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A Life Aloft
03-28-2011, 11:58 AM
Judy you are full of it. Plain and simple. My advice can be found on a million websites from podiatrists in this country and in your own. These are not opinions, they are facts. You wouldn't know the difference. No surprise there. Nothing matters to you except being the Queen of clap trap. So you go ahead and keep pissing, moaning, groaning, playing the victim, pretending to be the spokesperson for the universe and ignoring the truth. It's what you do best. I am very well informed on this subject since I have had foot issues for many decades and also see a podiatrist, wear custom orthotics and get pedicures every few weeks. Your issue is your total disregard for the truth and the facts, because they contradict your continued drivel. You like to pretend to be an expert, yet you are completely clueless. Amateur? And were is your medical degree, dear? At least I am still playing with a full deck of cards. The same cannot however, be said for you. Have any more mountains you would like to create out of moehills today? Any more Drama/Victim Queen moments in your bag? Save them for another forum. In fact go get your feet nibbled on by some defecating fish as soon as possible. I'll even pay for it. Might solve more than one problem.

path2prosperity
03-28-2011, 12:14 PM
Judy you are full of it. Plain and simple. My advice can be found on a million websites from podiatrists in this country and in your own. These are not opinions, they are facts. You wouldn't know the difference. No surprise there. Nothing matters to you except being the Queen of clap trap. So you go ahead and keep pissing, moaning, groaning, playing the victim, pretending to be the spokesperson for the universe and ignoring the truth. It's what you do best. I am very well informed on this subject since I have had foot issues for many decades and also see a podiatrist, wear custom orthotics and get pedicures every few weeks. Your issue is your total disregard for the truth and the facts, because they contradict your continued drivel. You like to pretend to be an expert, yet you are completely clueless. Amateur? And were is your medical degree, dear? At least I am still playing with a full deck of cards. The same cannot however, be said for you. Have any more mountains you would like to create out of moehills today? Any more Drama/Victim Queen moments in your bag? Save them for another forum. In fact go get your feet nibbled on by some defecating fish as soon as possible. I'll even pay for it. Might solve more than one problem.

Get stuffed.

A Life Aloft
03-28-2011, 12:15 PM
Get stuffed.Perhaps that's your real issue, Judy. How many decades has it been now?

Or you could just tell us all about how you left Adland back in 2006 again.

Here you go Juders.... try these on.... should solve your problems.........

http://blogs.discovery.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/17/1193267961_28.jpg

WishfulThinking
03-28-2011, 04:46 PM
ALA. It was a perfectly reasonable question about a new treatment that is being pushed in many countries.

Foot problems may be helped by proper care and attention from childhood, but it doesn't completely prevent any number of situations that require medical treatment later on. Women especially suffer the damage from wearing high heeled shoes when they were younger, but the problems start later on and I dont think we want the worlds womanhood to spend their lives walking around in sensible orthopedic shoes - do we.

Sensible care and footwear later on may help, but it is not the panacea that you are suggesting for a large number of sufferers - and neither are man (or woman) eating fish. If it was all as simple as you make out, most people would be walking on air without even having to contemplate a move to Down Under! Ask anyone with foot problems.

A Life Aloft
03-28-2011, 08:01 PM
No one questioned asking about the fish therapy. She was presented with information about that from LRM but that wasn't enough apparently. It only led to a whole other discussion, more whining and ranting. The problem here is two fold. The issues of fallen arches, corns, callusues, pronation of the knees, hip and back issues in relation to walking and other issues can and will be helped by proper shoes, padded inserts, orthotics, ongoing care of your feet, etc. The issue is that most people do not bother til the issues are way out of control. As LRM pointed out: "How on earth did we get from flesh eating fish to discussing the treatment and possible consequences of ingrown toenails ????" And the issues brought up by the drama Queen after the initial question here were corns, calluses and ingrown toe nails. All of which are mostly, mostly preventable and easily addressed by doing seveal things which I have pointed out. Most people don't wear properly fitted shoes and spend their lives in shoes that ruin their feet and then have issues. It isn't like I just made this **** up or pulled this info out of my ass. But to listen to what has been posted here, you would think that corns and calluses and ingrown toenails were the ruination and plague of the 21st century and millions are suffering with no hope or treatment in sight and nothing preventive that can be done. It's all about prevention and perspective and proper care. Then to be told that what I posted was rubbish, that's the final ass straw for me from our local whack job. I have spent many years researching foot, knee and back issues related to feet and seen more than one professional on an ongoing basis. What I am saying is not rubbish and then I am told I have an bloody amateur opinion and should stick to give advice on subjects in which I am informed. The problem is that I am informed and educated and experienced on this issue. I have also been seeing an Orthopedic Surgeon and a Podiatrist for many years so it is not like I am the cluless asshole that Judy seems to think that everyone except her, is. Obesity is also a major cause of foot issues. I am not going to put up with continued drama queen bullshit on here from a crazy person with issues, who has lied many times on this forum, and on other forums, caused all sorts of issues on those forums, has no credilbility whatsoever as far as I am concerned, with a reputation that proceeds her all over the internet.

Then she says the issues arise when people loose weight and no longer have as much fat on the bottoms of their feet? WTF? Loosing weight can greatly reduce foot and knee and back issues. Fat on the bottom of your feet is lost when you lose weight. Cripes, give me a fricking break. That is why there are zillions of padded and gel inserts that one can put in their shoes. How much fat do you think is actually lost when someone diets? Good grief. Our feet wear out some after decades of life on the planet. There is not much fat on the soles of your feet to begin with. That statement alone of hers is just pure tripe. Look a thousand obese men and women. Where is the fat? Hips, thighs, asses, stomachs and upper arms and sometimes lower legs. Look at the bottoms of their feet and tell me they are "fat" or that when you lose weight you lose a lot fat from the soles of your feet. Your feet consist of 52 bones, 66 joints, 214 ligaments, and 38 muscles and not a lot of fat. And what fat pads there are simply wear out over time. You don't lose them due to weight loss. lmao Yet I am told I have no idea what the hell I am talking about. We were not discussiing bunions, hammertoes and Morton's Neuromas and other serious issues which require that you see a specialist. This is not rocket science.

Look what she did to Lynn's thread for example. Tangents, off topic posting and drama are her specialty. The thread was about Lynn, Eagle and his article in the OC Register. What did Juders do? Does she congradulate Lynn or say anything about the article? Hell no. Instead she ruins the thread, takes it totally off topical and copies and pastes several pages of complete drivel unrelated to anything about Lynn or Eagle from some MLM scammer! She can't even start a separate thread on this rubbish, that no one gives a crap about in the first place and no one is going to read. Instead, she just destroys the thread about Lynn. She couldn't even just put a link instead. We just get pages of drivel.

As far as high heels, there is a place for them in limited wear (and the heels do not have to be 5 inch spikes) and even then it depends on the health of the women's feet, and back. No one should be wearing high heels for decades all day long, every day (even work days). They are more of a special occassion footwear and again for limited amounts of time and depending on someone's foot, knee, back and hip issues. Almost everyone can greatly benefit by being fitted for custom orthotics. They even make inserts and orthotics for high heeled shoes now. And several shoe makers are making some pretty cute and dressy shoes which are comfortable yet stylish to wear.

