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Soapboxmom
06-27-2010, 08:27 AM
The Motion for Expedited Discovery states:


Defendant HealtH20 Products, LLC ("HealtH20") contracted with M. D. Anderson to conduct limited in vitro testing of an "enhanced" water beverage comprised of HealtH20's purported Archaea Active formula and City of Houston tap water. (See Declaration of William Hagans attached hereto ("Hagans Decl."), ¶3, Ex. A). Such testing was limited to testing the potential anti-inflammatory properties of the water beverage as provided to M. D. Anderson (inflammation is known to be an issue faced by cancer patients). Id. Indeed, the testing conducted at M. D. Anderson was so limited and preliminary in nature that it rendered inconclusive results—the tests showed that the beverage, as tested by M. D. Anderson, may have some anti-inflammatory properties, but also, that the beverage may act as an inflammatory enhancer. Id. The report generated by M. D. Anderson specifically stated that further testing would need to be conducted. Id.

Despite the limited and preliminary nature of the testing conducted at M. D. Anderson, Defendants have been claiming that what they, and their cadre of pyramid-based sales people are selling under the brand name Evolv, is, among other things, "backed by research" conducted at M. D. Anderson. (Hagans Decl., ¶4, Ex. B.). These statements are false for at least two unequivocal reasons: (1) Defendants, by their own admission, are not selling the product as tested by M. D. Anderson—M. D. Anderson tested the purported Archaea Active formula as combined with City of Houston tap water, whereas in their Answers to Plaintiff's Complaint, both Defendants claim that the product they are selling is not combined with City of Houston tap water; and (2) any testing conducted by M. D. Anderson was not comprehensive or for that matter, conclusive, as Defendants would have the public believe. (Compare Hagans Decl., ¶3, Ex. A with Defendant Evolv's Answer, Doc. #14, and Defendant HealtH20's Answer and Counterclaims, Doc. #13).

Plaintiff has gathered substantial evidence of Defendants' unlawful use of Plaintiff's M. D. ANDERSON Marks, including video obtained from such well-known Web sites as YouTube. However, Plaintiff has learned that several of those videos have been removed. (Hagans Decl., ¶5.) Plaintiff believes that Defendants may be responsible for the removal of such videos and that Defendants may be in the process of destroying those videos and other evidence relevant to Plaintiff's trademark infringement and related claims.

more to come.....

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
06-27-2010, 08:36 AM
The power point presentation brags of folks on target to make $10,000.00+ and $100,000.00+ per month etc. Folks should demand an Income Disclosure. http://teaminspirit.com/ppt/EVOLV.ppt

With this lawsuit and lots of media coverage I woudn't count on this Titanic to be with us for too long.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
06-27-2010, 08:37 AM
Evolv had a crack team in the product development department. A team of vets.....doctors of veterinary medicine that is.

Team - Archaea Active (http://archaeaactive.com/meet-the-team/)

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
06-27-2010, 08:48 AM
I just adore the Dallas Observer and Houston Press. They do such a great job of exposing scammers in the language the rest of us use.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairp ... _marke.php (http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2009/11/dallas-based_multi-level_marke.php)

Checking out the ingredients is even more humorous.
Ingredients - Archaea Active (http://archaeaactive.com/ingredients/)

The ingredients are alfala, milk whey and ezymes including Amylase, Bromelain, Cellulase, Lactase, Lipase, Papain and Protease enzymes. These ingredients are very cheap and readily available.

Alfalfa:
alfalfa - Vitacost (http://www.vitacost.com/productResults.aspx?.x=8&Ntt=alfalfa&previousText=alfalfa&Ntk=products&pgSz=25&Ns=P_SoldQuantity%7c1&showAll=true&.y=8)

There are numerous choices for pennies a serving.

Milk Whey:
If you want the protein from milk then why not go straight to the source? Also it is found in many supplements here- milk whey - Vitacost (http://www.vitacost.com/productResults.aspx?pgSz=50&Ns=P_SoldQuantity%7c1&previousText=milk+whey&Ntk=products&Ntt=milk+whey&showAll=true)

Enzymes:
enzymes - Vitacost (http://www.vitacost.com/productResults.aspx?ss=1&previousText=enzymes&.x=15&Ntk=products&.y=8&Ntt=enzymes) Vitacost has 401 choices starting a 2 cents per capsule.

An 8 ounce glass of milk at $3 a gallon is 19 cents a serving. It has 8 grams of protein. The Evolv water is $55-65 dolllars a case plus shipping. That is $2.29 - $2.70 a bottle plus shipping which will be around $15 per case. So add .63 to the figures and the water is $2.92 - $3.33 a bottle. How many people are going to spend that kind of money on fancy water????

Let's see the exact information on the Evolv label!
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c110/soapboxmom/magicwater.jpg

Ouch! Zero water it is!!!

So, just how much is in the "miracle water"? Since it would cost pennies to purchase the ingredients why would I join a pyramid scheme to get readily available ingredients--if I was even going to bother supplementing with that stuff in the first place? Evolv better get some more rigorous testing and double-blind studies underway, because this deal is looking sillier and sillier by the moment!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
06-27-2010, 08:52 AM
Do you want to be an Evolvinaire?

Hear the announcement by Trey and Brent.
http://blog.evolvhealth.com/2010/06/trey-and-brent-make-an-announcement-that-will-rock-the-industry/

Sopaboxmom

Soapboxmom
06-27-2010, 09:25 AM
M.D. Anderson Sues Over Water - Video - KPRC Houston (http://www.click2houston.com/video/22529239/index.html)

That video is explosive. MD Anderson has plenty to say about the dishonest solicitations being made using their name and the sales model where reps gone wild across the net can publish and say things that are misleading and dishonest. Trey White and his flunkies refused to comment.

M.D. Anderson Sues Over Water - Houston News Story - KPRC Houston (http://www.click2houston.com/news/22524828/detail.html)

Soapboxmom

Emet
06-27-2010, 09:39 AM
According to this article (http://www.click2houston.com/news/22524828/detail.html),MD Anderson is being counter-sued:


The two water companies have counter-sued M.D. Anderson, arguing they have the right to say M.D, Anderson performed the tests.

ETA: you beat me to the punch with the later article, SBM. :D

Soapboxmom
06-27-2010, 09:41 AM
Dr. Stephen Barrett of Quackwatch shares:

<H2>M.D. Anderson Cancer Center Does Not|

Endorse Evolv Spring Water

Stephen Barrett, M.D.

EvolvHealth, LLC is a multilevel company headquartered in Dallas, Texas. It's featured product is a bottled water water called Evolv, which it claims will convey many health benefits. The company's Web site claims that "Evolv's beverage combines the Archaea Active formula with natural spring water to combine the health benefits of hydration with
increased stamina, energy and endurance" [1] and "may" help to maintain circulation; support the immune system; enhance absorption of important nutrients; restore mental alertness; and "neutralize harmful toxins." [2].
Evolv's benefits are said to result from "unique Archaea Active proprietary technology and backed by studies and testimonials from world-renowned research centers and everyday people like you." The Archaea Active™ formula is said to be made from extracts of alfalfa, milk whey protein, and seven enzymes that undergo manufacturing processes that "remove most all traces of the initial ingredients, leaving behind only picomolar levels of the Archaea Active™ formula." [3] "Picomolar levels" refers to concentrations expressed as trillionths of a gram.


I can't judge whether the original extracts contain enough nutrients to have any nutritional effect. But even if they did, diluting them to one trillionth of their original concentrations would negate all or most of that effect. Moreover:

Alfalfa—concentrated or not—produces no health benefit.
If any enzymes survive the manufacturing process, their concentration will be too small to be meaningful.
Any whey protein that remains would be trivial compared to the amount of equivalent protein in the average diet.
To demonstrate a special health benefit, Evolv would have to be proven in many human clinical trials—and you can safely bet that no such proof exists.
For all of the above considerations—and more—there's no logical reason to believe that Evolv offers any health benefit beyond that of other bottled waters or of ordinary tap water.
Dubious Marketing



From its inception, EvolvHealth's marketing has been centered around statements that the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center has tested its product. In the "OFFICIAL Evolv Introductory Video," for example, Evolv's founder and chairman Trey White, states:



Evolv is our product. A breakthrough science—a science backed up by documented studies from the country's top-ranked medical research institutions, the University of Texas M.D. Anderson Center in Houston. . .

It's true that MDACC conducted some tests, but it would be incorrect to conclude that the tests found any health value or that MCACC endorses any of EvolvHealth's claims. EvolvHealth merely hired the MDACC to conduct a few tests related to possible antiinflammatory activity in cell culture preparations. The tests did not determine efficacy or toxicity, and the results are not applicable to humans. In September 2009, MDACC became sufficiently concerned about the company's marketing to issue the following notice:


We Don't Recommend You Drink the Water ...
Wendy Gottsegen
Director, External Communications
M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
September 9, 2009


We also don't recommend that you don't drink the water, either. Confused? Well there seems to be buzz on the Internet about a type of water that a Dallas-based company is marketing and this water's relationship to M.D. Anderson.
So we thought we'd un-muddy the water for our patients, employees and supporters. M. D. Anderson doesn't recommend the water.
What we did do was test the water (this time the pun is not intended) for the company, who compensated us to do so. The tests were very specific, not comprehensive and the results were turned over to the company without interpretation by M.D. Anderson experts.
Because of the advanced equipment at our institution, we get requests from industry from time to time to use the equipment for commercial endeavors. We evaluate these requests, and if it's not disruptive to patient care and research, we may accommodate for a fee. This is what happened in the case of the water from Dallas.
M.D. Anderson is focused on patient care, research, education and prevention of cancer. You'd be hard-pressed to get us to stray from that mission, so when you see us appear to recommend something not necessarily related to cancer, please ask questions. In fact, please call us at 877-MDA-6789 and let us know.
Our lawyers have crafted some nice language fully explaining this situation. Please share it with anybody who might ask you about M.D. Anderson and some newfangled "nutraceutical" water from Dallas.

M. D. Anderson statement:



Recently, you may have heard or read about a company that sells Evolv, a "nutraceutical beverage," which is being promoted in part based upon testing done at The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, but also is being mistakenly viewed as endorsed by M.D. Anderson. M.D. Anderson conducted limited chemical analysis of the product to evaluate its anti-inflammatory activity for a fee at the request of the manufacturer. No efficacy or toxicity data were generated at M.D. Anderson nor was the product tested on humans. Moreover, M.D. Anderson does not have any involvement with the company, the product is not produced by M.D. Anderson, and M.D. Anderson does not endorse the product or recommend its use.

Despite this announcement, EvolvHealth has continued to falsely imply that MDACC found something useful or in some way endorses its product. As of this writing (October 15, 2009), one page on the Archaea Active site acknowledges that MDACC does not endorse or recommend Evolv's product. However, EvolvHealth's promotional videos and printed and Web-based marketing materials have not been modified.
Income Potential

EvolvHealth's Official Welcome Video states that the company's cutting edge marketing tools and training will "assure your success and financial freedom." I don't believe that because in addition to being overhyped, it is overpriced. The posted retail price is $55 per case of 24 16.9-ounce bottles, which is $2.29 per bottle. The Wall Street Journal recently reported that the demand for bottled water has been falling and that in the first quarter of 2009, the average price in the United States was $1.35 per gallon [4]. That's about 18 cents per 16,9-ounce bottle. In other words, Evolv is priced at nearly 13 times the cost of the average bottled water product.
The Bottom Line

Despite the hype, there's no logical reason to believe that drinking Evolv will provide any special health benefit. The fact that EvolvHealth continues to imply that M.D. Anderson has found Evolv effective is a sign of dishonesty. And its high price compared to other bottled water products will make it difficult for distributors to achieve business success.

0+0x0 always equals a big 0 / Zero!!!!!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
06-27-2010, 11:56 AM
According to this article (http://www.click2houston.com/news/22524828/detail.html),MD Anderson is being counter-sued:



ETA: you beat me to the punch with the later article, SBM. :D
That is hilarious. Evolv doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of prevailing. That should give us a lot more amusing court documents to post however!

Soapoxmom

Soapboxmom
06-29-2010, 10:13 AM
http://muscularchristopher.com/images/indeximg22.jpg Christopher with Multi-Billionaire Founder of http://muscularchristopher.com/images/evolvlogo3.jpg Mr. Trey White.
Hello, my name is Christopher Paul Mitchell. I'm a part of Team T.O.P.G.U.N. EXP in http://muscularchristopher.com/images/evolvlogo3.jpg. I created this website to show everyday, normal people just like myself how to get rich in a home based business. I don't care if you're black or white, young or old, male or female, a high school dropout or a college graduate, my team and I can help you become wealthy with http://muscularchristopher.com/images/evolvlogo3.jpg.

I grew up in what some people would say is a challenging life. My parents divorced when I was just four years old. My mom died of radiation and chemotherapy when I was nine years old. My abusive father kicked me out of the house at the age of fifteen. I used my life savings ($550) to buy a plane ticket and I moved to California at the age of eighteen.

I've lived in my car; I've lived in a motel with roaches in the bathtub; I've lived in a friend's garage on the concrete floor; and I've even been homeless before. So, if you've been through a lot in your life, trust me, I can relate to you.

I was dead broke for the first twenty five years of my life. One unforgettable day in Santa Monica, California I met an amazing man by the name of Sal Williams who changed my life by introducing me to Network Marketing.

Not only is http://muscularchristopher.com/images/evolvlogo3.jpg going to become the fastest growing Network Marketing company of all time, Evolv is also going to grow faster than ANY company of all time! http://muscularchristopher.com/images/evolvlogo3.jpg is no joke! Founded by Multi-Billionaire Trey White it is our goal to make http://muscularchristopher.com/images/evolvlogo3.jpg into a Billion dollar company within our first two years in business.

The time to get envolved with http://muscularchristopher.com/images/evolvlogo3.jpg is right now! As of March 26th http://muscularchristopher.com/images/evolvlogo3.jpg is a brand new start up company on the ground floor. Timing in business is everything! The timing for http://muscularchristopher.com/images/evolvlogo3.jpg is absolutely crucial. Now is your chance to become a part of a life changing, Billion dollar company before it hits critical mass.

Join me and my mentor Robert Dean Jr. and let us welcome you to our Team T.O.P.G.U.N. EXP. Our goal is to create 500 multi-millionaires within the next few years with http://muscularchristopher.com/images/evolvlogo3.jpg. We have a proven system in place that guarantees success if you can simply follow directions. http://muscularchristopher.com/images/evolvlogo3.jpg is predicted to create more millionaires than Microsoft. Join our team and let us help you change your life.

Pick up your phone and give me a call RIGHT NOW!

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I assume you boys can verify Trey's / Roscoe Frederick White's multi-billionaire status. I sure wouldn't want to have to prove that up in court! And, if those earnings claims don't pan out it could get very ugly!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
06-30-2010, 08:52 AM
Let's see how real businessman promote their product:

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But, wait is there a legitimate product? I think he is just recruiting suckers for his downline by waving piles of play money. Go play Monopoly son, that is the only time smart people will have anything to do with clowns waving bills around!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
07-17-2010, 10:24 AM
Contact Team Inspirit for event and ticket information.
Evolv Team Inspirit Awards & Leadership Training Event
Saturday, July 17, 2010 from 1:00 PM - 6:00 PM (CT)
Irving, TX
Ticket Information
Ticket Type Sales End Price Fee Quantity
Evolv Member - single ticket option 2h $20.00 $1.49 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
Evolv Leader - 5 Ticket Option 2h $100.00 $3.49 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
Evolv Leader - 10 Ticket Option 2h $200.00 $5.99 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
Evolv Leader - 20 Ticket Option 2h $400.00 $9.95 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30

You will be taken to PayPal's secure checkout to complete the purchase.

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You can pay at the door.

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For more information about this event, please contact:
Garrett & Sylvia McGrath 214-793-7272 or Jason & Michelle Fraser 214-564-4030
When
Saturday, July 17, 2010 from 1:00 PM - 6:00 PM (CT) Add to my calendar
But wait! Something is missing. The lying scammers had posted about 9 multi-million dollar earners and a billion dollar earner and then they removed that fraudulent solicitiation when I e-mailed the Evolv scammers and informed them that all that was in the hands of the Texas Attorney General's Office.

They also should clarify the million dollar prize is not being given out until this fall and not at this TeamInScamming meeting.

Obviously, it isn't any problem to get tickets to this MLM scammers' gathering. I wonder if they will discuss the suit MD Anderson has filed against these goons? Using their name to promote a product of dubious value promoted pyramid style seems like grounds for a winning suit to me. We should see a lot more very scathing news coverage related to that!

I demand the scammers substantiate those multi-million dollar earner claims. Who are these multi-million dollar earners. Folks that want more info about one of the named multi-millionaire earners are welcome to e-mail me and I will provide much more enlightening information!

Soapboxmom

King
07-17-2010, 10:43 AM
Everyone agrees on that: Evolv (which is also known as HealtH20 or EvolvHealth), paid M.D. Anderson to test its some of its water, which, according to the hospital, ain't nothing but Houston tap water with some stuff in it.

LOL...I guess any endorsement is a good endorsement?

Soapboxmom
07-19-2010, 12:24 PM
Team InScamming says:

Team Inspirit

OXYGEN FOR THE SOULGet StartedLeadersMediaCallsToolsEventsPhotosAbout Us
Garrett & Sylvia McGrath
Founders of Team Inspirit

GARRETT MCGRATH has 19 years experience in the network marketing industry as a top earner and has built organizations of 25,000+ people in 14 countries. An internationally sought after speaker and trainer, Mr. McGrath has been the Master Distributor for four companies. SYLVIA MCGRATH has 19 years of marketing experience, including Vice President of Marketing for a network marketing company, and Vice President of Sales and Marketing for a design firm with Fortune 500 clientele. This dynamic husband-and-wife team has worked together since 1999, combining their world-class skills in sales, marketing, coaching and leadership training to provide mentoring, national broadcasts, events, tools, training and leading entire network marketing organizations to success.


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These are the clowns that hosted the shindig this past Saturday that claimed multi-millionaire earners would be there. I sent them documentation to refute some of those claims and they completely ignored me. They are the very reason it is said that MLMs are filled with liars, frauds and con artist. Where is the substantiation for those lofty claims?

The Texas Attorney General's office now has all those lofty claims and some scathing documentation to refute them. How long will the scammers continue to wink at this obvious deception? Between the AG's office and the suit Md Anderson was forced to file to get their name off of this pyramid scheme sold zero water, I would say the days for this scum bum deal are definitely numbered. Who in their right mind woud join knowing the world renowned cancer center had to sue to preserve their good name?

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
07-19-2010, 12:41 PM
Sylvia and Garrett are multi-million dollar earners living in a house like this:

Value
2010 Proposed Values
Improvement:
Land:
Market Value: $305,310
+ $163,130
=$468,440

Revaluation Year: 2010
Previous Revaluation Year: 2007
And, they are so confident in the future of Evolv that they are renting. Multi-millionaire earners can't afford to buy a house in Dallas which is one of the cheapest housing markets in the nation??? :RpS_ohmy:

Soapboxmom

Earl Lee Tobed
07-19-2010, 12:54 PM
I am so excited about this MLM/cant lose/wonderful business proposition that has given me that final push into launching my very own Jibber Juice on the world market.
Im gonna contact these guys first thing tomorrow for their expert help.I probably wont sleep tonight---Im so excited---just think,if they can do it with tap-water,then Im gonna be a zillionaire---!Whahooooo.

Soapboxmom
07-19-2010, 12:56 PM
TEAM INSPIRIT (TM) - TOOLS TO BUILD YOUR EVOLV BUSINESS (http://www.teaminspirit.com/tools/)

As a new Team Inspirit Evolv member, get your business off to a great start in your first 72 hours!

Evolv New Member Application Form (PDF)

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NEW! FAST START GUIDE
now available in 2 languages:
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Gracias, Fernando y Mayra González
por su excelente traducción!
Great leadership from professional business people, LOL!!! None as in exactly zero of the links on that page work. Team InScamming Scammers-in-Chief don't have to work too hard. The top of the pyramid promoters just sit on their laurels while the downline endlessly recruits and they rake it in on the sign-up fees, large kits and intitial orders. Of course, those poor slobs in the downline have to recruit furiously as the newbies drop out like flies when they realize they are paying around 3 dollars a bottle for zero water.

Soapboxmom

Emet
07-19-2010, 01:18 PM
Links work for me. My personal favorite:

http://www.teaminspirit.com/pdf/host_area_event.pdf

"Bring the Heat"

http:///www.messentools.com/images/emoticones/humor/www.MessenTools.com-Humor-se-prende-fuego.gif

Soapboxmom
07-19-2010, 01:31 PM
The links don't work in Explorer for me, but do work fine in Mozilla. Why, I'll be a monkeys uncle!

We are still left with the real problem though of those thousands they are going to recruit who are at the bottom of this pyramid and can't make any money while the few on top tell them they just need to have more faith and it will happen in God's time. Certainly, there are few if any customers. Who would pay 65 dollars a case plus shipping when a rep gets the water for 55 dollars plus shipping? How long will it take the recruits to figure out that a glass of milk, fresh Alfalfa or a pill and an enzyme tablet would give one exponentially greater amounts of the ingredients in the water for a mere fraction of the price?

Homeschool math class at my house is always open!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
07-21-2010, 01:16 PM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c110/soapboxmom/5333_1195345396153_1004009325_622221_5300084_s.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c110/soapboxmom/magicwater.jpg
We have scammers Trey White, Jason Fraser and Brent Hicks in the above photo clearly imbibing something besides the magic water. Mrs. Michelle Fraser says:

Just an update on my mother... some of you know that she tested very low (85%) when we tested her O2 levels. She has felt terrible for the past 5 months. She has now had Evolv in her fridge and been drinking 2 a day for about the past week. She went to the doc and tested at 99%!!! She says she has felt better this ...week than she has in months... yeah, Evolv!! This is a huge answer to my prayers... seeing her suffer and feeling like I could do nothing has been awful. I am so grateful for this product. Hope you all will consider getting a case and seeing what it can do for you! Michelle
Hold on to you horses there lady. This zero water has virtually nothing in it. A 16 ounce glass of milk has 16 grams of whey protein. The Alfala, which has more protein per ounce than milk and lots of other vitamins and minerals, can be enjoyed fresh on a salad and in a capsule and the enzymes are readily and cheaply available in pill form. I can get exponentially greater amounts of the ingredients in this magic water for a fraction of the cost.

What is in the water that is provdiding this alleged therapeutic benefit? Why would I pay $55 a case plus shipping to get water that has common, cheap and readily available ingredients? A normal diet contains tons more than zero grams of protein in a day. Where are the major pharmaceutical companies. With the myriad of lofty claims they should be battling it out to get the rights to this secret formula so they can test it and market it. That is where the big bucks are. As MD Anderson is suing them the savvy have figured out just how worthless the stuff likely is.

I will be anxiously awaiting all the testing on this zero water. Forget the million dollar recruitment prize, Trey, and have the secret formula tested further!

Soapboxmom

Emet
07-21-2010, 04:21 PM
...some of you know that she tested very low (85%) when we tested her O2 levels. She has felt terrible for the past 5 months. She has now had Evolv in her fridge and been drinking 2 a day for about the past week. She went to the doc and tested at 99%!!!

Arggh. the bastardization of science and medical technology drives me crazy. A one or two time pulse ox (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_oximetry) reading is meaningless.

Woo, I say, woo.
I wonder if she received a gold star for her stellar oxygenation performance. Mr. Frazer is putting out an awful lot of other gases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatulence).

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/1/farting_smiley.gif

Soapboxmom
07-25-2010, 07:47 PM
This guy promoting Evolv is boviously the braintrust of the century:

Evolv Health – Serving Up Quality Water

by Donny on January 26, 2010

The booming wellness industry has touched all products and include even ordinary water. Actually Evolv water is far from ordinary though it is designed to be consumed like regular water.

Using technology that essentially uses oxygenation to clean and restore contaminated environments and organisms, Evolv water has created a variation on H2O that is earning hundreds of testimonials about its effectiveness.

The process called bioremediation is the result of 15 years worth of research by the

The chemical called Archaea Active plays a key role in the bioremediation process and is responsible for the key benefits of Evolv water.

Evolv health is the entity in charge of overseeing the direct marketing program of Evolv.
Does Donny need some of that bioremediation for those addled brain cells -- all two of them????? He does sound like he is contaminated and needs to seriously sober up!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
07-29-2010, 05:57 PM
The nutty promotions continue. It seems pretty desperate to have to keep offering cash incentives like this, doesn't it? How about some real science to back up all the lofty claims instead!

Event Details
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It is interesting who they have picked to speak.

Soapboxmom

Doc Bunkum
07-29-2010, 06:27 PM
I was puzzled who this Robert Dean (GPD) was that was on the poster.

Thought GPD was some sort of a medical designation.

But I was wrong.

See GPD stands for Global Presidential Director.

http://img-ak.verticalresponse.com/media/5/4/b/54b0a93ffe/13e9413424/9d5eb4176a/library/Robert-Dean-Jr.-cropped1.jpg

We welcomed Robert Dean, Jr. and his T.O.P.G.U.N. team to the Evolv family in early January. Since then he has brought on thousands of new Evolvers and has quickly advanced to the rank of Global Presidential Director.

The guy sure gets around!

"It’s no longer news that Robert Dean Jr., Tahiti Noni’s No. 1 distributor has left TNI. And I suppose it’s also no longer news that he has pitched tent with Mona Vie, another network marketing company."

And now Evolve!

"So let’s see why this guy is a industry legend.

In 2001 he discovered that a new network marketing company, Tahiti Noni International.

Within a very short time, Robert Dean had become the top distributor at TNI. His team—known as the Top Gun Team—remains the most successful team in the history of Tahiti Noni International.

The team is made up of 12 multimillionaires—Barry Byrd, Herschel Gibbs, Donna Allen, James Tucker, etc. And the list kept growing. In fact, Roberts’ stated mission is to create 500 millionaires through network marketing.

Then he moved again. He was making well over $300,000 per month with his TNI business, During the later part of 2009 we were all greeted with the rumors that Robert Dean was moving away from TNI to Mona Vie."

A Practical Review Of Robert Dean Jr. — From Tni To Mona Vie (http://www.articlesbase.com/home-business-articles/a-practical-review-of-robert-dean-jr-from-tni-to-mona-vie-1826259.html)

And now he shows up at Evolv.

Wonder what kind of deal they offered him?

Soapboxmom
07-29-2010, 07:28 PM
Introducing Robert Dean and the Evolvers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heQkjR8wm6c&feature=related
What company in the real world would hire boneheads like this as salesman??? :RpS_scared:

Soapboxmom

Doc Bunkum
07-29-2010, 08:00 PM
What company in the real world would hire boneheads like this as salesman??? :RpS_scared:

Soapboxmom

Well, probably any company that wanted to move a lot of product.

Robert Dean and his Top Gunners will probably sell a **** load of water and then they'll be off to their next scam.

Soapboxmom
07-29-2010, 08:02 PM
Well, probably any company that wanted to move a lot of product.

Robert Dean and his Top Gunners will probably sell a **** load of water and then they'll be off to their next scam.

And, they will get there full speed ahead. Perhaps, with a cop chasing them!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzoCYejys6Q&feature=related

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
07-29-2010, 09:42 PM
1 Million reasons to run would be a more fitting title. I can name quite a few!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKZRISfboDI&feature=related
Recruit, recruit, recruit..... That is the only name of the game!
Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
07-29-2010, 10:29 PM
The Evolv Testimonial from Hell!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcHLxPh35yM&feature=related
I will have much more on all those alleged accomplishments of Trey White.

Soapboxmom

Seriously?
07-30-2010, 09:38 AM
In fact, Roberts’ stated mission is to create 500 millionaires through network marketing.
Huh. I wonder why he's not over with Coach at YTB. His stated mission was to create a jillion millionaires too. Coach could use some good news.

Soapboxmom
07-31-2010, 11:18 AM
Huh. I wonder why he's not over with Coach at YTB. His stated mission was to create a jillion millionaires too. Coach could use some good news.

Dang, won't we be just overrun with millionaires everywhere! :RpS_laugh:

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
07-31-2010, 11:38 AM
Testimonials, testimonials, and more testimonials. And, I am sending them to the FTC.

Let's read Dr. Stephen Barrett http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/mlm.html:

The Mirage of Multilevel Marketing
Stephen Barrett, M.D.
Don't be surprised if a friend or acquaintance tries to sell you vitamins, herbs, homeopathic remedies, weight-loss powders, or other health-related products. Millions of Americans have signed up as distributors for multilevel companies that market such products from person to person. Often they have tried the products, concluded that they work, and become suppliers to support their habit.

Multilevel marketing (also called network marketing) is a form of direct sales in which independent distributors sell products, usually in their customers' home or by telephone. In theory, distributors can make money not only from their own sales but also from those of the people they recruit.

Becoming an MLM distributor is simple and requires no real knowledge of health or nutrition. Many people do so initially in order to buy their own products at a discount. For a small sum of money—usually between $35 and $100—these companies sell a distributor kit that includes product literature, sales aids (such as a videotape or audiotape), price lists, order forms, and a detailed instructional manual. Most MLM companies publish a magazine or newsletter containing company news, philosophical essays, product information, success stories, and photographs of top salespeople. The application form is usually a single page that asks only for identifying information. Millions of Americans have signed up, including many physicians attracted by the idea that selling MLM products can offset losses attributable to managed care.

Distributors can buy products "wholesale," sell them "retail," and recruit other distributors who can do the same. When enough distributors have been enrolled, the recruiter is eligible to collect a percentage of their sales. Companies suggest that this process provides a great money-making opportunity. However, it is unlikely that people who don't join during the first few months of operation or become one of the early distributors in their community can build enough of a sales pyramid to do well. In July 1999, the National Association of Attorneys General announced that complaints about multilevel marketing and pyramid schemes were tenth on their list of consumer complaints.

A recent analysis of Quixtar's reported income figures indicates how poorly most MLM distributors do. In a declaration filed in a suit by two former Quixtar distributors, he concluded:

A statistical sample of distributors revealed that 99.4% of the IBOs [independent business owners] earned on average just $13.41 per week—before product purchases, all business expenses, and taxes. This average income is far less than the costs of the business, resulting in 99% of victims of Quixtar making no net profit. Fewer than 1 person in 10,000 are at the "Diamond and above" levels, the upper ranks of the Quixtar chain that every new recruit is urged to aspire to. . . .

The massive loss rates among Quixtar victims that are revealed in Quixtar's own data are the inevitable mathematical result of the endless chain business model. In this model, the success of the IBO is based on continuous recruiting of additional distributors (IBOs), who are induced to make monthly purchases for their own consumption, rather than on making retail sales in the open marketplace. In the recruitment model, only those participants at the top levels of the pyramid can earn true profits, since the source of a participant's real income is the expenditures of individuals below them on the pyramid, and only a small percentage can be in those top positions. The untenable model result in approximately 70% of IBOs quitting Quixtar within the first year. The mission of this deceptive business model is to continuously enroll losing investors (IBOs) and replace them as they suffer losses and quit the program.

Many distributors who stock up on products to meet sales goals or increase their hoped-for commissions get stuck with unsold products that cost thousands of dollars. Some companies permit direct ordering of their products, which avoids this problem, but the risk of failure is still high.

Dubious Claims

More than a hundred multilevel companies are marketing health-related products. Most claim that their products are effective for preventing or treating disease. A few companies merely suggest that people will feel better, look better, or have more energy if they supplement their diet with extra nutrients. When clear-cut therapeutic claims are made in product literature, the company is an easy target for government enforcement action. Some companies run this risk, hoping that the government won't take action until their customer base is well established. Other companies make no claims in their literature but rely on testimonials, encouraging people to try their products and credit them for any improvement that occurs.

Every company I have looked at has done at least one of the following.

Made misleading statements that could frighten people into taking dietary supplements they do not need.
Made misleading statements of product superiority that could induce people to buy products that retail stores sell more cheaply.
Made unsubstantiated claims that their products would prevent or remedy health problems
Uses research findings to promote products without noting that the findings are not sufficient to substantiate using the products.
Uses deception by omission by making statements about the biochemical properties of various substances without placing them in proper perspective. An example would be stating that a certain nutrient is important because it does this or that in the body but omitting that people who eat sensibly have no valid reason to take a supplement.
Exaggerated the probability of making significant income.
Most multilevel companies tell distributors not to make claims for the products except for those found in company literature. (That way the company can deny responsibility for what distributors do.) However, many companies hold sales meetings at which people are encouraged to tell their story to the others in attendance. Some companies sponsor telephone conference calls during which leading distributors describe their financial success, give sales tips, and describe their personal experiences with the products. Testimonials also may be published in company magazines, audiotapes or videotapes. Testimonial claims can trigger enforcement action, but since it is time-consuming to collect evidence of their use, government agencies seldom bother to do so.

Government enforcement action against multilevel companies has not been vigorous. These companies are usually left alone unless their promotions become so conspicuous and their sales volume so great that an agency feels compelled to intervene. Even then, few interventions have substantial impact once a company is well established.

Motivation: Powerful but Misguided

The "success" of network marketing lies in the enthusiasm of its participants. Most people who think they have been helped by an unorthodox method enjoy sharing their success stories with their friends. People who give such testimonials are usually motivated by a sincere wish to help their fellow humans. Since people tend to believe what others tell them about personal experiences, testimonials can be powerful persuaders.

Perhaps the trickiest misconception about quackery is that personal experience is the best way to tell whether something works. When someone feels better after having used a product or procedure, it is natural to give credit to whatever was done. However, this is unwise. Most ailments are self-limiting, and even incurable conditions can have sufficient day-to-day variation to enable bogus methods to gain large followings. In addition, taking action often produces temporary relief of symptoms (a placebo effect). For these reasons, scientific experimentation is almost always necessary to establish whether health methods are really effective. Instead of testing their products, multilevel companies urge customers to try them and credit them if they feel better. Some products are popular because they contain caffeine, ephedrine (a stimulant), valerian (a tranquilizer), or other substances that produce mood-altering effects.

Another factor in gaining devotees is the emotional impact of group activities. Imagine, for example, that you have been feeling lonely, bored, depressed or tired. One day a friend tells you that "improving your nutrition" can help you feel better. After selling you some products, the friend inquires regularly to find out how you are doing. You seem to feel somewhat better. From time to time you are invited to interesting lectures where you meet people like yourself. Then you are asked to become a distributor. This keep you busy, raises your income, and provides an easy way to approach old friends and make new ones—all in an atmosphere of enthusiasm. Some of your customers express gratitude, giving you a feeling of accomplishment. People who increase their income, their social horizons, or their self-esteem can get a psychological boost that not only can improve their mood but also may alleviate emotionally-based symptoms.

Multilevel companies refer to this process as "sharing" and suggest that everyone involved is a "winner." That simply isn't true. The entire process is built on a foundation of deception. The main winners are the company's owners and the small percentage of distributors who become sales leaders. The losers are millions of Americans who waste money and absorb the misinformation.

Do you think multilevel participants are qualified to judge whether prospective customers need supplements—or medical care? Even though curative claims are forbidden by the written policies of each company, the sales process encourages customers to experiment with self-treatment. It may also promote distrust of legitimate health professionals and their treatment methods.

Some people would argue that the apparent benefits of "believing" in the products outweigh the risks involved. Do you think that people need false beliefs in order to feel healthy or succeed in life? Would you like to believe that something can help you when in fact it is worthless? Should our society support an industry that is trying to mislead us? Can't Americans do something better with the billion or more dollars being wasted each year on multilevel "health" products?

Physician Involvement
Many any physicians are selling health-related multilevel products to patients in their offices. The companies most involved have included Amway (now doing business as Quixtar), Body Wise, Nu Skin (Interior Design), Rexall, and Juice Plus+. Doctors are typically recruited with promises that the extra income will replace income lost to managed care. In December 1997, the American Medical Association Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs (CEJA) advised against against profiting from the sale of "non-health-related products" to their patients. Although CEJA's policy statement does not mention products sold through multilevel marketing, CEJA's chairman said the statement was triggered by the growing number of physicians who had added an Amway distributorship to their practice.

Recommendations

Consumers would be wise to avoid health-related multilevel products altogether. Those that have nutritional value (such as vitamins and low-cholesterol foods) are invariably overpriced and may be unnecessary as well. Those promoted as remedies are either unproven, bogus, or intended for conditions that are unsuitable for self-medication.

