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NikSam

04-30-2015, 06:19 AM

Hello NikSam,

I dont know where you got your information from but I want to state here that next time verify your claims before you go about calling legitimate people scam. The following are real, serious and legitimate crowdfunding platforms from serious business people. Do not associate them with Uinvest, because the sites have no relationship with Uinvest.
investrealprojects.com (Barbara Korpalska, Moruf Fasasi)
cfundin.com (Joseph Dem, Stefan Grabow)
wetradenet.com (Edwin Nikolaas, Suzanna Doffer)

Ok, i said before, I do not want to waste time on these idiot scammers till they get somewhere, but lets take a quick look at Barbara & Moruf's investrealprojects.com.
Barbara is running around and telling everyone they fully legal - NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Any offer of public investment requires a local license/permit/prospectus in almost every place where you have investors - thats it , no exceptions, crowdfunding or not. The rules on it are strict as in Barbara's Poland and as in Moruf's Nigeria.
Do not attempt to hide behind non-profit crowdfunding which does not require a license because it is not an investment and comes in terms as donations or as sponsoring the development of a future product which sponsors will get or get some other non financial perks.

What fascinating about those two morons, is in their own terms and conditions, which they apparently did not read themselves (stolen or lied what they do to whoever wrote them), or perhaps they want to mislead the authorities and service providers such as PayPal and Payoneer and left that T&C just for that.

Here are some gems from their T&C (https://www.investrealprojects.com/terms-of-use/):

...
Definitions

In these Terms, we refer to those raising funds as “Campaign Owners” and to their fundraising campaigns as “Campaigns.” We refer to those contributing funds as “Contributors” and to the funds they contribute as “Contributions.” Campaign Owners, Contributors and other visitors to the Services are referred to collectively as “Users.”
...
Campaign Owners can offer gifts or rewards in the form of tangible items or intangible services (collectively, “Perks“) to Contributors.
...
Prohibited Perks

Campaign Owners are not permitted to offer or provide any of the following as a Perk:

* any form of “security” (as such term is defined in the Securities Act of 1933);
* any form of financial incentive or participation in any profit sharing;
...

Ok, Let see which Perks they give (https://www.investrealprojects.com/product/cocoa-beans-trading/):

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And please do not tell me that a perk of $3.75 per month for each share will be transfered somehow as cocoa beans (and not money) on the prepay debit cards they now pimping to their investors

:RpS_wink:

P.S. Ready to meet you scammers (or retards) in court any day to see how you will try to defend obvious law violations.

littleroundman

04-30-2015, 06:38 AM

$75.00 per share

$3.75 per month "perks"

That's a 60% annual return on investment in anyones' language

C'mon scammers, you're gonna have to come up with a better story than that

60% annual ROI, my a**

NikSam

04-30-2015, 06:53 AM

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60% annual ROI, my a**

Plus full return of deposit in 3 years.

TEDY

04-30-2015, 10:24 AM

NikSam

04-30-2015, 01:45 PM

and because you think that this is impossible for you company is scammer ? You know from what and how much profit have this company ? You checked price market before write your opinion? Fundrasing is not the same as crowdfunding . And this is my decision where I give my money . If I see interesting project I checked on net the perspective of the business. I checked always data like market price and market on the world in this business sector . I chcked info about market in country where is project too . Ofcourse all after verification company . And after I can write opinion possible or not possibe ;)

Tedy, if you decided to loose your money it is almost imposible for me to stop you. If you believe that an illegally operating website can generate 60% per year profit, but for some reason they need your (complete internet stranger's) money. Those who can make such profits would want to keep them and not be so generous making complete strangers rich. I also demonstrated that such people have absolutely no experience or education to run even a traktor, let alone an investment company.
The information here not for people like you (come back in couple years or when you realize you've been scammed), I only trying to open the eyes of people who have the ears. I would never feel sorry for people like you, and I prefer you would learn your lesson the hard way, and few times over till you really get it that you would always loose money with such profits on illegally operating sites.

P.S. those exact people who while in Uinvest were laundering money for UI (serving as "FPs") and reselling unregistered securities ("TOPs", "GUN agents", "Franchise")
already broke hell a lot of laws worldwide, could never offer you anything good. And level of their knowledge on finance speaks volumes by itself if they involved themselves with UScam.

NikSam

04-30-2015, 02:49 PM

P.P.S. investrealprojects.com Terms & Conditions were copy-pasted from indiegogo.com - a non-profit (perks only) crowdfunding which does not need the licenses because it is not in form of investments. So are the investrealprojects scammers or retards ? I vote both.

ribshaw

04-30-2015, 04:05 PM

and because you think that this is impossible for you company is scammer ?

