Any "Dr Mara" News?

[path2prosperity]

The power of that woman was so unreal that there was a time when I wondered if she had been using subliminal sound to good effect.

This is a subject which I brought up on WLD and I had one very intelligent reply from a member who was convinced it could be used to persuade members of the public to buy.

She was caught out for lying about having a medical degree but she may have had a PhD in psychology. If she had specialised in neuro psychology, she could know just as much or more than some medical doctors.

One of the people that Mara lured onto her "spider's web was the half deaf "dolphin" who is still in one of the forums where Ken Russo and co find their material.

[littleroundman]

How does anyone know that "Dr Mara" even exists, much less what qualifications, if any, she has ???

One of the things which is hardest for many people to comprehend is that the internet has made it possible for any half smart 17 year old operating from his or her bedroom to be "anybody" he/she likes.

Websites cost next to nothing to run and there are many HYIP supporting webserver owners who will host HYIPs for a cut of the profit, or even for early positions in the HYIP.

HYIP and autosurf scripts are a dime a dozen, even at full price and pirated scripts are the norm, anyway.

Any self respecting "honest admin" who pays for a script would be drummed out of the HYIP Owners' Association in a second.

As for the need to pay "programmers" PTUI !!!

HYIP scripts, by their very nature are easily customized and it's only newbie owners and large scale scams such as AdSurf Daily which need special skills to operate.
Have a look back at virtually every HYIP which has ended up being the "next big thing" and you'll easily identify the time when the owner realized he/she needed help to upgrade the script to handle the volume.

Do a quick Google on "best hyip scripts" and frighten yourself,

I just did as I typed this post and got 55,700 hits in 0.18 seconds.

then add to your pain by Googling "Goldcoders script" then search "autosurf scripts"

That one gets me 190,000 hits
Heck, I can point you to HYIPs with 3 or 4 "owners" who all posted under the same alias on different forums.

All that's required is 10 minutes of organization and BINGO, "pathtoprosperity" can be any one of a 1000 different people from all parts of the world who have the password all posting through the same proxy.

I wouldn't mind betting that your "Dr Mara" is now known as "Honest Albert" or similar and has run/is running 10 more HYIPs since the collapse of Mrs VIP.

[path2prosperity]

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I wouldn't mind betting that your "Dr Mara" is now known as "Honest Albert" or similar and has run/is running 10 more HYIPs since the collapse of Mrs VIP.

Patrick has spoken about Vee and Mara. He is aware that Vee is a real person and he has spoken about Mrs Mara who used her as an icon to lure her bait.

There are pictures of all her team that were taken on board ship when Jake The Snake organised a cruise for a VLane conference?

I published a copy of the group that were supposed to be unknown to all other than members of GMS cafe.

Are you saying that all the naysayers were wrong about Mara being who she was in the pictures that were sent to me. Others here ihave never suugested the pictures of Vee and Mara in the public domain were not the faces of those two women.

[littleroundman]

What I'm saying is, we have absolutely no way of knowing for sure, other than the word of "Jake Amadee" that the picture shows who he claims it to be.

Would that be the "Jake Amadee" who has be shown to have lied virtually every single time he opened his mouth ???

Have you met "Jake Amadee" ???

Seen his passport photo ??? Birth certificate ???

The fact that one known fraudster or a whole pile of known fraudsters claim to have verified the identity of another fraudster counts for less than nothing, IM(very)HO

ESPECIALLY when it advantages the first scammer to have you believe what he/she says.

[path2prosperity]

The fact that one known fraudster or a whole pile of known fraudsters claim to have verified the identity of another fraudster counts for less than nothing, IM(very)HO.when it advantages the first scammer to have you believe what he/she says.

I have helped three groups of scam busters and this is the third. I was a TG naysayer, then I endured the flak that everybody endured, who tried to talk out against Vee and Mara on WLD. If this one fails, I will not try again.

If you are a mod here it seems odd that you seem to think that our efforts to bring Vee and that Mara woman to the notice of the authorities seem pointless. VLane clained to be genine business not a money game for those of us who has a PUNT with autosurfs. These women were big time crooks trying to get more than$10-$100 from people who had a PUNT.

[WishfulThinking]

Path2prosperity, it is not a criticism of your own contribution to scam busting for LRM to make the observations about Dr. Mara's identity. It appears that a person has been physically present at various rallies and meetings and has identified themselves as Dr. Mara. What we have no proof of is whether that is her real name and whether her supposed business curriculum is true or an invention.