Government agencies should police the multilevel marketplace aggressively, using undercover investigators and filing criminal charges when wrongdoing is detected. People who feel they have been defrauded by MLM companies should file complaints with their state attorney general and with local FDA and FTC offices. A letter detailing the events may be sufficient to trigger an investigation; and the more complaints received, the more likely that corrective action will be taken. If you possess a distributor kit that you no longer need, I would be pleased to add it to my collection. If you would like to help Quackwatch gather information on MLM companies on the Internet, click here.

This article was revised on January 21, 2008.
Evolv reps have encouraged and recorded numerous such testimonials on their calls, webpages and ads. These fraudulent health claims are what a company like this depends on to sell the product. Even Trey White, the multi-billionaire who owns the company is in on the act.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TULfXNGcGy0
He is totally exaggerating the testing done at MD Anderson. And the reps are telling some incredibly fantastic stories to sell the stuff. Of course, they have a financial incentive to do so. Who would have known that milk protein, alfalfa and 5 enzymes would totally change modern medicine??? Let's get those complaints in to the FTC!!!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
07-31-2010, 07:38 PM
This is one of the gutsiest solicitations ever. The Attorney General's Office and FTC will love this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chO77DJjAdo&feature=related

Partnered with a Multi-Billionaire.

Potentially Millions of Dollars Weekly

She's Seizing a Ground Floor Opportunity

She's Lost 20 lbs. Drinking Evolv in 3 Mos.

She Attracts Dozens of New Partners Weekly

Her "Co-Workers" Are Fun Multi-Millionaires.

The fodder of litigation to be sure!

Soapboxmom

Seriously?
07-31-2010, 10:31 PM
Well, no worse than YTB making up "Dr Seligman". The mysterious Dr had degrees from Harvard and Oxford. Or something like that...

Wizzard7
08-01-2010, 09:18 AM
I thought I had seen real stupidity before, but after watching this video of spastic salesmen, I was evidently incorrect. Even greater stupidity is possible.

Soapboxmom
08-01-2010, 07:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x44ok3-iFCU
Multi-Billionaire Trey White left out the punchline to the joke. His White Energy, the 4th largest ethanol producer, went bankrupt.

Soapboxmom

Blue Wolf
08-01-2010, 09:03 PM
After watching that video, Here are my questions:

Is Trey White really a multi-billionaire?

If so, how did he make so much money?

And if he has so much money, why is he wasting his time doing this?

Soapboxmom
08-01-2010, 09:08 PM
White Energy, One of the Largest Ethanol Producers in the U.S., Files for Bankruptcy in Delaware : Delaware Bankruptcy Litigation (http://delawarebankruptcy.foxrothschild.com/2009/05/articles/bankruptcy-case-summary/white-energy-one-of-the-largest-ethanol-producers-in-the-us-files-for-bankruptcy-in-delaware/)

White Energy, One of the Largest Ethanol Producers in the U.S., Files for Bankruptcy in Delaware
Posted on May 27, 2009 by Jason Cornell, Esq.
White Energy, One of the Largest Ethanol Producers in the U.S., Files for Bankruptcy in Delaware


Introduction

White Energy, Inc. ""White Energy" or the "Debtor"), one of the largest ethanol and gluten producers in the United States, filed for bankruptcy in the United States Bankruptcy for the District of Delaware on May 7, 2009. According to its Declaration in Support of First Day Motions (the "Declaration"), White Energy generated over $500 million in revenue in 2008. Based in Dallas, Texas, White Energy operates three ethanol production facilities in Kansas and Texas.

White Energy produces both ethanol and gluten (an ingredient used by food producers) at its Russell, Kansas facility. As stated in its Declaration, the Debtor processes wheat to make gluten. White Energy uses starch, a byproduct from gluten production, in its ethanol production. By doing so, White Energy is able to reduce its overall costs to produce ethanol.

Debtors' Financials

In July of 2006, White Energy entered into a $298 million senior secured loan with WestLB as administrative agent. Leading up to bankruptcy, White Energy's lenders declared several events of default under the secured loan, including (i) a failure to pay property taxes, (ii) failure to make payments under construction contracts and (iii) failure to pay franchise taxes. White Energy tried unsuccessfully to get its lenders to agree to restructure its debt. Unable to reach an agreement with its lenders, White Energy soon filed for bankruptcy.

According to White Energy's bankruptcy petition, the following entities hold the ten largest unsecured claims against this debtor:

1.ADM ... $2.9 million
2.The Scoular Co. ... $1.8 million
3.Novozymes NA ... $608,526
4.Nexen ... $379,113
5.City of Hays ... $346,056
6.Oneok Energy ... $317,000
7.Russell County ... $290,457
8.Milbank Tweed ... $208,731
9.Univar USA ... $134,385
10.Occidental Chemical ... $114,170
White Energy entered into the ethanol industry in 2006. Since then, commodity prices have become exceptionally volatile with corn prices reaching double their normal price per bushel. At the same time that commodity prices reached historic highs, the oversupply of ethanol has kept prices low. The resulting low profit margins strained White Energy's cash flow, which in turn led to loan defaults and bankruptcy.

This bankruptcy proceeding is before the Honorable Christopher S. Sontchi.

-----------------------------

Jason Cornell is a bankruptcy attorney at the law firm Fox Rothschild LLP in Wilmington, Delaware. If you have questions regarding this, or any other Delaware legal proceeding, you may contact Jason at (302) 427-5512 or jcornell@foxrothschild.com.
Where Trey White / Roscoe Frederick White III made his money is indeed a good question. His business background is quite a story.

Soapboxmom

Blue Wolf
08-02-2010, 09:35 AM
Where Trey White / Roscoe Frederick White III made his money is indeed a good question. His business background is quite a story.

Soapboxmom

According to Forbes magazine, there are 403 billionaires in the United States.

I just looked at the list, and one thing is for sure . . . Trey White is not on it.

Soapboxmom
08-02-2010, 11:02 AM
According to Forbes magazine, there are 403 billionaires in the United States.

I just looked at the list, and one thing is for sure . . . Trey White is not on it.
Awesome find my friend!

The World's Billionaires Page 39 of 41 - Forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/10/billionaires-2010_The-Worlds-Billionaires_NameProper_39.html)

Special Report
The World's Billionaires
03.10.10, 06:00 PM EST
Page 39 of 41

ABEL - ALBRALBU - ARNAARNO - BASSBASS - BLACBLAN - BUFFBURD - CHAOCHAR - CONNCONW - DEICDEJO - DRUCDU S - FETIFILO - FUNGGABE - GOREGOTT - HANHAPP - HECTHEIS - HUGHHUI - JAINJAMA - KAHNKAIS - KIMMKIND - KRAVKRIS - LAURLAUR - LI KLI S - LOWYLU G - MANSMANT - MERIMHAI - MORIMORI - OBEROCH, - PEREPERE - PRITPRIT - RALERAO, - ROSSROVT - SANDSANT - SCHRSCHU - SIEBSIMM - SPANSPER - TAKITAN, - TISCTISC - VARGVEKS - WEEWEI - XIANYAMA - ZHOUZHOU - ZYUZ
Rank Name Citizenship Age Net Worth ($bil) Residence
937 Wei Ing-Chou Taiwan 57 1.0 China
937 Wei Yin-Chun Taiwan 53 1.0 Taiwan
937 Wei Yin-Heng Taiwan 51 1.0 China
937 Wei Ying-chiao Taiwan 55 1.0 China
488 Cher Wang & Wenchi Chen Taiwan 52 2.0 Taiwan
93 Alain & Gerard Wertheimer France NA 7.5 NA
258 Stef Wertheimer & family Israel 84 3.5 Israel
100 Galen Weston & family Canada 69 7.2 Canada
421 Leslie Wexner United States 72 2.3 United States
582 Dean White United States 86 1.7 United States
773 Margaret Whitman United States 53 1.3 United States
616 John Whittaker United Kingdom 68 1.6 United Kingdom
655 Arne Wilhelmsen & family Norway 79 1.5 Norway
400 Oprah Winfrey United States 56 2.4 United States
189 Karl Wlaschek Austria 92 4.4 Austria
258 Aloys Wobben Germany 58 3.5 Germany
880 Allan Wong & family Hong Kong NA 1.1 Hong Kong
197 Peter Woo & family Hong Kong 64 4.3 Hong Kong
463 William Wrigley Jr United States 46 2.1 United States
232 Wu Yajun & family China 46 3.9 China
132 Reinhold Wurth Germany 74 5.7 Germany
937 Samuel Wyly United States 74 1.0 United States
616 Stephen Wynn United States 68 1.6 United States
121 Hansjorg Wyss Switzerland 75 6.1 United States
937 Xian Yang China 36 1.0 China
There is the list where White would fall alphabetically. So, I am sure ol' Trey ain't no multi-billionaire either! More fraudulent MLM claims for the FTC and Attorneys General to enjoy!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
08-02-2010, 11:31 AM
Trey isn't on this list of the Richest Americans either. MLM solicitiations are some great fiction writing, aren't they???

The 400 Richest Americans 2009 - Forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/54/rich-list-09_The-400-Richest-Americans_NameProper_16.html)

Special Report
The 400 Richest Americans 2009
09.30.09, 06:00 PM EDT
The Forbes 400 Richest Americans 2009

John E. Abele - Carl Edwin BergNicolas Berggruen - S. Truett CathyJohn Catsimatidis - Bharat DesaiRichard DeVos - Gerald J. FordTheodore Forstmann - Donald HallBruce Halle - Martha IngramJames Irsay - Brad KelleyPeter R. Kellogg - Ralph LaurenNancy Walton Laurie - Bernard MarcusJ. Willard (Bill) Marriott - Manuel MorounCharles Munger - T. Boone PickensJeffry Picower - David A. RichMarc Rich - Steven SchonfeldRichard Schulze - Jerry SpeyerSteven Spielberg - Todd WagnerAlice Walton - Mortimer Zuckerman

Rank Name Net Worth ($mil) Age Residence Source
6 Alice Walton 19,300 60 Fort Worth Wal-Mart
4 Christy Walton & family 21,500 54 Jackson Wal-Mart
5 Jim C. Walton 19,600 61 Bentonville Wal-Mart
7 S. Robson Walton 19,000 65 Bentonville Wal-Mart
158 Roger Wang 2,000 60 Nanjing retail
94 Ty Warner 3,200 65 Chicago Beanie Babies
289 Kelcy Warren 1,350 53 Dallas Pipelines
61 Dennis Washington 4,200 75 Missoula construction, mining
147 Bruce Wasserstein 2,200 61 New York Wasserstein Perella, Lazard
347 Charlotte Colket Weber 1,100 66 Ocala inheritance
158 Leslie Wexner 2,000 72 New Albany Limited Brands
202 Dean White 1,750 86 Crown Point lboards, hotels
326 Margaret Whitman 1,200 53 Atherton Ebay
141 Oprah Winfrey 2,300 55 Chicago television
154 William Wrigley Jr. 2,100 45 Lake Forest chewing gum
399 Sam Wyly 950 74 Dallas investments
141 Steve Wynn 2,300 67 Las Vegas casinos, hotels
317 Jerry Yang 1,250 40 Los Altos Hills Yahoo
371 Charles Zegar 1,000 61 New York Bloomberg LP
77 Samuel Zell 3,800 68 Chicago real estate, private equity
65 Daniel Ziff 4,000 37 New York inheritance, hedge funds
65 Dirk Ziff 4,000 45 New York inheritance, hedge funds
65 Robert Ziff 4,000 43 New York inheritance, hedge funds
158 Mark Zuckerberg 2,000 25 Palo Alto Facebook
236 Mortimer Zuckerman 1,500 72 New York real estate, media

John E. Abele - Carl Edwin BergNicolas Berggruen - S. Truett CathyJohn Catsimatidis - Bharat DesaiRichard DeVos - Gerald J. FordTheodore Forstmann - Donald HallBruce Halle - Martha IngramJames Irsay - Brad KelleyPeter R. Kellogg - Ralph LaurenNancy Walton Laurie - Bernard MarcusJ. Willard (Bill) Marriott - Manuel MorounCharles Munger - T. Boone PickensJeffry Picower - David A. RichMarc Rich - Steven SchonfeldRichard Schulze - Jerry SpeyerSteven Spielberg - Todd WagnerAlice Walton - Mortimer Zuckerman

Soapboxmom

Doc Bunkum
08-02-2010, 11:57 AM
Sometimes words fail me.

On...

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg436/emperormaximus/meth.jpg?t=1280767861

... is this plug for Evolv:

Trey White Texas Billionaire Launches Evolv Health with a New Category Creator Nutraceutical Beverage (http://methdrugaddiction.com/51969/trey-white-texas-billionaire-launches-evolv-health-with-a-new-category-creator-nutraceutical-beverage/)

Unless, I'm missing something here, but is there some connection between Evolv and meth?

Soapboxmom
08-02-2010, 02:29 PM
Google search engine result says:

YouTube - Robert Dean Protege "I Love My New Life!" Nicole Jackson ...Nicole Jackson (claim to fame: Multi-Million Dollar Earner in Real Estate) speaks with ... at one of the dozens of Evolv P.E.R.'s she hosts weekly in the MIchigan market! ... gifting real estate gifting rules gifting scams gifting stock ...
YouTube - Robert Dean Protege "I Love My New Life!" Nicole Jackson Speaks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HAFHv6GJDE) - Cached
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HAFHv6GJDE

Let's look at Nicole C. Jackson'd page:
http://www.nicolejackson.myevolv.com/index.asp?co_la=US_EN

Order Now Join Now Home
Nicole C. Jackson
Contact Me


We have an incredible growth strategy to build Evolv into a global success. I have built billion dollar companies before—this time, we get to do it together.

Join NowThank you,
Trey White - Chairman and Founder
I am Evolv

"Million Reasons to Evolv" Contest EvolvHealth, LLC is a direct sales company built to market an incredible product. Give, Share, Evolv. It’s our motto, but it’s also our philosophy. We act to make a difference in our own lives, the lives of the people around us, and the world through our product, financial freedom, and a commitment to philanthropy.

Archaea Active™ is the culmination of more than 15 years of scientific research and development. Our product, Evolv™, combines the Archaea Active™ formula with pure, high quality spring water. The formula has been found, through independent in vitro testing, to have a remarkable impact on the body, naturally enhancing cell performance, and increasing stamina, energy and endurance.

Executive Team
The foundation of success will always come through the core people who are driving the company. That’s why EvolvHealth founder, Trey White, says he first invests in people and then invests in products and technologies. Passion, integrity, honesty and a willingness to make it happen are the essential traits Trey identified and valued in each person that he hand-picked to be a member of EvolvHealth’s elite, executive team.

Give. Share. Evolv.
Gene Kaiser, the founder of the Archaea Active™ technology, believed the formula he invented to be his gift to the world. Our goal is to preserve his wishes and his legacy.


Our ProductScienceIngredientsWhat People Are SayingVideo TestimonialsVideo

Testimonials
What can the Evolv Product do for you? Listen to some of members and their stories about their experience with the Evolv product. The Evolv product looks like water, smells like water but it is NOT just water. The scientifically researched Archaea Active solution makes this a one of a kind product. As VP of Sales, Dr Anne Bodak Smith says "Change the label, improve the outcome".

Beverly L.
Beverly L., a Baby-boomer that talks about how it puts a pep in her step.

Peggy D.
Peggy D. talks about how the product impacted her and relieved joint discomfort.

Rod E.
Better sleep for Rod E., a Porsche Race Car Manufacture, says it makes all the difference in the world for him.

Dr. Lyndon McG.
Dr. McG. talks about how the product helped his 92 year old Dad after suffering a serious illness.

Larry S.
Heavy training doesn't have to wipe you out anymore. Larry S. shares how Evolv keeps his energy up.

Dr. Tanya B.
Tanya B., practicing Family Practitioner, shares her excitement with EvolvHealth products and the health benefits that people will receive just from using this product.
Our ProductWith over 15 years of scientific research and development behind its proprietary Archaea Active™ formula, Evolv water supports measurable and beneficial changes relating to the absorption of oxygen at the cellular level, and the promotion of a healthy anti-inflammatory response in the body.

Archaea Active™ is the name given to the proprietary, all-natural formula and its associated complex and involved manufacturing process as developed by Health2o Products, LLC. The formula’s developers believe Archaea Active™ initiates the production of cell signaling molecules. These molecules, present in the Evolv water at the picomolar level, stimulate other cells to communicate and respond.

Evolv is sold in cases of 24, 16.9 ounce bottles. The member and preferred customer price is $55 per case and the retail cost is $65 per case. A preferred customer is a customer that has elected to participate in our monthly AutoShip program.

Read our Environmental Statement
Printable Product Brochure
Archaea Active™ and Cellular O2 On Demand™ are trademarks of Health2o Products, LLC. FutureCeuticals® does not endorse the product. FutureCeuticals® is a registered trademark of VDF FutureCeuticals, Inc., used under license.
ScienceThe Decade of the Mitochondria

We all agree that when we drink Evolv we feel better. We also agree that we’d love for everyone we know to be drinking Evolv so they can feel better too. But how does Evolv work the way it does?

Those of you who attended the 2010 Summit will recognize John Hunter, VP and General Manager of FutureCeuticals, Inc., our product research and development partner currently researching multiple facets of the ArchaeaActive solution.

Ingredients
Natural, purified spring water
The water "base" of Evolv is bottled at the source in a remote section of Arkansas, at the edge of a national forest and far from any population center or agriculture. Even without the Archaea Active™ ingredients, we think you'll find it to be among the best tasting water you've ever experienced.

Alfalfa
Extracts of Alfalfa Leaves and Stems – Alfalfa is high in antioxidant and phyto-nutrient content. It may also support increased breast milk and reduce the normal symptomology of pre-menstrual syndrome. Alfalfa grass is a known phyto-estrogen, compound produced by plants that act like the hormones in the human body.

Milk Whey
Whey is an excellent source of protein, vitamins, minerals, and lactose. It is the base of many protein drinks to build or repair muscle tissues. Whey is an important supplement for those who have limited mobility in the limbs, as it contributes to the prevention of atrophy of muscular cells.

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"I have felt more energetic and have resumed many activities that I have not felt up to doing for the past couple of years. Thank you for allowing me to “test” this new product for your company. One concern…how can I obtain more of this incredible water!!!"

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"I was in the paint contracting business for 32 years. All those years of heavy lifting and climbing ladders, etc. really took their toll on my knees and shoulders. After only about 3 days of drinking Evolv my wife noticed I slept through the entire night and did not have any discomfort! She is very, very happy and I love feeling like a whole new man!"

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"Upon my first sip I felt the oxygen going through my body. All that day it was like I was in overdrive. I usually am kind of ho-hum and laid back kind of dragging. I took one bottle and that day a friend of mine (over the phone) said, 'Boy it sounds like you are in a good mood, what's up?' 'Nothing, it must be in the new water', it has me feeling so good more upbeat, I enjoyed that."

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How many Nicole Jacksons are realtors in Michigan?

State of Michigan says:

Name DBA Name License Type License Nbr Address Status Enforcement
Action
JACKSON, NICOLE A Real Estate Associate Broker 6502338433 Harper Woods, MI 48225 Active None
JACKSON, NICOLE A Real Estate Broker Individual 6504287589 Harper Woods, MI 48225 Active None
JACKSON, NICOLE A Real Estate Salesperson 6501287589 Harper Woods, MI 48225 Null And Void None
JACKSON, NICOLE CHARYSE Real Estate Associate Broker 6502342044 Detroit, MI 48207 Lapsed None
JACKSON, NICOLE CHARYSE Real Estate Broker Individual 6504258581 Farmington Hills, MI 48334 Lapsed None
JACKSON, NICOLE CHARYSE Real Estate Salesperson 6501258581 Detroit, MI 48207 Null And Void None

Well, there are two. The Nicole Charyse Jackson must be the Evolv rep who is making those ridiculous videos claiming:

Partnered with a Multi-Billionaire.

Potentially Millions of Dollars Weekly

Multi-Million Dollar Earner in Real Estate
Try Googling her as a realtor in Michigan. Her license is lapsed and she has very cleverly removed any evidence of her success from the internet!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
08-02-2010, 10:30 PM
Here is the real estate agency Nicole Jackson owned and presumably was the agency where she made the multi-millions she claimed to have made in real estate:

Searched for: ADVANTECH REALTY GROUP

ID Num: B1547E
Assumed Names


Name:ADVANTECH SOLUTIONS, LLC

Type: Domestic Limited Liability Company
Resident Agent: NICOLE JACKSON

Registered Office Address: 24236 CONGRESS NOVI MI 48075
Mailing/Office Address: 30095 NORTHWESTERN HWY #105 FARMINGTON HILLS MI 48334

Formation/Qualification Date:5-24-2002

Jurisdiction of Origin:MICHIGAN

Managed by: Members

Status: ACTIVE, BUT NOT IN GOOD STANDING AS OF 2-17-2009 Date: Present
Now, she is claiming all sorts of things with Evolv as evidenced by her youtube profile:

NicoleJacksonSpeaks Subscribe Edit subscription
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Channel Views:46Total Upload Views:0Age:35Joined:December 24, 2009Last Visit Date:1 month agoSubscribers:2Website:http://www.TheEvolutionWillBeLive.comAbout Me: Wow! Who knew that helping people earn unlimited income while promoting a healthy lifestyle could be so fun and stress-free! Evolv Health ~ markets archaea active and uses Mt. Ida Spring Water as the brilliant vehicle for the consumable enhanced water beverage company. Ground floor and Growing 450% according to MLM.com. Backed by multi-billionaire Trey White. Attracting network marketers, celebrities, professional athletes, superstar entertainers, top surgeons and seasoned professionals. Our TOPGUN team split $125 million dollars and created 23 millionaires and we're using this brilliant opportunity as our vehicle to earn millions, again! If I have piqued your interest...call or email me: EvolvLife@aol.com 313-629-6186 Country:United States
Let's see some documentation!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
08-03-2010, 10:19 AM
Dallas-Based Multi-Level Marketing Company Is in Hot Water With UT Board of Regents - Dallas News - Unfair Park (http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2009/11/dallas-based_multi-level_marke.php)

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Dallas-Based Multi-Level Marketing Company Is in Hot Water With UT Board of RegentsBy Robert Wilonsky, Thu., Nov. 19 2009 @ 8:36AM Comments (7) Categories: Crime
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​Back in January, a Dallas-based company that sells bottled water -- pardon, a "natural spring water ... created from all natural ingredients including extracts of alfalfa stems and leaves, milk whey and enzymes from pineapple and papaya" -- asked the University of Texas's M.D. Anderson Cancer Center if it wouldn't mind testing its magic potion. M.D. Anderson said sure ... for a price. Which is how Noel Road-based Evolv got M.D. Anderson to test the anti-inflammatory effects of its water -- specifically, the so-called "Archaea Active ingredients" that Evolv claims separate its water from, oh, regular water. Everyone agrees on that: Evolv (which is also known as HealtH20 or EvolvHealth), paid M.D. Anderson to test its some of its water, which, according to the hospital, ain't nothing but Houston tap water with some stuff in it.

What happened next, though, is what leads us to this federal lawsuit filed in Houston this week.

M.D. Anderson did its testing -- all very "preliminary" stuff, says the suit, and the cancer center never checked its "safety, efficacy, medicinal or beneficial health value." But Evolv -- which is a self-proclaimed "multi-level marketing company" that has the recruiting videos to prove it -- started running on its Web site statements like, "The Archaea Active formula has undergone in-vitro testing by The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center out of Houston." Which, as far as M.D. Anderson is concerned, gives people the impression that the cancer center has endorsed the product. And so, at 11:31 a.m. on September 9, its communications director posted a blog item that said, "There seems to be buzz on the Internet about a type of water that a Dallas-based company is marketing and this water's relationship to M. D. Anderson. So we thought we'd un-muddy the water for our patients, employees and supporters. M. D. Anderson doesn't recommend the water."

Two hours later, Evolv's chief marketing officer, Jonathan Gilliam, posted his response to M.D. Anderson's attempt at distancing from the bottled water: "MD Anderson and its employees do not endorse Evolv as they are precluded from endorsing any product using the MD Anderson name. Our test results are just that, and are not an endorsement or backing of M.D. Anderson. The Evolv management feels extremely blessed and fortunate that an institution the caliber of M.D. Anderson has tested our product."

But after that, Evolv didn't stop touting the fact its water was merely tested by M.D. Anderson -- even though it paid for the testing and even though, according to M.D. Anderson's spokeperson, "no efficacy or toxicity data were generated at M. D. Anderson nor was the product tested on humans." Far as the UT Board of Regents is concerned, Evolv's doing nothing more than using M.D. Anderson's name and rep to build a "pyramid," which is why it's taking Evolv to court for trademark violation and trademark dilution and damages.
The Dallas Observer and sister publication The Houston Press are fabulous. Their articles about scammy businesses are incredibly hilarious and very informative. How could anyone sign up for this deal after reading that???

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
08-03-2010, 08:47 PM
Kazza wrote:

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**** this.


Epic threads like this one
Creation vs Evolution (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=2062&page=63)
with over 3000 replies, have been fucked. I'm betting there is no way to undo the damage now. The ******* admin has done a search-and-replace through the whole god damn site.

Every thread on scam.com that had to do with renewable en.ergy or electricity or po.wer generation has become completely unreadable. Links have been broken, sentences don't make sense... Look at this:
scams - View Single Post - Quantum Mechanics (http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=385796&postcount=3)


Sojustask, please tell the admin that this is completely fucked. Either he finds a way to undo this ******* vandalisation of the site's history, or I'm out of here. I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Someone must have sent a threatening lawyer letter (real or fake makes no difference). Zachary / George caves to any silly threat he gets. So, now no one can post over there on Scam about Evolv. What kind of company or individual rep would be so desperate to hide the truth. Good thing realscam.com is here to continue to warn and inform the public as Scam is completely out of the scambusting business!

Soapboxmom

A Life Aloft
08-03-2010, 10:39 PM
You notice that, that is why 99% of MLMs (who claim to be making billions) never have publically traded stocks because they have to file financials that are open and available for the public to read and analyse. That was the beginning of the downfall of YTB when they did this. The vast majority of them just continue to lie their asses off about everything having to do with their operations, the number of reps, what the reps are making, how the money is made, how many make no money etc. It's just one wild claim after the next and never any real proof of anything. Yet people believe this crap. Amazing.

Unsaved Trash
08-04-2010, 12:06 AM
The vast majority of them just continue to lie their asses off about everything having to do with their operations, the number of reps, what the reps are making, how the money is made, how many make no money etc. It's just one wild claim after the next and never any real proof of anything. Yet people believe this crap. Amazing.

From as far back as I can remember, it was drilled into my head, "If it sounds too good to be true, it is." There are the gullible and then there are the stupid. Then there are the gullible and stupid. Those are what the MLMs go after. And it works too.

Ask them to back up their statements and claims in a MLM recruitment meeting. They cannot and they will not. Sort of like Iamwil can't and won't back up that his business is worth over 50K. That's because it isn't. And that list goes on with all of them. What amazes me the most is that the amount of brainwashing involved. Absolute stupidity.

Can Roscoe "Trey" White prove he's a billionaire? Of course not because he isn't. Does anyone stop him from making these claims? Does anyone stop the recruiters in Evolv from making their claims? Nope. So the lies continue and the profits at the top continue. The little morons below get screwed. And they deserve it.

Seriously?
08-04-2010, 05:07 PM
Ask them to back up their statements and claims in a MLM recruitment meeting. They cannot and they will not.

Well, not exactly. Most of the time they claim it's "illegal" for them to release that kind of info. Skirting the issue that it's only illegal if they can't back it up...

Soapboxmom
08-06-2010, 06:47 PM
Let's take a look at Trey White's companies. He is said by Evolvers to be a multi-billionaire.

Hoovers says:

Marlin Atlantis White Ltd Dallas, TX, United States $1.20M in sales


White Ventures, Ltd. Dallas, TX, United States $2.60M in sales

To that list we can add White Energy (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBNG40419720090508)

Trey White, aka Fred White III, aka Roscoe F. White III is not Warren Buffett or Donald Trump.

He was responsible for the homestore.com, which was a very successful company during the dot com bubble and then faced with a nose dive in the stock prices. Trey / Roscoe bailed out right before the dung hit the fan. There were several class action lawsuits and dishonest financial statements associated with that fiasco.

Since then, he’s run a number of different companies out of one office which must have one very confused receptionist to be sure.

Looking at the estimated annual sales for these companies as listed by Hoovers there isn't a snowball's chance in hell this clown Trey White is a billionaire, much less a multi-billionaire.

Those companies have employees to pay, rent, taxes, company insurance, business supplies, electric, phone, marketing, wining and dining clients and much more. After all that his companies can't be generating him much profit with those paltry sales figures.

And yet the tales of him being a multi-billioinaire persist. I am shocked Trey would continue this ridiculous scam with MD Anderson suing. It looks like lemmings over the cliff to me!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
08-07-2010, 09:25 AM
http://www.marlinatlantis.com/co_profiles_TreyWhite.html

Trey White
Chairman, Marlin Atlantis White

In his role as Chairman of Marlin Atlantis White, Mr. White guides the control and management of the companies’ interests in real property and real estate development. In addition to real estate investing, his philosophy is defined by investing in forward-thinking solutions with an eye toward technology and first to market advantages.
He was born a third-generation entrepreneur in Dallas. Understanding that being first to market is a huge advantage, he directed energy toward achievements that positioned him ahead of competitors in emerging markets. To date, he has placed capital of more than $1.5B into companies he founded or co-founded.

Mr. White co-founded NewHomeSearch, a revolutionary electronic real estate listing service for Realtors® and new home builders, gained 100% penetration in the Dallas market within two years of inception and grew to ten markets with an innovative client-server-based application, NewHomeSearch, renamed HomeBuilder.com in 1996, created the first Internet portal for searching real estate listings, quickly expanded to seventy-five markets and became the official Web site of the National Association of Homebuilders. Mr. White oversaw the merger of HomeBuilder.com with Realtor.com and participated in taking the two companies public as HomeStore.com, raised $800M in two offerings, drove stock to $160 per share and resulted in an $11B market cap at its peak.

In 2002 Mr. White began investing in multi-phased, single-family, residential developments and, in 2003, provided the start-up capital to form Marlin Atlantis. This new entity, under the direction of an outstanding management team, took advantage of low interest rates and strong residential housing markets in Texas. To date, Marlin Atlantis has entitled and/or developed eighteen residential communities, including five master-planned developments in major Texas markets. The enterprise has deployed more than $200M in capital and is one of the largest residential community developers in Texas, with more than 20,000 single family lots in inventory.

Also in 2003, Mr. White founded White Energy, a company funded to take advantage of the high cost of oil, reduce dependence on foreign oil, and reduce carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels by building destination, fuel-grade, ethanol plants. In 2005, White Energy received its air permit to build in Texas, the first new facility created a destination plant trend that continues today in Texas, California, New York, Colorado, Kansas and Florida. White Energy produces 250M gallons of ethanol in three facilities, is the fifth-largest US producer and the largest Texas producer of fuel grade ethanol. To date, White Energy has deployed over $500M into renewable energy investments.

Mr. White has created and pioneered markets using a best-of-breed management team methodology as he leads several organizations, charitable as well as for-profit, against which other companies and efforts are measured. His mental and physical cornerstones for success include surrounding himself with smart, experienced, respected individuals at the top of their industries. He and his associates possess the ability to take measured risks, cultivate instincts for emerging markets, and demonstrate the acute market-awareness necessary for properly timed exits. He considers these aspects of business acumen “simple rules for a complex world, instrumental in stacking odds toward the probability of success.”

Home | Our Company | Communities | Offerings | Contact Us | PRIVACY | DISCLAIMER | Web Sitemap
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Can Homestore restore its tarnished image and rebuild? - Free Online Library (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Can+Homestore+restore+its+tarnished+image+and+rebu ild%3F-a0143305466)

The article tells of the accounting scandal in 2001. Trey / Roscoe White talks of going into residential development in 2002. So, it appears he was bailing from homestore.com just as the dung hit the fan.

Homestore.com Class Action Settlement - Current Developments (http://www.homestoresettlement.com/current.shtml)

12/19/03: NOTICE OF OBJECTIONS filed by The Roscoe F. White Jr

I notice he fails to mention that White Energy imploded into bankruptcy (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBNG40419720090508) despite claims that he is a multi-billionaire.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
08-08-2010, 02:38 PM
Trey White is brazenly standing next to a rep that proudly proclaims that Trey is a multi-billionaire. I suggest every Evolv rep demand proof of that claim. Forbes and the reputable business magazines out there sure aren't aware of that fact.

Remember this:

The FTC also says:
Your Responsibilities
If you decide to become a distributor, you are legally responsible for the claims you make about the company, its product and the business opportunities it offers. That applies even if you're repeating claims you read in a company brochure or advertising flyer. The Federal Trade Commission advises you to verify the research behind any claims about a product's performance before repeating those claims to a potential customer.

In addition, if you solicit new distributors, you are responsible for the claims you make about a distributor's earnings potential. Be sure to represent the opportunity honestly and avoid making unrealistic promises. If those promises fall through, remember that you could be held liable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGQcGW5ZsB8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Dy-tTHTFE&feature=related

Now, Trey better not remove those. MD Anderson's attorneys and the cheerful judge are watching!

Soapboxmom

A Life Aloft
08-28-2010, 06:29 PM
What company in the real world would hire boneheads like this as salesman???

SoapboxmomAll the MLMs on the face of the planet? lol I've never seen anything different from one to another. Some are just slicker, present better and dress better. But the message is still the same. Lies, smoke and mirrors and b.s.

A Life Aloft
08-28-2010, 06:39 PM
I have a question.....White Ventures

estimated annual sales (not profit, sales) of $2.5M, which would require 400 years to become $1B
White Ventures, Ltd | Banking & Finance > Banking, Lending & Credit Services from AllBusiness.com (http://www.allbusiness.com/companyprofile/White_Ventures_Ltd/FFFD7DA1538CAEF743D1BC82DF3ECC0F-1.html)


estimated annual revenue less than half of white ventures, $1.1M, or 910 years to hit $1B
Marlin Atlantis White Ltd - Dallas, Texas (TX) | Company Profile (http://www.manta.com/c/mmgjll4/marlin-atlantis-white-ltd)

Also, employee estimates:

25 for white ventures; 12 for marlin atlantis white

What am I missing????

A Life Aloft
08-28-2010, 07:03 PM
Let's see here.....just thinking out loud......and doing some reading on the web......

They may be able to add oxygen to the water, but there’s still a natural limit to which the body will absorb oxygen. Especially of the source comes through the digestive system as opposed to the cardiovascular system. you don’t absorb oxygen into your system via your digestive tract. So unless people are inhaling this, how will it "work"?

Also, If they’re so rich, why do they still need to use this kind of distribution?
Why not set up big campaigns?
Why would they want to share their profit with you?
This seriously makes no sense.

I also found this about the use of oxygenating additives to food on the MD Anderson site. It’s about they have determined that it doesn’t work! From their site:

Oxidative enzymes in foods

Gerson proposed that tumor cells thrive in an environment depleted of oxygen, but can be destroyed when oxidative reactions occur that are catalyzed by oxidative enzymes. Accordingly, he promoted the concentrated intake of intact oxidative enzymes from fresh fruits and vegetable juices obtained through special (non centrifugal) juicers.

Green critiqued this theory of oxidative damage and cited a 1961 review that provided several lines of evidence that oxygen neither prevented nor inhibited cancer growth. He then noted subsequent research concerning damage to DNA as the culprit in the initiation, promotion and progression of cancer. He also doubted that oxidative enzymes within foods could have any effect on non-digestive tissues since they would normally be broken down into their component amino acids during digestion and not pass intact through the intestinal wall. Otherwise, he asserted, they would be likely to provoke an allergic response from the host.

In response, Gar Hildenbrand and Peter Lechner of the Gerson Research Organization said that they had already publicly acknowledged that the oxygen theory was out-of-date. They also disagreed with the statement that intact proteins would necessarily provoke immune responses if they passed through the intestinal wall.

