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scratchycat
02-19-2011, 05:19 PM
This was posted in Adland and makes me very suspicious...

"Join up to Level 3 or higher & I'll help you advertise until you qualify to earn on the levels you joined!

This business pays daily 100% commissions, up to $1,838 per signup, and many members are earning over $1,000 per day, including me...just from posting ads online!

I joined up to Level 3 at the end of June and was qualified up to Level 2 within a couple weeks, and then Level 3 about a couple weeks later, so I was earning lots of $97's and $47's all thru July that added up to $2,600 so a lot of money came in before I qualified on Level 3. I upgraded to 4 & 5 as soon as I got qualified on Level 2 during the beginning of July, before I got any signups for Level 3. Then it took me about another month to qualify on 4 & 5 and I also earned around $5,000 in August just from 1, 2 & 3 income.
I earned about $8,500 in September, and over $15,000 in October, and several thousands more in November, December, January...

...and I just earned $3,370 yesterday on February 9th!

I'm around $50,000 in just about 7 months since I got my first payment on July 7th. That can put my income near or at $100,000 by the end of my first 12 months this upcoming summer 2011!

I had days in August over $750 and days in September over $1,000 and many days since October between $2,000 to nearly $4,000. Not every day, but many days.

It's recommended to start with 2 & 3, because you won't earn much from just being in Level 1.

For your $10 monthly you get 3 sites and you can also use the EZ Wealth Mailer to contact all your tour-takers and resellers, that's a great deal because later you'll have a lot of people, I have over 150 payliners earning lots of money for me and for themselves. My sponsor has been in for 2 years and has thousands of tour-takers and hundreds of resellers.

We also contact tour-takers by personal email the same day they take the tour."

If it is too good to be true...

Feedback welcomed.

Unsaved Trash
02-19-2011, 05:43 PM
This was posted in Adland and makes me very suspicious...

If it is too good to be true...

Feedback welcomed.

I don't mean to be harsh, but come on!

1. Generic website promising the world.
2. EZ Wealth Solution? The name itself says more than needed.
3. Ron Walsh - Google the douchebag.
4. "Our product will make you wealthy."
5. You saw it advertised where? Enough said.
Etc.

scratchycat
02-19-2011, 09:54 PM
I don't mean to be harsh, but come on!

1. Generic website promising the world.
2. EZ Wealth Solution? The name itself says more than needed.
3. Ron Walsh - Google the douchebag.
4. "Our product will make you wealthy."
5. You saw it advertised where? Enough said.
Etc.

Okay, culprit, Kathleen VanBeekom on Adland. Do you believe it? I have no proof. She also advertises on Facebook.

So many people are taken in by this, if you know please expose it.

Unsaved Trash
02-19-2011, 11:20 PM
Okay, culprit, Kathleen VanBeekom on Adland. Do you believe it? I have no proof. She also advertises on Facebook.

So many people are taken in by this, if you know please expose it.

I thought I just did expose it for what it is. If you actually think there is any hope to this scam, then by all means send in your money and report back. Like I said previously, do a search on the system and founder. Or would you prefer I invest my own money and report back to you on it?

path2prosperity
02-20-2011, 02:13 AM
I thought that I epitomised irritability with those who were a bit naive to this scam busting business but I certainly have a peer in that respect. Honestme has come out of the Adlandpro community, which has taken a great deal of courage, and you speak to her as if she is some low down pimp.

It hurts when you have been a member of an online community and made friends and you discover that the community has become corrupt. I know that very well because I was a member of TalkGold and had good friends in that community.

I sincerely hope that you will learn to button your lip. People who have been scammed and learned this to their chagrin, are very vulnerable.

Unsaved Trash
02-20-2011, 02:36 AM
I thought that I epitomised irritability with those who were a bit naive to this scam busting business but I certainly have a peer in that respect. Honestme has come out of the Adlandpro community, which has taken a great deal of courage, and you speak to her as if she is some low down pimp.

What? She asked if EZ Wealth Solution was a scam and then argues with me. Of course it's a scam. I pointed out all of the red flags and then I'm asked for proof.


It hurts when you have been a member of an online community and made friends and you discover that the community has become corrupt. I know that very well because I was a member of TalkGold and had good friends in that community.

Oh really? Well I was a moderator at scam.com and learned quite a bit while there, watched it turn into a shithole with an owner that put a scammer, weasel, liar, and serial MLM "guru" as an admin and ruined the site entirely. Then he began promoting porn on the site, so I think I can speak for online communities where people were damaged and they lost the majority of their decent members. That is why this site was created.


I sincerely hope that you will learn to button your lip. People who have been scammed and learned this to their chagrin, are very vulnerable.

These people who have been scammed and continue to be scammed aren't vulnerable, they're gullible and looking for something that doesn't exist, mainly free money without the work. I have no compassion for people that go from gullible to stupid.

Aren't you the one that actually believed that Landover Baptist was a real church with demon ministers defrauding the public? Didn't you read the site? You're easily fooled and it isn't a British "thing." And yes, I've been to the UK more than once and I can personally guarantee you that the majority in the UK knows the difference between humor (humour) and truth. Get a grip!

path2prosperity
02-20-2011, 02:47 AM
Okay, culprit, Kathleen VanBeekom on Adland. Do you believe it? I have no proof. She also advertises on Facebook.

So many people are taken in by this, if you know please expose it.

Hello HM,

Please ignore the previous poster who is not typical of people who post here.

Most of us here know that the EZ family of scams have been around for a long time. The first in was EZ Surf or EZSurfandEarn. I am not sure. They were all run by a husband and wife team known as Jason and Stacy.

They started long before the big cons like VLane, BobKrimmn, Nickers Smirnow and Andy Bowdoin. EZ is listed as a scam on TalkGold where sadly, anything goes now.

I have seen Kathleen Von Beenkom flying the EZflag at Adlandpro for a long time but she is unlikely to gain much support for her cause as the best Adlandpro scammers spend years building profiles of themselves as kind supportive people with everybody's interests at heart. Kathleen is known as such an aggressive and unpleasant person that her endorsment of any program recommended over there, is counter productive.

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 02:49 AM
I thought that I epitomised irritability with those who were a bit naive to this scam busting business but I certainly have a peer in that respect. Honestme has come out of the Adlandpro community, which has taken a great deal of courage, and you speak to her as if she is some low down pimp.

It hurts when you have been a member of an online community and made friends and you discover that the community has become corrupt. I know that very well because I was a member of TalkGold and had good friends in that community.

I sincerely hope that you will learn to button your lip. People who have been scammed and learned this to their chagrin, are very vulnerable.Whoa. That was rather harsh don't you think? First of all, "online community"? It's the fricking internet. Unless you actually know the people outside of the net, you really do not know them at all. Anyone can pretend to be or seem to be anything. "Friends" on the internet are nothing like friends in real life. Being honest and direct is in no way "treating someone like a low down pimp" either. I am not sure how you got that outta of NMH's post or what the hell that even means. Then you are telling him, a poster who has been a member here from the begining to "button his lip"? Wow. That was incredibly rude. He along with SBM were Mods and members of Scam for many years and we all know one another pretty well. He didn't deserve that reaction at all.

Many internet forums go to crap for various reasons, let's face it. It happens all the time. Or they change and people come and go and the direction changes. So what? It's certainly not the end of the universe when that happens is it? It's the internet, not your personal life and not "real" relationships such as you have in your personal life. It's online entertainment, fun, sharing, learning or whatever. What "courage" exactly does it take to leave any forum and join another one? This all sounds really overly melodramatic to me. If people have that much invested in online forums, then maybe they need to get a life. A real life. Also if people have been scammed in the past then why do they keep persuing other scams and similar b.s. opportunities? Real legit jobs, careers, education, working and actually earning money out of the question? It's all get rich quick bogus schemes?

Frankly, anyone who could read such b.s. drivel as:

"joined up to Level 3 at the end of June and was qualified up to Level 2 within a couple weeks, and then Level 3 about a couple weeks later, so I was earning lots of $97's and $47's all thru July that added up to $2,600 so a lot of money came in before I qualified on Level 3. I upgraded to 4 & 5 as soon as I got qualified on Level 2 during the beginning of July, before I got any signups for Level 3. Then it took me about another month to qualify on 4 & 5 and I also earned around $5,000 in August just from 1, 2 & 3 income.
I earned about $8,500 in September, and over $15,000 in October, and several thousands more in November, December, January...

...and I just earned $3,370 yesterday on February 9th!

I'm around $50,000 in just about 7 months since I got my first payment on July 7th. That can put my income near or at $100,000 by the end of my first 12 months this upcoming summer 2011!"

and then wants to know if this is true, has much larger issues. Common sense alone would dictate that these claims are crap. Why would anyone in their right mind believe this garbage? That's the real problem.

A quick search of ten seonds brings up all sorts of complaints and info about EZwealth including:

EZWealthSolution is newest ponzi (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=114623)

Scams and More Scams: Personal Powerline is a SCAM! Also called EZ Wealth Solution (http://morescams.blogspot.com/2009/03/personal-powerline-is-scam-also-called.html)

EZ Wealth Solution Complaints - Scam (http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/ez-wealth-solution-c166415.html)

and there are dozens of more links. It's been exposed in doaens of places all over the net.

This isn't life or death, it's the internet. Take a chill pill.

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 02:54 AM
Hello HM,

Please ignore the previous poster who is not typical of people who post here.

You just insulted NMH yet again! What is your problem exactly? He is very well respected and liked by many long time members on here and on Scam, when we were all there together and he was a wonderful Mod on there. BTW, since you just joined here a month ago how would you know what a "typical poster" is on here? Maybe we should just start ignoring you and your pissy little attitude, which needs a serious adjustment. Cripes.

path2prosperity
02-20-2011, 03:06 AM
What? She asked if EZ Wealth Solution was a scam and then argues with me.



She did not argue with you. She offered evidence to back up her view that EZ was a scam. The fact that you were a moderator at Scam.com is not a qualification in scam busting. There are plenty of us who did not inhabit that place. She has every right to question your findings and conclusions.

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 03:17 AM
She did not argue with you. She offered evidence to back up her view that EZ was a scam. The fact that you were a moderator at Scam.com is not a qualification in scam busting. There are plenty of us who did not inhabit that place. She has every right to question your findings and conclusions.What "evidence" did she post exactly? She merely copied and pasted some bogus claims and stated that they made here suspicious. Well no kidding. Ya think? She then asked for feedback, which she honestly got and it was not rude at all, unlike your posts. And then she asked for others to expose it. Read her posts again. There are "qualifications" (that is beyond common sense, intelligence and being able to research on the internet, have proven good anti-scam sources and have critical thinking skills) for scambusting? Are you serious? "Plenty of you didn't inhabit that place"? And that means what exactly? What is that supposed to mean?

path2prosperity
02-20-2011, 03:20 AM
You just insulted NMH yet again!

Who is NMH?

littleroundman
02-20-2011, 03:23 AM
It hurts when you have been a member of an online community and made friends and you discover that the community has become corrupt. I know that very well because I was a member of TalkGold and had good friends in that community.

Uhh,

I think I can see your problem right there.

"has become corrupt" ????

You didn't know it was corrupt all along ???

You didn't know it was setup to BE corrupt ????

Whether you like to believe it or not, Judy, that statement only goes to show why it is that many naysayers continue to do what they do.

You present as a reasonably savvy 'net user and knowledgeable in the ways of the world, yet, here you are proving exactly how it is that otherwise "smart" people can be fooled.

Talkgold has been HYIP headquarters since day 1.

You could count the number of "real" businesses which have appeared on Talkgold over its' existence on one hand.

Even if you'd lost 3 fingers in an accident, you'd STILL be able to count Talkgolds' list of legitimate "opportunities" on that hand.

For goodness' sakes, Judy, wake up and get a grip on reality.

HYIP ponzis and "autosurfs" are illegal and, what's more, NONE as in nil, zip, zero, zilch of them is "REAL" (http://m-w.info/dictionary/knowledgeable)

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 03:23 AM
Who is NMH?Unsaved Trash. NMH (No Moron Here) was his screen name on Scam and it just pops into my head after so long on there with him and the other core group from there. Sorry for the confusion, but it should have been obvious who I was speaking about. The member you unjustly tore into on here? That ring a bell? lol

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 03:25 AM
For goodness' sakes, Judy, wake up and get a grip on reality.

Geez, I am glad that somebody else said that! lmao

littleroundman
02-20-2011, 03:26 AM
BTW, for "Talkgold" in my post, you could as easily substitute "Adland" or MMG or MCF or.... or, and..........................

NONE of them are legitimate.

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 03:30 AM
BTW, for "Talkgold" in my post, you could as easily substitute "Adland" or MMG or MCF or.... or, and..........................

NONE of them are legitimate.Hard to imagine that anyone thinks/believes that they are. Good grief. But then thinking Landover is real and having a rant about it, explains much. Gad. You gotta love the net. Where else can you get entertainment like this?

path2prosperity
02-20-2011, 03:43 AM
Uhh,

HYIP ponzis and "autosurfs" are illegal and, what's more, NONE as in nil, zip, zero, zilch of them is "REAL" (http://m-w.info/dictionary/knowledgeable)

I am well aware of that fact. I have been a TalkGold naysayer for years. I have also slated the scammers on WLD but I did not join the "revered scam.com group. " I have brought members into this community who like myself did not relate to that group.

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 03:48 AM
I am well aware of that fact. I have been a TalkGold naysayer for years. I have also slated the scammers on WLD but I did not join the "revered scam.com group. " I have brought members into this community who like myself did not relate to that group.Who ever said that Scam.com was revered? I would call it many things, but "revered" certainly was never one of them. lmao

path2prosperity
02-20-2011, 04:03 AM
Who ever said that Scam.com was revered? I would call it many things, but "revered" certainly was never one of them. lmao

I did not like that community and had no desire to join it. I like the people whom I have befriended as naysayers on TalkGold and I will continue to expose scams here unless I am expected to cow tow to people who I have never encountered on some other forum of which I was not a member.

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 04:18 AM
I did not like that community and had no desire to join it. I like the people whom I have befriended as naysayers on TalkGold and I will continue to expose scams here unless I am expected to cow tow to people who I have never encountered on some other forum of which I was not a member.Man, you do have an attitude issue. No one cares where you or any of us came from. No one cares if you or anyone else liked Scam.com or not. No ones cares who you or who any of us likes on here. None of that is the point and has nothing whatsoever to do regarding your behavior towards Unsaved Trash tonight. And if you think being rude, obnoxious, out to lunch and insulting to another well liked long time member here is a positive thing, I'd re-think that position if I were you, dear. Cow tow??? WTF? Where did that come from? Why do I hear the theme from the Twilight Zone playing? You are assuming much and way off the track with continued comments such as that. You have a lot of nerve speaking to him like that when he was not even responding to you in the first place, when he had done nothing wrong, and then telling someone else to ignore him along with the rest of your outlandish comments to him and about him. As already suggested, get a grip on reality already. Is this your idea of making friends and getting to know people on here? Everyone is welcome here, but seriously, take a look at what you did tonight and your comments and try to learn from that. Expose away, post away, but treating another original well liked member of this forum as you just did is really uncalled for. See if you can at least comprehend and recognize that much. The last thing we need or want on here is drama. Sheesh. BTW, If his posting style and thoughts or mine or anyone's elses are not your cup of tea, feel free to use the ignore feature. I may be using it soon myself at this rate.




why is it that I feel the gene pool deteriorating right before my tiny eyes?

scratchycat
02-20-2011, 11:07 AM
Whoa, whoa, whoa!!! For goodness sakes folks! I haven't finished reading this entire thing yet and I had no idea this would cause a world war! Geez, everyone chill out! Since this is apparently a total ripoff (EZ Wealth) why isn't something being done about it??? That is my question. Is it under investigation or NOT! My UK friend was just trying to protect me and I was not here to stop this dribble. Please folks don't fight amongst yourselves. I did ask for feedback because I believe it is a scam and this person, possibly others are posting this everywhere online. Can any of you help get it stopped or I want to know if it has been reported?

Now could everyone go back to your seats and count to 100. I am not offended Unsaved Trash and you have confirmed what I already believed. It is just that I want to help alert others about these scams and was asking for the help of this community to expose it. I am not a victim of this scam. In fact, I have had run-ins with Kathleen and she has been banned as a friend both in Adland and Facebook and in our Adlanders in Facebook. She has a LOT of "friends"/suckers on her list. We need to work together to bring down this type of internet scum.

Sorry to have caused trouble with my first forum topic. Do I get a slap on the wrist or banishment?

Go easy on Judy, she is not feeling well and thinks she has the flu.

scratchycat
02-20-2011, 11:10 AM
I thought I just did expose it for what it is. If you actually think there is any hope to this scam, then by all means send in your money and report back. Like I said previously, do a search on the system and founder. Or would you prefer I invest my own money and report back to you on it?

Mr. Unwanted Trash, I am a newbie here. I appreciate your response as I asked for it. What I want to know is what is being done about it?

littleroundman
02-20-2011, 11:22 AM
Quite probably nothing.

It is only one of many thousands of these beasts in existence on the 'net at any one time.

Which is precisely why forums such as this exist.

Consider these factoids:

The USA has a current population of 320 million + people.

The Securities and Exchange Commission has a staff of around 3,500

The Federal Trade Commission has 5 commissioners and around 1000 employees.

There are approximately 13,500 FBI special agents, which represents around 40% of all FBI employees.

Talkgold alone lists more than 3,000 HYIPs at any one time.





Need I say more ?????

scratchycat
02-20-2011, 11:41 AM
What "evidence" did she post exactly? She merely copied and pasted some bogus claims and stated that they made here suspicious. Well no kidding. Ya think? She then asked for feedback, which she honestly got and it was not rude at all, unlike your posts. And then she asked for others to expose it. Read her posts again. There are "qualifications" (that is beyond common sense, intelligence and being able to research on the internet, have proven good anti-scam sources and have critical thinking skills) for scambusting? Are you serious? "Plenty of you didn't inhabit that place"? And that means what exactly? What is that supposed to mean?

ALA, why don't you just speak to me and tell me how stupid you think I am? This was a post in a forum in a community that I am a member of and if it is totally untrue and SCAM/FRAUD, I would like proof that it has been reported and action being taken on it. For this reason, so that I can alert more people with FACTS.

Yes, I do internet searches, I keep updates on as many scam sights as I can. FBI, US SEC, Recovery.gov, IC3, Stop Fraud, just to name a few. This is the first scam-busting community I have joined. So far, I have not found what I am looking for to expose this and Fortune 2x2.

Since all of you seem to have been doing it for centuries, please bare with me while I learn what all of you know so well.

Could we all shake hands, make up and get back to business? I will just do some reading and not post anymore for a while.:RpS_ohmy:

scratchycat
02-20-2011, 11:49 AM
Quite probably nothing.

It is only one of many thousands of these beasts in existence on the 'net at any one time.

Which is precisely why forums such as this exist.

Consider these factoids:

The USA has a current population of 320 million + people.

The Securities and Exchange Commission has a staff of around 3,500

The Federal Trade Commission has 5 commissioners and around 1000 employees.

There are approximately 13,500 FBI special agents, which represents around 40% of all FBI employees.

Talkgold alone lists more than 3,000 HYIPs at any one time.





Need I say more ?????

Thank you, LRM, I appreciate that. What more can be done? Should more of us report these scams until we get the attention needed? As I have stated, I am new at this and would like to learn how we can do more to clean up this scum. My friend Judy asked me to join this community and I have great respect for her. She may come on brisk and brunt at times but she has a kind heart. Which, I might add seems to be rare in this world anymore.:RpS_sad:

littleroundman
02-20-2011, 12:01 PM
Thank you, LRM, I appreciate that. What more can be done? Should more of us report these scams until we get the attention needed? As I have stated, I am new at this and would like to learn how we can do more to clean up this scum. My friend Judy asked me to join this community and I have great respect for her. She may come on brisk and brunt at times but she has a kind heart. Which, I might add seems to be rare in this world anymore.:RpS_sad:

IM(very)HO, that's exactly what needs to be done.

baylee
02-20-2011, 01:10 PM
I have started doing just that. I report them to IC3. I also know that the NFA is very responsive to inquires that I have made to them. Unfortunately as LRM says there are so many scams and so few resources and authorities.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
02-20-2011, 01:57 PM
First of all, thanks to HM for posting this thread. Now there is another site where possible future victims can google to get information on this scam. THAT is, I understood, the first objective of this forum. If we dont write about them, then people wont find the information.

Secondly, having been a member of the Glee Club that was AdlandPro, I want to make the following comments.

It was the first internet forum I ever joined and I didnt know anything about "network marketing". I took everything at face value, including the "friendships" and like many others, thought I was part of one big happy family. Rough talk ain't allowed there. lol

I had no idea about the scams and corruption on the internet. I had no idea that forums like TG, MMG etc even existed and when I found them later on, was shocked at the brutal way people wrote. lol

In adland, nothing unfavorable ever gets published about programs because the threads are "owned" by their promoters.

Although I knew about MLMs and never liked them, I had never heard of autosurfs and joined one (ASD) because a "good and trusted friend" at AdlandPro invited me and it sounded good. I even thought it was an advertising company and became a "believer". (Prior to that I had promoted a social forum, just like Honestme, as my contribution to that "community" and had never taken part in any of the programs)

I am delighted that HM has braved the big bad world of anti scam forums to post here, but would beg and plead all who respond to new members who are not scam busters and who are just discovering the world of scams around, to be gentle with them.

Amongst those who lambasted me when I promoted ASD, there were also a few who took the time and patience to educate me. They turned me into a newbie scam buster and for that I thank them.

It is far too easy to belittle or lose patience with someone who is only just starting out on the road of discovery about scams. In fact, having seen it all before, it is sometimes hard to believe that people can still fall for them and posters can be scathing without intending to.

The truth is that the road to discovery almost always involves the sad realization that some of your "internet friends" are not your friends. It also shows one a side of internet life that you didnt believe existed before.

Judy has jumped to the defence of a friend who she brought over here and who is just beginning the road of discovery. Whilst I suspect that HM is well capable of standing up for herself, it is hoped that other gentle souls and innocents will follow her over here from AdlandPro to find out that they are being asked to join operations which at best will lose them money and at worse make them criminally liable. Please lets not frighten them off. :RpS_smile:

path2prosperity
02-20-2011, 02:31 PM
Thank you for standing up for me "honestme." I hope that this skirmish has blown over because we have the basis of a good team here. The founders have done a great job and they have to accept that they are respected but that they need new blood for this forum to suceed and grow.

I hope that you will not be put off posting as your knowledge of who is who in Adland far exceeds mine and from my point of view, you are a very important member.

I am new to the community but I have introduced at least four new members. If some existing members feel that I should be regarded as second rate that is fair enough but if the forum becomes an oligarcy, the future is very bleak indeed.

When a bunch of hens from one hen house are let into another feathers fly and the pecking order changes. I am more comfortable with members from Adland andTalkGold than those who came from scam.com but I have no desire to make enemies with any of them.

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 02:41 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa!!! For goodness sakes folks! I haven't finished reading this entire thing yet and I had no idea this would cause a world war! Geez, everyone chill out! Since this is apparently a total ripoff (EZ Wealth) why isn't something being done about it??? That is my question. Is it under investigation or NOT! My UK friend was just trying to protect me and I was not here to stop this dribble. Please folks don't fight amongst yourselves. I did ask for feedback because I believe it is a scam and this person, possibly others are posting this everywhere online. Can any of you help get it stopped or I want to know if it has been reported?

Now could everyone go back to your seats and count to 100. I am not offended Unsaved Trash and you have confirmed what I already believed. It is just that I want to help alert others about these scams and was asking for the help of this community to expose it. I am not a victim of this scam. In fact, I have had run-ins with Kathleen and she has been banned as a friend both in Adland and Facebook and in our Adlanders in Facebook. She has a LOT of "friends"/suckers on her list. We need to work together to bring down this type of internet scum.

Sorry to have caused trouble with my first forum topic. Do I get a slap on the wrist or banishment?

Go easy on Judy, she is not feeling well and thinks she has the flu.YOU didn't cause or do anything wrong, so don't think that you did. That is not the case at all here and I think that's pretty obvious. This isn't your fault either, so don't worry. You have done nothing to even worry about, let alone punished. lol You are fine. This isn't that kinda of place. I don't care if Judy has Leptospirosis. She was way out of line and completely wrong to do what she did. That's the issue with the internet and some people's behavior. We are all grown-ups supposedly and can behave as such in the future and take care of ourselves. Hopefully this won't happen again, but then that would be up to her.

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 02:58 PM
ALA, why don't you just speak to me and tell me how stupid you think I am? This was a post in a forum in a community that I am a member of and if it is totally untrue and SCAM/FRAUD, I would like proof that it has been reported and action being taken on it. For this reason, so that I can alert more people with FACTS.

Yes, I do internet searches, I keep updates on as many scam sights as I can. FBI, US SEC, Recovery.gov, IC3, Stop Fraud, just to name a few. This is the first scam-busting community I have joined. So far, I have not found what I am looking for to expose this and Fortune 2x2.

Since all of you seem to have been doing it for centuries, please bare with me while I learn what all of you know so well.

Could we all shake hands, make up and get back to business? I will just do some reading and not post anymore for a while.:RpS_ohmy:Here we go again, more drama and more way off base comments. What is with the drama queen behavior here? Did I remotely say anything about you being "stupid"? No I did not, nor did I infer that you are. Where do you get that from and why did you just say that? WTF? I was speaking to Prosperity and to her alone since she was causing a little uneeded and unfounded soap opera here and I was responding to what she stated and because she was way out of line with her rude comments to another long time member here. Period. You were not even here. This had nothing to do with you actually. It had to do with her. Comprende? I am pretty sick of the exaggerated comments, and the lack of comprehension in reading what people are actually saying, and then the drama queen responses here, and such childish behavior, frankly. No one said they had been busting scams for centuries either. I have no clue as to why some people here are making such ridiculous statements and comebacks and cannot seem to grasp what others are saying and making mountains out of molehills and picking on other long time members, but seriously, this behavior needs to stop. Again, we don't need drama and little pissing matches. I don't know how much more clear to make that.

It's over, let's all move on. It's the internet. This is just a forum. Nothing is that important to be getting so nuts over. Try and get to know people here instead of taking offense when they said nothing for anyone to take offense over and don't put meaning into someone's posts that they did not intend or even say and then accuse them of saying something that they did not. That is just silly and not a very good way to communicate is it? Everyone calm down and get a grip. This is all getting way to carried away and off base and shouldn't be. Cripes.

path2prosperity
02-20-2011, 03:00 PM
I don't care if Judy has Leptospirosis. She was way out of line and completely wrong to do what she did. That's the issue with the internet and some people's behavior. We are all grown-ups supposedly and can behave as such in the future and take care of ourselves. Hopefully this won't happen again, but then that would be up to her.

