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littleroundman
03-01-2011, 11:46 PM
YourSolutions.net Adds MLM Expert – Len Clements Joins as Exec. VP

Filed under MLM Articles (http://www.yoursolutions.net/articles/category/mlm-articles/) by mel (http://www.yoursolutions.net/articles/author/mel/)

SANDY, UTAH, Feb. 18, 2011 — YourSolutions.net announced today that it has added MLM mentor and visionary Len Clements to its executive team.

Bringing decades of additional multi-level marketing experience to the YourSolutions team, Clements has provided mentoring, coaching, consulting and leadership to network marketing and direct sales companies throughout the world.

As an accomplished writer, business owner and strategist, Clements’ influence has reached the ears and actions of many executives and business builders in the industry.

Clements has been classified as an expert witness on MLM. He was the top distributor seven of nine years at Longevity Network.

Clements is a former Board of Directors member for the MLM International Association and the Association of Network Marketing Professionals. He also is the former chairman of the Advisory Board for the DSRA and has consulted with a myriad of high profile companies including Amway, NewVision, FreeLife, Trump Network, Franklin Quest, Cell Tech and Yoli
Those so inclined can fill their day with joy and read the full article HERE (http://www.yoursolutions.net/articles/2011/02/yoursolutions-net-adds-mlm-expert-%E2%80%93-len-clements-joins-as-exec-vp/)

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 12:01 AM
Ha! Great find, LRM! I feel so much better knowing Lenny will be able to keep paying the mortgage on his track home in Vegas now. lmao

Here is the website for this venture:

MLM Binary Matrix Software : Self-Replicating : Website Replication : MLM Unilevel : Party Plan : Network Marketing Software : MLM Software : YourSolutions.net (http://www.yoursolutions.net/mlm_software.html)

Theophilus
03-02-2011, 12:11 AM
It's not really a track home, it is actually a mansion he lives in...........

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/1966Blue/Other%20Interesting%20stuff/redneck-mansion.jpg

Unsaved Trash
03-02-2011, 12:12 AM
It's not really a track home, it is actually a mansion he lives in...........

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/1966Blue/Other%20Interesting%20stuff/redneck-mansion.jpg

Excuse me, Theo, but those are better known as condos here in the USA. Especially in Mississippi.

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 12:24 AM
Now I am depressed. My place only has two stories!

Seriously?
03-02-2011, 07:03 AM
Excuse me, Theo, but those are better known as condos here in the USA. Especially in Mississippi.

Also known as a split level in more affluent neighborhoods.

Doc Bunkum
03-02-2011, 07:30 AM
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Len Clements
Executive VP of Client Strategies

* Direct Sales & MLM career that spans 30 years
* Classified as an expert witness on MLM
* Top Distributor 7 of 9 years ('95-'03) at Longevity Network
* Highly respected author, trainer and speaker
* Former Board of Directors member for:
o MLM International Association
o Association of Network Marketing Professionals
* Former Chairman of the Advisory Board for the DSRA
* Consulting clients include Amway, NewVision, FreeLife,
Trump Network, Franklin Quest, Cell Tech and Yoli (among others)

http://www.yoursolutions.net/images/len.jpg

Mike!
03-02-2011, 08:42 AM
AKA: Clem Lemons.

:RpS_laugh:

Eddie Haskell
03-02-2011, 12:51 PM
* Direct Sales & MLM career that spans 30 years
* Classified as an expert witness on MLM
* Top Distributor 7 of 9 years ('95-'03) at Longevity Network
* Highly respected author, trainer and speaker
* Former Board of Directors member for:
o MLM International Association
o Association of Network Marketing Professionals
* Former Chairman of the Advisory Board for the DSRA
* Consulting clients include Amway, NewVision, FreeLife,
Trump Network, Franklin Quest, Cell Tech and Yoli (among others)


Why would anyone brag about this?? I have heard of this guy but cant place him. I dont frequent the MLM boards or keep track of whats going on. How can this guy have 30 years of experience scamming the MLM community when he only looks like he is 40? Are scammers and pimps getting an earlier start these days?

I would be ashamed to put this crap on my resume. I suppose it appeals to the MLM cult though.

laidback
03-02-2011, 01:11 PM
AKA: Clem Lemons.

:RpS_laugh:

LOL, careful there Mike. If you take off the hat and mustache on that avatar pic, it is a pretty close match,,,! (I love that movie, BTW.):RpS_laugh:

laidback
03-02-2011, 01:13 PM
Now I am depressed. My place only has two stories!

So are they...! The place did have elevator service, but the scissor lift was repossessed...!

Whip
03-02-2011, 02:55 PM
It's a wonder he has the time for this while trying to debunk the mighty Amega Wand.

Eddie Haskell
03-02-2011, 03:23 PM
who is lem clmentss anyway??

laidback
03-02-2011, 03:43 PM
who is lem clmentss anyway??

He is an MLM "guru"...! His web site is here:

MarketWave - MLM Research & Analysis (http://www.marketwaveinc.com/)

Soapboxmom
03-02-2011, 04:04 PM
who is lem clmentss anyway??

Len Clements MLM Expert Extraordinaire and Hero of the MLM Industry? - Len Clements, Clem Lemons, Realscam.com (http://www.free-press-release.com/news-len-clements-mlm-expert-extraordinaire-and-hero-of-the-mlm-industry-1299098012.html)

http://www.realscam.com/f9/marketwave-inc-len-clements-65/

http://www.realscam.com/f22/asshatination-clem-lemons-other-tales-woe-39/

http://www.realscam.com/f11/justin-p-jones-con-artist-formerly-known-broker-jones-385/

http://www.realscam.com/f22/len-hes-wimp-96/

http://www.realscam.com/f20/mwave-banned-115/

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
03-02-2011, 04:14 PM
In yet another episode of Clem Lemons runs at the mouth we have:

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/162036_117532964984257_888899_q.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/mlmlegal)

Kevin Thompson MLM Attorney (http://www.facebook.com/mlmlegal)
‎"In fact, pursuing multiple MLM programs simultaneously is a concept that is almost universally discredited by the most successful MLM veterans working today. That is, the ones whose methods you'd think would make the most sense to duplicate." Great insight by industry expert and friend, Len Clements.


February 18 at 11:07pm (http://www.facebook.com/mlmlegal/posts/131748793562674) · View Feedback (2)Hide Feedback (2)

2 people (http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=131748793562674) like this.

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2 whole people liked that. What an industry leader he is proving to be!



Soapboxmom

Mike!
03-02-2011, 05:48 PM
LOL, careful there Mike. If you take off the hat and mustache on that avatar pic, it is a pretty close match,,,! (I love that movie, BTW.):RpS_laugh:

http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-innocent-smileys-329.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/facebook-smileys.html)


"Push the button, Max."

Seriously?
03-02-2011, 09:23 PM
Len Clements MLM Expert Extraordinaire and Hero of the MLM Industry? - Len Clements, Clem Lemons, Realscam.com (http://www.free-press-release.com/news-len-clements-mlm-expert-extraordinaire-and-hero-of-the-mlm-industry-1299098012.html)

http://www.realscam.com/f9/marketwave-inc-len-clements-65/

http://www.realscam.com/f22/asshatination-clem-lemons-other-tales-woe-39/

http://www.realscam.com/f11/justin-p-jones-con-artist-formerly-known-broker-jones-385/

http://www.realscam.com/f22/len-hes-wimp-96/

http://www.realscam.com/f20/mwave-banned-115/

Soapboxmom

Oh, and don't forget the unforgettable appearance on the JREF forum (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=167749&highlight=Amega+Wand&page=7) where he comes to save the masses from *gasp* a fake magic wand!!