But then some people don't want help, suggestions or solutions. They don't know how to dialogue with anyone and actually learn anything. They just want to rant and be victims and have causes and will believe they are always right no matter what. But again, I am just full of ****.

A Life Aloft
03-28-2011, 08:45 PM
and neither are man (or woman) eating fish. Btw, When did I ever mention eating fish? It's also not a single panacea as you have stated that I have presented here, it's a regiment of several things that one needs to be doing for proper foot care and they need to be done faithfully over the long haul. There are no panceas involved. I guess you missed all of that as well. But I am glad to know that is what you got from all that I have stated here. I am not surprised given the circumstances. Frankly, I no longer give a **** anymore.

laidback
03-28-2011, 08:46 PM
Forget the fish oils....Just move Down-Under where you'll be walking on soft streets :RpS_biggrin:

No, thanks. If they repeal the law of gravity, everybody will fall off!

okosh
03-28-2011, 11:42 PM
At least I am still playing with a full deck of cards.

You want a 2nd opinion on that?? :RpS_laugh:



It's all negative and miserable with you isn't it?

As it is with you :RpS_wink:




They don't know how to dialogue with anyone and actually learn anything. They just want to rant and be victims and have causes and will believe they are always right no matter what. But again, I am just full of ****.

This is exactly what your problem is....You rant and rave and talk down to anyone who don't pat you on the head....
You never got a nice word to say to anyone....
You think you know everything and that you're always right and that only your opinion counts....
You show no respect to other members of this forum who are just here to learn and share opinions...

For all your knowledge you're just a pathetic angry old man :RpS_thumbdn:

okosh
03-28-2011, 11:44 PM
Get stuffed.

C'mon Judy....You can do better then that....Stand up to this "A Life Aloft" bully :RpS_smile:

A Life Aloft
03-28-2011, 11:54 PM
Sad day for this forum when we inherited some of the worst of the worst from Talk Gold. Perhaps you could enlist Judy's buddy who is posting here with two identities as well. She's already run to Juders defense as usual. You assholes have screwed this place. You made assholes of yourselves over there and now here. It was only a matter of time. Just took some of you longer to out yourselves than it did for others. You idiots deserve eachother. **** always floats eventually and the stench around here is pretty bad now.

okosh
03-29-2011, 12:11 AM
Sad day for this forum when we inherited some of the worst of the worst from Talk Gold. Perhaps you could enlist Judy's buddy who is posting here with two identities as well. She's already run to Juders defense as usual. You assholes have screwed this place. You made assholes of yourselves over there and now here. It was only a matter of time. Just took some of you longer to out yourselves than it did for others. You idiots deserve eachother. **** always floats eventually and the stench around here is pretty bad now.

You need help finding the door??....
Hint: It's the red "X" at the top right of your screen :RpS_wink:

okosh
03-29-2011, 12:13 AM
Perhaps you could enlist Judy's buddy who is posting here with two identities as well.

Whose posting here with "two identities" Mr know-it-all????....

path2prosperity
03-29-2011, 02:11 AM
Look what she did to Lynn's thread for example. Tangents, off topic posting and drama are her specialty. The thread was about Lynn, Eagle and his article in the OC Register. What did Juders do? Does she congradulate Lynn or say anything about the article? Hell no. Instead she ruins the thread, takes it totally off topical and copies and pastes several pages of complete drivel unrelated to anything about Lynn or Eagle from some MLM scammer!

I was the first to congratulate Lynne when Eddie opened a thread. Why was there a need for a second thread on this subject? http://www.realscam.com/f16/eagle-research-news-608/

A Life Aloft
03-29-2011, 02:15 AM
I was the first to congratulate Lynne when Eddie opened a thread. Why was there a need for a second thread on this subject? http://www.realscam.com/f16/eagle-research-news-608/Why was there the need for you to jack up this thread with a bunch of worthless cut and paste tripe?

http://www.realscam.com/f12/lynn-edgingtons-orange-county-register-article-611/#post7758

Hurry up and get your buddy with the multiple ids, pretending to be two different posters on here to run to your rescue, dear. You Talk Gold rejects are quite the slimy bunch.

path2prosperity
03-29-2011, 02:21 AM
C'mon Judy....You can do better then that....Stand up to this "A Life Aloft" bully :RpS_smile:

The man has been given enough rope to hang himself. We will see what he decides to do with it.

A Life Aloft
03-29-2011, 02:28 AM
The man has been given enough rope to hang himself. We will see what he decides to do with it.You hung yourself the first day you ever set foot on any internet forum. Now you brought the same bullshit here that you have pulled for years on every forum that you have ever belonged to. Congrads. You done nothing but lie since you got here and stir up ****. Why don't you send a few dozen more pms to the Mods. That and get your multi id using buddy to do the same again. I am sure she'll be along any time now to defend you again. You two have been joined at the hip for years. I knew you assholes were trouble from the onset. So far, I have not been wrong. Let's see just how long it takes you to muck up this place like everything else you have ever touched. You lot are off to a fine start thus far. Going to be sad to watch, but predictable. Too bad things weren't handled better from the get go. Have at it Judy, the dye is cast. I simply don't give a **** any longer.

Unsaved Trash
03-29-2011, 03:12 AM
Whose posting here with "two identities" Mr know-it-all????....

It's a fact and I'm not happy about it either. If you bend the rules for one, then it opens the entire place up to everyone with Multiple Identity Posting Disorder. Mods? Please enforce the rules. One username per IP.

okosh
03-29-2011, 03:18 AM
It's a fact and I'm not happy about it either. If you bend the rules for one, then it opens the entire place up to everyone with Multiple Identity Posting Disorder. Mods? Please enforce the rules. One username per IP.

Thanks but this doesn't answer the question of who has 2 user names here....

okosh
03-29-2011, 03:21 AM
The man has been given enough rope to hang himself. We will see what he decides to do with it.

He's what you Poms and us Aussies call a "******"....

path2prosperity
03-29-2011, 03:46 AM
He's what you Poms and us Aussies call a "******"....

Every dog has its day and this one poses as an expert on almost everything including the behavior of guilty dogs. Perhaps his canine friends can help him recover some self esteem, as he has had his day.

http://www.realscam.com/f34/guilty-dog-605/

okosh
03-29-2011, 04:34 AM
Every dog has its day and this one poses as an expert on almost everything including the behavior of guilty dogs. Perhaps his canine friends can help him recover some self esteem, as he has had his day.

http://www.realscam.com/f34/guilty-dog-605/

Yep..."A Life Aloft" aka "Unsaved Trash" is a legend in his own lunchbox....

laidback
03-29-2011, 10:09 AM
Sad day for this forum when we inherited some of the worst of the worst from Talk Gold. Perhaps you could enlist Judy's buddy who is posting here with two identities as well. She's already run to Juders defense as usual. You assholes have screwed this place. You made assholes of yourselves over there and now here. It was only a matter of time. Just took some of you longer to out yourselves than it did for others. You idiots deserve eachother. **** always floats eventually and the stench around here is pretty bad now.