I will most certainly do the same again. If a loudmouthed member like Unsaved Trash casts aspersions on another member.

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 03:10 PM
Thank you for standing up for me "honestme." I hope that this skirmish has blown over because we have the basis of a good team here. The founders have done a great job and they have to accept that they are respected but that they need new blood for this forum to suceed and grow.

I hope that you will not be put off posting as your knowledge of who is who in Adland far exceeds mine and from my point of view, you are a very important member.

I am new to the community but I have introduced at least four new members. If some existing members feel that I should be regarded as second rate that is fair enough but if the forum becomes an oligarcy, the future is very bleak indeed.

When a bunch of hens from one hen house are let into another feathers fly and the pecking order changes. I am more comfortable with members from Adland andTalkGold than those who came from scam.com but I have no desire to make enemies with any of them.Again what is with this kinda of comment? This is not life and death for cripes sake! It's a simple little internet forum! Everyone is welcome here, it doesn't matter if you know them or are less comfortable with them or not. This is not any of the forums that you have been on previously and there are many other members here that you obviously do not know and you and others will have to cope and deal with that. Any forum that you go to on the net will be like that, be different and have many more members that you don't know. That's reality. Get to know people that you don't know that you were not on other forums with, otherwise you won't know practically anyone here. lol We have the chat forum on the bottom of this forum that is for non-scam busting topics and it's a good place to talk about anything, have fun and get to know others. Try it. I, for instance talk to people there that I know and people that I do not know at all but am getting to know. That is how forums work. You might like it. Don't make assumptions about people that you don't know. Don't create scenarios and drama where there is none! Try and get to know others here at least and not isolate yourself. We don't have or need cliques here either. Again, everyone is welcome here. It takes time to fit in. Not everyone will fit into every forum or place on the net, nor like every forum on the net or all the people in it. That is not the end of the life as we know it. Relax. Let's save the drama for real life, there's enough of it there. lol No one has made any comments about you being "second rate" so I have no idea why you are stating something like that. It's the internet! It's a forum! Let's get a reality check, please! Good grief.

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 03:47 PM
I will most certainly do the same again. If a loudmouthed member like Unsaved Trash casts aspersions on another member.Then prepare yourself for what ever treatment that you receive here. He did no such thing, and you obviously have issues, dear. If you don't like him, that's too damn bad. We do. You are doing everythng possible to create a hostile enviornment here, stirring the pot and causing drama where there was none. Seems to be a pattern. You need a reality check and you are going to get one. That's not going to be a good thing for you or for anyone. Grow up. I am done trying to reason and be nice to you. You are bringing whatever issues you have in life to this forum and that will not fly. You will reap what you sow on here. You just came here and have caused more problems in just 24 hours than we have had here in many months. Congradulations! I'd take a look at that if I were you. Or don't. That is your choice. But that behavior won't be tolerated by me and won't make you any friends on here. Your continued recalcitrance just shows how completely clueless you are and unwilling to see the truth of what I have tried to say to you. I have no idea who the hell you think you are, but saying what you did to him and this continued bullshit is unnecessary. Keep your drama queen antics to yourself. It's not needed or wanted here. Everyone is welcome here. They are not welcomed however, to cause drama and unjustly attack long time members here for no reason and to create problems and behave like an idiot. See if you can comprehend this. I highly doubt it though. Your attitude is terrible. I have tried to be reasonable, patient and understanding and make some suggestions, maintain some civility and peace but that isn't working obviously with your continued attitude. Step back and think about what I am saying here if you value this forum at all and the members here or continue on the road that you have hewn for yourself. Your choice. Again, we don't need or want drama here. Try and understand this. It has no place here and is unneccessary unless you create it for yourself and for others. That is in your control and up to you.

WishfulThinking
02-20-2011, 04:27 PM
ENOUGH. The majority of posters here, old and new, have a common aim - to stop and/or warn about SCAMS and that includes Unsaved Trash and path2prosperity, BOTH OF WHOM can stand up for themselves perfectly without any help from the rest of (and that includes ALA and alasycia).

Welcome Honestme and thanks for bringing another scam to the attention of this forum. From where I am sitting, EZ Wealth has red flags flying all over it.

Unsaved Trash
02-20-2011, 05:40 PM
I will most certainly do the same again. If a loudmouthed member like Unsaved Trash casts aspersions on another member.

Let us review a moment and hopefully put this to rest. The OP said in the first post:


This was posted in Adland and makes me very suspicious...

If it is too good to be true...

Feedback welcomed.

I read this as asking if EZ Wealth was a scam since that is what she asked. I answered. Nowhere does it state that she feels it's a scam or anything else for that matter except she's "suspicious." You may read the rest of the thread from the beginning and draw your own conclusions.

As for you, Path, I have read your own websites and most of your posts. Have you done the same with mine? You show me some courtesy (along with the other members) and I'll return the favor. Until then, don't come to this website and claim it as your own. It's everyone's and you're just a part of it as we all are. It seems that honestme11 has extended the olive branch and I suggest you do the same.

Whip
02-20-2011, 05:53 PM
I will most certainly do the same again. If a loudmouthed member like Unsaved Trash casts aspersions on another member.

You really read alot into that to come to that conclusion.

WishfulThinking
02-20-2011, 06:14 PM
Welcome Honestme and thanks for bringing another scam to the attention of this forum. From where I am sitting, EZ Wealth has red flags flying all over it.

OFF TOPIC Whip

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 06:24 PM
"Welcome Honestme and thanks for bringing another scam to the attention of this forum. From where I am sitting, EZ Wealth has red flags flying all over it."

OFF TOPIC Whip

That is off topic? Please explain. I thought it was the topic, actually?????? Must be the full moon or something.

WishfulThinking
02-20-2011, 06:26 PM
You really read alot into that to come to that conclusion.

Wrong quote. lol

And now we are both off topic. lol

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 06:28 PM
Wrong quote. lol

And now we are both off topic. lol


It's the fricking full moon for sure!!! lmao Drives everyone crazy! For some, it's a very short trip, however. ROTFL! I was going to ask how the hell you've been but don't want to be off topic either. lmao

WishfulThinking
02-20-2011, 06:44 PM
http://neiljohnbuchanan.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/werewolf-4.jpg?w=296&h=227

Fine thanks

A Life Aloft
02-20-2011, 06:52 PM
But, on topic, lol.......EZ is obviously a huge scam. A large part of it involves poisoning Google search results by publishing thousands of fake messages, articles and websites about its supposed benefits. Programs like these always seem to ride the wave of economic recessions when times are tough for many people and they are desperate to try almost anything. There are scads of consumer complaints all over the net about this farce.


The focus is on recruitment (big RED flag) and the product is software that is worthless and can be downloaded free online or for a few bucks. They have inflated the value of what you get, tell you that you get 100% of what you are selling, which is garbage - that is what you will be selling. Then you tell everyone you know about it, they say they will buy you into the first few levels, but then at some point you are asked for $1000 or more. Ron Walsh started this one of out of Nova Scotia Canada. Jim Carpenter is part of Ron Walsh's team of con artists. Beware of this one, its a ponzi sure as the nose on your face, with money moving up to the top, newcomers will get nothing. They claim they have paid out 1/2 million, can't wait for Industry Canada and the FTC to shut this one down.

EZ Wealth Solution Complaints - Scam (http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/ez-wealth-solution-c166415.html?sort=dated)

Saw this on another forum's discussion of ez and it's sad but true:

"Lawyers and the government don't easily get into network marketing disputes and usually only then if you've got thousands of people lined up with millions of dollars in losses and even then they don't always do anything.

Anyone hear of FNI or GMT?

GMT stole millions and what happened to those people? Nothing. Thousands complained, nothing happened. No one got a dime back.

FNI - thousands got together and I even got a call from the TX Attorney General investigating it. She said nothign was going to be done even though there was a lot of money taken there and thousands of complaints.

It just takes too much to get any interest and lawyers want to be paid for hundreds of hours of work before anything gets done."

People need to start using common sense and doing serious research. If it sounds to good to be true, it is. There are thousands of illegal and immoral floportunities out there on the net just waiting for the next gullible mark to join. There is only one real make to make money. Doing something legit and working- for others or for yourself. The rest of this garbage is just that, garbage. And the government is too busy, too overwhelmed and too much of a bureaucratic mess to step in and close down even a small amount of these scams. That is the plain truth. The only one protecting consumers, is yourself. Even after being sued and trampled by two AG's YTB is still in business. Barely, but it is and it's still scamming the gullible and those who let themselves be brainwashed. I see people who have been ripped off and joined scam after scam, made nothing or very little, lost much, whine away about it and they still don't learn that lesson. I don't get it. Sadly, no one can save people from themselves.

Theophilus
02-21-2011, 01:29 AM
Oh really? Well I was a moderator at scam.com and learned quite a bit while there, watched it turn into a shithole with an owner that put a scammer, weasel, liar, and serial MLM "guru" as an admin and ruined the site entirely. Then he began promoting porn on the site, so I think I can speak for online communities where people were damaged and they lost the majority of their decent members. That is why this site was created

It is true that all good members left. The site known as scam.com almost had a good thing going until they put a well known scammer in as Admin.

The site had really good moderators for only a small amount of time, and then it all went to hell because the good Mods and Posters were run out of town.

Not that it upsets me really because the really good scam-busters are here now, and more will come.

This site is properly moderated, because it has great people moderating it.

Also there are members here who are great scam-busters.

I agree with the post by UnsavedTrash.

littleroundman
02-21-2011, 01:52 AM
http://neiljohnbuchanan.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/werewolf-4.jpg?w=296&h=227

Fine thanks

Is that one of those dreaded black dogs ????

scratchycat
03-07-2011, 03:26 PM
Here is another one along with EZ Wealth being advertised in Adland and Facebook for starters: TE Command (http://www.tecommandpost.com/)

Does the name Paul Kinder mean anything in the world of scams? Could not find any trash on him through Google, just all the places he posts in.

path2prosperity
03-07-2011, 04:55 PM
Here is another one along with EZ Wealth being advertised in Adland and Facebook for starters: TE Command (http://www.tecommandpost.com/)

Does the name Paul Kinder mean anything in the world of scams? Could not find any trash on him through Google, just all the places he posts in.

There are more variations of these scams than any others that I have ever encountered. The first one that I heard about was EZ Surf and Earn. I googled it today and found a reference to it in MyCashForums but I have been banned from that place for eleven years, so I can not read about it.

Try joining MyCashForums so that you can read the links over there. I do not think there are any members here who have not been banned and it would be nice to have some news from that sewer.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
03-07-2011, 05:48 PM
Paul Kinder is a well known Traffic Exchange professional from the UK. He owns Traffic Splash and is involved with several others. He is not an autosurf (pay to play) player or owner.

scratchycat
03-08-2011, 09:23 AM
Thank you for the information P2P and alasycia. There are so many and keep growing each day. People are desperate to make money during these tough economical times, how sad they choose to spend it on these bloodsuckers.

scratchycat
03-12-2011, 11:15 AM
EZ Wealth Solution (http://www.topbiztoday.com/) advertisement.
I posted in my Scam and Fraud forum about DJ's blatant ads and it caused an uproar from the Lotto Magic people. I am deleting his ads (sick of them) and replying to the posts made there. I see there have been over 80 views. Peter Fogel got in the act and I am responding to him. We are worst enemies.
Get A Check Every Month Whether Or Not You Win Anything In The Florida Lotto! | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2443986/GetACheckEveryMonthWhetherOrNotYouWinAnythingInThe FloridaLotto/1.aspx?latest=True#latestpost)

scratchycat
04-02-2011, 11:10 PM
Tonight this was in my inbox at Adland:

4/2/2011 12:09:19 PM
Hi Sara Gardner,

This is a business opportunity message being sent to 6,000 people, thanks for opening it!

YOU can rake in $1,838 ALL AT ONCE from 700 products with no personal selling! This biz is much hotter than being a CB affiliate! Stop selling one product at a time for peanut commissions! Stop selling! Start EZ Wealth Solution-ing!

You get 700 DIGITAL & SOFTWARE PRODUCTS when you join EZ Wealth Solution up to all 5 levels...great stuff here such as autoresponder systems and much more to enhance/improve/increase your advertising/marketing. Many famous names created these digital products (Ewen Chia, Liz Tomey, and more!)

You can also rake in REPEATED DAILY COMMISSION$ up to $1,838 per referral, the signup IS the sale, no personal selling, the online videos close the signups/sales FOR YOU!

Lots of people are joining up to Levels 2 & 3 immediately when they sign up, all 5 levels will maximize your income:

Just 1 signup daily of Level 2 would bring you over $35,000 within a year, that's like having a second income!
Just 1 signup daily of Levels 2&3 together would bring you over $125,000 within a year, you & your spouse could both quit your jobs!

Most of your income can eventually be PASSIVE, brought in for you by the members under you in the infinity paylines.
I have around 170 payliners, and my sponsor has several hundred payliners, each new member forms a new payline and you get their
first 2 signups per level on Levels 2 thru 5, and that means you get 2X$97 up to 2x$997 from each payliner, or a combination of $97+$247+$497+$997 for a total of $1,838...and their first 2, and their first 2, and so on, in PASSIVE income!!

This is NOT MLM, Level 1 is a 1-up that leads into a 2-up with Levels 2 thru 5. You can rake in a great income from your own motivation, and a huge income with just a few motivated members, there's no matrix here, you won't need tons of people.

Join one of my most motivated team members (Jason Lamure, also an ALP member) and we'll send you dozens of free ad sources so you can reach 10,000's of prospects daily, thanks:
==>> EZ Wealth Solution - The # 1 Get Paid Today Program On The Net! (http://ezwealthsolution.com/?jlamure)

Sincerely,
Kathleen VanBeekom

Okay, okay, I know how most of you feel about Adlandpro. Just help me out here, what is going on?? I believe it is all hype but this person claims it is legit and she has been doing it for years. She must make a living, she has no other job and really works at this stuff. Without jumping all over me, just give an opinion.

I don't believe in it but this is one strong person, you might need her on your team.

littleroundman
04-02-2011, 11:57 PM
Okay, okay, I know how most of you feel about Adlandpro. Just help me out here, what is going on?? I believe it is all hype but this person claims it is legit and she has been doing it for years. She must make a living, she has no other job and really works at this stuff. Without jumping all over me, just give an opinion

Let me ask you a few questions:

a) What makes you believe anything "Sara" says.
b) Have you met her ???
c) Do you understand the concept of what a "sleeper" is in terms of long term deceptive practices ??
d) Do you understand that successful fraud takes time and requires patience and perseverance.
Bernard Madoff took years building up his fraud, until it was self sustaining.
It's too easy to think all frauds are like HYIPs, here today and gone tomorrow.

path2prosperity
04-03-2011, 04:10 AM
Let me ask you a few questions:

a) What makes you believe anything "Sara" says.
b) Have you met her ???
c) Do you understand the concept of what a "sleeper" is in terms of long term deceptive practices ??
d) Do you understand that successful fraud takes time and requires patience and perseverance.
Bernard Madoff took years building up his fraud, until it was self sustaining.
It's too easy to think all frauds are like HYIPs, here today and gone tomorrow.

I have not met you, Sara, Soapboxmum, 0kosh, Lynne or PatrickPretty but I have instinctive and logical reasons for trusting some people including you.

Somebody at Adland bought or attempted to resurrect the Beverley Armstrong persona at Adlandpro. I am not sure if the original Beverley Armstrong was a sleeper or if somebody bought the name and reputation. When I mentioned this fact on Adland, the name was instantly changed to Beverley Morin and then changed again. There are big con artists in that community and I am glad that Sara has joined this one as she could help us with the Beverley Armstrong/ Morin mystery. I know the Adlander whom I suspect of doing this but that is one thing that I am keeping to myself until there is more evidence

laidback
04-03-2011, 09:14 AM
The info posted here is not real favorable:

EZ Wealth Solution | Rip-off Report: 521098 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/work-at-home-business/ez-wealth-solution/ez-wealth-solution-ron-walsh-cb3fd.htm)

Soapboxmom
04-03-2011, 10:47 AM
Tonight this was in my inbox at Adland:

4/2/2011 12:09:19 PM
Hi Sara Gardner,

This is a business opportunity message being sent to 6,000 people, thanks for opening it!

YOU can rake in $1,838 ALL AT ONCE from 700 products with no personal selling! This biz is much hotter than being a CB affiliate! Stop selling one product at a time for peanut commissions! Stop selling! Start EZ Wealth Solution-ing!
I have not researched this opportunity at all, but let's look at what is said in this particular solicitation. One of the biggest lies of MLM is that one doesn't have to sell anything. Well, that is nonsensical. Even though it is usually recruiting, that still boils down to hitting up family and friends and advertising in some way.

Almost 2 grand all at once? How???



You get 700 DIGITAL & SOFTWARE PRODUCTS when you join EZ Wealth Solution up to all 5 levels...great stuff here such as autoresponder systems and much more to enhance/improve/increase your advertising/marketing. Many famous names created these digital products (Ewen Chia, Liz Tomey, and more!)

700 amazing products? Are they appealing and competitively priced. Probably not. MLM products are typically overpriced and overhyped. Folks are buying them in order to participate in the pay plan in many instances. The auto responder sends out responses automatically if folks leave contact info on your website. One is likely going to have to pay for said website and autoresponder. MLMs and the top of pyramid promoters can make money off this.


You can also rake in REPEATED DAILY COMMISSION$ up to $1,838 per referral, the signup IS the sale, no personal selling, the online videos close the signups/sales FOR YOU!

Here we have the typical nonsense about the system does the selling and work for you. If the sustem is so brilliant and does all the work what do they need you for? You are another fool buying in order to participate. Though 97% or more will lose money the top promoters will promise the sun, moon and stars and they may profit handsomely before the whole thing collapses.


Lots of people are joining up to Levels 2 & 3 immediately when they sign up, all 5 levels will maximize your income:

This sounds like an Aussie Two-Up. I recall that the average rep only brings in 1.8 recruits. I have done detailed analysis on one Aussie Two-Up and only 2% managed to get close to breaking even. Most of the reps handed up sales to their upline, lost thousands and had to quit to stop the financial bleeding. The levels don't magicly fill up as they would have you believe.


Just 1 signup daily of Level 2 would bring you over $35,000 within a year, that's like having a second income!
Just 1 signup daily of Levels 2&3 together would bring you over $125,000 within a year, you & your spouse could both quit your jobs!

All kinds of fancy math. They leave out the part about how only a fraction of a percent achieve those kinds of income. Very dishonest!


Most of your income can eventually be PASSIVE, brought in for you by the members under you in the infinity paylines.

The stuff of fantasies. Sit on the beach sipping margaritas and do nothing while the residual income rolls in.


I have around 170 payliners, and my sponsor has several hundred payliners, each new member forms a new payline and you get their
first 2 signups per level on Levels 2 thru 5, and that means you get 2X$97 up to 2x$997 from each payliner, or a combination of $97+$247+$497+$997 for a total of $1,838...and their first 2, and their first 2, and so on, in PASSIVE income!!

This is what led me to believe we are looking at an Aussie Two-Up. These have historically high failure rates and are often used with high ticket items. Following are posts I made on Scam about Emerald Passport and Liberty League



http://www.smartcompany.com.au/legal...ng-scheme.html (http://www.smartcompany.com.au/legal/20091211-federal-court-shuts-down-get-rich-quick-pyramid-selling-scheme.html)

Federal Court shuts down get-rich-quick pyramid selling scheme

Friday, 11 December 2009 10:03
James Thomson

The Federal Court has found a Perth-based company took part in an illegal pyramid selling scheme following an investigation by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission. The selling scheme, known as Emerald Passport, is an international scam that was created by a company in Panama. It promoted self-help products such as internet-based audio visual presentations with promising titles such as "Mastering Money" and "Wealth Fundamentals".
Under the scheme, participants made an annual payment to Emerald Passport Inc on the basis that they could earn between $US1,000 to $US10,000 each time they introduced a new participant to the scheme. As per the classic pyramid selling model, they would also earn "commissions" from people that the new participants subsequently introduced.
The Federal Court in Perth found Cosic Holdings Pty Ltd had breached the Trade Practices Act 1974 by taking part in the scheme. The court found the company set up and controlled websites relating to the scheme, promoted scheme by advertising and made and received payments from other participants in the scheme.
The court also declared that the company's director, John Cosic, was a party to Cosic Holdings' contravention.
"People are attracted to these schemes by the prospect of earning quick money through recruiting others into the scheme," ACCC chairman Graeme Samuel said in a statement.
"Success depends on the number of people they can recruit, and in turn on the number those below them can recruit. Ultimately pyramid schemes must fail as it becomes harder and harder for participants down the chain to recruit people. Inevitably people will lose their money.
"Pyramid selling schemes are nothing more than scams. These proceedings should act as a warning to people promoting or participating in schemes of this nature that the ACCC will take strong enforcement action to stop the promotion of such schemes."
Cosic Holdings has been banned by the court from taking part in similar schemes and has order to publish notices in various newspapers. Cosic has also been ordered to pay the ACCC's costs.

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http://www.smh.com.au/business/perth...1210-klu2.html (http://www.smh.com.au/business/perth-company-convicted-for-promoting-pyramid-scheme-20091210-klu2.html)

Perth company convicted for promoting pyramid scheme
CHALPAT SONTI

December 10, 2009


An illegal international pyramid scheme has led to the conviction of a Perth company that promoted it.
The Federal Court has found that Cosic Holdings, and the company's director John Cosic, breached the Trade Practices Act by establishing and controlling websites related to the Panama-based direct marketing company Emerald Passport Inc.
Emerald Passport promoted self help products, with titles such as Mastering Money and Wealth Fundamentals, which participants got access to for an annual payment.
The payoff was supposed commissions of between US$1000 and US$10,000 for introducing new punters to the scheme.
The company was found to have promoted the scheme through websites, newspaper advertising and making and receiving payments from other participants in the scheme.
Both the company and Cosic have been ordered not to take part in similar schemes and to publish notices in newspapers.
Australian Competition and Consumer Commission chairman Graeme Samuel said the watchdog - which took Cosic to court - would continue to take "strong enforcement action" against pyramid schemes.

Source: watoday.com.au (http://www.watoday.com.au/)
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Soapboxmom



Re: LLI big bucks lie

Quote:
STATE OF ARIZONA
DEPARTMENT OF LAW
1275 W. WASHINGTON STREET
PHOENIX, ARIZONA 85007-2926
WWW.AZAG.GOV (http://www.azag.gov/)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Terry Goddard Settles with Personal Development Marketing Company

(Phoenix, Ariz. – May 24, 2006) Attorney General Terry Goddard today announced a settlement with Liberty League International, LLC, and its principals, Brent Payne and Shane Krider. The consent judgment resolves complaints that the multi-level marketing corporation tricked customers into spending substantial amounts of money by promising “sizable commissions” if they helped market three “personal development” products and recruit new participants into the program.

The settlement requires Liberty League International, based in Scottsdale, to pay $115,000 which will be used to pay for consumer education, attorneys' fees and investigation costs, and victim restitution to be
determined by the court at a later date.

According to documents filed in Maricopa County Superior Court, Payne and Krider said customers had the potential to earn large sums of money if they used and recruited new participants to use Liberty League’s “personal development” products. In fact, the majority of participants did not earn enough to cover the amount they paid to buy the products sold to them.
The personal development products included a home-study course, a four-day personal development conference and a five-day personal finance and development conference. Prices ranged from $1,495 to $12,995 per person.

In addition to the civil penalties, attorney’s fees and restitution, the defendants are also required to:

– Refrain from making unsubstantiated income claims.

– Advise potential customers of the correct percentage of participants who have made a profit through their participation in the Liberty League program.

– Refrain from making any false or deceptive statements in their marketing materials.

Assistant Attorney General Nancy V. Anger handled this case.

If you believe you have been a victim of fraud, please contact the Attorney General's Office in Phoenix at 602.542.5763; in Tucson at 520.628.6504; or outside the metro areas at 1.800.352.8431. To file a complaint in person, the Attorney General's Office has 22 satellite offices throughout the state with
volunteers available to help. Locations and hours of operation are posted on the Attorney General's Web site at www.azag.gov (http://www.azag.gov/). Consumers are also encouraged to sign up on the Web site to receive consumer advisories from the Attorney General.
Soapboxmom



This is NOT MLM, Level 1 is a 1-up that leads into a 2-up with Levels 2 thru 5. You can rake in a great income from your own motivation, and a huge income with just a few motivated members, there's no matrix here, you won't need tons of people.

Join one of my most motivated team members (Jason Lamure, also an ALP member) and we'll send you dozens of free ad sources so you can reach 10,000's of prospects daily, thanks:
==>> EZ Wealth Solution - The # 1 Get Paid Today Program On The Net! (http://ezwealthsolution.com/?jlamure)

Sincerely,
Kathleen VanBeekom

Every time an opportunity screams they are not MLM that is a huge red flag. An Aussie Two-Up is considered MLM.


Okay, okay, I know how most of you feel about Adlandpro. Just help me out here, what is going on?? I believe it is all hype but this person claims it is legit and she has been doing it for years. She must make a living, she has no other job and really works at this stuff. Without jumping all over me, just give an opinion.

I don't believe in it but this is one strong person, you might need her on your team.

Don't they all claim they are legitimate. What real companies run around claiming they are legitimate. Does Microsoft, Dell, Target???

This gal is probably very persuasive and dynamic. Hang on to your wallet and run! Run fast and hard!

Soapboxmom

path2prosperity
04-03-2011, 11:06 AM
HM had already tried to open a thread about the EZ scams but she got a beating by members who regarded her as one of the worst from Adland. She has tried to introduce an "upstairs version" on this subject rather than attack other members here.

Perhaps some of you will help research this EZ family of scams and scammers. Perhaps her previous thread could be transfered to the downstair rants and raves. http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit-ez-wealth-solution-533/

scratchycat
04-03-2011, 01:03 PM
Let me ask you a few questions:

a) What makes you believe anything "Sara" says.b) Have you met her ???
c) Do you understand the concept of what a "sleeper" is in terms of long term deceptive practices ??
d) Do you understand that successful fraud takes time and requires patience and perseverance.
Bernard Madoff took years building up his fraud, until it was self sustaining.
It's too easy to think all frauds are like HYIPs, here today and gone tomorrow.

