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03-12-2011, 01:55 PM
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Robert Dean Jr. says:


When I compared the management team at Visalus to executives I have worked with in the past, within our Network Marketing industry, I found them to have much less successful corporate experience than most. The truth is that there is a lack of seasoning and maturity in both the founders and the management team.

...the continuous lack of profitability got me real nervous. The numbers showed me that Visalus had actually been losing money every quarter for the past five years...In looking at the Visalus product line, the focus is solely in weight loss, but there was nothing proprietary or unique about their product.

Straight from the heavy hitters mouth!

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Re: VISALUS - It's too good to be real!!!
Ouch!

Another winner that is sending up all my red flags! The company really makes its money by forcing the reps to make a $125 minimum purchase each month. I would bet half of the sales go to reps and there are very few outside customers. You are trapped in a matrix where everyone is to get their five and fill it up, but my guess is most find it difficult to recruit and we end up with failing reps churning on the bottom layer endlessly. You must build a tremendous downline in order to profit. By design thousands will languish in the bottom layers losing their money and a handful will make a fortune off these folks. Remember Melaleuca where 54% of the reps get a check for $8.67 a month. I hope they don't blow it all at one Starbucks. Anyone care to share the earnings potential with this deal?

You
5
125
625
3,125
15,625
78,125
390,625
1,953,125

That's your ideal pyramid and only the few folks in the top of that heap will be able to profit. As usual all the money funles upward and the bigger your downline the higher percentages you are paid on commission. So, the thousands on the bottom just throw their money upline.

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I have been following this ridiculous deal for 5 years. I had 4000 posts deleted by George Dranichak at that scam Scamdotcom, thankfully this gem survived! Now, we know it hasn't been profitable this whole time and is likely to collapse at any moment!

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Re: VISALUS - It's too good to be real!!!
cscirpoli,

My, you always make me feel so welcome. It is high time for a lively debate over here.




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What's in your ... medicine cabinet?
3/20/2006

Dr. Michael Seidman, an ear, nose and throat specialist at Henry Ford Hospital, has been a doctor for 20 years.

Seidman of West Bloomfield Township also is the medical director of Henry Ford's Center for Integrative Medicine in Novi. The husband and father of three shares what's in his family's medicine cabinet:

1. Hydrogen peroxide, rubbing alcohol and matches -- all used for sterilization.
2. Band-Aids.
3. Body Language brand vitamins.
4. Motrin and Tylenol for headaches and muscle pain.
5. Sudafed and Afrin for allergies and congestion.
7. Calcium pills.
8. Suture kit for more serious wounds.
9. Tweezers.

Here are a few additional items Seidman says should be in your medicine cabinet, even if some of them aren't in his:

First-aid kit.
Calamine lotion.
Pepto-Bismol.
Antiseptic.

Mekeisha Madden Toby

The Detroit News
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Now for the funny part. Dr. Seidman sells what is apparently the same junk for less on his own website.



(http://www.bodylanguagevitamin.com/productcatalog.html)Vitamins, essential oils, nutritional supplements, from Dr. Michael Seidman (http://www.bodylanguagevitamin.com/productcatalog.html)
BLV Supplement Pricing

(http://www.bodylanguagevitamin.com/productcatalog.html)http://www.bodylanguagevitamin.com/ (http://www.bodylanguagevitamin.com/)

Anti-Age/****** (30 capsules - 1 month) - $45
Cold and Flu (60 capsules - 2-4 colds) - $20
Anti-Oxidant (60 tablets - 1 month) - $38
Multi-Vitamin (90 tablets - 1 month) - $23
Anti-Cholesterol (90 tablets - 1 month) - $20
Phytokids (120 tablets - 1 month) - $16
Menopause (90 tablets - 1 month) - $32
P.M.S. Relief (90 tablets - 1 month) - $20
Essential Oils (120 sofgels - 1 month) - $25
*Arches Tinnitus Relief (100 tablets) - $34.95
*Arches Tinnitus Combo (90 days) - $149.95