The person who claims to be Dr. Mara is certainly the person that the authorities should be going after, but LRM's point is valid. Do we really know who she is? Has anyone seen her passport? A brief look at the AdSurfDaily history shows us a very cleverly fabricated curriculum of someone who was previously, in reality, a small time fraudster, but it took the US Secret Service to expose his true track record and AdsurfDaily was far better know to the internet public.

Who knows where or who "Dr. Mara" is now, because they definitely haven't caught her.

[path2prosperity]

Who knows where or who "Dr. Mara" is now, because they definitely haven't caught her.

That is all I wanted to know. I asked because I saw Dolphin's logo in the joint that "okosh" gave us, as a lead as to where Russo was getting his data. I noticed Dolpin so I assume that is where the VLaners congregate.

I used to communicate with Dolphin before she she joined VLane and I did my best to warn her that Vee was like a lamb going to the slaughter. It is hard to believe that thinking people like Dolphin are still up to their necks in the filthy "DrMara" shitte.

[scratchycat]

P2P, you are really good at finding information and reporting it. It must take a lot of time to trace down and find all the scammers that you have made others aware of, so your efforts will pay off.

I had never heard anything about this Dr. Mara, so I will have to do a little research when time allows.

[path2prosperity]

P2P, you are really good at finding information and reporting it. It must take a lot of time to trace down and find all the scammers that you have made others aware of, so your efforts will pay off.

I had never heard anything about this Dr. Mara, so I will have to do a little research when time allows.

This story will be big news soon. Dr Mara was one of the notorious VLane owners. I am amazrd that this was not widely promoted by Adland.

Somebody who did some research for me sent me a copy of a pocture of the whole team of scammers so that I could show people the investment experts. The picture was supposed to be top secret http://path2prosperity.com/VL-Staff.jpg

[scratchycat]

Oh yes, I did see that. Sure I would trust them with my money. LOL Thanks for the exposure.

Later now, have a good night.

[path2prosperity]

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[Sascha]

The power of that woman was so unreal that there was a time when I wondered if she had been using subliminal sound to good effect.

I do recall a conversation somewhere between you and 'The Extortion Buster', aka KB, re subliminal effect. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I find it fascinating that all roads lead back to 'The Extortion Buster.'


Patrick has spoken about Vee

Do you mean 'Vee', 'Mrs Vee', from P2P (Pathway2Prosperity) with admin Nick Smirnow?

[path2prosperity]

I do recall a conversation somewhere between you and 'The Extortion Buster', aka KB, re subliminal effect. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I find it fascinating that all roads lead back to 'The Extortion Buster.'

Do you mean 'Vee', 'Mrs Vee', from P2P (Pathway2Prosperity) with admin Nick Smirnow?

Hi Sascha,

I have few vague memories of having had the odd conversation with "Buster" from TG. I had two or three really intelligent replies from my contacts, when I raised the questions of subliminal sound. TG "Buster" may have been one who made some sense but the best reply which I had on that subject came from Dave "Crimebustersnow" who posts on WLD.

I will post all I know about Vee and Mara on the next post which I make in this thread.

Sorry to disappont you but all that I can remember saying about Smirnow in public or private forums is "Knickers to Nickers." I say all I need to say about him in my own publications.

Judy

[path2prosperity]

I did not join Vlane and I did my best to warn people, who were considering doing so, to stay away from it. I thought that neither Vee nor Mara had any knowledge of the mathematics which are essential to predict the future of evolving systems (such as calculus, non linear dynamics, Euclidian geometry, chaos theory etc.) I had long discussions with Dolphin on this matter but she decided to ignore the fact and join.

I pointed out the fact that, both women were also limited by their lack of linguistic skills. I do not know if either of them had contacts who understood the Cyrillic alphabet, let alone Arabic, Swahili Chinese, Croatian etc. I said that the only language which could be understood by all VLane members would be prime numbers and the sort of languages used by the fictitious mathematician Ian Malcolm in the BOOK (not the film version) of Jurassic Park.

What remains from GMS and Vlane is now in the hands of legal authorities, historians, professional journalists etc. A few amateurs (like me) find comic relief material from varios sources for my blog and other publications. I found it very amusing to get a "private" communication in my e-mail about a new dubious scheme WHICH WAS NOT TO BE MENTIONED IN ANY PUBLIC FORUM. I posted it here before I made a joke post about the closed circle in my own blog.

[Eddie Haskell]

I did not join Vlane and I did my best to warn people, who were considering doing so, to stay away from it. I thought that neither Vee nor Mara had any knowledge of the mathematics which are essential to predict the future of evolving systems (such as calculus, non linear dynamics, Euclidian geometry, chaos theory etc.) I had long discussions with Dolphin on this matter but she decided to ignore the fact and join.

