Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

[Poyol]

The next step in education is to inform the meeting places.
If anyone has time to phone; I will collate a list.

It's be best to speak to the hotel manager about this - give them a link to the Sunday World article etc.

Village Hotel Hyde
0871 222 4586

For starters.

Jason

[Hypanor]

There was something odd about this address below when I found it, knowing where it is. What a coincidence that they happened to choose a business, whose Australian office is only 1.5km off one of my usual bike paths!! Life is strange...


...But thanks to your post, I found this address on this (http://earn4advertising.com/?p=70) website:

Australia Office
officebroker.com – Asia Pacific
Suite F5
...

Doing a bit more research, earn4advertising.com was only created, anonymously, less than 2 weeks ago:
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Its an obvious Banners Broker recruitment site, linked to an affiliate by the name of Aporna Bhowmik (click on any of the sign-up links).
The page mentioned above shows a list of international addresses as Theseus posted (repeated below), but they are for a long established company called Officebrokers.
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Now what's really funny, is that although the site is loaded with your typical BB adverts, there are also apparent 'real' adverts, for people like the University of Adelaide, and Maserati. And adverts delivered by Google, lol!

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This doesn't really mean anything, other than to show how incompetent they are in trying to fool people.

BTW, I've let Officebrokers.com know they are being used in this way, and have sent them some lovely hi-res screenshots for proof...!

The website is well worth a read, there is some fascinating language on there - not sure what language, but here's a wee sample from p=59 (http://earn4advertising.com/?p=59):

Google could possibly be the king concerning available on the web advertising allowing you to have revenues on the excess having to do with $30 billion a year. Google’s AdWords would be the fact on going to be the advertising aspect relating to going to be the equation and allows advertisers to learn more about display their advertisements in the Google articles or blog posts network,from top to bottom either a multi function cost per click or at least cost-per-view arrangement,everywhere in the search engine result pages. The twin products or services Google AdSense,all over the the publisher aspect allows website owners to learn more about display contextually sensitive ads throughout the their website, and earn money every a period of time going to be the ads are made itself known yet.

[Whip]

If this is their UK company, here is their VAT information:

BANNERSBROKER UK LTD.
BOTANICAL HOUSE
15 GUYS CLIFFE ROAD
LEAMINGTON SPA
WARWICKSHIRE
CV32 5BZ
Company No. 07780124

Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 20/09/2011

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC):
None Supplied

Accounting Reference Date: 30/09
Last Accounts Made Up To: (NO ACCOUNTS FILED)
Next Accounts Due: 20/06/2013
Last Return Made Up To:
Next Return Due: 18/10/2012 OVERDUE

Previous Names: ONLINEINCOME LIMITED Date of change: 07/12/2011

The problem with BB is that you never know what they are going to claim next. The 1019 Nelson Street Address was on their website as the headquarters of BB. Raj even confirmed this in a post he made on a forum when someone was questioning the address.

Then when I posted the link of a picture of the 1019 Nelson Street address, the shills and pimps claimed this was not their corporate headquarters address but they gave a different address. Now what was really interesting is that the 1019 Nelson Street address was still shown on their website while they were claiming it was not their headquarters building. The UK office and the Irleand office were also shown on the website at one address, but when information was posted about the addresses, they claimed they were actually in a different location.

Now they claim this is their new Corporate address: Stellar Point Inc., 5 Carlow Court, Whitby, ON L1N9T7, and is what is shown on the website. Now what is really weird is that this is a factory/wharehouse type of building, not what you would expect a multi-million dollar advertising company would have as their corporate headquarters. You think it would be in a glass high-rise in the center of Ontario.

You can bet as soon as the pictures of this 5 Carlow Ct address is posted, they will be screaming and hollering this is not the headquarters building.

Seems that blows the 'we've been in business 2 years' lie out of the water.

[Poyol]

The website is well worth a read, there is some fascinating language on there - not sure what language, but here's a wee sample from p=59 (http://earn4advertising.com/?p=59):

Google could possibly be the king concerning available on the web advertising allowing you to have revenues on the excess having to do with $30 billion a year. Google’s AdWords would be the fact on going to be the advertising aspect relating to going to be the equation and allows advertisers to learn more about display their advertisements in the Google articles or blog posts network,from top to bottom either a multi function cost per click or at least cost-per-view arrangement,everywhere in the search engine result pages. The twin products or services Google AdSense,all over the the publisher aspect allows website owners to learn more about display contextually sensitive ads throughout the their website, and earn money every a period of time going to be the ads are made itself known yet.

I know what language that is.
It'd wouldn't be polite to state it here though.

Jason

[Poyol]

Seems that blows the 'we've been in business 2 years' lie out of the water.

Whip, that's only the UK arm of the business.


Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (Domain Names | The World's Largest Domain Name Registrar - Go Daddy (http://www.godaddy.com))
Domain Name: BANNERSBROKER.COM
Created on: 15-Oct-10
Expires on: 15-Oct-17
Last Updated on: 13-Sep-12

Banners Broker domain was created on 15th Oct 2010 - so I'm assuming they've been in business since then.


You also see that Banners Broker website doesn't allow Wayback Machine views!

Jason

[Hypanor]

Looks like they've found a new way to fleece people...

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Where was this posted? Surely that can't be serious!!

[Poyol]

Friday Webinar Updates - December 07, 2012.

- New ID Approvers were hired
- New Funding Log Tab under Ewallet. Affiliates can now see purchases, repurchases, and funding.
- Canada added to Whitelist - for Allied Wallet Credit Card processing
- UseMyServices - UMS limits: 1st: $990; 2nd: $2450/day, $7350/week USD
- UseMyServices - UMS back on track

"If this is your first transaction with UMS, you must not fund more than $990 USD. For second and subsequent times you may send a MAXIMUM of $2450 USD per day and a MAXIMUM of $7350 USD per week. There is a ZERO tolerance policy in place because large declined transactions puts our account in jeopardy. If you attempt to send more than these maximums your BB account will be closed and your package purchase will be refunded. There will be no warning."

Payouts
To be paid by Dec 20 for Christmas
STP deadline Dec 5
BB Card deadline Dec 14

USA Payout - week of Dec 10 - 14 - for verified bank accounts in our system
USA Payout - week of Dec 17 - 21 - for non-verified bank accounts in our system

India - Bank - direct bank deposit

Payza Payouts - Monday Dec 10

India World Tour - Feb 8/9/10




http://www.youtube.com/embed/5cEZSDBf6Kc

[Whip]

Whip, that's only the UK arm of the business.


Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (Domain Names | The World's Largest Domain Name Registrar - Go Daddy (http://www.godaddy.com))
Domain Name: BANNERSBROKER.COM
Created on: 15-Oct-10
Expires on: 15-Oct-17
Last Updated on: 13-Sep-12

Banners Broker domain was created on 15th Oct 2010 - so I'm assuming they've been in business since then.


You also see that Banners Broker website doesn't allow Wayback Machine views!

Jason

Ah. I see.
Didn't know wayback views can be restricted.

[Poyol]

Ah. I see.
Didn't know wayback views can be restricted.

ROBOTS.TXT can stop search engine spiders/archivers from caching a webpage.


User-agent: *
Disallow: /

Jason

[Julie Diligent]

Came across this....

[SNIP]

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Obviously not the Banners Broker/Stellar Point HQ, so who lives here?

DYZ Media (http://www.dyzmedia.com)'s Content Coordinator Emma Farquharson lives there... at least judging by her tweeted "view from my office" comment and accompanying photo (http://instagram.com/p/ikVza/). The photo's point of view tracks to that apartment block.

https://twitter.com/emmafarq/status/160023562911105024

By the way, Ms F has won the Stellar Point (http://stellarpoint.ca) Employee of the Month award for October 2012 (http://instagram.com/p/S8PVaLqQJP/).

https://twitter.com/emmafarq/status/277080168730873858

Well done Emma!

[Poyol]

Want to see inside 1019 Nelson Street Oshawa?

1019 Nelson St, Oshawa, ON L1H7N9 :: The Mulholland Ross Real Estate Team (http://www.realestatetoronto.com/homes/1019-Nelson-St/Oshawa/ON/L1H7N9/26946324/)

[samuel.r]

The next step in education is to inform the meeting places.
If anyone has time to phone; I will collate a list.

It's be best to speak to the hotel manager about this - give them a link to the Sunday World article etc.

Village Hotel Hyde
0871 222 4586

For starters.

Jason

Jason have you thought about assembling a list of businesses that have either supported or enabled Banners Broker, despite being warned?

For example, MasterCard would be at the top of this list. When the eventual implosion happens it would be good to have for the lawyers to focus on as adjunct fund recovery for victims.

[Poyol]

Jason have you thought about assembling a list of businesses that have either supported or enabled Banners Broker, despite being warned?

For example, MasterCard would be at the top of this list. When the eventual implosion happens it would be good to have for the lawyers to focus on as adjunct fund recovery for victims.

I've thought about it.
I'm supposedly trying to get other things in motion too.

Finding the time is difficult though.

Jason

I have a few names put together:

Mastercard
Citywest Hotel (I've warned them twice)
STP/Payza
Serverloft

[littleroundman]

Piece by piece by piece, a picture forms:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/2stellar.gif

Corporations Canada website (https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/scr/cc/CorporationsCanada/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=7250037&V_TOKEN=1353670012522&crpNm=bannersbroker&crpNmbr=&bsNmbr=)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/stellaraddre.jpg

StellarPoint Canada (http://stellarpoint.ca/contact.html)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/steemma.jpg

StellarPoint Employee of the Month, Emma Farquharsons' page on Twitter (https://twitter.com/emmafarq)

[hendyphilhendy]

There seems to be a pattern forming of a shift away from the name Banners Broker?

i.e. uk is now AdvertsGalore
canada is now Stellar Point inc.

Are they possibly looking at a slow rebrand as the Banners Broker name is now becoming too easily linked as a scam on Google etc?

[Poyol]

There seems to be a pattern forming of a shift away from the name Banners Broker?

i.e. uk is now AdvertsGalore
canada is now Stellar Point inc.

Are they possibly looking at a slow rebrand as the Banners Broker name is now becoming too easily linked as a scam on Google etc?

Exactly - I thought they were going to change their name to Adverts Galore a while ago.
Seems like they didn't.

Jason

[noname999]

I've thought about it.
I'm supposedly trying to get other things in motion too.

Finding the time is difficult though.

Jason

I have a few names put together:

Mastercard
Citywest Hotel (I've warned them twice)
STP/Payza
Serverloft

Tread carefully Jason. Unlike BB, the likes of MC are a real business. They will defend their good name. Just don't want to see you getting into hot water.:RpS_smile:

[Poyol]

Tread carefully Jason. Unlike BB, the likes of MC are a real business. They will defend their good name. Just don't want to see you getting into hot water.:RpS_smile:

They can defend their good name.
Anything I state will not be a lie.
Mastercard are still supplying One Choice Bank/Vector Card Services/Banners Broker with Prepaid services though they have been warned by countless people as to what Banners Broker is.
I am not saying they are involved in a scam - they're certainly not - just stating that the card should've been disowned by MC.

CityWest Hotel are a real business too - yet emails I have sent to their team have been ignored - and if not ignored I haven't been replied to.

Serverloft has advised me to send an email to abuse@serverloft.com - I have done this - they receive quite a few emails each day I'd imagine, so don't have time to reply to all.

Allied Wallet transcript was posted a while ago - stating they know exactly what Banners Broker are.

Jason

[noname999]

Payza transcript was posted a while ago - stating they know exactly what Banners Broker are.

Jason

Really, do you know where that post is?

[Poyol]

Sorry, Noname.

I meant to say Allied Wallet: http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index62.html#post31972

[oldscotsgit]

I have been following this thread as a casual observer since July this year. Whilst I was on holiday in Brighton in June I was invited to join BB. I asked for more info and was given a 24 page tutorial with similar content to the webinar given by Ian Driscoll. It gave full details of how to manage my BB account with complete details of subscriptions, banner packages, traffic packs, affiliate recruiting, macros, full costings & complementary traffic packs, etc etc.
Wow! It sounded too good to be to true and I thought it must be a scam, however, I persevered with the paperwork and did the maths based on both green & red packages and realised that the whole scheme was financed by members subscriptions, traffic packs and new members coming into the scheme. There was no need for revenue from banner advertising Members are encouraged to buy traffic “hits” for their own banners being shown on an unknown or blind website?
How does that work.?.

With 250,000 affilates the $15 monthly subs will raise $45m per year.
With one $50 traffic pack and $15 subs per month, it will raise $195m per year.
With one $100 subs and three $50 traffic packs per month, it will raise $750m per year.
So the BB income from existing members will be somewhere between $195m and 750m per year. No banner advertising is needed to keep the scheme running until payouts exceed new members “investments”
This is definitely a ponzi scheme.
Get your initial investment OUT now and play with the rest of your virtual money until the scheme collapses.
Julson, Smith, Dixit and the UK clones have already planned their exit strategy, I feel sorry for the rest of the suckers.

[noname999]

I think that may be a bit of a stretch J

[Hypanor]

Piece by piece by piece, a picture forms:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/2stellar.gif

Corporations Canada website (https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/scr/cc/CorporationsCanada/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=7250037&V_TOKEN=1353670012522&crpNm=bannersbroker&crpNmbr=&bsNmbr=)

A quick search of 7250037 Canada Inc turns up an address of 14380 Montrose Rd, Welland Ontario from this website 7250037 Canada Inc. (http://canadiancompanies.landoffree.com/company/7250037_Canada_Inc).

A quick search of that address only seems to come up with a business called European Auto Centre, and this definitely 14380 Montrose (https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=14380+Montrose+Road,+Welland,+ON,+Canada&hl=en&ll=42.972345,-79.11845&spn=0.000031,0.01929&sll=-31.968884,115.931338&sspn=1.759156,2.469177&oq=14380+montrose+road,+welland&hnear=14380+Montrose+Rd,+Welland,+Ontario+L3B+5N7, +Canada&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=42.972563,-79.122549&panoid=R0PGanfiPKxrMkrXeiCuqQ&cbp=12,56.35,,1,4.57)

Is that website correct? The Ontario business registration charges a fee so can't see when European Auto Centre was registered and where (if it was). If it's correct, was it 7250037 Canada Inc's real address, or a dummy for the registration? If real, then whose house is this?

Also, was it ever determined if this is the same Chris Smith (http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/en/Proceedings_rad_20090205_imagin.htm)?

[33] With respect to Smith:


(a) It is hereby ordered, pursuant to section 127 of the Act, that:


i. The Settlement Agreement dated January 15, 2009, between Staff of the Commission and Christopher Smith is approved;

ii. The Respondent is prohibited for five years from becoming or acting as a director or officer of any issuer, registrant or investment fund manager commencing on the date of this order; and,

iii. The Respondent is prohibited for five years from becoming or acting as a registrant commencing on the date of this order.

[buckyuk]

Oldscotsgit... The $15 per month admin fees are taken from the accounts current balance, its not real money getting injected into the scheme every month.

[Poyol]

Banners Broker Scam | Jason Clark Investigates (http://www.jasonclarkinvestigates.wordpress.com/banners-broker-scam)

Jason

[GlimDropper]

Also, was it ever determined if this is the same Chris Smith (http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/en/Proceedings_rad_20090205_imagin.htm)?



It doesn't look like the same person. Here is the Linkedin profile (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-smith/17/219/b16) for the Chris Smith who worked at Imagin which includes a small photo.

