Scam.com gone forever?

[BruceShuell]

I wonder what happened there? I haven't been very active for a while as my favorite scam YTB is limping into the sunset and YTB's thread was pretty much dead in the water. But there were some other pretty well followed threads...

Was it getting too soft on scams? Ohein and ChrisDoyle were loving it.

Was the server hacked? Too tight with the porn scene? Will we EVER really know?

I love a good mystery but I also like an ending!

[GlimDropper]

Oh, I expect them to be back and be back soon. I have no earthly notion why it's offline but I'm sure it's for mundane technical reasons. Rumors that the server is offline while it's performing as an extra in low budget porn movies under the name the "Cisco Kid" are malicious exaggerations even if they're not complete fabrications.

[Seriously?]

How cool is that? I get to practice my mod skills! Hmm. Next time - hard delete!!

[Doc Bunkum]

I see one of three possibilities why scam.com is offline.

1.) Lenny's doing an entire revamp of the site to his liking. (Remember, he took a year of business at Heald College, so doing a site build should be no problem.)

2.) George is so pissed at seeing his name come up constantly, that he pulled everything to prevent further embarrassment to him and his family.

3.) Some disgruntled former member that got banned hacked the site out of spite and fubared everything.

[fastmoney]

Just my wild guess..

If I recall.. Right before Len became an admin, for like a week or so, zero ads were showing up.. Nothing..

Then right when the site turned to the 208# the line ads were gone and google display ads were up..

Me thinks adsense cancelled the contract with scam, George.. Zach.. decided that if he changed it to the 208... then he could run the ads and google might never find out..

Well they found out.. Why keep the site up if there is zero revenue..

My other thought on why he made Len an admin in the first place was because Len promised him ad deals from mlms, kind of like rip off report does.. some company rips someone off, the customer reports it, then the company sees it, pays ripoff report to put in a "they are a legit company line"..

For example look at this link this company has scammed hundred's if not thousands of people..but at the top.. "they are legit"

http://www.ripoffreport.com/pools-saunas/blue-world-pool-glob/investigation-blue-world-pool-94a2d.htm

I could be way off..

[GlimDropper]

Howdy Fastmoney, it's good to see you man.

I've heard any number of theories for the site being down, I suspect banal technical issues are still most likely but you make some interesting points. I haven't seen an ad on that site in a long time, after repeated disappointment with the owner I removed it from the list of websites I'd view ads on. So I can't verify your observations but your's is the first credible argument I've heard (except for the porn movie extra theory which is almost certainly false).

[Live&Learn]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!

MLMers from all over the world are flocking to Las Vegas to congratulate computer programming genius, Len Clements, for taking out the hated SCAM.com without even breaking a sweat.

When contacted by EyeWitless NEWS, Len was his typical modest self. "Aw shucks. It was nothin'. I just slapped a little of my COBOL, RPG, Pascual, Assembler, and Fortran onto that server and before you know it. POOF! It was the greatest day of my life. I have single-handedly made the internet safe for MLMers and our very fine products."

A spontaneous MLM Victory Parade will be held on Saturday, June 26, at precisely 6:26 PM. All attendees will be rewarded with their own personal Yoli blast cap, plus an autographed picture of Len "I'm Smarter Than YOU" Clements.



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[Doc Bunkum]

Scam.com gone forever?

Instead of speculating what happened over at scam.com, why doesn't somebody call Stephanie at the Northfield Acupuncture and Alternative Medicine Clinic and ask her?

After all, that's her user name - sojustask (so-just-ask - in case somebody never caught it).

Oh, and if you do call and talk to her, tell her we all miss her and give her our love. :cool:

[A Life Aloft]

Whatever the truth is about why Scam is down, no one will ever hear/learn the truth from George, or his minions "Lady" B**** or Lenny. I hope that cesspool stays just where it is and where it belongs, lost in cyberspace.

[fastmoney]

Scam.com gone forever?

Instead of speculating what happened over at scam.com, why doesn't somebody call Stephanie at the Northfield Acupuncture and Alternative Medicine Clinic and ask her?

After all, that's her user name - sojustask (so-just-ask - in case somebody never caught it).

Oh, and if you do call and talk to her, tell her we all miss her and give her our love. :cool:

Some one should ask her if she would like to be a mod here...

[Mike!]

Some one should ask her if she would like to be a mod here...

...and then yell, "psyke!" at her, right? :p
I'm sure a lot of us would like to be listening on the extension when THAT call goes through. :cool: Can you say, colorful language?:confused: Sure, I knew you could.:)

[Theophilus]

Even if scam.com did come back, it really will not matter. They have lost too many of the good posters.

The place became a joke once Clem was made Admin. I didn't bother posting in the MLM section after that.

Though Lisa was really giving Clem hell. That made me smile.

[littleroundman]

Whatever the truth is about why Scam is down, no one will ever hear/learn the truth from George, or his minions "Lady" B**** or Lenny. I hope that cesspool stays just where it is and where it belongs, lost in cyberspace.

Why on earth would anyone ever again accept ANYTHING "sojustask" or Clements or "Zachary/George" says as in any way resembling a/the "truth" ???

From their own mouth/mouths we have recently learned that for Scam.com "management" is is not only acceptable to lie, but also considered OK to continue and even embellish lying.

Witness the groups' attempts to protect a/the owner WRT to concealing his identity,

Witness the deliberate and often repeated blatant lie/s WRT the non existent sale of the forum.

Witness the often repeated and blatant lies WRT the unannounced disappearance of threads and posts.

Witness the often repeated and blatant lies WRT the fact such deletions not carried out in a manner designed to protect certain industries and/or posters by eliminating facts which left such industries and/or posters exposed.

That's always a big problem when one finds oneself playing with skunks.

No matter how "noble" the announced intentions of the skunk, the stench remains long after the offending animal has departed the scene.

[Unsaved Trash]

Why on earth would anyone ever again accept ANYTHING "sojustask" or Clements or "Zachary/George" says as in any way resembling a/the "truth" ???

From their own mouth/mouths we have recently learned that for Scam.com "management" is is not only acceptable to lie, but also considered OK to continue and even embellish lying.

Witness the groups' attempts to protect a/the owner WRT to concealing his identity,

Witness the deliberate and often repeated blatant lie/s WRT the non existent sale of the forum.

Witness the often repeated and blatant lies WRT the unannounced disappearance of threads and posts.

Witness the often repeated and blatant lies WRT the fact such deletions not carried out in a manner designed to protect certain industries and/or posters by eliminating facts which left such industries and/or posters exposed.

That's always a big problem when one finds oneself playing with skunks.

No matter how "noble" the announced intentions of the skunk, the stench remains long after the offending animal has departed the scene.


Please allow me to respond to this and I'm only speaking for myself on this matter. I knew within two days of becoming a mod that the site was never sold to someone named "Zachary." On my second day of "modship," I accessed the mod control panel specifically to check out who I "worked" for. I checked the IPs of this "Zachary." Interestingly enough, the IPs never changed which was odd because at the time, WhoIs listed the registration as a George Dranichak, an address of an apartment in Toronto. The owner's ("Zachary") location was listed as Lisbao. Being in the travel industry all of my career, I was tipped off by that alone since it's Lisboa aka Lisbon. That's what led to the check on my part. "Zachary" then knowingly became "Zachary"-George Dranichak to me. With the IP not changing between George and "Zachary" (and the other 20 some screen names he created), the cat was out of the bag.

There were a group of 4 mods that were in the "loop" and communicated. These mods were aware of the deception and eventually it was uncovered that "Zachary"-George was indeed a porn mogul and that scam.com was formerly a porn site. That is one reason the site was infiltrated with tons of porn spam which was there since the mid-1990s. It was never cleaned up until the new group of mods were hired. I did not make it known that "Zachary" was not the owner unless specifically asked directly and then I was honest. It was pointless to dig up the old threads that said he retired and sold the site only to respond to them and show him to be a liar, along with Lady Mod, aka sojustask, aka "Your Majesty," aka Stephanie, who did in fact lie directly on those threads about the change of ownership and that it was purchased by "two guys in South America" and then the story changed to this "Zachary" person. (DocBunkum provided those links to the threads which I was not aware of at the time.) When I directly asked Lady Mod in a PM after her return from her so called resignation, she lied to me directly and said the site had been sold and to "drop it." (PM available in my file for verification.)