Unsaved Trash
03-02-2011, 09:49 PM
Oh, and don't forget the unforgettable appearance on the JREF forum (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=167749&highlight=Amega+Wand&page=7) where he comes to save the masses from *gasp* a fake magic wand!!

You mean these by Mr. Charmer?


Normally I'd take offense to this cynical guilty until proven innocent approach, buy hey, it's a skeptics forum, which is likely full of skeptics. So I'll indulge this for one round. Then I hope you all might actually try to assist me.

Quatloos, as I'm sure most of you know, is a haven for haters, anti-MLM zealots, and run of the mill internet trolls. Surely no one here actually considers this forum a credible source of information. Yes? And yes, I've recently been made an admin of the Scam.com board as part of the owner's and other moderator's efforts to clean out all the anonymous haters and trolls and actually make it what it's suppose to be - a forum to expose scams.

Tracy Coenen (Sequenceinc.com) is a cohort of Barry Minkow (Google him). The two links you provided refers to propaganda posted on Usana's Yahoo stock board by Steve Rotolante (alias terminatedramp - a name he came up with to proudly declare his account had previously been terminated by Yahoo) who is also an accomplice in Minkow's stock shorting scheme, and who hates me because I keep exposing his lies and mistakes. Coenen just took what ever garbage Rotolante posted and repeated it in her blog. When I went in to refute these claims and provide verifiable facts to support my rebuttal, Coanan, who claims to be a devout advocate of freedom of speech and defender of the First Amendment, deleted my responses and blocked my ability to comment on any of her blog entries.

As for oneunites.com, although I appreciate her promotion of me and my company, I have no idea who this person is, and have nothing what-so-ever to do with her lead generation program.

In the process of exposing scams and frauds over the last 20 years I have pissed a lot of people off. I'm sure you'll find a lot of their rantings on line.

If you want to know who I am and why I'm here, why not post links to the schemes I've exposed and/or criticized? There are numerous examples on my website. Apparently I can't post links here until I've posted 15 times (odd rule), so just add these extensions to a URL that begins with MarketWaveInc.com...

/viewalert.asp?id=129
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While doing your online investigation of me, you might also want to start by taking a look at the legal case list on my resume here:

marketwaveinc.com/about.asp

You'll find that in most cases I've testified against MLM companies, including three cases on behalf of distributor plaintiffs against Equinox, one of the largest and most notorious pyramid schemes.

As I said, I'm extremely skeptical of the Amega wand. My intention is to expose it as a fraud. However, I will not slant the data. What ever it shows is what I will report. That's why I want to make sure I design and conduct tests that cannot "validate" the wand due to the placebo effect or kinesthetic tricks.

If I'm in the wrong place, no problem. I'll leave. Just let me know.

Len

JREF Forum - View Single Post - "Amega Wand" Chrystal/Mineral healing scam (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5961518&postcount=279)

I think we all know how well that admin job at scam.com worked out for Len.


Jesus, what a bunch of pricks. I came in here respectfully asking for help, and tried to answer what ever concerns you all had. I thought I was among some like minded skeptics who would be keen on helping me expose a scam. I really should have looked around a little before posting here. Turns out this board is as full of cowardly trolls who get off on trashing people, completely unprovoked, as scam.com and quatloos!

You can have your little mud puddle back. I've got better things, and better people, to deal with.
JREF Forum - View Single Post - "Amega Wand" Chrystal/Mineral healing scam (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5962744&postcount=305)


Didn't take long for you to make enemies over there either. But I still love and respect you just as much as I always did.

Doc Bunkum
03-02-2011, 10:19 PM
How I miss those long winded diatribes from Lenny as that windbag toots his own horn.

Like this (http://www.businessinsider.com/real-entrepreneurs-avoid-multi-level-marketing-2011-1) recent post...


Len Clements on Jan 9, 7:03 PM said:
Martin,

While I respect your efforts to warn would-be entrepreneurs about illegal schemes, your observations regarding multilevel marketing (MLM) are ignorant and unjustified. Please understand that I am not using the term "ignorant" derogatorily, but rather to describe your commentary as being ignore-ant of readily available historical, mathematical, and legal information about this industry and profession.

First of all, as a successful distributor, consultant, advocate, and court certified expert in the field of multilevel marketing, I am offended by your reference to my profession as a pyramid scheme only by a "matter of degree"....

Soapboxmom
03-02-2011, 11:35 PM
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Board of Directors for the ANMP
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Founded an MLM company based on that product
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Has been developing technology for over 30 years
Spent the last 13 of those in the MLM space
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Oversaw hundreds of software implementations

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22 years of management and marketing experience
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Both a NWM company owner and distributor
Expert Consultant

Product development
Corporate branding
Strategic planning
Internet marketing

http://www.yoursolutions.net/images/len.jpg Len Clements






Executive VP of Client Strategies

Direct Sales & MLM career that spans 30 years
Classified as an expert witness on MLM
Top Distributor 7 of 9 years ('95-'03) at Longevity Network
Highly respected author, trainer and speaker
Former Board of Directors member for:

MLM International Association
Association of Network Marketing Professionals

Former Chairman of the Advisory Board for the DSRA
Consulting clients include Amway, NewVision, FreeLife,
Trump Network, Franklin Quest, Cell Tech and Yoli (among others)

Advisory Board


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Too bad these guys aren't savvy enough to use Google.

Here is the best of Lenny from our site:

http://www.realscam.com/search.php?searchid=11020

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
03-03-2011, 07:29 PM
Our Clients : MLM Law Firm Consulting : Self-Replicating Websites : Network Marketing Software : MLM Software : YourSolutions.net (http://www.yoursolutions.net/clients.html)

Some client list. I sure as heck haven't heard of these companies. Of course, the real question is have they heard of Len Clements? Even George Dranichak of Scam sent Len Clements packing after getting scammed by Len himself. It will be fun to see how long it takes before Clements is shown the door at yoursolutions.net.

The other burning question is has Clements completely abandoned the Yoli Titanic? Even the non Mensa minds want to know! And, speaking of Mensa.

MarketWave Inc. About Len Clements (http://www.marketwaveinc.com/about.asp)
http://www.marketwaveinc.com/images/MensaLogo.jpg (http://www.mensa.org/)


From: Joy
Subject: RE: Member confirmation
To:
Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:47 PM



Hello,



According to our database, Mr. Clements was a member of American Mensa from February 23, 2001 through March 31, 2005.




If you have any further questions or concerns, let me know.




Regards,




Joy Martin

Executive Assistant
American Mensa, Ltd.









Len still proudly brags of his Mensa membership on his website. I wonder if the lying fraud ever paid up since we called him out on this last May.


