Club Asteria - club-asteria.com

[GlimDropper]

From our Lipstick on the pig file.,...


About Us


Our Goals (http://www.club-asteria.com/goals)

Without a vision there is no hope. Our vision is for a better life for the non-privileged individuals and families of the world.

Our dream is to eliminate global poverty in our lifetime. We give hope and assistance in fulfilling that dream to so many impoverished families.

Our goal is to develop new entrepreneurial spirit and economic thinking in the minds of our members. We seek to break the cycle of poverty that exists for hundreds of millions of people around the world by providing for them the education, innovative products and services, systems and tools and management support to help them to support themselves, and to help create a world where the needy have adequate access to economic opportunities and the hope to move beyond poverty. A self sufficient individual who can support his/her family with the basic necessities of life � adequate food, housing, health care and education, does not need to tear his family apart in order to seek a better life somewhere else.


Membership (http://www.club-asteria.com/affillates)

Every once in a while there is a moment in time where everything comes together. When there is magic in the air what could not be accomplished before becomes possible now. The evolution of the Internet has radically altered the way we communicate, innovate, create, express, buy, sell, invest, research, and even date. Just about every human behavior and activity has an online counterpart. We now have instant access to knowledge, intelligence and transactions that never before in history were available. As with all major shifts in business the evolution of the Internet has ushered in new opportunities and categories of entrepreneurs.



Our membership is made up of entrepreneurs interested in global social issues, immigrants and expatriates, motivated and ambitious individuals from underdeveloped regions of the world and of course anybody interested in benefitting from our products and services.


We offer our Members opportunities to improve their lives by taking advantage of
• our educational programs
• earning commissions by marketing our products and services
• utilizing our discount shopping and travel opportunities
• our mobile cash management and transfer capabilities
• participating in our philanthropic and our micro-finance / micro-credit programs, and
• participating and contributing to the Club Asteria Global Forum.





About Us (http://www.club-asteria.com/leaders)

Andrea Lucas, PMD, MBA, CPA, CMC, former Director of the World Bank, published author and mentor, is founder and Managing Director of Club Asteria. Andrea has over 30 years experience in finance, management, consulting and international project development in developing nations. Andrea is a native of Austria, who emigrated to Canada as a young woman, where she learned first hand about the trials and tribulations of being a stranger in a foreign country. Now, this successful entrepreneur is ready to give back to the expatriate community to enrich the lives of the less fortunate.

Beautiful goals, entrepreneurial ethics and it's founder is a former director of the World Bank. This is the sort of program that former US Presidents do public service announcements for.,...right? Then why is there a 60 page (and growing) thread on it over at talkgold?

Simple, it's a ponzi scheme. Well that's a bit of an over simplification, it also has some characteristics of a pyramid scheme, an affiliate marketing program, coaching and "mentoring" services, a shopping portal (the Blastoff Network no less) and whether the founders realize it or not (wink wink, nudge nudge) it also has impressive potential as a money laundering operation.

It's fairly impressive how hidden the nuts and bolts details of the compensation and affiliate plans are. I've found a separate URL for the company and will drag that when I get the chance so some of the following is second hand information.

Three basic membership levels and additional "directorship" positions you can purchased. You can sign up for free but you need to be a Silver or Gold member (at $9.95 and $19.95 per month respectively) to participate in the "revenue sharing" program. Your initial silver or gold payment is ~matched~ with 10 or 20 "asterios" (they're like dollars) and in theory the average 7-10% per week compounding interest rate should allow you to pay your monthly fee just off your interest in about five months. If you're not the patient type you can also add to your "asterio" balance via bank wire or any of many popular payment processors. And yes, of course they offer matching bonuses for cash deposits, 100% direct match for deposits of $250 or more ($250 becomes 500 Asterios). They do have a 20,000 asterio cap on any one account, but cheerfully enough they do allow more than one account per "household."

I'm looking for info on the "directorship" positions but there seem to be areas of the website not available to free members or the public at large. There are five levels of them and the buy in ranges from $1,000 to $9,500 (Interesting note, I did find a page indicating that no money transfers of over $9,500 were permitted without direct authorization of the club. Gee isn't that the cutoff point where any bank would need to file notice of the transfer?). I don't know exactly what your one to nine and a half grand buys you but I'm sure you get your asterios worth.

The Alexa numbers (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/club-asteria.com#) are impressive on this one. And it seems quite possible that the majority of their membership (which could well be closing in on 100,000) are non native english speakers. Russia and India in particular seem very well represented.

In the reading I did one thing really jumped the hell out at me:


Low Cost Money Transfer Services and MasterCard Prepaid Debit Cards Are Here!

All over the world there are tens of millions of people who have great difficulty receiving desperately needed funds from their loved ones. These are the unbankable people of the world. And when funds do reach them, the high money transfer costs often greatly diminish the final payout. At Club-Asteria we recognize that this is one of the greatest financial problems that perpetuates the cycle of poverty.

We have partnered with the best financial professionals in the world to put together a service that will revolutionize the way you send money home to help your family and loved ones. As a Gold Member of Club-Asteria, you will receive an Asteria Club account that provides you access to online banking and your individual electronic wallet. This will give you the freedom to bank whenever and wherever you want. You can check your balance and transfer funds to your loved ones anywhere in the world. You can fund your e-Wallet by sending money via bank wire, credit card, by using the online payment system available from 24 top banks in the world, by mobile phone transmissions and of course via receipts of your commissions from Club-Asteria.

Your cost for this service is a one-time fee of 2.5% when you deposit funds into your e-Wallet. This is the ONLY FEE that you will be charged for the utilization of your account and all of the money transfers that you want to make. For example, if you deposit $100 into your account, the cost will be $2.50. After that if you want to send funds to five family members, friends or loved ones, your cost would already be covered by the $2.50 taken out of your account (equaling 50 cents per transmission) - there are NO OTHER CHARGES! In addition, we offer the absolute best international currency conversion rates.

Your mobile phone can be used as an account management tool. Most importantly Asteria Club Members can transfer funds to themselves, other members, and check their balance via their mobile phones. SMS text is a way to use your mobile phone to check your account balance, and transfer money instantaneously all over the world. Your loved ones receive the money that you want them to have immediately in real time.

Additionally, you have the opportunity to purchase a MasterCard Prepaid Card. Funds sent to you via SMS text on your mobile phone can immediately be transferred to this MasterCard Prepaid Card. You can then use your Card to buy products and services anywhere in the world where MasterCard is accepted. The MasterCard Prepaid Cards can be issued anywhere in the world and come with chip and pin security that increases the safety to the card owner and reduces fraud risk. There are no credit checks or monthly or yearly maintenance fees for the MasterCard Prepaid Card.

Exceptional Benefits to Club-Asteria Members:
* Your personal e-Wallet
* Online Banking-Mobile Banking (SMS)
* International Instant Money Transfers
* Real Time Online Payments
* Instant Access to Commissions from Club Asteria
* Multiple MasterCard Prepaid Cards Available For Your Loved Ones

These financial services will prove to be one of the greatest benefits of your Club-Asteria membership.

Club-Asteria Shares Its Vision For The Future

With the help of our Network Directors and members we have finalized our Vision for 2011-2012. With the help and dedication of each of our members we can accomplish what we are setting out to do to make great positive changes in the world. It is the cumulative effort of all of our members that makes this vision achievable.

Of course it's very laudable to extend low cost money handling options to all corners of the globe but this is potentially dangerous. If you can send money to near any enabled smart phone in the world what's to keep drug dealers (or worse) from using Club Asteria like an international debit card? This is an impressively put together program with many facets. In many ways this is a distillation of several categories of scams but it also shows evolution in it's constituent parts. In the same way that FaceBook wasn't particularly original but rather was a synergistic combination or existing elements, Club Asteria might end up being larger than the sum of it's individual scams.

[baylee]

This one is being pushed hard across the forums by strosdegoz/manolo and now ken/DrDave/ russo has joined in. Those two are all the Red Flags needed to tell me that the program is pure scam.

[littleroundman]

Beautiful goals, entrepreneurial ethics and it's founder is a former director of the World Bank.

And here we have our first little "red flag"

A closer look at the "founders" resume indicates she was, in fact, a "director" of one section of one office of the World Bank.

IOW, a clerical officer.

She was NOT a member of the board of directors of the World Bank.

Memories of the confusion regarding the awarding of a "Congressional Medal", anyone ????

[GlimDropper]

Promoting Club-Asteria

Posted On:08/01/10

We encourage our Members to promote Club Asteria.

We want you to take full advantage of the benefits you receive as a Gold Member when you invite your friends to also become Gold Members. As you know, every Gold Member in your organization will yield $9 to you every month for as long as both you and they are active Members ($4.50 for Silver Members). Make spreading the word about Club Asteria your business and soon you will enjoy a very nice and steady income from it.

However – please be very careful about the methods and words you use to promote Club Asteria. You can be sure that we will know about all websites and emails that are generated by our Members in their efforts to grow their organization. We will find the websites on the Internet ourselves or someone will send us a link or copy of an email they received to verify if what is said there is in fact true. It is very unfortunate that we have had to suspend several members who published misleading and blatantly false information about our business model and generous commission policy.

Please do not use or imply words like “guarantee”, “10% per week”, “Investment”, etc. in your invitations to others as they might rely entirely on what you tell them instead of reading our website and Terms of Service. Please do NOT mislead others or take advantage of them if they do not speak English very well and cannot ascertain by themselves what we are explaining on our website. To clarify:

Guarantee: Since we have no control over the income that we receive weekly, we cannot guarantee to pay any specific percentage per week. The only thing that we do guarantee is that we will distribute 75% of the revenues received every week back to the Members in the form of commissions and bonuses.

Investment: We are not a bank nor an investment house that holds your money, invests it and then gives you a certain return. You purchase programs, products (including Asterios) and services from Club Asteria the same way as you purchase them from any other source – there is no investment involved or implied. Network Directors purchase a position of leadership and that entitles them to earn commissions up to 30% on the sales generated by their entire organization.

Passive Income: Our business model assures you steady income and we would like you to promote that rather than passive income, although that is an option too. We want you to get involved in our cause and make a difference in the lives of others by showing them how they too can make a good living from their participation in Club Asteria.

We have given our Gold Members all the tools they need to promote Club Asteria the proper way. Please use your free Cumada account with a series of 7 pre-written emails that are automatically sent to your recruits. Before publishing websites that promote Club Asteria please let us take a look at them before they are made public. We want to help you find new Members who understand our business model and make an informed decision when they join. They will be the ones that remain active Members and make your business grow, not those who come on board for a free ride.

Thank you for helping to protect the image of Club Asteria.

Andrea Lucas
Managing Director



The words change but the script stays the same. Andrea uses more flowery prose but otherwise this could have been written by Andy. Bowdoin that is.

[baylee]

Eagle also pointed out that they have no license to transfer money. I also seen a no payment/ No Support at MMG since 12/16.

[GlimDropper]

And here we have our first little "red flag"

A closer look at the "founders" resume indicates she was, in fact, a "director" of one section of one office of the World Bank.

IOW, a clerical officer.

She was NOT a member of the board of directors of the World Bank.

Memories of the confusion regarding the awarding of a "Congressional Medal", anyone ????

Ding ding ding, give that man a cigar.



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In fairness, the link with that photo is from their site but it does put a finer point on her title than her promotional material does.

[littleroundman]

Eagle also pointed out that they have no license to transfer money. I also seen a no payment/ No Support at MMG since 12/16.

That will make no difference to the usual suspect HYIP ponzi "playas"

but anyone else thinking of joining would do well to consider the implications of being involved with any program which openly advertises money laundering and unlicensed money transfers.

I can't BEGIN to imagine how many international law enforcement agencies will sit up and take notice of such blatant criminality.

Way to go to attract attention to a HYIP ponzi "game" boys and girls.

[GlimDropper]

Eagle also pointed out that they have no license to transfer money. I also seen a no payment/ No Support at MMG since 12/16.

Howdy baylee, welcome to RealScam.

Eagle has an amazing talent for being correct and ponzi scheme operators seldom trouble themselves with licensing. If they attract any official attention the lack of a permit is the least of their problems.

And our dear and darling friends over at talkgold are still singing out "I got paid." For the time being at least. ;)

[baylee]

Eagle also pointed out that they have no license to transfer money. I also seen a no payment/ No Support at MMG since 12/16.

Here is the post from MMG.



Yes, I've complied with ALL their rules. Enrolled on 12/4, bought $250 more Asterios on 12/16, read all the news. If this isn't resolved shortly to my satisfaction, I'll be filing complaints with the payment processors and start posting negative comments on every forum known to mankind.

[GlimDropper]

Oh charming, from the Club Asteria "leaders" page:




http://www.cumada.com/img/HankFaded150.JPG Hank Needham, Director of Sales and Marketing, is responsible for establishing Country, Regional and Network Team Leaders. Hank has 22 Years experience in building Sales Teams throughout Europe, United States, Asia and Africa with special emphasis in the Network Marketing and Communications Industry.

Cumada dot com is one of CA's marketing websites and Mr.Needham has a page up (http://www.cumada.com/?ref=how.gifting):



WELCOME TO GIFTING

This page is designed to help you get all the information in ONE Place that you need to get started with your Gifting Program. Any additions or changes that you think it needs, please let us know and we will make the necessary changes.

The first and most important thing is to speak with me on how to set things up. I am here to help you and absolutely want to see you succeed. I want to help introduce you to your Back Office. Again, I want to speak with you, so be sure that this happens.

Get a Skype Account - It makes calls around the world Free.

There are loads of GREAT Marketing strategies within your Gifting Site and make sure you have it set up correcty. Read through your back office and Newsletters. Be sure to have:
The movie you wish to promote selected - we use #3, but waiting for the new one.
Your Membership Profile Correctly completed
Complete the section on Accepted Gift Payments Methods
Your AutoResponder messges set to ON
Call Back System Set up. Yes you want Option 1 - Leaders will call for you. You also want to follow up on these calls. You do get more gifts if you do.
Personalize your Website - Upload a Picture.Add "cash gifting" to the growing list of scams Club Asteria promotes.

[okosh]

Add "cash gifting" to the growing list of scams Club Asteria promotes.

With the large number of people from non english speaking countries who have joined club-asteria I see the cash gifting promotion as a real problem....

They have tapped into thousands of new suckers they can now lead from scam to scam to scam....

Really need to get the Feds to close this one down and fast....That way there is more chance of those to whom club-asteria is their first scam that they will make it their last and just walk away and never deposit a dime to such rubbish again....

[GlimDropper]

OK, this one makes no sense. Here is another (http://www.cumada.com/?ref=silver.gifting) Hank Needham/cumada webpage with, of all things his affiliate link to Ad Surf Daily which was shut down more than two years ago. His ref number was 36428 btw. I've been combing cumada and have found people spamming adventures4u and Genius Funds links as well, two more defunct ponzi schemes.

I don't claim to understand this but it sure is nice to know this isn't some peoples first trip to the circus. Hmm, I wonder how many other scams Hank Needham has promoted.

[EagleOne]

As for Hank Needham, we believe he was in GNI, PTVPartner, possibly P2P, TriStar, Megalido, MrsVIP/VLane, and 12DP. Still checking to confirm if he was in all of these or not. I would be more shocked if he wasn't than if he was.

We also believe he was/is in at least 4 cash gifting schemes. Quite the busy fellow but of course these are all legitimate programs. After all the IRS has said you can "gift" to anyone you want up to $13,000 as an individual, and a married couple can gift $26,000. Of course they always manage to leave off this last sentence from Title 26 of the IRS code: Your gift must be given with ABSOLUTELY NO EXPECTATION OF RECEIVING ANYTHING IN RETURN. Don't you just hate it when those pesky legal issues crop up in a good scam. :judge::judge:

[GlimDropper]

Here is the post from MMG.

[quote name='rwg' date='Jan 17 2011, 05:17 PM' post='6377475']
Yes, I've complied with ALL their rules. Enrolled on 12/4, bought $250 more Asterios on 12/16, read all the news. If this isn't resolved shortly to my satisfaction, I'll be filing complaints with the payment processors and start posting negative comments on every forum known to mankind.


"Outgrowing" the support staff's ability to process fund transfers and support tickets is one of the usual signs of a ponzi apocalypse. Sometimes it's more or less "legitimate" in so far as program growth can outstrip available service capacity but more often than not it's an excuse for when the laws of mathematics catch up to their available cash on hand. Each dollar coming in carries a promise of more than one dollar going out and if recruitment ever sags, payouts get delayed.

Club Asteria has a terrible little on site forum and for unattractive and difficult as their software makes it to communicate, it's beginning to send a clear message. Where are the Admin? More and more messages like this one:


e-mail from andrea about CA support issue
I received an email from andrea lucas dated 13 jan 2011 with subject: ticket support issue include missing bonus. she promise to fix this issue within 72 hours. if this email really from CA with correct information, then I assume that we will see positive progress for our problem and support ticket response. Target date is almost pass. any member who already got response and your problem solved, please post here, so all member will know the progress. thanks
Posted On : 01/15/2011Same poster, days later:


no Communication or news update since 3 jan
it has been more than 2 weeks wihout any communication update from management. keep silence will make situation become worst. I know that it will be difficult to solve all issues within short time. but regular communication from management (at least once a week) is required and very important for all members to understand current problem and progress of problem solving.
Posted On : 01/19/2011Couple this with the website loading so slow, it frequently times out and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the "smart" money isn't already pulling out. The next week or so should be interesting.

[littleroundman]

Another sign is that the "fix" is in on the usual suspect HYIP forums.

NO tolerance is being shown to anything even remotely critical of Asteria.

Anyone who puts their money anywhere near this one might as well just bend over, put their head between their legs and kiss their a** goodbye.

[GlimDropper]

Another portent of doom, Ken "DRdave" Russo tours the ponzi forums to buck up the troops:


Welcome to the newest member of my CA team.....

Peter Z-----------------------------ID 97067

Over 4700 new members since my last report just 4 days ago
for an average of about 1175 each day.

Well on our way to 100,000 members!!!

Some misinformed folks believe it is too late to join this fine program.
I believe we are just getting started.

Club Asteria is Your Gateway to a Brighter Future!

Join us today!!


It's hard to find reliable information on most of the "nuts and bolts" of this program. In inimitable ponzi fashion they've made the "80/20" rule mandatory but I have no idea of what happens if you just request they send you all your money. "DRdave" is no doubt in a "director" position and makes most his money off of recruiting and those commissions seem more liquid than "Asterio Balances" but I can't find any solid information on how quickly you can just cash out of the program when you realize the program is sinking.

(For archival purposes Ken Russo's ref id# is 51794)

[EagleOne]

They have already removed the member 2 member transfer button. A lot of unhappy members over that one and no message to the members saying it was going to happen either.

This is out of control and just a matter of time before it implodes. If it makes it to the end of February, I will be surprised. They can't get enough new members to counter all the money they have to pay out. To do so means they would have to be over 120,000 members right now just to pay the 70,000 of the 92,000+ in the program, and they are more than 25,000 away from that number. Then once they manage that, they have to get another 75,000 to keep it going for a little while longer. You can almost hear the fear in the major pimps voices begging people to join or they know this will collapse; and soon.

Nice to know that we have Ken on duty as he is one of the first to call a scam a scam. I know because he told me so. Gregg almost destroyed a new monitor and keyboard with Ken's claim. Since he has not called this one a scam, then it can't be a scam. Ken's honor. :RpS_laugh:

[okosh]

It's hard to find reliable information on most of the "nuts and bolts" of this program. In inimitable ponzi fashion they've made the "80/20" rule mandatory but I have no idea of what happens if you just request they send you all your money.

Does 80/20 rule mean you can withdraw 80% but must roll over 20%??....
Was this rule there from the start or is it new??....

[EagleOne]

Does 80/20 rule mean you can withdraw 80% but must roll over 20%??....
Was this rule there from the start or is it new??....

Just the reverse. You roll over 80% and only withdraw 20%. That's a sure sign they are in deep doo-doo financially.

[GlimDropper]

I'm sorry if I was less than clear okosh. The 80/20 rule isn't a recent invention, it's been in place for as long as I'm able to tell. This is an interestingly designed program, previous programs have had "cut and run" penalties to inhibit wholesale cashouts but C-A may well just prohibit them. I keep seeing $400 a week being some sort of cap on the cash you can remove from the "revenue sharing" portion of the program but I'm still trying to find the math behind that number. It looks like the deck here is very stacked in favor of the big e-mail list recruiters as the commissions they earn are in addition to the rev share. I predict we'll be seeing more "programs" incorporating many of these provisions, while it might be less attractive to the quick hitter type player the heavy promoters can rake in the long green. And from a marketing perspective the "expatriate" angle is very clever.

[laidback]

I'm sorry if I was less than clear okosh. The 80/20 rule isn't a recent invention, it's been in place for as long as I'm able to tell. This is an interestingly designed program, previous programs have had "cut and run" penalties to inhibit wholesale cashouts but C-A may well just prohibit them. I keep seeing $400 a week being some sort of cap on the cash you can remove from the "revenue sharing" portion of the program but I'm still trying to find the math behind that number. It looks like the deck here is very stacked in favor of the big e-mail list recruiters as the commissions they earn are in addition to the rev share. I predict we'll be seeing more "programs" incorporating many of these provisions, while it might be less attractive to the quick hitter type player the heavy promoters can rake in the long green. And from a marketing perspective the "expatriate" angle is very clever.

It never cease to amaze me that many can't or don't want to see that any legitimate business does not need an ever-increasing influx of new members to continue existence. Things like the 80/20 rule and pleadings by admins and pimps for more members are MAJOR red flags to any sane person.