[noname999]

I see the shills are now talking about some new structural change that is going to make BB legit.

Firstly, would like to point out that this is more or less admitting that up to now it wasn't legit.
Secondly, they are using that old chesnut that they can't say what the change is yet.

So to recap. Nothing has changed, and BB is still not legit.

Unless I am missing something??

[noname999]

This is the latest trash doing the rounds. It supposedly explains how BB is legit. I actually don't have the time or inclination to read through it. No doubt its the same regurgitation that we have had before.

Banners Broker Debunking The Myth (http://www.the-laws-of-success.com/banners-broker.html)

[AshKen1]

This is the latest trash doing the rounds. It supposedly explains how BB is legit. I actually don't have the time or inclination to read through it. No doubt its the same regurgitation that we have had before.

Banners Broker Debunking The Myth (http://www.the-laws-of-success.com/banners-broker.html)

Had a quick scan. I didn't find the name of the person who runs this site anywhere? Would someone else please have a look to see if you can find a name?

[AshKen1]

Carrying on from the post above (only posting to save you the bother of reading):

Seems to have started on 1 June 2012 - with 5 posts in June then nothing until late November.

Nothing revolutionary there at all imho. Just regurgitated stuff. And a few spelling mistakes (and I'm not going to say where)

[noname999]

(and I'm not going to say where)

Ha! Love it!

[Theseus]

What time is the first BB shill due today?

[Joe_Shmoe]

What time is the first BB shill due today?

I'm not sure but they would probably better waiting till the site is back up.

Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up? (http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/bannersbroker.com/)

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[bannersbrokerhelpme]

You should be congratulated for trying to save people from themselves!

You might have more luck with your local media - newspapers, radio - than the authorities, they seem to take forever to get things moving. However once it hits the press they'll take more notice.
Have a look at your local news websites, most reporters will have ways to contact them directly. Send them these facts, and tell them your story:

FACT: Rajiv Dixit was involved in a PYRAMID scheme just prior to his involvement with Banners Broker:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2012/1129/world/advertising-scheme-boss-led-firm-suspended-for-apospyramid-sellingapos-215448.html

FACT: Irish Media declaring or insinuating Banners Broker is not a legitimate business:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/another-scheme-too-good-to-be-true-215389.html
http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/sw-irish-crime.php#aid-13767
http://podcast.rasset.ie/podcasts/audio/2012/1128/20121128_rteradio1-liveline-bannersbro_c20118491_20118492_232_.mp3

FACT: Leading industry bloggers call it a doubtful business:

http://finchsells.com/2012/10/21/banners-broker-scam-dont-let-it-affect-you/
http://philsmy.com/2012/11/bannersbroker-the-old-its-not-me-its-you-story/
http://faithsloan.com/2012/12/03/banners-broker-a-ponzi-or-legitimate-business/
http://www.richlifeletter.com/finally-my-verdict-on-banners-broker/
http://www.tugagency.com/blog/2012/11/29/banners-broker-ponzi-scheme-accusations-intensify/
http://www.diarmaidcondon.com/banners-broker-ireland/

FACT: Banners Broker supporters will stoop to (and openly admit to) slanderous and mischievous means to ruin the professional reputations of sceptics who name themselves publicly (see latest Sunday World article).

FACT: Chris Smith is touted as an IT / Math genius with Uni degrees, but there is absolutely no background on him whatsoever (does he exist?).

FACT: Claims that Banners Broker has purchased a 15,000sqm building "and are moving in". The physical location has not been made known (why?).

FACT: Many people have lost money to Banners Broker, the various forums are littered with stories.

FACT: Constant posting (on Banners Brokers numerous Facebook pages) of delayed payouts of 30, 60, 90 days.

The only people who I have helped are people I know. These people have rang me and asked for my advice. after trying to get people to stop and look but the other side is shouting and bending backwards this was WIN WIN system

some got sucked in and lost money some still getting that pep talk

[AshKen1]

The only people who I have helped are people I know. These people have rang me and asked for my advice. after trying to get people to stop and look but the other side is shouting and bending backwards this was WIN WIN system

some got sucked in and lost money some still getting that pep talk

Welcome to realscam :)

At least you have tried to talk people out of joining. You are to be commended with what you have done.

Bit like Abraham Lincoln: "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time." Same with explaining to people about things like BB. Some will listen and some will not.

I don't know enough about the person who has been recruiting (feel free to send me a private message to explain further if you would like) but I think that a lot will be persuaded simply because of the perceived wisdom and stature of the recruiter. They may (will) also have been blinded by greed. How that sits with religious persuasion I don't know.

It is heart breaking when you see people you know and care for being sucked into something as dodgy as this. But that is their choice to join in. Keep at your persuasion. You are doing a good job.

[AshKen1]

Ok... I have just tried twice to find www.bannersbroker.com

Once on firefox - and it says problem loading page

On Chrome:

This is what I found..... it won't take you to www.bannersbroker.com

So I clicked on go to.... and a go-daddy website comes up

bannersbrokers.com (http://bannersbrokers.com/?hg=0)

NOTICE: This domain name expired on 12/09/2012 and is pending renewal or deletion.

Am I dreaming?

[Poyol]

You're not dreaming, Ash.
I noticed it before - I wanted to give it 24 hours before I mentioned anything.

Didn't want to be accused of jumping the gun.

Jason

[noname999]

Seriously...how mush can a back up server cost?

[AshKen1]

You're not dreaming, Ash.
I noticed it before - I wanted to give it 24 hours before I mentioned anything.

Didn't want to be accused of jumping the gun.

Jason

I am just posting what I just found. That's why I'm asking if anyone else has seen this....

[Poyol]

Noname, it's the domain that's been pulled y the looks of it.

Only a few reasons why that'd happen!
Authorities or GoDaddy.

Jason

[noname999]

Wow. Are you sure? As you say, don't want to jump the gun.

[AshKen1]

From BB Network on Facebook:

"Under maintenance

We are currently experiencing technical difficulties which will be resolved shortly. Please try again later and we apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
Contact info:"

[Joe_Shmoe]

Has Chris Smith Lost his Banners Broker MasterCard?

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[noname999]

How long is it down Jason?

[Poyol]

I don't know - I was going to buy the domain!

[AshKen1]

Over on MMG (#5264), couple of people saying site is down as well today. Sorry I can't interpret the time difference.

"It is disconcerting that a multi-million dollar company has so much site down time. Amazing.

Chris Smith is a purported tech whiz yet BB does not have backup servers. This surely goes to credibility.

Mark"

[noname999]

That would be brilliant!!

[noname999]

Is it not strange how few are complaining?

[AshKen1]

Anyone seen this before? If you have, apologies.

I don't understand the technical stuff at all, but the last sentence in the top paragraph is amazing.

bannersbroker.com (http://bannersbroker.com.w3snoop.com/)

"Our records indicate that bannersbroker.com receives an estimated 913,641,625 unique visitors each day - an unbelievable amount of traffic!"

[AshKen1]

Is it not strange how few are complaining?

Metamorphosis time?

[Whip]

Is it not strange how few are complaining?

Perhaps they've already been deleted and accounts frozen.

[noname999]

Who was talking earlier about them changing names. Is this, the structural change they are talking about? Brand new website?

[Whip]

Has Chris Smith Lost his Banners Broker MasterCard?

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Registration says it's good until 2017 or am I misinterpreting that?

[activeone]

You're dreaming (and forgiven for doing so...)

Expiration Date: 15-oct-2017

WHOIS information for bannersbroker.com:***

[Querying whois.verisign-grs.com]
[whois.verisign-grs.com]
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to InterNIC | The Internet's Network Information Center (http://www.internic.net)
for detailed information.
Domain Name: BANNERSBROKER.COM
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: Domain Names | The World's Largest Domain Name Registrar - Go Daddy (http://registrar.godaddy.com)
Name Server: NS19.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server: NS20.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 13-sep-2012
Creation Date: 15-oct-2010
Expiration Date: 15-oct-2017

www.bannersbroker.com won't connect through at this time, rather sloppy I.T. in my books not having a maintenance splash page, however when I go to the login page ( https://bannersbroker.com/user/login ) it sends me through to this page https://bannersbroker.com/maintenance.html

One thing's for sure, they need to completely overhaul and replace their I.T. team and shift their servers onto a scaleable servers on a cloud based system and sort out their load balancing issues causing the frequent DB errors.

Don't need wankers and trolls to bring the company down, as things stand they're doing a great job all by themselves thanks to inadequate I.T. and lack of communication - failing to put up a maintenance splash page when bringing the website down, how things are run leaves a lot to be desired. Doesn't make them a scam or a ponzi, although one could be forgiven for thinking that way....





Ok... I have just tried twice to find www.bannersbroker.com

Once on firefox - and it says problem loading page

On Chrome:

This is what I found..... it won't take you to www.bannersbroker.com

So I clicked on go to.... and a go-daddy website comes up

bannersbrokers.com (http://bannersbrokers.com/?hg=0)

NOTICE: This domain name expired on 12/09/2012 and is pending renewal or deletion.

Am I dreaming?

[noname999]

Perhaps they've already been deleted and accounts frozen.

But there are no complaints on ponzi forums. Something doesn't sit right....

[noname999]

Doesn't make them a scam or a ponzi, although one could be forgiven for thinking that way....

You are correct, bad IT doesn't make them a scam.

Its the money-cycling and lack of product.

[activeone]

913,641,625 unique visitors each day??
Now THAT i find hard to believe - how does w3snoop work that out? bannersbroker.com (http://bannersbroker.com.w3snoop.com)

Actually, I do know for a fact that sendoutcards.com DOES NOT receive 25,891,363 unique hits every day, as I know their IT manager personally, and it's a fraction of that, they don't even clock up up that many unique hits each year.



Anyone seen this before? If you have, apologies.

I don't understand the technical stuff at all, but the last sentence in the top paragraph is amazing.

bannersbroker.com (http://bannersbroker.com.w3snoop.com/)

"Our records indicate that bannersbroker.com receives an estimated 913,641,625 unique visitors each day - an unbelievable amount of traffic!"

[Theseus]

Metamorphosis time?

Frank Sinatra My Way - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aht9hcDFyVw)

[Joe_Shmoe]

https://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?k=PF/pU0qOG5Jc6eqr56nPB/RAvIxuiBvmYx8OP/4+cE2NY9/dVMQISRVm65rqKlPxSZbuoonu1oo=&domain=bannersbroker.com&prog_id=GoDaddy

Hhhhhmmmmm!?

From the Whois Page


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[activeone]

Bad I.T. is proven, money-cycling is speculative opinion, the product however is on-line advertising - suppose the big question is whether there is sufficient advertising to support the business model.



You are correct, bad IT doesn't make them a scam.

Its the money-cycling and lack of product.

[Theseus]

https://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?k=PF/pU0qOG5Jc6eqr56nPB/RAvIxuiBvmYx8OP/4+cE2NY9/dVMQISRVm65rqKlPxSZbuoonu1oo=&domain=bannersbroker.com&prog_id=GoDaddy

Hhhhhmmmmm!?

From the Whois Page


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That's normal, nothing suspicious there.

[activeone]

I have several domains with GoDaddy and all of mine have this registry status thing by default
Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited
nothing unusual.


https://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?k=PF/pU0qOG5Jc6eqr56nPB/RAvIxuiBvmYx8OP/4+cE2NY9/dVMQISRVm65rqKlPxSZbuoonu1oo=&domain=bannersbroker.com&prog_id=GoDaddy

Hhhhhmmmmm!?

From the Whois Page


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[Joe_Shmoe]

Damm! Just as I was about to load $10,000 onto my Banners Broker MasterCard... :duh:

[Theseus]

Bad I.T. is proven, money-cycling is speculative opinion, the product however is on-line advertising - suppose the big question is whether there is sufficient advertising to support the business model.

"Taxi for Scamburger!!"

[noname999]

suppose the big question is whether there is sufficient advertising to support the business model.

Sure is. Its the question that we have been asking for 2 years now. Of course BB are refusing to answer so we know what that means.

[AshKen1]

913,641,625 unique visitors each day??
Now THAT i find hard to believe - how does w3snoop work that out? bannersbroker.com (http://bannersbroker.com.w3snoop.com)

Actually, I do know for a fact that sendoutcards.com DOES NOT receive 25,891,363 unique hits every day, as I know their IT manager personally, and it's a fraction of that, they don't even clock up up that many unique hits each year.

That's why I posted it here. Wonder if it's to do with traffic packs? As I said, I don't understand the technical stuff at all. What I did note was that the server is in US. Would that cause disruption like this?

[AshKen1]

www.bannersbroker.com won't connect through at this time, rather sloppy I.T. in my books not having a maintenance splash page, however when I go to the login page ( https://bannersbroker.com/user/login ) it sends me through to this page https://bannersbroker.com/maintenance.html

One thing's for sure, they need to completely overhaul and replace their I.T. team and shift their servers onto a scaleable servers on a cloud based system and sort out their load balancing issues causing the frequent DB errors.

Don't need wankers and trolls to bring the company down, as things stand they're doing a great job all by themselves thanks to inadequate I.T. and lack of communication - failing to put up a maintenance splash page when bringing the website down, how things are run leaves a lot to be desired. Doesn't make them a scam or a ponzi, although one could be forgiven for thinking that way....

We've seen the maintenance splash page before activeone but this time it's just not there. Sometimes the BB website hasn't been available through Firefox, even though it's allegedly amazingly compatible with it, but when FF doesn't work, Chrome will. Neither is doing so now. I did also check whether IE is working and that's a no-go as well.

On Twitter, @bannersbroker states site "is in and and out for maintenance".

Best quote on Twitter is from somebody who says: "Hi I can't access your website that's not good if your business is web based! Why?????"

[Joe_Shmoe]

I have several domains with GoDaddy and all of mine have this registry status thing by default
Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited
nothing unusual.

Ahhh sorry I see I just checked Google.com Whois as Banners Broker IS modelled on Google

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[AshKen1]

If any one of the 137 guests who are looking at this thread at the moment knows what is going on, feel free to private message any of the regular posters. To do that you click on the name and you will see a PM option. Hopefully that will allow you to send something through.

I am sure someone will correct me if that is not the way to do it. Thank you.

[samuel.r]

We've seen the maintenance splash page before activeone but this time it's just not there. Sometimes the BB website hasn't been available through Firefox, even though it's allegedly amazingly compatible with it, but when FF doesn't work, Chrome will. Neither is doing so now. I did also check whether IE is working and that's a no-go as well.

On Twitter, @bannersbroker states site "is in and and out for maintenance".

Best quote on Twitter is from somebody who says: "Hi I can't access your website that's not good if your business is web based! Why?????"

My guess is they are moving their domain registration off GoDaddy and onto some other domain registrar. If changing nameservers it could be another 24 hours or so for the worldwide directories to be updated. So, of course they could really be "gone" but somehow I doubt it and there is an underlying technical reason for the (temporary) glitch.

Advanced notice for their members would have been nice, but if GoDaddy said get your crap off our system maybe they didn't have too much notice themselves...

This is all pure speculation of course. Time will tell.

[noname999]

It may be spectulation but it is bang on the money. There is no other realistic explanation. There is no reason they would not give notice unless their hand was forced. Can't wait to hear the lies though...

[Theseus]

My guess is they are moving their domain registration off GoDaddy and onto some other domain registrar. If changing nameservers it could be another 24 hours or so for the worldwide directories to be updated. So, of course they could really be "gone" but somehow I doubt it and there is an underlying technical reason for the (temporary) glitch.