Soapboxmom

USANAWatchDog
03-03-2011, 09:23 PM
Len wrote
"he two links you provided refers to propaganda posted on Usana's Yahoo stock board by Steve Rotolante (alias terminatedramp - a name he came up with to proudly declare his account had previously been terminated by Yahoo) who is also an accomplice in Minkow's stock shorting scheme, and who hates me because I keep exposing his lies and mistakes."

Interestingly, Steve Rotolante does not appear in the list of individuals USANA filed a lawsuit against in the supposed shorting scheme against Barry Minkow and others that USANA never proved anyway. Isn't this considered slander?

Soapboxmom
03-03-2011, 10:12 PM
Len wrote

Interestingly, Steve Rotolante does not appear in the list of individuals USANA filed a lawsuit against in the supposed shorting scheme against Barry Minkow and others that USANA never proved anyway. Isn't this considered slander?
Len is an armchair lawyer of the most dangerous kind. He thinks folks should want to get sued so they can countersue with a Slapp suit. The idiot never realized that the Slapp suit (strategic lawsuit against public participation) was the original filing. And, even though a scambuster that gets sued has this protection in a few states and if they are in the right can easily win anywhere, it can be exceedingly difficult to collect. So who would want to get tangled up in frivolous lawsuits except Mr. Mensa himself.

If Rotolante enjoys filing suits against idiots who may be collection proof, I would think he has a good case. Where is Len's proof of these criminal stock shorting allegations??? In my experience Lenny just runs at the mouth.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
03-03-2011, 10:26 PM
MLM Community (http://www.networknook.com/index.php)

Len's new company has an MLM forum. Just what Lenny needs ---- another forum to have one of his catastrophic meltdowns on. I joined that graveyard and am watching for any sign of life. I do need a good laugh!

Soapboxmom

Seriously?
03-04-2011, 07:44 AM
7 members? Posts date from 2009? You're going to be waiting a long time...

Soapboxmom
03-04-2011, 10:53 AM
Here is more from the clown that hired our little Lenny:









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Multi-million dollar MLMs, really??? I can't find a single company on the list (http://www.yoursolutions.net/clients.html)I even recognize. No Doubt Lenny the meltdown king is going to put these guys on the map. Probably not the map they envisioned, but........

Soapboxmom

Doc Bunkum
03-04-2011, 11:13 AM
Multi-million dollar MLMs, really???


Soapboxmom

Well, no, not really.

Mega Multi-Million Dollar Corporate MLM's

So mega is a million.

And a million million is a trillion if I remember correctly.

There's MLM companies with those kinds of revenue?:RpS_scared:

Soapboxmom
03-04-2011, 11:37 AM
But, there's more:


The problem with this is that you are trading your time for money, and because you have a limited amount of time there is only a limited amount of money you can make. You are trapped. You have bills... Your Time is limited... Your Income too is limited... So, control of your Time and your Finances become impossible. You become frustrated with never really getting ahead and your Spirit starts to suffer... over time you become extremely stressed... and your Health now begins to suffer.
All this because you work a J.O.B. (Just Over Broke).
Leverage is the key to breaking this cycle! Finding a way to get paid over and over on a single amount of effort, a way to get paid off the efforts of others, a way to own your own business, a way to control your life...
It's okay... Dream! Dream all you want...

DREAMS are what bring back Hope...
HOPE is what drives Vision...
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You must first find the vehicle that will stimulate those dreams, encourage hope, and create vision!!! My journey has been just that... to find the vehicle that will offer the average person a chance to control their life (Health, Spirit, Time, and Finances).
Today as you read this there are thousands of people who have had their dreams stimulated, their hope invigorated, and vision fulfilled through Network Marketing. A Vehicle that empowers participants when executed properly.
Good Luck on your Journey,
Mel Atwood

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Office: 800-613-5434

Good grief Charlie Brown. This poor guy has zero disease and rambles nonsense. 97% or more losing their shirts in any given MLM hardly fits this trip into fantasy land he is selling! Millions have lost money!

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
03-04-2011, 11:41 AM
Ah yes,

'twill be a sad day indeed, when Mr Clements decides to climb down off his soapbox, resign his self appointed position of MLM industry spokesman and settles down to enjoy a few years of STFU.

God help us all, though, if he ever decides to publish his memoirs.

And you thought War and Peace was long and boring.........Ptui !

laidback
03-04-2011, 12:05 PM
Ah yes,

'twill be a sad day indeed, when Mr Clements decides to climb down off his soapbox, resign his self appointed position of MLM industry spokesman and settles down to enjoy a few years of STFU.

God help us all, though, if he ever decides to publish his memoirs.

And you thought War and Peace was long and boring.........Ptui !

LOL, Patrick Pretty gave him a good roast today:

EDITORIAL: Salt Lake Tribune Publishes Series On MLM; Reader Claims Reporter A ‘Broke’ Purveyor Of ‘Negativity’; Separately, Len Clements (IQ-155) ‘Assumes’ Reporter Was ‘Duped’ By The ‘Flimflam’ Of MLM Critics...

EDITORIAL: Salt Lake Tribune Publishes Series On MLM; Reader Claims Reporter A ‘Broke’ Purveyor Of ‘Negativity’; Separately, Len Clements (IQ-155) ‘Assumes’ Reporter Was ‘Duped’ By The ‘Flimflam&# (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2011/03/04/editorial-salt-lake-tribune-publishes-series-on-mlm-reader-claims-reporter-a-broke-purveyor-of-negativity-separately-len-clements-iq-155-assumes-reporter-was-duped-by-the-flimf/)

littleroundman
03-04-2011, 12:24 PM
It's a pity Patrick didn't publish his article a few hours earlier.

It would have given us a perfect segue to our discussion on NARCISSISM (http://www.realscam.com/f37/new-generation-infected-narcissism-says-psychologist-558/)

laidback
03-04-2011, 01:04 PM
(rant on)Any discussion of intelligence and how to measure it is necessarily subjective. I've taken the IQ tests, (they were required when I was young) and they scored me as "genius" level. My only thought there is, if I'm a genius, that means almost everybody else is a super genius! I don't feel that IQ tests can actually test IQ, they are merely a measure of what you have previously learned or been exposed to.

The other part of the problem is, that superior intelligence does not assure that that intelligence can or will be used effectively. Many "brilliant" people lack common sense, and are often social failures. I guess this is a long winded way of saying that Len's proclaimed 155IQ and membership in MENSA in and of themselves mean little. There was a mod at MyScamForum that proclaimed membership in MENSA and she was biased and arbitrary in the exercise of her mod duties, and in fact was incapable of seeing or admitting her bias.(rant off)

littleroundman
03-04-2011, 01:21 PM
Credit where credits' due, though.

You have to admit, when it comes to being an obnoxious self opinionated blowhard, Lenny's 155+ IQ means he's better at it than a great percentage of the population

Seriously?
03-04-2011, 07:15 PM
"when it comes to being an obnoxious self opinionated unctuous blowhard"

WishfulThinking
03-04-2011, 09:35 PM
"when it comes to being an obnoxious self opinionated unctuous blowhard"

:RpS_thumbsup: Source Patrick Pretty ESQ :RpS_thumbsup:

The man's a genius (PP that is)

A Life Aloft
03-04-2011, 11:42 PM
:RpS_thumbsup: Source Patrick Pretty ESQ :RpS_thumbsup:

The man's a genius (PP that is)Is Patrick the best or what? The quality, the research, the educational aspects and the intelligence of his blog posts are just outstanding. He's a very good writer. We need a hundred more of these guys out there. I wish he'd come by and do a guest host thread for us sometime.

