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littleroundman
10-04-2011, 09:56 AM
So, following a lead on the next big thing being touted around the 'net,, I decided to check out the offerings of PROPERTY WIKIA (http://www.propertywikia.com/) a UK based "new and unique" property based "opportunity:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/propertwikiadomain.jpg

Property Wikia describes its' offerings:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/propertywikiapitch.jpg

In true snoop fashion, I decide to see if this international conglomerate has anything on offer in my region.

LO and BEHOLD, they have,

this one: PropertyWikia - For Sale - Serpentine, west australian, Australia (http://www.propertywikia.com/For-Sale/Finca-Farm-Ranch/westaustralian-Serpentine/2559#lEducation)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/fakelisting.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/fakelisting2.jpg

Investigating further, I decide to check out if the property is for sale elsewhere,

Wouldn't ya know it, it IS for sale, only this time by a legitimate licensed real estate broker and member of the Real Estate Institute Of Western Australia, R.E.I.W.A here: 899 Elliot Road, Serpentine, WA 6125 - House for Sale #107520302 - realestate.com.au (http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-wa-serpentine-107520302)

http://images1.au.reastatic.net/456x342/props/107520302/Main@20Feature/20110704124037.jpg

Only this time:

a) the price is AUD $300,000 dollars cheaper @ $1,650,000 instead of the $1,950,000 being claimed by Property Wikia
b) Instead of being the 5 bedroom, 2 bathroom "ranch" being offered by Property Wikia, the property has now become a:


Fish / Marron Farm

All the work is done on this 43.41 ha. fish / marron farm.
An immaculate home with granny flat and a freestanding restaurant / functions centre.


c) Instead of the property being
Total Size of Grounds267500 m² (2879370 ft²) as claimed by Property Wikia, it has now become:
Land Size:43.41ha (107.27 acres) (approx) according to the genuine agent.

Can we say "Property Wikia" and its' "associates" are as dumb as a sack full of hammers and can't even steal other peoples' listings accurately ??

Goodness gracious, all we need is for the Property Wikia people to tell prospective buyers they stand to inherit a squillion bucks from a long lost relative who died in a plane crash in Nigeria leaving his fortune to a complete stranger and this would take the cake as most amateur scam of 2011.

Geez, Property Wikia, lift your game.

You're a disgrace to your chosen profession.

Whip
10-04-2011, 11:10 AM
Yeah...they're really screwed up. I found one in NJ that they're hijacking and they reversed the square footage of the house and property. The house wouldn't fit on the property be their figures. lol. They only boosted the price $20,000 USD.

path2prosperity
10-04-2011, 11:19 AM
I arrived home much too late to go down to the "RightMove" offices in my local HighStreet and ask more about this but I will do this if it is not raining "cats and dogs" tomorrow.

It is obviously nothing to do with the countrywide RightMove chain of estate agents who do sell online. EAT SPECIAL REPORT: Propertywikia website and the mystery of its rich rewards - Estate Agent Today (http://www.estateagenttoday.co.uk/news_features/EAT-SPECIAL-REPORT-Propertywikia-website-and-its-rich-rewards).

Here is an extract from EAT special report.

A property website is making an extraordinary series of ‘get rich quick’ offers, and has ambitions to take over the property listing world. The offers include £100 a week 'compensation' if the property does not sell.

If it decides to challenge Rightmove, Propertywikia already has curious – and no doubt coincidental – links.

For example, when EAT asked about Propertywikia’s ownership, we were told it was owned by the RMV Group. EAT has not been able to trace a company called RMV Group, but a Google search for ‘RMV Group’ comes up with Rightmove Group in top place.

RMV is the ‘ticker’ symbol for Rightmove shares.

There is absolutely no suggestion whatever that Rightmove is in any way connected with Propertywikia.

littleroundman
10-04-2011, 11:44 AM
How unusual......NOT........

This gentleman, "Terry Cuthbert" is out and about promoting himself as a licensed representative of "Property Wikia" based in New Zealand and as having paid for several territories:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/terrycuthbert.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/cuthbertredirects.jpg

Funny thing is,

http://www.propertywikia.me (http://www.propertywikia.me%20)redirects to Cash Wikia (http://www.cashwikia.com/1421902667/menu/Earn_250K/My_Easy_250K)

and www.propertywikia.co.nz (http://www.propertywikia.co.nz/) redirects to Sell 12 Weeks (http://www.sell12weeks.com/1421902667/Sell)

what's more, both of the sites are registered to:


RMV PropertyWikia
Brian Thomas
"PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group)\r\nLevel 33, 25 Canada Square,\r\nCanary Wharf,"
E14 5LB, London
United Kingdom
phone: +44.8448126091
8f9490d5d77a4cbaf7d34c47959ca6b3-752910@contact.gandi.net

Yep, the very same "Brian Thomas" to whom the Property Wikia domain is registered

One might rightly question whether young Mr "Terry Cuthbert" is not only NOT in New Zealand, but is not even "Terry Cuthbert"

path2prosperity
10-04-2011, 11:44 AM
This reminds me of another property scam which claimed to be trading from London W1. Offces in that area and Canary Wharf are so expensive that no startup businesses which needed affiliates could even afford space for a plastic coffee cup so they would not have enough space to publish essential information such as registered company number or VAT registration number.

What those of you who were involved with scam.com may find dubious is the fact that all references to it on their noticeboard has been removed. I found this reference to scam.com when I googled. property wika - Google Search (http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=551&q=property+wika&btnG=Google+Search#pq=propertywika&hl=en&cp=16&gs_id=d&xhr=t&q=propertywika+rmv&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=propertywika+rmv&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=bda8d6e64b483177&biw=1024&bih=551)

path2prosperity
10-04-2011, 12:13 PM
Right Move is a huge UK business used by large chains of estate agents to sell properties online. RMV is not anything to do with the Right Move companies. RMV is only the ticker symbol for Right Move shares on the stock exchange. This is Right Move UK site http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=551&q=Right+Move&btnG=Google+Search

Whip
10-04-2011, 01:01 PM
Took some time to find this (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=142743#post1086727)


A Court order was served on Scam.com to remove all the posts, as they were false and misleading accussations against PropertyWikia.

We did warned the people that made these false posts it would happen and it is great it is all at an end.

PropertyWikia is a Global program that is the biggest program to ever hit the internet.

Helps backup Soapboxmom's statements of fact. lol.

Suspected scammer also wrote this:


So the benefits for Vendor/Sellers with PropertyWikia is they save $1000's in unnecessary commissions.

How can that be when the commissions are part of the price and the prices on their hijacked listings is boosted even more?

Whip
10-04-2011, 01:52 PM
Seems this would be a conflict of interest to the opposing downlines.

another one (http://www.betternetworker.com/members/terry_cuthbert)

path2prosperity
10-04-2011, 02:02 PM
I am going to report this phoney name and address for PropertyWikia which they claim is part of the ( nonexistent?) RMV Group with an address at Level 33, 25 Canada Square,Canary Wharf, E14 5LB, London United Kingdom) and the fact that they have used the Right Move stock exchange ticker symbol to suggest they are part of that organisation, to Crime Stoppers UK, when I have made dinner.

I am not sure if people outside UK can report crimes but here is their web site.
Fight crime - Support the charity Crimestoppers - Most Wanted criminals - Call anonymously - Fraud | Crimestoppers UK (http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org)

Soapboxmom
10-04-2011, 04:22 PM
Took some time to find this (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=142743#post1086727)



Helps backup Soapboxmom's statements of fact. lol.

Suspected scammer also wrote this:



How can that be when the commissions are part of the price and the prices on their hijacked listings is boosted even more?
I love scammer boy Cuthbert bragging on Scam. If I can post court documents why is that lunkhead not posting the alleged court order? Scam owner George Dranichak often doesn't come on the site for weeks on end. George probably removed the original thread after receiving a threat from a fake lawyer or some incentive.

George tried to bribe me to get the threads about him posted here removed, so I think it is very likely he will remove things from Scam with the right incentive. I take it as you found the new thread, that there never was any court order. One has to file and get an injunction and then attend formal hearing for a final injunction. George is in Canada and the hosting provider is in NJ. I suspect scammer boy like everyone else including sojustask is having a hard time getting any response from George. And, Georgie hasn't even ***** the company's and scammer's names yet. Scammer boy better sweeten the deal quick if he wants George to get off his duff and do something. He looks pretty silly bragging about his court order when that new thread is still there untouched.

I am looking forward to hearing from that clown about this thread. I don't cater to scammers!

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
10-05-2011, 12:33 AM
This one's an excellent example of how unwary buyers get caught by fraudsters.

Here we have a listing on Property Wikia: PropertyWikia - For Sale - Airlie Beach, Whitsunday, Australia (http://www.propertywikia.com/For-Sale/House-Detached/Whitsunday-AirlieBeach/1272)

showing this house at Muruk crt, AIRLIE BEACH, Queensland, Australia

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wikiamurakpropert.jpg

for sale @ AUD $475,000 with no "right click" allowed on the picture.

NOTE: the palm trees on the left and the "homesonsale" logo in the bottom right of the pic.

s-o-o-o-o

we check on the "HomesOnSale" website: Homes On Sale - 3 Detached, Jubilee Pocket, Airlie Beach, Whitsunday Islands DreamHome - reduced!! buy and sell property online (http://www.homesonsale.co.uk/whitsunday_islands_dreamhome_reduced-o85207-en.html) and what do we find ??

You guessed it, the same house:
http://www.homesonsale.co.uk/files/85207.jpg

except this time, the price is AUD $435,000

AND the address is given as 9 Muruk Crt JUBILEE POCKET, Airlie Beach, Queensland

We check further and LO and Behold, 9 Muruk Crt comes up again here: Jubilee Pocket - 9 Muruk Crescent (http://www.raywhitewhitsunday.com/listing/WHTT11115) only this time, the property is for rent @ AUD $450 per week and the house has now transmogrified into this:

http://pht.oslsoftware.com/AUGen/photos/527900-01.jpg?372,279

no palm trees here.

BTW, http://WWW.HOMESONSALE.UK is interesting in itself.

Here's its' website domain information:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Gibraltar.jpg

Would YOU send money an to purchase overseas property listed by a Gibraltar based company ????

path2prosperity
10-05-2011, 02:00 AM
Here is Companies House web site. Companies House (http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk)

A British company has to list its 1) company registration number. 2) Its VAT registration number. If annual turnover is above 73,000 GBP it must have a VAT number. 3) A registered company office where any member of the public can look at names/addresses of directors and audited accounts.

littleroundman
10-05-2011, 06:50 AM
Another piece of the jigsaw falls into place:

Here we get this piece of information: Cash Wikia (http://www.cashwikia.com/6974249183/About-Us)



This page is due further updates, please check back soon...

PropertyWikia is the public trading arm of the RMV Group which is a private investment platform and both are 'trading names' of and fully owned by 3iCatalyst.com who are based in London. 3iCatalyst is a partnership and PropertyWikia is a trading name/brand name.

RMV Group is a group of over five thousand strong investors that provide PropertyWikia with its unlimited investor buying power.

3iCatalyst.com is a NO VC (No Venture Capital) incubator that funds, launches and helps run successful companies worldwide. The business handles investments of over £12.5 Billion.

Founded by some of the best business minds in today’s business world, 3iCatalyst strives to develop businesses that have significant potential for high growth and rapid return for investors. PropertyWikia is one such business.

Some of the clients 3iCatalyst participate with, fund or advise include Play.com, BlackBerry, Virgin, flickr, Yahoo, Rio Tinto, easyJet and BP - to name but a few.

Both PropertyWikia and the RMV Group are office based at Canary Wharf in London's Docklands.

and who owns the "CashWikia" (http://www.cashwikia.com/6974249183/About-Us) website ??

Why, it's our old friend, Brian Thomas:


RMV PropertyWikia
Brian Thomas
"PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group)\r\nLevel 33, 25 Canada Square,\r\nCanary Wharf,"
E14 5LB, London
United Kingdom
phone: +44.8448126091
8f9490d5d77a4cbaf7d34c47959ca6b3-752910@contact.gandi.net

Still, the find doesn't make the "RMV Group" or "PropertyWikia" or "3icatalyst" any more legal or legitimate.

A search of COMPANIES HOUSE WEBCHECK (http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/9ca9f479d7dc1dcef91407d1132eac0b/wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfo) reveals NO listing for "3icatalyst" and NO listing for "PropertWikia" and NO listing for "RMV group"

C'mon, Mr Brian Thomas, just where are the "RMV Group" or "PropertyWikia" or "3icatalyst" registered ??

Have any of them registered for VAT in the UK ??

Surely a company which claims:


3i Group plc (LSE: III) is a multinational private equity and venture capital company headquartered in London, United Kingdom. It has offices in 13 countries across Asia, Europe and the Americas and had total assets under management of £12.7 billion as at 31 March 2011.[3][4] It is organised into three investment divisions: Private Equity, Infrastructure and Debt Management.[4]

Now we may be getting somewhere.

Is this the same "3i group plc"


Name & Registered Office:
3I GROUP INVESTMENTS GP LIMITED
1ST FLOOR PHOENIX HOUSE
18 KING WILLIAM STREET
LONDON
UNITED KINGDOM
EC4N 7BP
Company No. 03844010

WebCHeck - Select and Access Company Information (http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/9ca9f479d7dc1dcef91407d1132eac0b/compdetails)

or has "Mr Thomas" just borrowed a name just like Propert Wikia "borrows" listings.

path2prosperity
10-05-2011, 08:38 AM
and who owns the "CashWikia" (http://www.cashwikia.com/6974249183/About-Us) website ??

Why, it's our old friend, Brian Thomas:
[/B]or has "Mr Thomas" just borrowed a name just like Propert Wikia "borrows" listings.

Would you like me to go up to Companies House and get the names addresses of the directors and the last set of audited accounts for you LRM? I have not checked to see whether you can get an electronic copy but I can certainly get them by paying them a visit? I could send them to SBM by snail mail.

littleroundman
10-06-2011, 10:09 AM
And still PropertyWikia continues stealing legitimate listings: (note the price in the PropertWikia ad, AUD $700,000

Here's another one from PropertyWikias' site: PropertyWikia - For Sale - Upper Coomera, North, Gold Coast-Tweed, South East Queensland, Australia (http://www.propertywikia.com/For-Sale/House-Bungalow/SouthEastQueensland-GoldCoast-Tweed-UpperCoomera/3292)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/stolen.jpg

And here's the real thing, with an asking price of AUD $839,000 http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/QLD/Upper-Coomera/?adid=2008596144

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/realEldersad.jpg

and, from another legitimate agency, also with an asking price of AUD $839,000 http://www.refindhouseprices.com/viewad/7235690/93 Otmoor Road (http://www.refindhouseprices.com/viewad/7235690/93%20Otmoor%20Road)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/realDomainad.jpg

littleroundman
10-07-2011, 04:45 AM
Would you like me to go up to Companies House and get the names addresses of the directors and the last set of audited accounts for you LRM? I have not checked to see whether you can get an electronic copy but I can certainly get them by paying them a visit? I could send them to SBM by snail mail.

Done, Judy.

Thanks for the offer, though.

g3no
10-08-2011, 06:26 AM
So, following a lead on the next big thing being touted around the 'net,, I decided to check out the offerings of PROPERTY WIKIA (http://www.propertywikia.com/) a UK based "new and unique" property based "opportunity:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/propertwikiadomain.jpg

Property Wikia describes its' offerings:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/propertywikiapitch.jpg

In true snoop fashion, I decide to see if this international conglomerate has anything on offer in my region.

LO and BEHOLD, they have,

this one: PropertyWikia - For Sale - Serpentine, west australian, Australia (http://www.propertywikia.com/For-Sale/Finca-Farm-Ranch/westaustralian-Serpentine/2559#lEducation)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/fakelisting.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/fakelisting2.jpg

Investigating further, I decide to check out if the property is for sale elsewhere,

Wouldn't ya know it, it IS for sale, only this time by a legitimate licensed real estate broker and member of the Real Estate Institute Of Western Australia, R.E.I.W.A here: 899 Elliot Road, Serpentine, WA 6125 - House for Sale #107520302 - realestate.com.au (http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-wa-serpentine-107520302)

http://images1.au.reastatic.net/456x342/props/107520302/Main@20Feature/20110704124037.jpg

Only this time:

a) the price is AUD $300,000 dollars cheaper @ $1,650,000 instead of the $1,950,000 being claimed by Property Wikia
b) Instead of being the 5 bedroom, 2 bathroom "ranch" being offered by Property Wikia, the property has now become a:



c) Instead of the property being as claimed by Property Wikia, it has now become: according to the genuine agent.

Can we say "Property Wikia" and its' "associates" are as dumb as a sack full of hammers and can't even steal other peoples' listings accurately ??

Goodness gracious, all we need is for the Property Wikia people to tell prospective buyers they stand to inherit a squillion bucks from a long lost relative who died in a plane crash in Nigeria leaving his fortune to a complete stranger and this would take the cake as most amateur scam of 2011.

Geez, Property Wikia, lift your game.

You're a disgrace to your chosen profession.


This is down to poor agents/affiliates lisiting poorly, as far as i can see.
so the company is balh balh blah blah who cares, IF!! its not legit, it will be found out and shut down by end of next tax year 2012. In the mean time all press is advertising whether good or bad so while you dis the company it makes more money from the hits at its site and the intrigue it causes. remember facebook and google and ebay being judged a joke, ebid....... i could go on. If someone said in 1980 that people would run businesses on the net we would be laughed out of town, well steve Jobs RIP and Bill gates knew otherwise legends!!.

So here we are guys

littleroundman
10-08-2011, 09:15 AM
WOW,

now THAT'S a lesson in spin doctoring, if I ever saw one.

Someone thought Facebook and Google "were a joke" and that makes it somehow OK for Property Wikia to steal money from people.

A company allows its' own website to display inaccurate and misleading real estate listings, and it's down to "poor agents and affiliates"

R--I--G--H--T !

We shouldn't worry because "if PropertyWikia" is a fraud, it will be "found out and shut down by end of next tax year 2012"

Let me see:

It's now October, 2011.

The "end of the next tax year" by my reckoning, would be June 30, 2012.

That would be....ummm.......1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 months.

Oh, that's all right then, only 8 months, how much damage could a fraudster do in 8 months, after all.

How excellent.

Good luck with THAT sort of philosophy, g3no.

youridealbody.us
10-12-2011, 10:55 AM
Don't you people have anything better to do than sit on your computers in the hopes of finding scams? I just read all of the above comments. There are so many inaccuracies. For example, the seller lists the properties themselves, not the affiliate. So any mistakes or faults in the listing is the owners'. That a property is listed in multiple places is common. Especially difficult-to-sell properties have been listed for months with possibly several different agents trying to find a buyer. You are discussing things you don't have first-hand knowledge of and show your own ignorance by participating in such a forum. "He that answers a matter, before he hears it, is not wise"> Proverbs 18:13. Nobody is getting scammed, as the buyers and the sellers pay no commission. They are both receiving benefits at no cost to themselves. People's domains are pointed to the company domain, cash wikia. All of this is nonsense. Go find something productive to do and leave those who want to pursue something they believe in alone.

littleroundman
10-12-2011, 11:14 AM
Don't you people have anything better to do than sit on your computers in the hopes of finding scams? I just read all of the above comments. There are so many inaccuracies. For example, the seller lists the properties themselves, not the affiliate. So any mistakes or faults in the listing is the owners'. That a property is listed in multiple places is common. Especially difficult-to-sell properties have been listed for months with possibly several different agents trying to find a buyer. You are discussing things you don't have first-hand knowledge of and show your own ignorance by participating in such a forum. "He that answers a matter, before he hears it, is not wise"> Proverbs 18:13. Nobody is getting scammed, as the buyers and the sellers pay no commission. They are both receiving benefits at no cost to themselves. People's domains are pointed to the company domain, cash wikia. All of this is nonsense. Go find something productive to do and leave those who want to pursue something they believe in alone.

What absolute, arrant nonsense.

Biblical quotations in defense of a scam ??

Gimme a break.

The seller lists the properties ???

What are you, an absolute beginner with no knowledge of the real estate industry ??

The buyers and sellers pay no commission ???

Geez, admission of the fraudulent nature of Property Wikia, much ???

What are you saying, an eccentric millionaire pays the buyer and the seller out of the goodness of his heart ??


leave those who want to pursue something they believe in alone. You ARE being left alone.

Don't like it ???

Don't read it,

simple.

Disagree with what's being said ??

Show us some licenses,

provide some documentation,

point us to PropertyWikias' VAT registration, and/or Companies House listing.

Show us just a lazy few mill. of the hundreds of millions of pounds of assets PropertWikia claims to have.

Whip
10-12-2011, 01:34 PM
Wow. You couldn't get past 3 sentances without lying.

Don't you people have anything better to do than sit on your computers in the hopes of finding scams?
Sure we do. So what?

I just read all of the above comments.
Don't you have anything better to do? lol.

There are so many inaccuracies. For example, the seller lists the properties themselves, not the affiliate.
Lie. Are you going to try and tell us that the owner is really going to screw up their own listing? And shoot themselves in the foot by boosting the prices for no reason?


So any mistakes or faults in the listing is the owners'.
Lie.

That a property is listed in multiple places is common.
No, being listed in multiple legitimate places is common.


Especially difficult-to-sell properties have been listed for months with possibly several different agents trying to find a buyer.
Who says/determines what is 'difficult to sell'?


You are discussing things you don't have first-hand knowledge of and show your own ignorance by participating in such a forum. Really? Are you trying to say a real realtor would not know what is going on?


"He that answers a matter, before he hears it, is not wise"> Proverbs 18:13.
And yet, here you are answering.

Nobody is getting scammed, as the buyers and the sellers pay no commission.
Really? Then why the need to boost the prices? Why should any buyer pay your inflated prices when they can get it cheaper at a legitmate realtor? A real realtors commission is already in the lower, legitimate listing price. That means you scammers should be a lower price than that if what you say is even remotely true.


They are both receiving benefits at no cost to themselves.
No they are not.


People's domains are pointed to the company domain, cash wikia. All of this is nonsense.
I agree the wikia hijacking listings and boosting the prices is ridiculous.


Go find something productive to do and leave those who want to pursue something they believe in alone.
And we do.

aussiegold
10-13-2011, 05:51 AM
With regard to the property mentioned in the 1st post of this thread, as a paid up affiliate of PW (still deciding whether I have made the right choice) I decided to test the system and report the discrepancy in pricing between PWs listing and RealEstate.com.au.
The property listing was immediately suspended, pending the owners response to my report. Will keep a close eye on that and see if it gets re-listed, with corrections.
Thanks to all previous posters for your insights on this intriguing operation known as PropertyWikia.

littleroundman
10-13-2011, 06:18 AM
With regard to the property mentioned in the 1st post of this thread, as a paid up affiliate of PW (still deciding whether I have made the right choice) I decided to test the system and report the discrepancy in pricing between PWs listing and RealEstate.com.au.
The property listing was immediately suspended, pending the owners response to my report. Will keep a close eye on that and see if it gets re-listed, with corrections.
Thanks to all previous posters for your insights on this intriguing operation known as PropertyWikia.

Welcome to REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com/) aussiegold, and congratulations on deciding to do some homework.

As an aside,

do you really think the "owner" of the property simply forgot to mention the property in question included


Fish / Marron Farm

All the work is done on this 43.41 ha. fish / marron farm.
An immaculate home with granny flat and a freestanding restaurant / functions centre.

Maybe it's just me, but it stretches the bounds of credibility for PropertyWikia to claim the discrepancy/ies are the fault of the owner.

1) the price is inaccurate

2) the description is inaccurate

3) the area is inaccurate

4) the fact the property is a fish/marron farm WITH a granny flat AND a freestanding restaurant/function center was totally missing from the PropertyWikia site

Does anybody REALLY believe the owner of a property valued at in excess of $1.65 million bucks simply forgot to mention such vital information ??

IM(very)HO like most well thought out frauds, the devil is in the detail and it will be a number of small details which eventually bring down Property Wikia and similar real estate listing scams.

Whip
10-13-2011, 09:06 AM
How do you even know you contacted the real owners of the property? My money is on the real owners not even knowing it's listed there. I'm sure the only people you contacted are the scammers themselves.

aussiegold
10-13-2011, 07:38 PM
Whip, I never claimed that I contacted the owner, or anybody else for that matter.
On every listing you will find a link to contact the owner, but you must register as a buyer 1st. I chose not to.
Just above the "contact owner" link is a button saying "report listing". This I did, and the property listing was suspended immediately, obviously without any human intervention. I presume the system has sent an email to the person responsible for the listing, notifying them of my report. As I stated above, I will keep a lookout for that property being re-listed.
My thoughts are that this was probably what PW call a PAL(partial area listing). This can be done by an affiliate, but only for properties within their HQ (area selected at signup). The affiliate MUST provide contact details of the owner, and if applicable, the agent. The PW system then advises the owner that their property has been listed, and provides them login details for them to confirm/edit/delete the listing. It is NOT a valid listing (for the purposes of earning the affiliate commission) until verified by the owner.
I am not making a stand for PW here, just sharing my limited understanding of how the website works. I have not listed any properties on my affiliate account at this time. I, like many, are still on the fence with this one. Time will tell.

Whip
10-13-2011, 08:06 PM
Whip, I never claimed that I contacted the owner, or anybody else for that matter.
On every listing you will find a link to contact the owner, but you must register as a buyer 1st. I chose not to.
Just above the "contact owner" link is a button saying "report listing". This I did, and the property listing was suspended immediately, obviously without any human intervention. I presume the system has sent an email to the person responsible for the listing, notifying them of my report. As I stated above, I will keep a lookout for that property being re-listed.
My thoughts are that this was probably what PW call a PAL(partial area listing). This can be done by an affiliate, but only for properties within their HQ (area selected at signup). The affiliate MUST provide contact details of the owner, and if applicable, the agent. The PW system then advises the owner that their property has been listed, and provides them login details for them to confirm/edit/delete the listing. It is NOT a valid listing (for the purposes of earning the affiliate commission) until verified by the owner.
I am not making a stand for PW here, just sharing my limited understanding of how the website works. I have not listed any properties on my affiliate account at this time. I, like many, are still on the fence with this one. Time will tell.

Certainly seems that you are. You're taking everything they're apparently telling you as gospel. I can guarantee that the owners have no idea their listings from legitimate sites are being as butchered as they are when added to the scam site. And I guarantee you the real owners are not the ones doing it as alluded to by the other scammer. It's clear as day to see.

littleroundman
10-14-2011, 02:25 AM
The PW system then advises the owner that their property has been listed, and provides them login details for them to confirm/edit/delete the listing.

OR:

steals a legitimate listing for a property in some out of the way location, where the legitimate owner is unlikely to be looking at the Property Wikia site.

You're in Oz, aussiegold, have a check of the Australian listings on the Property Wikia site and see is something odd strikes you about the listings.

"odd" that is, to someone with a knowledge of Australia, but "not so odd" to someone overseas who thinks that "Australia" is next to Germany.

littleroundman
10-14-2011, 02:40 AM
Here's a clue as to what I think is happening with Property Wikia.

So,

there's a guy, 65 year old Arthur Snodgrass who's worked for the same produce company for 50 years.

Every night for 50 years, just like clockwork, Arthur presented at the security checkout gate with a bale of hay on his wheelbarrow.

And, every night, just like clockwork, the security guard would check Arthurs' receipt and verify, yes, Arthur had paid for his hay.

For 50 years Arthur never missed a day of work,

For 50 years, he trudged out through the gates with his bale of hay.

Then, when he turned 65, Arthur retired.

They gave him a gold watch, and the Chairman of the board made mention of Arthurs' honesty in paying for every bale of straw he'd taken home over the 50 years.

It was only after Arthur had been retired for 6 months and moved to Bali, they discovered Arthur HAD been stealing.

