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E2014T
08-23-2015, 07:04 AM
Well, I'll be damned - something that at least looks legitimate:

https://www.teambeachbody.com

Thoughts, criticism?

ribshaw
08-23-2015, 10:01 AM
I will give them credit for making their earnings disclaimer easy to find. In 2008, 85% of affiliates average $550 gross per year. In 2012, 71% gross an average of $474 per year. As a buying club or if an affiliate barely has to lift a finger that's not bad. Much more than 40 hours and any expenses puts that in the category of any other MLM and the participant in the red.

Lazy people aside, I am not convinced most people with some sales and people skills that get out and hustle can't do much better financially in anything other than MLM.


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http://www.teambeachbody.com/en_US/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=083efb1b-ca9a-41ad-8893-a4800fbf56dc&groupId=27914284

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http://www.teambeachbody.com/home/-/dl_get_file/726c8a0a-09ae-444d-bc94-843ee8e06d7f

ribshaw
08-23-2015, 10:31 AM
This warning on EBAY got me thinking.


Beachbody programmes are some of the most counterfeited DVD's ever produced, we have a right to protect our brand and because eBay has the propensity to have a high rate of counterfeit products sold on the platform, we work with eBay to monitor their platform closely to protect our company and the eBay community. Selling your genuine used Beachbody products on eBay | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/gds/Selling-your-genuine-used-Beachbody-products-on-eBay-/10000000176070262/g.html)


A few months back I bought a set of CDs off EBAY, not for BeachBody gave up on that dream years ago. I think they might have been pirated, listened to them once and on the shelf they went. The guy who did the CDs is on the seminar circuit and has done books and tapes for years. His big profit I would guess is when he or a member of this team sells stuff at retail after a seminar, plus mentoring. Having a few things counterfeited probably doesn't make him warm and fuzzy, but since all his stuff goes begging for a buyer on EBAY how much effort does he put in stopping it?

Conversely if a BeachBody IBO is making money from recruiting others for autoship counterfeits maybe not much of an issue. But to buy for resale I dunno, not only does an affiliate have competition from other sellers, but from fakers at the swap meet?


Good luck unloading your bobblehead at list against some cheap Cambodian knock-off.

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team beachbody | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=team+beachbody&_sacat=0&_from=R40)

ribshaw
08-23-2015, 03:52 PM
I got a Webroot warning when I clicked LazyMan's website so not sure what is going on there. Have used the site many times without any problems that I am aware of and he does excellent reviews. Although decidedly anti-MLM but then so am I for the same reasons I suspect:


"To summarize, it seems like Shakeology tastes so terrible that you need to mask it with a plethora of other ingredients. It is so expensive that the pricing at a restaurant is famous in a movie for being outrageous. Shakeology may be healthy for a shake, but shakes aren’t healthy to begin with. It misrepresents itself as a meal replacement when it is really nothing of the sort at only 140 calories. In only becomes a meal replacement when you add the other ingredients… at which point you might as well just had the meal."

Beachbody Bummer has a great chart about how absurd Shakeology pricing is... Pricing for 200 calories: Slimfast is $0.63, Ensure is $1.03, GNC Total Lean is 2.36, Shakeology is $6.66. Yikes!"

Is Beachbody's Shakeology a Scam? - Lazy Man and Money (http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/beachbody-shakeology-scam/)

Personally I'm not a big fan of the taste or preparation of meal replacement shakes. There's one brand of protein bar I like that has about 400 calories and 30g of protein. Others, meh. Prices just went up, a bar might cost $2.50 in bulk. I like to snack on one while driving to Taco Bell to take the edge off. So I may be the wrong one to ask on the taste/quality of the BB shakes. As a "business" $6.66 for a shake seems like a tough sell unless drinkers get to stop exercising and eat whatever the hell they want the rest of the day.

ribshaw
08-23-2015, 03:55 PM
This seems spot on as well. Lots of claims coming out of the the supplement industry, very little hard data to back it up.