I loved it when he wrote: "At least Clements didn’t summon his advertised IQ of 155 to call them “roaches” or to declare that Oberbeck was “broke.” He merely relied on his unctuousness. In doing so, he demonstrated once again that MLM often is its own worst enemy.

A five-page, de facto letter to the editor — one filled with slime reimagined as a sincere effort to be helpful and 10 footnotes? This is supposed to beneficial to the trade?

Little wonder that MLM finds itself the topic of constant criticism." ROTFL! Spot damn on as usual, sir!

Mike!
03-05-2011, 12:25 AM
You have to admire a guy who makes friends where ever he goes!

:RpS_laugh:

Wait, did I say friends?
That's not right, I should say, a lasting impression. That's a good way to spin it.

:RpS_lol:

littleroundman
03-05-2011, 01:14 AM
Spot damn on as usual, sir!

People often use the same term when meeting Lenny in person for the first time.

Lenny's gonna be shattered when he realizes it's spelled C-U-R

laidback
03-05-2011, 10:32 AM
People often use the same term when meeting Lenny in person for the first time.

Lenny's gonna be shattered when he realizes it's spelled C-U-R

Surely you aren't suggesting that when he gets home, his mother runs out from under the porch and bites him...?:RpS_scared:

A Life Aloft
03-05-2011, 09:35 PM
Surely you aren't suggesting that when he gets home, his mother runs out from under the porch and bites him...?:RpS_scared:It may be the other way around! lmao

GlimDropper
03-05-2011, 11:25 PM
Here is more from the clown that hired our little Lenny:

<Snip>

Multi-million dollar MLMs, really??? I can't find a single company on the list (http://www.yoursolutions.net/clients.html)I even recognize. No Doubt Lenny the meltdown king is going to put these guys on the map. Probably not the map they envisioned, but........


I think a few folks around here might remember Global Resorts Network, one of the more amusing little travel MLMs. And it isn't in the big list but the flash slide show has a glowing recommendation from the short lived "Guru Cruise" -dot- com which was an over priced three night cruise with marketing geniuses, a two tiered affiliate program and a whole lot of spam.

Ferox International is another client, I've never understood why none of makers of those magic pills you put in your gas tank which boost performance, increase mileage and improve emissions don't walk into the office of Car and Driver magazine, hand them a bottle and ask them to check the product out? Favorable coverage from a national publication would give them more customers than they could handle but instead they opt to take the "word of mouth" MLM approach instead (http://www.feroxfueltabs.com/members/default/opportunity.htm). I mean assuming the pills actually work, because if they don't then MLM is the best way to go.

There are a few others throw up red flags as well but I'm sure once scam buster extraordinaire Len's on the payroll he'll make sure everything's above board. (Anyone have a finger down the throat making that gagging sound emoticon?)

littleroundman
03-06-2011, 12:21 AM
Any of these what you had in mind ???

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A Life Aloft
03-06-2011, 12:23 AM
I think it's going to be fun to do a little research on some of these clients. Mother Soy for example:

Warning Letter Issued to Mother Soy __________________________________ On October 24, 2006, FDA’s Detroit District Office issued a Warning Letter to MotherSoy Inc., Evansville, Indiana, for misbranding its Essential IsoFlavones and Essential Protein shake products. FDA conducted an inspection at MotherSoy on June 26 – 29, 2006. The inspection disclosed that the firm was offering dietary supplements online with health claims that claimed to cure, mitigate, treat or prevent cancer, heart disease, chronic fatigue syndrome and
Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition Fiscal Year 2007
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4-20
other diseases and conditions. Previously in March 2000, the firm received a Warning Letter for similar violations with its Essential Pro Plus and California Joe Drink protein shakes. The firm discontinued the marketing and sales of these products. However, the compliance follow-up inspection found the firm continued to make health claims for its dietary supplements, making their products unapproved drugs. To view the full text of the Warning Letter, go to: http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/archive/g6093d.htm.

Search Results: mothersoy (http://google2.fda.gov/search?q=mothersoy&spell=1&client=FDAgov&site=FDAgov&lr=&proxystylesheet=FDAgov&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&access=p)

A Life Aloft
03-06-2011, 12:29 AM
Also of interest, several (6 so far) of these "businesses" can no longer be found on the web and appear to be defunct and some of their domains are now up for sale. lol I have also noticed that 5 other clients so far are heavily Christian faith based.

A Life Aloft
03-06-2011, 12:47 AM
Here is Paul Shala, founder of Cutting Edge Vitamins:

ShalaSuccess.com (http://amla-juice.blogspot.com/)

Now he's into All Vitamins Plus

PaulShala.com/CuttingEdgeVitamins (http://tampogoflorida.blogspot.com/)

littleroundman
03-06-2011, 01:51 AM
A complete cynic might be prepared to wager that the good Mr Clements' reappearance on the scene has less to do with the Star Lake Tribunes' article and Patrick Prettys' subsequent commentary and more to do with his new job at YourSolutions.net.

Was it pure coincidence Lenny returned from his wound licking and fired off his "War and Peace Revisited" piece to the Salt Lake Tribune in the same week his new "appointment" was announced ???

It's a good thing there are no cynics around here, otherwise we all might be tempted to let out a resounding "yawn" in anticipation of what's to come.

GlimDropper
03-06-2011, 01:55 AM
Another yoursolutions dot net client:

Diamond Prosperity, a 2 x 2 forced cycling matrix with a $1,295 buy in, a $100 set up fee and a $29/month website fee. What do you get for that fee? The "Watch the Movie (http://www.diamondprosperity.com/movie/)" marketing system (Now showing, A Fist Full of Cash). YourSolutions offers legal consulting services but it doesn't appear like they require them. I'm sure Len would tell us Diamond Prosperity is a legitimate direct selling company, after all YourSolutions wouldn't brag about having them for a client if they weren't. Would they?

Seriously?
03-06-2011, 10:35 AM
I think a few folks around here might remember Global Resorts Network, one of the more amusing little travel MLMs.Yes, one of those warts on the backside of the travel industry.

"The List"

However we have worked with well over 2500 different MLM's Wow. And how many of them are still functioning? It would be an interesting comparison to see as a percentage, how many of their clients ultimately fail vs those that aren't clients.

Soapboxmom
03-07-2011, 08:21 PM
Lenny says:


Publisher and Editor of MarketWave Alert Letter.
Industry "watchdog" newsletter focusing on MLM opportunity evaluation.
Published from January 1991 through December 1995 as MarketWave.
Published from December 1998 to present as Marketwave Alert Letter.
3,800 subscribers in 16 countries.

Lenny is such a big industry watchdog and respected guru. Look for yourselves, folks. With 7 - 12 million MLMers in the U.S. alone he has a whopping 3800 subscribers to his newsletter. Boy, am I impressed!!!

But, I digress. Being the industry watch dog extraordinaire he has proclaimed himself to be, he must be in quite a quandry right now. Didn't our boy say he was going to expose the good, the bad and the ugly. He is going to be a busy boy over there at YourSolutions.net.