CIMER - Gerson Detailed Scientific Review - MD Anderson Cancer Center (http://www.mdanderson.org/education-and-research/resources-for-professionals/clinical-tools-and-resources/cimer/therapies/nutrition-and-special-diets/gerson-scientific.html)

The article states that Oxygen neither prevented nor inhibited cancer growth.

what about a patent for this "water"? Hmmmm....I guess it's hard to get a patent on plain water.

So let's see if I have this Trey guy down....

It cures cancer! No.
MD Anderson developed it! No.
It is patented! No.
Trey owns a theme park! No.
Trey is proven to be a billionaire! No.
Was developed at MD Anderson! No.

I kinda liked this claim though:

“WATER is a beverage that combines our proprietary WATER formula with natural spring WATER to deliver the health benefits of hydration with increased stamina, energy and endurance."

I know if I don’t drink water I usually feel dehydrated and eventually pretty tired. lmao

Then of course as mentioned above:

“‘Evolv’ Water Is Snake Oil, Cancer Center Says
By CAMERON LANGFORD

“HOUSTON (CN) – Two companies are pushing bottled tap water with false claims that it’s endorsed by the MD Anderson Cancer Center, the University of Texas says in Federal Court. The UT says HealtH20 Products and Evolvehealth sell the bogus water it as “Evolv,” claiming it is infused with an “Archaea Active formula.”

“The Dallas-based companies falsely claim that the Anderson Center tested the water and endorsed it, the UT says. The MD Anderson Center is a leading cancer research institution. …

“The University of Texas wants an injunction, costs, and damages for trademark violations. It is represented by John Rawls with Bracewell and Giuliani.”

Courthouse News Service (http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/11/19/_Evolv_Water_Is_Snake_Oil_Cancer_Center_Says.htm)

Have I missed anything???

littleroundman
08-28-2010, 10:01 PM
What am I missing????

It's an MLM, which immediately cancels out any previous objections.

MLM = Automatically good

Soapboxmom
08-29-2010, 09:18 AM
Caprock Dev, LLC Business Relationships (http://www.corporationwiki.com/graphs/roamer.aspx?id=39262099)

White Ventures Energy, LLC Business Relationships (http://www.corporationwiki.com/graphs/roamer.aspx?id=36718939)


It is high time we check out multi-billionaire Roscoe Frederick (Trey White) and see just where these alleged multi-billions of dollars of which Forbes has no knowledge came from.

Soapboxmom

Doc Bunkum
08-29-2010, 09:38 AM
Evolv With Mika

http://comicstripclub.com/comics/2009-08-23%20Evolv%20with%20Mika.jpg

Soapboxmom
08-29-2010, 09:47 AM
Searching the names in those relationship charts linked above shows most of the LLCs listed don't even exist as viable businesses. They may be registered in Texas or Delaware, but searching Company Profiles & Company Information on Manta (http://www.manta.com) results in no hits. That suggest they are not active and generating any significant revenue. So, the question remains as to where the billions of dollars in Trey's name that qualify him and his reps to classify him as a multi-billionaire came from.

No doubt the FTC, SEC, Texas Attorney General's office and many other agencies will be responding to the many reports I and others have made. I am sure they will be able to pinpoint where these billions came from!

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
08-29-2010, 10:14 AM
Don't you just love the bit about being "trademarked" being touted all over the 'net as making "Archaea Active solution" something special.

Obviously the members of the Evolv MLM squad have never bothered to ask themselves what having a "trademark" actually means.

Here's the Australian definition



What is a Trade Mark? A trade mark can be a word, phrase, letter, number, sound, smell, shape, logo, picture, aspect of packaging or a combination of these. A trade mark can also protect your brand name.


It is used to distinguish the goods and services of one trader from those of another.


A registered trade mark gives you the legal right to use, license or sell it within Australia for the goods and services for which it is registered.
The difference between trade marks, business, company and domain names sometimes causes confusion. Registration of a business, company or domain name does not in itself give you any proprietary rights - only a trade mark can give you that kind of protection.
IP Australia : Trade Marks > What is a trade mark? (http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/what_index.shtml)

There you have it.

Doesn't have a bloody thing to do with the product itself.

A Life Aloft
08-29-2010, 12:32 PM
Who is Roscoe F. White? He is listed as an "officer" and tied to many of the "businesses" names on one of your links, Mom. Is he a relative?

Roscoe F White - Profile on CorporationWiki.com (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/roscoe-f-white/34689781.aspx)

I have never sen so many LLC's taken out in my life, by the same entities and many (not all) of them lead to nowhere. lol (inactive)

Deborah A Thomas.....same question...she is listed at the same address as Roscoe and ties to the same conpanies.

What is this lawsuit about? Security Pacific Credit Corp v. White Ventures Energy, LLC et al :: Justia Dockets & Filings (http://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/cacdce/2:2007cv03710/390083/)

The only reason I can see having so many LLCs and not Corporations is because of taxes, and shuffling of monies and tax write offs on "business" which are not really businesses and the liability is much smaller than with a legit Corporation. Something really strange about all of this. Funny there are no Corporations in all of this convoluted mess, just dozens and dozens of LLCs. For a quick breakdown of the difference between an LLC and a Corporation:


LLC owners report business income and losses on their personal tax returns.

An LLC is not a separate tax entity like a corporation; instead, it is what the IRS calls a "pass-through entity," like a partnership or sole proprietorship. All of the profits and losses of the LLC "pass through" the business to the LLC owners (called members), who report this information on their personal tax returns. The LLC itself does not pay federal income taxes, but some states impose an annual tax on LLCs.
Income Taxes

The IRS treats your LLC like a sole proprietorship or a partnership, depending on the number of members in your LLC. If you've already done business as a sole proprietorship or partnership, you're ahead of the game because you know many of the rules already. If not, here are the basics:
Single-Owner LLCs

The IRS treats one-member LLCs as sole proprietorships for tax purposes. This means that the LLC itself does not pay taxes and does not have to file a return with the IRS.

As the sole owner of your LLC, you must report all profits (or losses) of the LLC on Schedule C and submit it with your 1040 tax return. Even if you leave profits in the company's bank account at the end of the year -- for instance, to cover future expenses or expand the business -- you must pay income tax on that money.
Multi-Owner LLCs

The IRS treats co-owned LLCs as partnerships for tax purposes. Like one-member LLCs, co-owned LLCs do not pay taxes on business income; instead, the LLC owners each pay taxes on their lawful share of the profits on their personal income tax returns (with Schedule E attached). Each LLC member's share of profits and losses, called a distributive share, should be set out in the LLC operating agreement.

Plus an LLC, unlike a Corporation allows you to limite your liability and cover your ass. Hmmmmm

A Limited Liability Company (LLC) is a business structure allowed by state statute. LLCs are popular because, similar to a corporation, owners have limited personal liability for the debts and actions of the LLC. Other features of LLCs are more like a partnership, providing management flexibility and the benefit of pass-through taxation.

Owners of an LLC are called members. Since most states do not restrict ownership, members may include individuals, corporations, other LLCs and foreign entities. There is no maximum number of members. Most states also permit “single member” LLCs, those having only one owner.

A few types of businesses generally cannot be LLCs, such as banks and insurance companies. Check your state’s requirements and the federal tax regulations for further information. There are special rules for foreign LLCs.

The federal government does not recognize an LLC as a classification for federal tax purposes. An LLC business entity must file as a corporation, partnership or sole proprietorship tax return.



Where's Wserra??? lol

A Life Aloft
08-29-2010, 12:35 PM
Don't you just love the bit about being "trademarked" being touted all over the 'net as making "Archaea Active solution" something special.

Obviously the members of the Evolv MLM squad have never bothered to ask themselves what having a "trademark" actually means.

Here's the Australian definition

IP Australia : Trade Marks > What is a trade mark? (http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/what_index.shtml)

There you have it.

Doesn't have a bloody thing to do with the product itself.This is much the same here, LTM and an excellent point. Here is the definition in the US:

A trademark includes any word, name, symbol, or device, or any combination, used, or intended to be used, in commerce to identify and distinguish the goods of one manufacturer or seller from goods manufactured or sold by others, and to indicate the source of the goods. In short, a trademark is a brand name. That's it.

I can still find no Patent for this product either. Hmmmmmmm

A Life Aloft
08-29-2010, 12:39 PM
Doc.....what is with the "cartoon" and the homophobic slurs????? Where did this come from?

A Life Aloft
08-29-2010, 12:43 PM
Is Roscoe F. White actually Trey??? Brother, this thing is more complicated than a Chinese puzzle box. lol

A Life Aloft
08-29-2010, 12:48 PM
Found this on the Cartoon Network:

Let’s look at this from a business perspective…

Cons:

1) Miracle cure – miracle cures make up 99% of cons throughout the history of humankind
2) MLM structure to sales – MLM structures are used in many cons (not quite 99% but a significant amount)
3) Lab involved in testing is suing for misrepresentation
4) CEO claims to be a billionaire, isn’t.
5) Labelling ripped off from another product
6) CEO involved in company which had CEO jailed for, among a string of other things, artifically inflating revenue. CEO of evolve actually lists involvment in this company in his CV as if it’s something to be proud of.
7) CEO claims to have companies making tons of cash, doesn’t.

Pros…

1) Friend said it made him/her feel ‘more energetic’.

Rather amusing......and apparently the truth.

littleroundman
08-29-2010, 12:50 PM
I can still find no Patent for this product either. Hmmmmmmm

And if you COULD find a patent for "Archaea Active solution" then what ???

Holding a "patent" only means no one else can produce and/or market "Archaea Active solution"

It does NOT mean "Archaea Active solution" does what Evolv claims it does.

It does NOT mean the US Government has tested the product.

Here is a product holding a US patent:

http://www.crazypatents.com/images/Large/5971829.jpg

So,

now Evolv has 2 problems:

1) No one can find the relevant patent

2) Even IF there is a patent, so-bloody-what ??

Who on earth would want to steal the idea anyway, other than another bunch of fraudsters ???

A Life Aloft
08-29-2010, 12:59 PM
The only reason that I was looking for a patent (and I realize what a patent is) is that I keep seeing many of the touters of this crap saying it has a "patent", but I cannot find one.

Doc Bunkum
08-29-2010, 01:59 PM
Doc.....what is with the "cartoon" and the homophobic slurs????? Where did this come from?

I'm still scratching my head over that one myself.

The dude that fancies himself a cartoonist is also a Evolv distributor - but still puts the product down - I think he is anyhow.

ComicStripClub.com » Archive » Evolv With Mika (http://comicstripclub.com/?p=201)

As he explains it...


I’m going to try to get some info to you folks in the form of a hopefully funny comic series, yes, all focused around EVOLV. Shameless pitchman, am I! But it’s a fantastic product and opportunity with stellar research and amazingly successful business minds behind it.

Don’t wait for me to give you all the info, sign up, it’s no cost to pre-enroll, and you can read through the FAQ and get all the info before you make any decisions to join come October when the first bottles start to ship! Pre-enroll now!

So don't blame me - he's the one that thinks "homophobic slurs" are hopefully funny. :RpS_cursing:

Soapboxmom
08-29-2010, 02:23 PM
13455 Noel Rd Lbby Dallas, TX 75240 (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/13455-Noel-Rd-Lbby-Dallas-TX-75240-a3826636.aspx)

There are gobs of LLCs at that same address that Roscoe / Trey has his name or that of his close associate, John D. Marlin such as:

Entertainment Ventures, LLC Company Profile - Located in Dallas, TX - Deborah A Thomas, James R Baker, John D Marlin, Roscoe F White (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/entertainment-ventures-llc/38064270.aspx)

Eq Ventures Gp, LLC Company Profile - Located in Dallas, TX - Deborah A Thomas, James R Baker, John D Marlin, Roscoe F White (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/eq-ventures-gp-llc/38064252.aspx)

Forefront Consultants, LLC Company Profile - Located in Dallas, TX - John D Marlin (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/forefront-consultants-llc/37245839.aspx)

Global Earthquest Ventures, Lp Company Profile - Located in Dallas, TX - Eq Ventures Gp, LLC (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/global-earthquest-ventures-lp/38082493.aspx)

Jdmarlin Real Estate, LLC Company Profile - Located in Dallas, TX - John D Marlin (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/jdmarlin-real-estate-llc/37395841.aspx)

Ma Annuity, LLC Company Profile - Located in Dallas, TX - Deborah A Thomas, James R Baker, John D Marlin, Roscoe F White (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/ma-annuity-llc/38070020.aspx)

Ma Boerne Partners Holdings, LLC Company Profile - Located in Dallas, TX - Wv Holdings LLC, Jdmarlin Real Estate, LLC, Deborah A Thomas, John D Marlin (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/ma-boerne-partners-holdings-llc/37404472.aspx)

Ma Boerne Partners, Lp Company Profile - Located in Dallas, TX - Ma Boerne Partners Holdings, LLC (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/ma-boerne-partners-lp/37404485.aspx)

Ma-Bp Holdings, LLC Company Profile - Located in Dallas, TX - Wv Holdings LLC, Jdmarlin Real Estate, LLC, Deborah A Thomas, John D Marlin (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/ma-bp-holdings-llc/37404488.aspx)

Masl, LLC Company Profile - Located in Dallas, TX - Deborah A Thomas, John D Marlin (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/masl-llc/37981793.aspx)

Sedona Lakes Homeowners' Association Company Profile - Located in Dallas, TX - John D Marlin, Neal Heckel, Steve Maglisceau (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/sedona-lakes-homeowners-association/37951758.aspx)

Wv Holdings LLC Company Profile - Located in Dallas, TX (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Dallas/wv-holdings-llc/36614394.aspx)

There was also a Scandirect at that same address years ago.

I sure as heck don't see the deal that garnered anyone billions of dollars.

Soapboxmom

A Life Aloft
08-29-2010, 02:36 PM
I'm still scratching my head over that one myself.

The dude that fancies himself a cartoonist is also a Evolv distributor - but still puts the product down - I think he is anyhow.

ComicStripClub.com » Archive » Evolv With Mika (http://comicstripclub.com/?p=201)

As he explains it...



So don't blame me - he's the one that thinks "homophobic slurs" are hopefully funny. :RpS_cursing:Wow! I have been looking at that site and copied and pasted some things from it above, but never saw that. That is really disturbing and not the least bit funny. What kinda of "distributors" does this company have? They don't have guidelines of what they can post on the net obviously. He actually thinks that this kind of bigoted, sick mentality is going to entice people to sign up under him? What a complete an utter asshole. He needs to be kicked in the nuts......preferably by a six foot two drag queen just to drive the message home.

I see he posted this under the "cartoon":

Don’t wait for me to give you all the info, sign up, it’s no cost to pre-enroll, and you can read through the FAQ and get all the info before you make any decisions to join come October when the first bottles start to ship! Pre-enroll now! http://underdog.myevolv.biz/index.asp

Brother. Great company and great distributors. And look what Happy Christian is promoting Trey.....

Jack Weinzierl | Evolv | Evolv Health (http://jackweinzierl.com/)

Onward Christian Soldiers. Cripes!

A Life Aloft
08-29-2010, 02:39 PM
There are gobs of LLCs at that same address that Roscoe / Trey has his name or that of his close associate, John D. Marlin such as:
Soapboxmom
So Trey is really Roscoe??? Why the name change???? WTF is that all about?

Doc Bunkum
08-29-2010, 03:13 PM
Wow! I have been looking at that site and copied and pasted some things from it above, but never saw that.

Did you catch this "explanation" (http://comicstripclub.com/?p=192) of what Evolv is?


Basically, it’s water. Not just ‘water’ water, but a water that has developed for I think about 15 years at MD Anderson (world famous for cancer research, google it), that is processed in such a way as to oxygenate your system. Not like these phony ‘oxygen water’s you find at Whole Foods or Amway (Quixtar, sorry… lol)… but the process actually allows your cells to oxygenate themselves.

15 years in development at MD Anderson, you say?

Hmmm....

Unsaved Trash
08-29-2010, 03:33 PM
So Trey is really Roscoe??? Why the name change???? WTF is that all about?

Doesn't "Trey" sound a little better than Roscoe? Here is a little bit more:


Chris December 7, 2009 at 7:52 pm

I don’t think any of the criticisms people are making here are particularly unique to the concept of MLMs. There are established and legitimate MLMs out there that, assuming you understand the nature of the business, it’d be reasonable to invest in.

Comparing someone at the bottom of the chain to Warren Buffett/Berkshire Hathaway purchasing Pampered Chef is willfully obtuse, though. And yes, Donald Trump has a string of failures and bankruptcies behind him that would make me dubious about sinking my money into his venture as well.

But again, none of this has to do with the actual criticisms people have been making.

Trey White, aka Fred White III, aka Roscoe F. White III is not Warren Buffett. He’s not Donald Trump.

He’s a guy who (alongside his dad) set up homestore.com, which was a big successful company during the dot com bubble and then fizzled into very little in the midst of plummeting stock prices, DOJ investigations, class action lawsuits, misleading financial statements and etc.

Since then, he’s run a number of different companies out of one office, the only one of them that shows up often in third-party sources is White Energy, which as you’ve acknowledged, went bankrupt.

Trey White and Evolv have done a great deal of work to make sure that their sites (or link to their sites, or postings made to point to their sites) are the only things that show up on web searches. Once you get beyond those self-generated hype pieces, there’s almost nothing about White or any of his companies online. There’s no independent verification of just about any of his claims, and when third parties chime in, they are generally — like MD Anderson — contesting White’s claims.

These would all be red flags if he wasn’t running an MLM too. As would the patently absurd claims made about the product.

ComicStripClub.com » Archive » Red Eye (http://comicstripclub.com/?p=225&cpage=6)

Whip
08-29-2010, 04:11 PM
Wow! I have been looking at that site and copied and pasted some things from it above, but never saw that. That is really disturbing and not the least bit funny. What kinda of "distributors" does this company have? They don't have guidelines of what they can post on the net obviously. He actually thinks that this kind of bigoted, sick mentality is going to entice people to sign up under him? What a complete an utter asshole. He needs to be kicked in the nuts......preferably by a six foot two drag queen just to drive the message home.

I see he posted this under the "cartoon":

Don’t wait for me to give you all the info, sign up, it’s no cost to pre-enroll, and you can read through the FAQ and get all the info before you make any decisions to join come October when the first bottles start to ship! Pre-enroll now! http://underdog.myevolv.biz/index.asp

Brother. Great company and great distributors. And look what Happy Christian is promoting Trey.....

Jack Weinzierl | Evolv | Evolv Health (http://jackweinzierl.com/)

Onward Christian Soldiers. Cripes!

I'm equally baffled by the drawing of the Asian type fellow.

A Life Aloft
08-29-2010, 05:32 PM
Doesn't "Trey" sound a little better than Roscoe? Here is a little bit more:

Trey White, aka Fred White III, aka Roscoe F. White III ......He’s a guy who (alongside his dad) set up homestore.com, which was a big successful company during the dot com bubble and then fizzled into very little in the midst of plummeting stock prices, DOJ investigations, class action lawsuits, misleading financial statements and etc.

Since then, he’s run a number of different companies out of one office, the only one of them that shows up often in third-party sources is White Energy, which as you’ve acknowledged, went bankrupt.

Trey White and Evolv have done a great deal of work to make sure that their sites (or link to their sites, or postings made to point to their sites) are the only things that show up on web searches. Once you get beyond those self-generated hype pieces, there’s almost nothing about White or any of his companies online. There’s no independent verification of just about any of his claims, and when third parties chime in, they are generally — like MD Anderson — contesting White’s claims.

ComicStripClub.com » Archive » Red Eye (http://comicstripclub.com/?p=225&cpage=6)He's also known as Fred??? ROTFL!! Seriously?? Good Grief!!! lmao Interesting info about his business past also. Really interesting. These people have bullshit down to an exact science don't they? I think I'll change my name to Lance or Dalton or Biff or something now. Gerry just doesn't cut it anymore. lol

A Life Aloft
08-29-2010, 05:50 PM
Ouch.....

"We shouldn't be trying to create an image with folks that are patients or family members that are patients that there is some endorsement when there's not," said Dan Fontaine, a senior vice president for business affairs at M.D. Anderson. "That's just not right."

The University of Texas regents and M.D. Anderson are suing Evolv and HealtH20, the manufacturer of the water. The lawsuit claims the companies are misusing the M.D. Anderson name and misleading consumers.

"Our greatest concern is that people may be confused to what our role actually was," Fontaine said.

M.D. Anderson's federal lawsuit claims Evolv is "basically city of Houston tap water that has been infused with HealtH20's Archea Active formula."

The cancer center says it was paid to perform preliminary tests for the water, but that's it.

M.D. Anderson says no human tests were done and there's no endorsement.

"The absolute main concern is the possibility of confusion on the part of patients who are vulnerable because of the situation they find themselves in and the suggestion somehow, or the inference, or the implication that M.D. Anderson is endorsing this product," Fontaine said.

But it's not just what's on the bottle that has M.D. Anderson concerned.

Evolv is being sold by what the M.D. Anderson lawsuit calls "pyramid-based sales people."

Evolv already has thousands of independent distributors who've signed up to sell the water. And we've found many of those sellers are using the M.D. Anderson name, too.

From Facebook to Twitter, and Web site to Web site, we found claims like this one -- Evolv is a "product backed by by 15 years of research at M.D. Anderson" and "learn about the dramatic research just completed by M.D. Anderson."

"Not all patients are going to see the disclaimer," Fontaine said. "Not all patients are going to see what was originally said. They may be reading material that's 15 or 16 steps down the line."

M. D. Anderson wants all use of its name stopped.

M.D. Anderson Sues Over Water - Houston News Story - KPRC Houston (http://www.click2houston.com/news/22524828/detail.html)

littleroundman
08-29-2010, 05:54 PM
These people have bullshit down to an exact science don't they?

And that is the bottom line.

It IS a "science"

A "science" many years in the making.

A "science" where every word and every "fact" is strategically considered before it is used.

And a "science" where millions of dollars are at stake.

littleroundman
08-29-2010, 09:52 PM
The only reason that I was looking for a patent (and I realize what a patent is) is that I keep seeing many of the touters of this crap saying it has a "patent", but I cannot find one.

Exactly as anyone interested in doing true "due diligence" should.

It is now incumbent on Evolv to:

a) Prove the existence of a patent
b) prove any such patented product does as is claimed
c) prove the patent relates directly to Archaea Active solution" and not just an abstract concept
d) demonstrate the patent is any more useful than the above patent for a "motorized ice cream cone"

Unsaved Trash
08-30-2010, 12:10 AM
Brother. Great company and great distributors. And look what Happy Christian is promoting Trey.....

Jack Weinzierl | Evolv | Evolv Health (http://jackweinzierl.com/)

Onward Christian Soldiers. Cripes!

Don't be such a god damned skeptic. Jack has made millions and will with Evolv too. I mean, listen up...he's got his Vision 2020 and.....
Stephanie and I are focused on helping 100 Families (one family at a time) with their mortgage in our Vision 2020. Over the next 10 years, are we are committed to helping 100 families to be able to not only create an Evolv business that can pay their monthly mortgage payment, but potentially pay off their mortgage.

Didn't I read a similar line with another scam outfit (Eiro) you quit? Why yes, yes I did:


Because I am passionate about nutrition and I am committed to helping 100 people lose 2,000 lbs in 8 weeks.

All content is the responsibility of Jack Weinzierl.

EIROfit Day 1 for Jack Weinzierl | Jack Weinzierl | Evolv | Evolv Health (http://jackweinzierl.com/eirofit-day-1-for-jack-weinzierl/)

Jack, the Baby Jesus is crying again. You know, I think you also said that when you were with WorldVultures. Now that you've lost your dream house, then your rented house, and now are in another one, I think the next step might be for you to get a trailer in Plano. With those few recruits you suckered in WorldVentures, maybe they'll let you park it in their lot for a reduced fee. Oops Jack, it looks like you removed your video but here's your mug on the cache: WorldVentures Team Message hosted by Jack Weinzierl by Texas Real Estate Video Blog (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:a17Nhrbk35sJ:texas-real-estate.youritpro.info/5204/worldventures-team-message/+jack+weinzierl+worldventures&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera)

Unsaved Trash
08-30-2010, 12:19 AM
You can watch Jack's pitch here. Pretty funny crap.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqRxy5SqXrw

Soapboxmom
08-30-2010, 02:50 PM
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Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
08-31-2010, 08:59 AM
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The time is now! So far we are signing up 1 to 2 people a week! We're actively working on a list that we have on a whiteboard at our home.

Remember this: we are at the beginning of something great! If you don't enroll the people that you meet, someone else might and that someone might not be in your downline!

You can do this. Your upline believes in you. If you don't believe us, just ask them how much they believe in you. You might be surprised at how confident they are in YOUR ability to make YOUR dreams come true.

About Us (http://www.willyouevolv.com/Will_You_Evolv/About_Us.html)
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Boy, does your upline believe. Give testimonials that the company could never give making totally unfounded medical claims and the upline and company make a bundle. The nut telling these tales will probably lose their shirt, but these tales sell these bogus products and allow the company to feign innocence when the authorities and downline realize what is going on and the legal challenges begin. Pretty brave putting their real names in the contact information after that Blog!

Remember:
The FTC says:

Your Responsibilities
If you decide to become a distributor, you are legally responsible for the claims you make about the company, its product and the business opportunities it offers. That applies even if you're repeating claims you read in a company brochure or advertising flyer. The Federal Trade Commission advises you to verify the research behind any claims about a product's performance before repeating those claims to a potential customer.


Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-06-2010, 05:28 PM
September Kick-Off Call Recap | EvolvHealth Corporate Blog (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/2010/09/september-kick-off-call-recap/)





Some of the highlights included:

Trey announced Evolv will officially be open for business in Mexico September 8th.
The Evolv Mexico Launch Event will be on October 2nd with keynote speaker Former Mexican President Vicente Fox

How much did Roscoe / Trey White pay Fox to sell his economically challenged country down the river (of zero water). Vicente Fox is probably lining his pockets with exponontially more $$$$$ than many families combined earn yearly as he pushes folks into a business with a 97 - 99% loss rate. How low can one go!

Evolv is hardly the answer to the serious water related issues in Mexico. Water supply and sanitation in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Mexico) Americans are spreading the MLM scurge and lining their pockets at the expense of desperate people. Hardly Christian, now is it???

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-12-2010, 09:32 PM
I have another very helpful little birdie dropping things in my box. Someone else has been seriously researching Trey / Roscoe Frederick White III.

The Power Of Seeing His Past: Trey White & Evolv Health - Trey White, Evolv, billionaire (http://www.pubarticles.com/article-the-power-of-seeing-his-past-trey-white-evolv-health-1284324616.html)

I have dug up quite a bit on that character, but there is much more to the story and I will need to do some extensive searches in the Dallas County records. I can't wait to see how the Evolvers try to spin all of this.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-13-2010, 09:31 AM
NAME
DPS NUMBER
SEX
RACE
DATE OF BIRTH
CCH
SOR
NBF
WHITE,ROSCOE F III
03501841
MALE
WHITE
05/09/1967
VIEW (https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/DPS_WEB/Cch/Application/Batch/individual.aspx?BatchID=1447431&SearchID=5957232&IND_IDN=7445772#SID-5957232-7445772)






WHITE,ROSCOE F III (SID: 03501841)

SEX
RACE
ETHNICITY
HEIGHT
WEIGHT
EYES
HAIR COLOR
DL NUMBER
FBI#
DLU
MALE
WHITE

602
185
BLUE
Blond or Strawberry


12/8/2005
NAMES
WHITE,ROSCOE F III (Primary)
WHITE,ROSCOE F
WHITE,ROSCOE FREDERICK
BIRTHDATES
05/09/1967 (Primary)

Arrest Summary (TRN)
DATE OF ARREST
SEQUENCE CODE
TRACKING NUMBER
AGENCY DESCRIPTION
11/06/1996
A
9002966768
HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT
View (https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/DPS_WEB/Cch/Application/Batch/individual.aspx?BatchID=1447431&SearchID=5957232&IND_IDN=7445772#TRN-5957232-7367660)

Arrest Date: 11/06/1996


Arrest Summary (https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/DPS_WEB/Cch/Application/Batch/individual.aspx?BatchID=1447431&SearchID=5957232&IND_IDN=7445772#TRN-SUMMARY)

DATE OF ARREST
11/06/1996

SEQUENCE CODE
A

TRACKING NUMBER
9002966768

AGENCY DESCRIPTION
TXHPD0000 ( HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT )



CHARGE

TRACKING SUFFIX
A001



OFFENSE DETAIL

INTERNAL AGENCY CASE NUMBER
127271396

ARREST OFFENSE
13990001 ( ASSAULT CAUSES BODILY INJ )

ARREST OFFENSE CITATION
22.01(A)(1)

LEVEL AND DEGREE OF OFFENSE
MA ( MISDEMEANOR - CLASS A )

DATE OF OFFENSE
09/29/1996

ARREST DISPOSITION
206 ( BAIL/RELEASED ON OWN RECOGNIZANCE )

ARREST DISPOSITION DATE
11/06/1996

PROSECUTOR ORI REFERRED TO
TX101015A ( DISTRICT ATTORNEYS OFFICE HOUSTON )



PROSECUTION DETAIL

AGENCY DESCRIPTION
TX101015A ( DISTRICT ATTORNEYS OFFICE HOUSTON )

PROSECUTOR ACTION FIELD
A ( PROSECUTOR ACCEPTS THE CHARGE )

PROSECUTOR OFFENSE
13990001 ( ASSAULT CAUSES BODILY INJ )

PROSECUTOR OFFENSE CITATION
22.01(A)(1)

LEVEL AND DEGREE PROSECUTED
MA ( MISDEMEANOR - CLASS A )



COURT STATUS

COURT SEQUENCE
a

AGENCY DESCRIPTION
TX101393J ( COUNTY CRIMINAL COURT AT LAW NO 9 HOUSTON )

COURT OFFENSE
13990001 ( ASSAULT CAUSES BODILY INJ )

CITATION
22.01(A)(1)

LEVEL AND DEGREE OFFENSE
MA ( MISDEMEANOR - CLASS A )

COURT DISPOSITION
310 ( CONVICTED )

COURT DISPOSITION DATE
02/07/1997

DATE OF SENTENCE/STATUS
02/07/1997

CAUSE NUMBER
964311301010

FINAL PLEADING
C ( NO CONTEST OR NOLO CONTENDERE )

COURT CONFINEMENT
4D

COURT FINE
400

AGENCY RECEIVING CUSTODY
TX1010000

MULTIPLE SENTENCES CODE
CC ( CONCURRENT )

Soapboxmom
09-13-2010, 12:16 PM
A Fred / Roscoe White Jr. (Trey / Roscoe Frederick White III's dad) is mentioned in the SEC filing (http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1085770/0000944209-99-000909.txt)relating to taking the homestore.com public. It got him tangled up in this lawsuit which is referenced therein.


Case Information Summary for Case Number
1999-CH-04265
Filing Date: 3/19/1999Case Type: GENERAL CHANCERY Division: Chancery DivisionDistrict: First Municipal Ad Damnum: $0.00Calendar: 01


Party Information
Plaintiff(s)Attorney(s)MOLINARE JOHN DJOHNSON BELL LTD
33 W MONROE#2700
CHICAGO IL, 60603
(312) 372-0770

Date of ServiceDefendant(s)Attorney(s)NETSELECT INC
MULTISEARCH SOLUTIONS INC
NEW LIST CORPORATION
NATIONAL NEW HOMES CORP
WHITE JR ROSCOE F


Case Activity
Activity Date: 3/19/1999Participant: MOLINARE JOHN DGENERAL CHANCERY FILED (JURY DEMAND) Court Fee: 420.00Attorney: JOHNSON BELL LTD
Activity Date: 3/19/1999Participant: MOLINARE JOHN DCASE SET ON CASE MANAGEMENT CALL Date: 9/21/1999Court Time: 0915Court Room: 2510Judge: GETTY, MICHAEL B.Microfilm: CH000000000
Activity Date: 8/18/1999Participant: MOLINARE JOHNCASE MGMT CALL NOTICE MAILED Date: 9/21/1999Court Time: 0915Court Room: 2510Judge: GETTY, MICHAEL B.
Activity Date: 9/21/1999Participant: MOLINARE JOHN DGENERAL CHANCERY - DISMISSED FOR WANT OF PROSECUTION Court Room: 2510Judge: GETTY, MICHAEL B.Microfilm: CH990451856

Soapboxmom
09-13-2010, 12:20 PM
The Opportunity (http://www.willyouevolv.com/Will_You_Evolv/The_Opportunity.html)


The Evolv Story

So what about our company? Our company is led by Trey White; he is a venture capitalist out of Dallas, Texas. He made his first mark on the business community back in the 90’s when he founded HomeBuilder.com (http://homebuilder.com/). Now he merged that with Realtor.com (http://realtor.com/) and took it public from HomeStore.com (http://homestore.com/) with a $10 Billion dollar market cap — a pretty good day at the office! That led the way to Marlin Atlantis, which is 3rd largest residential land development company in the state of Texas with over 20,000 properties. Now that gave Trey the ability to invest $500 Million to create the 4th largest ethanol manufacturing facility in the country. So how did he do this? Trey has got the unique ability to spot the “disruptive technology” then align himself with the best of breed in management. And he has done exactly that with Evolv.


The SEC filing (http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1085770/0000944209-99-000909.txt)about that is quite interesting. We can paly a rousing game of where is that White --- Trey / Roscoe Frederick White III.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-13-2010, 02:05 PM
Agreement and Plan of Reorganization - NetSelect Inc., National New Homes Co.... (http://contracts.corporate.findlaw.com/planning/merger/3584.html)



THIS AGREEMENT AND PLAN OF REORGANIZATION (this "Agreement") is made and
entered into as of June 20, 1998 (the "Effective Date") by and among NETSELECT,
INC., a Delaware corporation ("NetSelect"), NATIONAL NEW HOMES CO, INC., a
Delaware corporation and a wholly-owned subsidiary of NetSelect ("NNH"),
MULTISEARCH SOLUTIONS, INC., a Texas corporation, and FRED WHITE, an individual,
and R. FRED WHITE III (TREY), an individual (collectively, the "Shareholders")....


2. PLAN OF REORGANIZATION

2.1 The Merger. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement and
----------
the Agreement of Merger, MSS shall be merged with and into NNH in accordance
with the applicable provisions of the laws of the States of Delaware and Texas
and with the terms and conditions of this Agreement and the Agreement of Merger,
so that:

(a) At the Effective Time (as defined below), MSS shall be merged with
and into NNH. As a result of the Merger, the separate corporate existence of
MSS shall cease and NNH shall continue as the surviving corporation (sometimes
referred to herein as the "Surviving Corporation") and shall succeed to and
assume all of the rights and obligations of MSS in accordance with the laws of
Delaware.....

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereto have executed this Agreement as of
the date first above written.

NETSELECT, INC. MULTISEARCH SYSTEMS, INC.
a Delaware corporation a Texas corporation



By: /s/ Stuart Wolff By: /s/ Fred White
----------------------------------- -------------------------------
Stuart Wolff Fred White, President
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer


NATIONAL NEW HOMES CO, INC. SHAREHOLDERS
a Delaware corporation
FRED WHITE


By: /s/ Stuart Wolff /s/ Fred White
---------------------------------- ----------------------------------
Stuart Wolff Fred White, individually
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

R. FRED WHITE III (TREY)

/s/ R. Fred White III
----------------------------------
R. Fred White III, individually



So Trey White is nothing more than a shareholder in his dad's stuff. That hardly makes him the guy that took the Homestore.com public. The whole sordid mess ended up in the hands of Stuart Wolff who is now in prison.