"Pay for substance, not for brand. The science behind nutritional health is the same, no matter what brand is on the label. If Beachbody’s health claims are not backed by FDA evaluation, why should you believe that Beachbody is any better than other brands that have the same active ingredients? Dr. Stephen Barrett, a long time consumer advocate, says that MLM supplement companies often get their raw ingredients from the same bulk wholesaler and simply put them into a branded package, we don’t know whether Beachbody does this." Why Pay More? Beachbody Alternatives | Beachbody Bummer (http://www.beachbodybummer.org/why-pay-more-beachbody-alternatives-2/)


Then again, this opp does have bobbleheads and who doesn't want that?

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littleroundman
08-23-2015, 09:22 PM
Unfortunately for TeamBeachBody, any question of its' legitimacy just went out the window.

Serial pyramid scheme pimps Tony Rush, Randy Schrum, John Lavenia and their Home Business Labs cronies appear to have have moved on from Dubli and are ramming TBB down their members' throats as their "next-big-thing"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m_BtzmVLe9w

Stand by for a sudden increase in signups before Home Business Labs take their commission, dump TBB and move on to the next "opportunity"

E2014T
08-24-2015, 09:53 AM
Interesting, but the involvement of pimps isn't an indicator of legitimacy in and of itself. They have to pimp some legitimate products to sustain credibility with their downlines.

ribshaw
08-24-2015, 12:32 PM
They have to pimp some legitimate products to sustain credibility with their downlines.

You should buy a pack of shakes and let us know how they taste. http://www.amazon.com/Shakeology-Vanilla-Servings-bulk-BAG/product-reviews/B00IJ4LM4M/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm/175-2933745-2892845?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending Then 90 days of P90X Workout DVDs and Equipment | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/bhp/p90x) followed by 60 days of http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2053587.m570.l1311.R1.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.Xin sanity+.TRS0&_nkw=insanity+workout&_sacat=0

And none of the fakeo stuff slacker...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq2mrUeEhFo

I don't know that I would call legitimacy of products into question with most MLMs except in the context of outlandish health claims and/or price versus alternatives. The warehouse club where I shop has a whole isle of protein shakes, bars, and vitamins. I could buy a months supply of shakes for $30. To believe the business claims, I would have to be convinced that I could walk into the parking lot and sell that same supply for $130 to a cadre of eager buyers. Or that there was $100 of magical medical value in any MLM shake over what is readily available as a lowly customer a zillion other places.

Same with P90X and Insanity I get winded just watching, certainly great workouts. How many people are going to buy new versus used on EBAY? Enough to call it a business of your own?

Lastly, what are the qualifications of the "coaches" in any of these programs? Anything more clinically or academically rigorous than my upline says?


Interesting, but the involvement of pimps isn't an indicator of legitimacy in and of itself.

Sure, but why listen to a group of people that continually earn referral commissions being wrong? At some point ever ask if these people have any competence beyond padding their own bank accounts?


There is a lot of blather on the videos and websites about why Beachbody (insert MLM here) is not a Pyramid Scheme. Applying the Koscot test to almost any that are out there we can see many are cleverly disguised by eliminating commissions for referral only(3). Maybe a small membership fee that goes right to the company and of course those that plug in will want a starter kit that likely has the commission attached.:RpS_wink:

Now most of these schemes don't get shut down, but then again most participants don't make any money either. Are these pimps turning prospects into entrepreneurs or their customers in what looks an awful lot like a Pyramid?


A (MLM) Skeptic: MLM Dictionary: Koscot Test (http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2014/01/mlm-dictionary-koscot-test.html)

(1) Payment of money to the company;
(2) The participant receives the right to sell a product (or service);
(3) The participant receives compensation for recruiting others into the program;
(4) The compensation is unrelated to the sale of products (or services) to the ultimate user.

E2014T
08-24-2015, 01:11 PM
I'm not a fan of shakes, but P90X was the best thing I've ever done for myself years ago. I regret not keeping up with it (all the usual excuses), but the energy from the workout was incredible. That's why I started the thread in the first place.

