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okosh
02-27-2011, 12:41 AM
Kirk Theakston is back and this time he wants members permission to scam them again :RpS_laugh:


Poll

Hello, members and friends of the autosurf/investment industry.




My name is Kirk, the past admin of sites known as gothicsurf.com, officalcashstop.com, PHROA, incomeportal.com and mygoldvault.

I have had much success with my sites.

Although mygoldvault.com did run into some problems after 3 years, when I myself was scammed and left with a hudge debit that I have been paying from my own pocket.

You'll find I am one of the most honest and transparent admins to ever graced the industry.
My sites run with true income, not by means of piggy back or peter pays paul (Ponzi schemes). I have sat here and watched scam admins take your money over and over throughout the years, and this truely makes me sick.

You got to know, these sites are a game. How can you possibly sustain such high roi as 144% after 12 days???

It's just not possible without some kind of crime, and usually it's the crime of theft of your money.

So I ask you this: Would you like to see me, an honest admin, come back to the industry, and reopen mygoldvault to offer members once again a chance to earn some real revenue generated money ?

Do a little searching and you'll see that, although I did have some issue with mygoldvault at the end, I still remain true to my word.
I admit I do still owe some money to some members. I still work away at paying them. I've made this debit much smaller with my own funds.

So google Kirk Theakston, or any of the sites I have listed above, and you decide.

Do you want an honest admin to come back ? and would you support him to your fullest ? or do you want to continue to be scammed by these admins most times repeat offenders of stealing your money just by different name ?

There is a poll below, just answer honestly !!!

I will check the stats and see what the majority wants. If you want to see me return I will set up and anounce a site ASAP as all details are worked out.


Kirk

You can contact me at
cyberspaceportal@hotmail.com
If you would like to ask me any questions about what I do.

mygoldvault(dot)com

TalkGold thread....
mgvworld - mgvworld.com - Page 19 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162827&page=19)

littleroundman
02-27-2011, 02:09 AM
Talk about a slam dunk
* It's Kirk Theakston http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif ('nuff said)
* He's run autosurfs before http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif(show us one, single, solitary "legit" autosurf)
* He says he's an "honest admin" http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (does Bill Gates need to call himself an "honest CEO"

* He advertises on Talkgold http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (along with which other legit. business)

* His nickname on Talkgold is "FuneralMaker" http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (that would be YOUR funeral, not his)

* He owes money from after ALL his previous programs failed http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (Once bitten....and all that)

* Even the mods on TG are telling him to honor his promise to refund previous losers http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif

* He feels the need to point out his program is NOT a ponzi http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (who else says that, besides ponzi operators)

* He claims to be "true to his word" http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif ( which word would that be, Kirk, ripoff merchant? thief? scammer? Certainly not "legitimate)


To top it all off, he goes on to ask:


Do you want an honest admin to come back ?

Why yes,

yes we do, Kirk.

Would you happen to know one ???

There may not be "proof" this isn't a legitimate business, but how many red flags does one need before deciding to keep your wallet in your back pocket.

Strictly for autosurf "players", this one.

WishfulThinking
02-27-2011, 02:09 PM
Not to mention that even TG have it under Closed Programs and Scam Warnings

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_xJhWwHaJ-hv49C84hwBYB3zAgQ3OW6kbxPT0MuV2-8tbLwfX

Found an even bigger one. Hah!

Whip
02-27-2011, 06:58 PM
I thought he was calling out joker jones in that post.

okosh
02-28-2011, 04:26 AM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_xJhWwHaJ-hv49C84hwBYB3zAgQ3OW6kbxPT0MuV2-8tbLwfX

Found an even bigger one. Hah!

Yea but your red flag don't flap around in the breeze like LRM's does :RpS_laugh:

baylee
03-01-2011, 09:37 PM
Talk about a slam dunk
* It's Kirk Theakston http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif ('nuff said)
* He's run autosurfs before http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif(show us one, single, solitary "legit" autosurf)
* He says he's an "honest admin" http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (does Bill Gates need to call himself an "honest CEO"

* He advertises on Talkgold http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (along with which other legit. business)

* His nickname on Talkgold is "FuneralMaker" http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (that would be YOUR funeral, not his)

* He owes money from after ALL his previous programs failed http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (Once bitten....and all that)

* Even the mods on TG are telling him to honor his promise to refund previous losers http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif

* He feels the need to point out his program is NOT a ponzi http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (who else says that, besides ponzi operators)

* He claims to be "true to his word" http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif ( which word would that be, Kirk, ripoff merchant? thief? scammer? Certainly not "legitimate)


To top it all off, he goes on to ask:



Why yes,

yes we do, Kirk.

Would you happen to know one ???

There may not be "proof" this isn't a legitimate business, but how many red flags does one need before deciding to keep your wallet in your back pocket.

Strictly for autosurf "players", this one.

Some scam buster I am, I just figured out who he is.:RpS_blushing:

A Life Aloft
03-01-2011, 09:53 PM
This is curious and interesting...........is this the same Kirk Theakston?

Kirk Theakston | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2351141/KirkTheakston/1.aspx)

and this is him posting on Talk Gold as Funeralmaker.....long thread but especially interesting on pages, 10, 11, 12, 13 and more....

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=292411&page=13

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=292411&page=14

and here he is again.....this gets more interesting by the moment

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Project-High-Roa-Phroa-t290440.html

A Life Aloft
03-01-2011, 11:04 PM
My, my, my.....I am getting quite the education......


mgvworld - mgvworld.com - Page 14 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162827&page=14)

Cashtanker - Cashtanker.com - Page 503 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258569&page=503)

littleroundman
03-01-2011, 11:28 PM
You might also find it interesting that young Kirk was also the "honest admin" of the now defunk Project-High-Roa-Phroa (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Project-High-Roa-Phroa-t290440.html&start=100&p=5821399#entry5821399) and his activities are discussed HERE (http://autosurfuniverse.wordpress.com/)

While HERE (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3739023&postcount=91) is a copy of an email where Kirky admits to "running" Accelerated Profits" supposedly on behalf of the notorious Matthew "MyCashForum" and HERE (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3739064&postcount=93) another poster claims Mr Theakston conveniently forgets to reveal he made "big bucks" from his involvement with Matthew MCF

A Life Aloft
03-01-2011, 11:34 PM
You might also find it interesting that young Kirk was also the "honest admin" of the now defunk Project-High-Roa-Phroa (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Project-High-Roa-Phroa-t290440.html&start=100&p=5821399#entry5821399) and his activities are discussed HERE (http://autosurfuniverse.wordpress.com/)

While HERE (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3739023&postcount=91) is a copy of an email where Kirky admits to "running" Accelerated Profits" supposedly on behalf of the notorious Matthew "MyCashForum" and HERE (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3739064&postcount=93) another poster claims Mr Theakston conveniently forgets to reveal he made "big bucks" from his involvement with Matthew MCFYes, I found 7 defunct sites that he was the admin of so far and defunct scams.........errr.......a....a......... programs.

What I am really finding the most interesting, is who his biggest and long time cheerleader is. The phrase "wolf in sheep's clothing", comes to mind.

Unsaved Trash
03-01-2011, 11:57 PM
Yes, I found 7 defunct sites that he was the admin of so far and defunct scams.........errr.......a....a......... programs.

What I am really finding the most interesting, is who his biggest and long time cheerleader is. The phrase "wolf in sheep's clothing", comes to mind.

What? You mean this cheerleader?


Kirk The Stone is my "Little Boy" I love him as much as anybody can love an Internet friend. He has survived the most horific ordeal. He has survived the slings and arrows of verbal abuse and been defrauded by more people than anybody could imagain. He is not here to tell tales he is here to introduce his new thriving, online business.Please welcome Kirk the Stone who is a rfugee from scam forums.

Or maybe this one?


Shut up for a minute. Please. "okosh."

There is far more to bring out before you try scaring Kirk and I would appreciate it as you have so much which you could contribute if you and all TG naysayers would contribute your thoughts to a very train of thought which I will try to introduce slowly, as it does require me to gather quite a lot of thoughts together and express them succinctly.

I begged Kirk not to open PROA. Let the dust settle until we know more from other countries PLEASE. His mate "cookie", the biggest Kent cheerleader of them all, had far more influence with Kirk than I did. "cookie" is clever. She is not a Sydney/Matt/Brookie style cyber bully.

There is a huge difference between asset stripping and scamming. I would like to trace David de Pace who ran a surf program, as he has spent most of his working life in American Government and he is one who undestands how asset strippers work. He is one who could define the difference between asset stripping and scamming and make it crystal clear to we laypeople. . Unfortunately "cookie" has worked her charms on David and he may believe her if she tells him to "shut up"

Or my favorite one?


Kirk needs a lifeline. Somebody posted that on ASA from where I have been banned for comments about "Terry The Banker."

Comment from ASA. made by sharkyshark
Kirk, is there absolutely no options avaialble to you with saving your auction site account?What would it entail and IS there anything that someone could possibly do to send you a life line?Perhaps if you outlined what it is that you need in order to get youself out of this mess and operating again then who knows, maybe someone might be able to help out. Unfortunately I do not have enough to help you Kirk. A real business person will.

Sharky.

My Reply.

What kirk needs is somebody with a shotgun to fire a few rounds to scatter the vultures which are waiting to feed on what he has left ie his good reputation. Anybody with an ounce of business acumen would lend him a measly $2.600 if he was not encircled by predators.

Makes you wanna go, "Huh?"

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 12:39 AM
That and an entire host of many other posts, made me do the same exact thing. That is the problem with the internet. People can pretend to be whatever they want to be. But sooner or later, the chickens come home to roost, and the truth is outed.

littleroundman
03-02-2011, 12:43 AM
Seems like Kirky isn't particularly worried about being tracked down:

He's in the scrap metal business as well:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/CleanHeader2.png

http://www.cleancountryscrap.com/]Clean Country Scrap Ontario website (http://www.cleancountryscrap.com/]Clean%20Country%20Scrap%20Ontario%20website)

cleancountryscrap.com

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/CleanCountryScrapwhois.jpg

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 01:02 AM
Clean Country Scrap Removal
"Hi I have been in the business over 20 years. You can be assured that you will receive the top dollar for your unwanted scrap or car.

I will pay you $250 plus for you unwanted junker, depending on the model. (aluminum rims and other Salvageable items will raise the value).I can move cars also if you require a tow on a flat bed.

I also remove yard waste and other unwanted Garbage for $50per load plus dump fees.I am a jack of all trades master of none, Also available for odd jobs Like roofing ,leak repair,eves, trough Cleaning and more."

Hmmmm.....he seems to have left out serial con artist out of his resume here. He cleans "eves"???? lol And people entrusted this idiot with their money?

littleroundman
03-02-2011, 01:13 AM
He cleans "eves"???? lol

Cleans eves' WHAT ???

And, I wonder how "Eve" feels about having a serial fraudster like Kirk cleaning hers.

okosh
03-02-2011, 01:21 AM
What? You mean this cheerleader?



Or maybe this one?



Or my favorite one?



Makes you wanna go, "Huh?"

Some "nay-sayes" have never been involved in any programs....Some have been in one program....Others have been in a host of programs b4 they woke up and realized what was really going on....

In my eyes it's where they are now that counts not where they were years ago :RpS_wink:

okosh
03-02-2011, 01:25 AM
Kirk contacted me and wants the opportunity to tell his side of the story and explain why he feels that I am wrong for publically calling him a scammer at TG....

With the current state of TG with the mods being out of control I have invited Kirk to hold the discussion here at RealScam...

I hope if he accepts my invitation that everyone here will keep the discussion civil :RpS_wink:

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 01:33 AM
Some "nay-sayes" have never been involved in any programs....Some have been in one program....Others have been in a host of programs b4 they woke up and realized what was really going on....

In my eyes it's where they are now that counts not where they were years ago :RpS_wink:As in "years".....you mean 9 months ago? Because my first link is from May the 23rd of last year.

littleroundman
03-02-2011, 01:39 AM
I think we all have to get used to the fact there's a whole sub strata of society out there which believes that HYIP and autosurf ponzi games are merely a legitimate, if illegal, form of "gambling"

In their minds, an "admin," HYIP or "autosurf" is only a scammer/scam if the particular game is stopped early and the "honest admin" keeps more of the proceeds than to which he/she is entitled.

Kirky is a prime example of a HYIP ponzi "playa" (i.e. behind the scenes admin/shill, as distinct from a "player" who merely participates) who claims he and his autosurfs are not "scams" in the sense he claims to abide by the mythical "rules" which govern the scene.

IOW, he claims to only keep expenses and a "fair" percentage of the members' money

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 01:47 AM
I think we all have to get used to the fact there's a whole sub strata of society out there which believes that HYIP and autosurf ponzi games are merely a legitimate, if illegal, form of "gambling"

In their minds, an "admin," HYIP or "autosurf" is only a scammer/scam if the particular game is stopped early and the "honest admin" keeps more of the proceeds than to which he/she is entitled.

Kirky is a prime example of a HYIP ponzi "playa" (i.e. behind the scenes admin/shill, as distinct from a "player" who merely participates) who claims he and his autosurfs are not "scams" in the sense he claims to abide by the mythical "rules" which govern the scene.

IOW, he claims to only keep expenses and a "fair" percentage of the members' money
Not to mention a huge promoter and supporter of these scams. I saw him all over many forums tonight and other places on the net during my little research foray promoting, explaining, posting the details, advertising several of these scams and inviting people to join them. Even cache searches on deleted materials is a wonderous thing. Dates from not that long ago and going back years. Also using a source engine that I favor, which searches all the major blog hosts and twitter was also very revealing. Very interesting reading. That wasn't all I saw that interested me either.

littleroundman
03-02-2011, 01:57 AM
Not to mention a huge promoter and supporter of these scams. I saw him all over many forums tonight and other places on the net during my little research foray promoting, explaining, posting the details, advertising several of these scams and inviting people to join them. Cache search on deleted materials is a wonderous thing. Dates from not that long ago and going back years. Very interesting reading. That wasn't all I saw that interested me either.

It's virtually impossible to distinguish between the "true believers" who genuinely are delusional and see absolutely no harm in having a little "punt" and the professional fraudsters whose very existence depends on their ability to successfully pretend to be a "true believer"

After all, this ain't TV where all the bad guys wear black hats.

In the real world, fraud is fraud is fraud, no matter how you dress it up.

okosh
03-02-2011, 01:58 AM
As in "years".....you mean 9 months ago? Because my first link is from May the 23rd of last year.

I didn't see any links...All I saw was quotes of posts with no date attatched :RpS_wink:

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 02:04 AM
I didn't see any links...All I saw was quotes of posts with no date attatched :RpS_wink:What are you talking about? Look at my first two posts on here tonight. 4 links in the first post and 2 links in the second. lmao Unsaved merely pulled out some of the juicy tidbits from some of the links that I posted. That is why I clearly stated: "Because my first link is from May the 23rd of last year."

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 02:06 AM
In the real world, fraud is fraud is fraud, no matter how you dress it up.Amen!!!! And one has to also question those who support such scammers and such fraud. I also love it when conmen pull the victim card out and the oh pity me b.s. as if they are innocent.

path2prosperity
03-02-2011, 04:00 AM
Kirk contacted me and wants the opportunity to tell his side of the story and explain why he feels that I am wrong for publically calling him a scammer at TG....

With the current state of TG with the mods being out of control I have invited Kirk to hold the discussion here at RealScam...

I hope if he accepts my invitation that everyone here will keep the discussion civil :RpS_wink:

I believed in Kirk for a long, long time. Kirk used to speak to me by SKYPE almost every day when he adopted two of Kent Black's mods (Mathew Nunn and Sydney) to help him get an autosurf based on income from his recycling business off the ground. I begged him to drop those two scum bags but he really believed they were victims and he fought tooth and nail to save them from assassination in cyberspace.

Kirk has a story to tell. I heard enough to know that he needed a safe haven to tell that story and I encouraged him to join Adlandpro as I had just returned to that community in the sincere belief that it was what it was, when I had been a member before I had left after a three year abscence.

Matt and Sydney had taken him for everything he had and I believed that his only chance was to come clean. Unfortunately Kirk did not come clean. He continued to protect both Mutt and Sydney so I dropped his cause. I knew that he had committed cyberspace suicide when he joined forces with "cookie keener" and opened "project high roi." That destroyed any credibility that he had ever had in my eyes.

I begged Kirk to team up with Jessi (mystical) from TG who may be able to help him shed some light on "cookie" and her Kent Black following. If Kirk will start telling the truth here we may be able to unravel a lot of the facts. Mutt is toast. Sydney appears to have vanished into thin air but Jessi and Kirk could find her with help. "cookie" has some contol over Kirk and if he is to tell his story, he needs "cookie" to come here and help him.

My affection for Kirk was genuine and I will back his story up if he stops trying to feign ignorance.

littleroundman
03-02-2011, 06:16 AM
For goodness' sakes, Judy, get a grip, girl.