Advanced notice for their members would have been nice, but if GoDaddy said get your crap off our system maybe they didn't have too much notice themselves...

This is all pure speculation of course. Time will tell.


I would have thought that if it was a migration they'd have warned their members in advance....

[noname999]

I would have thought that if it was a migration they'd have warned their members in advance....

Only if they knew in advance?

If they have had to move, no doubt they will claim it is a great thing. They have a new partner, blah, blah, blah...

And if they do, the drones will swallow it.

I can't believe it has got to the stage that people are afraid to speak out when they can't even access the site.

[Theseus]

Has Chris Smith Lost his Banners Broker MasterCard?

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The date is displayed in the UK format, not US..

[Theseus]

Only if they knew in advance?

If they have had to move, no doubt they will claim it is a great thing. They have a new partner, blah, blah, blah...

And if they do, the drones will swallow it.

I can't believe it has got to the stage that people are afraid to speak out when they can't even access the site.

They know that if they speak out their accounts will be blocked.

[noname999]

They know that if they speak out their accounts will be blocked.

Makes me wonder...when this thing collapses, how long will it be before people even realise.

[samuel.r]

Actually...now that I played around with it a little. Various combinations of www.bannersbroker.com versus just plain bannersbroker.com without or without trailing slash sometimes get you the weird GoDaddy "expired" notice -- sometimes you just get the "server unreachable" message. This is in IE.

I think they have their root stuff or DNS stuff screwed up.

We are probably seeing simple incompetence in keeping a site up and running not something more diabolical. Like I said let's check in a few hours and see if it is back. I'm going to guess it will be ;-)

You guys wanting to buy the domain name...put your shiny new BB MasterCard back in its holster. Registrars bend over backward even after expiration, to give the domain owner a chance to reclaim their property. It takes weeks sometimes months to buy a domain name that has expired.

[Whip]

That's why I posted it here. Wonder if it's to do with traffic packs? As I said, I don't understand the technical stuff at all. What I did note was that the server is in US. Would that cause disruption like this?

That's a lot of spambots. lol. Perhaps this is the 'hits' they guarantee you'll get.

[Poyol]

Oh, I know that, Sam!
90 days I thought it was.

[noname999]

I think they have their root stuff or DNS stuff screwed up.

We are probably seeing simple incompetence in keeping a site up and running not something more diabolical.

And whats their (supposed) business again??:RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lo l::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

[noname999]

MMG BB thread is shooting up in popularity. Still long way behind this one but increasing.

[Joe_Shmoe]

It may be spectulation but it is bang on the money. There is no other realistic explanation. There is no reason they would not give notice unless their hand was forced. Can't wait to hear the lies though...

Something like "GoDaddy just couldn't handle the massive traffic that Banners Broker generated so we moved to a better provider.
All will now be well in the land of Banners Broker from now on...

No more outages from now on OK? Oh! and by the way we changed our name to Adverts Galore."



Maths/IT Genius, Cycler script writer Chris Smith.

[baylee]

This is the funnest post I have read in a long time! A Scam declaring "Bankruptcy" LOL!


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QUOTE (strosdegoz @ Dec 10 2012, 01:57 PM) *
If they were under maintenance they would have a message on the website as they have been doing in the past.
More likely they ran into some technical problems or simply shut this thing down which isn't likely right now but still possible.


Yep, I don't think they are quite ready to declare bankruptcy. I would give them another 3-6 months...but when it does happen, it's going to hurt a whole lot of innocent folks.. Oh well, that's business.... closedeyes.gif

[Hypanor]

The domain is registered until October 2017. Its hosted in Missouri, Saint Louis (Hosting Solutions International Inc.) and the servers IP address is responding.
Hosting Solutions is a name used by Serverloft, who are owned by Intergenia. We can rule out hardware malfunctions as Serverloft promise "...in case of a hardware breakdown, the server is replaced within four hours, 24 hours a day, seven days a week."

"Cannot display webpage" in this case just means, there is nothing on the Banners Broker web server that is responding to GET requests to serve up html. Which most likely means someone or something has stopped the webservice from running on the server for whatever reason. This has happened several before (usually with a splash screen though), and no doubt the site will be back on air in due course and everyone will carry on pretending that this is a normal occurance for businesses of this size... bulldust!

In an ideal world, Anonymous (the group) have heard about BB and taken them down with a DOS attack, lol!

Edit: At this time, the Authoritative DNS server has not been changed (nor the server IP), so no apparent sign of a change of host if that is the excuse.

[EagleOne]

Who knows what is really going on. It is way too early to say they have run with the money. One sure sign they will run is when all the major shills and pimps stop posting on any forum or blog. One thing for sure, the next few days are going to be quite interesting.

Hmm, maybe all the affiliate websites should be looked into as well. The one for Paul McCarthy was showing site down for maintenance earlier this morning and now it is saying "Could not connect to remote server." Rather odd for the Ireland main BB website. Wonder if the UK, India sites cannot be connected to the remote server? I guess this is what they meant by a "new structure" coming soon, or whatever they said was being changed.

[littleroundman]

None of the remaining Banners Broker members are likely to be panicking.

They've been "preconditioned" to expect exactly this sort of event, right back since Banners Brokers' earliest days.

When Banners Broker eventually collapses, it will take a few weeks for the fact to sink in for the "true believers," giving whoever really IS behind the scam to be long gone.

[Mundorf]

Nice to see..even for few hours...the dragon site down...I wonder what new scam will they come out with?...some kind of rescamming is in progress I guess

[Theseus]

You'd think a "cash-rich", debt-free, multi-million dollar company could afford a back-up server, wouldn't you? :loser:

[Hypanor]

Someone has found the password for the backup laptop, website is back. Maybe it's running off Paul McCarthy's Casio now?

[Whip]

Someone has found the password for the backup laptop, website is back. Maybe it's running off Paul McCarthy's Casio now?

Yeah....it took him awhile to find that right size watch battery it uses.

[Theseus]

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The wording of this is interesting...

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"new Canadian partner" ?

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There's a top tip for any married people out there, if you think you might be suffering from the 7-year itch, simply get your spouse to change their name and, hey presto, you have a "new partner" :RpS_thumbsup:

[littleroundman]

And now Banners Broker have a "believable" new excuse to explain away lack of or delayed payments.

This will cover Banners' brokers' a** for weeks in the eyes of the shills, pimps and "true believers"

Look out for a whole lot of "see, if they were crooks, they wouldn't have bothered to come back" posts on the usual suspect forums.

[Hypanor]

Thats definitely 5 Carlow Court, same building that is showing on Google Maps (never trust Google Maps, BTW - some images are very dated).
This mob say they are still in that building though - Durham Energy Specialist Ltd. - Consulting Engineers (http://www.durhamenergy.com). Waiting to see what they say to an enquiry email...

[Theseus]

Thats definitely 5 Carlow Court, same building that is showing on Google Maps (never trust Google Maps, BTW - some images are very dated).
This mob say they are still in that building though - Durham Energy Specialist Ltd. - Consulting Engineers (http://www.durhamenergy.com). Waiting to see what they say to an enquiry email...

Durham own both number 5 and number 10, so they may well have simply moved everything into the latter, it'll be interesting to see....

[activeone]

Yeah right, more like he lashed out on a brand spankin' new iPad mini and the site's running off that....


Someone has found the password for the backup laptop, website is back. Maybe it's running off Paul McCarthy's Casio now?

[activeone]

re: Website Outage - take this whichever way you want, whether you're a shill or a troll, I'm only bothering to post this because my own domains (godaddy hosted ones) have been offline all day. So much so, I've received about 40 or 50 phone calls today from clients unable to log into MY websites, which are hosted on GoDaddy. I have also had problems getting into my facebook fan page several times today (server not found).

Seems to me it's high time BB moved its servers into the cloud, like thepiratebay.se ....

Facebook down..multiple sites down.
Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 12/10/2012 - 3:27pm

Site: facebookLast week, GoDaddy was hacked; regardless of what GoDaddy says in an effort to mislead consumers - the facts are clear..they were compromised. Websites associated with GoDaddy are systematically being taken down - Gmail an hour ago, Facebook, Bank of America, Pandora, Yahoo Mail, Hotmail Last Night..shall I continue?This needs to be reviewed because facebook, as of this moment, does not exist in DNS servers. I have multiple screen shots of the progressive failure of Facebook which indicates that it was being done step-by-step. There is no doubt about this and companies need to be transparent and honest in what has happened. I was able to ping another Facebook address after it went down which worked, it resolved fine in the browser. A few minutes later - it was gone. Reports worldwide indicate that it is down. Even SITEDOWN.COM is down! Downforeveryoneorjustme results show me that it does not exist on the "Interwho". We need to be wary of a large scale cyberattack........ Oh, earlier - look at the interesting SQL error that came up even on Facebook games? MySQL ExceptionMessage: 2013: Lost connection to MySQL server during query
File: /opt/cc/wc.20121206-1702/www/application/library/Api/Player.php
Line: 144
Query: UPDATE users SET seentime = 1355176189 WHERE userid =
Generally lots of reports of Facebook and Bank of America being down over the course of the day. GoDaddy, BofA, and Facebook seem to be back up though. Still it illustrates that BB is not the only site in the world that has problems!

[littleroundman]

Ummn, that report was from September 12, NOT December 12.

The date format is in US style, i.e. 12/10/2010 indicates September 12.





CNET (http://www.cnet.com/)
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Go Daddy-serviced Web sites go down; hacker takes ...



Go Daddy-serviced Web sites go down; hacker takes credit

One hacker claims responsibility for an outage affecting sites for which Go Daddy provides hosting and DNS services.

by Elinor Mills (http://www.cnet.com/profile/elinormills/)
September 10, 2012 12:07 PM PDT

(colour and underlining littleroundmans)

news.cnet.com (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57509753-83/go-daddy-serviced-web-sites-go-down-hacker-takes-credit/)

[EagleOne]

Well Paul McCarthy's BB site is back up. I guess all is well with the world.

[Poyol]

90 views on my blog at the moment.
If anyone would like to help me make sure it's just right please message me.

Jason

[Theseus]

Well Paul McCarthy's BB site is back up. I guess all is well with the world.

Still sporting the fake VAT number too (screen shots taken within last 5 minutes)

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[Theseus]

re: Website Outage - take this whichever way you want, whether you're a shill or a troll, I'm only bothering to post this because my own domains (godaddy hosted ones) have been offline all day. So much so, I've received about 40 or 50 phone calls today from clients unable to log into MY websites, which are hosted on GoDaddy. I have also had problems getting into my facebook fan page several times today (server not found).



Who have guessed there was so much demand for taxis round your way, Rog :RpS_laugh:

[EagleOne]

Still sporting the fake VAT number too (screen shots taken within last 5 minutes)

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But that's not a fake VAT number. Just ask bannersbiz @ mmg. :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

[hendyphilhendy]

This is the latest trash doing the rounds. It supposedly explains how BB is legit. I actually don't have the time or inclination to read through it. No doubt its the same regurgitation that we have had before.

Banners Broker Debunking The Myth (http://www.the-laws-of-success.com/banners-broker.html)

Interesting read - I would like to know how a website gets to publish onto the blind network - not 'a' blind network 'the' blind network!

:shocked:

[Theseus]

But that's not a fake VAT number. Just ask bannersbiz @ mmg. :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

I see the company, according to the website, is now called "Macoone Online Marketing" too :RpS_laugh:

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[Poyol]

Interesting read - I would like to know how a website gets to publish onto the blind network - not 'a' blind network 'the' blind network!

:shocked:


Well, part of what makes Banners Broker work is that they are also partnered with Internet traffic companies – companies that for a fee, send real live visitors to the websites where the ads are.

So, when an affiliate purchases ad inventory, he also purchases the means to make that ad inventory create revenue – traffic.

Wait ... now how would they do this without having advertisements?

Jason

[Poyol]

I see the company, according to the website, is now called "Macoone Online Marketing" too :RpS_laugh:

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Instead of the actual name: Maconne Online Marketing Limited!
*Sigh* So professional.

Jason

[littleroundman]

Instead of the actual name: Maconne Online Marketing Limited!
*Sigh* So professional.

Jason

It's probably just me, BUT, if what I was trying to do is throw investigators of my trail, that's probably the sort of thing I'd do.

Minor differences in the spelling of any company names to fool Mr Google and casual observers, I mean.

Not that I'm suggesting anyone associated with such an illustrious enterprise such as Banners Broker would stoop to doing something so deceitful, mind you.

[Theseus]

It's probably just me, BUT, if what I was trying to do is throw investigators of my trail, that's probably the sort of thing I'd do.

Minor differences in the spelling of any company names to fool Mr Google and casual observers, I mean.

Not that I'm suggesting anyone associated with such an illustrious enterprise such as Banners Broker would be bright enough to think of that, mind you.

Fixed that for you :RpS_biggrin:

[littleroundman]

Fixed that for you :RpS_biggrin:

Thanks for that, Theseus.

For a moment there I was forgetting it's a HYIP ponzi I am talking about.

[hendyphilhendy]

This 'The' Blind network really does seem to be the new big thing at the moment

Banners Broker Blind Network Explained | Dane Sampson (http://danesampson.com/banners-broker-blind-network-explained/)

Still not sure whether it is one magical mystical entity in its own right or if it is a Banners Broker entity?

[AshKen1]

Feeling in a sombre mood this morning and with a head full of cold, I'm going to get philosophical. It won't make the blindest bit of difference to anyone on here, but I might feel a tad better.

Whatever BB are doing in terms of getting new partners, mis-spelling names for VAT numbers, shape-shifting etc, this does not lend any greater authenticity to the claims that this is a legitimate business. It's just a load of cr*p.

People who defend this "company" (loose term here) and have recruited others into BB need to really think how they are going to explain all the BS they have been spouting to their nearest and dearest family & friends when it all goes splat. All the money that you may have withdrawn from BB won't make up for the furore that will ensue when peope realised that you conned them. Some of those friends actually will pursue you legally and they will win.

I have yet to see any convincing evidence that BB is a legitimate company and what they do is all above board and legal. Until someone does produce that, nothing will change my mind as to what BB is.

[AshKen1]

This 'The' Blind network really does seem to be the new big thing at the moment

Banners Broker Blind Network Explained | Dane Sampson (http://danesampson.com/banners-broker-blind-network-explained/)

Still not sure whether it is one magical mystical entity in its own right or if it is a Banners Broker entity?

And it's the same old, same old cr*p they are spouting. Still doesn't explain it well either: well you can't explain it at all really can you?

[Theseus]

This 'The' Blind network really does seem to be the new big thing at the moment

Banners Broker Blind Network Explained | Dane Sampson (http://danesampson.com/banners-broker-blind-network-explained/)

Still not sure whether it is one magical mystical entity in its own right or if it is a Banners Broker entity?


That must be direct from BB HQ, I've seen that posted verbatim on a few sites now. Essentially it's drivel, if any of that were true they'd have come out with it from the very beginning instead of humming and hawing every time they were asked what a "blind network" was.

I get the feeling it'll be David Hooker's handiwork, it certainly smacks of being more carefully crafted than any of the nonsense that has been spouted previously.