Sorry I forgot to remove who is was sent to but it was Sara but the letter was written or copied Kathleen VanBeekom. I am "Sara" and you can believe me or not, up to you. I am not pushing this junk, never would but this person is all hype about it and claims it is not a scam. Most of us know better and she might have made it so much to the top of pyramid that she is making money off the little ones under her.

Well, yes, I have met Sara since that is me. I have not met Kathleen, just rubbed feathers in FB & Adland and through email messages. No, I don't believe her and would never get involved in the stuff she is in. She is big into the Lotto Magic thing.

I appreciate your input and perhaps you just misread how it was posted. I don't really understand the concept of "sleeper" but can understand what you mean and it has taken her years of hard work, patience and perserverance to get to the level she is, so lets just say she has a lot of suckers under her.

scratchycat
04-03-2011, 01:09 PM
SBM, you have it right "This gal is probably very persuasive and dynamic. Hang on to your wallet and run! Run fast and hard!", she is hard as nails and sharp as a razor.

Thanks for the information.

path2prosperity
04-03-2011, 02:28 PM
I don't really understand the concept of "sleeper" but can understand what you mean and it has taken her years of hard work, patience and perserverance to get to the level she is, so lets just say she has a lot of suckers under her.

A sleeper is a spy or con artist who is placed in a community to garner respect from other members Sleeper agent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeper_agent)

I am getting more and more convinced that Beverley Armstrong was a sleeper and that is why I am so anxious that HM remains in this community. I know nobody from Adland who had anything bad to say about Beverley Armstrong. Some of Sara's friends who have been in the Adland community for longer than she has, would be a huge asset here if they come in and comment on this issue. Beverley Armstrong and Kathy Hamilton (nee Martin) were the two most influential Adland members when I joined and the re appearance of Kathy Hamilton makes my suspicions about Beverley even stronger. Beverley was the Queen when it came to autosurfs and Kathy the MLM guru. There are big MLM con artists to be identified in Adlandpro. We should help one another to identify them.

okosh
04-04-2011, 11:34 PM
Most of us here know that the EZ family of scams have been around for a long time. The first in was EZ Surf or EZSurfandEarn. I am not sure. They were all run by a husband and wife team known as Jason and Stacy.


Do we actually know for sure that this "EZ Wealth Solution" and them other EZ scams of 2006-7 are run by the same scammers??....

path2prosperity
04-05-2011, 02:24 AM
Do we actually know for sure that this "EZ Wealth Solution" and them other EZ scams of 2006-7 are run by the same scammers??....

No but a professional investigator would easily be able to put two and two together from hints dropped here and I know more people who were involved and not afraid to talk to authorities.

littleroundman
04-05-2011, 04:09 AM
No but a professional investigator would easily be able to put two and two together from hints dropped here and I know more people who were involved and not afraid to talk to authorities.

I think it's very important to everyone who reads the forum to clearly understand that what you say is not true.

"Talking to authorities" is one thing, the agencies involved being willing or able to do anything with the information is quite another.

Anyone involved in these things needs to be quite clear, the second you send your money, it's gone for good.

IF, by any strange stroke of luck people receive a partial refund of their money, they should fall to their knees and give thanks.

Ask yourself, Judy,

what do you REALLY know about these people ???

Are you 100% certain that you know their real names???

Their address is 100% accurate ???

Could you go to a police station today and provide enough 100% accurate information for the officer/s involved to at least start to investigate ???

For starters, you say you're in Britain.

How does anyone know with any certainty that you are ???

I can be back here with a new identity and posting from a completely different IP address with a completely different posting style in 10 minutes, and you'd never know, unless I told you. I can have a legitimate PO box number to allow people to send snail mail within minutes.
Registering a US corporation can be done online for under $100 24 hours a day

Britain doesn't even have a centralized website or agency where people can lodge a complaint, and it's nigh on impossible to find anyone willing to even fill out a report, much less actually investigate.

Anything under 2 or 3 million bucks and/or with a small number of victims, forget about it.

My point is, all of the names and histories and "facts" to which you refer are meaningless and unprovable.

You DON'T know.

The whole point of online fraud is to make sure you don't know and only "think" you know.

Fraudsters such as Bowdoin, Marsden and Charis Johnson who use their real names are incredibly rare.w

path2prosperity
04-05-2011, 05:14 AM
"Talking to authorities" is one thing, the agencies involved being willing or able to do anything with the information is quite another. Ask yourself, Judy. Could you go to a police station today and provide enough 100% accurate information for the officer/s involved to at least start to investigate ???



Yes LRM I did walk into a Police Station and give evidence against one person by the name of Sasha De Houghton in 1984 or thereabouts. The man was a fine art thief and evidence given by me and my husband helped get the man a seven year sentence. Aybody who doubts that can check up with New Scotland Yard or any British investigative journalist. Your snide remarks are getting a bit too personal and if you do not stop it, I will assume that you are enjoying a bit of cyber bullying.

path2prosperity
04-05-2011, 05:31 AM
Ask yourself, Judy,what do you REALLY know about these people ??? Are you 100% certain that you know their real names??? Their address is 100% accurate ???Could you go to a police station today and provide enough 100% accurate information for the officer/s involved to at least start to investigate ???



I know enough about several people that I have met on the Internet and there is one person and only one about whom I am 100% certain I would recommend to run a scam busting forum. That persons name is John Partington an ex Adlandpro member who will set one up in opposition to RS if invited. I would go into any law court in the UK and give evidence of this man's integrity.

If he does just that, I may even recommend you for a mod's job.

littleroundman
04-05-2011, 06:23 AM
Yes LRM I did walk into a Police Station and give evidence against one person by the name of Sasha De Houghton in 1984 or thereabouts. The man was a fine art thief and evidence given by me and my husband helped get the man a seven year sentence. Aybody who doubts that can check up with New Scotland Yard or any British investigative journalist. Your snide remarks are getting a bit too personal and if you do not stop it, I will assume that you are enjoying a bit of cyber bullying.

I beg your pardon.

Who the hell do you think you are ???

How dare you threaten me.

"Snide remarks" ????

Facts are NOT snide remarks.

Catching a fine art thief in 1984 is NOT tracing and prosecuting an internet fraudster.

In fact, that sort of "old world" thinking is what enables these criminals to not only succeed but prosper.

The internet is NOT the same as the real world, and, until people realize that very simple fact, they will continue to lose money.

This is NOT an episode of the latest TV series where the resident geek taps a few keys and BINGO up pops the info he's chasing.

It took 18 months, a specially formed multi agency US government task force and hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars, to bring AdSurf Daily and Andy Bowdoin to court, and they KNEW where he was and what he was doing was illegal.

Chasing some anonymous HYIP promoter who has spent 4 or 5 years perfecting his or her fake identity and making themselves untraceable and only taken in a measly grand or two just ain't gonna happen.

For Chrissakes, Judy, wake up.

Soapboxmom
04-05-2011, 08:34 AM
Do we actually know for sure that this "EZ Wealth Solution" and them other EZ scams of 2006-7 are run by the same scammers??....
That is exactly the problem. I can tell folks from moderating for many years that dropping names one thinks might be tied to a scam is playing with fire. Real people whose names get dragged into this stuff that are totally innocent of involvement can be hurt very badly and their businesses effected. I operate on facts here and ask probing questions that will further justice. I will not go on wild goose chases and have to apologize to folks who have had their names ruined by supposition.

The authorities I can affirm do read these threads and use this information. However often it is the amount of traffic something draws that helps authorites determine where to put precious resources. They are looking at something that already has well documented complaints not depending on internet gossip to find cases to pursue.

I filed a formal complaint against Ignite /Stream Energy 5 years ago. When the enforcement attorney from the AG's office called we had a delightful conversation. She wanted a copy of the DVD and other promotional materials I could gather. She noted there was a tremendous amount of internet attention and she had been reading a Soapboxmom. I burst out laughing and asked her if she realized who she was talking to? We had a good laugh over the fact I was the "passionate" internet blogger who had been such a prolific poster. Remember, she had a pile of well documented complaints. The end result was not a big scambusting extravaganza, but it did result in Ignite being forced to publish Income Disclosures. It was nice progress toward better protecting the public.

Turning in the art thief is very commendable, but let's look at this forum as a public discussion forum that does like Quatloos also warn and inform others about scams and has a staff that will always assist law enforcement in any way possible. I am not sure trying to characterize this as a scambusting forum, as it is completely public and anyone who registers can participate, and turning this into some sort of contest to see who is the most prolific scambuster is a good idea. That seems to be getting out of hand.

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
04-05-2011, 08:39 AM
I know enough about several people that I have met on the Internet and there is one person and only one about whom I am 100% certain I would recommend to run a scam busting forum. That persons name is John Partington an ex Adlandpro member who will set one up in opposition to RS if invited. I would go into any law court in the UK and give evidence of this man's integrity.

If he does just that, I may even recommend you for a mod's job.
Why are we discussing competing forums? Is this a competition? Is this John Partington aware you are volunteering / inviting him for the job? How kosher is it to publicly try to lure away the staff here to a forum that doesn't even exist?

So much for actually discussing EZ Wealth.

Soapboxmom

scratchycat
04-05-2011, 09:42 AM
That is exactly the problem. I can tell folks from moderating for many years that dropping names one thinks might be tied to a scam is playing with fire. Real people whose names get dragged into this stuff that are totally innocent of involvement can be hurt very badly and their businesses effected. I operate on facts here and ask probing questions that will further justice. I will not go on wild goose chases and have to apologize to folks who have had their names ruined by supposition.

The authorities I can affirm do read these threads and use this information. However often it is the amount of traffic something draws that helps authorites determine where to put precious resources. They are looking at something that already has well documented complaints not depending on internet gossip to find cases to pursue.

I filed a formal complaint against Ignite /Stream Energy 5 years ago. When the enforcement attorney from the AG's office called we had a delightful conversation. She wanted a copy of the DVD and other promotional materials I could gather. She noted there was a tremendous amount of internet attention and she had been reading a Soapboxmom. I burst out laughing and asked her if she realized who she was talking to? We had a good laugh over the fact I was the "passionate" internet blogger who had been such a prolific poster. Remember, she had a pile of well documented complaints. The end result was not a big scambusting extravaganza, but it did result in Ignite being forced to publish Income Disclosures. It was nice progress toward better protecting the public.

Soapboxmom

SBM, you are so correct about name dropping. I must remind myself to not do it anymore. Yesterday proved to be an alertness for me to watch it carefully. There is no way to know for sure just who a person is behind this monitor unless the proper officials have identified them. I for one will certainly be more careful in the future. You see I have been a victim of internet scandals also with name-calling and defamation of character. When a person tries to defend themselves in that type of situation, it only gets worse.

I apologize to Kathleen and anyone whose name I have mentioned here without proper evidence that they are involved in scams. There are some I have mentioned that I know for sure are bad as I have been victimized by them. Kathleen and I have had our bad moments but still correspond. She is banned from my friends in Adland and FB because of letters I send out and the ads she sends. I have not blocked her from receiving messages is how I got that one.

As SBM pointed out, the information we post here is not viewed only by us - it is all over the internet!! Now, if what we post about someone is not true and that person is under attack, it would be considered defamation of character and would also impact their business and possibly personal lives.

From now on, I will stick to facts (based on what I know) and from legimate sources. Now, back to EZ Wealth Solution - I will keep investigating and watching. I have no positive feedback from anyone in the program that has lost money. I feel like they are there, just have not heard about it.

Let us work together to help fight the 'crooks' not each other.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
04-05-2011, 10:14 AM
Britain doesn't even have a centralized website or agency where people can lodge a complaint, and it's nigh on impossible to find anyone willing to even fill out a report, much less actually investigate.

Tell me about it - on visits to the UK I've tried to find someone interested in an unproven internet fraud, even though they are the kind of schemes easily identifiable by anyone here as scams. The bureaucracy is incredibly obstructive. The press are not much easier to get hold of either. And we are talking about one European country out of many. In Spain they did arrest the owner of EMG/Finanzas Forex German Cardona Soler after great pressure was put on them by angry defrauded investors and their legal team, but that took nearly a couple of years.

LRM's point about identity on the internet is very valid. There are people who use their own identities, Judy being one of the few, but whether people are fighting against scams or promoting them, it is relatively common to find people using false IDs, either to protect themselves from harm or from prosecutiom, whichever applies.
It makes hunting down people very very difficult. Peter Roor, for example, took years to establish his Pedro Dispenza identity, and I am sure that there are people who were very suprised to find out that he was in fact Peter Roor. It is just as possible that some of the good ol' boys and girls at AdlandPro who Judy and Sara know have a special online persona that does not exist in the real world as it is that they use their real identities.

SBM's point is well taken.


dropping names one thinks might be tied to a scam is playing with fire.

Hard evidence or at least substantiated arguments are what is required here.

EZ Wealth does not look good and if and when it is established as a scam, then anyone promoting it will automatically be implicated as a scammer or someone taken in by a scam. Until that point, the names are meaningless.


The other issue that I feel worth mentioning is that there is a hugh difference between spamming and scamming. The first is sending unsolicited advertising, the second is defrauding someone. Although the scammers might also spam, it doesnt make all spammers scammers. It may be obvious to most people here, but to many newbies, the distinction is not always clear.

scratchycat
04-05-2011, 10:39 AM
LRM, what you say is very true. That is why I want to watch this closely.

I well know the difference in Spamming and Scamming - the Spammers can be deleted, the Scammers cannot!! Sending out unsolicited mail is a far cry from trying to get someone to buy into an obviously fraudalent Scam. Of course now sometimes that unsolicited mail can carry bugs with it and it must be handled with care.

Soapboxmom
04-05-2011, 11:13 AM
Feel free to quote e-mail solicitations you get. I do it frequently and they can be quite humorous. What I do worry about is names being dropped out of thin air with nothing to substantiate allegations made and folks who are not involved being asked to discuss their part in a scam they would never have been involved in to begin with. ALA being a case in point.

EZ Wealth may well never be proven or officially established to be a scam, as in enforcement action being taken, but the label of scam to me is not necessarily one of illegality. To me it means an opportunity that will be uneconomic and that is purported to be a great way to earn extra income and / or a fabulous living when in fact the vast majority of participants will lose money.

Soapboxmom

path2prosperity
04-06-2011, 12:53 AM
I am not sure who originally made this statement.

QUOTE

"Britain doesn't even have a centralized website or agency where people can lodge a complaint, and it's nigh on impossible to find anyone willing to even fill out a report, much less actually investigate. "

That is not true. Anybody can report a British National for misleading advertising.How to complain - Advertising Standards Authority (http://www.asa.org.uk/Complaints/How-to-complain.aspx)

I have reported one Adlandpro member for advertising FortuneDBS and my IP has been blocked in a futile attempt to prevent me from reading anything more about Adlandpro or Adlandpro community where there are British members advertising F5Millionaires club.

I logged in to Adland in an attempt to see if there were British members advertising EZ and my IP was blocked immediately. That makes me smell RATS.

Any of you can report British members of Adlandpro or other forums for misleading advertising.

littleroundman
04-06-2011, 02:03 AM
That's very interesting, Judy, but factually incorrect on several counts:

1) There is no "rat" involved.

Forum software gives the forum admin several options when banning a poster.
a) The option to ban permanently
b) The option to ban for a specific time period
c) The option to ban the username AND the I.P with which the username is associated.
d) The option to "soft delete" the offending post/s
e) The option to "hard delete" the offending post
f) The option to delete both the offending post and/or thread

There is no conspiracy involved, it's simply a matter of checking an additional box or 2 on the admin control panel.


2) The remit of the British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) does NOT allow for the identification and/or prosecution of criminal activity.

In fact, the ASA website itself points out:



Control of ads (http://asa.org.uk/Regulation-Explained/Control-of-ads.aspx)


The strength of the self-regulatory system lies in both the independence of the ASA and the support and commitment of the advertising industry, through the Committee of Advertising Practice (CAP), to maintaning the high standards laid down in the Advertising Codes, which are designed to protect consumers and create a level playing field for advertisers.

What we regulate (http://asa.org.uk/Regulation-Explained/What-we-cover.aspx)

We deal with most types of ads but not all, but if we can’t deal with your complaint ourselves, we will try to help you contact the right body. We regulate sales promotions, such as special offers, prize draws and competitions wherever they appear. This section will tell you which types of ads we can deal with (http://asa.org.uk/Regulation-Explained/What-we-cover.aspx) and which types of commercial message we don’t deal with (http://asa.org.uk/Regulation-Explained/What-we-cover/Complaints-outside-remit.aspx).



Our online remit (http://asa.org.uk/Regulation-Explained/Online-remit.aspx)

From 1 March, the UK Code of Non-broadcast Advertising, Sales Promotion and Direct Marketing (the CAP Code) will apply in full to marketing messages online, including the rules relating to misleading advertising, social responsibility and the protection of children.
There is a HUGE difference between the ability to report something to the ASA and/or similar agency and having the agency respond or be able to act.

The ASA does NOT have the resources, nor the remit to track down and prosecute online fraud and/or fraudsters, PARTICULARLY those based outside the UK or whose website is registered and/or hosted outside the UK.

path2prosperity
04-06-2011, 02:34 AM
That's very interesting, Judy, but factually incorrect on several counts:

1) There is no "rat" involved.

Forum software gives the forum admin several options when banning a poster.
a) The option to ban permanently
b) The option to ban for a specific time period
c) The option to ban the username AND the I.P with which the username is associated.
d) The option to "soft delete" the offending post/s
e) The option to "hard delete" the offending post
f) The option to delete both the offending post and/or thread

There is no conspiracy involved, it's simply a matter of checking an additional box or 2 on the admin control panel.


2) The remit of the British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) does NOT allow for the identification and/or prosecution of criminal activity.

In fact, the ASA website itself points out:

There is a HUGE difference between the ability to report something to the ASA and/or similar agency and having the agency respond or be able to act.

The ASA does NOT have the resources, nor the remit to track down and prosecute online fraud and/or fraudsters, PARTICULARLY those based outside the UK or whose website is registered and/or hosted outside the UK.

I have reported a British member of Adlandpro for promoting FortuneDBS and the agency HAS TAKEN the matter up.

Adlandpro has banned me from reading their forum and that ban appeared when I was searching their records to see of there were any British members promoting EZ. That is what I meant when I said that I smelled rats. I will continue reading their forum from another computer so I consider the attempt to shut me up futile. It is obvious that it is paying to report British members who promote scams loke FortuneDBS

Lil Ol' Radical Me
04-06-2011, 05:01 AM
Judy, regrettably, reporting the advertising of a scam to the ASA may stop the advertising in one country in Europe, but it wont stop the scam itself. That is a matter for law enforcement and they are the ones with limited resources.

Don't see the mystery about not being able to read a forum - the IP was blocked. Full stop. If someone doesnt want someone else to read their forum, maybe they have something to hide, and, as you rightly say, it isnt difficult to read it from another IP address. Owners of forums as well as posters sometimes forget that their forums are on the very public internet. EZ Wealth is being promoted on the internet, ergo it is being promoted in the public domain. It will be difficult to promote it on the one hand and hide it from public view on the other.

path2prosperity
04-06-2011, 05:37 AM
Judy, regrettably, reporting the advertising of a scam to the ASA may stop the advertising in one country in Europe, but it wont stop the scam itself. That is a matter for law enforcement and they are the ones with limited resources.

Don't see the mystery about not being able to read a forum - the IP was blocked. Full stop. If someone doesnt want someone else to read their forum, maybe they have something to hide, and, as you rightly say, it isnt difficult to read it from another IP address. Owners of forums as well as posters sometimes forget that their forums are on the very public internet. EZ Wealth is being promoted on the internet, ergo it is being promoted in the public domain. It will be difficult to promote it on the one hand and hide it from public view on the other.

That is the reason why I logged into Adland to search for British people who were promoting it. The ASA is investigating one of the programs promoted there and when I get any news on that, I will be free to tell you the result.

There are a lot of British Adlanders promoting 5FMillionaires Club. You could report those to ASA. We may only be one country in Europe but if non British nationals join in and report these people it will help with the destruction of forums like Adland.

littleroundman
04-06-2011, 06:40 AM
That is the reason why I logged into Adland to search for British people who were promoting it. The ASA is investigating one of the programs promoted there and when I get any news on that, I will be free to tell you the result.

There are a lot of British Adlanders promoting 5FMillionaires Club. You could report those to ASA. We may only be one country in Europe but if non British nationals join in and report these people it will help with the destruction of forums like Adland.

As admirable as your intentions may be, that's simply not true.

It's simply not feasible for an advertising regulator to force a non British based forum off the 'net.

British readers would be far better advised to petition their local member/s to force the establishment of a 'net based investigative and/or prosecution agency.

Britain is notorious worldwide for its' almost non existent cyber crime facilities.

Do a Google on "report crime online Britain" and you'll see exactly what I mean.

The independent UK charity, Crimestoppers has a better internet presence and reporting facilities than the UK police or FSA

path2prosperity
04-06-2011, 08:10 AM
It's simply not feasible for an advertising regulator to force a non British based forum off the 'net.

I know that LRM but if British advertisers get scared and stop promoting these scams on Adlandpro, it is less revenue for the owner. The loss of revenue could force him to change his ways and ban the promoters or close down voluntarily.

path2prosperity
04-06-2011, 08:14 AM
The independent UK charity, Crimestoppers has a better internet presence and reporting facilities than the UK police or FSA

Thanks for that information LRM. I will look into that and see if we can get them to do anything about the scams being promoted by British people on Adlandpro.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
04-06-2011, 02:41 PM
I know that LRM but if British advertisers get scared and stop promoting these scams on Adlandpro, it is less revenue for the owner. The loss of revenue could force him to change his ways and ban the promoters or close down voluntarily.


With all due respect Judy, the problem is not Adland or MMG or TG, etc but the programs themselves. Until the actual scams are stopped and promoters are prosecuted for promoting them, they will continue to pop up. The demise of ASA has not stopped them and the demise of Adland or MMG etc wont either. Until there is a legal reason for forum owners not to permit them, nothing will happen.

path2prosperity
04-16-2011, 05:21 PM
Is the EZ2Win scam mentioned by somebody replying to Partick Pretty yet another in this family of scams?

BULLETIN: Corrupt MLMers Found Guilty Of Operating Pyramid Scheme And Stock Swindle; James A. Sweeney And Patrick M. Ryan Face Decades In Prison (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2011/04/15/bulletin-corrupt-mlmers-found-guilty-of-operating-pyramid-scheme-and-stock-swindle-james-a-sweeney-and-patrick-m-ryan-face-decades-in-prison/#comments)

It would be nice to compile a list of all the variations which members here could remember. I have lost count but I can remember the main promoters.

scratchycat
04-25-2011, 11:30 AM
The info posted here is not real favorable:

EZ Wealth Solution | Rip-off Report: 521098 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/work-at-home-business/ez-wealth-solution/ez-wealth-solution-ron-walsh-cb3fd.htm)

The latest I have noticed, a person who has promoted this for a very long time (EZ Wealth Solution) has suddenly dropped it from their advertising. Could it be...

scratchycat
05-03-2011, 09:28 AM
Just received another one of these. I don't see why people would buy into this hype but they do. This is just for your information that the EZ Wealth thing is still going.


**Want 100,000s of Fr*ee Ads & 4 Figures Daily?

**Why are you letting others get YOUR $10,000 Monthly?

Join up to Level 3 or higher & I'll help you advertise
until you qualify to earn on the levels you joined, from
$247 per sale up to $1,838 per sale if you join all 5
levels.

This business pays daily 100% commissions, up to $1,838
per signup, and many members are earning over $1,000 per
day, including me...just from posting ads online!

I joined up to Level 3 at the end of June and was
qualified up to Level 2 within a couple weeks, and then
Level 3 about a couple weeks later, and then soon
I was earning lots of $97's and $47's all thru July that
added up to $2,600 so a lot of money came in before I
qualified on Level 3. I upgraded to 4 & 5 as soon as I
got qualified on Level 2 during the beginning of July,
before I got any signups for Level 3. Then it took me
about another month to qualify on 4 & 5 but I also earned
around $5,000 in August just from 1, 2 & 3 income.
I earned about $8,500 in September, and over $15,000 in
October, and several thousands more in November, December
and January, then I had a great February and March and
a very good April. Nearly $60,000 now,
since I got my first payment on July 7th (my first $97).

I've had high income days of over $750 to nearly $4,000.
Not every day, but many days.

It's recommended to start at least with Levels 2 & 3,
because you won't earn much from just being in Level 1.

One daily referral of Levels 2 & 3 together would bring
you over $125,500 within a year, and most of that can be
passive income, brought in from the people under you.
This is NOT MLM, you don't need a lot of people, just a
few motivated members and your own motivation to post ads
and follow up, that's all there is to it, and the ads are
pre-written for you in the backoffice, not much thinking to do!

For your $10 monthly you get 3 sites and you can also use
the EZ Wealth Mailer to contact all your tour-takers and
resellers, that's a great deal because later you'll have a
lot of people, I have over 150 payliners earning lots of
money for me and for themselves. My sponsor has been in
for 2 years and has thousands of tour-takers and hundreds
of resellers.



EZ Wealth Solution - The # 1 Get Paid Today Program On The Net! (http://ezwealthsolution.com)
Unlimited $47 Cash Payments - Personal Powerline (http://PersonalPowerline.com)
EZ Wealth Solution - The # 1 Get Paid Today Program On The Net! (http://ezwealthsolution.com)

I know I did quite a bit of research on this which I might have posted at the beginning. Still keeping check on it.

scratchycat
05-03-2011, 09:47 AM
EZWEALTHSOLUTION.COM WHOIS
Updated: 1 second ago
Registrant:
Ron Walsh
19 Shrewsbury Drive
Dartmouth, NS B2V1R6
CA

Domain name: EZWEALTHSOLUTION.COM


Administrative Contact:
Walsh, Ron @accesswave.ca
19 Shrewsbury Drive
Dartmouth, NS B2V1R6
CA
9024623867
Technical Contact:
Manager, Domains @netfirms.com
5160 Yonge St., 1800
Toronto, ON M2N6L9
CA
4166612100 Fax: 4166610700



Registration Service Provider:
Netfirms, Inc., @netfirms.com
+1.4166612100
This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords,
DNS/Nameserver changes, and general domain support questions.


Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 29-Mar-2011.
Record expires on 09-Jun-2012.
Record created on 09-Jun-2007.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS2.ROBOTECHHOSTING.COM
NS1.ROBOTECHHOSTING.COM


Domain status: clientDeleteProhibited
clientTransferProhibited
clientUpdateProhibited

Information Updated: Tue, 3 May 2011 14:34:37 UTC


With this kind of money, this person should be very rich by now!!