In fact, every single day for 50 years,

Arthur had stolen:
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
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.a wheelbarrow.




My tip is:

don't look over there where Property Wikia/Arthur WANTS you to look,

at the stolen listing/bale of hay,

look over here at the £109 wheelbarrow

littleroundman
10-15-2011, 06:35 AM
Oh Dear,

This explains it all.

The Property Wikia spruiker who has been posting all over the 'net is Mr Terry Cuthbert

Here he is advertising his "Unlimited Recruiting" business on Facebook: http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41574_135226929826550_3549_n.jpg www.terrycuthbert.com | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/wwwterrycuthbertcom/135226929826550)

Here he is in his "PropertyWikia" New Zealand official representative guise: http://www.scam.com/image.php?u=181528&dateline=1315775395

and,

SURPRISE, SURPRISE, (not)

Here's his website promoting his "turn $69 into $2000" 2 X 2 cycler B/S opportunity: 2000LifeTime : Home Page (http://www.2000lifetime.com/index.php)

http://lifetimeprograms.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/cropped-lifetime_header3.jpg

and his Wordpress blog doing the same: lifetimeprograms | Lifetime Programs By Terry Cuthbert (http://lifetimeprograms.wordpress.com/)


lifetimeprograms

Lifetime Programs By Terry Cuthbert

IOW,

Mr Cuthbert is just ANOTHER one of those shady characters who make up much of the world of internet "opportunities" industry.

Fraudulent real estate listings and no-product 2 X 2 money games.

Doesn't take a genius to work out the risks of being involved with this sort of person, does it ??

littleroundman
10-15-2011, 06:54 AM
If readers are not yet convinced to be very, very careful in dealing with Property Wikia and/or Mr Terry Cuthbert.

Have a peek at what is likely to happen if you inadvertently cross the self professed New Zealand based "internet marketer" and Property Wikia "affiliate" Terry Cuthbert:

WARNING: DO NOT CLICK ON "PLAY" IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED OR OF GENTLE NATURE:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oYqm5msW7m0

terrycythbert
10-15-2011, 05:43 PM
How unusual......NOT........

This gentleman, "Terry Cuthbert" is out and about promoting himself as a licensed representative of "Property Wikia" based in New Zealand and as having paid for several territories:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/terrycuthbert.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/cuthbertredirects.jpg

Funny thing is,

http://www.propertywikia.me (http://www.propertywikia.me%20)redirects to Cash Wikia (http://www.cashwikia.com/1421902667/menu/Earn_250K/My_Easy_250K)

and www.propertywikia.co.nz (http://www.propertywikia.co.nz/) redirects to Sell 12 Weeks (http://www.sell12weeks.com/1421902667/Sell)

what's more, both of the sites are registered to:



Yep, the very same "Brian Thomas" to whom the Property Wikia domain is registered

One might rightly question whether young Mr "Terry Cuthbert" is not only NOT in New Zealand, but is not even "Terry Cuthbert"

Hi everyone I just was directed to this site as some thought it only fair and reasonable I have a say. People have posted that I am not a real person. I just registered with username terrycythbert I made a spelling mistake it should be terrycuthbert. lol

I am not here to argue or debate as people have their views but I am disturbed people feel it their right to make up propoganda to mislead others.

I own the New Zealand HQ areas in PropertyWikia which does not prevent others promoting property in New Zealand it just gives me an over ride commission on e ery listing.

I have read the posts here and there are alot of issues to cover but my main point is to say I am a real person and only an affiliate of PropertyWikia.
Realtors/Vendors can list their properties for FREE so it is at no cost.
There are secruity checks every 72 hours that Relators/Vendors must answer to legitimize their listing

FRAUDULENT LISTINGS are an issue and yes people try to make a fast buck (they think) but are being found out quickly via the security checks.
My Realtors even listed propertied incorrectly and to dwelling size, rooms, land area and price etc so these are being corrected.
It takes over 30 minutes to list a property so it isnt a quick job to transfer Realtors current listings into PropertyWikia.

Yes there are fake listings from scammers looking for a quick buck but these are just opportunists taking advantage of the opportunity, to try and
get deposits from innocent investors. The Security Checks sort this out fast.

I am available to answer questions sp please Skype - terrycuthbert

terrycythbert
10-15-2011, 05:46 PM
So, following a lead on the next big thing being touted around the 'net,, I decided to check out the offerings of PROPERTY WIKIA (http://www.propertywikia.com/) a UK based "new and unique" property based "opportunity:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/propertwikiadomain.jpg

Property Wikia describes its' offerings:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/propertywikiapitch.jpg

In true snoop fashion, I decide to see if this international conglomerate has anything on offer in my region.

LO and BEHOLD, they have,

this one: PropertyWikia - For Sale - Serpentine, west australian, Australia (http://www.propertywikia.com/For-Sale/Finca-Farm-Ranch/westaustralian-Serpentine/2559#lEducation)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/fakelisting.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/fakelisting2.jpg

Investigating further, I decide to check out if the property is for sale elsewhere,

Wouldn't ya know it, it IS for sale, only this time by a legitimate licensed real estate broker and member of the Real Estate Institute Of Western Australia, R.E.I.W.A here: 899 Elliot Road, Serpentine, WA 6125 - House for Sale #107520302 - realestate.com.au (http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-wa-serpentine-107520302)

http://images1.au.reastatic.net/456x342/props/107520302/Main@20Feature/20110704124037.jpg

Only this time:

a) the price is AUD $300,000 dollars cheaper @ $1,650,000 instead of the $1,950,000 being claimed by Property Wikia
b) Instead of being the 5 bedroom, 2 bathroom "ranch" being offered by Property Wikia, the property has now become a:



c) Instead of the property being as claimed by Property Wikia, it has now become: according to the genuine agent.

Can we say "Property Wikia" and its' "associates" are as dumb as a sack full of hammers and can't even steal other peoples' listings accurately ??

Goodness gracious, all we need is for the Property Wikia people to tell prospective buyers they stand to inherit a squillion bucks from a long lost relative who died in a plane crash in Nigeria leaving his fortune to a complete stranger and this would take the cake as most amateur scam of 2011.

Geez, Property Wikia, lift your game.

You're a disgrace to your chosen profession.

PropertyWikia doesnt oversea the listing price they only advertise for FREE. It is up to the Realtor to add the correct information for all to see.
PropertyWikia will address the issue as they do the due diligence to legitimise the listing over the 12 week period when they introduce the
property t the investors they farm them out to.

terrycythbert
10-15-2011, 05:51 PM
I love scammer boy Cuthbert bragging on Scam. If I can post court documents why is that lunkhead not posting the alleged court order? Scam owner George Dranichak often doesn't come on the site for weeks on end. George probably removed the original thread after receiving a threat from a fake lawyer or some incentive.

George tried to bribe me to get the threads about him posted here removed, so I think it is very likely he will remove things from Scam with the right incentive. I take it as you found the new thread, that there never was any court order. One has to file and get an injunction and then attend formal hearing for a final injunction. George is in Canada and the hosting provider is in NJ. I suspect scammer boy like everyone else including sojustask is having a hard time getting any response from George. And, Georgie hasn't even ***** the company's and scammer's names yet. Scammer boy better sweeten the deal quick if he wants George to get off his duff and do something. He looks pretty silly bragging about his court order when that new thread is still there untouched.

I am looking forward to hearing from that clown about this thread. I don't cater to scammers!

Soapboxmom

LOL the court order did remove the scam.com posts and all you guys did was restart them so we all know PropertyWikia did go to court and the first time every scam.com removed posts. So these guys formed another ID or username and Scam.com and started the threads over again it is just typical of inexperienced network marketers crying Wolf.

terrycythbert
10-15-2011, 05:56 PM
Oh Dear,

This explains it all.

The Property Wikia spruiker who has been posting all over the 'net is Mr Terry Cuthbert

Here he is advertising his "Unlimited Recruiting" business on Facebook: http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41574_135226929826550_3549_n.jpg www.terrycuthbert.com | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/wwwterrycuthbertcom/135226929826550)

Here he is in his "PropertyWikia" New Zealand official representative guise: http://www.scam.com/image.php?u=181528&dateline=1315775395

and,

SURPRISE, SURPRISE, (not)

Here's his website promoting his "turn $69 into $2000" 2 X 2 cycler B/S opportunity: 2000LifeTime : Home Page (http://www.2000lifetime.com/index.php)

http://lifetimeprograms.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/cropped-lifetime_header3.jpg

and his Wordpress blog doing the same: lifetimeprograms | Lifetime Programs By Terry Cuthbert (http://lifetimeprograms.wordpress.com/)



IOW,

Mr Cuthbert is just ANOTHER one of those shady characters who make up much of the world of internet "opportunities" industry.

Fraudulent real estate listings and no-product 2 X 2 money games.

Doesn't take a genius to work out the risks of being involved with this sort of person, does it ??

Interesting you say SCAMMER but havent actually shown proof of anyone that has been scammed? It does help to not be a people hater as the above people are and show hard core evidence of innocent people that have legitimately lost money. Isnt this website about that? So to personally attack me is steeping to low levels when you have no evidence and I welcome you to post it if you have any.

Soapboxmom
10-15-2011, 06:32 PM
Welcome Mr. Cuthbert. Just give me the word and I will correct the spelling of your name.

If Scam.com got a court order they are certainly not complying with it. George could easily go in the admin panel and **** out anything that is prohibited from being posted so that it will not Google up until he can remove them of course. There is a very long thread with over 100 posts that was started on September 21st. Why are you posting on it and not reporting it to George and his flunkies immediately?

Not to mention your ridiculous signature over there. I would have called you on that and banned your butt for that monstrosity.

Why don't you post the court order? That would show us the case number and parties, so that I could access all of the documents and confirm your story. This site is set up to handle very large PDFs and you will find it easy to put documents up here.

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
10-16-2011, 01:15 AM
Interesting you say SCAMMER but havent actually shown proof of anyone that has been scammed? It does help to not be a people hater as the above people are and show hard core evidence of innocent people that have legitimately lost money. Isnt this website about that? So to personally attack me is steeping to low levels when you have no evidence and I welcome you to post it if you have any.

Nice attempt at transferring the focus, Terry.

Close, but no cigar.

YOU and Property Wikia are the ones asking for money.

YOU provide the "proof"

Exactly what is it you mean by "legitimately lost money" ??

Is there some sort of "illegitimate" way people will lose money ?

Should we wait until you and Property Wikia have run away with the cash before we comment ??

2 X 2 cyclers are suddenly "legal" and not money games ??

Lots of bluff and bluster coming out of the 'Property Wikia and/or its' "affiliate" Terry Cuthbert and not a lot of proof of ANY of their claims.

Oh, and by "not a lot" I actually mean "none" as in: zip, zero, zilch, nil, none, nada.

ALL of the information posted here is from the public domain.

NONE of it is privileged or illegally obtained.

In fact, most of it has been posted either by you or Property Wikia itself.

Don't blame us, you put it out there, you remove it.

As my sainted old mum used to say:

"Be sure your sins will find you out"

The days of you being able to hide away in some far off corner of the 'net playing silly money games and ripping off the unwary are over.

Google has you by the short and curlies, now, and forever.

terrycythbert
10-16-2011, 05:12 AM
Nice attempt at transferring the focus, Terry.

Close, but no cigar.

YOU and Property Wikia are the ones asking for money.

YOU provide the "proof"

Exactly what is it you mean by "legitimately lost money" ??

Is there some sort of "illegitimate" way people will lose money ?

Should we wait until you and Property Wikia have run away with the cash before we comment ??

2 X 2 cyclers are suddenly "legal" and not money games ??

Lots of bluff and bluster coming out of the 'Property Wikia and/or its' "affiliate" Terry Cuthbert and not a lot of proof of ANY of their claims.

Oh, and by "not a lot" I actually mean "none" as in: zip, zero, zilch, nil, none, nada.

ALL of the information posted here is from the public domain.

NONE of it is privileged or illegally obtained.

In fact, most of it has been posted either by you or Property Wikia itself.

Don't blame us, you put it out there, you remove it.

As my sainted old mum used to say:

"Be sure your sins will find you out"

The days of you being able to hide away in some far off corner of the 'net playing silly money games and ripping off the unwary are over.

Google has you by the short and curlies, now, and forever.

You have no proof of any wrong doing it is people like you that delibrately make it your life to ruin people. It seems like a personal crusade.
Come clean with any real evidence of your evil attempts to tarnish my reputation as people only see your vane attempts that are unsubstantialed just hearsay.
So table conclusive evidence or stop your personal atttacks as this is pretty swallow.

terrycythbert
10-16-2011, 05:16 AM
Welcome Mr. Cuthbert. Just give me the word and I will correct the spelling of your name.

If Scam.com got a court order they are certainly not complying with it. George could easily go in the admin panel and **** out anything that is prohibited from being posted so that it will not Google up until he can remove them of course. There is a very long thread with over 100 posts that was started on September 21st. Why are you posting on it and not reporting it to George and his flunkies immediately?

Not to mention your ridiculous signature over there. I would have called you on that and banned your butt for that monstrosity.

Why don't you post the court order? That would show us the case number and parties, so that I could access all of the documents and confirm your story. This site is set up to handle very large PDFs and you will find it easy to put documents up here.

Soapboxmom

Yrs contact GEORGE if you are making threats as it is admins responsibility to approve signatures. Please ue your power of influence to change what you see fit. Stop your sad attempts at rocking my boat as it is tedious.

littleroundman
10-16-2011, 05:49 AM
You have no proof of any wrong doing it is people like you that delibrately make it your life to ruin people. It seems like a personal crusade.
Come clean with any real evidence of your evil attempts to tarnish my reputation as people only see your vane attempts that are unsubstantialed just hearsay.
So table conclusive evidence or stop your personal atttacks as this is pretty swallow.

Personal ??

No way,

I don't know you, nor do I care to.

You're just one of a squillion low level fraudsters who inhabit the internet in 2011.

Facts are facts,

2 X 2 cyclers are illegal

Property Wikia is not as it seems.

Both you and "Property Wikia" decided to operate in the public domain,

not me, not REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com/)

You want to make money on the 'net ??

Come clean, provide the proof of the claims you're making, otherwise what you're saying is just froth and bubble.

IOW, put up or shut up.

littleroundman
10-16-2011, 10:15 AM
LOL the court order did remove the scam.com posts and all you guys did was restart them so we all know PropertyWikia did go to court and the first time every scam.com removed posts. So these guys formed another ID or username and Scam.com and started the threads over again it is just typical of inexperienced network marketers crying Wolf.

So, Mr "I'm just a poor, lowly affiliate" Cuthbert.

* Which court issued the order ??

* To whom was the order issued ??

* How did the court decide whether or not it had jurisdiction ??

* The owner of Scam.com resides in Canada, was the notice served there ??

* The domain is registered to a Romanian address:


scam.com

208.86.2.178

Scam Com scamcom@gmail.com
M.C.I (Marquis Communications, Inc)
CERNEI 32 LUGOJ
unit 3 suite 138
timis
AE
305500
Romania

was the notice served there, perhaps ??

The Scam.com website is hosted in the USA:


208.86.2.178

208.86.0.0 - 208.86.3.255

Rackco.com
210 N. Tucker Avenue
Suite 320
St. Louis
MO
63101
United States

Did Racko perchance receive the order ??

IOW,

once again, you're either bullshi****g or believing what you've been told by the mysterious people behind "Property Wikia"

Personally, I think it far more likely someone sent an authoritative sounding letter and the owner, one George Dranichak, folded like a house of cards and removed the relevant thread.

Purely conjecture, of course, but, if it did occur that way, it wouldn't be the first time.

terrycythbert
10-16-2011, 01:45 PM
So, Mr "I'm just a poor, lowly affiliate" Cuthbert.

* Which court issued the order ??

* To whom was the order issued ??

* How did the court decide whether or not it had jurisdiction ??

* The owner of Scam.com resides in Canada, was the notice served there ??

* The domain is registered to a Romanian address:



was the notice served there, perhaps ??

The Scam.com website is hosted in the USA:



Did Racko perchance receive the order ??

IOW,

once again, you're either bullshi****g or believing what you've been told by the mysterious people behind "Property Wikia"

Personally, I think it far more likely someone sent an authoritative sounding letter and the owner, one George Dranichak, folded like a house of cards and removed the relevant thread.

Purely conjecture, of course, but, if it did occur that way, it wouldn't be the first time.

LOL ask Geprge himself as you are on a first name basis. All threads were removed and the following day idiots like yourself just started the threads again.
Attack Attack Attack go for it dig deep and get your answers from your so called friends you havent found any fraud why? There is none thats why.

Remember every thread you write people contact me directly as they question you and the idiots that post on scam.com, so it is free advertising for me.
All I do is answer every thread in my own time to get more mileage as people respect someone that fight idiots like you.

So far you havent proven any scam just "The By Who Cried Wolf"

Any serious people that want to talk logic and can list properties I suggest you take a look below

Here are some of my Commissions accumulating at PropertyWikia to date:

(5343) 19-09-2011 D/line - Sale Once Off Override dates & amounts... Published 20-09-2011 $158.00 USD
(4557) 12-09-2011 D/line - Sale Once Off Override dates & amounts... Published 20-09-2011 $158.00 USD
(5016) 16-09-2011 D/line - Sale Once Off Override dates & amounts... Published 16-09-2011 $158.00 USD
(6799) 04-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 04-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(6795) 04-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 04-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(6435) 30-09-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 30-09-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(6431) 30-09-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 30-09-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(5675) 23-09-2011 Client - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 23-09-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(6977) 05-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 05-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(6973) 05-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 05-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(6807) 04-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 04-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(6803) 04-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 04-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(6801) 04-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 04-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(7007) 05-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 05-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(7003) 05-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 05-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(6997) 05-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 05-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(6994) 05-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 05-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(6984) 05-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 05-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(7163) 06-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 06-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(7162) 06-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 06-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(7161) 06-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 06-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(7160) 06-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 06-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD
(7159) 06-10-2011 Realtor - Sale Once Off Commission dates & amounts... Published 06-10-2011 $3,160.00 USD

Commission this month ONLY:$57,354.00 USD
Total Commission accrued all months: $67,845.20 USD

These are only some of the transcations but my accumulated commissions so far as I had a week holiday this month also.

Fell free to contact me on Skype - terrycuthbert

terrycythbert
10-16-2011, 01:58 PM
I am happy to chat and talk about my experience on the net with making money.

I started online fulltime October 2010 making money online. Like you all I spent $1000's learning before I made any money.

I had a program Unlimited Recruiting teaching people how to be self employed and how to stay motivated and structure their day etc, this was $9.99 per month as a subscriber via PayPal . It was a lot of work.

I wrote to my recruits to show them every program I went into and and the benefits and rewards. (Only my opinion remember all real time).
This was all based on me being new so I was 100% transparent.

I made $180,000 in my first year (October 2010 - September 2011) but I had a downline and we worked as a team this was what being a leader is about.
As we all know 97% of online marketers make less than $10 per week and tend to give up. I still have my team with me.
Some of the programs we joined disappeared as the admin werent transparent.

I got frustrated with these programs so in April 2011 decided to build my own propgrams and now have 8 online programs.

PropertyWikia I paid $16,000 for the New Zealand under lying license and got a signed written agreement from Brian Thomas of PropertyWikia
my affiliate manager is Julian Vincent. he looks after 100 affiliates.

On the way you meet alot of young to retired people omline, negative and positive people. Alot of helpful people trying to get by and needing money,
So I have built up over 26,000+ Skype contacts. I dont do email blasts (not me)

Please feel free to contact me Skype - terrycuthbert

terrycythbert
10-16-2011, 02:10 PM
All I can say is when you put you face and contact details on the net it is for people to see someone 100% transparent.

People like me will always be a target for people like yourself as we are here to be challenged but you tend to be "The Boy Who Cry Wolf"
so I accept this as it is my role as a professional to answer threads.
Reason?
There are more optimistic people in this world then negative people like yourself that would rsther kick over some kids sand castle on the beach
as you are trying to be a bully.

If you feel lost on the net and live in the scam thread sites remmeber they are a great place for people like me to get milage and meet new people.
I dont crumble because some calls me an asshole, lol. Discussions get heated but when you see half cocked posts remember there are people that
have nothing in their lives but to make it personal to expose someone that they have no idea about.
I am available Skype - terrycuthbert

laidback
10-16-2011, 02:29 PM
LOL, notice how he continues to spout BS and sidestep the questions about were the supposed court order was issued from/to? Evasion like that should make any of his clients/customers really nervous.

littleroundman
10-16-2011, 04:59 PM
LOL, notice how he continues to spout BS and sidestep the questions about were the supposed court order was issued from/to? Evasion like that should make any of his clients/customers really nervous.

You noticed that, did you ??

Man,

I haven't seen that much ducking and diving since I watched the synchronized swimming at the last Olympics.

terrycythbert
10-16-2011, 06:24 PM
You noticed that, did you ??

Man,

I haven't seen that much ducking and diving since I watched the synchronized swimming at the last Olympics.

LOL, the court order was between PropertyWikia ans Scam.com so run to your so called mate Goerge at Scam.com and ask him why all the posts and thread were removed. I dont need to prove nothing to you as you are just on a witch hunt and questions you ask about court cases and court orders are irrelevant as it has been actioned. I am not a document server, lol. At Scam.com New posts and thread started the following day from the same people.

END OF STORY SIMPLE.

laidback
10-16-2011, 07:10 PM
LOL, the court order was between PropertyWikia ans Scam.com so run to your so called mate Goerge at Scam.com and ask him why all the posts and thread were removed. I dont need to prove nothing to you as you are just on a witch hunt and questions you ask about court cases and court orders are irrelevant as it has been actioned. I am not a document server, lol. At Scam.com New posts and thread started the following day from the same people.

END OF STORY SIMPLE. LOL just another scammer caught making statements with no basis in fact. Court order? Yeah, right...! It's not that you "don't need to prove nothing" it's that you CAN'T...! REAL court cases and court orders ARE relevant! The pretend ones in your head are not...!

Soapboxmom
10-16-2011, 07:36 PM
LOL, the court order was between PropertyWikia ans Scam.com so run to your so called mate Goerge at Scam.com and ask him why all the posts and thread were removed. I dont need to prove nothing to you as you are just on a witch hunt and questions you ask about court cases and court orders are irrelevant as it has been actioned. I am not a document server, lol. At Scam.com New posts and thread started the following day from the same people.

END OF STORY SIMPLE.
You made the claim and should have the proof lad. Let's have the case number, county, lawyer's name etc. and then we can look up the case records / docket and confirm that such a court order was issued.

If this alleged order exists why are the new posts up there after 3 weeks? George tried to bribe me to remove posts about him here. That should give you guys a hint as to how to get posts removed from Scamdotcom in the future. Unfortunately for you scammers, we don't remove posts here without real court orders or at the discretion of an administrator with good cause, so your little meltdown will be here for years to come! :loser:

Soapboxmom

terrycythbert
10-16-2011, 09:53 PM
You made the claim and should have the proof lad. Let's have the case number, county, lawyer's name etc. and then we can look up the case records / docket and confirm that such a court order was issued.

If this alleged order exists why are the new posts up there after 3 weeks? George tried to bribe me to remove posts about him here. That should give you guys a hint as to how to get posts removed from Scamdotcom in the future. Unfortunately for you scammers, we don't remove posts here without real court orders or at the discretion of an administrator with good cause, so your little meltdown will be here for years to come! :loser:

Soapboxmom

At least you answered yourself. So there are new posts for the last 3 weeks the previous BS was removed and George said to our guys it was the first time a court order was successful in removing material from scam.com. The proof is there.

Any new stuff is compliling but just repetitive inuendo

For you to call everyone SCAMMERS as you highlight tells us all your looking at yourself in the mirror and you have a guilty conscience. No need to call us Lads as it only your ego being pampered.

Please go and see George for these court documents but he wont talk to you as you have obvioulsy written material about him here, as you kindly point out. Even his bribery couldnt get you to remove it.

So back at your LAD prove the correspondence you say George Bribed you with?

I will respond to every thread with you calling me a scammer as it is unsubstantiated inuendo you post and obviously your one miserable person that thinks he here to intimidate people. Well LAD me not worried about you as you hide behind a fake profile anyway.

I am 100% transparent and LOL people are contacting me daily from these sites to join my team so thanks for helping.

I would pay you a referral fee but you have only shown everyone your immaturity, so we teach people like you a lesson. How? We keep 100% of what we earn, lol.

Keep up the great work I love it.

Joe Public love winners that fight and stand up agiant people like you that sit all day in a darken room sending spam or going to scam sites as the
" Boy Who Cried Wolf"

Soapboxmom
10-16-2011, 10:14 PM
The threads about George Dranichak will not be removed as they are factual. The fact George removed the threads on Scamdotcom proves nothing. He removes threads all the time. George removes things even though he has been told the threads are needed for litigation and even though a judge has specifically said they do not need to be removed. So, don't tell me that a thread disappearing proves a court order exists, lad.

Give us the case number, the county the case is filed in, the names of all the parties and the names of the attorneys. That will verify your wild story, scammer!
:pou:


Soapboxmom

littleroundman
10-16-2011, 10:37 PM
Once again, young Terry has made another longwinded post in which he said NOTHING

No facts, no answers to questions, no case numbers, no registration, no proof of listings

abso-bloody-lutely NOTHING related to Property Wikia being fraud on so many levels.

Whip
10-16-2011, 10:52 PM
You never really expected much else did you. The diatribes are as weak as one of doyliegirl's.

terrycythbert
10-16-2011, 11:07 PM
Once again, young Terry has made another longwinded post in which he said NOTHING

No facts, no answers to questions, no case numbers, no registration, no proof of listings

abso-bloody-lutely NOTHING related to Property Wikia being fraud on so many levels.

LOL what case numbers? We covered this move forward boys.

Here are 4 listings Via Remax Real Estate here in New Zealand who registered under me. I have another 20


PropertyWikia - For Sale - North East, East Tamaki, Manukau, New Zealand (http://www.propertywikia.com/property/8348)

PropertyWikia - For Sale - Maraetai, East, auckland, Manukau, New Zealand (http://www.propertywikia.com/property/7162)

PropertyWikia - For Sale - Half moon bay, East, auckland, Manukau, New Zealand (http://www.propertywikia.com/property/7161)

PropertyWikia - For Sale - Howick, East, auckland, Manukau, New Zealand (http://www.propertywikia.com/property/7160)

Please feel free to persuse.

What we have found is that Realtors are incorrectly adding information re - m2 or square feet, land area etc. This is gets addressed daily as listings come in.
I have access to 18000+ property on the market here in New Zealand so the scoop is huge here for affiliates.

The attrition rate or fall over rate is predominant in real estate so PropertyWikia is the same. Eg. A realtor or private sale can be procured outside of PropertyWikia so in affect the property is not sold via PropertyWikia so the affiliate is not entitled to commission. This is normal in real Estate unless it is an exclusive arrangement.

I currently have a team of 30 affiliates below me some teams have over 200+ affiliates.

Listing properties is what it is all about

littleroundman
10-16-2011, 11:52 PM
Listing properties is what it is all about

Oh, come on,

"listing properties is what it's all about" ???

What sort of bulls**t is that ??

Listing properties produces you NOTHING.

Geez, Tezza,

the more you talk, the more you incriminate yourself AND Property Wikia.

This has now become a bigger pile of male bovine excreta than the Flat Earth Society.

terrycythbert
10-17-2011, 12:57 AM
Oh, come on,

"listing properties is what it's all about" ???

What sort of bulls**t is that ??

Listing properties produces you NOTHING.

Geez, Tezza,

the more you talk, the more you incriminate yourself AND Property Wikia.

This has now become a bigger pile of male bovine excreta than the Flat Earth Society.