[Mundorf]

But that's not a fake VAT number. Just ask bannersbiz @ mmg. :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

Interesting isn't it....anything the BB lords throw out ,the dogs swallow as a peace of cake...imagine Smith would say next 12 months no payout will be done at all..I bet the servants & slaves would be more then happy to explain the world how great this is for the business...when you deal with something like BB you can do anything except using your brain - this is highly forbidden...it looks more as slavery then as a company - and this is egzactly ponzi survive strategy - enough new ,fresh money and,in case it fails, enough strong mind control so that the engine can runn some more milles even when fuel is burnt in hope that new wave of victims will take place any moment - what brings me to believe that the future BB will try to organize more as a sect then as a pure ponzi game,especialy after the money will start coming in drops,what I think,is happening now.Let's see how far the new slavery can hold the ponzi

[littleroundman]

I have yet to see any convincing evidence that BB is a legitimate company and what they do is all above board and legal. Until someone does produce that, nothing will change my mind as to what BB is.

In my observation of HYIP ponzi "games" I'd say it takes the "normal" non HYIP playing "newbie" at least 5 or 6 attempts before he/she realizes that they are ALL "games" and are treated as such by regular HYIP ponzi "players"

They are ALL pure fantasy.

Anyone who takes the time to read through the volumes of material available on previously collapsed HYIPs of the AdSurf Daily / Zeek Rewards / 12 Daily Pro type will soon realize the only (relatively) safe way of playing HYIP ponzis is to believe NOTHING being said, no matter how "real" it may appear to be.

Unfortunately, though, there will ALWAYS be those who think they have stumbled on the road to riches, just as there will ALWAYS be criminal predators only too glad to relieve the unwary of their hard earned and those who believe the rantings of the latest positive thinking guru that "never, ever, ever give up" and dismissing anything even remotely negative are the keys to successful "investing"

[Theseus]

Unfortunately, though, there will ALWAYS be those who think they have stumbled on the road to riches

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"almost"?

[Poyol]

My custom domain for my blog is up: Jason Clark Investigates | A fine WordPress.com site (http://www.jasonclarkinvestigates.com)

Will be posting some never-seen-before pictures of Chris Smith up in my next post too.

Jason

[hendyphilhendy]

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"almost"?

If you just left it and took nothing out, then surely you would have made um,............. nothing?

[Theseus]

If you just left it and took nothing out, then surely you would have made um,............. nothing?

Methinks she'd have been better spending a tenner on a Monopoly set, the results will be the same at the end of the day...

[AshKen1]

My custom domain for my blog is up: Jason Clark Investigates | A fine WordPress.com site (http://www.jasonclarkinvestigates.com)

Will be posting some never-seen-before pictures of Chris Smith up in my next post too.

Jason

Like the work you're doing with your blog. Reads really clearly and explains things well. Look forward to the photos ;)

[Hypanor]

re: Website Outage - take this whichever way you want, whether you're a shill or a troll, I'm only bothering to post this because my own domains (godaddy hosted ones) have been offline all day. So much so, I've received about 40 or 50 phone calls today from clients unable to log into MY websites, which are hosted on GoDaddy. I have also had problems getting into my facebook fan page several times today (server not found).

Seems to me it's high time BB moved its servers into the cloud, like thepiratebay.se ....

Facebook down..multiple sites down.
Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 12/10/2012 - 3:27pm

Site: facebookLast week, GoDaddy was hacked; regardless of what GoDaddy says in an effort to mislead consumers - the facts are clear..they were compromised. Websites associated with GoDaddy are systematically being taken down - Gmail an hour ago, Facebook, Bank of America, Pandora, Yahoo Mail, Hotmail Last Night..shall I continue?This needs to be reviewed because facebook, as of this moment, does not exist in DNS servers. I have multiple screen shots of the progressive failure of Facebook which indicates that it was being done step-by-step. There is no doubt about this and companies need to be transparent and honest in what has happened. I was able to ping another Facebook address after it went down which worked, it resolved fine in the browser. A few minutes later - it was gone. Reports worldwide indicate that it is down. Even SITEDOWN.COM is down! Downforeveryoneorjustme results show me that it does not exist on the "Interwho". We need to be wary of a large scale cyberattack........ Oh, earlier - look at the interesting SQL error that came up even on Facebook games? MySQL ExceptionMessage: 2013: Lost connection to MySQL server during query
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Generally lots of reports of Facebook and Bank of America being down over the course of the day. GoDaddy, BofA, and Facebook seem to be back up though. Still it illustrates that BB is not the only site in the world that has problems!

Rog I'm not sure if you're clever at weaving stories to excuse BB being down yet again, or you do actually believe what you wrote (which many a non-techie would).

As littleroundman pointed out, the bulk of your post was of a major outage report that GoDaddy suffered on the 10th Sept (the news report is dated two days later) as per https://twitter.com/GoDaddy/status/245213898683318272

Facebook was down today, but was due to a DNS update that only affected Facebook users (and only some). Unrelated to the above outage of course.

For your site/s being down, there is no reports elsewhere that GoDaddy was down today (which would be pretty serious), their twitter feed has nothing and nor does Whirlpool - which is usually an excellent indicator for popular sites/hosts being down. So most likely a local issue to you, or your sites are served from elsewhere and they had an outage.

The only way GoDaddy being down can affect Banners Broker, is if the GoDaddy Name Servers are attacked. As previously posted, the BB website is not hosted with GoDaddy, only registered through them (for the name ownership).

So my point is, with all due respect none of what you said had anything to do with the totally unprofessional Banners Broker website being down for an extended period (once again).

PS - that post by 'anonymous' is seriously flawed too, but no need to go into that here.

PPS - Awww, Rog had a little cuddle with his friend on Facebook. Glad to see your spirits have lifted though, and you're back ready to stick up for your immoral business again!
2249

How come for a page of 4100+likes, it gets so few comments and comment likes? My own page of about 100 real friends gets more than that! I guess people are afraid to associate themselves with Banners Broker in public, huh?

[Poyol]

Completely correct - Banners Broker is not hosted by GoDaddy.

Quote from an email I received from GoDaddy:

Dear Jason,

Thank you for contacting Online Support in regards to your concern of the content of on bannersbroker.com. In this situation we ask that you to redirect your inquiry to our Abuse Department. Please contact them, via email, at abuse@secureserver.net, or via telephone, at 480-624-2505.

Please be aware that this domain is registered through GoDaddy but is not hosted here. As the registrar of the domain we do not have control over the hosted content, but our Abuse team will still review these concerns. You may also wish to use a WhoIs lookup to find the hosting provider of the domain and consult them to assist in resolving this issue.

Please let us know if we can assist you in any other way.

Sincerely,
Jason P.
Online Support Representative

However Banners Broker are hosted by ... ▷▷ Find out who hosts Bannersbroker.com (http://who-hosts.com/bannersbroker.com)

Jason

[littleroundman]

Banners Broker IP and hostname:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/host.jpg

Banners Broker IP / Hostname and domain:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/hostdomain.jpg

[Hypanor]

Does anyone else think its odd that some of the Choice network websites are only showing adverts via Google? No BB adverts at all. Interior Spread - Interior design (http://www.interiorspread.com/)
Even their own websites are refusing to show BB banners!

[Poyol]

Does anyone else think its odd that some of the Choice network websites are only showing adverts via Google? No BB adverts at all. Interior Spread - Interior design (http://www.interiorspread.com/)
Even their own websites are refusing to show BB banners!

I agree.
I hate visiting Choice Network websites it makes me sad that they call it so.

Jason

[hendyphilhendy]

Another site I have come across BB Dealer help you earn money online using the Banners Broker advertising system. Learn how to make money, increase your income and improve your quality of life with a banner impressions business. (http://bbdealer.co.uk/)

Key point here is once again the endorsement of MasterCard - I thought BB had banned this?

2251

Also looking at the video it states that Banners Broker pay out in excess of $1,000,000 per DAY in commissions! That just does not sound right. to me?

[Poyol]

Another site I have come across BB Dealer help you earn money online using the Banners Broker advertising system. Learn how to make money, increase your income and improve your quality of life with a banner impressions business. (http://bbdealer.co.uk/)

Key point here is once again the endorsement of MasterCard - I thought BB had banned this?

2251

Also looking at the video it states that Banners Broker pay out in excess of $1,000,000 per DAY in commissions! That just does not sound right. to me?

$365million a year ... just in commissions.
I rarely use foul language on here - but that's complete bollocks.

Jason

[Whip]

Wait ... now how would they do this without having advertisements?

Jason

How can they do it when even they don't know where the ads allegedly are? It's 'blind' ya know! lol

[AshKen1]

Math is not my strong point but:

Paying out $1000000 in commission per day?

How many members are there now, according to the latest BB figures? 265000?? (Being generous here)


1000000/265000 = $3773.59 each per day

Right... yes... well.... that blows the $40 max that the chap in Ireland was saying most people earn per month - which really works out to less than $1 a day if that is the case.

Oh dear. Someone is telling "stories" ..... but who is it?

[Whip]

Does anyone else think its odd that some of the Choice network websites are only showing adverts via Google? No BB adverts at all. Interior Spread - Interior design (http://www.interiorspread.com/)
Even their own websites are refusing to show BB banners!

What are you......blind????????

[amathyst87]

Well...the website is down again!

New to this forum/thread and i've found it very interesting read. I've been signed up to Banners Broker since August from the recommendation of a family member and whilst I will say thatwe have a withdrawal pending to our pre-paid card (requested Friday, not expecting it until next week), I know of at least 4 others who have been members and have had their money out and then some.

I've been skeptical about it from the start, I went to one of their presentations, and whilst the first part was a load of waffle (I work in marketing and still found their pitch confusing - perhaps on purpose - and factually incorrect) the second part by their 'Head of Compliance' David Hooker was extremely convincing (to be expected, in a former life he was a motivational speaker) and talked a lot about the blind network. I'll be honest, I came away convinced, even though the whole session (worth noting there was about 400 people crammed into a room mean to hold about 200) had a whiff of recruitment drive and zealotry about it - I believe people on here have used the term 'cult' - They even had very convincing testimonials (set up as surprise testimonials despite one of the testimonial being given by someone who was sat on the end of one of the rows of chairs in an otherwhise packed room).

However I must admit reading this thread really has turned me back into a skeptic. I will have had my money back out of this within the next week hopefully, it really does feel like the whole thing will implode very soon. I hope this thread stays alive as it's extremely helpful and the amount of actual facts about the business being presented is refreshing. Banners Broker is either too good to be true, and happen to have the worst IT team known to man and me and many others will make a fortune and this time next year Chris Smith and Rajiv Dixit will be on the front cover of every business and tech magazine, or it's just that, too good to be true.

I noticed that anyone who is actually an affiliate of Banners Broker who comes on here falls into the brainwashed category so I hope this post just proves I was stupid enough to get involved and you won't hold it against me!

[AshKen1]

Ok the new wrinkle was added today. This info can be found on MMG (#5319 currently). No reason to disbelieve this.

"As of today in order to combat fraud we are placing the following restrictions on the transfer of product:

Panels and packages can only be transferred to your direct referrals.
Panels and packages cannot be transferred out of free accounts.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause."

I made that bit bold: seriously you couldn't make that bit up could you?

So you can only transfer things down and not up? Am I reading this properly?

[Poyol]

Well...the website is down again!

New to this forum/thread and i've found it very interesting read. I've been signed up to Banners Broker since August from the recommendation of a family member and whilst I will say thatwe have a withdrawal pending to our pre-paid card (requested Friday, not expecting it until next week), I know of at least 4 others who have been members and have had their money out and then some.

I've been skeptical about it from the start, I went to one of their presentations, and whilst the first part was a load of waffle (I work in marketing and still found their pitch confusing - perhaps on purpose - and factually incorrect) the second part by their 'Head of Compliance' David Hooker was extremely convincing (to be expected, in a former life he was a motivational speaker) and talked a lot about the blind network. I'll be honest, I came away convinced, even though the whole session (worth noting there was about 400 people crammed into a room mean to hold about 200) had a whiff of recruitment drive and zealotry about it - I believe people on here have used the term 'cult' - They even had very convincing testimonials (set up as surprise testimonials despite one of the testimonial being given by someone who was sat on the end of one of the rows of chairs in an otherwhise packed room).

However I must admit reading this thread really has turned me back into a skeptic. I will have had my money back out of this within the next week hopefully, it really does feel like the whole thing will implode very soon. I hope this thread stays alive as it's extremely helpful and the amount of actual facts about the business being presented is refreshing. Banners Broker is either too good to be true, and happen to have the worst IT team known to man and me and many others will make a fortune and this time next year Chris Smith and Rajiv Dixit will be on the front cover of every business and tech magazine, or it's just that, too good to be true.

I noticed that anyone who is actually an affiliate of Banners Broker who comes on here falls into the brainwashed category so I hope this post just proves I was stupid enough to get involved and you won't hold it against me!

I was an affiliate - I'm sure you're of the opinion I'm not brainwashed ... I hope!

We're not all bad, honest!

[amathyst87]

I was an affiliate - I'm sure you're of the opinion I'm not brainwashed ... I hope!

We're not all bad, honest!

Haha, pretty sure not everyone is, just the ones who seem to come on here spouting drivel and not backing themselves up!

[amathyst87]

Ok the new wrinkle was added today. This info can be found on MMG (#5319 currently). No reason to disbelieve this.

"As of today in order to combat fraud we are placing the following restrictions on the transfer of product:

Panels and packages can only be transferred to your direct referrals.
Panels and packages cannot be transferred out of free accounts.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause."

I made that bit bold: seriously you couldn't make that bit up could you?

So you can only transfer things down and not up? Am I reading this properly?

Up until now you could transfer panels between friends/family, however it now seems if they're not in your down-line, no dice.

[AshKen1]

Well...the website is down again!

........ I noticed that anyone who is actually an affiliate of Banners Broker who comes on here falls into the brainwashed category so I hope this post just proves I was stupid enough to get involved and you won't hold it against me!

I've taken the liberty of shortening your post. Welcome to realscam!

What you will notice here is the ability to say what you want (within reason) without the fear of losing your account. If we've made it possible that your eyes have been opened, then that's great. Look forward to interacting with you more :)

[amathyst87]

I've taken the liberty of shortening your post. Welcome to realscam!

What you will notice here is the ability to say what you want (within reason) without the fear of losing your account. If we've made it possible that your eyes have been opened, then that's great. Look forward to interacting with you more :)

As I say, i've always been fairly skeptical about it (with the exception of a blip for a few days last week after the meeting in Manchester). I just think this forum has further opened my eyes.

Their business model relies on a banner being given impressions which essentially fills a corresponding 'panel' up in your back end system. Banners Broker say they drive traffic to these banners to ensure they get the correct number of impressions. There is just so much wrong with that, especially when you factor in the banner is supposedly in a blind network meaning that not even Banners Broker know where it is, so how they can 'drive' traffic to it i'm not sure. Plus, in reality, banner impressions are organic or appear based on cookies picked up from general browsing. Their back end system is all about controlling traffic to a banner but, and I could be wrong, i'm pretty sure this is not possible.

Edit for clarification: The point I think i'm making is that you (BB in this case) can't drive traffic to something they have no idea of where it's located

I'm taking that last paragraph from my own understanding so if someone thinks I have it wrong please feel free to correct me.

[Poyol]

I'm taking that last paragraph from my own understanding so if someone thinks I have it wrong please feel free to correct me.

I have done!

[Jerrygo]

Ok the new wrinkle was added today. we are placing the following restrictions on the transfer of product:

Panels and packages can only be transferred to your direct referrals.


can only transfer things down and not up? Am I reading this properly?