E2014T
08-24-2015, 01:47 PM
Enough to call it a business of your own?
Not a business, but if someone is serious about getting in shape, it could cover their original expenses on the products. The company wins and the participants win. Of course if all people do is pimp products without using them, they can make more money, but that's about as honest as pimping a straight up illegal scheme.

ribshaw
08-24-2015, 08:14 PM
I'm not a fan of shakes, but P90X was the best thing I've ever done for myself years ago. I regret not keeping up with it (all the usual excuses), but the energy from the workout was incredible. That's why I started the thread in the first place.

I've gone through my share of home exercise equipment or as I like to call it caloric clothes racks.



Not a business, but if someone is serious about getting in shape, it could cover their original expenses on the products. The company wins and the participants win.

Yes, but not everyone can cover their original expenses and there lies the problem. Which means that everyone that doesn't recruit 2 that recruit 2 overpaid to subsidize those at the top of the pyramid. The company wins, very few participants win.

Plus we still have all this ridiculousness...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BpOeabi6nU

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If it was a few knowledgeable people selling products/services to people that were serious or thought they were serious about getting in shape that is more win/win in my opinion.



Of course if all people do is pimp products without using them, they can make more money, but that's about as honest as pimping a straight up illegal scheme.

Convincing a constant stream of recruits to do autoship and attend the functions for 2 to 5 years so they can retire on a beach with a massive residual income. Isn't that the problem with the bulk of the MLM industry that they never seem to address?

Whip
08-24-2015, 08:19 PM
so......what would be the excuse for me being in shape while NOT taking any of this voodoo crap?
It presents quite the conundrum.

ribshaw
08-24-2015, 08:25 PM
so......what would be the excuse for me being in shape while NOT taking any of this voodoo crap?
It presents quite the conundrum.

Maybe the J.O.B where you slave away has a gym on site so they can keep you there longer?

Why does Whip hate capitalism and the American dream that only MLM can provide is the better question.

Whip
08-24-2015, 08:42 PM
Maybe the J.O.B where you slave away has a gym on site so they can keep you there longer?

can't be. clearly the scammer finix demonstrated it HAD to be the voodoo shake and not the working out.


Why does Whip hate capitalism and the American dream that only MLM can provide is the better question.

because I'm a dick.

littleroundman
08-25-2015, 02:20 AM
Any discussion about the quality and efficacy of the "product" becomes secondary to the fact Team Beach Body:

1) continues to allow questions about the pyramid / endless chain recruitment aspect of its' operation to remain unanswered.

and

2) not only allows, but welcomes with open arms, the notorious "hit and run" recruitment oriented Tony Rush and Co "Home Business Labs" to be associated with Team Beach Body

Setting aside the (il)legal aspects of what HBL has done, from the viewpoint of a "genuine" potential member, the arrival of Tony Rush, Randy Schrum, John Lavenia and their Home Business Labs cronies throws up a giant red flag WRT the long term credibility and viability of TBB.

Unless, of course, said potential new members are only interested in the endless chain recruiting potential provided by the TBB compensation plan, in which case, they will feel completely at home.

E2014T
08-25-2015, 04:26 AM
Some good discussion here. Thanks to everyone for input.

EthanVanderbuilt
08-25-2015, 11:21 AM
Team Beachbody is just another business opportunity recruiting scam. Their coaches have almost no requirements and are MLM sales people. They require increasing personal volume as you advance in rank in the compensation plan. Recruiting is required to advance in rank in the compensation plan. There are many reports of difficulty in canceling your auto-shipment orders and monthly coach fees. There is little opportunity to make a significant income retailing the Team Beachbody products. I would avoid the Team Beachbody business opportunity.

ribshaw
08-25-2015, 12:14 PM
This video is worth watching if looking at the opportunity side of things.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ2MJhLiGJ4

Body Builders make pretty good scambusters.