Again, and only speaking for myself as a mod, I personally handled two outing of "Zachary"-George which were both posted on the Internet Scams forum. I did not delete them and should the site come back up or be resurrected, they can be found there. However, I did not comment on them out of courtesy to the unappreciative and nonresponsive owner, George Dranichak.

Although not accused of lying, I did not disclose this information publicly. For me personally, it was an ethical problem and issue with me from the beginning but did not interfere with the site. I did express this to the "loop" but took it no further until Len became an ADMIN and Stephanie continued the farce. By this time, I was no longer a mod and everything was fair game to me regarding this because Len questioned my integrity for banning him when the "Who is Len Clements Anyway?" thread disappeared. Len still says that I knew that he did not delete the thread when in fact I said I suspected that it was deleted by the ADMIN (George). Len was NOT an ADMIN at the time of the deletion but he was a mod and could have deleted it. I still suspect that it was deleted by George but I cannot prove it. And in my opinion, it would not have been deleted without a request from Len to do so because George just plain didn't give a crap about the site or posts that didn't threaten legal action.

It has been discussed with another mod that I am close to if Len even knew that "Zachary" and George are one in the same or if he was in the dark up until 2 or 3 weeks ago. We do not know. He knows now if he read the forums there and the other boards, which being Len, I'm positive he has.

I hope this sets the record straight as far as I am concerned. I did not lie about the change of ownership and I do not know of any other mods (with the exception of Lady Mod) that did so, Len included. That is debatable though. We simply don't know what he was told. I'm personally giving him the benefit of the doubt (which based upon my experience, it probably an error in judgement).

[Unsaved Trash]

Mods - Please note that I did not use the title of "MLM Forum Board Whore" or "DoucheBag" in my above post. Thank you for making me suffer. Life is tough.

[walksthedogs]

Thanks for the background info. My feeling is the site was shut down intentionally. I wonder what changes are in store when they're back online.

I had to laugh at myself yesterday. On break at school, I tried to log on at scam.com. The page went to blank white, I held my breath for a couple of seconds thinking, "it's back up!". Nope.

[Theophilus]

Thanks for the background info. My feeling is the site was shut down intentionally. I wonder what changes are in store when they're back online.

I had to laugh at myself yesterday. On break at school, I tried to log on at scam.com. The page went to blank white, I held my breath for a couple of seconds thinking, "it's back up!". Nope.

Considering that many of the members of scam.com are coming here (and this forum has not even been here long!)

If the ownership of scam.com did not change, and things were basically the same as before......

Would you really want to go back there and participate?

[GlimDropper]

Would you really want to go back there and participate?

I forget exactly how long ago talks of making this site became "serious." The notion of a scam site being run the way a scam site should be has long been something of a "salve" to the frustration of playing magic spam removing monkey on the old site. For as how screwed up I knew the place was, I still could look at the people it helped and could find some comfort in being a small part of that, but the events of the last month or so really changed that. I don't need to rehash, we all saw them. But one thing you have to credit the place for, it was almost a SERP force of nature. I've seen newly created threads on that site land in the top five search results on fairly crowded topics in only a few hours. This was fairly awesome.

Even before scam went down I knew it was well within our ability to attract some really first rate scam busters, of course I'd never take them for granted but I knew that wasn't going to be our problem. Our problem is and will be getting found by victims, potential victims and the scammers who prey on them. This has been a topic of much conversation with RS and I have to admit, I don't know SEO but I like the answers he's coming up with. Plans are being implemented to leverage what little content we have in a way to make us as visible as possible to the spiders and search bots. I have no idea how long it will take before we begin to draw the type of organic traffic to feed our "cycle." We need people coming here looking for answers, we need busters to offer those answers, we need "promoters" to argue with the busters. Getting all three will take a lot of work and we knew that before we started. Before scam went the way it did of late that all seemed to me like an insurmountable obstacle, but after scam went the way it did I decided I'd rather try and risk failing than continue to contribute to the very prominent but mortally flawed scam.com. At the moment scam isn't even an option, but for me that doesn't change even if they return.

[Lisa]

Len has known since he became and admin that George owned the site. I was told by Stephanie that Len dug up George's phone number and actually called him and convinced him to make Len an admin. I've found no reason to not believe this.

As for the site, if it did come back up I'd still continue posting on it. However, my primary forum has always been the political one and there are some posts and posters there that I do miss.


As for the google ads theory, I've also asked Steve (YWFT) about this and he and I both remember seeing google ads before the address changed from scam to the IP address and we both also remember ads being up right before it disappeared. Not only that, but even if George did lose his google ads account there are literally dozens of other advertising networks that he could've switched too.

I think the site is just down. I was getting a lot of "server busy" messages before the site completely blanked out.

[A Life Aloft]

I stopped posting on Scam when Tom quit. That was it for me. Then came the Len being made an admin and the banning of SBM. That sealed their fate for me. I already knew about the Zach/George thing and his sordid background and the lies and that bothered me. The allowed/unmoderated bigotted, homophoblic, racial, anti-semitic and sick posts on the Political forum became increasingly vile and repugnant for me as well. Scam became a festering boil, which finally burst. I could no longer stand it. The decent Mods hands were tied, slapped and it was not their fault. It was the owners and the SuperMod and finally the Admin. Quality was never a concern on that site, it was all about quantity and sheer numbers. It was a hot mess and had been so for years. I cannot imagine why anyone would continue to support that hell hole, frankly. There is very little of value there. Very little. It's too out of control in many areas and too much control in others. Too many issues, too many aholes over there. It's the most dysfunctional site that I have ever seen on the net.

If the site ever does come up, I suggest a mass pm campaign by the former members here to all the decent posters over there to give them a link to this site.

If the site ever does return, it holds nothing for me and for many others. I will never participate there. Things will not improve, they will only get worse and the damage is done. Far too much water under the bridge for me and far too much mistreatment of decent members and the quality Mods and the promotion and support of the scum admin and slime supermod and the worst of the members over there in all the forums. The other forums have all gone to crap as well in the last several months. The only thing it had going was it's rankings in the searches. That can be obtained with work and time over here as well. The good bots will help with that.

While this site is a baby in the making, all great sites start out the same. This place already has more going for it in it's format, it's Mods, having Wserra in the background if needed, it's intent, it's feel, some of the better posters from Scam and the fact that those in charge actually care about the members and the site, really want to provide a service to the public at large, they actually will participate and tweak and improve things, they listen to the members, etc. It will just take time. That's all, just time. Things will expand and improve here, I am sure of that. It's obvious to me that the commitment is clearly there by the Mods and the owner(s). Don't know who he/she /they are...doesn't matter. The b.s. that took place on a daily basis on Scam and was par for the course for so long, will not happen here. There will be no more stories, lies, threats, sick, vile, immoral posts, rants, meltdowns, MLMers promoting their products and trolling for recruits, links to dating sites for married men, soap operas, deletions, trolling and mis-placed agendas. This place is a breath of fresh air, that starting from the ground up, can be molded and developed into a great site.

It must have been a helluva lot of work to decide to create this site and execute it. Very time consuming, too technical for most of us to accomplish and a lot of time to keep it going, keep adapting it to the needs of the site and it's members and monitor it. Everyone hated and crabbed about Scam for so many valid reasons for so very long, but someone, or a group of "someones" went out and actually did something about it, and I think that's really admirable. Things happen for a reason. The meltdown over at Scam and then the evolution of this site. I find that really great! I hope the members will work hard in their own ways to bring quality posts and subjects to this site, p.r. this site on other sites and blogs and again, invite others, and if Scam emerges again at some point, start the pm campaign asap and each of us do our part to support this valiant effort to the owner(s) of this new site. We owe them that much at least. Along the way, we should have some fun. The entire vibe around here is so much cleaner, more free and neater. Babies eventually grow up and so will this site.

Kudos to the Mods, the Admins and the Owners!!!

[Earl Lee Tobed]

Well said!

[Lisa]

I stopped posting on Scam when Tom quit. That was it for me. Then came the Len being made an admin and the banning of SBM. That sealed their fate for me. I already knew about the Zach/George thing and his sordid background and the lies and that bothered me. The allowed/unmoderated bigotted, homophoblic, racial, anti-semitic and sick posts on the Political forum became increasingly vile and repugnant for me as well. Scam became a festering boil, which finally burst. I could no longer stand it.