Well, I can take a hint! My presence is apparently not desired due to my being "the worst of the worst at Talk Gold"! I had thought that this forum was a place for discussion and exposure of online scams, but it seems to have to degenerated to accusations and insults rather than an adult discussion of differences of opinion. Don't you people get enough of that kind of garbage from shills and pimps that you have to attack each other? That sure presents a united front to the thieves and their puppets...! I'm outta here.

Seriously?
03-29-2011, 12:19 PM
OK. Enough. First off, Unsaved Trash and A Life Aloft are definitely not the same person. Secondly, ALA, if you don't like what P2Pposts, put her on ignore and carry on. Let's try to be a little more civil.

Soapboxmom
03-29-2011, 01:07 PM
Thank you Seriously?. I have had requests that were totally reasonable to change usernames and folks that had difficulty logging in or lost their passwords etc. that needed various kinds of assistance. Does that answer that question?

Back to the little fishies. That doesn't sound advisable.

ALA did make excellent points about footcare. As my mother owrked for a Podiatrist for 2 decades I have heard it all. Around these parts they recommend SAS (San Antonio Shoes). They come in every size possibly known to man and are made with the most divine soft leather imaginable.

Path2Prosperity, I do feel for your tender tootsies. Older folks, even those who have taken excellent care of the feet, often suffer with corns and ingrown toenails etc. Most of the patients my mom worked with were elderly and many had issues with circulation in their feet and sometimes diabetes. Then of course there were the athletes that had injuries. Nothing like a foot soak, sanding and foot massage at a Podiatrist office!

Soapboxmom

okosh
03-29-2011, 01:22 PM
Well, I can take a hint! My presence is apparently not desired due to my being "the worst of the worst at Talk Gold"! I had thought that this forum was a place for discussion and exposure of online scams, but it seems to have to degenerated to accusations and insults rather than an adult discussion of differences of opinion. Don't you people get enough of that kind of garbage from shills and pimps that you have to attack each other? That sure presents a united front to the thieves and their puppets...! I'm outta here.

Not true....This is just a forum for "A Life Aloft" aka "Unsaved Trash" to insult, attack, bully and bite anyones head off who dares to even discuss or ask questions about anything to do with online stuff or investment....

As much as I hate to admit it....Buster may have been right about this place....He did try to warn us but of course we didn't listen....

Unsaved Trash
03-29-2011, 02:14 PM
Not true....This is just a forum for "A Life Aloft" aka "Unsaved Trash" to insult, attack, bully and bite anyones head off who dares to even discuss or ask questions about anything to do with online stuff or investment....

As much as I hate to admit it....Buster may have been right about this place....He did try to warn us but of course we didn't listen....

If you read my one post on this entire thread, it doesn't insult. It only confirmed what one person brought to light. I usually don't comment on these types of threads since they're basically worthless.

Soapboxmom
03-29-2011, 02:15 PM
Well, I can take a hint! My presence is apparently not desired due to my being "the worst of the worst at Talk Gold"! I had thought that this forum was a place for discussion and exposure of online scams, but it seems to have to degenerated to accusations and insults rather than an adult discussion of differences of opinion. Don't you people get enough of that kind of garbage from shills and pimps that you have to attack each other? That sure presents a united front to the thieves and their puppets...! I'm outta here.
I apologize for it not being more welcoming here. I hope you will reconsider.

I have been tied up looking after my son who had to have his shoulder in a sling after wiping out on his scooter again! He just needs a padded suit!

This discord apparently started in the Kirk thread and I kindly suggest we all leave it there. Let's move on to other subjects of interest.

Thanks,

Soapboxmom

path2prosperity
03-29-2011, 02:35 PM
ALA did make excellent points about footcare. As my mother owrked for a Podiatrist for 2 decades I have heard it all. Soapboxmom

ALA did make some goood points about footcare but he assumed that he was able to speak for everybody and evey condition. He may have visited numerous podiatrists and an orthopaedic surgeon about HIS CONDITION. That does not qualify him to pontificate about other peoples case histories.

ALA spoke about Morton's Neuroma. My doctor sent me to an orthopaedic surgeon about a condition that he thought could be Morton's Neuroma about fifteen years ago. The surgeon advised surgery and he told me that there was no alternative.

My doctor said that any medical diagnosis on the feet was extremely difficult as there were so many joints ligaments etc in the feet. He said, that he always advised patients to get as many opinions as possible before making decisions. I had been seeing an alternative medical practitioner on a regular basis then. She thought that the surgeon was wrong, that my symptoms could have been caused by a number of other things. I tried her homeopathic remedies instead of surgery and the condition was cleared up in a few weeks. Whatever caused my symptoms remains unknown but not all orthopaedic surgeons are right every time so I consider listening to an airline pilot who thinks he knows so much about the subject, to be the height of folly.

path2prosperity
03-29-2011, 02:41 PM
ALA did make excellent points about footcare. As my mother owrked for a Podiatrist for 2 decades I have heard it all. Soapboxmom

Sorry about the double post.

path2prosperity
03-29-2011, 02:55 PM
It has looked as if ALA owns this forum for a long time "okosh." The owner of this forum wants to remain anonomous. Can we have any assurances that it is not ALA?

Soapboxmom
03-29-2011, 03:19 PM
It has looked as if ALA owns this forum for a long time "okosh." The owner of this forum wants to remain anonomous. Can we have any assurances that it is not ALA?I can guarantee you it is not ALA. When I left Scam a very dashing, debonair gentleman asked me to run this forum.

ALA and I are long time friends from Scam. It got very heated over there and he always had my back. I had a scammer with 9 IDs and a proxy server accusing me of making death threats and stalking people. That scammer tried to get my children removed by child protective services among other vile things. ALA is really a great guy. He does take things very seriously, however.

I do not like the atmosphere and I must insist we see more respectful responses. If anyone has been made to feel unwelcome you have my personal apology. I will be around more as my son is doing better. Do use the ignore button when needed. I wish I could use one on my son who has begged for a skateboard a million times even after the doctor seconded my flat out no this morning.

Soapboxmom

Lil Ol' Radical Me
03-29-2011, 05:22 PM
Hello, ALA, are you talking about me? I used to post as alasycia but asked SBM if I could change my ID as it is also my business name and that has nothing to do with anti scam stuff, but I'm not pretending to be two people, I havent posted on this thread as you all seemed to be doing fine without me and it was getting very unpleasant, so if not I apologise. I am sorry about Judy's feet though and am glad she is not going to let the fish eat her flesh after posting here and I am going to stick up for her about feet, as I didnt look after mine and do all the stuff you suggested and now am paying for it.