Here is the real-time payout, it was around $1,320,000
when I joined a few months ago, now it's around
$1,632,000. I earned $60,000 since last summer!
Unlimited $47 Cash Payments - Personal Powerline (http://PersonalPowerline.com)Thanks if you sign up, this is the biggest easiest money
I've ever earned, I'll send you a list of ad sources, and
I also get lots of signups from Facebook.

We're in the largest and highest earning team, my sponsor
earned $102,000 in his first 7 months, and one of his
other members earned $90,000 in her first year, so this is
a realistic way to a 6-figure income within 6 to 12
months, just from advertising.

==>> Join up to Level 3 or higher & I'll help you advertise
until you qualify to earn on the levels you joined!

I'll also send you dozens of free high-traffic sources
so you can reach 100,000's of prospects DAILY!


Ron Walsh owns these domains (probably more)

ezwealthsolution.com
personalpowerline.com
traxad.com
Ezwealthdrivein.com
Ezwealthsolution.com
Ezwealthtaxi.com

There was a discussion thread at Complaints Board (http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/ez-wealth-solution-c166415.html?sort=datea&page=1) about this.

last posting:

EZ Wealth Solution is a text book scam or ponzi. The focus is on recruitment (big RED flag) and the product is software that is worthless and can be downloaded free online or for a few bucks. They have inflated the value of what you get, tell you that you get 100% of what you are selling, which is garbage - that is what you will be selling. Then you tell everyone you know about it, they say they will buy you into the first few levels, but then at some point you are asked for $1000 or more. Ron Walsh started this one of out of Nova Scotia Canada. Jim Carpenter is part of Ron Walsh's team of con artists. Beware of this one, its a ponzi sure as the nose on your face, with money moving up to the top, newcomers will get nothing. They claim they have paid out 1/2 million, can't wait for Industry Canada and the FTC to shut this one down.

kcvan2011
09-27-2011, 11:44 AM
Lotto Magic: Longterm A rating with the Better Business Bureau. In business worldwide since 1996.
I've been with it since January 2007 and I've earned 57 consecutive monthly checks since then,
including sharing a big win in Florida Lotto in July 2009.
spam url deleted by mod

EZ Wealth Solution: In business worldwide since December 2007.
I've been with it since June 2010 and have raked in high 5 figures, lots of bigwigs are in my downlines because I advertise heavily and gained the attention of people who also advertise heavily, hard work, team work, makes it happen.


I'm a very strong promoter, I'm a serious marketer, lots of business owners and ad-source owners know my seriousness.
I'm online daily, easy to find everywhere.
I work very hard and help my downliners. My hard work speaks for itself. It's too bad that the majority of people want to bash other peoples hard work and actual success. Go get your own success because you can't take mine away.
spam url deleted by mod

Kathleen,

you're quite welcome to post on REALSCAM.com (http://www.RealScam.com) but please refrain from including referral links in your posts.

kcvan2011
09-28-2011, 07:12 AM
I'd like all posts containing my name removed immediately, references to me as a "culprit"...of what? Working hard 7 days per week and leading huge teams to earn money? I AM wealthy by now, I was wealthy a year ago, and as far as the posters making fun of me for saying I'd help people advertise, the ad they copied & pasted here WAS an ad for helping another person, who's name was also mentioned. Anyone can Google my name and all my Youtube videos will show up, and recent videos of my actual commission report. The posts were made because of a personal dislike situation against me as a person, regardless of what businesses I promote. Those posts should be deleted because they are wrong and posted directly against me, wrongly. Obviously.

As far as my URLs not being allowed to be posted, those are proof of Lotto Magic paychecks/winnings and my commission video from EZ. Longterm reliability in both of those, and in me as a person. I've also earned affiliate income from Adlandpro which I've been affiliated with for 13 & a half years, since that's where the posters copied my ad that they put here. Am I also a "culprit" in raking in longterm affiliate sales for Adlandpro and tons of other businesses? Wow.

littleroundman
09-28-2011, 07:23 AM
I'd like all posts containing my name removed immediately, references to me as a "culprit"...of what?

I'm sure you would like your name removed, but, it ain't gonna happen.

Here's a little free tip for you, Kathleen.

Your full real name is all over the internet.

You long ago ceased to be anonymous.

If you want to promote half assed internet frauds such as EZ Wealth Solutions on the internet, more power to you.

If you consider being paid to sell unproven lotto software as "proof" of its' legitimacy, good upon you.

You do NOT, however, get a free pass from a forum based on discussing internet based scams based on how many sucke.....err......members you have in your downline or how much loot you've escaped with.

Facts, Kathleen facts are what you need.

path2prosperity
09-28-2011, 10:10 AM
Why don't you learn the ABC of marketing Katleen? Here is an extract from my blog.

I am shocked by the lack of business acumen or common sense people display, when they talk about “Internet Marketing.” They do not seem to understand the basics of the subject.

I learned my first marketing lesson in 1947 when I was told that clothes were a market but that pictures of naked human bodies were also a market. The fashion houses had just launched “The New Look” in the 1947 clothes market, when clothes were still on ration in UK. That was extremely clever marketing.

My eighteen year old brother, who was a very talented artist missed a good chance to get his paintings into the naked body market. My brother could not afford a camera or a naked artists’ model in 1947. His preferred life models were pigs and his tools were oil on canvas not camera equipment. The schoolboy who beat by brother to a profitable niche market for nude females understood marketing. The boy painted or photographed naked females and made them into jig saw puzzles. THAT BOY WAS A MARKETER. He proved it because his products made him his first million pounds. That was a great deal of money in 1947. The boy knew that some people liked nude pictures. He knew that jig saw puzzles were reasonably easy to produce and he knew enough about technical drawing, carpentry/joinery or wood turning to design templates and assemble his new marketing tools. He knew how much people would pay for nude female jig saws. He had accumulated enough knowledge of adhesives to stick paper to cardboard or wood which suited his wide variety of templates.

Markets come and go. The advent of page three nudes in the gutter press killed the nude female jigsaw market but it will come back in some form or other. I have been asked to start a jig saw workshop in our block of flats to amuse parents and children on long winter nights. One of the original nude jig saws would be a great acquisition for our group. A budding entrepreneur could try to find a market for porcine mothers nursing their young. Pigs make marvellous artists, models and a good picture of the touching sceene might encourage people to eat less pork and not consume suckling piglets. Sows will lie still for a very long time for any schoolboy or silly little girl who sees herself as a marketing guru. If you can afford a few gallons of beer go and find some sows and sell some pig portraits instead of whining to your lawyers.

Suckling pigs are an animal's baby so do some good and sell a few pig portraits.

laidback
09-28-2011, 11:16 AM
Lotto Magic: Longterm A rating with the Better Business Bureau.

Actually their rating is A-, and they are not accredited.
If you choose to believe that using this, or any Lotto "system" improves your chance of winning, have at it...! The reality is, however, that wheeling systems, number manipulations,and excluding "improbable" combinations really do not improve your chances of winning. A random draw is still a random draw, irregardless of how you pick and play your numbers. If you play 1 card in a 6/49 lotto, your chance of winning is 1 in 13,983,816, if you play 2, it is 2 in.... etc. etc...! To claim different is hype and BS.

kcvan2011
09-28-2011, 01:20 PM
Lotto Magic does not sell lottery software, it's a benefits club, the video on the site explains it.
BBB Accreditation is a PAID service, so any biz that's "accredited" just paid the BBB to be accredited,
that doesn't mean anything, paying for the word "accredited" means nothing.

I didn't ask for my name removed because I want to be anonymous, I asked my name removed because
you refer to me as a "culprit" and your postings are wrong. What am I a culprit of, exactly? Working hard daily
and earning money from longterm reliable programs that actually DO work?

Also there are names of other people here, they do not deserve their names on a scam site,
and the owner of Adland is probably not going to be thrilled about his place being called "corrupt"
in a thread started by a member.

kcvan2011
09-28-2011, 01:41 PM
Laidback,

With just 2 referrals in Lotto Magic, a member's lottery drawings are then "free" for that member, and the lottery winnings are shared within 5 levels, I was going to post my July 2009 commission report containing 122 downliners thru 5 levels, but I'm not allowed to post URLs here. When a ticket-holder has a winning ticket, that person wins 50% and the other half is divided 10% to the 5 people straight up. If anyone within 5 levels BELOW has a winning ticket, then we get 10% passed up if we're within 5 levels above. So with 122 people under me in the July 2009 report I was going to post, as a Power Captain, I had my own 9 monthly FL Lotto tickets AND 9 monthly Powerball tickets, and a month's worth of tickets being played from all those 122 people below me...FREE for ME, and I received $527 that month from a $5,270 winning ticket from someone 2 levels below me, that person got 50% and the the rest was divided 10% to me and also to 4 other people above him. I also get monthly recurring referral commissions...this has all been FREE for me since my first month because I brought in more than 2 people my first month so I've been raking in FREE MONTHLY COMMISSIONS and LOTTERY WINNINGS from TONS of tickets below me for 57 consecutive months since the beginning of 2007. It's a stunning system that's been worldwide for nearly 16 years and never duplicated. It's fantastic!

path2prosperity
09-28-2011, 02:39 PM
Watch your video Kathleen? Send your lawyer a copy of this and see what he she says.

Some British World War II prisoners were held at gunpoint and forced to speak to their countrymen over the airwaves. The Gestapo needed English speakers to broadcast propaganda about the humane treatment of POWs by the Germans. On one memorable occasion several speakers assured British radio, that they were delighted with their treatment in Germany, that it could not be better. The final words were something like this.

You can tell our story to the Army.


You can tell the story to the Navy.


You can tell our story to the Airforce

AND “TELL IT TO THE MARINES.”


There were not many Gestapo members who realized that “tell it to the marines,” was an English idiom, which means a “load of rubbish”. However most British people understood and the news spread like wildfire on the grapevine, far faster than it could have done, if the message had been sent by media transmissions alone.

The same techniques are applied in the cyberspace world. Many of the best scam breakers reside in the enemy camps or forums. These people relay powerful messages to a large majority, who assume it means one thing and a minority, who get the true meaning from a few words. People in the scam busting world take no notice of idle threats, which can fool less experienced masses. Scam busters know that most online threats are nothing but “hot air” from the crooks and scammers themselves.

Some of these con artists are very convincing. I watched a propaganda video about Club Asteria and the benefits of joining their global opportunity. It was presented by Andrea Lucas. Andrea Lucas is very well known online. She claims to have been a director of the World Bank. Was she? That is not what World Bank or most scam breakers will tell you.

Club Asteria Propaganda Video

What do most scam busters say about the video? I have absolutely no doubt about what I have to say and my views are not going to change. The comment is.

TELL THAT TO THE MARINES ANDREA and YOU TOO KATHLEEN.

laidback
09-28-2011, 03:06 PM
Laidback,

With just 2 referrals in Lotto Magic, a member's lottery drawings are then "free" for that member, and the lottery winnings are shared within 5 levels, I was going to post my July 2009 commission report containing 122 downliners thru 5 levels, but I'm not allowed to post URLs here. When a ticket-holder has a winning ticket, that person wins 50% and the other half is divided 10% to the 5 people straight up. If anyone within 5 levels BELOW has a winning ticket, then we get 10% passed up if we're within 5 levels above. So with 122 people under me in the July 2009 report I was going to post, as a Power Captain, I had my own 9 monthly FL Lotto tickets AND 9 monthly Powerball tickets, and a month's worth of tickets being played from all those 122 people below me...FREE for ME, and I received $527 that month from a $5,270 winning ticket from someone 2 levels below me, that person got 50% and the the rest was divided 10% to me and also to 4 other people above him. I also get monthly recurring referral commissions...this has all been FREE for me since my first month because I brought in more than 2 people my first month so I've been raking in FREE MONTHLY COMMISSIONS and LOTTERY WINNINGS from TONS of tickets below me for 57 consecutive months since the beginning of 2007. It's a stunning system that's been worldwide for nearly 16 years and never duplicated. It's fantastic!

My mistake, this isn't a legitimate software business, this is a money/ponzi/pyramid/matrix game...! Without winnings it becomes a situation where the money from downlines is paying the "profits"

kcvan2011
09-28-2011, 04:06 PM
Wrong again. Lotto Magic also has 2 joining options that are NOT part of a downline situation, just for people who want the benefits of membership, such as lottery tickets and discounts on travel/hotels, etc.

Any business that offers joining options just for the products/service and not for the referral commissions is NOT considered a ponzi.

If it wasn't legal, it wouldn't be around for 16 years.

This business started way back in 1996 in mail-order and didn't even go online until 6 years ago, nearly the entire first decade in business was an offline business and thousands of people joined, just from seeing ads for it in printed publications. Lotto Magic has dominated the mail-order industry for 16 years, lots of mail-order publishers have been members since the very beginning, and they've seen everything, and they knew this was great is STILL IS GREAT, and there's nothing like it anywhere in the world. It's fantastic!

kcvan2011
09-28-2011, 04:08 PM
Team Player and Power Player, those are the other 2 joining options that only get the benefits, and not any MLM commissions. There are lots of Team Players and Power Players. This is a legitimate business, always has been, always will be, I trust the administration completely, I can say that it ALWAYS WILL BE, with absolute certainty in the integrity of the administration.

kcvan2011
09-28-2011, 04:29 PM
If you people don't know that "accredited" by the BBB can be paid for by anyone, and it means nothing but so-called accredited companies shelled out money to pay for the word just so unknowledgeable people think it means something...

and if you don't know that non-referral-based options make something NOT a ponzi...

then what are you doing here?

kcvan2011
09-28-2011, 04:50 PM
Paid to be "accredited" actually makes me think the BBB means nothing, how could it mean anything if people can PAY to be "accredited" just to make consumers think they're above other companies that are not accredited? Maybe the Better Business Bureau should be your next target.

path2prosperity
09-28-2011, 05:17 PM
Also there are names of other people here, they do not deserve their names on a scam site,
and the owner of Adland is probably not going to be thrilled about his place being called "corrupt"
in a thread started by a member.

If Bogdan Fiedur does not like his name on a scam site, why doesn't he PAY RESEARCHERS to police it? I thought that he was supposed to be a multimillionaire.

kcvan2011
09-28-2011, 05:42 PM
This entire thread should not even exist, an ad I paid for to be sent to 6,000 members of Adlandpro was copied & pasted here in portions, an ad that I PAID FOR to HELP one of my members, not even for myself, I PAID for an ad for another person, just like I say I do...and I got called a "culprit" for doing well in business(es) that are absolutely paying out just like they say they will and have been for years worldwide. This has been here for months and I just found it yesterday. There's no reason for this thread to have been started at all. Then I find out that you people don't even know what you're talking about. You wonder why and how I earn so much? Because I obviously understand MLM's and the BBB more than some of you do. I explain things well, in a way that people understand it, that's how and why I'm successful. I do all that every day, I've been doing it for years and years and years, and I'll continue for many more years.

Whip
09-28-2011, 05:58 PM
Yet you've brought absolutely nothing to 'prove' anyone wrong. Argue what people have stated is 'wrong' or quit whining.

kcvan2011
09-28-2011, 06:04 PM
I did, go back and read it, or click thru the Adland forum link at the top of page 3 and read me there, my URLs are posted at that Adland forum.

How did any of you prove yourselves right? Prove yourselves right.

okosh
09-28-2011, 11:09 PM
Lotto Magic does not sell lottery software, it's a benefits club, the video on the site explains it.
BBB Accreditation is a PAID service, so any biz that's "accredited" just paid the BBB to be accredited,
that doesn't mean anything, paying for the word "accredited" means nothing.

I didn't ask for my name removed because I want to be anonymous, I asked my name removed because
you refer to me as a "culprit" and your postings are wrong. What am I a culprit of, exactly? Working hard daily
and earning money from longterm reliable programs that actually DO work?

Also there are names of other people here, they do not deserve their names on a scam site,
and the owner of Adland is probably not going to be thrilled about his place being called "corrupt"
in a thread started by a member.

Wah....Wah ....Wah.....cry me a river :Fiddler:

path2prosperity
09-28-2011, 11:33 PM
This entire thread should not even exist, an ad I paid for to be sent to 6,000 members of Adlandpro was copied & pasted here in portions, an ad that I PAID FOR to HELP one of my members, not even for myself, I PAID for an ad for another person.

You paid for an ad on a ponzi promoting forum and paid for one of your student promoters to advertise on a board where anybody hawking anything can advertise. What combination of frauds can’t you sell there? Below are a few of the products which are permitted on Adlandpro. I have the links to publish on my own blog.

Letters from Christ.
Indian Brides.
Messages from Galactic spirits.
F5M millionaires club crap.
Polytheistic (pagan) religious philosophy.
Peruvian shamanistic art forms inspired under the influence of one of the most powerful hallucinogenic drugs on the planet.
British titles. Find out if Adland's Sir Roger was gonged by HRH? The owner of Adlandpro or his mods should not allow this sort of con artistry.

littleroundman
09-28-2011, 11:42 PM
http://www.fraud.org/graphics/tele%20tips/lotteries.gif



Crooks take advantage of our natural desire to win. You see state lotteries and other contests advertised all the time. Why shouldn’t it be your turn to win? So when someone presents the chance to play a foreign lottery, it may seem like the perfect opportunity.
·
It’s illegal to use the mail or telephone to play lotteries across borders. U.S. law prohibits it, not only across national borders but state lines as well. So you could end up being accused of illegal activities just by participating.
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No matter how official these solicitations look or sound, they’re not real. Sometimes the lotteries actually exist, but invitations to play don’t come from governments that operate legitimate lotteries or anyone connected to them. And there is no way of assuring that you’ll ever get the tickets you pay for or, in the unlikely event that you win, you’ll be able to collect the money. The crooks will simply pocket it.
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Joining a lottery “club” won’t improve your chances of winning foreign lotteries. Con artists claim that pooling your money with other people means you can buy more tickets and have more chances to win. But the odds of winning remain tiny, and you still don’t know if tickets will actually be bought or if you’ll ever be able to collect.
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Giving your credit card or bank account numbers to strangers is dangerous. Crooks can use that information to make unauthorized charges or debits to your accounts, in some cases repeatedly. You may not find out until you get your next statement.
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Lottery scammers often insist the money be wired to them. That makes it quicker for them to get it and harder to trace.
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Your chances of recovering money from foreign crooks may be even worse than of actually winning a lottery. Most lottery scams are perpetrated by con artists in other countries, sometimes using U.S. addresses to disguise their real locations. Differences in legal systems, difficulties of conducting investigations in other countries, and expenses and other complications involved in pursuing cross-border fraud make the chances of getting your money back very, very slim.
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The only guarantee is that you’ll end up on more “sucker lists.” When you respond to a lottery solicitation, you identify yourself as a potential victim, resulting in many more offers for lotteries and other fraudulent money making opportunities.











Tips for Avoiding Lottery Scams, from the National Fraud Information Center (http://www.fraud.org/tips/telemarketing/lotteries.htm)

littleroundman
09-28-2011, 11:56 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Illegal.jpg


News Release - Charges Filed Against Lottery Club Operators (http://www.myfloridalegal.com/newsrel.nsf/newsreleases/A42D274B508AEB1485256569005DE56F)

littleroundman
09-29-2011, 12:06 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/illegalaswell.jpg

Financial Planning Fraud Center: Scam Alerts (http://financialplan.about.com/od/fraudandfinancialscams/a/FraudCenter.htm)

littleroundman
09-29-2011, 12:21 AM
Lotto Magic does not sell lottery software, it's a benefits club, the video on the site explains it.
BBB Accreditation is a PAID service, so any biz that's "accredited" just paid the BBB to be accredited,
that doesn't mean anything, paying for the word "accredited" means nothing.

I didn't ask for my name removed because I want to be anonymous, I asked my name removed because
you refer to me as a "culprit" and your postings are wrong. What am I a culprit of, exactly? Working hard daily
and earning money from longterm reliable programs that actually DO work?

Also there are names of other people here, they do not deserve their names on a scam site,
and the owner of Adland is probably not going to be thrilled about his place being called "corrupt"
in a thread started by a member.

Need any more examples, Kathleen ??

There's 3 above.

I can get more if you want.

Remember our slogan:

http://www.realscam.com/images/misc/realscam-logo1.gif

As usual, readers can decide for themselves whether your lottery biz is either legal or legit.

path2prosperity
09-29-2011, 04:28 AM
What does Australian or Canadian law have to say about people like Adlanpro's self styled "Sir Roger" who have not received their gongs from HRH?

Is that an attempt to convince Americans that Ez promoters and Kathleen's genre of scams are recognised by Sir Roger andThe Crown?

littleroundman
09-29-2011, 06:08 AM
AFAIK, there's nothing wrong with using whatever forum identity he chooses.

It's pretty obvious, (to me at least) Roger Macdivitt is no more a "sir" than Littleroundman is "little" or "round"

path2prosperity
09-29-2011, 08:10 AM
AFAIK, there's nothing wrong with using whatever forum identity he chooses.

It's pretty obvious, (to me at least) Roger Macdivitt is no more a "sir" than Littleroundman is "little" or "round"

If (Sir Roger) has not assumed this title with the with the INTENTION of defrauding people into the belief that he has been knighted, I owe him an apology. However, I consider it to be extremely "bad taste!" and it will suggests "common little jerk" to a large percentage of our population. If he had "style" like "Dame Edna" British people would love it!

scratchycat
09-29-2011, 08:30 AM
Good Morning and thanks for the posts. I do not know what HRH means. If I am not mistaken the "sir" you refer to was initially given by me when a caricature of a knight on horse appeared. Most just picked up it from there and it has been used mainly as a joke IMO. It is sad that the community referred to here is so full of spam, fraud, mlms, pyramids and such other trash. I suppose it brings in the money. It is not the reason I participate. I promote the Arts, I like friends, and I love to see photographs from all over the world taken by local people. I simply doubt that even ONE sale takes place from the promotion. This summer one of the artists I featured wound up getting lots of commissions from his local people and was working hard trying to fulfill the requests.

I am not defending anyone, just saying what I know to be true. There is always much more to people online than is presented to the public. It is why you are here and the same for me as I want to alert others about the dirty schemes. There are so many and I see new ones each day. It is good that RealScam is helping to fight this and it is my desire to continue and help where I can.

kcvan2011
09-29-2011, 09:10 AM
In reply to littleroundman up there...

Lotto Magic was not online in 2004.

Lotto Magic company has never done phone promotions, and affiliates are warned not to phone-blast or fax-blast.

So your assumptions are still wrong.

It's a BENEFITS CLUB, and ONE of the benefits is a lottery club, but that's not the entirety of it. Other benefits include discounts on shopping, travel, and entertainment. So you can't just lump it into "lotteries".

I'd really like to see a scam-site-busters site, because this entire thread was only started to victimize me as a person, if it was about EZWS, there would be no reason to mention my name. You people don't stay on focus. I earn money because I focus on earning money. If you wanted to bust scams you'd stay on focus. You've busted nothing. You had months before I saw this thread, you've had nearly 4 years to prove EZWS of anything wrong, a lifetime to prove Lotto Magic of anything wrong. All you people accomplish is victimization and time-wasting. Where's the policing of the scam sites to make sure they're really busting scams and not just victimizing people? I'm done here. I'm going back to my busy days of advertising all over the internet and raking in more dough-ola and more passive dough-ola from longterm reliable businesses with my longterm HUGE TEAMS I have in those because I've been promoting for YEARS with no end in site to either of those businesses and no end in site to ME as an advertiser either, because I'm a longterm reliable person, and that speaks for itself, I still have copies of Emerald Coast News from the 1990's when Lotto Magic first started and was introduced to the mail-order world, and there's nothing you can do about it! We're here to stay!!

Do you see THIS? The DISCLAIMER on the bottom of the main page of this "RealScam" site:
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed on this website are solely those of their respective authors.
Basically, this site says itself that's it's unreliable. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
I've provided proof of my longterm income in 2 businesses, and there's no proof that RealScam is real anything but OPINIONS! HA!!!!!

path2prosperity
09-29-2011, 09:26 AM
Good Morning and thanks for the posts. I do not know what HRH means. If I am not mistaken the "sir" you refer to was initially given by me when a caricature of a knight on horse appeared. Most just picked up it from there and it has been used mainly as a joke IMO. It is sad that the community referred to here is so full of spam, fraud, mlms, pyramids and such other trash. I suppose it brings in the money. It is not the reason I participate. I promote the Arts, I like friends, and I love to see photographs from all over the world taken by local people. I simply doubt that even ONE sale takes place from the promotion. This summer one of the artists I featured wound up getting lots of commissions from his local people and was working hard trying to fulfill the requests.

I am not defending anyone, just saying what I know to be true. There is always much more to people online than is presented to the public. It is why you are here and the same for me as I want to alert others about the dirty schemes. There are so many and I see new ones each day. It is good that RealScam is helping to fight this and it is my desire to continue and help where I can.

I do not think that anybody has called you Sir HM. You mate Roger calls himself Sir! I think it is bad taste as only Her Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth knights people.

oldcoot
09-29-2011, 09:26 AM
Bloody Hell folks - how many ways is it possible to say that ez wealth solutions is an outright and despicable SCAM? Defending the indefensible is becoming something of an exercise in futility. If Kathleen Van Becombe and Sir Roger the Lodger the Sod who rogered the landlords daughter while swearing an oath to defend her honour, have made money with this it only goes to show that there are no depths to which they will not sink to make a buck. To the average individual with at least one active brain cell, ez wealth solutions has all the credibility of a bishop in a Whore house. But, as we know, bishops never go into Whore houses so maybe it is time to lock this purile exercise in "who can tell the biggest lies"?

littleroundman
09-29-2011, 09:28 AM
Yeah, yeah,

rationalize,

justify,

distract,

divert,

rationalize,

justify,

distract,

divert.

You're wrong

It's illegal,

End of story.

Will you stop doing it ??

no way.

path2prosperity
09-29-2011, 10:14 AM
Good Morning and thanks for the posts. I do not know what HRH means. If I am not mistaken the "sir" you refer to was initially given by me when a caricature of a knight on horse appeared.

am not defending anyone, just saying what I know to be true. There is always much more to people online than is presented to the public. It is why you are here and the same for me as I want to alert others about the dirty schemes. There are so many and I see new ones each day. It is good that RealScam is helping to fight this and it is my desire to continue and help where I can.