I pointed out the fact that, both women were also limited by their lack of linguistic skills. I do not know if either of them had contacts who understood the Cyrillic alphabet, let alone Arabic, Swahili Chinese, Croatian etc. I said that the only language which could be understood by all VLane members would be prime numbers and the sort of languages used by the fictitious mathematician Ian Malcolm in the BOOK (not the film version) of Jurassic Park.

What remains from GMS and Vlane is now in the hands of legal authorities, historians, professional journalists etc. A few amateurs (like me) find comic relief material from varios sources for my blog and other publications. I found it very amusing to get a "private" communication in my e-mail about a new dubious scheme WHICH WAS NOT TO BE MENTIONED IN ANY PUBLIC FORUM. I posted it here before I made a joke post about the closed circle in my own blog.

You can leave out the calculus, non linear dynamics, Euclidian geometry, chaos theory etc. This was a basic ponzi run by con-women. It blew up after a little less than a year and a half if memory serves me. Dolphin was a moderator and shill for the ladies and was likely taken care of. She is quite a nut job her self. She has quite a track record and was broken down by Gold Kitty of the MMG forum at one time. I dont know what ever happened to GK but she was one hell of a scam buster.

[path2prosperity]

You can leave out the calculus, non linear dynamics, Euclidian geometry, chaos theory etc. This was a basic ponzi run by con-women. It blew up after a little less than a year and a half if memory serves me. Dolphin was a moderator and shill for the ladies and was likely taken care of. She is quite a nut job her self. She has quite a track record and was broken down by Gold Kitty of the MMG forum at one time. I dont know what ever happened to GK but she was one hell of a scam buster.

You are absolutely right Eddie. I know that it was nothing but a ponzi now.

I told everybody whom I knew, not to join it, when they were gearing up for the launch. It sickened me because they promised long term returns not gambling type "game of chance returns". You have to understand theoretical maths to see into the future of an evolving system for any longer than a few days. After that predictions of the rate of change are about as reliable as the long term weather forecast.

I have "goldkitty's" private e-mail so if you get really hot tips that you want forwarded to her, I will see if she replies. She is lying low but she was inundated with enquiries as to whether I was one of the secret big wigs who was raking in cash and she answered that in public. I was very amused by her reply. I had just set up my new domain with a .co.uk extension rather than the.com one which you know. I put all publications on ice until I had gathered enough information to re launch them. If anybody wants to know the last things she said about me, it is on the .co.uk home page.

When GK comes out of hibernation, she will hurl thunder bolts not fire crackers.

[Former Player]

What do you want to know about VLane? Ask me and I will answer.

[path2prosperity]

What do you want to know about VLane? Ask me and I will answer.

Please do not send me any more information because I have said everything I know in public not private and I would only pass supposed inside information over to PartickPretty, LynneEdgington or "goldkitty" without reading it or commenting on it myself. Thanks for the offer anyhow.

I did my best to warn people before it opened and a few listened. I had a long debate with Stephen on ASA forum about the programme. It was a marathon that went on for around three hours.

I said that the concept of their being able to recruit workable teams over the Internet was a joke and a half as I knew a lot more about recruitment than Vee or Mara. Stephen was incenced and told me that a person with a medical degree and a PhD in psycology like Mara was far better qualified than I was to build teams. I had spent almost all my working life as a recruiment consultant. My psychological training was industrial psychology which was not clinical. I was trained to use "Meredith Belbins Team Roles" testing methods but Stephen swore she was far better equipped than I was to build teams. That debate was public.

I also clashed swords with that twerp "tranlady" or Annie on ASA about her and Vee's ability to handle "stormy" better than any legal authority or proper investigative journalist. My wars with Stephen and Annie were all public, not private and it was splashed all over ASA so some journalist, researcher, historian or legal authority already has information about everything I know.

Goldkitty assured her followers that I had never had anything to do with Vee and Mara and that I was not a scammer, so people sent me news including first pictures of the VLane team for naysayers to view. I published that picture on my own web site so naysayers could comment about them on public forums. I did not spy for anybody. I only have "goldkitty's" email because she got in touch with me asking me to elaborate on a post about Mara which I made on TG.

The only thing that I would be interested to know is whether magiciansmate was ever a member as the person is now a naysayer who publishes on WLD a lot.

[Former Player]

Mrs.Vee truly believed in Dr. Mara and sincerely believed she was getting the returns needed to support the program. We used to hear a lot about European Bankers and Swiss Banks!