People, this personal and "us and them" crap is getting very childish IMHO. We all come from different places. I posted on Patrick P's blog, the old ASD forum until banned and Scam, some of you posted on WLD, TG, MMG, Quatloos and others, and some posted on nearly all of them. We are all here because we hate scams and to post information on them to help people find out the truth. I have the greatest respect for all the members here who are willing to give their time and energy to do this, and I certainly include you, UT and Okosh in that list, but couldnt give a sh*t what forum they posted on before and wish we could let the subject drop (and by the way Okosh and Judy TG can be just as inhospitable as any other forum if they dont know you.)

SBM sorry to hear about your son- the only suggestion I can offer is to lock him up until he is 21, I never found a solution.lol

path2prosperity
03-29-2011, 06:22 PM
I can guarantee you it is not ALA. ALA and I are long time friends from Scam. ALA is really a great guy. He does take things very seriously.
Soapboxmom

I am very glad to heat that he is not the owner. I am sorry that you have had so much trouble with your son and enemies who hound you. I have had some very formidable enemies in my life and it is tough being a fighting mum.

okosh
03-29-2011, 09:42 PM
If you read my one post on this entire thread, it doesn't insult. It only confirmed what one person brought to light. I usually don't comment on these types of threads since they're basically worthless.

Under the "Unsaved Trash" user name was refering to your posts here for which you should be shown the door :RpS_wink:
http://www.realscam.com/f9/trivita-develop-relationship-god-184/index2.html#post7869

littleroundman
03-29-2011, 10:23 PM
As much as I hate to admit it....Buster may have been right about this place....He did try to warn us but of course we didn't listen....

Now THAT'S a low blow.

okosh
03-29-2011, 10:58 PM
Now THAT'S a low blow.

But not without an element of truth....

littleroundman
03-30-2011, 12:10 AM
It's one of those things that slots nicely into the "that's what happens" category.

We're on a forum with a current membership of 470, all from different backgrounds and experiences and it's run by moderators, not dictators or schoolteachers.

We deal with a highly emotionally charged subject in a field full of chicanery, trickery, subterfuge and downright criminality.

Anyone who imagines for one second it's even remotely possible to satisfy all of the members all of the time probably believes in Mary Poppins and Pollyanna as well.

path2prosperity
03-30-2011, 04:53 AM
We're on a forum with a current membership of 470, all from different backgrounds and experiences and it's run by moderators, not dictators or schoolteachers.We deal with a highly emotionally charged subject in a field full of chicanery, trickery, subterfuge and downright criminality.



Very true but it is not right to condemn all members of one cyberspace community because a top dog in one has taken a dislike to a member in another.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
03-30-2011, 05:51 AM
littleroundman

Re: Fish Threapy. I might give this a try.
It's one of those things that slots nicely into the "that's what happens" category.

We're on a forum with a current membership of 470, all from different backgrounds and experiences and it's run by moderators, not dictators or schoolteachers.

We deal with a highly emotionally charged subject in a field full of chicanery, trickery, subterfuge and downright criminality.

Anyone who imagines for one second it's even remotely possible to satisfy all of the members all of the time probably believes in Mary Poppins and Pollyanna as well.


BRAVO LRM.

And if anyone feels the need to continue this ridiculous conversation, take it down to Rants and Raves where it belongs, along with all the other off topic rants that have been going on lately - and that includes all the posters not just one.

littleroundman
03-30-2011, 06:07 AM
BRAVO LRM.

And if anyone feels the need to continue this ridiculous conversation, take it down to Rants and Raves where it belongs, along with all the other off topic rants that have been going on lately - and that includes all the posters not just one.

Soooooooooo,

you're admitting you're old enough to remember both Pollyanna AND Mary Poppins then ???

Verrrrrrrry interesting :RpS_wink::RpS_wink::RpS_wink:

scratchycat
03-30-2011, 10:14 AM
Hello again Folks! It surely is nice to be back in touch with the world. During a thunderstorm a week and half ago our satellite modem decided to retire for good. It has taken this long to get a tech out to replace it. Living in the country is great but it does have its quirks.

I checked in here and went first to new posts, that seems to bring me up-to-date quicker. Saw this one and could not imagine how so much interest was placed on Fish Theraphy for the feet. NEVER would I put my tootsies in a pool with fish to nibble on!! P2P I do sympathize with you on the foot problems. I have noticed that some people just have worse feet than others whether they take good care of them or not. You are very fortunate to have free medical care on that, we pay through the teeth in USA for dental (no pun intended), eye and foot care.

The soaks sound like a more efficient method to me, perhaps an oatmeal one and certainly see a trained medical person to have the ingrown nails cut. It is hard for us OLD folks to bend enough to get to the toes and even if you get there, it takes correct glasses to see and a steady hand doesn't hurt either. Try to find some really good softening skin cream for the feet to help with those callouses.

While reading through here, I thought for a minute or two I was in Adland and just got confused. Some of you don't like that place but the kind of bullying I see here would be stopped in ALP. We have a couple that sound just like ALA and they have been banned in many of the forums. Don't go get your hackles up with me again, you seem to be good at this scam busting but you have a problem with other people. I am not here to defend a friend but to call attention to all of you that this kind of trash will close this community down in a flash. We are supposed to be here to help and expose scam and internet fraud. If people come here and see this kind of dialogue, you will lose your credibility.

SBM sorry about your son and hope he heals well. Don't you have moderators to keep this kind of thing under control? I agree with the person who mentioned doing the rant & rave in the correct forum for that.

Guess now everyone will be jumping down my throat but I am just being me 'honest'. Now everyone please have a good day!

path2prosperity
03-30-2011, 01:46 PM
P2P I do sympathize with you on the foot problems. I have noticed that some people just have worse feet than others whether they take good care of them or not.


I am lucky to only suffer from foot problems at my age HM dear. I am lucky to be alive so don't waste sympathy on my feet. I go to the hospital every two months but it is a long wait between visits and fish therapy was one of the few things I had never tried. My particular problems are connected with several medical conditions including my hip joint and weight distribition. I will moan if and when I need a hip replacement and have to wait for years.

The point is that we are very lucky to get free treatment for essential health care here.

path2prosperity
03-30-2011, 01:58 PM
[QUOTE=honestme11;7913]

I thought for a minute or two I was in Adland and just got confused. We have a couple that sound just like ALA and they have been banned in many of the forums.

Bullies exist everywhere HM. Some comminities are effective controlling them. Some are not. We will see what communities survive and handle the situation most effectively in the not so distant future.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
03-30-2011, 05:08 PM
Soooooooooo,

you're admitting you're old enough to remember both Pollyanna AND Mary Poppins then ???

Verrrrrrrry interesting :RpS_wink::RpS_wink::RpS_wink:

Guilty as charged. And Heidi and Benjamin Bunny and the duck billed platypus. :RpS_blushing:

They can lift, they can nip, they can tuck, white hair is history, but they can't fix feet. They always give you away in the end. lol

Theophilus
03-31-2011, 02:25 AM
I am disgusted at what has been said against ALA.

ALA presents a simple argument and the best P2P and okosh can do is resort to personal attacks.