All this "poor Kirk" B/S you're spreading around is sickening.

I'm beginning to think you really ARE delusional or a HYIP shill in disguise.

There IS no legitimate autosurf and never has been.

There is NO SUCH THING as a legitimate HYIP

It's ALL illegal and it's ALL fraud.

For chrissakes, woman, wake up.

None of it is nice, respectable, God fearing folk having a punt, as you like to portray the "scene"

You might as well be out there telling people Tony Soprano is a loving father and his crew are just a bunch of misunderstood practical jokers.

Ignorance is one thing, but deliberate and willful ignorance in the face of overwhelming evidence is a whole different ball game.

path2prosperity
03-02-2011, 10:57 AM
For goodness' sakes, Judy, get a grip, girl.

All this "poor Kirk" B/S you're spreading around is sickening.

I'm beginning to think you really ARE delusional or a HYIP shill in disguise.

There IS no legitimate autosurf and never has been.

There is NO SUCH THING as a legitimate HYIP

It's ALL illegal and it's ALL fraud.

For chrissakes, woman, wake up.

None of it is nice, respectable, God fearing folk having a punt, as you like to portray the "scene"

You might as well be out there telling people Tony Soprano is a loving father and his crew are just a bunch of misunderstood practical jokers.

Ignorance is one thing, but deliberate and willful ignorance in the face of overwhelming evidence is a whole different ball game.

I am very well aware of all the points that you have made LRM but support for autosurfs was not my intention. My intention was to say that I had given Kirk my fulll hearted support before people realised that money games were not games. Many of we naysayers had played the game for a PUNT before we learned the truth and became naysayers.

I believe that Kirk came unstuck when he employed Matt and Sydney and I told him so almost every day as we used to SKYPE each other regularly. If he would tell the truth and stop trying to protect these two along with "cookie keener" and a mystery man "andrew" whom I believe was non other than "Terry the W-A-N-K-E-R, he could do himself a great deal of good.

I gave Kirk an ultimatum on April 30th 2008. It is a date which I remember clearly as I had a flood of rew sewage into my kitchen on the same day. I told Kirk, that if he would not come clean and admit that Nickers Smirnow was nothing but a con artist, he would loose my support. Kirk took a stand against Nickers on April 30th 2008 but something changed and Kirk got drawn into much deeper shitte.

Come on Kirk. You have the chance to tell us what happened. Why on earth did you speak out against Smirnow on April 30th 2008 and then suggest that Smirnow's fake CEO Paul may have a point of view. You know that there was no such person as Paul. How much did Terry The ****** pay you to make out that Paul existed?

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 11:38 AM
My intention was to say that I had given Kirk my fulll hearted support before people realised that money games were not games.

I gave Kirk an ultimatum on April 30th 2008. It is a date which I remember clearly as I had a flood of rew sewage into my kitchen on the same day. I told Kirk, that if he would not come clean and admit that Nickers Smirnow was nothing but a con artist, he would loose my support. Kirk took a stand against Nickers on April 30th 2008 but something changed and Kirk got drawn into much deeper shitte.



Judy 5/23/2010 4:26:12 PM

"Kirk The Stone is my "Little Boy" I love him as much as anybody can love an Internet friend. He has survived the most horific ordeal. He has survived the slings and arrows of verbal abuse and been defrauded by more people than anybody could imagain. He is not here to tell tales he is here to introduce his new thriving, online business.Please welcome Kirk the Stone who is a rfugee from scam forums."
Judy Hortin Online business scams &, predators in a cyberspace jungle. (http://path2prosperity.com) path2prosperity.co.uk (http://path2prosperity.co.uk/blog)


Kirk Theakston 5/23/2010 8:59:18 PM

"Thanks Judy For always having something nice to say about me. You are a true friend. I have updated my profile so others may see who i am:)"

Judy 5/24/2010 8:02:10 PM

"Hi Kirk, You are an astute business man and I admired your vision, I became very fond of you because of your kindness and generosity but we shared the same sense of humour and had fun in the forums. I hope we can rekindle that rlationship here."

http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2351141/KirkTheakston/1.aspx

path2prosperity
03-02-2011, 12:04 PM
Judy 5/23/2010 4:26:12 PM

"Kirk The Stone is my "Little Boy" I love him as much as anybody can love an Internet friend. He has survived the most horific ordeal. He has survived the slings and arrows of verbal abuse and been defrauded by more people than anybody could imagain. He is not here to tell tales he is here to introduce his new thriving, online business.Please welcome Kirk the Stone who is a refugee from scam forums."
Judy Hortin Online business scams &, predators in a cyberspace jungle. (http://path2prosperity.com) path2prosperity.co.uk (http://path2prosperity.co.uk/blog)




Kirk Theakston 5/23/2010 8:59:18 PM

"Thanks Judy For always having something nice to say about me. You are a true friend. I have updated my profile so others may see who i am:)"

Judy 5/24/2010 8:02:10 PM

"Hi Kirk, You are an astute business man and I admired your vision, I became very fond of you because of your kindness and generosity but we shared the same sense of humour and had fun in the forums. I hope we can rekindle that rlationship here."

Kirk Theakston | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2351141/KirkTheakston/1.aspx)

I gave Kirk my support and I have never tried to deny it. I tried to get him to tell the truth in a community which I thought would give him a fair hearing.

I have discovered that Adlandpro is corrupt to the core and I am delighted that members here are looking for evidence in that cesspit.

Let is hope that more people start searching Adlandpro to dig up dirt.

Kirk has the chance to tell his side of the story here as "okosh" suggested that he did. If Kirk wants to speak out, he has a chance. I know the Kirk story very well indeed. I know when he has stated the same thing over and over again and I know when he has tried to prevaricate. He can not hide the truth and he will land himself in real trouble if he does not come clean now.

Who was Andrew Kirk?

kirklin
03-02-2011, 06:32 PM
Hello okosh and members of realscam forum

well i wish i could say its nice to be here but it looks like i am entering a place where i am definitely not liked much. Seems like you people got quite the roast going on here and i am the main coarse. This is the kind of things i never wanted to read about me. Looks like i am hung by judge and jury here. I will try my best to fix this with my side of the story but it looks like a lost cause. I will still try. I will start with the first post and work my way to the last to see what i can say in my defense not that it will do much the damage is done by the reading i have done so far. Well here i go back to the first post to see what can be done.

kirklin
03-02-2011, 06:34 PM
Kirk Theakston is back and this time he wants members permission to scam them again :RpS_laugh:



mygoldvault(dot)com

TalkGold thread....
mgvworld - mgvworld.com - Page 19 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162827&page=19)

not much to reply to here except i am not back as i have never left. I only wanted to see if the members of the industry wanted a real chance to earn without fear of being scammed.

path2prosperity
03-02-2011, 06:44 PM
Just tell us the truth Kirk. You worked on your own as you believed that you could create an autosurf for niche markets but you suddenly announced that you had employed Sydney and Matt.

Where is Sydney? People here will help you find that POS.

kirklin
03-02-2011, 06:50 PM
[QUOTE=littleroundman;6762]Talk about a slam dunk
* It's Kirk Theakston http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif ('nuff said)

yes this is my real name

* He's run autosurfs before http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif(show us one, single, solitary "legit" autosurf)

yes i have run auto surfs


* He says he's an "honest admin" http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (does Bill Gates need to call himself an "honest CEO"

yes i conciser myself an honest admin and so do alot of others.

* He advertises on Talkgold http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (along with which other legit. business)


no my main goal at Talk Gold is not to advertise. Seems to be the only forum(now here to) that i have to defend my name.

* His nickname on Talkgold is "FuneralMaker" http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (that would be YOUR funeral, not his)

Funeralmaker was a bad choice yes. It was a nick name i used when i played Americas army online war game. Just stuck with me cause it was easy to remember and was meant to intimidate opponents not members. I have received flak over the years for it an started to change to kirklin but some places it cant be changed.

* He owes money from after ALL his previous programs failed http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (Once bitten....and all that)

yes i still owe some moneys to past members but most still talk with me via messengers and emails and when i have the funds i send them to them.

* Even the mods on TG are telling him to honor his promise to refund previous losers http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif

Talk Gold mods and forum really dont have much pull with me

* He feels the need to point out his program is NOT a ponzi http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif (who else says that, besides ponzi operators)

I never intended to run any ponzi and the closest to that was PHROA but as stated in the site terms it was only a game run by an "honest admin"

* He claims to be "true to his word" http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif ( which word would that be, Kirk, ripoff merchant? thief? scammer? Certainly not "legitimate)


I still claim to be true to my word and there are many out there who also say the same thing about me.(it is not what you have listed above.)

kirklin
03-02-2011, 07:03 PM
Just tell us the truth Kirk. You worked on your own as you believed that you could create an autosurf for niche markets but you suddenly announced that you had employed Sydney and Matt.

Where is Sydney? People here will help you find that POS.

well i was still at the beginning but i will answer this. Yes i had tried to make a different type of auto surf with real income and was doing well with mygoldvault for several years until my demise. My first problem started with john of miyi hosting, my first partner to go sour and take a little more than what was his .After, I met Sydney. She begged for a job with as she was done with mycashforum.(Kent,Terry, and p2p were not paying her) I did finally give her a job as a seller of the auction items i was buying and selling on eBay and privately here at home. She soon after decided also she deserved more of the pot and that is when my real issues started. I was fighting a down hill battle with my last seller cookie. Things never got back to the way they were and i was forced to close. So were is Sydney now. I assume still living in the house Kent bought her with the moneys from his site. I would ask Matt though he knows for sure as he has visited her himself. they life close together. As for Matt he was hired to moderate the forum i had income portal.

kirklin
03-02-2011, 07:07 PM
Some scam buster I am, I just figured out who he is.:RpS_blushing:

I think you may still be a bit confused as to who i am, we have talked on many occasions. I had set up a mock version of mycrap forums with 1 of the database back ups i have. it would be still up but i felt i was going to far with the invasion of privacy as i have everything right down to private messages back and forth between mods and members. Not to mention alot of the deleted posts. Remember now!!!

kirklin
03-02-2011, 07:13 PM
This is curious and interesting...........is this the same Kirk Theakston?

Kirk Theakston | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2351141/KirkTheakston/1.aspx)

and this is him posting on Talk Gold as Funeralmaker.....long thread but especially interesting on pages, 10, 11, 12, 13 and more....

MCForum deletes posts - Page 13 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=292411&page=13)

MCForum deletes posts - Page 14 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=292411&page=14)

Yes this was fun for a bit i guess but i feel it got carried away.


and here he is again.....this gets more interesting by the moment

Project High Roa - Phroa.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Project-High-Roa-Phroa-t290440.html)

Very bad idea i admit. This wasn't totally my idea and i wasn't totally on board. it was meant to be one of the best game sites run by an "honest admin". The site was to complicated as you can see by the second post and there was not enough interest so i closed it.

kirklin
03-02-2011, 07:19 PM
My, my, my.....I am getting quite the education......


mgvworld - mgvworld.com - Page 14 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162827&page=14)

Cashtanker - Cashtanker.com - Page 503 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258569&page=503)

I see here you only read the bad parts what about all the good before and after with members posting they had been paid cash, silver or electronics from my liquidations???? cashtanker is another story i will get to in due time.

kirklin
03-02-2011, 07:41 PM
While HERE (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3739023&postcount=91) is a copy of an email where Kirky admits to "running" Accelerated Profits" supposedly on behalf of the notorious Matthew "MyCashForum" and HERE (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3739064&postcount=93) another poster claims Mr Theakston conveniently forgets to reveal he made "big bucks" from his involvement with Matthew MCF


Yes the Matt story. I did run accelerated profits with matt till it was closed. It all started with the forum.(Mycashforum) Matt was working for Terry the banker who owned the forum at the time. I was helping Matt after he was reinstated and left my forum. Matt is not very bright and could not do the simplest tasks even his sig at the forum so was there to help.After a bit matt expressed to me the desire to take the forum away from terry and since I had control of the server it was on i granted his wish.I got him to buy the domain name mycashforums with the s , purchase a license for the script and i took it away from terry. this was the beginning of Matt and I as partners. soon after that he said i want to show Terry and Sydney that i am not stupid and can run an auto surf. He asked me to help set it up so i did. He had no real way to generate income accept with forum advertising funds. i told him why bother the forum makes lots you have nothing to prove but he wanted this like a child wants a sucker. I told him i would help with the buying or items as i always did and he would have to follow a plan. As the site grew the roi was supposed to go down to a sustainable and reachable amount so i could cover it with sales and the forum money would still be ours. The first email goes out about he roi dropping and a few stupid members complained so he put it right back up. Gave away a lot of free upgrades and prizes in the way of the stock we had purchased. At least to the real members when he wasn't faking the winners of contests and such. Things started getting weird he wanted more of the money back than what was coming in at my end. I kept telling him we need to buy more stock cant just sit and wait till the first stuff sold, Like my famous ex. Walmart doesn't just buy one load and sit on it till it sells it an on going thing he couldn't understand. so i told him to close. we began to do some refunds with money we were generating at mycashforums till i sold mygoldvault and income-portal to pay the members off(that's where mgvworld came into house the left over members and there owing) So i paid those members not Matt yet he lives off the glory every day even now with his new site. here is the attached email from the cash tanker contact when he bought the forum. It all started when he wanted to buy mycashforums but wasn't willing to pay 50 000 as Matt had told him.

i can forward all emails to okosh so that it can be verified as real not doctored by me as it will be said.

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From: Sam Serino (serino@cashtanker.com)
Sent: August 23, 2009 12:55:02 PM
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Hi kirk,

Yes I am interested, do you accept StrictPay as a payment? My offer is
3000 USD.

What other projects you might have to sell?
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Sam Serino - Happy Investing!!!
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> Hello Cashtanker Admin

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> I am the owner and admin of http://income-portal.com and many
> others lol. I have heard from my partner Matt you are in the market
> for a forum. I would be willing to sell mine as i have so much other
> work going on there is little time for me to run it all. If you are
> truely intrested please contact me and we will talk.

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kirklin
03-02-2011, 08:01 PM
I will continue to respond in about and hour i have to go pick up my girlfriend from work. Dont be nasty while i am gone. Please

path2prosperity
03-02-2011, 08:49 PM
I will continue to respond in about and hour i have to go pick up my girlfriend from work. Dont be nasty while i am gone. Please

A lot of people are aware that neversay and his scripts are dubious. If he was the start of your troubles, you will have to find him and you will have to find Sydney. People here will help you find them, if you do not try to evade the issues.

kirklin
03-02-2011, 09:47 PM
A lot of people are aware that neversay and his scripts are dubious. If he was the start of your troubles, you will have to find him and you will have to find Sydney. People here will help you find them, if you do not try to evade the issues.


what does Neversay have to do with this. I have never used his scripts nor would i. It was johns script the miyi surf script and he does not know Sydney.

Unsaved Trash
03-02-2011, 09:52 PM
Dont be nasty while i am gone. Please

OK, I see that you're back so I guess I can be nasty now. I have one question for you at present. What have you done to right the wrongs you did to everyone involved in your failures? You know, the ones that got screwed by you?

kirklin
03-02-2011, 09:53 PM
Yes, I found 7 defunct sites that he was the admin of so far and defunct scams.........errr.......a....a......... programs.

What I am really finding the most interesting, is who his biggest and long time cheerleader is. The phrase "wolf in sheep's clothing", comes to mind.

I dont know where you get 7 from. there was 1. gothicsurf it paid out. 2. officalcash stop was more just a staging area for the site that became 3. mygoldvault. 4.PHROA witch i closed due to no interest in such a complicated program.Accelerated profits where i was only there to generate funds. Matt was the owner and admin and totally controlled the site... Income-portal was a forum...

kirklin
03-02-2011, 09:56 PM
OK, I see that you're back so I guess I can be nasty now. I have one question for you at present. What have you done to right the wrongs you did to everyone involved in your failures? You know, the ones that got screwed by you?

what ones that got screwed by me there a lot of people who have made money with me it is unfortunate that some joined after the problems started to have some issues. But as i said before i still to this day pay people who are NOT in profit with me. And if for some reason you are saying you got screwed let me know your membership number and i will make it right.

kirklin
03-02-2011, 10:00 PM
Seems like Kirky isn't particularly worried about being tracked down:

He's in the scrap metal business as well:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/CleanHeader2.png

http://www.cleancountryscrap.com/]Clean Country Scrap Ontario website (http://www.cleancountryscrap.com/]Clean%20Country%20Scrap%20Ontario%20website)

cleancountryscrap.com

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/CleanCountryScrapwhois.jpg

Right i am not worried about being tracked i am not hiding any info and i am totally transparent. Give me a call i will verify i am me you have the number and so does every body else. i only want to help people i watched every day people on pensions and disability and what not cry in the forums they were scammed i only wanted to help those people. if it is not wanted then i wont try to do it but i just thought if i at least tried maybe the industry would change.