Wolff sentenced to 4.5 years in prison | Inman News (http://www.inman.com/news/2010/04/19/wolff-sentenced-45-years-in-prison)



Former Homestore.com chairman and CEO Stuart Wolff was sentenced to 4 1/2 years in prison Monday after a judge rejected a plea by his lawyers for a lighter sentence.
A plea agreement Wolff signed in January called for him to spend between three and five years in prison for his role in a scheme that artificially inflated Homestore's revenue in 2001. Wolff pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit securities fraud.
Wolff's attorneys maintained that he should receive the lightest possible sentence possible under the agreement because he signed off on the scheme but did not initiate it.
Homestore, which operates Realtor.com, rebranded as Move Inc. after other top executives were convicted of engineering circular advertising deals that the company later admitted inflated the company's revenue by nearly $200 million.
In sentencing Wolff, U.S. District Judge Gary Feess said the Homestore scheme caused "widespread injury to untold numbers of people in the stock market," and was a "calculated deception of the public."
Former Homestore executive vice president Peter Tafeen was previously sentenced to 27 months in prison; former Homestore chief operating officer John Giesecke received 12 months; and chief financial officer Joseph Shew 6 months.
Before Monday's sentencing hearing, Wolff's attorneys argued that he was merely in a position to "green light" the fraud, while Tafeen was "the admitted master-mind and architect of the scheme" and Shew "the day-to-day implementer."
Prosecutors said the relatively lenient sentences handed down to Shew, Giesecke, and Tafeen reflected their willingness to cooperate with the government in efforts to prosecute Wolff and others. Shew and Giesecke, they noted, entered guilty pleas and accepted responsibility for their actions eight years ago.
A total of 11 defendants had previously been convicted in the case, including executives at companies that participated in the circular advertising deals that helped Homestore inflate its earnings.
At a previous trial in 2006, Wolff, now 46, was convicted of more than a dozen criminal charges and sentenced to 15 years in prison.
An appeals court reversed the conviction, saying the judge presiding over the trial should have recused himself because he owned stock in America Online, one of the companies that allegedly served as third-party intermediaries in the circular advertising deals.
In the leadup to Wolff's retrial, his new defense team claimed it had uncovered evidence that employees of Homestore's accounting firm, PricewaterhouseCoopers, modified or destroyed evidence in the case.
The accounting firm has said its employees "complied with professional standards," but prosecutors acknowledged "inconsistencies" in statements by the accounting firm and dropped four counts of the 23-count indictment pending against him (see story (http://www.inman.com/news/2010/01/7/stuart-wolff-retrial-set-begin-jan-26)).
The eight-year investigation and legal battles have "been draining emotionally and physically and will almost if not entirely wipe (Wolff) out financially," his attorneys said in a March 31 filing (http://cache.inman.com/files/stories/DOC_1014_WOLFF_SENT_MEMO.pdf) outlining their case for a light sentence.
The notoriety and length of the case mean a three-year sentence would be a sufficient deterrent to others considering similar crimes, Wolff's lawyers argued, and also provide the punitive punishment called for by the law.
Wolff's criminal conviction, "reported in the press and forever available in this Internet age, effectively brands him a pariah for the rest of his life," his attorneys said.
Wolff's defense team submitted letters from relatives, colleagues and friends describing his conduct as "out of character" with his values and his "humble and caring upbringing."
Wolff, who founded the company that would become Homestore at age 33, "is truly sorry for his actions, takes full responsibility for his conduct, realizes and feels devastated by the harms caused, and knows that he likely will live the rest of his life making amends for his misconduct," his attorneys said.

The letters included pleas for a lenient sentence from Wolff's mother and father, his sister, his wife, and one of his sons.
In their response, prosecutors said (http://cache.inman.com/files/stories/DOC_1021_GOVT_SENT_POS.pdf) they did not dispute "the sincerity of the moving letters submitted by Wolff’s family and friends."
But Wolff has displayed "selective memory" about his involvement of "the pervasive misconduct of his key lieutenants and their subordinates," prosecutors said, and was in fact "a key player in this significant financial scandal."
Prosecutors were also unmoved by Wolff's claim that he was unable to pay more than $5 million in restitution.
Wolff netted more than $8.6 million from sales of Homestore stock between April and August of 2001, prosecutors said. Until recently, Wolff has "consistently reported assets" of greater than $8 million, prosecutors said, but now claims the value of his Westlake Village home has fallen by 20 percent and that his hedge-fund investments are worth 60 percent less than previously reported.
Judge Fees put off a decision on how much restitution Wolff will be required to pay.
Prosecutors estimate Homestore investors lost $1.6 billion after the fraud was discovered -- a claim Wolff's attorneys say is based on an oversimplified analysis of the decline in the company's share price.
There is no evidence as to how many shareholders sold how many shares after the fraud was revealed, Wolff's attorneys said, and the government made no attempt to determine how much of the underlying value of the stock due was artificially induced through fraud.
Prosecutors countered that the law does not require them to prove the precise loss that each shareholder incurred during the period of the fraud.
"It is obviously not possible for the government to interview all of the Homestore shareholders who bought or held the company’s stock during 2001 regarding the losses caused by the fraud scheme," prosecutors said.
In a separate civil suit, attorneys for Homestore investors have collected more than $120 million in damages through settlements with Homestore, PricewaterhouseCoopers, and others (see story (http://www.inman.com/news/2009/09/1/realogy-quietly-exits-homestore-scandal)).
Wolff is the final defendant in the civil case, with proceedings suspended pending the outcome of his criminal trial.
Wolff's plea agreement stipulates that he should receive credit for any payments he makes in the civil suit and in another case brought by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
"I'm glad he's finally taking responsibility for at least a portion of the fraud of Homestore," said Nancy Fineman a Burlingame, Calif.-based attorney representing Homestore investors. "It's kind of too bad he didn't 10 years ago when this all broke, like some others did."
A scheduling conference in the civil case is set for May 11.
"We are interested in seeking all from him that we can get," Fineman said before Wolff was sentenced Monday. "Whatever prison sentence he has, he will still be a fairly young man."
Wolff has requested to serve his time at a federal prison camp in Santa Barbara County, Calif. -- the Federal Correctional Institution, Lompoc. He was ordered to begin serving his sentence by June 21, 2010. He will be about 51 when he is released.


Obviously, homestore.com did fabulous thanks to Trey White. Keep bragging Trey and I will keep digging!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-13-2010, 05:51 PM
WHITE VENTURES - ABOUT US - Team (http://www.whiteventures.com/au_team.html)


Trey White, CEO
As Chairman and CEO of White Ventures, Ltd., Mr. White guides the control and management of the company's interests in real property, real estate development, manufacturing, oil and gas, and technology. He is also committed to investment in the production of renewable fuel sources, both domestic and global. His philosophy is defined by investment in forward-thinking solutions that technology will accelerate, creating exponential benefits and new markets in global economies.
He was born a third-generation entrepreneur in Dallas. From young adulthood he devoted time and effort to long-term projections for business success. Understanding that being first to market is a huge advantage, he directed energy toward achievements that positioned him ahead of competitors. To date, he has placed capital of more than $1.5B into companies he founded or co-founded:

NewHomeSearch, a revolutionary electronic communication tool for Realtors® and new home builders, gained 100% penetration in the Dallas market within two years of inception and grew to ten markets with an innovative client-server-based application.
NewHomeSearch.com, renamed HomeBuilder.com, the first portal for searching real estate listings, quickly expanded to seventy-five markets and became the official Web site of the National Association of Homebuilders.
The merger of HomeBuilder.com with Realtor.com took the two companies public as HomeStore.com, raised $800M in two offerings, drove stock to $160 per share, and resulted in an $11B market cap.
Mr. White liquidated his equity position in HomeStore.com in the year 2000 and founded White Ventures, an enterprise created to invest in angel rounds, start-ups, emerging markets, and real estate development opportunities.
In 2002, White Ventures began investing in multi-phased, single-family, residential developments and, in 2003, provided the start-up capital to form Marlin Atlantis. This new entity, under the direction of an outstanding management team, took advantage of low interest rates and strong residential housing markets. To date, Marlin Atlantis has entitled and/or developed eighteen residential communities, including five master-planned developments in major Texas markets. The enterprise has deployed more than $200M in capital and is one of the largest residential community developers in Texas, with more than 20,000 single family lots in inventory.
Also in 2003, Mr. White founded White Energy, a company funded to take advantage of the high cost of oil, reduce dependence on foreign oil, and reduce carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels by building destination, fuel-grade, ethanol plants. In 2005, White Energy received its air permit to build in Texas - and the first new facility model created a destination plant trend that continues today in Texas, California, New York, Colorado, Kansas and Florida. White Energy will be the fifth-largest US producer and the largest Texas producer of ethanol when the 200M gallons of Texas production are online in 4th quarter, 2007.
Mr. White has created and pioneered markets using a best-of-breed management team methodology - and he leads several organizations, charitable as well as for-profit, against which other companies and efforts are measured.
His mental and physical cornerstones for success include surrounding himself with smart, experienced, respected individuals - at the top of their industries. He and his associates possess the ability to take measured risks, cultivate instincts for emerging markets, and demonstrate the acute market-awareness necessary for properly timed exits. He considers these aspects of business acumen "simple rules for a complex world, instrumental in stacking odds toward the probability of success."

Trey White (http://evolvtogether.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51:trey-white&catid=35:corp-team&Itemid=99)



<H1>Trey White — Founder & Chairman

</H1>
http://evolvtogether.com/images/stories/team/pic_trey-head.png

Mr. White’s philosophy is defined by investing in forward–thinking solutions with an eye toward technology and first-to-market advantages. He was born a third–generation entrepreneur in Dallas. Understanding that being first to market is a huge advantage, he directed energy toward achievements that positioned him ahead of competitors in emerging markets. To date, he has placed capital of more than $1.5B into companies he founded or co–founded.

Mr. White co–founded NewHomeSearch, a revolutionary electronic real estate listing service for Realtors® and new home builders, gained 100% penetration in the Dallas market within two years of inception and grew to ten markets with an innovative client–server–based application. NewHomeSearch, renamed HomeBuilder.com in 1996, created the first Internet portal for searching real estate listings, quickly expanded to seventy–five markets and became the official Web site of the National Association of Homebuilders. Mr. White oversaw the merger of HomeBuilder.com with Realtor.com and participated in taking the two companies public as HomeStore.com, raised $800M in two offerings, drove stock to $160 per share and resulted in a $9B market cap at its peak.

In 2002 Mr. White began investing in multi–phased, single–family, residential developments and, in 2003, provided the start–up capital to form Marlin Atlantis. This new entity, under the direction of an outstanding management team, took advantage of low interest rates and strong residential housing markets in Texas. To date, Marlin Atlantis has entitled and/or developed eighteen residential communities, including five master–planned developments in major Texas markets. The enterprise has deployed more than $200M in capital and is one of the largest residential community developers in Texas, with more than 20,000 single family lots in inventory. Marlin Atlantis is currently in the process of designing a $500M theme park in Houston, Texas named EarthQuest. EarthQuest will be the first mega theme park built in the US since DisneyWorld. Its unique position in the Houston market is projected to attract over 3M visitors per year and raise the bar in entertainment while delivering an eco conscious message.

Also in 2003, Mr. White founded White Energy, a company funded to take advantage of the high cost of oil, reduce dependence on foreign oil, and reduce carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels by building destination, fuel–grade, ethanol plants. In 2005, White Energy received its air permit to build in Texas. The first new facility created a destination plant trend that continues today in Texas, California, New York, Colorado, Kansas and Florida. White Energy produces 250M gallons of ethanol in three facilities, the fifth–largest US producer and the largest Texas refiner of fuel grade ethanol. To date, White Energy has deployed over $500M into renewable energy investments.

Mr. White has created and pioneered markets using a best–of–breed management team methodology as he leads several organizations, charitable as well as for–profit, against which other companies and efforts are measured. His mental and physical cornerstones for success include surrounding himself with smart, experienced, respected individuals at the top of their industries. He and his associates possess the ability to take measured risks, cultivate instincts for emerging markets, and demonstrate the acute market–awareness necessary for properly timed exits. He considers these aspects of business acumen “simple rules for a complex world, instrumental in stacking odds toward the probability of success.”



9, 11, 10 billion??? Which is it Trey? Is it hard to keep those stories straight.
The listed management includes:

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1085770/0000944209-99-000946.txt

MANAGEMENT

Executive Officers and Directors

The following table sets forth certain information regarding our executive
officers and directors as of March 31, 1999.

<TABLE>
<CAPTION>
Name Age Position
---- --- --------
<S> <C> <C>
Stuart H. Wolff, Ph.D... 36 Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer
Michael A. Buckman...... 51 President and Chief Operating Officer
John M. Giesecke, Jr.... 38 Chief Financial Officer, Vice President and Secretary
Catherine Kwong Giffen.. 34 Vice President, Human Resources and Administration
David M. Rosenblatt..... 34 Vice President, Marketing and General Counsel
Joseph J. Shew.......... 33 Vice President, Finance
Peter B. Tafeen......... 30 Vice President, Business Development
Michael C. Brooks....... 54 Director
James G. Brown.......... 34 Director
L. John Doerr........... 49 Director
Joe F. Hanauer.......... 61 Director
Richard R. Janssen...... 50 Director
William E. Kelvie....... 51 Director
Kenneth K. Klein........ 55 Director
</TABLE>

Stuart H. Wolff, Ph.D. joined HomeStore.com in November 1996 as Chairman
and Chief Executive Officer. From September 1994 to September 1996, Dr. Wolff
was Vice President of Business Services at TCI Interactive and at AND
Interactive, subsidiaries of TCI Communications, Inc., a cable company. Prior
to his tenure at TCI Communications, Inc. Dr. Wolff was an engineer at IBM and
a research scientist at AT&T Bell Labs. In 1986 he was recognized by the
Japanese Ministry of Education and awarded the Monbushu Fellowship at the
Tokyo Institute of Technology. Dr. Wolff received a B.S. in electrical
engineering from Brown University and an M.E.E. and Ph.D. in electrical
engineering from Princeton University.

Where is our boy Trey / Roscoe Frederick White III????

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-13-2010, 08:38 PM
Evolv MLM Review - What Do Billionaires Trey White, Donald Trump and Warren Buffet Have in Common? (http://ezinearticles.com/?Evolv-MLM-Review---What-Do-Billionaires-Trey-White,-Donald-Trump-and-Warren-Buffet-Have-in-Common?&id=3999644)


Evolv Distributors Are Licking Their Chops
Evolv distributors have never been at a better place in this industry than today with Trey White coming on board as an investor. They will be able to use his billionaire status to support their argument that Evolv is well capitalized and is going to be around for a very long time. The last thing a distributor wants is to waste their precious time promoting a MLM company only to have it go bankrupt from lack of cash flow and management. This will be the crucial selling point that Evolv distributors should capitalize on when giving their business presentation to a prospect or a group of people at a meeting.

Think how well capitalized White Energy was. All Trey's bragging and it imploded into bankruptcy (http://www.myplainview.com/news/article_29739053-b94d-580d-aedd-87c1deb5e59a.html) and the multi-billionaire Trey White didn't swoop in to the rescue??? MLMs are fly by night ventures by their very nature and the industry seems to acknowledge a 97% failure rate for its independent contractors / reps. Why would the zero water be any different?

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-14-2010, 11:06 AM
Marlin Atlantis in 2005 listed these:


Dallas/Ft. Worth Developments
» Brookville Estates (http://web.archive.org/web/20050505182904/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/communities/ma_brookville.html)
» Cheyenne Ridge (http://web.archive.org/web/20050505182904/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/communities/ma_cheyenneridge.html)
» Crescent Springs Ranch (http://web.archive.org/web/20050505182904/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/communities/ma_crescentsprings.html)
» Cross Oak Ranch (http://web.archive.org/web/20050505182904/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/communities/ma_crossoakranch.html)
» Grady Niblo (http://web.archive.org/web/20050505182904/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/communities/ma_gradyniblo.html)
» Harbor Glen (http://web.archive.org/web/20050505182904/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/communities/ma_harborglen.html)
» Hidden Creek (http://web.archive.org/web/20050505182904/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/communities/ma_hiddencreek.html)
» Lasater Ranch (http://web.archive.org/web/20050505182904/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/communities/ma_lasaterranch.html)
» Oak Point (http://web.archive.org/web/20050505182904/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/communities/ma_oakpoint.html)
» Park Trails (http://web.archive.org/web/20050505182904/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/communities/ma_parktrails.html)
» Rivers Edge (http://web.archive.org/web/20050505182904/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/communities/ma_riversedge.html)
» Sienna Hills (http://web.archive.org/web/20050505182904/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/communities/ma_siennahills.html)
» Terrace Landing (http://web.archive.org/web/20050505182904/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/communities/ma_terracelanding.html)


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It is time for some research to see where Trey White made his billions of dollars.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-14-2010, 11:17 AM
Brookville Estates

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I don't think a handful of cheap tract homes in Forney made Trey his billions.

Soapboxmom
09-14-2010, 11:22 AM
History Maker Homes
Community / Model Group: CHEYENNE RIDGE - FORT WORTH

Do you love Fort Worth but want to be close to Eagle Mountain Lake? Well then Cheyenne Ridge is the place for you! Located minutes from 820 North and I-35, Cheyenne Ridge is a wonderful new community off Boat Club Road in Saginaw. Close to elementary, middle and high schools of Eagle-Mountain ISD, Cheyenne Ridge is the perfect community for families of all ages. Featuring History Maker's Lifestyle Series of home designs, Cheyenne Ridge has 3 model homes to visit as well as a multitude of home plans and styles to fit your needs, lifestyle and financial obligations. Come and visit our exciting community today and see how History Maker offers MORE HOME... less money!
Models available at CHEYENNE RIDGE - FORT WORTH

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Living : 1,540 Sq Ft.
Total : 1,540 Sq Ft.
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Living : 1,640 Sq Ft.
Total : 1,640 Sq Ft.
3 Bedrooms, 2 Baths, 2 Car Garage.
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Living : 1,650 Sq Ft.
Total : 1,650 Sq Ft.
3 Bedrooms, 2 Baths, 2 Car Garage.
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Model name: 1950 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3273)

Living : 1,950 Sq Ft.
Total : 1,950 Sq Ft.
3 Bedrooms, 3 Baths, 2 Car Garage.
See more information about 1950 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3273)
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Model name: 2300 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3279)

Living : 2,300 Sq Ft.
Total : 2,300 Sq Ft.
3 Bedrooms, 3 Baths, 2 Car Garage.
See more information about 2300 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3279)
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Model name: 2304 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3280)

Living : 2,304 Sq Ft.
Total : 2,304 Sq Ft.
3 Bedrooms, 1 Baths, 2 Car Garage.
See more information about 2304 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3280)
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Model name: 2650 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3287)

Living : 2,650 Sq Ft.
Total : 2,650 Sq Ft.
3 Bedrooms, 3 Baths, 2 Car Garage.
See more information about 2650 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3287)
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Model name: 2990 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3290)

Living : 2,990 Sq Ft.
Total : 2,990 Sq Ft.
3 Bedrooms, 3 Baths, 2 Car Garage.
See more information about 2990 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3290)
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Model name: 3300 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3296)

Living : 3,300 Sq Ft.
Total : 3,300 Sq Ft.
3 Bedrooms, 2 Baths, 2 Car Garage.
See more information about 3300 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3296)
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Model name: 3500 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3303)

Living : 3,500 Sq Ft.
Total : 3,500 Sq Ft.
3 Bedrooms, 3 Baths, 2 Car Garage.
See more information about 3500 Series (http://www.dfwnewhomemall.com/ebrochure.php?modelid=3303)

Not the stuff billions are made from either.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-14-2010, 12:07 PM
Antares Homes - New Homes Available Now (http://www.antareshomes.com/available.aspx)

Residents To Bowen Homes: Clean Up Your Mess! (http://www.mycrossoakranch.com/component/content/article/19-general-stories/189-residents-to-bowen-homes-clean-up-your-mess.html)

http://www.dallasobserver.com/2009-03-19/news/dallas-wants-to-be-a-green-city-so-why-not-save-some-trees/ (http://www.dallasobserver.com/2009-03-19/news/dallas-wants-to-be-a-green-city-so-why-not-save-some-trees/)


Dallas Wants to be a Green City, So Why Not Save Some Trees?



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On a windswept rise in southwest Dallas, Frank Bracken (http://www.dallasobserver.com/related/to/Frank+Bracken) squints into the late-afternoon sun and sweeps his wiry, flannel-clad arm across the empty expanse of chalky white caliche. This ridge used to be thick with 30-foot jade-green cedar and oak trees, the only species tenacious enough to cling to the rocky ground, their roots holding the soil in place. Today, it resembles the nihilistic work of some profiteering strip miner. Bracken, who owns a farm just south of here, and his neighbors call this land "the moonscape" for its lack of vegetation and stark, white rock. The developer's Web site, though, calls it Grady Niblo Estates—"a peaceful and serene family retreat."
Four years ago, development company Marlin Atlantis bought this land, a verdant hill near Duncanville (http://www.dallasobserver.com/related/to/Duncanville), planning to build a high-end subdivision with homes priced between $250,000 and $500,000. In a series of community meetings in late 2004, Bracken and his neighbors heard promises about preserving old-growth trees and directed the developer to a nearby subdivision—gorgeous, winding streets shaded with ancient oak and pecan trees—that neighbors hoped would be the model for Grady Niblo.
Mark Graham
A plastic fence separates shady, wooded yards from a once-forested lot that developers of Grady Niblo Estates clear-cut to make room for a new subdivision (above). Trees, apparently, weren’t on the list of things the developers wanted to preserve in the development, which neighbors describe as a moonscape.

But in the summer of 2005, a plume of ominous white dust rose from the Grady Niblo (http://www.dallasobserver.com/related/to/Grady+Niblo) site, and before long, every tree was gone. The last to go, says Bracken, was a row of cedar trees that blocked the view from the street; no one could tell what was happening until it was too late. Hundreds of semi trucks carted away the mulched trees. The developer did not return Dallas Observer calls seeking comment.
For three years, the land stood empty. Erosion washed silt and rocks into ruts left by the bulldozers, carving deep furrows in the land and choking storm sewers. Today, Phase I of Grady Niblo Estates remains unfinished, with only a handful of imposing brick houses rising from the apocalyptic landscape. There are no sidewalks, just streets and a few driveways. A lone metal street sign, oblivious to its own irony, marks the corner of "Nature's Way" and "Preservation Lane."
After the bulldozers left, Marlin Atlantis could hardly make good on its promise to preserve old-growth trees, and Bracken and his neighbors were relegated to demanding that the developer at least fulfill its city-mandated obligation to replant trees equivalent to what it had cut down.
The city of Dallas' tree ordinance requires that when a landowner cuts down protected trees—trees of certain species that are more than 8 inches thick—he or she has must "mitigate" for the cut trees in one of three ways: replanting, paying into a reforestation fund or donating trees to the city. The landowner, however, can claim a "special exception" to mitigation if he or she can prove to the city that replanting "will unreasonably burden" the property's use and that taking the exception won't harm neighboring property.
Marlin Atlantis sought an exception based on what it said was a prior agreement it had reached with the Dallas city attorney to satisfy its mitigation obligation by donating to the city as parkland a wooded ravine on the western edge of Grady Niblo.
Bracken and his neighbors, sick of dealing with silt in their sewer system and the dust rising from the empty land next door, hoped the city would see it their way and deny the developer an exception.
In November 2007, the Dallas Zoning Board of Adjustment rejected Marlin Atlantis' bid for an exception from the replanting requirement. In 2008, Marlin Atlantis' lender, Graham Investments Inc. (http://www.dallasobserver.com/related/to/Graham+Investments+Inc.), foreclosed on the property, and that August, Graham (http://www.dallasobserver.com/related/to/Joe+Graham) brought a similar case before the board, whose ruling created a unique mitigation arrangement that attempted to satisfy the residents and the lender. According to Joe Graham, president of Graham Investments, his company has "spent a tremendous amount of time and money trying to do the right thing," including paying out "over $450,000 so far" to bring the property into compliance.
The tangible effects of that half-million seem scant: a thin layer of black dirt seeded with grass has been spread to cover the white caliche and slow erosion, and a pitiful line of oak and ash trees has been planted atop a levee at the far end of the property. Several of these trees tremble at rakish angles, their thin trunks no match for the wind that now buffets this treeless plain. Their roots—some of them still coiled in the ball like those of an unplanted tree—are unable to penetrate the hard, white rock and have done little to stanch soil erosion. Bracken says that dirt and rocks still fill the roads and clog the sewers when it rains, and city officials who might monitor compliance with the ruling are a rare sight at the moonscape.



Marlin Atlantis ain't the billion dollar special either it seems. Go hug a tree today Trey!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-15-2010, 12:53 PM
More Marlin Atlantis projects:
Harbor Glen

http://www.internest.com/images/top.gifBack to Top (http://www.internest.com/holidaybuildersdfw/holidaybuildersdfw29210.asp#top)
http://images.internest.com/holidaybuildersdfw/property29210.JPGhttp://www.internest.com/images/clear.gifPrice:From $137,990 to $178,990iNest Rebate:From $1,380 Builder:Holiday Builders (http://www.internest.com/holidaybuildersdfw/index.asp)Home Type:Single-Family HomeSquare Footage:1,892 to 3,178Bedrooms:3 to 4Bathrooms:2 to 2.5http://www.internest.com/images/fb_star_sm.gif (http://www.internest.com/holidaybuildersdfw/holidaybuildersdfw29210.asp#) Take coupon with you on your first visit.
Hidden Creek Estates

From $129,990 - $212,990
Master Planned
24 new homes available. From 1508 - 3465 sq.ft. View Homes (http://www.newhomesource.com/communitydetail/builder-1163/community-17379/view-homes)
Antares Homes 923 Hidden Lake Drive, Burleson, TX 76028 Map (http://www.newhomesource.com/communitydetail/builder-1163/community-17379/view-directions)

Lasater Ranch

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http://images.internest.com/antareshomesdallas/mainpicture.GIFhttp://www.internest.com/images/clear.gifPrice:From $109,490 to $153,990iNest Rebate:From $1,095 Builder:Antares Homes (http://www.internest.com/antareshomesdallas/index.asp)Home Type:Single-Family HomeSquare Footage:1,334 to 2,778Bedrooms:3 to 5Bathrooms:2 to 3http://www.internest.com/images/fb_star_sm.gif (http://www.internest.com/antareshomesdallas/antareshomesdallas37316.asp#) Take coupon with you on your first visit.

Marlin Atlantis' Oak Point homes in Plano, TX is really getting dissed:
How is the KB Homes - Oak Point at Plano? (McKinney: real estate, apartments) - Dallas - Texas (TX) - City-Data Forum (http://www.city-data.com/forum/dallas/592952-how-kb-homes-oak-point-plano.html)

Here is more cheap crap in the Marlin Atlantis development of Park Trails of Princeton, TX
Homes For Sale In Park Trails, Princeton Texas (http://www.bwhometeam.com/Real_Estate/TX/City/Princeton/Park_Trails_Subdivision-Princeton.aspx)

Not quite the stuff that makes multi-billionaires!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-15-2010, 02:01 PM
Marlin Atlantis said in 2005:


Rivers Edge is in one of the fastest growing regions of the Ft. Worth/Dallas area. This community is situated on highway 114, just 3 miles west of Interstate 35W providing quick and convenient routes to the major Dallas/Ft. Worth employment centers, and is minutes away from the new Alliance Airport. River's Edge is a 213 acre single family residential development with a 30 acre commercial/retail segment positioned along the highway 114 frontage, providing immediate convenience for the residents. This subdivision features Goodman Homes (http://web.archive.org/web/20050506092614/http://www.khov.com/home/TX/TXDF/TXDF.htm?FilterByBrand=No&Brand=GCH&CommCode=&ModelCode=&StateCode=TX&MktAreaCode=TXDF&NavLevel=MktArea&FlashVer=6?Ref=Google) and Horizon Homes (http://web.archive.org/web/20050506092614/http://www.horizonhomesdfw.com/tmp/ourhomes/ourcommunities) as the homebuilders and will contain 595 single family, detached residential lots to be developed in 4 phases. Phase I lots will be ready for the homebuilders in November, 2005.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050506092614/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/images/plan_riversedge_sm.jpg (http://web.archive.org/web/20050506092614/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/pdf/RiversEdge_Concept.pdf) Homebuilder:
» Goodman Homes
(http://web.archive.org/web/20050506092614/http://www.khov.com/home/TX/TXDF/TXDF.htm?FilterByBrand=No&Brand=GCH&CommCode=&ModelCode=&StateCode=TX&MktAreaCode=TXDF&NavLevel=MktArea&FlashVer=6?Ref=Google)» Horizon Homes (http://web.archive.org/web/20050506092614/http://www.horizonhomesdfw.com/tmp/ourhomes/ourcommunities)


The cheap crap has different builders now and is coming soon!:
Gehan Homes: Communities in Dallas Ft. Worth Area: River's Edge: New Homes in Justin, Texas (http://www.gehanhomes.com/communities/comm_riversEdge.html)

Another go nowhere project of Marlin Atlantis:


Located at the northwest corner of IH-30 and IH-820, Sienna Hills offers excellent access to anywhere in Fort Worth. This community is a perfect blend of residential and commercial property anchored by major retailers. Sienna Hills will consist of 529 residential lots located in the White Settlement Independent School District. Homebuilders are still being chosen for this neighborhood that will insure variety and quality for every family.

The City of White Settlement (http://www.wstx.us/whitesettlement/agenda/minutes/cc_2008-01-22.php)


2. Report from Mr. Jim Caffey concerning the project west of IH 820

Mayor Ouzts explained that Mr. Caffey was an engineer that the city had retained to look at developments west of Interstate 820 that impacts the White Settlement side of Interstate 820.

Mr. Caffey of Caffey Engineering gave an update to the City Council regarding the project west of IH 820. Mr. Caffey explained that City Attorney Micheal Burkett had informed him of some grading that was going on west of IH 820. He explained that it was in the addition named Sienna Hills. He explained that the preliminary plat for Sienna Hills was approved on May 24, 2005. He explained that in 2006 Mr. Burkett had sent letters to all of the property owners of undeveloped property in that area, in the Farmers Branch Water Shed. He explained that a final plat was never filed for Sienna Hills and the original plat would have expired on May 24, 2007, according to Mr. Alex Parks of the City of Fort Worth. He explained that the project where the grading was occurring was at an apartment complex by the name of Wind Haven at West Point. He explained the 14.88 acre development. Mr. Caffey then answered questions. Mr. Caffey explained that a short plat had been filed on the property. He explained that a short plat did not have to go back to the City Council for approval.

Ms. Jeannie Anderson of 509 Grant Circle had questions regarding when the plats of Sienna Hills were approved and filed. She voiced concern of the water runoff and impact on the City of White Settlement.

Mayor Ouzts spoke in explanation. Mayor Ouzts asked that Mr. Caffey, Mr. Burkett, and city staff follow up on and at least request that Fort Worth Planning review those areas that have not been filled yet.


Terrace Landing

http://www.internest.com/images/top.gifBack to Top (http://www.internest.com/drhortondfwwestdiv/drhortondfwwestdiv36538.asp#top)
http://images.internest.com/drhortondfwwestdiv/property36538.JPGhttp://www.internest.com/images/clear.gifPrice:Upper $110's to Low $190'siNest Rebate:From $1,180 Builder:D.R. Horton - West Division (http://www.internest.com/drhortondfwwestdiv/index.asp)Home Type:Single-Family HomeSquare Footage:1,259 to 2,926Bedrooms:3 to 4Bathrooms:2 to 3http://www.internest.com/images/fb_star_sm.gif (http://www.internest.com/drhortondfwwestdiv/drhortondfwwestdiv36538.asp#) Take coupon with you on your first visit.
That is all the communities Marlin Atlantis developed. Not looking like billioinaire worthy projects to me.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-15-2010, 02:01 PM
Marlin Atlantis said in 2005:


Rivers Edge is in one of the fastest growing regions of the Ft. Worth/Dallas area. This community is situated on highway 114, just 3 miles west of Interstate 35W providing quick and convenient routes to the major Dallas/Ft. Worth employment centers, and is minutes away from the new Alliance Airport. River's Edge is a 213 acre single family residential development with a 30 acre commercial/retail segment positioned along the highway 114 frontage, providing immediate convenience for the residents. This subdivision features Goodman Homes (http://web.archive.org/web/20050506092614/http://www.khov.com/home/TX/TXDF/TXDF.htm?FilterByBrand=No&Brand=GCH&CommCode=&ModelCode=&StateCode=TX&MktAreaCode=TXDF&NavLevel=MktArea&FlashVer=6?Ref=Google) and Horizon Homes (http://web.archive.org/web/20050506092614/http://www.horizonhomesdfw.com/tmp/ourhomes/ourcommunities) as the homebuilders and will contain 595 single family, detached residential lots to be developed in 4 phases. Phase I lots will be ready for the homebuilders in November, 2005.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050506092614/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/images/plan_riversedge_sm.jpg (http://web.archive.org/web/20050506092614/http://www.marlinatlantis.com/pdf/RiversEdge_Concept.pdf) Homebuilder:
» Goodman Homes
(http://web.archive.org/web/20050506092614/http://www.khov.com/home/TX/TXDF/TXDF.htm?FilterByBrand=No&Brand=GCH&CommCode=&ModelCode=&StateCode=TX&MktAreaCode=TXDF&NavLevel=MktArea&FlashVer=6?Ref=Google)» Horizon Homes (http://web.archive.org/web/20050506092614/http://www.horizonhomesdfw.com/tmp/ourhomes/ourcommunities)


The cheap crap has different builders now and is coming soon!:
Gehan Homes: Communities in Dallas Ft. Worth Area: River's Edge: New Homes in Justin, Texas (http://www.gehanhomes.com/communities/comm_riversEdge.html)

Another go nowhere project of Marlin Atlantis:


Located at the northwest corner of IH-30 and IH-820, Sienna Hills offers excellent access to anywhere in Fort Worth. This community is a perfect blend of residential and commercial property anchored by major retailers. Sienna Hills will consist of 529 residential lots located in the White Settlement Independent School District. Homebuilders are still being chosen for this neighborhood that will insure variety and quality for every family.

The City of White Settlement (http://www.wstx.us/whitesettlement/agenda/minutes/cc_2008-01-22.php)


2. Report from Mr. Jim Caffey concerning the project west of IH 820

Mayor Ouzts explained that Mr. Caffey was an engineer that the city had retained to look at developments west of Interstate 820 that impacts the White Settlement side of Interstate 820.

Mr. Caffey of Caffey Engineering gave an update to the City Council regarding the project west of IH 820. Mr. Caffey explained that City Attorney Micheal Burkett had informed him of some grading that was going on west of IH 820. He explained that it was in the addition named Sienna Hills. He explained that the preliminary plat for Sienna Hills was approved on May 24, 2005. He explained that in 2006 Mr. Burkett had sent letters to all of the property owners of undeveloped property in that area, in the Farmers Branch Water Shed. He explained that a final plat was never filed for Sienna Hills and the original plat would have expired on May 24, 2007, according to Mr. Alex Parks of the City of Fort Worth. He explained that the project where the grading was occurring was at an apartment complex by the name of Wind Haven at West Point. He explained the 14.88 acre development. Mr. Caffey then answered questions. Mr. Caffey explained that a short plat had been filed on the property. He explained that a short plat did not have to go back to the City Council for approval.

Ms. Jeannie Anderson of 509 Grant Circle had questions regarding when the plats of Sienna Hills were approved and filed. She voiced concern of the water runoff and impact on the City of White Settlement.

Mayor Ouzts spoke in explanation. Mayor Ouzts asked that Mr. Caffey, Mr. Burkett, and city staff follow up on and at least request that Fort Worth Planning review those areas that have not been filled yet.


Terrace Landing

http://www.internest.com/images/top.gifBack to Top (http://www.internest.com/drhortondfwwestdiv/drhortondfwwestdiv36538.asp#top)
http://images.internest.com/drhortondfwwestdiv/property36538.JPGhttp://www.internest.com/images/clear.gifPrice:Upper $110's to Low $190'siNest Rebate:From $1,180 Builder:D.R. Horton - West Division (http://www.internest.com/drhortondfwwestdiv/index.asp)Home Type:Single-Family HomeSquare Footage:1,259 to 2,926Bedrooms:3 to 4Bathrooms:2 to 3http://www.internest.com/images/fb_star_sm.gif (http://www.internest.com/drhortondfwwestdiv/drhortondfwwestdiv36538.asp#) Take coupon with you on your first visit.
That is all the communities Marlin Atlantis developed. Not looking like billionaire worthy projects to me.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-15-2010, 05:19 PM
A private meeting with a few of us in Dallas just a few weeks ago gave us some incredible insight as to the plans billionaire Trey White has for Evolv (http://myevolvsystem.com/mikehealy/business?business=original). One of the most incredible things is seeing the transparency of a man who has taken multiple companies to billions of dollars in sales.


Trey White spins that tall tale (http://www.whoismikehealy.com/billionaire-trey-white-explains-his-vision-for-evolv-why-so-many-people-will-make-a-fortune-mike-healy)here. Now just what are the names of these multiple companies and where is the proof???