10% Discount for 3-5 month orders
20% Discount for orders of 6+ months
*non-discountable supplements
(http://www.bodylanguagevitamin.com/productcatalog.html)http://www.visalus.com/shopping/item...ments&subgrp=9 (http://www.visalus.com/shopping/itemDisp.asp?Gid=1&title=Supplements&subgrp=9)
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Tried and true... Stick to mainstream multivitamin brands. Our tests found that those sold in cut-rate discount stores are often substandard...But there are more ways to waste your money on multivitamins than just buying unreliable brands. Some of the roughly 75 million Americans who buy the pills may not need them at all. Others spend extra for megadoses, exotic nutrients, or special formulations that may be unnecessary; some of those high doses may even be harmful.

Consumer Reports says it all. So, if I want to get ripped off on these vitamins and supplements I can buy them from that goofy Doc directly. Why would I pay his hucksters at Visalus. Or I could continue to get my national brand multivitamins and doctor recommended supplements at Sams. Melaleuca, MA and all you guys make ridiculous claims about being the best and curing almost every disease known to man. It is all HYPE . Folks should consult their doctors and rely on clinical research as to what they should be taking. Who in their right mind would pay these prices for vitamins?????

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Cscirpoli,

You missed my point entirely. My dear man these products are not tested because they have no real market penetration. Only a fraction of a percentage point use them. These MLM products are also not competitive in the real marketplace either. The manufacturer already knows they can't face the competition on retail shelves nationwide so they find a bunch of hucksters to put on auto order and peddle the product. We have already demonstrated clearly that the Vi-pack and Mela concoctions are overpriced and as Consumer Reports says unnecessary. A good multivitamin as in Centrum will suffice for most folks. Any additional supplements should be taken under the direction of a healthcare professional. I buy only what my doctors have specifically recommended and I get them at Sams. What you folks pay in a month will keep me in several supplements recommended by my doctors for the whole year.


Consumer Reports says:


Multivitamins
What to avoid, how to choose


Tried and true Stick to mainstream multivitamin brands. Our tests found that those sold in cut-rate discount stores are often substandard.
You can generally rely on major brand-name and store-brand multivitamins, our past tests have found. But what about the super-cheap multivitamins in close-out and dollar stores?

Our November 2004 report found problems with other products in those stores, so we tested their multivitamins. The results indicate that buying those pills at such outlets is a gamble not worth taking: Nearly half of the 18 tested brands failed to contain the labeled amount of at least one nutrient, and several did not dissolve adequately.

But there are more ways to waste your money on multivitamins than just buying unreliable brands. Some of the roughly 75 million Americans who buy the pills may not need them at all. Others spend extra for megadoses, exotic nutrients, or special formulations that may be unnecessary; some of those high doses may even be harmful

Your fancy formulas are probably unnecessary for most folks according to CR. When you guys sell enough to get the attention of CR let us know so we can see the test. Even Visalus' Dr. Quack only sells his vitamins through you or his own website. At those prices and with tons of competition sellling the same goop the vitamins wouldn't warrant shelf space at a legitimate retailer.

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Re: VISALUS - It's too good to be real!!!
www.pathconnect.com (http://www.pathconnect.com/)

That site is registered to Visalus. Mentor my bobo. I would just respectfully disagree on one thing with OpenQuestion. I don't think any of these MLM companies is an improvement. I would recommend that one be cautious of all of them. Many of these MLMs target college students, stay at home moms and folks desperate for extra money. Many also openly discourage reps from getting more education, because if they did they would realize what a limited opportunity MLM represents for the vast majority of folks.

I thought that was quite hilarious when I discovered that Visalus' very own Dr. Quack was already peddling his overpriced vitamins on his own website and blogs. If they were so truly phenomenal than companies would be fighting for the rights to make them and place them on the retail shelves of America. But products that make it out there have to be competitvely priced or clearly superior and more desirable than the run of the mill products. Whole Foods has many products that I feel are worth the extra cost because they are clearly completely different from their lower priced counterparts. So, the fact these products get peddled through the MLM channel tells one exactly what they are..............