Unsaved Trash
03-02-2011, 10:01 PM
what ones that got screwed by me there a lot of people who have made money with me it is unfortunate that some joined after the problems started to have some issues. But as i said before i still to this day pay people who are NOT in profit with me. And if for some reason you are saying you got screwed let me know your membership number and i will make it right.

How are you paying those people back? With what method are you obtaining the means to do so? And rest assured, I have never been in an MLM, ponzi, autosurf, or any other web related money making scam or anything else. I may be a half-wit, but I'm twice as smart as those folks.

kirklin
03-02-2011, 10:02 PM
Clean Country Scrap Removal
"Hi I have been in the business over 20 years. You can be assured that you will receive the top dollar for your unwanted scrap or car.

I will pay you $250 plus for you unwanted junker, depending on the model. (aluminum rims and other Salvageable items will raise the value).I can move cars also if you require a tow on a flat bed.

I also remove yard waste and other unwanted Garbage for $50per load plus dump fees.I am a jack of all trades master of none, Also available for odd jobs Like roofing ,leak repair,eves, trough Cleaning and more."

Hmmmm.....he seems to have left out serial con artist out of his resume here. He cleans "eves"???? lol And people entrusted this idiot with their money?

Funny little joke i wish eves whould let me in its been awhile lol.

kirklin
03-02-2011, 10:08 PM
How are you paying those people back? With what method are you obtaining the means to do so? And rest assured, I have never been in an MLM, ponzi, autosurf, or any other web related money making scam or anything else. I may be a half-wit, but I'm twice as smart as those folks.

Glad to hear you haven't fallen prey to these scams. I obtain moneys from my business as listed here plus i still have $1000s worth of stock i purchased with Matt and with other money. I paid out the members at his site so the stock is mine and every yard sale or sale on kijiji.com brings money that i pay to people as i go. Don't worry another post or two and i will show the proof of the buys and the company licenses and anything else to prove its all real. To bad some of my past members that seen the proof are not here in my defense.

kirklin
03-02-2011, 10:16 PM
I think we all have to get used to the fact there's a whole sub strata of society out there which believes that HYIP and autosurf ponzi games are merely a legitimate, if illegal, form of "gambling"

In their minds, an "admin," HYIP or "autosurf" is only a scammer/scam if the particular game is stopped early and the "honest admin" keeps more of the proceeds than to which he/she is entitled.

Kirky is a prime example of a HYIP ponzi "playa" (i.e. behind the scenes admin/shill, as distinct from a "player" who merely participates) who claims he and his autosurfs are not "scams" in the sense he claims to abide by the mythical "rules" which govern the scene.

IOW, he claims to only keep expenses and a "fair" percentage of the members' money

I don't claim to take any money i have lost alot of money here still paying even after the site was done. Show me some other admins still around that pay up. I always tried to make my site different by not allowing hypes and ponzis advertised on my site.( I do admit though in the past i did join some of these sites and was burnt like everyone else.) I didn't make people surf as it wasn't a surf it was only there if they wanted it.Like i keep saying i was tring to make my site different and real income based no Peter pays Paul like every other site out there.

kirklin
03-02-2011, 10:19 PM
Not to mention a huge promoter and supporter of these scams. I saw him all over many forums tonight and other places on the net during my little research foray promoting, explaining, posting the details, advertising several of these scams and inviting people to join them. Even cache searches on deleted materials is a wonderous thing. Dates from not that long ago and going back years. Also using a source engine that I favor, which searches all the major blog hosts and twitter was also very revealing. Very interesting reading. That wasn't all I saw that interested me either.

I seem a little lost here are you saying you seen me promoting these sites. Not me only ever did that a few times in the past then when the site goes down i feel guilty that i brought anyone in. I stopped that along time ago. I only promote myself by myself.

okosh
03-02-2011, 10:19 PM
Hello okosh and members of realscam forum

well i wish i could say its nice to be here but it looks like i am entering a place where i am definitely not liked much. Seems like you people got quite the roast going on here and i am the main coarse. This is the kind of things i never wanted to read about me. Looks like i am hung by judge and jury here. I will try my best to fix this with my side of the story but it looks like a lost cause. I will still try. I will start with the first post and work my way to the last to see what i can say in my defense not that it will do much the damage is done by the reading i have done so far. Well here i go back to the first post to see what can be done.

G'day Kirk and welcome :RpS_smile:

okosh
03-02-2011, 10:28 PM
I believe that Kirk came unstuck when he employed Matt and Sydney and I told him so almost every day as we used to SKYPE each other regularly. If he would tell the truth and stop trying to protect these two along with "cookie keener" and a mystery man "andrew" whom I believe was non other than "Terry the W-A-N-K-E-R, he could do himself a great deal of good.


Kirk became unstuck when he thought that the 2nd failed site he started would end any different to the first....And when he thought that the 3rd failed site would be any different to the first 2....
And so on till the 7th failed site that ended just like the first 6 :RpS_wink:


Come on Kirk. You have the chance to tell us what happened. Why on earth did you speak out against Smirnow on April 30th 2008 and then suggest that Smirnow's fake CEO Paul may have a point of view. You know that there was no such person as Paul. How much did Terry The ****** pay you to make out that Paul existed?

Any info Kirk can provide on Terry the ****** or Mutt or Nick Smirnow or Kent Black or Bobby Krimm or Jake "the snake" Amadee or whoever will all be interesting reading and proof of what I have known all along that an "Oval Office" exists within the scam industry....
Members of the "oval Office"(some named above) are the ones with the inside info on many of the scams....They use the info to line their pockets with the money from the dumb shmucks who post "I got paid" at TG and MMG....

In other words they play with an unfair advantage over regular players.....

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 10:29 PM
For goodness' sakes, Judy, get a grip, girl.

All this "poor Kirk" B/S you're spreading around is sickening.

I'm beginning to think you really ARE delusional or a HYIP shill in disguise.

There IS no legitimate autosurf and never has been.

There is NO SUCH THING as a legitimate HYIP

It's ALL illegal and it's ALL fraud.

For chrissakes, woman, wake up.

None of it is nice, respectable, God fearing folk having a punt, as you like to portray the "scene"

You might as well be out there telling people Tony Soprano is a loving father and his crew are just a bunch of misunderstood practical jokers.

Ignorance is one thing, but deliberate and willful ignorance in the face of overwhelming evidence is a whole different ball game.What is worse and apparent now, is the lack of a conscience, morals, and ethics. Why would anyone who possesses these traits go into the "business" of running and promtting such immoral scams in the first place? What the hell is wrong with people? It never dawns on them after the x number of scams and con games to stop? No, they just keep on going as long as they can make a dubious buck and screw the participants.

Then when their feet are finally held to the fire, all you see is finger pointing, blaming partners and others. But this happened, and everything was going along fine til such and such happened, and I didn't know such and such and more. Bullshit! NO accountability, NO responsibility and NO remorse whatsoever for all the thousands of people who were ripped off and all the damage that has been done to their lives.

I am so happy to see a scammer finally get ripped off themselves from another scammer!!! That's Karma baby!!! Get a damn job. Earn an honest living. Have an honest business. Is that too much to ask? Contribute to society and benefit it instead of spending your life trying to figure out how to cheat and steal from others!

What is even more reprehensible is CashTanker was promoted under the veil of being a "Christian" program! How damn low can a person sink when they use religion as a way to bilk people? Using Jesus and God to scam people! That's just wonderful! Ponzi city! You can put a dress, a wig and all the lipstick you want to on a pig, but in the end it's still a damn pig!

This b.s. is just so pathetic. Grow a pair and do the right thing for once in your life and live like an honest man! I am up to here with the whining, the excuses and the pity party. Three year olds do a better job of covering their butts when they are caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

"So I ask you this: Would you like to see me, an honest admin, come back to the industry, and reopen mygoldvault to offer members once again a chance to earn some real revenue generated money?"

The above statement by you, is the ONLY real reason that you are here, because you still want to continue in your immoral ripoffs and scams and you think you can clear your name? Good luck with that, pal. How stupid do you think people are? Sadly there are some who will trust you and again get screwed. Are you just addicted and so twisted that you cannot help yourself from engineering these scams or what? If that is the case, get some professional help. Just how greedy are you? And don't feed us any b.s. about wanting to help others tripe. If you truly want to help others, (and not to their pocketbooks, for a change) donate your time and honestly earned money to legit orangizations and charities. I'll be glad to list a hundred of them for you.

You have no business playing and screwing around with anyone's life or their money! Where on earth did you get the idea that you ever did? Your behavior is just beyond shameful and disgusting!

littleroundman
03-02-2011, 10:29 PM
So far, Kirk, we've seen you:

a) lay blame
b) justify
c) rationalize

the fact you've actively promoted, participated in, profited from a series of highly illegal and immoral frauds.

What we HAVEN'T seen is you accepting responsibility for the fact you have done so willingly and intentionally.

No matter how you cut it and no matter how you attempt to turn it into some sort of bad soap opera, autosurfs and HYIPs are both illegal and unsustainable.

What's even worse, for all the "Days of Our Lives" drivel you spout, you're doing it again.

Get it straight, "autosurfs" don't work.

You simply CANNOT run an "autosurf" in which people don't lose money.

And, you simply CANNOT prevent the disabled and fixed income people you claim to be "helping" from losing money.

You have NO WAY of separating the players from the genuine believers.

All the rest of the stuff and nonsense you're spouting is complete and utter crap.

What you did and continue to do is illegal, immoral and criminal.

The fact you even ATTEMPT to use disabled and fixed income victims to justify your actions makes it even more reprehensible.

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 10:38 PM
From the always astute, always spot on and brilliant, Mr. Patrick Pretty:

EDITORIAL: ASD By The Numbers: Why America And The World Should Be Shocked — And Why Serial Autosurf And HYIP Promoters Should Be Prosecuted (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2011/01/13/editorial-asd-by-the-numbers-why-america-and-the-world-should-be-shocked-and-why-serial-autosurf-and-hyip-promoters-should-be-prosecuted/)

ASD By The Numbers: Why America And The World Should Be Shocked — And Why Serial Autosurf And HYIP Promoters Should Be Prosecuted

UPDATED 12:04 P.M. ET (U.S.A.) "In court filings this week in the AdSurfDaily autosurf Ponzi scheme case, federal prosecutors in the District of Columbia revealed a series of jaw-dropping numbers. The biggest of these is 500,000 — the number of pages of emails gleaned so far in the investigation, which began in July 2008.

Because prosecutors put the qualifier “at least” on the already-staggering number, it is clear the number actually could increase. Each of the pages is subject to the discovery process, meaning that attorneys from both sides and perhaps the court itself faces the monumental challenge of sifting through at least half a million pages of scheme-related correspondence.

Other big numbers in the alleged $110 million ASD Ponzi include 100,000, the number of pages of bank records, and 5,000, the number of pages of documents that emerged after the U.S. Secret Service searched ASD’s office in Quincy, Fla., and the home of company president Andy Bowdoin.

To date, investigators have identified 40,000 potential ASD victims. This number also could grow because there is reason to believe that “there may be members who provided funds to ASD but whose information ASD did not enter into its database,” according to prosecutors.

ASD’s database included information on 97,000 members. Some participants have claimed ASD actually had 120,000 members. Regardless of the final number that emerges, ASD created victims by the tens of thousands, including victims who do not live in the United States, prosecutors said.

The import — and the danger of these numbers — is that ASD is only one autosurf. There may be hundreds if not thousands of autosurfs operating in the world at any one time, along with hundreds or thousands of HYIPs. Like other autosurfs and HYIPs, ASD was promoted on Ponzi forums such as TalkGold, MoneyMakerGroup and ASA Monitor. The Ponzi pitchmen love American money, and commission-grubbing American salespeople and serial promoters who play dumb to line their pockets at the expense of their fellow countrymen specialize in spreading the misery globally.

In May, the PP Blog reported on criminal charges filed against Nicholas Smirnow, the alleged operator of the Pathway to Prosperity (P2P) Ponzi and HYIP scheme. The numbers that have emerged from that alleged scheme are equally stunning: $70 million fleeced from 40,000 victims in 120 countries from “all of the permanently inhabited continents of the world,” according to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service.

The criminal complaint filed against Smirnow specifically references the TalkGold, MoneyMakerGroup and ASA Monitor Ponzi forums — the same forums from which ASD and countless other schemes have been promoted.

Legisi, yet another alleged scheme pitched at the forums, also produced some big numbers. Among them are $72.6 million fleeced from at least 3,000 victims. Matthew Gagnon, one Legisi pitchman, netted $3.8 million alone from the scheme, according to the SEC.

So, in just the three alleged schemes referenced in this column — ASD, P2P and Legisi — the numbers shape up like this: at least $252.6 million gathered from at least 83,000 victims. If the P2P and Legisi cases are shaping up like the ASD case from the standpoint of paper production, investigators, attorneys from both sides and the courts may have to go through more than a million pages of documents and corresponding bank records to make sense of it all.

Meanwhile, the wink-nod, serial promoters continue to ply their trade on the Ponzi boards — all while the U.S. and world economies are trying to navigate the choppiest waters since the Great Depression. While the serial promoters are lining their pockets at the expense of Moms and Pops from virtually every corner of the earth, they are anticipating the danger signs consistent with the implosion of their currently favorite Ponzi — and they are preparing their next round of lies to protect their illicit profit pipeline and explain away the problems that inevitably will emerge.

Some of the professional criminals will tell their marks that it is their duty to be patient when Ponzi payments slow down. They’ll add that problems affect all enterprises regardless of size, and that it’s not unusual for payment bottlenecks to occur. They’ll explain that it likely is a problem with software or the need to acquire a new server to accommodate traffic. After all, they’ll say, “growing pains” are something to celebrate because they signal the success of the enterprise.

And the serial criminals also will talk about a doubting recruit’s duty to be loyal to the enterprise. After all, they’ll explain, the company is doing the right thing by acquiring the equipment and manpower needed to streamline operations and thus return to a normal payout schedule.

While the professional Ponzi criminals are explaining all of this, investors will become further separated from their money before the final round of excuse-making begins. Investors will be cautioned not to contact the authorities and told not to contact the payment processors. After all, the serial pitchmen will explain, if the authorities seize the cash or if the payment processors freeze the accounts, no one will get paid.

When the scheme ultimately collapses, some of the serial criminals will shrug their shoulders and feign surprise. They’ll explain why they had every reason to believe that this one was different, that they’d been assured by the Christian operator it was different. No matter, they’ll say, perhaps positioning themselves as people of faith. Recruits who invested more than they could afford to lose have only themselves to blame, they’ll claim. (This is if they call it “investing” at all; many serial criminals avoid that word like the plague. After all of these years and all of this Bible-thumping, they still apparently believe that it’s possible to skirt securities laws by avoiding the word “investment” and calling it something else.)

Then they’ll unapologetically move on to the next scam. After all, they’ll explain, they have a right to make a living. Some of them will explain that the government, which refuses to see the beauty of the autosurf and HYIP models, is to blame. Along the way they’ll create some clone promoters, and the clones will multiply. The clones will add to the purported, pro-Bible (and antigovernment chorus) — and before long, investigators trying to reverse-engineer a single case will be sifting through 500,000 pages of emails, 100,000 pages of bank records and 5,000 pages of records created as the result of the execution of a search warrant or as a result of actual documents seized.

Agents then will begin the mind-numbing and time-consuming process of identifying victims by the tens of thousands.

Some of the victims will lose their homes because they borrowed against their equity to take advantage of “bonus” ad packs and to maximize their “earnings” through “compounding.” Others will have lost savings set aside to educate their children. Still others will have lost their life savings and money set aside for retirement.

Many of the people who created all the pain will sprint back to the Ponzi forums — and the government will be left to clean up the colossal mess. The Ponzi pitchfest is in constant motion as property values decline in neighborhood after neighborhood, driven by the foreclosures glut. The Stepfords among the promoters will write their Congressman or Senator or perhaps the Inspector General at the Justice Department.

They’ll more or less say that it would be in the interests of America if the Congressman or Senator or Inspector General would see fit to fire all the prosecutors and agents who made these unseemly events occur.

And then they’ll gather up their lists of suckers and try to recruit them into yet-another MLM, autosurf or HYIP nightmare. This they will call “freedom.” Some of them will be angry. Some of them will write rambling diatribes on forums. Invective will be part of the diatribes. Some of them will call public officials “Nazis” and “Socialists,” perhaps even in the same fractured paragraph. Some of them even will try to sue the government or have the prosecutors and judges charged with crimes. They’ll talk about “treason” and high crimes against the Constitution.

What they will never do is make any sense.

