I don't know, it still says I have messages in storage??


It's only $10 per day for storage.....That's Aussie dollars BTW.....
And if you late paying the bill we put them up for public auction :RpS_wink:

[Hypanor]

It's funny coming across this every now and then on random BB facebook pages!
Names removed so as not to tip other pages off!

I've noticed three or four names getting around consistently posting sarcastic or anti-BB comments...

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[littleroundman]

Problem solved.

Brendas' emails were in "tracking" as in: the "request a read response" box was checked.

[hendyphilhendy]

Problem solved.

Brendas' emails were in "tracking" as in: the "request a read response" box was checked.

Are you sure it wasn't server issues, or mysterious hacker's :-D

[okosh]

Problem solved.

Brendas' emails were in "tracking" as in: the "request a read response" box was checked.

Darn it....I was gonna invest the $10 per day storage into BB and make us both rich.....

[littleroundman]

Are you sure it wasn't server issues, or mysterious hacker's :-D

DAMN !!!!!

It's Andy Bowdoins' bloody Russian hackers at it again:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/spy-vs-spy.jpg

[Della Cate]

Hello everyone. I have been reading this forum with great interest for a few weeks now, and have finally decided to join you.

My interest in BB came about a few weeks ago when some freinds of mine told me that they were going to join a fab new "online money making venture". Unfortunatley, they couldn't really explain it to me properly, only that it was "very complicated" and involved advertising banners on the web. From the very start, I didn't like the sound of it because (1) I know the web is full of all sorts of strange schemes and they are not hugely computer savvy (not that I'm an expert!) and (2) from what they told me it all seemed very dodgy and I just didn't see how it could work. I said I would do a bit of digging on the internet to see if I could find out more. At that stage I was more curious than anything else.

The first site I came across was the "Finch Sells" article on BB, followed by your good selves. I passed links on to my friends, and as a result, to date, none of them have joined. Although the bloke who was trying to recruit them is very active in it, has his own website priaisng BB to the skies, and is still trying to get them to a recruitment meeting, presumably in the hope they might join up there.

We are all people aged 50 and over, and not idiots. I'm not being rude about my friends, but they are extremely innocent about things like this. Although they all have computers, they use them for narrow and specific purposes and don't wander round the web reading things like I do. I was alert to the possibility that this might be not all it seemed, but they weren't, and furthermore, someone they knew had presented it to them in glowing terms; so they were al ready to invest a bit of money. They were just the sort of people, im my opinion, who would get targeted to invest in something like this. Thankfully, they have not done so, although one of them still wonders if there might be mileage in it....

I am not a computer expert but for this, I did not need to be. I immediately had questions about BB that no-one could answer. Things like: Where are these banners placed? Who are the advertisers? Why would you go to BB when Google exists? Where is the proof of the value, in financial terms, of this company, because the only money I can see that is going into it is from its members? And for me the biggest red flags was the "traffic packs". If you had a genuine banner on a genuine site that people were really seeing and clicking on, why would you need to "buy" fake traffic to it? Surely this means you are paying yourself to generate false hits on "your" banner - surely this cannot be right? Or honest?And what is all this about "e-wallets" and only being able to withdraw half your profits at any one time? Why not all of it? And what the hell is an "e-wallet" anyway?

Nothing I have read since has convinced me that this scheme is 100% genuine and above board. I have read pro-BB postings and blogs, but I find the emphasis on "I'm making money so screw you losers who don't believe" distasteful. Harry Enfield's "Loadsamoney" is not dead, it seems. Some people have even said they don't care if it IS a scam, as long as they are making money out of it! Well, that's alright then. I have no doubt that some people will make money - those who got into it early enough. As for the rest, who knows? My friends referrer claims he has made $20,000 plus since he began, from a total investment of £1,200. But all he has managed to withdraw, in July, was $50! He won't take out more because he believes it will continue to grow, and anyway, BB advises people not to take any money out for the first year - yeah, I BET they do.

Well, that's enough for now. Thank you for all the digging you are all doing on this one!

[okosh]

Hello everyone. I have been reading this forum with great interest for a few weeks now, and have finally decided to join you.

My interest in BB came about a few weeks ago when some freinds of mine told me that they were going to join a fab new "online money making venture". Unfortunatley, they couldn't really explain it to me properly, only that it was "very complicated" and involved advertising banners on the web. From the very start, I didn't like the sound of it because (1) I know the web is full of all sorts of strange schemes and they are not hugely computer savvy (not that I'm an expert!) and (2) from what they told me it all seemed very dodgy and I just didn't see how it could work. I said I would do a bit of digging on the internet to see if I could find out more. At that stage I was more curious than anything else.