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-19-2010, 11:09 AM
Serail MLMer Dr. Vic Kalman is at it again. He is Evolving!!!

The Benefits of Alkaline Water for Optimized Health (http://www.articlealley.com/article_1081897_23.html)

Benefits of Alkalized Ionized Water For Healthy Living (http://www.scribd.com/doc/19281673/Benefits-of-Alkalized-Ionized-Water-For-Healthy-Living)

www.waterforlifeinfo.com (http://www.waterforlifeinfo.com)

I can't find where Evolv Health LLC makes claims about the water's ph level. Just how alkaline is this zero water??? An MD promoting this zero water with the company producing and marketing it being sued by the world renowned MD Anderson Cancer Center / Texas University Board of Regents takes the cake. Not to mention an MD has an obligation to be especially careful what he or she uses their name and medical degree to promote. Has Kalman checked out this fancy water?

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-19-2010, 02:46 PM
Trey White's reps are bragging:


Trey White is the Chairman and CEO of White Ventures Limited. This company holds controlling interests in Marlin Atlantis White, Koton Corporation, White Energy, KOR Energy, and Bridgeport Power and Light.


PUC says:



30856Type:DOCKETDate:03/09/2005Note:AMENDMENT - Change in Ownership/Control and Name Change - from Texas Commercial Energy to Bridgepoint Power & Light, LLC.Filings:Change in Ownership/Control, Name Change


Texas Secretary of State says:



Entity Information: BRIDGEPOINT POWER & LIGHT, LLC
13455 NOEL RD STE 2300
DALLAS, TX 75240-1534
Status:NO STANDING, FRANCHISE RESPONSIBILITY ENDED
Registered Agent:MARK FOSTER
1403 WEST SIXTH STREET
AUSTIN, TX 78703
Registered Agent
Resignation Date:
State of Formation:File Number:0800461920 SOS
Registration Date:March 4, 2005
Taxpayer Number:12025048369

The business (http://bridgepointpower.com/)is now defunct. Hardly that next billion dollar company Trey loves to brag about.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-19-2010, 02:56 PM
Trey White's reps bragged:


Trey White is the Chairman and CEO of White Ventures Limited. This company holds controlling interests in Marlin Atlantis White, Koton Corporation, White Energy, KOR Energy, and Bridgeport Power and Light.

KOR Energy is such a big prosperous company that they are apparently invisible on the internet. A Google search leads nowhere! Another billion dollar venture my @$$!!!

Manta has this:


Is this your company?
Claim This Profile (http://www.manta.com/c/mm6kph7/kor-energy#)




Kor Energy

(http://www.manta.com/c/mm6kph7/kor-energy)
13455 Noel Road
Dallas, TX 75240-6620 map (http://www.manta.com/cmap/mm6kph7/kor-energy)
Dallas, TX Metro Area Phone:(972) 715-6480 Website:Information not found
Is this your company? Claim This Profile (http://www.manta.com/c/mm6kph7/kor-energy#)

Kor Energy is a private company categorized under Energy Management Systems and Products and located in Dallas, TX. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $500,000 to $1 million and employs a staff of approximately 1 to 4.



Kor Energy Business Information


Location TypeSingle LocationAnnual Sales (Estimated)$500,000 to $1 million
Employees (Estimated)1 to 4 SIC Code171131,
Energy Management Systems & Products NAICS Code238220,
Plumbing & Hvac ContractorsProducts, Services and
BrandsInformation not found







Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-19-2010, 03:58 PM
Koton at least hasn't gone bust yet.

KOTON Corporation - ABOUT US (http://www.eurostyle.com/koton/site/aboutus.html)

BCS - Acordex Java TIFF Viewer (http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/image.asp?FILE_TYPE=ELF&FILE_NAME=D200506\2005178\E0141427.TIF)

The Better Business Bureau has no information.

Manta does not show annual sales.

www.stockselector.com (http://www.stockselector.com) had no stock related to KOTON either.

Again, this is no billion dollar company.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-19-2010, 05:42 PM
Name Larry Seegar
Location Dallas Texas
Web http://Larry.myev... (http://larry.myevolv.biz/)
<LI id=bio>Bio Best friends with Trey White the founder of Evolv Health. http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/377982045/DSCF0077_bigger.JPG (http://twitter.com/account/profile_image/larryevolv?hreflang=en)
larryevolv

It is high time Larry Seegar explain why Trey White seriously misleads folks about his business acumen and why he passes himself off as a multi-billionaire. I have researched extensively and I am not finding successful ventures that would have built this man's alleged fortune by any stretch of the imagination.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-19-2010, 07:21 PM
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs219.ash2/48647_1250936603_4118_q.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1250936603&ref=mf)
Larry Seegar (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1250936603)Evolv Archaea Active, apparently optimizes cellular functions. Evolv is produced by a fermentation process using age-old natural organisms that produce cell-communicating molecules. Scientific studies indicate Evolv aids healthy cell activity by stimulating the most favorable cell functions while blocking non-healthy cell activities."

These chemicals that open up cell communication are known as "kinase inhibitors".

Please read this Aug 25, 2009 article from Science Daily -"Unlocking the body's defenses against Cancer"

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090825100649.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090825100649.htm)

Further studies on Evolv Archaea Active are currently being conducted by MD Anderson, the leading research facility in the U.S.



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Okay, Larry, discussing Evolv in the context of being a cancer fighting agent is going way to far at this juncture. Just what ingredients in Evolv are you suggesting are kinase inhibitors? The ingredients are Alfala, Milk whey and ezymes including Amylase, Bromelain, Cellulase, Lactase, Lipase, Papain and Protease enzymes. These ingredients are very cheap and readily available. Now, what is it that is so powerful that it stimulates the most favorable cell functions while blocking non-healthy cell activities
and may be a cancer fighter???

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
09-20-2010, 01:37 PM
Is the management in an MLM (specifically Trey White, Brent Hicks, Anne Bodak, and Jonathan Gillam) part of the pyramid, or do they get paid a salary for executive responsibilities, or both?

I was curious about the sudden departure of Jonathan Gillam last month. His exit message on Facebook was interesting in both whom he thanked and whom he omitted.

He claims he left the company of his own choosing, and for family reasons. I respect his privacy, but don't understand why he would leave, if he was sitting on top of "the next billion dollar business."

I understand that last quote sounds sarcastic, but it wasn't intended to be.

Thanks to anyone who understands how this industry works, and can explain it to me. I will admit that in the last year I have become fascinated (obsessed) with the people and products in MLM.

littleroundman
09-21-2010, 11:02 AM
Thanks to anyone who understands how this industry works, and can explain it to me. I will admit that in the last year I have become fascinated (obsessed) with the people and products in MLM.

Before anyone attempts to enter into explaining how "things work", UB, I think it important you clarify exactly what you mean by "this industry"

Companies such as Evolv Water could perhaps be best described as "fraud disguised as MLM" rather than a business engaged in marketing its' product/s via a non standard, multi level distribution model.

Evolv is as much "like" a legitimate bottled water seller as an apple is "like" an orange or a Volkswagen is "like" a Porsche.

Undercover Brother
09-21-2010, 12:21 PM
clarify exactly what you mean by "this industry"



The industry of selling a "business opportunity" rather than a product.

Seriously?
09-21-2010, 12:25 PM
The industry of selling a "business opportunity" rather than a product.

Sounds to me like you understand rather well.

Undercover Brother
09-21-2010, 01:24 PM
Sounds to me like you understand rather well.

What part of this:

"The industry of selling a business opportunity rather than a product."

Makes you think I understand this?:


Is the management in an MLM (specifically Trey White, Brent Hicks, Anne Bodak, and Jonathan Gillam) part of the pyramid, or do they get paid a salary for executive responsibilities, or both?

I was curious about the sudden departure of Jonathan Gillam last month. His exit message on Facebook was interesting in both whom he thanked and whom he omitted.

He claims he left the company of his own choosing, and for family reasons. I respect his privacy, but don't understand why he would leave, if he was sitting on top of "the next billion dollar business."

I was trying to answer Little Roundman's question as succinctly as possible. If you don't know the answer to mine, or don't understand my reason for asking, which I have laid out again, then please don't answer with anything. Cute little quips and one liners don't help, it just makes me wonder why I bothered asking here.

UB

Soapboxmom
09-21-2010, 01:58 PM
Is the management in an MLM (specifically Trey White, Brent Hicks, Anne Bodak, and Jonathan Gillam) part of the pyramid, or do they get paid a salary for executive responsibilities, or both?

I was curious about the sudden departure of Jonathan Gillam last month. His exit message on Facebook was interesting in both whom he thanked and whom he omitted.

He claims he left the company of his own choosing, and for family reasons. I respect his privacy, but don't understand why he would leave, if he was sitting on top of "the next billion dollar business."

I understand that last quote sounds sarcastic, but it wasn't intended to be.

Thanks to anyone who understands how this industry works, and can explain it to me. I will admit that in the last year I have become fascinated (obsessed) with the people and products in MLM.
Jonathan Gilliam could have left for any number of reasons. Considering Trey's bragging of it being his next billion dollar company one would think Jonathan would hang on for the ride if that was where it was headed. Perhaps, he saw what we bloggers have been uncovering and realized that White's business bio has been grossly exaggerated at best. It may be looking to someone in the know like him to be well on the way to bust. He may have seen that the suit with MD Anderson and realized that the negative publicity from that suit would be publicity that could not be overcome for the long haul and would seriously harm Evolv's growth. Maybe, he became disenchanted with the MLM business model that boasts at least a 97% loss rate for the reps that participate.

Many top of the pyramid reps do end up with positions in company's management. I don't know what agreements Trey has with the folks working for him. Savvy distributors should be asking those tough questions!

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
09-21-2010, 04:12 PM
Thanks SBM. I've only done research through scam, realscam, some facebook messages and one sales pitch I received. I've tried to put together an accurate history lesson concerning Yoli, Monavie, Tahitian Noni, and Evolv (specifically Evolv). Do you think this is close?:

Chapter 1. Trey and a few buddies use money and a new (new is subjective) idea to start a pyramid. The money could have come from an inheritance, accident settlement, investors, or credit. The idea is to pay a bottled water company to create a private label brand named Evolv.

Chapter 2. The money is used to a.) pay MD Anderson to run tests. (The results of the test are irrelevant) What is relevant is the illusion that it is now truthful to say "tested by MD Anderson" b.) create an exciting website, back office, brochures, logo, and introduction videos

Chapter 3. Set up an executive team. I assume these are all the buddies mentioned in Chapter 1, like Larry Seegar, Brent Hicks, and Jason Fraser...plus people skilled in Communications like Jonathan Gillam and Ann Bodack who maybe answered an ad on Craigslist.

Chapter 4. Start building the pyramid, from the top down, with people like Robert Dean Jr. and Garret McGrath. It is my understanding that these people have somewhere near 2,500 followers each in their respective teams. If I'm right about everything else so far, here is what I don't understand...How do Robert Dean Jr and Garret McGrath get 2,500 people to follow them to the next idea year after year, if they aren't making money? Don't these followers question what happened to the product they were hawking last year? Also, does Trey arbitrarily tell Garret that if he wants to be part of this scheme that he has to place Jason at the top of his team and that Robert has to place Larry at the top of his?

Chapter 5. This is where the middle of the road players like Carlos Aponte Jr., Jack Weinzerl, and Chris Doyle jump in? They are about 9 weeks too late, and unfortunately not tight with Trey, so they enter in the middle of the pyramid with about 100 member teams.

Chapter 6. They (Jack, Carlos, Chris) are already looking ahead to the next idea, which explains the unbelievable amount of kissing up, sucking up, love fest you can find from them (Jack, Carlos, etc.) to them (Trey, Jason, Garrett, Robert Dean) on Facebook.

Chapter 7. A lot of money starts flowing uphill from the sale of $55 cases of water, brochures, car decals, team meetings, and videos to the members of the pyramid. Do Robert Dean Jr. and Garret McGrath have to buy the cases at $55? Or at that level there HAS to be a gentlemens agreement that they get it at cost:$3.00/case. You know Garrett has to be like, "C'mon Trey. I'm no sucker."

Chapter 8. The money is distributed to the guys at the top. See Chapter 1.

Chapter 9. The End. There is no one left to sell $55 cases to, and the pyramid implodes from the bottom, or Robert Dean Jr. and Garret McGrath move on to the next idea.

Chapter 10. Alternate Ending: All the research that Trey has been eluding to concerning Archea Active TM is proven correct, and all the stores in the world want it. Pepsi buys the formula for billions, and the 5,000 members of this pyramid get to split the proceeds legally.

Thanks for your time, and thoughtful response to my "history lesson". I appreciate you filling in any holes if I missed something or if I am way off base.

UB

littleroundman
09-21-2010, 08:09 PM
As with most things which involve large numbers of people, UB, there is no single answer to your question/s.

One must first define the different categories of people involved in "the business" before even attempting to describe what's going on.

For example, years of observation have led me to the belief there are multiple personality types operating under the umbrella of online "business" with a certain amount of sub groups and crossover between the groups as well as between differing types of online fra......err....."business"

There are "playas" i.e. the "usual suspect" visible and invisible regulars who are behind a great many of the pseudo MLM/HYIP ponzi/overnight riches businesses which appear to be flourishing online ATM. Money and power are their only Gods and their world is so far removed from that of the average 'net user as to be beyond their wildest imagination.

"Players" who have not quite moved into the inner circle of "playas" but who play the game and are largely responsible for recruiting new sucke........err.......members. They are generally rewarded via receiving inside information, early warnings, enhanced recruitment bonuses and early positions in the next big one.

"True believers" who genuinely DO think the "next big thing" drink/coffee/magic wand/enhanced water/silver colloidal magic bullet product works, that "autosurfing" is legitimate and that there are top secret ways to make squillions online and genuinely DO imagine they are in a "people helping people" industry

"naive, uneducated, unsophisticated, desperate and inexperienced" people who really do take what they read and hear at face value.

"greedy opportunists" a self explanatory category.

"gamblers" who deep down know it's all B/S but think it's worth a try.

IM(very)HO there is also another category which is increasing exponentially as we speak.That is an ever increasing amount of organized crime figures, money launderers, tax avoiders and the like.

It is inconceivable to me that with the multiple billions of dollars at stake, opportunistic criminal elements are not heavily involved, if not directly responsible.

Undercover Brother
09-21-2010, 08:41 PM
Thanks LRM. I think this was a very thorough answer, and I really appreciate it. I have been trying to follow a bunch of different people in mlm, and tried to pigeon-hole them into one of the groups you outlined. Can you take a stab at it? I'm only familiar with the ones who are all over these sites.

UB

Soapboxmom
09-21-2010, 08:56 PM
UB, that is very good and terribly amusing as well. I think we can discount chapter 10. Since the formula has water, milk whey, alfalfa and enzymes that are readily available I don't think that stuff is going to prove to be anything to get too excited about.

Larry Seegar, Brent Hicks and Jason Fraser were in from the get go as personal friends of Trey / Roscoe. McGrath and the Top Gunn folks came along a little later. Those heavy hitters do the jump and dump. The big money is made in sign up fees and enrollments on autoship in the early ground floor days of these deals. And, every new deal is "the one" and the leaders brag of being in it for the "long term building with integrity" and on and on.....

LRM did a fantastic job of covering all the bases in his last post. You would be surprised how many crackpot tax protestors and the like are in these deals. It is an industry that is so ripe for abuse. The companies treat all the reps as independent contractors and escape responsibility for the shenanigans of said reps. Testimonials and stories sell! So, companies selling basically run of the mill overpriced garbage will certainly gravitate to MLM.

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
09-21-2010, 09:14 PM
That's very difficult to do.

One has to remember that this is a multi BILLION, (and I do mean BILLION) dollar "industry" (the fraud industry) which we're discussing here.

This is NOT a few good ol' boys makin' a few bucks on the side. Subterfuge, secrecy and plain old underworld behaviour are all in play. Multiple user names/identities are the order of the day and, without the full facilities of the FBI, CIA and Secret Squirrel at our disposal, I don't think plebs like us could ever know the full extent of the "industry"

It's all in the numbers.

The USA has a population of 320+ people ATM.

AdSurf Daily had $90+ MILLION in its' BoA accounts alone when it was busted and it's estimated that $250 MILLION dollars passed through its' books.

Tap water costs cents per 1000 gallons and Evolv is being sold for $55 a case.

Do the math.

Ken Russo aka "DrDave" aka who knows how many other identities, is someone who moves between multiple fraud and forms of fraud, including autosurfs, MLM, HYIP ponzi games as are "Faith Sloan" and Justin 'Broker" Jones.

As for MLM, the very nature of the "business" means that it is almost impossible to tell the "players" from the "playas"

As foreign as it may seem to an outsider, IM(very)HO there are actually many "true believers" who are continually jumping ship looking for the elusive one that actually does live up to the hype and they're working their a***s off all the while.

Seriously?
09-21-2010, 10:23 PM
Cute little quips and one liners don't help, it just makes me wonder why I bothered asking here.

Sorry, I was serious. That's what they are selling. The opportunity. The product, if you can call it a product, is secondary and only there to make the business seem legit.

Ignore me. Everyone else here is much better than I with this stuff.

Undercover Brother
09-21-2010, 10:36 PM
So, Trey sees instant profit from bringing in McGrath, Dunn, and Dean, because their 2,500 person teams will instantly have to buy the start up kit, autoship, and website fees. Each of those 5,000 people spends $500 to start ($2.5 million) plus $150 per month ($600K/month). I can see why Trey and his executive team are excited...assuming they are not concerned with the moral and legal issues involved. Then there are other perks. Have you seen the list of people who have qualified for the Evolv car payment program? Its the people at the top of the pyramid.

Is it fair to assume that people on levels like Jack Weinzerl, Carlos Aponte, and Keith Dorsey have around 100 people in their respective teams? If so, does that mean they are spending about the same amount of dollars on autoship and promotional materials as they are taking in each month in commissions? Is their hope that the leaders at the top will place them higher on the pyramid, in the next big scheme? Why else would they continue to do this month after month and year after year? And why else would they fawn all over their leaders with daily Facebook and Twitter postings?

UB

Undercover Brother
09-21-2010, 10:41 PM
Sorry, I was serious.

Ignore me. Everyone else here is much better than I with this stuff.

No worries. I was frustrated that after a day I only received two responses, and neither addressed my questions. I have serious concerns about this business, and I've seen too many other threads get bogged down in semantics and one-liners, rather than tackling the issue.

I do appreciate your concern however, and I won't ignore you.

UB

Soapboxmom
09-21-2010, 10:54 PM
September 21, 2010 11:47 pm http://thatmlmbeat.com/files/avatars/44/7b5902cb12ed3ba0c72df491aaa47402-bpthumb.jpg by George Fourie (http://thatmlmbeat.com/members/georgefourie/)

Yoli Triple Diamond Distributor Carlos Aponte Jr. Moves To Carbon Copy Pro (http://thatmlmbeat.com/yoli-triple-diamond-distributor-carlos-aponte-jr-moves-to-carbon-copy-pro/)

Apr 27 2010 in Blog (http://thatmlmbeat.com/category/thatmlmbeat/), MLM News (http://thatmlmbeat.com/category/mlm/mlm-news/), mlm (http://thatmlmbeat.com/category/mlm/) by George Fourie (http://thatmlmbeat.com/members/georgefourie/)


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http://carlosapontejr.com/pics/carlos_aponte_MLM.jpgCarlos Aponte Jr (http://thatmlmbeat.com/members/carlosapontejr), 16-year network marketing professional who is known amongst his team as one of the first Triple Diamond distributors in Yoli, recently announced on a Youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1GmthIeFP4&feature=youtu.be&a) that he will no longer be building his Yoli network marketing business.
He stated that although Yoli is an excellent company, they are moving in a direction that he chooses not to be a part of at this point in time.
Carlos gracefully thanked and praised his team in one of his “keeping it real videos’ for helping him achieve such a great accomplishment in such a short period of time. He confessed that none of it would have been possible without their dedication and hard work.
Aponte also backed out of the Yoli cruise although he had qualified for it.
After doing a quick Google search on Carlos, I came across this press release (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/04/prweb3890184.htm) where Carlos announced his new venture with Carbon Copy Pro.
Carlos stated that “You put yourself in front of an audience of people who are or will soon be online entrepreneurs. People who are already looking for what you have to offer. You’re no longer prospecting but marketing – big difference.”
Carlos has built several MLM organizations that have generated millions in sales volume. His story was also featured in ‘Chicken Soup For The Network Marketers Soul.”


Notice how quickly Carlos jumps and dumps!


Ty Tribble was conveniently there to trash his competition:



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Yoli Terminates Triple Diamond, Carlos Aponte Jr. (http://mlmblog.net/2010/05/yoli-terminates-triple-diamond-carlos-aponte-jr.html)

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There is a very interesting back and forth at That MLM Beat (http://thatmlmbeat.com/yoli-triple-diamond-distributor-carlos-aponte-jr-moves-to-carbon-copy-pro/) about a Yoli termination. One of the comments that I found to be very interesting is that Carlos Aponte Jr. who was a Yoli Triple Diamond until terminated suggested that his income (at Triple Diamond) was barely covering his two BMW payments. (A suggestion somewhat disputed by Len Clements).
The comments section blows up into various topics including: Internet trolls, anti-MLM scam.com zealots and Yoli blast caps injuring children. Wild stuff.
Here are some clips:
Len Clements:

"Carlos was a "Triple Diamond" in Yoli because he was given a maxed power leg..."
Carlos Aponte Jr.:

"I was one of the main guys responsible for maxing out our powerleg. I still have (unless I was terminated for no reason) one of the biggest paylegs in the company and I built it with no handouts. I also have people hundreds of levels under me that hit Triple Diamond. Everyone knows i'm a real honest builder and great trainer in our profession."
and

"We are in business to make money and provide for our families.
When my Yoli check was barely covering my two bimmer payments it was time for me to go and I'm part of the top 5% of income earners."
Clements:

"There's also a lot more to the Carlos Apante story...He's also been terminated and not only is a civil case being brought against him there may likely even be criminal charges as well."
and

"There are a lot of things going on here that have not been made public. Obviously a top distributor doesn't get suspended or terminated because he posts a friendly goodby video. The real reasons Carlos is in trouble with Yoli have to do with things HE brought to the attention of someone who he absolutely should NOT have disclosed anything to. That person then forwarded the same information to several others. I was one of them.
Carlos needs to lay low for awhile. Its got to be tough for him to not respond if we all keep talking about him. Let's let him and Yoli work this out. Privately."


MLM smackdown is certainly a lovely thing in the public eye. UB, this should answer a lot of your questions.

Soapboxmom

Evolved
09-21-2010, 11:13 PM
If you are interested in knowing more about Trey White – aka Roscoe Frederick White III – it’s a story well worth enjoying.

In fact, the more that you know, the funnier it gets. I invite you to study all of the websites listed within this posting.

Here first let’s go to the Evolv website (http://evolvhealth.com/whatis.asp?co_la=US_EN):


EvolvHealth, LLC is a direct sales company developed by a team of scientists in conjunction with seasoned entrepreneurs, marketers and direct sellers. The team is led by the Founder and Chairman, Mr. Trey White.

Evolv’s slick website and over-the-top videos promote White as a visionary leader of historical business accomplishments. This introductory video produced by Evolv at found on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Dy-tTHTFE&feature=related) in particular furthers that purpose, as White states that he is only “weeks away from launching the next billion dollar company in network marketing.”

And another early-stage video found at YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFQfv0M6AKM) pretty much serves the same purpose -- to create the illusion of The Great Man.

In these videos, White describes himself as “a businessperson and serial entrepreneur from Dallas, Texas.” True enough. And he talks about his supposed past achievements in the DotCom Era as well as within the nationwide ethanol industry. The pitch is assured and convincing.

What knowing parties find most humorous about these clips is that manner by which White seems to encourage the touting by Evolvers of Trey White as a "billionaire." If you search either Google or YouTube for the term Trey White Evolv billionaire, just see what you get.

While never making the claim himself, you can see at this YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4a70rMKg0A) some Evolvers give Trey some much-needed street cred by styling him as a “billionaire.” More on point, watch this ridiculous video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGQcGW5ZsB8&feature=related) as Trey grins from ear to ear without any protest whatsoever as he is moronically introduced as a “multi-billionaire.”

Trey White is a lot of things, but he is a darn far sight from being a billionaire -- despite what he would want for you to believe.

(So check out these videos before White makes YouTube take them down!)

But that doesn't end the attempts to transform the reality of Trey White into something more grand and bulletproof. The welcome page of White's venture firm website at the White Ventures (http://www.whiteventures.com/index.html) grandeloquently heralds The Power Of Seeing The Future while trumpeting White's professional accomplishments as follows:


Trey White, CEO

Mr. White is Chairman and CEO of White Ventures, Ltd., a private equity company headquartered in Dallas , Texas . White Ventures controls and manages over $200+ million in assets through White Ventures and its affiliates. The company holds controlling interests in companies within these industries: real estate property, real estate development, manufacturing, technology, oil and gas and renewable fuels. Mr. White is also committed to investing in the production of renewable fuel sources both domestically and on a global basis. White Ventures' philosophy is to invest in forward thinking solutions where technology will accelerate and create exponential benefits and new markets in global economies.

Mr. White funded and co-founded HomeBuilder.com, the nation's largest MLS system for new homes and the official web site of the National Association of Homebuilders. He took the company public in 1999 as HomeStore.com with a market capitalization of $3 billion. Prior to a secondary stock offering, HomeStore reached a market cap of $10 billion with $350 million in revenues in 250 markets employing 3,000 nationwide. Mr. White serves on boards of several corporations.

Wow. Dynamic guy, right?

But if The Power Of Seeing The Future is only surpassed by The Power Of Seeing His Past.

Trey's past, that is.

Let's check out the reality to that statement above taken from White Ventures website, where White claimed in regard to HomeBuilder.com that “[h]e took the company public in 1999 as HomeStore.com with a market capitalization of $3 billion.”

And let's note that those were White’s words: and not anyone else’s.

The only problem with this tall tale is that when you check the records of the Securities Exchange Commission found here (http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=0001085770&type=&dateb=&owner=exclude&start=320&count=40) relating to the 1999 initial public offering of Homestore.com, it becomes apparent that White had no such role.

In fact, at this page at the SEC website (http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1085770/0000944209-00-000093.txt) one can review the final form of prospectus that was circulated concerning the Homestore.com IPO: which was required by law to essentially list every significant executive or stockholder of the Homestore firm involved in its going public process.

The name “Trey White” (or any mention of White under any of his other aliases) doesn’t appear anywhere in the document relating to the Homestore.com IPO.

NO WHERE.

In hilarious fact, when you run a search of this SEC document for the last name “White,” the only reference as a major stockholder of Homestore.com is someone named “Fred. R. White, Jr.” –- who is the FATHER of our own Frederick Roscoe "Trey" White III in question.)

So maybe Trey was running his Daddy.

Or maybe instead Trey was just running his mouth.

But the one thing that Trey White wasn’t running in 1999 was HomeStore.com, much less taking it public.[/b]

What ever happened to his involvement with “the fourth largest ethanol producer in North America?” A Dallas Business Journal story found here (http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2009/05/18/story11.html) tells you what happened to that ethanol producer during 2009 and just before the founding of EvolvHealth.

Strange that Trey doesn’t tell you about this bankruptcy when touting his involvement with this ethanol firm -- much less the reasons that he was jettisoned as that company's CEO less than a year before its Chapter 11 proceedings.

Now go back and listen to YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4a70rMKg0A) again. At the 2:50 mark of this clip, White emphatically talks about “my track record of building multi-billion dollar companies [and] taking companies public.”

What track record?

With what “multi-billion dollar companies” has Trey White been involved?

And what companies has Trey White taken public?

And has Trey White ever served any role with a multi-billion dollar public company?

We know about White's involvements with Homestore.com as well as White Energy.
But what about White's other claim to have started a number of companies during the course of his career as "a serial entrepreneur." Indeed, let's look at some of Trey's other initiatives.

For example, Trey hasn’t in recent years notably mentioned his involvement as the founder of Bridgeport Power, an electricity retailer in the Texas deregulated energy market that went defunct after a couple years of operations, leaving its customers stranded.

Similarly, Trey doesn’t much talk about Marlin Atlantis anymore and its series of planned residential community developments in Texas. Click on some of the webpages (http://www.marlinatlantis.com) that are supposedly maintained by Marlin Atlantis for its communities in supposed development -- such as Cross Oak Ranch or Esperanza Bourne -- to get a sense as to why Trey doesn't talk about these dormant efforts.

And what else does Trey White not talk about?

The fact that Trey White could not have served as a Director or senior executive of a publicly-traded company.

As Trey White is a convicted felon.

Indeed, White was convicted during 1988 under Texas criminal law in respect of a felony charge (Charge Number F-8588654) of Possession Of A Controlled Substance in Dallas County, Texas, with the judicial disposition of that offense on February 19, 1988. (For those interested in digging further, the TRS Entry ID Number of the case 7432423 and the Court Entry Status ID Number is 2798735.)

And now this former druggie turned business giant is selling neutraceuticals?

Beyond the drug charges, Trey's bio ignores the other conviction on White’s record involving a Class A Misdemeanor Assault To Cause Bodily Injury (Charge Number 964311301010) that was finalized in Harris County roughly a decade later on February 7, 1997. (The TRS Entry ID Number of the case 7432424 and the Tracking incident Number used by state law enforcement is 9002966768.)

Hell, Evolvers -- Trey White can't even vote!

And this guy is Your Great Leader?

GET REAL, TREY.

I DARE YOU TO TELL EVERYONE WHO YOU REALLY ARE.

Undercover Brother
09-22-2010, 08:17 AM
@Evolved, settle down. I believe this has already been posted without the psycho-caps and bold lettering. Subtlety is much more effective.

Picture a person coming to this site, because he/she really had an open mind, and wanted to know if Evolv was legit. (which is EXACTLY my story a year ago when I found scam.com) That person is reading some well thought out arguments on both sides, when WHAM!, he/she gets to yours, and lumps us all, who are questioning Evolv's future, into the Zealot/irrational side.

UB

Soapboxmom
09-22-2010, 08:47 AM
Good old friends to be sure!



Register of Actions
Case No. DC-92-01535
SEEGAR LAWRENCE B vs. WHITE ROSCOE F III ETAL§
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Case Type:CNTR CNSMR COM DEBTSubtype:NOTEDate Filed:01/29/1992Location:134th District Court
Party Information
Lead Attorneys
DEFENDANT
HORTON, BEBE SHELTON
DEFENDANT
HORTON, PAUL WAYNE
DEFENDANT
WHITE, ROSCOE F III
KENNETH W SLOAN
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** Confidential Phone Number ** PLAINTIFF
FF, SEEGAR, LAWRENCE B

KATHRYN J MURPHY
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Events & Orders of the Court......

Mr. multi-billionaire didn't or couldn't pay!

Seriously?
09-22-2010, 08:58 AM
No worries. I was frustrated that after a day I only received two responses, and neither addressed my questions. I have serious concerns about this business, and I've seen too many other threads get bogged down in semantics and one-liners, rather than tackling the issue.

I do appreciate your concern however, and I won't ignore you.

UB
Haha, we all have bad days - especially with these jokers.

Undercover Brother
09-22-2010, 08:59 AM
My first few questions concerned the people involved, and I think LRM and SBM did a pretty good job identifying them. My next few questions concern the product.

I think I saw on one of the intro videos that Evolv contracted a private label brand from a water bottler in Arkansas. There is also a GREAT video on Youtube of Robert Dean Jr. describing the spring water used as the finest in the world. (If you haven't watched all the Robert Dean Jr. Youtube videos, you are missing out on some great info. In one he tells a room of people that, "it doesn't matter who uses the water, even dogs, that it will increase your oxygen level.

Contracted Private Label:

1.) If Evolv has 5,000 members, and each is forced to buy 2 cases a month, that is 10,000 cases the bottler would have to produce. That is respectable, but small potatoes in the beverage world (consider the Dr. Pepper truck you just passed on I-35...it has 1,000 cases on it alone), unless you consider the dollars involved in a $55/case price. That said, it probably only takes the Arkansas bottler a day to produce all 10,000 cases.

I'm assuming the bottler has several other products to bottle in the month, and I'm assuming that Trey did not buy a separate bottling line for Evolv, which means there has to be some sort of scheduling at the plant. The easy way to handle this would be to shut down for a minute, and switch the label machine only..unless we are to believe that Evolv has some unique ingredients from the other waters being bottled at the plant. If that is the case, then they would have to switch or clean fill tanks as well. That being said, when is the Archea Active TM being mixed with the water? A.) Is it a powder or a liquid? B.) Is it contained in a vat? C.) Is it shipped to the bottler from a laboratory or can the bottler create it at the Arkansas plant? If a,b, or c is accurate, can I see a picture of what Archea Active TM looks like, before it is mixed in with the water?

2.) How often do Trey and/or his executive team travel to Arkansas to inspect the plant for quality? If they are just switching the labels, I can see how this wouldn't be necessary, but if you are to believe the mixing is crucial...to people's health and well-being (again, the Youtube videos of distributors claiming this product cures Cancer, etc. are amazing)...I would think he would want to be on site daily to make sure it is going perfectly. This however, would interfere with his busy schedule of constant recruitment. If Trey has someone on site, dedicated to quality control, is that a job posted on their company website, like their Communication Officers? Can any distributor set up an appointment, and visit the Arkansas Plant? I doubt this is permitted, because there is no way the guys at the factory would be able to explain how Evolv is different from the other waters they bottle each month.

Tough questions? They would be easy to answer for a legitimate water company.

UB

Soapboxmom
09-22-2010, 10:08 AM
From one of Trey's Divorce Docs:



RECITALS:

A. In connection with the dissolution of the marriage of Shannon Richardson ... and Roscoe Frederick White, III ...as reflected in divorce proceedings in Dallas County, Texas, under Cause No. 02-22148-038 , it was ordered and decreed, among other things, that trey pay Shannon the sum of $418,680.00, with such sum to be paid in monthly installments of $11,630.00 beginning December 1, 2003 ..... and it was further ordered and decreed that Trey shall have as his sole and separate property, the real estate and improvements at 4039 Dalgreen, Dallas....

B. The Shannon Debt is not secured by a deed of trust or other lien recorded upon the Dalgreen property......

So, this multi-billionaire gave his wife half of the value of the property and it was only 400 grand. This multi-billionaire had to pay her share of the property to her in installments. And, if Shannon had just freed herself from a multi-billionaire, wouldn't she be in all magazines being followed around as she lived the jet-setter lifestyle? Texas is a community property state. Unless they had a pre-nuptial agreement then she would get half. Half of billions is quite a bit!!!! This issue of Trey White's financial condition as he is in videos standing next to reps bragging he is a multi-billionaire should be explored!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGQcGW5ZsB8&feature=player_embedded

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
09-22-2010, 01:58 PM
Can I get some definitions and clarification as it pertains to Evolv:

1.) What does this mean: "Trey was the founder of Homestore.com, and when he took it public in 1999 it had a 10 billion dollar market cap." Does this mean that the company raised 10 billion in the stock market, by selling shares in the initial public offering, and that Trey had a large amount of shares he owned personally? If so, did he sell those shares for millions or billions? If so, wouldn't an Evolv's sales slide be more impressive if it said simply: Trey created Homestore.com and in 1999 he sold his interest/shares in the company for X amount? (That is if it was true) I personally couldn't care less about Trey's wealth, except that in the sales pitch to invest in Evolv, the company provided slides make a big deal about his wealth, and use it as a selling point on why one should invest in Evolv. I will admit that Trey's house in Dallas is very beautiful, but so is my next door neighbor's, and he recently was foreclosed upon. Jack Weinzerl's new neighbors might think he is well off...the point being; a nice house doesn't tell you everything.

2.) What is the difference between launch and pre-launch?

3.) What is autosurf?

4.) If 150 people will be successful in Evolv, can I assume that Carlos, Jack, Yvonne Berry, Keith Dorsey, Guy Metzger, and Len Clements will make the cut? Is it the ones you never hear about that lose all their money?