It is impossible to imagine that any government agency has the resources to take down all of the corrupt MLMs, autosurfs and HYIPs. But one can imagine a systematic process by which the government identifies the serial promoters and plans a litigation strategy from which will emerge the “shot heard round the world” of corrupt online investment “opportunities.”

That day cannot come soon enough — and the numbers demand it: more than $250 million gathered from victims of just the three alleged schemes referenced on this page, perhaps 1 million or more emails and other documents produced by the investigations, at least 83,000 victims from virtually all corners of the earth, an untold number of agents/investigators from multiple government entities forced to sift though monumental piles of evidence.

It is clear that wealth is being drained by the billions. It is equally clear that vast sums of money have gone missing in the Age of Terrorism.

Clearest of all, however, is that the corrupt MLMs, autosurfs and HYIPs cannot thrive without their greedy and dangerous promoters — and that highly public lawsuits and early morning raids designed to hold the wink-nod Ponzi pitchmen accountable would send an unmistakable message that pain is in your future if you promote these criminally toxic businesses. Serial promoters deserve the same treatment as mid-level drug dealers.

No economy can thrive if a single case among thousands of potential cases is producing 500,000 pages of emails and creating 40,000 victims while consuming tens of millions of dollars — and if “shell companies,” the “shadow banking system” and wink-nod, serial promoters are driving the wanton criminality and letting the cancers metastasize globally.

Here’s hoping such an operation aimed specifically at corrupt MLMs, autosurfs and HYIPs already is under way."

kirklin
03-02-2011, 10:41 PM
[QUOTE=path2prosperity;6890]I gave Kirk my support and I have never tried to deny it. I tried to get him to tell the truth in a community which I thought would give him a fair hearing.

I have discovered that Adlandpro is corrupt to the core and I am delighted that members here are looking for evidence in that cesspit.

Let is hope that more people start searching Adlandpro to dig up dirt.

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 10:48 PM
and i feel like a heal for losing what i thought was going to be a good friend. 144Yeah I am sure you lost sleep over that and the rest of your continued bad behavior! How the hell do you live with yourself? How do you even manage to look yourself in the mirror every morning?

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 10:50 PM
So far, Kirk, we've seen you:

a) lay blame
b) justify
c) rationalize

the fact you've actively promoted, participated in, profited from a series of highly illegal and immoral frauds.

What we HAVEN'T seen is you accepting responsibility for the fact you have done so willingly and intentionally.

No matter how you cut it and no matter how you attempt to turn it into some sort of bad soap opera, autosurfs and HYIPs are both illegal and unsustainable.

What's even worse, for all the "Days of Our Lives" drivel you spout, you're doing it again.

Get it straight, "autosurfs" don't work.

You simply CANNOT run an "autosurf" in which people don't lose money.

And, you simply CANNOT prevent the disabled and fixed income people you claim to be "helping" from losing money.

You have NO WAY of separating the players from the genuine believers.

All the rest of the stuff and nonsense you're spouting is complete and utter crap.

What you did and continue to do is illegal, immoral and criminal.

The fact you even ATTEMPT to use disabled and fixed income victims to justify your actions makes it even more reprehensible.It's beyond pathetic isn't it? But then did anyone really expect anything else? I know I sure as hell did not and thus far I have not been disappointed!

kirklin
03-02-2011, 10:55 PM
Ok i am done here enough is enough as you say i am scammer and will not open any kind of opportunity for anyone else. okosh i guess you can still call me a scammer i proved nothing. sorry to waste your time. I will take down the poll and let the domain die out this month you succeeded in stopping another scammer. Now go get that damm Matt:judge:

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 10:58 PM
Opportunity my ass! Get some help. I am serious about this, because you really need it, son. You only have one life to live on this planet. Is this seriously how you want to be remembered? Is this something that any family can be proud of? Is this going to be your legacy to others? You need to do some serious and realistic soul searching. If not, I hope you are put in jail sooner rather than later.

littleroundman
03-02-2011, 11:04 PM
At the risk of being accused of repeating myself, society really DOES need to adjust to the fact there's a whole sub strata of people in existence who firmly believe none of societies' rules and norms apply to them.

Kirk is a perfect example of what happens when "we" becomes "me" and what "I" want is what "I" get, and screw everyone else

A Life Aloft
03-02-2011, 11:08 PM
At the risk of being accused of repeating myself, society really DOES need to adjust to the fact there's a whole sub strata of people in existence who firmly believe none of societies' rules and norms apply to them.

Kirk is a perfect example of what happens when "we" becomes "me" and what "I" want is what "I" get, and screw everyone elseIsn't that the true characteristic of a Sociopath? Fits very well, doesn't it? It is amazing to me just how deep denial can be in an individual. That and how they will say and do anything to hide from facing the truth of what they really are, what they have become and what they have done. Very sad. When you cannot even manage to take that specific first step, there really is no hope.

okosh
03-02-2011, 11:25 PM
Ok i am done here enough is enough as you say i am scammer and will not open any kind of opportunity for anyone else. okosh i guess you can still call me a scammer i proved nothing. sorry to waste your time. I will take down the poll and let the domain die out this month you succeeded in stopping another scammer. Now go get that damm Matt:judge:

Thanks Kirk....Always a pleasure to add another notch on my six shooter....Will put this one right up there along side Faith Sloan :RpS_laugh:

The reality here Kirk is that you are being given the chance to tell your side....
You have chosen not to but rather you have chosen to run....

The folks here at real scam have given you a fair go and I do appreciate that they were nice to you and kept the debate civil....Sure both sides did not agree but at least it was civil discussion :RpS_smile:

Most of all I am estatic to hear that there will be no goldvault2....This is indeed great news and I applaud you for making this decision....

Hope you can now concetrate on your real business and leave the scam industry to the past....

Best wishes to you Kirk :RpS_smile:

kirklin
03-02-2011, 11:29 PM
Thanks Kirk....Always a pleasure to add another notch on my six shooter....Will put this one right up there along side Faith Sloan :RpS_laugh:

The reality here Kirk is that you are being given the chance to tell your side....
You have chosen not to but rather you have chosen to run....

The folks here at real scam have given you a fair go and I do appreciate that they were nice to you and kept the debate civil....Sure both sides did not agree but at least it was civil discussion :RpS_smile:

Most of all I am estatic to hear that there will be no goldvault2....This is indeed great news and I applaud you for making this decision....

Hope you can now concetrate on your real business and leave the scam industry to the past....

Best wishes to you Kirk :RpS_smile:

I guess it was civil but it is senseless everything i say has no relevance and i have issues. So i will go away as you suggested and work my company.
cheers
no really

littleroundman
03-03-2011, 01:32 AM
Isn't that the true characteristic of a Sociopath? Fits very well, doesn't it?

Therein lies the problem, IM(very)HO,

For many, it's completely "normal" behaviour,

IOW, what would in the past have been considered abnormal "sociopathic" behaviour is now so widespread it's become a whole self centered way of life for an increasing amount of people.

The fact we now casually refer to a 'ME" generation shows how widespread such behaviour has become.

path2prosperity
03-03-2011, 01:49 AM
Most of all I am estatic to hear that there will be no goldvault2....This is indeed great news and I applaud you for making this decision....

Hope you can now concetrate on your real business and leave the scam industry to the past....

Best wishes to you Kirk :RpS_smile:

The best news of all, is that "cookie keener" has suffered a severe set back.

littleroundman
03-03-2011, 02:36 AM
Coincidental to my comments above, THIS (http://www.watoday.com.au/lifestyle/lifematters/new-generation-infected-by-narcissism-says-psychologist-20110302-1bewf.html) article appeared online today:
id.
New generation infected by narcissism, says psychologist

AN ''EPIDEMIC of narcissism'' has swept across the student population in the past 30 years, a US expert will tell a conference on personality disorders (http://isspd2011.com.au/) in Melbourne today.

Jean Twenge, professor of psychology at San Diego State University, said a study she conducted of 16,000 university students across the US showed 30 per cent were narcissistic in psychological tests, compared with 15 per cent in 1982. ''They are all 18 and 19-year-olds, so this is clearly a generational shift,'' she said
The full article is also posted here on REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com/f37/new-generation-infected-narcissism-says-psychologist-558/#post6969RealScam.com)

WishfulThinking
03-03-2011, 07:02 AM
So far, Kirk, we've seen you:

a) lay blame
b) justify
c) rationalize

the fact you've actively promoted, participated in, profited from a series of highly illegal and immoral frauds.

What we HAVEN'T seen is you accepting responsibility for the fact you have done so willingly and intentionally.

No matter how you cut it and no matter how you attempt to turn it into some sort of bad soap opera, autosurfs and HYIPs are both illegal and unsustainable.

What's even worse, for all the "Days of Our Lives" drivel you spout, you're doing it again.

Get it straight, "autosurfs" don't work.

You simply CANNOT run an "autosurf" in which people don't lose money.

And, you simply CANNOT prevent the disabled and fixed income people you claim to be "helping" from losing money.

You have NO WAY of separating the players from the genuine believers. (My emphasis)

All the rest of the stuff and nonsense you're spouting is complete and utter crap.

What you did and continue to do is illegal, immoral and criminal.

The fact you even ATTEMPT to use disabled and fixed income victims to justify your actions makes it even more reprehensible.

PLUS


At the risk of being accused of repeating myself, society really DOES need to adjust to the fact there's a whole sub strata of people in existence who firmly believe none of societies' rules and norms apply to them.


At the risk of repeating YOU........ with special emphasis on your comment on the impossibility of separating players from believers, for anyone who STILL thinks autosurfs have ever been harmless games.

Another note should be added on the likelihood of Okosh's "Oval Table" theory of players who control the whole autosurf industry and other online frauds. Patrick Pretty calls them steroidal puppeteers, but what's in a name?

giantkin
03-03-2011, 12:33 PM
Thanks Kirk....Always a pleasure to add another notch on my six shooter....Will put this one right up there along side Faith Sloan :RpS_laugh:

The reality here Kirk is that you are being given the chance to tell your side....
You have chosen not to but rather you have chosen to run....

The folks here at real scam have given you a fair go and I do appreciate that they were nice to you and kept the debate civil....Sure both sides did not agree but at least it was civil discussion :RpS_smile:

Most of all I am estatic to hear that there will be no goldvault2....This is indeed great news and I applaud you for making this decision....

Hope you can now concetrate on your real business and leave the scam industry to the past....

Best wishes to you Kirk :RpS_smile:


Ok, i just had to register and post.

wow. Civil? lol. i suppose it was, until someone attacked. Calling names etc... started to get nasty... how would you respond? stick it out? maybe... just give in, and walk away. I would have. anyhow....

a few points.

I would think i would be one that ppl would want to talk to about all of this. (some, not all i suppose)

I had previously bought a surfsite (2 actually) from someone else. Which later i woke up and realized i was taken...but was a good lesson. after a year or so
I opened up one of the surf sites. (legit....contrary to what some of you think about autosurfs...i had a real plan. Money is used to buy items to sell on parade routes, and carnivals/festivals. I have contacts in this all over-big ones... (own some carnival stuff, contact me i can fill your warehouse, etc. ) lol sry, plug there. lol.
(my site, due to the previous owners ....skill? (i bought into the 'sickness' part of the deal..sigh, the sites name had a not so great reputation, before i opened. So only a few members joined. not enough to cover the first months server cost lol, let alone the scripts etc. Soon as the (3?) months were ending on the few upgrades, (i had prepaid for...3 or 6 i forget) I turned off the upgrades, waiting for the plans to end, then paid them out.
(funny part: one of the upgraders turned out to be the PREVIOUS admins... go figure.)

anyhow, I know i was doing it legit. Can i prove it? Not totally. (i can show receipts of what i bought, etc. and permits for where i sold it, etc...if thats proof?)

anyhow (that was just background for me, now on to.....)

at this time, im a member of mgv, i knew sidney in mcf forums, and matts a mod..later on
after the sydney thing, when cookie was the only US seller, and she wasnt doing too well. (i think she was scamming the customers on ebay etc, and got blacklisted)

I put a large sum into mygoldvault (well, to me it was) but it wasnt THRU mgv it was direct. to buy items for resale, etc.

Cookie sent me a box or 2 of items, that i was to list, and sell for kirk. (and matt?)

I checked out each item (as i could-being a computer geek)

Sold a few items, wasnt alot of good items in there, but a few. Plan was to have a full load of items sent to me, and i sell it for kirk, and i get % but Cookie f..messed up a few accounts. (i talked to her, i felt that rocks were smarter...sorry if that offends...but twas true) I think i mentioned that to kirk, and later i mentioned a few of the things she said...didnt add up. (eventually, she told me some of the things she was doing to screw kirk. but it wasnt put that way, just... if I dont get this, im doing this..sorta thing.

I told kirk she's a nut, and not to trust her. (but who was I yet ....other than another person owed, im unknown too) not sure if he belived or not. eventually i think he did...but wanted to get the items out of her that were there. (she told me some of the items...it was alot of stuff)

Everything fell apart after that... a load was never bought for me to sell, i was told, anything i had that i could sell, to apply the money toward the debt. (it didnt put a dent in it, to be honest) $100 maybe, forget now i have the spreadsheet on it somewhere.


Anyhow....I think i covered the details, as i know em.

to sum up.


Kirk tries. Trusted the wrong ppl. got burned, and when I arrived, it was just too late. (course, im assuming im a good person, and could have sold the items and helped keep his stuff going)

im i too trusting too? maybe.... but if i talk to him, he responds. doesnt try to hide.
etc.

Im trying to get things moving forward, so a site wouldnt do much good for me now, but I know my stuff is legit, how can you tell me im not? i think the same thing for kirk. He knows his stuff is legit. how can he prove it? well, i hope i just did for you.

course...if i get yelled at like he did, im not gonna bother either lol

if i get stabbed, i bleed (isnt that a quote from something..hm)

anyhow, goodluck on ya, and all that!

gk

A Life Aloft
03-03-2011, 01:21 PM
I can't comment that much on this for the time being until I get home again, as I am leaving on an overnighter shortly, but tell me....do you pay State, County and Federal taxes on this tripe? Do you have a business license? Do you have a registered corporation with a business name or even a DBA? Do you have separate business accounts? (checking and savings) Do you have any background whatsoever in finances? Do you have a degree in anything financial or any experience with a legit entity? Do you have agreements specifying all the terms with your clients which are drafted up by an attorney and are legal that they must sign and agree to? Do you carry insurance to cover your clients and yourself? Do you have an accountant or a bookkeeper or even any legit bookkeeping records besides a spreadsheet somewheres? Do you pay Sales taxes to the State and County where you run your flopportunities from? Care to comment on why Pay Pal does not allow these scams to use their service?

I love the Kirk tries comment. AGAIN, where in the hell do people get the idea that they have the right to take people's money, make claims and promises to them and then "try" to make this illegal and immoral crap work out? What gives you the notion that this is moral, let alone legal in the first place? Do you even care? I am really curious as to the mindset behind this garbage that makes you feel entitiled to gamble with people's lives and money.

I find it interesting that when scammers are asked legit questions, they consider that being yelled at and they flee like the cowards that they are, because they have no legit answers to those questions. Then comes the whining and the b.s. excuses. Again, what in the world gives you the go ahead green light in your mind and the ability to run these programs and play around with people's money and their lives? I'd really like to know. It's always the same b.s. I trusted the wrong people. Does it never dawn on you that the wrong people are exactly who start and run these programs in the first place? Therefore, being involved with them at some point should come as no surprise to anyone.

I really also love can I prove it, BUT - not totally? LMAO! WTF does that mean? I can totally prove that the service which I provide is 100% legit, yet none of you scammers can. Why is that? An entity is either legit or it isn't. PERIOD. It's not sort of legit or sort of provable. Get real. All people (consumers) deserve to be protected and actually get what they pay for. But not in your "business". Why is that?

Everything falls apart. Big surprise. ALL of these scams fall apart sooner rather than later. ALL OF THEM! Why is that?

Interesting that you claim if you are stabbed that you bleed, but what about all the victims of these scams? Their blood is on your hands and the hands of every scammer out there on the net. Guess that doesn't matter however. It's all about you, afterall and what you want and need.

Any person who has honor, self-respect and knows they are right and has ethics, morals and a conscience would stay and defend themselves, actually and would have the proof to back up their claims. But when facing that what has been said about them, which is the truth and the facts and not the b.s. bogus statements that they have claimed.......they flee. What else can they do? Continue to lie, rationalize, deflect and lamely try to justify? Again this is no surprise to any of us. Seen it a thousand times.

Eddie Haskell
03-03-2011, 02:03 PM
Seems this is the first scammer and criminal to register at real scam. Thanks for that Kirk. Most dont have the go nads or they are not a stupid as you. I dont know much about you but the last few pages have been interesting reading for those who dont know you.


You simply CANNOT run an "autosurf" in which people don't lose money.