What with shady nutraceuticals, faux religious MLMs, gas pills (which even the Texas Attorney General's office shut down,) whatever shall our saviour of the industry do?

Is our little Lenny going to save the day and start by cleaning up the industry in his own backyard???

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
03-08-2011, 10:30 PM
Len Clements is going down in flames with those ridiculous claims he made about Yoli! :RpS_wink:

http://www.realscam.com/f9/yoli-distributor-figures-march-2011-reveal-failed-pyramid-scheme-570/

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
03-09-2011, 07:14 AM
Len Clements is going down in flames with those ridiculous claims he made about Yoli! :RpS_wink:

http://www.realscam.com/f9/yoli-distributor-figures-march-2011-reveal-failed-pyramid-scheme-570/

Soapboxmom

"Going" down ???

Would that mean he hasn't already "gone down" ????

Does anyone who has been in, on or around the MLM industry for more than 5 minutes listen to ANYTHING the guy says ???

Even on MLM.com no one even bothers to comment on his shenanigans any more.

His new employers must be wondering what on earth they've got themselves into.

If reading his unctuous ranti....err....posts wasn't so fascinating in a "watching a trainwreck" sort of way, young Lenny would long ago have been consigned to the irrelevant category along with his mates from the Flat Earth Society

Soapboxmom
03-09-2011, 01:52 PM
147146Now LRM really!!! Len Clements is the guru extraordinaire / superhero savior of the MLM industry.

Faster than a speeding tax protester running from the IRS.
More powerful than a Yoli blast cap on steroids.
Able to leap towering pyramids in a single bound.

Look! Up in the sky!
It's a bird. It's a plane. It's SuperLenny!

Yes, it's SuperLenny strange visitor from another planet who came to Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. SuperLenny - who can change the course of MLM history, bend facts with his Mensa mind, and who, disguised as MLM Guru Man, mild mannered V.P. for a great scam promoting company, fights the never ending battle for Truth, Justice and the American Way.

Soapboxmom

laidback
03-09-2011, 02:07 PM
147146Now LRM really!!! Len Clements is the guru extraordinaire / superhero savior of the MLM industry.

Faster than a speeding tax protester running from the IRS.
More powerful than a Yoli blast cap on steroids.
Able to leap towering pyramids in a single bound.

Look! Up in the sky!
It's a bird. It's a plane. It's SuperLenny!

Yes, it's SuperLenny strange visitor from another planet who came to Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. SuperLenny - who can change the course of MLM history, bend facts with his Mensa mind, and who, disguised as MLM Guru Man, mild mannered V.P. for a great scam promoting company, fights the never ending battle against Truth, Justice and the American Way.

Soapboxmom
There ya go, mom, fixed that typo for ya.

Doc Bunkum
03-09-2011, 02:08 PM
SuperLenny - who can change the course of MLM history, bend facts with his Mensa mind, and who, disguised as MLM Guru Man, mild mannered V.P. for a great scam promoting company, fights the never ending battle for Truth, Justice and the American Way.

Soapboxmom

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Doc Bunkum
03-12-2011, 08:01 AM
Len Clements MLM Expert Extraordinaire and Hero of the MLM Industry?

Len Clements has been involved in the MLM industry for 30 years. Is he the MLM expert, industry watchdog and inspiring voice of the industry he claims to be or simply another clever promoter?

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
(Free-Press-Release.com) March 2, 2011 --
Len Clements has been involved in the MLM industry for 30 years. Is he the MLM guru, industry watchdog and inspiring voice of the industry he claims to be or simply another clever scam promoter?

The consumer advocates of Realscam.com are asking the tough questions. What experience and education does Clements boast? What MLMs has he been involved with? What experience does he really have as a court certified expert on the MLM industry? What kind of success has he had in the industry? Why was he made an Administrator at Scam.com then removed and banned? Should he have supported Broker Jones of Oceanside Network?

Is Len Clements the industry watchdog he paints himself to be? Has he been a positive voice for change in the industry? Has the MLM industry boomed as he predicted? Has he successfully refuted his many online critics? Does Len Clements have an online reputation he can be proud of? How well are the MLM companies doing that he has been a representative for or worked for in the corporate office? Is he truly the picture of MLM success?

The answer to these questions and more can be found at Realscam.com. We invite you to join us and read, post and decide for yourself!

Sweet! :RpS_smile:

Soapboxmom
03-22-2011, 07:01 PM
03-22-2011, 11:57 AM
ohein56 (http://www.scam.com/member.php?u=9860) http://www.scam.com/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Northern, California
Posts: 7,819
Blog Entries: 22 (http://www.scam.com/blog.php?u=9860)
http://www.scam.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif


Re: Heather Dobrott aka soapboxmom found in contem

Originally Posted by Harry Balls http://www.scam.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=1029298#post1029298)
You have some nerve comparing yourself to someone of SBM's stature!

Again, one must consider the source. SBM's "stature"? She's pushing 300 pounds it appears. For a "woman", her "stature" needs LOTS of work! If you're referring to her "stature" in the online world...

Len has more traffic and more stature online than she could ever hope to have!http://www.scam.com/images/smilies/judges.gif


Originally Posted by Harry Balls http://www.scam.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=1029298#post1029298)
Simply put she's the Ralph Nader of the MLM and Ponzi scheme world.


No, she isn't. She's the admin of a completely unknown site with a bunch of hate-mongers and liars as members. It's a little group think CAWIT cult, and you're one of the founding members it appears!


Originally Posted by Harry Balls http://www.scam.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=1029298#post1029298)
She's done more to save poor simple minded goofs like you and Chris and Wil from getting scammed than almost anyone on the planet.


http://www.scam.com/images/smilies/drooling1.gif Yeah, right...Keep dreamin...


Originally Posted by Harry Balls http://www.scam.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=1029298#post1029298)
You should get down on your knees and revere the ground she walks on instead of making stupid smart ass comments.


Really?!

It sounds like you've got your head so far up her ass you'd very likely be in the way!

I'll pass, thanks. I'd rather stick an ice-pick in my ear than praise ANYTHING from her & her ilk.


Originally Posted by Harry Balls http://www.scam.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=1029298#post1029298)
So why don't you make yourself useful and go put on a pair of rubber gloves and go unplug some logs from some tenet's toilet.


I don't do repairs, sorry to ruin your image of me. FYI, I enforce, delegate, and oversee. That's it.http://www.scam.com/images/smilies/rasta.gif

Kerry

Kerry, Len has significantly less traffic and Realscam is growing rapidly! I think there are many threads here that directly address Lenny's stature. His only claim to fame seems to be that he is one of the Three Stooges that valiantly tried and failed to defend MLM across the internet.

And, for your information, those photoshopped pictures on www.heatherdobrott.com (http://www.heatherdobrott.com) are the subject of criminal felony charges and civil action. I weigh 137 pounds and find your attraction to the slime that publishes obvious lies, attacks and smears fascinating. If you MLMers had any legitimate gripe with me you would be refuting me with facts. I don't think the slam site is doing much for your tattered reputations.

Was the chart below too difficult for you to interpret? It seems the obvious always escapes you. Did you sign up with Oceanside yet, you ding-a-ling. You said it was doing fine. Why not pitch your vast MLM fortune into that scam while you take a remedial math class??? I am degreed in Secondary and Higher Education. Want to join my homeschool classes?