Avoid the beachbody/ p90x/ insanity scam... - Bodybuilding.com Forums (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=135061811)

Whip
08-25-2015, 12:20 PM
how are these people so proud of the cheap baubles and not utterly embarrassed? again, just like going to the dentist when you're a kid and getting to pick a 'ring' when you were done.

E2014T
08-25-2015, 02:14 PM
Fat feminine looking dude fired by the company does not a critic make, but potential buyers should hear all sides.

E2014T
08-25-2015, 02:29 PM
Body Builders make pretty good scambusters.
Body builders are like yoga gurus - you either live that lifestyle or you don't. If you do, the rest of your life is secondary to that main consideration. Beachbody is for normal people with medium to high income who want to get in shape celebrity style.

path2prosperity
08-25-2015, 02:56 PM
Any discussion about the quality and efficacy of the "product" becomes secondary to the fact Team Beach Body:

1) continues to allow questions about the pyramid / endless chain recruitment aspect of its' operation to remain unanswered.

and

2) not only allows, but welcomes with open arms, the notorious "hit and run" recruitment oriented Tony Rush and Co "Home Business Labs" to be associated with Team Beach Body

Setting aside the (il)legal aspects of what HBL has done, from the viewpoint of a "genuine" potential member, the arrival of Tony Rush, Randy Schrum, John Lavenia and their Home Business Labs cronies throws up a giant red flag WRT the long term credibility and viability of TBB.

Unless, of course, said potential new members are only interested in the endless chain recruiting potential provided by the TBB compensation plan, in which case, they will feel completely at home.

I was unfamiliar with all this so I Googled Home Business labs Adlandpro and found that it linked to their traffic exchange where the product is typical adlandpro. Have a guess what"
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E2014T
08-25-2015, 03:08 PM
I was unfamiliar with all this so I Googled Home Business labs Adlandpro and found that it linked to their traffic exchange where the product is typical adlandpro. Have a guess what"
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PENISADVANTAGE - NATURAL REMEDY
This is an award winning program & has helped thousands of people worldwide. This program will show you how to lengthening your erection, thickening of your erection, get a fuller, thicker, & bigger head, develop rock hard erection, end premature ejaculation have powerful multiple organism for you & her, increase sexual ejaculation & fire off like cannon. Your full confidence as a man will be restored with penis advantage for further info. Email me at enemartha22@gmail.com or click on the link below.

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Judy, you are a good person, but you are about as good as Festa when it comes to being on topic. Start another thread about your problems/concerns. You are about as qualified to talk about Beachbody as your friend Whip. Both of you should direct you attention else, and let the others discuss.

path2prosperity
08-25-2015, 03:14 PM
Judy, you are a good person, but you are about as good as Festa when it comes to being on topic. Start another thread about your problems/concerns. You are about as qualified to talk about Beachbody as your friend Whip. Both of you should direct you attention else, and let the others discuss.

I was interested to see who was behind Home Business Labs and what was the nature of the three people whom LRM was discussing in the thread. I found it as most insalubrious characters and their product line can be found on Adlandpro

E2014T
08-25-2015, 03:20 PM
I found it as most insalubrious characters and their product line can be found on Adlandpro
Girl, the best criminal minds have used and pimped the standard financial system. They don't have any other choice. It doesn't make the system wrong, only the people gaming it.

ribshaw
08-25-2015, 04:03 PM
Fat feminine looking dude fired by the company does not a critic make, but potential buyers should hear all sides.

Insolence shall be sanctioned with video 2 of 3.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW9eUeHnURw

How can someone be "fired" if it's their own business?



Body builders are like yoga gurus - you either live that lifestyle or you don't. If you do, the rest of your life is secondary to that main consideration. Beachbody is for normal people with medium to high income who want to get in shape celebrity style.

Some bodybuilders apparently are also able to do the clean and jerk with nonsense that is endless recruiting. The comments I read were not panning the workout, but the MLM component of Beachbody.

Whip
08-25-2015, 05:32 PM
these horseshit excuses to be in a scam are riot.