Here's the deal with the political forum - sure we had some crazy posts and posters who rarely offered any real value or input on the site. BUT they were still allowed to post. There is all this talk of "free speech" within the US yet many webpages and political forums try to restrict this - scam let the crazies post right along with the sane people. And every now and then even the crazies would post something worth reading. You knew you could go there and say exactly what you thought about current events and you would not get banned, your post would not get edited, and you would not be told to change what you say to please someone else. Sure, this made the forum a little difficult to navigate since new members would have to wade through the ridiculous posts and threads to find the good stuff. But I've posted on a lot of different political forums and having the capability to say whatever you want is rare. You can complain that it was a hot mess, and I won't disagree.

But there were also some really good discussions that took place there, some really good posts and threads, some real decent people that posted.

[A Life Aloft]

Thanks, Father. How are you hanging? Good to see you here.

On a note of support, there are hundreds of sites and blogs and resources out there for anti MLM info. A link to this site can be easily added in comments secition of articles, stories or whatever on those sites. Same with forums that allow it. such as "I have a really good source for a new forum about such and such, here is the link", etc. That is something we can all participate in and do at our leisure to help promote this place. Even Google answers....people are always talking about MLMs and links can be used in any of the answers there. Just all kinds of places out on the net to help promote this site. Be creative and work on this when you can. 30 minutes a day. If we all do it, will make a big difference. This place has given us a new opportunity and a haven from Scam and it can be built up into something really worthwhile if we all try very hard to do just that. Let's show our support and appreciation for the owner(s), the Admins and the Mods here!!! The hell with Scam. Old news! New day here!!! New day now!!!

[Emet]

There is all this talk of "free speech" within the US yet many webpages and political forums try to restrict this -

The First Amendment does not apply to blogs or forums.


The First Amendment was adopted on December 15, 1791. The Amendment states:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States

It concerns the government and it’s ability to prohibit free speech via the enactment of laws.

Bloggers and Forum owners have the right to set rules, change them and control content. Responsible ones do it every day as a matter of course.

Respectfully submitted,
Emet

[Lisa]

I know that Emet. The internet has no country, this has been discussed at length in the political section of scam.com.

However scam was one of very few sites that allowed political discussions to be almost entirely unmoderated and unaltered which is appealing to some. It had it's downsides, but it had it's benefits as well. In fact, I have never found another site that allowed this.

What I meant by "a lot of talk of free speech within the US", was that people both on the internet and in real life complain about their First Amendment rights and their inability to actually say anything they want. Especially online with political forums, there are things you can't say or do. There's a reason as to why a lot of sites choose to do this, but scam's political section was almost entirely unrestricted - the only thing that got you in trouble was calling out a mod for the job they were doing, posting someone's personal information, or spamming the forum. Someone like David Ben Ariel could post the most racist and stupid things I've ever seen in my life, but they wouldn't be deleted.

[Mike!]

Well, it's back up and running again, for the moment. If it's importaint to you, salvage what you can, while you can can!

[walksthedogs]

I blinked and missed it.

[GlimDropper]

For reasons known only to those who never feel the need to explain their reasons, they changed their IP again. Seems the DNS servers caught up with them though because scam.com will get you there, but at the moment 208.86.2.178 is what they are calling themselves.

[Seriously?]

scam.com does not work for me, but the IP does. Looks like they've had basically no posting since the 21st, little today. Hmmm. Should I brave the wrath of G~d and put realscam in my sig?

[Unsaved Trash]

scam.com does not work for me, but the IP does. Looks like they've had basically no posting since the 21st, little today. Hmmm. Should I brave the wrath of G~d and put realscam in my sig?

Yes. It is allowed although I'm sure the Supermod and Len will remove it. Protest and ask them why the BBB, MLM Watchdog, Ripoff Report, etc., are allowed. That should do it. Nah, they don't care about the real rules. Tell them to show it to you in the posted rules.

[Live&Learn]

I saved a few interesting posts, since they're online again.

[GlimDropper]

Should I brave the wrath of G~d and put realscam in my sig?

Why not, I just did. A simple one line link with our motto, absolutely nothing about it is against their broad rules. If they delete it then THEY will the ones breaking their user agreement. I wonder how long it will last?

[Lisa]

Oooooh, I will so put a link in my signature. I'm currently debating whether or not to respond to Len's post in the Berryview thread... he's such an idiot that I'm not sure he'd get anything else I'd say to him. It's funny how when you take his words and throw them back in his face he suddenly doesn't understand.

Maybe I should just accuse him of being a troll and baiting me. LOL

[Lisa]

LOL, I couldn't help myself. I had to respond. Now I just have to change my siggie.

[Theophilus]

Here's the deal with the political forum - sure we had some crazy posts and posters who rarely offered any real value or input on the site. BUT they were still allowed to post. There is all this talk of "free speech" within the US yet many webpages and political forums try to restrict this - scam let the crazies post right along with the sane people. And every now and then even the crazies would post something worth reading. You knew you could go there and say exactly what you thought about current events and you would not get banned, your post would not get edited, and you would not be told to change what you say to please someone else. Sure, this made the forum a little difficult to navigate since new members would have to wade through the ridiculous posts and threads to find the good stuff. But I've posted on a lot of different political forums and having the capability to say whatever you want is rare. You can complain that it was a hot mess, and I won't disagree.

But there were also some really good discussions that took place there, some really good posts and threads, some real decent people that posted.

Well we don't know what will happen. We will have to start some new threads about politics and see what happens.

For some reason I think it may work out very good.

Let me say water, power, energy, and dare I say Craig.

[nomaxim]

Oooooh, I will so put a link in my signature. I'm currently debating whether or not to respond to Len's post in the Berryview thread... he's such an idiot that I'm not sure he'd get anything else I'd say to him. It's funny how when you take his words and throw them back in his face he suddenly doesn't understand.

Maybe I should just accuse him of being a troll and baiting me. LOLlol, I kinda moved that topic outta there, resellerratings.com/store/BerryRevuew_Store_8 (http://www.resellerratings.com/store/BerryRevuew_Store_8) ;). They are a retail merchant after all. :cool:

[Seriously?]

Huh. Since that one time I got on last night, I haven't been able to get on again...

[Soapboxmom]

Realscam.com is in my sig over at the "cesspool" as Lenny affectionately refers to the site he serves as an admin for. How much do you guys want to bet I am the first one LM bans for it?

Soapboxmom

[Emet]

Huh. Since that one time I got on last night, I haven't been able to get on again...
Try using the new IP address.

[littleroundman]

Realscam.com is in my sig over at the "cesspool" as Lenny affectionately refers to the site he serves as an admin for. How much do you guys want to bet I am the first one LM bans for it?

Soapboxmom

I think a more relevant question would be:

"Does anyone really care WHAT Clements/George/Zachary/SJA say or do anymore ???

They've made themselves irrelevant and the butt of what will doubtlessly be countless jokes.

[Seriously?]

Try using the new IP address.

Yup. That's what I'm doing. Won't load.

EDIT: Wait, there it is!! Good grief, how do they expect anyone to get there?!

[Emet]

I bookmarked it last night and can get on and off with no problem.

Maybe it has something to do with:

Denial of Service attack. They are rather nasty and We took a bad hit. At least, that's what we have been told.
Lady Mod

Any geeks here care to comment?

[walksthedogs]

I bookmarked it yesterday: here is what shows in the address bar:
scams - report the scam here (http://208.86.2.178/index.php)
(http://208.86.2.178/index.php).

[Earl Lee Tobed]

Denial of Service usually indicates you havnt paid your bill!
I managed to log on and save some of my work.Ive added the url to this website on my signature,it will be interesting to see if anything happens.Also PMed some regular posters making them aware of this new forum.

[littleroundman]

Denial of Service usually indicates you havnt paid your bill!


If it was, indeed a denial of service "attack" it would more likely to be a "distributed denial of service" attack, commonly referred to as a "DDOS" attack, rather than disconnection for non payment of an account.


Denial-of-service attack
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DDoS Stacheldraht Attack diagram.

A denial-of-service attack (DoS attack) or distributed denial-of-service attack (DDoS attack) is an attempt to make a computer resource unavailable to its intended users. Although the means to carry out, motives for, and targets of a DoS attack may vary, it generally consists of the concerted efforts of a person or people to prevent an Internet site or service from functioning efficiently or at all, temporarily or indefinitely. Perpetrators of DoS attacks typically target sites or services hosted on high-profile web servers such as banks, credit card payment gateways, and even root nameservers. The term is generally used with regards to computer networks, but is not limited to this field, for example, it is also used in reference to CPU resource management.[1]

One common method of attack involves saturating the target (victim) machine with external communications requests, such that it cannot respond to legitimate traffic, or responds so slowly as to be rendered effectively unavailable. In general terms, DoS attacks are implemented by either forcing the targeted computer(s) to reset, or consuming its resources so that it can no longer provide its intended service or obstructing the communication media between the intended users and the victim so that they can no longer communicate adequately.