You called a good friend of mine a pathetic old man. You can go to hell you asshole.

I'm sorry, did someone disagree with you, well thats too bad you poor widdle baby.

Oh nice jobs mods not stepping in and helping out ALA when he was under attack for no reason other then presenting a simple argument.


You have probably just lost one of the people who truly had something to offer here. The least you could of done was help back up ALA. He didn't do anything wrong and was being wrongly attacked.

littleroundman
03-31-2011, 02:33 AM
The least you could of done was help back up ALA.

And you know this didn't happen, how, exactly ???

Didn't your mother ever warn you about not airing your dirty laundry in public ???

Theophilus
03-31-2011, 02:43 AM
.

And you know this didn't happen, how, exactly ???

Didn't your mother ever warn you about not airing your dirty laundry in public ???

Well the results speak for themselves don't they?

Don't mention my mother, thanks.

Theophilus
03-31-2011, 02:46 AM
[QUOTE=honestme11;7913]

I thought for a minute or two I was in Adland and just got confused. We have a couple that sound just like ALA and they have been banned in many of the forums.

Bullies exist everywhere HM. Some comminities are effective controlling them. Some are not. We will see what communities survive and handle the situation most effectively in the not so distant future.

Well, well if it is not the lying pathetic person know as path2prosperity.

Hey I have a song for you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O_l4ZP8dyQ

Theophilus
03-31-2011, 02:53 AM
This video I dedicate to the lier P2P and the asshole okosh.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGzBW6JNMdw

okosh
03-31-2011, 02:57 AM
Oh nice jobs mods not stepping in and helping out ALA when he was under attack for no reason other then presenting a simple argument.

Wrong!!...ALA went on the attack and was stood up to....All he got was his own back....

Theophilus
03-31-2011, 03:00 AM
Wrong!!...ALA went on the attack and was stood up to....All he got was his own back....

No I disagree, it is the other way around.

Also I would reply in a kind way if you had not attacked my friend for no reason.

okosh
03-31-2011, 03:00 AM
This video I dedicate to the lier P2P and the asshole okosh.


That's the best you got??...Better you run along home little boy :RpS_laugh:

Theophilus
03-31-2011, 03:09 AM
That's the best you got??...Better you run along home little boy :RpS_laugh:

I am not going anywhere until I am banned. I really don't care one way or the other.

Your an asshole, and your stupid. Facts are facts.

okosh
03-31-2011, 03:09 AM
No I disagree, it is the other way around.

Also I would reply in a kind way if you had not attacked my friend for no reason.

But there was reason....And now you have done the exact same thing which is name call and attack for no reason...
So please don't cry and throw a tantrum when you get the same as ALA got for his attacks....

okosh
03-31-2011, 03:12 AM
Your an asshole, and your stupid. Facts are facts.

Any more insults you want to throw in b4 the tables get turned and I start on you??....
Then again maybe I better not cos you'll just cry and throw all of your toys out of your play pen :RpS_rolleyes:

path2prosperity
03-31-2011, 06:23 AM
But there was reason....And now you have done the exact same thing which is name call and attack for no reason...
So please don't cry and throw a tantrum when you get the same as ALA got for his attacks....

If he wants to play at being the patron saint of lost causes, let him. He is small fry. Princess Diana played that card to perfection and she was no Saint.

Soapboxmom
03-31-2011, 10:27 AM
You are now down in the rant section. So, if folks insist on getting testy and personal over a discussion that started about podiatric issues do it down here. Anyone who is going to post on the topic can go back upstairs.

As I pointed out, ALA made excellent points about preventative care. P2P and others rightly pointed out, as I knew from years of my mother working in a Podiatrist office, that podiatric issues are very common for older folks and cannot always be avoided. Anyone having more than a few corns will need to be in a Podiatrist office, so I can't see much else to bicker about, but if bicker you must carry on!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom

baylee
03-31-2011, 08:42 PM
Your an asshole, and your stupid. Facts are facts.
You are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong you are. Just so you know.

scratchycat
04-01-2011, 09:02 AM
You know, I just hate name-calling and some of guys need to wash your mouths with soap. What makes one right and another wrong? My vote goes to Okosh as being the better man.

baylee
04-01-2011, 08:31 PM
This post really belongs here.

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Re: TriVita: Develop a Relationship with God?

I have been reading this thread with incredulity. First just because it is a MLM Program does not make it a "scam." What makes it a "scam," or an illegal pyramid scheme is when there is no product, and the only revenue is from selling memberships, i.e. MPBToday.

I do detest MLM's business model, but as long as at least 51% of their income comes from "retail sales," and there are viable products to "sell," they are legal. It is up to the FTC to regulate this industry.

While TriVita is scummy it is not a scam, even here in the US. The FTC could fine them for false advertising, but I seriously doubt they would close the company down. They would just fine them and make them clean up their marketing and sales pieces to comply with the law.

From what I have read, they have filed the proper paperwork with the Australian authorities and the authorities have licensed them to do business there. A point that Okosh has pointed out in several posts. What Okosh has said has been 100% correct, but he has not said he "supports" the company, or is rushing to sign up as a member or distributor. He has also said that if given "proof" they are a scam, he would report them to the proper Australian authorities immediately.

There is no doubt that "all" of us do not like the MLM industry, but that does not make every MLM a scam. We just don't like their business model or marketing of their products. For if all MLM's were scams/illegal pyramids, none of them would be in business today. The entire industry would be banned by the FTC.

There are true "MLM Scams" that are an illegal pyramid, and they need to be shut down. They deserve our attention to do as much as we can to get them shut down. If we believe that TriVita is not selling enough retail product by the members and distributors to classify as 51% of their income, then we need to report it to the FTC, and let them investigate.

Just adding my two cents worth.

path2prosperity
04-02-2011, 03:30 PM
You know, I just hate name-calling.

Name calling can distress the vulnerable and those who become vulnerable for a while. It can also encourage some to change their ways. Sarah Ferguson, (the former Duchess of York) was not very worried by newspapers and fashion editors who made critical comments about her bulges or dress sense until a tabloid newspaper editor called her "The Duchess of Pork." She was very hurt and that hurt motivated her to do something about it. She went on a diet and lost a great deal of excess weight. She redeemed her reputation in this arena. Her womanising ex-husband could have changed his ways and got rid of the "Randy Andy" label but he did not do that. It is probable that future generations will remember him as "Randy Andy" rather than The Duke of York.

Name calling is one thing but those who invent lies about a person's medical condition are propagating libel which is far more serious. The notorious cyber bully "Brookie" who was one of Bob Krimm's moderators for his ponzi Tristar Media enterprises claimed that several people who spoke out about Bob Krimm (including me) suffered from serious mental health problems and needed regular treatment with psychotropic drugs. Jack Cobb another ponzi system administrator made defamatory statements about those he considered to have serious personality disorders in his MaximumAdz forum and so did the phoney medical practitioner "Dr Mara" in her GMSforum. These libellous statements can be repeated as fact.