[path2prosperity]

Patrick and Lynne have covered the matter so well that it seems pointless going over it all again here.

The only thing that I wanted people here to know is that ex Vlaners are still looking for ways to make up their losses and send out e-mails from their "closedcircle" forbidding recipients to publish the news on other forums.

That CLOSED CIRCLE is the joke of the day.

[path2prosperity]

Mrs.Vee truly believed in Dr. Mara and sincerely believed she was getting the returns needed to support the program. We used to hear a lot about European Bankers and Swiss Banks!

I am sure you did but it is the little bits of BS that spark off memories and get we old timers to make a connection. These two disliked the thought of being mentioned in any modern history books as villians. I think that worried Vee more than Mara.

[Former Player]

What is sad about VLane is that so many people believed in the program. They raised the maximum investment to 60K which totally devistated a lot of people financially. I know several people that had their finances ruined.

[EagleOne]

Former Player:

If you have anything you would like to share with me about Mara, Vee, V-Lane/MrsVIP, etc., please send me a PM, and I'll give you my email address where to contact me.

[path2prosperity]

What is sad about VLane is that so many people believed in the program. They raised the maximum investment to 60K which totally devistated a lot of people financially. I know several people that had their finances ruined.

It is sad. However people need "balls" to get them through tough times. Vee and Mara will laugh their way into the history books and go down in posterity as lovable rogues unless people have the "balls" to see that they are brought to justice. They have already laughed their way to the bank. Are you friends going to help future generations see Vee and Mara as role models for criminal behaviour?

[path2prosperity]

I do recall a conversation somewhere between you and 'The Extortion Buster', aka KB, re subliminal effect. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I find it fascinating that all roads lead back to 'The Extortion Buster.'

One conversation I had with Buster has resurfaced. He had been doing some DD on me and unearthed some advertising I placed in Wireless World in 1972. I was impressed by that and I probably gave him the highest accolate which I give to anybody for that bit of research. It was a genuine advertisment that I had placed almost 40 years ago.

The guy is not as green as he can be cabbage looking.

[EagleOne]

I can tell you that Vee and Mara do exist, they were dumb enough to use their real names, and the pictures of them are really them and their band of thieves. I was hoping that Former Player would have contacted me, but so far no cigar. Always nice to have additional information to share with the right people. I only hope the West Virginia and Florida AG's, as well as the Feds are conducting their investigations into their Ponzi. At least we know they have been notified.

In working with our local DA on a case, I asked them what was their average time it took to thoroughly investigate a case before charges are filed. His reply may shock some of you. He said, "Anywhere from 18 months to two years on average." And those are the simple ones to investigate. They have one case they have been investigating for over three years, and still can't bring charges yet.

Former Player, if you are still around, I would appreciate you contacting me. Thanks.

[path2prosperity]

What do you want to know about VLane? Ask me and I will answer.

There is only one piece of news which I would like about Vee and the investments which she made for her members in or around Jan 2005.

[Eddie Haskell]

So do the two bitches think this has died off? Think again. HOw much did Mara and Vee Fureoff steal? We have addresses, places of works, and all sorts or important information. How about some justice? Vee, your school work could be history soon. YOur on my list to do something about. Wait till your school hears about your honey. YOur toast.

Hamilton Middle School
3501 Cadillac Dr
Parkersburg, WV 26104-2199

Telephone: 304-420-9547
Fax : 304-420-9567

Everybody call them please.

Vee is a school teacher and a con woman!

MOre to come'

[Eddie Haskell]

I called them but it was after hours. IM going to call back the next day to have some fun. Please pile on. LOL

[Former Player]

Eddie, Mrs.Vee was very low on the totem pole. Dr. Mara dealt with all of the funds. Some of the ponzis of the past were huge and even involved some banks. In fact VLane did a good amount of banking and investments with Stanford Bank which of course was shut down for operating as a ponzi. Lynn, I might get around to sharing some info with you.




So do the two bitches think this has died off? Think again. HOw much did Mara and Vee Fureoff steal? We have addresses, places of works, and all sorts or important information. How about some justice? Vee, your school work could be history soon. YOur on my list to do something about. Wait till your school hears about your honey. YOur toast.

Hamilton Middle School
3501 Cadillac Dr
Parkersburg, WV 26104-2199

Telephone: 304-420-9547
Fax : 304-420-9567

Everybody call them please.

Vee is a school teacher and a con woman!

MOre to come'

[path2prosperity]

So do the two bitches think this has died off?