Well if that is right, it will lock in many people who have realised its a scam. People who are trying to sell off their panels at a discount to get out of the morass. Also will block people like Dainiusiva, who's upliner (his aunt) was going to buy his panels off him as a matter of honour. They are closing all avenues of escape from the ponzi, except to just take the loss and walk away

[AshKen1]

Well if that is right, it will lock in many people who have realised its a scam. People who are trying to sell off their panels at a discount to get out of the morass. Also will block people like Dainiusiva, who's upliner (his aunt) was going to buy his panels off him as a matter of honour. They are closing all avenues of escape from the ponzi, except to just take the loss and walk away

I was having one of those "yeah right I can see why, but I can't" moments. So thanks for explaining it to me.

For those of us who appreciate the "business model" being used by BB, I thought it was hysterical the reasoning they are using to change this and I quote "in order to combat fraud". Uhuh. Yes. How did they manage to write that with a straight face - is that a double bluff? Just my opinion of course :)

So just to recap folks based on the information to date:

When you put money in, they take a slice.
When you take money out, they take a slice.
You are limited in the method you use to take the money out.
There is no guarantee that your money will arrive in a reasonable timescale.
There is no guarantee that the money will arrive at all.
You now can't transfer panels upwards, only downwards - because the company is afraid of fraud.
Refunds are non-existent.
There appears to be no exit strategy available once you've gone past 30 days.
Worst of all, if you say anything that is regarded as negative, you may lose your account
There are words on prescribed list that you must never use as you will lose your account.

And you still think this is a good business to be a part of???

I think this is what you would call a vicious circle....

[Jerrygo]

And if you do finally get out of their clutches, you still worry for the next couple of years what use is being made of that passport you uploaded to them.

[Whip]

Ok the new wrinkle was added today. This info can be found on MMG (#5319 currently). No reason to disbelieve this.

"As of today in order to combat fraud we are placing the following restrictions on the transfer of product:

Panels and packages can only be transferred to your direct referrals.
Panels and packages cannot be transferred out of free accounts.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause."

I made that bit bold: seriously you couldn't make that bit up could you?

So you can only transfer things down and not up? Am I reading this properly?

Ah, but wait.....I thought that was why you had to send them a copy of your photo passport ID?

[Joe_Shmoe]

"As of today in order to combat fraud we are placing the following restrictions on the transfer of product:

Panels and packages can only be transferred to your direct referrals.
Panels and packages cannot be transferred out of free accounts.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause."

One thing that got me was on the TalkingBB/Adverts Galore forums (before it was locked down)

It was continually pointed out that Banners Broker was a will-able business.
Is that still the case?

However if somebody left a Banners Broker account to me I would run a mile but some people might only see $50,000 scary.

[AshKen1]

Ah, but wait.....I thought that was why you had to send them a copy of your photo passport ID?

Ah indeed.

[AshKen1]

One thing that got me was on the TalkingBB/Adverts Galore forums (before it was locked down)

It was continually pointed out that Banners Broker was a will-able business.
Is that still the case?

However if somebody left a Banners Broker account to me I would run a mile but some people might only see $50,000 scary.

Usually, things like shares can be transferred via a will as long as the document has been drawn up in the proper manner.

I wouldn't want to be a lawyer trying to work out how anything to do with BB would or even could be transferred effectively. Seeing as we're having difficulties in defining what "it" is.... would be interesting to see what happened if it ended up in court though. I wonder if anyone had taken legal advice on this in the first place or whether they were just spouting quasi-legal mumbo-jumbo to shut someone up.

There is probably something in the T & Cs to negate this completely :RpS_wink:

[buckyuk]

amathyst87 I have amde similar points before.

If you were an advertiser, and the publisher was using "traffic packs" to artificially drive non targetted traffic to your ads, the conversion rate would be in the region of 0%.

Any advertiser on the receiving end of some banners broker ads, would definitely not be reordering.

[littleroundman]

They are closing all avenues of escape from the ponzi, except to just take the loss and walk away

Here ya go, straight from the horses' mouth.

How to exit from Banners Broker after your 30 days "cooling off period"


"If you are over the 30 days then you will have to withdraw all funds that are available and walk away eventually the account will go in to arrears once in arrears for two months it will automatically be locked."

See, it's as easy as "withdrawing all funds that are available"

And, if you believe THAT, then you'll believe anything

[hendyphilhendy]

One thing that got me was on the TalkingBB/Adverts Galore forums (before it was locked down)

It was continually pointed out that Banners Broker was a will-able business.
Is that still the case?

However if somebody left a Banners Broker account to me I would run a mile but some people might only see $50,000 scary.

It was always talked about as an option but there have, as far as I am aware, never been any test cases.

My usual comment to this was what if you wanted to sell your 'business' i.e. you have an almost guaranteed value of recurring income. If I wanted to get some quick cash I should be able to easily sell my business to someone else. This is how I would with any other business.

There is no clear provision to do this within Banners Broker, despite what they say. It would seem this is even harder now you cannot sell panels separately.

[littleroundman]

There is no clear provision to do this within Banners Broker, despite what they say. It would seem this is even harder now you cannot sell panels separately.

HeHe, it makes no material difference, whatever Banners Broker may be saying now.

There ARE no "panels"

They exist only on the screens of Banners Broker members.

They are no more "real" than Zeek Rewards "bids" and AdSurf Dailys' "Ad Packs"

If anybody doesn't believe me, then take 10,000 Banners Broker "banners" or "impressions" or 'panels" and 50c down to your local cafe and you STILL won't have enough to buy a cup of coffee.

Panels on your screen, numbers on your screen, bids on your screen or adpacks on your screen, there's no difference.

[Theseus]

It was always talked about as an option but there have, as far as I am aware, never been any test cases.

My usual comment to this was what if you wanted to sell your 'business' i.e. you have an almost guaranteed value of recurring income. If I wanted to get some quick cash I should be able to easily sell my business to someone else. This is how I would with any other business.

There is no clear provision to do this within Banners Broker, despite what they say. It would seem this is even harder now you cannot sell panels separately.

Essentially now you have two ways out, you either pass/sell everything to someone who you've referred, which they'll be banking (if you'll pardon the pun) on no-one dong as they'd then have to explain, probably to a close family member, why they're cutting and running from a "sure thing", or you take out what you can and walk away from the rest.

Either way the only winner is BB....

[Beethoven]

Has anybody got any idea who is pimping this?


Banners Broker System | Banners Broker System (http://www.bannersbrokersystem.com/)

They are claiming the following:

"I will ensure you make money by tomorrow - Thats a promise" (lie)

"You can start with a moderate amount of money...and quite simply multiply it by two" (surely breaking BB terms?)

"there is no way you can lose" (lie)


"Dont worry if you dont know what a package is or what it contains, All that will be shown to you later. But for now just buy it." :RpS_lol:
:RpS_lol:

Oh, and Coca Cola logo is used

[littleroundman]

Yep,

the "Amin' mentioned on the bottom of the page is:

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4729/yepvv.jpg

[littleroundman]

And, this is the "Lentrica"

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/lentrica.jpg

Lentrica Software (http://www.lentricasoftware.com/)

[Hypanor]

Ah, some posts on Facebook crack me up!
http://www.facebook.com/bannersbrokernetwork

"Mohsin Naseer: hello admin my account has been locked and I've been trying to contact head office from last 2 weeks but no body responding me my user id is arifhs0333 please unlock my account as soon as possible thank you."

"George Dorn: Mohsin, these things don't happen by accident, BB corporate is very careful about such issues and it is very rare that they make mistakes. Have you been saying less than kind things about the company? If so you're account and all earning will have been confiscated per the terms of service. BB corporate has eyes and ears everywhere (the blind network is only blind from the outside) and if you think you can defame this company and still get paid, get lost."

"Mohsin Naseer: george dorn watch your language i haven't use any wrong word for bannersbroker i love this program and advertise this on a single site."

What a quality organisation to be a part of! Isn't this how East Germany used to operate? Maybe Raj et al used to be Stasi?

[Whip]

Here ya go, straight from the horses' mouth.

How to exit from Banners Broker after your 30 days "cooling off period"



See, it's as easy as "withdrawing all funds that are available"

And, if you believe THAT, then you'll believe anything
Of course the magical '30 days' just happens to be when you will no longer be able to dispute it on your credit card.

[EagleOne]

Rather interesting that all BB can do is talk about their "blind network," but in their FAQ section they never mention the words in describing what BB does, and I quote:

"What is Banners Broker?

Banners Broker is an online advertising network that manages the sourcing, publishing and performance tracking of ads that make the connection between advertisers and publishers around the world.

What does Banners Broker do?

We connect advertisers with effective ad space and publishers with the most relevant ads to market on their websites. With an extensive online network consisting of hundreds of thousands of publishers and advertisers from around the world, we help our clients increase sales and earn additional advertising revenue.

What is an online advertising network?

An online advertising network is a pool of website owners (who we refer to as publishers) and businesses who want to participate in online marketing (who we refer to as advertisers). Together, they form a powerful group of companies that connect with one another. On one side of the equation, advertisers find excellent places to advertise, and on the other, publishers find targeted ads to display on their websites.

What is a banner ad?

A banner ad is an online advertisement. It is placed on other companies' websites, and more specifically, on those that relate to the advertiser's business. Our banner ads come in several different sizes:
•Leaderboard (728x90)
•Full Banner (468x60)
•Large Rectangle (336x280)
•Medium Rectangle (300x250)
•Skyscraper (120x600)
•Wide Skyscraper (160x600)
•Square Box (250x250)
•Vertical Banner (120x240)
•Button (125x125)
•Small Rectangle (180x150)

What is an ad impression?

An ad impression is one appearance of an advertisement on a particular web page (i.e. a pageview).

Why should I advertise with Banners Broker?

As the number of worldwide Internet users continues to rise, so does the effectiveness of online advertising. Part of what makes online advertising so lucrative is the fact that, for a minimal cost compared to traditional forms of advertising, it enables you to target your campaign to specific age groups, consumer preferences and geographic regions. But, in order to execute this properly, it is critical that you find the perfect online ad space – a task that can be time consuming and overwhelming. This is where Banners Broker comes in. By advertising with us, you immediately gain access to a network of hundreds of thousands websites from around the world. Once you specify the details of your campaign, we place your advertisements on highly relevant sites that perfectly match your criteria."

The words "blind network" do not appear in What is Banners Broker, What does Banners Broker do, or Why I should advertise with Banners Broker. Guess you could say their FAQ is not telling the truth about what, who and why Banners Broker is about.

[Whip]

It was always talked about as an option but there have, as far as I am aware, never been any test cases.

My usual comment to this was what if you wanted to sell your 'business' i.e. you have an almost guaranteed value of recurring income. If I wanted to get some quick cash I should be able to easily sell my business to someone else. This is how I would with any other business.

There is no clear provision to do this within Banners Broker, despite what they say. It would seem this is even harder now you cannot sell panels separately.

Um, but you are looking at this like it is a real business. It's not. It's a scam.

[Theseus]

Yep,

the "Amin' mentioned on the bottom of the page is:

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4729/yepvv.jpg



2253

hosted by the same company

2254

2255

as is

2256

2257

From what I can gather he is a 20-something self-styled financial guru....

[hendyphilhendy]

Um, but you are looking at this like it is a real business. It's not. It's a scam.

To be honest it is this kind of comment that annoys me here sometimes. It may be straightforward and to the point but adds absolutely nothing to the issue.

I believe Banners Broker is a scam as much as you do; however, when commenting I feel it more appropriate to treat it as if it is were genuine business. That way you can debunk the factors that assumption is based on.

[Hypanor]

Look who has come out of the woodwork:

Come and see our New office In Canada........................

OPPORTUNITY SEMINAR
Whitby
Opportunity Seminar
December 11
Starts At 7:30pm
Raj Dixit Will Be Presenting
Chris Smith Will Be In Attendance
Come See The New Offices Of Stellar Point Inc.

The Canadian Support Center For Banners Broker
5, Carlow Court
Whitby, ON
L1N 9T7

Opportunity Seminar
December 10
Starts At 7:30pm
Holiday Inn Vancouver-Metro Town Burnaby
4405 Central BLVD
Burnaby, BC V5H 4M3
Salon E
With Lorenzo Guarini, VP Of International Brand Ambassadors
And Kurt Kornelsen, National Sales And Marketing Manager
Phone: 1-604-438-1881
--------------------------------

Kurt was involved with BB
Banners Broker - bannersbroker.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&view=findpost&p=7121859#entry7121859)

and prior to that in ICF with Rajiv
ICF-World homes... Scam? (2nd thread) - WORLD Law Direct Forums (http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/internet-hyip-scams/38930-icf-world-homes-scam-2nd-thread.html)

[littleroundman]

The problem here is, Phil, treating a HYIP ponzi like a "real" business is playing into the hands of the professional criminals behind them.

They are not "real" in any sense of the word AND, more importantly, they can make them look like "real" businesses in such a way they can't be "proven" to be frauds without being "inside" with access to the "real" accounts.

They lie, they deceive, they forge.

They are not bound by the rules of "logic" or "evidence" or "proof"

Their "story" can change in an instant.

Prove they're "wrong" and all they have to do is change the "facts" to suit themselves.

Think about it.

Zeek Rewards was "real" enough to get over a MILLION people to "join"

All the "facts" in the world made no difference whatsoever to over a MILLION people.

That's something I learned long, long ago.

It simply doesn't matter what "littleroundman" thinks or anyone on REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) thinks or believes.

It's of no consequence how logical or illogical HYIP ponzi scams may be TO ME.

I'll say again, at the risk of being more boring and longwinded than usual.

Anyone left at this end of a long running HYIP ponzi scam is impervious to "facts" or "logic"

They have been pre qualified and trained to behave EXACTLY as the people behind Banners Broker want.

They're simply "playing" the HYIP, they are shills or they are "true believers"

NONE of what's happening is by accident, NONE OF IT.

On top of which, there's not a damned thing any of them can do about it, even if they wanted to.

Their money has been "trapped" in Banners Broker for months.

Forget about what you see on the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums.

The reality of it is, Banners Broker knows EXACTLY who it needs to selectively pay, and has been doing it for months.

IM(very)HO, based on years of watching the HYIP ponzi "scene" the only way to deal with HYIPs is to treat EVERYTHING about them as being untrue, because anything that IS true is of little or no consequence and included only to satisfy those conducting what passes as being the 'net version of "due diligence"

For example, the recently jailed HYIP ponzi fraudsters' name WAS Andy Bowdoin and his business WAS in Quincy, Florida.

The only problem is, he gave the AdSurf Daily address as being 13S Calhoun St, Quincy, when, in fact, the buildings' previous owner (and Bowdoins' wife) had 12 years earlier listed the buildings' address as being 11S Calhoun St, Quincy

In their original complaint, Federal prosecutors said the 13 S. Calhoun Street address listed for ASD was bogus.

The point being, there IS a building in Calhoun St which housed ASD, the pictures supplied on behalf of AdSurf Daily WERE genuine.

A minor detail, perhaps, except if you were trying to have court documents from another state or country served.

There is only one unbreakable rule when dealing with HYIPs.

Believe NOTHING they say.

Anyone who believed the evidence "of their own eyes" and believed ANYTHING to do with Andy Bowdoin and AdSurf Daily was in for a rude surprise at just how far and how devious HYIP ponzi fraudsters are prepared to go to "fool' their victims.