Denial-of-service attacks are considered violations of the IAB's Internet proper use policy, and also violate the acceptable use policies of virtually all Internet service providers. They also commonly constitute violations of the laws of individual nations.[2]

DDOS attacks are not at all uncommon in the world of HYIP and ponzi scams, and is the reason many, if not most, online HYIP ponzi scams boast of having "DDOS protected server/websites"

The following link points to a page which recounts the unfolding of a DDOS attack and those behind it on one of the 'nets most respected 'net security companies, Gibson Research Corporation.

The .PDF makes fascinating reading for those who still think that 'net fraud and fraudsters are just a harmless bunch of tricksters:

The bizarre tale of a DDOS attack (http://www.crime-research.org/library/grcdos.pdf)

[Earl Lee Tobed]

Very interesting.I have to admit Ive never heard of DDOS before.
So who would perpetrate such a thing against Scam.com?
Any ideas?

[Ballinamuck]

A ddos attack is basically a bunch of computers sending large requests to the server and tying up its resources causing the server to not have any resources left for other users trying to access the website(s).

[Lisa]

This isn't the first time scam has been down, I think they get attacked quite often (server busy messages). Who knows who does it, but I doubt it will ever stop.

[littleroundman]

Very interesting.I have to admit Ive never heard of DDOS before.
So who would perpetrate such a thing against Scam.com?
Any ideas?

Lots of ideas, but no proof.

There are some well known regular posters on Scam with PLENTY of experience at the lower end of the scam business.

Amidst all the fun and frivolity, people forget that some/many of the scams being discussed involve HUGE sums of money.

e.g. "AdSurf Daily" purportedly had over USD $400 MILLION pass through its' books. Over USD$90 MILLION was in its' Bank of America accounts when it was busted.

The "Legisi/Greg McKnight" HYIP ponzi is alleged to have raked in over USD $72 MILLION before the SEC stepped in during 2008.

The Colon End Parenthesis (CEP) "autosurf" ponzi was a relatively small time HYIP, yet it raked in over USD $12 MILLION during 2007.

We are not talking small potatoes here and DDOS attackers are relatively easy to find and cheap to hire. As discussed on the GRC article posted, MiRC in particular, is the home of many "warbot" controllers.

As entertaining as it may be to some people, this is a multi billion dollar problem, and many of the criminals behind it are deadly serious. There are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.

DDOS attacks, although serious, are nothing, compared to the actual economic, criminal and personal damage being done on a daily basis.

[GlimDropper]

Very interesting.I have to admit Ive never heard of DDOS before.
So who would perpetrate such a thing against Scam.com?
Any ideas?

Read up on what's been called "botnet." Basically a lose network of virus infected "zombie" computers that can be controlled in some fashion by central operator. They then rent the use of their network to anyone willing to pay for massive spamming, DDOS attacks and the like. Several years back scam.com was greatly impaired and several other anti-scam sites were inaccessible by fairly massive coordinated DDOS attack, that had to be the work of a pretty damn large and well articulated botnet.

I don't think scam's recent trouble was DDOS, anyone who cared enough about what was being said about them there to pay a group of Botnet organizers to knock that site down most likely realizes that a bogus legal threat on a dummied up legal firm letterhead would get any thread deleted from the site. Why pay a criminal gang when all you really need to pay is postage?

[Emet]

This whole discussion here and on Quatloos! has made me dizzy. I have two basic questions:

1. Why would any web site change what shows up in the address bar from a name to an ISP address, if indeed the web site is responsible for this?
2. Why did the ISP address change? It's now been posted here and on scam.com, so folks can get in easily and regularly. The scam.com link from google doesn't work--couldn't they have redirected it? If so, why didn't they?

Thanks. (and sorry if these have already been addressed)
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[Earl Lee Tobed]

Its a really interesting subject.I shall swot-up on all things "botnet".
Your comment; bogus legal threat on a dummied up legal firm letterhead would get any thread deleted from the site. was exactly what occured at Scam.com causing Zac to cave in and delete my threads exposing Ray st Clair! No fewer than seven!One of which had a readership of 35,000!
Why would he give in to such amateurish bully-boy tactics? Guess I'll never know.

[Live&Learn]

Its a really interesting subject.I shall swot-up on all things "botnet".
Your comment; bogus legal threat on a dummied up legal firm letterhead would get any thread deleted from the site. was exactly what occured at Scam.com causing Zac to cave in and delete my threads exposing Ray st Clair! No fewer than seven!One of which had a readership of 35,000!
Why would he give in to such amateurish bully-boy tactics? Guess I'll never know.

My guess? No spine. Only interested in the site for the money he could make off it.

[Live&Learn]

Very interesting. This thread has the most views on this board.

[Blue Wolf]

"However scam was one of very few sites that allowed political discussions to be almost entirely unmoderated and unaltered which is appealing to some. It had it's downsides, but it had it's benefits as well. In fact, I have never found another site that allowed this."

You bring up a good point Lisa, but one of the biggest problems with scam.com is the name itself.

George has no interest in running an anti-scam website that helps consumers.

He wants to make money.

Why doesn't George just end this sham and turn the entire website into a big political forum?

I have to admit . . . watching dchristie and pwrone get into another one of their arguments can be amusing. They always seem to be at each other's throats.

If people want to report a scam, they shouldn't waste their time over there. Especially with Len as an administrator. They can come here where their posts won't be deleted for some ridiculous reason.

[Lightbulb]

My guess? No spine. Only interested in the site for the money he could make off it.

Or the 'legitimacy' running a scam-busting site gives him, can't imagine being a multiple porn site owner opens a lot of doors in polite society.

[Sojustask]

Scam.com gone forever?

Instead of speculating what happened over at scam.com, why doesn't somebody call Stephanie at the Northfield Acupuncture and Alternative Medicine Clinic and ask her?

After all, that's her user name - sojustask (so-just-ask - in case somebody never caught it).

Oh, and if you do call and talk to her, tell her we all miss her and give her our love. :cool:

Gee, thanks a bunch, Doc. I wouldn't call Northfield Acupuncture clinic though, I haven't worked there in over a year, nor am I a patient there any longer, my health problems were resolved. You are liable to be disappointed if you call sweetheart.

I know what excuse that George gave to Len about why it was down for a brief time, but I take it with a grain of salt. I don't care why it was down, the same thing happened before and it was down a hell of a lot longer. It's back up and running and I suspect many who left will probably go back. And they will probably come here as well.

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[Sojustask]

scam.com does not work for me, but the IP does. Looks like they've had basically no posting since the 21st, little today. Hmmm. Should I brave the wrath of G~d and put realscam in my sig?

Really? Because just typing in scam.com works for me and the IP doesn't.

And why would you think that posting this site in your signature line would bring the wrath of God? It's NOT a rule violation any more than posting an MLM site was.

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[Sojustask]

Realscam.com is in my sig over at the "cesspool" as Lenny affectionately refers to the site he serves as an admin for. How much do you guys want to bet I am the first one LM bans for it?

Soapboxmom

Heather,

You think too highly of yourself. As long as you are within the rules, you'll receive no more attention than anyone else who is also within the rules. You remember what rules are right? You have them posted here even.

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[Sojustask]

I think a more relevant question would be:

"Does anyone really care WHAT Clements/George/Zachary/SJA say or do anymore ???

They've made themselves irrelevant and the butt of what will doubtlessly be countless jokes.

Well, apparently ALL of you still do care very much. You've made it the topic of conversation, speculation and debate ever since
Len was made an Admin.

If anyone is being the butt of countless bad jokes, I would think it would be those who continue to talk about the people they say that they don't care about.

Kind of ironic, isn't it.

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[Sojustask]

This isn't the first time scam has been down, I think they get attacked quite often (server busy messages). Who knows who does it, but I doubt it will ever stop.

If this site does anything close to threatening MLM that scam.com did, it too will probably get attacked as often. Right now, it's in its infant stage. Let it grow up and keeping it up may prove challenging and expensive. And what is going to happen once the pissed off attorneys start in with the lawsuits or threats of lawsuits?