[GlimDropper]

More Ponzi Pitch Prattle from the Prince of Pimps:


Ken (DRdave) Russo on talkgold (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4161498&postcount=625):


<Snip>
More Ways To Prove Club Asteria Is Legal

In the past I have posted ways to verify that Club Asteria is a legitimate and legal company. In late December Club Asteria posted a copy of their original U.S. incorporation certificate on their website. This is a matter of public record so it can easily be verified if you choose.

They are also in the process of incorporating in other regions of the world. By incorporating in many other regions they will be able to then open bank accounts in those areas. That will facilitate an improved currency exchange which will help all members in those areas. Club Asteria has already incorporated and then established bank accounts in Asia and other parts of the world.

Just a few days ago they emailed all U.S. members that earned $600 or more asking them to verify their social security numbers and addresses. The purpose of this is to comply with U.S. laws and send 1099 forms to these members. Scam companies and those that are hiding in virtual offshore companies do not ever adhere to these laws.

In summary, we have been able to give another very positive progress report. If you have not done so already, please visit the Club Asteria website right away to research the opportunity in detail.
[Bolding Mine]

So, all a company needs to do to prove it's 100% legal is to file for incorporation? Someone go dig up Ken Lay and have his convictions overturned, Enron filed articles of incorporation so it couldn't have been acting illegally, could it?

And many, if not most scammy little ponzi schemes send 1099s to US members earning over $600. It's the slenderest of fig leaves used to pretend toward legitimacy. And it keeps one additional criminal charge from being leveled against them.

Keep spreading the manure Ken, it keeps your garden growing.

[laidback]

More Ponzi Pitch Prattle from the Prince of Pimps:


Ken (DRdave) Russo on talkgold (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4161498&postcount=625):


[Bolding Mine]

So, all a company needs to do to prove it's 100% legal is to file for incorporation? Someone go dig up Ken Lay and have his convictions overturned, Enron filed articles of incorporation so it couldn't have been acting illegally, could it?

And many, if not most scammy little ponzi schemes send 1099s to US members earning over $600. It's the slenderest of fig leaves used to pretend toward legitimacy. And it keeps one additional criminal charge from being leveled against them.

Keep spreading the manure Ken, it keeps your garden growing.
The Virginia entity search wbsite is crippled today for maintenance but why under Asteria Corporation are there two terrminated companies?
1: 0705668-2 ASTERIA CORPORATION TERMINATED 11/02/09
2: 0715634-2 ASTERIA CORPORATION TERMINATED 05/04/10
3: 0724213-4 ASTERIA CORPORATION ACTIVE 06/08/10

[GlimDropper]

The Virginia entity search wbsite is crippled today for maintenance but why under Asteria Corporation are there two terrminated companies?
1: 0705668-2 ASTERIA CORPORATION TERMINATED 11/02/09
2: 0715634-2 ASTERIA CORPORATION TERMINATED 05/04/10
3: 0724213-4 ASTERIA CORPORATION ACTIVE 06/08/10


I'm glad Virginia is working on that website, it's been nearly dysfunctional for days. I did see the two terminations but couldn't find anything on them. It is interesting that of the two buisness addresses they list, one was a UPS store (so the suite number was really a box number) and the other is a company that rents out office space. The rent-an-office address is on the aptly named Old Gallows Road, I just love foreshadowing.

[EagleOne]

A little trip down memory lane seems to be in order right about now for what is happening in Club Asteria.

I have found it interesting that the very same access to the website issues Club Asteria is experiencing were the same ones ASD had in June and July before the feds raided on August 1. The same excuses given for ASD's slow website access are the same excuses being given for Club Asteria. These being: they are growing too fast and cannot keep up, and they are moving to new servers to handle the increased load.

If the feds had not raided the first of August, ASD would have collapsed on its own by the end of August or at the latest mid-September. There was no way they could continue paying everyone because the number of new people joining had to double their current rate of signups. Even if they could have accomplished that feat, it would have delayed the inevitable only until October/November.

The bigger these programs get the greater the number of new signups needed to keep the pyramid going. As with all pyramid's, the greater increasing number of people needed to keep it going cannot be achieved and it all collapses. At their current rate of growth, this will be lucky to last through February.

[GlimDropper]

I'm trying to remember the particulars of Ad Surf Daily's comp plan, I ~believe~ it promised to return 120% of your money in period of time that was deliberately ambiguous (for legal reasons) but was more or less understood to be 120 days. And if I recall correctly you could in theory cash out your account if not at will but at least during any given week. I invite any correction on the above.

C-A has a much tighter hold on peoples money. The 80/20 rule, that you must reinvest 80% of your "asterio" balance each week and can only cash out 20%. I still haven't found a complete written description of C-A's pay plan but one of their big promoters did make this spreadsheet (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApHEnQhacORcdExXQlNGVXNIOXhpMWRPeHVhVmUza 3c&hl=en#gid=0) with a few of the numbers. A "gold" member pays in $19.95 a month and with the 80/20 plan and assuming a 7% per week "revenue share" it will be some point in month 11 before that member breaks even.

Now there are many generous bonuses for recruiting fresh money, er. people into the program and those "commissions" are in addition to the "revenue share." You get $4.50 each month for every paying "silver" member you recruit and $9 each month for every gold. You also get 10% of any cash purchase of "asterios" one of your recruits makes. Then you can add in any other bonuses you get from buying a "directorship." In theory the most you can earn from C-A as a totally "passive" (i.e. non recruiting) member is $400 a week (presuming a 10% weekly rev share) but it isn't too hard to make far more than that from various commissions if you recruit broadly enough.

That's another thing that shows me this is a more mature form of ponzi scam, it's harder for basic members to break even than in ASD and at the same time it's easier for the Ken Russo's of the world not only to profit but to profit similarly off of a smaller investment. And the marketing is spot on, all the "expat" and remissions pitch really opens this scam up to the portions of the internet to whom English is not their first language. I can't imagine a cash gifting idiot like Hank Needham figured these angles by himself, I think he's only the "public" face behind Andrea. I think someone smart enough to stack this program is smart enough not to have their name tied to it. I hope someone with the proper authority will examine the transactions in and out of the following account:


Wachovia Bank
Belmont Greene Financial Center
42995 Eastern Kingbird Plaza VA 9308
Ashburn, VA 20147

Bank account number: 2000043061897
Bank routing number: 051400549

[littleroundman]

I think there's one very important point which needs to be remembered here.

"IF", and I do mean "IF" Club Asteria were a legitimate business, then all the talk of compensation plans might have at least some relevance.

However, the AdSurfDaily experience has shown it is highly unlikely that any of what's being claimed by CA and its' shills is in any way accurate.

It's an online HYIP ponzi game and no more "real" than Eve or World of Warcraft or Counter Strike.

Even previously committed AdSurf Daily "members" have been absolutely shocked to discover their whole experience was nothing more than a sham.

There is no "profit sharing"

There are no rules saying that the top earners receive a set amount.

The insiders skim off as much as they can as often as they can.

That, dear friends, is how modern day HYIP ponzi games work.

Take notice of history.

Notice how much money the "insiders" in PIPS, and CEP and ASD took out.

See the commissions "Matt Gagnon" and "Mazu" took out of the "Legisi" HYIP ponzi scam as "commission" (HINT: think in the millions)

These are not just a couple of "good ol' boys" (and girls) playing a harmless game,

These are serial fraudsters and, as the title of the book says it all comes down to nothing but "Numbers on a Screen"

[EagleOne]

GlimDropper: You are almost correct, it was 125% initially and then later they had 150% matching bonuses for certain rallies they held.

I was just focusing on the website and server issues that are almost identical for both, the same excuses being given for both, and the problems with the number of particpants that is required after they hit the 100,000 member mark.

But you are correct as to the 'differences' in both programs from the payment aspect.

[okosh]

Actually it was 150%....Plus 10% reff commission and 5% for level 2 reff commission....


1. Earn 150% commission for Surfing.
2. Daily Pay Outs – Pay within 24 hrs. of cashout request.
3. Unlimited daily earnings.
4. Stable Commissions.
5. Sustainable - Our innovative commission payout system allows the company to be stable and endure.
6. 60% of all ad fees are paid out in commissions for surfing.
Asdcashgenerator - Asdcashgenerator.com (merged) - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=197297&highlight=AdSurfDaily)

[EagleOne]

Thanks to Jungle Hunter from TG comes this news about Andrea:

Foreclosure Details:

Case Number: 2008-00522
File Date: 1/7/08
Property Type: Single Family
Propery Information
Address: 337 NE 20th Terrace
Cape Coral, FL 33909
Loan Balance: $286157.76
Equity: $-76747.76
Plaintiff Information
Name: Washington Mutual Bank FA
Attorney: Bouavone Amphone (954) 453-0365
Defendant Information
Name: Andrea R Lucas
Build this 1400 sf BLUERIDGE LOG HOME with GARAGE on your lot for only $58,413!
Take Over Assignable Contract
Current Price $99,000 if purchased from the manufacturer The Original Log Cabin Homes Ltd $40,587 SAVINGS!

FOR DETAILS ON THIS INCREDIBLE OFFER CONTACT ANDREA LUCAS AT andrea@celeracorp.com or enter your information below and I will get in touch with You :RpS_ohmy:

Guess all those years at the World Bank didn't stick. Can't wait to see how the faithful try to spin this one! :RpS_laugh:

[littleroundman]

andrea@celeracorp.com ????

Surely that cannot be the same Andrea R Lucas

THIS Celera Corporation ????https://www.celera.com/celera/about

I wonder what the good folks at Celera think about having the NASDAQ listed name of their healthcare business associated with an online ponzi scam such as Club Asteria ????

Maybe some concerned citizens might like to contact the Celera Head office and voice their concerns:

Principal Offices:
Celera Alameda
1401 Harbor Bay Parkway
Alameda, CA 94502-7070
Phone: (510) 749-4200

or one of their branches:

Celera – Rockville
45 West Gude Drive
Rockville, MD 20850
240-453-3000

Celera – South San Francisco
884 Dubuque Avenue
South San Francisco, CA 94080
650-873-1814

Berkeley HeartLab, Inc.(Marina Village)
960 Atlantic Avenue
Alameda, CA 94501
510-747-1740

Berkeley HeartLab, Inc.
839 Mitten Road
Burlingame, CA 94010
650-651-0040

[okosh]

Thanks to Jungle Hunter from TG comes this news about Andrea:
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The bottom part seems to be a little bit muddled so here is the original....


2010-07-25 - Log Home Contract for Sale - andrea@celeracorp.com
Build 1400 sf Blueridge Log Home with Garage on your lot for only $58,413. Take over assignable Lay-A-Way Contract for log home package; seller cannot build due to medical reasons. Current Price $99,000 if purchased from manufacturer
Log World: Classified Ads (http://www.log-world.com/classified_ads.php)

[Eddie Haskell]

It wont be long now. This scam has let it mouth overload its check book like they all do. Its days like these I wish I was not banned at the Talk Gold Crime forum. I wonder what is next for criminal Ken.

[laidback]

andrea@celeracorp.com ????

Surely that cannot be the same Andrea R Lucas

THIS Celera Corporation ????https://www.celera.com/celera/about

I wonder what the good folks at Celera think about having the NASDAQ listed name of their healthcare business associated with an online ponzi scam such as Club Asteria ????

Maybe some concerned citizens might like to contact the Celera Head office and voice their concerns:

Principal Offices:
Celera Alameda
1401 Harbor Bay Parkway
Alameda, CA 94502-7070
Phone: (510) 749-4200

or one of their branches:

Celera – Rockville
45 West Gude Drive
Rockville, MD 20850
240-453-3000

Celera – South San Francisco
884 Dubuque Avenue
South San Francisco, CA 94080
650-873-1814

Berkeley HeartLab, Inc.(Marina Village)
960 Atlantic Avenue
Alameda, CA 94501
510-747-1740

Berkeley HeartLab, Inc.
839 Mitten Road
Burlingame, CA 94010
650-651-0040

I'm thinking it's more Web hosting provider - Bluehost.com - domain hosting - PHP Hosting - cheap web hosting - Frontpage Hosting E-Commerce Web Hosting Bluehost (http://www.celeracorp.com) , a hosting company.

[GlimDropper]

I think the "Celera" in question is celera.gocrb.com (http://celera.gocrb.com/about-us-contact-us/).


What makes
one credit company
BETTER
than another?

About Credit Restoration brokers, LLC

credit restoration brokers, llc CEO and owner has been in the credit industry for over 15 years. The company has been at its current office location since 2002. When you’re dealing with credit restoration brokers, llc you can have confidence, not only in our credit experts and services, but that the company is contracted with one of the leading credit law firms in the country.

credit restoration brokers, llc uses every tool possible to help improve your credit profile. We correspond with the bureaus, creditors, collectors, their legal departments and States Attorney General. Additionally, credit restoration brokers, llc may send affidavits, cease and desist letters, and use legal stipulations which can legally force the removal of prior late payments, charge offs and collections from a credit report.

Here are some further credentials that separate us from the others:

* The only restoration company in the state of Florida that is licensed to teach continuing education for mortgage loan officers and real estate agents.
* The only credit restoration company that is licensed by the state of Florida Department of Business and Professional regulations of real estate as an approved continuing education course provider.
* The only credit restoration company that is a member of the Association of Family Law Professionals and the Association of Family Conciliation Courts—we work with divorce lawyers
* Member of the Better Business Bureau
* Member of the National Association of Mortgage Brokers
* Member of the BIA (Building Industry Association)

We serve clients in all 50 states!

44050 Ashburn Shopping Plaza, Suite 609, Ashburn, VA 20147

Tel: 703-201-9734, Fax: 703-832-0772, Email: andrea@celeracorp.comThe phone number lines up with this Realtor page (http://activerain.com/alucasrose):

Andrea Lucas

My Profile (http://activerain.com/alucasrose)
My Blog (http://activerain.com/blogs/alucasrose)



Associates

Associates (http://activerain.com/associates/alucasrose)





Points Summary (http://activerain.com/action/agents/show_score/alucasrose)



Home (http://activerain.com/) : Virginia (http://activerain.com/states/VA) : Loudoun County (http://activerain.com/states/VA/counties/Loudoun%20County) : Ashburn (http://activerain.com/states/VA/cities/Ashburn) : Andrea Lucas 121



400 Points (http://activerain.com/action/agents/show_score/alucasrose)

NameAndrea LucasCompanyKeller WilliamsOffice Phone(703) 859-6899Cell Phone(703) 859-6899Alt. Phone(703) 201-9734Fax(703) 832-0772

The formatting on that went tits up but that's our Andrea, former Realtor former Debt counseling specialist.

Hmm, more number to check.,...

Her Virginia real estate license is still valid:


Real Estate Individual License INDIVIDUAL NAME:LUCAS, ANDREA R LICENSE TYPE:SALESMAN LICENSE NO:0225185404 LICENSE STATUS:ACTIVE CITY, STATE: ASHBURN, VA INITIAL CERTIFICATION DATE:NOVEMBER 09, 2007 EXPIRATION DATE: NOVEMBER 30, 2011 BUSINESS NAME:PROFESSIONAL REALTY SERVICES LLC TRADE NAME:KELLER WILLIAMS REALTY FIRM LICENSE NO:0226007362No complaints on file.

Back on that celera link, note it's a sub domain off of gocrb.com, the owners of that domain are Credit Restoration Brokers LLC of Fort Myers Florida. It appears Andrea's "Celera" was her affiliate marketing website when she was working for their service. How good is that service, well it's a lot better now than before the FTC landed on them (http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0823001/index.shtm). The FTC's news release (http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2010/03/creditrest.shtm) reads in part:


For Release: 03/18/2010
Promoter of Credit Repair, Debt Relief Services to Settle FTC Charges

A promoter of credit repair and debt relief services has agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission charges that he deceived consumers into paying thousands of dollars based on false promises that he could help solve their credit and debt problems.


According to the FTC, the promoter falsely told consumers he could improve their credit reports by removing negative information such as judgments, foreclosures, tax liens, bankruptcies, repossessions, and child support delinquencies, from the reports regardless of how old or accurate the information is. The FTC’s complaint also alleged that he and his lawyer falsely told consumer reporting agencies, as a reason to dispute negative items, that consumers were identity theft victims.


The FTC complaint charged that the marketer, Sam Tarad Sky, and his companies illegally charged consumers up to $2,199 before performing any services and failed to tell customers they could cancel the contract within three business days. He also falsely told consumers who bought debt relief services that they could satisfy their debt by paying much less than the full amount owed, such as 30 cents on the dollar.
No wonder Adrea needed a new gig.


And the next time you find yourself needing a $30 bottle of fruit juice, go to this page (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CDoQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fasteria.mandurarep.com%2Fb_contac t.php&ei=As5ATc_8CcjYgAerlrnRAg&usg=AFQjCNEZ5v0VDhwPLWgR6UUTMeJbTyXEfw) and Andrea can hook you up with some Mandura.

[GlimDropper]

BUSTED:

In all the time I've had to look at Andrea and Club Asteria the thought I had in the back of my mind is that she was just a "face", none of her previous employment history had any ties to the online fraud world (unlike Hank Needham for example). But I just found what I sincerely believe is Andrea Lucas's Ad View Global capture page.

The real link (http://life-script.com/Advertising/)

The WebSite.org link (http://www.webcitation.org/5w2UWkfYx) (in case the real one goes poofers)

Her member number was 3094, if I recall correctly AVG went tits up at better than 20,000 members so while not an early adopter she still had time to be in profit. And this would seem to be solid verification that Club Asteria isn't Adrea's first ride on the ponzi pony.

[EagleOne]

I also think she was in ASD with Hank Needham. Hank was a big promoter of ASD. If she wasn't on the same level as Hank she would have been in his downline.

So many things are similar to ASD that I figured there had to be some connection. Great find.

[EagleOne]

The above info should be posted at TG. Only problem is it would probably get deleted and the poster getting a warning or banned.

[okosh]

The above info should be posted at TG. Only problem is it would probably get deleted and the poster getting a warning or banned.

You're welcome :RpS_wink:
Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum - View Single Post - Club Asteria - club-asteria.com (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4173812&postcount=756)

[GlimDropper]

And a special thank you to you too for posting that okosh. :RpS_smile:

That life-script site is a little interesting because it just displays as a directory (link (http://www.life-script.com/)), The "Hank" directory is just a prototype of the E-Book store on the Club-Astreia site. I have some questions about the GulfCoast/ (http://www.life-script.com/GulfCoast/) and GCRInvitation/ (http://www.life-script.com/GCRInvitation/) directories. I'm more familiar with get rich quick pitches than with real estate investment opportunities so the degree of overlap here has me a little stumped. The person behind the offers seems to be Patrick J Hutton and I do find his name mentioned in a Rip-Off Report (http://www.ripoffreport.com/tv-advertisements/russ-whitney-edutrad/russ-whitney-edutrades-whitn-48nn3.htm) as an "instructor" at a Russ Whitney seminar which does throw up some potential red flags. Whitney was one of the more egregious get rich quick seminar salesmen who danced a little too far past the line of legality a little too often that he had to remove his name from his organization and replace it with Robert Kiyosaki. So when I see pages on Adrea's site like this one (http://www.life-script.com/GCRInvitation/NewDirection.html) and this one (http://www.life-script.com/GCRInvitation/dnszones/GovernmentFundsAvailable.html) I have a hard time knowing if it's bad copy writing or a questionable offer. The involvement of Mr.Needham could explain the bad page design and ad copy but if Mr.Hutton worked for Russ Whitney I can't discount the possibility that this was just another bad seminar pitch. Anyone with more interest and expertise who takes a look at this has my thanks.

[littleroundman]

This is the bit where the line needs to be drawn.

Quite frankly, I couldn't give a damn WHAT the HYIP ponzi players do with their time and their money.

Neither do I care one iota about the existence of Talkgold and whether or not they ban naysayers.

HOWEVER,

this is now not just a simple case of a few good ol' boys having a quiet gamble on the side,

this is now down and out fraud of the lowest order., and THIS is what keeps me angry enough to do something about it

This today from "Club Asteria" management:


DONATIONS BY MEMBERS IN 2010

At the end of 2010 the members of Club Asteria had the wonderful opportunity through their Club to make positive contributions to some of the world’s neediest causes. Andrea Lucas, Managing Director, announced that at the end of December, in addition to the Club’s philanthropic programs, 9 other organizations were selected in order to support them in their goals to make the world a better place. Club Asteria contributed over $50,000 to partner with or contribute to the Grameen Foundation, World Concern, Heifer International, Living Earth Institute, Opportunity Now, Kiva, Gospel for Asia, Water Aid and World Vision. All of these organizations share the goals of Club Asteria to help eliminate the cycle of poverty that inhibits a large portion of our population from being able to enjoy the abundances of life.

At Club Asteria we are so humbled and inspired by our members’ desire and intent to follow through on our mission and vision to contribute to these organizations and their worthwhile causes. These contributions served families in India, Thailand, the Philippines, Cambodia, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Peru, Brazil, Mexico, Kenya, Somalia, Ghana, Nepal, Tanzania, Russia, Romania, Ukraine and so many other parts of the world.

Through our micro-finance/micro-credit program we were able to fund dozens of entrepreneurs who now have the ability to expand or start their own businesses with the micro loans they received. These individuals will be able to buy cloth, inventory for their stores, seed, fertilizer, farming equipment, animals and food products, and make repairs to their transportation equipment and so many other things that will fund their business enterprises. We also contributed several dozen sewing machines to women entrepreneurs to give them an opportunity to earn a livelihood for their families by making clothes. These sewing machines will not only put clothes on the backs of their children but for a lifetime put food on their family’s table as well.