The first site I came across was the "Finch Sells" article on BB, followed by your good selves. I passed links on to my friends, and as a result, to date, none of them have joined. Although the bloke who was trying to recruit them is very active in it, has his own website priaisng BB to the skies, and is still trying to get them to a recruitment meeting, presumably in the hope they might join up there.

We are all people aged 50 and over, and not idiots. I'm not being rude about my friends, but they are extremely innocent about things like this. Although they all have computers, they use them for narrow and specific purposes and don't wander round the web reading things like I do. I was alert to the possibility that this might be not all it seemed, but they weren't, and furthermore, someone they knew had presented it to them in glowing terms; so they were al ready to invest a bit of money. They were just the sort of people, im my opinion, who would get targeted to invest in something like this. Thankfully, they have not done so, although one of them still wonders if there might be mileage in it....

I am not a computer expert but for this, I did not need to be. I immediately had questions about BB that no-one could answer. Things like: Where are these banners placed? Who are the advertisers? Why would you go to BB when Google exists? Where is the proof of the value, in financial terms, of this company, because the only money I can see that is going into it is from its members? And for me the biggest red flags was the "traffic packs". If you had a genuine banner on a genuine site that people were really seeing and clicking on, why would you need to "buy" fake traffic to it? Surely this means you are paying yourself to generate false hits on "your" banner - surely this cannot be right? Or honest?And what is all this about "e-wallets" and only being able to withdraw half your profits at any one time? Why not all of it? And what the hell is an "e-wallet" anyway?

Nothing I have read since has convinced me that this scheme is 100% genuine and above board. I have read pro-BB postings and blogs, but I find the emphasis on "I'm making money so screw you losers who don't believe" distasteful. Harry Enfield's "Loadsamoney" is not dead, it seems. Some people have even said they don't care if it IS a scam, as long as they are making money out of it! Well, that's alright then. I have no doubt that some people will make money - those who got into it early enough. As for the rest, who knows? My friends referrer claims he has made $20,000 plus since he began, from a total investment of £1,200. But all he has managed to withdraw, in July, was $50! He won't take out more because he believes it will continue to grow, and anyway, BB advises people not to take any money out for the first year - yeah, I BET they do.

Well, that's enough for now. Thank you for all the digging you are all doing on this one!

Welcome to realscam:RpS_smile:

[Hypanor]

Live updates

Sweden and Iceland now have a new IC welcome page.

Organic Traffic -- we now have the first one that is product (Singular) oriented. Buzinga - good prices and discounts. You can take advantage of amazing offers (on what are most likely knock-off Dr Dre Beats. Even the originals are the crappiest known to mankind!) .. organic traffic for promoting **** their products through your choice network

PANELS -- panels are moving. Back office has not been updated, but I will get on to IT and make sure your panels get updated by end of this week. (Good on you Chris, get on to it like any normal CEO of a $100M+ company would. Don't you have a head of IT?)

Holiday - offices are closed. Support is closed. Support may be available in your local country. Stellarpoint in Canada will be closed until January 2nd.

[Hypanor]

And this

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[BB Defender]

Surprise surprise -- an automated answer machine answered saying 'Due to a high number of calls we are unable to take your call, please hold.' No holding music -- it just kept ringing, and ringing - then disconnected me.


Well that's clearly empirical evidence that BB is a ponzi scheme!, well done Poyol :scared_1:

[BB Defender]

For your Ebay scenario to be accurate you'd need to be buying your USB sticks at the full retail of $20 and then selling them by the million at twice the normal going rate.

We can all make exaggerated statements that baffle the mind, please clarify what point you are making in simple terms so that we can all understand what you actually mean.

[littleroundman]

We are all people aged 50 and over, and not idiots. I'm not being rude about my friends, but they are extremely innocent about things like this. Although they all have computers, they use them for narrow and specific purposes and don't wander round the web reading things like I do

Hiya, Della Cate, and welcome to REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com)

Unfortunately, relative newcomers to the 'net are considered prime targets by the criminals behind HYIP ponzi scams.

It's probably one of the hardest to believe facts for your "over 50" friends who are generally from a time when an average citizen would be unlucky to encounter one such criminal in a lifetime.

They tend to also be the hardest hit when the reality they've been stung sinks in and also the least likely to report to the authorities, usually out of pure embarrassment.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/aarp.jpg

AARP Foundation National Fraud Victim Study (http://fraudresearchcenter.org/2012/03/aarp-foundation-national-fraud-victim-study/)

[littleroundman]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7649/supportpurge.jpg

Just a suggestion, Banners Broker person.

Instead of deleting all the queries from members, why don't you do what real businesses do and fix bloody problems instead of burying your head in the sand and pretending everything is OK ???

Imagine what would happen if a bank or a real advertising company simply deleted all the complaints instead of dealing with them.

You wouldn't see any new customers for dust.

[Hypanor]

I wonder how long Paypal will be an option on Buzinga after they have been alerted to the link between the site and Banners Broker? Time starts... now!