Are you guys going to help finance the fights against them or is Glim independently wealthy? It might do everyone good here to start thinking of constructive ways to deal with these kinds of situations BEFORE they come up so that if and when they do, you don't turn into another scam.com.


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[Emet]

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[Sojustask]

You have a really good start here GlimDropper. May you never be besieged with shallow loyalties and those who would engage in malicious gossip about you. I hope that you will always have smooth sailing and loyal friends.

Namaste'


Lady Mod @ scam.com

[A Life Aloft]

If this site does anything close to threatening MLM that scam.com did, it too will probably get attacked as often. Right now, it's in its infant stage. Let it grow up and keeping it up may prove challenging and expensive. And what is going to happen once the pissed off attorneys start in with the lawsuits or threats of lawsuits?

Are you guys going to help finance the fights against them or is Glim independently wealthy? It might do everyone good here to start thinking of constructive ways to deal with these kinds of situations BEFORE they come up so that if and when they do, you don't turn into another scam.com.


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I don't believe that any of the above, is really any of your business or concern is it? This isn't your site and you have no control and no power here. Kind of a bitter pill for you to swallow I know, but that's the reality of the situation. Funny, you yack about people still caring about Scam (which believe me, many do not and many will never go back there - and if you are misguided enough to read all the very negative comments about you, Scam, Lenny and George and interpret that as people "caring" that's pretty hysterical and rather delusional on your part) yet here you are, commenting over here. Seems to me the shoe is on the other foot and you care deeply about this site, losing members, the negative pr for Scam and what is going on over here. You cared enough to register and make several meaningless posts here. Save your b.s. for the ignorant still left over at Scam, sweetheart.

You have a lot of nerve comming on here and attacking SBM again. She has more courage, more ethics, more honesty, more dedication, more talent, more intelligence and more respect from all of us, than you cannot even begin to fathom, let alone ever possess. I realize it's dead over at Scam with almost no visits and no posts there now, but how desperate are you for attention, albeit negative attention? Oh yeah, I forgot......it's really your Grand Canyon sized ego that brought you here, cupcake. Isn't time for you to ride your broom back over to Scam and practice being a first class B**** over there? Spare us. Been there done that and we're not interested and we've pretty much had our fill of you and your antics, long ago.

There's been around a dozen posts on Scam today. Perhaps you can head back there and impress those few paultry posters. You have nothing positive to offer or contribute here, except for more of your obnoxious, condescending, lame behavior as evidenced by your continued bad attitude and your posts here. Again we've seen and experienced enough of that. Thanks anyways, lemon drop. What goes around eventually comes around and your karma and behavior is way past due in catching up to you, dear. Peccato per voi mucca.

[A Life Aloft]

You have a really good start here GlimDropper. May you never be besieged with shallow loyalties and those who would engage in malicious gossip about you. I hope that you will always have smooth sailing and loyal friends.

Namaste'


Lady Mod @ scam.comInteresting that you misconstrue that you forced posters and Mods to kiss your a** by threats, banning, insults, abuse, deleting their posts, lying, covering for a porn king, throwing your hefty weight around, setting yourself up as some pretend Queen that everyone has to bow and scrape to, horrible treatment and more and then reckon that to "loyalty" ??? Comparing yourself to Glim is like comparing a broken down 40 year old volkswagon with no engine (you) to a shiny new Rolls (him). You really are an evil, warped mess.

[GlimDropper]

You have a really good start here GlimDropper. May you never be besieged with shallow loyalties and those who would engage in malicious gossip about you. I hope that you will always have smooth sailing and loyal friends.

Namaste'


Lady Mod @ scam.com

Howdy LM, thank you for stopping by and thank you for the kind words. As far as friends go, I have very few but I know a lot of people I exchange the benefit of doubt with. As far as malice, the only way I know to counter that effectively is not to return it. I lack the wisdom and strength to love those who hate me for no good reason, but I'm spiteful enough not to hate them back because it kinda pisses them off. I thank you for your good wishes and return them in kind.



A.L.A, please recall that this isn't our rant forum, there are limits to how far you can attack a fellow poster here and you're pushing it. LM is exactly that here, a fellow poster. If you want to rant, feel free to do so, in the appropriate forum. Thank you.

[Unsaved Trash]

I see that Mephistopheles' meaner half has paid us a nice visit. Always pleasant to see that some things never change. Except she gets older, wider, and crankier.

[A Life Aloft]

A.L.A, please recall that this isn't our rant forum, there are limits to how far you can attack a fellow poster here and you're pushing it. LM is exactly that here, a fellow poster. If you want to rant, feel free to do so, in the appropriate forum. Thank you.My issue, is that I did not want to stand by and see the the Mods, the members of this forum or this forum itself dissed and ridiculed. Is there no rule about attacking a Mod on here? If not, there should be, because that quite clearly happened, as I see it. You obviously have much more patience and tolerance than I do and believe me, I was showing all the restraint that I could muster and was trying to be very careful. She has a huge case of sour grapes and really I don't think any of us need to be subjected to anymore of that from her. But that is my opinion. I have no intention of turining this into a p****** match between her and I, but I have my limits. I don't have much tolerance for passive-aggressive behavior and smart a**, thinly veiled remarks either. I had my fill of that on Scam. I would have posted on the rant thread but she didn't post there, so I would have been responding to no one would I? So I hope I have explained my perspective. It is not, was not and will not be my intention to cause any issues here. If she returns with more of the same, some one else can deal with it then.

[Seriously?]

Really? Because just typing in scam.com works for me and the IP doesn't.

And why would you think that posting this site in your signature line would bring the wrath of God? It's NOT a rule violation any more than posting an MLM site was.

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Seems to be different for everyone.

Well, it seems that rules are different for some people than they are for others over there. I'm sure several posters here can provide documentation. Hmmm. Actually, I think several already have. Would you like it posted again?

[Lisa]

You bring up a good point Lisa, but one of the biggest problems with scam.com is the name itself.

George has no interest in running an anti-scam website that helps consumers.

He wants to make money.

Why doesn't George just end this sham and turn the entire website into a big political forum?

I have to admit . . . watching dchristie and pwrone get into another one of their arguments can be amusing. They always seem to be at each other's throats.

If people want to report a scam, they shouldn't waste their time over there. Especially with Len as an administrator. They can come here where their posts won't be deleted for some ridiculous reason.

I've hardly pay attention to what dchristie or pwrone say anymore. But on occasion both of them have provided opinions without the string of insults and idiocy that often accompanies their posts.

I'd be OK with it turning into a mostly political forum. Though the wahm forum has some good info on legitimate wahm opportunities. I'm still trying to figure out if emergingcast actually pays or not. I have to hit the $50 payout to find out - maybe I'll post what I find out here instead of there.

George is absolutely spineless, though. I don't expect him to do anything smart or intelligent with the site, nor do I expect him to do anything worthwhile. The man is a wimp... and not much of a man at all if you ask me.

[Lisa]

My issue, is that I did not want to stand by and see the the Mods, the members of this forum or this forum itself dissed and ridiculed. Is there no rule about attacking a Mod on here? If not, there should be, because that quite clearly happened, as I see it. You obviously have much more patience and tolerance than I do and believe me, I was showing all the restraint that I could muster and was trying to be very careful. She has a huge case of sour grapes and really I don't think any of us need to be subjected to anymore of that from her. But that is my opinion. I have no intention of turining this into a p****** match between her and I, but I have my limits. I don't have much tolerance for passive-aggressive behavior and smart a**, thinly veiled remarks either. I had my fill of that on Scam. I would have posted on the rant thread but she didn't post there, so I would have been responding to no one would I? So I hope I have explained my perspective. It is not, was not and will not be my intention to cause any issues here. If she returns with more of the same, some one else can deal with it then.

Might I suggest trying to take the high road? I think Glim has handled this situation quite well... and I also think he's right. You're just feeding into the situation with your responses. If that's your aim, then by all means... but I think the aim of this site is to not have the same number of pissing matches like scam does.

She said that soapboxmom thinks highly of herself, and you're response was above and beyond what I would deem even close to necessary for that statement. I'm aware that many of you have a history with Stephanie... but I don't think that this particular instance warranted the response that was given by you.

[Lisa]

Seems to be different for everyone.

Well, it seems that rules are different for some people than they are for others over there. I'm sure several posters here can provide documentation. Hmmm. Actually, I think several already have. Would you like it posted again?

I can only get there by typing in the url, the site won't load if I use scam.com or www.scam.com.