[Dreamstealer]

Actually i agree with Phil. The only way to sensibly argue against something is to show instances where it doesn't act like it is purporting to be. So saying "the earth isn't a flat lozenge because people can fly around it and have seen it from space" is proving it is not a lozenge not giving credence to the fact that it is a lozenge. If we don't say "if BB was a business they would do this..." then all we are doing is screaming BB is a ponzi but not giving any reasons.

At least by going the first route any potential victims sorry investors in BB would get a chance to see a counterargument.

That said BB is a ponzi.

[Poyol]

"If God existed there wouldn't be any suffering in the world."
"God doesn't exist"

Look at the above statements - which sounds like the better argument?

Jason

[Poyol]

Also, I'm happy about my blog's ranking in Google - even though it does need my name in it too!

Let me google that for you (http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=jason+clark+banners+broker)

[Hypanor]

So back on topic, was Kul Julson, who parted ways with Banners Broker, Kurt Kornelsen?
This was before my BB researching, and relevant videos / links have been removed, but it appears he was one and the same.

All I can find was that Kurt was at one time a director alongside Raj.

Why is he re-appearing on the scene now?

[hendyphilhendy]

The problem here is, Phil, treating a HYIP ponzi like a "real" business is playing into the hands of the professional criminals behind them.

They are not "real" in any sense of the word AND, more importantly, they can make them look like "real" businesses in such a way they can't be "proven" to be frauds without being "inside" with access to the "real" accounts.

They lie, they deceive, they forge.

They are not bound by the rules of "logic" or "evidence" or "proof"

Their "story" can change in an instant.

Prove they're "wrong" and all they have to do is change the "facts" to suit themselves.

Think about it.

Zeek Rewards was "real" enough to get over a MILLION people to "join"

All the "facts" in the world made no difference whatsoever to over a MILLION people.

That's something I learned long, long ago.

It simply doesn't matter what "littleroundman" thinks or anyone on REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) thinks or believes.

It's of no consequence how logical or illogical HYIP ponzi scams may be TO ME.

I'll say again, at the risk of being more boring and longwinded than usual.

Anyone left at this end of a long running HYIP ponzi scam is impervious to "facts" or "logic"

They have been pre qualified and trained to behave EXACTLY as the people behind Banners Broker want.

They're simply "playing" the HYIP, they are shills or they are "true believers"

NONE of what's happening is by accident, NONE OF IT.

On top of which, there's not a damned thing any of them can do about it, even if they wanted to.

Their money has been "trapped" in Banners Broker for months.

Forget about what you see on the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums.

The reality of it is, Banners Broker knows EXACTLY who it needs to selectively pay, and has been doing it for months.

IM(very)HO, based on years of watching the HYIP ponzi "scene" the only way to deal with HYIPs is to treat EVERYTHING about them as being untrue, because anything that IS true is of little or no consequence and included only to satisfy those conducting what passes as being the 'net version of "due diligence"

For example, the recently jailed HYIP ponzi fraudsters' name WAS Andy Bowdoin and his business WAS in Quincy, Florida.

The only problem is, he gave the AdSurf Daily address as being 13S Calhoun St, Quincy, when, in fact, the buildings' previous owner (and Bowdoins' wife) had 12 years earlier listed the buildings' address as being 11S Calhoun St, Quincy

In their original complaint, Federal prosecutors said the 13 S. Calhoun Street address listed for ASD was bogus.

The point being, there IS a building in Calhoun St which housed ASD, the pictures supplied on behalf of AdSurf Daily WERE genuine.

A minor detail, perhaps, except if you were trying to have court documents from another state or country served.

There is only one unbreakable rule when dealing with HYIPs.

Believe NOTHING they say.

Anyone who believed the evidence "of their own eyes" and believed ANYTHING to do with Andy Bowdoin and AdSurf Daily was in for a rude surprise at just how far and how devious HYIP ponzi fraudsters are prepared to go to "fool' their victims.

The point I am making is as Dreamstealer has stated.

The question was asked about BB willable assets. I therefore answered what I knew to the be case according to my understanding. Had I answered - 'it can't be willable or it doesn't matter, it is a scam' that would have been an absolutely pointless response.

[activeone]

Good point Jason,
and not to mention "God helps those who helps themselves".....




"If God existed there wouldn't be any suffering in the world."
"God doesn't exist"

Look at the above statements - which sounds like the better argument?

Jason

[Poyol]

So back on topic, was Kul Julson, who parted ways with Banners Broker, Kurt Kornelsen?
This was before my BB researching, and relevant videos / links have been removed, but it appears he was one and the same.

All I can find was that Kurt was at one time a director alongside Raj.

Why is he re-appearing on the scene now?

Kurt Kornelsen was involved with the ICF World Homes 'business' alongside Raj.

www.LocateFamily.com - Locate the Kurt E Kornelsen family in St Catharines Ontario Canada L2N 4A3 (http://www.locatefamily.com/K/Koolwine_to_Koshkoye-Delshad/Korndorfer_to_Kornosz/Kornelsen/Kornelsen_Kurt_E_on2273301.html)

[Mundorf]

If something is offered and jet you can not have it or consummate in any sense,what is it?Why all the farce?Imagine someone opens book shop called "Publishers & Advertisers" but nobody buys the books offered there because they are to expencive and have no value or whatever.And jet the shop makes million $ transactions monthly.Is it just a farce or is highly forbidden activity by the law?Bak to BB.
The fact is that there are no advertisers nor publishers using BB service in last 2 years - and those few who used it are.let's be polite and say,not happy about it.So if the company whose only business is advertising is not attracting buyers, users at all,still makes a fortune monthly then THIS FACT should be and must be the biggest proof of BB false presentation and to my opinion,more then enough the law get need to investigate them

[AshKen1]

So back on topic, was Kul Julson, who parted ways with Banners Broker, Kurt Kornelsen?
This was before my BB researching, and relevant videos / links have been removed, but it appears he was one and the same.

All I can find was that Kurt was at one time a director alongside Raj.

Why is he re-appearing on the scene now?

Guess they need all the staff they can get with the surge of business that has recently arrived? Interesting question you pose though.

Has anyone any further information about the mystery investor of the 8 million/gazillion panels? Not sure he'll be too chuffed when he finds he can't withdraw the money to his wonderful BB card. Not even a gold or platinum one either.

[Poyol]

Guess they need all the staff they can get with the surge of business that has recently arrived? Interesting question you pose though.

Has anyone any further information about the mystery investor of the 8 million/gazillion panels? Not sure he'll be too chuffed when he finds he can't withdraw the money to his wonderful BB card. Not even a gold or platinum one either.

Sheikh something-or-other.

Jason

[AshKen1]

Sheikh something-or-other.

Jason

Yes - that's the one! All gone very quiet on that point hasn't it?

Just picked this little gem up on the BB Network on Facebook in response to the new rule on transferring panels:

Lucky Butt "free accounts means if they dont buy any package and just working as money laundering"
9 hours ago · Like

Never a truer word.....??

[Theseus]

Make of this what you will....

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[AshKen1]

Good point Jason,
and not to mention "God helps those who helps themselves".....

Now does that one come before or after You shall not steal?

[AshKen1]

And on talkgold - have a look at #1395 which was posted this week.

BannersBroker - BannersBroker.com - Page 140 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310809&page=140)

[littleroundman]

Once again I point out,

It doesn't matter what I think.

It doesn't matter how illogical I think a HYIP is.

I doesn't matter what I believe.

Has anyone here on REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) ever looked at a Nigerian scam email and thought it was in any way "real" ????

SOMEBODY did.

SOMEBODYS' reality is different than mine.

SOMEBODY needs something other than logical "proof" and MY definition of "facts"

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4849/419j.gif

I would hope REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) remains kind of forum where there's room for all kinds of "somebodys" to come and receive help and advice, no matter the level of THEIR understanding.

[Theseus]

Kurt Kornelsen was involved with the ICF World Homes 'business' alongside Raj.

www.LocateFamily.com - Locate the Kurt E Kornelsen family in St Catharines Ontario Canada L2N 4A3 (http://www.locatefamily.com/K/Koolwine_to_Koshkoye-Delshad/Korndorfer_to_Kornosz/Kornelsen/Kornelsen_Kurt_E_on2273301.html)

Do you know for certain that's the same person? I can find more than one individual of that name (without the middle initial) in that area....

[Poyol]

Welcome to ICF World Homes
www.icfworldhomes.com/d.cgi/kk1072/index-01.phpShare Kurt E Kornelsen would like to welcome and thank you for the opportunity to share a new company concept with you. ICF World Homes Inc.'s mission is to ...

I just did a Google search on that exact parameter and it came up with just the one person.
I can do some more in-depth searching but that was just a feeler.
When can we ever be 100% certain it's the right person?

Jason

[Theseus]

I just did a Google search on that exact parameter and it came up with just the one person.
I can do some more in-depth searching but that was just a feeler.
When can we ever be 100% certain it's the right person?

Jason

If you have enough corroborating evidence then you can, however just because the name and middle initial are the same doesn't necessarily mean it's the same person, it could be his father or a cousin or just a pure coincidence (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/10/internet-scary-place-people-common-names/43586/)...

[Poyol]

If you have enough corroborating evidence then you can, however just because the name and middle initial are the same doesn't necessarily mean it's the same person, it could be his father or a cousin or just a pure coincidence (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/10/internet-scary-place-people-common-names/43586/)...

Is Kurt E Kornelson a common name?

Jason

[Joe_Shmoe]

Damm! these computer glitches causing more problems.
So the Banners Broker IT bods did some maintenance & lost "some" files
Idiots.

Where was the IT genius Chris Smith when this was happening?

:RpS_rolleyes:
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[Theseus]

Is Kurt E Kornelson a common name?

Jason


I don't know, but I found several (without the initial) in the local area, one or more of those could also be "Kurt E".....

[Theseus]

Damm! these computer glitches causing more problems.
So the Banners Broker IT bods did some maintenance & lost "some" files
Idiots.

Where was the IT genius Chris Smith when this was happening?




Downstairs, changing the oil on a 1998 Toyota Camry :RpS_wink:

[Poyol]

Downstairs, changing the oil on a 1998 Toyota Camry :RpS_wink:

Um, nightly back-ups are done in even the smallest companies.
So ... Banners Broker why don't you?

Jason

[AshKen1]

@ LRM

I wanted to respond to your long posts on the realities of scams/ponzis.

From my point of view, I know that I see BB quite clearly now. However, and it is a big however, it took me quite a while (long time) to get my head round all the different aspects of what was being presented to me. The "facts" - the next "steps" - the uncanny accuracy of information from those of you who have been down this route before continue to be really quite shocking. I suppose the main thing that appals me is the venality of those who know it's a scam/ponzi and continue to rip people off regardless.

Debunking all the "information" provided by BB (and some of its affiliates) takes time to understand. I don't think I really quite grasp that it really is a load of bunkum and try to answer in a rational manner. I am only human after all. More fool me for trying to make sense of it I guess, but I can see the value in discussing questions as they arise.

I accept that I am extremely naive in the workings of ponzi schemes generally. I hope that by taking the nonsense apart on here that it may help someone to re-evaluate their decision to be involved in BB. Obviously, there are those who will never change their minds as they have been blinded by all the shiny stuff. But maybe, just maybe, the trickle of argument may help some.

There is also a sense of frustration that things in BB are not falling apart. Surely, I say to myself, it's time for it all to come crashing down - again my naivety. I named BB as a "shapeshifter" recently and I think that is quite accurate - it seems to morph into something different every time it is talked about. Bit like mist, you can't really get a hold of it. Also, I think I still hold on to the belief (rapidly diminishing) that some of the things that BB says may actually be true.

I am not apologizing for anything I've contributed on here, apart from my abysmal maths lol, and I will keep nitpicking to debunk the cr*p as it comes along. The reality of it is, I have never before faced something that I think is quite as evil as this.

[Hypanor]

Banners Broker Test Questions
Algarve, Portugal convention – Sunday, July 8th, 2012

3. Q: What is an online advertising network?
A: Banners Broker – renting ad space from our network of over 200,000 publishers

Sure...


And here's some names for posterity:

...Claudia Santos, Independent Contractor for Portugal
...congratulate all of our Independent Contractors from all over the world for doing such a wonderful job. A big thank-you to all of you that attended the conventions in Algarve, Portugal - Ayub Ali, Lorenzo Guarini, Roman and Vanessa, Dirk Dhondt and Rehuel Siemons, Rinaldo Mercedes, Roco Shouna, Christelle Mailli, Janine Wahlen and Hennes, Fraser Douther, Ana Onofre and Edney, Hana Shuster and Benny Rockah, Paul Mccarthy, Gianluigi Binori, Mateusz Guzda, Piotr Nastalek, Claudia Santos, Neale Pocock, Marlon Modeste and Ephraim Hespodales, and Ian Driscoll.
...Christelle Mailli is our newest Independent Contractor and she will be looking after France!
...Looks like there will be a competition between Mr. Rinaldo Mercedes (Dominican Republic) and Mr. Marlon Modeste (Trinidad)

...Paul Mccarthy won Independent Contractor of the year (pfft!)

...And now for our Millionaires. Congratulations to Simon Stepsys, Juliusjack Julius, Richard Weals, Amisa Ameen Patel, Immi Imran Nauth, Jaya Bodele, Benjamin Douglas, Derek Overington, Aarun Nasar A Shah, Dilipmain D Dabrai, Jose Lourenco, John Barrett, Jonathan Harris, Basel Sharaf, Elke Waszmann, and Ruairi Kelly.

[Poyol]

Sheikh Immi Imran Nauth is supposedly the guy who owns 8 million panels.

Jason

[Poyol]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151321886330993&set=a.10150698627625993.456710.522280992&type=1&theater
This is Rajkumar Dixit's Facebook he's a friend of Kurt Kornelson - who's a friend or Raj Dixit.

Jason

[Hypanor]

...And now for our Millionaires. Congratulations to Simon Stepsys, Juliusjack Julius, Richard Weals, Amisa Ameen Patel, Immi Imran Nauth, Jaya Bodele, Benjamin Douglas, Derek Overington, Aarun Nasar A Shah, Dilipmain D Dabrai, Jose Lourenco, John Barrett, Jonathan Harris, Basel Sharaf, Elke Waszmann, and Ruairi Kelly.

Picking a name at random - Derek Overington (I think he's had a mention here at some time). His LinkedIn page (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/derek-overington/19/527/829) lists him as Team Leader at BB UK. He has two blogs listed, To Good to Mention (http://togoodtomention.com) and Blogging-Income. (http://blogging-income.com)

Obviously BB is too good to mention on the first site, even though it is implied that he has become a miliionaire through the business. Just about every type of ad service you can name, but no BB banners or mention.

The blogging income site does however have some typical BB banners on it. But try clicking on any of them, and an error occurs "An error has occurred: The Portal BBTDel could not be found in the system". Interestingly, the advert is being tracked by TRAXad.com - Ad Tracker - Rotator (http://traxad.com/) who are a small outfit with a terrible website, based in Canada. Not to be confused with Trax Ads - Solo Ads, Banner Advertising, Text Ads, Website Advertising, Text Advertising (http://www.traxads.com/) who look suspiciously similar in operation to BB (this site has been registered since 2008).

And Derek is a UK Team Leader...! What hope do the lesser mortals have if Derek can't get it to work on his own sites.