Thanks,

UB

Soapboxmom
09-22-2010, 04:37 PM
My heartfelt thanks to D Magazine for linking our humble thread here. I am honored that such a high caliber magazine is sending their valued readers our way.
Vincente Fox to Keynote for Dallas Felon’s Launch of Evolv in Mexico (http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2010/09/22/vincente-fox-to-keynote-for-dallas-felons-launch-of-evolv-in-mexico/)

Posted on September 22nd, 2010 2:22pm by Tim Rogers (timr@dmagazine.com)
Filed under Business (http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/category/business/), Crime (http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/category/crime/)
That headline is a bit much to digest, isn’t it? Let’s start with the Dallas felon. His name is Trey White. Or, if you prefer the name his momma gave him: Roscoe F. White III. Public records show that he pleaded guilty to felony possession of a controlled substance in 1985. Then, in 1997, he pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor assault charge. These things happen, though, right?

Now let’s move on to this stuff called Evolv. Trey/Roscoe is claiming he’s a billionaire, and he’s peddling a special bottled water called Evolv. You can watch a Channel 8 Story about it (http://www.wfaa.com/news/consumer/Pricey-water-claims-to-enhance--87736387.html). I haven’t tried to the stuff, so I can’t say whether it works or not. But let’s just say Trey/Roscoe White claims the stuff will not only help you heal from injury faster but it’ll get you better gas mileage, too. (I jest, but only slightly.) He also has said Evolv’s claims are backed by researched conducted by M.D. Anderson Cancer Center. That led to a lawsuit that Big Bob wrote about (http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2009/11/dallas-based_multi-level_marke.php) on Unfair Park. And you can learn more than you ever wanted to about Trey/Roscoe White and Evolv right here (http://www.realscam.com/f9/trey-whites-evolv-water-vs-world-renowned-md-anderson-cancer-center-86/).

But what about former Mexican President Vincente Fox? Well, on October 2, says here (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/2010/09/evolv-is-officially-open-for-business-in-mexico/), he’ll keynote a ceremony that will mark the launch of Evolv in Mexico.
They send us Topo Chico (http://www.topochico.com/). We send them Evolv. Advantage America.

Soapboxmom
09-22-2010, 05:32 PM
UB,

1) The market cap is the number of shares multiplied by the price per share. Of course, since Trey White was not an officer of the company when it was taken public then who gives a flip. Trey left right before the huge accounting scandal (http://www.law360.com/articles/163128)and was in fact involved in that litigation to some extent. A number of suits were filed related to the accounting scandal. Evolv tells its reps how Trey White's resources, assets and home are behind them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKMFwZdQMP0

That sure didn't keep any of his other debacles afloat.

2) Only these screwball MLMs have pre-enrollment, pre-launch and launch. It is all nonsense. Either the company is open for business or not. Of course, they brag of it being a ground floor opportunity because everyone knows only the owners, early entrants and a rare recruiter from hell will ever make any money, so the game is almost over before it begins.

3) I think you meant autoship. That means the rep is signed up to receive the product automatically each month and have their account drafted or credit card charged automatically. Many of these companies sell 50-90% or more of their products to reps. They are often required to be on autoship to participate in the compensation plan. So, the company doesn't have real customers, but rather reps that are desperately trying to make money and recoup their own investments (which at least 97% in a typical MLM will fail to do.)

4) A few of the heavy hitters will make big money, but many just talk the talk and constantly jump and dump these deals in rapid fire succession trying to find "the one"

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
09-22-2010, 08:05 PM
In my experience, it's probably better to consider NOTHING being said by the company as being "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" until proven otherwise.

Anyone involved in the AdSurf Daily scam realizes only too well that the internet age makes it easier than ever to successfully "fool all the people some of the time, and even fool some of the people all of the time"

What does anyone "really, really" know to be entirely true about "Evolv" ???

To my mind, there are WAY more questions than there are answers.

Well, answers I'd be inclined to believe, anyway.

Undercover Brother
09-22-2010, 08:43 PM
Did this ever happen?

Giving
Evolv Ready to Help in Haiti

Press Release
1.17.2010

The Evolv team is gearing up to provide humanitarian assistance for victims of Tuesday's devastating earthquake in Haiti. Trey has allocated 43,000 bottles of Evolv for shipment to Haiti as soon as possible and the team is currently in discussions with representatives of rescue groups about logistics.

Says Trey, "We're in a position to provide something these people truly need. We have been so moved by the tragedy unfolding in Haiti, we knew we had to do something to help."

Our team's primary challenge at the moment is the lack of available infrastructure to get supplies to the island. The earthquake has rendered the port in the capital unusable and bottlenecks at Port-au-Prince's airport have constricted the amount of supplies coming into the country. We are working with professionals to get water to the victims as soon as possible.

Our efforts to make some positive impact on this horrible event is in line with our "Give-Share-Evolv" philosophy. We will keep you updated as we have news to share.

Saying you're philanthropic doesn't make it so. If you have a convenient excuse about how the red tape prevented you from doing so, then please cite another example of giving. "We quit MLM in 2009, but then we found Evolv. They had me at give" Helping 100 families pay their mortgage by signing them up in your down-line doesn't count either, because losing $150/month doesn't pay the mortgage.

UB

Soapboxmom
09-22-2010, 09:16 PM
UB,

I would love to know the answer to your question myself. I don't know if any bottles of water actually reached Haiti. I would certainly hope Evolv honored its word on that.

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
09-22-2010, 09:27 PM
If they couldn't get through the red tape with the water, perhaps they sent the cash. I believe according to their pricing this would be about $125,000. If they wanted to go by the actual cost to produce 43,000 bottles of Evolv, they may have sent $430.

Brent Hicks was proclaimed by Trey to be an expert in philanthropy. If he can show a canceled check for $430 to Red Cross dated before September 21st, I will stop posting on this site.

If this was a real company, and these were real employees, this would have to be a major embarrassment.

UB

Soapboxmom
09-22-2010, 09:54 PM
UB,

LOL!!!!! I have been watching for pictures of those thousands of bottles being handed out to the Haitians in need and have yet to see one.

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
09-23-2010, 09:53 AM
Here is another of my favorite people stuck in myopia. She is commenting on the free car program Evolv has set up for the people at the top of the pyramid. Garret has convinced her that it is SOOOOO easy to qualify, so she is trying to convince her Facebook friends of the same. Sorry Shanna, that carport won't be getting a new car anytime soon, as your name isn't on the list. However, if you continue to suck up, perhaps they will place you higher on the next pyramid?? Evolv Soap? Manufactured in the hills of Tennessee, this soap touches the Area Active TM formula for a predetermined amount of time. Then it sits in a silo, until it is ready to be shipped out to Evolvers across the world.


Shanna McDonald
Shanna McDonald I Love Queen, I love this video!! AND I LOVE how easy Evolv makes it for people to get one. Guess Ryan and I are gonna have to tear down our carport, and build a garage. Can't very well park my Bently in a carport. I cant believe how easy it is to qualify.
Your BRAND-NEW Mercedes-Benz (or Bentley) is waiting... [HQ]
How would it feel to drive home in YOUR OWN NEW BENZ or BENTLEY... compliments of Evolv?!? Turn your speakers WAAAY up, sit back, and enjoy the ride!!!!!!!!!
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People like Shana are the ones you have to feel sorry for...Don't you?

littleroundman
09-23-2010, 07:55 PM
People like Shana are the ones you have to feel sorry for...Don't you?

That's the bit many people can't or won't understand.

IM(very)HO as hard as it may be to believe, there truly ARE genuine "true believers" who are going to be hardest hit when the inevitable end comes, PARTICULARLY if there's a religious element involved.

Undercover Brother
09-23-2010, 10:22 PM
I'm sure Shanna thinks she is doing the right thing. I think Anne knows she is doing the wrong thing:

by Anne Bodak Smith - VP of Sales
September 23, 2010 | 1:17 pm

There are 7 days left to reach the Top 50 in September! Currently, 14 points are needed to reach the Top 50.

If you’re looking for a fun way to end out the month and win some additional prizes, you can enter into our 24/Seven Club where you could win an Evolv Executive Pen, a branded HD Flip Video Camera or an Apple iPad!

The 24/Seven Club is a simple, fun and rewarding way to build your Evolv Business Units, the new concept in building your business in 90 day cycles. Simply share a quad pack of Evolv, the Evolv Your Life DVD and the Evolv Life Plan Presentation, and set a goal to see 24 people in 7 days. Making a 7 day blitz on your Evolv business can help you create the momentum to explode your Evolv business and could get you qualified to compete in the “Million Reasons to Evolv” Challenge at the November 2020 Vision Convention. To find out more about creating your Evolv Business Units, see our blog.

The most expensive Flip Camera I could find on the internet was $200. For an Evolv distributor (Like Shanna) to win one, she first has to buy 216 bottles of Evolv ($648, plus shipping) a DVD ($50), and at least one hour of her time selling (worthless). Can you distribs hear that? It's Trey laughing at you.

UB

Whip
09-23-2010, 11:05 PM
Well, that's if she wins one.

Undercover Brother
09-24-2010, 08:09 AM
Well, that's if she wins one.

I think the 24/7 challenge is set up like a Chuck E. Cheese. The parents spend $50 on tokens, to win 100 tickets, to exchange for a stuffed animal that could have been purchased at WalMart for $3.00

But Undercover Brother...you aren't taking into account the fun and excitement and sense of accomplishment that went into "winning" that stuffed animal.

So tell me Evolv distrib...how much fun was your $47 game of skee-ball that lasted 8 minutes?????

UB

Soapboxmom
09-24-2010, 09:48 AM
Just think what a circus show "damage control" could turn out to be! How will the spin doctors at Evolv twist around that fine article in D Magazine that linked right back here?

Fun, fun , fun.........

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
09-24-2010, 11:55 AM
I think the D Magazine article was great, and will hopefully bring a little more attention to this scam. Unfortunately, I think the only person roped into Evolv that reads these forums is Jack Weinzerl. And no way is he going to tell his new friends about the thread, lest they figure out what a liability he is, and cut him loose.

I don't think the people in TOP GUN can read, so they won't be here.

I've come to the conclusion that the Evolv distributors most likely have their head buried in the sand, and that is just how Trey, Brent, Garret, Robert Dean, Kenn Dunn, and Anne want it.

UB

littleroundman
09-24-2010, 12:29 PM
I've come to the conclusion that the Evolv distributors most likely have their head buried in the sand, and that is just how Trey, Brent, Garret, Robert Dean, Kenn Dunn, and Anne want it.
UB

You're entirely correct in your assessment.

However, one really good thing with these over the top B/S MLMs is, "you can fool some of the people all the time and all of the people some of the time, BUT.................................

With no "real" product to speak of, by their very nature, money games are guaranteed to self implode.

IM(very)HO in the grand scheme of things, this one will do relatively little damage to a relatively few people.

Even with the current dumbing down of society, odourless, colourless, tasteless, scientifically unproven, high priced water of indeterminate origin being spruiked by snake oil salesmen of dubious character ????

I mean, P-U-H-L-E-A-S-E

They sure are amusing to make fun of, though

Undercover Brother
09-24-2010, 02:14 PM
Evolv MMA

This weeks MLM News report is sponsored by Evolv MMA, founded by Tra & Tanna Telligman. Tra “Trauma” Telligman, is known through the MMA world as a man of honor, and one tough fighter. Tra & Tanna have never been in network marketing before, and did not join Eolv because of some money story they heard. As a matter of fact, they were drinking the Evolv water long before joining the company as distributors. Here is Tra’s testimonial.

“Being a professional MMA fighter for over 14 years, I found myself living on Ibuprofen. I called it my vice ~ without it I could not have continued to fight for as long as I did. I couldn’t even get out of bed without taking two Ibuprofen…it became as normal as brushing my teeth. Now that I have been drinking Evolv, I no longer need my daily dose of Ibuprofen. I can’t tell you what a huge deal this is for me and my quality of life! That’s when I realized that Evolv was the real deal! It also when I realized that I wanted to share this product with everyone I possibly could.

Question:

Please define "Long Before", as it pertains to your story in paragraph 1.
You credit Ibuprofen as factor to your longevity as an MMA fighter, and you imply that Evolv has replaced that "vice". If I follow the time-line of your career, as based on the above, and the video that accompanies it, would it be fair to say that you had to quit your fighting career "shortly" after making the switch from Ibuprofen to Evolv?

Side note: No, I would not say this to your face. : )

UB

Soapboxmom
09-24-2010, 06:55 PM
D Magazine published this today:


Correction: The headline of this post originally called Trey White a felon. He is not. Though he did plead guilty to the charge, White explains that he was not convicted, telling me through his PR rep: “I am not, nor have I ever been, a felon. Twenty five years ago, during my high school prom, I made a mistake. The charge against me was dismissed in its entirety through deferred adjudication. Attached is my official Dallas County public record. It’s unfortunate that there has been an attempt to discredit me prior to the launch of Evolv Mexico. I have devoted my life to creating opportunities through leadership and entrepreneurship and will continue to do so.”

I don't think his criminal past is going to be his biggest hurdle. His claims of being a multi-billionaire and ultra succesful businessman may well be his undoing.

Mike Healy (http://www.whoismikehealy.com/)


A private meeting with a few of us in Dallas just a few weeks ago gave us some incredible insight as to the plans billionaire Trey White has for Evolv (http://myevolvsystem.com/mikehealy/business?business=original). One of the most incredible things is seeing the transparency of a man who has taken multiple companies to billions of dollars in sales. His passion to see people win with Evolv (http://myevolvsystem.com/mikehealy/business?business=original) is evident in this short speech and why so many people looking to make a positive change in their finances are joining Evolv (http://myevolvsystem.com/mikehealy/business?business=original) and the Evolv Life Team (http://myevolvsystem.com/mikehealy/business?business=original).

http://www.realscam.com/f9/trey-whites-evolv-water-vs-world-renowned-md-anderson-cancer-center-86/index2.html#post3271

http://www.realscam.com/f9/trey-whites-evolv-water-vs-world-renowned-md-anderson-cancer-center-86/index2.html#post3299


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGQcGW5ZsB8&feature=player_embedded

Soapboxmom

TLGD
09-24-2010, 07:26 PM
A statement from Mr. White:
I am not, nor have I ever been, a felon. Twenty five years ago, during my high school prom, I made a mistake. The charge against me was dismissed in its entirety. A search of the official Dallas County public record will prove this (see below). It’s unfortunate that there has been an attempt to discredit me prior to the launch of Evolv Mexico. I have devoted my life to creating opportunities through leadership and entrepreneurship and will continue to do so.”

Gary Fitzsimmons, Dallas Co. District Clerk
Felony Record Search
133 N. Riverfront Blvd., Box 12
Dallas, Texas 75207-4313

Dallas County
District Clerk
Gary Fitzsimmons

Re: Subject: White Roscoe F III

D.O.B. 05/09/67


I, Gary Fitzsimmons, Clerk of the District Criminal Courts of Dallas County, Texas, Do hereby certify that the district criminal court indexes of Dallas County, Texas have been searched, and we are unable to locate any charges or convictions filed against the above subject during and including the year of 1973 thru 21, January, 2010.

The undersigned does not assume any liability for omission or error in the above statement.

Witness my hand and seal of office this 22th day of January, 2010.

Gary Fitzsimmons, District Clerk
Of Dallas County, Texas
By:

Seal

Soapboxmom
09-24-2010, 07:33 PM
The Texas Department of Safety says:



NAME
DPS NUMBER
SEX
RACE
DATE OF BIRTH
CCH
SOR
NBF
WHITE,ROSCOE F III
03501841
MALE
WHITE
05/09/1967
VIEW (https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/DPS_WEB/Cch/Application/Batch/individual.aspx?BatchID=1447431&SearchID=5957232&IND_IDN=7445772#SID-5957232-7445772)






WHITE,ROSCOE F III (SID: 03501841)

SEX
RACE
ETHNICITY
HEIGHT
WEIGHT
EYES
HAIR COLOR
DL NUMBER
FBI#
DLU
MALE
WHITE

602
185
BLUE
Blond or Strawberry


12/8/2005
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WHITE,ROSCOE F III (Primary)
WHITE,ROSCOE F
WHITE,ROSCOE FREDERICK
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05/09/1967 (Primary)

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DATE OF ARREST
SEQUENCE CODE
TRACKING NUMBER
AGENCY DESCRIPTION
11/06/1996
A
9002966768
HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT
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Arrest Date: 11/06/1996



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DATE OF ARREST
11/06/1996

SEQUENCE CODE
A

TRACKING NUMBER
9002966768

AGENCY DESCRIPTION
TXHPD0000 ( HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT )




CHARGE

TRACKING SUFFIX
A001




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127271396

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13990001 ( ASSAULT CAUSES BODILY INJ )

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22.01(A)(1)

LEVEL AND DEGREE OF OFFENSE
MA ( MISDEMEANOR - CLASS A )

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09/29/1996

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206 ( BAIL/RELEASED ON OWN RECOGNIZANCE )

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11/06/1996

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TX101015A ( DISTRICT ATTORNEYS OFFICE HOUSTON )




PROSECUTION DETAIL

AGENCY DESCRIPTION
TX101015A ( DISTRICT ATTORNEYS OFFICE HOUSTON )

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A ( PROSECUTOR ACCEPTS THE CHARGE )

PROSECUTOR OFFENSE
13990001 ( ASSAULT CAUSES BODILY INJ )

PROSECUTOR OFFENSE CITATION
22.01(A)(1)

LEVEL AND DEGREE PROSECUTED
MA ( MISDEMEANOR - CLASS A )




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COURT SEQUENCE
a

AGENCY DESCRIPTION
TX101393J ( COUNTY CRIMINAL COURT AT LAW NO 9 HOUSTON )

COURT OFFENSE
13990001 ( ASSAULT CAUSES BODILY INJ )

CITATION
22.01(A)(1)

LEVEL AND DEGREE OFFENSE
MA ( MISDEMEANOR - CLASS A )

COURT DISPOSITION
310 ( CONVICTED )

COURT DISPOSITION DATE
02/07/1997

DATE OF SENTENCE/STATUS
02/07/1997

CAUSE NUMBER
964311301010

FINAL PLEADING
C ( NO CONTEST OR NOLO CONTENDERE )

COURT CONFINEMENT
4D

COURT FINE
400

AGENCY RECEIVING CUSTODY
TX1010000

MULTIPLE SENTENCES CODE
CC ( CONCURRENT )


Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-24-2010, 09:04 PM
D Magazine's version:


Correction: The headline of this post originally called Trey White a felon. He is not. Though he did plead guilty to the charge, White explains that he was not convicted, telling me through his PR rep: “I am not, nor have I ever been, a felon. Twenty five years ago, during my high school prom, I made a mistake. The charge against me was dismissed in its entirety through deferred adjudication. Attached is my official Dallas County public record. It’s unfortunate that there has been an attempt to discredit me prior to the launch of Evolv Mexico. I have devoted my life to creating opportunities through leadership and entrepreneurship and will continue to do so.”

A statement from Mr. White:

I am not, nor have I ever been, a felon. Twenty five years ago, during my high school prom, I made a mistake. The charge against me was dismissed in its entirety. A search of the official Dallas County public record will prove this (see below). It’s unfortunate that there has been an attempt to discredit me prior to the launch of Evolv Mexico. I have devoted my life to creating opportunities through leadership and entrepreneurship and will continue to do so.
Trey White conveniently leaves out a lot of details. He got nailed for felony possession and pled guilty in high school and the deferred explains why I found nothing in Dallas or on the Texas Department of Public Safety search. Trey glossed over the Class A misdemeanor assualt. Very convenient he didn't remember that criminal charge, isn't it!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-24-2010, 10:18 PM
http://www.hcdistrictclerk.com/Images/seal_xsmall.gif 964311301010 - The State of Texas vs. WHITE, ROSCOE FREDERICK (Court 9)
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Court Details Court 9th Address 1201 Franklin (Floor: 10)
Houston, TX 77002
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Soapboxmom
09-29-2010, 05:06 PM
Testimonials


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Hear what people are saying about Evolv.

"I have been drinking 2 or 3 bottles per day for a week and my energy level boosted up and increased my focus and mental energy level as I worked to sort/load the heavy packages in the warehouse of UPS. Thanks again for giving me a drink that has given me more energy in the last few days than I thought could be possible."
- Robert Megyesi


"When you and Marshall introduced the new 'water project' you were going to be a part of and asked me if I would test for you based on the verified claims from MD Anderson, I was excited to have a natural healthy beverage to support my overall health. I have now been drinking the water for about 6 weeks on a daily basis and have experienced a dramatic change in my overall well-being.

"I have felt more energetic and have resumed many activities that I have not felt up to doing for the past couple of years. Thank you for allowing me to 'test' this new product for your company. One concern...how can I obtain more of this incredible water!!!"

- Mary Malkowski


"I was in the paint contracting business for 32 years. All those years of heavy lifting and climbing ladders, etc. really took their toll on my knees and shoulders. After only about 3 days of drinking Evolv my wife noticed I slept through the entire night and did not have any discomfort! She is very, very happy and I love feeling like a whole new man!"
- John Haynes


"Upon my first sip I felt the oxygen going through my body. All that day it was like I was in overdrive. I usually am kind of ho-hum and laid back kind of dragging. I took one bottle and that day a friend of mine (over the phone) said 'boy it sounds like you are in a good mood, what's up'. Nothing must be the new water, it has me feeling so good more upbeat, I enjoyed that."
- Ivy, TX


"Hope this note finds you well! I was just chatting with a networking friend Joe Chris Sparks here in Dallas and when I mentioned Evolv. He said his older brother Robert Sparks is in the O&G business, knows you quite well, and he had loved the product. Joe also said that he had tried just 1 bottle of Evolv, raved about the 'energizing' effect for nearly 5 minutes, and that he could hardly wait to get his hands on more. So obviously the product is a huge hit!"
- Hunter Elam PhD


"My name is Barry Griffin. I am a retired veterinarian with sales experience in a family business. I have been drinking the product on a regular basis for over 2 years now. I feel so much stronger than I did when I was in my 40's. I attribute this to the water. You can imagine that the water is a constant part of my diet. The water is used to make coffee, tea, Crystal Light, and by itself. I drink a quart to 2 quarts daily and my biggest aggravation is how cumbersome it has been to ship the product or make it available to friends and family outside Houston. To say the least we are pumped about getting Evolv to this point and look forward to marketing it.

"I look forward to sharing more stories with you in the near future."
- Barry R. Griffin DVM


"At 17,600 feet, oxygen is one thing you miss with every breath in. We took the Evolv flag to the Pin Parvati Pass in Himachal Pradesh in a remote part of India's Himalayan Mountains for a number of reasons. First, it becomes abundantly clear how much oxygen is a life giving force. As you climb, the tree line gives away to minimal growth (less oxygen means less life). Go high enough and sustained life is not possible. Oxygen is something we take for granted. Yet, the more of it you can take in, the more fully you can live life."
- Vince Poscente


"It's official. I drank half of a bottle of Evolv and watched the blood oxygen meter raise from 96% to 99% in less than 5 minutes. I also performed the test on two other friends from the gym with similar results."
- Jason Fraser


"I will be 60 in September and have been struggling with energy levels and fatigue. I am not sure how other people use the drink, but I have been drinking one bottle every morning for 7 days and my energy level is amazing - along with an increased focusing and mental energy level. Thanks again for giving me a drink that has given me more energy in the last 7 days than I thought possible."
- R.S.











What verified claims from MD Anderson, Scammers????

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
09-29-2010, 09:38 PM
Tra Telligman: Founding member of Evolv. His track record as a business owner is pretty funny. Below is his LinkedIn profile for a company he claims to own and his wife is VP. My two favorite parts are 1.) This company doesn't have a website, but it's "highly reputable". 2.) They have the founded date as 2002, but the description says 16 years of experience. Either Tra is punchy, from his MMA career, or he just copied his LinkedIn profile from his friend Jason Fraser's Frasercon website. I'm leaning towards copying, as they are almost verbatim.

TRACON VENTURES, LTD. is a highly reputable construction company committed to excellence through delivering a consistently superior product to our client base. With over 16 years of experience in the industry, Tracon has worked with some of the top builders, developers and general contractors in the Dallas/ Fort Worth Metroplex and its surrounding areas.

We pride ourselves of our extensive list of satisfied, repeat clients. We are able to deliver high-quality construction work at a lower cost than most competitors given that we can accomplish most of our work with our own company invested capital in equipment and regular employees.

Tracon's scope of work can vary quite extensively and is project specific; but in general includes all hardscape, such as (but not limited to) brick and stone screening walls, concrete flatwork, concrete footings and piers, wrought iron fencing, and entry features.

Is it coincidence or ironic that they both use "con" in their company names? Alannis Morrisette and I have trouble with the definition of ironic.

UB

Undercover Brother
09-29-2010, 10:06 PM
From the pages of Facebook only moments ago...

Jack Weinzierl: I have received several inquiries about Evolv today. Yes, we are committed to Evolv 100%. It is the ONLY product that we represent. We believe in the product and this incredible team of servant leaders at corporate and at Team Inspirit. We have also shifted to simplify our business to focus on giving and sharing evolv ...to change people's lives, one person at a time. For those who share a similar passion, click on our site on the left or the video below.

Per the interview questions, I am interviewing for corporate positions in the social media and SEO space, as helping clients with their brand and lead generation is something that I am very passionate about. I have been doing this for clients for years, but simply desire to be part of a team of committed leaders in that space.

Another one bites the dust???? The same week that the Evolv leaders are driving off in their new Mercedes? It has got to hurt knowing your auto-ship dollars helped pay for their cars. Or maybe your dollars went to help in Haiti? Well, there are pictures of the new cars all over Facebook and Evolv's blog, but no pictures of Evolv water in Haiti, so I'm going to say you helped buy Jim Lutes his new car. I'm sure he appreciates it.

UB

Soapboxmom
09-29-2010, 10:35 PM
Entity Information: TRACON VENTURES, LTD.
2621 BARR DR
BEDFORD, TX 76021-4746
Status:NOT IN GOOD STANDING
Registered Agent:TELLIGMAN LANCE TRACY
2621 BARK
BEDFORD, TX 76021
Registered Agent
State of Formation:TXFile Number:0800394154 SOS
Registration Date:September 24, 2004
Taxpayer Number:32035533473

Officer/Director Information Not on File for:

TRACON VENTURES, LTD.
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That is 6 years, not 16 and it is not in good standing. MLM is an industry loaded with liars cons and cheats!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
09-29-2010, 10:42 PM
Manta.com and the Better Business Bureau have no records at all on Tracon Ventures.

This Web site coming soon (http://www.traconventures.com/)

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Undercover Brother
09-30-2010, 07:16 AM
87

Pick me! I love guessing games. What do these guys have in common?

1.)They were are all retired BEFORE Evolv's inception.
2.)None of them have permission from Dana White (UFC owner, and No relation to Trey White) to use the UFC logo to promote the water.
3.)Scammers

UB

Soapboxmom
09-30-2010, 04:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvuCF1YOvcg&NR=1
Gee, what a surprise! Trey White's personal friends were the first ones to get the Mercedes "carrots" being dangled in front of the thousands of people losing money in this deal. All the money flows upward and look who got it. Michelle Fraser and Larry Seegar (who sued Roscoe / Trey in Dallas District court by the way) are living the life of the rich and famous at the expense of thousands of reps paying in to this bum deal. The early entrants once again strike pay dirt!

Evolv Wealth Health Water | Job (http://www.evolvwealth.com/#/how_did_we_come_to_know_evolv)?


http://www.evolvwealth.com/#/main

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
09-30-2010, 06:56 PM
Did Shanna win one?

Undercover Brother
09-30-2010, 07:52 PM
Back to the video:

Larry sums it all up with his unscripted speech; You need to learn about Archea Active TM..We are giving away these cars.

How do MLMer's not understand that they are the You and Trey's friend's are the We? BUT, don't be mislead, Trey and Evolv didn't buy his friends the cars...You did.

UB

Undercover Brother
09-30-2010, 08:09 PM
But wait Evolvers, Trey will be giving away more of your auto-ship dollars in November when he announces another friend wins the 1 million dollar promotion he and Brent are currently boasting. Will it be Garret McGrath, Robert Dean, or Kenn Dunn? Don't you get it? You are paying that million.

I think there is a You Tube video where Trey says the prize will be paid in annuities over the next 20 years. If/when Evolv goes bankrupt in three years, will the balance be considered unsecured debt, and Trey will be relieved of this obligation? Because it will be a friend who wins, I don't think this is a big deal, but I want to know the answer none the less.

UB

littleroundman
09-30-2010, 09:02 PM
I think there is a You Tube video where Trey says the prize will be paid in annuities over the next 20 years. If/when Evolv goes bankrupt in three years, will the balance be considered unsecured debt, and Trey will be relieved of this obligation?
UB

Three years ????

That's a bit ambitious, isn't it ???

Does anyone really believe Evolv, in its' present form, will be around in ONE year, much less three years ???

The next interesting questions to be answered are: "how much WATER are members really selling and how much of their income is being derived from the recruiting and/or ponzi aspects of their business"

Soapboxmom
09-30-2010, 09:18 PM
What is Evolv? Water & MLM Business (http://www.evolvhealth.info/what-is-evolv/)

http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/86de3542682caa18916fbdb1b3253a29?s=44&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a 11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D44&r=G (http://www.realscam.com/) Soapboxmom (http://www.realscam.com/) September 30, 2010 at 10:58 am (http://www.evolvhealth.info/what-is-evolv/#comment-226) There is a wealth of information and lively discussion on realscamdotcom. Trey White’s alleged multi-billionaire status is addressed there as well as his business exploits. We also have some great info on the “zero water” such as it is. Some of the top reps and their MLM adventures are also brought to light.

http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/11a3e7b939175ae7e7f5a126158e1e28?s=44&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a 11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D44&r=G evolv-health September 30, 2010 at 11:27 am (http://www.evolvhealth.info/what-is-evolv/#comment-227) If you post again here, it’ll be marked as SPAM. We really try to allow anything to be posted at EvolvHealth.info, but you are obviously on a mission. As for our mission… this site is for sale. http://www.evolvhealth.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

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One little post from sweet little Mom here and the site is up for sale. The Titanic seems to be talking on a lot of regular water.

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
09-30-2010, 11:30 PM
As for our mission… this site is for sale. http://www.evolvhealth.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
Soapboxmom

That sentence will mean nothing to anyone not fluent in "MLMspeak"

It translates roughly into: "We haven't made a brass razoo and are trying to find a sucker to buy the website so we can at least get back some of the thousands of dollars it's cost us to be associated with Evolv"

Soapboxmom
10-01-2010, 03:53 PM
The average guy in Evolv who just happens to be addicted and in need of a brain transplant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o66GEdduiY&feature=related
Boy, if he wasn't the brain trust of the century!

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-01-2010, 05:59 PM
2 bottles a day= 3 cases a month = $200 for bottled water. Not too smart.

PS-Why won't his wife hold the camera for him? I mean, if Evolv is "increasing his testosterone, and making him feel like a man", shouldn't she repay the favor, and not make him hold up his own camera. C'mon average guy wife...show some support.

UB

littleroundman
10-01-2010, 08:26 PM
2 bottles a day= 3 cases a month = $200 for bottled water. Not too smart.

PS-Why won't his wife hold the camera for him? I mean, if Evolv is "increasing his testosterone, and making him feel like a man", shouldn't she repay the favor, and not make him hold up his own camera. C'mon average guy wife...show some support.

UB

It's very hard to roll around on the ground laughing hysterically AND hold a camera still at the same time.

Soapboxmom
10-01-2010, 09:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvuCF1YOvcg

http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl3z5WfW.gif
larryseegar (http://www.youtube.com/user/larryseegar) | September 29, 2010 Founder and Co-Founder of Evolv Trey White and Brent Hicks Officially present Larry Seegar and Michelle Fraser with Keys to their new Mercedes compliments of Evovl
Adding comments has been disabled for this video.

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Scammer, Larry Seegar, has disabled comments for his videos. I think folks should be asking him about the suit he filed against Roscoe / Trey White, his new Mercedes ( only he and Trey White friend Michelle Fraser got one) and the multi-billionaire status of his long time friend, Trey. He mentions Jonathan Gilliam in his videos as well. Perhaps, he will share the real reason Jonathan Gilliam bailed and how the suit with MD Anderson is going.

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-02-2010, 08:32 AM
Anne Bodak Smith - VP of Sales
October 1, 2010 | 5:22 pm

Congratulations to the September Top 50! This group of Evolvers have been entered into the Million Reasons to Evolv 2010 Convention competition on November 4-6, 2010. Congrats to the 4 Evolvers who have made the Top 50 for all four months (June-September) (*).


If you didn’t make the list this month, October is the final month to qualify for your chance to win the $1,000,000 prize! Remember you can earn points by enrolling new Members, helping your personal enrollees rank advance, or achieving a new rank yourself! To participate in the contest you must opt-in through your eCenter.

1. Floyd Brown (129) 24/Seven Gold Club Member
2. Gale Bilodeau (115) 24/Seven Gold Club Member
3. Nereida Sosa (94)
4. Ken Farrow (92)
5. Gerald Washington (64) 24/Seven Club Participant
6. Jackie Spelay (62) 24/Seven Club Participant
7. Teresa Peters (59) (*)
8. Clyde Jackson (56)
9. Vean III & Melissa Simon (49)
10. Fernando Camareno (48)
11. Shelley Hager (48) 24/Seven Club Participant
12. Ana Teresa Jimenez Shagun (46)
13. Gabriel Aliaga Guerra (46)
14. Jonathan Manjarres Taborda (44)
15. Ken Dunn (43) (*)
16. Nicolas Duchesne (43)
17. Barbara Bustillo (41)
18. HBBG (41)
19. Luz R. Garcia (41)
20. Option F.D (39)
21. Grand Village Management (37) (*)
22. Suzanne Musolino (34)
23. Delia Coronado Chura (31)
24. Joe Putegnat (31)

If this were a gambling site, my money would be on #15 Kenn Dunn. I like the way a bunch of no-names are included to give the illusion that anyone has a chance. We will see. If it isn't Garrett, Ken Dunn, Jim Lutes, or Robert Dean, I will stop posting.

UB

Undercover Brother
10-02-2010, 08:58 AM
YouTube - Evolv Health Robert Dean Jr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BjBlMIJLAg)

Trey is almost the #2 leader in Ethenol production.
Trey is a major donor to the Boys and Girl Scouts
Trey delivered 1,000 cases of water to Haiti.

Documented facts. Suck it doubters! Wait, whose side am I on?

UB

Undercover Brother
10-02-2010, 09:15 AM
YouTube - Lawrence Young SuperStar Seeker ~ Superstar Maker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROkuGmdXcHk&feature=related)

4:15 -People will be earning $1,000,000.00 per week with this comp plan. (why would Jonathan Gillam and Jack Weinzerl quit now?????)

5:33 -Evolv will have 1,000,000,000 reps in 2 years. (Not counting Tony Trust and anyone else who came to their senses this year)

UB

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10-02-2010, 04:07 PM
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I want to thank Ron Bloomingkemper for contacting me. I hope he will feel welcome here. I received a very lengthy e-mail where he did admit he wasn't a "huge fan of MLMs." However, since he is obviously actively promoting the Evolv pyramid scheme I will keep my answers to him here for the public and politely request that he share his information about the product here as well.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
10-02-2010, 09:38 PM
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After years of research and with many others trying the water with virtually universal positive results, it was presented to M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas, for considerations of its merits. Their laboratory researched the chemical and pharmacological basis for the water’s almost universal positive effects.
The rest is history and a product was born.

That is quite a story and not what MD Anderson is saying. These clowns, including Ron Bloomingkemper who sent me the information about that site, need to read the lawsuit filed by MD Anderson.

M.D. Anderson Sues Over Water - Houston News Story - KPRC Houston (http://www.click2houston.com/news/22524828/detail.html)


But ask leaders at M.D. Anderson about the water, and they're not promoting it. They're taking Evolv to court.

"We shouldn't be trying to create an image with folks that are patients or family members that are patients that there is some endorsement when there's not," said Dan Fontaine, a senior vice president for business affairs at M.D. Anderson. "That's just not right."

The University of Texas regents and M.D. Anderson are suing Evolv and HealtH20, the manufacturer of the water. The lawsuit claims the companies are misusing the M.D. Anderson name and misleading consumers.

"Our greatest concern is that people may be confused to what our role actually was," Fontaine said.

M.D. Anderson's federal lawsuit claims Evolv is "basically city of Houston tap water that has been infused with HealtH20's Archea Active formula."