[Live&Learn]

This whole discussion here and on Quatloos! has made me dizzy. I have two basic questions:

1. Why would any web site change what shows up in the address bar from a name to an ISP address, if indeed the web site is responsible for this?
2. Why did the ISP address change? It's now been posted here and on scam.com, so folks can get in easily and regularly. The scam.com link from google doesn't work--couldn't they have redirected it? If so, why didn't they?

Thanks. (and sorry if these have already been addressed)
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I don't know. Is it incompetence?

Or, could it be intentional on their part?

Or is there a third option? One poster made the comment about Lenny trying to manipulate the search engines. He thinks he's smarter than everyone else. Maybe he tried to fool Google and got caught? No one screws with Google.

Whatever the reason, it must be killing their traffic.

[Emet]

Howdy LM, thank you for stopping by and thank you for the kind words. As far as friends go, I have very few but I know a lot of people I exchange the benefit of doubt with. As far as malice, the only way I know to counter that effectively is not to return it. I lack the wisdom and strength to love those who hate me for no good reason, but I'm spiteful enough not to hate them back because it kinda pisses them off. I thank you for your good wishes and return them in kind.

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[GlimDropper]

My issue, is that I will not stand by and see the the Mods, the members of this forum or this forum itself dissed and ridiculed. Is there no rule about attacking a Mod on here? If not, there should be, because that quite clearly happened, as I see it. You obviously have much more patience and tolerance than I do and believe me, I was showing all the restraint that I could muster and was trying to be very careful. She has a huge case of sour grapes and really I don't think any of us need to be subjected to anymore of that from her. But that is my opinion. I have no intention of turining this into a p****** match between her and I, but I have my limits. I don't have much tolerance for passive-aggressive behavior and smart a**, thinly veiled remarks either. I had my fill of that on Scam. I would have posted on the rant thread but she didn't post there, so I would have been responding to no one would I? So I hope I have explained my perspective. It is not, was not and will not be my intention to cause any issues here. If she returns with more of the same, some one else can deal with it then.

I'm not sure you needed to explain yourself, at least not to me. Hey folks, I'm still trying my forum jack boots on for size here, were the lines get drawn is a collaborative process that goes farther than a few mods e-mailing back and forth rewriting a set of rules, the community gets their say one way or another as well. There are limits that I will stand up for, but I'm not the only one making this call. I know there's a lot of bad blood between some of us and Sojustask, she knew it when she came here and I'm sure she isn't surprised by how she was greeted.

But one thing I'd like all your help in establishing is that we do have a designated place to take all the excess venom and help keep the rest of the forum on a (slightly) more respectable level. Think of your favorite neighborhood shot and a beer place, you can get into someones face but only so far before the guy at the bar tells you to take it outside. Same here, but "outside" is a forum about one inch below this one. She isn't posting there? Start a thread there, post a link to your new thread in this one and see if she'll show up. If she doesn't you have another thing to complain about her. But outside the rant forum she get's the same treatment the rules give everyone. I'd be quite pleased if I'm making myself clear.

[littleroundman]

Well, apparently ALL of you still do care very much. You've made it the topic of conversation, speculation and debate ever since
Len was made an Admin.

If anyone is being the butt of countless bad jokes, I would think it would be those who continue to talk about the people they say that they don't care about.

Kind of ironic, isn't it.

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That would depend on which definition of the word "irony" you use.

If, for example, you used THIS definition: "Irony: sarcasm: witty language used to convey insults or scorn" then yes, the word would describe how many/most of the posters here feel when they enter into any discussion about the George/Zachary/SJA/Clements gang.

If, on the other hand, this definition was used: "ironic - dry: humorously sarcastic or mocking;' or THIS one: "ironic - Both coincidental and contradictory in a humorous or poignant and extremely improbable way" then the words "sarcastic" "mocking" "contradictory" "mocking" and "improbable" would probably be considered MORE than appropriate by the posters here.

Given the immediate past history of the forum in question, any future observer would be quite entitled to ask whether any pronouncement from ANY of the "team" is factual or designed to protect the "management" or has any other ulterior motive attached.

e.g. using the current criteria, the proven AdSurf Daily and CEP ponzi frauds would not have been exposed on Scam.com and the Oceanside/Broker Jones fraud thread will forever remain tainted by the knowledge the thread has been doctored.

FYI, there is a vast difference, "sweetheart" between "caring" about what "George/Zachary/sja/Clements" says and taking a great deal of delight pointing out the deceit, hypocrisy, deception and downright lies which are passed off by said group.

One doesn't need to "care" in the slightest about the members of the "Flat Earth Society" or the purveyors of the "Amega Wand" to have many fun filled hours of entertainment discussing their latest stupidity, and so it is with what was "Scam.com"

[Live&Learn]

Gee, thanks a bunch, Doc. I wouldn't call Northfield Acupuncture clinic though, I haven't worked there in over a year, nor am I a patient there any longer, my health problems were resolved. You are liable to be disappointed if you call sweetheart.

I know what excuse that George gave to Len about why it was down for a brief time, but I take it with a grain of salt. I don't care why it was down, the same thing happened before and it was down a hell of a lot longer. It's back up and running and I suspect many who left will probably go back. And they will probably come here as well.

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What excuse did George give to Len? The site was hacked? It's sure not functioning normally right now, on the search engines.

[GlimDropper]

Thank you littleroundman for reminding me why I need to configure the "add to reputation" system around here. You got a +1 waiting for you the moment that I do.

[Theophilus]

So if one was to start a new thread about a certain scam/MLM in the rants section.

It would be gloves off.

Otherwise I guess it's five minutes in the penalty box.

[Earl Lee Tobed]

I just posted my resignation on scam.com.
Feel better already! (sigh)

[Sojustask]

Seems to be different for everyone.

Well, it seems that rules are different for some people than they are for others over there. I'm sure several posters here can provide documentation. Hmmm. Actually, I think several already have. Would you like it posted again?

The comment was shot at me that I, personally, would bring down the "Wrath of God" on anyone that put the link IN THEIR SIGNATURE LINE. I've not been known to do that, possibly because if it was in the signature line it wasn't a violation of the rules that are posted on the forum. That particular rule I came up with to keep the MLM people from just advertising their particular programs and not participating in the threads. Now, if you can actually post something that shows that I personally did otherwise, go for it. Otherwise, the prior post was misdirected and unfair.

[Sojustask]

FYI, there is a vast difference, "sweetheart" between "caring" about what "George/Zachary/sja/Clements" says and taking a great deal of delight pointing out the deceit, hypocrisy, deception and downright lies which are passed off by said group.

Yes, sweetie there is. I am aware of that. And what you point out and show is your obsessive and compulsive nature towards all things negative and unproductive. I wouldn't be surprised if that unproductive, gossipy side of your personalities didn't bleed over into your personal lives as well.


Which is why most of you doing it were rather pathetic. Weeks of the same mantra and complaints to adnauseam? No wonder you couldn't prove the scams as scams without having hundreds of pages to the threads. You simply are unable to remain focused long enough to do so. Adult ADD perhaps?

[Sojustask]

What excuse did George give to Len? The site was hacked? It's sure not functioning normally right now, on the search engines.

Ya, something like that. Denial of Service attack. Those things are legit but I wouldn't know if it actually applied to scam.com's site. Lastnight, neither IE or Firefox could find any site for awhile. Nothing would pull up. I checked with tech support for my ISP and it wasn't something with my service. The Conspiracy theorists would have had a great time coming up with some kind of world wide government plot to shut down the Internet for the average man if given long enough to think about it. LOL.

[Sojustask]

I know there's a lot of bad blood between some of us and Sojustask, she knew it when she came here and I'm sure she isn't surprised by how she was greeted.

No, I am not surprised, nor am I offended. Some people have only tunnel vision, can't see the bigger picture nor imagine that any decision might have been made that wasn't a direct insult to them. It's kind of selfish and self centered, but it's human nature.




She isn't posting there? Start a thread there, post a link to your new thread in this one and see if she'll show up. If she doesn't you have another thing to complain about her. But outside the rant forum she get's the same treatment the rules give everyone. I'd be quite pleased if I'm making myself clear.

Won't do them any good. I learned a long time ago that if you get in pissing matches with idiots that you have to go down to their level to do so and once you do that, they beat you with their greater experience.

So, I won't be engaging in any "pissing matches" on your site. But, maybe they can work out their anger issues on that forum anyway.