I am going to pick on you for a moment Brenda. You have been with Melaleuca for a good bit of time, but as of yet have not made it your full time job. If it is such a lucrative and stable opportunity why have you not dropped the other job you are working and made it a full time venture for yourself. Is it because you simply can't make a real living with it? Out of 190,000 folks in Mela as of the end of 2004 I only counted 3000 folks making $15,000 or more per year. Only a handful are making any kind of living with Mela and I believe we can safely say the same will be true for Visalus. I don't care if Frank V thinks 20,000 make a primary living. I am looking at the actual earnings and I am still not seeing the opportunity with these MLMs. I think Frank's ridiculous statement just illustrates the point Openquestion made about "There are very, very few companies in this one who are open and honest."

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Re: VISALUS - It's too good to be real!!!
http://www.pathconnect.com/nowhiring.aspx (http://www.pathconnect.com/nowhiring.aspx)


No resumes!
Please e-mail ANSWERS TO THE FOLLOWING 7 QUESTIONS to info@pathconnect.com (info@pathconnect.com).

1. Based on your research of the company, our websites, and this opportunity, what qualifications do you think you have that will exceed our expectations?

2. What is your most impressive accomplishment thus far?

3. What are your top 3 goals for the next 12 months?

4. What is your most valuable asset?

5. Where do you need to personally grow the most?

6. When are you available to start?
Gee, I guess grade school math is not a requirement to work for these clowns! This sure is a sneaky way to sign folks up. Maybe those folks will have the moxie to mentor ol' mom here and I can set them straight on a few little things.

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Re: VISALUS - It's too good to be real!!!
From Consumerreports.org:


1 Kirkland Signature Natural Fish Oil (Costco) CR Best Buy
3 $0.06 $22 (3 pills per day = $22 per year)
2 Member's Mark Omega 3 Fish Oil (Sam's Club) CR Best Buy
3 0.06 $22 (3 pills per day = $22 per year)
The Vi-Pack runs $150 retail, $135 preferred customer and $125 per month for a rep.

For Melaleuca's Hearth Health Pack, Cell Wise and Vitaltiy multivitamin it is $133 retail and $93 per month for preferred customer/reps.

I could just go to Sam's and spend $22 a year on my Omegas, get Centrum (national brand as recommended by CR) and then add grapeseed extract, extra C, E, calcium and whatever my doctor recommends and pay for a whole years supply what these MLMs charge for a one month supply. MLMs are the last place one should shop for nutirtionals. Who needs the severe pain in their pocket book.

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Re: VISALUS - It's too good to be real!!!
http://www.visalus.com/products/theS....asp?referrer= (http://www.visalus.com/products/theScience.asp?referrer=)

Today, a group of credited doctors with decades of education and research lead the ViSalus Research & Development team. These scientists review published clinical and scientific studies and even design their own National Institute of Health (NIH) funded studies, to identify botanicals and other supplements that may have health promoting properties. Original research is also coordinated representing such institutions as the University of California Berkeley, New York University, National Institute of Health (NIH), National Institute of Anti Ageing (NIA), Stanford, MIT, and the Beijing Medical Univ.

The ViSalus Research & Development team adheres to the strictest of guidelines. Through its formulation process, scientific affiliations, and extensive research, the ViSalus difference becomes very apparent.

Every division of ViSalus Sciences is run by team of well-documented specialists. In order to stay at the forefront of nutritional supplementation, the ViSalus management team aligned themselves with experienced scientists to guide research and product development

ViSalus' scientific staff includes experts on human nutrition, cellular biology, biochemistry, natural product chemistry, and clinical research. Scientific results from a variety of sources including world-renowned scientific literature, in-house laboratory research, and cooperative clinical studies are incorporated into product development and design. Most of the science and research used to develop the ViSalus product line is backed by extramural funding from the National Institute of Health.