OMG I really find you funny this is a real estate program do you have rocks in your head. Am I talking to an idiot?
You list property, they sell in a time frame as specified on the website. You get paid from a property selling.
Wow I did this for 22 years and your telling me I dont know what I am talking about.

Try selling real estate with no property listings, Try being a Taxi driver with no Taxi, Try selling fast food with no food.

Your a JOKE and people reading these threads can see your thick.

I have better things to do then deal with you young lad I heard it all now.

DON'T NEED LISTINGS TO MAKE MONEY LMAO of course you need listings you idiot it is a property finders program HELLO!!

littleroundman
10-17-2011, 02:51 AM
How excellent.

Once again, a fraudster exposes himself in his own words.

In one of the most severely depressed markets in modern memory, Property Wikia "affiliates" make money by stealing other peoples' listings and "selling" them within a set time frame or the lister "affiliate" or owner gets paid a penalty fee.

Y-e-a-h, right,

sure you do.

I don't know how much more evidence you could provide that both you and Property Wikia are simply poorly disguised money games.

BUT, I'm sure you'll try.

"It's all about the listings"

my a** it is.

Geez, Tezza,

get yourself a new schtick,

this one's so transparent blind Freddy could see through it.

littleroundman
10-17-2011, 04:20 AM
They made a movie depicting Tezza Cuthberts' 22 year real estate career:

http://www.jawshark.com/photos/leaping_shark.gif

Maybe we should all join Property Wikia and shoot off to the USA.

Just think of all those hundreds of thousands of repossessed and unsalable properties dragging the country into recession, just waiting to take part in Property Wikias' scheme.

The mortgagees, banks and owners could be making money from them, instead of letting them sit doing nothing.

Why hasn't the Obama government asked Terry to solve the real estate crisis ??

Somehow, Tezzas' "it's all about the listings" mantra rings true.

Which isn't surprising.

terrycythbert
10-17-2011, 06:17 AM
They made a movie depicting Tezza Cuthberts' 22 year real estate career:

http://www.jawshark.com/photos/leaping_shark.gif

Maybe we should all join Property Wikia and shoot off to the USA.

Just think of all those hundreds of thousands of repossessed and unsalable properties dragging the country into recession, just waiting to take part in Property Wikias' scheme.

The mortgagees, banks and owners could be making money from them, instead of letting them sit doing nothing.

Why hasn't the Obama government asked Terry to solve the real estate crisis ??

Somehow, Tezzas' "it's all about the listings" mantra rings true.

Which isn't surprising.

USA the land of OPPORTUNITY and FREEDOM LMAO

I wouldnt live in the USA

New Zealand is perfect. I am happy and you both must be so pissed off as I am getting new affiliates every time you write your crap.

Ever wondered how the USA property market crashed? 100% finanace LO DOC applications to 13 years olds LOL.

We sit back here in New Zealand watching the USA struggle because of greed. Go sort your country out boys before the CHINESE do.

LMAO land of opportunity

littleroundman
10-17-2011, 06:21 AM
Poor Terry,

can't even get being a smartass right.

terrycythbert
10-17-2011, 06:44 AM
Poor Terry,

can't even get being a smartass right.

WOW LITTLEROUNDMAN has 1354 posts since he joined that says he annoys alot of people with his great ability to google search. wow what a talent you are you need help my friend serious help. Do you have a job?

littleroundman
10-17-2011, 06:53 AM
That's right, Tezza, don't answer any questions, attack the questioners.

Excellent tactic.

I don't know about your skills, although I can guess, but normally, I can log on, check the latest posts and draft a reply in a matter of minutes.

YMMV, of course.

To be honest, it's not the Google searches you should be concerned about.

In my country we have this thing called a "telephone"

It's amazing.

Combine it with a Google search and one can speak directly with advertisers, listers and owners.

It's any easy way of finding out whether or not Property Wikia and its' "affiliates" are lying or not.

Works well, too.

terrycythbert
10-17-2011, 01:09 PM
That's right, Tezza, don't answer any questions, attack the questioners.

Excellent tactic.

I don't know about your skills, although I can guess, but normally, I can log on, check the latest posts and draft a reply in a matter of minutes.

YMMV, of course.

To be honest, it's not the Google searches you should be concerned about.

In my country we have this thing called a "telephone"

It's amazing.

Combine it with a Google search and one can speak directly with advertisers, listers and owners.

It's any easy way of finding out whether or not Property Wikia and its' "affiliates" are lying or not.

Works well, too.

You need to list your questions that are actually of relevance guys this is tedious. So here to answer them guys.
You have your chance. If you really need to call me you can on Skype - terrycuthbert or all my Mobile (64) 21 1251987
Remember guys it is about being transparent.

So do you have a real name or do you hide behind LITTLEROUNDMAN? Let the readers see who you are.

laidback
10-17-2011, 01:43 PM
You need to list your questions that are actually of relevance guys this is tedious. So here to answer them guys.
You have your chance. If you really need to call me you can on Skype - terrycuthbert or all my Mobile (64) 21 1251987
Remember guys it is about being transparent. Yeah, right...! Love how ya "transparently" posted court venues and case numbers for your imaginary court order.

So do you have a real name or do you hide behind LITTLEROUNDMAN? Let the readers see who you are.
This line of deflection is irrelevant to your BS claims...! I'm thinkin' we should submit you as a contestant to "Dancing With the Stars".

terrycythbert
10-17-2011, 02:22 PM
This line of deflection is irrelevant to your BS claims...! I'm thinkin' we should submit you as a contestant to "Dancing With the Stars".

All previous treads and posts were removed end of story. New one started again that are 3 weeks old. Dancing with the Stars, seriously you need to a life. LOL

terrycythbert
10-17-2011, 04:30 PM
They made a movie depicting Tezza Cuthberts' 22 year real estate career:

http://www.jawshark.com/photos/leaping_shark.gif

Maybe we should all join Property Wikia and shoot off to the USA.

Just think of all those hundreds of thousands of repossessed and unsalable properties dragging the country into recession, just waiting to take part in Property Wikias' scheme.

The mortgagees, banks and owners could be making money from them, instead of letting them sit doing nothing.

Why hasn't the Obama government asked Terry to solve the real estate crisis ??

Somehow, Tezzas' "it's all about the listings" mantra rings true.

Which isn't surprising.

Here is 3 new listings today via Remax here in New Zealand.

PropertyWikia - For Sale - South East, Flatbush, Manukau, New Zealand (http://www.propertywikia.com/property/8453)

PropertyWikia - For Sale - South East, Faltbush, Manukau, New Zealand (http://www.propertywikia.com/property/8455)

PropertyWikia - For Sale - South East, Flatbush, Manukau, New Zealand (http://www.propertywikia.com/property/8457)

Keep smiling

littleroundman
10-17-2011, 06:37 PM
This line of deflection is irrelevant to your BS claims...! I'm thinkin' we should submit you as a contestant to "Dancing With the Stars".

IF, and I do mean IF, this whole thing were in any way real, can you imagine the size of the liability Property Wikia is accruing with each listing ??

Sooner or later people are going to start realizing this is completely unsustainable.

ESPECIALLY in the current economic climate.

from the Property Wikia website:


We guarantee to sell it within 12 weeks or pay you $158.00 USD compensation weekly until we do!

So, for every new listing an "affiliate" posts, Property Wikia is liable for $158 weekly after 12 weeks of not selling.

Either Property Wikia has the best sales record on the planet during this slump, or it's all B/S.

I vote for B/S

terrycythbert
10-17-2011, 10:32 PM
IF, and I do mean IF, this whole thing were in any way real, can you imagine the size of the liability Property Wikia is accruing with each listing ??

Sooner or later people are going to start realizing this is completely unsustainable.

ESPECIALLY in the current economic climate.

from the Property Wikia website:



So, for every new listing an "affiliate" posts, Property Wikia is liable for $158 weekly after 12 weeks of not selling.

Either Property Wikia has the best sales record on the planet during this slump, or it's all B/S.

I vote for B/S

I appreciate your questions.

Any affiliate that purchase an HQ area for the one time $178 USD has alot of work to do. They need to accumulate $3,140 in gross commission in their back office prior to being paid. So if they recieve (after 12 weeks) $158 USD then they have to accummulate $3,140 prior to making a withdrawal.

Vendor/Sellers are the same but get paid the $158 after WEEK 12 but on the 15th week. NOT THE REALTOR

Any property sold the Buyer and Realtor/Vendor negotiate privately not PropertyWikia.

From my personal Skype

[4/10/2011 7:59:21 a.m.] PropertyWikia - Julian Vincent: our sellers list a property
[4/10/2011 7:59:32 a.m.] PropertyWikia - Julian Vincent: our buyers look at property
[4/10/2011 8:01:03 a.m.] PropertyWikia - Julian Vincent: our sellers award us a saveshare
[4/10/2011 8:01:17 a.m.] PropertyWikia - Julian Vincent: our buyer start negotiating with the seller
[4/10/2011 8:01:59 a.m.] PropertyWikia - Julian Vincent: seller property is priced at 400k AUD
[4/10/2011 8:03:17 a.m.] PropertyWikia - Julian Vincent: Buyer consults the negotiator and asks it to get a reduction in price of 15% and offers the negotiator 40% of its saving if success
[4/10/2011 8:04:01 a.m.] PropertyWikia - Julian Vincent: investors works the same but on a fixed finder fee plus % of reduction

So PropertyWikia doesnt really have this huge exposure it isnt what you make out it to be.
The BUYERS/INVESTORS that PropertyWikia supply listings to are pre approved investors with finance in place and from the lenders that advertise on the PropertyWikia site.

I am open to questions but prior to this wnat you to stop the abuse and name calling and act like professionals. Same goes to me.

Ihave had Remax in Denver, USA contact my close friend who own Remax here in Auckland, New Zealand saying you guys have emailed them to say it is a scam. So they understand all listings done via Remax, Auckland, New Zealand are legitimately listed by the Realtor concerned.

I thankyou for your efforts to disrupt everyone lives but we are all professionals.

littleroundman
10-17-2011, 11:03 PM
Absolute nonsense, Terry.

The math tells the story.

AND, what's more, in a time of economic depression, the math tells the story even more so.

You can go 'round and 'round the mulberry bush all you like,

you can introduce imaginary multiple hoops the buyers/sellers/listers have to go through before "qualifying"

The math tells the story.

I am in no doubt you can find plenty of "listings"

After all, Andy Bowdoin and AdSurf Daily acquired 80,000 members and Bernard Madoff some of the smartest in the land.

When times are tough and there's a carrot being dangled, people will do lots of things they would normally shy away from.

Likewise, I'm sure there are people who will join BECAUSE REALSCAM.com (www.RealScam.com) warns people not to become involved.

They'll call us "haterz" and "dreamstealers" and probably blame us as well when Property Wikia goes belly up, saying if we'd been kinder and gentler and not as dismissive, they probably would have listened.

Same ol', same ol' happens every time.

In the meantime, Property Wikia is still NOT what it seems.

terrycythbert
10-18-2011, 01:36 AM
Absolute nonsense, Terry.

The math tells the story.

AND, what's more, in a time of economic depression, the math tells the story even more so.

You can go 'round and 'round the mulberry bush all you like,

you can introduce imaginary multiple hoops the buyers/sellers/listers have to go through before "qualifying"

The math tells the story.

I am in no doubt you can find plenty of "listings"

After all, Andy Bowdoin and AdSurf Daily acquired 80,000 members and Bernard Madoff some of the smartest in the land.

When times are tough and there's a carrot being dangled, people will do lots of things they would normally shy away from.

Likewise, I'm sure there are people who will join BECAUSE REALSCAM.com (www.RealScam.com) warns people not to become involved.

They'll call us "haterz" and "dreamstealers" and probably blame us as well when Property Wikia goes belly up, saying if we'd been kinder and gentler and not as dismissive, they probably would have listened.

Same ol', same ol' happens every time.

In the meantime, Property Wikia is still NOT what it seems.

No we as little affiliates are doing the work and getting listings and 97% will fail in any online program as they give up.

You alone can't destroy a program so stop thinking you are so powerful and get off your high horse.
You need to concentrate on destroying little programs and you will feel better and more important to yourself.

The first thing good network marketers do is call a program scam and then get the traffic to lead them to their opportunity the oldest trick in the book.
Article writing gets tedious so you stop here for a coffee break to try and weave your knitting needles.

In October 2012 all Propertywikia HQ areas become Franchises so we are building a long term business.
It cost the average real estate office $30,000 a month to run an office before they as Licensee's make a $1
So for $178 USD one time we run around loading properties to build a Global program that is getting over 100;s of listings a day.

So onwards and upwards and lets help BUYERS and SELLERS into property. The law of the land shall prevail

littleroundman
10-18-2011, 02:32 AM
Once again,

heavy on the rhetoric,

short on the facts.

littleroundman
10-18-2011, 02:57 AM
Here ya go,

from Property Wikias' front page here: PropertyWikia - Search, Buy, Sell, Rent, Invest & Earn from Property! (http://www.propertywikia.com/)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/rubbishpersonified.jpg

NOTE: highlighted in red:
"We guarantee to sell it within 12 weeks or pay you $158.00 USD compensation weekly until we do!"

no asterisk, no disclaimer, just the statement.

Here's what's REALLY happening in the US market:


2011 to be worst yet for U.S. foreclosures
By Janna Herron, Associated Press 10:15 PM Thursday, January 13, 2011
NEW YORK — The bleakest year in the foreclosure crisis has only just begun.


Lenders are poised to take back more homes this year than any other since the U.S. housing meltdown began in 2006. About 5 million borrowers are at least two months behind on their mortgages and industry experts say more people will miss payments because of job losses and also loans that exceed the value of the homes they are living in.


“2011 is going to be the peak,” said Rick Sharga, a senior vice president at RealtyTrac Inc. The foreclosure tracker on Thursday predicted 1.2 million homes will be repossessed this year.


The blistering pace of foreclosures this year will top 2010, when a record 1 million homes were lost, RealtyTrac said.


One in 45 U.S. households received a foreclosure filing, a record 2.9 million of them. That’s up 1.67 percent from 2009.


Likewise, the crisis locally shows no signs of abating, said Beth Deutscher, executive director of the HomeOwnership Center of Greater Dayton, which provides counseling and other services to troubled homeowners.


In Montgomery County, new foreclosure cases filed last totaled around 5,000, “which is still very much a crisis range,” Deutscher said. “We really don’t have any indications that those numbers are going to go down anytime soon.” 2011 to be worst yet for U.S. foreclosures (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/nation-world-news/2011-to-be-worst-yet-for-u-s-foreclosures--1053885.html)

So, either what Terry and Property Wikia are saying is either a downright lie, or a classic case of "bait and switch" marketing.

While Australian real estate sales are not in such dire straits:



Posted by Glenn at 1:58 pm on August 30, 2011



House sales are down, so are people moving house less often? (http://blog.id.com.au/2011/housing-trends-2/housingandmoving/)
Posted by Glenn at 1:58 pm on August 30, 2011

The Land Values Research Group, an economic blog which looks at things like monetary policy, taxation and housing investment, recently published an interesting article, which said that dwelling turnover rate is at a 16 year low.
It shows that sales of dwellings across Australia are at their lowest rate since 1995.
In 1995, house prices were depressed and didn’t start to rise until about 1998, which was the beginning of the enormous rise in house values that we’ve seen over the past decade or so. What does Census data show about the change to this point and what demographic impacts it may have?

NO ONE, and I do mean NO ONE, can offer a guarantee to sell in 12 weeks or pay compensation.

The market is depressed EVERYWHERE.

Listing means NOTHING in a depressed market.

Property Wikia and/or Terry Cuthbert simply cannot deliver on the "hook" line front and center on their page

littleroundman
10-18-2011, 09:46 AM
Ihave had Remax in Denver, USA contact my close friend who own Remax here in Auckland, New Zealand saying you guys have emailed them to say it is a scam. So they understand all listings done via Remax, Auckland, New Zealand are legitimately listed by the Realtor concerned.

Hmmnn,

I was wondering why the "Remax" name and logo mysteriously disappeared from the listings Mr Cuthbert posted.

They were there in glorious colour last night,

and today ??

"poof" gone like a phony real estate "lister" whose commissions are due to be paid.

littleroundman
10-18-2011, 11:19 AM
Can we spell P-Y-R-A-M-I-D people ??

In Property Wikias' own words:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/pyramidintheirownwords.jpg

18 LEVELS DEEP ??????

C'mon now, boys, at least TRY to look legitimate

littleroundman
10-18-2011, 11:24 AM
Still not convinced ???

How about these promises,

I haven't seen so much absolute horse manure in one place since last time I went to the races:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/evenbetterBS.jpg

littleroundman
10-18-2011, 11:39 AM
So,

"Property Wikia" have started a PR campaign in support of their poorly disguised fraudulent pyramid scheme/s.

Which lead me to ask: Exactly who ARE this mysterious "3iCatalyst" group.

Then, I noticed a strange thing,

they don't actually call themselves "3icatalyst"

In fact, they call themselves 3icatalyst.COM

And, here they are: 3icatalyst (http://3icatalyst.com/)

Nothing much to see, except this message:


Pre-Registration

3iCatalyst is currently a closed community of businesses that we invest in and incubate. However in a very short time we are going to launch a new breed of NO VC investors, incubation and funding service to help launch start ups, help fund existing businesses and turnaround others.
If you would like to pre-register your details to work with 3iCatalyst or get funded or simply get invaluable expert advice simply pre-register with us.
You can pre-register your project for funding, as an expert, an investor or an affiliate. Select one of the subject lines from the drop down below;
I would like to pre-register as:

So what, you might say

Something just didn't sit right with me, until it struck me:

BINGO !!!

"3iCatalyst" is designed to capitalize on the good name of the REAL international investment company: The 3i Group (http://www.3i.com/)

I'm tellin' ya,

I haven't seen this much twisting and turning since I last took the lid off my worm farm.

terrycythbert
10-18-2011, 03:15 PM
Hmmnn,

I was wondering why the "Remax" name and logo mysteriously disappeared from the listings Mr Cuthbert posted.

They were there in glorious colour last night,

and today ??

"poof" gone like a phony real estate "lister" whose commissions are due to be paid.

You seem to be making things up my friend as I discussed with the Realtor which LOGO they are adding and it is being sorted this week.
The Realtor Eric Chase has his contacts details in all the listings he owns the Remax Branch

They have been getting just over 100 views a day on their listing via PropertyWikia

Julie Diligent
10-18-2011, 04:10 PM
Diligent by name and diligent by nature — and a paid-up PropertyWikia Affiliate — I thought I'd see what light I can shed on one or two of the contentious issues surrounding the business...

THE COMPANY REGISTRATION ISSUE

Let's first of all be sure of what PropertyWikia claims about its legal structure on the 'About Us' page:



"PropertyWikia is the public trading arm of the RMV Group which is a private investment platform and both are 'trading names' of and fully owned by 3iCatalyst.com who are based in London. 3iCatalyst is a partnership and PropertyWikia is a trading name/brand name.

RMV Group is a group of over five thousand strong investors that provide PropertyWikia with its unlimited investor buying power.

3iCatalyst.com is a NO VC (No Venture Capital) incubator that funds, launches and helps run successful companies worldwide. The business handles investments of over £12.5 Billion.

Founded by some of the best business minds in today’s business world, 3iCatalyst strives to develop businesses that have significant potential for high growth and rapid return for investors. PropertyWikia is one such business.

Some of the clients 3iCatalyst participate with, fund or advise include Play.com, BlackBerry, Virgin, flickr, Yahoo, Rio Tinto, easyJet and BP - to name but a few.

Both PropertyWikia and the RMV Group are office based at Canary Wharf in London's Docklands."


Going by that statement, then, we must take it that the business names 'PropertyWikia' and 'RMV Group' are simply trading/brand names belonging to 3iCatalyst. Not companies. Not even registered trademarks. So on that basis, under UK law, the two names do NOT have to be registered with any Government body or other organisation.

Meanwhile 3iCatalyst, we’re led to believe, is a 'partnership'. Well in fact, there are 3 types of partnership in terms of legal structure: general partnership, limited partnership, and limited liability partnership (LLP). And of those, only the ‘limited’ ones are required by law to be registered. In the absence of clarification from 3iCatalyst, it's reasonable to take their partnership to be a general partnership. ( Source: http://www.businesslink.gov.uk ).

It's no surprise at all, then, that in searches of business name databases, nothing comes up for either 'PropertyWikia', or 'Property Wikia', or 'RMV Group', or '3iCatalyst'. See for yourself over at Dun & Bradstreet ( http://www.dnb.com ) and Companies House ( http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk ).

Also check out the National Business Register, where you can run a meta-search of several databases. The only one that turns up results — but results irrelevant to the issue — is their domain name database. ( See http://www.start.biz/home.htm ).

However, there is something else that's highly relevant to the registered name issue. Under 'The Company, Limited Liability Partnership and Business Names (Sensitive Words and Expressions) Regulations 2009', the word 'Group' is classed as a 'sensitive' word. A business using a name containing such a word is required to obtain prior consent to do so from a specified Government or public body. Without this, they are acting unlawfully ( source: http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/about/gbhtml/gp1.shtml ).

There would have to be an official record of any such consent, so in the absence of any other verifiable proof of their legitimacy, a perfectly reasonable due diligence question to put to PropertyWikia is...

"Have you obtained prior consent from a Government or other body to use the name 'RMV Group', and if so, would you please disclose documentary proof?"

But of course there's one Government body with which every single business of whatever legal structure must register, and that's Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs (HMRC). Which leads us neatly to the next bone of contention...

THE VAT ISSUE

A UK business that's 'distance selling' on the web such as PropertyWikia must apply for VAT registration once its VAT-taxable turnover derived from UK-based sources during the previous 12 months reaches the threshold of £70,000. ( Source: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/start/register/when-to-register.htm )

In early September 2011, a number of affiliates started to query PropertyWikia's position on VAT — their failure to disclose a VAT number; the absence of any mention of VAT on the £109 area fees; receipts/invoices showing no VAT component and no VAT number. PropertyWikia's response to these concerns was to issue this statement on 12th September:



“Why doesn't PropertyWikia charge VAT on areas?

The coding cost/s for your area/s is/are classed as a reservation. VAT should not be levied against refundable reservation.

Each area you order will transform into a *'Franchised Area' in October 2012 subject to your acceptance of its area franchise agreement.

Your franchise agreement will be available in September 2012 in you language.

Until acceptance or rejection of the franchise agreement you can generate and get paid commission and commission overrides and still get paid between now and October 2012 on you ordered areas as advertised.

Your coding cost/s reserves your *franchised areas in your name until you accept the final franchise contract. Upon acceptance of the final contract your account will be billed any VAT owing under the transaction prevalent rate (currently 20%). This payment will be deducted from earnings.

In 2012 all affiliates will get transformed into a franchise offering a local property website/portal dedicated to their HQ to attract more owners without having to invite any longer - supported by PropertyWikia.

Affiliates will be provided with a local property portal/website and the required tools to operate as part of this franchise at no extra cost. Franchise can be cancelled at any time before signature.

* More details to be released.”

( Source: http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/Joined---Ordering-Areas-Building-My-Sales-Territory/9/661 )


We got an explanation, then, of PropertyWikia's treatment of VAT on fees, but they completely ducked the legitimate questions about their current VAT status. So, to get to the bottom of all this, I gave HMRC’s VAT Helpline a ring (0845 010 9000) and asked an advisor if there's a VAT number for '3iCatalyst trading as PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group)'.

As I half expected, they said that if I can give them a VAT number they can tell me the name of the business it belongs to but they can’t do the opposite; it goes against their rules of confidentiality. Disappointing but fair enough.

Then I thought: while I’ve got a very helpful HMRC advisor on the phone I'll pump them for their take on the company's treatment of VAT on area fees. So I got them to read the Affiliate Q&As web page where the statement was posted. Here's a summary of what the advisor had to say:

The ‘VAT tax point’ — the point at which VAT must be levied on a supply — is the point at which the vendor receives payment for that supply. PropertyWikia may define an area fee as a 'refundable reservation' on a 'franchised area' but it CANNOT defer until acceptance of the franchise agreement settlement of any VAT element of a pre-paid fee. (See: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/vattosmanual/vattos5125.htm )

So there we have it... from the horse's mouth. In light of this, how should we interpret PropertyWikia's statement?

Well I interpret it to mean that if the company hasn't been charging affiliates VAT to date, they must NOT be VAT registered. And that's because over the last 12 months, turnover from all UK sources — not just from area fees — can't have totalled £70,000. However they anticipate they will have reached that threshold and be VAT registered by October 2012 when franchise agreements are signed.

But unfortunately, they haven’t applied the VAT tax point rules correctly; they've failed to understand that they can't defer VAT as proposed. Evidently not even one of "the best business minds in today’s business world" could get their grey matter round basic VAT law.

But I can guess what you're thinking by now...

"That's all very interesting, but there's a bloody great elephant in the room waving a big red flag in its trunk! Given PropertyWikia's claims about their sources of revenue, surely they would have needed to register for VAT months ago?"

Okay, let's go check out the current figures for those sources on the 'About Us' page, under 'How We Make Money': http://propertywikia.com/menu/Home/About_Us ...

Well, we don't have to look any further, do we, than 'Ad Revenue' at the top of the list for an answer to the question...


Our Ad Revenue 2011
£24,254,030.00 GBP
"This figure indicates the pre-paid advertising order
book’s balance for 2011 (fluctuates daily)."

Notice the word 'pre-paid'. That doesn't mean pledged payment. That doesn't mean pending payment. Pre-paid means digits on the sales ledger. Cash in the bank. Only £70,000 of that figure (about 0.29%) would need to be sourced in the UK for the VAT-registration threshold to have been reached.

And that's just revenue claimed for PropertyWikia. Don't forget, they say PropertyWikia is just a trade/brand name, so the business entity affiliates and third parties actually transact with must be the 3iCatalyst 'partnership'. Were we affiliates being charged VAT it would be collected by HMRC on 3iCatalyst's VAT returns.

Therefore the turnover qualifying 3iCatalyst for VAT registration must include revenue derived from handling the claimed "investments of over £12.5 Billion", plus revenue derived from any other business done with the companies whose logos appear all over their home page, plus the claimed multi-million-pound PropertyWikia revenue. (Ref: http://www.3icatalyst.com )

http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/3icatalyst.com[/url] .]

So... these perfectly reasonable due diligence questions still remain for the company to answer unequivocally:

"Is 3iCatalyst t/a PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group) registered for VAT or is it not?"

"If it is registered, what's your VAT number and why have you not charged VAT on area license fees to date?"

"If it's not registered, given your claimed turnover, which far exceeds the VAT-registration threshold, why not?"

And now, in addition...

"Regarding your September 12th statement, why have you improperly applied VAT tax point law in your treatment of VAT on area fees?"

Whilst on the subject of improperly applied law, let's deal with a very important issue I don't think has been aired...

THE TRADING SCHEMES LAW ISSUE

PropertyWikia is offering a network/multi-level marketing business opportunity, which the UK Government defines as a 'trading scheme'. As such, it falls under The Trading Schemes Regulations 1997.

Under the terms of those regulations...



[I] "A promoter of, or a participant in, a trading scheme shall not accept from a participant joining the trading scheme any payment or an undertaking to make a payment of any sum exceeding £200 unless 7 days have expired from the making of the agreement relating to goods or services supplied or to be supplied under that agreement to the participant by the promoter or any other participant under the trading scheme."


(Source: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/30/regulation/10/made )


In layman's language... an MLM company cannot charge an enrolee more than £200 within the first 7 days of their joining the business.

Yet, following their 24-hour trial period, an enrolling PropertyWikia affiliate is encouraged to fork out well in excess of that legal limit. They're offered a single area license costing £109 and the option to buy up to 11 more, discounted on a sliding scale when ordered at the same time. This is the price list:


1 — £109.00
2 — £196.20
3 — £287.76
4 — £374.96
5 — £452.35
6 — £523.20
7 — £587.51
8 — £654.00
9 — £706.32
10 — £719.40
11 — £743.38
12 — £719.40

So the next query PropertyWikia need to deal with — before Trading Standards or City of London Police deal with them — is...