In addition to the micro-loans our members made significant contributions to the ownership of animals which play a crucial role in many people’s lives throughout the world. These animals provide sustenance and produce income when their milk, cheese, butter, eggs or offspring are sold. These animals change the lives of each family that is fortunate to receive a gift such as this. At the end of 2010 we had the opportunity to donate camels, pigs, cows, chickens, water buffalos and goats to make a difference in so many families’ lives. These animals are breathing sources of income for the poor and what is even better, is that when they reproduce the offspring can be given to additional families to assist even more people so that the donation and gift keeps on giving. Our contributions included not just the gift of the animals but also the gift of learning how to keep their animals safe and productive.

One of our most important goals at Club Asteria is the vision that everyone in the world should have access to clean, safe water and sanitary facilities. This is the basis for health, education and successful livelihood. We contributed to the construction of machine drilled deep fresh water wells for villages in Kenya and Somalia so as to provide clean drinking water. These villages lacked facilities for clean drinking water and the women were forced to walk many miles to collect water from polluted ponds and streams. The wells will improve the health of entire communities and allow the women to do other jobs and spend more time taking care of their children. In addition we contributed towards a rainwater harvesting tank that, when completed, will serve over 1000 people in Tanzania with fresh water.

We were also able to make significant donations by helping provide clothing, supplies and nutrition for children so that they could attend school to have the opportunity to reach their full potential.

Through these many programs and the organizations that we supported our mission is to transform lives through these educational programs, micro-loans, agricultural programs, stockyard animals and in providing nutrition and safe water to live a good life.

As we are now entering 2011 our mission continues. Our members are even more inspired and motivated to provide the underserved families of the world with the help they need. Through Club Asteria we provide opportunity where before there was none. We give people the tools, education and knowledge of how to create a better life for themselves and their families. Our vision and mission continues with the responsibility of knowing that if we don’t do something to help these people, who will?

[littleroundman]

So when I see pages on Adrea's site like this one (http://www.life-script.com/GCRInvitation/NewDirection.html) and this one (http://www.life-script.com/GCRInvitation/dnszones/GovernmentFundsAvailable.html) I have a hard time knowing if it's bad copy writing or a questionable offer.

It's also interesting that the "contact us" website address given on both those pages for http://www.gcrevital.com/ produces:


Server not found
Firefox can't find the server at www.gcrevital.com (http://www.gcrevital.com).

[laidback]

This is the bit where the line needs to be drawn.

Quite frankly, I couldn't give a damn WHAT the HYIP ponzi players do with their time and their money.

Neither do I care one iota about the existence of Talkgold and whether or not they ban naysayers.

HOWEVER,

this is now not just a simple case of a few good ol' boys having a quiet gamble on the side,

this is now down and out fraud of the lowest order., and THIS is what keeps me angry enough to do something about it

This today from "Club Asteria" management:

That crapola is intended to give the members the warm fuzzies and help them overlook the fact that they are participating in an illegal ponzi. It also gives them the BS argument that scambusters trying to take them down have no heart...!

[EagleOne]

What was truly appalling to me was in this 'goody two-shoes" update not one verifiable reference was made to confirm all these "good works." Where's the names of the "entrepreneurs" they helped fund and when? Where are the names of the cities/towns/villages where these wells were dug and when? Where was all those clothes, etc. sent and when? One would think with all these good works they would have pictures on their website, and stories detailing all these good works. Yet not one picture or story to be found about them.

What is even more incredulous is that not one of the members is asking for the proof. One twit on MMG actually thanked CA for providing "free money." Incredible.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out they solicited the database of ASD members since copies were sold to the highest bidder by Andy.

[EagleOne]

LRM: You mean you don't care that I got banned at TG? I'm crushed! :RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

[EagleOne]

You're welcome :RpS_wink:
Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum - View Single Post - Club Asteria - club-asteria.com (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4173812&postcount=756)

Too funny! Thanks and that should really have ticked them off! :RpS_laugh::RpS_laugh:

[GlimDropper]

Club-Asteria isn't even the first ponzi scheme that Andrea has helped Hank with, MyCashExchange came first.

Here is Andrea explaining MCE in her own words (http://www.life-script.com/MCE/MCETake1/ImpactWebAudio.swf). And an archived copy of the MCE website from May of 2006 (http://web.archive.org/web/20060516141450/http://www.mycashexchange.com/) reads in part:


EARN up to 2.5% COMPOUNDED DAILY
Funding is never paid to MCE, only to introducing members. MEMBERS RECEIVE 95% of each transfer
$25 Gift of Advertising Credits
to each new joining member

Your Free Gift will generate you an immediate income in your first month
and will continue to increase at a compounding rate every month thereafter.
YOU CAN TRANSFER YOUR COMMISSIONS INTO CASH AT ANY TIME.
CLICK HERE to VIEW YOUR MONTHLY INCOME POTENTIAL (http://web.archive.org/web/20060516141450/http://www.mycashexchange.com/#table1)The Internet Archive lists the last site update for MCE as July of 2008. MCE uses anonymous registration but good old Hank is quick to brag of his program. On one of his Cumuda gifting spiels (http://www.cumada.com/?ref=gifting) he says of himself:



QUICK STORY ABOUT YOUR POWER TEAM

.
















We have been promoting on the Internet since 1998 and have created some of the most active web sites in the world - FreeAutobot.com, MyCashExchange.com, Cumada.com ProsperityTeamInternational.com and others. We have always been strong leaders and entrepreneurs at heart. We have never know anything other than success on the net. However, we have seen many individuals suffer for reasons of incorrect marketing techniques.And on his "better" networking profile (http://www.betternetworker.com/members/hank_needham) he lists MCE as his website:


Hank Needham

Successfull Online Promotor & Coach

Company: HankNeedham
Industry: Business Opportunities
Experience: Veteran (3+ years)

My Web Sites
http://www.hankneedham.com (http://www.hankneedham.com/)
http://www.cumada.com (http://www.cumada.com/)
http://freeautobot.com (http://freeautobot.com/)
http://www.mycashexchange.com (http://www.mycashexchange.com/)So Hank and Andrea have been promoting ponzi schemes together for a number of years now.

[GlimDropper]

And that mention of "Prosperity team International" cleared up another small mystery, Hank is fond of using the initials PTI a lot. So that's what PTI stands for and here's an archived copy (http://web.archive.org/web/20061108134703/http://prosperityteaminternational.com/) of the site with the suitable headline:


You can make an EXTRA $250 - $1000 per day
by SHOWING YOUR SITE HERE and getting others to do the same!
"PTI has shown me How to Build a Successful Sales Team and MAKE MONEY on the NET.
I now EASILY find, train and sell to my NEW PROSPECTS. PTI is simply "the Best".
VISIT my links BELOW, I am keen to work and help get you started making money RIGHT NOW!
When you join PTI, you will be able to change the above adverts to whatever you want.
WATCH the Pre-Recorded Presentation, read through this site and JOIN MY TEAM TODAY!"

It's worth clicking around that site, scamolicious. One aspect of C-A's profit share I didn't recall seeing before is the allocation based on your ownership of ponzi funny money (in this case Asterios), it seems that PTI was a forerunner of this plan (http://web.archive.org/web/20070207055128/www.prosperityteaminternational.com/index.php?pg=OXcentral):


PTI Profit Sharing. All profits from PAS sales will be shared between each active Ad Pack equally. The more Ad Pack credits that you own, the more money you will receive. All PAS Profits will be paid as soon as funds are cleared.
Therefore, if during the first three months you have purchased 7 Ad Packs and throughout PTI there were 100 Ad Packs sold in total, and we made a PAS Premier sale, then $3000 would be available for distribution. This would equal $210 to yourself. If another sale was made the following day, you would receive another $210 and so on. If you no longer wanted to purchase / accumulate any Ad Packs you would still receive your percentage based on the 7 Ad Packs that you already own for a total of 180 days.

[EagleOne]

Great finds GlimDropper. I know there is more out there, just have this feeling about it. Only time will tell if I am right or not.

[laidback]

The Club Hysteria thread at TG is fun to read. JH is handing the lamebrains their heads. Any bets they are trying to trump up a charge to ban him?

Club Asteria - club-asteria.com - Page 77 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4174890#post4174890)

[okosh]

And a special thank you to you too for posting that okosh. :RpS_smile:


Always happy to help out any way I can :RpS_wink:

[littleroundman]

LRM: You mean you don't care that I got banned at TG? I'm crushed! :RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

HeHeHe,

I'd say if being banned from Talkgold is the worst thing that happens to you in 2011, then you're in for a bloody good year.

[GlimDropper]

Needham Notes:

Not all too much of this is all that interesting but I'm posting it to keep anyone else from needing to redo any of the same digging. All told, after someone convicts Hank and locks him up for a very long time, I want to be his pen pal. He must know more of the back stories on many of the early internet scams than most anyone I know.

1999:

Two websites, mailtrail.com (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.mailtrail.com) and Caltek.com (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.caltek.com) (the links are to archive.org indexes for the sites). Mail Trial was an early auto responder system which seems to have had some commercial viability. It also had an affiliate program (http://web.archive.org/web/20000706194128/mailtrail.com/member/page.cgi?id=&page=referral.htm) which by today's standards is pretty squeaky clean but it does show Hank's exuberance with numbers:


Referral Program & Income Calculator
GET OTHERS TO MAKE MONEY FOR YOU

FREE TO JOIN!

HOW?
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In April of 06 the site changes to a capture page for MyCashExchange and seems to go dark in December of 07.

Caltek.com is a bit more convoluted. It starts in January of 1999 as the website of Axicom Communications Group and it doesn't seem that Hank was involved. But the domain seems to have changed and in September of 02 (http://web.archive.org/web/20020921164922/http://caltek.com/) it begins hawking something called a "Heart Bar." While I somehow doubt, as Hank claimed the Heart Bar was both safe and effective in treating "cardiovascular disease" it's an ironic note, this was probably the best investment opportunity he ever promoted. United Therapeutics (NASDAQ UTHR), makers of the heart bar were selling for about $6 a share back them, it's close to $70 a share now and split 2 for 1 in that time.

In November of 02 Hank starts selling a "No Money Down (http://web.archive.org/web/20021120131830/http://caltek.com/)" real estate investing seminar on CDs. I don't know what the real estate market in the UK is like but on this side of the pond "no money down" is the mating call of the North American seminar scam artist. But did Hank's seminar (on CDs) have an affiliate program, you betcha (http://web.archive.org/web/20030613013027/caltek.com/cdreps.htm). Hank's No Cash Down site had a good run, all the way to September of 05 when Caltek.com transforms it's self into Surf City.

September of 2005 Hank Needham begins promoting ponzi schemes in earnest. Starting with Studio Traffic (http://web.archive.org/web/20050929173011/http://caltek.com/) (user name: Hanee). By December Studio Traffic is still being pimped but MutualAutoSurf.com (ref:51472) and Fortune500Surf.com (ref:1041) are added (http://web.archive.org/web/20051212145321/http://www.caltek.com/).

I'm tempted to think the Christmas blahs hurt Surf programs then as it does now because January of 06 finds caltek.com being used to sell a 1992 TOTOYA HILUX (http://web.archive.org/web/20060116063729/http://www.caltek.com/) (and that's how he spelled it). February saw a return to the surf scene (http://web.archive.org/web/20060207093129/http://www.caltek.com/) with the classic 12DailyPro (ref:54037) and one I'd never heard of before, PixMeUp (user name: Hanee). It also saw his first mention of another of his sites, FreeAutoBot.com. April and May of 06 the surfs are gone and it's just a pitch for free autobot.

June 06 coincides with the launch on Hank's own surf ponzi MyCashExchange.com so he stops advertising his competitors and caltek.com starts selling some sort of ATM card (http://web.archive.org/web/20060615002445/http://www.caltek.com/) you can transfer E-Gold into cash with "anonymously." Just by happy coincidence you can launder your MCE "advertising credits" ($AC) with the same card. It's fairly plain he didn't stop playing other ponzis, he just didn't advertise them on his site.

August of 06 starts a major blitz of selling the Prosperity Automated Systems (PAS). If you bought into Hanks downline he'd accept $AC's for half of your buy in fee. Such a generous guy with his own funny money. About this time he debuts the term "ProTeamInternational" as the predecessor of his "Prosperity Team International," Hank knows one of the key's to marketing greatness is branding. The PAS system is still being actively flogged at least through November (and perhaps into December, Archive.org is a bit glitchy tonight) which I find just a wee bit ironic. Because in September of that year SEC began litigation (http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2006/lr19848.htm) shutting Prosperity Automated Systems down. I guess it took a while for Hank to hear the news.

From January 07 on Caltek was just used to sell MCE and as a sign up page for Hank Needham's newsletter of "proven" money making programs. Now it just redirects to camuda.com.

OK, that's Needham Notes for this evening. He has more URLs and one of these days I'll have more time.

[Next time on Needham Notes: The name Club Asteria is his invention. Look at the banner on his PTIPower.com site (http://web.archive.org/web/20071229145837/http://ptipower.com/) from December of 07.]

[littleroundman]

Not all too much of this is all that interesting but I'm posting it to keep anyone else from needing to redo any of the same digging.

That's one thing we can disagree about.

I find it not only interesting, but fascinating.

None of these online frauds consist of a single untruth.

Much like an onion, they are layer upon layer of separate but interlinked skins.

I truly believe that the secret to bringing the worst of these fraudsters to justice lies in the ability of like minded individuals carefully peeling apart those layers, then providing the gathered information in usable fashion to someone who CAN prosecute.

Simpler said than done, I know, but I CAN forsee the day when a focused group of individuals can cultivate such a mutually beneficial relationship with one of the LE agencies.

[okosh]

GAME OVER!!!!....This one is all but done....

On the down side this usually means that the Feds are sleeping and that the scammers behind this one will get away with it :RpS_sad:

The latest update....


Withdrawals
Requests for withdrawals from your Cash Balance will be conducted in a timely manner. Please allow up to 10 business days for processing and receipt of your money. This depends upon your chosen method of withdrawal. There will not be any withdrawal requests processed on Saturday, Sunday or Holidays. We only process withdrawals in excess of $25.

You need to request withdrawals from your account on CLUB-ASTERIA's website.

[littleroundman]

I suppose the upside, if there is one, is that this one hasn't been running long enough to have taken in any serious money or roped in many non HYIP ponzi players.

It's as likely that Club Asteria has 100,000 members as it is that TheExtortionBuster has a Degree in economics.

[okosh]

I suppose the upside, if there is one, is that this one hasn't been running long enough to have taken in any serious money or roped in many non HYIP ponzi players.

It's as likely that Club Asteria has 100,000 members as it is that TheExtortionBuster has a Degree in economics.

I have to disagree with that point....
If you visit the "view all users" page there are just so many from places like Asia and India...This one spread like wild fire through those parts and this would have introduced a whole lot of newbs to the scam scene....
One can only hope the newbs lost money here and then maybe they will make this one their first and last scam....

As for the 100,000 members well that is real....What they don't tell you is how many of the 100,000 actually deposited money....I'm guessing that number is much less...
Even if it's only half that deposited that makes this one big by today's standards....

I wish it just close up and not drag on like it plans to....
Ken Russo posted that his newest sucker is "ID 110252"....
Hit the sign up button in a week or a month and I'll bet that number continues to rise as even more get suckered into this one even though they have zero chance of making profit....

[littleroundman]

Consider me corrected.

Having said that, I STILL don't think it's possible for Buster to have anything but a degree in "stupid"

[GlimDropper]

The weekly "commission" is down to 6.25% which means, if I can trust the spreadsheet on one of Hank's sites, it would take 53 weeks for a new gold member to brake even in C-A. Which also means someone with 20,000 Asterios is now only earning $250/week. When it was "sustaining" 10% payouts the break even point was 33 only weeks. They're even capping Network Directors at $25,000 a month (plus their standard rev share). I wonder how many "Directors" will be affected by the limits? My guess is very few if not none, anyone with enough of a downline to bring in that level of commissions probably has side deals in place so isn't really on the books so to speak anyway.

One point from the latest news release I don't quite understand however:

In addition, the matching bonus has been a wonderful blessing and gift to all of us, but it creates a burden in being able to keep up the high percentage of revenue sharing. We are happy to confirm that the 100% matching bonus for sales of $250 and above will continue throughout the month of February. Effective immediately there will be a maximum of 3000 Asterios in total matching bonus that a member can receive. On March 1st, we will be announcing any other changes to the matching bonus based on a thorough study of its benefits and costs.


If I'm reading that right it means that no (non director) member has any motive for spending more than $1,500 for Asterios outside of their monthly fee. it strikes me funny that they'd deprive anyone of an excuse to hand them cash. Unless,.....Hmmm. At the current 6.25% if you join at $20/month and buy 3,000 asterios (for $1,500 in week 1) you actually start taking more money out of the system than you put in at week 24. So they do go into deficit on you 31 weeks sooner. But the way the numbers work if you bought 5,000 asterios ($2,500) the break even date is in week 17, is that enough of a difference to justify not accepting an extra grand?

I don't care how you slice it, C-A is doing the ponzi scheme dance of death, if you have moderator warning points to spare over at TG, now's the time to wager them. I put Hank's C-A excel sheet into a zip file and it should be attached to this post in case anyone wants to play with the numbers.

[okosh]

One point from the latest news release I don't quite understand however:


If I'm reading that right it means that no (non director) member has any motive for spending more than $1,500 for Asterios outside of their monthly fee. it strikes me funny that they'd deprive anyone of an excuse to hand them cash. Unless,.....Hmmm. At the current 6.25% if you join at $20/month and buy 3,000 asterios (for $1,500 in week 1) you actually start taking more money out of the system than you put in at week 24. So they do go into deficit on you 31 weeks sooner. But the way the numbers work if you bought 5,000 asterios ($2,500) the break even date is in week 17, is that enough of a difference to justify not accepting an extra grand?


Looks to me like they want a lot of suckers to spend a little rather then a few suckers to spend a lot....
The idea being that this may give them a better chance of continuing to find more fresh suckers to join which in turn could slow the process of the ponzi imploding....

Reality though is that all they are doing is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic....
But it's an interesting tactic on their part.....

[littleroundman]

Anyone else noticed the definite slowdown of the Club Asteria thread on Talkgold ????

Only the 2 or 3 hardcore cheerleaders are posting there now and, even then, there's up to 4 hour gaps between posts.

A situation which can only get worse now that Manolo has a temp. ban.

I wouldn't mind betting the usual suspect "playas" are long gone.

The only question remaining now is whether they will they use a "bang" or a "whimper" exit strategy.

[okosh]

Anyone else noticed the definite slowdown of the Club Asteria thread on Talkgold ????

Only the 2 or 3 hardcore cheerleaders are posting there now and, even then, there's up to 4 hour gaps between posts.

A situation which can only get worse now that Manolo has a temp. ban.

I wouldn't mind betting the usual suspect "playas" are long gone.

The only question remaining now is whether they will they use a "bang" or a "whimper" exit strategy.

"Manolo"....That would be Dirson E. Jimenez Santana who posts as "strosdegoz" on MMG....
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t193/okosh3466/7c790cc1d34311c47acaa1b8f1626f2d.jpg

[littleroundman]

Golly, gee, whiz,

14 hours between posts in the Club Asteria thread on Talkgold, even then, the only reason for posting is for a CA memberto complain the CA website is STILL down.

Methinks, even having that renowned HYIP ponzi shill, the Extortion Buster in Ms Lucas' corner isn't gonna save this HYIP ponzi games' end from happening sooner, rather than later.

Poor young Buster and his sidekick Jenaya,

they really, really thought they were on such a roll,

Bang or whimper, whimper or bang.

[littleroundman]

"Manolo"....That would be Dirson E. Jimenez Santana who posts as "strosdegoz" on MMG....
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t193/okosh3466/7c790cc1d34311c47acaa1b8f1626f2d.jpg

I'd say "manolo" has probably 2 or 3 good shill jobs left in him before even the newest newbie wakes up and realizes that if "manolo" is shilling for a HYIP, the end is near and it's time to run for the hills.

It can't be too long now before we all hold hands and launch into a rousing rendition of:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u0xsRgivU4M

[okosh]

I'd say "manolo" has probably 2 or 3 good shill jobs left in him before even the newest newbie wakes up and realizes that if "manolo" is shilling for a HYIP, the end is near and it's time to run for the hills.


Naaaaa....Manolo is under the tutelage of one Ken Russo....He'll teach him how to shill for years and have the sheep follow him from scam to scam....

Also worth noting that despite Ken having moved on from the TG thread he is still bringing in new suckers on an almost daily basis....

You may have to log in to read but this is where Ken directs all all his sheep to get their info from him ....
Log in (http://palscafe.forumotion.com/t158-club-asteria-cash-back-offer)

[GlimDropper]

Naaaaa....Manolo is under the tutelage of one Ken Russo....He'll teach him how to shill for years and have the sheep follow him from scam to scam....

Also worth noting that despite Ken having moved on from the TG thread he is still bringing in new suckers on an almost daily basis....

You may have to log in to read but this is where Ken directs all all his sheep to get their info from him ....
Log in (http://palscafe.forumotion.com/t158-club-asteria-cash-back-offer)

Manolo? You mean Dirson E. Jimenez Satana, er. Santana? Say it ain't so. He seems so genuine and concerned in all his e-mails to me. The fact that the pimps need their e-mail lists makes them very easy to track, hell I doubt they'd even notice if you fed CFR2008A@ConsumerFraudReporting.org into one of their lists. But that's probably not a good idea, sorry I even mentioned it.