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Soapboxmom
03-24-2011, 03:23 PM
Kerry Lee Hein, destitue ding-a-ling, posted this response from Len Clements concerning Yoli's illegal advertising:


Originally Posted by MarketWaveInc.com Len Clements
Technically, he's right. Yoli should not be saying Alkalete treats "inflammation". But this is not only a minor, insignificant infraction, the fact it is the only claim the FDA might find questionable in the entire Yoli presentation places them well within the top 2% of all health & nutrition companies in degree of legal conformity (as far as medicinal claims). Furthermore, of the hundreds of FDA Warning Letters I've read I've never, in 20 years, seen a single one that was based solely on an inflammation claim, probably because the FDA would have to hire a full time staff to do nothing else considering the thousands of product brands over the years (in and out of MLM) that make anti-inflammatory claims. The FDA sends such letters when there are far more, and more egregious, disease treatment claims where they will sometimes add "anti-inflammation" claims to an already long list of other claims.

Picking this tiny little inflammation nit is meaningless, and Bodhi is only focusing on it because he's got nothing else of substance to attack them on. And obviously nothing else better to fill his day. He's just another smarmy, anonymous coward looking for some sense of power and control that he can't get in his real life. He's a troll who needs to be fed.

Len Clements is too dense to comprehend that the identity of the poster does not effect the veracity of what they post. He just admitted the poster was correct about Yoli putting up ads that are illegal. If he had the IQ of a head of cabbage he would just STHU. When is Yoli going to do the necessary damage control and lose this total clown? Len Clements just can't stop blabbering!

Soapboxmom

JohnnyBobJohnson
03-27-2011, 08:17 PM
What a bunch of hyenas.

littleroundman
03-27-2011, 08:32 PM
What a bunch of hyenas.

Very true,

Happily for me, at least when I wake up tomorrow morning, I can choose whether or not to be a "hyena"

When Lenny awakes, he'll still be "Lenny" and there ain't nothin' he can do 'bout it.

littleroundman
03-27-2011, 08:59 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/hyena_laughs.gif

HYENAS:

Cleaning up the 'net, one Clements at a time, and having fun while they do it

Soapboxmom
04-06-2011, 05:48 PM
Len Clements is definitely making the big bucks and living the MLM dream. I checked the tax rolls again and the old homestead there in Las Vegas, Nevada is worth a whopping 85 grand. It boasts 3 tiny bedrooms in a miniscule 1322 square feet. That will sure get the big executives at those MLM companies he is consulting for and recruits attention of course. Obviously, his new big executive position isn't making him any more money than his laughable court certified expert services, consulting services or Yoli!

Soapboxmom

WishfulThinking
04-06-2011, 06:40 PM
Len Clements is definitely making the big bucks and living the MLM dream. I checked the tax rolls again and the old homestead there in Las Vegas, Nevada is worth a whopping 85 grand. It boasts 3 tiny bedrooms in a miniscule 1322 square feet. That will sure get the big executives at those MLM companies he is consulting for and recruits attention of course. Obviously, his new big executive position isn't making him any more money than his laughable court certified expert services, consulting services or Yoli!

Soapboxmom

Hey Mom, don't be mean. You are talking about Super Lenny and he has a BIG IQ.

Soapboxmom
04-06-2011, 06:48 PM
Someone please tell Heiney that Len resides at the luxurious dwelling I described above.
The 85 grand wonder is at this address as Len published on his site:
Leonard W. Clements http://www.marketwaveinc.com/images/empty_pixle.gif
Resumé
http://www.marketwaveinc.com/images/empty_pixle.gif
Leonard W. Clements
1572 Rock Island Lane
Las Vegas, NV 89110
(702) 914-1771 home/office
(702) 914-1770 fax
MarketWave@Cox.net

Whip
04-07-2011, 12:06 AM
Hey Mom, don't be mean. You are talking about Super Lenny and he has a BIG IQ.

It appears he likes Cox too.

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06-11-2011, 09:05 PM
Lenny must not be doing so great with this gig. He appears to be scrounging for referrals and blathering nonsense yet again:
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A couple of Monitium reps have written extensive rebuttals to my critical Monitium review (Alert #170 (http://www.marketwaveinc.com/viewalert.asp?id=144)), which I am preparing a response to. I'm really trying to have an open mind and give this concept a fair shake. To that end, if you are a Monitium participant please let me know how it's working for you - good or bad. Please be candid, and include your join date. Let me know if it has been profitable for you, how many member companies you've joined, and about what percentage of your downline activated their position in each of those member companies. Also, what percentage of your total income has come from products sold through the member companies and how much from the Monitium bonuses and contests? Even those of you who haven't joined, let me know what you think. Your comments and identity will be kept strictly confidential.

Thanks. I appreciate your help, and your feedback.

Len Clements
Founder & CEO
MarketWave, Inc. (http://www.marketwaveinc.com/)
__________________________________________________ ___________
Let's save Mr. Mensa (or not) some time. Monitium is a pyramid scam Lenny. There you go. And, your confused rambling about it (http://www.marketwaveinc.com/docs/MonitiumAlert170.pdf)is beyond hysterical. First you say the FTC and law enforcement look at the reps motivation for buying the product and then you state, "the ability to meet our quotas by sales to those outside the income opportunity is the concrete that the wall between legal MLM operations and illegal pyramids is built with."

The courts that have ruled seemed to look for at least 50% or more of the sales in an MLM to those not participating in the plan generally. The motivation nonsense Lenny is spouting I believe comes from a letter written by someone with the FTC. I think we should be focusing on how the courts are ruling however.

Soapboxmom

TimeforRealWork
07-20-2011, 04:17 PM
Ah yes, the expert witness! Jumps again. I clicked on some of those links in Clement's website (under podcasts) and most of them are dead links. "Networknook" is a mess too. Maybe Clements should focus on just a few things and stick with them for a change.

Soapboxmom
07-20-2011, 04:27 PM
Ah yes, the expert witness! Jumps again. I clicked on some of those links in Clement's website (under podcasts) and most of them are dead links. "Networknook" is a mess too. Maybe Clements should focus on just a few things and stick with them for a change.

Welcome to the forum. I do miss our forum buffoon, Lenny. I guess he just doesn't have the moxie to spar with us here any longer. His meltdwon diatribes were quite something to read. Seated and with plenty of refreshments naturally!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
01-01-2012, 05:13 PM
Clements is the big VP still of Yoursolutions.net. Those forums are still a mess. It certainly isn't the MLM Social Nook promised. Lenny, the meltdown king, hasn't posted a single word. The last post was 800 days ago:

Orca :: Interactive Forum Script (http://www.networknook.com/orca/)

His own traffic stinks as well. For the self-proclaimed savior of the industry with allegedly 12 million members in the U.S. alone he is virtually ignored:506

Soapboxmom
01-20-2012, 08:27 PM
Remember all those press relaeases about our little Lenny being named the Executive VP for Your Solutions???