"Why are you taking payments from new affiliates for more than 2 areas, in violation of Trading Schemes law?"

So, ladies and gentlemen of the jury... 3iCatalyst trading as PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group). Scam or no scam? Conspiracy to defraud or conspiracy to revolutionise the property market?

You may like to retire, do your own due diligence, and consider your verdict.

You can probably guess what my verdict is.

littleroundman
10-18-2011, 07:40 PM
Hi there, Julie and welcome to REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com)

Can I take it from your posts here and elsewhere that you won't be joining the PropertyWikia Appreciation Society any time soon ??

terrycythbert
10-18-2011, 09:13 PM
So, following a lead on the next big thing being touted around the 'net,, I decided to check out the offerings of PROPERTY WIKIA (http://www.propertywikia.com/) a UK based "new and unique" property based "opportunity:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/propertwikiadomain.jpg

Property Wikia describes its' offerings:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/propertywikiapitch.jpg

In true snoop fashion, I decide to see if this international conglomerate has anything on offer in my region.

LO and BEHOLD, they have,

this one: PropertyWikia - For Sale - Serpentine, west australian, Australia (http://www.propertywikia.com/For-Sale/Finca-Farm-Ranch/westaustralian-Serpentine/2559#lEducation)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/fakelisting.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/fakelisting2.jpg

Investigating further, I decide to check out if the property is for sale elsewhere,

Wouldn't ya know it, it IS for sale, only this time by a legitimate licensed real estate broker and member of the Real Estate Institute Of Western Australia, R.E.I.W.A here: 899 Elliot Road, Serpentine, WA 6125 - House for Sale #107520302 - realestate.com.au (http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-wa-serpentine-107520302)

http://images1.au.reastatic.net/456x342/props/107520302/Main@20Feature/20110704124037.jpg

Only this time:

a) the price is AUD $300,000 dollars cheaper @ $1,650,000 instead of the $1,950,000 being claimed by Property Wikia
b) Instead of being the 5 bedroom, 2 bathroom "ranch" being offered by Property Wikia, the property has now become a:



c) Instead of the property being as claimed by Property Wikia, it has now become: according to the genuine agent.

Can we say "Property Wikia" and its' "associates" are as dumb as a sack full of hammers and can't even steal other peoples' listings accurately ??

Goodness gracious, all we need is for the Property Wikia people to tell prospective buyers they stand to inherit a squillion bucks from a long lost relative who died in a plane crash in Nigeria leaving his fortune to a complete stranger and this would take the cake as most amateur scam of 2011.

Geez, Property Wikia, lift your game.

You're a disgrace to your chosen profession.

I agree with you there about the listing person. Property was removed by PropertyWikia as it did not meet the guide lines.

terrycythbert
10-18-2011, 11:32 PM
Diligent by name and diligent by nature — and a paid-up PropertyWikia Affiliate — I thought I'd see what light I can shed on one or two of the contentious issues surrounding the business...

THE COMPANY REGISTRATION ISSUE

Let's first of all be sure of what PropertyWikia claims about its legal structure on the 'About Us' page:



"PropertyWikia is the public trading arm of the RMV Group which is a private investment platform and both are 'trading names' of and fully owned by 3iCatalyst.com who are based in London. 3iCatalyst is a partnership and PropertyWikia is a trading name/brand name.

RMV Group is a group of over five thousand strong investors that provide PropertyWikia with its unlimited investor buying power.

3iCatalyst.com is a NO VC (No Venture Capital) incubator that funds, launches and helps run successful companies worldwide. The business handles investments of over £12.5 Billion.

Founded by some of the best business minds in today’s business world, 3iCatalyst strives to develop businesses that have significant potential for high growth and rapid return for investors. PropertyWikia is one such business.

Some of the clients 3iCatalyst participate with, fund or advise include Play.com, BlackBerry, Virgin, flickr, Yahoo, Rio Tinto, easyJet and BP - to name but a few.

Both PropertyWikia and the RMV Group are office based at Canary Wharf in London's Docklands."


Going by that statement, then, we must take it that the business names 'PropertyWikia' and 'RMV Group' are simply trading/brand names belonging to 3iCatalyst. Not companies. Not even registered trademarks. So on that basis, under UK law, the two names do NOT have to be registered with any Government body or other organisation.

Meanwhile 3iCatalyst, we’re led to believe, is a 'partnership'. Well in fact, there are 3 types of partnership in terms of legal structure: general partnership, limited partnership, and limited liability partnership (LLP). And of those, only the ‘limited’ ones are required by law to be registered. In the absence of clarification from 3iCatalyst, it's reasonable to take their partnership to be a general partnership. ( Source: Business support, information and advice | Business Link (http://www.businesslink.gov.uk) ).

It's no surprise at all, then, that in searches of business name databases, nothing comes up for either 'PropertyWikia', or 'Property Wikia', or 'RMV Group', or '3iCatalyst'. See for yourself over at Dun & Bradstreet ( D&B (http://www.dnb.com) ) and Companies House ( WebCHeck - Select and Access Company Information (http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk) ).

Also check out the National Business Register, where you can run a meta-search of several databases. The only one that turns up results — but results irrelevant to the issue — is their domain name database. ( See http://www.start.biz/home.htm ).

However, there is something else that's highly relevant to the registered name issue. Under 'The Company, Limited Liability Partnership and Business Names (Sensitive Words and Expressions) Regulations 2009', the word 'Group' is classed as a 'sensitive' word. A business using a name containing such a word is required to obtain prior consent to do so from a specified Government or public body. Without this, they are acting unlawfully ( source: Guidance - incorporation and names (GP1) (http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/about/gbhtml/gp1.shtml) ).

There would have to be an official record of any such consent, so in the absence of any other verifiable proof of their legitimacy, a perfectly reasonable due diligence question to put to PropertyWikia is...

"Have you obtained prior consent from a Government or other body to use the name 'RMV Group', and if so, would you please disclose documentary proof?"

But of course there's one Government body with which every single business of whatever legal structure must register, and that's Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs (HMRC). Which leads us neatly to the next bone of contention...

THE VAT ISSUE

A UK business that's 'distance selling' on the web such as PropertyWikia must apply for VAT registration once its VAT-taxable turnover derived from UK-based sources during the previous 12 months reaches the threshold of £70,000. ( Source: HM Revenue & Customs: When to register for UK VAT (http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/start/register/when-to-register.htm) )

In early September 2011, a number of affiliates started to query PropertyWikia's position on VAT — their failure to disclose a VAT number; the absence of any mention of VAT on the £109 area fees; receipts/invoices showing no VAT component and no VAT number. PropertyWikia's response to these concerns was to issue this statement on 12th September:



“Why doesn't PropertyWikia charge VAT on areas?

The coding cost/s for your area/s is/are classed as a reservation. VAT should not be levied against refundable reservation.

Each area you order will transform into a *'Franchised Area' in October 2012 subject to your acceptance of its area franchise agreement.

Your franchise agreement will be available in September 2012 in you language.

Until acceptance or rejection of the franchise agreement you can generate and get paid commission and commission overrides and still get paid between now and October 2012 on you ordered areas as advertised.

Your coding cost/s reserves your *franchised areas in your name until you accept the final franchise contract. Upon acceptance of the final contract your account will be billed any VAT owing under the transaction prevalent rate (currently 20%). This payment will be deducted from earnings.

In 2012 all affiliates will get transformed into a franchise offering a local property website/portal dedicated to their HQ to attract more owners without having to invite any longer - supported by PropertyWikia.

Affiliates will be provided with a local property portal/website and the required tools to operate as part of this franchise at no extra cost. Franchise can be cancelled at any time before signature.

* More details to be released.”

( Source: PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Why doesn't PropertyWikia charge VAT on areas? (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/Joined---Ordering-Areas-Building-My-Sales-Territory/9/661) )


We got an explanation, then, of PropertyWikia's treatment of VAT on fees, but they completely ducked the legitimate questions about their current VAT status. So, to get to the bottom of all this, I gave HMRC’s VAT Helpline a ring (0845 010 9000) and asked an advisor if there's a VAT number for '3iCatalyst trading as PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group)'.

As I half expected, they said that if I can give them a VAT number they can tell me the name of the business it belongs to but they can’t do the opposite; it goes against their rules of confidentiality. Disappointing but fair enough.

Then I thought: while I’ve got a very helpful HMRC advisor on the phone I'll pump them for their take on the company's treatment of VAT on area fees. So I got them to read the Affiliate Q&As web page where the statement was posted. Here's a summary of what the advisor had to say:

The ‘VAT tax point’ — the point at which VAT must be levied on a supply — is the point at which the vendor receives payment for that supply. PropertyWikia may define an area fee as a 'refundable reservation' on a 'franchised area' but it CANNOT defer until acceptance of the franchise agreement settlement of any VAT element of a pre-paid fee. (See: Actual tax points: payments: refundable deposits (http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/vattosmanual/vattos5125.htm) )

So there we have it... from the horse's mouth. In light of this, how should we interpret PropertyWikia's statement?

Well I interpret it to mean that if the company hasn't been charging affiliates VAT to date, they must NOT be VAT registered. And that's because over the last 12 months, turnover from all UK sources — not just from area fees — can't have totalled £70,000. However they anticipate they will have reached that threshold and be VAT registered by October 2012 when franchise agreements are signed.

But unfortunately, they haven’t applied the VAT tax point rules correctly; they've failed to understand that they can't defer VAT as proposed. Evidently not even one of "the best business minds in today’s business world" could get their grey matter round basic VAT law.

But I can guess what you're thinking by now...

"That's all very interesting, but there's a bloody great elephant in the room waving a big red flag in its trunk! Given PropertyWikia's claims about their sources of revenue, surely they would have needed to register for VAT months ago?"

Okay, let's go check out the current figures for those sources on the 'About Us' page, under 'How We Make Money': PropertyWikia - About PropertyWikia.com (http://propertywikia.com/menu/Home/About_Us) ...

Well, we don't have to look any further, do we, than 'Ad Revenue' at the top of the list for an answer to the question...


Our Ad Revenue 2011
£24,254,030.00 GBP
"This figure indicates the pre-paid advertising order
book’s balance for 2011 (fluctuates daily)."

Notice the word 'pre-paid'. That doesn't mean pledged payment. That doesn't mean pending payment. Pre-paid means digits on the sales ledger. Cash in the bank. Only £70,000 of that figure (about 0.29%) would need to be sourced in the UK for the VAT-registration threshold to have been reached.

And that's just revenue claimed for PropertyWikia. Don't forget, they say PropertyWikia is just a trade/brand name, so the business entity affiliates and third parties actually transact with must be the 3iCatalyst 'partnership'. Were we affiliates being charged VAT it would be collected by HMRC on 3iCatalyst's VAT returns.

Therefore the turnover qualifying 3iCatalyst for VAT registration must include revenue derived from handling the claimed "investments of over £12.5 Billion", plus revenue derived from any other business done with the companies whose logos appear all over their home page, plus the claimed multi-million-pound PropertyWikia revenue. (Ref: 3icatalyst (http://www.3icatalyst.com) )



So... these perfectly reasonable due diligence questions still remain for the company to answer unequivocally:

"Is 3iCatalyst t/a PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group) registered for VAT or is it not?"

"If it is registered, what's your VAT number and why have you not charged VAT on area license fees to date?"

"If it's not registered, given your claimed turnover, which far exceeds the VAT-registration threshold, why not?"

And now, in addition...

"Regarding your September 12th statement, why have you improperly applied VAT tax point law in your treatment of VAT on area fees?"

Whilst on the subject of improperly applied law, let's deal with a very important issue I don't think has been aired...

THE TRADING SCHEMES LAW ISSUE

PropertyWikia is offering a network/multi-level marketing business opportunity, which the UK Government defines as a 'trading scheme'. As such, it falls under The Trading Schemes Regulations 1997.

Under the terms of those regulations...



[I] "A promoter of, or a participant in, a trading scheme shall not accept from a participant joining the trading scheme any payment or an undertaking to make a payment of any sum exceeding £200 unless 7 days have expired from the making of the agreement relating to goods or services supplied or to be supplied under that agreement to the participant by the promoter or any other participant under the trading scheme."


(Source: The Trading Schemes Regulations 1997 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/30/regulation/10/made) )


In layman's language... an MLM company cannot charge an enrolee more than £200 within the first 7 days of their joining the business.

Yet, following their 24-hour trial period, an enrolling PropertyWikia affiliate is encouraged to fork out well in excess of that legal limit. They're offered a single area license costing £109 and the option to buy up to 11 more, discounted on a sliding scale when ordered at the same time. This is the price list:


1 — £109.00
2 — £196.20
3 — £287.76
4 — £374.96
5 — £452.35
6 — £523.20
7 — £587.51
8 — £654.00
9 — £706.32
10 — £719.40
11 — £743.38
12 — £719.40

So the next query PropertyWikia need to deal with — before Trading Standards or City of London Police deal with them — is...

"Why are you taking payments from new affiliates for more than 2 areas, in violation of Trading Schemes law?"

So, ladies and gentlemen of the jury... 3iCatalyst trading as PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group). Scam or no scam? Conspiracy to defraud or conspiracy to revolutionise the property market?

You may like to retire, do your own due diligence, and consider your verdict.

You can probably guess what my verdict is.

PropertyWikia Members Details

If you are a business and VAT registered we will pay VAT on your earnings. If you're registered for VAT/business tax in any country tell us your VAT number, if not leave blank:

terrycythbert
10-19-2011, 01:09 AM
Whip, I never claimed that I contacted the owner, or anybody else for that matter.
On every listing you will find a link to contact the owner, but you must register as a buyer 1st. I chose not to.
Just above the "contact owner" link is a button saying "report listing". This I did, and the property listing was suspended immediately, obviously without any human intervention. I presume the system has sent an email to the person responsible for the listing, notifying them of my report. As I stated above, I will keep a lookout for that property being re-listed.
My thoughts are that this was probably what PW call a PAL(partial area listing). This can be done by an affiliate, but only for properties within their HQ (area selected at signup). The affiliate MUST provide contact details of the owner, and if applicable, the agent. The PW system then advises the owner that their property has been listed, and provides them login details for them to confirm/edit/delete the listing. It is NOT a valid listing (for the purposes of earning the affiliate commission) until verified by the owner.
I am not making a stand for PW here, just sharing my limited understanding of how the website works. I have not listed any properties on my affiliate account at this time. I, like many, are still on the fence with this one. Time will tell.

As an Affiliate you can list a property anywhere globally via a Realtor/Vendor and get the commission of $3,140 when it sells. The affiliate that owns that HQ area gets an over ride commission of $158. So some downlines have 200+ affiliates and over 1800 listings so some affiliates dont even have listings just 100's of over ride commissions accumulating.

There have been over 3000 listings gone into the data base since I started from all affiliates.

There is no worry sitting on the fence as there is alot of real estate out there.

I wish you well.

littleroundman
10-19-2011, 02:10 AM
As an Affiliate you can list a property anywhere globally via a Realtor/Vendor and get the commission of $3,140 when it sells. The affiliate that owns that HQ area gets an over ride commission of $158. So some downlines have 200+ affiliates and over 1800 listings so some affiliates dont even have listings just 100's of over ride commissions accumulating.

There have been over 3000 listings gone into the data base since I started from all affiliates.

There is no worry sitting on the fence as there is alot of real estate out there.

I wish you well.

Either Terry Cuthbert is a complete and utter moron who doesn't have any idea what he's involved in, or he's one of the most blatant con men I've ever come across.

What Cuthbert has described above is an almost perfect textbook definition of a pyramid SCHEME.


Some affiliates don't even have listings, just hundreds of override commissions

I must apologize to regular readers.

I must confess, for a while there I really thought this was a serious problem in the making.

I now realize it's just a low level pyramid scheme.

It's not well planned OR well thought out.

It's designed for people naive enough to think making money in real estate could possibly be as "easy" as Property Wikia and it's shills make out.

ANYONE who thinks there is money to be made merely by stealing other peoples' listings is in for a rude shock.

ANYONE who thinks a real estate company can offer a "sell in 12 weeks or we pay you" guarantee is in for a rude shock.

ANYONE who thinks they can enter the real estate market without licenses, permits, VAT numbers is in for a rude shock.

ANYONE who thinks Property Wikia or the RMV Group or 3icatalyst are anything more than virtual entities is in for a rude shock.

e.g. In the UK, Propertywikia operates from an address given as: (Part of the RMV Group), Level 33, 25 Canada Square, Canary Wharf. The address is home to Citibank, but level 33 is advertised as being available as serviced and ‘virtual’ offices where ‘hot desks’ can be hired.

I would encourage readers to further investigate the Property Wikia scam by reading this excellent investigative article on (http://www.estateagenttoday.co.uk/news_features/EAT-SPECIAL-REPORT-Propertywikia-website-and-its-rich-rewards)www.estateagenttoday.co.uk (http://www.estateagenttoday.co.uk)

littleroundman
10-19-2011, 02:58 AM
WOOHOO,

Property Wikia has made it into the big time of online scams.

It has it's own thread on the home of internet fraud MMG MoneyMakers Group (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Property-Wikia-Property-t376525.html)[/URL]
AND

Guess who's posting there under the nickname of [URL="http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Property-Wikia-Property-t376525.html&view=findpost&p=6692870#entry6692870"]Moneyrotator (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Property-Wikia-Property-t376525.html)

Yep, it's our very own Terry Cuthbert.

littleroundman
10-19-2011, 03:10 AM
Somebody else has woken up:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wakeup.jpg

Propertywikia - False Advertising for $109.00 on 08/18/2011 - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits. (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/21436/Propertywikia-False-Advertising-for-109.00-on-08-18-2011)

terrycythbert
10-19-2011, 05:53 PM
Somebody else has woken up:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wakeup.jpg

Propertywikia - False Advertising for $109.00 on 08/18/2011 - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits. (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/21436/Propertywikia-False-Advertising-for-109.00-on-08-18-2011)

PropertyWikia havent recieved any Police complaints perhaps you should show the Police report here to confirm you friends concerns.
It is plain and simple no one gets paid until a property transaction has taken place and has settled or completed. This is normal in Real Estate.

terrycythbert
10-19-2011, 05:56 PM
WOOHOO,

Property Wikia has made it into the big time of online scams.

It has it's own thread on the home of internet fraud MMG MoneyMakers Group (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Property-Wikia-Property-t376525.html)[/URL]
AND

Guess who's posting there under the nickname of [URL="http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Property-Wikia-Property-t376525.html&view=findpost&p=6692870#entry6692870"]Moneyrotator (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Property-Wikia-Property-t376525.html)

Yep, it's our very own Terry Cuthbert.

Yep the first thing we do in life is check all the scam posts as it attracts viewers. You either are there to tell your views, debate, banter or use it to recruit.

Isnt this great fun guys. I love it

littleroundman
10-19-2011, 06:05 PM
It is plain and simple no one gets paid until a property transaction has taken place and has settled or completed. This is normal in Real Estate.

That's not quite true, Terry.

"Property Wikia" and the mysterious people behind it get paid their 109 dollars or pounds or whatever it is they're charging this week.

That's the whole point of this type of scam.

Everyone is looking over here to see how the scam works, while the fraudsters quietly bank the multiple $109 join up fees over there

Members are out there working their as**s off stealing/getting listings when there's no chance they're going to make money that way.

The clients aren't going to lose out, it's the members who are getting done over.

It's like watching a ventriloquist.

Everyone's watching the dummy, while the real work is being done by someone else.

terrycythbert
10-19-2011, 06:48 PM
That's not quite true, Terry.

"Property Wikia" and the mysterious people behind it get paid their 109 dollars or pounds or whatever it is they're charging this week.

That's the whole point of this type of scam.

Everyone is looking over here to see how the scam works, while the fraudsters quietly bank the multiple $109 join up fees over there

Members are out there working their as**s off stealing/getting listings when there's no chance they're going to make money that way.

The clients aren't going to lose out, it's the members who are getting done over.

It's like watching a ventriloquist.

Everyone's watching the dummy, while the real work is being done by someone else.

Sorry to disappoint you and stamp out your fire but my listings are being negotiated now between SELLER/REALTOR and BUYER

This is hard work listing properties





##### 3 new listings today
PropertyWikia - For Sale - South East, Wattle Downs, Manukau, New Zealand (http://www.propertywikia.com/property/8759)
PropertyWikia - For Sale - South East, Botany Downs/Golflands, Manukau, New Zealand (http://www.propertywikia.com/property/8764)
PropertyWikia - For Sale - East, Botany Downs/Golflands, Manukau, New Zealand (http://www.propertywikia.com/property/8772)

Commission this month ONLY: $97,968.00 USD
Total Commission accrued all months: $108,392.80 USD

As a realist I know it takes 12 weeks to get paid.
I highlight agian after 22 years of real estate this is normal to wait for both Vendor and Buyer to complete a sale and settle the transaction.

Keep smiling

littleroundman
10-19-2011, 07:20 PM
Sorry to disappoint you and stamp out your fire but my listings are being negotiated now between SELLER/REALTOR and BUYER

This is hard work listing properties

##### 3 new listings today
PropertyWikia - For Sale - South East, Wattle Downs, Manukau, New Zealand (http://www.propertywikia.com/property/8759)
PropertyWikia - For Sale - South East, Botany Downs/Golflands, Manukau, New Zealand (http://www.propertywikia.com/property/8764)
PropertyWikia - For Sale - East, Botany Downs/Golflands, Manukau, New Zealand (http://www.propertywikia.com/property/8772)

Commission this month ONLY: $97,968.00 USD
Total Commission accrued all months: $108,392.80 USD

As a realist I know it takes 12 weeks to get paid.
I highlight agian after 22 years of real estate this is normal to wait for both Vendor and Buyer to complete a sale and settle the transaction.

Keep smiling

Umm,

err,

Tezza,

I checked the listing you've given and here's the result I got when I clicked on the first (bolded) link:


http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/uhoh-1.jpg

Honestly,

sometimes I feel really, really sorry for some of the people caught up in these things, I really do.

terrycythbert
10-19-2011, 09:22 PM
Umm,

err,

Tezza,

I checked the listing you've given and here's the result I got when I clicked on the first (bolded) link:


http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/uhoh-1.jpg

Honestly,

sometimes I feel really, really sorry for some of the people caught up in these things, I really do.

All links work perfectly here sunshine. Perhaps a miner indescretion.

http://www.propertywikia.com/property/8759
http://www.propertywikia.com/property/8764
http://www.propertywikia.com/property/8772

laidback
10-19-2011, 09:32 PM
PropertyWikia havent recieved any Police complaints perhaps you should show the Police report here to confirm you friends concerns.
It is plain and simple no one gets paid until a property transaction has taken place and has settled or completed. This is normal in Real Estate.
So the claims that PW will pay if a property doesn't sell is BS, right? C'mon, dude you are starting to contradict the hype...!

terrycythbert
10-19-2011, 11:47 PM
So the claims that PW will pay if a property doesn't sell is BS, right? C'mon, dude you are starting to contradict the hype...!

Nope the GUARNTEES are there to pay a VENDOR/SELLER after 12 weeks as per the website.

Affiliates get the same but need to accumulate $3140 in the back office to claim the commission.
They also need to have 5 affiliates under them and 5 listings amongst them. Afffiliates must be seen to train their downline.

A sale of a property when settled or closed is when you as an affiliate get paid $3,140. It isnt free money.

This is all in the website when you join as a FREE affilaite for the 24 hour period to navigate through the website.
If joining make sure the person above you is familiar with navigating the website.

littleroundman
10-20-2011, 02:23 AM
So the claims that PW will pay if a property doesn't sell is BS, right? C'mon, dude you are starting to contradict the hype...!

It's perfectly clear to me;

1) Pay Property £109 Wikia for the right to:

2) be allocated a non existent "territory" whereupon:

3) you have to steal a minimum of 175 listings from whatever source you can find them, get:

4) Property Wikia to put your stolen listing on its' website, then

5) run naked around the room 3 times while:

6) whistling the theme from "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" as you:

7) accrue commissions of at least 110% of ¾ of $120,000, hoping all the while:

8) the fact neither Property Wikia or 3icatalyst exist outside of a website and a virtual office doesn't mean:

9) they'll run away leaving you with:

10) no commission and without:

11) the £109, but with:

12) the task of explaining to:

13) those you've "signed up" as well as:

14 The people and/or realtors whose listings you've thieved

Perfectly simple, if you ask me.

terrycythbert
10-20-2011, 01:53 PM
Date: 20th October 2011


We have just added a new FAQ or Help file to PropertyWikia to assist you.

The help/faq details are:
Affiliates
Website in Italian
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Italian (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/667)

Website in French
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in French (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/668)

Website in German
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in German (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/669)

Website in Spanish
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Spanish (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/670)

Website in Dutch
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Dutch (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/671)

Website in Russian
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Russian (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/672)

Website in Portuguese & Portuguese Brazillian
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Portuguese & Portuguese Brazillian (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/673)

Website in Mandarin & Cantonese (Chinese)
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Mandarin & Cantonese (Chinese) (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/674)

Website in Taiwanese
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Taiwanese (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/675)

Website in Japanese
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Japanese (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/676)

Website in Thai
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Thai (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/677)

Website in Philipino
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Philipino (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/678)

Website in Hindi, Bengali & Punjabi
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Hindi, Bengali & Punjabi (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/679)

Website in Arabic
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Arabic (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/680)

Website in Polish
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Polish (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/681)

Website in Ukranian
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Ukranian (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/682)

Website in Czech
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Czech (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/683)

Website in Hungarian
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Hungarian (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/684)

Website in Romanian
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Romanian (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/685)

Website in Serbo-Croatian
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Serbo-Croatian (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/686)

Website in Turkish
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Turkish (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/687)

Website in Vietnamese
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Vietnamese (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/688)

Website in Shanghainese
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Shanghainese (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/689)

Website in Javanese
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in Javanese (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/690)

Website in other languages
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Website in other languages (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/691)

NEW! Investor user accounts 20.12.2011
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - NEW! Investor user accounts 20.12.2011 (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/692)

NEW! Agent/Realtor video 19.12.2011
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - NEW! Agent/Realtor video 19.12.2011 (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/693)

NEW! Testimonials 19.12.2011
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - NEW! Testimonials 19.12.2011 (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/694)

NEW! User friendly front end 19.12.2011
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - NEW! User friendly front end 19.12.2011 (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/695)

NEW! About us video 19.12.2011
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - NEW! About us video 19.12.2011 (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/697)

NEW! Video how to use listing forms 19.12.2011
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - NEW! Video how to use listing forms 19.12.2011 (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/698)

NEW! Website 19.12.2011
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - NEW! Website 19.12.2011 (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/699)

Weekly training webinars starting 20.12.2011
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Weekly training webinars starting 20.12.2011 (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/700)

Weekly sales webinars starting 20.12.2011
PropertyWikia - Affiliates FAQs - Weekly sales webinars starting 20.12.2011 (http://www.propertywikia.com/menu/FAQs/Affiliate_FAQ/News-Notices-and-Updates/57/701)

terrycythbert
10-20-2011, 01:58 PM
It's perfectly clear to me;

1) Pay Property £109 Wikia for the right to:

2) be allocated a non existent "territory" whereupon:

3) you have to steal a minimum of 175 listings from whatever source you can find them, get:

4) Property Wikia to put your stolen listing on its' website, then

5) run naked around the room 3 times while:

6) whistling the theme from "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" as you:

7) accrue commissions of at least 110% of ¾ of $120,000, hoping all the while:

8) the fact neither Property Wikia or 3icatalyst exist outside of a website and a virtual office doesn't mean:

9) they'll run away leaving you with:

10) no commission and without:

11) the £109, but with:

12) the task of explaining to:

13) those you've "signed up" as well as:

14 The people and/or realtors whose listings you've thieved

Perfectly simple, if you ask me.