The cancer center says it was paid to perform preliminary tests for the water, but that's it.

M.D. Anderson says no human tests were done and there's no endorsement.

The Motion for Expedited Discovery states:

Defendant HealtH20 Products, LLC ("HealtH20") contracted with M. D. Anderson to conduct limited in vitro testing of an "enhanced" water beverage comprised of HealtH20's purported Archaea Active formula and City of Houston tap water. (See Declaration of William Hagans attached hereto ("Hagans Decl."), ¶3, Ex. A). Such testing was limited to testing the potential anti-inflammatory properties of the water beverage as provided to M. D. Anderson (inflammation is known to be an issue faced by cancer patients). Id. Indeed, the testing conducted at M. D. Anderson was so limited and preliminary in nature that it rendered inconclusive results—the tests showed that the beverage, as tested by M. D. Anderson, may have some anti-inflammatory properties, but also, that the beverage may act as an inflammatory enhancer. Id. The report generated by M. D. Anderson specifically stated that further testing would need to be conducted. Id.

Despite the limited and preliminary nature of the testing conducted at M. D. Anderson, Defendants have been claiming that what they, and their cadre of pyramid-based sales people are selling under the brand name Evolv, is, among other things, "backed by research" conducted at M. D. Anderson. (Hagans Decl., ¶4, Ex. B.). These statements are false for at least two unequivocal reasons: (1) Defendants, by their own admission, are not selling the product as tested by M. D. Anderson—M. D. Anderson tested the purported Archaea Active formula as combined with City of Houston tap water, whereas in their Answers to Plaintiff's Complaint, both Defendants claim that the product they are selling is not combined with City of Houston tap water; and (2) any testing conducted by M. D. Anderson was not comprehensive or for that matter, conclusive, as Defendants would have the public believe. (Compare Hagans Decl., ¶3, Ex. A with Defendant Evolv's Answer, Doc. #14, and Defendant HealtH20's Answer and Counterclaims, Doc. #13).

More MLM hype!

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-03-2010, 09:22 AM
Shanna McDonald: What a great weekend. Met two of the Fabulous Wailers at our Evolv event last night, and they are AWESOME GUYS!! The product testimonial Kent shared,(from only 2 days on Evolv) brought tears to our eyes. Makes it all worth while to hear how life changing Evolv is. Thank you Garrett McGrath for coming all the way to the... Northwest for this team. Washington is going to ROCK AND ROLL!!!
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Ron Bloomingkemper do share the testimony.
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Well Ron, it is not really my testimony to share, and I would hate to put his personal story out there without his permission. But let me say this... It really made me realize the power of this product. There are thousands upon thousands ...of people just like him out there that really could use Evolv. It is also so powerful the way this business works. Had Gene Kaiser not shared it with Trey, Trey not shared it with Garrett, Garrett not shared it with me, had I not shared it with my friend Leonard, and if Leonard had not shared it with him, this gentleman would be in pretty bad shape. It feels amazing that just GIVING someone a gift can change their life. It is a beautiful, and wonderful feeling to be apart of.See More
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Ron Bloomingkemper amen. that is what we like to hear. Money stories come and go, but our product changes people for the better. Part of what we want to do with our blog is have a place for product testimonies, not money ones, to share with the world. We talk to a lot of people who want to see the science first and meet the inventors. I know we are in different teams and it can get competitive, but I'd love to hear all your cool stories from drinking Evolv, and post them on our blog. thanks shanna
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Shanna McDonald Thank you Ron. I love what you are doing.Your blog is awesome. I can't wait to see the medical journals they are putting out in Nov. We are all on the same team. We are on the Gene, Jay, and Jock team right? Sure, when we launch, and this hits the market full swing, it may get more competitive, but I just want to do my part and share share share!! "As Brent likes to say...."One sip at a time."

Wow SBM, what a small Evolv world. Your new friend is friends with my new friend. Shanna may not have won the car, but she is still stuck in myopia (I love that word).

Questions:

1.)Had the doctors given up on Leonard's friend, and then Evolv saved the day?
2.)When does Evolv launch, and how will that make your role as a distributor more competitive?

UB

Soapboxmom
10-03-2010, 03:35 PM
Wow SBM, what a small Evolv world. Your new friend is friends with my new friend. Shanna may not have won the car, but she is still stuck in myopia (I love that word).

Questions:

1.)Had the doctors given up on Leonard's friend, and then Evolv saved the day?
2.)When does Evolv launch, and how will that make your role as a distributor more competitive?

UB
Fantabulous! Our new friend Ron has been running around the great world wide web soliciting testimonies about Evolv. For all I know he is my cousin thrice removed uncle's brother's exe's best friend's former roomate, but I digress.

Ron wants more testimonies about Evolv. Well, I hope all those who have been burned in this "zero water" adventure will share their stories with us here. There is nothing more wonderful that the truthful testimonials of the 98% of losers in these MLMs that will help others to avoid these scams and the destruction that comes in their wake.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
10-03-2010, 03:48 PM
Evolver says:


When life gives you lemons, put them in your Evolv!

At $140 a month for two cases shipped, I don't think so!

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
10-03-2010, 07:48 PM
Evolver says:
When life gives you lemons, put them in your Evolv! At $140 a month for two cases shipped, I don't think so!

Soapboxmom

Actually,

putting lemons in Evolv tap water is probably the smart thing to do.

At least that way you'll get some nutritional benefit.

Soapboxmom
10-04-2010, 04:03 PM
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He was a pre-launch team leader / groundfloor entrant whose ship burned up in the atmosphere on re-entry. This ridiculous "zero water" deal is no doubt creating teams of paupers. :RpS_scared:
http://www.evolveliteteam.info/

Soapboxmom

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The only folks with the secret and perched on that pile of cash are Trey White and his friends. 97% or more will pay in to those founders and early entrants while losing their shirts in this bum "zero water" deal. That really ain't much of a secret, now is it????

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-05-2010, 07:02 AM
If the November convention has an open question forum, I think a savvy distributor should ask Trey or Brent how much a case of Evolv costs to make (COGS). I know it is less than $3.00/case, and although the cases are heavy, shipping is probably only $10/case. Total cost to Trey and Brent: $13.00. Don't let them try to tell you that they are still paying for the research and technology that goes into Evolv. Even you, the uneducated distributor, know that $52/case isn't going to the "scientists" at Archea Active TM. Don't let them tell you the money goes to website upkeep. You are already paying that with your $20/month web upkeep fee. A legitimate company doesn't hide these figures from its employees...

The beauty is they can't fire you for asking the question. You don't work for them. You PAY them to be part of this group. Sure, you may be ostracized by some in your upline, but I promise there are more people in that room that want to hear the answer than don't. You might actually make a real friend.

UB

Undercover Brother
10-05-2010, 08:48 PM
How many of you middle of the pyramid Evolvers were invited to Mexico? How does this expansion effect YOUR investment in the company? The answer is in the last line. Thanks Anne, for making this so simple.

by Anne Bodak Smith - VP of Sales
October 5, 2010 | 12:05 pm

This weekend saw over 700+ people use these three words: Independence, Vision, and Action! Mexico had their launch event this past weekend and folks from all over the country came to hear Trey White and Brent Hicks share their vision of EvolvHealth. They also heard from the leadership likes of Juan Carlos Barrios, Luis Allemant, Ken Dunn, and Leonardo Daniel Lopez. Evolv Master Distributor Jim Lutes was also on hand to help do what he does best: motivate and inspire teams to reach their maximum potential.

The message was simple, take action today, build your vision, and build your future.

Hortensia Barrios, along with an incredible team of leaders and technical personnel, created one of the most memorable events ever; from the custom stage, to the life size pictures of leaders, to the incredible Mercedes Benz cars that were there for everyone to get their pictures taken in!

Trey and Brent loved listening to the stories and experiences of each Evolver and were excited to hear everyone that was making their commitments to reaching the goal of having EvolvHealth pay for their car!

Now to make it even more real, Trey and Brent brought the six Members on stage that qualified for the Benz, Bentley and Beyond bonus. It was so incredible to see each person walk onto the stage and know their second biggest expense was covered by EvolvHealth.

The cars were paid for by YOU, the distributors...not EvolvHealth. You should be insulted when they patronize you like this. Don't be confused by the hype.

UB

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10-05-2010, 09:05 PM
to the incredible Mercedes Benz cars that were there for everyone to get their pictures taken in!

so they can photoshop it next to a mansion and keep the fake it til you make it dream alive.

Undercover Brother
10-05-2010, 09:51 PM
I understand that times have been tough the last two years, which has created the perfect opportunity for MLM and Evolv to prey on the desperate. Their shameless pitches (PERs) and recruiting tactics, will gather in many who are looking for hope. I implore you to not give up. If you studied in college, and are using tools like Career Builder, you will find a job. Have faith. If you choose to go into MLM you will lose money, but more importantly...time.

Each month you spend in MLM, instead of actively seeking employment, creates a larger GAP in your EMPLOYMENT history. This is something that Human Resources notices in one's application. Don't believe me, Just ask Jack. He has a 6 year gap in his work experience now, and he is no closer to the pot of gold MLM promised him. Do you think a prospective employer is going to take you seriously when you put under last job: RE with Evolv water?

You're welcome,

UB

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10-06-2010, 03:24 PM
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September 22, 2010 by Texas Trio Team (http://thetexastrio.com/author/thetexastrio/) 1 Comment (http://thetexastrio.com/2010/09/22/archaea-self-esteem/#respond)

Overlooked microbe studied for cancer implications.
National Science Foundation gives grant to probe DNA damage.
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It turns out that this bug, an eccentric microscopic life form called Archaea, has a few key traits in common with people. Haseltine, an assistant professor in the WSU School of Molecular Biosciences, has just received a $425,425 grant from the National Science Foundation to look at three particularly human-like proteins it uses to repair its remarkably human-like DNA.

Breaks in DNA lead to a variety of cancers. So while humans have 1,000 times more genetic material, the inner workings of Archaea’s DNA can have an outsized importance.

“We’re trying to build the car from the ground up,” she said. “If we understand all the working parts of the car, then when something goes wrong, when the DNA doesn’t get fixed properly because something is broken, we have a better idea of what the target is to try and fix it.”

If anything is going to have broken DNA, it might well be Haseltine’s favorite bug, Sulfolobus solfataricus. It likes “really unattractive, Hades-on-a-good-day” hot springs, where scalding temperatures and acidic surroundings are perfect for damaging DNA. Her own stock of Sulfolobus came from the smellier, less attractive hot springs of Yellowstone National Park.

“Their DNA might be broken at a higher frequency than microbes that don’t live under such harsh conditions,” said Haseltine, “so they may very well have evolved mechanisms for repairing DNA that are very robust and effective.” And the human-like proteins they use to repair their DNA are very stable, durable and easy to use in a lab setting.

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Please click on the video to watch. The burning question is what in the Sam Hill does this have to do with the Evolv "zero water." Well, the scammers post this stuff as it does sound so very scientific and boggles the mind of a typical MLMer. However, if one listens to the good doctor doing the research on Archaea she discusses looking at how Archaea repair their own DNA. Understanding that may lead to understanding how more complex and higher forms of life can fight disease.

This does not suggest anything about how the Archaea Active formula in the water can do anything whatsoever for the clueless masses drinking the stuff they get on autoshit. This is just another lame attempt to confuse MLMers with technical jargon that has no application in the product being pushed. The good doctor is NOT studying the Archaea Active formula and how it is beneficial for humans and what health benefits can be scientifically documented, or whether it is even safe to consume. So, bottoms up for those that didn't get through high school level science. Trey and his friends are making a killing off of you!

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-06-2010, 09:10 PM
Vincente Fox to Keynote Launch of Evolv in Mexico


Or not... another slight of hand pulled by Evolv?

Undercover Brother
10-06-2010, 09:29 PM
Do Evolvers understand the difference between a press release and actual press? Here is an excerpt from a press release:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – AUGUST 9, 2010

FUTURECEUTICALS® RESEARCH OF ARCHAEA ACTIVE™ RESULTS IN UNPRECEDENTED ENDORSEMENT

Dallas, TX — EvolvHealth, LLC is pleased to announce an update on the continued research of the Archaea Active™ formula being conducted by FutureCeuticals®. The second phase of studies, which included ex vivo bioactivity testing of the formula, demonstrated that Archaea Active™ promoted oxygen metabolism and increased ATP production with no associated undesirable increases in lactic acid levels or free radical production. Researchers are not aware of any other supplement or formula, to date, that has the same potential benefits with no known negative effects.

“Increased oxygen uptake without the side effects connected to lactic acid or free radical production is a breakthrough,” says Dr. Newman, renowned researcher.

Press would be if the above was actually in ANY publication. When Nikki Bausch posts the above on the Evolv website, she is implying that she has sent it out to major news sources across the country, and that they will run it. (otherwise it would simply be placed under the blog tab, and not under press)

At the upcoming convention, ask her about her contacts with major newspapers, and if you can see her mailing list. Ask how much success she has had getting any of the press releases published. Ask what she is doing to promote your business, other than brain-washing you. It's all smoke and mirrors, people. They act like they are helping you while they are counting your money. Did you REALLY pay $50 for a DVD? Why, because they called it a selling tool?

UB

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In Mexico, a chorus of opinion leaders including former President Vicente Fox have forced open a long-pent-up debate on drug legalization. ...
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Remember all the huge hyping of Vicente Fox at the Evolv launch in Mexico (http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2010/09/22/vincente-fox-to-keynote-for-dallas-man-launch-of-evolv-in-mexico/). Well, it got no, none, zero or zippo news coverage. It landed with a big thud! Evolv isn't even a blip on the radar!

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I will be in Mexico City Saturday with Evolv owners, leaders, and ex President Vicente Fox opening the country big for Evolv! Its on~ 9:36 PM Sep 29th (http://twitter.com/jimlutes/status/25950631687) via web

Evolv ranked # 1 in momentum of all industry companies worldwide. Call me if you want to work directly with me. 1:03 PM Sep 17th (http://twitter.com/jimlutes/status/24787971540) via Twitter for iPhone (http://twitter.com/) <LI id=status_24307060884 class="hentry u-jimlutes status">Seems everyone is joining Evolv. 11:44 AM Sep 12th (http://twitter.com/jimlutes/status/24307060884) via Twitter for iPhone (http://twitter.com/)
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Well, where are the tweets, blogs press releases etc. about the actual event????

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Evolv Mexico Launch Event

Saturday, October 02, 2010 from 10:00 AM - 5:00 PM (GMT-0600)

Santa Fe, MEXICO CITY

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Ticket TypeSales EndPriceFeeQuantityEvolv Members Ended $30.00 $2.64 N/A Guests (non-members) Ended $1.00 $1.04 N/A

Event Details

Join us to kick-off our international expansion into Mexico!

Evolv Chairman and Co-Founder Trey White, and Evolv CEO and Co-Founder Brent Hicks will be joined by local leaders and special keynote speaker Former Mexico President Vicente Fox.
You won't want to miss this ground-breaking event!
You can also download the flyer here: http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/MexicoLaunch_ENG_092810.pdf (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/MexicoLaunch_091011.pdf)


You can download the Spanish flyer here: http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/MexicoLaunch_SP_092810.pdf


10:00AM - 11:30AM: Business presentation
12:00PM - 2:00PM: Speakers
2:00PM - 3:00PM: Lunch
3:00PM - 5:00PM: Speakers and closing
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We know the event has ended. Did it ever get off of the ground??? Never off of the ground certainly doesn't fit the bill as ground breaking!


Soapboxmom

littleroundman
10-07-2010, 11:14 AM
Does Evolv have to transport its' water to Mexico or does it just bottle the local stuff ???

How much does it cost to transport bottled water to Mexico and how much extra does it add to the already exorbitant price of Evolv ???

Soapboxmom
10-07-2010, 01:06 PM
Futureceuticals, Noni Juice, Monevie & Vitamins - Ingredients of Evolv Drinking Water (http://www.evolv2o.com/product/ingredients/index.html)



Ingredients: Natural Spring Water,Extracts of Alfalfa (Medicago Satiya) Leaves and Sterns,Milk Whey Protein, Brornelain (from Pineapple),Papain (frorn Papaya), Protease,Arnylase,Lipase, Lactase and Cellulase.manufactured by Healtn2o Products, LLC for Evolv Healtn, LLC.Bottled by Alexa Springs, lnc.Mount Ida, Arkansas 71957 866 -291-3446

Even though MD Anderson only tested some city of Houston tap water with some stuff in it, the water being shipped out apparently is bottled in Arkansas from spring water. Autoshit is two cases at $55 dollars a piece plus, if memory serves $30 for shipping in the continental United States. UPS quoted over $200 to ship 2 cases from Mount Ida Arkansas to Mexico City. What Evolv charges I could not find yet. No doubt it is a bloody fortune.

Soapboxmom

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10-07-2010, 01:21 PM
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Undercover Brother
10-07-2010, 06:24 PM
so they can photoshop it next to a mansion and keep the fake it til you make it dream alive.


Or you post garbage like this to your pyramid, trying to convince them that you can keep up..

Jack Weinzierl: @Tanna, that is funny. Our ML350 gets turned in come December and I almost have Stephanie convinced that the R class is a minivan :)

(Side note: Tanna is the wife of Tracy Tiggleman. The Construction Owner, errr.. MMA fighter mentioned above.

Undercover Brother
10-07-2010, 06:46 PM
Is T.O.P.G.U.N. getting ready to bail????? Survey (and Facebook) says....yes.



Keith Dorsey: Our Team TOPGUN is a Power House and will always BE
TOPGUN EVOLV ATL
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Lynette Pilgrim YOU BETTER KNOW IT BOO!!! T.O.P.G.U.N. TILL I'M DONE!!!
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Andre Simpson Hey,Keith this is Andre up in the Midwest...that's Cincinnati,Ohio! The Company that Topgun is headed to is called....B hip Global it's a another Bi-nary! Mean while while your waiting checkout.. www.xyngular.com/xfiles and our AmaXyng Team at youtube.com/amaxyng inbox for more information....Peace!
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Keith Dorsey The Biggest EVENT in Network-Marketing History is GOING DOWN as We speak, all i can say is WOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, Man, What a RIDE, GETTING ready to Make SHOW people WHAT this is all ABOUT!!!!!!!
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Keith Dorsey We will see what is VERY SOON stay tuned
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It might not be the company that Andre has implied, but the buzz throughout T.O.P.G.U.N. is that a move is imminent.

Soapboxmom
10-07-2010, 07:19 PM
Independence, Vision, Action & Mexico! (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/2010/10/independence-vision-action-mexico/)


http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/userphoto/anne-bodak.thumbnail.4accfd0d06ca6.jpgby Anne Bodak Smith - VP of Sales (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/author/anne-bodak/)
October 5, 2010 | 12:05 pm
This weekend saw over 700+ people use these three http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/phototw2.jpg (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/phototw2.jpg)words: Independence, Vision, and Action! Mexico had their launch event this past weekend and folks from all over the country came to hear Trey White and Brent Hicks share their vision of EvolvHealth. They also heard from the leadership likes of Juan Carlos Barrios, Luis Allemant, Ken Dunn, and Leonardo Daniel Lopez. Evolv Master Distributor Jim Lutes was also on hand to help do what he does best: motivate and inspire teams to reach their maximum potential.
The message was simple, take action today, build your http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/photo-32.jpg (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/photo-32.jpg)vision, and build your future.
Hortensia Barrios, along with an incredible team of leaders and technical personnel, created one of the most memorable events ever; from the custom stage, to the life size pictures of leaders, to the incredible Mercedes Benz cars that were there for everyone to get their pictures taken in!
Trey and Brent loved listening to the stories and http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/phototw2.jpg (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/phototw2.jpg)experiences of each Evolver and were excited to hear everyone that was making their commitments to reaching the goal of having EvolvHealth pay for their car!
Now to make it even more real, Trey and Brent brought the six Members on stage that qualified for the Benz, Bentley and Beyond bonus. It was so incredible to see each person walk onto the stage and know their second biggest expense was covered by EvolvHealth.
Independence, Vision, Action! Trey and Brent both covered these again as they wrapped up the day, and everyone at the event left with a clear understanding of why EvolvHealth was ranked the Top Momentum company in the month of September 2010 (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/2010/09/most-momentum/).
Special thanks go out to: Juan Carlos and Hortensia Barrios and their team for creating a great event. We can’t wait for next year’s event!
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No Vicente Fox!!!!! I guess reading D Magazine and the fine posts here ran him off!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
10-07-2010, 08:09 PM
Trey White's fan club president has been hard at work (http://waterhead.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/4/). When will Trey White and Evolv respond to the blog and the many fine posts by researchers here? Keep up the awsome work my fellow scambusters!

UB your updates are beyond delightful. Maybe our boys at TopGun will go into music full time!



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Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-08-2010, 06:54 AM
Evolvers claim they are "doing" and "trying" while their critics do nothing but tear down dreams. In one respect they are right. I've never tried to sell my mom a $55 case of water.

I think our perspectives are just different. Take a look at this resume, as found on LinkedIn. Do you think this guy is trying?


Joe M's Experience

*
Regional Executive - Founding Member
EvolvHealth, LLC

(Privately Held; Health, Wellness and Fitness industry)

February 2010 — Present (9 months)

We were the fastest home-based business pre-launch in history. In the next three years while EvolvHealth grows to a billion dollar company, we will be paying out half a billion dollars in commissions. In the next three years, our team is going to create 100 people who are earning one million dollars a year. Wouldn't you like to be a part of that? Contact me to see how you can be part of this explosive team.

EvolvHealth, LLC is a network marketing company developed by a team of scientists in conjunction with seasoned entrepreneurs, marketers and network markters. The team is led by the Founder and Chairman, Mr. Trey White.

Evolv's proprietary Archaea Active™ formula is a culmination of more than 15 years of scientific research and development. Our product Evolv™ combines the Archaea Active™ formula with premium spring water, naturally enhancing cell performance and increasing stamina, energy and endurance.
*
Ambassador Sales Distributor
BAZI International, Inc

(Public Company; XELR; Food & Beverages industry)

January 2008 — Present (2 years 10 months)

So, what’s the big deal about BAZI? Well, no other energy shot or fruit juice has eight superfruits, therefore, cannot beat BAZI’s ORAC value! There’s no match.

BAZI Benefits
The Supercharged ingredients in BAZI can support:

Hours of energy, the way nature intended. *
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From the pros to the people that push the limits, BAZI athletes are smart about what they put into their bodies. That’s why athletes back up BAZI—it’s the healthy fuel for mind and body. Athletes know that when their mind and body are properly fueled and in synch there are no boundaries to what they can attain.

To learn more or purchase the Bazi product line go to my web site from the link on this page.


*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
*
CEO/President
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(Privately Held; Real Estate industry)

August 2003 — Present (7 years 3 months)

At Loaning4Less we make it possible for all our trained Real Estate Investors, regardless of their financial situation to buy and sell properties quickly and easily for substantial profits.

Smart investors know that buying and reselling properties quickly, without the hassle of repairs, tenants, and long term financing is a powerful way to generate huge cash profits quickly. Two things are required. You must buy at a deep discount and you must have the ability to re-sell quickly. To re-sell quickly in a challenging Real Estate market is easy, when you sell at a deep discount. So, stated differently, you simply “Buy Low & Sell Low”.

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This guy is in his mid to late 50's. He has only a 7 year work history. I'd say he is the one who isn't trying to succeed.

UB

Soapboxmom
10-08-2010, 08:54 AM
Somebody should tell poor clueless Joe he has been unceremoniously dumped:
MLM News Alert: XELR8 aka BAZI Terminates ALL Distributors and Exits MLM Forever : MLM Help Desk Home Of The Maverick Leader – Troy Dooly (http://www.mlmhelpdesk.com/2010/01/19/mlm-news-alert-xelr8-aka-bazi-terminates-all-distributors-and-exits-mlm-forever/)



MLM News Alert: XELR8 aka BAZI Terminates ALL Distributors and Exits MLM Forever

Posted by Troy (http://www.mlmhelpdesk.com/author/admin/) on January 19, 2010 · 6 Comments (http://www.mlmhelpdesk.com/2010/01/19/mlm-news-alert-xelr8-aka-bazi-terminates-all-distributors-and-exits-mlm-forever/#comments)


XELR8 aka BAZI terminates ALL distributors and exits MLM Forever. This notice will hit all distributors this morning, and was made public by Morningstar January 19, 2010. (http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=145040&p=irol-sec)



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10-08-2010, 04:44 PM
Home (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/) Recognition (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/recognition/) Events & Calls (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/events/) Evolver'sWeekly (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/evolversweekly/) D.C. Locations (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/distribution-center-hours-of-operation/) Login (https://secure.evolvhealth.com/ecenter/logon.asp) Is the 24/Seven Club Music to Your Ears? (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/2010/10/is-the-24seven-club-music-to-your-ears/)


http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/userphoto/nikki-baulisch.thumbnail.jpgby Nikki Baulisch - Marketing Coordinator (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/author/nikki-baulisch/)
October 7, 2010 | 12:45 pm
The 24/Seven Club is music to the ears of Regional Executive Ted Goldberg! Tons of Evolvers have been sending in great pictures for the 24/Seven Club. But with all of the entries we’ve seen, Ted’s email really stood out to us, so we thought we would pass it on.
“I AM READY TO ROCK WITH EVOLV! The other day I was listening to XM radio 50′s Rock and Roll and heard this song. It is an old one from the early period of Rock Music. If you are too young to remember it, look it up on youtube, and you can hear several versions of it.
“Here is some information about this tune: Jim Dandy” (sometimes known as “Jim Dandy to the Rescue”) is a song written by Lincoln Chase, and was first recorded by American R&B singer LaVern Baker in 1956. It reached the top of the R&B chart and #17 on the pop charts in the U.S. It was named one of The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s 500 Songs that Shaped Rock and Roll and was ranked #343 on Rolling Stone’s 500 Greatest Songs of All Time.
“Anyway the tune was going through my head, and I started putting new words to it about Evolv. See what you think!
“Sung to the tune of Jim Dandy (to the rescue)
Evolv Water to the rescue,http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/TedGoldberg-300x225.jpg (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/TedGoldberg.jpg)
Evolv Water to the rescue,
Evolv Water to the rescue,
Go Evolv! Go Evolv!
I was joggin’ in my neighborhood,
Gettin tired wasn’t feelin so good,
But I knew just what to do,
I picked up that little bottle o’blue
Then I ran another dozen or two,
Go Evolv! Go Evolv!
I was working hard and stayin up late,
Oh man I didn’t feel so great,
I knew I just couldn’t wait,
Oh yeah I need to oxygenate,
Now I’m feeling like I got to sleep late,
Go Evolv! Go Evolv!
I was workin in a dead-end job,
had no money and my boss was a slob,
but I knew just what I could do,
I signed up as a distributor too,
I told my old boss what he could do!
Go Evolv! Go Evolv!
Evolv Water to the rescue,
Evolv Water to the rescue,
Evolv Water to the rescue,
Go Evolv! Go Evolv! ”
-Ted Goldberg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXMyKJxIL6E
Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-08-2010, 06:44 PM
Ted had to buy 7 of Trey's Evolv CD's to compete in the 24/7 contest. (cost: $350)

I wonder how many of Ted's music CD's he has to sell to make $350.

UB

littleroundman
10-09-2010, 01:28 AM
Evolv Water to the rescue,
Evolv Water to the rescue,
Go Evolv! Go Evolv!
I was joggin’ in my neighborhood,
Gettin tired wasn’t feelin so good,
But I knew just what to do,
I picked up that little bottle o’blue
Then I ran another dozen or two,
Go Evolv! Go Evolv!
I was working hard and stayin up late,
Oh man I didn’t feel so great,
I knew I just couldn’t wait,
Oh yeah I need to oxygenate,
Now I’m feeling like I got to sleep late,
Go Evolv! Go Evolv!
I was workin in a dead-end job,
had no money and my boss was a slob,
but I knew just what I could do,
I signed up as a distributor too,
I told my old boss what he could do!
Go Evolv! Go Evolv!
Evolv Water to the rescue,
Evolv Water to the rescue,
Evolv Water to the rescue,
Go Evolv! Go Evolv! ”
-Ted Goldberg



So,

there IS something in that Evolv besides tapwater.

Only trouble is, it ain't Archaea Active™ and it sure ain't good fer ya.

Undercover Brother
10-09-2010, 08:03 AM
Independence, Vision, Action & Mexico! (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/2010/10/independence-vision-action-mexico/)


http://blog.evolvhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/userphoto/anne-bodak.thumbnail.4accfd0d06ca6.jpgby Anne Bodak Smith - VP of Sales (http://blog.evolvhealth.com/author/anne-bodak/)
October 5, 2010 | 12:05 pm
This weekend saw over 700+ people use these three words: Independence, Vision, and Action! Mexico had their launch event this past weekend and folks from all over the country came to hear Trey White and Brent Hicks share their vision of EvolvHealth.

October 8th
Anne Bodak Smith:

Some of the highlights included:

* Trey shared his excitement around the Convention in Mexico. There is a lot of excitement with Evolv in Mexico evident by the 800+ people in attendance at the event...


Attendance estimates went up 100 people in the three days since Anne first reported these staggering figures. Will they claim it was 1,000 people in the next news letter? 5,000 by the time the Legend of Evolv-The Movie comes out...or are they just upping the numbers so the departure of their T.O.P.G.U.N. leg won't seem so dramatic?

Undercover Brother
10-09-2010, 08:16 AM
More from Anne Bodak Smith...

October 8

Anne Bodak Smith:

Some of the highlights included:


* We’re only an 11 month old company, but based on our current month, Evolv is projected to see $18 Million in revenue in our first year.

I believe I predicted he was making $650K per month off of You Distributors. According to Evolv I am off by half...Yikes.

Distributors, Anne is telling you right there in plain English how much money Evolv is making off of You. This isn't like Pepsi, where if you owned a distributor, you would be making money by selling to the public. This is like Evolv, where if you own a distributor, you pay Trey money to be in the club, and you sell to your mom.

UB-Here to help

Undercover Brother
10-09-2010, 09:03 AM
YouTube - fitandrichchris's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/fitandrichchris)

This HAS to be one of my favorite Evolvers, and this is his update: Can you believe this was filmed almost exactly one year ago? Of course we know that Robert Dean left MonAvie for Evolv, (and you may remember Chris followed...there were some great Youtube videos of Chris fawning all over Trey)...But what happened to Chris? Well,his body has CHANGED...A LOT. Was it the Evolv? He is trying to be a professional body builder. No mention of his Evolv business (or Evolv) anywhere.

UB

Undercover Brother
10-09-2010, 09:15 AM
Chris Mitchell today..
A little less hair. A lot more muscle.

88

Soapboxmom
10-10-2010, 10:31 AM
http://cdn.static.viddler.com/flash/simple_publisher.swf?key=ab34d93b&ref=
This video takes the cake. Ridiculous testimonials by the boatload abound. Anecdotal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence)evidence does not equal established science except in the muddled brains of MLMers.

Trey White is blathering about and being touted as a founder / builder of multiple billion dollar companies and multi-billion dollar companies. He claims he has started over ten companies and taken companies public. Reps drooling over his successes is especially amusing as they can't seem to name even one of those multi-billion dollar companies.

More fodder for the FTC and Texas Attorney General's office to include in their investigations!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
10-10-2010, 12:44 PM
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Ground floor is more like the Titanic on the ocean bottom!

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-10-2010, 01:15 PM
If you can't beat 'em....

Today I am pleased to announce that I am on board with Evolv. Not only that, but I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I will be giving away 2 million dollars in the near future. That's right...twice as good as Trey's plan.

Here is how it works: Order your Evolv business cards from me, and I will award you points. For every 100 cards you order ($125 plus shipping) you will receive 10 points. These cards are great. They will have the Evolve logo, and you can add whatever title you want. If you want to be Emperor of Evolv, just fill in the appropriate blanks.

When the millionth point has been awarded, I will give out 2 million dollars to the person with the most points. So order now, and make sure you send me a picture of yourself handing out the cards, or it won't count.

UB

PS-My bio-degradable business cards cure some forms of gout and hic-cups.

Undercover Brother
10-10-2010, 02:21 PM
T.O.P.G.U.N. is officially out of the Evolv business. In 5 days Robert Dean Jr. takes his portion of the pyramid to a diet company called thenewg.

Whip
10-10-2010, 04:22 PM
If you can't beat 'em....

Today I am pleased to announce that I am on board with Evolv. Not only that, but I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I will be giving away 2 million dollars in the near future. That's right...twice as good as Trey's plan.

Here is how it works: Order your Evolv business cards from me, and I will award you points. For every 100 cards you order ($125 plus shipping) you will receive 10 points. These cards are great. They will have the Evolve logo, and you can add whatever title you want. If you want to be Emperor of Evolv, just fill in the appropriate blanks.

When the millionth point has been awarded, I will give out 2 million dollars to the person with the most points. So order now, and make sure you send me a picture of yourself handing out the cards, or it won't count.

UB

PS-My bio-degradable business cards cure some forms of gout and hic-cups.

Wow....what a rip off.

Whip
10-10-2010, 04:25 PM
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This video takes the cake. Ridiculous testimonials by the boatload abound. Anecdotal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence)evidence does not equal established science except in the muddled brains of MLMers.

Trey White is blathering about and being touted as a founder / builder of multiple billion dollar companies and multi-billion dollar companies. He claims he has started over ten companies and taken companies public. Reps drooling over his successes is especially amusing as they can't seem to name even one of those multi-billion dollar companies.

More fodder for the FTC and Texas Attorney General's office to include in their investigations!

Soapboxmom



He's certainly never been on Forbes list of world's richest.

Soapboxmom
10-10-2010, 04:56 PM
My thanks to our ace investigative journalist UB. One MLMer wanting to sell his services is reporting that story ad nauseum on every blog and press release service available for free.

Robert Dean Jr. has been a serial jump and dump MLMer hopping in rapid fire succession from Tahitian Noni to Monavie to Evolv and now yet another one in just months. Obviously, even the top dogs aren't making any real money in Evolv. Time to find another ground floor opportunity and drag in the legions of suckers and rake in those sign-up fees. Evolv certainly didn't float his boat after a whopping nine months in this "long term" deal! We can see those lifeboats paddling away from this Evolv Titanic.

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-10-2010, 07:01 PM
So, I have a serious question SBM...

Let's say I was right, and that Trey paid Robert Dean to put Larry Seegar on top of T.O.P.G.U.N.'s pyramid as a favor to his friend, and so Larry wouldn't have to do any real work "recruiting".

1.) Does Larry stop seeing all the money from that leg underneath him?
2.) Does Trey move him over to Garret's leg?
3.) Am I way off base, and this isn't how it works?

UB

Soapboxmom
10-10-2010, 07:58 PM
As Scammer Lary Seegar is a close personal friend of Trey White that was in at the beginning he would be at the top of the heap. Now, I haven't seen a matrix diagram for this gig, but if a large chunk of downline disappears Larry will be in the boat all MLMers are in. With 50% and much higher attrition rates per year for these MLMs, they are all scrambling constantly to replace the disappearing downline. It is a mad and desperate recruiting game. Often 40% - 100% of the sales are inside the pyramids and there are few if any retail customers.

Trey White should really give us a laugh and tell us what percentage of water sales are retail sales vs. sales to reps that are forced to accept a minimum of two cases a month on autoshit.


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FTC declarations have stated that if the majority of the money used to pay the "upliners" is gained primarily from the purchases of the downliners – not from their retail customers – the payments are de facto payments for recruiting. In such cases, the "business opportunity" is not to sell the MLM products but to recruit others into the "business opportunity" in an endless chain. Endless chains are considered "inherent frauds" since they cannot deliver on their promise of income to any but a few at the top; the vast majority are doomed from the start to financial losses; and the schemes must use deception to lure consumers into nearly certain financial losses.



Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-10-2010, 09:08 PM
Free BMW (http://www.younggunsnow.com/site/Free_BMW.html)

Yeah Trey, you want to give all the Mercedes' to your friends....you want to spend more time in Mexico City than Atlanta...well, our new company gives away BMWs...and we heard you weren't really a billionaire, poser, so we are outta here.

Jack W., have you checked out this ground-breaking new company? This could be your calling. I'm not sure it is faith-based like Evolv though. Is that a deal breaker?