[JordanBright]

Hey guys, I have a question to you, as of right now allied wallet just informed me that my CREDIT CARD info have been transferred to banners broker when I used it, I have two things to ask -

1) how the hell did this happen, allied wallet has an ewallet system, does that not mean that they load the money from your credit card to their site and then they pass it on to banners broker, I rembmer clearly I said load ewallet, then how the hell does banners broker have my card info? does anyone know how can this happen?

2) after I started reading and posting here I asked allied wallet to remove my credit card info from their site, after two weeks of ASKING again and again to remove the card info they just closed the account, it was ok until today I asked them to look in the account and they can still look in the info and stuff, what the hell? so my credit card is still there, what can I do?

oh and another thing, just got my money "back" from banners broker, well I waited a long time but it's out of there and guess what account does they use to pay in payza.. "paybannersbroker@gmail.com" not even their own email.

[BB Defender]

Bad analogy. You can hear those minutes, you know they're working, without having minutes, you can not make a call. I also really struggle to get behind this concept of selling impressions as Banners Broker claim to do. You can't force people onto specific sites to view the banners (if they actually do exist and are on legitimate websites). This happens organically, people visit sites, a banner pops up, they see it. Banners Broker claim to be able to send traffic to banners. It just doesn't work like that. If i've misunderstood what it is Banners Broker are doing then fair enough, but i'm prett sure they have said they work with a company that sends traffic to websites. You can send traffic to websites, sure, but it isn't real traffic, it isn't real people.

Its not really a bad analogy amathyst, you can also witness an impression and be the source of an impression, just go to google and type in "dishwasher" or "kettle" or any other commodity, the first things you see on the results page are adverts from retailers of these commodities. By viewing these adverts you have provided google with an impression/s which they have sold in advance to those advertisers. Google have therefore supplied a service/good/impression to their customers and have a legitimate claim to be payed by the advertiser.

When bannersbroker say they drive traffic to your website it means they have the ability to buy traffic/impressions from the blind network (see link for definition Advertising network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advertising_network)) and have your banner ad seen by that traffic visiting the blind network. If your ad is seen then there is a likely chance that your ad will be clicked on and people will visit your website.

Also you have overlooked the possibility that today's web technology means that your ad can be served on any one of many banners within an ad network. The ad can move about from site to site depending on the where traffic is available this is the job of the brokers that control the network.

Furthermore there is even newer web technology called RTB real time bidding that allows advertisers to bid for a specific impression at the time the impression is being served. I think google may have invented this, just google this up and it will open your eyes to how advanced the online advertising industry has become. Gone are the days of fixed banner ads on websites waiting for that websites organic traffic to come and see it, its now all about targeting the right ad to the right people, its so much more lucrative.

[BB Defender]

Hey guys, I have a question to you, as of right now allied wallet just informed me that my CREDIT CARD info have been transferred to banners broker when I used it, I have two things to ask -

1) how the hell did this happen, allied wallet has an ewallet system, does that not mean that they load the money from your credit card to their site and then they pass it on to banners broker, I rembmer clearly I said load ewallet, then how the hell does banners broker have my card info? does anyone know how can this happen?

2) after I started reading and posting here I asked allied wallet to remove my credit card info from their site, after two weeks of ASKING again and again to remove the card info they just closed the account, it was ok until today I asked them to look in the account and they can still look in the info and stuff, what the hell? so my credit card is still there, what can I do?

oh and another thing, just got my money "back" from banners broker, well I waited a long time but it's out of there and guess what account does they use to pay in payza.. "paybannersbroker@gmail.com" not even their own email.


Hey Jordan if your that worried you can just ask your credit card provider to cancel the card and send you a new one, end of story!

[JordanBright]

Hey Jordan if your that worried you can just ask your credit card provider to cancel the card and send you a new one, end of story!

but why, Allied wallet gave the card info without me knowing about it, why should I be the one to do all the work about it? I want to know if it's normal that a company that has an Ewallet pass the card info to the company, ewallet is something that means that you DON'T need to pass the credit card info, you just need to load it up in Allied wallet and then just use the money you have on there, nothing more and nothing from the credit card.

[AshKen1]

Hello everyone. I have been reading this forum with great interest for a few weeks now, and have finally decided to join you. ..... Well, that's enough for now. Thank you for all the digging you are all doing on this one!

Hi and welcome to realscam :) I hope you like what you find here.

I just wanted to refer to the comments about your friends being in a certain age group. Although they may well only use the internet to look for certain things, don't forget that they have been targeted by someone who will know their personal circumstances. I've said it before this is not stranger danger we are talking about, it is friends/relatives trying to persuade people to join. If they don't succeed at first, then you get the invites to the meetings where the groups euphoria/peer pressure and slick salesmanship (allegedly) gets people sucked in. Think about it: if your mate says there's a really good restaurant opened with great food and fab service, you think to yourself 'wow, I must try that'. The opposite would also be true: I've yet to visit a restaurant that someone gave me a bad review for.