FREE marketing website for VENDORS/SELLERS/REALTORS

Any fake listings get removeD with Security Checks.

Which theme song to Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? LMAO

littleroundman
10-20-2011, 05:58 PM
That's nice,

better instructions for affiliates on how to lose money.

Has anybody received money in their bank accounts yet ???

Or is it that Property Wikia have come up with more and better ways to get money into THEIR accounts ???

A little bird tells me (oh, BTW, thanks little bird) that few, if any "affiliates" have received real money in their accounts.

Just lots of "numbers on their screen"

littleroundman
10-21-2011, 06:25 AM
Now, I ask you, does this look like a multi million dollar earning "business opportunity"

or does it look like your typical, run of the mill internet scam:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/PW1.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/PW2.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/PW3.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/PW4.jpg

littleroundman
10-21-2011, 10:20 AM
Gee,

3iCatalyst are a class act, aren't they ??

Here they're boasting about: having "£8.3 Billion GBP" to invest back in 2008.

In fact, they're so proud of their achievements, they used a free online press release company to trumpet their triumph:


http://www.free-press-release.com/2011v4/_css/v4/front/press/img/header_logo.jpg

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

(Free-Press-Release.com (http://www.free-press-release.com/)) January 14, 2008 -- 3iCatalyst are currently delivering £8.3 Billion GBP ‘new style’ funding to worldwide residential and commercial property developers.

3iCatalyst is a new breed of investors, incubation and funding who are dedicated to delivering financial and expert help to worldwide businesses irrelevant of industry sector and or geographical location. 3iCatalyst work with almost any type of business whatever stage they are at or their existing value. We currently deal with businesses in the range of £5,000.00GBP to £2 Billion GBP.

We help to start-up, build or improve businesses; creating strong relationships and partnerships with every client based on integrity, trust and mutual respect.

To speed up return on investments and organically fuel the growth of your business, 3iCatalyst utilise the unique resources from some of the numerous companies we have developed. We have negotiated exclusive agreements with every company we’ve worked with, to assist our new clients with business growth and providing them valuable contracts and start-up or turnaround trade agreements.

Being a multi-faceted revolutionary and unique company in the market place, we specialise in challenges, concentrating in the preparation and infrastructure of world wide start-ups, reconstructions and candidate Initial Public Offerings (IPO’s) Initial investments are attracted from our existing funds, Private Equity or our worldwide network of Angel Investors to fund growth.

3iCatalyst’s competitive advantage comes directly from its powerful international network of experts and the strength, breadth and depth of our relationships in business. These underpin the value that we deliver to our clients and the returns we always produce for our investors. Getting investment is easy, but finding the right investors with expert advice who will add value to your company is priceless. That's why 3iCatalyst are the natural choice, as perfect partners to take your business to the ultimate limit.

Founded by some of the best business minds in today’s business world, we strive to develop businesses that have significant potential for high growth and rapid return for investors. Perhaps businesses just like yours.

3iCatalyst welcomes registrations from investors, experts, professionals, entrepreneurs and businesses requiring funding and/or rapid growth.

For other press releases, or to submit business ideas or secure funding go to:

3icatalyst (http://www.3icatalyst.com) Free-press-release.com 3iCatalyst a revolutionary ?No? VC Approach to Funding (http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200801/1200350082.html)

Classy, boys,

Just oozing class

littleroundman
10-22-2011, 10:19 AM
YEE HAW !!

Now Property Wikia has grown to be the "The Largest International Real Estate Directory"

WOW, and it was only a few weeks back no one had even heard of Property Wikia.

Time to sell the farm and get in on this bad boy, people.

You can't lose:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/cantloseasif.jpg

Property Wikia: The Largest International Real Estate Directory; Sell your property within 12 weeks or we'll PAY YOU $164 each week until it's SOLD! | Make Money Online (http://weblords.org/featured-businesses/the-world-is-for-sale-affiliate-with-us-reserve-your-area-now)

littleroundman
10-22-2011, 10:47 AM
This is getting weally, weally modern,

now there's even a Property Wikia (USA) Facebook page: www.facebook.com/pages/Property-Wikia-USA/ (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Property-Wikia-USA/198221313582121?v=info#info_edit_sections)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/facebookusa.jpg

yada, yada, yada

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/fbookorganizer.jpg

and, when we check out the organizers webpage, we find you are now able to toast your Property Wikia successes in sparkling grape juice:

Nature Pearl Product (http://www.stevenhjohnson.biz/)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/realestategrapes.jpg

terrycythbert
10-22-2011, 03:11 PM
This is getting weally, weally modern,

now there's even a Property Wikia (USA) Facebook page: www.facebook.com/pages/Property-Wikia-USA/ (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Property-Wikia-USA/198221313582121?v=info#info_edit_sections)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/facebookusa.jpg

yada, yada, yada

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/fbookorganizer.jpg

and, when we check out the organizers webpage, we find you are now able to toast your Property Wikia successes in sparkling grape juice:

Nature Pearl Product (http://www.stevenhjohnson.biz/)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/realestategrapes.jpg

There are many Facebook PropertyWikia FanPages here is mine

https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/PropertyWikia-The-World-Is-For-Sale/242226349153223

Sparkling Grape Juice advert is just another intelligent marketing utilising every opportunity. Especially when they keep getting reposted.
Well Done I say. LOL

terrycythbert
10-22-2011, 03:15 PM
YEE HAW !!

Now Property Wikia has grown to be the "The Largest International Real Estate Directory"

WOW, and it was only a few weeks back no one had even heard of Property Wikia.

Time to sell the farm and get in on this bad boy, people.

You can't lose:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/cantloseasif.jpg

Property Wikia: The Largest International Real Estate Directory; Sell your property within 12 weeks or we'll PAY YOU $164 each week until it's SOLD! | Make Money Online (http://weblords.org/featured-businesses/the-world-is-for-sale-affiliate-with-us-reserve-your-area-now)

PropertyWikia is the fastest growing and yes 'The Largest International Real Estate Directory"
It hasnt been going for weeks do some research

littleroundman
10-25-2011, 06:21 AM
Now we're reaching the pointy end of the Property Wikia scam.

The time when the "affiliates" have been out there selling Property Wikias' fake product, and all the promised bonuses start coming due.

More and more people are beginning to ask questions.

People are just now starting to realize they've been had as Property Wikia starts giving them the runaround and their payments evaporate.


My big question is "where the F are they gonna find 18 levels of £250k off 175 listings, when listing is free? Right now, one affiliate can list 175 properties and the 17 people above him all apparently earn £250k EACH from his efforts! All the company has earned that is visible is 18 x £109......

Also - they say they are earning money at PW from investment buyers. Since most private sellers list at a high price, and since there are bucketloads of forced sellers out there (both private and developers / investors), I cannot understand why investors would pay PW for first dibs of overpriced individual private sales. Anyone help me out on this one?



At the moment there aren't 19 levels as the uptake has been very slow by affiliates, probably due to the unbelieveability of the structure, but from the reply I received I guess they will "evolve" the model if it looks like they are going to have to pay out too much money.


You will NOT know in 12 weeks. After 12 weeks, the $156/week shows up in your PW "account", but doesn't pay out until it reaches $3,120 - that is approximately 20 weeks. So 12 weeks + 20 weeks = 32 weeks before you will actually know if you are actually going to be paid. Also, I have noticed that on the PW site, the amount they promise is decreasing each time I go there. First the big amount was $390,000. Then it was $387,000. Now it is $385,000. ???


I was contacted by a very sweet woman who is one of their affiliates.She came to me through one of my real estate listings.
I watched the videos, checked them out on some scam exposee sites and believe they are fake.
I also heard that their office is in a "rent a desk" suite in the Citibank building in London.
I was invited to the very sweet woman's Skype forum.
The members objected to any questions that might shine a light on the fraud. No one I met online has been paid yet.
It just sounds too good to be true.


I'm a affiliate, I think it's a scam! Been doing it 9 weeks! It's getting closer to pay day and all the 25 properties I have on there, they now want them all security checked! Why? Why didn't they ask the owners for that wen they listed? Pathetic springs to mind!!! Delaying the payments??? Hmmm most certainly doing that. This is a scam. I hope it ain't but....... No one sign up for this until I get paid! Unless you wanna waste £109 for nothing!!



My experience with PropertyWikia is bad. About 3 months ago I listed my property for sale as an owner. I never had an offer, so now, because my property isn't sold, they should pay the compensation for every week my property isn't sold. All I had to do, was to confirm my inscription once again. If I didn't, no payment.

I'll be short: 50 times tried, no success. About 20 mails: not answered (or only a standard answer: confirm your inscription), mails to support come back because undeliverable. Cannot access my member page, links don't work.
One time I could reach a 'Vincent's' phone. I was told the data of my confirmation weren't the same as when I signed in. No, he wouldn't tell me what I did wrong (if I did something wrong at all because I can't access my original data so I can't control it) or how I could confirm my identity. Then he broke up the phone.
Yes, this is something very big in the making. A big scam.

littleroundman
10-25-2011, 09:40 AM
And another one from a different source:


Added by Lara (http://www.estateagenttoday.co.uk/users/signup) on 2011-10-22 12:24:54

I am one of those who tried their luck at Property Wikia. I had nothing to loose because I want to sell my house, so I listed it, for free.

Now !'m more more that 3 months further and elligible for their compensation because the property isn't sold (didn't got any reaction by the way during those 3 months).

So first, everything seems okay. They's send you an mail telling you to confirm the data you filled in when you registered.
And then, guess what, the problem start. Their webpage where you have to confirm it, says that your data are incorrect.

You than just have bad luck because there's no other possibility to confirm that you indeed are the owner. In this way, they don't have to pay.

They don't respond my many mails (or I get a kind of automatic message 'confirm that you are the owner'.
When you send emails to the support, it's undeliverable, they don't take the phone.
I was happy to get someone on the phone once, and the person told me he knew what the problem with my confirmation was but that he had no intention to tell me, I indeed had back luck and then just broke off the phone.

There's no possibility to access your own data, and the website's links don't work.

I heard this same story from more than 20 people.

So, yes, PropertyWikia.com is fake. I think it's just to get money from their affiliates and collect email addresses to use for spam.

littleroundman
10-26-2011, 07:03 AM
Good luck to any poor "affiliate" and/or vendor attempting to back out of their Property Wikia arrangement:

This is number #17 of 17 clauses in the Property Wikia "Terms of Affiliation" which can be read in its' entirety HERE (http://www.cashwikia.com/7834662504/Terms_and_Conditions)

Talk about being buried in the fine print.

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All joking aside, ANYONE who enters into ANY agreement with Property Wikia for ANY reason without consulting an experienced qualified lawyer is asking for trouble and setting themselves up for an epic fail.

littleroundman
10-27-2011, 07:13 AM
Here ya go,

go here and hear "Julian" explain how you'll be ripped off (http://www.pyjamaincome.biz/patrick/pw%20julian%20interview.mp3) in the mans' own words.

And, if you believe THAT, you'll believe anything

littleroundman
10-27-2011, 10:41 PM
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littleroundman
10-30-2011, 12:11 AM
As predicted, the honeymoon period for the Property Wikia scam is over, and complaints are starting to make their way into various forums:


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See the growing thread on Work-at-Home-Forum (http://www.work-at-home-forum.com/reviews-14/propertywikia-21072-2.html)

littleroundman
10-30-2011, 12:20 PM
Still they keep rolling in:


PropertyWikia

Roger and I joined PropertyWikia recently. Unfortunately we didn't research it before we joined. We trusted a friend who introduced us to it and so jumped in thinking the concept was brilliant and a much needed service.

After doing extensive reading on the PropetyWikia sight however, we started to question things. Red flags popped up.

We couldn't get satisfactory answers from the company reps (which only seems to be Julian Vincent, by the way). Julian was assigned to us as our personal mentor but come to find out he is everyone's mentor. He seems to be a "jack of all trades.” He is the only person we can get a hold of besides the mysterious C.S on Skype.

I asked C.S for Property Wikia corporate names and contact info. He gave me Julian's cell phone #!

I was on Skype with C.S because my husband and I were asked to have a conference with corporate to talk about our grievances but C.S was the only person who showed up. He told us that Julian couldn't make it because his new born baby died.

I asked C.J who he was in relation to the company. He told me that he was an affiliate just like me. I asked him how long he had been in PropertyWikia. He said since July. "I assume you haven't received any money?" I asked. He said no but his sponsor, Jim Portman, did. He emailed me a copy of his sponsor's check.

The bank name on the check was HSBC, address:, PO Box 27 103 Station Road, Edgeware, Middlesex HAS 711 Tel 06257 60 60 60. Have you ever heard of a bank using a P.O Box?

The check was for 180,050.00 pounds. (Hand written by the way).

Wouldn't you think that a company that has the financial backing and raking in millions from investors and advertisers that the checks would be computer generated? hmmm

Why doesn't the check have the Property Wikia name and address on it? And the signature on the check? Well... I've seen some pretty crazy signatures, but this one tops it... a scribble around and around in circles!

Property Wikia says it's been around since 2007. However, after doing a search on the net, I can't find anything older than a few weeks.

Where are the happy testimonies from Real Estate agents and property owners who have sold their homes?

How does PW advertise the homes for sale? I don't see any of them on the internet nor many of them on the Property Wikia site.

After we asked for a refund, they immediately shut down our account. The notice on our website said that we are being investigated because of spamming! lol

There’s more, but suffice it to say, I'm convinced PropertyWikia is a scam but I wish it wasn't. If you have any evidence to the contrary feel free to convince me it is legit.


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littleroundman
10-30-2011, 12:27 PM
Also this scam goes by the name of Cash Wikia as well. They have a number of very convincing
videos on the web and the scam is running on a global scale, the results what you will achieve from buying
into this scam are quite simply being out of pocket not earning the “fortune” they claim you will.
Some people have been so convinced by this scam that they have actually left their full time
employment to pursue property wikia full time, the result, no better off, out of pocket, out of a job & unable
to pay the rent, all because they bought into something that would get them rich quick, as well as the
convincing garbage they were fed by a talented scam artist. STAY CLEAR FROM PROPERTY WIKIA, AND CASH WIKIA,
This is a scam nothing more !

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terrycythbert
10-31-2011, 03:58 AM
Now we're reaching the pointy end of the Property Wikia scam.

The time when the "affiliates" have been out there selling Property Wikias' fake product, and all the promised bonuses start coming due.

More and more people are beginning to ask questions.

People are just now starting to realize they've been had as Property Wikia starts giving them the runaround and their payments evaporate.

It appears your efforts to accuse Julian Vincent of mishandling Vendors/Sellers is absolute BS as JV is an affiliate manager looking after only 100 affiliates. There are over 15 other affiliate managers also. These affiliate mangers are not allowed to deal with Vendors/Sellers as it isn't there role.

Under the Security Check Vendors/Sellers fill all the boxes in correctly as the system drops the odd box to see if the person is real. They have to re check the entire listing and complete it 100%. If incomplete it will say please correct the information required and will repeat this until it is done.

This prevent fraudulent activity from oportunist seeking compensation on properties they legally don't own.

littleroundman
10-31-2011, 04:06 AM
Once again Property Wikias' public mouthpiece appears and tells us NOTHING.

We'll have to start referring to Property Wikia and Terry Cuthbert as candy floss scammers.

All colour and no substance

bzakrzewska
10-31-2011, 10:19 AM
I am sure that Property Wikia is a scam. I am the owner of the property for sale in Texas. 2 month ago I listed myself my property on property Wikia and din't need to pay for listing. I was told that after 12 weeks I will start to be paid $160 a week if the property is not sold. Today is october 31, 2011 and the clock on my property page shows that there are still 60 days to my compensation - it should be about 28 days. Also the property is located 7 blocks from the beach, and on the map it is shown much further. When I contacted the Property Wikia with this problem, they never replied. The database of the properties is constructed in the stupid way, that you cannot search properties in one state, you have to know exactly the name of the city in order to find my property.

littleroundman
10-31-2011, 11:01 AM
Your experience highlights something which has been pointed out both here and elsewhere, bzakrzewska

People tend to look at the property side of the Property Wikia business when they're checking out the "opportunity"

My contention has always been that the scam ISN'T in the real estate side of things, in fact the website and all the real estate have very little to do with it.

IM(very)HO, the scam lies in the fees Property Wikia collects from its' "affiliates"

The information provided on the Property Wikia website doesn't have to be correct, the maps don't need to be accurate and, it's probably better people CAN'T find what they're looking for.

Property Wikia is NEVER going to sell anything, and doesn't want to.

It doesn't have the resources to do so.

HOWEVER, what it DOES want is for 10 or 20,000 "affiliates" to sign up from as many different locations as possible and send their £109 to buy a territory.

By the time peoples' 3 months time frames expire, and they've loaded all the information onto a website (which BTW, functions automatically and doesn't need anyone to be there to receive the information) and they've finished jumping through hoops to qualify for their "fees" or weekly payments, the mysterious people behind Property Wikia will be long gone with their loot, leaving behind the hapless "affiliates" to carry the can.

Good luck to anyone trying to track down Property Wikia in the UK if and when things go belly up.

I wouldn't mind betting the Property Wikia people have already figured out most people will just write off their £109 and property owners won't have lost anything, so they won't complain.


Affiliates, on the other hand, would be well advised to get in early and have one of these tattooed on their back:

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littleroundman
11-01-2011, 02:29 AM
Another nail in the coffin of Property Wikia ???

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11-01-2011, 06:37 AM
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In there being promoted alongside the JSS Tripler HYIP ponzi, the now defunct Club Asteria HYIP ponzi game, the fake gold backed savings account, KBGold Kinnebars and a whole pile of other shady get-rich-quick scams.

Classy, Property Wikia, classy

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Soapboxmom
11-05-2011, 08:00 AM
I just think it is adorable that our little friend that was up in arms, Terry Cuthbert, has turned tail and run. What with his illustrious business background and all. I guess one can only :pimp:a losing deal for so long before it gets a little embarrassing.

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11-05-2011, 09:56 AM
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11-05-2011, 10:15 AM
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Re: PropertyWikia







After Octasa’s post on Thursday October 20th (#127) — the ‘showstopper’, as I called it — we are now fully aware of the scandalous deception perpetrated by PropertyWikia in an attempt to silence dissent among the so-called ‘scamsayers









For those of you who are contemplating getting involved with PropertyWikia and those of you who are involved but, despite all the red flags, are still hanging on to the belief that it’s a genuine business opportunity, let me put Octasa’s post in its full, deplorable context...

But first let me introduce the company’s two protagonists. We have PropertyWikia’s Affiliate Manager and front-man, the alleged Julian Vincent. And 3iCatalyst’s big shot who pulls Vincent’s strings, the alleged Brian Thomas. By the way, 3iCatalyst is the business entity — the ‘partnership’ — everyone really transacts with; PropertyWikia is just a trading/brand name.

Now I say these characters are ‘alleged’. That’s because those won't be their real names. My forensic due diligence has turned up not so much as a molecule of evidence in support of the individuals they claim to be.

You’ll notice that the 3iCatalyst and PropertyWikia websites are devoid of any biographies or background information about the company directors and management team. I can report also that Vincent has avoided responding to affiliates’ requests for information and pictures of the management... links to any pf their Facebook pages. I know as well that no affiliate has ever met any of these slippery virtual characters face-to-face. In fact, despite strenuous attempts by some affiliates to meet them, they’ve deliberately avoided contact.

So ask yourself: is that the kind of behaviour one would expect of a legitimate MLM company wanting to build a solid, long-term relationship with its members? Or is that more the kind of behaviour one would expect of fraudsters with something to hide — not least of all their own true identities?

Anyway, this whole episode started on Tuesday September 6th with a thread on here titled ‘PropertyWikia (RMV Group) - Scam’ which is now deleted. There are links to the thread in Google’s cache further down but, suffice to say, it contains some very strident opinions about PropertyWikia’s legitimacy — much like the ones on this thread.

On Saturday September 10th, former affiliate Simon Stepsys put up a post on his personal blog in which he wrote of his doubts about PropertyWikia’s legitimacy. He also created a YouTube video of himself speaking out about the opportunity.

Evidently the Scam.com thread and Simon’s site and video were featuring too high in Google results for comfort — due diligence 101: Google “CompanyName” + “scam”, right? So PropertyWikia decided to put a stop to it. Well here’s what they did to achieve that...

Many of us affiliates are used to Vincent’s participation in group Skype chat room sessions. A Skype message he sent privately to an affiliate on Saturday September 17th was re-posted in the group chat room for the benefit of all:
“Just an update for you - Monday [19th Sept] the company is being represented in court by solicitors in the City of London. The reason for this court case is to commence proceedings to shut down scam.com and Simon Stepsys and Shaun Smith. The company already succeeded in getting hosting records secured from the host server of scam.com – i.e. RACKO under subpoena and knows each person’s details who has contributed to defamation on scam.com

The company will now be processing a writ on Monday in London to progress to the High court to start proceedings against Stepsys, Smith and scam.com to include individual users.

The actions of the company are seen to be in line with a company facing pressure to react, but with a reserved manner to solve the problem at source. In the meanwhile the company is striving to engage in a more responsible and proactive activities to create a better business for affiliates.

A lot of the confusion regarding the company stems from the requirement for privacy from investors and clients of the financial partnership 3icatalyst. 3icatalyst is a financial partnership with Brian Thomas being the head partner of the fund.

Share with your group

- PropertyWikia, 17th September 2011 16:46”
If someone believes they have a claim against a party for defamation, then it’s perfectly entitled to pursue that claim through the civil courts with the attendant costs and risk of failure. So we were led to believe by this post that PropertyWikia were exercising their right to redress through litigation.

It came as no surprise, then, that on Wednesday September 21st the thread disappeared... and an affiliate re-posted this Skype message:
“From Julian:
[21:52:02] PropertyWikia: scam.com posts is off
[21:52:08] PropertyWikia: it is usually impossible to do this
[21:52:11] PropertyWikia: i think we are the first
[21:52:20] PropertyWikia: now smith and stepsys”
So Vincent was saying that with the original thread gone, Stepsys and Smith could then be dealt with. (Shaun Smith is a former affiliate and an associate of Stepsys.)

In due course, Simon’s whole blog and YouTube video did indeed disappear. It was assumed, therefore, that PropertyWikia’s legal action had once again triumphed, in line with Vincent’s announcement. However, evidence emerged to show that that assumption was misplaced...

On Wednesday September 21st,the very day the thread disappeared, a new thread started simply called ‘PropertyWikia’ — this thread — and the dialogue continued as if nothing had happened.

“Why on earth didn’t the enforced court judgment stick?”

You may well ask.

Then on Thursday October 20th came the ‘showstopper’ post by Octasa (#127): hard evidence that far from achieving their objective through legal action, PropertyWikia had achieved it through a despicable deception.

I won’t re-post all of Octasa’s post, just quote the meat of the email sent by Brian Thomas to JaguarPC, the company hosting Simon’s website:
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COMPLAINT

On Friday 16th September 2011 at 15.45 London time two of my staff were attacked as a direct result of content posted to the site SIMONSTEPSYSCOACHING.COM that is physically hosted and served from your network.

One of my staff on receptionist duty (female 22 yrs) suffered a broken nose, jaw and other bruising. The second member had to be taken to hospital with a fractured cranium.

My staff were attacked and abused as a direct result of your hosting service hosting content that threatens or encourages bodily harm or destruction of property and incites violence.

Simon Stepsys has published content about this company and or its clients that have directly and provably incited violence. PropertyWikia is such a client.

His site 'was' linking to another website called scam.com telling people to visit it where he posted insults and defamation and continued to incite violence and promote aggression towards this company and its staff especially.

Scam.com removed the content yesterday

http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=142116&page=5 (http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=142116&page=5)
http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=142116&page=4 (http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=142116&page=4)
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http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=142116&page=1 (http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=142116&page=1)

I can name the page on his site that concerns this company and the safety of its employees, it is:

http://simonstepsyscoaching.com/tag/propertywikia-com/ (http://simonstepsyscoaching.com/tag/propertywikia-com/)

I have emailed the owner of the domain name repeatedly since Friday simon@amazing2ndincome.com (simon@amazing2ndincome.com) however got an email back from them telling me to **ck off and die and that I could not do anything about their site.

I called their telephone number and all I get is hang-ups - 07971885560

My receptionist was told that someone would shoot her this week if, and she won't come back to work.

I need help to stop the danger my staff undergo each day this website is available, and therefore turn to you to help me. Please help.

Before my staff were attacked the attackers said that they saw our company Simon Stepsys's website and whatever he says is true, they said he was their mentor in life and that we are all scammers. The attackers proceeded to punch and kick both girls at reception and a boy who came to their assistance.

This incident was reported to police in Vauxhall.

I have photo evidence of my staff member's injuries if you require them?

My staff were attacked and abused as a direct result of your hosting service hosting content that incites violence.

Simon Stepsys has posted information about this company and or its clients that have directly and provably incited violence.

My receptionist was told that someone would shoot her this week if, and she won't come back to work.

I need help to stop the danger my staff undergo each day this thread is available, and therefore turn to you to help me. Please help.

Before my staff were attacked the attackers said that they saw our company on scam.com and that we are all scammers. The attackers proceeded to punch and kick both girls at reception and a boy who came to their assistance.

I do hope that the website SIMONSTEPSYSCOACHING.COM can be brought to act on this matter and delete the pages or you remove the content.

I can only plead with you on my staff's behalf. They are scared, not willing to work and some don't come to work now.

Best regards

Brian Thomas

————————————————————————————————--
Notice something odd about the message? Five repeated paragraphs; I’ve highlighted them in bold. More about that below.

I have spoken directly to Simon Stepsys. He explained that when querying with JaguarPC why they’d pulled his blog down, he was shown Thomas’s messages. However, after Simon had pointed out the facts of the matter, they re-instated it. He also confirmed to me that neither he nor his associate Shaun Smith were served with any documents whatsoever as a result of PropertyWikia's alleged legal action.

Okay, let me connect the dots...

It’s clear to me that to achieve their nefarious ends, PropertyWikia hatched a four-stage plan:
1.Spin the story to affiliates that the alleged defamatory
material would be removed by legal action.

2.Get the Scam.com thread removed.

3.Spin the incitement-to-violence story to JaguarPC

4.Get the video removed from YouTube.
Stage 1 was a doddle... preaching to the choir. And evidently, after a fourth appeal to JaguarPC, stage 3 was a success, too. But only on the basis of a tissue of grotesque lies... that Simon was inciting violence against PropertyWikia; that as a consequence his ‘followers’ assaulted PropertyWikia staff; that one of them was even threatened with being shot, for God’s sake!

I’ve seen Simon’s video; I’ve read Simon’s blog post (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:PFdlrKxo9LoJ:simonstepsyscoaching.c om/%3Fs%3Dbanners+%22SIMONSTEPSYSCOACHING.COM%22+prop ertywikia&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a) in Google’s cache; I’ve read all the Scam.com posts in Google’s cache (page 1 (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_Bc0L-apubwJ:srv349.rackco.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D142116+%22octasa%22+%22Proper tyWikia+%28RMV+Group%29+-+Scam%22&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a)page 2 (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:aAGUVrWDy50J:scam.com/showthread.php%3Fp%3D1082784+%22Stepsys+%26+Shaun+ Smith%22+%22Re:+PropertyWikia+%28RMV+Group%29+-+Scam%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a)page 3 (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zwoWi-33q8cJ:208.86.2.178/showthread.php%3Fp%3D1082891+%22octasa%22+%22Prope rtyWikia+%28RMV+Group%29+-+Scam%22&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a)page 4 (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_1e6AVwI_nwJ:www.scam.com/showthread.php%3Fp%3D1083927+%22Page+4+of+5,+1,+2+ ,+3,+4,+5%22+%22PropertyWikia+%28RMV+Group%29+-+Scam%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a)page 5 (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:efvrnBEm2wMJ:www.scam.com/showthread.php%3Fp%3D1085750+%22octasa%22+%22Prope rtyWikia+%28RMV+Group%29+-+Scam%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a)); and I’ve made enquiries with London Metropolitan Police at their Vauxhall Police station. I can tell you categorically right now that...