:)

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[Blue Wolf]

I have an excellent idea about what you can do when it comes to Lady Mod.

It's this:


Sojustask
Junior Member

This message is hidden because Sojustask is on your ignore list.

I've never put anybody on ignore before, even over at scam.com. I started to read some of her comments but decided to stop doing it. I don't need to be annoyed by her. She acts the same no matter where she goes. So on "ignore" she went.

It's kind of funny though .... when I saw her name on this forum, my first thought was of that green witch in The Wizard of Oz. Honestly, that image suddenly popped in my head. LOL.

[Doc Bunkum]

So, I won't be engaging in any "pissing matches" on your site. But, maybe they can work out their anger issues on that forum anyway.

:)


Talking about anger issues, who was it that said:


Jesus, what a bunch of pricks. I came in here respectfully asking for help, and tried to answer what ever concerns you all had. ..

You can have your little mud puddle back. I've got better things, and better people, to deal with.

Or on the Yahoo! board:


Okay you arrogant ass, you’ve broken me! Now I’m pissed. Congratulations!

How dare you even suggest that I don’t answer questions that are asked of me. I JUST SPENT SIX GDF HOURS ON THIS BOARD ANSWERING YOUR PETTY, NIT-PICKY, PETHITIC, EVASIVE, COWARDLY QUESTIONS! Oh, I’m sure there’s your favorite somewhere that I’ve missed today. SO SORRY I DID’T SPENT 7 HOURS!


Among many other examples?

[Sojustask]

Talking about anger issues, who was it that said:



Or on the Yahoo! board:



Among many other examples?

I don't know, who? I don't go to Yahoo boards and I don't call people pricks. Are we talking about Len?

Lady Mod @ scam.com

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[Doc Bunkum]

I don't know, who? I don't go to Yahoo boards and I don't call people pricks. Are we talking about Len?

Lady Mod @ scam.com

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Well, yes we are. Tracy Coenen documented Lenny's little meltdown on Yahoo! here:

Usana defender Len Clements (http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2007/05/26/usana-defender-len-clements/)

As for the "pricks" tirade, that was for the enjoyment of the folks over on JREF.

While we certainly enjoy your input on this new forum, Stephanie, (at least I do) - please continue to be a regular contributor - I have to ask, do you really think it's safe to leave Lenny alone, unsupervised, on scam.com?

Oh, and I'm curious, but why the hell do you always put a period at the end of everyone of your posts?

[Seriously?]

The comment was shot at me that I, personally, would bring down the "Wrath of God" on anyone that put the link IN THEIR SIGNATURE LINE. I've not been known to do that, possibly because if it was in the signature line it wasn't a violation of the rules that are posted on the forum. That particular rule I came up with to keep the MLM people from just advertising their particular programs and not participating in the threads. Now, if you can actually post something that shows that I personally did otherwise, go for it. Otherwise, the prior post was misdirected and unfair.


I'd like to point out a couple things. First, as mod, supermod, admin, owner, etc, YOU represent the board. That goes for Lenny, Zachary and whatever mods are left. Secondly, as mod, supermod, admin, owner, etc, when you perform board functions, the membership does not necessarily know who did it. That is a major bone of contention (as you well know) over the banning of certain someones.

The membership does not always separate sojustask from the title supermod.

Essentially, you need to think about responses in terms of the board as opposed to personally. What you do reflects on the board. Something I think some people forget over there. As they say in the construction biz, measure twice, cut once.

So if you took that personally, I apologise. But you have made it rather difficult to know when you are taking your mod duties beyond the scope of your job on the board, since there have been times that what the rules say and what sojustask says are two different things. Your Majesty.


I don't know, who? I don't go to Yahoo boards and I don't call people pricks. Are we talking about Len?
Being disingenuous is not flattering.

[Emet]

We interrupt this thread to post some information:

Over at the JREF forums (viewable to members only, I think), all suspensions and bans are listed by the moderator who performed the action, as well as the reason(s).

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

[Seriously?]

We interrupt this thread to post some information:

Over at the JREF forums (viewable to members only, I think), all suspensions and bans are listed by the moderator who performed the action, as well as the reason(s).

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
The moderator who performed the action is not always the moderator that ordered the action. Reason? Don't need no [I refuse to use profanity] reason!

[Sojustask]

Well, yes we are. Tracy Coenen documented Lenny's little meltdown on Yahoo! here:

Usana defender Len Clements (http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2007/05/26/usana-defender-len-clements/)

As for the "pricks" tirade, that was for the enjoyment of the folks over on JREF.

While we certainly enjoy your input on this new forum, Stephanie, (at least I do) - please continue to be a regular contributor - I have to ask, do you really think it's safe to leave Lenny alone, unsupervised, on scam.com?

Can you not pull up two browsers at the same time? I usually have several open and multi-task. Besides, I don't think he's realized the site is back up yet. He'll figure it out eventually.


Oh, and I'm curious, but why the hell do you always put a period at the end of everyone of your posts?

Oh Hell! I did do that didn't I? Force of habit, I guess. In order for people to see the posts on scam without those stupid commercials being right on top of them I always put a period a few rows away from the post.

Lady Mod @ scam.com

[Sojustask]

I'd like to point out a couple things. First, as mod, supermod, admin, owner, etc, YOU represent the board. That goes for Lenny, Zachary and whatever mods are left. Secondly, as mod, supermod, admin, owner, etc, when you perform board functions, the membership does not necessarily know who did it. That is a major bone of contention (as you well know) over the banning of certain someones.

The membership does not always separate sojustask from the title supermod.

Essentially, you need to think about responses in terms of the board as opposed to personally. What you do reflects on the board. Something I think some people forget over there. As they say in the construction biz, measure twice, cut once.

So if you took that personally, I apologise. But you have made it rather difficult to know when you are taking your mod duties beyond the scope of your job on the board, since there have been times that what the rules say and what sojustask says are two different things. Your Majesty.

Hmmm, I'll have to work on that, then.



Being disingenuous is not flattering.

I wasn't. I suspected who he was talking about, but I wasn't positive about it. It was a candid question.

[Live&Learn]

Hmmm, I'll have to work on that, then.




I wasn't. I suspected who he was talking about, but I wasn't positive about it. It was a candid question.

LM,

Please tell the person you suspected that I got another virus from scam.com tonight. Nice work Lenny.

[Live&Learn]

Ya, something like that. Denial of Service attack. Those things are legit but I wouldn't know if it actually applied to scam.com's site. Lastnight, neither IE or Firefox could find any site for awhile. Nothing would pull up. I checked with tech support for my ISP and it wasn't something with my service. The Conspiracy theorists would have had a great time coming up with some kind of world wide government plot to shut down the Internet for the average man if given long enough to think about it. LOL.

It doesn't seem like a DoS attack, to me. I see you don't really trust George's explanation either.

[Unsaved Trash]

http://www.realscam.com/f22/gee-thanks-bunch-lady-mod-80/

[MWave]

Scam.com was hit by a Denial of Service attack. Since another website (Business For Home.org (http://www.businessforhome.org)) was hit just a couple weeks ago for their negative comments about a scam called TVI Express, and a very negative thread exists on Scam.com about this same scam, and both DOS attacks were initiated from East Asia, it is likely they are related.

But is is interesting that when a website that is designed to expose scams gets shut down by scammers, you all celebrate and root for the cyber-terrorists!

I also just want to point out one more thing... after I became an admin at Scam.com I began to enforce one, and only one, rule - no more completely baseless personal attacks made my someone just because it makes them feel good. That's it! That's the ONLY thing that has changed at Scam.com. And it is very interesting to see who has chosen not to participate under this restriction.

Someone in another thread commented that Scam.com was like a boil that finally came to a head and popped. I completely agree with the analogy. And it appears all the puss came here.

Len

[Unsaved Trash]

Len, this is not scam.com. Multiple identical posts are not allowed. Now off with your furry head.

[Sojustask]

LM,

Please tell the person you suspected that I got another virus from scam.com tonight. Nice work Lenny.


I don't see how you could be the only person on the Internet getting a virus from the site. What virus protection are you running?

Lady Mod @ scam.com

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[Lisa]

Scam.com was hit by a Denial of Service attack. Since another website (Business For Home.org (http://www.businessforhome.org)) was hit just a couple weeks ago for their negative comments about a scam called TVI Express, and a very negative thread exists on Scam.com about this same scam, and both DOS attacks were initiated from East Asia, it is likely they are related.