Thank goodness for your curiousity in finding the sites that debunk the BB salespitch. In the long run, your friends will be thankful to you!

[AshKen1]

but why, Allied wallet gave the card info without me knowing about it, why should I be the one to do all the work about it? I want to know if it's normal that a company that has an Ewallet pass the card info to the company, ewallet is something that means that you DON'T need to pass the credit card info, you just need to load it up in Allied wallet and then just use the money you have on there, nothing more and nothing from the credit card.

If you are worried, you may wish to have a chat with your card provider and ask for their advice as to what you should do. You don't want your card to be charged without your knowledge, so if that means they issue you a new card so be it. Also think about whether you need to do a credit check on yourself (think Experian and so on) to make sure that nothing else pops up (new card sir??). Again take advice about ID theft.

As to why, I can't answer as I don't know AW's policy. Better to be safe than sorry.

[Joe_Shmoe]

but why, Allied wallet gave the card info without me knowing about it, why should I be the one to do all the work about it? I want to know if it's normal that a company that has an Ewallet pass the card info to the company, ewallet is something that means that you DON'T need to pass the credit card info, you just need to load it up in Allied wallet and then just use the money you have on there, nothing more and nothing from the credit card.

I would trust Allied Wallet as far as I can throw them (that's not very far):RpS_smile:

http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/allied-wallet-bournemouth-england-dorset-c296327.html (http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/allied-wallet-bournemouth-england-dorset-c296327.html)

For your own good do the work and cancel that card.

[Della Cate]

Hi and welcome to realscam :) I hope you like what you find here.

I just wanted to refer to the comments about your friends being in a certain age group. Although they may well only use the internet to look for certain things, don't forget that they have been targeted by someone who will know their personal circumstances. I've said it before this is not stranger danger we are talking about, it is friends/relatives trying to persuade people to join. If they don't succeed at first, then you get the invites to the meetings where the groups euphoria/peer pressure and slick salesmanship (allegedly) gets people sucked in. Think about it: if your mate says there's a really good restaurant opened with great food and fab service, you think to yourself 'wow, I must try that'. The opposite would also be true: I've yet to visit a restaurant that someone gave me a bad review for.

Thank goodness for your curiousity in finding the sites that debunk the BB salespitch. In the long run, your friends will be thankful to you!

Thank you for this, and to others who have welcomed me here.

I think you are quite right about my friends being targeted. In everyday life, they are quite astute self employed people....but by their own admission, the internet is all a bit of a mystery to them. The person who wanted them to join is the lodger of two of them [a married couple] and he has tried to get them into ventures before, one being something called "cashbackcard" (I think it was). He seems to me to often have something like this on the go. To be fair to him, he seems to genuinely believe in BB and to think that he is offering them a genuine opportunity. He has a website where he sings its praises to the heavens, and has even had his own BB business cards printed!

I have already cautioned them about meetings and the power of groupthink. When everyone around you is cheering and saying something is great, and all signing up for it, it's very hard for most people to resist going along with it. When everyone round you is doing or saying the same, that's the reality you are in and it's hard not to go along with the herd. I'd love to go to a future meeting with them, just to see - and keep an eye on things! - but we live in different parts of the country so it's not that easy for me.

But I'm keeping on monitoring BB to see how it all plays out. Somehow, I don't think it will end well.

[Della Cate]

Can someone please explain these "traffic packs" to me - in simple terms? What exacty are the, and just why are they necessary? Or why does BB say they are necessary?

I'd like to be clear.

[Della Cate]

What also fascinates me is the psychobabble that some of the pro-BB crowd come out with.

"Only shooting stars break the mould"
and
"I feel there is a certainty of destination"

are two examples that I've seen on websites. But what the hell does it mean???

Finch, on his excellent site, has likened BB to a cult. I think he has a fair point. The BBers often slag off anyone who does not go along with their world view, calling them "losers" and "negative scammers", and seem to take the view that they are on the winning team just because they are making loadsamoney!!

Well....loads of virtual money. I think people are blinded by big numbers on a website, which they see as their earnings.........but until you have the money in your hand, it's all pie in the sky!

[AshKen1]

"Only shooting stars break the mould"

Had to nip over to wiki as I just knew they'd have a great definition for this

"Shooting star is a common name for the visible path of a meteoroid as it enters the atmosphere to become a meteor. As it enters the atmosphere the meteor burns up into flames."

Basically shooting star = crash and burn. Says it all doesn't it?

Finch is right, it is very cult like. I wonder if anyone out there does de-briefs for ex-members of ponzi schemes. Sounds like it's needed.