...there was NO incitement to violence and NO actual violence!




So what did Thomas do to pull off stage 2 with Scam.com?









Well, take a look at the message to JaguarPC and ask yourself why a group of 5 paragraphs — the ones in bold — would be repeated like that. Here’s my analysis...

We all do it: copy an email message intended for recipient A... edit the text... then send it to recipient B. Or start a fresh email for recipient B but copy and paste text from an email already sent to A.

It strikes me that Thomas must have first sent an incitement-to-violence message to Scam.com and copied paragraphs from it when preparing the email for JaguarPC. But the fcukwit bungled it. He didn’t tidy up after his editing before hitting ‘Send’... and he left us a dead giveaway, bless him. Did you spot it? Here it is...

There’s a phrase that reads: “each day this website is available” but further down, in amongst the repeated sentences that should’ve been trashed, the same phrase reads: ”each day this thread is available”. That is so obviously the sentence used previously for Scam.com’s message.

(Perhaps the moderator on here would like to confirm that Scam.com were indeed scammed by this incitement-to-violence fairy tale.)

What about stage 4?

Well, I’ve no evidence at present of what PropertyWikia did to get Simon’s video deleted by YouTube, but my very strong suspicion is, it would have been a hoax similar to the one pulled on JaguarPC and Scam.com.

So then... with this evidence of PropertyWikia’s disgraceful duplicity now uncovered — they talked litigation but walked falsification — I think we can say that they have well and truly shot themselves in the foot — or should that be shot themselves in the footings?

Thursday 20th October 2011: Serious woundings for both Gadaffi and ProperyWikia; a memorable day all round. “Allahu Akbar!” and “Victory to the scamsayers!”

Ask yourself once again, folks...

Is what’s been exposed here the kind of behaviour one would expect of a legitimate MLM company wanting to build a solid, long-term relationship with its members? Or is it more the kind of behaviour one would expect of conspiring, sociopathic conmen — ones who wouldn’t go near a court of law any more than a vampire would go near the sign of the cross?











Last edited by Julie Diligent : 10-29-2011 at 03:55 AM.











View Julies' original Post - PropertyWikia (http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=1099702&postcount=140)

littleroundman
11-05-2011, 10:23 AM
Reproduced here with the kind permission of RealScam (http://www.realscam.com) member, Julie Diligent


Okay folks, thanks for staying tuned; here, then, are those nails... a big bag of ‘em. After I’ve secured the lids on those coffins, there should be plenty left over to crucify Thomas and his fellow thieves.

Right... would someone please pass me that claw hammer? Let’s get this job done...

In my post on 18th October (#119), I explained all about the legal status of Thomas & Co’s business. I pointed out that... quoting their own words...

“3iCatalyst is a partnership and PropertyWikia is a trading name/brand name”

Meaning the legal status of ‘3iCatalyst trading as PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group)’ is what’s officially termed a ‘general partnership’. As such, whilst not required by law to be registered on any business database, it is legally required to register with Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs.

In post #120, I then banged on about 3iCatalyst's VAT status, which Thomas & Co have steadfastly refused to disclose. Feel free to review the whole post but, suffice to say, I concluded with this:
"So... these perfectly reasonable due diligence questions still remain for the company to answer unequivocally:

"Is 3iCatalyst t/a PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group) registered for VAT or is it not?"

"If it is registered, what's your VAT number and why have you not charged VAT on area license fees to date?"

"If it's not registered, given your claimed turnover, which far exceeds the VAT-registration threshold, why not?"

And now, in addition...

"Regarding your September 12th statement, why have you improperly applied VAT tax point law in your treatment of VAT on area fees?"

Now, to prove my point, I had copied and pasted some text from PropertyWikia’s ‘About Us’ page. I had also posted a link to that page and a link to the 3iCatalyst website.

As the more eagle-eyed amongst you may have noticed...

Within hours of my posts going up, they substantially doctored their cock-and-bull story on the ‘About Us’ page and the all-smoke-and-mirrors 3iCatalyst website.

Too bad for our sneaky snake-oil salesmen, then, that I’m now going to show you exactly what they changed — word-for-word, pixel-for-pixel.

Let’s start with the PropertyWikia ‘About Us’ page; the original text they deleted is RED; the new text replacing it, if any at all, is BLUE:
“PropertyWikia is the public trading arm of the RMV Group which is a private investment platform and both are 'trading names' of and fully owned by 3iCatalyst.com who are based in London. 3iCatalyst is a partnership and PropertyWikia is a trading name/brand name.

RMV Group is a group of over five thousand strong investors that provide PropertyWikia with its unlimited investor buying power.

3iCatalyst.com is a NO VC (No Venture Capital) incubator that funds, launches and helps run successful companies worldwide. The business handles investments of over £12.5 Billion.

Founded by some of the best business minds in today’s business world, 3iCatalyst strives to develop businesses that have significant potential for high growth and rapid return for investors. PropertyWikia is one such business.

Some of the clients 3iCatalyst participate with, fund or advise include Play.com, BlackBerry, Virgin, flickr, Yahoo, Rio Tinto, easyJet and BP - to name but a few.

Both PropertyWikia and the RMV Group are office based at Canary Wharf in London's Docklands.

[No more doctoring until...]

Our AdRevenue 2011



£24,254,030.00 GBP





This figure indicates the pre-paid advertising
order book’s balance for / tentative orders
for pre-paid advertising ordered
in 2011 (fluctuate daily).




AdRevenue - A whole world of advertising, partnership and sponsorship opportunities on PropertyWikia delivers us an ever growing profit. Our AdSpace is managed by our internal team of highly experienced 'Brand & Ad Managers'; we do not share our advertising profits with an agency or third party. We set the rate card. From day one, we had over thirty-five (35) major sponsors and has rapidly grown to more than a hundred and fifteen. We have many revenue streams ranging from bargain Ads to advertising agency driven campaigns. Whilst 'Bargain Ads' are cheap the volumes are / can be massive and profit substantial, therefore cannot be ignored. Sponsorship nets / can net us huge returns. We deliver and share Ads with our network of International property portals. Our current order book for the next twelve months boasts (fluctuates daily): £24,254,030.00 GBP.

[No change to CommShare; everything’s ‘pledged’, i.e. zero actual revenue]


InvestorFund 2011





£74,767,853.00 GBP





This figure indicates our operational
fundiing /investor's buying power
for 2011 only (fluctuates daily).




InvestorFund - We are obviously funded by investors /Obviously our buyers and investors have funds. PropertyWikia has been developed by some of the best, most innovative and experienced industry experts in the Western hemisphere, plus we draw on the expertise of our investors to deliver you this business opportunity. PropertyWikia is NEW and UNIQUE - We're game changers, our business challenges the ‘Status Quo’ opening up the property market's wealth. We have a huge operational budget provided by our investors which grows every week to fund activity, improvements and new ideas. /Our buyer's and investor's budgets grow every week to fund buying power. Our fundiing for 2011 so far, as of today's balance, stands at: £74,767,853.00 GBP

[No change to SaveShare; everything’s ‘pledged’, i.e. zero actual revenue]


Our PartnerProfits 2011





£15,722,489.58 GBP





This figure indicates 2011’s projected
revenue from current / tentative
partnerships (fluctuates daily).




PartnerProfits - Our website is / will be interwoven with thousands upon thousands of revenue earning partner links. These are not adverts, but they do / will increase our overall profit by over £1,250,000.00 GBP each month! Our projected PartnerProfits for the year ending / order book for 2011 taking into account our current order book only is as of today's date: £15,722,489.58 GBP

The original version of the entire ‘How We Make Money’ text was actually copied into an earlier post (#19) by our moderator. Nice one, Mumbles!

Now for the 3iCatalyst-dot-com charade...

The Wayback Machine has been archiving it since 20th January, 2008; this is how it looked before my post on 18th October:

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20080515000000*/http://www.3iCatalyst.com (http://wayback.archive.org/web/20080515000000*/http:/www.3iCatalyst.com)



This is how it’s been looking since:

http://www.3iCatalyst.com (http://www.3icatalyst.com/)

Spot the difference? Yep! They’ve removed the whole panel of corporate logos, replacing it with their hitherto missing office address.

Looks like they’ve de-camped from their virtual office in Warwick Row, London SW1E 5ER, and are now snuggled up in PW’s 25 Canada Square office with — cough-cough — Vincent and all his fellow ‘Affiliate Managers’ and ‘Brand Managers’ and ‘Ad Managers’ and other staff.

Well, you can squeeze a lot of virtual staff in one virtual office, right? Room for virtual affiliate Jim Portman, too, apparently. Not to mention the “over 120 new support staff starting in December” we were informed about a few days ago.

So... what’s going on here with all this web page modification malarkey? Here’s my analysis...

Thomas was evidently in a desperate hurry to...

Hide their claim that 3iCatalyst is a partnership.


Disappear their alleged 5,000+ investors with their ‘unlimited buying power’.


Conceal their alleged handling of ‘investments of over £12.5 billion’.
That’s about the same as the [I]real 3i Group handles with its 550 staff!
(3i - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3i)).


Summarily fire the 30 alleged clients they ‘participate with, fund or advise’ from both websites.
“Bye-bye BP. Adios Rio Tinto. Bon voyage Virgin. It sure was fun, Play.com.”


Drop all their alleged major sponsors — ‘more than a hundred and fifteen’.


Disconnect their alleged ‘network of International property portals’ — as many as 100 we’ve previously been led to believe.


Decouple the alleged ‘thousands upon thousands of revenue earning partner links’ woven into the site.

Last but by no means least — quite the opposite — Thomas was desperate to...

Give their claimed revenues a severe ‘haircut’ — in fact, a scalping! Figures cut to ZERO!


You’ll notice that now, every alleged revenue stream is labelled as either ‘pledged’ or ‘tentative’ or ‘orders’ or just nebulous third-party ‘buying power’. Which means — cutting through the bullshit wording — it’s all utterly and completely WORTHLESS!

So, panel... fingers on buzzers... who or what do you think they are hiding all this stuff from?

Sorry, no points for the right answer; it’s all too bleedin’ obvious. You know, the really laugh-out-loud thing is...
These masquerading muppets have hidden stuff that doesn’t actually exist!

Of course, were all their claims genuine and their tax status above-board — were the opportunity the real deal — they wouldn’t have needed to doctor so much as a punctuation mark or a pixel on those sites, would they?

Which leads us then to ask the burning, ‘sixty-four-thousand-dollar question’:
If the claimed multi-million-pound revenues don’t exist — which Thomas has now effectively admitted — how are they going to fund the compensation payouts, the commission payouts and, above all, the £250K No-Fail Income Guarantee payouts?

The simple answer is: they can’t. But then, since the day over 4 years ago when they started planning their racket, have they ever intended to pay them?

So whaddaya reckon, fellow scamsayers? Do we finally have ‘em nailed for being the scumbag scammers we always believed them to be — or do we not?

In the next instalment: analysis of the Security Check Failure — that's the scam within the scam — and Thomas & Co’s telegraphed exit strategy.

Meantime, my best advice to PW affiliates is: quit recruiting and put in a refund request... and get your downline affiliates to do the same.

My advice to everyone else: AVOID LIKE A VIRULENT DOSE OF THE CLAP!

Laters

Jools

P.S. I bet poor Terry Cuthbert still thinks he’ll be making his fortune. Bless.



scams - View Single Post - PropertyWikia (http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=1101324&postcount=164)

littleroundman
11-05-2011, 10:28 AM
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Power2share (http://195.225.54.215/program/Power2share/)

littleroundman
11-05-2011, 10:35 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/primfix1.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/primfix2.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/primfix3.jpg

http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=1085467&postcount=1

littleroundman
11-05-2011, 10:51 AM
Mr Cuthberts' reputation precedes him, even on the MMG HYIP ponzi forum he's persona non grata:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/mmg2.jpg

followed by:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/EVENONmmg2.jpg

littleroundman
11-05-2011, 11:19 PM
IM(very)ho anyone still concerned for the welfare of Property Wikias' mouthpiece, Terry Cuthbert would be well advised to save their tears for a more worthwhile cause

Mr Cuthbert seems intent on living up to his growing reputation as an up and coming "King of HYIPs"

Tezzas' involvement with Property Wikia has one positive, however.

Readers can easily determine at what level Property Wikia sits WRT its' status as an "investment opportunity"

If people wish to follow the likes of Terry Cuthberts and Faith Sloans of this world by playing HYIP ponzi and autosurf games or get-rich-quick schemes, fine.

It's their choice to do with their time and money as they wish.

But let's not, for one minute, pretend Property Wikia is in any way, shape or form a legitimate business.

It's not hard to see how New Zealand has for some time been gathering a reputation as the home of a great many 'net based frauds.

littleroundman
11-06-2011, 06:36 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/ANOTHER.jpg

Property Wikia - False Advertising for $0.00 on 09/04/2011 - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits. (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/30236/Property-Wikia-False-Advertising-for-0.00-on-09-04-2011)

littleroundman
11-06-2011, 06:43 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/ANDYETANOTHER.jpg

Property Wikia - False Advertising for $170.00 on 09/07/2011 - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits. (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/21165/Property-Wikia-False-Advertising-for-170.00-on-09-07-2011)

littleroundman
11-08-2011, 11:25 AM
WOOHOO !!

The good Mr Terry Cuthberts' money making abilities just keep getting better 'n better:




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littleroundman
11-09-2011, 09:56 AM
Something's gone terribly wrong in PropertyWikia land:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/PropertyAlexa.jpg


"Compared with the overall internet population, the site's audience tends to be over the age of 45; it also appeals more to less affluent, childless men browsing from home who are not college graduates"

littleroundman
11-09-2011, 11:10 PM
Here's another public face of the scam that is 'Property Wikia" - Mark Prosser:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/prosserwikia.jpg

and here's his website:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/markprosser.jpg

About Mark | Internet Marketing Training And Support (http://www.markprosser2020.com/about)

and, just in case there's any dispute as to whether he's the "real" Mark Prosser or the wrong "MSG Innovation"

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/domainWHOIS.jpg

Here he is using both 'Mark Prosser" and "MSG Innovation" on APSENSE (http://www.apsense.com/user/msginnovation)

While here's a whole heap of Mr Prosser promoting MY SHOPPING GENIE (http://www.myshoppinggenie2020.com/)

and here is his WEALTH FACTORY (http://thewealthfactory2020.com/) website

It sure does seem Property Wikia is targeting and attracting a particular type of person, doesn't it ???

littleroundman
11-11-2011, 10:45 AM
Property Wikia - False Advertising for $179.00 on 11/09/2011
I joined Property Wikia in July of this year hoping to be able to supplement my family income.
Having done due diligence in attracting clients, when the #*$@? hit the fan at the 12 week mark for
one of these clients, her property was listed as "Pending Security Check". This means that she did
not input all her personal information.

I connected with the client who informed me the site was
blocking her from putting in all the info and immediately wrote Julian Vincent. The client indicated
she had sent dozens of emails to him with no response. For the last two weeks I have cc'd Julian on
emails to the client, apologizing profusely for the embarrassing situation.

No response from Julian either to the client, nor to my emails requesting he connect with her to resolve the issue.

Today I wrote him a scathing email, indicating it was clear this so-called business was a sham - scamming
people of their hard-earned money for membership fees and issuing guarantee statements for
payments to clients and affiliates that are false. I am prepared to take this to the full extent of the
law: anyone else with me to shut down this thief? Let's post everywhere we can, connect with Better
Business Bureaus and law enforcement that will shut this guy down once and for all.

On principle, I want my money back and all who have joined should do so as well.
Submitted by home_finder on 11/09/2011

http://www.scambook.com/group/pdf/447/property-wikia.pdf

littleroundman
11-11-2011, 10:48 AM
Property Wikia - False Advertising for $500.00 on 08/17/2011

Here is my email that I just sent to Julian today Nov. 9/2011... which automatically created a
response saying "I will be in touch soon... but that doesn't happen" :

JV,
I have tried and tried to get some satisfaction for my son's listing #2307 but to no avail. We could not
verify the listing because your system kept sending dead links.

I have come to believe that what I had hoped was a valid real estate portal is either a total scam or
at the very least a business that has no customer service and thus is doomed to fail. It is
unfortunate.

I would like my $493.33 money back as I purchased as follows. Please have my paypal account
reimbursed so I can be done with this. I realize the 30 days has passed... however, Property Wikia
has not responded to my concerns except with automatic emails that do not solve anything only

perpetuate the frustration... so I feel quite justified in requesting my money now.

o Order Ref Country County/Region/Province Town/City Date Ordered Date Paid Cost Method
of Payment #

1. 4e4d585e6e8d5 Canada British Columbia Vancouver, North Vancouver, North 18.08.2011
18.08.2011 CAD158.92 Paypal (Received) Report error

2. 4e4d585e6e8d5 Canada Alberta Calgary, South West Calgary, South West 18.08.2011
18.08.2011 CAD158.92 Paypal (Received) Report error

3. 4e4c518e5fd25 Canada Alberta Red Deer, South 17.08.2011 17.08.2011 CAD175.49
Paypal (Received) Report error

Submitted by djcurry on 11/09/2011

http://www.scambook.com/group/pdf/447/property-wikia.pdf

littleroundman
11-11-2011, 10:50 AM
Property Wikia - False Advertising for $170.00 on 09/29/2011

Its nothing but a Scam .I would never give anybody money for a job.I told JV it was nothing but a
scam.

Its from UK Come On!!! Sleep on it!! He is still sending me e-mails.

Submitted by Anonymous on 09/30/2011

http://www.scambook.com/group/pdf/447/property-wikia.pdf

littleroundman
11-11-2011, 10:52 AM
From Report: Property Wikia - False Advertising for $170.00 on 09/07/2011

Hi there, I like you have had dealings with property wikia working on behalf of a friend who was
conned into paying the fee they asked. I had an interesting conversation with property wikia this
morning after posting a youtube video exposing the scam they are now threatening sueing me for
defamation, un-phased by this I am continuing my investigation & now contacting people who have
had dealings with property wikia to hear their story first hand I would appreciate it if you would be
able to contact me via email to cozcoz2010@hotmail.co.uk.

Any information you can provide to help expose property wikia further would be greatly appreciated.

Submitted by Andy on 09/27/2011

http://www.scambook.com/group/pdf/447/property-wikia.pdf

littleroundman
11-11-2011, 11:12 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Another1.jpg

Property Wikia - Property Tribes (http://propertytribes.ning.com/forum/topics/property-wikia?xg_source=activity&id=2886658%3ATopic%3A288142&page=11#comments)

Dufus
11-11-2011, 09:37 PM
Personally, I think they are NOT in the UK but in Ghana, and NO ONE scams like the Africans,no one.:shocked:

terrycythbert
11-12-2011, 05:33 PM
http://www.scambook.com/group/pdf/447/property-wikia.pdf

Dear Members

This is a general update to all sellers/realtors/agents to assist with the security checks. Management is working

with Seller Support to help those who are having problems getting through the security check.

1. Please keep your profile up to date.

During your membership you will be required to confirm your registered name and address as part of routine

'Security Checks' on property listing. If you cannot confirm your registered details, your account will lose its rights

to compensation and your property could be delisted or restarted. For terms and conditions relating to your listing,

please see the bottom of your property listing form.



2. Always keep a record of your registered details.

eg: * What date was my property first listed?: DATE OF REGISTRATION

Update your profile if you need to and then add/list your property for sale by clicking the 'Add My Property' tab in

the green menu at the top of the page. To update a partial or incomplete listing go to the 'My Property' page.

Always ensure your email address is up-to-date or buyers will not be able to contact you through our web site to

make you an offer.

NOTE: Add domains; propertywikia.com & .net to your safe sender's list or check your 'junk mail' folder for email

alerts from buyers contacting you through our safe and secure web site form on your property's property details

page, emails are frequently filtered to junk.



3. Log into your PropertyWikia site regularly



In the event that emails do not reach you, your messages will be in your Messages area. PropertyWikia requires that

all members visit their site regularly. If a member does not log in for a period of 10 days, their account could go into

security check again.

This is to ensure that the member is monitoring any requests or offers from buyers or any requests from PropertyWikia

regarding the status of your listing.

4. Do not unsubscribe from receiving emails

Realtors and owners/sellers receive important emails from PW that require a response. For example, from a potential

buyer or when your action is needed with regards to your listing. When no response is received because the realtor

and owners/sellers have unsubscribed, properties will be removed from compensation.


5. Support assistance with your security check

If you have any problems with the security check form, for assistance, please log in and click on the email link, which

will send an email to seller support for your area.

Please provide all your details, the property number and your PW ID in the email.

Seems that affiliates that are promoting to Vendor/Sellers are not educatiing their Vendor/Sellers on the basics

Realtor listing do not go through SECURITY CHECKS.

Not bad 5 or six compliants for $178 to $460 for refunds thats normal for online programs for sffilites that are clueless.

Julian Vincent is an affiliate manager not support for Vendor/ Sellers

Keep smiling and thanks for the FREE marketing LITTLEROUNDMAN who hides in his darken room sitting in the nude surfing sites. GET A LIFE. WHO EVER HE\/SHE IS

terrycythbert
11-12-2011, 05:40 PM
The USA property market is so bad $40,000 homes cant sell and no one is renting,. USA should give the houses away to pay their DEBT to CHINA

SUPER POWER yeah right USA created the GLOBAL crash with trying to station troops to protect oil they dont own.
GO HOME AND SAVE YOUR COUNTRY

littleroundman
11-12-2011, 08:39 PM
Keep smiling and thanks for the FREE marketing LITTLEROUNDMAN who hides in his darken room sitting in the nude surfing sites. GET A LIFE. WHO EVER HE\/SHE IS

Thanks for the compliment, Terry.

In all honesty, however, I can't take any of the credit for what's happening to Property Wikia.

All I do is collate the growing number of complaints about Property Wikia.

I make sure they're accurate by using unedited screen shots of the original complaint, so there can be no doubt as to their authenticity.

Other than that, all I have to do is sit back and watch Property Wikia doing it to itself.

Easiest job I've ever had, really.

You guys do it for me.

littleroundman
11-14-2011, 10:44 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/complaint.jpg

Property Wikia - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits. (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/33678/Property-Wikia-False-Advertising-for-179.00-on-11-09-2011)

AYP1909
11-14-2011, 12:59 PM
Has anyone tried searching the PW database for home listings? It is not like any other proeprty website where you can search an entire region if you choose. The PW website requires that you choose a continent, country, county, townsite, and property specifics, thereby making it so that you narrow your search so much that only 1 or 2 properties are likely to be displayed. This is not really the type of website on which I would choose to list my properties.

littleroundman
11-14-2011, 10:32 PM
Has anyone tried searching the PW database for home listings? It is not like any other proeprty website where you can search an entire region if you choose. The PW website requires that you choose a continent, country, county, townsite, and property specifics, thereby making it so that you narrow your search so much that only 1 or 2 properties are likely to be displayed. This is not really the type of website on which I would choose to list my properties.

Welcome to the forum, AYP.

IM(very)HO, the key to the whole Property Wikia scenario is, as you've pointed out, actually selling properties is secondary to the main purpose for the scams' existence.

Think of it this way, if Property Wikia and its' lackeys enroll a mere 5000 people worldwide @ £109 a "territory", they stand to drag in £545,000

That's USD $871,488 and ONLY @ 1 territory per person.

Not bad for throwing up a cheap website, paying for webhosting and renting a virtual office.

No one's getting paid and no properties have been sold so every cent is ending up in the back pockets of the unknown characters behind 3icatalyst/Property Wikia/RMV Group, whoever they may be.

Think about THAT when wondering how terrorism and organized crime is financed.

IM(very)HO, people are continuing to look for a property scam, while the £109 membership scam is happening right under their noses

littleroundman
11-16-2011, 07:01 AM
I'm tellin' ya,

the excreta's a whisker away from hitting the fan in PropertyWikia land.

For months, self styled 'net marketing expert, Howard Frenia has been expounding the benefits of joining Property Wikia.

Here's one of his latest missives from November 1:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/howardwikiaspruiking.jpg

Read the whole spiel here: Let Realtors Help Explode Your Property Wikia Business | howardfrenia.com (http://howardfrenia.com/realtors-explode-property-wikia-business)

BUT WAIT !!

What a difference 2 weeks can make in the life of a scam.

Here's Frenias' backdown, this time from November 15:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/meaculpa.jpg

Unfortunately, it's probably too late for the many victims of this fraud to recoup their money, but, they certainly should be trying.

Whip
11-16-2011, 09:59 AM
The problem with howie's theory about getting realtors is the same as narc-that ponzi / dna's false premise of collecting license plates. Why is a realtor going to give someone listings when they can do it themselves and collect?

littleroundman
11-16-2011, 10:11 AM
That's been one of the most obvious red flags attached the the Property Wikia scam all along.

Much of the promotional material originally put out by Wikia and its' victi.....err........members, revolved about property owners capitalizing on the benefits and cost savings of self listing on Property Wikia.

Somewhere along the line, members desperate to increase their "listings" started focusing on getting professional realtors involved, thus introducing another layer of people with their hand out if and when a property sold.

The shadowy people behind Property Wikia, meanwhile, couldn't care less who screwed with the system.

They just pocketed the £109 and laughed all the way to the bank.......err........anonymous payment processors and offshore accounts

littleroundman
11-16-2011, 11:50 PM
Mr Frenia is not going to sit back, be content to follow the party line and accept it's "only £109"

He's spreading the message far and wide:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Freniaagain.jpg

Property Wikia - False Advertising for $450000.00 on 11/15/2011 - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits. (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/35798/Property-Wikia-False-Advertising-for-450000.00-on-11-15-2011)

littleroundman
11-16-2011, 11:55 PM
Another victim speaks up, this time from SCAMORTRUE.com (http://www.scamortrue.com/property-wikia-scam-false-advertising.html)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scamortrue.jpg

laidback
11-17-2011, 10:02 AM
I notice that super shill Terry Cuthbert hasn't been around lately trying to "set the record straight"...!

laidback
11-17-2011, 11:13 AM
It seems that reports of Wikia fraud are expanding, but actually predate this thread by a month or so. This site has a good read on it: Search for "wikia" - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits. (http://www.scambook.com/search?search=wikia)

littleroundman
11-19-2011, 07:13 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/youtube.jpg

Property Wikia - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo8_BXTt17g)

littleroundman
11-19-2011, 07:23 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/another-1.jpg

Property Wikia - False Advertising for $500.00 on 08/17/2011 - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits. (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/33921/Property-Wikia-False-Advertising-for-500.00-on-08-17-2011)

Fred Bayer
11-20-2011, 10:08 AM
Following on from Julie Diligent's excellent work, I decided to do some research into the claimed parent company of PropertyWikia ie 3iCatalyst.com (http://www.3icatalyst.com/).

At the outset I'd like to state that these are my observations only, and that everyone should do their own due dilligence before making any decisions about dealing with PropertyWikia, or indeed any business opportunity, whether web based or not.

OK, so lets look at the website, and see whether it gives us any "Red Flags" ie warnings that something may not be quite right.