This is the bottom line posted by LRM. You can not run a ponzi and not hurt people. I hope you get hit by a truck going to your mail box. Your kind deserves the worst mankind can deliver to you. Dont come in here and try to BS us you crook. This is not Talk Scam and the mods here dont like your kind. If you think you can BS somebody here you have thought wrong. :RpS_mad:

A Life Aloft
03-03-2011, 02:10 PM
What is worse, is how addicted, removed emotionally and psychologically and blind these scammers actually are. They cannot recoginze their own behavior. They have no conscience whatsoever and are truly deluded.

"I have contacts in this all over-big ones... (own some carnival stuff, contact me i can fill your warehouse, etc. ) lol sry, plug there. lol."

The newest conman to grace our forum, thinks this is allowed on here and even funny. That is truly delusional and pathetic. They have free reign of the internet and forums such as Scam, TalkGold and Adland so they try and pull the same stunts here and think it's acceptable.

Looking for marks at every given moment of the day. What a way to spend your pitiable, desperate and unfullfilled life. Cripes!

Eddie Haskell
03-03-2011, 02:47 PM
LAL, I hear you.


They have free reign of the internet and forums such as Scam, TalkGold and Adland

They dang sure dont have it here. Welcome to reality Kirk. If you want to try to pass the sniff test post it at real scam. There are so many scam busters here it makes my head spin.

These people are worse than sick. They are nothing but thieves imo and total scumbags. I would love to get my hands on one of them just once. They are no different than a guy breaking into your house and stealing your TV set. I would love to pop a cap in one of them but that would be too good. A big slug in the knee would be better so we could watch them in pain. If your a scammer in TExas becareful because those people down there shoot and ask questions later. :RpS_laugh: Laidback will appreciate that.

Kirk, you picked the wrong forum to promote your BS I am afraid. YOu are a piece of trash and need to be locked up. I had to delete what I also thought of you. It was inappropriate even for this forum.

laidback
03-03-2011, 03:01 PM
LAL, I hear you.

[QUOTE][/QUThey have free reign of the internet and forums such as Scam, TalkGold and Adland OTE]

They dang sure dont have it here. Welcome to reality Kirk. If you want to try to pass the sniff test post it at real scam. There are so many scam busters here it makes my head spin.

These people are worse than sick. They are nothing but thieves imo and total scumbags. I would love to get my hands on one of them just once. They are no different than a guy breaking into your house and stealing your TV set. I would love to pop a cap in one of them but that would be too good. A big slug in the knee would be better so we could watch them in pain. If your a scammer in TExas becareful because those people down there shoot and ask questions later. :RpS_laugh: Laidback will appreciate that.

Kirk, you picked the wrong forum to promote your BS I am afraid. YOu are a piece of trash and need to be locked up. I had to delete what I also thought of you. It was inappropriate even for this forum.
LOL, I'm thinking just a wee bit higher so they don't reproduce...!:RpS_scared:

Eddie Haskell
03-03-2011, 03:27 PM
[QUOTE=Eddie Haskell;7004]LAL, I hear you.


LOL, I'm thinking just a wee bit higher so they don't reproduce...!:RpS_scared:

Not a bad idea LB. I know you and I share some conserative ideas but dont always agree. I cant say what I really think even here but anything bad that happens to a scammer is a big plus. Getting hit by a bus may be too good for the them. I hope for a more painful drawn out death. Thats how bad I hate these bastards.

path2prosperity
03-03-2011, 03:44 PM
Any info Kirk can provide on Terry the ****** or Mutt or Nick Smirnow or Kent Black or Bobby Krimm or Jake "the snake" Amadee or whoever will all be interesting reading and proof of what I have known all along that an "Oval Office" exists within the scam industry....
Members of the "oval Office"(some named above) are the ones with the inside info on many of the scams....They use the info to line their pockets with the money from the dumb shmucks who post "I got paid" at TG and MMG....

In other words they play with an unfair advantage over regular players.....

The Kirk story is just beginning. I would like to encourage him to tell us more about some of these "oval office" players.

Kirk has said that he does not know where Sydney is but he has let a cat out of the bag by telling us that Mutt knows where she lives and that her house is owned by none other than Kent Black. The director of Muttland has to be none other than Kent Black with Sydney as forum manager.

When Mutt and Kirk bought the domain MyCashForums to get rid of TerryTheWanker, we see ownership of MyCashForum returned to Kent Black and Sydney.

I believe that Kent and Sydney are running MCFads and that it was these two who were testing the market to see if players would bite if Kirk reopened MGV.

okosh
03-04-2011, 12:51 AM
Ok, i just had to register and post.

wow. Civil? lol. i suppose it was, until someone attacked. Calling names etc... started to get nasty... how would you respond? stick it out? maybe... just give in, and walk away. I would have. anyhow....

a few points.

I would think i would be one that ppl would want to talk to about all of this. (some, not all i suppose)

I had previously bought a surfsite (2 actually) from someone else. Which later i woke up and realized i was taken...but was a good lesson. after a year or so
I opened up one of the surf sites. (legit....contrary to what some of you think about autosurfs...i had a real plan. Money is used to buy items to sell on parade routes, and carnivals/festivals. I have contacts in this all over-big ones... (own some carnival stuff, contact me i can fill your warehouse, etc. ) lol sry, plug there. lol.
(my site, due to the previous owners ....skill? (i bought into the 'sickness' part of the deal..sigh, the sites name had a not so great reputation, before i opened. So only a few members joined. not enough to cover the first months server cost lol, let alone the scripts etc. Soon as the (3?) months were ending on the few upgrades, (i had prepaid for...3 or 6 i forget) I turned off the upgrades, waiting for the plans to end, then paid them out.
(funny part: one of the upgraders turned out to be the PREVIOUS admins... go figure.)

anyhow, I know i was doing it legit. Can i prove it? Not totally. (i can show receipts of what i bought, etc. and permits for where i sold it, etc...if thats proof?)

anyhow (that was just background for me, now on to.....)

at this time, im a member of mgv, i knew sidney in mcf forums, and matts a mod..later on
after the sydney thing, when cookie was the only US seller, and she wasnt doing too well. (i think she was scamming the customers on ebay etc, and got blacklisted)

I put a large sum into mygoldvault (well, to me it was) but it wasnt THRU mgv it was direct. to buy items for resale, etc.

Cookie sent me a box or 2 of items, that i was to list, and sell for kirk. (and matt?)

I checked out each item (as i could-being a computer geek)

Sold a few items, wasnt alot of good items in there, but a few. Plan was to have a full load of items sent to me, and i sell it for kirk, and i get % but Cookie f..messed up a few accounts. (i talked to her, i felt that rocks were smarter...sorry if that offends...but twas true) I think i mentioned that to kirk, and later i mentioned a few of the things she said...didnt add up. (eventually, she told me some of the things she was doing to screw kirk. but it wasnt put that way, just... if I dont get this, im doing this..sorta thing.

I told kirk she's a nut, and not to trust her. (but who was I yet ....other than another person owed, im unknown too) not sure if he belived or not. eventually i think he did...but wanted to get the items out of her that were there. (she told me some of the items...it was alot of stuff)

Everything fell apart after that... a load was never bought for me to sell, i was told, anything i had that i could sell, to apply the money toward the debt. (it didnt put a dent in it, to be honest) $100 maybe, forget now i have the spreadsheet on it somewhere.


Anyhow....I think i covered the details, as i know em.

to sum up.


Kirk tries. Trusted the wrong ppl. got burned, and when I arrived, it was just too late. (course, im assuming im a good person, and could have sold the items and helped keep his stuff going)

im i too trusting too? maybe.... but if i talk to him, he responds. doesnt try to hide.
etc.

Im trying to get things moving forward, so a site wouldnt do much good for me now, but I know my stuff is legit, how can you tell me im not? i think the same thing for kirk. He knows his stuff is legit. how can he prove it? well, i hope i just did for you.

course...if i get yelled at like he did, im not gonna bother either lol

if i get stabbed, i bleed (isnt that a quote from something..hm)

anyhow, goodluck on ya, and all that!

gk

No...All you did was prove that I was right to call Kirk a scammer....You are also a scammer....
Your long winded dribble here is just that, dribble :RpS_thumbdn:

Just like Kirk you came here and told us nothing but a load of hogwash excuses for why your ponzi scheme failed...

There is nothing legitamate about what you do or have done....

All your BS about selling a few items to generate income is pure BS....
What you did was look to create a way of avoiding the same fate as 12dailypro....
Reality is that you were running an illegal ponzi scheme....

If you looking for people to invest in a business selling this or that or carnival stuff you don't offer 1% or 5% or x% for x number of days.....
This is called offering "ponzi odds"....
If you were legitamate you draw up a legal agreement with your investors and you'd offer them a % of any profits made....
By offering x% per day on their money you are running a scam :RpS_thumbdn:

littleroundman
03-04-2011, 01:27 AM
Ok, i just had to register and post.

wow. Civil? lol. i suppose it was, until someone attacked. Calling names etc..

HeHeHe,

Don't ya just love it when a serial fraudster plays the sympathy card ???

"calling names"

Err,

saying a scammer is a scammer doesn't exactly fall under the heading of "calling names"

Neither does suggesting that he/she is a low life, despicable criminal oxygen thief when said scammer attempts to justify his or her activities by invoking the "helping the widows and orphans" ploy.

Again I say,

there has never, ever been a single, solitary "autosurf" which is not illegal, unsustainable and a ponzi.

As for providing spreadsheets to prove honest intent,

P-U-H-L-E-A-S-E !!!

All such spreadsheets prove is: whoever produced them is either totally incompetent or a bloody liar.

path2prosperity
03-04-2011, 03:58 AM
What posessed you to think that you could bring MGV back Kirk?

Something or somebody must have put the idea into your head. If it was not "cookie" or "an other", please explain. You did not come over to me as a serial scammer. We discussed Internet marketing. You talked sense and I thought you could sell real products. I will give you three examples.

1) I said that there was a very good market for "Jordan size bras" which were made for older women in the UK. I found it hard to buy an older woman type in a size 34E and a neighbour of mine who was 87 found it almost impossible to get a 32G for a woman of her age in London. You said that you could rescource large size bras for older women in Canada. That was a sensible business proposition.

2) You said that you would evaluate Milliput and compare it to similar products in Canada. Welcome to the world of Milliput (http://www.milliput.com/) You were the perfect person to evaluate this product and introduce it into Canada, if it could survive extreme temperature in North America. It is an epoxy resin that seals leaks in almost anything. I have an affiliate link for Milliput and people buy it from my web site because it is less trouble tham buying from a plumbers merchant or DIY store. If a Canadian roofer recommended the product it would boost my sales.

3) We agreed most that ten year kids bought stupid things like whoopee cushions and fake dog terds on April Fools day and that Internet marketing was knowing what sold in your local shops, not having degrees in this or that. I did not get round to asking HM if she knew any Adlandpro artists in who could make any artistic dog terds for April Fools day but I know that plenty of Americans buy these "jokes for their kids. I have just finished re reading a book by a very highly estemed American author (Bill Bryson) book in which he admits stocking up on platic vomit to ammuse his children.

We spoke about real products that could be bought on The Internet and sold to local businesses. Your ideas were good and you showed a flair for business.

WHAT WENT WRONG?

path2prosperity
03-04-2011, 05:21 AM
I put a large sum into mygoldvault to buy items for resale, etc.

gk

You obviously thought that Kirk was a competent trader. He had a very good idea about some things that would sell but those markets dry up very quickly.

Kirk's attempt to sell advertising was doomed from the start. He had no experience in the advertising industry. He knew how to sell some widgets and he had a flair for market trading.

If you talk to anybody who runs a stall in a local market you meet people like Kirk. They buy stock and sell quickly. People like that are not educated marketers. They live on their wits. When my business collapsed, I had to learn the art of being a market trader or "self employed opportunist". I have traded in antiques, sold charity lottery tickets and ATMs to be placed in local shops. It is not easy to buy and sell in the present climate. I thought Kirk was one who had mastered that art.

"

giantkin
03-04-2011, 08:44 PM
path2prosperity.

your the only one that is polite in here, so heres my response to you first. I can agree on that. I thought the items he was buying, and was selling were good ideas. I was hoping to get into selling for him, never really got started.
I just got a job working for a guy that owns a flea market, kinda funny you should say that..heh. He also makes money selling items at events. (this is the guy that Im hoping to emulate) Huge amounts of stock, machines to work on, etc)

Thanks for the conversation.
g




Other responses:

a few of ya posted with my comments, as if kirk did em, confusing the 2 posts or something.

How can anyone classify me as a scammer? LOL I've been taken more than most of you I'd say.

I bought a domain name, that was worthless for waaaay to much...with a script I couldnt get to work.
I opened the site, and the only joiner was the previous owner.

I dont owe anyone (on the internet) any money. (cc's bills, etc not withstanding)

I tried alot of surfsites, investment sites etc. lost everything i put in. I dont join any surf sites now. (i am in one still, that is still going, hoping to get even)

I also dont attack ppl. (just look, i didnt mention who i was responding too above, just put Others...)

I dont mind listening to your opinion. But your opinion only counts, if you , talk, in a moderate tone. Yelling, screaming....that drives ppl away. (yes, i know its not verbal, but it is when you read it in your head...)

I dont remember some of the comments, just the overall gist....and thats fading.

hm...oh someone comment about me laughing... I do that. i'm a nice person. I do nice things. even simple stuff, make 2 cups of tea, and give one to the other person near me. even tho, that other person never would do the same back....)

I still hold the door open for women.

ya, i guess its considered....*looking up word* ...sexist(?)... but I still do it. (i also hold the door open for older men...i dont think thats sexist. (course it could be ageist ageism?))

Hard to please anyone, let alone everyone.

went back over a few posts... serial fraudster?? figure out who said what, about what, and get it straight first.
(said in an irritated/ jest of a voice)

hm more of the same.... wrong person, you responded to my post, try to remember which post, get which responses.

Do you know what a ponzi is?

When someone puts money in... ( i didnt get this far lol)
And yes, i had an agreement here, with each person to join. (they just didnt)

when someone puts money in, the admin holds the money.

The next person puts money in....the admin pays the first guy, his money, plsu this guy. Boom, instant ponzi setup.

NONponzi is ..when money is put in, the admin takes it out, does something with it, puts it back in, pays it back.

I suppose you could look at the member putting the money in, is a scammer too however... he(or she) is loan sharking. or gambling. depending on your mindset.

Ponzi, and pyramids are illegal. I learned a bit more, after I lost so much money.

now to ask..how many of these sites have you joined?

if your on the various forums...its at least one. That must make you a scammer.
(going by some of these posts...)



ya, this should heat up the conversation some :)


oh and here comes my laugh... lol.
i cant help it.

(read my posts on various forums...if ya can find em, i dont post much)



mcf who owns it now? kent black? he owes me money too.


so does Nick Smirnov (if thats his name)

and a few others that i cant remember.

(which is why i stopped putting money into this stuff. its crap. I trust too easily, and get suckered. Heck, my offline business, i think im getting taken there too. Just cant figure out how to figure out how. (and how to stop it, and fix it)
I had to get a 2nd job to keep the water on, and it shouldnt be that way.
sry, offtopic rant there.


actually... why am i bothering.
i think i would rather go play a game with my 7 yr old son.

and debate on visiting here again.

take care!

g


(hm wonder if im just feeding the pigeons here)

path2prosperity
03-04-2011, 09:04 PM
path2prosperity.

I thought the items he was buying, and was selling were good ideas. I was hoping to get into selling for him, never really got started.



So did I. I will open another thread on Internet Marketing and I think that your contributions could be of value to that thread.

A Life Aloft
03-04-2011, 09:11 PM
What the hell was the disjointed, garbled, illogical, rambling rant???? I for one, did not mix you up with anyone and I addressed your first driveling post (right below that post) and asked you many questions of which you have answered NONE. Zip, zilch, nada. Big surprise! NOT!

You consider yourself a nice person because you make tea for someone? Are you fricking serious with this childish crap? Since you mentioned a child, you are a lousy role model for him. All the money you have pissed away in scams you could have been saving for his college education. Great move there. Shows a lot of responsibility and common sense. Just what are you teaching him with this behavior? You're a scammer and a fool who gets scammed himself. Brother, that's something he can be proud of. Maybe you would actually be able to pay your bills if you had .....you know....a real, honest, legit JOB!

Cripes, you really are a moron. Watching cement harden is more educational and interesting than your continued twaddle. Do you even have a point? How about growing a pair and answering my questions and spare us the blithering retorts to nowhere? Not going to hold my breath for that!