That's a nice little forum link Okosh, they don't even verify by e-mail so as long as you can remember your account details you can read over there all you like. One interesting comment from good old Ken, on January 20th he was proud to announce that he had just become a "Network Director" but five days prior to that he posted his "payment proof" for his network director commission for the month of December. Oh well, no one who knows him expects him to be honest, or to keep his lies straight.

[littleroundman]

Here's a question that Buster or perhaps Jenaya can answer, if anyone cares enough to ask either of them:

If 10 X 0 = 0

Does that mean being a "network director" of a the deceased Club Asteria HYIP ponzi game is also worth 0 ???

And 10 "network directors" = 0

Come to think of it, I vaguely remember someone wrote a song about what it means to be the "network director" of a HYIP ponzi game:

What was that song ???

Ah, yes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAZZP6Ws-qE

[okosh]

Manolo? You mean Dirson E. Jimenez Satana, er. Santana? Say it ain't so. He seems so genuine and concerned in all his e-mails to me.



Would you like his home address and phone number as well :RpS_laugh:

Courtesy of GoDaddy whois....

Administrative Contact:
Jimenez Santana, Dirson Eduardo alandetsu@gmail.com
calle las caobas esq. fuller
condominio la villa, p7
Bayahibe, Higuey 809
Dominican Republic
(809) 702-3600
http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?domain=donothingmoney.com&prog_id=GoDaddy


The fact that the pimps need their e-mail lists makes them very easy to track, hell I doubt they'd even notice if you fed CFR2008A@ConsumerFraudReporting.org into one of their lists. But that's probably not a good idea, sorry I even mentioned it.

It's a great idea...Consider it done :RpS_wink:

[okosh]

Well it seems ken Russo has survived his latest scare....Was lucky the paramedics were on hand to give him oxygen....

It all started when Ken logged into his club asteria account and found that the button to all his referals was gone....
He nearly fainted from the shock....

After a nervous call to CA support regarding his referals he found out that they will all be back in his account when CA moves to the new software which is expected to take place on wednesday....

Wonder if he realises that they never said which wednesday :RpS_laugh:

[littleroundman]

Hmmnn,

Only 2 posts in the Talkgold Club Asteria thread in the past 36 hours, and one of them was the post by SUPERshill, Ken Russo noted above by okosh.

HARK !!!!

Is that the pitter patter of tiny HYIP ponzi playa feet I hear disappearing into the distance ????

Or, is it perhaps the sound the sound of weeping and wailing and gnashing of ExtortionBuster and Jenaya teeth ???



bang or whimper, whimper or bang ???

[laidback]

OMG...! Is this P2P Deja Vu...?

Remembering the slow site and disabling features and moving to new servers....!
Wonder why they haven't purged the free members yet?

[GlimDropper]

Blogger Patrick Pretty, a man who holds my greatest respect wrote an article today touching on Club-Asteria and those pimping the program. Drawing specific attention to the TalkGold forum and it's role in facilitating so called programs like C-A and making some suggestions for how the government might appropriately reply to these issues. I'm pleased to be able to direct your attention to his blog (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2011/02/04/editorial-on-club-asteria-fxpowerpro-and-disasterclub-and-what-the-u-s-state-department-could-do-to-contain-the-danger-posed-by-the-talk-gold-ponzi-and-criminals-forum-and-others-of-its-ilk-wo/).

[EagleOne]

OMG...! Is this P2P Deja Vu...?

Remembering the slow site and disabling features and moving to new servers....!
Wonder why they haven't purged the free members yet?

If they did, their membership role would drop by close to 60%. They can't have that. They need the illusion they are a successful and growing entity. It is all smoke and mirrors with them. This is why they are in financial trouble. Not enough "paying member" to keep it going much longer. It is why the return % paid has dropped significantly in the past week.

[GlimDropper]

Fairly trivial but a though occurred to me. I'd been looking at the cash flow numbers from the individual user break even perspective. At the current 6.25%/week return it takes 53 weeks for a passive gold member to break even for example. But the numbers look very different from C-A's perspective. When you join as a gold member you pay $19.95/month but $9 of that goes to the person who recruited you. The network directors get commissions in addition to that but the numbers there are too opaque to be cleanly factored. But it is safe to say that while a passive gold member breaks even in 53 weeks (at current return rates) the company actually starts losing money on that same gold member in under 37 weeks.

Back when Ad Surf Daily was a hot topic there used to poster at Patrick's (and at other places) going by the name Entertained, there wouldn't happen to be anyone here he owes a favor to that I could barter with? He was better than anyone I can think of with mathematical modeling and I'm coming close to thinking we have access to enough data to predict the specific growth rate required to sustain C-A. Within a margin of error to be sure but provided with the correct formulas, and someone either patient enough to or wielding a heavy enough stone to get them through my skull, we stand a chance of having a clearer notion of when this house of cards will fall then Kenny boy and his pimps.

A fools errand perhaps but that's all you'll get from me tonight, I'm going down the drinker. If you're posting in this thread tomorrow morning, please type softly. :)

[EagleOne]

Fairly trivial but a though occurred to me. I'd been looking at the cash flow numbers from the individual user break even perspective. At the current 6.25%/week return it takes 53 weeks for a passive gold member to break even for example. But the numbers look very different from C-A's perspective. When you join as a gold member you pay $19.95/month but $9 of that goes to the person who recruited you. The network directors get commissions in addition to that but the numbers there are too opaque to be cleanly factored. But it is safe to say that while a passive gold member breaks even in 53 weeks (at current return rates) the company actually starts losing money on that same gold member in under 37 weeks.

Back when Ad Surf Daily was a hot topic there used to poster at Patrick's (and at other places) going by the name Entertained, there wouldn't happen to be anyone here he owes a favor to that I could barter with? He was better than anyone I can think of with mathematical modeling and I'm coming close to thinking we have access to enough data to predict the specific growth rate required to sustain C-A. Within a margin of error to be sure but provided with the correct formulas, and someone either patient enough to or wielding a heavy enough stone to get them through my skull, we stand a chance of having a clearer notion of when this house of cards will fall then Kenny boy and his pimps.

A fools errand perhaps but that's all you'll get from me tonight, I'm going down the drinker. If you're posting in this thread tomorrow morning, please type softly. :)

GD: Sent him an invitation to join us here and answer your questions. Hopefully he will accept and join us.

Did I type quietly enough?

[path2prosperity]

GD: Sent him an invitation to join us here and answer your questions. Hopefully he will accept and join us.

Did I type quietly enough?

If you can locate this man Lynne and he joins us here, you will have an injection of pure gold for the naysyers cause.

The only two characters who have made the principles comprehensible to my mind are two fictitious theoretical mathematicians. 1) The fictitious Ian Malcolm in the book (not the film version) of Michael Crighton's Jurassic Park. 2) The First Speaker in Isaac Asimov’s Foundation novels. These two make the whole concept of the rate of change in evolving systems so simple that even an "old trout" such as yours truly gets the thread.

There was a Dr Michael Black in Adlandpro's good old days, who said that he would be delighted to try to explain the basics of his subject, which was the rate of change (AKA calculus) to the intelligent adult audience in Adland .

If anybody can lelp locate some more of the old Adpro members and we can find Michael Black, we may have another good brain to help us comprehend the application of the subject to cyberspace ponzis and matrices in a way that neither Ian Malcolm nor The First Speaker are able to do for us.

[EagleOne]

He's awaiting approval, so hopefully he already has been approved.

[mumei101]

Some not so bright affiliate going by the name "pam" has started to spam my forums (on thatsnonsense.com) claiming people can earn $400 a week with this.
Time to add an entry on it I think. Not clever, spamming an anti-scam site.

[okosh]

Time to add an entry on it I think. Not clever, spamming an anti-scam site.

How is that different to what you are doing?? :RpS_unsure:

[Whip]

How is that different to what you are doing?? :RpS_unsure:

BOOOOOOOOOM shak-a-lak-a

[EagleOne]

How is that different to what you are doing?? :RpS_unsure:

He's the admin of thatsnonsense anti-scam website. He's one of us, and helps expose all the scams, Ponzi's and frauds in Europe. Some woman posted on all his threads about CA trying to get people to join it. He was merely pointing out not the right forum to try that. Hope this helped.

Hope Entertained is approved, as he is standing by waiting approval. A great addtion to the membership. Tried to PM you GD, but your box is full. Did I type quietlky enough? :RpS_laugh:

[okosh]

He's the admin of thatsnonsense anti-scam website. He's one of us, and helps expose all the scams, Ponzi's and frauds in Europe. Some woman posted on all his threads about CA trying to get people to join it. He was merely pointing out not the right forum to try that. Hope this helped.


I understand this but I still see it as spam...Maybe a thread in GD folder would be a more appropriate way to promote his forum :RpS_smile:

[littleroundman]

At the minute, it's 17 hours since the last post in the Club Asteria thread on Talkgold.

C'mon boys and girls, get with the program.

Is this any way for the members of a multi billion dollar saviour of the world economy to act ????

[path2prosperity]

I understand this but I still see it as spam...Maybe a thread in GD folder would be a more appropriate way to promote his forum :RpS_smile:

How do you see Mumei's link as spam. He mentioned his own original content web site. I bookmarked his site as it looked very interestng and he has content which is of specific interest to me.

I loved your classic "Only Twits Tweet" slogan but I do want to know more about these ghastly Facebook and Twitter sites. They are driving me round the bend.

I mention my original content in my sig files and I have just added another site. I have no idea what a GD folder is.

[path2prosperity]

[COLOR="blue"] He's one of us


Hi Lynne,

I found this comment about Mumie a bit daunting.Those of you who met each other in Scam know each others specific areas of expertise and communication style very well. I was not a member so getting to know you all is a bit like going to a new school. You and I encountered one another on WLD. People whom I am likely to introduce here have come from other communities (mainly SW London sites, Adlandpro and TalkGold).

It would be nice to have folders for those who met in different communities.

[mumei101]

I understand this but I still see it as spam...Maybe a thread in GD folder would be a more appropriate way to promote his forum :RpS_smile:

How is it SPAM? If I wanted to SPAM I'd at least included a nice backlink and told people to click it. Besides, most people here know me and what my site is. Sorry if merely mentioning my site offended you.
Anyway, back to business...

[mumei101]

Whoever did SPAM my forum also SPAMed EVERY comment section on the site, so I am guessing it was done with some auto-comment software. It took my over half an hour of deleting comments to get them all, and "pam" as it called themselves obviously ignored the "promoting guidlines" by Andrea Lucas, pointed out by GlimDropper earlier on, as the word "GUARANTEE" (capital letters no less) was plastered all over the SPAMMY messages she so kindly left.

Additionally, I think Andrea Lucas needs to learn that there is little difference between the words "guarantees" and "assures" - they both mean the same thing, only one sounds more scammy.

Every time I go to look at the main website, it is always offline. We can only hope that is because their web server has recently found its new home in the local FBIs evidence locker.. :)

Keep up the good work. This is a very interesting thread.

[GlimDropper]

He's the admin of thatsnonsense anti-scam website. He's one of us, and helps expose all the scams, Ponzi's and frauds in Europe. Some woman posted on all his threads about CA trying to get people to join it. He was merely pointing out not the right forum to try that. Hope this helped.

Hope Entertained is approved, as he is standing by waiting approval. A great addtion to the membership. Tried to PM you GD, but your box is full. Did I type quietlky enough? :RpS_laugh:

Hmm, I just checked on Ent's status on the control panel and he showed as a "user awaiting e-mail confirmation," so he should have gotten an e-mail with a confirmation link. I moved him into the "registered user" group so he should be good to go. Someone holler at me if he has any problems.

My PM box shouldn't be full, I mean it isn't full. If someone could be kind enough to shoot me a PM to confirm, if there's a problem of some sort I need to hammer it out. Thanks.

[baylee]

My PM box shouldn't be full, I mean it isn't full. If someone could be kind enough to shoot me a PM to confirm, if there's a problem of some sort I need to hammer it out. Thanks.

It still says your PM box is full.

[GlimDropper]

Hmm, thanks Baylee. I'm a little occupied atm, silly boss who always seems to want me to do the things he pays me for. But I'll look into this as soon as I can. Thanks again.

[okosh]

Here is the latest poop from club asteria...


EXCITING NEWS - WE ARE LAUNCHING OUR NEW WEBSITE THIS WEEK

The big day has finally arrived – we are migrating to our new software this Wednesday/Thursday


Software Update expected Thursday 11th of February

Expect 24 hours of closure

No Access to your Back Office

No New Members

Commission Run will take place as soon as possible thereafter. Expected Friday

Please be prepared to have read all the news and to have your membership payments up to date as these requirements will be enforced upon activation of the new software. No Exceptions!

[baylee]

Here is the latest poop from club asteria...

LOL, Where have we seen this crap before??? Oops, every scam just before they ran.:Fiddler:

[littleroundman]

Remember Asteria's promise!

''Our primary goal is to help you to make $400 per week for life!''

That's a promise for passive members.

Active members can make Club Asteria their BIG BUSINESS for life.

(bolding and colour mine)

There you have it folks,

the answer to the Global Financial Crisis.

Four hundred bucks a WEEK for LIFE.


And people like young Extortion Buster and Jenaya wonder why naysayers exist.

[okosh]

I wonder if Scam-Asteria has moved off shore??....This address was at the bottom of email sent out 9th Feb...

Asteria Holdings Limited (Hong Kong) Suite 1005, Albion Plaza 2-6 Granville Road Tsimshatsui Kowloon Hong Kong 1 (703) 226-8097

[okosh]

The latest poop....



UPDATE ON THE NEW SITE

Posted On:02/10/11

We have commenced the procedure to move all of our data and membership information onto our new site. I am sure that you can understand the mammoth undertaking this is with well over 120,000 members and all of their information. We have moved the launch date to Monday so that we can complete our weekly revenue sharing today and resulting cashout requests over the next few days without interruption. We want to be of service to and ensure that every member gets paid before the data migration takes place. The servers have been running very slow and with this new platform we expect an immediate improvement. Our site has now been built to accommodate well in excess of 1 million members.

With our new system the following features are fully automated:

• Membership subscription payments via AlertPay, PayPal, SolidTrustPay, CashX and Towah, our new payment processor (see separate announcement)
• Membership rewards of 10 Asterios for Silver Members and 20 Asterios for Gold Members
• Cash rewards of $4.50 to the upline of Silver Members and $9 to the upline of Gold Members as per the marketing schedule
• Purchases of programs, products, services and Asterios
• 10% cash reward to the upline when members are purchasing programs, products, services and Asterios
• Network Directors can upload their photographs and testimonials directly from their back office

We trust that you will be able to navigate around our new site and that you will find what you are looking for quickly and conveniently.

We want to alert you to the following:



• The Cash and Asterio Histories from the old system will not migrate to the new system. Instead, we will provide a link from the new system to your personal histories for a few months, so you may copy the data to your own computer for future reference.

• You must complete your profile in your back office

• All US citizens and legal residents earning in excess of $600 per year in commissions from Club-Asteria must complete compliance information as required by the US government. Cashouts will not be approved by the system until the requested information has been provided.

• Please remember that you must read the News for revenue sharing and commission payments

• It is important to recognize that the new software will immediately identify any member who is not current in his/her membership payments and will adjust their membership status to a Free Member. As a Free Member you will not be eligible for any commission payments or revenue sharing. Please understand it is your responsibility to make sure your subscription payment is current (account paid in full for the time that you have been a Silver/Gold Member/Network Director).

• We will be phasing out SolidTrustPay as a payment processor because SolidTrustPay does not provide us sufficient information to identify the sender of the funds. Until the end of February members may still send funds to Club-Asteria through SolidTrustPay, but cashouts will not be possible to SolidTrustPay in the new system. Members that use SolidTrustPay exclusively at the moment are asked to sign up with another payment processor as soon as possible. During the next two weeks cashout requests from these members will be done manually when special requests are received via email to andrea@club-asteria.com.

Additional Benefits already available:


• You will have noticed the recent introduction of three exclusive Club-Asteria products, our:
o e-commerce solution : Club-Asteria Pro - ..... (http://www.asteria-pro.com)
o lead capture/email marketing portal: www.asteriastar.com and
o our entrepreneurial education series : www.clubasteriaeducation.com

The e-commerce solution and our entrepreneurial education series, both extremely valuable tools and business opportunities, are free to Gold Members. AsteriaStar is free to Network Directors as part of their Network Director package. AsteriaStar is available to others for $99 per month, or $250 for 90 days. Go to each of the sites and study the videos that are made available to you.

Andrea Lucas
Managing Director

[Whip]

I wonder if Scam-Asteria has moved off shore??....This address was at the bottom of email sent out 9th Feb...

The phone number is in Virginia. Type it in google and watch all the results.

[EagleOne]

Well, Andrea has finally posted some information that can now be verified if true or not. Here's here comments:

Every day, Club Asteria generates income that provides our members financial freedom. A regular income means that members of the latest generation can build their own businesses, and communities, not remain hostage to poverty.

The end of 2010 was marked by an announcement that Club Asteria had contributed more than $50,000 to the philanthropic programs listed below. These organizations share our goal: to eliminate the cycle of poverty which enslaves the majority of the world’s population.

-Grameen Foundation
-World Concern
-Heifer International
-Living Earth Institute
-Opportunity Now
-Kiva
-Gospel for Asia
-Water Aid and World Vision

Another result of our member involvement was funding for our microfinance and microcredit programs, which enable dozens of entrepreneurs to expand or start their own businesses. Microloans allow farmers to purchase seeds; shopkeepers to pay the lease on their store; and women entrepreneurs to make clothes and sell them so they are able to support their families.

Club Asteria members donated money and made significant contributions to the ownership of animals, which play a vital role in the lives of millions. Animals provide protein rich sustenance like milk, eggs and meat – they also function as a source of labor, making it possible for farmers to expand their planting fields and gather crops at harvest time.

Donations, microloans and the purchase of animals were all critical contributions – and thanks to our members Club Asteria reached another important goal: providing access to clean water facilities. Money donated by our team contributed to the construction of a machine which drills deep fresh water wells for villages in Kenya and Somalia.

The wells improve the health of entire communities and allow the women to do other jobs and spend more time taking care of their children. In addition we contributed towards a rainwater harvesting tank that, when completed, will serve over 1000 people in Tanzania with fresh water.

This year is already on track to top 2010, as our members continue to provide the underserved families of the world receive the financial help they need. Club Asteria provides opportunity and the tools and resources for people to create better lives for themselves and their families.

Becoming a member of Club Asteria couldn’t be easier, and the benefits you’ll receive, added to the resources of knowledge available, will change your life.

It will be interesting to see if these nonprofit organizations verify the donations claimed. Average donation would have been a little over $6K to each group if evenly divided. Still it is easy to check to see if they did indeed make the donations. I doubt if Andrea thought anyone would really check. :RpS_laugh:

[EagleOne]

This speaks for itself, and how the delusional buy this poppycock:

Managua, Nicaragua30. Jan 2011One of the many perks of working with Club Asteria is the opportunity to travel and meet some of the world’s finest people. Because we venture into many areas of the globe, I have experienced a variety of cultures, food, and lifestyles. It is one of the highlights of my life.

Recently, I flew to Managua, Nicaragua. If you’ve never been to Managua, the country surprises me every time I visit. From the Masaya Volcano to the undisturbed beaches, Nicaragua is blessed with beauty; but, the people are whom I enjoy the most on my visits.

A project which has been underway at Club Asteria for some time involved a piece of land just outside the city. My intent in visiting this area was to check on the progress of a pump for a new well to a small community of about 5,000 people. When I first learned of the conditions in which these Nicaraguans were living, I was horrified – (this coming from someone who has seen many impoverished places). This community once lived in a dumping area so to speak before being moved by the government. The residents of this garbage area were able to build tents out of the debris and waste of other people, had access to fresh water, and were in walking distance of the town, so finding and getting to work was possible. While living in a landfill site may seem unbearable to most of us, this group managed well there. They even had a church constructed of used pipes and cardboard.

The government removed them from the dump area to a new location – several acres of land which had once been a toxic waste disposal. The private well was contaminated and fresh water existed four miles away. I remember the first day I arrived. Many members of the community were sick because they had been unaware of the toxicity of the private well on the site. One mother brought her dehydrated toddler to me because her husband had been ill and she could not make the eight mile walk to bring the water to the family. I knew I had two bottled waters in my backpack but was afraid if I pulled them out it might cause hysteria. What appeared to me was these precious people were left to die on this waste land.

Through joint efforts and the help of our sponsors, we were able to install a pump system to bring the water to the area. Although it is still not enough to satisfy the needs of this many people, it is a step until a well can be drilled with a purification system. Many changes had been made since the first time I visited. Families had found ways to make homes and the rampant sickness that had filled the area before over the contaminated water, was gone.

Before I left, many of the people invited me to their church, a tarp covered dwelling supported by strong tree branches. They wanted to pray for me and Club Asteria.

In living conditions which we would consider destitute, this group of people found hope in a water system. It is ironic that when I had the vision about Club Asteria, I wanted to make the world a better place…to make lives better for people. What I didn’t realize is that my work would benefit my life more because of the blessings experienced in the lives of such amazing people.

Tags: prospective entrepreneurs, masaya volcano, fresh water, landfill site


Sorry had to go barf after reading this again.

[okosh]

Well it seems that Scam-Asteria is now sending out 1099 forms....