But is is interesting that when a website that is designed to expose scams gets shut down by scammers, you all celebrate and root for the cyber-terrorists!

I also just want to point out one more thing... after I became an admin at Scam.com I began to enforce one, and only one, rule - no more completely baseless personal attacks made my someone just because it makes them feel good. That's it! That's the ONLY thing that has changed at Scam.com. And it is very interesting to see who has chosen not to participate under this restriction.

Someone in another thread commented that Scam.com was like a boil that finally came to a head and popped. I completely agree with the analogy. And it appears all the puss came here.

Len

Liar. You said this today, and all I was trying to do was point out your double standard.


Keep in mind, though, that little off-topic tattle-tail posts like yours will be the first to go.

And my god... how many times have you threatened to ban me for violating rule 8 because you think I'm a troll? Even though applying your definition of what a "troll" is would make YOU a troll as well.

And then there's the lovely message that you left when you banned Doc... I believe it was something about him being an anti-MLM zealot. That's not really violating the one rule you claim to be enforcing. I could go on and on, but everyone here already knows you're a liar.

[Live&Learn]

Liar. You said this today, and all I was trying to do was point out your double standard.



And my god... how many times have you threatened to ban me for violating rule 8 because you think I'm a troll? Even though applying your definition of what a "troll" is would make YOU a troll as well.

And then there's the lovely message that you left when you banned Doc... I believe it was something about him being an anti-MLM zealot. That's not really violating the one rule you claim to be enforcing. I could go on and on, but everyone here already knows you're a liar.

Lenny is a troll desperately looking for attention anywhere he can find it now that he's trashed SCAM.com. He got laughed off the JREF board. Best to just ignore him.

[Lisa]

Lenny is a troll desperately looking for attention anywhere he can find it now that he's trashed SCAM.com. He got laughed off the JREF board. Best to just ignore him.

Will do... literally. Is there an ignore function on here??

[fastmoney]

Just like I said before, Len is trying to make scam.com into a site like ripoff report.. The entire reason Zach put Len as an admin, Ripoff report charges companies for posting good reviews....

Not a bad idea..

Now the question is, can Len actually pull it off.. I doubt it.. I would bet building a real business is not his forte...


From Scam.com.. ripoffreport.com and scam.com are not the same thing. The owner of that board chooses not to have it moderated, even by volunteers, and certainly can't single handedly investigate every claim.

Here, if a complaint is challenged, we can!

And if it is determined that a charge of scamming or any kind of illegal activity is found to be wrong, we have the discretion and ability to make it right!

That would make scam.com a better and more reliable, more credible source of information than ripoffreport.com.

Len


PS.Mumbles does not have a clue about cell phones..

[Live&Learn]

Will do... literally. Is there an ignore function on here??

Probably. However, I haven't found it yet.

How about an assist on this question from management? Thanks!

[Live&Learn]

Just like I said before, Len is trying to make scam.com into a site like ripoff report.. The entire reason Zach put Len as an admin, who charges companies for posting good reviews....

Not a bad idea..

Now the question is, can Len actually pull it off.. I doubt it.. I would bet building a real business is not his forte...

Len's "style" is the exact opposite of what someone needs to build a business.

[Seriously?]

Will do... literally. Is there an ignore function on here??

You can edit your ignore list in your Settings...

[Lisa]

Probably. However, I haven't found it yet.

How about an assist on this question from management? Thanks!

Click on settings, then on the left hand side there is an "Edit Ignore List", click on it and type in his username.

Lol, oh and I found it.

[Lisa]

You can edit your ignore list in your Settings...

Oops, took me to long to type my response. Thanks. :)

[Live&Learn]

You can edit your ignore list in your Settings...

Got it. Thanks. Done.

[MWave]

Liar. You said this today, and all I was trying to do was point out your double standard.

"Keep in mind, though, that little off-topic tattle-tail posts like yours will be the first to go."

And my god... how many times have you threatened to ban me for violating rule 8 because you think I'm a troll? Even though applying your definition of what a "troll" is would make YOU a troll as well.

And then there's the lovely message that you left when you banned Doc... I believe it was something about him being an anti-MLM zealot. That's not really violating the one rule you claim to be enforcing. I could go on and on, but everyone here already knows you're a liar.

Lisa, I don't think you are a liar, I think you are just clueless and don't have any idea what the hell you're talking about. Like when you accused me of touting my IQ under my screen name on Scam.com, which simply never happened - at least in the real world. Not sure about yours.

And you're post on Scam.com that I said would be deleted was precisely the kind of post I just described here! It was completely off topic and was clearly a direct personal attack towards me, because it makes you feel good to attack me.

And not only did I never say any of those things when I "banned Doc", I never banned Doc!

I'm curious, does anything embarrass you?

Len

[MWave]

Will do... literally. Is there an ignore function on here??

Yes, it's called the "COWARD" button.

Len

[Lisa]

This message is hidden because MWave is on your ignore list.

LOL I love it!

[MWave]

This message is hidden because MWave is on your ignore list.

LOL I love it!

So do I! Now I can respond to anything here without you or Live&Learn even seeing it, let alone fulfilling some pathological need to respond to everything that I say.

Thank you!

Anyone else here want to place me on ignore? PLEASE DO! I would love the opportunity to respond to your posts and only have the objective, reasonable readers of this board see them, without all your snotty, gratuitously offensive responses to me mucking things up.

Of course, that assumes any such reader actually ever comes here.

Len

[fastmoney]

Wow Len.. Very Trollish behavior, your doing exactly what you said everybody was doing to you??

Feed me!!! from you is all I see..

Sad Little Man you are...

[Doc Bunkum]

And not only did I never say any of those things when I "banned Doc", I never banned Doc!


Len

That's actually true.

Lenny didn't ban me - that salty old broad Stephanie did.

For providing a link to this website, I might add.

Funny, but Chrispy linked to some horse **** article Clements wrote on his web site the other day, but never got banned.

Wonder why that was? :confused:

[Seriously?]

let alone fulfilling some pathological need to respond to everything that I say.

Hmmm. Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet Pot.

Clueless.

[Lisa]

Hmmm. Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet Pot.

Clueless.

Did he actually say this in response to me? Oh, I'm laughing so hard it hurts.

[Sojustask]

It doesn't seem like a DoS attack, to me. I see you don't really trust George's explanation either.

Well, let's just say that after 5 years I've learn not to take everything he says as gospel.

[Sojustask]

That's actually true.

Lenny didn't ban me - that salty old broad Stephanie did.

For providing a link to this website, I might add.



Yes, you were advertising. Why didn't you just put it in your signature line?
I've wondered why you didn't do that.

[Live&Learn]

Well, let's just say that after 5 years I've learn not to take everything he says as gospel.

Can't blame you.

Please ban my account over there. I didn't realize it would take you a long time to delete all my posts. I thought you could do a mass delete.

[Live&Learn]

Yes, you were advertising. Why didn't you just put it in your signature line?
I've wondered why you didn't do that.

Before you ban me, could I go in and personally delete my posts?

[fastmoney]

I do not think they are going to delete your posts or let you delete them..

Sure, they can delete away, but then the original yoli thread might be taken out..

Seriously, what is the difference?

I stand by every word I typed on scam.com... Let it stay..

[Sojustask]

Before you ban me, could I go in and personally delete my posts?

All 900 and somethin'? Do what you want while you still can. Don't ask me to ban you, you haven't done anything and you can always
go back as someone else if you were tempted to anyway.

[Live&Learn]

Did Lenny change the title of a thread? I've never heard of such a thing.

[Whip]

It's what true anonymous trolls with buttons do.

[Seriously?]

Did Lenny change the title of a thread? I've never heard of such a thing.

Yes, yes he did. And to top it off, he edited another mod's post.

[Sojustask]

Did Lenny change the title of a thread? I've never heard of such a thing. I'm thinking that he must have, it went from being a scam to "Not" a scam on the berryview thread.

[Mike!]

I'm thinking that he must have, it went from being a scam to "Not" a scam on the berryview thread.

Dang girl, wake up! He's sticking his greasy fingers into all sorts of stuff he's got no freaking business doing over there. Will you go wack his pee pee and get this over with dang it. He's clearly lost his freaking unstable egocentric mind for crying out loud. UnSavedT says you should be able to chew him up and spit whats left out to feed some starving baby birds, all with one hand behind your back. Go do it, reclaim the place for yourself. Be a man, woman!

:judge: <- the world
:RpS_cursing: <- Clem Lemons