Other banners on his blog work, its only the BB ones that don't. As the world-famous-in-Australia Effie would say - "How Embarrasment"

[samuel.r]

The Canadian Support Center For Banners Broker
5, Carlow Court
Whitby, ON
L1N 9T7

So, is this the new big building that Chris Smith purchased? Odd, when researching all the top real estate sites for Ontario, it doesn't come up as having been listed for sale. Must have been a private deal with no marketing or sales effort on record.

Well, within a few weeks the new ownership records should be on file with the local government so it would be pretty easy to check on the title history of that building. I'm sure someone from BB will post that information up, to prove that they actually do own this building. By the looks of it, it should have sold for at least $2M to $3M USD so this is a huge deal for BB if it is true. I would imagine that a ponzi scheme would not want to have that kind of asset on record so this would be a great credibility boost for them once they publish the details of the purchase.

[Hypanor]

I found this picture of Derek, using a belt to hold his brain in.

http://ferdyonfilms.com/Bad%20Taste%202.JPG

But then I remembered I'd seen it before, its 'Derek' from one of Peter Jacksons very early films, Bad Taste.
Which is what many BB victims have in their mouth!

[Theseus]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151321886330993&set=a.10150698627625993.456710.522280992&type=1&theater
This is Rajkumar Dixit's Facebook he's a friend of Kurt Kornelson - who's a friend or Raj Dixit.

Jason


That's an odd one, as it's obviously not the same guy, however he gives his occupation as "a pastor at New Hope Adventist Church", and the email address that Raj Dixit used in that discussion re his ex wife, raj@tbog.net shows up as belonging to an alumni of the Southwestern Adventist University (http://www.swau.edu/alumni-friends/alumni-directory.html)

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[Poyol]

That's an odd one, as it's obviously not the same guy, however he gives his occupation as "a pastor at New Hope Adventist Church", and the email address that Raj Dixit used in that discussion re his ex wife, raj@tbog.net shows up as belonging to an alumni of the Southwestern Adventist University (http://www.swau.edu/alumni-friends/alumni-directory.html)

2261

Exactly, not the same guy - yet there are links.

What do you make of it?

Jason

[Poyol]

TbOg.net - TBOG - The Business Opportunity Group (http://whois.domaintools.com/tbog.net)

Domain Name: TBOG.NET

Registration Service Provided By: SIBERNAME.COM
Contact: +1.8006138915

Registrant:
Dixit Consulting
Rajiv Dixit ()
100 King Street W, Suite 5700
Toronto
ON,M5X1C7
CA
Tel. +1.9054095583

Creation Date: 02-Jun-2005
Expiration Date: 02-Jun-2018

Domain servers in listed order:
ns3021.hostgator.com
ns3022.hostgator.com

Administrative Contact:
Dixit Consulting
Rajiv Dixit ()
100 King Street W, Suite 5700
Toronto
ON,M5X1C7
CA
Tel. +1.9054095583

Status:ACTIVE

Technical Contact: Dixit Consulting
Rajiv Dixit ()
100 King Street W, Suite 5700
Toronto
ON,M5X1C7
CA
Tel. +1.9054095583

Which is a virtual office address.

Jason

[Hypanor]

Exactly, not the same guy - yet there are links.

What do you make of it?

Jason

They're family somehow. Raj is listed as a friend of Rajkumar.
Raj's facebook page http://www.facebook.com/therajivdixit

[Poyol]

They're family somehow. Raj is listed as a friend of Rajkumar.
Raj's facebook page http://www.facebook.com/therajivdixit

I know, I posted that.
I also posted Gloria's Facebook.

Jason

[Hypanor]

December 12, 2012 | Updates |

Account disruptions, Ireland and withdrawals.

Banners Broker's Support updates:

Directly from support:

"Please be advised that at this moment we are working on our ID manager tool. At this moment you will be unable to upload or re-upload your ID's and proofs of address until further notice. Please be patient as we work on restoring the tool. You may receive an error message on your dashboard stating to re-upload your ID, if you are getting this message please provide us with your username and email address so we can remove this message from your dashboard."



If you notice anything that doesn't look right then just leave it that way and contact support! There were some panels that "vanished", missing traffic etc. Do not be worried, the technical team is aware of all these issues and will resolve them as soon as possible.

Please be patient while they fix it. Try not to load tickets on the support, let them resolve the problems.

Last webinar's updates:

- Money transfers:

SolidTrustPay: withdrawals made prior to the 5th of December, will be transferred until the 25th. There is a 6 week delay with STP withdrawals and the company is working hard to complete the missing gaps. Some security and certificating issues caused this delay. If it was up to Banners Broker only, all withdrawals were completed much faster.



All withdrawals made or will be made prior to the 14th December, will be completed and transferred until the 25th.

Banners Broker is aware that Christmas is up ahead and are trying to complete all withdrawals prior to the 25th.

- ID / Address / notarized approvals:

Notarized and ID approvals- BB is trying its best to clear the gaps made lately. Hopefully all will be approved / updated until the 1st January.

If your ID document / address document is not in English, you will have to provide a notarized approval (just print the PDF which is found in your back office -> Account -> Personal information).

Important- the offices will be closed between the 22/12 – 2/1 (holiday).



Another important subject:

Accounts going to negative!

Please be aware that soon BB will start reducing your monthly admin fee from your e-wallets. We don’t know yet when they will retroactively upon missing fees the last few months, so we suggest that you keep a sum in your e-wallet in order to prevent going into the negative.

If you see that you can't prevent going into the negative, don’t worry! You have 6 weeks to close it! Just set your re-purchase setting to 50% and your future revenue should be enough to fix it.



Banners Broker - Ireland convention:

A lot of new things were announced at the Banners Broker convention in Ireland!

Great news! There are over 250,000 people affiliated with Banners Broker.



Banners Broker's support and staff are being upgraded! They are hiring people to strengthen the company's support. So from now on, you will see the live help, live 24/7! Besides that, all of the ID and Address documents will be checked and approved / disapproved. The company moves to a new building, in order to populate its staff growth.

New category in the e-Wallet: 'Funding Logs' (shows your funding history).

[Poyol]

Just checked Live Chat - it's not working at the moment.

Jason

[Hypanor]

I know, I posted that.
I also posted Gloria's Facebook.

Jason

Not quite, you posted Rajkumars facebook.

What link are you trying to establish? They are both Adventists, Rajkumar is a pastor in Maryland, and Raj attended an Adventist Uni in Texas.
Presumably cousins or something. Lets not drag family into this unnecessarily.

[Poyol]

Not quite, you posted Rajkumars facebook.

What link are you trying to establish? They are both Adventists, Rajkumar is a pastor in Maryland, and Raj attended an Adventist Uni in Texas.
Presumably cousins or something. Lets not drag family into this unnecessarily.

http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index60.html#post31883

Gloria and Raj are the directors of Stellar Point. So, that family connection is allowed.
Rajkumar has a similar name - I was asking for opinions.

Jason

[samuel.r]

Anyone know why BB is using a free "for personal or hobbyist use" advertising platform linkage with OpenX?

ox-d.bannersbroker.com

Free ad server and ad management tools for publishers | OpenX (http://www.openx.com/publishers/community-ad-server)

[Poyol]

Anyone know why BB is using a free "for personal or hobbyist use" advertising platform linkage with OpenX?

ox-d.bannersbroker.com

Free ad server and ad management tools for publishers | OpenX (http://www.openx.com/publishers/community-ad-server)

Nice find, Sam.
Contacted OpenX?

Jason

[samuel.r]

Yes, I politely asked them how they felt about being added to our roster of enablers. Everyone gets a fair chance to think things over...

edit: credit, if we are keeping score, goes to Jools on this one - she sent me down the path to unlayer the new nifty advertising that recently showed up on the choice network sites. It was a hop, skip and short jump to OpenX from there ;-)

[Theseus]

Exactly, not the same guy - yet there are links.

What do you make of it?

Jason


They're family somehow. Raj is listed as a friend of Rajkumar.
Raj's facebook page http://www.facebook.com/therajivdixit


Not quite, you posted Rajkumars facebook.

What link are you trying to establish? They are both Adventists, Rajkumar is a pastor in Maryland, and Raj attended an Adventist Uni in Texas.
Presumably cousins or something. Lets not drag family into this unnecessarily.


http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index60.html#post31883

Gloria and Raj are the directors of Stellar Point. So, that family connection is allowed.
Rajkumar has a similar name - I was asking for opinions.

Jason

I agree with Hyp, probably cousins, but I don't see any link between Rajkumar and Stellar/BB other than by blood, so no point in going any further down that line.

Out of interest, according to Raj's ex-brother-in-law Gloria is his common-law wife, do we have a surname/maiden name for her? A PM will do if anyone has it...

[Theseus]

Yes, I politely asked them how they felt about being added to our roster of enablers. Everyone gets a fair chance to think things over...

Do you have instantpresenter.com on your list?

[Whip]

To be honest it is this kind of comment that annoys me here sometimes. It may be straightforward and to the point but adds absolutely nothing to the issue.

I believe Banners Broker is a scam as much as you do; however, when commenting I feel it more appropriate to treat it as if it is were genuine business. That way you can debunk the factors that assumption is based on.
And I find it misleading to the innocent people researching that don't know it's not a 'business'.
If it had been pointed out before you joined that it was a blatant scam, you would have still joined?
Clearly you did join because you were led to believe it was a legitimate business.

[Poyol]

And I find it misleading to the innocent people researching that don't know it's not a 'business'.
If it had been pointed out before you joined that it was a blatant scam, you would have still joined?
Clearly you did join because you were led to believe it was a legitimate business.

Let's simmer the bickering for a moment - or maybe longer.

J

[Whip]

Let's simmer the bickering for a moment - or maybe longer.

J

Ignore the point all you want. It's still the point.
Why would we keep pretending this is a legitimate business, especially you two that have been ripped off, if you are trying to warn other people and try to keep them from losing?
I mean, that is your stated goal right in this very thread isn't it?

[Poyol]

Whip,

There are ways to go about things.
Nobody is pretending it's a real business - people are hypothetically treating it like a real business to point out the real-life differences.

There is no need to be so pugnacious about the matter.

Jason

[Poyol]

I don't believe in God.
But when debating God I say things like:

"If God were real he'd me down where I stand."

As opposed to:

"God isn't real. God isn't real. God isn't real."

Jason

[scratchycat]

Don't know where that is going but God is real.

Bannersbroker is not a business but if it helps to call it that in the forums, do use what means work.

[Poyol]

Don't know where that is going but God is real.

Bannersbroker is not a business but if it helps to call it that in the forums, do use what means work.

Scratchy,

Probably one reason why we don't have religious debates but there is no 100% evidence for or against God!

Jason

[AshKen1]

Anyone know why BB is using a free "for personal or hobbyist use" advertising platform linkage with OpenX?

ox-d.bannersbroker.com

Free ad server and ad management tools for publishers | OpenX (http://www.openx.com/publishers/community-ad-server)

Hands up, I know nothing about this at all: way too technical for me. All I will say is that the website looks extremely professional, clearly signposted etc etc etc. Clearly people who know what they are doing ;)

Maybe somebody is doing some homework???

[Jerrygo]

well they must have enough money by now, (even from the money stolen from all those blocked accounts) to hire a professional. It has always amazed me how amateurish their websites and banners are. Even their main website is down as often as it is up. And they try to compare themselves to google lol. I think Paul McCarthy must be the webmaster up untill now.

[Jerrygo]

Damm! these computer glitches causing more problems.
So the Banners Broker IT bods did some maintenance & lost "some" files
Idiots.

Where was the IT genius Chris Smith when this was happening?

:RpS_rolleyes:
2260

My guess is that these "lost files" are a convenience. To get them over the Xmas period, with an alibi for not paying out.

[Alkibone]

Banners Broker Review : More Money Review (http://www.moremoneyreview.com/banners-broker-review-15264.html/comment-page-1#comment-26049)

"Ok, here’s the truth about Banners Broker. I have made 10k since March 2012 with a £850 investment. I can prove this with Bank statements etc. I am so confident with Banners Broker that I have personally financed all my team members so they are making money with no investment. If you want proof, more information or anything else Banners Broker email me ** Deleted by mod – don’t post personal email addresses here. If anyone wants to contact you they can contact the office and we will put you in touch**. At the end of the day….. If you are not putting your own money in then you are not risking anything."

I'm just going to post a reply on that thread, LOL!

[AshKen1]

My guess is that these "lost files" are a convenience. To get them over the Xmas period, with an alibi for not paying out.

Jerrygo.... you will be delighted to learn that they've also purged the ticket system for being helped as well. So you have to resubmit... oh what the heck, here are the actual words!

"Due to the number of duplicate tickets in our system, all unanswered tickets older than 14 days have been purged from the system. We apologize for the inconvenience and delay this may have caused you. If your ticket has not been resolved and you do not have a ticket submitted in the system already, please submit a new support ticket. Moving forward, please remember to respond to your existing tickets for any ongoing issues rather than opening new ones, as this will prevent delays in handling issues which may already have been resolved in another ticket, and allow us to process unsolved tickets as soon as possible."

I hope you've got that clear? For some strange reason it reminds me of this:

Marx Brothers - The Contract Scene - Chico and Groucho - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u8AgUXPpLM)

Hope that'll put a smile on your face :)

[Alkibone]

Here's my reply:

"craigasav, that’s nothing. I’ve made £53,677 since August 3rd with a $25 investment. I can prove this with bank statements AND a certified letter from my accountant. What’s more, I personally financed every single member of my village, and now they’re all on track to collect over £50,000 each, too, with no investment on their part.

If you want proof, come down to **Deleted by mod – don’t post personal villages** and ask any of the locals."

[Poyol]

Here's my reply:

"craigasav, that’s nothing. I’ve made £53,677 since August 3rd with a $25 investment. I can prove this with bank statements AND a certified letter from my accountant. What’s more, I personally financed every single member of my village, and now they’re all on track to collect over £50,000 each, too, with no investment on their part.

If you want proof, come down to **Deleted by mod – don’t post personal villages** and ask any of the locals."

Is that it? I've made £12,000,000 since August with a $100 investment - I asked for Banners Broker not to mention me as I was worried about all the people wanting money.

If you want proof ask my bank!

[BB Defender]

There are fools on this thread speaking out of their backsides, moaning about bb being a ponzi scheme, yet they have no evidence to back their spiteful statements. Bannersbroker is a business opportunity, you buy and you sell impressions, its the simplest of business models "Buy in bulk and sell on in smaller quantities with a markup" hey presto you make a profit. Furthermore the level of profit is simple for every $20 dollars you spend buying the panels and the traffic you make $7.50 this equates to 37.5 % profit margin. This is typical throughout the business world so why do you surface scratchers think it is an unreasonably high level of profit?. The amount of profit greedy google have made in 14 years has shot them into the history books, all they ever sold were impressions and that's what bannersbroker affiliates are buying and selling. Bannersbroker buy the impressions in bulk from the blind network ad exchange through on e of the brokers that controls the marketplace, and then sell the afiiliates smaller units of impressions through the same mechanism. The process of buying in bulk and reselling in smaller units makes money. Furthermore why is affiliate marketing a crime when bannersbroker do it but not when google, amazon, ebay, facebook and so many other top internet companies do it. Bannersbroker ask their affiliates to refer new people so that their network of affiliates grows, making them bigger and stronger in the marketplace of online advertising. If you have concrete evidence that bannersbroker is a ponzi scheme then you had better show this, otherwise the legal team at bannersbroker will be summoning you to court for scandalising a ligitimate business. Good luck in court to all of you surface scratching liars.