[Eddie Haskell]

Well it seems that Scam-Asteria is now sending out 1099 forms....

I suppose this will give the yea sayers ammuntion to claim CA is legit? Last I checked they were up to 125K and then some members that signed up. I signed up myself under the Prince of PImps Ken Russo. Too bad for him that I didnt make a deposit.

When this one falls its going to be a big crash. Its just a matter of time.

[Entertained]

Hello Path2prosperity,

Eagle One and Glimdropper have been able to get me signed up here. I do not know much about Club Asteria other than what I have read here, but it looks like the founders of CA are using lots of lipstick for their pig. Do you (or anyone else) have any details of the various payouts and promises that CA is making?






If you can locate this man Lynne and he joins us here, you will have an injection of pure gold for the naysyers cause........snip......

[EagleOne]

Good to have you here Entertained, and glad I could play a small role in helping make it happen.

[EagleOne]

Entertained:

Sorry I have not been able to answer your question as I am preparing for a seminar I am doing tomorrow night. Didn't want you thinking I was ignoring you. Hopefully by the time I get finished someone else will have answered your question, and provided their comp plan. I know that GlimDropper has a question for you on the previous page or on page 3.

[Entertained]

GlimDropper,

I'd be happy to help (although at this point it might be beating a dead horse, errr, Ponzi). I am afraid I don't know too much about CA, so I'd appreciate a few details....



Fairly trivial but a though occurred to me. I'd been looking at the cash flow numbers from the individual user break even perspective. At the current 6.25%/week return it takes 53 weeks for a passive gold member to break even for example. But the numbers look very different from C-A's perspective. When you join as a gold member you pay $19.95/month but $9 of that goes to the person who recruited you. The network directors get commissions in addition to that but the numbers there are too opaque to be cleanly factored. But it is safe to say that while a passive gold member breaks even in 53 weeks (at current return rates) the company actually starts losing money on that same gold member in under 37 weeks.

Back when Ad Surf Daily was a hot topic there used to poster at Patrick's (and at other places) going by the name Entertained, there wouldn't happen to be anyone here he owes a favor to that I could barter with? He was better than anyone I can think of with mathematical modeling and I'm coming close to thinking we have access to enough data to predict the specific growth rate required to sustain C-A. Within a margin of error to be sure but provided with the correct formulas, and someone either patient enough to or wielding a heavy enough stone to get them through my skull, we stand a chance of having a clearer notion of when this house of cards will fall then Kenny boy and his pimps.

A fools errand perhaps but that's all you'll get from me tonight, I'm going down the drinker. If you're posting in this thread tomorrow morning, please type softly. :)

[littleroundman]

Entertained,

you can read all the bulls.....err.....details of the Club Asteria "revenue sharing" plan HERE (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3627024&postcount=1)

[Entertained]

....the pain, the pain.....

What total BS.

Club Asteria, based on the information that is out there, seems pretty easy to deconvolute, if we use the Black Box model. As a quick refresher, the BBM allows one to discard all of the flowery verbiage and focus on the cash flows. We can ignore the irrelevant language such as Asteria's, directors, gold members, silver members, upline commissions, etc. (Those can be modelled with a spreadsheet as well, the results of which depend on the assumptions one makes....more on that perhaps later). In any event, here's the Club Asteria cash flow BBM:

Members contribute X dollars per month (in the form of gold, silver, director fees and special Asteria purchases -- it doesn't matter). The owner skims off at least 25% (and as much as 50%). The payout for the month is thus no more than 75% of the total input. The "average member" therefore loses 25% minimum of every dollar he or she sends in. Can't get around it. Individual results will vary (as in any Ponzi).

Another simple way to look at it.......

Let's assume that there are no new members joining, and the member base contains just 10000 gold members. Let's also say that each member has sponsored enough others in such a way that each member shares equally in the 25% recruitment bonuses. Then, each and every month, each gold member pays in $20, and recives $15. What a deal.......




Entertained,

you can read all the bulls.....err.....details of the Club Asteria "revenue sharing" plan HERE (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3627024&postcount=1)

[EagleOne]

LRM:

Thanks for providing the link for entertained. Though he may not be able to access the site, as they are having "issues." Not a lot of happy members right now. They can't access the site, and keep getting server error 504. I am seeing a lot of posts claming they are not professional. Gee, wonder what their first clue was? :RpS_laugh::RpS_laugh:

[littleroundman]

LRM:

Thanks for providing the link for entertained. Though he may not be able to access the site, as they are having "issues." Not a lot of happy members right now. They can't access the site, and keep getting server error 504. I am seeing a lot of posts claming they are not professional. Gee, wonder what their first clue was? :RpS_laugh::RpS_laugh:

HeHeHe,

C'mon Lynne,

you know very well that in the world of HYIP ponzis of the modern era, just saying it has a reliable website DOES set the HYIP apart.

HYIP ponzi players don't care that the website ISN'T reliable, just as long as the "admin" SAYS it is reliable.

If the HYIP also claims it has DDoS protection, "players" fall about the place in absolutely orgasmic delight.

What's more, if the HYIP also claims to have "upgraded" its' server and/or website, GOOD LORD !!!!

What more proof of legitimacy could a ponzi player require than a HYIP saying it has a reliable website, DDoS protection AND increased server capacity ???

[EagleOne]

LRM: In regard to your question: What more proof of legitimacy could a ponzi player require than a HYIP saying it has a reliable website, DDoS protection AND increased server capacity ??? Why Andrea's update on all the great philanthropic things Club Asteria and their members have accomplished. That alone makes this legit. Hmm, wait. Bryan Marsden was doing all those good works, Blake Prater was doing all those good works, Garrett Rainier was doing all those good works, Robert Spearman was doing all those good works, Andy Bowdoin was doing all those good works, uh.......Never mind.

[littleroundman]

LRM:

Thanks for providing the link for entertained. Though he may not be able to access the site, as they are having "issues." Not a lot of happy members right now. They can't access the site, and keep getting server error 504. I am seeing a lot of posts claming they are not professional. Gee, wonder what their first clue was? :RpS_laugh::RpS_laugh:

The complaints are increasing almost by the hour.

Rest assured, once the complainants start outnumbering the shills the on "usual suspect" forums such as Talkgold, it's already too late to do anything about it.

All the members can do now is bend down, put their head between their knees and kiss their a***s goodbye.

It's really rather sad to see newbies complaining they have sent their money and haven't even had any Asterios credited to their account.

They STILL can't accept that it wouldn't make any difference if their accounts HAD been credited with Asterios.

No matter how you cut it, 100 X nothing = nothing.

They could have a squillion "Asterios" in their account and they'd STILL have nothing.

[okosh]

The complaints are increasing almost by the hour.

Rest assured, once the complainants start outnumbering the shills the on "usual suspect" forums such as Talkgold, it's already too late to do anything about it.

All the members can do now is bend down, put their head between their knees and kiss their a***s goodbye.

It's really rather sad to see newbies complaining they have sent their money and haven't even had any Asterios credited to their account.

They STILL can't accept that it wouldn't make any difference if their accounts HAD been credited with Asterios.

No matter how you cut it, 100 X nothing = nothing.

They could have a squillion "Asterios" in their account and they'd STILL have nothing.

Yep....Time to move this one to the "Non-Paying ponzi" folder in all the forums :RpS_laugh:

[baylee]

This is two paragraphs from the official update. They don't even bother to change words from one program to another.

All of the above represent the common and consistent questions and concerns that we receive each and every day from our members. Our staff is dedicated to answering and taking care of every one of your concerns as quickly as possible. Our support tickets are designed to communicate with our staff so that they know what your problems and questions are so that they can be resolved. We find that we are having difficulty catching up because inquiries are being sent multiple times to five or more Club Asteria email addresses, Skype addresses and Fax in addition to recording in the ticket system. This is simply strangling our ability to respond in a proper manner. Please understand that with thousands of inquiries, each inquiry, even if it is a duplicate, has to be thoroughly researched all over again before it can be responded to. That means that our staff is doing multiple times the same amount of work, which is counterproductive and does not resolve your issues timely and efficiently. Attempting to communicate with any of the Directors on these support issues, defeats the whole purpose of our support ticket system. We are all so dedicated to helping each of our members but we cannot respond to your support inquiries in addition to all of our other responsibilities.

We have found that of the thousands of support tickets that we are processing, over 90% have already been resolved. We are wasting time researching duplicate support inquiries. For this reason, effective immediately all outstanding support tickets prior to the move to the new system (February 14th) will be closed and we will only deal with support tickets on our new system. If you have an issue that has not been resolved you will be able to issue a new ticket and inform us of your question or concern, so we can handle it on a timely basis. OUR STAFF CAN ONLY PROCESS/RESPOND TO INQUIRIES THAT ARE SENT VIA OUR TICKET SYSTEM.

[Whip]

Should there really be thousands of inquiries for a legit enterprise? Same old ponzi excuses.

[littleroundman]

Same old ponzi excuses.

"Nothing new here, time to move along, folks"

[littleroundman]

Same old ponzi excuses.

I often wonder how long it takes a newbie true believer like poor "Extortion Buster" and "Jenaya" until the lightbulb moment hits when he/she realizes to his/her horror that the scam-du-jours' exit strategy is straight out of the HYIP 101 handbook and has been used a squillion times before.

[EagleOne]

I often wonder how long it takes a newbie true believer like poor "Extortion Buster" and "Jenaya" until the lightbulb moment hits when he/she realizes to his/her horror that the scam-du-jours' exit strategy is straight out of the HYIP 101 handbook and has been used a squillion times before.

You give them both way too much credit. After they run, which they are just about to do, they will say they are shocked, it was all the naysayers fault this failed, the naysayers were not educating anyone, just being negative, and besides who are the naysayers to say what people can do or not do with their money; yada, yada, yada.

[path2prosperity]

Hello Path2prosperity,

Eagle One and Glimdropper have been able to get me signed up here. I do not know much about Club Asteria other than what I have read here, but it looks like the founders of CA are using lots of lipstick for their pig. Do you (or anyone else) have any details of the various payouts and promises that CA is making?

Hello "Entertained",

I am so sorry that I had not seen this post before. I knew you by repute and I have made a number of comments to Lynne about this matter during 2010. Please forgive me for not picking up on your reply to me in this thread before. I have never been a member of CA, so I missed your comment.

I have spoken to Lynne and others about skills which scam busters need to build a more powerful team. I have "rabbited on and on" about the need for a theoretical mathematician with first class verbal communication skills to explain why these matrices are unsustainable in a few simple sentences that any official or recently scammed victim could grasp within 30 seconds to 3 minutes of the matter being brought to his or her attention.

A tall order? Of course, I have pointed out that fictitious mathematicians like The First Speaker in Isaac Asimov novels and Ian Malcolm in Michael Crighton’s “Jurassic Park” can make the concept not only understandable but absolutely riveting reading. Lynne sees you as one with sufficient verbal and numerate skills to do this.

I hope that he is right as you would have a market for your products and services. if he has hit the nail on the head. Perhaps you could apply your mind to this challenge and help British scam busters explain a mix of Euclidian geometry, calculus, non linear dynamics and chaos theory to clerical staff who open the mail at British Advertising Standards Authority.

The authority has introduced a law which will be placed on the statute book on
March 1st 2011 and they have given British people a severe warning that of their web sites do not conform to these rules, they face heavy fines.

I would like to pass on this warning to British people who may be inadvertently breaking the law by advertising sites like Fortune2x2.


Advertising Standards Authority - Google Search (http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=551&q=Advertising+Standards+Authority+&btnG=Google+Search)

I would like to pass on this warning to British people who may be inadvertently breaking the law by advertising sites like Fortune2x2. The British Advertising Standards Authority may not swallow Mathematical Gobbledygook churned out by CA administrators. Your help on preparing a draft complaint would be really appreciated.

[Navigator]

Yep....Time to move this one to the "Non-Paying ponzi" folder in all the forums :RpS_laugh:Wow! This is scary.. After months of thinking about it, I was just going to join CA with a fairly substantial investment. I was convinced at this point that it was a safe bet. Obviously it's not, unless of course things change. I will be watching this thread for a while. I'm just glad I didn't put in the money yet!

[baylee]

I'm just glad I didn't put in the money yet!
LOL, I bet you are

[okosh]

Wow! This is scary.. After months of thinking about it, I was just going to join CA with a fairly substantial investment. I was convinced at this point that it was a safe bet. Obviously it's not, unless of course things change. I will be watching this thread for a while. I'm just glad I didn't put in the money yet!

As a rule if it's being promoted by Ken Russo and talked about in the ponzi forums such as talkgold and MMG you can bet the farm that it's NOT a safe bet....

Especially in the case of programs like club-Scameria where they pay you with your own money for many, many months....

[Navigator]

LOL, I bet you are Yea I've invested in what has turned out to be unsustainable more than a few times over the years. Looks like I was about to make that mistake again.

[Navigator]

As a rule if it's being promoted by Ken Russo and talked about in the ponzi forums such as talkgold and MMG you can bet the farm that it's NOT a safe bet....

Especially in the case of programs like club-Scameria where they pay you with your own money for many, many months....duly noted:RpS_wink:

[littleroundman]

I'm tellin' ya, when the usual suspect "players" are complaining, it's all over, bar the shouting:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/ClubAsteria.jpg

[Entertained]

P2P,

I think that the ASA is not a governmental agency, or at the very least, cannot cause laws to be passed. Rather, they set standards on advertising, essentially requiring advertisers to be able to back up their claims (oh, the horror!).

As for anyone who advertises any 2x2 or other matrix program, well, those programs, 100% of them, do break the law. No exceptions......all are variations on pyramid schemes. As a result, I for one would love it if it were in fact illegal to advertise sites such as Fortune 2x2. People involved with it are involved with an illegal scheme, people who recruit to it are recruiting victims to a scam, and people who advertise it should be prosecuted imho.


Hello "Entertained",

....snip....

The authority has introduced a law which will be placed on the statute book on
March 1st 2011 and they have given British people a severe warning that of their web sites do not conform to these rules, they face heavy fines.

I would like to pass on this warning to British people who may be inadvertently breaking the law by advertising sites like Fortune2x2.

I would like to pass on this warning to British people who may be inadvertently breaking the law by advertising sites like Fortune2x2. The British Advertising Standards Authority may not swallow Mathematical Gobbledygook churned out by CA administrators. Your help on preparing a draft complaint would be really appreciated.

[path2prosperity]

P2P,

I think that the ASA is not a governmental agency, or at the very least, cannot cause laws to be passed. Rather, they set standards on advertising, essentially requiring advertisers to be able to back up their claims (oh, the horror!).

As for anyone who advertises any 2x2 or other matrix program, well, those programs, 100% of them, do break the law. No exceptions......all are variations on pyramid schemes. As a result, I for one would love it if it were in fact illegal to advertise sites such as Fortune 2x2. People involved with it are involved with an illegal scheme, people who recruit to it are recruiting victims to a scam, and people who advertise it should be prosecuted imho.

You are right that ASA can not get laws on to the statute book in the UK but some "body" has done that for them. When the regulations become law on March 1st, ASA can prosecute those who do not abide by the law.

If you could help British people, who wish to report offences, with wording to dispute mathematical claims made by those who produce CA and Fortune2x2 matrices, it would be a great help. People like Andrea ( what's her face) spout mathematical gobbledook. If you can deflate the windbag and hang her out to dry with words similar to those used by brilliant fictitious mathematicians, there would be a lot of rejoicing over here.

Quote from ASA web site.

ASA - Advertising Standards Authority (http://www.asa.org.uk/?gclid=CL7Z1r7am6cCFUEOfAodWWWlcQ)

From March 1st marketing communications on websites will be regulated by the ASA.
Make sure yoursite complies. Find out more and get advice

[EagleOne]

And the ties to other scammers just keeps on growing with Club Asteria. TOWAH is connected to Tom Sornes, of SNGInvest scam fame, and Frode Jorgensen, of PlexPlay fame, along with Hatfield Oak promoters from Norway and Sweden. But it gets even better. Guess who is their website coordinator? None other than Tobias Tuleby & Foedus.se who set-up Pedro Dispenza's (Peter Roor) websites, HCI and SNGInvest to name just a few. Still checking out rabbit holes, and I am sure it will lead me to more of the same type of behind the scenes crooks.

You will find these interesting reads:

EasyTowAh.com - Easy Towah - The easy way to become a Towah™ member and manage your Towah account (http://whois.domaintools.com/easytowah.com)

Easy Towah - The easy way to become a Towah™ member and manage your Towah account (http://easytowah.com/)

Easy Towah - The easy way to become a Towah™ member and manage your Towah account (http://www.easytowah.com/card/fund)

But Andrea is such a great lady and has such a vision to help others. Well at least she is helping them out of their cash. Wonder what wonder boy Ken would have to say about this news? :RpS_laugh::RpS_laugh::RpS_laugh:

[path2prosperity]

P2P,

I for one would love it if it were in fact illegal to advertise sites such as Fortune 2x2. People involved with it are involved with an illegal scheme, people who recruit to it are recruiting victims to a scam, and people who advertise it should be prosecuted imho.

I have told a British member of Adlandpro that I intend to report him for advertising Fortune2x2 if he does not remove his site before new laws come into force on March 1st. I do not know any British members who advertise Club Asteria but I am sure that some are avertising it and they should see if the British person who is advertising Fortune2x2 takes his web site down before March 1st or I report him as a test case. http://www.realscam.com/f9/fortune-2-x-2-any-information-541/#post6721

[mumei101]

...Please understand that with thousands of inquiries, each inquiry, even if it is a duplicate, has to be thoroughly researched all over again before it can be responded to. That means that our staff is doing multiple times the same amount of work, which is counterproductive and does not resolve your issues timely and efficiently....



They have to research the same question all over again to get the same answer?
Wouldn't it be easier to remember the answer?
Not very efficient...

[littleroundman]

Things are getting worse in Asterialand:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Clubasteria-1.jpg

And that's from one of the usual suspect "players"

Imagine how angry the newbies must be right now.

[laidback]

They have to research the same question all over again to get the same answer?
Wouldn't it be easier to remember the answer?
Not very efficient...\]

LOL, the learning curve is much steeper at Club Hysteria than it is for intelligent folk...!:RpS_wink:

[baylee]

\]

LOL, the learning curve is much steeper at Club Hysteria than it is for intelligent folk...!:RpS_wink:

LOL, How true! :RpS_laugh:

[Eddie Haskell]

Wont be long now. :RpS_smile: The Prince of Pimps posted this on every ponzi board he could find.


MATCHING BONUS
Posted on: 27-Feb-2011

Our members have expressed concern that because of the migration to the
new site, the slowness of the servers during this transition and initial difficulty
of navigating through our new site, they would be very pleased if we extended
the matching bonus. Due to these overwhelming requests from all of our
members to continue our matching bonus for at least an additional 30 days,
we have agreed to do this. We are always here for our members and will
continue to provide the greatest benefits and services that we could possibly
deliver.

Andrea Lucas
Managing Director

[littleroundman]

Err,

would that "matching bonus" apply only to new money coming in, and is it paid in cash or in "Asterios" ???

The only unfortunate thing is that it's now too late for anyone to get any of their money out anyway.

By the time any HYIP gets to the stage of offering extended bonuses for new money, it's a dead-ponzi-walking.

Hopefully, those who have lost in this one will enter that fact into their memory if they decide to play HYIP ponzi games again.

As for anyone who joins today - Ptttui - they can kiss their money goodbye, it's G-O-R-N

[EagleOne]

Well the crying has begun over at MMG that the thread has been taken over by naysayers. It used to be a great place to come and hear nothing but how great CA is, how happy everyone was, and wonderful news. Now all the naysayers have taken the fun out of reading the forum. Wah, Wah, Wah.

Guess they forgot it is supposed to be a "PUBLIC" forum. When the crying begins, the program is on its last legs. What tools.

[baylee]

Well the crying has begun over at MMG that the thread has been taken over by naysayers. It used to be a great place to come and hear nothing but how great CA is, how happy everyone was, and wonderful news. Now all the naysayers have taken the fun out of reading the forum. Wah, Wah, Wah.

Guess they forgot it is supposed to be a "PUBLIC" forum. When the crying begins, the program is on its last legs. What tools.

LOL, I am surprised that my post is still there.

[Eddie Haskell]

Err,

would that "matching bonus" apply only to new money coming in, and is it paid in cash or in "Asterios" ???


Im still unclear on this myself. Ken the pimp Russo says its up to 3000 but 3000 what?? It is on only new fresh cash coming in but now if they are paying it in Asterios or whatever I dont know. It really does not matter anyway. They are desperate now and its on the way to the discarded grave with the rest of the scams Ken promotes. Its a damn shame the feds are so slow to react to such obvious crimes in progress.

Im all for fixing the deficit but if I was in Washington DC I would fund the fraud division x 50 and kick the living hell out of some of these people.

[EagleOne]

The beginning of the end? Usually when you see this comment being made, it means the program is ready to collapse. Posted by stros at MMG:

My suggestion is to always invest what you can afford to loose, the program is looking great right and the growth is tremendous but there are always risks involved, so its your choice.

This post was in response to a person saying this is the best time to upgrade to ND. And we all know he was one of Ken's wannabe's and protege'. Does not bode well for the newbies joining this now. I am just curious if they will make it to the end of March seeing this post. I think the bonus bought them the ability to last into March, but I think it is just about out of gas.

[littleroundman]

Club Asteria members are crowing over the fact that it is paying a 3.1% weekly interest rate at the minute.

I wonder how many of them have bothered to work out at that rate it would take approximately 30 weeks for them to make enough to cover their initial deposit, much less be "in profit"

That, BTW, would be if they were being credited actual money into their account/s.