At the helm of the ViSalus Wellness line is our Director of Product Research and Development, Michael Seidman, M.D., FACS. Dr. Seidman is a physician with a BS in Human Nutrition, and has been formulating nutritional supplements since 1982.

http://www.bodylanguagevitamin.com/about.html (http://www.bodylanguagevitamin.com/about.html)

In 1997 he founded and became the CEO of Body Language Vitamin Co, whose emphasis is to promote health and enhance the lives of everyone through responsible vitamin, mineral, herbal and phytonutrient supplementation as well as dietary modifications, exercise and stress reduction.
I don't believe for a second that Visalus itself has a research team of doctors. I have found that Seidman has been involved in some legitimate funded research and I believe those scammers are just piggy backing themsleves on his previous work. And as we can clearly see Visalus was not involved in any formulation process in any way. That Dr. Quack is just selling his vitamins through yet another channel. Arches also sells the stuff in addition to his own Body Languge site. http://www.tinnitusformula.com/searc...x?CategoryID=2 (http://www.tinnitusformula.com/searchresult.aspx?CategoryID=2)

I would love to hear about these specialist running every division of Vislaus. That scientific staff with all those specialties I will bet is also a figment of the imagination. That would cost millions to keep that many specialist on the payroll and fund that grounbreaking research they allude to. Let's see this in house lab and get some verification of these studies incorporated into the formlation of these products. Does anyone realy believe that the NIH gave money to an MLM? I went and searched the database at nih.gov and visalus is not listed as having received any grants. Again I think this as all bunk and all they are doing is discussing past work of the good Dr.Quack when in fact none of these things involved Visalus in any way. All Visalus is likely doing is relabeling the good docs products and selling them as their own. I don't believe for a second that Visalus is funding any kind of research or development. I haven't seen any thing to lead me to believe otherwise. Why would a reputable physician get involved with a bunch of goons like this and risk sullying his reputation?

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Re: VISALUS - It's too good to be real!!!
From The Free Network:

Nick Sarnicola
National Director
Circle of Success

Wake up, go to work, come home, watch T.V., go to sleep.
Say this five times and then add a 'work around the house,' and a 'have a family dinner after the big game' at the end. Put this together and what do you have? 97% of the populations average week for 40 years of their life. Even though this was exactly the way I grew up, I knew that there had to be more.

At 18 years of age I was introduced to TFN. I was employed in retail and making $5.50 an hour, going nowhere fast. I made a 2 and a 1/2 hour trip to look at The Free Network and immediately got involved. What did I have to lose? It's free! I never doubted once that it would work and started building my business. After two years of dabbling around, I decided to take my business serious. Within two years from that point, at age 22, I experienced significant success with The Free Network. For my achievement the company bought me an XK8 Jaguar Convertible! So let's do the math:

Corporate America: 40 years - 401k, gold watch and a turkey.

The Free Network: 4 years - Jaguar XK8 Convertible, NO boss, & time freedom.

Why would anyone, regardless of age, want to trade that kind of a life? I'm not saying it was easy, because it wasn't. Most people just put in partial effort at their jobs for a long period of time and get little or no results. If you are willing to work REALLY hard for five straight years, you'll be FREE forever. Now doesn't that make more sense?

Most people will not start a business like this because they are afraid of what their friends or family might say or think. You can't have it both ways. If you want to be successful, you are not going to be able to please everyone. Quit worrying what other people might say or think and worry about yourself and the generations to follow you. Besides, if you make it big, they'll get over it really fast - trust me!

If you are already in a position where you have both time and money, let me ask you this: How many people can you help to do what you did? At The Free Network you have the opportunity to help anybody that you care about to reach their goals as well. That's the best part about network marketing.

So whether you're rich, poor, or somewhere in between, we have a great business opportunity for you. It's free, we have great products, and we'll teach you exactly how to have success.

What are you waiting for?