It starts with a Flash video, which is rather flash but doesn't really tell us anything. One thing I did notice is that the company logo makes a clear separation between 3i and Catalyst. Almost as if it was trying to suggest a link with 3i (http://www.3i.com/), which is "a multinational private equity and venture capital company" with "total assets under management of £12.7 billion as at 31 March 2011" (Source: Wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3i))

But for now, let's be generous and assume that this is just a coincindence. We could be extra generous and suggest that the similarity between the seemingly unknown "RMV Group" and Rightmove plc is also a coincidence. According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rightmove), "Rightmove plc (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/) (LSE: RMV) is a British-based company that runs rightmove.co.uk UK's number one property website for properties for sale and to rent, an online real estate portal. It is listed on the London Stock Exchange and is a constituent of the FTSE 250 Index". Is it just unfortunate that the RMV group (that PropertyWikia claims to be part of) has the same name as Rightmove plc's stock ticker, or are they trying to steal credibility from another company?

But, back to the website (http://www.3icatalyst.com/). After the flash has completed, the main element of the screen is a login feature for current users to login. Now this seems strange to me - this is prime real estate that a website should be using to get its message across; a user login is normally in a much less prominent position on a web site. Let's move on (but I reserve the right to come back here later).

Below the Login button are two links: "Cannot log in?" and "Lost Username or Password". These are both standard features of a login screen and add credibility. However, if you hover your mouse over the links you'll see that they are both "mailto:" links. This means that they will create an email in your default email client software, with the appropriate subject. This is really strange - any normal 'forgot username or password' facility would take you through screens prompting for your email address and/or memorable information and then allow you to reset your password or be sent an email reminder. The idea that they handle this by you sending them an email is absurd. The only reason for an email link is that it looks convincing, and is very easy for them to code.

If you try to login by making up a username and password, you'll get a message that the username and/or password is incorrect - which is what you'd expect, since you don't have a valid username or password, do you? However, did you notice that this warning came back instantaneously? More on this later!

When I first looked at this website (several weeks ago) it featured logos of many well known companies, such as play.com (I can't remember the others), but strangely these have disappeared. I wonder why, since it was a very impressive list of companies, that any organisation would be delighted to be associated with.

The footer of the page shows the company address - the "London Docklands" part doesn't look right. Most businesses in this area would not include that as part of the address, but if you don't know London habits, or are trying to impress people that may have heard of London Docklands then you would. Also, in the UK we would write the address as "25 Canada Square, Canary Wharf" and not "Canary Wharf, 25 Canada Square".

Surely I'm not suggesting the site was written by someone with a first language other than English? Hmmm.

Strangely, there is no telephone, fax or email addresses listed. I then did a search for 3icatalyst using yell.com (http://www.yell.com/ucs/UcsSearchAction.do?keywords=3icatalyst&location=&scrambleSeed=98191008&searchType=&M=&lastKeyword=3icatalyst&lastClarifyIndex=&lastClarifyOptions=&lastSearchall=&lastSearchallTax=&lastbandedclarifyResults=&bandedclarifyResults=&ssm=1), but it didn't find any matches. How weird is that?

I could not see any indication of the company legal status - I would expect a company that "handles investments of £12.5 Billion GBP" to be a PLC or at least a limited company, and therefore to have a company registration number, but I couldn't see one anywhere. For comparison, click on the '3i Group plc (http://www.3i.com/3i-group-investor-relations.html)' link at the bottom left of the 3i.com home page - If 3icatalyst is a genuine company then I would expect it to have something similar.

Let's now look at the options at the top of the 3icatalyst screen. These are 'CONTACT 3ICATALYST', 'HAVE AN IDEA?', 'NEED HELP!', 'DEVELOPERS' and 'PRE-REGISTRATION' The first 3 do nothing more that open an email addressed to the relevant email address such as contact@3icatalyst.com. Using mailto links here is dodgy - it suggests that the web site has been thrown together as quickly and cheaply as possible.

Also, I would expect that any decent website would use a contact page to list all of the contact details - have a look at the Contact page of 3i.com (http://www.3i.com/contact-us.html) for comparison.

The next option is DEVELOPERS and it's rather interesting. This appears to be a recruitment page for 'Web Design and Developers' (not Web Designers, by the way). This is odd - why would a group that "handles investments of £12.5 Billion GBP" (their claim) be "looking for talented web designers and developers"? To me, this doesn't make any sense (unless they're desperate to find someone to make their website more convincing!), but let's be open minded and see what they're looking for.

The screen has over 20 checkboxes for different web 'skills' and this looks fine if you don't know much about web design and development (which is the case for most people). However, if you work work in IT as I do, you'll notice that some of the skills are rather strange. For example, I'm sure no-one would ever describe themself as (or recruit for) a "Middleweight XML Coder" - XML is used by many software developers, but I've never heard of an "XML Coder" and to further define it as Middleweight seems ridiculous.

Further down, in the section about "projects you've worked on" it asks for "You're Role" despite correctly spelling "Your" earlier in the page. Do you not think that a company that "handles investments of £12.5 Billion GBP" would proof-read its website? I do.

OK - still with me? well done for persevering!

The final option on the website is 'PRE-REGISTRATION'. This displays a selection of wordy, and in some cases badly written, descriptions.
Can you make any sense of this?

"Get your essential start up business capital, turnaround your distressed company, buy a company out, sell your business, merge with other businesses to seamlessly add and maximise their valuable assets amongst a profusion of other expert in-house services we offer businesses large and small" Sounds like gibberish to me!

Then there's this:
"Additionally 3iCatalyst are currently delivering £8.3 Billion GBP ‘new style’ funding to worldwide residential and commercial property developers"
Do you not think that funding of that magnitude would be front page news across the world in the current depressed property markets? The only reference I could find was a suspicious looking 'press release' on free-press-release.com.

And this means that they are handling investments of £20.8 Billion GBP - a staggering amount of money that would surely justify them being a household name.

Still with me - you're doing well - I've saved what may be the best bit to the end ...

Remember when I mentioned the Current User login feature? (I know, you were much younger then!)
Most browsers, including IE and Firefox offer a method to view the source of the page. In IE it's View - Source.
Let's try that with 3icatalyst.com
You'll see a mixture of HTML, CSS and Javascript - incidentally this is considered very poor programming - they really should be in separate files (maybe they can recruit a good web developer from somewhere?).

Scroll down beyond half way and you'll find a section starting "function introDone()"
Look for
<input type="button" name="login" value="Login" onclick="doLogin()"This means that when you click on the Login button it will call a javascript function called doLogin - this is fine.

Now scroll down to "function doLogin()"
The first part of this starts with // meaning that it's a comment and can be ignored.
The next line starting
document.getElementById("flashcontent").innerHTML = '<div is the interesting one.
What this does is replace an area of the page with the html that follows, and that includes the warning about the incorrect username or password. But there's no sign of the login being sent to a server for validation, and no "if" statement to handle a successful login.

Basically, you can enter any username and password you like - it does nothing with it and immediately tells you that it is incorrect. So either the login is broken (which would be extremely generous of you) OR It was never intended to work at all - just to give the mpression of a login screen which, on the surface, looks the part. This seems to be a recurring theme throughout the site. It looks plausable until you start to think and investigate and look 'behind the scenes'.

Now scroll down to near the end and you'll find a large section that is commented out (just after "You need to upgrade your Flash Player"). Here you'll find the missing section where all the company logos used to be, with the heading "Some of the Clients we participate with, fund or advise"
These include: rightmove, blackberry, easyjet, BP, Virgin, Yahoo, facebook and many other hugely impressive companies.

The most interesting entry is this one:

<area shape="rect" coords="442,71,568,97" id="rightmove" alt="rightmove" href="http://www.propertywikia.com" target="_blank" />
ie they were originally using the rightmove.co.uk logo, but subsequently changed the logo and link to the propertywikia.com website.
But they didn't change the id and tag - which is either lazy or intended to suggest a relationship between rightmove and propertywikia.

For some reason, they've decided it's no longer appropriate to show the logos (any ideas why?) and simply commented them out instead of doing it properly by removing them from the code. I've attached the .png files from the archived website (http://web.archive.org/web/20110129014951/http://3icatalyst.com/) as 3icat001_01.png and the current (but commented out) one (http://www.3icatalyst.com/3icat001.png) as 3icat001_02.png for comparison.

So, how many Red Flag warnings so far? That's up to you to decide, but for me it's way too many to have any confidence in 3icatalyst as a genuine company, and by association, casts the same doubts on "RMV Group" and "PropertyWikia".


If you'd like to do some more research on 3icatalyst, then I'd suggest trying the following enquiries:
1. Is the company registered at Companies House? If so what is their Company Number?
2. Is the company Vat Registered? If so what is the Vat Number?
3. Do a web search (www.google.co.uk/search?q=25+Canada+Square) for "25 Canada Square" and call any of the companies there and ask about 3icatalyst
4. Do a side by side comparison of 3i.com and 3icatalyst.com websites - they appear to be in the same business and their assets under management are almost identical (strange that) so their websites will be broadly similar, right?
5. Do a search on google for 3i (about 22 million hits) and 3icatalyst (about 3,000 hits) - Hmmm.
6. Be objective and honest - do you really believe anything about 3icatalyst?
7. Take the time to do your own due dilligence - it might save you a small amount of money, a large amount of time, and a huge amount of credibility!
8. Contact some of the companies that 3icatalyst previously claimed to "participate with, fund or advise", especially rightmove.
I'm sure they'll be willing to confirm or deny this.
9. If you know a web developer, ask them to review the site and see if they agree with my observations.

Good luck, and be dilligent .

littleroundman
11-20-2011, 11:57 AM
Welcome to RealScam.com (http://www.realscam.com) Fred.

What an excellent first post, thanks for your input.

Any more red flags, and Property Wikia would blow away on the next windy day.

littleroundman
11-20-2011, 11:58 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Spanishcon.jpg

EAT SPECIAL REPORT: Propertywikia website and the mystery of its rich rewards - Estate Agent Today (http://www.estateagenttoday.co.uk/news_features/EAT-SPECIAL-REPORT-Propertywikia-website-and-its-rich-rewards)

littleroundman
11-20-2011, 12:04 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/anotherbadsign.jpg

Property Wikia - Property Tribes (http://propertytribes.ning.com/forum/topics/property-wikia?xg_source=msg_com_forum&id=2886658%3ATopic%3A288142&page=11#comments)

Soapboxmom
11-20-2011, 01:21 PM
Welcome to RealScam.com (http://www.realscam.com) Fred.

What an excellent first post, thanks for your input.

Any more red flags, and Property Wikia would blow away on the next windy day.
May I second that! A hearty Texas welcome!

No doubt Terry Cuthbert will pop in again and respond.

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
11-21-2011, 04:46 AM
Here's the latest from Scambook.com (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/35812/Property-Wikia-False-Advertising-for-219.40-on-11-03-2011)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/latest.jpg

Note the numbers circled in red:


8 Filed Reports and $451,402 in Total Reported Damages.

littleroundman
11-21-2011, 06:44 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/another-2.jpg

Property Wikia Have You Heard Of Them ? | PropertyInvesting.com (http://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/property-investing/help-needed/4338135)

terrycythbert
11-21-2011, 08:51 PM
Me just enjoying the free marketing. I got 27 new members in my programs today. People love being paid when they making money.

I thnak everyone for the FREE marketing as people love to see someone get off the fllor and get on with life!!

YEHA YOU GUYS ROCK BRING IT ON

Soapboxmom
11-21-2011, 09:21 PM
Me just enjoying the free marketing. I got 27 new members in my programs today. People love being paid when they making money.

I thnak everyone for the FREE marketing as people love to see someone get off the fllor and get on with life!!

YEHA YOU GUYS ROCK BRING IT ON
Sure! And, I am going to be the next Pope!!!

Soapboxmom

laidback
11-21-2011, 09:51 PM
Sure! And, I am going to be the next Pope!!!

Soapboxmom
Hate to point this out, Mum, but Popes are always male...(Ailn't sayin' it's right, just sayin' it's so..) As for 'terrycythbert' we've seen hundreds of varieties of his BS before and will again.!

littleroundman
11-21-2011, 10:12 PM
There's one very good thing about being a commentator in this arena.

All it takes is a tiny bit of patience and the problem takes care of itself.

The "Terry Cuthberts" of this world are forced, by their own hand, to slink away into the ether.

Whether Cuthbert disappears or reinvents himself under a new name after Property Wikia implodes, as we all know it will, there's enough mud attached to his reputation now to keep him dirty for years.

Future "naysayers" have half their job done for them, already.

Whip
11-21-2011, 11:17 PM
Hate to point this out, Mum, but Popes are always male...

You're catchin on.......

littleroundman
11-23-2011, 07:13 AM
Hate to point this out, Mum, but Popes are always male...(Ailn't sayin' it's right, just sayin' it's so..)

And yet, there's STILL more chance of there being a "Pope Mom" than there is of Property Wikia being legit.

littleroundman
11-23-2011, 07:15 AM
STILL the slide continues.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/AlexaNovember23.jpg

littleroundman
11-24-2011, 06:12 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/another-3.jpg

Property Wikia - False Advertising for $219.40 on 11/03/2011 - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits. (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/35812/Property-Wikia-False-Advertising-for-219.40-on-11-03-2011)

littleroundman
11-25-2011, 12:34 PM
Q: What do hackers do when they're not attacking HYIPs ???

A: Why, hack Property Wikias' bank account, that's what:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/bankhackingmyass.jpg

If you believe THAT, then you'll believe anything


http://www.scambook.com/report/view/19446/Propertywikia-False-Advertising-for-$109.00-on-08-31-2011#comment-7778 (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/19446/Propertywikia-False-Advertising-for-$109.00-on-08-31-2011#comment-7778)

littleroundman
11-25-2011, 12:35 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/anotherone.jpg

Property Wikia - False Advertising for $179.00 on 11/09/2011 - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits. (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/33678/Property-Wikia-False-Advertising-for-$179.00-on-11-09-2011#comment-7832)

Whip
11-25-2011, 01:50 PM
Q: What do hackers do when they're not attacking HYIPs ???

A: Why, hack Property Wikias' bank account, that's what:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/bankhackingmyass.jpg

If you believe THAT, then you'll believe anything


http://www.scambook.com/report/view/19446/Propertywikia-False-Advertising-for-$109.00-on-08-31-2011#comment-7778 (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/19446/Propertywikia-False-Advertising-for-$109.00-on-08-31-2011#comment-7778)


Shocking I say! lol. What tools. I can't believe these scammers keep recycling the same gibberish over and over.

littleroundman
11-27-2011, 12:37 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/continuedslide.jpg

littleroundman
11-28-2011, 04:35 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/oops-2.jpg

Propertywikia - False Advertising for $109.00 on 08/18/2011 - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits. (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/21436/Propertywikia-False-Advertising-for-$109.00-on-08-18-2011#comment-6073)

littleroundman
11-29-2011, 10:51 AM
It appears, for the second time, scam.com (http://www.scam.com) has removed a Property Wikia related thread from its' forum.

Just what IS the going rate for corruption and bribery these days ???

My sincere condolences to those who wasted considerable time and effort at scam.com (http://www.scam.com)exposing the Property Wikia scam and ensuring others were not taken to the cleaners.

Soapboxmom
11-29-2011, 11:30 AM
It appears, for the second time, scam.com (http://www.scam.com) has removed a Property Wikia related thread from its' forum.

Just what IS the going rate for corruption and bribery these days ???

My sincere condolences to those who wasted considerable time and effort at scam.com (http://www.scam.com)exposing the Property Wikia scam and ensuring others were not taken to the cleaners.
Hell, George will now proably offer them a discount on advertising. The Bella Homes' threads disappeared and bingo there were ads plugged personally by George / Zach right after. What a coincidence.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-29-2011, 11:47 AM
On 11/29/2011 at 10:03 AM donotreply@domainsbyproxy.com <donotreply@domainsbyproxy.com> wrote:

>Notice to Cease and Desist Internet Defamation (UK Defamation Act 1996)
>
>Private & Confidential
>
>Content Copyrighted
>
>Without Prejudice
>
>Delivered date: 29.11.2011
>
>The owner
>RealScam.com
>
>Care of:
>Domains by Proxy
>15111 N. Hayden Road
>Suite 160
>PMB 353
>Scottsdale, Arizona
>85260
>
>
>Notice to Cease and Desist Internet Defamation (UK Defamation Act 1996)
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-----------------------
>
>Dear Owner of Realscam.com
>
>Please be advised that we are taking legal action against you for the
>series
>of unwarranted defamatory attacks against PropertyWikia and 3iCatalyst you
>have permitted on the forum you operate:
>
>http://www.realscam.com/f12/property-wikia-fraud-so-many-levels-878/
>
>The website's Meta Tags and other HTML based material, Google indexed
>websites, Google cache and all other search engine indexed websites and
>pages and/or any other website and/or website linking to or from any
>offending material will be taken into account in this case.
>
>Your website hosts member's unwarranted actions and baseless accusations
>that have damaged and adversely affected both businesses. You have
>personally permitted members and users to post many wilfully false and
>misleading comments about one or both companies. Further, you have
>personally and wilfully published such false and misleading comments on
>your
>website and continue to do so up-to today's date.
>
>The statements/posts made in reference to one or both companies and
>wilfully
>published and furthermore continue to publish on your website are utterly
>false and without merit, and they are defamation 'per se' in that they
>depict the company/companies as engaging fraudulent activity that violates
>civil and criminal law.
>
>Additionally, you and your website actively encourage and solicit
>defamatory
>statements from other website users and/or members.
>
>According to the UK Defamation Act 1996, you likely have serious financial
>exposure to one or both of the companies for each and every defamatory
>statement published on your website by your users and/or members as a
>direct
>result of your action/s.
>
>Furthermore, your actions have also resulted in damages to one or both of
>the companies.
>
>The above statements made in reference to one or both companies and
>wilfully
>published on your website are utterly false and without merit, and they are
>defamation per se in that they depict the company/companies as engaging
>fraudulent activity that violates civil and criminal law.
>
>Your actions permitting, publishing and spreading libellous and defamatory
>information about one or both companies have caused serious and irreparable
>injury to them, their reputation, and business. We will not stand by and
>allow this misconduct to continue.
>
>We hereby demand that you:
>
>1. Immediately remove all defamatory and disparaging remarks regarding
>either company published by you or your users/members from the Internet,
>and
>
>2. Immediately remove all HTML, Meta Tags and code or links to
>PropertyWikia and 3iCatalyst, and
>
>3. Immediately remove all copyrighted material from your websites
>relating to PropertyWikia and 3iCatalyst, and
>
>4. Immediately cease and desist in publishing defamatory statements
>about either the companies, whether the statements are made by you or third
>parties.
>
>Please note that we do not attempt to restrict legitimate free speech, and
>we believe that the internet is an important medium for dissemination of
>'accurate and truthful' information and for fair comment on issues of
>interest. Your activities, however, unlawfully encroach upon our rights.
>
>This letter puts you on notice that should you refuse to comply with our
>demands within seven (7) calendar days of the date of this email
>transmission, we will have no choice but to pursue all legal courses of
>action, including the filing of civil action to protect our interests. We
>will pursue both damages and legal fees and costs incurred as a result of
>your actions to be levied against your personal estate.
>
>This is a very serious matter that requires your immediate attention. We
>therefore strongly recommend that you address and resolve this situation
>immediately. This letter is your one and only chance to resolve this matter
>amicably.
>
>In the event that no action is taken, this letter and supporting evidence
>will be immediately filed in London's High Court and the verdict
>transferred
>to your local court in order to seize your assets to pay damages and fees
>relating to our claim.
>
>Please be aware that this letter is copyrighted by us, and you are not
>authorised to republish this in any manner. Use of this letter in a
>posting,
>in full or in part, will subject you to further legal causes of action.
>
>To avoid the commencement of legal action against you, you must confirm
>this
>letter has been received, understood and you will comply with its demands.
>
>Yours sincerely
>
>Legal department 3iCatalyst.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

*********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE ***********

Where do I start. I always make the exact same offer to all those who complain. If there is something that is factually incorrect please cite it and refute it with verifiable facts. I will remove, edit and / or retract as prudent. I rarely have to do any work related to that! LOL!!!

The site owner is anonymous. The site is hosted in the United States and I believe U.S. law would apply. So, going to London High Court is quite an amusing threat, but how would that court have any jurisdiction? Though I am sure visiting London again would be quite a wonderful vacation. The PW scammers also seem to be confused about the law here in the 50 states. Take a look at 47 USC 230 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000230----000-.html). In relevant part, it reads: "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." In other words, the "scam site owner" is not liable for what others post.

The only information the admins have is a registration e-mail address and the IP addresses. I would never turn them over without a court order from a court with proper jurisdiction and as many use proxy servers and dummy e-mail accounts that information would be pretty much useless. And, again, I will look at any posts with provably false information and take appropriate action. So, suing the site itself won't fly under U.S. law and finding anonymous posters is an exercise in futility. To prove damages PW is going to have to identify statements of fact that can be proven false. Opinion and hyperbole are not generally actionable. I suppose in court you boys could discuss the weather, while any defendants have a field day discussing all PropertyWikia's financial and tax records. PW will have to produce that kind of detailed discovery to prove damages. That should be a blast!

George Dranichak may cave to any ridiculous letter. At RS we publish them and invite commentary.

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
11-29-2011, 12:04 PM
For the benefit of Mr "non existent legal department" of the "non existent 31Catalyst group of companies" trading as "non existent Property Wikia"

I'll translate that into Australian for you:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/flipping-off-grandma.jpg

laidback
11-29-2011, 12:41 PM
Ah-h-h, the universal digit of disdain was n'er so well deserved. Note that their pathetic diatribe is not even worthy of the dreaded double digit...!

Soapboxmom
11-29-2011, 01:09 PM
There are complaints about this scam all over the internet. I am inviting all those who were ripped off to join us here. PW can bite my butt!!!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-29-2011, 01:13 PM
PropertyWikia Roger and I joined PropertyWikia recently. Unfortunately we didn't research it before we joined. We trusted a friend who introduced us to it and so jumped in thinking the concept was brilliant and a much needed service.
After doing extensive reading on the PropetyWikia sight however, we started to question things. Red flags popped up.
We couldn't get satisfactory answers from the company reps (which only seems to be Julian Vincent, by the way). Julian was assigned to us as our personal mentor but come to find out he is everyone's mentor. He seems to be a "jack of all trades.” He is the only person we can get a hold of besides the mysterious C.S on Skype.
I asked C.S for Property Wikia corporate names and contact info. He gave me Julian's cell phone #!
I was on Skype with C.S because my husband and I were asked to have a conference with corporate to talk about our grievances but C.S was the only person who showed up. He told us that Julian couldn't make it because his new born baby died.
I asked C.J who he was in relation to the company. He told me that he was an affiliate just like me. I asked him how long he had been in PropertyWikia. He said since July. "I assume you haven't received any money?" I asked. He said no but his sponsor, Jim Portman, did. He emailed me a copy of his sponsor's check.
The bank name on the check was HSBC, address:, PO Box 27 103 Station Road, Edgeware, Middlesex HAS 711 Tel 06257 60 60 60. Have you ever heard of a bank using a P.O Box?
The check was for 180,050.00 pounds. (Hand written by the way).
Wouldn't you think that a company that has the financial backing and raking in millions from investors and advertisers that the checks would be computer generated? hmmm
Why doesn't the check have the Property Wikia name and address on it? And the signature on the check? Well... I've seen some pretty crazy signatures, but this one tops it... a scribble around and around in circles!
Property Wikia says it's been around since 2007. However, after doing a search on the net, I can't find anything older than a few weeks.
Where are the happy testimonies from Real Estate agents and property owners who have sold their homes?
How does PW advertise the homes for sale? I don't see any of them on the internet nor many of them on the Property Wikia site.


After we asked for a refund, they immediately shut down our account. The notice on our website said that we are being investigated because of spamming! lol
There’s more, but suffice it to say, I'm convinced PropertyWikia is a scam but I wish it wasn't. If you have any evidence to the contrary feel free to convince me it is legit. I'm open.
Contact us here (http://www.christian-home-business-help.com/contact-us.html) for feed back.
Linda

littleroundman
11-29-2011, 09:29 PM
It has become evident that the above mentioned (but, in reality, non existent) Property Wikia "legal department" has been busy issuing the same threatening communication as received by REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) to anyone and everyone who has dared speak out about the fraudulent operation that is Property Wikia.

It is perhaps unfortunate that many peoples' impressions of the law/s with regard to slander/libel/defamation are coloured not so much by reality, but more by television programs, sensationalist media coverage and a few disreputable members of the profession.

The bottom line here is, Property Wikia is engaging in disreputable, illegal and dishonest behaviour.

If REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) was in the slightest doubt of that fact, this discussion would not exist

IF, and I stress IF this ever got beyond the huffing and puffing and threatening letter stage, it would be beholding on Property Wikia to prove to the satisfaction of a court that the allegations and opinions here were inaccurate and or misleading and damaging to the reputation of Property Wikia.

Personally, I would relish the opportunity to be the catalyst facilitating such a court case.

Soapboxmom
11-30-2011, 10:06 AM
IP Address: 85.161.21.124


Location
http://www.ip2location.com/images/flags/cz.png CZECH REPUBLIC, -, -


Latitude, Longitude
50.087811, 14.42046 (50°5'16"N 14°25'14"E)


Connection through
EUROTEL PRAHA SPOL. S R.O


Local Time
30 Nov, 2011 03:35 PM (UTC +01:00)


Domain
O2.CZ


Net Speed
DSL


Area Code
-


IDD Code
420


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Weather Station
PRAGUE (EZXX0012)


Mobile Country Code (MCC)
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Mobile Network Code (MNC)
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Carrier Name
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Terry Farmer Legal Representative @ RealScam.com - Is it, or isn't it? You Decide. <incubated@3icatalyst.com>
Date: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:45 AM
Subject: RealScam.com - Is it, or isn't it? You Decide. Contact Us Form - Legal Notice
To:


The following message was sent to you via the RealScam.com - Is it, or isn't it? You Decide. Contact Us form by Terry Farmer Legal Representative ( mailto:incubated@3icatalyst.com ).

--------------------------------

I sent you a legal notice yesterday via your protected email address as per your whois data. I also sent the legal notice to your private domain service provider. If you do not respond within 12 hours I have been instructed to start legal proceedings against you, your host, your IP provider, Godaddy and your upstream bandwidth provider and network.

One will shut you down.

Best regards

Terry Farmer
Legal representative for and on behalf of 3icatalyst and PropertyWikia

--------------------------------

Referring Page: http://realscam.com/


IP Address: 85.161.21.124
User Name: Unregistered
User ID: 0
Email: incubated@3icatalyst.com





I will be responding right here only. An IP from Czechoslovakia, really? All the comments here reflect facts and opinion. The many people who have gotten ripped off have every right to tell their stories and they will stay. Site owners are not legally liable for what is posted on sites based in the United States and as I have already said there are not any posts which violate the rules and guidelines, so I will not be removing any at this time. Again, if there are false statements of fact, then please cite those specifically and refute them with verifiable documentation and I or another admin will look into it. Otherwise.....


3iCatalyst – Canary Wharf, 25 Canada Square, London Docklands, London E14 5LB United Kingdom.
contact@3icatalyst.com

There is no phone number on their website.
from Google maps:

Canary Wharf & City Ltd 25 Canada Square Canary Wharf London E14 5LQ, United Kingdom +44 20 7038 8036 ‎
Now, it is time to do some digging and see if these clowns are properly registered to do business in the UK and look into their VAT.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
11-30-2011, 10:25 AM
3icatalyst and RS are both hosted on GoDaddy. That will get a tremendous laugh there! If the PW dingle-berries sue GoDaddy I suspect they won't be hosting them any longer!!! At least that is one place to find a proper phone number.
Registrant:
PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group)
Level 33, 25 Canada Square
Canary Wharf,
London, E14 5LB
United Kingdom

Domain Name: PROPERTYWIKIA.COM
Created on: 29-Apr-07
Expires on: 29-Apr-13
Last Updated on: 09-Feb-11

Administrative Contact:
Thomas, Brian http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c52172445c5b6c5f25afaafb103e2654&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c52172445c5b6c5f25afaafb103e2654)
PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group)
Level 33, 25 Canada Square
Canary Wharf,
London, E14 5LB
United Kingdom
+44.07924590594 Fax -- +44.07010758732

Technical Contact:
Thomas, Brian http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c52172445c5b6c5f25afaafb103e2654&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c52172445c5b6c5f25afaafb103e2654)
PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group)
Level 33, 25 Canada Square
Canary Wharf,
London, E14 5LB
United Kingdom
+44.07924590594 Fax -- +44.07010758732

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.PROPERTYWIKIA.ORG
NS2.PROPERTYWIKIA.ORG

littleroundman
11-30-2011, 11:18 AM
Who wants to bet me there's some shenanigans going on here WRT phone numbers ???