E2014T
08-26-2015, 01:16 AM
these horseshit excuses to be in a scam are riot.
They are better than most pimps will give you. FYI: I'm not in it. I found the ad in my spam folder and posted it here for discussion. Now we have covered all bases.

ribshaw
08-26-2015, 10:24 AM
Now we have covered all bases.

We're not done are we?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlU2htzzflk


Any thoughts on any of this? Seems the company is holding people out to be "coaches" and is plenty happy to cash their checks. Beyond that, customers and affiliates alike get the Sgt Schultz.


Indemnification

We will not be responsible, or liable to any third party, for the content or accuracy of any materials posted by you or any other user of the Sites



You agree to indemnify and hold harmless Beachbody, its parents, subsidiaries, shareholders, officers, directors, employees, agents, and suppliers from any claim, action, demand, loss, or damages (including attorneys' fees) made or incurred by any third party arising out of or relating to your use of the Site, your violation of these Terms and Conditions, or your violation of any rights of a third party.

Beachbody Terms of Use - beachbody.com (http://www.beachbody.com/product/about_us/terms_of_use.do)


Disclaimer of Warranties

YOU EXPRESSLY AGREE THAT USE OF THE SITES AND OTHER PRODUCTS AND SERVICES OF BEACHBODY IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK. YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE SITES AND THE INFORMATION, SERVICES, PRODUCTS, AND MATERIALS AVAILABLE THROUGH IT AND OTHERWISE ARE PROVIDED ON AN "AS-IS" AND "AS-AVAILABLE" BASIS.

YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BEACHBODY DOES NOT CONTROL IN ANY RESPECT ANY ADVERTISEMENTS, PRODUCT DESCRIPTIONS, PRODUCTS, OR CONTENT OFFERED BY THIRD PARTIES ON OR THROUGH THE SITES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, INFORMATION OR PRODUCTS PROVIDED BY LICENSE TO BEACHBODY FROM THIRD PARTIES. EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE AGREED IN WRITING, BEACHBODY AND ITS AFFILIATES ASSUME NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR AND MAKE NO WARRANTY OR REPRESENTATION AS TO THE ACCURACY, CURRENCY, COMPLETENESS, RELIABILITY, OR USEFULNESS OF CONTENT OR PRODUCTS (INCLUDING PRODUCT DESCRIPTIONS) DISTRIBUTED OR MADE AVAILABLE BY THIRD PARTIES THROUGH OR OUTSIDE OF THE SITES.

E2014T
08-26-2015, 11:45 AM
Beyond that, customers and affiliates alike get the Sgt Schultz.
If they get P90-series, they get Tony Horton.

Tony Horton Life (http://www.tonyhortonlife.com)

ribshaw
08-26-2015, 12:06 PM
If they get P90-series, they get Tony Horton.

Tony Horton Life (http://www.tonyhortonlife.com)

Does Tony Horton show up in court if an affiliate gets sued for violating laws the FDA has on advertising supplements?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH6dArO3lXY


Is it legal to market a dietary supplement product as a treatment or cure for a specific disease or condition?

No, a product sold as a dietary supplement and promoted on its label or in labeling* as a treatment, prevention or cure for a specific disease or condition would be considered an unapproved--and thus illegal--drug. To maintain the product's status as a dietary supplement, the label and labeling must be consistent with the provisions in the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) of 1994.*Labeling refers to the label as well as accompanying material that is used by a manufacturer to promote and market a specific product. Questions and Answers on Dietary Supplements (http://www.fda.gov/Food/DietarySupplements/QADietarySupplements/ucm191930.htm#legal_market)


Is there a number where these folks can get in touch with Tony?

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496 BEACHBODY complaints and reviews @ Pissed Consumer (http://beachbody.pissedconsumer.com/)

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Consumer complaints for Beachbody, LLC - Serving the Silicon Valley BBB (http://www.bbb.org/losangelessiliconvalley/business-reviews/exercise-and-physical-fitness-programs/beachbody-in-santa-monica-ca-13147181/complaints)

E2014T
08-26-2015, 12:25 PM
I haven't tried Shakeology, so I can't speak intelligently on the topic. In general, I don't like products I have to ingest unless they are prescribed by people who have verifiable medical training.