I think that old coot summed up the situation. "Sir Roger" is about the least desirable name one could possibly choose for a forum persona, as the picture which it brought to his mind was the same one that came into my mind when Adland's Roger adopted it. If one wishes to be a laughing stock among the "chattering classes" in UK, call yourself "Sir Roger."

It looks as if Kathleen has ridden off into the sunset with her knight in shining armour to collect some more lotto magic or EZwealth. I do not think you or anybody needs to worry about threats from her lawyers.

WELL DONE YOU LRM and OLD COOT

littleroundman
09-29-2011, 10:17 AM
Bloody Hell folks - how many ways is it possible to say that ez wealth solutions is an outright and despicable SCAM? Defending the indefensible is becoming something of an exercise in futility. If Kathleen Van Becombe and Sir Roger the Lodger the Sod who rogered the landlords daughter while swearing an oath to defend her honour, have made money with this it only goes to show that there are no depths to which they will not sink to make a buck. To the average individual with at least one active brain cell, ez wealth solutions has all the credibility of a bishop in a Whore house. But, as we know, bishops never go into Whore houses so maybe it is time to lock this purile exercise in "who can tell the biggest lies"?

I think it's important for readers to recognize that there's a growing substrata of society for whom greed IS good and "I got mine" is how they determine whether or not an opportunity is legitimate and/or illegal.

I don't know Kathleen Vandeekom and, for all I know, she may consider herself an honest, hardworking God fearin' person.

What I DO know (and have proven to her above) is that she is knowingly and willingly participating in several illegal online frauds.

If ONE person becomes aware of the potential dangers of becoming involved in those or similar operations, then it is worth what little effort it has taken thus far.

The purpose of this forum has never been to save the world, and I certainly don't have a cape and wear my underpants on the outside of my leotards a'la Superman.

Providing the information so people can make up their own minds is why this thread will remain open.

littleroundman
09-29-2011, 10:22 AM
I think that old coot summed up the situation. "Sir Roger" is about the least desirable name one could possibly choose as the picture which it brought to his mind was the same one that came into my mind. If one wishes to be a laughing stock among the "chattering classes" in UK, call yourself "Sir Roger"

True,

but think of it this way:

He's doing a much better job of getting people to laugh at him and treat him with disdain than you and I could ever possibly hope to do.

NOBODY, and I do mean NOBODY with an ounce of common sense treats him or his self proclaimed knighthood seriously.

scratchycat
09-29-2011, 04:19 PM
I do not think that anybody has called you Sir HM. You mate Roger calls himself Sir! I think it is bad taste as only Her Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth knights people.

What I meant was I gave him the title when he used knight in shining armor for a profile pic. See, I don't live in UK, he does, so it was just poking fun but took on among members.

scratchycat
09-29-2011, 04:20 PM
Bloody Hell folks - how many ways is it possible to say that ez wealth solutions is an outright and despicable SCAM? Defending the indefensible is becoming something of an exercise in futility. If Kathleen Van Becombe and Sir Roger the Lodger the Sod who rogered the landlords daughter while swearing an oath to defend her honour, have made money with this it only goes to show that there are no depths to which they will not sink to make a buck. To the average individual with at least one active brain cell, ez wealth solutions has all the credibility of a bishop in a Whore house. But, as we know, bishops never go into Whore houses so maybe it is time to lock this purile exercise in "who can tell the biggest lies"?
If it clucks like a chicken, walks like a chicken, it must be a chicken.

scratchycat
09-29-2011, 04:27 PM
I think it's important for readers to recognize that there's a growing substrata of society for whom greed IS good and "I got mine" is how they determine whether or not an opportunity is legitimate and/or illegal.

I don't know Kathleen Vandeekom and, for all I know, she may consider herself an honest, hardworking God fearin' person.

What I DO know (and have proven to her above) is that she is knowingly and willingly participating in several illegal online frauds.

If ONE person becomes aware of the potential dangers of becoming involved in those or similar operations, then it is worth what little effort it has taken thus far.

The purpose of this forum has never been to save the world, and I certainly don't have a cape and wear my underpants on the outside of my leotards a'la Superman.

Providing the information so people can make up their own minds is why this thread will remain open.

Thank you LRM, OC, and P2P. LRM, I think you have summarized what this is all about. It is not a personal attack, it is exposing Real Scam. It would be a shame if all these years of collecting funds had to be repaid. Just sayin'...

path2prosperity
09-29-2011, 10:58 PM
Thank you LRM, OC, and P2P. LRM, I think you have summarized what this is all about. It is not a personal attack.

The fact that you cast aspersions on Kathleen Vanbeenkom’s promotion of Ez and other scams and helped to chase her out of this community, has raised your status in the scam busting communities.

The fact that you inadvertently named Roger McDavitt “Sir Roger” without knowing that it could convey the image of the lecherous “Sir Roger”, of male barrack room fame or the despicable little man with delusions of grandeur, was not your fault. I am sure that he is good at his own chosen profession, which we both know is landscape gardening. However he is not much good at projecting an online image. That is not your problem. It is his problem.

What will you make of our new member, the irritating “giggle girl” Lita?

I am not sure how to warn you not to give "lita" too many giggles at your expense. IMHO that one can go through an enemy’s alimentary canal and flush it out like a dose of Epsom salts.

scratchycat
09-30-2011, 08:01 AM
:RpS_scared: Thanks for the warning P2P!! :RpS_thumbup:

path2prosperity
10-02-2011, 04:28 PM
Katleen Vanbeenkom will tell you about that. I suggested that she flogged her snake oil remedies on WLD not here.

Cutting thru the myths about EZ Wealth Solution: | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2481109/CuttingthruthemythsaboutEZWealthSolution.aspx?flag =1)

Do you want to know the url that I opened for you on WLD Kathleen? Adlanders are pissed off with you. Go tell WLD lawyers what you know about legality of your scams.

Did Carl Haavardson make the video for you? Perhaps stros/manalo gave him the sack and you got his services cheap!

path2prosperity
10-04-2011, 06:18 AM
Did Katleen write this sales pitch herself? I would be very surprises as it looks to like the original version touted by the so called owners know as Jason and Stacey.

Kathleen Vonbeenkom's VERSION of the fradulent pitch.

QUOTE

Cutting thru the myths about EZ Wealth Solution:
10/2/2011 8:53:04 PM

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Cutting Thru The Myths About EZ Wealth Solution: An Ongoing Forum Series
New Reply This is the forum that kathleem moderates at Adlanpro

path2prosperity
10-08-2011, 05:54 AM
Von Beenkom's "autobiography?" Certainly the qualifications which she claims to enable her to speak of EZ family of scams as honest business (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2482046/AboutMeKathleenVanBeekom.aspx?flag=4).

littleroundman
10-08-2011, 06:50 AM
Geez,

I hope for young Kathleens' sake she has documented proof of all those income claims she's making.

Especially if she intends to continue venturing outside Adland and spreading the word all over the 'net.

DOUBLY especially if she wants to antagonize people not averse to corresponding with the FTC and similar organizations.

TRIPLY especially because she is using her real name and personal details.

Not real smart painting a bullseye on your own chest when you're thumbing your nose at the law, I wouldn't have thought.

oldcoot
10-08-2011, 09:22 AM
I have over 7,500 products on my hard drive. If you would like to have them, all you have to do is join Ezrip-off and buy them in easy instalments.
The first instalment is only $47, hardly worth my while collecting it so let me tell you a blatant lie – I'll buy them for you!
The second instalment is $97 and I will even allow you to rip off your friends by letting you sell the package to them for $97. This package sells all day at that price – I have personally sold over 17trillion of them.
For ease, I have split the remaining products into easily manageable packs and the price of each pack is only $200 more than the last one you bought.
Obviously you only need to sell one pack to break even. Sell two packs and you qualify for the title of Scum Bag as well as knowing that there are two more people in the world that have been robbed, suckered and shat upon from a great height.
If you get complaints that the products are all out of date, don't worry about it – you got paid, didn't you?
Oh. yes, as far as payments go, I will forward them to you since the affiliate web site I will provide you with doesn't allow your victims (oops, customers) to pay you directly.
You cannot sell any of these packages unless the buyer also joins my affiliate programme and tries to sell my crap (sorry, valuable products) to their own victims (there I go again! Customers!).
Obviously, just as I will not tell you, you should not tell your victomers that all the products are freely available from many download sites – that would rather defeat the object of the exercise.
Veritas Vos Libera

littleroundman
10-08-2011, 09:38 AM
Obviously, just as I will not tell you, you should not tell your victomers that all the products are freely available from many download sites – that would rather defeat the object of the exercise.

That's the bit that always makes me laugh.

They ARE all available for free.

If you ever get the chance point out that inconvenient truth to one of the squillionaire EZ Wealth Solutions shills, like our own Kathleen" the answer is usually "yes, but you can't get them all in the one place like you can with EZ Wealth Solutions"

IOW, you're paying for the privilege of having someone steal them and store them, then paying an inflated price for them as well

Does anyone REALLY believe EZ Wealth Solutions owns the publishing and distribution rights ???

Does anyone REALLY believe EZ Wealth solutions and/or Kathleen paid for them in the first place ???

A couple of hours of heavy pirating on Usenet and .............BINGO........... your very own version of EZWealth Solutions.

littleroundman
10-08-2011, 10:10 AM
WHAT MAKES EARNINGS CLAIMS ILLEGAL?





FTC & Earnings Claims

National Dynamics

National Dynamics Corporation, et al, 85 F.T.C. 1052 (June 17, 1975)




Ed. Note: The FTC has a long history of disliking earnings claims in both Business Opportunities and MLM. Here is just a brief summary of the some of the history that allows them to hit your company for earnings claims. For those of you that don't know prior rulings in court cases have the Effect of Law! This is called "precedent law - ask your MLM Lawyer! The following is from the National Dynamics court case:




FTC (used in many court cases)


“should be allowed to make a wide variety of simple, truthful, non-deceptive statements concerning the earnings of their distributors. At the same time, they must be prevented frombandying about high earnings achieved by a minority of purchasers with no indication of the unrepresentativeness of such earnings. If respondents lack evidence that the high reported earnings of a few distributors are in fact representative of the earnings of large numbers of other distributors, then it is clearly deceptive for them to portray the minority results reported to them without a clear indication of their unrepresentativeness.” *

*The FTC also held that National Dynamics must maintain records which substantiate that any past or present sales, profits, or earnings represented are accurate. Where ranges of sales, profits, or earnings are represented, such records shall be sufficient to substantiate the number of purchasers achieving results within any stated range and the time period during which such results were achieved. Where average or median figures are represented, such records shall be sufficient to substantiate that such median or average figures are accurate.

States and Earnings Claims

Six states, Georgia, Maryland, Louisiana, Puerto Rico, and Wyoming have statutes that limit earnings claims made by any SALES company. These are either in DIRECT SALES laws or Business Opportunity laws. “Two states, Massachusetts and Wyoming, prohibit income representations.”

ILLEGAL INCOME CLAIMS MLM WATCHDOG (http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/illegal_income_claims.html)

path2prosperity
10-10-2011, 03:01 PM
Geez,

I hope for young Kathleens' sake she has documented proof of all those income claims she's making.Especially if she intends to continue venturing outside Adland and spreading the word all over the 'net.

Vanbeenkom will not venture outside Adland again. She has established a reputation as a big fish over there but she causes trouble in their ranks and she has plenty of enemies in that quater as well as here. Bernier, Keilec and Oakley are Adland's top scammers now. I think it is quite safe to assume that this dog has has had her day.

zipory
10-13-2011, 03:07 AM
I hesitate to post here with all the "experts" blasting away at each other. Being a totally new member what interests me is whether any of you've ever considered that forums of this sort will be used for revenge purposes by members? I for one can attest that this scratchycat is here for that purpose only. Trying her d*amnest to besmirch "Kathleen". Whether EZ Wealth is legitimate or not doesn't interest her in the least. The user name suits her so well.

littleroundman
10-13-2011, 03:54 AM
I hesitate to post here with all the "experts" blasting away at each other. Being a totally new member what interests me is whether any of you've ever considered that forums of this sort will be used for revenge purposes by members? I for one can attest that this scratchycat is here for that purpose only. Trying her d*amnest to besmirch "Kathleen". Whether EZ Wealth is legitimate or not doesn't interest her in the least. The user name suits her so well.

Welcome to REALSCAM.com (http://RealScam.com) zipory.

You would have a valid point EXCEPT for the fact the evidence is there, whether a personal vendetta exists or not.

Lottery clubs are illegal in the USA.

People have been and continue to be prosecuted for a) running and b) participating in lottery clubs (see posts 105 (http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit-ez-wealth-solution-533/index5.html#post11129) 106 (http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit-ez-wealth-solution-533/index5.html#post11130) 107 (http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit-ez-wealth-solution-533/index5.html#post11131) above for confirmation)

Kathleen is on record as saying she supports and promotes a lottery club.

Facts are facts.


EZ Wealth Solutions fits neatly into a similar category.

Maybe to a naive newbie, it appears to be on the up and up, but it isn't.

a) EZ Wealth Solutions and Kathleen make unverified income claims.

Do yourself a favour and do a quick Google using the search terms "ftc income claims" and you'll see what the responsible government agency thinks of such income claims.

b) offering product/s of little or no value does NOT absolve EZWealth Solutions and/or its' representatives from complying with the relevant regulations WRT whether or not a business is a pyramid SCHEME or legitimate Multi Level Marketing operation.


Some people confuse pyramid and Ponzi schemes with legitimate multilevel marketing. Multilevel marketing programs are known as MLM's,(4) (http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm#N_4_) and unlike pyramid or Ponzi schemes, MLM's have a real product to sell. More importantly, MLM's actually sell their product to members of the general public, without requiring these consumers to pay anything extra or to join the MLM system. MLM's may pay commissions to a long string of distributors, but these commission are paid for real retail sales, not for new recruits. Read the Federal Trade Commissions stance here: "PYRAMID SCHEMES" (http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm)

Again, facts are facts.

What EZ Wealth Solutions uses as its' bait are NOT considered to be "real products" simply because they can be obtained cheaper, if not for free elsewhere.

It is entirely possible for members of EZ Wealth Solutions to profit from recruiting without selling product.

IOW, the fact you CAN make money solely from recruiting, is the problem.

Unless the company actively encourages retailing of the product as the primary source of income, it falls into the category of "pyramid SCHEME" rather than legitimate MLM.

Again, nothing to do with personalities and vendettas, it is what it is.


Anyone who is in any doubt, needs only to read through:


PREPARED STATEMENT OF

DEBRA A. VALENTINE, GENERAL COUNSEL FOR

THE U.S. FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION

on

"PYRAMID SCHEMES"

presented at the

INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND'S

SEMINAR ON CURRENT LEGAL ISSUES AFFECTING CENTRAL BANKS

Washington, D.C.

May 13, 1998
Read the full speech here: "PYRAMID SCHEMES" (http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm)

kcvan2011
10-13-2011, 09:14 AM
I have documented my income on video by recording my Commission Report from my laptop directly in front of my desktop monitor, that is the real deal, it's on Youtube and it's also on my website and also on Adlandpro. It's higher now than it was a few weeks ago when I made the recording.

We DO earn that much money, the product packages have prices of $47, $97, $247, $497, $997 or a combined total of up to $1,885. That's what new members pay for the Level Packages they want, and that's what we receive. Payments are made member to member usually by Alertpay or Paypal on the same day. The company never handles anyone's commissions. This is not a pyramid-shaped payplan, it's infinity paylines, 1-UP on Level 1 and 2-UP for Levels 2 thru 5, if you can imagine a lot of single strand vertical lines for Level 1, and a lot of double-strand vertical lines for each individual level, 2, 3, 4, and 5.

Everyone is required to watch the pay plan videos totalling 18 minutes before they ever put in any money to join, so nobody has any reason to say they didn't understand it, people can watch the pay plan videos as many times as they want BEFORE and AFTER joining. There's also a printed transcript of the compensation plan.

It's not just about Master Resale Rights, it's about easily being able to resell bundles of 100 or more products per package, because of the pay plan videos, and also receiving lots of passive income from people who join at higher levels under your resellers, because if someone directly under you is only at level 2, for example, and someone joins under them at all 5 levels, that person only gets the $97 and the $1,741 rolls up to you, and if that was the first signup of your direct referral, a $47 would also be paid to you, because each of your direct referrals has to pay in their first signup, and their first people also go into your Level 1 payline, and each of those firsts pays you $47 for their first. There's a lot of passive rollup income. I have over 360 people in my paylines, this is not MLM, my income does not depend on them, even if they all do nothing, we can still earn a great income from our own efforts. If they DO something, that's even better.

littleroundman
10-13-2011, 09:57 AM
You're talking force fed drivel, Kathleen.

"Force fed" as in: what your "upline" told you happens.

It becomes clearer with each post you make that you have absolutely no idea what you're involved in.

Your second paragraph above is enough to have you convicted in any court in the land, should you be unfortunate enough to fall foul of the FTC or similar agency.


It's not just about Master Resale Rights, it's about easily being able to resell bundles of 100 or more products per package, because of the pay plan videos, and also receiving lots of passive income from people who join at higher levels under your resellers, because if someone directly under you is only at level 2, for example, and someone joins under them at all 5 levels, that person only gets the $97 and the $1,741 rolls up to you, and if that was the first signup of your direct referral, a $47 would also be paid to you, because each of your direct referrals has to pay in their first signup, and their first people also go into your Level 1 payline, and each of those firsts pays you $47 for their first. There's a lot of passive rollup income. I have over 360 people in my paylines, this is not MLM, my income does not depend on them, even if they all do nothing, we can still earn a great income from our own efforts. If they DO something, that's even better.


that person only gets the $97 and the $1,741 rolls up to you, and if that was the first signup of your direct referral, a $47 would also be paid to you, because each of your direct referrals has to pay in their first signup, and their first people also go into your Level 1 payline, and each of those firsts pays you $47 for their first.

what more proof would a prosecutor need than your own words ??

"that person" gets $97

YOU get $1741

A perfect pyramid SCHEME scenario.

Get paid more from recruiting than selling.

Those at the bottom pay those at the top.

Nothing more needs to be said.

path2prosperity
10-13-2011, 09:57 AM
I hesitate to post here with all the "experts" blasting away at each other. Being a totally new member what interests me is whether any of you've ever considered that forums of this sort will be used for revenge purposes by members? I for one can attest that this scratchycat is here for that purpose only. Trying her d*amnest to besmirch "Kathleen". Whether EZ Wealth is legitimate or not doesn't interest her in the least. The user name suits her so well.

So we have a new member of RS who is an industrial psychometric profiler do we Jimbo? I would be rather interested in seeing a professional profile on this "scratchycat." It is not that expensive to have one done. Do you want to put up the money to have her tested? I am sure that she would be delighted to oblige you. You can get one done by Thomas International Management Systems for a small fee. They are extremely good and used by a lot of large companies. The free ones that they do online are not much good but if Kathleen earns so much, she could offer to get some tests done to endorse your opinions couldn't she?

scratchycat
10-13-2011, 10:19 AM
I hesitate to post here with all the "experts" blasting away at each other. Being a totally new member what interests me is whether any of you've ever considered that forums of this sort will be used for revenge purposes by members? I for one can attest that this scratchycat is here for that purpose only. Trying her d*amnest to besmirch "Kathleen". Whether EZ Wealth is legitimate or not doesn't interest her in the least. The user name suits her so well.

Did someone call "Kitty, Kitty"? Now who would this zipory be who would know about Scratchycat?? "I for one can ATTEST to the fact that...." Oh they love this color red!! Wow!! My claws should be out but I am purring and cleaning "you know what part of anatomy cats like to keep clean". Well, well, now what has this little kitty stirred up here? Must be some of my best showing up from one of the other communities. I just bet you do hesitate to post here... You will need to bring in your other pals so we can all have a party.
Meow!

path2prosperity
10-13-2011, 10:20 AM
I loved the avatar. I watched a BBC documentary about Toulouse Latrecht and his friends who used black cats like this as their avatars or signatures. I will look it up and see if I can find the member of Latrecht's circle who was a fanatic about black scratcycats. There is a famous picture of a black one next to a black and white one with marmelade colouring. Marmelade black and white cat was all soft and cuddly.

scratchycat
10-13-2011, 10:26 AM
If We SEE SOMETHING, We're Going To SAY SOMETHING | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2483300/IfWeSEESOMETHINGWereGoingToSAYSOMETHING.aspx)Looks like we have stirred up a small hornet's nest at ALP. Not that we want to discuss this community where there are many 'offers' being made constantly.

kcvan2011
10-13-2011, 10:26 AM
It's not a pyramid shape and there's no bottom, people are paying for product packages, they have to pay someone something if they want to earn unlimited commissions on those levels 2 thru 5 themselves, digital products with master resale rights are not free on 2 thru 5, only on Level 1.

You people don't even study any business plans, all you do is attack. The commission IS for the sale, the payments are FOR product packages, we are not getting paid to compile people. New members can join at Level 1 and pay for NO product packages, and STILL get 200 products if they join within 24 hours of taking the tour.

You can't seriously bash businesses if you've never even taken a serious look at them. If you've never SEEN the pay plan, how can you bash the pay plan? Go to the main site of ezwealthsolution and take the free tour, watch the 2 pay plan videos as many times as you want, take notes, be informed, instead of spewing speculation.

scratchycat
10-13-2011, 10:32 AM
So we have a new member of RS who is an industrial psychometric profiler do we Jimbo? I would be rather interested in seeing a professional profile on this "scratchycat." It is not that expensive to have one done. Do you want to put up the money to have her tested? I am sure that she would be delighted to oblige you. You can get one done by Thomas International Management Systems for a small fee. They are extremely good and used by a lot of large companies. The free ones that they do online are not much good but if Kathleen earns so much, she could offer to get some tests done to endorse your opinions couldn't she?
TESTED, you want to have Scratchcat TESTED!! Have you ever tried to give a black cat a bath?? You better bring sedation when you do it, I hate tests! Last time the doctor gave me an injection, I gave him a drop dead look!!! Well, test all they want, I hope they find something. This should be good.

However, none of this makes EZWealth and freefood2go legitimate, now does it?

littleroundman
10-13-2011, 10:32 AM
Straight out of the Fraudsters' Handbook.


Trying her d*amnest to besmirch "Kathleen". Whether EZ Wealth is legitimate or not doesn't interest her in the least.

Don't talk about what's been said,

instead, let's attack the messengers motives.

What is young Jimmy zipory saying here ??

Lottery clubs are legal and above board because "zipory" casts aspersions on the motives of those pointing out the obvious ??

Pyramid SCHEMES are only pyramid SCHEMES when those who point them out are pure as the driven snow ??

What DeepThroat revealed about Richard Nixon was invalid because he never explained his motives satisfactorily ??

S-t-r-a-n-g-e thought processes in the scam world these days.

Next we'll be being told it's not fair.

kcvan2011
10-13-2011, 10:36 AM
If people on this site don't want to discuss ALP, why are some ALP members names here all thru this site, even in other threads, who are not even involved in any businesses? Your first post mentioned Adland, you didn't need to mention that but you did, and someone else mentioned the owner's name, so saying you don't want to talk about ALP here...you DO. More than one of you DO, and you pull in people who are not in any businesses, even in other threads on this site, for no reason.

kcvan2011
10-13-2011, 10:39 AM
Lots of other Adlandpro members are in EZ Wealth Solution and Lotto Magic, some of them are good friends of yours, but you didn't target them, you targeted me deliberately because of past issues at Adlandpro. If you wanted to target businesses, you could just target businesses. Scam busting is about businesses and biz-owners, there are 100,000's or millions of advertisers all over the internet but you chose to target me BECAUSE of Adlandpro.

littleroundman
10-13-2011, 10:48 AM
It's not a pyramid shape and there's no bottom, people are paying for product packages, they have to pay someone something if they want to earn unlimited commissions on those levels 2 thru 5 themselves, digital products with master resale rights are not free on 2 thru 5, only on Level 1.

You people don't even study any business plans, all you do is attack. The commission IS for the sale, the payments are FOR product packages, we are not getting paid to compile people. New members can join at Level 1 and pay for NO product packages, and STILL get 200 products if they join within 24 hours of taking the tour.

You can't seriously bash businesses if you've never even taken a serious look at them. If you've never SEEN the pay plan, how can you bash the pay plan? Go to the main site of ezwealthsolution and take the free tour, watch the 2 pay plan videos as many times as you want, take notes, be informed, instead of spewing speculation.


How the bloody hell do you know WHAT posters have seen, studied, experienced or learned ??

You have no clue.

Just like the so called businesses you promote, it's all supposition, smoke and mirrors.

A pyramid SCHEME is NOT necessarily pyramid SHAPED

People post legitimate articles and/or links to the FTC regulations and definitions, but, as usual, you can lead a horse to water.............

Once again:

lottery clubs are illegal in the USA.

EZ Wealth Creation is a classic pyramid SCHEME as per the definition given by:

DEBRA A. VALENTINE, GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE U.S. FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION on this website: "PYRAMID SCHEMES" (http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm)

The fact you choose to not read, or ignore the information provided does nothing to alter the fact/s.

The fact you choose to attack posters here, likewise, does nothing to alter the facts.

The fact that EzWealth Creations and Lotto Magic have not thus far been prosecuted does nothing to alter the facts.

The fact that EZWealth Creations have pseudo "products" available does nothing to alter the facts.

kcvan2011
10-13-2011, 10:50 AM
The post about small number of high earners...FTC...ANYONE can earn a large income from EZ Wealth Solution if they focus on it, ANYONE. Most people don't focus, not even you people here, your conversations go off track to stuff that's not even about scam-busting, I mentioned that before.

Here's what I did:

Filtered all my incoming safelist mail, dozens of safelists

I advertise daily to dozens of ad sources

I follow up with each tour taker the same day they take the tour, by personal email

I follow up will all tour-takers and resellers several times per week as a group

When new people join, I send them all my dozens of free ad sources & lots of subject-lines & tweets, there are pre-written ads in the backoffice

I stay in constant communication with my entire group of over 360 people, and more joining constantly

Daily, daily, daily, daily, daily, daily, daily.

That's what it takes, and that's what most people DON'T DO. They know what they SHOULD DO, but they DON'T.
People CHOOSE NOT to take the actions that will bring them a large consistent income.
The only goal is to get tour-takers to the site, that's not a great difficulty, it only requires posting ads.

path2prosperity
10-13-2011, 10:55 AM
However, none of this makes EZWealth and freefood2go legitimate, now does it?