WishfulThinking
03-04-2011, 09:32 PM
ALA, without disagreeing with you, I have to recognise that there are times when I worry about your blood pressure. LOL

A Life Aloft
03-04-2011, 10:06 PM
ROTFL!!! I am a person with little patience (okay, no patience) and no tolerance whatsoever for dumbasses.......especially scammers. (he says clutching his Enalapril) I just do not suffer fools well at all and never have. I am fed-up with excuses and so many people's behavior and lack of conscience, morals, ethics and character in general. A-type personality and I call it like I see it. Always. I don't pussy foot around, never b.s. and I am never subtle. Like anybody on here who knows me doesn't already know all of this. lmao Plus I have been really really under the weather and just got in this afternoon from an overnighter and I am tired, cranky and sick and I have to prepare my business and personal taxes to send to my accountant on my two sick days off this weekend!!! Someone has to support the welfare recipients. Let's see, what else can I piss and moan about? lol On the plus side, I have a warm wife and a hot dinner in my future tonight, I've had a hot soak and am in my comfies. So life isn't all bad, I guess. How have you been btw? Hope you are well. You always have that damn nice balance thing going on that I have never had. Sigh.

A Life Aloft
03-04-2011, 11:17 PM
So did I. I will open another thread on Internet Marketing and I think that your contributions could be of value to that thread.What?? Have you read this idiot's posts? He had to get a part time job so his utilities didn't get turned off and you think he should be giving advice to anyone about anything related to any business venture or how to make money? Are you serious? The guy is a complete an utter failure. He's a scammer! And, he has apparently fallen for more scams than the Pope has rosary beads! What would he have to say that is vaulable? lol Internet marketing?? On the scam forum???? Cripes does anyone have a real job, a real business, a real education or a real career anymore? Does anyone actually work for a living? Does anyone have any real legit financial or business experience, or knowledge any longer? Where the hell is my Enalapril....

littleroundman
03-04-2011, 11:37 PM
How many ways can someone say it:

"Autosurfs" are NOT NOT NOT "Internet Marketing"

They NEVER work

They are ALWAYS illegal

There are many High Yield Investments.

There are zip, zero, zilch High Yield Investment PROGRAMS which are legal or sustainable.

A "HYIP" or "autosurf" with or without a product is still a PYRAMID SCHEME

A Life Aloft
03-04-2011, 11:47 PM
How many ways can someone say it:

"Autosurfs" are NOT NOT NOT "Internet Marketing"

They NEVER work

They are ALWAYS illegal

There are many High Yield Investments.

There are zip, zero, zilch High Yield Investment PROGRAMS which are legal or sustainable.

A "HYIP" or "autosurf" with or without a product is still a PYRAMID SCHEMEWhat the hell is it about this, that people cannot comprehend, understand and refuse to get? How many times does it need to be said and explained before it sinks in? Good grief!

littleroundman
03-05-2011, 01:08 AM
What the hell is it about this, that people cannot comprehend, understand and refuse to get? How many times does it need to be said and explained before it sinks in? Good grief!

So,

next time someone you know uses the word "delusional" you'll know EXACTLY what is meant and how extremely dangerous to ones' wellbeing delusional thinking can be.

To most people, it's one of those trendified, throwaway words we use in everyday conversation.

Unfortunately, until one encounters truly delusional thinking up close, few recognize what it REALLY means.

A Life Aloft
03-05-2011, 05:29 AM
Hey LRM, clean out your pms. lol Your box is full.

littleroundman
03-05-2011, 05:39 AM
Hey LRM, clean out your pms. lol Your box is full.

Consider it done

path2prosperity
03-05-2011, 05:59 AM
How many ways can someone say it:

"Autosurfs" are NOT NOT NOT "Internet Marketing"

They NEVER work

They are ALWAYS illegal

There are many High Yield Investments.


There are zip, zero, zilch High Yield Investment PROGRAMS which are legal or sustainable.

A "HYIP" or "autosurf" with or without a product is still a PYRAMID SCHEME

My writing style confuses a lot of people. I am not supporting autosurf with the exception of the one run by John Partington. Latroilette tells me that people here would describe that as a traffic exchange rather than an autosurf.

If everybody who tried playing autosurfs gets labelled as scammers or delusional, you will be very short of members.

littleroundman
03-05-2011, 06:58 AM
If everybody who tried playing autosurfs gets labelled as scammers or delusional, you will be very short of members.

Unlike many naysayers, I have always made a very clear distinction between "true believers" and "players" as I have between what can be considered "ignorance" and "wilfull ignorance"

When it comes to discussing "autosurfs", there are no "ifs" or "buts" and definitely no "excepts"

They're ALL illegal and ALL unsustainable.

Suggesting some "autosurfs" are only partially fraudulent is like saying it's possible to be a "little bit" pregnant.

Personally, I'm like Rhett Butler when it comes to people who knowingly and willingly participate in playing HYIPs.

"Quite frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"

BUT

when ANYONE comes along and floods any forum in which I'm a participant with absolute rubbish posts filled with justifications, rationalizations and blame shifting nonsense, then I think it completely reasonable to respond accordingly.

If doing what's right and telling the truth results in "being short of members" or member numbers are the deciding factor when framing a post, then, perhaps we should all shoot on over to your beloved Adland and join hands in a rousing rendition of Kumbaya while we have our pockets picked by your favourite bunch of "honest admins"

Until you come out and make a no exceptions condemnation of ALL "autosurfs" and ALL HYIPs , your posts will continue to be treated as being nothing more than those of a delusional, out of touch senior citizen, by me, at least.

path2prosperity
03-05-2011, 08:25 AM
Unlike many naysayers, I have always made a very clear distinction between "true believers" and "players" as I have between what can be considered "ignorance" and "wilfull ignorance"

When it comes to discussing "autosurfs", there are no "ifs" or "buts" and definitely no "excepts"

They're ALL illegal and ALL unsustainable.

Suggesting some "autosurfs" are only partially fraudulent is like saying it's possible to be a "little bit" pregnant.

Personally, I'm like Rhett Butler when it comes to people who knowingly and willingly participate in playing HYIPs.

"Quite frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"

BUT

when ANYONE comes along and floods any forum in which I'm a participant with absolute rubbish posts filled with justifications, rationalizations and blame shifting nonsense, then I think it completely reasonable to respond accordingly.

If doing what's right and telling the truth results in "being short of members" or member numbers are the deciding factor when framing a post, then, perhaps we should all shoot on over to your beloved Adland and join hands in a rousing rendition of Kumbaya while we have our pockets picked by your favourite bunch of "honest admins"

Until you come out and make a no exceptions condemnation of ALL "autosurfs" and ALL HYIPs , your posts will continue to be treated as being nothing more than those of a delusional, out of touch senior citizen, by me, at least.

I played autosurfs before I came a naysyer. I do not justify them now.

I don't expect you to read and inwardly digest all posts in this or other forums. I have come out very strongly against autosurfs.

If you have not grasped that point or the point that I made a very big mistake when I returned to Adlandpro community, my writing style is obviously anathema to you. I do not expect you to like it.

I can't stand some of our best British authours. Jane Austen makes me want to puke and Salamand Rushti is incomprehensible. Those who hate Judy Hortin's writing style are very welcome to their opinions.

giantkin
03-05-2011, 11:11 AM
What the hell is it about this, that people cannot comprehend, understand and refuse to get? How many times does it need to be said and explained before it sinks in? Good grief!

Its alot to HOW you tell them. Yell and scream at someone, and all they hear was that you yelled and screamed, not what you said.

Yes in type too.

Try going back over a few posts, and see what gets your attention. Everyone is different of course.

giantkin
03-05-2011, 11:23 AM
Sorry ya think my posts are drivel, ya can always skip over the posts, and just say whatever.
Both of my sons have a full ride thru college, already put away. it was close with the stock hit however.
My partial 2nd job is now full time. I repair video games (forget if i said that already). Course, you ppl probably think thats a scam too.

I think i see now, because I joined an autosurf site or 10...and lost my money, I'm a scammer. That makes great sense. (not sure to whom..but someone i guess)
Starting to think some ppl are just they way they are, and no matter how it really is, they are gonna keep saying bad things.

I dont remember any of the questions asked to ME. I thought your questions (if i saw some) were directed at kirk.

My 1 job, has been slow. Company struggling, etc. not alot of money available...so I got a 2nd job to make sure my bills get paid. took awhile.

Im a month behind on 1 or 2, up on others. Just like my neighbor actually. They work in Health care, taking care of ppl that cant take care of themselves.
Since htey are in the same situation as I am...they must be scammers too.

i mean really.

If you (in general you) are just gonna yell n scream over and over, that im doing wrong, why should i bother listening to your drivel? I no longer join autosurfs only joined one hyip.
I joined them cuz someone told me how great it all was, etc.

I put in $5 each site (or their minimum) 10, was my highest. I wait em out. (oh sorry this was my idea to get back the money i lost already)

the first time thru, i put in 100 in each site, and got a little out, etc.

There was 2 sites, that i was talking to the admins of the site, and I was convinced they were honest.


I no longer join sites.

Im not a naysayer however. Just someone that likes to talk, and point out how not to do things.


g

More feed for the pigeons

A Life Aloft
03-05-2011, 11:53 AM
I think i see now, because I joined an autosurf site or 10...and lost my money, I'm a scammer. That makes great sense. (not sure to whom..but someone i guess)
Starting to think some ppl are just they way they are, and no matter how it really is, they are gonna keep saying bad things.

"I had previously bought a surfsite (2 actually) from someone else. Which later i woke up and realized i was taken...but was a good lesson. after a year or so
I opened up one of the surf sites. (legit....contrary to what some of you think about autosurfs...i had a real plan. Money is used to buy items to sell on parade routes, and carnivals/festivals. I have contacts in this all over-big ones... (own some carnival stuff, contact me i can fill your warehouse, etc. ) lol sry, plug there. lol.
(my site, due to the previous owners ....skill? (i bought into the 'sickness' part of the deal..sigh, the sites name had a not so great reputation, before i opened. So only a few members joined. not enough to cover the first months server cost lol, let alone the scripts etc. Soon as the (3?) months were ending on the few upgrades, (i had prepaid for...3 or 6 i forget) I turned off the upgrades, waiting for the plans to end, then paid them out.
(funny part: one of the upgraders turned out to be the PREVIOUS admins... go figure.)

anyhow, I know i was doing it legit. Can i prove it? Not totally. (i can show receipts of what i bought, etc. and permits for where i sold it, etc...if thats proof?)"


and "Kirk tries. Trusted the wrong ppl. got burned, and when I arrived, it was just too late. (course, im assuming im a good person, and could have sold the items and helped keep his stuff going)"

"Im not a naysayer however." Scammers and conmen never are.

A Life Aloft
03-05-2011, 12:02 PM
I played autosurfs before I came a naysyer. I do not justify them now.

I don't expect you to read and inwardly digest all posts in this or other forums. I have come out very strongly against autosurfs.

Here we go yet again. What you also do now is to make excuses for the scammers and welcome them as friends and say marvelous things about them, such as treating them like your son! I have already posted your direct posts from other sites in this thread about Kirk for example and now you are protecting and covering up for Giant and even making a thread for him, a scammer, to teach us all something.

I have no idea why you don't expect anyone here to be able to "read and inwardly digest all posts in this or other forums" since several members of this forum have been on and posted with you and told you the same exact thing that you are being told here now, on those same other forums, for a very long time now. Hello??? Again, we can all read your posts and understand them, here and elsewhere and the responses to them. You are told the same thing over and over and you kep repeating the same thing over and over. How is this not clear? It's certainly clear to the rest of us. lol

A Life Aloft
03-05-2011, 12:08 PM
Its alot to HOW you tell them. Yell and scream at someone, and all they hear was that you yelled and screamed, not what you said.

Yes in type too.

Try going back over a few posts, and see what gets your attention. Everyone is different of course.B.S. Grow a pair. Stop the whining and excuses.

giantkin
03-05-2011, 12:37 PM
"I had previously bought a surfsite (2 actually) from someone else. Which later i woke up and realized i was taken...but was a good lesson. after a year or so
I opened up one of the surf sites. (legit....contrary to what some of you think about autosurfs...i had a real plan. Money is used to buy items to sell on parade routes, and carnivals/festivals. I have contacts in this all over-big ones... (own some carnival stuff, contact me i can fill your warehouse, etc. ) lol sry, plug there. lol.
(my site, due to the previous owners ....skill? (i bought into the 'sickness' part of the deal..sigh, the sites name had a not so great reputation, before i opened. So only a few members joined. not enough to cover the first months server cost lol, let alone the scripts etc. Soon as the (3?) months were ending on the few upgrades, (i had prepaid for...3 or 6 i forget) I turned off the upgrades, waiting for the plans to end, then paid them out.
(funny part: one of the upgraders turned out to be the PREVIOUS admins... go figure.)

anyhow, I know i was doing it legit. Can i prove it? Not totally. (i can show receipts of what i bought, etc. and permits for where i sold it, etc...if thats proof?)"


and "Kirk tries. Trusted the wrong ppl. got burned, and when I arrived, it was just too late. (course, im assuming im a good person, and could have sold the items and helped keep his stuff going)"

"Im not a naysayer however." Scammers and conmen never are.
(this last line, you forgot 1/2 of the sentence.) Interesting how you left out what hurt your side.

Starting to just think your full of it.
You dont know me, dont know what i do, nor have done.
I went in, trying to do something, and got burned. the only one that lost was me.

I closed it up, never had a chance. I know that now.

giantkin
03-05-2011, 12:41 PM
Here we go yet again. What you also do now is to make excuses for the scammers and welcome them as friends and say marvelous things about them, such as treating them like your son! I have already posted your direct posts from other sites in this thread about Kirk for example and now you are protecting and covering up for Giant and even making a thread for him, a scammer, to teach us all something.

I have no idea why you don't expect anyone here to be able to "read and inwardly digest all posts in this or other forums" since several members of this forum have been on and posted with you and told you the same exact thing that you are being told here now, on those same other forums, for a very long time now. Hello??? Again, we can all read your posts and understand them, here and elsewhere and the responses to them. You are told the same thing over and over and you kep repeating the same thing over and over. How is this not clear? It's certainly clear to the rest of us. lol

huh? understanding this... Treating who like my son??

I have been away from the forums for a year, i just came back to see what was going on. Still hoping to get my money back. Thats whats clear.

What am i being told? im a jerk for hoping to get my money back??

Have you joined any sites? you never answered THAT. (or if ya did, sry i missed it)

giantkin
03-05-2011, 12:49 PM
B.S. Grow a pair. Stop the whining and excuses.

Wow. Im getting tired of idiots.

yup, now im starting to call names...and i hate that.

its not whining to expect to have a conversation, but the other guy in the room is screaming nonsense, so you cant have a conversation at all.

Thats how politics works. One guy screams, noone else gets heard, and he wins!

congrats you win.

(oops, i almost posted a response to one thing, I thought was to me and it wasnt. It was to someone else...)


Hm, next we are going to talk about how my posts about security are tricks to get you to download dangerous Antivirus programs...and how thats wrong of me, as virus' are helping our computers slow down.

WishfulThinking
03-05-2011, 01:04 PM
huh? understanding this... Treating who like my son??

I have been away from the forums for a year, i just came back to see what was going on. Still hoping to get my money back. Thats whats clear.

What am i being told? im a jerk for hoping to get my money back??

Have you joined any sites? you never answered THAT. (or if ya did, sry i missed it)

Oh dear, will someone please refer back to the thread on narcisism. ALA is talking to someone else, not you!

Yes you are whistling in the wind if you hope to get money back that you lost playing autosurfs. They were and still are illegal ponzis and unless you were "lucky" enough to have taken part in one like AdSurfDaily where the government have their hands on some of the cash to return to victims, you wont see a cent.

Here is the scoop. Autosurfs without outside revenue to pay members are PONZIS. Autosurfs that do have outside revenue to pay members are generally still illegal because they do not make their profits from the sale of their wares, the "rebates" are not in proportion to the number of sites viewed, but the amount paid in, even if the ads arent viewed, and they are effectively productless as noone joins for the advertising and as such are unregistered securities and a long list of etceteras.

IF someone owns an autosurf and is going to pay their members out of the profits of their independant and legal business, instead of using new members fees to pay older members, then they might as well run their independent and legal business, keep the profit and stay away from illegal autosurfs. If their business is good enough to generate a profit they will not have so much trouble in financing it in the normal legal ways available.

Legal and illegal dont mix. There is no way to turn an illegal business concept into a legal one later on. It needs to be legal from the offset. Autosurfs are not legal per se

It doesnt matter whether a businessman is pleasant or disagreeable, but it does matter that he is competent and runs his business legally.

Now what is there about legal that you dont understand?

giantkin
03-05-2011, 01:33 PM
Oh dear, will someone please refer back to the thread on narcisism. ALA is talking to someone else, not you!

Yes you are whistling in the wind if you hope to get money back that you lost playing autosurfs. They were and still are illegal ponzis and unless you were "lucky" enough to have taken part in one like AdSurfDaily where the government have their hands on some of the cash to return to victims, you wont see a cent.