Good Luck,

Nick Sarnicola
National Director
Circle of Success
5 years of hard work and he will be free forever????? What happened? If TFN was so phenomenal where is it today. Can we all say big toilet flush. Visalus is headed down the same primrose path. TFN imploded quickly leaving only a few goons with full pockets. Are folks going to fall for these scammers lines again? These MLMs are all just product based pyramid schemes. If TFN was so great why hasn't our little goon friend retired? He knows there are more $$$$$ to be had from more unsuspecting recruits. Do you want to fund his next Jag? How many of TFNs recruits were able "to reach their goals" If 54% Melaleuca reps are making a whopping $8.67 a month is there any reason to believe that Visalus will pay any better?

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Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?

Originally Posted by cscirpoli
What you wrote is not correct. Pathconnect is a marketing opportunity for Visalus as well as other advertisers. The target age of pathconnect is 35 - 65. Not college kids. They were testing marketability to college kids with the IPOD's. Seeing how they would take to a mentor based site. The amount of actual Visalus recruiting would be minimal to the actual advertising revenue it could get from the goal specific advertising they are looking to create. It woiuld be like Myspace on steroids to advertisers looking hit people in a certain target market, becuase they specifically know what that person is looking for from their goals. The visalus aspect is actually geared more towards people that are looking for Network Marketing companies, or are actively looking for a business opportunity.


Oh, Please! I am in the very bottom of that age range and I don't buy for a second that 35-65 year olds are looking for mentors. That site is clearly targeting youngsers from 18-28 or so. Tell your little friends at Visalus to try and mentor ol' mom here and I will straighten them out on a few things. Anyone over 35 looking for a business opportunity is a stay at home mom or clearly desperate to make a living. Charging them $125 a month for blasted vitamins is not going to help their financial situation, especially when we consider that 54% of Mela's recurits make a whopping $8.67 a month and more than 80% can't make enough to cover their product purchases. Give us a break!

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Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?

Originally Posted by cscirpoli
Wow, you need to go back to school because, what you just stated is PURE OPINION. So if career builder lets NWM post on their boards, that means they are NOT just a job site, but they are also A SITE THAT LET"S PEOPLE ADVERTISE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES. So how is it deceptive if the company themselves lets it happen. Maybe you misunderstand the term high horse. It is used when someone believes themselves to be better or more advanced than everyone else and therefore is above the commmon people. You prove that time and time again, with claiming opinion as fact, stating what you say is absolute and slandering people and companies because of some you BELIEVE that has no basis in any reality but your own...hence my use of the term, "get a life"


Well, cscirpoli, I guess we need to define "business opportunity". If the majority of the new hires(snickering here!) /recruits make in the lower 2 digits---yes, that's way less than $100 a month, can we fairly call this an opportunity? Why do I use such a low figure you ask. Well, look at the earnings tables for Melaleuca and other wellness MLMs. Your poor recruits have to spend at least $125 a month on vitamins for crying out loud. If more than 80% of the Mela reps can't cover their purchases, why would this bum deal be any different? So, I fail to see why a deal like this has any place on a job board like Careerbuilder.

What we naysayers write is hardly libel as it is opinion and fact. Prove my numbers wrong and we will have something to discuss, but as all these companies boast abysmal earnings for the majority I am sure this deal will prove no different. How on earth are we suppposed to call working for Visalus a career? A real job has a defined salary ranged based on qualifacations, training, education and experience. Each hire knows what they will earn and what the benefits are. Does Visalus or the sneaky rep tell the new hire (yes I am snickering again) that they are almost guaranteed not to make enough to even cover their forced product purchases and they will never be eligible for any benefits?

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Re: ACN/Excel Reps Flocking to Escape Internationa

Originally Posted by semke http://www.scam.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=288633#post288633)
Hey Guys!

I'm actually with Escape...and we are set to go public the first quarter of next year. Our IPO process should be sometime in mid December. How many scamming companies go public? None that I know of.