You forgot autoXten Jimbo's other scam.

littleroundman
10-13-2011, 10:57 AM
Scam busting is about businesses and biz-owners, there are 100,000's or millions of advertisers all over the internet but you chose to target me BECAUSE of Adlandpro.

Who is "scambusting" ???

Where does it say anywhere on REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) that the site is setting out to save the world ??

http://www.realscam.com/images/misc/realscam-logo1.gif

How much clearer can we be ???

"Is it, or isn't it? YOU decide"

I gotta tell ya, Kathleen, so far you're doing a stellar job of helping readers do just that.

Decide for themselves whether the FTC and several states' Attorneys General are right or whether someone who attacks everyone and everything EXCEPT those who are breaking the law.

kcvan2011
10-13-2011, 10:59 AM
Let's just look at the most popular and affordable Level...As of right now, I've received 219 commissions of $97 for Level 2 totalling $21,243. Just from THAT level, the one most people pay for, I've earned a notable income just from THAT, and not including Level 3 (72 sales for $247 totalling $17,784) so the total of Levels 2 & 3, the two most popular levels add up to over $39,000. That's more than a lot of Americans earn from working for a year.

Anyone can make numerous sales of Level 2, anyone. Lots of members make multiple sales of Level 2 daily.

littleroundman
10-13-2011, 11:00 AM
Out of the mouths' of babes:


because if someone directly under you is only at level 2, for example, and someone joins under them at all 5 levels, that person only gets the $97 and the $1,741 rolls up to you,

pyramid SCHEME

'nuff said.

kcvan2011
10-13-2011, 11:02 AM
I joined EZ Wealth Solution on approximately the same day RealScam opened, and I've generated approximately $80,000 and MOST of it was thru my own efforts, because MOST members don't take the actions daily to get tour-takers to their sites. In 16 months, I earned a great income mostly because of myself, and RealScam and all the other scam sites haven't shut EZWS down, because IT WORKS the way it says it works for people who put in an effort.

kcvan2011
10-13-2011, 11:06 AM
The person at Level 2 can upgrade at any time, using their income from EZWS, that's how it works. If they are pulling in $97's, they can eventually put that money toward upgrading to Level 3 for $247 so they can then earn $247's (or $344s for 2&3 together) and put that toward upgrading to Level 4 for $497 and earn $497's ($841 for the total of 2,3,4) and put that toward upgrading to Level 5 for $997 and then be able to earn up to the full combination over $1,800 when people order all 5 package levels thru them. People can start with the free Level 1 and work their way up by using their incoming commissions. It's a powerful system that people can get free entry into and earn their way forward.

Soapboxmom
10-13-2011, 11:13 AM
It is a math game pure and simple. How many people on the bottom have to pay in and lose their money for the top guys like you to profit??? Simple math. I would say conservatively 97% in a pyramid scheme pay in and lose money plus face the possibility of losing thousands more promoting these sleazy deals from having calculated the loss rates for some of these deals. Prove me wrong.

:duh:

Soapboxmom

kcvan2011
10-13-2011, 11:20 AM
There's no bottom, it's all infinity paylines. Anyone can make their way to the top at any time, they can earn their way to the top gradually or pay for all 5 package levels immediately when they join and be at the top, then start earning full commissions after passing up the qualifying sales per level, just like I did, everyone knows that BEFORE they join. Nobody is being taken advantage of, they can watch the pay plan videos and read the compensation plan as many times as they want before they join, it's actually mandatory that everyone watch the pay plan videos before being allowed to join.

littleroundman
10-13-2011, 11:20 AM
and I've generated approximately $80,000 and MOST of it was thru my own efforts,

Andy Bowdoin generated USD $80 MILLION most of it was through his own efforts,

Bernard Madoff generated around USD $65 BILLION most of it was through his own efforts

AND ?????

Generating income proves what, exactly ??

Lottery clubs are illegal, whether they generate income or not.

Pyramid schemes are illegal, whether they generate income or not.

Come to think of it, wouldn't things be a lot easier if all scams DIDN'T generate income ??

That's what makes a scam a scam, otherwise people wouldn't bother to do them.

scratchycat
10-13-2011, 11:24 AM
kcvan, you should write a book, maybe several about internet marketing because you are so well informed. Then, you could market that book and make a fortune the legal way.

Trying to put the blame on Scratchycat to make yourself feel better is just another way of exposing yourself to the world. I have been in cat fights before, everyone gets hurt and nothing is solved.

I would like to see all Scumbags and Crooks who take money from suckers be put behind bars or at least where they cannot suck the blood from their victims. Crooks are breaking the law and should be judged by the law.

But keep it coming, I feel sure lots of folks are enjoying this.

path2prosperity
10-13-2011, 11:48 AM
If people on this site don't want to discuss ALP, why are some ALP members names here all thru this site, even in other threads, who are not even involved in any businesses?

I was invited to open a thread about Adland as it is a ponzi promoting forum. If Bogdan doesn't police the forum and allows scams like freefood2go, autoxten, and EZ that is his bad luck.

There are some very interesting people in Adland Kathleen such as http://community.adlandpro.com/members/356643.aspx

scratchycat
10-13-2011, 05:01 PM
Was fixing to close down but saw this and just had to come post it. Seems to tell a lot about certain people and I don't mean members of this community.

I just decided to stop in and show my gratitude on behalf of all parties
for the support you and other members of this forum have shown us!

As I was reading through your forum posts, I was wondering if anyone
would finally expose Judy Horton for the miserable busy body she is.
If Jim hadn't, i would have here today and if you go look at her scam
forum, you will see that she totally has all her facts screwed up!

eg; John Kielec & Maurice Bernier are the same person.
John Kielec was dying.

These people are only jealous because they don't know how to create
success online and channel their energies into attacking those that are!

This woman was even attacking Bogdan at one point and he was made
aware of it this past summer when I contacted him.

Judy Horton became aware of me when I went into her forum and challenged
her with the actual facts. In particular, the over 200 posts at the time where
our members had already announced being paid. Guess they aren't real either
I told her! lol

Anyway, the bottom line is this:

I doubt she has much time left on this good earth and the supporters she had
(Other Busy Bodies) at the time were only 3 or 4 in total.

Ignoring these types of people are usually the best way to deal with them since
they are only out seeking much needed attention because of the lack of love
in their lives.

Eventually, they will have to answer for the damage they do to a higher power.
I for one can't wait till that day comes since they also hurt our members in the
process!

Thanks once again all of you for your support and kind words,


Maurice

I don't even know Maurice except he is in my friends list. F5M surely looks to be nothing but what has been said here.

There is more trash if anyone cares to read it. This community keeps being referred to!!
5-If We SEE SOMETHING, We're Going To SAY SOMETHING | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2483300/IfWeSEESOMETHINGWereGoingToSAYSOMETHING/5.aspx)

For me, little ruffed up kittycat, I am giving it a rest. Better things to do as all has come to light just as we would have wanted.

path2prosperity
10-13-2011, 05:27 PM
Was fixing to close down but saw this and just had to come post it. Seems to tell a lot about certain people and I don't mean members of this community.


I don't even know Maurice except he is in my friends list. F5M surely looks to be nothing but what has been said here.

There is more trash if anyone cares to read it. This community keeps being referred to!!
5-If We SEE SOMETHING, We're Going To SAY SOMETHING | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2483300/IfWeSEESOMETHINGWereGoingToSAYSOMETHING/5.aspx)

For me, little ruffed up kittycat, I am giving it a rest. Better things to do as all has come to light just as we would have wanted.

Bernier's F5Mmillionaires club. Joke of the day and Bachman's Mountain of Love. Nothing more needs to be said about Scamlandpro,

Soapboxmom
10-14-2011, 09:50 PM
http://community.adlandpro.com/Images/light_gray_unlit.pngKathleen (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/5146.aspx)
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10/14/2011 1:24:16 PM




Hi Peter,
When members here realize that a couple of people, a current member and former member, are taking aim at people in this community, and the community as a whole, throwing darts at us from across the internet, just to get their jollies, I think this place will start to wake up very quickly. No one is safe from that, and the "rules" of that other place are not enforced about "no personal attacks or name calling" because we could go thru post by post by post and make a long list of attacks and names against me while I was there, and probably happened to Maurice and others in other threads. I was called a "culprit" in the first post, I asked at least twice since then WHY, I asked THERE and HERE and still have had no explanation to the "culprit" accusation within WEEKS. Because I am NOT a "culprit".
Does the Admin of that scam site DO anything to enforce her own rules? NO.





http://community.adlandpro.com/Images/light_gray_unlit.pngKathleen (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/5146.aspx)
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10/14/2011 1:56:44 PM




Everyone in this entire community AND at Adlanders In Facebook need to have the GUTS to stand up to that person and let her know this community is NOT her personal dartboard, we're all not going to sit idly by and let one or two people deliberately and constantly take aim at numerous members while they stand back in their anonymous dark places, one of which has now had a spotlight turned toward it, aiming at random hits & misses of any name they feel like spewing out on their poison keyboards. Remember, that's only ONE scam site where they've posted names of numerous Adlandpro Community members, there are probably many more that we haven't even found yet. That person needs to be kept in a constant spotlight, the same way that unsuspecting members here have had done to us. What's a name for that behavior? Multi counts of cyber-stalking?





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Kathleen,

You are posting in a public forum for anyone across this planet to read. People reading and commenting on your drivel cannot possibly be construed as cyberstalking. If you choose to publicly advertise an obvious scam under your own name, you should not be surprised to find you are being publicly called out for it. Your scamming goon friend calling himself Walt Bayliss of some Team Bayliss has been melting down in my e-mail box. He outright lied and said he needed information for law enforcement. Trying to BS me doesn't work.

Threatening our members won't get you anywhere either scammers. Someone is certainly in the spotlight. Congratulations on drawing lots more attention to your pyramid scheme, Kathleen. And, if any more of your clown patrol wants to send more threatening and lie-filled e-mails I will be happy to publish them and respond right here on the thread.

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
10-14-2011, 11:05 PM
I.R.S. ?????

Tax paid ??

Income declared ???

Lil Ol' Radical Me
10-15-2011, 09:30 AM
After reading this thread two things come out clearly.

1. The "business" called EZ Wealth Solution that was asked about is an illegal business with a ponzi structure - and it is irrelevant whether someone has made money out of it. LRM and others have already pointed out that so did Maddoff and Bowdoin. In Bowdoin's case, other people further down the line made money. It didnt make their businesses legal either. A lot of people lost money (though in the case of ASD, the US Government rescued part of the ill gotten gains and were able to return the victims their investments) and they always will.

Illegal means illegal, and the argument about infinite downlines doesn't stick due to the "minor" issue of saturation of markets. Real businesses make and sell products and services with intrinsic value without the need of downlines to survive or profit. It doesnt matter what your motivation is if you participate in an illegal business, you are breaking the law and ignorance of the law is no defence. Period.

2. The AdlandPro story is that of a group of people who joined an internet marketing community trying to make money online, usually for the first time. Adland Pro does and always has permitted the promotion of illegal internet schemes on its board. It also has a "warm fuzzy" social side that gives people a "friendly place to go". Meanwhile every major scam and a large number of the minor ones are introduced there and picked up by their stooges, the popular members, and promoted to the ignorant and sometimes needy. It is good to see one of them come over here and try to defend their program (albeit without success. lol),as it means that there is more googleable information out of the web. Threats to sue are amusing - have they never heard of Discovery?

However, although this thread is of great value to anyone who passes by, or follows a link to it, if your concern is the promotion of EZ Wealth or any other scam on AdlandPro, the place to post the information is over there, in order to warn its own members.

Adland Pro (and its owner) is just another facilitator of illegal schemes, and always has been, just as are MMG, TG and a long list of etceteras. Most of the founders and major promoters of illegal schemes have been or are members, including the background men and women who dream them up and whose names you probably wouldntg even recognise. (Patrick Pretty has several articles on what he refers to as the Steroidal Puppeteers) It's only difference is its "warm fuzzy" style and the fact that there are a lot of naive newbies there.

If anyone thinks that they can "clean up" AdlandPro, they need to look to the owner who controls the content of the board and its membership. Many have tried and failed and for reasons that are abundantly clear. That is not the role of THIS Board. It is here to clarify what is or isnt a scam. Anyone is free to take the information here and post it (with it's source so that it can be verified) wherever they think fit.

Of course information on scams would be usefully posted (with all the relevent links to hard information) on Adland Pro and any other ponzi board . "For some reason" people who try to do so have met with no success. (in many instances even less than on TG and MMG!) so maybe they should ask themselves why? It seems to me to be irrelevant if Mrs X or Mr Y are promoting the illegal schemes. First of all you need to ascertain that the schemes are scams and then wonder why they are allowed to promote them over at AdlandPro. Today it is one person, tomorrow it will be another, but the intrinsic problem is not the name of the "scammer du jour" but the fact they are allowed to make their home there. The owner is no fool and is alleged to have made himself wealthy. He is hardly a "vcitim" so......go figure.?

Lil Ol' Radical Me
10-15-2011, 09:38 AM
p.s. it should not be forgotten that the "warm and fuzzy" side of AdlandPro has been the part that brought in traffic (including some very pleasant people) . The "nasty" scammy side of Adland Pro is the part that makes money. Clever when you think about it. Maybe MMG and TG should have a little social club or photo section to increase their traffic and bring in some gullible newbies/non internet marketers too.

path2prosperity
10-15-2011, 10:05 AM
If your concern is the promotion of EZ Wealth or any other scam on AdlandPro, the place to post the information is over there, in order to warn its own members.



You know that is impossible LORM. The thread owners simply delete anything that interferes with their plans. Plenty of scam busters have no desire to join Adlandpro to have comments deleted. Some of us who have been members (me included) are banned.

Scams posted on MMG, TG and MCFs are discussed here and so are the names of serial scammers like Russo, stosdegoz and 10bucks up. I am not going to go into Adlandpro and tell their members that people like Vonbeencom and Carl Haavaldson are scammers.

Kathleen has tried denying it without success here but Carl keeps silent. Did you know that this man made videos for manelo/strosdegoz? I have told members where to find links to prove Carl is strosgegoz' video maker here on TG, MMG and on MCFs. Suggesting that I keep that information to myself is a bit dippy, if you will excuse the expression.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
10-15-2011, 11:01 AM
You know that is impossible LORM. The thread owners simply delete anything that interferes with their plans. Plenty of scam busters have no desire to join Adlandpro to have comments deleted. Some of us who have been members (me included) are banned.

Judy that is precisely my point, and not one that needs making to many of the members of this board. The post was directed more at those people who still have a hope that AdlandPro can be "cleaned up" and turned into a happy place with no scams AND that, by some miracle THIS board will directly be the place to sort it out. All the members of this board can do is discuss the individual schemes and provide an opinion as to whether or not they are illegal or unethical, etc. and give their opinion on the overall nature of the AdlandPro board and hope that people within that community will make sure people are aware of the information.

The major difficulty so far seems to be not the fact that AdlandPro has no interest in allowing dissenting voices about the junk they promote there but that there are still people in there who believe the place is full of lovely people who mean no harm mixed up with a few bad guys. It is in fact what it's owner wants it to be. Once people understand this, then they "get it"

scratchycat
10-15-2011, 04:25 PM
I would like to thank SBM and the admin and members who have supported me in this. It is not something I would have asked to happen. I am not sure what set off alarms but they were and I was threatened in an email. Then discovered someone was trying to verify my identity.

While some of you are used to this happening, I am not. I have learned a lesson or two from this. As far as I am concerned the matter is over and done with here. At least SC is taking a little break.

Soapboxmom
10-17-2011, 08:37 AM
http://community.adlandpro.com/Images/light_gray_unlit.pngKathleen (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/5146.aspx)
http://community.adlandpro.com/UserContent/5146/5146Thumbnail.jpg (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/5146.aspx)
RE: If We SEE SOMETHING, We're Going To SAY SOMETHING




10/17/2011 12:17:30 PM




I'd like to publicly ask her right HERE to give her password from that scam site to a mutual friend of both of ours, someone we both agree that is absolutely trustworthy and nonbiased to either of us, and ask if he will go there and delete that thread. If she's not willing to give her password to a mutually nonbiased friend just so we can all find out if it IS deletable or NOT as she has said it's not...then we'll all know if she's telling the truth. If she's not willing to give her password, then that issue will speak for itself.





Kathleen, you are clearly delusional. You can edit your own posts here for up to ten minutes. Unless there is a court order or an administrator feels there is just cause for an edit or delete, it isn't going to happen. Naming a scammer who advertises him or her self publicly and commenting is appropriate and perfectly inline with the rules and purpose of this site. You, Kathleen, have chosen to make yourself public.

No one in their right mind would ever give you or one of your cronies their password. If you want to keep generating negative publicity for your scam, I will be happy to keep giving you the rope to hang yourself. :windy:


And, it is obvious to everyone else that threatening our members won't do you any good as they don't have the moderator privileges necessary to do anything. So, why do you insist on harassing someone to do something they clearly cannot do? I take it threatening people really floats your boat, huh Kathleen? That is a sure fire way to scare away the recruits. They should be very worried that you may threaten them and file frivolous lawsuits to harass them as you are clearly demonstrating that is your focus.

Soapboxmom

scratchycat
10-17-2011, 09:28 AM
However, although this thread is of great value to anyone who passes by, or follows a link to it, if your concern is the promotion of EZ Wealth or any other scam on AdlandPro, the place to post the information is over there, in order to warn its own members.
LORM, that is exactly what I did and this is what happened. Most of it I deleted because some other members wanted me to stop her trash remarks being posted. She is now banned from that forum.
Some Updated News on Known Scams | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2482970/SomeUpdatedNewsonKnownScams.aspx?flag=17itsmesgb)
I do alert members about online scam and fraud. All I can do is post the information, if they use it or not is up to them. I have noticed a recent post must have made at least one person aware as they have dropped the link from signature. There are few replies but numbers from viewing are high and that tells me someone is looking.

Now that Scratchycat has been exposed, she is taking a beating in Kathleen's Slander Forum.

This thread was about EZ Wealth and is it legit, well I believe that has been proven by members here and affirmed by the promoter herself. It should be on every Google Page by now. I will check. Your opinion is appreciated and noted.

scratchycat
10-17-2011, 09:33 AM
I'd like to publicly ask her right HERE to give her password from that scam site to a mutual friend of both of ours, someone we both agree that is absolutely trustworthy and nonbiased to either of us, and ask if he will go there and delete that thread. If she's not willing to give her password to a mutually nonbiased friend just so we can all find out if it IS deletable or NOT as she has said it's not...then we'll all know if she's telling the truth. If she's not willing to give her password, then that issue will speak for itself.



SBM, thank you. That made me laugh also. Yes, I think I will just post my username and password on Google, FB, Adland, etc.!!! She will be on the Soapbox (no pun intended) for months now and I am always a good object of attack. She is now joined by another of her "friends". They only show up when it comes to trashing little ole Scratchycat. I hope it is at least gaining RS some recognition as being one of the better scam-busting communities!!

littleroundman
10-17-2011, 10:00 AM
Straight out of Internet Fraud 101:

let's not talk about lottery clubs being illegal.

Let's not talk about the fact EZ Wealth Solutions doesn't have viable products.

Let's not talk about the IRS and not declaring income.

Let's not talk about the hundreds of scams being advertised on AdLandPro.


Noooooooooooooo,

let's talk about Scratchycat,

let's talk about how much money someone can rip o.........err........make selling nonsensical e-books and worthless "tools"

Integrity ??

Ethics ???

They're something for someone else to talk about.

Instead we'll talk about how unfair it is the nasty, bad people keep pointing out what we do is illegal and immoral

path2prosperity
10-18-2011, 07:04 AM
I have asked a member to get in touch with RS admin to reset my original password. Somebody seems to be interested in getting RS members' passwords and has not suceed. My local computer systems engineers scratched their heads when they could not find my passwords folder or get into read RealScam of PatrickPretty on two of my computers. They could read everything on their system and finding the trojan in one of mine posed no problem to them. What it did achieve was to get the best computer hardware and software enginers in SW London to bookmark RS and PatrickPretty web sites then they had a good snigger at Kathleen's expense! The winner of the war with Katleen and "scratcycat" is becoming as good as "Korky the Cat" and "Desperate Dan" in the old "Beano" and "Dandy" comics..

path2prosperity
10-18-2011, 07:31 AM
Katleen,

You said that you joined EZ around the time that RS was launched. I had been in EZscams for a lot longer than that. I joined one called EZsurfnearn or something similar in 2003-2005.

You could be a lot of use to this communiity if you change tack and help find all the dirt on two of the original EZscammers, a husband and wife team known as Jason and Stacey. When that started they set up as something else which was (I think) foundation 1, 2,3 and4.

If you would turn your hand to scam research and help trace the history of EZ, you would not be joke of the day.

I can not remember how much of my "betting money" I had put on EZ but it was enough to hurt. I have never bought a lottery ticket in my life so I can not comment on the lottery program you pedal.

Somebody called "wiseowl" AKA "Barb" from Australia used on of her puppets to get me into EZ. I have a picture of Barb on another RS thread. She is not a desirable associate.

If you used your common sense and realised that the owner of Adland is in deep --it without a paddle and swallowed a little humble pie, I would be one who would have no desire to rub your nose in mistakes of the past and I am sure that "scratcycat" would not punish another "girl" who can be very catty and a bit of a bitch at times.

scratchycat
10-18-2011, 11:18 AM
p2p, you are wasting your time even trying to get through to this person. She has gone viral and has the support of Adland Administration. I am the bad little kitty cat. This is not my first battle with these 5 people but it might be my last one in ALP. They hesitate to call me by my own name, that would be breaking the rules, so now they have an avatar and scratchycat name to use.

Just from listening to her own statements, EZ Wealth is a pryamid scheme. I remember when those things started and I thought I could make some money. HA! It takes the guts and drive, and to have no conscience when deceiving other people by telling them they will make lots of money. I was never in EZWealth Solution but I did play a lottery ticket that was free from one of the ads. So I did not lose any money on that one.

But be warned Scam-busters and crime fighters, her new info today is posted in that thread and she is going to get a law passed to take care of all of us. Who knows in today's world, she might win. I am rather tired of EZ Wealth and Lotto Magic, I believe with all the publicity the legal agencies overseeing internet crime have picked up on it.

Of course, you can be sure we will be hearing more.

path2prosperity
10-18-2011, 12:26 PM
She is going to get a law passed to take care of all of us. Who knows in today's world, she might win. I am rather tired of EZ Wealth and Lotto Magic, I believe with all the publicity the legal agencies overseeing internet crime have picked up on it. Of course, you can be sure we will be hearing more.

She is going to get a law passed. HOW IS THAT?

In UK a back bench MP can bring a private member's bill and get it through lower and upper Houses of Parliament, if nobody of any consequence opposes it. How can Kathleen get a law passed in US?

She isn't a MP. The support of Adpro admin is worth sweet "Fanny Adams" so how does she propose to get a law passed. Any interesting Adpro belches from "Our Kathleen?

scratchycat
10-18-2011, 04:28 PM
Simply because you asked this is her comment:
Many resellers of EZ Wealth Solution have had multi $1,000 days, many times within the 4 year history of the company. If it's achievable for many members to be able to accomplish this income by doing simple online tasks, then it's an achievable income.

I myself have earned large incomes from many online businesses by doing simple online tasks: posting ads and sending followup emails, basically just copying & pasting and clicking. These are skills most online users use every day.

HAS ANYONE EVER LOOKED UP WHETHER OR NOT SCAM DISCUSSION SITES ARE POTENTIALLY SCAMS WITHIN THEMSELVES?
This is currently being sent to lawmakers in all 50 states:
### Advertisers are not to be targeted individually on scam-bust genre of sites because they are not the owner of the business. A business owner is ultimately responsible for any and all advertising issues of every member of the company. If scam sites are harassing an advertiser by name with no proof of wrongdoing, the scam site owner is liable to be named in a class action suit from all advertisers of that business if it causes a potential loss of income for all advertisers of that business, if business is NOT a scam and publicly implied as a scam without proof, and if that information is read and believed by the general public. If income is determined to be achievable by many advertisers of a business by doing simple repetitive tasks, then that income is considered a valid potential earning among all advertisers. Potential income is determined by median income of all advertisers from the previous year, removing all zero dollar earners from the calculations, and averaging all earnings of all members who earned income. The lost potential income is then calculated for the amount of time that the erroneous scam post was in existence, for example, if lost income is calculated at an average of $25,000 per year from the total of earning advertisers, and divided by for example a 4 month scam post thread, all plaintiffs in the class action suit, including all zero-dollar earners compensated for potential loss of motivation, may each receive approximately $8,333 in compensation from the scam site owner, if there are 1,000 advertisers in a company at the time of the action, the total damages incurred to the owner of the scam site would be $8,333,000. These figures are an example, actual monetary awards may be higher or lower depending upon average median income per group and amount of time of scam post. ###
KEEP IN MIND: Posters at scam sites have no specialized training or education that makes them more reliable than your neighbor or grandma.
* Is there a SPECIFIC list of rules and consequences that posters need to MANDATORILY READ and CHECK A BOX TO AGREE before being allowed to start posting?

* Are those rules and consequences enforced by administration in EVERY post?

* Does the site actually allow equal viewpoints, without preconceived ideas that the business or owner is wrong from the start?

* Does administration look at every post and immediately clean up violations, or have RELIABLE no-slack assistants to do so?

* Do the posters stay on topic about the business or owner being discussed, without off-topic banter?

* Do the posters understand the compensation plan of the business well enough that they can explain it to other people from memory, without needing to read it from a site or paper?

* Have any of the posters in threads been IN the business being discussed? If none of the posters have been IN a featured business, how can they offer valid negative commentary?

* If posters are disparaging a business they ARE or WERE in, did they put in a focused promotional effort for a prolonged amount of time, at least 20 provable hours of promotional time, and can they show proof of their efforts to other people, such as hundreds of actual ads posted at ad sites or received CC copies of safemail ads sent?

* Do individual posters gather their own information or just repeat negative opinions from other posters without doing their own in-depth study?

* Do scam posters from USA understand the different aspects of non-ponzi pyramids and MLMs, and ratings and other aspects of the Better Business Bureau, and rules of the U.S. Postal Service about mailing sales materials, plus the one-call rule of individual cold-calling (one call allowed, if answer is no, then caller must never call again)?

* There are no set rules governing scam discussion sites, there are, however, rules about potential loss of income resulting from these sites, if targeted individuals can prove lost income during the time frame of the postings, the site owner is liable to be held responsible for all discussions pertaining to that individual's loss of income and expenses incurred therein, especially if there is no Mandatory Posting Agreement with which every poster needs to be in agreement prior to start of posting.