Len Clements
Executive VP of Client Strategies


Direct Sales & MLM career that spans 30 years
Classified as an expert witness on MLM
Top Distributor 7 of 9 years ('95-'03) at Longevity Network
Highly respected author, trainer and speaker
Former Board of Directors member for:

MLM International Association
Association of Network Marketing Professionals


Former Chairman of the Advisory Board for the DSRA
Consulting clients include Amway, NewVision, FreeLife,
Trump Network, Franklin Quest, Cell Tech and Yoli (among others)


Lenny can't be bothered to even list it on his Linkedin page:


http://media.linkedin.com/mpr/pub/image-ZmKamKKv6pHOUDnRn8MSmxxOGZuOUqnRnnXlEjOBGBYCEiS/len-clements.jpg

Len Clements Owner, MarketWave, Inc.
Las Vegas, Nevada Area Market Research
Current

Distributor at Yoli, LLC
Owner at MarketWave, Inc. (http://www.linkedin.com/company/marketwave?trk=ppro_cprof)

Education

Heald Business College

Connections 282 connections
Websites

Company Website (http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Emarketwaveinc%2Eco m&urlhash=Yc6n)


Len Clements's Experience
Distributor Yoli, LLC (http://www.linkedin.com/company/yoli?trk=ppro_cprof)
Privately Held; 11-50 employees; Health, Wellness and Fitness industry
May 2009 – Present (2 years 9 months)


Owner MarketWave, Inc. (http://www.linkedin.com/company/marketwave?trk=ppro_cprof)
Privately Held; 11-50 employees; Public Relations and Communications industry
Currently holds this position





Len Clements's Education
Heald Business College 1981 – 1984










Another bust??? And, his personal sites traffic is still dropping. So much for saving MLM. I resurrected one of his more amusing rants from my personal archives:

535

Whip
01-20-2012, 10:34 PM
Why would he have any employees to write a blog of babble? or are they his heavily fluctuating downline?

littleroundman
10-21-2012, 07:15 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/len.jpg

Marketwave website (http://www.marketwaveinc.com/)

Whip
10-21-2012, 10:52 PM
Funny. I'm no where near as smart as he claims (smarter actually but don't tell him) to be and I got my site moved in a matter of minutes when I found out my host disappeared.

Whip
10-22-2012, 10:42 AM
Thank you Ma'am

littleroundman
10-22-2012, 10:47 AM
Funny. I'm no where near as smart as he claims (smarter actually but don't tell him) to be and I got my site moved in a matter of minutes when I found out my host disappeared.

Yeah, but you have an income source to pay for it

Whip
10-22-2012, 12:04 PM
Yeah, but you have an income source to pay for it

That's true.
It also exposes the mlm mentality of always blame someone else.

Soapboxmom
12-21-2012, 05:13 PM
marketwaveinc.com UVs for November 2012 | Compete (http://siteanalytics.compete.com/marketwaveinc.com/)

Lenny Clements is redefining the meaning of traffic plunging. 116 unique visitors??? At least here he could count on thousands of unique visitors to read his drivel!

:loser:

Whip
12-21-2012, 05:32 PM
Even the bots don't care. lol

GlimDropper
12-24-2012, 09:25 PM
In fairness to Len (hey, it's Christmas), he is (still) dealing with a situation where his webhost was unable to provide normal services due to the issues LRM described on post #72 of this thread. I'm sure he would have at least doubled his unique visitor number if it hadn't been for that. Hell, he could perhaps triple it if he attached the right comp plan.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-25-2012, 01:44 PM
In fairness to Len (hey, it's Christmas), he is (still) dealing with a situation where his webhost was unable to provide normal services due to the issues LRM described on post #72 of this thread. I'm sure he would have at least doubled his unique visitor number if it hadn't been for that. Hell, he could perhaps triple it if he attached the right comp plan.

Hell, he could even make good money if he ever spent his not inconsiderable energy on a real legitimate sustainable business - you know the ones with legal products and services which have intrinsic value.

oldfriend
12-26-2012, 11:18 AM
I think the biggest take away a person can get from this thread, all jokes and personal slaps aside, is that anyone thinking about doing business with this guy shouldn't.

He's not MLM rich, despite all the sales posturing. He's not overly intelligent, despite a boastfully high IQ. He's not in a position to bring you any closer to your dream of wealth, time freedom, or any other life endeavor.

To anyone considering going into business with Len Clements, don't do it!

You've been warned.

Doc Bunkum
12-27-2012, 12:16 PM
There you have it folks - Not one, not two, but eight solid, powerful, verifiable reasons for believing in an upcoming network marketing explosion. No one knows exactly when it will happen, it could be next month, it could be next year, it could be anytime the first half of this decade. All we know for sure is, if you get involved now, and stay involved, you will be there when it happens. So hop on, strap in, and get ready for the ride of your life. It's gonna' be a blast

The Coming Network Marketing Boom!

Len Clements © 2002


Lenny ain't no Nostradamus either - that's a certainty.

oldfriend
12-28-2012, 12:02 PM
Lenny ain't no Nostradamus either - that's a certainty.



MLMers tend to be internal feeders...
What I mean is that once a newb from the real world gets the MLM itch, they potentially spend years, decades, a lifetime involved in MLM in some form or fashion.
They get to know the lingo; the way things work, but it takes time. And LOTS of money and not quitting...

They pay lip service to the idea of dealing with outside customers, when all they really want is to bring in some quality networkers to their team.

Len's site is a testament to exactly that. He's trying to appeal the the MLM world, not the average Joe who doesn't know what it is.

Doc Bunkum
12-28-2012, 03:35 PM
Lenny Clements is redefining the meaning of traffic plunging. 116 unique visitors??? At least here he could count on thousands of unique visitors to read his drivel!

:loser:

Seems Lenny's traffic problem is making the news cycle:

2445

Doc Bunkum
12-28-2012, 03:38 PM
Breaking News!

Seems Lenny didn't like his plummeting traffic problems being made public:

2446

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-28-2012, 04:51 PM
Seems Lenny's traffic problem is making the news cycle:

2445


If you go through your MLM career with blinders on..sooner or later you're going to get blind-sided.

I wonder if that is a self fulfilling prophecy, Lenny

Soapboxmom
02-26-2014, 07:45 PM
GoYoli (http://www.len.goyoli.com/)


The enroller's site you are trying to visit is not active at this time.


Oh, the humanity! Say it is not so! Clem Lemons / Len Clements has dropped Yoli like a hot potato. What is the world coming to? After all his bragging about Yoli dominating the market and being wildly successful our boy has dumped it and jumped ship yet again! If the MLM guru of all time can't unload the stuff, what chance do the little guys have? :shocked::pt:

Soapboxmom
02-26-2014, 09:17 PM
http://www.freestylesteam.com/images/truthfun.jpg



http://www.freestylesteam.com/images/fst.jpg








Home (http://www.freestylesteam.com/index.html)
Conference Calls (http://www.freestylesteam.com/calls.html)
Pre-Enrollment (http://www.freestylesteam.com/support.html)
FST News-Links (http://www.freestylesteam.com/comingsoon.html)




NOTICE!
THIS SITE WAS THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THE FREESTYLES TEAM WEBSITE BEFORE
A NEWER SITE WAS DEVELOPED. BOTH OF THESE SITES HAVE BEEN INACTIVE AND
NOT MAINTAINED FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW SINCE YOLI'S INTRODUCTION OF
THE GOYOLI.COM (http://www.LEN.GOYOLI.COM) DISTRIBUTOR WEBSITE PLATFORM.
THE ONLY REASON I'M LEAVING THIS SITE UP IS BECAUSE A SMALL BUT OBSESSIVE
CLIQUE OF ANONYMOUS INTERNET TROLLS, WHO CLAIMED AFTER YOLI'S LAUNCH IN
NOVEMBER OF 2009 THAT WE "WOULDN'R LAST 6 MONTHS", HAVE EXPLOITED THIS SITE'S
LACK OF DEVELOPMENT IN A DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO SUGGEST I AM NO LONGER ACTIVE
IN YOLI DUE TO ITS INEVITABLE DEMISE.
THEY ARE WRONG.
I AM STILL ACTIVE IN YOLI AND 100% COMMITTED TO IT.
FURTHERMORE, YOLI JUST CELEBRATED ITS ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY ON 11/9/10,
AND EXPERIENCED A 21% REVENUE INCREASE OVER THE PREVIOUS MONTH.