Sorry douchebag, but stockselector.com does not list Escape International. That makes 4 years of dangling the non-existent stock carrot. What a bunch of dirtballs. A few of the reps on this thread made the leap to ViSalus. Yikes!

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03-12-2011, 11:26 PM
Visalus - Stunning Revelations! Five Years of Losing Money Says Robert Dean Jr. - Visalus, LIMU, Evolv (http://www.free-press-release.com/news-visalus-stunning-revelations-five-years-of-losing-money-says-robert-dean-jr-1299989890.html)

This should really cheer up those folks at Visalus!

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03-13-2011, 12:08 AM
What a quandary for a potential member of Visalus to be in.

On one side we have an MLMer claims to be telling the truth, yet, on the other side of the fence we have another MLMer with a completely different set of "facts" who also claims to be telling the truth.

The telling thing for me is both are MLM insiders, so I tend to think it's safer to not believe EITHER of them and assume the "truth" of the matter lies somewhere in between.

Doc Bunkum
08-18-2011, 11:25 AM
Gee, I guess grade school math is not a requirement to work for these clowns!

Soapboxmom

Uh, yeah!

How about this gem from their site:


Close to 50,000 new people are joining the Challenge every month...that is over 1,000 a day!

Really!

Thanks for doing the math.

I was reaching for a calculator to try and figure that one out.:RpS_smile:

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08-18-2011, 11:28 AM
And in case anyone is interested:


Visalus contains sucralose.

Side effects of sucralose on vision and brain are not hidden as well. People have reported migraine, headaches, blurred vision. From the above adverted sucralose side effects we can say that sucralose is bad for pregnancy as well as the unborn baby. In fact, many obstetrician advice pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers not to consume sucralose and its products. Know more on food safety.

Knowing all the facts and sucralose side effects, in my opinion, there is just no need to place your life on stake. Those who are using sucralose for weight loss can turn to several other healthy and natural sugar substitutes like natural stevia plant extract, brown rice syrup, maple syrup, organic honey, and various fruit juices! After all, natural is healthier.

Also if you have these groups of multy level marketers pumped up to win BMWs and throw them in a weight loss challenge, there are most likely people starving to lose weight and doing what ever to say it works great and they’ve nevr felt better. Try taking a chemical that was originally a rat poison out of your diets and tell me you don’t feel better than you did on your cake shakes.

I would have a hard time sleeping at night knowing I am pawning off sucralose in a product that I am saying is healthy for people just for a free beamer. Is it really free if you are hurting so many peoples’ health?

Rat poison!

Oh, my!:RpS_ohmy:

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12-01-2011, 05:14 PM
I have a question for you. Why so down on ViSalus?

SassyBusinessMomMaking$
10-25-2012, 11:30 AM
Love that this thread just stops abruptly. Someone must have realized there are 1000's & 1000's of us making incredible incomes promoting the challenge, not to mention the 1000's of others that are making comfortable livings that otherwise wouldn't be capable of making the same at a 9-5 position. I love working from home, I love the people involved here. I have pretty much been around all your MLM's this business model is superior to anything out there. Promoters do not need 100 or 1000 people to be making money. Love the comment on the product sales, I have not purchased 1 kit, I get them free absolutely free so do like 30% of our customers. That blows your opinion that its the sales force moving it to each other and themselves. Every 20 seconds someone joins the ViSalus Challenge! Growth from 10 million to a billion, seriously. What exactly is your experience if you think this is a bad gig? You know what they say about opinions? But the facts and statistics don't lie, numbers are the numbers and ViSalus is the place to be. I'm sure it stinks when your stuck with one of those inferior business models and you feel like you invested too much time to make the right move now. But lets state facts here. Consumers are confused enough with trash on the internet, professional such as yourself are supposed to be informational not adding to the trash.

ViSalus is a wise choice for those looking to transform their health & fitness, the products work. The business opportunity was just the icing on the cake for me and 1000's of others that started after overwhelming success with the products.