As it is, all that's happening is they are being credited with "Asterios"

At least with ponzis such as AdSurf Daily, the members got SOME real money in their accounts, even if it was only for a short while.

These poor suck.......err.....members are REALLY, REALLY getting nothing but "numbers on a screen"

10,000 "Asterios" and $1.00 is STILL only worth $1.00

[littleroundman]

I wonder if Scam-Asteria has moved off shore??....This address was at the bottom of email sent out 9th Feb...


Asteria Holdings Limited (Hong Kong) Suite 1005, Albion Plaza 2-6 Granville Road Tsimshatsui Kowloon Hong Kong 1 (703) 226-8097Strange, but the website is still hosted in the USA:


216.38.48.0 - 216.38.63.255

ServInt
6861 Elm Street
4th Floor
McLean
VA
22101
United States

ServInt Engineering
+1-703-847-1381
ipdept@servint.com
ServInt Engineering
+1-703-847-1381
ipdept@servint.com

+1-703-847-1381
abuse@servint.com
ServInt Engineering
+1-703-847-1381
ipdept@servint.com

NS.SERVINT.COM
NS2.SERVINT.COM

SERVINT-CIDR-5
Created: 1997-04-07
Updated: 2009-08-27
Source: whois.arin.netand still registered in the USA:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/clubasteria-2.jpg

Which is in a suite of virtual offices:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Intelligentoffices.jpg

and the supposed Hong Kong phone (703) 226-8097 number is, in reality, the same Virginia USA phone number Club Asteria has always used.

Good luck to anyone who tries to get their money back when Asteria completes its' crash.

[okosh]

The latest poop from Scam-Asteria...



CREATING VALUE
Posted on: 07-Mar-2011

At Club Asteria we are dedicated to protecting our reputation and brand in order to continue to deliver the highest level of service to our members and provide philanthropic support to the world. There is nothing more important to Club Asteria than achieving our two greatest goals: (1) helping our members earn additional income and live a better life and (2) helping those around the world who can’t help themselves.

We have grown to over 182,000 members. As you can imagine, the staff at Club Asteria has faced great challenges and has performed admirably in processing and serving all of our new members in the last few months. To meet the increased demands we have hired additional personnel and continue to hire more. We have upgraded our servers and are now moving to advanced cloud technology. Our software and code have been going through a continuous process of being rewritten and improved. We have created our own unique educational platform, custom designed e-commerce solution and, with the assistance of our financial partners, the e-wallet. We continue to believe in and strive to provide the services that will enable every one of our members to reach their highest level of success.

To continue to do all of the above for many years to come we have to be honest, truthful and act in a legitimate manner. We have to be honest with ourselves and everyone else around us. We cannot, nobody can, make exaggerated promises or false statements about the benefits of being a member of Club Asteria. Unfortunately, we have to confront the harsh reality. The incorrect and wrong message by just a few misguided individuals can adversely affect the majority that is dedicated to fulfilling the vision of Club Asteria. If we don’t operate and behave in a truthful and legitimate manner, it will be very hard to continue our growth and provide all of our benefits.

So far this year we have granted over 200 micro-credit loans; we have made substantial donations to over 12 different worldwide philanthropic organizations; our members are taking advantage and earning money through our educational, e-commerce and e-wallet programs. We are very proud of all of this.

Help us to tell others about Club Asteria. Be proud of our educational program, e-commerce program, e-wallet, revenue sharing and reward program.

• Through our educational program our members have the ability to participate in a trillion dollar plus industry. Our members can utilize and sell the most advanced products, many custom designed exclusively for Club Asteria, at the most advantageous prices available in the marketplace today.

• Through our e-commerce program our members have the systems and tools to participate again in a trillion dollar plus industry. We have put together an online marketing program that allows each member to become their own business person and take advantage of the most advanced technology available to make extra income.

• Through our e-wallet program, with the assistance of our financial partners, we are now in an industry that last year sent over $470 billion dollars overseas to families and friends. Our financial partners have developed the fastest, most convenient and least costly mobile solution to save, manage and send money anywhere in the world. As Club Asteria earns greater and greater revenues from this service, you as a member will benefit not only by saving money but also by making money through your participation in our revenue sharing program.

We promise and are committed to adding more programs, products and services to create even better benefits for our members. We ask for your help to accomplish all of this. Work hard and smart, utilize all of our products, programs and services and most importantly, present an accurate account of what Club Asteria provides and stands for. Let us all protect the value and the brand of Club Asteria so we can continue to serve each and every member and the world around us.

Andrea Lucas
Managing Director

[littleroundman]

A wonderful example of new age spin doctoring at work.

There's a very good reason "spin doctoring" techniques are now taught at university.

Does anyone REALLY think it takes four years at university doing "marketing" or "public relations" if what you're learning is how to tell the truth ???

For example, what is this Andrea Parker quote actually saying:


• Through our educational program our members have the ability to participate in a trillion dollar plus industry. Our members can utilize and sell the most advanced products, many custom designed exclusively for Club Asteria, at the most advantageous prices available in the marketplace today.

Get it ???

"Participate in a trillion dollar plus industry"

Is that the same as saying the guy who fills your tank at your local gas station isn't a lowly paid worker, he's actually"Participating in a trillion dollar plus industry"

Coffee is the second most legally traded commodity on the planet.

Does Parkers' statement mean that the women who spend their days hand sorting coffee beans for a dollar a week should feel privileged that they are "Participating in a trillion dollar plus industry" ????

[littleroundman]

Here's the latest Andrea Parker missive:

Pay particular attention to this one.

There's two sentences buried deep in the gibber.....err....vitally important information which should frighten the beejesus out of any member.

No cheating now, see if you can pick them.

Then look at the bottom of this post and be prepared to laugh.


EMPOWERING OUR MEMBERS
Posted on: 13-Mar-2011

We are so proud and happy to announce that we are now sharing our benefits, services and products with over 185,000 members. It is so gratifying to see people joining our family from all over the world. Our goal is to have over 1 million members earning additional income and helping us to make a positive difference in the world. Through our philanthropic programs we continue to feed hungry children, assist in providing shelter for families, contribute towards health services and make it possible for communities to enjoy clean drinking water. We continue to provide hundreds of micro-credit loans to those aspiring individuals who lift themselves up by creating job opportunities for themselves and their community. Our substantial donations to worthy organizations like Heifer International, Water Aid America, Grameen Bank and many others continue to help improve life for thousands of families.
Each of our members substantially contributes towards the goals of Club Asteria by taking advantage of our programs to earn additional money for themselves. The more money that is earned by each and every one of our members translates into more funds that are available for Club Asteria’s philanthropic foundation to utilize globally. Our entire creative and resourceful staff is spending every moment to expand and improve our entrepreneurial education program, e-commerce solution and financial services platform. We have chosen these industries – education, Internet marketing and financial services – because of the trillions of dollars that are currently being spent on these services and products. Club Asteria’s goal is to provide our own unique and proprietary products and services with the support of our financial and/or venture partners to create an enormous and extended path of earnings for both our members and Club Asteria.

Our entrepreneurial education program already is developing into a premier learning and knowledge provider. Not only our members but also millions of individuals from all over the world are able to take advantage of both the free services and paid services that this platform provides. This is creating great opportunities for our members and provides additional revenue for Club Asteria’s philanthropic endeavors.

Likewise, our e-commerce solution, which focuses on Internet marketing, allows us to reach millions of people every day. The Internet is a magnificent tool that levels the playing field and allows both the biggest player and the smallest player to equally participate. We have already created our own systems, tools and technology to participate in this business at the highest and most successful level. Each of our members now has the income earning opportunity to take advantage of Internet marketing on a level with the most sophisticated businesses and individuals in the world. As more and more of our members are introduced to this program and take advantage of the many options available to them to be in their own Internet marketing business, both their revenues and Club Asteria’s revenues will increase.

The same thing is true with our financial services, which is now providing our members the opportunity to use their mobile phone to save, manage and transfer funds worldwide. As our members recognize the value of this system and not only start using it for themselves but also sharing it with other people around the globe, once again, the benefits to our members and the revenues to Club Asteria will increase.

It is very important to understand that our business and revenue model is based on the successful inroads that we make in the industries we are participating in. Club Asteria will earn more revenue and will become an even bigger participant in the education, e-commerce and financial services industries as our products and services are further developed and the utilization and sharing of these products and services are increased by our members. Make no mistake – we make money from our education, e-commerce and financial services programs when our members share these programs with others. The word of mouth advertising from satisfied customers is always the best marketing that you can do. The more individuals, both members and non-members, that use these services the greater our members’ and our income potential is. In the coming weeks and months we will be promoting not only the use of what we have today but everything that we are developing. Our goal is to see our members utilize these products and services for their own benefit and earn additional income by sharing them with others.

As we are maturing and evolving, we have continuously recognized how important our members’ hard work and contributions are to the success of our revenue sharing program. Each week we share 30% of the revenue that is earned through the sale of our products and services with our membership. It is wonderful for us at Club Asteria to experience the spirit of giving back and paying forward that so many of our members have demonstrated. Nobody should just sit by and watch while others contribute so much. We want to be there for everyone but each of us has to do their share. When all of our members contribute, whether through our educational services, our e-commerce solution or our financial services, our revenues go up and there is more revenue for all of us to share.

Our goal is not to just have one million members but to have a family of one million participants who are highly purposed towards improving themselves, utilizing and selling the finest products available and helping people around the world that can’t help themselves. At Club Asteria it is our passion and purpose to inspire, focus, concentrate and even force each of our members to work smarter and harder to achieve the greatest that life has to offer. We hope that each of our members can understand that at Club Asteria we will work hard to motivate and even inspire the uninspired. Our goal here is to empower all of our members. There is no greater feeling in the world than the pride and respect you have when you take advantage of the opportunities that are provided to you of earning the highest income possible and using it wisely. Being successful at our chosen field of work is part of our identity and results in our inner dignity.

In the coming weeks we will be instituting programs that encourage and mandate each of our members to utilize aspects of our entrepreneurial educational, e-commerce and financial programs to improve themselves. We have created these programs for the benefits of our members and their families. We want our members to make good use of the knowledge and benefits that can be obtained from these excellent programs. Based on this, we will be setting simple and very achievable requirements for all of our members to improve themselves by participating in any one of our programs. In the future to continue to receive your compensation from revenue share and all of our other programs, it will be necessary for you to participate in at least a minimum of these programs. There is no doubt in our minds and I am sure in yours that a more knowledgeable member with greater skills can contribute greatly not only to their own success but also to the success of the entire membership. Together we can all make a difference not only in our own future but also set an example for the world of what we can do to help others.

We don’t want to leave anybody behind and we know that by participating in these programs it will be positively life changing for our members, their families and community. It is the best of the human spirit to learn, grow and utilize our talent to the best of our ability.

I look forward to all of our members’ support for many years to come.

Andrea Lucas
Managing Director




See 'em ????




No ?????



Here they are, then:





Read 'em and weep, members.




Based on this, we will be setting simple and very achievable requirements for all of our members to improve themselves by participating in any one of our programs. In the future to continue to receive your compensation from revenue share and all of our other programs, it will be necessary for you to participate in at least a minimum of these programs





IOW, pay up or shut up, suckers.

[laidback]

I think what should also be of tantamount importance to members is this statement from the Scam-Hysteria drivel err umm policy statement above"


Each week we share 30% of the revenue that is earned through the sale of our products and services with our membership

Since the sale of their products is likely exclusively to members, break-even is virtually impossible, especially if you add in the on-going monthly membership fee of $9.95(silver) or $19.95 (gold) which by definition is not "product sales" and not subject to return to the members. And now they are going to insist that members buy in to at least a "minimum" of these programs? WTF is their definition of, " a minimum of these programs"...???

[EagleOne]

My favorite was this line:

At Club Asteria it is our passion and purpose to inspire, focus, concentrate and even force each of our members to work smarter and harder to achieve the greatest that life has to offer.

Sure makes you want to be a member now doesn't it. :RpS_scared:

But the moron's think this is "great news."

[mumei101]

WTF is their definition of, " a minimum of these programs"...???

67

no wait.. its 48

actually its 20% I think...

umm.. shrug shoulders. give up.

now why would a Ponzi creator want to be ambiguous? lol.

the next PR will state that to participate, members will need to "share a minimum of their pension/wage where upon monetary return from said participation will directly result from number of programs participated in multiplied by minimum time spent doing those programs multiplied by our special X factor multiplied by minimal percentage of the minimum amount of pension/wage shared".

uhh...

:P

[baylee]

stroesdegoz/manolo and his sidekick 10bucksup at mmg/tg will shortly need a new scam as this one is close to going belly up.

[scratchycat]

I received an email today promoting Club Hysteria. I gave them the the link to this forum, hope they pay attention. Well, guess what. Here is the response:
3/14/2011 3:52:02 PM
Club Hysteria was a fun way of putting it :)

I read most of the posts and there is a lot of guessing there.
In my opinion CA will last as long as CA do what they say they will do.
Pay out 30% of their revenue to members.

The fact that they survived through the slow load period, which was long,
got the new site up and running, and still pays out as fast as they did from
my first withdrawalrequest, doesn't give me a reason to worry about anything.

I haven't got the full grasp of all the new things we are getting yet, but it looks interesting.
If they become the next payment processor it would be fun. :)
It's a big market with large fees.

PS. I will never join a HYIP again either, and I don't consider CA to be a HYIP.
All HYIPs fail, no exceptions.

I really like this person and sorry I did not get through.

[A Life Aloft]

It seems you get a lot of emails promoting scams. Do you have a spam program/software for your email accounts, because I never ever get these things.

[okosh]

Here's the latest Andrea Parker missive:

Pay particular attention to this one.

There's two sentences buried deep in the gibber.....err....vitally important information which should frighten the beejesus out of any member.

No cheating now, see if you can pick them.

Then look at the bottom of this post and be prepared to laugh.






See 'em ????




No ?????



Here they are, then:





Read 'em and weep, members.




Based on this, we will be setting simple and very achievable requirements for all of our members to improve themselves by participating in any one of our programs. In the future to continue to receive your compensation from revenue share and all of our other programs, it will be necessary for you to participate in at least a minimum of these programs





IOW, pay up or shut up, suckers.

But,....But....But......stroesdegoz/manolo says this is a "nice update" :RpS_laugh:

[littleroundman]

But,....But....But......stroesdegoz/manolo says this is a "nice update" :RpS_laugh:

I think he meant to say "this is a nice long update"

[baylee]

I see the usual suspects are telling people at mmg to stay away from negative people and not believe what nay-sayers are posting about the club getting ready to go belly-up.

[laidback]

I see the usual suspects are telling people at mmg to stay away from negative people and not believe what nay-sayers are posting about the club getting ready to go belly-up.

YUP...! They figure if they lie to each other enough, it'll drown out reality...!http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-045.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/facebook-smileys.html)

[littleroundman]

I see the usual suspects are telling people at mmg to stay away from negative people and not believe what nay-sayers are posting about the club getting ready to go belly-up.

I love it when they invoke the "negative people" thing.

They've gone from encouraging a "Power of Positive Thinking" mentality to labeling anyone who points out the bleedin' obvious as being "negative"

I'm wouldn't be surprised if one of the HYIP operators branched out into offering cut price holidays to Sunny Afghanistan and told people not to listen to negative naysayers and dreamstealers who say it's dangerous.

Originators of the "positive thinking" movement such as Norman Vincent Peale, Napoleon Hill and Dale Carnegie must be rolling over in their graves when they see what has become of their ideas.

[scratchycat]

It seems you get a lot of emails promoting scams. Do you have a spam program/software for your email accounts, because I never ever get these things.

I am a member of some social networks and do get messages that many times are ads. No, my personal email sends them to junk folder but I do get a lot!

[Lil Ol' Radical Me]

Hot off the press - new information from the World Bank from the one and only Patrick Pretty about "ex Director" Andrea Lucas- because it looks as if EX is the appropriate word and Director isnt.
Sea Of Incongruity Surrounds Club Asteria: As ‘Ken Russo’ Pushes ‘Opportunity’ On TalkGold Ponzi Board, World Bank Qualifies ‘Director’ Claims Made By Promoters (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2011/03/16/sea-of-incongruity-surrounds-club-asteria-as-ken-russo-pushes-opportunity-on-talkgold-ponzi-board-world-bank-qualifies-director-claims-made-by-promoters/)

[baylee]

Thank you for the heads up, I just posted it at the mmg forum where they are pimping it very hard also.

[Jayson]

I think he meant to say "this is a nice long update"

Stroesdegoz doesn't understand English well! He is well listening pupil of Lucas! If you see his posts, he is always happy with any news! his main goal to get more refs, more victims! where he gets real cash!

[Jayson]

They are still recycling the old tape!



HOW WE CAN HELP THE PEOPLE OF JAPAN
Posted on: 17-Mar-2011
No matter who we are or where we live, when we look into the hurting eyes of the victims of Japan's earthquakes and tsunami, we see our own families, our own children and our own communities -- and know it could happen to any of us.

Always remember Club Asteria's main goal is to help end the cycle of poverty by providing relief to people that do not have the ability to help themselves. We do this as a company, but we are also a family of hundreds of thousands of individual members, all joined together in our culture of caring and giving.

Some events cause suffering on such a massive scale that the world comes together in a common cause. In times like these, we feel Club Asteria and our members should be on the front line, showing other companies and individuals the path to social responsibility and caring.

Because of the recent tragic events in Japan we are asking you, our members to join us in reaching out a helping hand once again.
Club Asteria will immediately add additional funds to our Philanthropic Foundation over the next 15 days to directly help those that have been affected by the earthquake and tsunami in Japan. Some of these donations will be earmarked to the local Red Cross, World Vision, UNICEF and Save the Children, among others.

How You Can Help

You can help by putting in a little extra effort into your Club-Asteria business over the next 15 days. We are asking you now to just use one extra hour each day to focus on the things that generate additional revenue, such as product and service sales as well as memberships:

• Purchase and sell any of our products from our e-commerce platform
• Sign up for your e-wallet and load a little extra money onto it
• Purchase a Prepaid MasterCard for yourself and your family
• Utilize our entrepreneurial education program
• Introduce people to the benefits of Club Asteria

With these additional steps we can show the world what Club Asteria and our members can do together and what we really stand for. Your will be rewarded not only emotionally and spiritually, but you will also see greater financial rewards: as you put forth the extra efforts to generate relief for the Japanese, you will generate more income for yourself.

We have confidence that our members -- even more than our company by itself -- will continue to do great things to help improve the lives of people all around the world.
Let's work together and really make a difference in this moment of human crisis.

Sincerely,
Andrea Lucas, Managing Director
All Of The Club Asteria Team & Network Directors

[baylee]

I hate it when these scammers trot out the charities card. The admins and pimps need to hear the jail doors slam shut on them for an additional 50 years when they do.

[Whip]

I hate it when these scammers trot out the charities card. The admins and pimps need to hear the jail doors slam shut on them for an additional 50 years when they do.

I'm surprised it took someone this long.

[EagleOne]

Does any of the members understand that for a company to donate to the cause they must go through a recognized charitable corporation or foundation for their donation to be tax-deductible? CA is neither of these, and they have never identified any such organization through whom they are doing their "charitable" good works. Going to be a lot of rude awakenings when it comes time for taxes and their claiming the deductions.

[laidback]

I posted this at MMG in response to the"charity appeal" by Scam Hysteria:





If you really want to help the Japanese, go here: Charity Navigator - America's Largest Charity Evaluator | Home (http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?...w&cpid=1221) . You will be assured that any of the listed organization is a bonafide charity and will use your donations to really help. You will also notice that Club Asteria is NOT listed.

[EagleOne]

moneymachine: You do not have the gonads to come here and post, or else you would have already done so. But you sure try to talk a good game. So come on and bring it on. Not going to hold my breath because you haven't got anything but hot air.

[EagleOne]

Just realized that it is munnymachine, not moneymachine.

[littleroundman]

LOOK OUT !!

The vultures are moving in to pick over the carcass,

another sure sign this one's nearly dead:

Remember what happened just before ASD and PIPS were busted ????



MY Offer In Club Asteria :(it is not like other companies,so enquire before leaving,its a good company)

for 20$ plan :
I will give you 9$ every month for 3months.So,u have to pay only 11$ in the starting 3months,and less than 11$ in the next months.If u join atleast one,you have to pay only 2$.

FOR 10$ PLAN :
I will give you 4.5$ everymonth for 3months,so u have to pay only 5.5$ in the starting 3months,and less than that in the next months.If u join atleast one,you have to pay only 1$.

-----------------------------
business plan :(MAIN ADVANTAGE IS,U GET MONEY WEEK BY WEEK,WITHOUT JOINING ANYONE ALSO)

Gold(20$) :
Fee is 20$ every month,and see my signature for my website,for income calculator.That income,you get every week,which increases week by week.details given in my website,see my signature.
Referral income :
u get 9$ every month,if u refer any gold(20$) member.In my offer,i am just giving al those 9$ to u for 12months if u join.

SILVER(10$ plan) :
Fee is 10$ every month,and see my signature for my website,for income calculator.That income,you get every week,which increases week by week.details given in my website,see my signature.
Referral income :
u get 4.5$ every month,if u refer any gold or silver member.In my offer,i am just giving al those 4.5$ to u for 12months if u join.