Here is the scoop. Autosurfs without outside revenue to pay members are PONZIS. Autosurfs that do have outside revenue to pay members are generally still illegal because they do not make their profits from the sale of their wares, the "rebates" are not in proportion to the number of sites viewed, but the amount paid in, even if the ads arent viewed, and they are effectively productless as noone joins for the advertising and as such are unregistered securities and a long list of etceteras.

IF someone owns an autosurf and is going to pay their members out of the profits of their independant and legal business, instead of using new members fees to pay older members, then they might as well run their independent and legal business, keep the profit and stay away from illegal autosurfs. If their business is good enough to generate a profit they will not have so much trouble in financing it in the normal legal ways available.

Legal and illegal dont mix. There is no way to turn an illegal business concept into a legal one later on. It needs to be legal from the offset. Autosurfs are not legal per se

It doesnt matter whether a businessman is pleasant or disagreeable, but it does matter that he is competent and runs his business legally.

Now what is there about legal that you dont understand?

(added in) Wishful thinking,
hey, excellent post.

I did mention that i responded to a post made, that wasnt to me...alot of posts seem to jump from one person to the next. Im getting old, I only retain some of the words, not who they are always said to.
Supppose it would be best if the post started with who the post was to :)


I now get the legal angles (not from your one post, but in research previously done)

I have several business models, getting them started was the problem.
Small Business Assoc. is interesting, and I'm reading alot of their documents.
Soon to have meetings with them.

*DELETED LONG SECTION Having nothing to do with topic (or very little)
hm, sorry i am goin astray again.



Getting funds back. I think that one of the sites WAS taken by the govt. or thats what i read alot of, but the guy (and wife) ran off to... phillipines i think it was.
havent heard anything since.


When i started, i went into the sites for the advertising. the...tradelinks sorta sites, the typename escapes me. oh Link exchnage sites...one of the links to look at, was an auto surf...wow i thought... I can put up the advertising, and make money?! awesome!.... Advertising a forum, for nothing was alot of browsing other sites to earn clicks.
Heck i think those sites are scams now too. setup to convince ppl they need to put in more money to get more exposure, when its cheaper to do the same thing with google. (then again, it can get expensive on google too)

Thanks for a decent convo.

g

giantkin
03-05-2011, 01:36 PM
Geez i ramble alot.

Guess I shouldnt do too many things at once.

Checkbook, taxes, homework, and read and try to post.

lol, gets into a mess.

g

giantkin
03-05-2011, 01:57 PM
quoted from a link to mrsv scam something or other: 2. Lots of "intelligent" people (as you call them) have gotten involved in autosurfs & hyip's and then dropped out after awhile, realizing what a gyp the whole operation was/is. Lots of really intelligent people make mistakes and/or do stupid things. The key is to live and learn and move on. Why haven't you moved on?"

I like that point. I got out, im sniffing around a bit now, but in no way putting any money in. I dont promote sites for autosurfing,hype etc. I do post forum links.

I def dont know how to see which sites are good, bad, and how to figure out who they were, when they opened a new site, etc.

I dont want to be scammed by anyone, how to do that? dont join any site in this 'industry'.

A Life Aloft
03-05-2011, 02:26 PM
huh? understanding this... Treating who like my son??

I have been away from the forums for a year, i just came back to see what was going on. Still hoping to get my money back. Thats whats clear.

What am i being told? im a jerk for hoping to get my money back??

Have you joined any sites? you never answered THAT. (or if ya did, sry i missed it)Tell me you cannot be this obtuse. You can't follow any discussions, nor understand who is responding to you, or even when they are or not. You never answer questions. You can't follow the conversations here and much of your posts make no sense. You would be better off to turn off your computer at this point frankly.

By the way THIS IS CONSIDERED SCREAMING on the internet and this isn't. How old are you?

What in the sake of everything logical, rational and that involves critical thinking would lead you to believe that I have ever been fool enough to "join any sites" or bogus scam programs? Unlike you, I actually have had a long term career, an education and specialized training and now run a business still working in my field of expertise. I have honestly earned and worked for every single dollar that I have ever made and I have not pissed them away on b.s. Perhaps that is why I can still pay my utility bills. The world does not owe me a living and I strive to make it a better place. I don't look for free rides and nonsense. I am a realist, not a dreamer and not a schemer. Integrity means everything to me.

A Life Aloft
03-05-2011, 02:49 PM
(this last line, you forgot 1/2 of the sentence.) Interesting how you left out what hurt your side.

Here is not the rest of your sentence, as you have now falsely claimed, but the sentence that followed what I quoted which was, "Im not a naysayer however." - as you made two distinct sentences:

"Im not a naysayer however. Just someone that likes to talk, and point out how not to do things."

Now what does this change exactly? What is your expertise in anything financial or in running a business or in scams and what have you pointed out thus far in any of your posts regarding "what to do" or "what not to do?"

giantkin
03-05-2011, 02:53 PM
Guess you missed this post:
(oops, i almost posted a response to one thing, I thought was to me and it wasnt. It was to someone else...)


The questions asked, didnt pertain to me, so why would i answer. (i thought that I was told very clearly that.)
My posts make sense, if you understood all the context in them.

What does my age matter? I consider any attack, an attack.

So, you have never joined a site, and yet you quickly jump on anyone that hoped to earn something?
I like my main job. Thanks. but the problem it is running into, is that OTHER businesses are dropping like flies. So, to make sure I can support myself, and this home that I overextended myself on, I looked for, and got a 2nd job.

I've also retired from a long time job, in the construction field. Before doing my present work.

I have honestly earned all of the money I made as well. I put in a few dollars in the hope of earning more that way, before learning how unlikely that is, and pulling myself out of it.
The amount is indifferent. I look at it like alot, others look at it like its nothing. I def didnt lose 100's of dollars. if i got it all back, it wouldnt pay all my bills for the month.

I am rather glad your business is still going. Its uncommon anymore. My best friend owns 3 stores, he's been complaining for years about the drop in money, except this year. So, maybe it will
all turn around.

I'm not folding, just looking for extra money to cover myself. I'd tell you my real investment mistakes, but you might think it was stupid putting money into the house I live in. (Tho now, its rather nice and comfortable)
it wasnt cheap, and I got quality, not aesthetics. (hm that the right word?) anyhow, I'm getting a client calling in, and once i get distracted, the less important stuff starts to lose.

Take care.

g

giantkin
03-05-2011, 03:02 PM
Now what does this change exactly? What is your expertise in anything financial or in running a business or in scams and what have you pointed out thus far in any of your posts regarding "what to do" or "what not to do?"

Wait... I never said i was an expertise in anything! def not financial. where did u ever get that idea?
I actually said the opposite in a post. might have been in another thread.

I know what NOT to do, from my experience at doing the wrong things.



Meant that line, not that sentence. Im not a naysayer (as in, i dont go around, saying that this or that is a scam) Im not that outspoken. Nor do I have the knowledge of these sites, never taking the time to look. I actualy just posted a link into one of the sections above, asking if xx site was legit or not.
I joined now, and its earning money per click...but its not worth the time. Still, if its a scam, i want someone to know and say something.
if its not, then all is well.

g

giantkin
03-05-2011, 03:06 PM
Where to start at looking at the Legitimacy of a site? Terms of service-everyone I've ever read, was always similar, giving the site power, and taking it away from the user.
be it google/amazon or a scam site.

the Domain registration? if its not Privacy protected, what tells you what is ok, and what not?

I have NO idea, thats why i am asking. Dont have to shoot me because i dont know... I'm interested in learning. (i post this here, i havent gotten far into this site yet. Looking around still, maybe this is posted elsewhere, if so, just link me and I'll go there, or i'll find it in a few)

g

A Life Aloft
03-05-2011, 03:19 PM
I jump on those who have promoted and joined scams. You betcha! I jump on those who think they can make money for nothing. I jump on those who have or are running scams. I jump on those who lie, cheat, steal and make false promises and in the process, destroy the lives of others.

Yes, I asked you many questions that did pertain to you and you ignored them all and still have. There is no "hope" to earn anything in this life. There is education, training, experience, studying, growth, determination, planinng, dedication, mind set, goals, focus, never giving up, very hard work and taking all the steps and doing the research that is needed to be a success and always having a plan B.

The reason that I had the career that I did and have the business that I do now is because of all of the above. It was not by happenstance or luck. My business is still growing because of this. This often surprises me. When the economy started to dump in this country, it was rough for a spell. I then regrouped, refocused and redoubled my efforts even further, looked at the best ways to market, promote, be flexible, creative and expanded and succeeded in spite of the economy. I never stopped working nor did I give in or waste my time with foolishness. My life and the lives of my family are far too important to me to do otherwise. It is all about the decisions that we make and how we follow through on those descisions. It is about being responsible and held accountable for those decisions. It is about enlisting and seeking the advice and counsel of actual legit experts to aid you. It is not about believing any of the tripe one reads on the internet. Many business have grown and flourished during this economy because of this. Nothing of any value falls into your lap, nor can it be found on internet sites promising everything and delivering nothing. Nothing worthwhile is easy. It's hard damn, non stop work. Period. It's being able to change with the times and having common sense. It is not about seeking out floportunities and wasting the one life you are given.

Why have you not sought out actual legit financial advisors and experts with a reputation and verifiable references instead of using internet forums and silly schemes then? Developing financial security starts when you are young and continues throughout your lifetime. There are a million legit ways to earn an honest living. But that involves work. Instead of focusing on your failures, learn from them and move forward. Don't keep creating more of them. You will not find the answers to your situation or your life on the internet either.

A Life Aloft
03-05-2011, 03:32 PM
Where to start at looking at the Legitimacy of a site? Terms of service-everyone I've ever read, was always similar, giving the site power, and taking it away from the user.
be it google/amazon or a scam site.

the Domain registration? if its not Privacy protected, what tells you what is ok, and what not?

I have NO idea, thats why i am asking. Dont have to shoot me because i dont know... I'm interested in learning. (i post this here, i havent gotten far into this site yet. Looking around still, maybe this is posted elsewhere, if so, just link me and I'll go there, or i'll find it in a few)

gAgain, your issue is that you are still looking at "sites" and flopportunities on the net. Instead of wasting time looking for dreams on the net, look to reality. You are not going to find legit opportunities on the fricking internet. Seriously. You can do some research into something that you are interested in and gather facts and stats and perhaps some advice, or some ideas on how to's and what some of the things are that you might want to investigate or need, but that's it. You need to live in the real world with real people that you know and that you meet face to face and that you can check out. Unless you have writing skills and are journalist and can be paid for what you write on legit publications and columns in those publications on the net, good luck. One can use the net as a tool to market and advertise or see what education or training and skills are needed for something, but that's about it. 99% of what you will see about how to earn money on the net is all bullshit. Period.

The only people that make any real money on the net are the promoters, the owners/founders and the heads of scams. That's it. Whether it's MLMs, Ponzis, HYIP's Autosurfs, Pyramids, you name it. They will and do make millions bilking others. You? Not so much. These scammers move from program to program. They milk them dry and then move on to another. Few are ever prosecuted and shut down. Very few, sadly. They know this and they count on it.

The sooner that people accept this fact, really acknowledge and accept it and move on to something that is truly productive, the better off they will be. The sooner they can stop wasting their time and money and do something that is real and that they have a actual chance to be rewarded for, you will then have the opportunity for real success in something that is legit, meaningful and worthwhile and something you can be proud of because you built it. The internet if full of millions of scams and it's on an international level now. Give it all up and make a change. A real change that will benefit yourself and your family.

giantkin
03-05-2011, 03:47 PM
I am asking about how to find details on the sites, so that I can pass that on.

How else to help others, but to share info.

My main job, is turning around, its slow going, but the books show we are owed a few thousand, which is a start. Getting paid, is next step, and getting more owed to us, is good too.

Like i said, i am NOT joining anything that is an invest site. The paid to clicks, i am joining are only due to someone else i know, interested, and wants proof that what I say is true. (not worth the time)

Maybe im wrong, and they are worth the time, I dont see it.

I dont want to spend my time clicking a site, getting .0015 cents a day. I offered the kid a job, he is trying. He thinks that the paidtoclick sites can help him. While he sits in the library, etc. Kid is relative, he's now 21, homeless, cant find work. Seems like a decent enough kid. I hope he can do the job I put to him. (he is in a shelter near the city library, supposedly spending his time looking for work... but comes up with this ptc sht.)

Anyhow

giantkin
03-05-2011, 03:52 PM
I've talked to lawyers about setting up stuff.
They dont always charge the first time, so questions work.

Same with a cpa. tho the 2nd talk is way over priced.

I did mention the SBA, and talks forth coming with them.

g

WishfulThinking
03-05-2011, 04:03 PM
Don't you think you have answered your own question? Of course he is wasting his time. He might be able to cash out the truly amazing sum of perhaps 10$ after 3 or 6 months of clicking - if they actually pay out. He will be better off with any job that pays by the hour for work, however badly they pay - because it will be more than he can ever earn on PTC. PTC itself is bordering on the illegaL, HOWEVER LOW THEIR PAYOUT IS, because to be legal it must always be less than they take in.

Go and read Entertained's well known Black Box Test . It can be applied to any business off or on line. It is well worth the read and teaches you to ignore the "fluff" and the smoke and mirrors. If a business model pays out more than it takes in over a period of time - it is unsustainable and most likely operating illegally.

http://www.eagleresearchassociates.org/The-Black-Box-Method-of-Due-Diligence.php (http://www.eagleresearchassociates.org/The-Black-Box-Method-of-Due-Diligence.php)

Try it for size and you will learn to spot the scams for yourself. ALA is right though, you wont make an honest living through "internet schemes". The internet is valuable as a communication tool or advertising a real business which deals in products or services. Stick with that and you wont go wrong.

A Life Aloft
03-05-2011, 04:03 PM
I am asking about how to find details on the sites, so that I can pass that on.

How else to help others, but to share info.

My main job, is turning around, its slow going, but the books show we are owed a few thousand, which is a start. Getting paid, is next step, and getting more owed to us, is good too.

Like i said, i am NOT joining anything that is an invest site. The paid to clicks, i am joining are only due to someone else i know, interested, and wants proof that what I say is true. (not worth the time)

Maybe im wrong, and they are worth the time, I dont see it.

I dont want to spend my time clicking a site, getting .0015 cents a day. I offered the kid a job, he is trying. He thinks that the paidtoclick sites can help him. While he sits in the library, etc. Kid is relative, he's now 21, homeless, cant find work. Seems like a decent enough kid. I hope he can do the job I put to him. (he is in a shelter near the city library, supposedly spending his time looking for work... but comes up with this ptc sht.)

AnyhowDid you read my last two serious, well thought out posts to you? Have you digested at all what I am trying to tell you here? I have made a real and honest attempt now to reach you. Did any of it sink in at all?

You cannot save others, especially if you cannot save yourself. You cannot help others unless you have helped yourself. Something (most likely many things) got this kid into the situation that he is in. It didn't happen overnight and he is ultimately responsible for that at some point, no matter what his background is, for his own destiny. We ALL are. We all make our own paths sooner or later and we make our own decisions to follow those paths. Life is full of many choices. Some people will always choose the wrong thing and never learn. That is simply the way it is and that is the life that they chose to lead.

Just stay the hell away from ALL online "opportunities" and stop wasting your time looking at them. I don't know how many other ways to communicate this to you.

giantkin
03-05-2011, 04:28 PM
Did you read my last two serious, well thought out posts to you? Have you digested at all what I am trying to tell you here? I have made a real and honest attempt now to reach you. Did any of it sink in at all?

You cannot save others, especially if you cannot save yourself. You cannot help others unless you have helped yourself. Something (most likely many things) got this kid into the situation that he is in. It didn't happen overnight and he is ultimately responsible for that at some point, no matter what his background is, for his own destiny. We ALL are. We all make our own paths sooner or later and we make our own decisions to follow those paths. Life is full of many choices. Some people will always choose the wrong thing and never learn. That is simply the way it is and that is the life that they chose to lead.

Just stay the hell away from ALL online "opportunities" and stop wasting your time looking at them. I don't know how many other ways to communicate this to you.

To both of you: Great responses.

I know that they arent worth the time, but he wants PROOF.

kids background: what he has told me: Father beat him with a 2x4, as he was running down the round (didnt return) cops show up. I dont know details. I assume(?) he talked to the police, left the area and moved near where I'm at.

I'm ok now. Things are going in the right direction for me. If slowly. Helping him would help myself, if he does his job.


One point I was unsure of, i reread what you posted (wishful) and I had totally reversed what you said, lol. Glad i reread that, before i posted. (probably happens alot, why ppl think im .....)

Talk soon.

g

giantkin
03-05-2011, 04:30 PM
Go and read Entertained's well known Black Box Test . It can be applied to any business off or on line. It is well worth the read and teaches you to ignore the "fluff" and the smoke and mirrors.

http://www.eagleresearchassociates.org/The-Black-Box-Method-of-Due-Diligence.php (http://www.eagleresearchassociates.org/The-Black-Box-Method-of-Due-Diligence.php)

Try it for size and you will learn to spot the scams for yourself.