There is communication from IMV (whoever he/she is) about some sort of payments to the top echelon. Ex members may recognize who is trying to convince others that there is some hope on the horizon and that making a fuss over lost funds is the wrong course of action.

Have a read HERE (http://palscafe.forumotion.com/t272p225-gmscafe-forum).

[Former Player]

Eagleone, do you think that with the years gone by that there is any chance for justice? Would it take a bunch of people coming forward? Last I heard Dr. Mara was in Germany. There are probably millions of dollars stored in some European bank somewhere.


Former Player, if you are still around, I would appreciate you contacting me. Thanks.

[path2prosperity]

Eagleone, do you think that with the years gone by that there is any chance for justice? Would it take a bunch of people coming forward? Last I heard Dr. Mara was in Germany. There are probably millions of dollars stored in some European bank somewhere.

If you have any real evidence that this is true, then the matter must be reported to Customs and Excise. I do not know how VAT law applies in Germany but if she had been British, she would be above the threshold VAT. I have vague memories of them saying that they were investing member's funds on our Isle of Mann. If anything can be traced to these shores then it is a matter for Customs and Excise.

One of the VLane team was British and any former player from UK should pass on information to Customs and Excise. I think the mod was SusyQ but I am not sure. I have the picture of the whole team and several ex VLaners have told me which one was The British member. I did not register as a free member which was a bit naive of me but I made every effort that I could to fight this before it got off the ground. Anybody who received money which did not bring them above the level of VAT is safe and if the British mod was an innocent victim, she will have a chance to explain that she sincerely believed the money was invested in a legitimate American business run by responsible, law abiding American citizens.

[Former Player]

I believe the money is in a Swiss bank. Supposedly the funds are frozen at this bank and I heard it to be in the millions.

[path2prosperity]

I believe the money is in a Swiss bank. Supposedly the funds are frozen at this bank and I heard it to be in the millions.

That is the story line but how true is it. The advertising boards which announced the great VLane are closed (ASA, The Safelist and the one run by Stephen somebody or other) Well known clowns like Jake the Snake, Broker Jones, Russo, Kent Black and Jack Cobb squabbled over the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. A few hopefuls hang out at Pals Cafe waiting for news. Cash that existed passed through so many countries and banks like HOI processor and some real law suits were fought over funds that might have existed.

There is a very good documented paper trail. Mara probably got away with enough to set up a retirement fund for herself which I call The Bank of Dr Mara's Knickers.

How a British member whom I think was known as Susy Q got involved is another matter. If she was a victim, her story needs to be told. The chances of her having enough stowed away to warrant a raid by Customs and Excise is very slim but she could help herself if she spoke out about the way these people conned her.i

[Former Player]

I have a lot of info about them. Including names of banks and account numbers at these banks they were using. I would turn over all of this info if there was a chance that we might be able to recover some of the money. I seriously think there is a large amount of money stashed away in one of these banks. I also have an enormous amount of screen shots of the back office for the program. I have copies of agreements, transcripts of all the global conference calls etc.

[path2prosperity]

I have a lot of info about them. Including names of banks and account numbers at these banks they were using. I would turn over all of this info if there was a chance that we might be able to recover some of the money. I seriously think there is a large amount of money stashed away in one of these banks. I also have an enormous amount of screen shots of the back office for the program. I have copies of agreements, transcripts of all the global conference calls etc.

Why would you only turn them in, if there was something in it for you? Why not do it because of your concern about others?

[EagleOne]

Eagleone, do you think that with the years gone by that there is any chance for justice? Would it take a bunch of people coming forward? Last I heard Dr. Mara was in Germany. There are probably millions of dollars stored in some European bank somewhere.

In regard to your question about justice at this late date, yes there is still time. Of course the more who come forward, the better it will be for action to be taken not only by the Feds, but by the states as well. The US has extradited people from all over the world, so it makes no difference where Dr. Mara is residing/hiding out.

You have to understand that the wheels of justice do move slowly at times, but they do move. Just because something has not been done yet, does not mean it won't. Hope this helped.

[path2prosperity]

SusyQ has raised her head from under a stone and alerted all the authorities, journalists and historians who frequent Adlandpro to pictures of the entire VLane staff and their exploits. If SusyQ wishes too plug crappy MLMs, she should have chosen something better than Shelf Reliance and avoided any association with serial ponzi promoters like Mary Evelyn Simpson of Adlandpro.

This error on Susy's behalf has brought Mara and her team into the full glare of publicity once again.

SusyQ plugs Thrive products and Shelf Reliance. (http://www.shelfreliance.com/blog/index.php/2012/09/07/suzie-pledge-prepare/)