FOR PURCHASING ABOVE 250$ :
OUR WEEKLY COMISIONS depends on the number of asterias we have.THEY also increase week by week.
According to the companies revenue of the previous week,it will distribute its income to the members,based on a percentage.It is approximately 7% for now,and it will change according to the company's revenue.
Commissions are calculated based on the previously mentioned percentage of the ASTERIOS we have.
This commission is divided into 80% and 20%.
80% is added to asterios and 20% is given as CASH.
Because of this addition of asterias,week by week,your asterias will increase and so,your income increases week by week.
Calculate your income from the calculator in my website(see signature).
1 asteria = 1 USD or 1$ . Asterias are nothing but points.
you will get 100% matching bonus for purchasing 250 or above asterias.That means,you will get 500 asterias for buying 250asterias..MORE ASTERIAS WILL GIVE U MORE WEEKLY COMMISSIONS.For people who purchase above 250$,they will get their investment within 20weeks(based on present 7%),and from that time,you will get high returns.
Contact me for doubts
SKYPE: asterialeadersgroup

[littleroundman]

I'm tellin' ya................................................


Re: Club Asteria - club-asteria.com
Quote:


Originally Posted by manolo http://www.talkgold.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4259342#post4259342)
All payments were removed due to the server transfer you just need to request again... but I guess trollz have another opinion... let's hear it.

it is not necessary to become personel here. it is my own opinion and i have over one year experiences with asteria. i saw it growing and i recognized a strong change in handling things from the admin site of asteria. specially andrea lucas.

good to hear that the server transfer was the reason for removing the cashout requests. but that dont explain the missing nd comissions since month. several nds reported failure or full missing commissions. also support is NOT answering any support ticket regarding nd comission problems. last year andrea lucas was reachable via email in hours and she responded ANY mail we send. now it is quite since end of last year. that is not a good sign and not explainable due higher membership.
Asteria announced also that only those who are investing in programs will participate in the near future at the comission run.
Here a short projection of asterias future:

1. you have to pay x$ / month for gold/silver status
2. you will have to participate in programs for y$ / month
3. you will get back z$ / year comission

One Year projection:
z$=SUM(x$+y$)*M

M=multiplier variable considerable <1

To say it clearly: You will pay MORE than you will get. Thats Asterias future. You will see...

[Whip]

It will soon be known as club hysteria.

[laidback]

It will soon be known as club hysteria.

"and there will be great wailing and gnashing of teeth........"...!http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-sign-smileys-996.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)

[baylee]

"and there will be great wailing and gnashing of teeth........"...!http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-sign-smileys-996.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)

And Pimps like stroesdegoz/mamolo and his sidekick 10bucksup will simply try to slime away from the program and go to the next big thing.

[EagleOne]

I have been taking a look at this, and I am not buying the membership is now 200,000+. Just too many red flags flying. I think it was a last ditch effort to try to keep the money coming in so this could last a few more weeks before they run.

[Eddie Haskell]

Ken Russo says membership is now at 203K plus. He said the ponzi drive netted them a record of over 4K members in one day. Im calling BS on all of this. Its a last ditched effort. 12 daily pro only had 250K if memory serves me and that was the biggest scam of all time that I remember. Club hysteria is no where close to that level.

[littleroundman]

OH NO !!!

SURELY NOT !!!

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Manolo001.jpg

IT CAN'T BE TRUE !!!!!

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Manolo002.jpg

A dishonest shill for a HYIP ponzi ?????

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh, surely not Manolo/Strosdegoz/Dirson E Jimenez

but, but, but..........

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif

They're a comin' thick and fast now, folks.

[okosh]

OH NO !!!

SURELY NOT !!!

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Manolo001.jpg

IT CAN'T BE TRUE !!!!!

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Manolo002.jpg

A dishonest shill for a HYIP ponzi ?????

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh, surely not Manolo/Strosdegoz/Dirson E Jimenez

but, but, but..........

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/wavingredflag.gif

They're a comin' thick and fast now, folks.

So Manolo has orchastrated HIS exit stratergy....Wonder what Russo will come up with??....

[okosh]

Also worth noting that whilst Russo and the other shills wave the pom poms with every new sign up, according to posts at TG no one has been paid since 13th March....

Game over??...Or will the "end game" drag on a while longer??....

[EagleOne]

While TG people may not be posting "I got paid," the tools on MMG are. Been a rash of them today, but they are the usual suspects so not sure if they really got paid. They are posting their payments, but those can be doctored. Then again they may be doing "selective payments" as others have done in the past. Still this is on its last legs.

[EagleOne]

The shills for this at MMG are getting really testy. A lot of pent-up anger being unleashed and name-calling against the "trolls." Seems their conscious is getting to them. I didn't think any of them had one, but it seems some may.

The real question is how many usernames does Manolo have there? Too funny how he tried to duck getting caught with multiple ones at TG. Is he really that stupid naturally, or did he have to work at it? I especially liked the claim he posted on 35 forums. I didn't know he could count that high. I think when 10bucksup IQ hits 50 he should sell.

For an organization that is "claiming" to have over 200,000 members, only 1/100th of 1% are even posting on MMG and TG. At least ASD, Megalido, 12DP, CEP, had more members posting than this piddly number. Another reason why I am not buying the 200,000+ membership number claim.

Funny how they won't come and play here. Still hiding behind skirts at their "safe" forums.

[baylee]

The shills for this at MMG are getting really testy. A lot of pent-up anger being unleashed and name-calling against the "trolls." Seems their conscious is getting to them. I didn't think any of them had one, but it seems some may.

The real question is how many usernames does Manolo have there? Too funny how he tried to duck getting caught with multiple ones at TG. Is he really that stupid naturally, or did he have to work at it? I especially liked the claim he posted on 35 forums. I didn't know he could count that high. I think when 10bucksup IQ hits 50 he should sell.

For an organization that is "claiming" to have over 200,000 members, only 1/100th of 1% are even posting on MMG and TG. At least ASD, Megalido, 12DP, CEP, had more members posting than this piddly number. Another reason why I am not buying the 200,000+ membership number claim.

Funny how they won't come and play here. Still hiding behind skirts at their "safe" forums.

LOL, I don't think one of the "Pimps" named omar likes me.


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[laidback]

The shills for this at MMG are getting really testy. A lot of pent-up anger being unleashed and name-calling against the "trolls." Seems their conscious is getting to them. I didn't think any of them had one, but it seems some may.

The real question is how many usernames does Manolo have there? Too funny how he tried to duck getting caught with multiple ones at TG. Is he really that stupid naturally, or did he have to work at it? I especially liked the claim he posted on 35 forums. I didn't know he could count that high. I think when 10bucksup IQ hits 50 he should sell.

For an organization that is "claiming" to have over 200,000 members, only 1/100th of 1% are even posting on MMG and TG. At least ASD, Megalido, 12DP, CEP, had more members posting than this piddly number. Another reason why I am not buying the 200,000+ membership number claim.

Funny how they won't come and play here. Still hiding behind skirts at their "safe" forums.
10bucksup needs to get his IQ to above freezing first. BTW it looks like Yippee jumped in at MMG and deleted some "off top" posts. As usual not very objective about which ones. 10bucksup took a shot at ISPY about it not being his real name, and I asked if "10bucksup" was his first or last name, now posts are gone.

[baylee]

10bucksup needs to get his IQ to above freezing first. BTW it looks like Yippee jumped in at MMG and deleted some "off top" posts. As usual not very objective about which ones. 10bucksup took a shot at ISPY about it not being his real name, and I asked if "10bucksup" was his first or last name, now posts are gone.

LOL, the major "Pimps" just imploded over there. stroesdegoz/manolo, 10 bucksup, omar, and a few others. LOL, Very funny!

[EagleOne]

Just an observation, but do we remember how Andy and all the shills touted that ASD had over 120,000 members, but when the count of people who were victims invested in ASD was in the 40,000 range according to the feds?

It makes me wonder just how many "active" members there are in CA. If the percentages are similar, this would mean that CA only has about 80,000 active (paid) members. No wonder they are going to force and mandate members to pay, or be out of the program. This means this is ready to implode and soon.

[littleroundman]

I agree entirely with Lynne.

There is NO WAY this one has 200,000 members, active or otherwise.

The only thing which has allowed it to survive this long is the fact it hasn't been paying out much actual cash, unlike ASD, which at least let a few bucks trickle out to members.

People are gonna find out exactly what is meant by Owen Platts' "Numbers on a Screen" when they try to convert their "Asterios" into money.

[okosh]

Just an observation, but do we remember how Andy and all the shills touted that ASD had over 120,000 members, but when the count of people who were victims invested in ASD was in the 40,000 range according to the feds?

It makes me wonder just how many "active" members there are in CA. If the percentages are similar, this would mean that CA only has about 80,000 active (paid) members. No wonder they are going to force and mandate members to pay, or be out of the program. This means this is ready to implode and soon.

I pointed out at TG back when CA had well under 100,000 members that there seemed to be some sort of bot pushing the member count along....I stand by that post....

BTW....Since Manolo is a reff whore he was unbanned at TG and MPD overlooked.....

[GlimDropper]

Back on the 18th of this month someone posted on TG that the weekly pay out had fallen to 3.24%, "DRdave" seemed to confirm this by commenting that it still would be just under 13% a month which he said "was great in his book." If my math is right, a sustained 3.24% would mean that a non recruiting, non upgrading $20/month gold member would need 102 weeks, just shy of two years to break even money wise. But given the basics of the commission structure C-A would start losing money on that member before week 70, well before in fact.

And that really is the genius of C-A, it's a recruiting pyramid built on top of a ponzi scheme. The DRdaves and manolos of the game don't need to care about the ponzi payout, it's just a tiny fraction of their income. The vast majority of their take is a percentage of the money they bring into the program each month, a hefty percentage at that.

Hank Needham and whoever else helped him cook up this program designed a very efficient cash attracting scheme, no wonder the pimps love it and are fighting so hard to keep the gravy flowing. I haven't had the time of late to follow some of the smaller "affinity forums" and last I looked at the C-A site the removed their own message board (never a healthy sign) but I expect the high level "directors" are leaning on their golds and silvers to pony up their own directors fees and sending them out to recruit even as the weekly ponzi payout falls. Because the next step might be to lower the pyramid payout and that's when the pimps start getting hurt.

[laidback]

Back on the 18th of this month someone posted on TG that the weekly pay out had fallen to 3.24%, "DRdave" seemed to confirm this by commenting that it still would be just under 13% a month which he said "was great in his book." If my math is right, a sustained 3.24% would mean that a non recruiting, non upgrading $20/month gold member would need 102 weeks, just shy of two years to break even money wise. But given the basics of the commission structure C-A would start losing money on that member before week 70, well before in fact.

And that really is the genius of C-A, it's a recruiting pyramid built on top of a ponzi scheme. The DRdaves and manolos of the game don't need to care about the ponzi payout, it's just a tiny fraction of their income. The vast majority of their take is a percentage of the money they bring into the program each month, a hefty percentage at that.

Hank Needham and whoever else helped him cook up this program designed a very efficient cash attracting scheme, no wonder the pimps love it and are fighting so hard to keep the gravy flowing. I haven't had the time of late to follow some of the smaller "affinity forums" and last I looked at the C-A site the removed their own message board (never a healthy sign) but I expect the high level "directors" are leaning on their golds and silvers to pony up their own directors fees and sending them out to recruit even as the weekly ponzi payout falls. Because the next step might be to lower the pyramid payout and that's when the pimps start getting hurt.

Exactly! When you see that DrDave/Ken Russo and Dirson Eduardo Jimenez Santana(Strosdegoz/manolo) put in a minimum and then recruit and push people to get the gold membership where their take is $9.95 per gold member per month, they don't really get "hurt", their profits just fall off as the program collapses. Then Ken will come in after the fact,(usually after he's found the "next greatest thing he's ever seen") and say it's not looking too good, resulting in his following of sheeple jumping to the next one. The only way sociopaths like Ken will ever get hurt is if they get prosecuted and thrown in the slammer with "bubba"!

[laidback]

well, here is the latest from that conservative non-ponzi, not an investment:



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QUOTE (lany @ Mar 24 2011, 12:21 PM) *
Last updateHELLO FROM THE BAHAMAS
Posted on: 24-Mar-2011

This week the Club Asteria team is meeting here in the Bahamas at the beautiful Atlantis Resort on Paradise Island. The ocean, the beaches and the pools are beautiful, but nevertheless, with all of the beauty around us, we are spending our time in meetings planning all of the new products and services we are going to bring to our members. We have some very exciting systems, tools and programs that we are working on for your benefit. All of our programs are designed to help you make more money and be more successful in every aspect of your life.
What we are also talking about is having several events in the near future in resorts close to our membership base where we could feature our benefits and the wonderful contributions we are making to the world. It would be so exciting for all of us to be able to personally meet each and every member who has contributed to the overall success of everything we are doing here at Club Asteria.

We hope that you are using our educational platform, e-commerce and e-wallet programs currently because we know that they will help you. As always, we wish each of our members the best of everything in life and hope that you will all work hard and smart to reach your maximum potential.

Andrea Lucas
Managing Director


LOL. Now that's what I call using member money wisely! I'm wondering if they could have perhaps had their business meeting in such a place and way as to preserve member capital...? whistling1.gif

[mumei101]

Yes I heard that one sign of a failing scam is the removal of its community board to mask increasing negative comments. is this something that you have seen before?

[Whip]

well, here is the latest from that conservative non-ponzi, not an investment:




LOL. Now that's what I call using member money wisely! I'm wondering if they could have perhaps had their business meeting in such a place and way as to preserve member capital...? whistling1.gif

Do you have the email headers to see where it possibly could have really come from?

[Whip]

Yes I heard that one sign of a failing scam is the removal of its community board to mask increasing negative comments. is this something that you have seen before?

Yep. ASD did it I believe.

[baylee]

Yep. ASD did it I believe.

as did p 2 p . I think the secret agent closed it if my memory is correct.

[laidback]

Do you have the email headers to see where it possibly could have really come from?

Nope, sorry, it is a reproduced post from MMG. I am not on their mailing list.

[arandomwalkrant]

Ah, Ha! I see that the inevitable Site problems have started. It's the ponzi collapse playbook, exactly according to script! This is what I found posted on the CA site a few minutes ago, "Dear Members,

Our IT Department is working on a few issues with the new environment and you will see a few downtimes over the next day or two.
We are working to resolve this ASAP.

We will keep you informed if there are any changes. Once again, thank you for your patience.

Andrea Lucas
Managing Director"

Yep, Exactly according to script.

ARWR

[littleroundman]

It's good being a naysayer.

Naysayers can never be wrong, only inaccurate.

Even then, naysayers will only be inaccurate if they:

a) Give an estimated time frame of how long a HYIP ponzi will last before the inevitable happens.

b) Bank on the Feds shutting the HYIP down before it implodes.

Otherwise, being a naysayer in the HYIP ponzi arena only requires patience.

[laidback]

It's good being a naysayer.

Naysayers can never be wrong, only inaccurate.

Even then, naysayers will only be inaccurate if they:

a) Give an estimated time frame of how long a HYIP ponzi will last before the inevitable happens.

b) Bank on the Feds shutting the HYIP down before it implodes.

Otherwise, being a naysayer in the HYIP ponzi arena only requires patience.

Lovin' it! Any way we can set that to music for the cheerleaders?:Fiddler:

[baylee]

Lovin' it! Any way we can set that to music for the cheerleaders?:Fiddler:

LOL, I like setting it to music for the pimps.

[baylee]

Only the usual suspects are posting "I got paid" in this scam at MMG, so I looked at TG and it's is the same ones posting there as MMG, Oh, and they did pick up one more at TG, DrDave/ken russo.

[The Dark Defender]

I dont care about the poeople there in mmg or tg they are good in saying blah2x in CA
I myself just let my sponsor do the thing she does im not gonna invest in this one a very funny program :P

[EagleOne]

So where did all the "I got paid" posts go? Seems the number posting have dwindled down to the usual suspects. Guess the paid signulps are falling so they had to extend the bonus for another month in hopes of getting enough new blood to keep this going a little longer.

It is just about time for all the "excuses" to begin on why payments are late, support tickets are back to not being answered, server issues, site down more than it is up; you know all the typical mantra these Ponzi's all use.

Going to be fun hearing Manolo explaining the collapse, as well as Ken, the pimp, Russo. Especially when Ken has said he is one of the first to call a program a scam. :RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

[The Dark Defender]

MATCHING BONUS CONTINUES THROUGH APRIL

Because of the overwhelming number of requests by members to extend the matching bonus we have decided to continue this program for another month for purchases of $250 and above. However, the total number of Asterios members can receive as a matching bonus has now been reduced from 3000 lifetime bonus Asterios to 2000 effective with April 1st. Naturally, all members who have received matching bonuses in the past in excess of 2000 are exempt from this new policy. As a reminder, for those members who wish to take advantage of the matching bonus before the end of March, the maximum lifetime matching bonus is still 3000 until March 31st.

Andrea Lucas
Managing Director

Lol very funny Asteria there extending the pain :D they want more victims

[Whip]

Oh yeah....they've got about 2 more months worth at this rate.

[baylee]

Oh yeah....they've got about 2 more months worth at this rate.

I didn't think they would make it out of March and judging by the number of "I got Paid posts" across the forums (all made by the same people) you called it pretty close.

[EagleOne]

Well, here's the latest BS from Andrea:

DETERMINED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
Posted on: 02-Apr-2011

We are determined to make a positive difference in each and every one of our member’s lives. We believe in each of our member’s power and ability to contribute something to the world’s betterment. Through hard work and sacrifice each of us can achieve the dream we have for a better life for everybody. Every day our entire staff works diligently to provide better and better benefits to our members. Our staff searches the globe for products and services that will enhance the lives of our members. Each day more and more educators, thought leaders and authors are contributing to our educational content made available to you. The wonderful thing is that our staff takes such great pride in the privilege of being able to serve and do all of this for our members. From our support staff to our marketing people to all of our product development team, the special task they have of serving our members is cherished and admirable. Take Advantage Of All The Resources At Your Fingertips

We live in a digital age. Through our entrepreneurial education program, combined with our e-commerce solution and utilizing our e-wallet, the opportunity is available for all members to help themselves.

Each member has the opportunity to take advantage of gaining knowledge and skills through our entrepreneurial education
Each member can make money through our e-commerce program
Each member can manage his/her finances through saving, managing and transferring their funds globally through our e-wallet
Each member can purchase or sell any of the products and services we have made available
Each member can share all of this with someone they believe would benefit from all of the above

By utilizing the above programs our members have the opportunity to work and pursue a higher purpose by not just participating in them for themselves but also to support millions of people around the world that desperately need our help. We can provide these programs, we can create and offer the best products available, we can introduce services that are the most cost effective in the market place, but without your help, none of the above will make a difference. We believe if you, the member, are given a chance, an opportunity, you will take advantage of it. We believe that you will follow the path of a higher purpose, learning and working not just for yourself, but for the good of your family and all people. You can’t challenge this concept of hard work. It is the only way to accomplish and prove your desire to be the best that you can be.

How Does The Revenue Sharing Work?

We have grown to over 220,000 members. Can you imagine the possibilities for all of us if we all work together? Our revenue share would be at the maximum amount each week if each of us just contributed the time and energy necessary to working on our own Club Asteria business. Our revenue is determined by the support and participation of each of our 220,000+ members. The revenue will go up or down depending on how many members actively take advantage of utilizing and/or selling any one of our programs or services. If anybody has told you something different, they are mistaken and incorrect. We share our revenue that is earned by our membership. There is no guarantee. It would be impossible to guarantee this. We can only share what is earned. To protect the integrity and vitality of the company, this is the only acceptable fiscal policy that we can have. We take very seriously our responsibility to remain financially solvent so that we can serve our membership for many, many years to come. Again, if somebody has told you something different, or you believe something different, you are incorrect.

This week our revenue went up, which means that more of our members participated and took advantage of utilizing or selling any one of our programs or services. This deserves our congratulation for a great effort to everyone!

Help Us To Help You

Our education system is a fabulous learning tool that is every day getting better. Our e-commerce solution is one of the finest e-marketing systems in the world. Our electronic wallet offered by our financial partners can make a great difference to you and your family. If you don’t utilize these programs and services and take advantage of everything that Club Asteria offers, you are not helping yourself. Our services are priceless, but only if you take advantage of them.

We are privileged to work for you and we hope that you feel privileged to be part of our Club that is striving to make a real difference for you and the rest of the world. When the revenue sharing is announced each week, remember that we are doing our part to bring about the best services and products you need to do your part as well to maintain the highest revenue sharing. We believe in our Club and all of our members and we know that together we can grow financially and be a vital force in setting an example for the world for many years to come.

Andrea Lucas
Managing Director

The short version: We need you to become a paid member, or this will come crashing down sooner than we planned.

The last-ditch matching bonus to continue through April is another prime example of this needing CASH, and needing it now to continue the charade. If they can limp through April look for another extension of the bonus for May. They are not attracting that many new "paying" members to keep this going much longer. If they hadn't continued the matching bonus for March, this would have already been toast. They are now at a membership level that is unstainable without 95% of them being payimg members. And the bulk of them would need to be gold members.

Andrea did make one comment that is true: "Our services are priceless." That's because you can get all of them for "free."

Look for all the standard excuses to begin very soon. At least this time Andrea didn't use "forced" or "mandated" to beg for paying members. Little consolation to those who are now joining and will lose their money. Heck these twits don't even realize the money they are getting back is just part of what they put in, but they call it being in profit.

[okosh]

The latest poop from Scam-Asteria....

I just love the first line....Which basically says, "Grab your ankles folks cos this ones almost over" :RpS_laugh:

[georgie]

The latest poop from Scam-Asteria....