E2014T
08-26-2015, 03:06 PM
Consumer complaints for Beachbody, LLC - Serving the Silicon Valley BBB (http://www.bbb.org/losangelessiliconvalley/business-reviews/exercise-and-physical-fitness-programs/beachbody-in-santa-monica-ca-13147181/complaints)

Google has even more complaints filed with the same organization:

Consumer complaints for Google, Inc. - Serving the Silicon Valley BBB (http://www.bbb.org/losangelessiliconvalley/business-reviews/business-processing-optimization/google-in-mountain-view-ca-214105/complaints)

Unless the number is presented as some sort of proportion of the total customers, it is meaningless.

The dogs bark, the wagon keeps moving.

ribshaw
08-26-2015, 03:31 PM
Google has even more complaints filed with the same organization:

Consumer complaints for Google, Inc. - Serving the Silicon Valley BBB (http://www.bbb.org/losangelessiliconvalley/business-reviews/business-processing-optimization/google-in-mountain-view-ca-214105/complaints)

Unless the number is presented as some sort of proportion of the total customers, it is meaningless.

The dogs bark, the wagon keeps moving.

I was going to give you a touche', but where are your proportions? Off the top of my head Google probably has more customers, and users that may think they are customers.


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There was no other source of malware!It happen right after I linked my YouTube account to Google+. The only way Google is going to be on my good side again is if they make Google+ optional on YouTube. I am not going to settle for less!

Desired Settlement
If they are not going to fix it and make it optional on youtube then they should take it down.

Business Response
Hi *******,

Google+ on desktop is a web based application, so it doesn't actually impact your operating system or have the ability to install malware. To answer the second portion of your question, in the near future you won't need a Google+ profile to make the most of YouTube anymore! You can read more about what's happening here: ************************************************** **************

Consumer Response
(The consumer indicated he/she ACCEPTED the response from the business.)

snopes.com: Too Stupid to Own a Computer (http://www.snopes.com/humor/business/wordperfect.asp)

EagleOne
08-26-2015, 05:01 PM
I haven't tried Shakeology, so I can't speak intelligently on the topic. In general, I don't like products I have to ingest unless they are prescribed by people who have verifiable medical training.

Wise advice for all. Sadly 99% never do, just buy the hype.

ribshaw
08-27-2015, 04:17 PM
I haven't tried Shakeology, so I can't speak intelligently on the topic.

Weightgain 4000 fan myself, cheezy poof flavor.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZXr3ddAqYE




In general, I don't like products I have to ingest unless they are prescribed by people who have verifiable medical training.

I go with the advice on first link that pops up when consulting Dr. Google, so far so good.:RpS_wink:

======================

I posted this before with other supplement based MLMs as food for thought. As with other opportunities written about on RS I believe the highest probable outcome is most participants lose money and move on. Some go all in, and the real dummies all in on credit and end up broke. There is however a small but possible risk of running afoul of the law and/or being sued. As always people can take away whatever they like.

As seen above MLM parent companies do everything in their power to distance themselves legally from the actions of the independent representatives. Too many MLM uplines IMO fail to address the risks their downlines are taking by using their homes and autos for business. Auto and homeowners insurance very likely will not cover business related mishaps unless additional riders or separate polices are purchased. Some affiliate agreements disclose this, most do not. Best to check with a qualified agent.

I would also consider setting up an LLC or similar to run any business separate from personal assets. I am not an attorney so check a qualified one of those too.

Supplements have been known to cause serious health problems or kill people from time to time. I do think the risk is very small of being sued, but still a risk in business that should at least be put out there.


The remaining quoted directly from: Should Personal Trainers Recommend Supplements? - Joe Cannon, MS | Exercise Physiologist (http://www.joe-cannon.com/personal-trainer-recommend-supplements-ephedr/) which has some additional commentary on the subject worth perusing.