Hi Mary Evelyn,

This issue could be coming to an agreed close today. I don't know if Arthur is at that particular site, but my reseller who quit had communicated with him somewhere, but false biz information is very damaging especially when the business is good.

Hi Peter,

It's coming to a close, I may actually regain the POTW leadership, I'm considering partner(s) but that depends upon if anyone would want to publicly help run the election with their own name & photo and not behind an icon, and agree to be "of community". I'd like to run it as an electronic ballot 2-nominee election so it would be more competitive and hopefully without public statements about anyone not winning.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
10-18-2011, 04:43 PM
First of all it is heartening to know that the information on Real Scam has ruffled feathers over at warm and fuzzy Adland. EZ Wealth's promoter has answered the original question by explaining exactly why it is a pyramid scheme without a product of intrinsic value and thrown in a few threats at the same time, just to let the world know the quality of professionalism they can expect from that business as well.

SC, the first internet "attack" is always unpleasant and often hurtful. People do a lot of things from the safety of their computer screens, as well as running and promoting online frauds/scams. They always forget that the same schemes that they are promoting now will later be well known as illegal or simply unsustainable failures and that their words today are embedded in the internet forever. I love the thought of a "neutral" individual obtaining a password to delete items that they now regret writing. (This is in fact possible on the infamous AdlandPro where "truths" are frequently edited after the by the less scrupulous members, but I think it must be the exception where internet discussion forums are concerned - see the thread on TG. lol)

One thing that noone needs to be concerned about are threats to sue by scammers or facilitors of scams. They always forget the little issue of DISCOVERY which would make any legal action by them very unwise indeed - assuming they could even find a lawyer to represent them or a court to admit the case.

As far as popularity and issues of reputation are concerned, the internet is a place where everyone can be very vulnerable , because of it's anonymity. People can lie or make attacks that they would never dare to do face to face. However the plus side is that when a load of BS appears in one site, there are always others, including this one where people can come and find out some verifiable truths about the people who are trying to line their pockets at the expense of their "so called" friends.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
10-18-2011, 04:51 PM
This is currently being sent to lawmakers in all 50 states

In view of the US Government's current push against financial fraud, including those operating on the internet, and the resulting prosecutions, this might be as intelligent as Thomas Andy Bowdoin's impromptu visit to the Florida AG's office. lol



KEEP IN MIND: Posters at scam sites have no specialized training or education that makes them more reliable than your neighbor or grandma.

I am sure that the many lawyers, forensic accountants and other professionals who participate in the reputable forums which discuss financial fraud will agree with that too. lol

baylee
10-18-2011, 05:16 PM
Here are two real good links to use on these scammers if it is taking place in the US. I have used them often.

StopFraud.gov - Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force (http://www.stopfraud.gov/)

Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home (http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx)

path2prosperity
10-18-2011, 06:35 PM
[QUOTE=Lil Ol' Radical Me;11659] They always forget the little issue of DISCOVERY which would make any legal action by them very unwise indeed - assuming they could even find a lawyer to represent them or a court to admit the case.



They also forget the history of the scam. Old grannies and grumpy old men profer their advice and don't charge a fee.

Kathleen is the third EZ flag bearer I know. First was "Brenda" whose best mate was "wisowl" or "Barb" from Australia. I have put a picture of her in RS as some thought she was associated with Buster and (Quicksilver?) I have had a couple of conversations with Buster but "quicksilver" is unknown to me other than the fact that she chose the nick name for the poison mercury. "Barb" from Australia is also a poisonous variety of cyberspace residents.

2nd EZ flag bearer was "Angus" a Brit who ran a .5% a day autosurf. Angus plugged it ad nauseum on MCF then he started waving the EZ flag on Kirk The Stone's Income Portal. I have a photograph of Angus if anybody wishes to see it. Angus knew who won the 1953 or 1954 Derby and named them all. I think Neversaydie, aurial and pink horse were the first three. I made a lot of pocket money on that bet! Angus has a huge cigar in his "cake hole" and dressed in good Scottish tweeds. He may have been a somebody in his time.

Next comes Kathleen a silly little girl who could admit she made a big mistake at this juncture. If she wants to be "proverbially raped by her Adpro bosses, she will loose her assets. Poor kid. I actually feel sorry for her.

path2prosperity
10-18-2011, 06:50 PM
Apologies to RS admin. I got a trojan in one of my computers and that one is still in the shop. They asked if I had anything I wanted to save on this one and I said only if you can find it in a folder which I named "Complete Crap." It amazed me to unearth what my brother used to term "The Crypt of Crap." His story started with the cat that crept in xxxxxxed and crept out. Will ask "oldcoot" to tell us the rest.

Will get shop to wipe this hard disk when they have abstracted all the interesting EZCrap and got it on their network.

littleroundman
10-18-2011, 07:26 PM
There's an old saying in legal circles: "A man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client"

The same can obviously be said for silly little female posters on known HYIP ponzi promoting forums.

If foolishness were not involved, why on earth would someone come out with this little gem:


There are no set rules governing scam discussion sites, there are, however, rules about potential loss of income resulting from these sites, if targeted individuals can prove lost income during the time frame of the postings, the site owner is liable to be held responsible for all discussions pertaining to that individual's loss of income and expenses incurred therein, especially if there is no Mandatory Posting Agreement with which every poster needs to be in agreement prior to start of posting.

"potential loss of income" when it's an illegal lottery club and an internet based money game being discussed ??

Oh, P-U-H-L-E-A-S-E

This just gets more and more ridiculous.

Geez,

people have got to start using real lawyers and real courts, not basing their legal knowledge on last weeks' episode of Judge Judy or Law and Order.

What a nonsense.

wserra
10-18-2011, 07:33 PM
Simply because you asked this is her comment:

A comment which, at least for those of us in the U.S., is pretty funny.


This is currently being sent to lawmakers in all 50 states:
...
If scam sites are harassing an advertiser by name with no proof of wrongdoing, the scam site owner is liable to be named in a class action suit

Bzzt! False. The writer probably ought to take a look at 47 USC 230 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000230----000-.html). In relevant part, it reads: "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." In other words, the "scam site owner" is not liable for what others post. Moreover, since this is a federal statute, it preempts any state law to the contrary.

So send away. Winter's coming. I'm sure those state lawmakers could use more firestarter.


all plaintiffs in the class action suit, including all zero-dollar earners compensated for potential loss of motivation, may each receive approximately $8,333 in compensation from the scam site owner

Actually, they may each be liable to that "scam site owner" as a result of a SLAPP countersuit.


KEEP IN MIND: Posters at scam sites have no specialized training or education that makes them more reliable than your neighbor or grandma.

Wanna bet?


* Is there a SPECIFIC list of rules and consequences that posters need to MANDATORILY READ and CHECK A BOX TO AGREE before being allowed to start posting?

* Are those rules and consequences enforced by administration in EVERY post?

* Does the site actually allow equal viewpoints, without preconceived ideas that the business or owner is wrong from the start?

Blah, blah, blah.

Who cares? Not the law.


if targeted individuals can prove lost income during the time frame of the postings, the site owner is liable to be held responsible for all discussions pertaining to that individual's loss of income and expenses incurred therein

Do you believe that repeating nonsense makes it more true?

Additionally, as LORM writes, bluster notwithstanding most scammers would pull their own heads off before actually suing anyone. Not only would they have to answer questions about the scams they run, they'd have to prove damages. This means giving defendants authorizations to obtain tax returns to verify lost income. Blather aside, that $18.75 per month doesn't add up to very much.

SBM had the bad luck to run into particularly stupid scammers.

okosh
10-18-2011, 08:23 PM
Apologies to RS admin. I got a trojan in one of my computers and that one is still in the shop. They asked if I had anything I wanted to save on this one and I said only if you can find it in a folder which I named "Complete Crap." It amazed me to unearth what my brother used to term "The Crypt of Crap." His story started with the cat that crept in xxxxxxed and crept out. Will ask "oldcoot" to tell us the rest.

Will get shop to wipe this hard disk when they have abstracted all the interesting EZCrap and got it on their network.

It's a badge of honor....most likely given to you by one of the scammers you've helped expose here on RS....

Keep up the great work :RpS_wink:

path2prosperity
10-19-2011, 09:02 AM
It's a badge of honor....most likely given to you by one of the scammers you've helped expose here on RS....

Keep up the great work :RpS_wink:

Yes it is called "Account Suspended" okosh. I have paid the hosting fee and the name hosting. I have no criminal record or record of unpaid civil debt, so the matter should be resolved fairly soon.

I have had a very good innings with All4hosting my.com web host. If Peter has decided to believe what he has heard about any nefarious online activities of mine, I would be sad but I have a .co.uk domain and a host who is also a good friend.

Peter Kelley from All4Hosting who hosts path2prosperity.com, was also Nick Smirnow's Pathway2prosperity first web host, so he has probably had a bellyful of similar souning domains and has probably not checked to see if the evidence against me is circumstantial or not. I will not forget Peter. He is a first class service provider.

scratchycat
10-19-2011, 12:15 PM
Computer hacking is a criminal offense isn't it?
hacking law 1



1. having knowingly accessed a computer without authorization or exceeding authorized access, and by means of such conduct having obtained information that has been determined by the United States Government pursuant to an Executive order or statute to require protection against unauthorized disclosure for reasons of national defense or foreign relations, or any restricted data, as defined in paragraph y of section 11 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, with reason to believe that such information so obtained could be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits, or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;


Hacking laws according to the US government (http://www.protectivehacks.com/hackinglaws.html)

While my pc was on standby yesterday and not connected to network, someone tried to use my IP address to gain access to it.
I received a Trojan virus on my external HD last week. Today my email contained a virus which was eliminated by security. Most definitely P2P they are after us. Crooks who know criminals will do anything to get back at someone who is trying to expose them.

scratchycat
10-19-2011, 12:20 PM
Apologies to RS admin. I got a trojan in one of my computers and that one is still in the shop. They asked if I had anything I wanted to save on this one and I said only if you can find it in a folder which I named "Complete Crap." It amazed me to unearth what my brother used to term "The Crypt of Crap." His story started with the cat that crept in xxxxxxed and crept out. Will ask "oldcoot" to tell us the rest.

Will get shop to wipe this hard disk when they have abstracted all the interesting EZCrap and got it on their network.

It is good you have someone who can do this for you. Could they trace where the virus came from? My security program could not find the source. Not sure what to do about them having my IP address and trying to hack my pc.

path2prosperity
10-19-2011, 08:19 PM
It is good you have someone who can do this for you. Could they trace where the virus came from? My security program could not find the source. Not sure what to do about them having my IP address and trying to hack my pc.

Fortunately the matter of the hosting is being resolved and there has been no lasting damage to my system or peace of mind. The trojan was a flea bite that was easily removed by my excellent support team. I will not go off topic and discuss the advantages/disadvantages of high levels of neuroticism in the work place but I will be doing articles about it on my own blog in the not so distant future.

scratchycat
10-20-2011, 09:58 AM
Quick update! Focus has been shifted to personal attack against Scratchycat and trying to play down the EZ Wealth Pyramid Scheme and illegal Lotto Magic. :whip_the_worker: You are losing MONEY you steal from the little guys Miz kcvan.

Yep, under attack by computer hackers, viruses sent from unknown sources, and continued defamation of character!! Not as tough skinned as some of you folks but us kitties have our ways. Rats are so fun to play with but even better when you bite their heads off. Ask any cat!

scratchycat
10-20-2011, 08:07 PM
Breaking news!!
Tried to login to Adland, here is what I got!!
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Am I surprised, NO!!!!!

Actually I am very happy about it. No more Adland, no more getting hurt by spiteful and hateful people. Adland allows these people to slander others and the administration blames anyone except them. Five evil people rule and the beauty drains from Adland.

littleroundman
10-20-2011, 09:59 PM
Here's the thing:

It's a fact of nature that if you spend enough time in a pig pen, it doesn't matter how nice the pigs are, or how pure of heart you may be, eventually, you'll end up smelling just like a pig.

What's even worse, sooner or later, those outside the pig pen won't be able to tell the difference, so, they'll play it safe and treat the pens' residents and visitors alike by keeping their distance.

laidback
10-20-2011, 10:39 PM
Here's the thing:

It's a fact of nature that if you spend enough time in a pig pen, it doesn't matter how nice the pigs are, or how pure of heart you may be, eventually, you'll end up smelling just like a pig.

What's even worse, sooner or later, those outside the pig pen won't be able to tell the difference, so, they'll play it safe and treat the pens' residents and visitors alike by keeping their distance. Hold the phone there...! Pigs are extremely intelligent and comparing them to Adland occupants is just unfair... to the pigs...!

littleroundman
10-20-2011, 11:40 PM
Hold the phone there...! Pigs are extremely intelligent

Very true,

but, as smart as they are, they haven't yet worked out how to remove the smell which comes with continually rolling in their own excrement mixed with mud.

THAT'S the comparison I was making.

Nothing to do with intelligence.

Doesn't matter how nice and/or intelligent they are.

Mud and excrement are non discriminatory, they just stick where they can and are hard to remove, once applied.

okosh
10-21-2011, 02:37 AM
Breaking news!!
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Am I surprised, NO!!!!!

Actually I am very happy about it. No more Adland, no more getting hurt by spiteful and hateful people. Adland allows these people to slander others and the administration blames anyone except them. Five evil people rule and the beauty drains from Adland.

As you'd expect from a scam forum like Adland or TG....If you can't beat them with lies...Ban them....
Oh so predictable....

path2prosperity
10-21-2011, 02:38 AM
Five evil people rule and the beauty drains from Adland.[/COLOR]

I would put it a different way. I would say that five people are on the shortlist to be appointed as "The Mutt of Adland." I have been predicting the inevitable end of Adland on several forums for over a year. When these criminal boards go down, the owner always "sells" and remains in the backseat.


PRECEDENTS. 1) Jake The Snake sells to "wanrou." 2) Terry The Banker sells to "Mutt."

SPECULATION. Who will be The Mutt of Adland?

Fiedur may have a different Mutt of Adland and the five you mention may go to the slaughterhouse earlier than they anticipated.

okosh
10-21-2011, 03:02 AM
Yo Scratchy....

Just to let you know that the thread has now been deleted....I went to post there but it is gone....
Yes folks...The real 'okosh'(me) has been a member of adland for over 5 years :RpS_wink:

path2prosperity
10-21-2011, 03:33 AM
I took a very quick look to see what had been deleted from Adland.

Vonbeenkom and her EZWealth crap may still be up but my first impression was that Fiedur's deletion squad have been at work even at an even faster rate than "Sydney" whom I named as "Director of Deletions" for Kent Black.

What has happened to the Polish site and “Fiedur's Photograpic Gems” with Polish pictures? Finding Polish to English translators and vica versa is relatively easy. Finding one who has sufficient security clearance to work on military installations in UK is not so easy. I passed on the name of one who was cleared to do this to Lynne Edgington in the spring of 2011.

path2prosperity
10-21-2011, 03:43 AM
Yo Scratchy....The real 'okosh'(me) has been a member of adland for over 5 years :RpS_wink:

Will wait for news. The new "Mutt of Adland" is probably nosing around this forum (http://www.dreamteammoney.com/index.php?act=Reg&mailsignup=0&coppa_pass=0&termsread=0&agree_to_terms=0&referal=33459) to see if Buster and cronies have any Okosh free shelter in their sewers.

path2prosperity
10-21-2011, 05:41 AM
Yo Scratchy....

Just to let you know that the thread has now been deleted....I went to post there but it is gone....
Yes folks...The real 'okosh'(me) has been a member of adland for over 5 years :RpS_wink:

I don't know which thread you found was missing but if it was the one where they were basting scratcycat alive, I have most of it. This extract from that thread should give RS members a clue as to what the Deletions Director wants removed from Adland.

QUOTE FROM MISSING ADLAND THREAD.

You know I find the following extremely interesting.

I'm sure you remember Judy Horton (aka path2prosperity over at realscams.com) who was going around Adland bashing everybody for scams including Roger McDivitt who was her last target before Admin decided to banish her from the community. Well now it seems that she and scratchycat are working in concert in the realscams forum. It seems as if they found each other or possibly planned it together. Sorta makes you think doesn't it?

I wonder what it'll take for Admin to take appropriate action against this screeching scratchtcat?

Shalom,

Peter

Even funnier in that thread is Bernier's boast that he was the one responsible for drawing Fiedur's attention to my web page about Adlandpro. Fiedur has known about that page on my .com web site for a long time and tried to get rid of it in his own inimitable way. My path2prosperity domain will be back online very soon and you can all see what pissed off the Adland pawns like Bernier, Keilec and Oakley. F5Mmillionaires club (sinking ship) and all that sail with her will soon be nothing but sewer sludge.

scratchycat
10-21-2011, 08:42 AM
It is early in the game LRM but so far this little kitty is doing okay. I think the roasting might have taken away some of the smell.

scratchycat
10-21-2011, 08:45 AM
Yo Scratchy....

Just to let you know that the thread has now been deleted....I went to post there but it is gone....
Yes folks...The real 'okosh'(me) has been a member of adland for over 5 years :RpS_wink:
Yes, and thank you! I received a call last evening as I was cooking our meal to let me know it was gone. I think they stepped on at least one toe too many!

She has not given up though, so you can post in this one:

Did you know...??? | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2485151/Didyouknow.aspx?flag=1)

scratchycat
10-21-2011, 08:47 AM
Another interesting thing, two new threads have been started, people are viewing, no comments.

littleroundman
10-21-2011, 09:41 AM
Poor, poor Kathleen,

all this talk of legislators and laws and class actions.

Doesn't the poor thing realize that's what anti scam sites actually want ???

Once, just once, I'd just love one of these Philadelphia lawyers to follow through with their threats.

Not with a threatening letter from a lawyer, mind you.

Anyone can pluck a name out of the phone book and organize a threatening letter.

Naaaaaaah,

a full on court appearance should do the trick.

You know, one of those cases where we can have the IRS and the media and any law enforcement agency with more than a 2 letter acronym for a name, forewarned; that sort of court.

Mind you, having the notice/s delivered might be a slight problem.

For that matter, finding somewhere without anti SLAPP legislation might be a problem as well.

Now, what was that word ?? It's right on the tip of my tongue.

Umm,

let's ask Wikipedia, it might know:

Ahh, yes:


In U.S.law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law), discovery is the pre-trial phase in a lawsuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawsuit) in which each party, through the law of civil procedure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_procedure), can obtain evidence from the opposing party by means of discovery devices including requests for answers to interrogatories, requests for production of documents, requests for admissions and depositions. Discovery can be obtained from non-parties using subpoenas. When discovery requests are objected to, the requesting party may seek the assistance of the court by filing a motion to compel discovery. Discovery (law) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(law))
What's that phrase I keep hearing on those US television shows which flood our screens nightly which seems appropriate

That's right: "Bring it"

scratchycat
10-21-2011, 08:51 PM
I am so relieved to be free of Adland. I tried so hard to bring some light and beauty to a place where darkness rules. Yes, I was really stupid to think I could do that. I will go forward to be in a place where the beauty is appreciated and there will be no evil persons allowed.

path2prosperity
10-22-2011, 02:49 AM
I am so relieved to be free of Adland. I tried so hard to bring some light and beauty to a place where darkness rules. Yes, I was really stupid to think I could do that. I will go forward to be in a place where the beauty is appreciated and there will be no evil persons allowed.

Crime is the largest growth industry on planet and crime is the second largest. That has been the case for millennia. The only change in this day and age is that the gap is closing faster than ever before. There will always be times when we feel in the words of “West Side Story”---“Stop the World, I Want To Get Off.”

Just remember your elementary physics lessons at school. “For every force, there is an opposing force.” You will not get away from the dark side of life but you will be better equipped to defend yourself against it.

You could try repeating the mantra which I have been sending you ever since I returned to Adland last year and tried and set up a scam breaking forum there!

scratchycat
10-22-2011, 07:51 AM
You are quite correct in that p2p, so I want to clarify my statement a little better. I am working on a website to feature the arts and it will be monitored, there will be no bashing allowed, hopefully just beauty.

This world is full of evil folks, so it sounded like I was going to Heaven if I were to get away from it!!:RpS_smile: Sure look forward to that one but while here, have to keep on trying.

In keeping with our subject here, I did some research on SoKule which is one of the promotion programs used by this person. Here is some of what I dug up.


Registrant:
Sokule Inc

736 Broadway
4th Fl
New York, New York 10003
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (Domain Names, Web Hosting and SSL Certificates - Go Daddy)
Domain Name: SOKULE.COM
Created on: 20-May-09
Expires on: 20-May-12
Last Updated on: 12-Oct-10

Administrative Contact:
Basten, Phil jpeorders@gmail.com
Sokule Inc
736 Broadway
4th Fl
New York, New York 10003
United States
+1.2124756001 Fax -- +1.2122283819

Technical Contact:
Basten, Phil jpeorders@gmail.com
Sokule Inc
736 Broadway
4th Fl
New York, New York 10003
United States
+1.2124756001 Fax -- +1.2122283819


Who are Jane Mark and Phil Basten? (http://webprotimes.com/about.html)
It appears they are the owners of JPE Advertising (http://whois.pho.to/jpe_advertising_9_holdfast_promenade/)

scratchycat
10-22-2011, 07:53 AM
Futher on registrants for JPE:


Registrant:
JPE Advertising
9 Holdfast Promenade
Apt 8
Glenelg, South Australia 5045
Australia
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (Domain Names, Web Hosting and SSL Certificates - Go Daddy)
Domain Name: DAMNSMARTADS.COM
Created on: 24-Jun-02
Expires on: 24-Jun-12
Last Updated on: 12-Oct-10
Administrative Contact:
Basten, Phil jpeorders@gmail.com
JPE Advertising
9 Holdfast Promenade
Apt 8
Glenelg, South Australia 5045
Australia
61883766086 Fax -- 61883766168
Technical Contact:
Basten, Phil jpeorders@gmail.com
JPE Advertising
9 Holdfast Promenade
Apt 8
Glenelg, South Australia 5045
Australia
61883766086 Fax -- 61883766168


Lots of people promoting from downunder it seems.

scratchycat
10-22-2011, 07:57 AM
Damn Smart Ads - Ads That Think! (http://damnsmartads.com/)
Here is some of the hype:
Affiliate Program


Shortly we will be launching our new affiliate program and you will be able to earn some great commission checks just by promoting your WebPro Times affiliate link.

This affiliate program is unique...

Take a look at our recommended resource pages. These are some of the best, and fastest selling programs on the internet.

When the new affiliate scripts are ready these affiliate links will carry your affiliate ID in them and you will be able to earn commissions from these services and products.

All you have to do is promote one URL.

Your WebPro Times affiliate URL.

Promoting something FREE is the easiest way to get people to take a look at a site. Commissions at the participating resource sites are great and range from 35-50%, some with residual commissions every month.

You will receive the entire commissions due to you from everyone who purchases a product or service from your WebPro Times affiliate site. This is a chance for you to make some real money for a change. Don't miss out.

Add your name and email to our affiliate notification and advanced training list, so we can let you know the instant the affiliate program is active. We will also provide tools and tips to help you maximize your income and cashflow.

resource link: WebPro Times - Affiliate Program (http://webprotimes.com/affiliates.html)
Please be aware I am not supporting these programs. These are the tools used by some of the EZ Wealth promoters.

scratchycat
10-22-2011, 08:02 AM
Did you know...??? | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2485151/Didyouknow/1.aspx)
Thanks Okosh for the entertainment!

Seems like that keyboard is getting a workout, she will probably have to replace it soon. Can things get twisted or not??

scratchycat
10-22-2011, 10:25 AM
16-If We SEE SOMETHING, We're Going To SAY SOMETHING | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2483300/IfWeSEESOMETHINGWereGoingToSAYSOMETHING/16.aspx)Was just notified the BASH SCRATCHYCAT forum is back!! I think I am missed so much they had to bring me back. Otherwise, who else are they going to pick on!!!!!!!!!!!! :loser: and make that plural!!

littleroundman
10-22-2011, 10:36 AM
'round and 'round the mulberry bush we go.

Yet, not a word about the illegality and immorality involved in running fraudulent money games.

Not a whisper about how lottery clubs are illegal in the USA.

As long as they can say "I got paid" who cares about honesty, integrity and your fellow man ??

Straight out of the "Be Your Own 'net fraudster" handbook.

Still no sign of a court issued order at my end yet.

Soapboxmom
10-22-2011, 06:03 PM
Online Harassment: New Texas Internet Law Goes Into Effect
(http://mikeyounglaw.com/internet-lawyer/online-harassment-texas-internet-law/)

“How to Protect Your Privacy and Personal Safety When You Own a Website…”

http://mikeyounglaw.com/internet-lawyer/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/texas.jpgDon’t mess with anyone in Texas online. Effective September 1, 2009, a new Texas law makes it a crime to engage in various activities on commercial social networking sites or by e-mail, instant messaging etc. You can read the actual text of the bill below. Although self-explanatory (to lawyers at least), it seems pretty clear that Texas lawmakers don’t want people impersonating others on the Internet in order to harm, threaten, intimidate, or defraud anyone. The law also covers text messaging. Note that depending on the activities involved, the crime can be either a Class A Misdemeanor or a 3rd degree felony.


(http://mikeyounglaw.com/internet-lawyer/online-harassment-texas-internet-law/)H.B. No. 2003
AN ACT
relating to the creation of the offense of online harassment.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Chapter 33, Penal Code, is amended by adding
Section 33.07 to read as follows:
Sec. 33.07. ONLINE HARASSMENT. (a) A person commits an
offense if the person uses the name or persona of another person to
create a web page on or to post one or more messages on a commercial
social networking site:
(1) without obtaining the other person’s consent; and
(2) with the intent to harm, defraud, intimidate, or
threaten any person.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person sends an
electronic mail, instant message, text message, or similar
communication that references a name, domain address, phone number,
or other item of identifying information belonging to any person:
(1) without obtaining the other person’s consent;
(2) with the intent to cause a recipient of the
communication to reasonably believe that the other person
authorized or transmitted the communication; and
(3) with the intent to harm or defraud any person.
(c) An offense under Subsection (a) is a felony of the third
degree. An offense under Subsection (b) is a Class A misdemeanor,
except that the offense is a felony of the third degree if the actor
commits the offense with the intent to solicit a response by
emergency personnel.
(d) If conduct that constitutes an offense under this
section also constitutes an offense under any other law, the actor
may be prosecuted under this section, the other law, or both.the following entities:
(1) a commercial social networking site ;
(2) an Internet service provider;
(3) an interactive computer service, as defined by 47
U.S.C. Section 230;
(4) a telecommunications provider, as defined by
Section 51.002, Utilities Code; or
(5) a video service provider or cable service
provider, as defined by Section 66.002, Utilities Code.
(f) In this section:
(1) ” Commercial social networking site ” means any
business, organization, or other similar entity operating a website
that permits persons to become registered users for the purpose of
establishing personal relationships with other users through
direct or real-time communication with other users or the creation
of web pages or profiles available to the public or to other users.
The term does not include an electronic mail program or a message
board program.
(2) “Identifying information” has the meaning
assigned by Section 32.51.
SECTION 2. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.