UB

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10-10-2010, 10:02 PM
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This video takes the cake. Ridiculous testimonials by the boatload abound. Anecdotal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence)evidence does not equal established science except in the muddled brains of MLMers.


More fodder for the FTC and Texas Attorney General's office to include in their investigations!

Soapboxmom



I Googled every one of the testimonies on the video and each person is a rep. Isn't that amazing? Some are no longer hawking the crap, but they were at one time.


Often 40% - 100% of the sales are inside the pyramids and there are few if any retail customers.

Trey White should really give us a laugh and tell us what percentage of water sales are retail sales vs. sales to reps that are forced to accept a minimum of two cases a month on autoshit.

I would venture to guess 95%.

Undercover Brother
10-11-2010, 05:13 AM
I Googled every one of the testimonies on the video and each person is a rep. Isn't that amazing? Some are no longer hawking the crap, but they were at one time.


Evolv only cures Cancer if you are a rep.*




* Statement not verified by the FDA

Undercover Brother
10-11-2010, 07:17 AM
The business card idea is breaking records in the industry, so I am ready to announce Phase II of the Undercover Brother MLM. Here is how it works:

Send me $100. I will award you 100 UB points, AND immediately send you a check for $50. That's right...cold, hard, cash. Trey can keep his Mercedes' and Robert can keep his BMWs. What other company is giving away cash money?????

And this money is YOURS to keep. You can spend it on whatever you like. Put it towards your NEW CAR, or towards an IPAD, or even towards your mortgage payment.

UB

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10-11-2010, 06:00 PM
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Day 27: The Truth Held Hostage.
It’s getting somewhat creepy now, Trey. The Elelephant In The Room is that the entire Evolv network is now basically aware of these allegations appearing in this blog. But their Great Leader still haven’t the guts to try and publicly refute any of them.
We’re watching, Trey. All of us. Yet you hide in the corner like a little girl, hoping the Boogey Man will go away.
Truths are truth. And these particular truths are going to color you for the fraud that you are past the collapse of your Magic Water scheme, but will actually color everything that you professionally attenpt for the rest of your life.

SPEAK.


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The hit counter on this blog is now averaging more than 100 viewings per day. Y bienvenidos, los Mexicanos de Evolv!
The Evolv leadership is awaiting your response, Trey White.
The truth shall set you free.

SPEAK.

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10-11-2010, 07:44 PM
Robert Dean Jr.'s new dance partner:

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Trey White has been dumped for not putting out. C'mon Trey, you know Robert wanted "a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed"*

*quote attributed to multi-platinum recording artist; Ludicris

Undercover Brother
10-11-2010, 08:02 PM
I feel like I'm more a satirist than an investigative reporter. That said, every now and then, when I'm looking for something in Evolv to poke fun of, I come across a gem that makes me laugh more than the simple rantings of the common Evolver.

Today I found out that Evolv is releasing a topical gel. When applied to the problem area, the Archea Active TM formula embedded in the gel alleviates pain and actually heals damaged cells. (If you recall, I guessed soap a month ago)

Thank you Shanna for sharing this tid-bit with me, and good luck on your car shopping. I'm sure that you are only days away from achieving your car payment from the pyramid below you. If you would like to speed up the process, just send me $1,000/month, and I will in turn send you $500 which can be applied to the car of your dreams.

Your friend,

UB

littleroundman
10-11-2010, 09:54 PM
I feel like I'm more a satirist than an investigative reporter.
Your friend,

UB

Isn't that the whole point ????

It's not like Evolv is a big time "Madoff" like fraud or even a multi million dollar sting along the lines of AdSurf Daily.

History tells us the claims are gonna get even more ridiculous before this one disappears into MLM history.

While bottled tap water @ $55 a carton IS gonna be pretty hard to top, I am in no doubt White, Wienzerl and crew are working hard at coming up with a new fantasy as we speak.

Undercover Brother
10-12-2010, 06:59 AM
Wienzerl and crew are working hard at coming up with a new fantasy as we speak.

Jack's new fantasy is getting a legitimate job. I think he is going to find a very selective market, where applicants with 6 and 7 year gaps in employment are going to have a hard time blaming the economy. He and Trey never got that close. Trey knew about Jack's nefarious past, and kept a couple buffers between the two. If you watched closely you could see Jack first try to cling to Trey, then Garrett, then Jason, and finally settle for Tracy Tiggelman.

As for Trey, I don't think he will stay in the MLM game after the Evolv gel comes and goes. I think he and Brent and Anne, and Jason, and Larry were riding the coat tails of Robert Dean, Garret McGrath and Kenn Dunn. When those guys bail out, I don't think they will come back, perhaps giving Trey time to work on his "Theme Park".

Sadly, Trey made A Lot of money on this scam.

UB

Soapboxmom
10-12-2010, 09:40 AM
It is hilarious to watch MLMers who were in obvious scams that imploded to whine that they were harmed by the economic downturn. What a load! It is even funnier how many jump ship and can't be bothered to remove their videos and webpages etc. As they got no sales from them in most cases they just don't waste the time and effort to remove something that is useless to begin with.

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http://www.eb4h20.com/

It is entertaining to see Jonathan Gilliam who has bailed from this Titanic as the star of the video. I bet he would give anything to get that tripe off of the internet and clean up his reputation.

Soapboxmom

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I am listening to that ridiculous phone call and it is quite amusing. Apparently, Executive Directors and above, car qualifed reps and 24 enrollees in 7 days reps are invited to the VIP party. The VIP party will be at the W Hotel Ghost Bar (http://www.yelp.com/biz/ghostbar-dallas). I think it will be terribly humorous as we see just who is and isn't going to be at that big shindig. Some of the big promoters that love to flap endlessly about their success are probably nowhere near qualifying. Maybe Trey should give these losers a used Yugo as a consolation prize!

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-14-2010, 06:30 AM
Funny. When Brent mentions the cases associated with the "winners" in the 24/7 program, he says sold. He should have said bought. The 155 cases "sold" by the woman mentioned were actually the cases she bought and gave away in an effort to recruit. 155 cases at $55/case plus shipping is one expensive Ipad.

In other news, if you find yourself back in the job search mode, after a 7 year hiatus, On-Line Image Restoration software is a good investment; however, a lot of Fortune 500 companies are also doing credit checks before hiring a candidate. Just saying.

UB

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I grew up in what some people would say is a challenging life. My parents divorced when I was just four years old. My mom died of radiation and chemotherapy when I was nine years old. My abusive father kicked me out of the house at the age of fifteen. I used my life savings ($550) to buy a plane ticket and I moved to California at the age of eighteen.

I've lived in my car; I've lived in a motel with roaches in the bathtub; I've lived in a friend's garage on the concrete floor; and I've even been homeless before. So, if you've been through a lot in your life, trust me, I can relate to you.

I was dead broke for the first twenty five years of my life. One unforgettable day in Santa Monica, California I met an amazing man by the name of Sal Williams who changed my life by introducing me to Network Marketing.

Not only is Evolv going to become the fastest growing Network Marketing company of all time, Evolv is also going to grow faster than ANY company of all time! Evolv is no joke! Founded by Multi-Billionaire Trey White it is our goal to make Evolv into a Billion dollar company within our first two years in business.

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I'm Christopher (not Chris) Mitchell, and you have just landed on my website. Thanks for stopping by. Let me tell you a little bit about myself in case you have no idea who I am.

I was born on January 9th, 1979 in Houston, Texas. My parents moved me and my younger brother Andrew to Marion, Ohio when I was three years old. A year later my parents got divorced.

My mother had cancer and eventually died from the radiation and chemotherapy treatments when I was nine years old. My father then regained custody of me and my brother.

After being abused by my father growing up I decided to join the high school wrestling team when I was fifteen years old. My father kicked me out of the house at the age of sixteen. At the age of seventeen I started bodybuilding.

At the age of eighteen I graduated from Pleasant High School in Marion, Ohio. Two weeks after graduation I took out my life savings ($550) and bought a plane ticket to Los Angeles, California.

As soon as I arrived in California I took a taxi to Gold's Gym in Venice Beach. This is when my dream of becoming a rich and famous bodybuilder began.

From the time I arrived in Los Angeles back in July of 1997, to the present time of 2010, I have moved around all over the country in my search to find happiness and fulfillment. My search has led me to Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, New York, Florida, and then back to California where my dream began.

I've been broke, starving, homeless, lost, confused, and even thought of killing myself once. However, my dream has kept me alive, determined, and motivated to succeed.

We all go through tough times in our lives, but it's the very rare, the 1% as I like to call em' that keep going in pursuit to achieve their dreams. They know deep down inside that until they fulfill their dreams they will never experience what all of our dreams are in the first place: finding Happiness.

It doesn't matter whether you're a male or female, 18 or 88, black or white, rich or poor, until you die it's NEVER too late to go after your dreams.

God bless!

Christopher

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Now, here's the hard part: not only does a Bodybuilder have to do what I just mentioned, but somehow, someway we're supposed to fit in a full time job simultaneously so we can pay for our expensive dream.

However, that's just not possible because no employer in the world is going to give an employee a break every two hours of the day so they can eat a meal, or a week vacation ten times a year so we can travel and compete, or let us leave the office twice a day so we can go to the gym and workout.

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FACT: Most of your bills are residual. They come every single month. They're usually due on the first.


FACT: 98% of the people in the world don't have a residual income. If they stop working, the money stops. If they get fired, the money stops. However, their bills keep coming in. The 98% don't even have at least 3 months of living expenses saved.


FACT: Your bills are residual. You need a residual income that EXCEEDS your bills. You need to live on less than what you earn and save at least 10%.


FACT: If you don't take control of your life you will lose to someone else who is in control.


The first of the month:


For most people it sucks! Right at the end of the month they start getting knots in their stomachs, thinking about having to pay bills on the first.


They don't have any EXTRA MONEY and they're already behind on PAST DUE bills that are waiting to be paid. This is true especially for people who only see a paycheck twice a month. THAT'S IT! Twice a month! I can't even imagine someone telling me they're only going to pay me twice in a month.


I'd quit before I even got started. But anyway.....



It's that time again.


The first of the month:


All of my bills are already paid. I paid my cell phone bill a year ahead of time. I paid my car insurance a year ahead of time. I don't have a car payment- I paid CASH. I don't have a mortgage- I paid CASH.



Let me guess: you're probably still looking for money to juggle to try and pay yours? Aren't you?


Are you scratching your head right now trying to figure out who gets paid first?


Did you pay all your bills and now you're broke again until next payday?


Now you have to try and borrow from your friends and family members to scrape by until you hit payday again. Your friends get tired of you. Your family gets tired of you.


So, now you try those "payday loans". You know, where they advance you money on interest and all you need is a checking account and stuff?


But then what happens when your checking account goes into overdraft and now you're in trouble with the bank?


Then what happens when you screw up your credit and NOBODY TRUSTS YOU and you can't even borrow a quarter to put in the parking meter?


Like I said.....


The first of the month:


It sucks for most people.


THE PRESSURE COOKER.


I can see the pressure on you right now. Even if you do scrape all the money for your bills together by the end of this week, or next week, you're still screwed.


Why? Because I guarantee you that by the middle of the month you'll be in the "pressure cooker" all over again, trying to juggle money to get everybody paid before they start calling and harassing you for payment.


Just think about it.....


In the next 2 weeks half the month will be over and you'll be in the same spot all over again, because NOW YOU NEED MONEY FOR BILLS FOR THE FOLLOWING MONTH!


I can see the knot (ulcer) forming in your stomach right now from all the stress and pressure of the disease of chasing money to pay bills.


YOU'RE NOT ALONE!


I used to hate that feeling. It's embarrassing. And even if you are pretty good at getting all your bills paid..... I really don't think that your life's purpose is to chase a constant survival and just get up everyday so you can go to work to pay bills. Is it? I know for a fact that you'd really love to splurge a little without having to worry about replacing bill money before they come due.


You know.....


You see that new iPod, or new TV, or whatever, and you want it, but then you realize that if you buy it you'll be using bill money, and then you wonder how you're going to replace it fast enough before the bills come.


Right?


But think about how good your life would be if you had an extra $10,000 in cash left over:
AFTER ALL OF YOUR BILLS ARE PAID EVERY MONTH!


How would that make you feel? What would you do? How much time would that free up for you?


THEY'RE LAUGHING ON THE FIRST OF THE MONTH:



* Your landlord.
* Your cable company.
* Your water company.
* Your phone company.
* Your electric company.
* Your insurance company.
* Your mortgage holder (bank).
* Your car note holder (the bank AGAIN).


Do I really need to go on?


These people CAN'T WAIT until the first of the month because they've set themselves up to receive the very thing that you provide them with every month..... RESIDUAL INCOME!


They don't care if you're struggling financially. They don't care if your dog died. They don't care if you were sick. THEY WANT THEIR MONEY EVERY MONTH. Period!


And you don't have a right to be mad at them. They were smart. They understood HOW to get wealthy.


They're IN THE GAME. You're not!


You chase money to hand it over to them so that they can put gas in their yachts, their planes, and their $300,000 sports cars.


You chase money to hand it over to them so that they can pay for their summer mansion in the south of France.


You actually tense up and get scared like a little kid when you don't have their money on time because you don't want them TO TAKE AWAY YOUR STUFF.


ACTUALLY, IT'S THEIR STUFF:


* Cable, Water, Phone etc.....


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Figured I had better archive this before Mr. Broke Again pulls down this pack of lies. I guess he forgot to tell you his real dream was begging for money online so he can spend his life in the gym. MLM sure isn't it!

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10-14-2010, 07:10 PM
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A 10 minute commercial from Troy Dooley. What the heck is a "narthisis"? Get a dictionary Troy. Or does saying that make me narcissistic?

Bottom line, nobody cares about Trey's personality...at least I don't. I just want distributors to know it is their money that funds this thing; not Trey's. Pretty vague on the Homebuilder explanation. What was the company Trey was hiding behind with 7,000 shares? Sounded like double speak to me.

Glad you cleared up the billionaire thing though. That took about one minute of the 10 minutes.

UB

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A 10 minute commercial from Troy Dooley. What the heck is a "narthisis"? Get a dictionary Troy. Or does saying that make me narcissistic?

Bottom line, nobody cares about Trey's personality...at least I don't. I just want distributors to know it is their money that funds this thing; not Trey's. Pretty vague on the Homebuilder explanation. What was the company Trey was hiding behind with 7,000 shares? Sounded like double speak to me.

Glad you cleared up the billionaire thing though. That took about one minute of the 10 minutes.

UB

That is un-bloody-believable.

I don't know if it's an American thing or more of the same ol' same ol' MLM fantasy B/S.

For chrissakes, the presenter is wearing an Evolv tee shirt while he spruiks the company line.


WAIT !!!!


WHAT'S THAT GURGLING SOUND I HEAR ?????



Oh yes,




it's the sound of Troy Dooley and the MLM Helplines' credibility being flushed.

Whip
10-14-2010, 08:00 PM
it's the sound of Troy Dooley and the MLM Helplines' credibility being flushed.
If you remember correctly, that was flushed long ago with 'Buzzirk Mobile' (or which ever crap alleged scam it was) when he shilled for a friend.

Undercover Brother
10-14-2010, 09:41 PM
I don't want to end the Troy feedback too soon. At least not before SBM has a chance to dissect his video, but this made me laugh. This is in response to a request to join Visalus by a former Evolver...

Jeremy Micheal Gilstrap: Yo hit me up I'm real interested in this as long as it works BC evolv was a bust
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Soapboxmom
10-14-2010, 10:29 PM
Troy Dooley spouting nonsense writes:
Breaking MLM News: Evolv Founder Trey White Comes Clean On Critics Concerns of Past Business Deals : MLM Help Desk Home Of The Maverick Leader – Troy Dooly (http://www.mlmhelpdesk.com/2010/10/14/breaking-mlm-news-evolv-founder-trey-white-comes-clean-on-critics-concerns-of-past-business-deals/)


Let’s look at a few of the very important issues surrounding Trey White and Evolv.
1. Is Trey White a Texas Billionaire? (http://evolvhealth.com/whatis_faq.asp?co_la=US_EN) The short answer is NO! As a matter of fact this is made very clear on the Evolv website in the FAQ section.
“The short answer is “no.” What Mr. White has done is to make smart business choices and, in focusing his professional investments on emerging markets and technologies. As a venture capitalist, Mr. White focuses his attention on new or emerging companies in the real estate and renewable energy industries, as well as companies offering a unique technology. While the companies he has founded or co-founded have put him in the top 1% of the 1% of the wealthiest people in the United States, Mr. White is not, in fact, a billionaire himself. Blog posts and rumors have recently surfaced stating Mr. White is a billionaire, and this is not true. Mr. White feels very strongly about making sure people understand the truth: that he is simply a highly successful businessman with a talent for choosing investments wisely. What he does is to use his well-honed business sense to select emerging companies and technologies with immense potential, and then gather a team of talented and dedicated people together to work toward realizing that potential. Currently, Mr. White is devoting his time and considerable energy and resources to helping Evolv, with its patented Archaea Active™ formula, become the next leader in the network marketing industry.”


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Then Troy will have to explain why the lying sack of dirt, Trey White, grins from ear to ear like the moronic idiot he is while an Evolver to introduces him as a multi-billionaire. Just more proof that this so called industry is filled with liars, cons and cheats.

Trey obviously needs the services of an Online Reputation Management Specialist and he ain't the only one!

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
10-15-2010, 02:43 AM
Trey obviously needs the services of an Online Reputation Management Specialist and he ain't the only one!

Soapboxmom

Who was it said that thing about "silk purses and sows' ears" ????

Mr White would need an ORMS with super powers, a big "S" on his chest and who wears his underpants on the outside of his leotards to salvage anything at all of from what's left of any "reputation" he ever had.

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Troy, your Nancy Drew impression has left me waning. Allow me to address your 10 minute "setting the record straight" video.

You spend the first 5 minutes implying that bloggers out there don't care for Trey's "narthisistic" personality. The fact that you don't know how to pronounce the word implies to me that you haven't seen any critic say that about Trey in a video blog, nor have you read it next to Trey's name recently, or you would know the word...unless you have a terrible lisp. If that is the case, I humbly apologize. The fact is, this is classic misdirection on your part. By spending the first half of your video refuting a non-point (created in your own imagination) you think you can sway the audience from paying attention to the real issues.

You spend the next couple of minutes blaming distribs for calling Trey a multi-billionaire. But, here is the thing, how Trey became a multi-millionaire is immaterial. I believe there is no shame in inheriting it. The problem is the implication that Trey has had several successful business ventures that created this wealth, and that gives potential distribs the false sense of security that his proven track record insures success with Evolv. It also implies that he has invested millions of his personal dollars in Evolv. I am certain that he put up at most $50,000 for a video and a website. He did not invest in equipment, factories, or vehicles. These are items normally associated with a legitimate business. Every item associated with Evolv's hard goods comes in the form of contract labor. Trey has no dog in this hunt.

I forget how the last three minutes go. By this time I had already lost interest in Troy, and was reading the comments at the bottom. Of course the usual suspects all weighed in: Kenn Dunn, who is two weeks away from winning $1,000,000 of his down-line's money, Garret, Jack, Jim Lutes, Tracey's wife...et al.

UB

Soapboxmom
10-15-2010, 12:26 PM
LRM and UB,

I found him! Here comes the superhero in the cape to save the day. This boy has a heart of gold and is a hot number in those drawers of his! Too bad he isn't an Online Reputation Management Specialist.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELNh23yRiJc

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-16-2010, 08:34 AM
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When you have what we have, you create noise... on the web, on the air, and in print. Learn the most recent news of EvolvHealth here.
Media Contact

Contact Nikki Baulisch for any media-related information at media@evolvhealth.com.
News Releases

* 8.13.2010 FutureCeuticals® Research Summary — Explanation of Results.
* 8.9.2010 FutureCeuticals® Research of Archaea Active™ Results in Unprecedented Endorsement.
* 6.21.2010 "Million Reasons to Evolv" Contest.

Two months since a new "press release". Has Evolv lost it's steam? 2,000+ T.O.P.G.U.N. pyramid schemers would say so. They had their Visalus kick-off last night in Atlanta. Their new Trey (Ryan Blair) was on hand...signing up suckers, and counting their money.

P.S.-Nice work Nikki. Way to keep the fires stoked.

UB

Undercover Brother
10-16-2010, 08:55 AM
Giving
Give. Share. Evolv!

For every case of Evolv water that sells, we will donate 1 bottle to charity. Each year, we will deliver thousands of bottles and additional benefits to charities chosen by our Evolv Members. As Evolv CEO Brent Hicks says, "With Evolv, the more you earn, the more you give." For Evolvers, it is the best of both worlds—to be able to make a difference with our product and do well financially.

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Stay tuned to hear how EvolvHealth is making a difference. We will be sending our top Evolv leaders around the world to share our products, time and capital resources to help make this world a better place. Evolv is our name but Evolv Yourself and Evolv the World is our purpose.

@Troy Dooly, instead of focusing on Trey's "narthisisim", could you do a little digging on this? I am here to help, since your math may be as rusty as your English...

Anne Bodack Smith claims 18 million in revenue in one year. Let's halve that number as it is most likely MLM hype. So, we have 9 million in revenue. Subtract about 3 million in sign-up fees and "tools", and we are left with 6 million from water sales. 6 million divided by $55/case equates to 109,000 cases. Trey pledged above to give 1 bottle to charity for every case sold, so by using a conservative look at THEIR numbers, that would be 109,000 bottles...or, 4,541 cases. I want to see documentation that Trey has given away 4,500 cases to charity BEFORE October 15th, 2010. I would be more impressed if he gave away the equivalent in cash. That would be $250,000 based on the $55/case price. If he wants to use his cost it would be $13,500 at $3/case.

Alright Troy, take it from there. Show your impartiality...get Trey back on the phone, and ask him about their "Giving" program.

UB

Soapboxmom
10-16-2010, 09:55 AM
Has Evolv lost it's steam? 2,000+ T.O.P.G.U.N. pyramid schemers would say so. They had their Visalus kick-off last night in Atlanta. Their new Trey (Ryan Blair) was on hand...signing up suckers, and counting their money.


UB
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10-16-2010, 11:05 AM
Man, I wish the T.O.P.G.U.N. crew would have stayed on board until the convention next month. I wanted to see a battle royal between T.O.P.G.U.N., Team Inspirit, and the Jaun Carlos Barrios Mexican Cartel. It would have been like the scene in Anchorman up it that Dallas Hotel.

YouTube - Anchorman Action Movie: Afternoon de Fight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ci4T_p559E&feature=related)

Undercover Brother
10-16-2010, 11:52 AM
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Ok, time to focus on Sandra Reed. In the screen capture she is basically calling Troy on his BS video, saying that the compensation plan is terrible, and Troy tells her to just quit. Using LRM's definitions, you would have to call her a "true believer". But do you have to feel sorry for her? Sandra had people in her house, telling them that Evolv has the best compensation plan in MLM. Was she lying when she said this? Better yet, has she learned her lesson? The short answer is NO! She has followed Yvonne Berry and Robert Dean to Visalus. (She's also pushing some kind of tanning bed massage table combo...I swear I can't make this stuff up.) If you go to her Facebook wall, she posts a note from Trey White to T.O.P.G.U.N. saying he is saddened that Robert Dean has left Evolv, because the "company" was making so much money. She then questions where the 18 million went if the "workers" didn't see any of it. She obviously isn't familiar with this website, because we have been telling her for months that the money went to Trey, Garret, Jim Lutes, Kenn Dunn, and...................ROBERT DEAN!

littleroundman
10-16-2010, 12:14 PM
Ok, time to focus on Sandra Reed. In the screen capture she is basically calling Troy on his BS video, saying that the compensation plan is terrible, and Troy tells her to just quit. Using LRM's definitions, you would have to call her a "true believer". But do you have to feel sorry for her?

Not at all.

It is helpful, however, to "know your enemy"

What works when debating a career fraudster of the "Trey White" type doesn't necessarily carry any weight when addressing a "true believer" and DEFINITELY doesn't work when God is introduced into the equation.

Soapboxmom
10-16-2010, 03:45 PM
Sandra Reed (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000423677050)We were surprised and saddened to learn that Robert Dean has made the decision to move elsewhere. With the incredible success we have had in our first year, achieving $18 Million in sales and impacting thousands
of people with our technology, we were looking forward to a long and successful relationship with each other. The company made 18 million and the workers made how little??????????


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Robert Dean is doing the jump and dump with lightening speed. The top guys rake in a fortune in sign-up fees and delight in hopping from one MLM to the next (remember Tahitian Noni and Monavie). So much for the magic water! Let's watch and see how long this gig lasts!

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10-16-2010, 03:51 PM
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TNI and the Restraining Order against Robert Dean Jr. (http://noni.worldwidewarning.net/www/archives/150)
February 5, 2009

U.S. COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH CENTRAL DIVISION
Tahitian Noni International vs. Robert L. Dean Jr (http://noni.worldwidewarning.net/www/archives/133), Top Gun International (http://noni.worldwidewarning.net/www/the-topgun-of-betrayal), Herschel Gibbs, Bridges International, Donna Allen, Preprospecter Inc, and Noni Matters.

Some highlights of Case No. 2:09-CV-51 TS (https://ecf.utd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2009cv0051-15):
On December 19, 2008, Dean demanded an advance on the Cash Award in the amount of $100,000.00. Plaintiffs complied, depositing the funds into Dean’s bank account. Within a short time of receiving the funds, Dean announced that he was working for and promoting one of Plaintiff’s competitors (the “Competitor”). Dean also began actively soliciting members of his downline to end their relationship with TNI and join the Competitor.
Plaintiff represented to the Court during oral arguments that Dean’s exit will likely reduce Plaintiff’s revenues by approximately 3%.
The Court finds that there is a substantial likelihood of success on the merits, based on Section A.10.B. of the Manual. The Court also finds that Dean’s promotion of a competitor’s product while still employed by Plaintiff is causing irreparable harm to Plaintiff’s goodwill.
The parties represent that the IPC Agreement expires in May 2009, only four months away. The evidence presently before the Court indicates that Dean has taken no actions to terminate the IPC Agreement prematurely, so that his continued work for Plaintiff is entirely his own responsibility. Finally, the Court finds that there are no public policy arguments against issuance of a Preliminary Injunction based solely on Section A.10.B. of the Manual.

It is therefore ORDERED that Plaintiff’s Motion for a Preliminary Injunction is GRANTED in part and DENIED in part. The Injunction is as follows:
During the term of the contract IPC contract between Robert L. Dean, Jr. and Tahitian Noni International, Inc., and for one year thereafter, Robert L. Dean, Jr. and Top Dog International shall not promote or sell any non-Tahitian Noni® brand ingestible or topical products derived from the Morinda citrifolia plant.
Until such time as Robert L. Dean, Jr. ceases to be an IPC for Tahitian Noni International, Inc., Robert L. Dean, Jr. and Top Dog International shall not promote or sell any non-Tahitian Noni® brand liquid dietary supplement without prior written approval from Tahitian Noni International, Inc.
Plaintiff shall post a bond in the amount of $10,000.00. This Preliminary Injunction shall become effective immediately upon posting the bond.
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Ouch! Check out the comments on that page as well! Will Trey White be desperate enough to initiate legal action???

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-16-2010, 11:43 PM
Sandra Reed: Hey Brother Rob I would have rather you made 18million in those ten months!!! Hell we would had better chance of making more loot! Safe Gard your worth, weigh yourself like gold baby boy(B4 you loss the weight) LOL. I learned a lot from you and for that I must say"thanks"! I moved on from Evolv way before the rest because that ship's currant was to rough!

Uggggh! I don't even know who to pull for anymore. I think it is kind of funny that Robert Dean left Evolv high and dry, but it is obvious that he has fooled Sandra into thinking none of T.O.P.G.U.N. made any money. Sandra, Robert Dean and Yvonne Berry made money...they took your money.

I can't figure out if Robert's son, Robert Dean III made any money with Keith Dorsey. They are so uneducated it is almost impossible to muddle through their Facebook and website postings, however, there is one posting from Dean III today where he compares Visalus to felling like they are back with Noni. I doubt the Noni leadership thinks that is funny.

One more question..Does the exodus of T.O.P.G.U.N mean they won't still be consuming the product...as consumers? Their Youtube videos had me convinced that the "product" was something they couldn't imagine living without. I'm sure they told Trey to keep them on autoship.

UB-Confused

Soapboxmom
10-17-2010, 09:29 AM
UB,

I don't think Robert Dean drank nearly enough of the magic "zero water." Kevin Miller of TexasLending.com was bragging in the newest Team InSpirit video that he lost 35 pounds with Evolv.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
10-17-2010, 10:25 AM
Watch this ridiculous video Robert Dean joins Forces with Visalus Sciences bringing the TOPGUN and YOUNGGUNS Team to the WORLD (http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=aMRFk6c7r_E)

I think the following is the perfect response to that tripe:

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Trey White better get busy. The recruits are jumping this Titanic in record numbers. Time for more fantastic hype and keeping the peons locked beneath the deck perhaps.

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-17-2010, 11:09 AM
YouTube - YOUNGGUNSTEAM's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/YOUNGGUNSTEAM)

This video is way better. Here come the promises...$10,000/month, etc., etc. A room full of suckers! Anyone who believes there is any difference between Garret McGrath and this guy are just plain wrong. I'm sure that Garret is kicking himself for not jumping first.

littleroundman
10-17-2010, 11:45 AM
Geebus,

someone needs to print a cast of characters to help people trying to figure out who's who.

The video on YouTube above the one regarding Robert Dean and Visalus is a video of Robert Dean thanking Monavie for making him filthy rich.

Now you're telling me he's shilling for Visalus.

Where did he squeeze in the time to make another squillion bucks in Evolv ???

Soapboxmom
10-17-2010, 11:57 AM
UB,

We are watching the same video on different channels. Oh, the humanity! This is much bigger than the second coming!

Soapboxmom

Undercover Brother
10-17-2010, 12:33 PM
someone needs to print a cast of characters to help people trying to figure out who's who.


I will take a shot at this..but its a biased list based on the characters I am following.

As the World (of Evolv) turns

The products:

Evolv Water: As far as I can tell, it is a private label water being bottled by a contract bottler (not owned by Evolv or Trey) It is in pre-launch...whatever that means.

Evolv Gel: A topical application that cures ailments and diseases. This will be introduced next month. I assume it will be pre-launch as well.

Cast:

Trey White and Brent Hicks: Owners/Founders...involved in a series of failed businesses discover the easy money in MLM in September of 2009. Preying on the weak-minded and desperate is the name of their new game.

Jason Fraser and Larry Seegar: Good friends of Trey. Placed at the top of the pyramid without having to do too much recruiting.

Anne Bodack Smith and Nikki Baulisch: Employees of Evolv. No idea what they do, but I think they are paid to keep the masses confused.

Garret McGrath, Jim Lutes and Robert Dean Jr.: Three serial MLMers. They are "Master Distributors" in Evolv. I'm not sure what Jim Lutes calls his lemmings, but Garret's are tagged with the Team Inspirit moniker and Robert Dean's are T.O.P.G.U.N. As we now know, Dean left earlier this month, taking his 2,000 followers to Visalus.

Kenn Dunn: Recently left an MLM run by a guy named Max where he claims he was unfairly ousted despite making $120,000/month. Claims he is now making that same number with Evolv. Not sure how he got so high, so fast, but he is up there.

Juan Carlos Barrios: to Mexico what Kenn Dunn is to Canada.

Jack Weinzerl and Shanna McDonald: Two brain-washed members of Team Inspirit. Both pretty far down the pyramid, but both very active in all the "tools" MLM claims you need to execute to be successful. They are the two I follow the closest, because I'm curious if someone that is not friends with the top can make any money. I thought Jack gave up last month, but I may be wrong.

Keith Dorsey: Probably the most brain-washed MLMer I have seen in the last year. A blindly loyal follower of Robert Dean. Completely misguided on what a career and being a productive member of society means.

Yvonne Berry: Robert Dean's right hand woman. My problem with her is all the Youtube videos from all the different companies where she promises early retirement to any who follow.

Tracey Tigglemen: Former MMA fighter. Lied about his business acumen when luring followers into the pyramid.

Under Cover Brother: Just someone who found this real life drama more entertaining than television. I would also like to add that 99% of what I write is in jest. I have no animosity towards any of the players. I just find their words interesting, and use the same tactic they use (the internet) to point out how ridiculous they sound.

I think that is all for now. This is the soap opera as I know it.

littleroundman
10-17-2010, 08:20 PM
Robert Dean's are T.O.P.G.U.N. As we now know, Dean left earlier this month, taking his 2,000 followers to Visalus.

Ah,

NOW I begin to understand,

so, Robert Dean left Monavie, where he claims to have made squillions, went to Evolv, where he made ANOTHER squillion and now he's gonna make even more at Visalus.

Or, perhaps he made a fortune at Monavie, nothing at Evolv, was down to his last few bucks and HAD to go to Visalus before he was completely broke.

We'll just have to tune in for the next exciting episode.


I would also like to add that 99% of what I write is in jest.

How else could anyone act ????

Unless you were caught in a weak moment and were suckered in, the whole thing is funnier than a barrel of monkeys.

The funniest part, for me, is reading pro MLM forums and watching the posters earnestly discussing comp. plans and "pre launch" strategies and generally carrying on as if what Evolv doing is "real" and it's not just selling high priced, mislabeled tap water.

I mean, over time observers have come to expect the spin that comes from inside a fraudulent operation, but watching "true believers" detached from reality and operating inside their own little bubble of "comp. plans" and "opportunity" and "lifestyle options" and "choices" is, to me, at least, a fascinating exercise.

Undercover Brother
10-18-2010, 06:46 AM
LRM,

1.) What is the website that is pro-mlm (Evolv)
2.) Are you following any of the players, or are you more interested in the product and it's drama with MD Anderson?

My interest with the product is how it relates to the players, and the obvious questions that they don't want to ask...

1.) If the product contains a formula that did half the things they claim, there would be a national media frenzy on the science. It would be covered extensively by every outlet, there would be awards given out. The FDA would be involved. And despite none of this happening, Evolvers continue to make claims that it helped their kids with Asthma, cured their grandma of Gout, and helped their kid's football team win a state championship.

2.) If this was a serious mixture of a major scientific breakthrough and natural spring water, it would not be mixed at a contract water bottler in Northern Arkansas...without the watchful eye of Trey making weekly visits. If not Trey, it would be someone mentioned in the propaganda. We know about all the players on the business side. We know about the "scientists" (The Collins Twins). We know about the communications team; Jon Gilliam, Nikki, and Anne. But, we have not heard about one person involved in quality control, mixing, or factory operations...and the only reason is because that is a position not necessary, and therefore doesn't exist. This is something people are putting in their body, yet you never hear about quality control or security. It is ridiculous to think that the owners of this product, if it were legitimate, would not be more heavily involved in the actual product. Looking forward to the November convention...three weeks away.

UB

littleroundman
10-18-2010, 10:11 AM
LRM,

1.) What is the website that is pro-mlm (Evolv)
2.) Are you following any of the players, or are you more interested in the product and it's drama with MD Anderson?



Before I answer #1

CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED the author is not responsible for any and all consequences of spending any more than short periods of time reading the content of:

http://www.mlm.com (http://www.mlm.com/)

2) The psychology of the whole "scam" business is what interests and fascinates me.

WRT Evolv itself, maybe I am misguided, but I happen to agree with Abraham Lincolns' observation: "You can fool all of the people some of the time............etc"

IM(very)HO, the only remaining question WRT Evolv is "when" and not "if" it simply implodes.

In the grand scheme of things, compared to some of the other scams around, Evolv is merely a pimple on the MLM ass.

Whip
10-18-2010, 01:28 PM
Before I answer #1

CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED the author is not responsible for any and all consequences of spending any more than short periods of time reading the content of:

http://www.mlm.com (http://www.mlm.com/)

2) The psychology of the whole "scam" business is what interests and fascinates me.

WRT Evolv itself, maybe I am misguided, but I happen to agree with Abraham Lincolns' observation: "You can fool all of the people some of the time............etc"

IM(very)HO, the only remaining question WRT Evolv is "when" and not "if" it simply implodes.

In the grand scheme of things, compared to some of the other scams around, Evolv is merely a pimple on the MLM ass.


Did you read the MyPillagingBusiness thread there? It's a riot.