She was already dealing with high blood pressure. It is very likely that the supplements prescribed by the personal trainer, at the very least, contributed to her stroke, and were prehaps the reason for her stroke.

After her death:

the personal trainer
Crunch Fitness
Vitamin Shoppe
and the makers of the 5 dietary supplements

were collectively sued for $320 million.


Let me say that again—The PERSONAL TRAINER was sued because of the supplements HE recommended she take.

You—as a personal trainer—can be sued if you recommend dietary supplements to your clients. This is a fact most people never consider when they decide to become involved with supplements. This can happen whether you are a trainer working at a gym or if you are a self employed personal trainer.



There is no liability waiver and no personal trainer liability insurance that will protect you if you are sued because of supplements you recommend. In fact, personal trainer liability insurance policies sometimes even say up front that if you are sued because of dietary supplement recommendations, they will not help you.


Health Club and Trainer Are Sued in a Death - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/29/nyregion/health-club-and-trainer-are-sued-in-a-death.html?src=pm)

okosh
08-27-2015, 07:14 PM
Girl, the best criminal minds have used and pimped the standard financial system. They don't have any other choice. It doesn't make the system wrong, only the people gaming it.

"Girl"??.....Who do you think you are talking to "Boy"??.....

E2014T
08-28-2015, 04:50 AM
Let me say that again—The PERSONAL TRAINER was sued because of the supplements HE recommended she take.
This is a very good point right here. If the previous discussion did not give enough food for thought, this certainly should.

E2014T
09-15-2015, 02:45 PM
To sum it all up: if you think you can do the fitness programs faithfully and have money to spare, by all means go ahead and use them. But never ever get involved in the MLM part of it.

Fendaril
09-15-2015, 05:56 PM
To sum it all up: if you think you can do the fitness programs faithfully and have money to spare, by all means go ahead and use them. But never ever get involved in the MLM part of it.

In lieu of indirect South Park Ad hominem attacks.

Here is one about the financial success of many beachbody mlm recruiters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DT7bX-B1Mg

desmondhowl
04-09-2018, 10:53 AM
Hello,

I'm here because I have an in-law heavily involved in the Beachbody MLM. When she first approached me and my wife (her sister) three years ago I researched the company, discovered it was an MLM, and refused to participate. I persuaded my wife not to participate either., and she did not. Although this has been a sore point between us, I do not regret it. Although my sister-in-law seems to be having some financial success, and has helped people get in shape, I personally would never want to earn money in this manner as I feel it is dishonest. It is also life-consuming. The first people new-MLMers go to are always close friends and family who feel a pressure to support them and purchase a product priced highly not because of its quality, but because it supports an MLM structure. As time has passed, my sister-in-law has distanced herself from the family, including my wife, who used to be very close with her. My wife has also lost friends who have joined up with Beachbody under her sister. This is a festering issue that continues to divide her family, although her family doesn't seem to see it as a cause as they were not previously familiar with MLMs and their tactics.

Thank you,

Desmond

Soapboxmom
04-09-2018, 12:30 PM
Welcome. Your story of family strife over MLM crap is all too common. Thank you for sharing. We "haterz" are here to advocate for all the victims of this scourge.

ribshaw
04-09-2018, 10:33 PM
My wife has also lost friends who have joined up with Beachbody under her sister.

That sounds more like a cult than a business.

littleroundman
04-09-2018, 10:47 PM
That sounds more like a cult than a business.

That's because they both use the same well documented techniques to maintain loyalty.

Char
04-10-2018, 06:53 PM
Hi Desmond,

You should go check out Pinktruth.com to feel even more validated about your wise decision to stay away from a MLMing company.

Pinktruth is mostly about Mary Kay, but all MLMing companies use the same flawed model, so it doesn't matter.

The ladies there speak a lot about how they lost friends and family, about faking their success, going into debt, being in a cult, etc.. I think you'll be able to relate to many of the stories.