I just love the first line....Which basically says, "Grab your ankles folks cos this ones almost over" :RpS_laugh:

hey ru okosh that stole a forum and then set up his own and then scammed his members and got kicked off ebay for scamming? Are you the same okosh talked about in the team earners or is it earning together threads at WWSNFORUMS?

[Soapboxmom]

hey ru okosh that stole a forum and then set up his own and then scammed his members and got kicked off ebay for scamming? Are you the same okosh talked about in the team earners or is it earning together threads at WWSNFORUMS?
Okosh, I see you have a fan club. Perhaps this clown would like to introduce himself to my fan club president at www.heatherdobrott.com (http://www.heatherdobrott.com). Mine can't put a truly coherent thought together or provide a shred of documentation either. Yikes!!!!

Soapboxmom

[baylee]

Patrick Pretty on this scam:

UPDATE: Club Asteria Now Said To Have 230,000 Members; ‘I Got Paid’ Posts Appear On Ponzi Boards; Press Releases Picked Up By Google News; Web Promos Stress ‘Passive’ Earnings

Link:

UPDATE: Club Asteria Now Said To Have 230,000 Members; ‘I Got Paid’ Posts Appear On Ponzi Boards; Press Releases Picked Up By Google News; Web Promos Stress ‘Passive’ Earnings (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2011/04/04/update-club-asteria-now-said-to-have-230000-members-i-got-paid-posts-appear-on-ponzi-boards-press-releases-picked-up-by-google-news-web-promos-stress-passive-earnings/)

[okosh]

Okosh, I see you have a fan club.

Yes of course I do....And they are devoted :RpS_laugh:

History shows that where I go my fan club and the traffic they bring follows....

Since "the club is always bigger then the individual" and since I wouldn't want to harm your great forum if it becomes too much of a problem then for the good of the forum I'll respectfully (and with regret) say my good bye's...


Perhaps this clown would like to introduce himself to my fan club president at www.heatherdobrott.com (http://www.heatherdobrott.com). Mine can't put a truly coherent thought together or provide a shred of documentation either. Yikes!!!!

Soapboxmom

LOL....This clown would fit in rather nicely there....
Maybe I should get me a site like that :RpS_laugh:

[littleroundman]

Since "the club is always bigger then the individual" and since I wouldn't want to harm your great forum if it becomes too much of a problem then for the good of the forum I'll respectfully (and with regret) say my good bye's...

Yeah,

"georgie" is as much of a "problem" as a solitary flea at a dog show or a single ant at a picnic

It may be bloody annoying, but no one is likely to pack up and go home because of it.

[okosh]

Yeah,

"georgie" is as much of a "problem" as a solitary flea at a dog show or a single ant at a picnic

It may be bloody annoying, but no one is likely to pack up and go home because of it.

I agree with you LRM......But I'm sure you understood my post more so then others and the point I was making :RpS_wink:

[baylee]

LOL, It is simply amazing to me that a pimp takes offense at being called a pimp and reports someone at MMG.

[laidback]

LOL, It is simply amazing to me that a pimp takes offense at being called a pimp and reports someone at MMG.

Maybe he'd prefer "referral wh*re"? LOL

[EagleOne]

LOL, It is simply amazing to me that a pimp takes offense at being called a pimp and reports someone at MMG.

Maybe someone should remind him that the name fits as someone is going to get "screwed." :RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

[littleroundman]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/ClubAsteria-2.jpg

Will all those members who chose "server problems" as the excuse which will be used when this one shuts down please have their tickets handy.

[baylee]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/ClubAsteria-2.jpg

Will all those members who chose "server problems" as the excuse which will be used when this one shuts down please have their tickets handy.

LOL, the first of many excuses to come.

[georgie]

Okosh, I see you have a fan club. Perhaps this clown would like to introduce himself to my fan club president at www.heatherdobrott.com (http://www.heatherdobrott.com). Mine can't put a truly coherent thought together or provide a shred of documentation either. Yikes!!!!

Soapboxmom

Clown or not you might notice that I did not make statement, I asked a couple of questions regarding Okosh's identity, silence being the loud reply. Nuff said?:RpS_smile:

[georgie]

Yeah,

"georgie" is as much of a "problem" as a solitary flea at a dog show or a single ant at a picnic

It may be bloody annoying, but no one is likely to pack up and go home because of it.

No problem at this end at any rate but wouldn't you agree that just as a would be investor is entitled to know about the background of someone he is going to trust his money with, it is just as important to know the history of someone who attempts to give you conflicting advice? I think this is even more important given the recent revelations concerning Barry Minkow. For all anyone knows, Littleroundman, you Okosh or any other scambuster could be up to the same dirty tricks as Minkow. After all, the easiest way to get free publicity for a fledgling scam is to start a thread about it at a anti-scam forum.:RpS_wink:

[littleroundman]

No problem at this end at any rate but wouldn't you agree that just as a would be investor is entitled to know about the background of someone he is going to trust his money with, it is just as important to know the history of someone who attempts to give you conflicting advice? I think this is even more important given the recent revelations concerning Barry Minkow. For all anyone knows, Littleroundman, you Okosh or any other scambuster could be up to the same dirty tricks as Minkow. After all, the easiest way to get free publicity for a fledgling scam is to start a thread about it at a anti-scam forum.:RpS_wink:

Your point is entirely valid.

For all anyone knows, the members of the forum could be mass murderers, or, even worse, park in "no parking" zones and cheat on their taxes.

None of which makes any difference to the fact "Club Asteria" is a HYIP ponzi game on its' last legs.

AND, what's more, anyone who has read this thread now knows it, and can then make their own decisions whether to participate in the "game" or not.

Have a look around the forum.

There's not a "compulsory" button in sight.

All there is here is information, readers are free to with that information what they will.

(BTW, try as hard as I might, I just can't seem to figure out a way to short sell stock in Club Asteria.)

[georgie]

Littleroundman said:

"BTW, try as hard as I might, I just can't seem to figure out a way to short sell stock in Club Asteria."
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No perhaps not but I doubt that it is beyond your or Okosh's capabilities to figure out how to shake down the likes of Andrea Lucas if you so wished. Given Okosh's past recent history that is well documented at both TG and WWSN I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was mixed up in that sort of dirty trick or another. A dirty trick is still a dirty trick by any other name

[baylee]

Littleroundman said:

"BTW, try as hard as I might, I just can't seem to figure out a way to short sell stock in Club Asteria."
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No perhaps not but I doubt that it is beyond your or Okosh's capabilities to figure out how to shake down the likes of Andrea Lucas if you so wished.

I only hope the authorities shake down Andrea Lucas and her fellow scammers and give them some serious jail time. I keep sending posts to IC3 in the hope that they light up the authorities radar. I have to send them fast now as this scam is on it's wobbly last legs.

[EagleOne]

Littleroundman said:

"BTW, try as hard as I might, I just can't seem to figure out a way to short sell stock in Club Asteria."
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No perhaps not but I doubt that it is beyond your or Okosh's capabilities to figure out how to shake down the likes of Andrea Lucas if you so wished. Given Okosh's past recent history that is well documented at both TG and WWSN I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was mixed up in that sort of dirty trick or another. A dirty trick is still a dirty trick by any other name

This has to be true since it is on the Internet and on TG and WWSN. And we all know that no-one on TG or WWSN would ever lie. :RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

[littleroundman]

24 hours between Club Asteria "I got paid" posts on Talkgold.

C'mon shills, you're letting the team down here,

get with the game and make up more stories about how Club Asteria is helping save the whales, promote world peace and cure ingrown toenails without any verifiable sources of income and all the while paying its' members 4% a day interest.

Any bets on CA not making it to Easter ???

[littleroundman]

No perhaps not but I doubt that it is beyond your or Okosh's capabilities to figure out how to shake down the likes of Andrea Lucas if you so wished.

HeHeHe,

the hardest part about shaking down the likes of a two bit HYIP ponzi promoter like the good "Ms Parker" would be picking a day when she had more than a coupla hundred bucks to her name.

Are you seriously suggesting she made any "real money" out of this pig before it went belly up ???

This has been strictly a HYIP ponzi player only game from the start.

AdSurf Daily or 12 Daily Pro it ain't.

[georgie]

This has to be true since it is on the Internet and on TG and WWSN. And we all know that no-one on TG or WWSN would ever lie. :RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

Yeah well for the chairman of a research company of the calibre of eagle it should be childs play to check it out. Nevertheless I will give you a starter for ten. Try EBAY member okosh 3466 for some interesting feedback. Of course Okosh is in good company here, there is another poster on this site who has, at least in the recent past been involved in warez sites and other less than salubrious activities.

[littleroundman]

AND ????

That alters the facts surrounding Club Asteria how, exactly ???

Lets have some evidence here,

you have evidence, I presume ??

I'd hate to think you're relying on the word of yet ANOTHER anonymous internet poster/posters in an attempt to destroy the credibility of those who would criticize Club Asteria.

Nah, you wouldn't do that, now, would you ???

Names, dates, verification, police reports.........anything along those lines will do.

[EagleOne]

Yeah well for the chairman of a research company of the calibre of eagle it should be childs play to check it out. Nevertheless I will give you a starter for ten. Try EBAY member okosh 3466 for some interesting feedback. Of course Okosh is in good company here, there is another poster on this site who has, at least in the recent past been involved in warez sites and other less than salubrious activities.

You really shouldn't go around "assuming" we haven't. But as LRM has so correctly pointed out, what's your proof for all you are claiming was true about Okosh, and what does that have to do with CA being real or not?

The scammers playbook always says when you can't argue the facts about a program, always attack and try to discredit the messenger.

Once you have provided the answers, with proof, to LRM's questions, there is really nothing to disucss about this matter. I am looking forward to your providing proof for all your claims.

But a lame attempt trying to obfiscate the issue regarding CA. But you'all come back ya hear. Just bring proof when you do.

[laidback]

Yeah well for the chairman of a research company of the calibre of eagle it should be childs play to check it out. Nevertheless I will give you a starter for ten. Try EBAY member okosh 3466 for some interesting feedback. Of course Okosh is in good company here, there is another poster on this site who has, at least in the recent past been involved in warez sites and other less than salubrious activities.

...and this is relevant to the legitimacy of Club Asteria how...? BTW, I've been wondering if you are "Georgie Porgy" of nursery rhyme fame, or "Georgy Porgy" the dysfunctional priest from Roald Dahl's short story?

[EagleOne]

In the just too funny category comes 10bucksup whining that the pimps are being intimidated by their being called "pimps." :RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

Then we have Stros trying to play ignorant about CA no longer appearing in his signature, and the other idiots are trying to claim they have no clue what that means, makes for a laugh a minute over at MMG.

Also seems a lot not happy with the low payout this week. With Russo gone, Stros and others having removed promoting it in their sig line this will be lucky to last to Easter. The matching bonus did not bring in the money they thought it would, so now they are trying to inflate the numbers to give the appearances they are still growing rapidly when they are tanking.

I can't wait to hear all the excuses that are soon going to be forthcoming on why they are not paying, and the typical "never invest more than you can afford to lose," and all the other BS mantra that will be coming.

Actually I am hoping the feds move on them first. Let's see how brave Stros is then if they do. What a total idiot. He hasn't even learned how to lie well, and the rules of the scammers playbook. A Russo wannabe.

[scratchycat]

This was posted in the "Complaints forum" about Club Asteria in defence of others telling the truth.

Mar 29, 2011 by manikumar 444
club asteria is awesome program its helping the poor people to get out of thair financial problems. just join it only with 20$ (1000 rupees)

This is manikumar From mandapeta
click the link below (please please dont miss the chance)

http://club-asteria.com/member/register?refid=150762

Call me or mail me friends for doubts
manikumar
+91-7702145407

Went to the referral site and Internet Explorer cannot display this page.

Another couple of identities popped up and here is the last post April 5th
CONTACT: 09494776607- RAGHURAM

Apr 5, 2011 by verma ranjeet
Dear Friend

You will never find any opportunity better than this, Club Asteria is
helping people to get their dreams come true, There is no requirement
of Recruiting or Sponsoring or Referring any body. Just be a member
and follow the instructions to become Financial Free and Retire in 16
to 18 months of time.

Don't Ignore it and Miss this Powerful Income Opportunity, To see the
potential of Earning from club asteria, Just visit this link and get a
clear Idea about the earnings in Club Asteria without any Referring.

This is a paid program. You pay Rs 1000 ($20) per month for 18
months. After 18 months you will be paid Rs 80, 000 ($1600) Per month.
This is the most popular program in India and Abroad. A lot of people
are earning from home. Check the website for Testimonies.



http://www.club-asteria.com/index?refid=95285 (Joining Link)
If you have any doubts, please let me know.

Best Regards

RANJEET VERMA
+91-9971315674


Indian Consumer Complaints (http://www.consumercomplaints.in/complaints/512832/page/2)

Another interesting point is, you are supposed to TRUST these identities that have only a name and lists as India. lol

Must be in trouble as all of you state.

[laidback]

In the just too funny category comes 10bucksup whining that the pimps are being intimidated by their being called "pimps." :RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

Then we have Stros trying to play ignorant about CA no longer appearing in his signature, and the other idiots are trying to claim they have no clue what that means, makes for a laugh a minute over at MMG.

Also seems a lot not happy with the low payout this week. With Russo gone, Stros and others having removed promoting it in their sig line this will be lucky to last to Easter. The matching bonus did not bring in the money they thought it would, so now they are trying to inflate the numbers to give the appearances they are still growing rapidly when they are tanking.

I can't wait to hear all the excuses that are soon going to be forthcoming on why they are not paying, and the typical "never invest more than you can afford to lose," and all the other BS mantra that will be coming.

Actually I am hoping the feds move on them first. Let's see how brave Stros is then if they do. What a total idiot. He hasn't even learned how to lie well, and the rules of the scammers playbook. A Russo wannabe.
LOL, they are getting really entertaining at MMG. I particularly like when they have no adequate response to start crying for a mod to protect them. Sort of past pathetic...!:Fiddler:

[laidback]

This was posted in the "Complaints forum" about Club Asteria in defence of others telling the truth.

Went to the referral site and Internet Explorer cannot display this page.

Another couple of identities popped up and here is the last post April 5th

Indian Consumer Complaints (http://www.consumercomplaints.in/complaints/512832/page/2)

Another interesting point is, you are supposed to TRUST these identities that have only a name and lists as India. lol

Must be in trouble as all of you state.

That is SOP with most participants in these scams,sending cash to an anonymous admin,running an anonymous"program" from an undisclosed location.

[baylee]

LOL, they are getting really entertaining at MMG. I particularly like when they have no adequate response to start crying for a mod to protect them. Sort of past pathetic...!:Fiddler:

LOL, 10pucksup is hilarious in his whining and crying to mods.

[baylee]

In the just too funny category comes 10bucksup whining that the pimps are being intimidated by their being called "pimps." :RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

Then we have Stros trying to play ignorant about CA no longer appearing in his signature, and the other idiots are trying to claim they have no clue what that means, makes for a laugh a minute over at MMG.

Also seems a lot not happy with the low payout this week. With Russo gone, Stros and others having removed promoting it in their sig line this will be lucky to last to Easter. The matching bonus did not bring in the money they thought it would, so now they are trying to inflate the numbers to give the appearances they are still growing rapidly when they are tanking.

I can't wait to hear all the excuses that are soon going to be forthcoming on why they are not paying, and the typical "never invest more than you can afford to lose," and all the other BS mantra that will be coming.

Actually I am hoping the feds move on them first. Let's see how brave Stros is then if they do. What a total idiot. He hasn't even learned how to lie well, and the rules of the scammers playbook. A Russo wannabe.

LOL, My New favorite post! I am still cleaning up my computer screen.

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This is for 10bucksup: Wah,Wah, Wah, Wah. Mommy make them stop. They are calling me bad names. Wah, Wah, Wah, Wah. They are intimidating me and I'm afraid to post anymore. They aren't playing nice. They need a time out so come and rescue me. Wah, Wah, Wah, Wah.

[baylee]

LOL, My New favorite post! I am still cleaning up my computer screen.

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This is for 10bucksup: Wah,Wah, Wah, Wah. Mommy make them stop. They are calling me bad names. Wah, Wah, Wah, Wah. They are intimidating me and I'm afraid to post anymore. They aren't playing nice. They need a time out so come and rescue me. Wah, Wah, Wah, Wah.

Sorry, I forgot to give a link:

Club Asteria Scam - Page 9 - WORLD Law Direct Forums (http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/internet-hyip-scams/48368-club-asteria-scam-9.html)

[laidback]

LOL, My New favorite post! I am still cleaning up my computer screen.

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This is for 10bucksup: Wah,Wah, Wah, Wah. Mommy make them stop. They are calling me bad names. Wah, Wah, Wah, Wah. They are intimidating me and I'm afraid to post anymore. They aren't playing nice. They need a time out so come and rescue me. Wah, Wah, Wah, Wah.

LOL, need to ask him if he would like some cheese with that whine...!

[EagleOne]

Where did Georgie go? I thought he would have posted all of his "Proof" by now. They way he was talking he sounded like he had it all ready to post, since he was stating it as "facts."

[littleroundman]

Unfortunately, and to no ones' surprise, "georgie" was not content with just being "georgie" and consequently won't be returning to share his wit and wisdom any time soon.

[okosh]

LOL, need to ask him if he would like some cheese with that whine...!

10bucksup is a twit but that Stroz is a moron....He don't even realize that Ken has abandoned ship and left him to sink....

[laidback]

Unfortunately, and to no ones' surprise, "georgie" was not content with just being "georgie" and consequently won't be returning to share his wit and wisdom any time soon.

Oh, My! Don't tell me he was caught cross-dressing in MPD undies...?

[scratchycat]

One of my 'friends' who has been promoting Club Asteria has dropped it from his ads in signature. He is one I asked about it. Must be sinking quick!!

[okosh]

One of my 'friends' who has been promoting Club Asteria has dropped it from his ads in signature. He is one I asked about it. Must be sinking quick!!

This one is dead....Even the reff-whores are jumping ship.....Any deposit now is a "donation"....

[littleroundman]

I guess the current state of Club Asteria clears up the only real doubt there's been surrounding CA since it hit the Talkgold and MMG HYIP ponzi boards:

"is this gonna end in a bang or a whimper"

[baylee]

I guess the current state of Club Asteria clears up the only real doubt there's been surrounding CA since it hit the Talkgold and MMG HYIP ponzi boards:

"is this gonna end in a bang or a whimper"

I was hoping for a Bang but it is looking to me to go out with a whimper.

[baylee]

10bucksup is a twit but that Stroz is a moron....He don't even realize that Ken has abandoned ship and left him to sink....

Stroes is getting desperate now, LOL

[The Dark Defender]

In the just too funny category comes 10bucksup whining that the pimps are being intimidated by their being called "pimps." :RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

Then we have Stros trying to play ignorant about CA no longer appearing in his signature, and the other idiots are trying to claim they have no clue what that means, makes for a laugh a minute over at MMG.

Also seems a lot not happy with the low payout this week. With Russo gone, Stros and others having removed promoting it in their sig line this will be lucky to last to Easter. The matching bonus did not bring in the money they thought it would, so now they are trying to inflate the numbers to give the appearances they are still growing rapidly when they are tanking.

I can't wait to hear all the excuses that are soon going to be forthcoming on why they are not paying, and the typical "never invest more than you can afford to lose," and all the other BS mantra that will be coming.

Actually I am hoping the feds move on them first. Let's see how brave Stros is then if they do. What a total idiot. He hasn't even learned how to lie well, and the rules of the scammers playbook. A Russo wannabe.

I love to see there crying faces when it comes. fire crackers are comming to an end here as they are giving out weird
news..

[EagleOne]

OK, now you have done it. You have deeply hurt 10bucksup's feelings by calling the promoter's of this scam pimps. Shame on all of you for making 10bucksup cry. Where is your sensitivity, compassion, and concern for your fellow man? I am shocked you would stoop so low as to call him, and those like him, a PIMP.

So 10bucksup this is for you: :RpS_flapper::RpS_flapper::RpS_flapper::RpS_flappe r: WIMP!

[The Dark Defender]

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I sincerely believe this program is not a scam. If I know it is a scam, I would never spend even a second promoting it to anybody.

This forum is about Club Asteria, not about forum participants being judged as scammer or not.

ohw he's going to cry soon very soon


285,789 members in Club-Asteria!
This member joined about 12 hours
ago.

14,000 to reach 300,000 members.

their very own strosdegoz a.k.a "Intelligent MoneyMaker" poor in math also :RpS_thumbdn:

[littleroundman]

Uh Oh,

who was it said that thing about small rodents deserting sinking ships ????

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/ClubAsteria001.jpg

Same ol', same ol'

Holy last days, Batman

[baylee]

Uh Oh,

who was it said that thing about small rodents deserting sinking ships ????

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/ClubAsteria001.jpg

Same ol', same ol'

Holy last days, Batman

The Latest from MMG (10pucksup) As you said "Holy last Days Batman"

10BucksUp

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It seems the payments are delayed today. I have not yet received it.

Anybody who have received their payments already?

[laidback]

Not to worry, just a minor speed-bump on the way to oblivion...:

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post Today, 01:32 AM
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Nope, I guess no one has so far!

[Whip]

They haven't realized yet that just because you say there are 'x' numbers of members doesn't automatically put money in the bank.
Life isn't really a State Farm commercial (that may only be a stateside joke).

[littleroundman]

You'd have to think things aren't lookin' good for Club Asteria when even the usual suspect cheerleaders aren't being paid:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/10Bucks001.jpg