Thanks, exactly what i was looking for. (or i hope it is, have to read it yet)

g

scratchycat
03-05-2011, 04:38 PM
I am asking about how to find details on the sites, so that I can pass that on.

How else to help others, but to share info.


Like i said, i am NOT joining anything that is an invest site. The paid to clicks, i am joining are only due to someone else i know, interested, and wants proof that what I say is true. (not worth the time)

Maybe im wrong, and they are worth the time, I dont see it.

I dont want to spend my time clicking a site, getting .0015 cents a day. I offered the kid a job, he is trying. He thinks that the paidtoclick sites can help him. While he sits in the library, etc. Kid is relative, he's now 21, homeless, cant find work. Seems like a decent enough kid. I hope he can do the job I put to him. (he is in a shelter near the city library, supposedly spending his time looking for work... but comes up with this ptc sht.)

Anyhow

It is a waste of time and effort. The only people you are helping is the owners by clicking sites so they can make money. You cannot get enough clicks to ever build up to the payment amount.

Best to stay away.

giantkin
03-05-2011, 04:44 PM
It is a waste of time and effort. The only people you are helping is the owners by clicking sites so they can make money. You cannot get enough clicks to ever build up to the payment amount.

Best to stay away.

Again: I know its a waste of time, but how to PROVE that to a kid with minimal education. I need to show him some kinda proof.

(that blackbox might be enough for him tho) Thanks again wish, i just finished reading it. bit technical for him, but maybe that will help.

g

okosh
03-06-2011, 02:06 AM
Sorry ya think my posts are drivel, ya can always skip over the posts, and just say whatever.

Actually I think you're really good at what you do....You've been here for a day....You've made 20 posts of absolute nonsence and managed to totally derail the thread in the process :RpS_thumbdn:

Mission accumplished at your end huh??.....

BTW...Any chance you could supply some Asprin with your posts :RpS_rolleyes:

path2prosperity
03-06-2011, 03:30 AM
Actually I think you're really good at what you do....You've been here for a day....You've made 20 posts of absolute nonsence and managed to totally derail the thread in the process :RpS_thumbdn:



He has derailed two threads "okosk". Kirk would not have run away, if he had not been involved with "cookie keener" and her past and present scams. I believed him when he said that he had no ties with "cookie."

Cookie and her associates set up the T.I.M.E. Money Management Group which started to grow like crazy at this stage. Kirk was furious about the growth of T.I.M.E when he had opened Income Portal for his members.

The long list of crooks who were given a great welcome there by her fellow associate "jackpop" includes Ken Russo and "wiseowl" T.I.M.E. Money Management Group • Members (http://trueincomeonline.com/forum/memberlist.php?sid=628a1248b3d8845702f1c0b6a5fbda3 2)

Kirk was a market trader and he did well when he worked as an off line junk merchant. He did pay his members with profits from these activities. Cookie is the online sales person whose affairs need intense scrutiny. Giantking could help naysayers with information on that matter.

A Life Aloft
03-06-2011, 03:48 AM
Quit making excuses for Kirk, defending him and blaming others, already. If people would stay away from scams, and stop looking for free rides in life and making money for nothing, they wouldn't be scammed in the first place and wouldn't be scamming others. Period. And quit believeing scammers. We get that you love him like your son and all but give it a fricking rest. And Giantking needs to help himself. Man, this is getting old. waiting for the idiotic carry on fulminating post next.

path2prosperity
03-06-2011, 03:48 AM
Actually I think you're really good at what you do....You've been here for a day....You've made 20 posts of absolute nonsence and managed to totally derail the thread in the process :RpS_thumbdn:



We may be able to get some sense out of giantking, if he will open a thread about his dealings with Brenda and her husband who had supposedly taken over her sites because she was dying of cancer. I know a lot about Brenda and I could supply very useful information to naysayers on that subject.

I can not remeber Brenda's married name or the names of her sites but it will come back to me when I have finished other things. Brenda's best friend "wiseowl" (The Krimm mod) is very well known to most of the TG bunch of naysayers. Brenda is not a well known person here or at TG.

A Life Aloft
03-06-2011, 04:21 AM
We may be able to get some sense out of giantking, if he will open a thread about his dealings with Brenda and her husband who had supposedly taken over her sites because she was dying of cancer. I know a lot about Brenda and I could supply very useful information to naysayers on that subject.
I hate to tell you this, but nobody really cares except you. "Naysayers" are not beating down the door here and demanding this info on Brenda. Do you see anyone here asking about Brenda or her husband? No one needs all these tiny details on these third rate scammers. It's suffcient to point out the reasons why HYIPS are scams and that has already been done ad nauseam. We don't need more pointless threads. THis stuff is old news/history. You have already posted about Brenda and Claude all over the internet on several forums. Been there done that. This is just more rehashing at this point. Here are some of your Brenda rants, they go on for many pages and I can post many more of them if I need to. Here is more on another forum by you about Benda and hubby Claude: 4by4daily - 4by4daily.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/4by4daily-4by4dailycom-t148502.html&st=30)

Here's more: MoneyMakerGroup [Powered by Invision Power Board] (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rkmmupwPS_cJ:www.moneymakergroup.co m/print.html%26client%3Dprinter%26f%3D145%26t%3D1485 02+path2prosperity+brenda+and+her+husband&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com)

and here you are defending Brenda Maple Life - maple-life.net - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r166603-.html)

06-04-2007, 10:17 AM
path2prosperity
Senior Investor Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW london
Posts: 469

Re: Maple Life - maple-life.net

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Brenda was a genuine victim. Bob stopped paying her. His son was a member of her surf and she kept her word to pay all members and paid some from her own credit cards.

Bob's son earned from her while his father conned Brenda for more money. She has her own forum and I strongly recommend members to join, if they want honest answers.

http://maple-life.net/forum/

and

06-02-2007, 09:17 PM
path2prosperity
Senior Investor Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW london
Posts: 469

Re: Maple Life - maple-life.net

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Brenda is the admin in whom I have the greatest trust. Long live Maple life and Canada's surf girl Brenda

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06-12-2007, 08:58 AM
path2prosperity
Senior Investor Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW london
Posts: 469

Re: Maple Life - maple-life.net

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Quote:
Originally Posted by VALDI05
Thanks for the update Edward. I'm worried about Gallant Ads. I hope it will not suffer as a result of the Maple crisis, its sister site.



There is no problem with Gallant Ads. I received a payment this morning. Claude did not use Tri-Star and he is making a great job as an admin of this site.

Brenda was swindled and humiliated by Krimm, in a way that was worse than any that I have heard of. Her friends and family donated money so that she could pay some lawyers fees which she needed for an emergency. They paid them to the Tri-Star processor. Bob did not send her the money donated to her to pay her lawyer.

When this was revealed and he was shamed, Bob sent her $10,000. Bob started boasting in his second video. He said that he had honoured debts to one surf admin who was in desperate need by paying Brenda out of his own pocket. He smirked and Bob and Todd plus other cronies all had a snigger about Bob's charitable donation to Brenda because of her desperate need and belittled her in a way that made people worried about joining her program.

This was the last straw as far as I was concerned. Krimm is filth and Brenda has the strength of character to keep going. Hats off to Brenda. She is getting Maple Life back on track but she can not pay members this month and most of them are not complaining. they know her story and will stick by her.



Same old story.......defending the scammers, joining the scammers, befriending the scammers, joining in and promoting the scammers and their scams, being involved in scams, and then ooops I am now against the scammers and then repeating the same thing all over the internet. Rinse, lather and repeat. Sheesh

15hitsdaily - 15hitsdaily.com - Page 381 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93022&page=381)

A Life Aloft
03-06-2011, 04:29 AM
This was on your own site:

Crime Victims. It Rains on The Just and The Unjust.

Financial and biological predators are a necessary evil. All of us will end up as fodder for the decay bacteria in our gut. The best that we can do is to avoid or build up a resistance to all known germs, viruses, plagues, snakes and sharks. These species exist in the cyberspace jungle and the same rules apply. We have to develop the right mix of compassion and ambivalence to victims of financial predators. However there are always victims who appear more deserving than others and here is a case to illustrate the point.

Brenda Gallant is a disabled person with four children. She ran a paid to surf program which was a high risk endeavour. Brenda’s reputation for honesty and integrity to her members knew no bounds. When she was hacked, she compensated people, who had entrusted her with their funds from her own credit cards and started again. Many people earned from her new program and it looked as if Brenda’s loyal members were on to a winning streak. She became a victim of one of the most vicious asset strippers in Internet history but she continued to pay her members. Disaster struck once again for Brenda. Her husband lost his job and she received more bad news about her own health. She was unable to pay her members everything that she owed them from her paid surf site this time but she has handed over the management and daily administration of her surf sites to her husband Claude and they have promised to issue refunds. Brenda is concentrating on the work that she really loves to earn money for herself and others afflicted with similar heath problems as her own.

Brenda is not asking for donations. She is selling hand made crafted goods, which are bound to be of interest to anybody who realises that Christmas is around the corner. Her amazing talent has to be seen to be believed. If you want to peruse Brenda’s site or order any of her hand made goods, scroll down the page on her screen and you will find the contact address on the left hand side.

If anybody is considering a foray into the paid to surf arena and would like to learn the game rules, there is no better place to start than Brenda’s Maple Life site of her husband Claude’s GallantAds.

Judy Hortin. Webmaster path2prosperity.com. Contact Judy Hortin
Publisher and Editor. Path2prosperity News. Subscribe


and yet more:

http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/590872/ARTANDCRAFTSWAYSTOADVERTISEANDSELLYOURWORK/10.aspx

I don't get how you cannot remember her last name or her sites, since you have been posting about her for years now. So have we pretty much covered Brenda and we can all move on? lol

path2prosperity
03-06-2011, 04:42 AM
Quit making excuses for Kirk.

You can carry on fulminating to your heart's content. Kirk is history. Okosh cornered him. You may have been effective helping to break some scams but you have failed in your attempt to prove that I am a scammer so all I will ever have to say to you is "carry on fulminating"

giantkin
03-06-2011, 09:18 AM
Actually I think you're really good at what you do....You've been here for a day....You've made 20 posts of absolute nonsence and managed to totally derail the thread in the process :RpS_thumbdn:

Mission accumplished at your end huh??.....

BTW...Any chance you could supply some Asprin with your posts :RpS_rolleyes:


Sorry. I didnt mean to derail the topic. Just commented, and asked for guidance...and got it. Moving on. Thanks.

(no aspirin needed)

2 threads?

littleroundman
03-06-2011, 11:03 AM
You can carry on fulminating to your heart's content. Kirk is history. Okosh cornered him. You may have been effective helping to break some scams but you have failed in your attempt to prove that I am a scammer so all I will ever have to say to you is "carry on fulminating"

What sort of nonsense game are you playing here ???

Your own words are being used to show you continually support fraud and fraudsters.

ALA has posted example after example of you playing out your very own autosurf soap opera existence on the 'net.

No one's saying you're a scammer, just that you have posted and continue to post absolute nonsense in an attempt to show serial scammers in a good light.

I have never seen so many sob stories involving terminal illness, disabled mothers, scammers who are victims and victims who are scammers and good hearted people who've accidentally run multiple fraudulent autosurfs all collected together under the same banner.

It's like and episode of Jerry Springer Meets Days of Our Lives, except the writers of soap operas don't try and make anyone believe it's real.

It's a bloody con, Judy,

the whole damned "industry" is a con.

There's NO poor li'l disabled people trying to eke out an honest living by running an autosurf and there's no dumb but innocent struggling small businessman supplementing simply trying to feed his 97 starving children by running 5 or 6 autosurfs on the side.

path2prosperity
03-06-2011, 11:30 AM
What sort of nonsense game are you playing here ???
Your own words are being used to show you continually support fraud and fraudsters.
the whole damned "industry" is a con.


I have supported some people whom I sincerely believed to be vicims in the past but I have become a naysayer and your comment that I support frauds and fraudsters now, is utter rubbish.

ALA's comment about my belief in Brenda was dated 06-12-2007, 08:58 AM

Seriously?
03-06-2011, 11:37 AM
I have supported some people whom I believed to be vicims on the past but I have become a naysayer and your comment that I support frauds and fraudsters now is utter rubbish.

Are you really trying to raise ALA's blood pressure? The next explosion I hear is going to be the top of his head coming off.

A Life Aloft
03-06-2011, 12:00 PM
You can carry on fulminating to your heart's content. Kirk is history. Okosh cornered him. You may have been effective helping to break some scams but you have failed in your attempt to prove that I am a scammer so all I will ever have to say to you is "carry on fulminating"I never said you were a scammer. You have however, promoted scams, refuse to see scams for what they are, you have joined many of them and you defend scammers and make excuses for them. You are basically full of ****! Is that simple enough for your feeble mind to undertstand? If not, get a damn interpreter! You are a liar, in deep denial, delusional and your constant insane contradictions speak for themselves!

What I am saying is that you are simply a complete and total fruitcake who has gone round the bend a long time ago and that you have no credibility whatsoever. You have pretty much proven that all by yourself on countless forums and blogs all over the internet and for a very long time now. You are a drama queen and an attention whore, besides just being plain crazy!

BTW dear, WTF is up with you and your “fulminating” fixation? I knew that was coming sooner rather than later. At least you’re consistent! LMAO

And as I stated Judy, everytime you start one of your famous nutball rants, the same exact rants that you have pulled for years all over every forum you have ever been a member of, I will be here. Get some meds or knock this crap off! Comprende?

A Life Aloft
03-06-2011, 03:22 PM
I have supported some people whom I sincerely believed to be vicims in the past but I have become a naysayer and your comment that I support frauds and fraudsters now, is utter rubbish.ALA's comment about my belief in Brenda was dated 06-12-2007, 08:58 AM

Oh baloney! For example you have defended Kirk here all this week and did it again just yesterday! The you claim that you don't? Your posts are here and everyone has read them! Then you try and act like it's your writing style which is more b.s. This is just crazy making! Ever see the movie Gaslight? How many ways, how many times, can how many people tell you the same thing Judy, before the lightbulb goes on and you tell the truth and accept the truth?

laidback
07-01-2012, 11:55 AM
Looks like Kirk has another scam limping along, in the closed "hybrid" folder at MMG: U Loan Us - U-loan-us.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Loan-loan-uscom-t382091.html&gopid=7091361#entry7091361)

path2prosperity
07-01-2012, 12:19 PM
Looks like Kirk has another scam limping along, in the closed "hybrid" folder at MMG: U Loan Us - U-loan-us.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Loan-loan-uscom-t382091.html&gopid=7091361#entry7091361)

Kirk opened a new forum several months ago. It is hard to believe that he is still playing around with a bunch of idiots that have taken him for a ride before, like "Sydney," "Mutt," "Terry The ******" and "Cookie Keener." I do not recognise any of the names in his new community but some of you may.

Kirk's Community. (http://mycash-network.com/join?code=eyJpbnZpdGVycyI6WzNdLCJyZXF1ZXN0SWRzIjpb IjE4MzE5MDczMTc5NTI0MCIsIjI2MjY4MTM0MDQ4MTgxNCJdfQ %3D%3D)

path2prosperity
07-01-2012, 12:27 PM
Looks like Kirk has another scam limping along, in the closed "hybrid" folder at MMG: U Loan Us - U-loan-us.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Loan-loan-uscom-t382091.html&gopid=7091361#entry7091361)

I can't be bothered to read the thread that you recommended "laidback" because one glance and I smell a "Terry The Banker Rat" . I thought this sewer rat amd his prodgeny had been exterminated.

laidback
07-01-2012, 11:09 PM
I can't be bothered to read the thread that you recommended "laidback" because one glance and I smell a "Terry The Banker Rat" . I thought this sewer rat amd his prodgeny had been exterminated.
It's a whopping eight post Judy, hardly a prodigious endeavor unless you are reading challenged...The point is that this so-called loan operation is supposedly making money by loaning to Kirk's scrap business...!

littleroundman
07-01-2012, 11:40 PM
It's a whopping eight post Judy, hardly a prodigious endeavor unless you are reading challenged...The point is that this so-called loan operation is supposedly making money by loaning to Kirk's scrap business...!

"SUPPOSEDLY" being the operative word.

12% per month PROFIT from a scrap business..........yeah.........RIGHT.

Theakston has relegated himself to the "admin for HYIP ponzi players only" ranks with this one.

path2prosperity
07-02-2012, 04:15 AM
It's a whopping eight post Judy, hardly a prodigious endeavor unless you are reading challenged...The point is that this so-called loan operation is supposedly making money by loaning to Kirk's scrap business...!

Thanks for the reminder to be less easily inflamed "laidback." I have swallowed my dose of "humble pie" for today.