This thread will have achieved something, if there are no more attempts to comment on any medical diagnosis that could be nothing more than defamation of character created by notorious cyber bullies like Brookie, "Dr Mara" or Jack Cobb.

okosh
04-02-2011, 11:22 PM
Name calling can distress the vulnerable and those who become vulnerable for a while.

ALA and Unsaved Trash have the same mentality and behaviour of those English soccer hooligans.....
No matter if they follow Chelsea or Tottenham or Liverpool or Man Unt or whoever so long as there is a German soccer fan to taunt and attack the English soccer hooligan is as happy as a pig in ****.....
As soon as there is no German soccer fan to be found they soon find some excuse to turn on each other....

Same thing with ALA and UT....So long as there is a scam admin or a reff whore to taunt and attack they happy as a pig in ****....
As soon as there is none to be found they quickly turn on their fellow nay-sayer....

Yes of course it's pathetic but then so is the soccer hooligan....

path2prosperity
04-03-2011, 01:43 AM
ALA and Unsaved Trash have the same mentality and behaviour of those English soccer hooligans.....
No matter if they follow Chelsea or Tottenham or Liverpool or Man Unt or whoever so long as there is a German soccer fan to taunt and attack the English soccer hooligan is as happy as a pig in ****.....
As soon as there is no German soccer fan to be found they soon find some excuse to turn on each other....

Same thing with ALA and UT....So long as there is a scam admin or a reff whore to taunt and attack they happy as a pig in ****....
As soon as there is none to be found they quickly turn on their fellow nay-sayer....

Yes of course it's pathetic but then so is the soccer hooligan....


They have behaved like soccer hooligans but they were good scam busters so hopefully they will keep on with that. It was a good analogy.

I am not a scam buster. I did not intend to do anything but to introduce my offline network to the best and worst cyberspace business opportunities and on line communities. I had to fight those who claimed I was in league with Bob Krimm, Nickers Smirnow and The Vee Twins. I am sticking to my guns. The worst con artists whom I have encountered were Brookie, Jack Cobb and the phoney medical practitioner "Dr Mara". Those three invent medical conditions for those whom they wish to defame.

Dr Mara was foist by her own petard. One of her own ex followers sent me a picture of this near morbidly obese woman and her team of financial experts. Let us get together to reveal scammers and con artists like Dr Mara and not offer medical advice on anybody in this community. Help in bringing those three down would be appreciated.

http://path2prosperity.com/VL-Staff.jpg

GlimDropper
04-03-2011, 11:55 AM
.,..
No matter if they follow Chelsea or Tottenham or Liverpool or Man Unt or whoever so long as there is a German soccer fan to taunt and attack the English soccer hooligan is as happy as a pig in ****.....
As soon as there is no German soccer fan to be found they soon find some excuse to turn on each other..,.


"Henry Raddick" used to write humorous book reviews on the Amazon website, the following was far from his best (his other reviews can be found here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/AA9IP6AYACFK5/ref=cm_cr_dp_auth_rev?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview)) but it sprung to mind:


This review is from: The Best of Enemies: England v. Germany (Hardcover)
The Germans may have taken an undignified whipping at Munich last year when the English were just too strong for them in every department of the game and they were overwhelmed by an avalanche of goals and quality - but they do have a rather nice word for "malicious enjoyment of another's misfortune".

I'm not trying to draw any parallels and I'm not impugning anyone but I am making an acknowledgment. A small handful of people can create an online community but even having done so they don't truly control it. We can influence it, set certain limits but the direction the community takes is a collective decision.

Two immutable truths are at work here, one is that we can never please everyone. In fact we shouldn't try to. The other is that the Admin and the mods will make mistakes. No one liked the direction some things on this forum were going, the question to me became was inaction less harmful than the wrong action. Noting particularly that no matter what action was taken, someone would be sure it was the wrong one.

I remember arguing to someone who turned out to be a short termed Admin on another site that forums are ruled by consensus. We can make and enforce rules but we can't make people follow them. That discussion never went anywhere so I went elsewhere (here). I hate turning people away, if someone wants to be part of this community and gifts it with their time and their passion I want them to find the experience to be a rewarding one. But as the old saying goes, my right to swing my fist ends before it intersects with your nose, there's a basic level of respect and civility that can't be optional to a community that wants to grow.

There are some people who no longer feel welcome here and it's with great sadness that I say that. Particularly because in a very small sense it is true. If you don't feel this place is worth your time then I feel like I let you down and would like the chance to make amends. But if you feel that requiring you to respect your fellow forum members enough to keep personal attacks only to designated areas of the site is a violation of your sense of entitlement, well then I wish you well where ever you find yourself next my old friend. Needless to say that anyone wanting to help this community grow is always welcome back.

Make no mistake, I will continue to make mistakes. I'll do my best to avoid them and to make up for them but i will still make them. And that's only one of the reasons I need you people to help me. Comments, questions and complaints, all are welcome. You can PM me through the board or E-mail me at [my user name] @inbox.com. I don't always have the time to give that this place deserves but I make time when it's needed.

laidback
04-03-2011, 02:11 PM
"Henry Raddick" used to write humorous book reviews on the Amazon website, the following was far from his best (his other reviews can be found here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/AA9IP6AYACFK5/ref=cm_cr_dp_auth_rev?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview)) but it sprung to mind:



I'm not trying to draw any parallels and I'm not impugning anyone but I am making an acknowledgment. A small handful of people can create an online community but even having done so they don't truly control it. We can influence it, set certain limits but the direction the community takes is a collective decision.

Two immutable truths are at work here, one is that we can never please everyone. In fact we shouldn't try to. The other is that the Admin and the mods will make mistakes. No one liked the direction some things on this forum were going, the question to me became was inaction less harmful than the wrong action. Noting particularly that no matter what action was taken, someone would be sure it was the wrong one.

I remember arguing to someone who turned out to be a short termed Admin on another site that forums are ruled by consensus. We can make and enforce rules but we can't make people follow them. That discussion never went anywhere so I went elsewhere (here). I hate turning people away, if someone wants to be part of this community and gifts it with their time and their passion I want them to find the experience to be a rewarding one. But as the old saying goes, my right to swing my fist ends before it intersects with your nose, there's a basic level of respect and civility that can't be optional to a community that wants to grow.

There are some people who no longer feel welcome here and it's with great sadness that I say that. Particularly because in a very small sense it is true. If you don't feel this place is worth your time then I feel like I let you down and would like the chance to make amends. But if you feel that requiring you to respect your fellow forum members enough to keep personal attacks only to designated areas of the site is a violation of your sense of entitlement, well then I wish you well where ever you find yourself next my old friend. Needless to say that anyone wanting to help this community grow is always welcome back.

Make no mistake, I will continue to make mistakes. I'll do my best to avoid them and to make up for them but i will still make them. And that's only one of the reasons I need you people to help me. Comments, questions and complaints, all are welcome. You can PM me through the board or E-mail me at [my user name] @inbox.com. I don't always have the time to give that this place deserves but I make time when it's needed.