I love money, I love ViSalus for giving it to me each week.

Soapboxmom
10-25-2012, 12:21 PM
Welcome Sassy,

I am most distressed to hear you have overdosed on the Kool-aid. Please read at least 20 posts a day here,
read Dr. Jon Taylor and check in with us in the morning!

Soapboxmom

The ebb and flow of life
11-14-2012, 04:25 PM
You are so right man. I actually got involved with selling with this company, and it is so mother f'd up. They tell you to go up to your friends and family to sell your products to them. The stuff isn't cheap and even though it tastes all right they make it seem it like it's the best friken thing that's come out in the world. They really don't offer anything new in terms of ideas. All they say if you drink their empty half tasteless drink instead of fries and burgers and if you excersize more, that you will SURE LOSE WIEGHT! First off, I'm fit already, and I have a six pack, so that didn't appeal to me, but really the novelty they hold to the idea of losing weight by not stuffing your face all day and excersizing is what they count on.

Also, every single one of those websites and blogs that says it's not a scam, is actually protecting you from the fact that essentially it is in fact a scam. But really it's only a scam in the way that its a microcosm in economic life today. To explain, like in today's reality, we live in a world where a very very very few amount of people actually benefit wholly and, not only this, but supersede all others in their accumulation of wealth in its many material forms. Like this, very very very few people in Visalus are actually able to see the sort of profits that they describe. For obvious reasons these people are highlighted the most, and as a result people feel as though they too are able to reach this level.

Of course this is completely true, you or me or anyone of us may very well become BMW owner, or reach the $100,000 level. The only thing is though, at what cost. Are you willing to alieanate your self from your friends, are you able to make this you're full time job, are you able to constantly tell half truths about your products, are you able to cleverly word your presentation of these products to avoid promissing to much explicitly and yet to leave enough to the imagination that people still want to buy? And worst of all, are you able to recruit others on the idea that they too can make large amounts of money, knowing full well that you'll probably see them leave the program very shortly once their expectations aren't met and their hopes fizzle out, and they realize they've spent too much money in the first place and have alienated thier closest friends and family? ( I never went to anyone in my family or friends to ask to buy this.)

Something I found is that a lot of these people who do well, have sold many products like these before, weather visulus or some other product. I met a guy through this that worked for world financial group, and was quiet successful doing this as well $100+. The way that worked was you can help to arrange people debts and finances, all good, no problem there. But then like visalus there's the incentive to sell more, to more people, and sell different products. You can sell all types of different insurances, and stocks, and bonds. Of course all with little to no coverage for unnecessary occurances in the first place, or low divedend products.

Anyways, I'm getting off topic by talking about World Financial group. But this guy who I mentioned earliear that worked for world financial group moved to visalus with but load of his friends. My point is these guys have wonky moral compasses when it comes to making money. I still haven't figured out if it's completely deliberate, or that they just don't fully comprehend the amount of money they've basically swindled out of people at their last job. The fact is that generally people who are succesful in visalus often have a similar past of working with similarly structured companies such as Visalus. Visalus like world financial group, or many companies like it are structured in a pyramid structure, where the people who get in early and are higher up to begin with will make the most money.

(among some other proffessions I met of these people were salesmann of ( shotty candles, knives, excersize equipment, door-to-door energy contracts(no kidding, they're called Direct Energy and they tried to sign my grandpa up to this) actually had a complete expose of this company with the faces of supervisors making rounds in my city))

So to sum, despite its many caveats you could feasibly make some amount of money on this. The fact is 99.9% people don't fall within the category of people that fit the requirements. And in my opinion that's a good thing if you need to sleep at night, I wouldn't feel right selling people things they don't need and pretending that I'm motivated as a health promoter. I don't think any modern society could exist without salesman to move products in some way, but when you have an organization like Visalus that has a structure dependent on the fact you need to have an image of a health promoter instead of a salesman, then that crosses the line of underhandedness to me. I have to give credit where it's due, Visalus is a company that offers it's people many ways to make money and get started, but the numbers most certainly aren't on your side, and to tip the the other way isn't worth it.