Here's the phone number given by "Mr Brian Thomas":

Thomas, Brian http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c52172445c5b6c5f25afaafb103e2654&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://www.domaintools.com/research/reverse-whois/?email=c52172445c5b6c5f25afaafb103e2654)
PropertyWikia (part of the RMV Group)
Level 33, 25 Canada Square
Canary Wharf,
London, E14 5LB
United Kingdom
+44.07924590594 Fax -- +44.07010758732

NOTE: +44.07924590594

Here's the same info provided for 3icatalyst:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/funnybiz.jpg

whois 3icatalyst.com (http://dnsw.info/3icatalyst.com)

NOTE: +44.7924590594 (NO zero)

HOWEVER, when we do a quick search of who else uses that +44.7924590594 (without the zero) number, what do we find ????

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/realeasy.jpg

WOW !!!

Different name and address all together.


COINCIDENCE ????

I think not.

littleroundman
12-01-2011, 12:36 PM
1 month period

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/PWMONTHGRAPH.png

3 month period

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/PWgraph.png

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/ranking.jpg

glenwood
12-01-2011, 01:59 PM
Guys -
Thank you for keeping this going.
The info you are finding out is fascinating
and how they can even suggest they might sue for defamation is beyond belief.
They HAVE removed many of the incriminating comments that Julie Diligence pointed
out regarding all the 'actual' and 'potential' figures.
They HAVE removed all the testimonials, presumably as they are truly fictitious.

Oh and by the way - 94 Borehamwood Road , EN10 4RU is fictitious.
Borehamwood Road does not exist and neither does the postcode.

Please keep going and find out who these guys REALLY are .... :)

And this one is interesting - look who they are hosted by -

459

Soapboxmom
12-01-2011, 02:32 PM
Welcome to the site, glenwood. Great to have you here! You can bet we will not cater to any scammers!

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
12-02-2011, 07:59 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/stilltheycome.jpg

Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits. (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/41959/Property-Wikia-False-Advertising-for-100.00-on-11-30-2011)

littleroundman
12-02-2011, 08:16 PM
Hmmnn,

something's up:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/suspended.jpg

Cash Wikia (http://www.cashwikia.com/5667074791/Register)

The "CASHWIKIA" website now returns:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/cashwikia.jpg

CashWikia (http://www.cashwikia.com/)

glenwood
12-03-2011, 02:03 PM
Have you seen -

the 'average time to sell a property'
is now

'11 weeks 5 days'

a bit different from their '8 weeks ...'

Is it failing to sell properties or find buyers for some reason ?

Whip
12-03-2011, 06:59 PM
Have you seen -

the 'average time to sell a property'
is now

'11 weeks 5 days'

a bit different from their '8 weeks ...'

Is it failing to sell properties or find buyers for some reason ?

That was never it's intent.

littleroundman
12-03-2011, 08:06 PM
DOWN AND DOWN SHE GOES, WHERE SHE STOPS, NOBODY KNOWS:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/alexadecember.jpg

littleroundman
12-05-2011, 06:38 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/anotherdissatisfiedvendor.jpg

Property Wikia Scam – False Advertising | Scam or True (http://www.scamortrue.com/property-wikia-scam-false-advertising.html)

littleroundman
12-05-2011, 11:15 AM
This is getting to be fun.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/pwstats.jpg

Dropping faster than a lead balloon

littleroundman
12-06-2011, 07:00 AM
Nice company with whom to do business:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/regina.jpg

Excellent strategy, Property Wikia, don't fix the problem,

instead, shoot the messenger.

CHARMING.

Property Wikia - False Advertising for $164.00 on 08/31/2011 - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits. (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/34564/Property-Wikia-False-Advertising-for-$164.00-on-08-31-2011#comment-8247)

andyhazel
12-06-2011, 03:38 PM
I agree it happened to me! Property wikia is a scam for sure.

andyhazel
12-06-2011, 03:51 PM
Thankfully Julian Vincent of PROPERTY WIKIA is not too bright. 1st, have you ever seen a site of this sophistication that the "live help" is ALWAYS OUT? Plus if you leave a messg, like a simple question....no response ever. So then I write directly to Julian Vincent with my simple affiliate (he is suppose to be my mentor) and he too never writes back!! Oh, i did however hear each and every time from his auto responder, that works great. Anyway his obvious disregard for affiliates then raised many other red flags which also did not add up. So do what I did I called the credit card co and put a charge back against them and got all my money back from this scammer.
hope this can help someone else. Good luck! :RpS_wink:

littleroundman
12-06-2011, 06:41 PM
Hiya Andy, and welcome to RealScam (http://www.realscam.com)

Sorry to hear of your experience.

It certainly seems like the Property Wikia fraud is imploding or they've gone into a full lock down mode in an effort to manage all the negative publicity they've managed to attract.

Their Alexa rating is in free fall and there's little or no new activity on the 'net.

JMO, but, I wouldn't be surprised if we're moving into the end game. and the complaints will start flooding in as the magical "12 week" periods begin for those who signed up early.

Good to hear you managed to get a charge back.

littleroundman
12-06-2011, 07:57 PM
Despite Property Wikia and "Julian Vincents" best censorship efforts, the truth is still getting out there:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/DOWNDOWNDOWN.jpg

propertywikiacom, propertywikia.com (http://www.updowner.com/propertywikiacom/propertywikia.com)

andyhazel
12-07-2011, 09:41 AM
Nice work! Hopefully your efforts will help save someone else a lot of grief.
FYI: I got an email from Property Wikia yesterday less than 12 hours after stopping payment on my Amex. Property wikia had no problem resonding "timely" when the money disappeared from there SCAM acct. LOL, anyway, below I responded to them with this quick note


It has come to my attention that this site is a scam! Moreover, Julian Vincent has proven the case. I have tried numerous times to reach him by email and Skype all unanswered! Oh, his autoresponder however gets back within seconds but that's the only thing that writes back. This is also true of your "live help" LOL, never there, and when I leave a messg. never get a response. For a sophisticated site as this is you obviously have a
few fools running it. Thank you Julian for making your SCAM so obvious! What a scam this is! I was able to catch it early before serious money was laid out..
Andrew Sansone

p.s. I'm sure your aware of all the proof from hundreds of others that you are a scam. However, I saw that before. Julian is the one that gave me what I needed to prove it to me.
Thanks Julian (or whatever your real name is)

littleroundman
12-07-2011, 10:14 AM
This is getting serious.

Now even Alexa can't be bothered with these silly fraudsters:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/disqualified.jpg

I wonder if "Julian Vincents" jaw is dropping as fast as Property Wikias' visitors.

Whip
12-07-2011, 12:07 PM
Nice work! Hopefully your efforts will help save someone else a lot of grief.
FYI: I got an email from Property Wikia yesterday less than 12 hours after stopping payment on my Amex. Property wikia had no problem resonding "timely" when the money disappeared from there SCAM acct. LOL, anyway, below I responded to them with this quick note


It has come to my attention that this site is a scam! Moreover, Julian Vincent has proven the case. I have tried numerous times to reach him by email and Skype all unanswered! Oh, his autoresponder however gets back within seconds but that's the only thing that writes back. This is also true of your "live help" LOL, never there, and when I leave a messg. never get a response. For a sophisticated site as this is you obviously have a
few fools running it. Thank you Julian for making your SCAM so obvious! What a scam this is! I was able to catch it early before serious money was laid out..
Andrew Sansone

p.s. I'm sure your aware of all the proof from hundreds of others that you are a scam. However, I saw that before. Julian is the one that gave me what I needed to prove it to me.
Thanks Julian (or whatever your real name is)

But what did their initial email say?

andyhazel
12-07-2011, 12:14 PM
Sorry I should have included it as I'm sure you'll get a chuckle .. I did.


Date Your Acc. Blocked: 6th December 2011

Your area's payment just bounced, so we've blocked your account totally until you deliver a replacement payment.

You have very little time to do this and we will not be reminding you to replace payment for your order.

To arrange your replacement payment you must 'reply to' this email keeping the subject intact.

If you have other paid/unpaid orders in this 'bounced payment' account they will be affected also. Unfortunately, each time your payment bounced it cost PropertyWikia a minimum of £30.00GBP bank charges.

When sending replacement payment, you must also pay us the bank charges for the inconvenience. When you reply to this notice administration will inform you of the additional cost.

Replacement payment must be in cleared funds and reach us within 5 days of today or your account will be terminated. Termination will delete all your areas due to the additional costs owed.

This decision is not negotiable.

Best regards

PropertyWikia Support

Whip
12-07-2011, 12:46 PM
Sorry I should have included it as I'm sure you'll get a chuckle .. I did.


Date Your Acc. Blocked: 6th December 2011

Your area's payment just bounced, so we've blocked your account totally until you deliver a replacement payment.

You have very little time to do this and we will not be reminding you to replace payment for your order.

To arrange your replacement payment you must 'reply to' this email keeping the subject intact.

If you have other paid/unpaid orders in this 'bounced payment' account they will be affected also. Unfortunately, each time your payment bounced it cost PropertyWikia a minimum of £30.00GBP bank charges.

When sending replacement payment, you must also pay us the bank charges for the inconvenience. When you reply to this notice administration will inform you of the additional cost.

Replacement payment must be in cleared funds and reach us within 5 days of today or your account will be terminated. Termination will delete all your areas due to the additional costs owed.

This decision is not negotiable.

Best regards

PropertyWikia Support

Thanks. That's actually hilarious.

littleroundman
12-10-2011, 10:30 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/shaunsmith.jpg

PropertyWikia Scam (RMV Group) (http://www.shaunsmithtraining.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=23)

littleroundman
12-12-2011, 11:45 AM
Would YOU buy real estate from this man ??

Would you sign up as an affiliate of this man ??


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=L78PLo-E3ok

littleroundman
12-14-2011, 07:16 AM
Sometimes the obvious just jumps out at people:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/anotherwarning.jpg

(http://jeanmarieyoungcain.com/?p=807)LIFE LESSONS (http://jeanmarieyoungcain.com/)

littleroundman
12-14-2011, 07:27 AM
Here's a legitimate advert for a property in Spain (note the asking price: £ 68,376 - € 80,000)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/realadvert.jpg

Town House for sale Castillo De Locubin - &euro; 80,000 - Property Network Spain (http://www.propertynetworkspain.com/inland-andalucia/for-sale/town%20house_castillo%20de%20locubin__35474.htm)

Here's an advert stolen and placed on Property Wikia (again, note the price:€95,000 EUR / $125,593 USD approx.)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/realadvert.jpg

PropertyWikia - For Sale - Castillo de locubin, Andalucia, Spain (http://www.propertywikia.com/For-Sale/House-Townhouse/Andalucia-Castillodelocubin/3014)

Why on earth would anyone pay €15,000 EUR more for the same property via a fraudulent online business run by unknown fraudsters ??

I'll say again: Property Wikia doesn't want to sell properties.

If anyone wanted to buy the property, Property Wikia would be in trouble when the legitimate agents and/or owners discovered what was happening.

It wants all those sign up fees from "affiliates"

littleroundman
12-15-2011, 11:01 AM
Here we go again.

The real advert, with an asking price of "over AUD $1,195,000"

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/therealad.jpg

38 San Javier Circle , Secret Harbour, WA - House For Sale by Peard Wright (http://www.realestateview.com.au/Real-Estate/38-san-javier-circle-secret-harbour/Property-Details-buy-residential-3350449.html)

Meanwhile, the clowns over at Property Wikia have stolen the listing and are pretending the asking price is AUD $1,960,000

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/therealad.jpg

PropertyWikia - For Sale - Secret Harbour, South, Perth, Western Australia, Australia (http://www.propertywikia.com/For-Sale/House-Detached/WesternAustralia-Perth-SecretHarbour/1330)

A difference of AUD $765,000

Hmmnn, once again Property Wikia is in the business of NOT selling the property

littleroundman
12-17-2011, 02:40 AM
Are we there yet ??

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/pwdecember17.jpg

littleroundman
12-19-2011, 02:43 AM
Christmas must have come early in PropertyWikialand

Everyone's gone home for the holidays:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/AlexaPW.jpg

littleroundman
12-20-2011, 11:10 AM
Seems like somebody is listening.

The last comment on Property Wikias' Facebook page was on November 4.

Property Wikia | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Property-Wikia/130652403702775)

littleroundman
12-21-2011, 03:17 AM
Every indicator that matters is sliding further and further D-O-W-N-N

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/updownercomrankings.jpg

littleroundman
12-21-2011, 03:27 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Rats.jpg

Julie Diligent
12-21-2011, 12:16 PM
Hee-hee. Brilliant cartoon!

The rats must be first the phantom Brian Thomas... followed by the alleged Julian Vincent... and then the virtual Jim Portman.

And of course it's the only vessel in maritime history ever to have been registered in the landlocked Czech Republic.

littleroundman
12-21-2011, 12:26 PM
And of course it's the only vessel in maritime history ever to have been registered in the landlocked Czech Republic.

Registered in the Czech Republic, you say ??

Would that make "Julian Vincent" a "bounced Czech" ???

littleroundman
12-21-2011, 12:35 PM
Given the amount of revelations about his shady program, perhaps a more correct description of "Julian Vincent" would be a "dishonoured czech"

Julie Diligent
12-21-2011, 12:39 PM
Given the amount of revelations about his shady program, perhaps a more correct description of "Julian Vincent" would be a "dishonoured czech"

Indeed. And given that affiliates have been well and truly shafted, a more apt name for the program would perhaps have been PropertyFuckia.

Whip
12-21-2011, 12:43 PM
Registered in the Czech Republic, you say ??

Would that make "Julian Vincent" a "bounced Czech" ???

Ha ha ha ha.

pegjoy54
12-22-2011, 08:32 AM
Thankfully Julian Vincent of PROPERTY WIKIA is not too bright. 1st, have you ever seen a site of this sophistication that the "live help" is ALWAYS OUT? Plus if you leave a messg, like a simple question....no response ever. So then I write directly to Julian Vincent with my simple affiliate (he is suppose to be my mentor) and he too never writes back!! Oh, i did however hear each and every time from his auto responder, that works great. Anyway his obvious disregard for affiliates then raised many other red flags which also did not add up. So do what I did I called the credit card co and put a charge back against them and got all my money back from this scammer.
hope this can help someone else. Good luck! :RpS_wink:

This has been my experience with them EXACTLY! How long had you been in it before you got your money back?

littleroundman
12-22-2011, 12:40 PM
We've all heard about the massive £185,000 commission cheque earned by "Jim" and I know you've all been waiting with bated breath to see it.

Wait no more, here it is:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/checkmyass.jpg

£250 Grand in 25 weeks (http://twenty5weeks.blogspot.com/)

What's that I hear you say ???

Wrong address ???

Let's check with HSBC itself, shall we ??

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/hsbc.jpg

HSBC Bank Plc 103 Station Road,Edgware,Middlesex (http://www.360clicks.co.uk/money/banks/bank_branch.asp?branch_id=4863)

WHOA !!

How can this be ??? It's a street address and not a PO box number ???

Hmmnn,

come to think of it, when was the last time anyone saw a multi million dollar company issue a handwritten commission cheque.

THIS SAGA BECOMES MORE WEIRD BY THE HOUR.

terrycythbert
12-22-2011, 03:52 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Rats.jpg

I have 40 property listings approved through Propertywikia Security Check. Tomorrow my 12 week compensation period starts for the first 2 listings and then by months end 19 listings will be due for weekly compensation. Communication has been great with PropertyWikia Complinace and Julian Vincent (as Affiliate Manager)

I will have my Compensation area come alive within the week.

It is obvious I am setting myself up here to be shot and dragged over the coals by LIITLEROUNDMAN and JULIEDUEDILIGENT but I love it as it has given me profile as an affiliate all the way from "little old New Zealand".

WATCH THIS SPACE as we are going to see these 2 LIITLEROUNDMAN and JULIEDUEDILIGENT disappear soon when they realise they are whistle blowers for the boys that cried wolf only

{self promotion link removed per the rules: http://www.realscam.com/f26/rules-guidelines-63/}

Soapboxmom
12-22-2011, 04:05 PM
Be sure to show us proof you are being paid as promised. We will be waiting!

Soapboxmom

terrycythbert
12-22-2011, 04:08 PM
We've all heard about the massive £185,000 commission cheque earned by "Jim" and I know you've all been waiting with bated breath to see it.

Wait no more, here it is:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/checkmyass.jpg

£250 Grand in 25 weeks (http://twenty5weeks.blogspot.com/)

What's that I hear you say ???

Wrong address ???

Let's check with HSBC itself, shall we ??

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/hsbc.jpg

HSBC Bank Plc 103 Station Road,Edgware,Middlesex (http://www.360clicks.co.uk/money/banks/bank_branch.asp?branch_id=4863)

WHOA !!

How can this be ??? It's a street address and not a PO box number ???

Hmmnn,

come to think of it, when was the last time anyone saw a multi million dollar company issue a handwritten commission cheque.

THIS SAGA BECOMES MORE WEIRD BY THE HOUR.

LMAO companies here in New Zealand hand write cheques/Checks daily. So not sure what the issue is here folks. I was even in the BANK getting a Bank Cheque the teller hand wrote it out in front of me and the manager signed it off.

So try another one LITTLEROUNDMAN you desperate attempts for attention is getting tedious

terrycythbert
12-22-2011, 04:16 PM
Be sure to show us proof you are being paid as promised. We will be waiting!

Soapboxmom

When getting paid once there is £2,000 available in the back office members can request payment which is paid 30 days later. I will have £1,900 due in the first week, then the second week there after will have qualified the £2,000+ threshold. I will make my requests for payment take a screen shot post it here and wait the normal 30 days from each request.

littleroundman
12-22-2011, 07:14 PM
Terry Cuthbert has one major problem getting anyone to believe his story - he's Terry Cuthbert

Terry could invent a cure for cancer and come up with a formula for world peace and STILL nobody would believe him.

His reputation precedes him.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/logo-1.jpg

RealScam.com, Julie Diligent and Littleroundman don't stand to make a cent from posting about the fraud that is Property Wikia.

As always, we leave it up to our readers to decide.

Julie Diligent
12-23-2011, 01:54 PM
I have 40 property listings approved through Propertywikia Security Check. Tomorrow my 12 week compensation period starts for the first 2 listings and then by months end 19 listings will be due for weekly compensation. Communication has been great with PropertyWikia Complinace and Julian Vincent (as Affiliate Manager)

I will have my Compensation area come alive within the week.

Oh, Terry. Dear, dear Terry...

Open your eyes, man. Don't you see? You're being set up. You're being played. You're their pet patsy!

They've chosen you because the naive among the affiliate membership -- the poor lambs still holding on to their smidgin of hope that the deal is real -- see you as their 'people's champion'. Their torchbearer in the trenches.

You're brash. You're mouthy. You've been round the real Real Estate block more than a few times. You're always posting upbeat stuff in forums and Skype rooms. You alone defend against the evil Scamsayers such as LRM and me. The mountain of evidence that PW is just one big conspiracy to defraud -- now evidently run from the Czech Republic behind the virtual London office facade -- you stand in steadfast denial of.

But to what purpose have they chosen to approve those 40 listings of yours, Terry?

That's easy: So the naive hangers on will be persuaded that the Security Check problem really is being fixed. Give them hope. Keep them strung along. Lead them further down the garden path for a few more weeks.

Look! If PW have the will and the wherewithall to approve your listings, they can damn well approve every other affiliate's listings, right?

But have they? Will they?

My arse!

Terry, you know, I think you really are the 'people's champion'. Their champion CHUMP!

No offence.

Merry Christmas

Jools
x

P.S. How were the coals, Terry? Many blisters?

P.P.S. I wonder in which of those three rats' treasure chests your $16,500 NZD is being carried off in.

Whip
12-23-2011, 04:31 PM
The scammers always claim to get paid.

littleroundman
12-23-2011, 07:22 PM
The scammers always claim to get paid.

Terry Cuthbert is the one subject in this whole saga on which Julie and I agree to disagree.

Julie thinks Cuthbert is a patsy.

I, on the other hand, think Terry is a long time get-rich-quick scammer and multiple bankrupt and Property Wikia is just the latest in a long line of frauds in which he's been involved.

The only uncertainty I have is wondering how far "inside" the scam Cuthbert is.

andyhazel
12-26-2011, 05:14 PM
Well stated! I got the same email. What a joke. I saw Julian on skype today so I tried to place a call sadly, as usual, no answer. I wonder who takes the time to write their absurd email demands? LOL

Where do I start. I always make the exact same offer to all those who complain. If there is something that is factually incorrect please cite it and refute it with verifiable facts. I will remove, edit and / or retract as prudent. I rarely have to do any work related to that! LOL!!!

The site owner is anonymous. The site is hosted in the United States and I believe U.S. law would apply. So, going to London High Court is quite an amusing threat, but how would that court have any jurisdiction? Though I am sure visiting London again would be quite a wonderful vacation. The PW scammers also seem to be confused about the law here in the 50 states. Take a look at 47 USC 230 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000230----000-.html). In relevant part, it reads: "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." In other words, the "scam site owner" is not liable for what others post.

The only information the admins have is a registration e-mail address and the IP addresses. I would never turn them over without a court order from a court with proper jurisdiction and as many use proxy servers and dummy e-mail accounts that information would be pretty much useless. And, again, I will look at any posts with provably false information and take appropriate action. So, suing the site itself won't fly under U.S. law and finding anonymous posters is an exercise in futility. To prove damages PW is going to have to identify statements of fact that can be proven false. Opinion and hyperbole are not generally actionable. I suppose in court you boys could discuss the weather, while any defendants have a field day discussing all PropertyWikia's financial and tax records. PW will have to produce that kind of detailed discovery to prove damages. That should be a blast!

George Dranichak may cave to any ridiculous letter. At RS we publish them and invite commentary.

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
12-27-2011, 08:17 PM
Terry Cuthbert says I'm "tedious"

That ain't "tedious"

THIS is what "tedious" looks like:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/decliningmore.jpg

littleroundman
12-27-2011, 08:38 PM
As if that wasn't bad enough,

take a gander at the figures for the "parent company" CashWikia:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/evenworse.jpg

Soapboxmom
12-27-2011, 08:38 PM
Well stated! I got the same email. What a joke. I saw Julian on skype today so I tried to place a call sadly, as usual, no answer. I wonder who takes the time to write their absurd email demands? LOL
Hilarious! I believe mine came from the Czech Republic. Aren't those PW offices in London??? No doubt they were out and about checking out the reals estate abroad! I could line them up some great beachfront property in Dallas. What's a 6 hour drive between friends!

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
12-27-2011, 09:11 PM
Hilarious! I believe mine came from the Czech Republic.
Soapboxmom

I bet they'll be crying in their pivo tonight in downtown Prague

AYP1909
12-29-2011, 12:20 PM
Are Terry Cuthbert and Terry Cythbert the same person?

Soapboxmom
12-29-2011, 01:37 PM
Are Terry Cuthbert and Terry Cythbert the same person?
Yes.

Soapboxmom

laidback
12-29-2011, 01:38 PM
Are Terry Cuthbert and Terry Cythbert the same person?

Yep. Read here for verification. http://www.realscam.com/f12/property-wikia-fraud-so-many-levels-878/index2.html#post11561

Julie Diligent
12-29-2011, 02:45 PM
This personal Skype message from PropertyWikia to an affiliate going by the handle 'CS' was posted in the group Skype chat room yesterday (28th Dec):


“Hello, JV [Julian Vincent] no longer works for PW, may I help you, my nmae [sic] is David and I'm part of the new improved affiliate support team, may I help?”

No doubt we'll learn of his surname in due course. Whatever it is, just like the alleged 'Julian Vincent', our 'new, improved support team' member is merely another alias of our pillaging Czech Republic pirates, of course.

Quick! Draw a fourth rat on that cartoon, LRM!

Apropos the aforementioned 'CS'...

Based in India, his real name is Charanjiit Singh (Twitter (http://twitter.com/goldentouch8)). Instigator and 'Admin' of the most populous and influential PW affilliate Skype chat room, he claims he is sponsored by the virtual Jim Portman and in turn is sponsor to the all-too-bloody-real Terry Cuthbert. (Now you know who to blame, folks.)

Like Terry, Charanjiit is being played by our pirates like a jolly jack-tar's fiddle. Although, whilst Terry is, shall we say, your street-smart-yet-deluded Machiavellian type, Charanjiit is your naive 'pollyanna' type. A useful idiot. Useful to PW, that is; even easier than Cuthbert to sucker.

Somebody, please... break their typing fingers. Deny them the means to lead the other hangers on into false hope.

littleroundman
12-29-2011, 08:04 PM
Apropos the aforementioned 'CS'...

Based in India, his real name is Charanjiit Singh (Twitter (http://twitter.com/goldentouch8)). Instigator and 'Admin' of the most populous and influential PW affilliate Skype chat room, he claims he is sponsored by the virtual Jim Portman and in turn is sponsor to the all-too-bloody-real Terry Cuthbert. (Now you know who to blame, folks.)

Like Terry, Charanjiit is being played by our pirates like a jolly jack-tar's fiddle. Although, whilst Terry is, shall we say, your street-smart-yet-deluded Machiavellian type, Charanjiit is your naive 'pollyanna' type. A useful idiot. Useful to PW, that is; even easier than Cuthbert to sucker.



It is often said, an enthusiastic amateur is worth 10 professional shills to a fraudster.

Unfortunately for Property Wikia, their New Years' day celebrations they have planned are going to be shortlived,

any further down, and their visitor numbers are going to be off the Alexa graph entirely:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/HappyNewYear.jpg

littleroundman
12-31-2011, 09:06 PM
No need to say a great deal these days.

Better to let reality speak for itself:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/pw1-1.jpg

littleroundman
01-01-2012, 11:12 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/pwfacebook-1.jpg

Welcome to Facebook - Log In, Sign Up or Learn More (http://www.facebook.com/MyPropertyWikia)

littleroundman
01-06-2012, 11:01 AM
http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=400&h=220&o=f&c=1&y=r&b=ffffff&n=666666&r=6m&u=propertywikia.com&

Estimated percentage of global internet users who visit propertywikia.com:



Reach
Change


7 day
0.00047
-20%
http://www.alexa.com/images/arrows/down_arrow.gif


1 month
0.00083
-61%
http://www.alexa.com/images/arrows/down_arrow.gif


3 month
0.00227
-39%
http://www.alexa.com/images/arrows/down_arrow.gif



Compare propertywikia.com to:



I wonder,

does Alexa have flatlines on their graphs like ECG machines

littleroundman
01-11-2012, 11:51 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/pw1-2.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/pw2-1.jpg

http://www.scambook.com/report/view/55297/Propertywikia-False-Advertising-for-$711.00-on-08-01-2011 (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/55297/Propertywikia-False-Advertising-for-$711.00-on-08-01-2011)

littleroundman
01-11-2012, 11:53 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/pw3-1.jpg

http://www.scambook.com/report/view/55986/Jacqs-False-Advertising-for-$0.00-on-01-07-2012 (http://www.scambook.com/report/view/55986/Jacqs-False-Advertising-for-$0.00-on-01-07-2012)