[noname999]

Wow defender...why didn't you speak earlier?? The whole mystery has been solved.

[Jerrygo]

ah the same old vague nonsense. Go and read some of posts on this thread to explain why it is a ponzi. And as for comparing bb to google, amazon, ebay, facebook . Give us a break. None of those companies would block accounts and steal the money within those accounts. And they actually have a verifiable product. And they can keep their websites running...... bb and google lol. Chalk and cheese

[Joe_Shmoe]

Wow defender...why didn't you speak earlier?? The whole mystery has been solved.


Where do I sign up? :RpS_rolleyes:

[Jerrygo]

I wonder if he really believes that stuff he is spouting? Or is it an attempt at damage limitation, or what?

[noname999]

What he is spouting doesn't even make sense. If he is too lazy to read back over the FACTS that have been given, I'm sure not going to waste my time showing him how wrong he is.

[AshKen1]

There are fools on this thread speaking out of their backsides, moaning about bb being a ponzi scheme, yet they have no evidence to back their spiteful statements....... Good luck in court to all of you surface scratching liars.

Hi BB Defender and welcome to realscam. I took the liberty of shortening your statement, for which I apologise.

I hope you will appreciate that this is a forum where we accept everyone who pops in regardless of the viewpoint. But, as you will have noticed, some people are liable to be shot down. However, I hope you will stick around and educate us all in the mysteries of BB as well as be educated on the kind of business you are in.

:)

[buckyuk]

Surface scratching liars eh.

Maybe if a few more people just scratched the surface we wouldnt have hundreds of thousands of people being sucked into one of biggest ponzis of the decade

[Joe_Shmoe]

Bannersbroker buy the impressions in bulk from the blind network ad exchange through on e of the brokers that controls the marketplace,

Which one?

[samuel.r]

you make $7.50 this equates to 37.5 % profit margin. This is typical throughout the business world so why do you surface scratchers think it is an unreasonably high level of profit?.

It took me 10 seconds to find this:

Day 161 Now in Profit on Banners Broker (http://www.bannersbrokerstrategy.com/2012/10/day-161-now-in-profit-on-banners-broker/)

This is typical when any BB affiliates talk about their earnings. This person put $1,070 into BB in May and their total earnings by October was $10,765. So they experienced a return on investment of $9,675 -- or 906%. Annualized, that is 2,176%

I can find you dozens of other examples of this, including YouTube videos and sales pitches from various "independent contractors".

So, how exactly do you explain all of this actual evidence from screen shots of dashboards, and enthusiastic bloggers proclaiming "zero risk" and "pure profit from here on out" -- when you and the rest of the BB apologists are now trying to downplay this by saying "hey, we only make $7.50 and it takes a couple of weeks to make that...this is no big deal"?

The truth of the matter is that the investment returns are beyond normal, for an activity that the participant spends exactly zero hours per year on direct sales and never sees much less touches the "product".

I'd love to hear your defense of this.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Oh! BBDefender

Check out the link that samuel.r has in his signature. Ten FACTS about Banners Broker - potential investors must read (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index52.html#post31224)

[AshKen1]

As a follow up to samuel.r's post above, this was in the comments (underneath the post that details the returns)

"I was just wondering if you were part of talkingbb.com?

On the talkingbb forum administrators and Ian driscoll have stated that banners broker is not longer allowed to be used in domain names, and suggests we all adopt alternative domain names. I also believe screen shots of your banners broker ewallet is no longer allowed, which was brought up on last fridays Q&A webinar.

As banners broker are currently working hard to make sure they are compliant and are locking accounts of affiliates who are not changing with them, I just wanted to let you know in case you hadnt seen this information.

Thanks"

There in plain sight is the dictat that you can't use banners broker in domain names.... Anyone care to comment?

[Joe_Shmoe]

If you have concrete evidence that bannersbroker is a ponzi scheme then you had better show this, otherwise the legal team at bannersbroker will be summoning you to court for scandalising a ligitimate business. Good luck in court to all of you surface scratching liars.

I for one can't wait, however if the Banners Broker legal team is as slow as Banners Broker themselves are at paying out or giving refunds, I fear we may have a long wait.

Tell 'em to get a move on will you?

[noname999]

What legal firm are representing BB?

[samuel.r]

What legal firm are representing BB?

Great question. BB, now with 265,000 members and cashflow of $40M per month must have one of the big name firms on a short leash.

Typically this would show up in a corporate press release, or in an email to affiliates.

[activeone]

Welcome to the forum of the 'bottom-feeders', BB Defender....
Have fun defending BB, you're amongst a crowd of truly hard-core cyber terrorists here hell bent on bringing down BB with their Ponzi claims. You see, these people have nothing better to do with their time than scour the internet for any dirt they can dig up on BB, and anybody they find the be involved in any way with the company. Got to give these people credit for their dedication and tenacity, that's for sure, and to their credit they actually make some valid points.

It's like trying to defend and justify your belief in a God, for example, on an atheists' site, or jumping on this facebook page http://www.facebook.com/SayYesAustralia and argue that Australia's introduction of a Carbon Tax this year will do nothing to combat climate change that's measurable or noticeable. The difference between that facebook page and this forum, however is when you present enough facts to them, they get upset and ban you from the page (so you can't post comments).

The similarities with the style of arguments are strikingly similar, pro-carbon tax / climate change proponents argue that a country like Australia which produces less than 1.5% of the world's CO2 emissions will make a difference on a global scale despite China, USA and India for example (which together emit about 50% of global CO2) not taking a similar initiative, by taxing carbon, because a bunch of scientists say so.

Similarly here, a bunch of wannabe detectives make a sometimes plausible argument that BB might be a Ponzi with patchy evidence, claims and findings. Who knows, they might be right, but it's a long shot that'll eventually be settled in a court of law. Time will tell.

From my own extensive personal due diligence, I doubt whether BB is a Ponzi as such. There could be "Ponzi elements" in the whole scheme, but anything to suggest this is pure speculation until we got to see their concise and audited financials, and I doubt whether BB management's going to flop open their books to a bunch of proper auditors to justify themselves to a bunch of bottom feeders hell bent on bringing the company down, so until that happens, there's no concrete proof either way. Remember Amway was labelled a scam, it's only when it went through the courts, they were declared a proper legal business and BB will most likely need to cross that bridge, but whether this will shut up the bottom feeders here remains to be seen, depends on whether they have something big enough to wrap their laughing gear around.

BTW: By "ponzi elements" i mean that both advertising revenue as well as funds from new members joining go in the same money pot, which pays the bills, affiliate payout requests and other business operating costs. The company would definetly be a ponzi if new member signups stopped, or even stalled significantly, and there wasn't enough money around to 1. keep the business going, and 2. pay affiliates their requested withdrawals.

There are some little red flags waving around judging from the number of people who are experiencing some significant delays in receiving their payments, whether that's funding problems through external processors such as STP/Payza, or liquidity problems is pure speculation either way. I personally know of both people who are usually paid on time (and amounts in the 4-figures), but I also know of people who are finding it, let's say challenging, to get money out of them. What I can confirm is there are far fewer hassles with withdrawal requests to the BB prepaid mastercard, than to external providers, however that doesn't make them a ponzi, nor does that prove they're legit either. Pure speculation.

What is not pure speculation is BB's level of customer service and how accessible the company is by its affiliates. Leaves a lot to be desired to say the least. Things have improved from my own personal experiences and observations, however others' experiences have not been as positive to say the least.

Where I stand with BB is very passive, about 4 months ago, I joined up with a blue package and spent a few hundred dollars in additional panels over a month or so, by way of a small number of small re-loads around the $100 mark to add some more panels and traffic packs to my inventory. The amount of money I put in would be about the same amount of $$ I'd spend on a good night out clubbing Surfers or at the casino, or at the track on a Saturday. In other words I've taken a punt with BB, a bit of a gamble, and since my "investment" in the scheme would represent perhaps 10% of my average weekly earnings in what I do for a living, I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it. The original plan was for me to see how this thing goes for 6 months, and then start my recruiting efforts to build a BB team, which currently is 1 single freebie random that somehow managed to find my site and sign up (as a free member), he's located in the Philippines and just wanted to take a look around. Still on my referral list as a freebie.

Because of the way things have panned out, site problems, payment problems, etc, my original 6 month plan has been extended to 9, perhaps 12 months. The whole idea of this is that, from a recruiting perspective, I'd be able to provide proof to the prospect, that you can actually make a profit that's real and withdrawable without ever recruiting a single person into the business.

To this date, I haven't yet made any withdrawal request, but that day is still a month or two away, as my account isn't liquid enough to be able to do this. As soon as I roll up the next bunch of blue panels to make (and qualify) a green panel, that would be my 5th green panel, and from #1 to #5 they're spaced about 3 weeks apart. My calculations suggest that I should be able to do a withdrawal request of about $400 to $500 by the end of January, perhaps mid-february. Not that a successful withdrawal earns the big tick of approval, just a little one in my book, depends also how long they take.

The litmus test will be how well the company's going to be doing over the next 3-6 months, as far as I'm concerned, or whether the bottom feeders were in fact correct with their assertions that BB is in fact a Ponzi.

My advice for anybody contemplating joining or not, is
1. do your own due diligence
2. only put into it what you can afford to lose, consider it more like a gamble that MAY pay off, rather than an investment you're hoping to rely on to pay your bills. There's a lady on one of the BB skype forums enquiring about how she would fund $45k into BB. THAT in my book is just plain insane (unless she's a multi-millionaire and $45k is just loose change). I say if anything, if there's a little bit of doubt, take a punt with a couple of $100 or so, but only if you won't lose any sleep over losing it, should the unthinkable happen.
3. Keep an open mind and look at both sides of the BB story, there are some compelling arguments made from both sides, and both are speculative by nature backed with very little facts... from both sides.

I hope this helps.

[noname999]

@activeone: What legal firm are representing BB?

[activeone]

Companies such as Avon, Tupperware and many major MLM companies also won't allow you to use their company names as part of your domains. It's common practise to prevent somebody from getting the impression that a particular website is a company website or an affiliates'
They're also fussy about how their logos and images are used on business cards, brochures, and websites for the same reason. It must be clear to a prospective customer or affiliate that the affiliate's webpage, advertisement or business card shows clearly that they are an independent affiliate of that company, and not an official representative (or employee).


As a follow up to samuel.r's post above, this was in the comments (underneath the post that details the returns)

"I was just wondering if you were part of talkingbb.com?

On the talkingbb forum administrators and Ian driscoll have stated that banners broker is not longer allowed to be used in domain names, and suggests we all adopt alternative domain names. I also believe screen shots of your banners broker ewallet is no longer allowed, which was brought up on last fridays Q&A webinar.

As banners broker are currently working hard to make sure they are compliant and are locking accounts of affiliates who are not changing with them, I just wanted to let you know in case you hadnt seen this information.

Thanks"

There in plain sight is the dictat that you can't use banners broker in domain names.... Anyone care to comment?

[noname999]

@activeone: What legal firm represent BB?

[activeone]

No idea. If I was owner or co-owner I'd choose one of the biggest - like Baker & McKenzie, after all BB reckons they're legit, and all cashed up, so why not use the best? My 2nd choice would be Slaughter and May 'cause I just love that name. Slaughter !!!! how cool. We have a local legal firm called Short Punch & grigatorix , short punch, bam!


@activeone: What legal firm are representing BB?

[noname999]

Can you find out?

(Slaughter and May is class!)

[Joe_Shmoe]

No idea. If I was owner or co-owner I'd choose one of the biggest - like Baker & McKenzie, after all BB reckons they're legit, and all cashed up, so why not use the best? My 2nd choice would be Slaughter and May 'cause I just love that name. Slaughter !!!! how cool. We have a local legal firm called Short Punch & grigatorix , short punch, bam!


This guy should fit the bill.

2263
Not sure if Banners Broker could afford him though.

[noname999]

For anyone from BB who is reading this thread, can you tell us what legal firm represent BB? We don't need a big long declaration or an essay, just the name of the firm.
Brevity would be appreciated.

[amathyst87]

Probably worth pointing out (though this may have been mentioned) that Kurt Kornelsen was involved in the ICF World Homes scam with Raj Dixit. He is now involved high up in Banners Broker.

Here's my source on that, though I believe it's pretty well known now that Dixit was involved in ICF.

http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/internet-hyip-scams/31430-larry-telford-sharon-black-pyramid-operators.html

[hendyphilhendy]

I noticed a growing trend over the last couple of days in terms of the description of the blind network.

It seems that Banners Broker no longer source the advertisers themselves. It is all done via the other brokers. Can anyone shed any light on this?

Never heard of two brokers being used before in other industries I.e. in Insurance. It must surely reduce any profitability.

One thing is for sure, the business model seems to keep changing in its description.

[Jerrygo]

well activeone.Apart from the comments about bottom feeders, you seem to be a bit different to the usual bb cheerleaders on here. In that you are leaving open the possibility that bb actually might be a ponzi. and you say your mind is open.
The reasons that some of us bottom feeders actually sought out this forum, and joined, is that we or some of our families have had money stolen by bb, or accounts blocked, or lied to, ignored, etc.
All the research that is done here which you denigrate is valuable to people searching for info on bb. I did not even know till I came here that the founder had another ponzi closed in Canada. The research is also needed by and passed on to media, regulatory authorities, consumer ombudsman, police fraud squad, revenue, mastercard, etc etc.
Surely a good thing?

[Julie Diligent]

My 2nd choice would be Slaughter and May 'cause I just love that name. Slaughter !!!! how cool. We have a local legal firm called Short Punch & grigatorix , short punch, bam!

You wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of these guys: http://www.wrighthassall.co.uk/ :RpS_wink:

[hendyphilhendy]

You wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of these guys: Home | Wright Hassall (http://www.wrighthassall.co.uk/) :RpS_wink:

Lol, I used to some audit work for those guys back in my employed days. One of the funniest legal names around.

[littleroundman]

One thing is for sure, the business model seems to keep changing in its description.

That's easy to do when the "business model" isn't tied to a "business"

Integrating changes in a business "model" with the actual business can't be done overnight, UNLESS, the "business' exists only on paper and the screens of a couple of hundred thousand "independent contractors"

I'm sure Bil Gates would love to have the luxury of changing Microsofts' "business model" and having the changes take effect immediately.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Not sure if this has been posted before.
I thought it might be useful if anybody wants to ask for their money back.

IAN DRISCOL

IAN’S SKYPE NAME IS EPIANN

Skype Checks out
2264

The Office 19 Bar House Lane Keighley
West Yorkshire
BD20 6HA
Phone: 01535 210 649
Mobile: 07968 006 296

[Julie Diligent]

I noticed a growing trend over the last couple of days in terms of the description of the blind network. It seems that Banners Broker no longer source the advertisers themselves. It is all done via the other brokers. Can anyone shed any light on this? Never heard of two brokers being used before in other industries I.e. in Insurance. It must surely reduce any profitability. One thing is for sure, the business model seems to keep changing in its description.

Check out this BB affiliate's blog, Phil; he has a good go at reporting what was presented at Dublin, including David Hooker's explanation of the Blind Network: Dublin Reflections - workingbb (http://www.workingbb.com/what-s-new/dublin-reflections/)