Now some may argue that, or some may have read all this past stuff and decided that they're truly special, and that they're not an asshole and that they can still this product in a moral way. The fact is they will force you to sell to friends and family, as soon as you enter, they get you to make a list of all the people in your friends and family that you first want to approach about Visalus, then you're "supervisor" or "guider" or whatever the **** they call him is supposed to sit next to you as you make these phonecalls. Now of course you're only starting off and not a pro like these sick bastards, so what you're supposed to do is hand over the phone(with your friend or family member on the other line) and let them close the deal. ( just imagine what your friends or family members are thinking about you at this point.)

Or you may be thinking that with enough motivation or with the right 'mindset' you can solve any task before you. I can tell you this way of thinking is probably what bothered me to no end.

We had to go to this head leaders house and listen to him spew out these business philosophies that you here from 1am infomercials. all along allong the lines of... "hey, are you tired of your job, are you tired of making the same amount of money as the guy next to you when you know you deserve more? do you want to break away from the pack? Do you think that you have something more special to offer than what your 8hr job can offer, or- or - are you tired of having a 'job' to begin with? What is a job any ways, right?"..... With this sort of bullshit they invoke a stunning amount ideas and emotions, all meant to seem simple and easy to follow, but which also come with assumptions, and create scarecrow arguments, especially towards the invalidity of the way most people tend to earn their living, as a result making you're way of thinking and those around you a villain, or an obstacle which must be overcome.

Who can disagree that they feel they have something special about them to offer to the world, the thing is we all really do. I don't give a damn what people think, we're all special, even the guy who happens to be spewing out the nonsense I mentioned above. But you can't equate this to the idea Visalus is in any way an avenue of this self expression in our lives, or any money making scheme for that matter. To it seems like saying ' you love your kids don't you?! You want the best for your kids don't you?! Then you want to give them everything they want don't you?! Then you need to make the most money you possibly can don you?!' ... what I'm trying to say is that you don't need to resort to manipulating people's emotions to get them to become good salesman. It's not professional, it's not what they teach you in any Undergrad business class, or in any MBA or in any board room or law practice(my dad) or medical school(older brother).

They try to tell you that this will give you practice in sales, but the fact is professional salesman are never taught to overlook the implications of their product. So if your considering being a salesman as a lifelong profession, I would consider what I've said so far closely. Also know that as a salesman, the number one rule is KNOW YOUR PRODUCT.

This is something that Visalus doesn't allow you to do. All nutritional references to Visalus are made dependent on company, this means Visalus is allowed to fund the research and choses which information is given to the salesman as well as on the product labels them selves. On the whole though from my research alone, I've found some conflicting information, not all of it bad, but in itself should be concerning. A lot of this has to do with the fact the things like the amount of Vitamin b12 for example is found in different levels depending on the study. Although some studies have been conducted independently, some of these are funded by Visalus, which WILL ALWAYS cite these ones over others. What isn't known yet is the amount of toxic metals and BPH , MCPMB, that is usually at safe levels for these and other shakes such as protein shakes and stuff like that. If you'd like some starting point on info for visalus look up More Ingredients Reveal More Dangers With Visalus Products - Healthy Families for God (http://healthyfamiliesforgod.com/2011/12/more-ingredients-reveal-more-dangers-with-visalus-products/)

i know for me personally, it gave the fukin runs hahaha, but that might have been other things, but I never got hives until I tried Visalus, and now I get hives for other things too, so maybe it triggered it.

As I'm sure could be said about many things, whole books worth of pages could fill what I've learned about not only Visalus, but companies like it. A lot of which i never mentioned here as this whole writting was just a bit or procrastinatory break in between studying for my differential equations course at my university. NNL ( short for none the less) I'm signing off, and I hope this was all of some use. It's all up to you from here on out. Good luck