Excellent post GD. As an apparent recipient of the"right" side of the exchange, (if there can be a 'right' side) I thank you. If the vacant members are on a forced exile, I'm sorry, because they possibly had positive things to offer. If their exile is self imposed, as was my brief departure, they will hopefully find fulfillment at an alternative location. You have previously posted, (I am paraphrasing here) to attack, or properly to criticize a persons statement or position is acceptable, to attack the person seldom is. The problem, of course, is discerning the line of demarcation between the two...!

Soapboxmom
04-03-2011, 02:48 PM
Excellent post GD. As an apparent recipient of the"right" side of the exchange, (if there can be a 'right' side) I thank you. If the vacant members are on a forced exile, I'm sorry, because they possibly had positive things to offer. If their exile is self imposed, as was my brief departure, they will hopefully find fulfillment at an alternative location. You have previously posted, (I am paraphrasing here) to attack, or properly to criticize a persons statement or position is acceptable, to attack the person seldom is. The problem, of course, is discerning the line of demarcation between the two...!
No one was banned. Anyone who is not posting left of their own accord. Many of us get very emotionally involved in our posting and sometimes debating a topic does get way too personal. If folks aren't having fun then they should take a break. I post here because it is something I always have loved and look forward to.

It can be overwhelming. I have become very emotionally connected to victims of scams I have blogged about. I don't know if I will ever recover from losing the wonderful lady who we had helped for 3 years that lived with us for four months and then took her own life last year. The financial losses she suffered in MLM were insurmountable and she saw no hope for recovering financially. So, my work has put me in a postion that it can at times be hard to stay completely objective. I know very personally and painfully the dark side of MLM. Of course, that also inspires me to keep bloggoing in hopes that tragedies like that can be avoided.

Soapboxmom

okosh
04-03-2011, 05:59 PM
No one was banned. Anyone who is not posting left of their own accord.

Good bye to bad rubbish....ALA and trashboy only serve to give those who fight the good fight a bad name.....

path2prosperity
04-03-2011, 06:37 PM
Excellent post GD.

Agreed. GD has hit the nail on the head.

I know virtually nothing about the scams, scammers and people who posted here. I had heard of Broker Jones but I thought he was dead and gone months ago. I read posts from people who have been here for a long time but I am finding it all a very steep learning curve.

I was asked to open a thread about Adland as I knew a fair bit about that place. I have recruited a few from Adland to come over here includung one who seems to think one of his programs is quite legitimate. He may be very genuine and one who needs to be put right about Adland. This man has been unable to join the forum. Can anybody help him join? http://www.realscam.com/f8/f5millionaires-club-adlandpro-exclusive-scam-554/

I know a lot about cyber bullies and the way that they they try to destroy people. One of their worst tactics is making claims that a naysayer suffers from certain medical conditions which will turn the rest of the forum against them. That is my soapbox because I know what two of Bob Krimm's Tristar Moderators (Brookie and Wiseowl) did to somebody who died of natural causes before these two monsters were shown up for what they really were. They claimed this South African woman who used the screen name PippaPosh was insane and put her through the third degree. When I defended her they claimed that I was almost as insane as she was.

GlimDropper
04-03-2011, 07:19 PM
Good bye to bad rubbish....ALA and trashboy only serve to give those who fight the good fight a bad name.....

If experience has taught me anything (and that is an issue in dispute) it's that generally it's easier to win a fight than it is to win a peace. My chief regret here is that I lacked either the wisdom or the available time (or both) to find a solution more palatable to more people. As it is I'm standing closer to what I think is right than I am to some people I do in fact care about. If they want to talk to me about the stands that were taken, they know how to contact me. But please do note that no one was banned and all are still welcome, which is why finding agreement is still the far better part of valor. Rules that were in place but may not have been properly enforced will be better attended to, but if saying that burns no bridges, no bridges are burnt from this end at least.

Soapboxmom
04-03-2011, 07:38 PM
If experience has taught me anything (and that is an issue in dispute) it's that generally it's easier to win a fight than it is to win a peace. My chief regret here is that I lacked either the wisdom or the available time (or both) to find a solution more palatable to more people. As it is I'm standing closer to what I think is right than I am to some people I do in fact care about. If they want to talk to me about the stands that were taken, they know how to contact me. But please do note that no one was banned and all are still welcome, which is why finding agreement is still the far better part of valor. Rules that were in place but may not have been properly enforced will be better attended to, but if saying that burns no bridges, no bridges will be burnt from this end at least.
That is a very wise response and I would like to second that. I hope all will remember not to judge another member too harshly without taking the time to really get to know them. I have known the two posters in questions for years.

ALA is a brilliant man that is knowledgeable in so many areas I can't even touch. He is especially adept at taking the most egregious scammers to task in such clever ways. He is also just as passionate about his blogging as I am.

UnSaved Trash was a first rate moderator at Scam. He helped make this site what it is today and I think the world of him. He does not have my soft touch or bleeding heart, so he is tougher on folks than I ever am, but sometimes a slap in the face with reality is just what is needed.

I look forward to getting to know everyone here and I encourage everyone to take the time to do that. Also keep in mind it is not anyone's job to reform anyone else here. It is supposed to be fun and relaxed. I find incredible victory in anything positive that comes out of my blogging. That one father of 3 who was about to join a high dollar Aussie Two-Up had his money mentored back into his own account in part because of me. How wonderful that SavedbyGod found me and was saved from losing thousands of dollars.

I can't change the world, but I have helped a few people along the way and that is what I thought this was all about and I find incredible joy in that.

Soapboxmom

okosh
04-04-2011, 12:44 AM
If experience has taught me anything (and that is an issue in dispute) it's that generally it's easier to win a fight than it is to win a peace. My chief regret here is that I lacked either the wisdom or the available time (or both) to find a solution more palatable to more people. As it is I'm standing closer to what I think is right than I am to some people I do in fact care about. If they want to talk to me about the stands that were taken, they know how to contact me. But please do note that no one was banned and all are still welcome, which is why finding agreement is still the far better part of valor. Rules that were in place but may not have been properly enforced will be better attended to, but if saying that burns no bridges, no bridges are burnt from this end at least.

I got no problem if they decide to return so long as they play nice....
No one is a better or worse nay-sayer then anyone else....We all just do our bit....

path2prosperity
04-04-2011, 12:59 AM
I got no problem if they decide to return so long as they play nice....
No one is a better or worse nay-sayer then anyone else....We all just do our bit....

ALA made some comments about the EZ family of scams that have been around for a long time. If he has anything more constructive to add to that, I would certainly appreciate the knowledge. When and where he first encountered the owners whom I only know as Jason and Stacey who claimed to be husband and wife could help.

okosh
04-04-2011, 01:28 AM
ALA made some comments about the EZ family of scams that have been around for a long time. If he has anything more constructive to add to that, I would certainly appreciate the knowledge. When and where he first encountered the owners whom I only know as Jason and Stacey who claimed to be husband and wife could help.