(http://mikeyounglaw.com/internet-lawyer/online-harassment-texas-internet-law/)
http://community.adlandpro.com/Images/light_gray_unlit.pngKathleen (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/5146.aspx)

http://community.adlandpro.com/UserContent/5146/5146Thumbnail.jpg (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/5146.aspx)

(http://mikeyounglaw.com/internet-lawyer/online-harassment-texas-internet-law/)
RE: Did you know...???


10/22/2011 3:07:13 PM

Texas Laws on Cyber Bullying and Cyber Harrasment...
the scam site where my name was posted is owned by a resident of Texas, who in her "rules" states it's okay to put peoples full names...


Scroll down to Harming Others: Cyber-Bullying Laws in Texas | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/info_8328386_cyberbullying-laws-texas.html)


Sounds like someone broke the law in the Lonestar State against LOTS of people who's names were posted on that site.
The people who's names are posted don't need to live in Texas, and the posters don't need to live in Texas...the site OWNER said it's OKAY to put peoples names, right in her rules. Hey, guess what? It's against the law. It's been broken numerous times on that site, with full encouragement by the owner, a resident of Texas.


(http://mikeyounglaw.com/internet-lawyer/online-harassment-texas-internet-law/)
Kathleen is a complete moron. No one is impersonating her. Maybe we can all chip in for the brain transplant!

Soapboxmom

scratchycat
10-22-2011, 06:38 PM
Kathleen is a complete moron. No one is impersonating her. Maybe we can all chip in for the brain transplant!



Good idea!! Thanks maybe it will work. She is now taking over the place called Adlandpro. Oh wow!!

Soapboxmom
10-22-2011, 06:43 PM
http://community.adlandpro.com/Images/light_gray_unlit.pngKathleen (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/5146.aspx)

http://community.adlandpro.com/UserContent/5146/5146Thumbnail.jpg (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/5146.aspx)


Okosh,

In USA...YES site owners ARE responsible for everything that goes on with their sites and CAN BE SUED if anyone posting on their sites causes damage, even emotional damage to another internet user.

Adlandpro is a Canadian site, and the owner here actually DOES terminate peoples accounts or tells them to delete harassment posts, which is a lot more than the American owner of realscam does.
If you don't know American laws about internet usage or site-ownership, then YOU'RE the one who needs to find out all that.





Bzzt! False. The writer probably ought to take a look at 47 USC 230 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000230----000-.html). In relevant part, it reads: "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." In other words, the "scam site owner" is not liable for what others post. Moreover, since this is a federal statute, it preempts any state law to the contrary.


Barrett v. Rosenthal | Citizen Media Law Project (http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/barrett-v-rosenthal#description)


The district court granted the motion, finding that Rosenthal's statements concerned an issue of public interest within the scope of the anti-SLAPP statute, and that all but one of the alleged defamatory statements were non-actionable statements of opinion. .......

California Supreme Court followed Zeran v. Amercia Online, 129 F.3d 327 (4th Cir. 1997) (http://www.citmedialaw.org/zeran-v-america-online), which also refused to draw a distinction between a "distributor" and a "publisher' for purposes of CDA 230. Both cases are widely regarded as important decisions standing for the proposition that, in the words of Eric Goldman (http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/11/barrett_v_rosen_1.htm), "no one is liable for other people's content online -- period
Opinions are not actionable.

Zeran v. America Online | Citizen Media Law Project (http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/zeran-v-america-online)


The Court of Appeals based its ruling on Section 230(c)(1) of the Communications Decency Act, which states: "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."
The website owner and administrators are not responsible for the content posted by others.

Kathleen, being the brainiac you obviously are, you would have to take on every poster individually with which you think you have an issue. Since opinions are not actionable and you would likely have to sue each defendant where they reside (jurisdiction, brainiac) you should be in for some fun, assuming you are still interested in pursuing this after the much needed brain transplant is completed.

Nothing more charming than a scammer drawing tons of attention to themselves and the crap they are peddling! At least is is somewhat amusing to watch you cook up this utter nonsense!

Soapboxmom

scratchycat
10-22-2011, 07:09 PM
Oh, he hates red!!

Hello Kathleen,

I'm glad to see that this thread is back up if for no other reason then the sake of posterity. It is a shame that Admin saw fit to delete the posts in which it was discovered that an Adland member impersonated Admin and misused back office privileges by deleting parts of posts with a message from admin (in red) and deleting entire posts as well. This shows to what lows these people will stoop.

In regard to Texas law I don't think they'll take any steps against the owner of realscam.com even if charges are pressed against him/her. These people enjoy talking to each other and RS is a haven for the scratchycats of the world to spread their venom and backstabbing revenge tactics.

Since scratchycat is no longer an adland member (she's still one of the admin of AIF - how ironic is that?) I think this will be my last post here even though she's scratchycat screeching away on realscam.com. In the end they'll discover who she is too even though there might be quite a few like her there in addition to a mad and bitter English woman.

Shalom,

Peter



Oh, he just hates the color red!! I see that the administration did not post the part where they told them it was well advised that they stop the thread.


I don't know whether to congratulate you on your second round as the POTW leader or not and I'm not sure the one on one polls is the way to go. I've watched the slow demise of the POTW for quite a while now and it saddens me but doesn't surprise me. On a personal level and as a friend I'd rethink whether taking this on again at this time is the wise thing to do. In the end it's your decision and you know as I do how time consuming a task this can be even if the participation level is as low as it's been lately.

Shalom,

Peter
This has been deleted in AIF!!
Please discontinue using it. Adland Administration.
Your comments are directed at a person who is no longer participating in this community.
It would be wise to end this thread.
Admin

Now who would post as admin if they were not authorized by the administration as a Moderator with all privileges??
Another note, the comment about some legitimate companies was removed. They actually have PRODUCTS to sell!!

scratchycat
10-22-2011, 07:16 PM
Crime is the largest growth industry on planet and crime is the second largest. That has been the case for millennia. The only change in this day and age is that the gap is closing faster than ever before. There will always be times when we feel in the words of “West Side Story”---“Stop the World, I Want To Get Off.”


Hello!!! P2P, I forgot to say how glad I am you are still with us. I would say it is a different arena we are faced with these days and that is internet crime. Hard to find those crooks sometimes but they shout loud enough to call attention to themselves!! lol

Soapboxmom
10-22-2011, 09:42 PM
http://community.adlandpro.com/Images/light_gray_unlit.pngWallace (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/gummibear.aspx)
http://community.adlandpro.com/Images/Users/MaleThumbnail.png (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/gummibear.aspx)







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RE: Did you know...???




10/23/2011 1:07:06 AM




Kathleen, I applaud your decision to show a spotlight on ignorance. With all due respect, you should perhaps reread TX HB2003 and 47USC 230 and assure yourself that you are interpreting them correctly. Have a nice day.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siYImhAKZEo
Kathleen, Odie is "less articulate than baked lasagna" and he is light years ahead of you! You have definitely put the spotlight on ignorance. :duh:

Soapboxmom

laidback
10-22-2011, 10:04 PM
Kathleen is a complete moron. No one is impersonating her. Maybe we can all chip in for the brain transplant!
Should be a really simple operation, just insert a new brain into the empty space between the ears...!

littleroundman
10-22-2011, 10:20 PM
Nothing more charming than a scammer drawing tons of attention to themselves and the crap they are peddling! At least is is somewhat amusing to watch you cook up this utter nonsense!Soapboxmom

What would be even sillier would be drawing attention to themselves and then having to explain to a court that EZWealth Creations IS legal, Lotto Magic is NOT illegal and any/all income is not taxable.

It's all too easy to get caught up in all the rhetoric and forget what prompted the discussion in the first place.

Courts are not interested in all the diversionary tactics used by fraudsters to draw attention away from what they're doing, OR the supposed motives behind the exposure of their fraud.

Try going into any court on the planet and proclaiming you're not guilty because your accusers motives are not sufficiently pure or that the whole thing is the result of someone being banned from a forum.

laidback
10-22-2011, 10:57 PM
What would be even sillier would be drawing attention to themselves and then having to explain to a court that EZWealth Creations IS legal, Lotto Magic is NOT illegal and any/all income is not taxable.

It's all too easy to get caught up in all the rhetoric and forget what prompted the discussion in the first place.

Courts are not interested in all the diversionary tactics used by fraudsters to draw attention away from what they're doing, OR the supposed motives behind the exposure of their fraud.

Try going into any court on the planet and proclaiming you're not guilty because your accusers motives are not sufficiently pure or that the whole thing is the result of someone being banned from a forum.
LOL, ya think a judge would accept the, "it's just a game" or, "I told 'em not to risk more than they can afford to lose" gambits...? Or the "well Social Security is a Ponzi" defence?

okosh
10-23-2011, 12:54 AM
Did you know...??? | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2485151/Didyouknow/1.aspx)
Thanks Okosh for the entertainment!

Seems like that keyboard is getting a workout, she will probably have to replace it soon. Can things get twisted or not??

Did you notice how she handled my more then reasonable and polite posts???....
She insulted me...Abused me....Accused me of harassing her....And a couple of her mates came in to also abuse me....

This is what happens when a person has no answers....They think that the best form of defence is attack...

littleroundman
10-23-2011, 01:01 AM
It seems the longer people spend on the usual suspect forums and the longer they "get away with it" the more they start to believe in their own B/S.

It's one of the main reasons cults/MLMs/forums intentionally foster a "them against us" mentality, encourage their followers to not listen to negativity and "outsiders" and intentionally try and keep their victims isolated from reality and opposite views.

scratchycat
10-23-2011, 09:12 AM
Did you notice how she handled my more then reasonable and polite posts???....
She insulted me...Abused me....Accused me of harassing her....And a couple of her mates came in to also abuse me....

This is what happens when a person has no answers....They think that the best form of defence is attack...

I have been there, done that, a number of times in the past. I have a collection of the "Hate Blow" attacks. Did they scare you off!!?? lol :scared_1:

littleroundman
10-23-2011, 09:53 AM
Nothing more charming than a scammer drawing tons of attention to themselves and the crap they are peddling! At least is is somewhat amusing to watch you cook up this utter nonsense!

What will turn out even worse for young Kathleen is if she does eventually allow herself to be goaded into doing something, she's going to put herself in a place she really, really doesn't want to be.

By making public the fact she's accepted money for "referring" and/or "recommending" people join the illegal programs she's promoting, Kathleen has defined herself as a broker and moved herself into a completely new category of crime.


BROKERS BEWARE! There is absolutely no way for a broker in the United States to lawfully present to an investor a high yield investment program as described above.
This applies to private placements as well as the many unintended public offerings; i.e. the broker breaches the law by unknowingly violating the prohibitions against public offerings without complying with the Federal and/or state securities statutes. And it is vital for brokers to understand that if they do anything (called an Covert act) with regard to passing on to other brokers or investors representations (written or oral) of (a) no risk deals, (b) implied but untrue ownership of MTNs, or (c) earning extraordinary profits as described above, they become a co-conspirator and are criminally liable for felony prosecution (including money laundering).

So, if you are a broker in this business with products as described above, you are involved in a criminal enterprise.

Unlawful Agreements. It is also important to note that because the agreements to provide HYIPs are to provide an unlawful (non-existent) product, the contracts are illegal and unenforceable, including the agreements for compensation to the brokers.
So the broker cannot even sue for the commissions that he didn't earn on the non-existent investment.

This is not a smart business in which to engage, civilly or criminally.

Some Advice For Brokers. I am often struck by the sad situation where naive brokers without any criminal intent whatsoever find themselves suddenly in very serious legal trouble believing in their innocence, because they followed all the precautions they learned from other brokers.

So here is some additional advice. Other than to stay away from the HYIP business, there are two good pieces of advice to consider.

First, do not keep any copies of instruments anywhere within your apparent control (including your computer), because if you possess a fraudulent document this may be (a) itself a crime and (b) very condemning evidence against you for other related crimes.

Second, if you are approached by law enforcement regarding your activities, do not try and explain your way out of the problem. You can't do it!

It is impossible. Say nothing! They do not care to hear about your innocence. They are only there to make a case against you.

Whatever you say, will be taken adversely to your interests no matter how innocent you think you may be. That is their job. Tell them you will speak to them only after you have consulted a lawyer; this is your Constitutional right, use it!

scratchycat
10-23-2011, 04:36 PM
Okosh,

In USA...YES site owners ARE responsible for everything that goes on with their sites and CAN BE SUED if anyone posting on their sites causes damage, even emotional damage to another internet user.

Adlandpro is a Canadian site, and the owner here actually DOES terminate peoples accounts or tells them to delete harassment posts, which is a lot more than the American owner of realscam does.
If you don't know American laws about internet usage or site-ownership, then YOU'RE the one who needs to find out all that.



Guess I just missed this one in all the numerous outpouring from that pc. If ever a statement was more UNTRUE that is one!!:shocked: As many times that I and some of my friends have suffered at the abusive behavior from the 5 riders??!!!! There is one person that is allowed to call everyone and anyone names, harass them and has no respect for anyone on this planet. The arrogant person gets away with everything but murder! Don't even question it. I have copies on file and in safe places outside my own computer, to save the trouble of trying to hack it again. The person making this statement has attacked me numerous times and got away with it!

There must many members or ex-members who could testify to the abuse they have received in the past. Two people have tried to take over Adland and had it for a couple of years and almost destroyed the entire social community. What does it take for an owner to realize who his true enemies are??? Those same people caused you much trouble when you were running the POTW and you know who you are.

Living in Canada does not always protect a person according to internet law. Also noted, Kansas law has been looked into. That is so funny! What would they get me on drawing legal SS??

What is that thread you continue to post in except downright harassment, personal defamation of character, false claims, abuse and lies about a person named in your thread. Since it was resurrected where Sara/Scratcycat posted, everyone knows who you are talking about. So try to scare me, complaints have already been filed against that forum and if the owner continues to support you and leave it there, he will also be liable.

scratchycat
10-23-2011, 04:38 PM
What will turn out even worse for young Kathleen is if she does eventually allow herself to be goaded into doing something, she's going to put herself in a place she really, really doesn't want to be.

By making public the fact she's accepted money for "referring" and/or "recommending" people join the illegal programs she's promoting, Kathleen has defined herself as a broker and moved herself into a completely new category of crime.



Yes, you are so right. They love scapegoats and will eat them alive or sit and laugh while others do.

okosh
10-23-2011, 05:26 PM
I have been there, done that, a number of times in the past. I have a collection of the "Hate Blow" attacks. Did they scare you off!!?? lol :scared_1:

LOL..Can't you picture it....Me sitting here on the other side of the world shitting myself....
LOL...You gotta be joking....Scared of what??....

path2prosperity
10-23-2011, 05:27 PM
My maternal instinct in concerned about Kathleen. What will she do when it dawns on her that she has been conned?

She has put her neck on the chopping block to defend "Fiedur's Empire" without knowing any of his cronies in the Polish branch of the Empire. I have a picture of Fiedur's technical whiz kid. I sent a copy to Lynne. I may have also sent them to "okosh" and "scratchycat." I am not sure but they probabably already had the pictures on file.

I also sent a copy to somebody with enough technical know how to know that this person has been deleting a great deal from Adland's Polish site. Katleen may be able to use some robot translator to read a bit on Link Polonia (http://www.linkpolonia.com/) or the bits that they want her to be able to translate but is she able to get any information about who is who and what they are doing over there.

I think the picture of this "techie expert" should be available to all RS members and I will upload it unless anybody here objects.

okosh
10-23-2011, 07:37 PM
My maternal instinct in concerned about Kathleen. What will she do when it dawns on her that she has been conned?

She is actually being half civil to me now....Will see how long it lasts....
Most likely till I stop letting her change the subject of the thread :RpS_wink:

baylee
10-23-2011, 08:23 PM
She is actually being half civil to me now....Will see how long it lasts....
Most likely till I stop letting her change the subject of the thread :RpS_wink:

After reading all of this (her rebuttals) I have come to the conclusion that Kathleen is Not the sharpest knife in the drawer!

Soapboxmom
10-23-2011, 08:39 PM
After reading all of this (her rebuttals) I have come to the conclusion that Kathleen is Not the sharpest knife in the drawer!
Absolutely, just a fry or two short of that Happy Meal! :crazy: It would behoove her to just :zip it:

Soapboxmom

littleroundman
10-23-2011, 08:43 PM
After reading all of this (her rebuttals) I have come to the conclusion that Kathleen is Not the sharpest knife in the drawer!

Sounds like she's a nice person,

but, boy is she D-U-B-M when it comes to understanding 'net fraud and the law.

There's nothing on this earth fraudsters like more than a genuine true believer supporting their scam.

One "true believer" is the equivalent of 20 slick professional shills to a fraudster.

Mr EZWealth and Mr Adland should be on their knees every night, giving thanks that Kathleen dropped in their lap.

littleroundman
10-23-2011, 08:45 PM
Absolutely, just a fry or two short of that Happy Meal! :crazy: It would behoove her to just :zip it:

Soapboxmom

Yep,

definitely a kangaroo short in the top paddock is young Kathleen.

Whip
10-23-2011, 09:49 PM
After reading all of this (her rebuttals) I have come to the conclusion that Kathleen is Not the sharpest knife in the drawer!I saw that only ever reading one post.

Whip
10-23-2011, 09:50 PM
Absolutely, just a fry or two short of that Happy Meal! :crazy: It would behoove her to just :zip it:

SoapboxmomNo way. Watching self destruction can be fascinating.

okosh
10-23-2011, 10:10 PM
Yep,

definitely a kangaroo short in the top paddock is young Kathleen.

Just one???....LOL....

No doubt most of the cheese has fallen of her cracker :RpS_laugh:

okosh
10-23-2011, 10:13 PM
Here's just one of the bits I don't get....

They attack anyone who don't use a real name and pic.....But how the heck do they know if half the names being used on adland aren't fake??....
I mean...I could use any name I made up and get a pic of some person from google...
How would they know if it's real or not??...

Whip
10-23-2011, 10:46 PM
Here's just one of the bits I don't get....

They attack anyone who don't use a real name and pic.....But how the heck do they know if half the names being used on adland aren't fake??....
I mean...I could use any name I made up and get a pic of some person from google...
How would they know if it's real or not??...

How does anyone know that they, themselves are using their own name and pic? It's all bullcrap. And if they are using their own name and pic, it's because of their own desperation to rope people into the scams.

littleroundman
10-23-2011, 11:05 PM
Here's just one of the bits I don't get....

They attack anyone who don't use a real name and pic.....But how the heck do they know if half the names being used on adland aren't fake??....
I mean...I could use any name I made up and get a pic of some person from google...
How would they know if it's real or not??...

Must be wonderful living in LoveLifeandLightLand where all the bad guys use their real names and wear black hats and Zorro masks so their true intentions can be revealed.

I mean, everyone knows that naughty people don't use their real names,

just think of Andy Bowdoin, Bernard Madoff, Charis Johnson





Oh,



oops.

path2prosperity
10-24-2011, 03:42 AM
Kathleen claims that an unauthorised person was using Adlandpro community control panel. How does she know that the person who did this can speak the English language? How can she do any DD on Adland when she only speaks English?

Soapboxmom
10-24-2011, 08:37 AM
That hilarious thread has just vanished. It appears every time Kathleen makes a horses rear out of herself it gets pulled. Rats! That was some of our best work, right, Okosh!

Soapboxmom:peace:

laidback
10-24-2011, 09:47 AM
That hilarious thread has just vanished. It appears every time Kathleen makes a horses rear out of herself it gets pulled. Rats! That was some of our best work, right, Okosh!

Soapboxmom:peace:

LOL...! I see this one is still there: 16-If We SEE SOMETHING, We're Going To SAY SOMETHING | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2483300/IfWeSEESOMETHINGWereGoingToSAYSOMETHING/16.aspx) but this one is gone: http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2485151/Didyouknow/3.aspx?latest=True#latestpost ...! Must be the "Ostrich Syndrome", you know...When you stick your thread in the sand it's no longer a problem or embarrassment...!http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lingua3.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)

littleroundman
10-24-2011, 09:57 AM
Must be the "Ostrich Syndrome", you know...When you stick your thread in the sand it's no longer a problem or embarrassment...!

Someone heard the phrase "plausible deniability" and decided deleting the relevant threads just might work if the excreta ever did hit rotating air circulation device.

Soapboxmom
10-24-2011, 10:12 AM
So, now the only question is how long it will take for that last remaining thread to disappear and / or for me to be shown the door.

17-If We SEE SOMETHING, We're Going To SAY SOMETHING | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2483300/IfWeSEESOMETHINGWereGoingToSAYSOMETHING/17.aspx?latest=True#latestpost)

Soapboxmom

scratchycat
10-24-2011, 10:16 AM
LOL...! I see this one is still there: 16-If We SEE SOMETHING, We're Going To SAY SOMETHING | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2483300/IfWeSEESOMETHINGWereGoingToSAYSOMETHING/16.aspx) but this one is gone: http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2485151/Didyouknow/3.aspx?latest=True#latestpost ...! Must be the "Ostrich Syndrome", you know...When you stick your thread in the sand it's no longer a problem or embarrassment...!http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lingua3.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)

Gosh I hate I missed those last posts!! I was enjoying a wonderful Sunday and did not want to tarnish it by visiting the Soap Opera Land!!! Surely some of you got some good copies of all that fun you much have had!!

I say go for the Bash Blow forum instead it might be even more fun!! Kansas law now, OMG, now I am :scared_1: Want to put the kitty cat behind bars - for what!!?? Telling the TRUTH!! Not the lies they are allowing to be mouthed off in that filthy thread.:butt_kisser: Looks like one of those to me! Thanks SBM!!

laidback
10-24-2011, 10:44 AM
It seems that not everybody shares her view of the law...!
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Kansas cyber-stalking laws: Kansas Cyberstalking Laws | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/list_6644824_kansas-cyberstalking-laws.html) See this phrase there: "creating alter identities to harass or defame" Someone from Kansas did that to me on another site while using 2 different ID names there, also posed as Admin in THIS forum and demanded no more posts be made.
"A stalker may face from 5 months to 26 months of jail time."
(Have you heard about jail? 90% chance of getting beaten up within the first week, probably more than once. 35% chance of not surviving the first year. Jails are populated with young people there for assault & worse crimes.)

Kathleen, It seems that again you should read the statute, ( KSA 21-3438: Stalking. (http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_21/Article_34/21-3438.html) ) and make sure you understand what it says. BTW, if it could be determined that your statements regarding jail are targeted at a specific person or persons, you could be possibly be charged with violating the statute...![/quote]

littleroundman
10-24-2011, 11:10 AM
Geebus,

I've seen some obstinacy, but Kathleen takes the cake for defiance, willfulness AND obstinacy.

You can lead a horse to water, and all that.

So much misunderstanding of the law/s and so much irrelevant waffle defending the indefensible.

Sad, really.

scratchycat
10-24-2011, 11:43 AM
DHS | "If You See Something, Say Something™" Campaign (http://www.dhs.gov/files/reportincidents/see-something-say-something.shtm)I just found something and maybe the little K might have used an already taken (copyrighted) name for her forum thread.

scratchycat
10-24-2011, 11:48 AM
It seems that not everybody shares her view of the law...!
[quoteUser is online. (Last Activity: 10/24/2011 8:37:18 AM)Wallace
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10/24/2011 8:42:45 AM

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Kansas cyber-stalking laws: Kansas Cyberstalking Laws | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/list_6644824_kansas-cyberstalking-laws.html) See this phrase there: "creating alter identities to harass or defame" Someone from Kansas did that to me on another site while using 2 different ID names there, also posed as Admin in THIS forum and demanded no more posts be made.
"A stalker may face from 5 months to 26 months of jail time."
(Have you heard about jail? 90% chance of getting beaten up within the first week, probably more than once. 35% chance of not surviving the first year. Jails are populated with young people there for assault & worse crimes.)

Kathleen, It seems that again you should read the statute, ( KSA 21-3438: Stalking. (http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_21/Article_34/21-3438.html) ) and make sure you understand what it says. BTW, if it could be determined that your statements regarding jail are targeted at a specific person or persons, you could be possibly be charged with violating the statute...!
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Now there are laws against CyberStalkingHarassment in a combined effort. I do believe laws are being broken in that scandal forum and since the owner continues to let it ride, it will involved his business.

Soapboxmom
10-24-2011, 11:49 AM
Kathleen's inane rambling continues:

Who was it targeted at? I didn't mention a name, just said someone from Kansas has been bugging me on other sites, there are lots of people from Kansas.

Why are you people in here only to continue harassment from another site? I only went to that site to defend myself, and now some of you are here in my forums.

I come up with my stuff the same way you do....opinions...right? Very important opinions. ALSO if people are DELIBERATELY and SYSTEMATICALLY trying to cause others to lose income, I do have every right to do everything I can. I have kids to take care of, and so do other people, myself and another marketer were mentioned by name, we actually have multi-ethnic families, so your site targeted minorities, even without your knowledge, so I had every right to compare my anonymous attackers to hooded KKK members lynching people, the posters at your site are contributing to the loss of income for 5 young part-minority people in 2 families.

Also, I stopped reading your site about 10 days ago, just because more typing has occurred there, you can't make me go read it.

Also, your site is full of anonymous people who change their IDS & icons frequently and also used different IDs when they come here to Adlandpro to my forums, while I've been clearly identified on both sites, so anyone with a brain in their heads would see that. I've been here at Adlandpro with my real name & photo for years. I do business with my real name & photo and I'm very proud of that. If other people are not proud enough of their names, they shouldn't be expected to be taken seriously, and often they are not.

I answered:

No one is being targeted because they are a minority or any of the other insane reasons you come up with. Some folks, including me, blog about possibly uneconomic schemes and those that publicly advertise that they are promoting them. It is the very rewarding work of a volunteer consumer advocate.

She is still confusing proper interpretation of laws in existence with opinion. Perhaps she should just :throw_computer:

Soapboxmom