LEN CLEMENTS
LAS VEGAS, NV
800-203-0363
http://www.freestylesteam.com/images/lenclements.jpg

Hello and welcome to the FreeStylesTeam!!

This is Len Clements, founder of MarketWaveInc.com (http://www.marketwaveinc.com) and I am dedicated to providing support, training, guidance, and inspiration to my Yoli International organization. That's why I am building this site.

However... this site is under construction... a lot more will be added shortly.
Best regards,
Len Clements
Las Vegas, NV







Copyright © 2012 Len Clements. ALL WORLDWIDE RIGHTS RESERVED.









Clem has lied again. No! The reputation of the entire MLM community is totally down the commode! MLM guru extraordinaire Clemmy isn't plugging Yoli any longer and its traffic is almost non-existent:

Compete.com says:

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Goyoli.com

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Len Clements
03-01-2014, 01:47 AM
GoYoli (http://www.len.goyoli.com/)

Oh, the humanity! Say it is not so! Clem Lemons / Len Clements has dropped Yoli like a hot potato. What is the world coming to? After all his bragging about Yoli dominating the market and being wildly successful our boy has dumped it and jumped ship yet again! If the MLM guru of all time can't unload the stuff, what chance do the little guys have? :shocked::pt:

Yoli discontinued maintenance of GoYoli.com months ago.

http://1000007.yoli.com (http://1000007.yoli.com/my-story/)

How can you still be so horrible at this?

Soapboxmom
03-01-2014, 06:20 PM
Yoli discontinued maintenance of GoYoli.com months ago.

http://1000007.yoli.com (http://1000007.yoli.com/my-story/)

How can you still be so horrible at this?

The other web address for Yoli has very little traffic as well:

yoli.com



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Care to comment on this ludicrous prediction, Lenny?

I believe Yoli can realistically grab 10% market-share and when it does Yoli will be one of the largest companies in the MLM marketplace, of all time. And I honestly think 20% is conservative. And if you know me, you know I'm not prone to exaggeration and hype (in fact, I've been battling against it for over 19 years as founder & CEO of MarketWave, Inc.).


Alexa stats ( Rank: #307,241 )



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Lenny dear, do tell us about Yoli's wild success by sharing the market share Yoli has in the juice market and the total number of reps in the field. Let's hear about the awesome traffic stats for the Yoli sites. And, shouldn't the fantastic sales be reflected in said traffic stats? Is it safe to say your crystal ball is broken, Lenny dear?

Doc Bunkum
03-15-2014, 10:20 AM
Yoli discontinued maintenance of GoYoli.com months ago.

http://1000007.yoli.com (http://1000007.yoli.com/my-story/)

How can you still be so horrible at this?

Hey, Lenny, good ol' 007, how's it going?

If my memory serves me correctly, didn't Falter gift you that low position on the Yoli totem pole for some work you did promoting the Yoli "flopportunity"?

Neither here nor there, but I see Daniel Song is doing quite well with the business: "After just two weeks in Yoli, I qualified for an all-inclusive trip to Cancun, Mexico. Prior to Yoli, I had never even been out of the country!"

Maybe you should get a hold of Danny and get some pointers from him, Lenny. Seems he's done more in two weeks than you have since 2009. Just a friendly suggestion.

BTW, can we expect to see you on the Yoli March 1 - 6, 2014 - WESTERN CARIBBEAN CRUISE?

Doc Bunkum
03-15-2014, 12:44 PM
BTW, regarding that Yoli March 1 - 6, 2014 - WESTERN CARIBBEAN CRUISE I referred to....


YOLI DESTINATION INCENTIVE TRIP
5 DAYS ALL INCLUSIVE GETAWAY!
March 1 - 6, 2014 - WESTERN CARIBBEAN CRUISE
SOLD OUT

DISCLOSURE: THIS EVENT WILL SELL OUT IS SOLD OUT

How does a trip that's an incentive, that you have to qualify for, sell out?

Doc Bunkum
03-03-2015, 11:49 AM
marketwaveinc.com UVs for November 2012 | Compete (http://siteanalytics.compete.com/marketwaveinc.com/)

Lenny Clements is redefining the meaning of traffic plunging. 116 unique visitors??? At least here he could count on thousands of unique visitors to read his drivel!



http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg436/emperormaximus/MW_zpsbq4mqzv7.jpg

update....

laidback
03-03-2015, 12:58 PM
BTW, regarding that Yoli March 1 - 6, 2014 - WESTERN CARIBBEAN CRUISE I referred to....


YOLI DESTINATION INCENTIVE TRIP
5 DAYS ALL INCLUSIVE GETAWAY!
March 1 - 6, 2014 - WESTERN CARIBBEAN CRUISE
SOLD OUT

DISCLOSURE: THIS EVENT WILL SELL OUT IS SOLD OUT

How does a trip that's an incentive, that you have to qualify for, sell out?

That's easy! How many people can you get in a dinghy?

Luzer
03-04-2015, 05:43 PM
How I miss those long winded diatribes from Lenny as that windbag toots his own horn.




Len Clements
•Direct Sales & MLM career that spans 30 years
•Classified as an expert witness on MLM

Is that like a Las Vegas Hotel hiring a former cheater to help be a part of their videotape analysis team to catch cheaters?

Soapboxmom
06-16-2018, 08:35 AM
MarketWave, Inc.‏ @MWave1 (https://twitter.com/MWave1) May 28 (https://twitter.com/MWave1/status/1000981790163582976)




I let my lawn die, haven't washed my car in years, shower only about once a week, wash dishes once a month, do laundry quarterly, and only flush for #2. So when I see images like this of our water source here in Vegas, my conscience is as clear as my social calendar.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeQydsgW4AAgkRN.jpg



Clem Lemons has blown off saving MLM. Lenny has found his true calling......saving water!

Whip
06-16-2018, 09:37 AM
I'd say his social calendar being clear really isn't by choice. lol

ribshaw
06-16-2018, 10:29 AM
Lenny has found his true calling......saving water!

Maybe he's reached a tipping point?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0WUyscLrT8

H2O boy is this expensive!



retails for about $54 for a case of 24 16.9 fl. oz. bottles. For the average water drinker, Quixtar's Perfect Empowered Drinking Water will cost you $20 a day, $600 a month.
Perfect Water: Perfect Scam (http://www.mybesthealthportal.net/health/general-health-articles/perfect-water-scam.html)