Jason Grant....Can't remember her last name....Started with H I think...

okosh
04-04-2011, 01:43 AM
Jason Grant....Can't remember her last name....Started with H I think...

Stacey Hensley and Jason Grant was the names they used....Though at the time I remember someone looked up their phone number and it belonged to a "Jason Gott"....
They also had another scam named "Wicked Hits"....
They then went on to open a string of those similar sites called 1stdimentionadds then 2nd then 3rd if I remember the name right...
And yes they scammed everyone...
They lived in Tennessee USA at the time...
They were part of a group of scammers that included John who owned Fairpatton(dot)com....Jake the snake Amadee of ASA fame and Stella and Marc of Solidtrustpay fame and a few others....Their head lacky was O'l Possum who was also an admin for ASA...

path2prosperity
04-04-2011, 02:11 AM
Stacey Hensley and Jason Grant was the names they used....Though at the time I remember someone looked up their phone number and it belonged to a "Jason Gott"....
They also had another scam named "Wicked Hits"....
They then went on to open a string of those similar sites called 1stdimentionadds then 2nd then 3rd if I remember the name right...
And yes they scammed everyone...
They lived in Tennessee USA at the time...
They were part of a group of scammers that included John who owned Fairpatton(dot)com....Jake the snake Amadee of ASA fame and Stella and Marc of Solidtrustpay fame and a few others....Their head lacky was O'l Possum who was also an admin for ASA...

Thanks "okosh". We are getting somewhere now. Jason was the husband and tech guy. Stacey was the wife who did all the marketing. The Krimm mod "wiseowl" and her associate Brenda were the biggest promoters whom I have encountered other than this Kathleen VanBeenoken from Adland who has been mentiond by HM. I joined EZ Surf and Earn under Brenda and I discovered a new problem very quickly. I discovered i-threads all over my web pages. They were very new threats which were extremely dangerous at that time and very few people had the expertise required to get rid of them. InfoQ: The Limits of Code Optimization: a new Singleton Pattern Implementation (http://www.infoq.com/articles/code-optimization-singleton)

I was very lucky to have a web host who explained how they worked and he deleted them all for me.

When the EZ thing was on the verge of collapse they started another the new family of 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th Dimension surfs scams where one was expected to join all four These EZ scams are not third rate. They are very sophisticated.

I have never heard of Wicked Hits. Maybe somebody else can find out and we can build up the EZ thread started by HM.

path2prosperity
04-04-2011, 02:31 AM
They lived in Tennessee USA at the time...
They were part of a group of scammers that included John who owned Fairpatton(dot)com....Jake the snake Amadee of ASA fame and Stella and Marc of Solidtrustpay fame and a few others....Their head lacky was O'l Possum who was also an admin for ASA...

John from Fairpatton and OP from ASA were close friends of Cookie Keener who swore he had moved from autosurfs to bona fide vacation programs which means Kent Black is behind many of these vacation packages. The one person who could spill the beans on Cookie Keener may talk one day. That person is none other than KirkTheStone. Somebody has obviously paid him to keep quiet.

okosh
04-04-2011, 02:48 AM
When the EZ thing was on the verge of collapse they started another the new family of 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th Dimension surfs scams where one was expected to join all four These EZ scams are not third rate. They are very sophisticated.

I have never heard of Wicked Hits. Maybe somebody else can find out and we can build up the EZ thread started by HM.

They ran many more scams then just these....
There was AutoSurf Insomnia and Bizzy Clicks and InstantMoneyFlow....There was TotalRune which used the stormpay fiasco as an excuse to close....Jason used the name "Paul" to run that one....
They also hosted a heap of other scams on their servers for their fellow scamming buddys Frieda and Ken(most likely Jason and Stacey under another name)........

path2prosperity
04-04-2011, 11:07 AM
They ran many more scams then just these....
There was AutoSurf Insomnia and Bizzy Clicks and InstantMoneyFlow....There was TotalRune which used the stormpay fiasco as an excuse to close....Jason used the name "Paul" to run that one....
They also hosted a heap of other scams on their servers for their fellow scamming buddys Frieda and Ken(most likely Jason and Stacey under another name)........

I had been wondering where I heard the name TotalRune for most of the day. It has just clicked. "Paul ran" this autosurf which had the blessing of the best technical business advisor one could possibly hope to meet, one who had spent masses of her own money to do in depth searches on fraudsters, none other than MRS VEE. MrsVee was supposed to be the one person online with enough technical ability to comment on the server setup in this type of business model. I joined to learn some the "technical wisdom of Vee" and decided that Vee's wisdom was CRAP to the power of ten.

Soapboxmom
04-04-2011, 10:31 PM
ALA made some comments about the EZ family of scams that have been around for a long time. If he has anything more constructive to add to that, I would certainly appreciate the knowledge. When and where he first encountered the owners whom I only know as Jason and Stacey who claimed to be husband and wife could help.
I can't really speak for ALA, but something does need to be said. Folks reading that post might mistakenly believe that ALA had been involved with fraudsters. He has never gotten involved in any scams and he could not have possibly encountered any owners of such. He figured out from what was posted that EZ Wealth was a scam immediately. He is extremely savvy. I don't like to see him or any other posters dragged into things like this.

I am going to merge the two threads about EZ Wealth and anyone with more of substance to add is welcome to jump in.

http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit-ez-wealth-solution-533/

Soapboxmom

scratchycat
05-05-2011, 02:23 PM
ALA made some comments about the EZ family of scams that have been around for a long time. If he has anything more constructive to add to that, I would certainly appreciate the knowledge. When and where he first encountered the owners whom I only know as Jason and Stacey who claimed to be husband and wife could help.

Here is what I discovered on these two people and it is very extensive when you start digging.


Jane Mark and Phil Basten have recently added another exciting "pixel page"... Joe and Mable have gotten into the act. That's one very zany, over the top, duo.

You can expect lots of craziness from them... People are drawn to the Joe and Mable site to hear their latest irreverent takes on Internet Marketing... "Joe? Yes, Mable? Are we rich yet?"

If you've not yet checked them out, be prepared for an absolutely mind-blowing experience. Imagine, a New Yorker (Mannhattan type), an Aussie, and an Irishman...

Ok, so you've got two links to check out... PIxelsAnyone.com and JoeandMable.com. Help us fly Mable to Paris. Once you've spent a short while with Joe and Mable, you'll be happily contributing.

Ask-Us: November 2005 (http://ask-usbiz.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html)

Basten elevation18880@yahoo.com Basten is a scammer
SCAMMERS who target photographers | ADVANCE PAYMENT SCAMS (http://www.photographersdirect.com/sellers/email_scammers.asp)
The Joe and Mable Show | Advertising | Internet Marketing | Safelists - Download free podcast episodes by Joe & Mable on iTunes. (http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-joe-mable-show-advertising/id258075040?ign-mpt=uo%3D4)
Internet Marketing Tips - Make Money Online with Eric Holmlund (http://www.ericstips.com/)

I posted more in another thread on Sokule. (http://www.realscam.com/f16/what-sokule-676/#post8698)