Yes

And this is my decision where I give my money .

Give being the important adjective, like Santa.

TEDY

05-01-2015, 11:01 AM

I see one thing some here recently, much to the excitement of the new options like Cfundin or investrealprojects.com) but do not have a clue about e.g. crowdfunding value. As for the profits on African market is checked for comparison, the price of cocoa on the local market and the buying-in price of cocoa from farmers. The difference is 8-10% so if your company deals with trading and doing even just 1-2 deal of the month for the amount of money the project might not give 5% per month? It should be noted that the costs of these activities are small.
The company helps sell products through their farmers Elegance which has a huge impact on improving their quality of life. As for the statements on this license always experts pseudo you will find. So my question to them now-what is law in Nigeria? And I ask about specific information
rather than Scribble about Europe and the United States.
From what I see on the page investrealprojects.com for investors 15 k or more have a proposal for registration of partnership with the company in Nigeria. I can sign it with conditions from this agreement-yes I read it. Investors get shares in the project and have a share in the profits. I don't see anywhere the information that the company may not share the profits. Money from the project are for the development of the company. On the page I see only the projects of the company and not others from other countries.

littleroundman

05-01-2015, 11:26 AM

Why are you pretending to be a simple investor, Moruf ???

You know and I know and the rustlers' dog knows there's not 60% a year ROI available to pay investors from cocoa beans.

Just like the Uinvest "investment" you were promoting all over the internet, it's a fraud, pure and simple and the "investments" on your website at investrealprojects.com are a whole pile of nonsense

Crowdfunding, my a**

More like "Crowd-ripping-off"

ribshaw

05-01-2015, 12:35 PM

As for the profits on African market is checked for comparison, the price of cocoa on the local market and the buying-in price of cocoa from farmers. The difference is 8-10% so if your company deals with trading and doing even just 1-2 deal of the month for the amount of money the project might not give 5% per month?

It won't give 5% per month because Cocoa only has two harvesting seasons. Nigeria’s two cocoa harvests include the main crop from October to December, and the smaller midcrop from April to June. Down to 30% already and we are just gemming started.

Nigeria Cocoa Midcrop Battles Amid Sparse Rains, Heat - Bloomberg Business (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-19/nigeria-cocoa-midcrop-battles-amid-sparse-rains-heat)

Processors also struggle to obtain beans in a local market dominated by exporters’ buying agents, -THINK THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO LET A FEW CLOWNS WALK IN AND TAKE 60%? BRING YOUR MACHETE!!!

Nigeria Cocoa Processors Face Cost Barriers to EU Exports - Bloomberg Business (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-10-21/nigeria-cocoa-processors-face-cost-barriers-to-eu-exports)

Show me paired trade on this current futures board that locks in 60% risk free. Take delivery of the front month and hold for 2 years to deliver at a loss, pure ******* genius.

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http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/agricultural/softs/cocoa.html

It should be noted that the costs of these activities are small.

The only thing that is small is your understanding of this market. The costs are massive and even if you could exploit small farmers for such a large amount, the infrastructure in many areas is so poor and dangerous the cost may be your life.

You assume a few warlords and corrupt bureaucrats are going to let you waltz in and lop 60% off the top to pass around to internet dreamers. Or better yet someone already has this deal in place raping local farmers for 60% while secretly yearning to send all their hardscrabble gains to some hopeful crowdfunders.

Have you considered arbing Postal Reply coupons, I don't think that has ever been tired.

TEDY

05-01-2015, 12:48 PM

ribshaw

05-01-2015, 12:59 PM

So maybe few morons will be can understand it ;)

FWIW Morons tend to do better with pictures. See how the "Fair Trade" price for Cocoa very closely matches the price in New York? That means your pretendy 60% is small and getting smaller all the time.

Maybe crowdfund a time machine and repost this on a 1960s message board.

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Fairtrade International / Products / Cocoa (http://www.fairtrade.net/cocoa.html)

EagleOne

05-01-2015, 01:19 PM

I just love it when the Ponzi pimps come here and try to pimp their Ponzi to us thinking they can snow us like the masses. Then when we expose it is a Ponzi, then we are called morons or other names.

But it sure is fun watching TEDY try to explain away the facts versus his BS and why his BS is real and the facts are not. Pure entertainment. Always good to have a good laugh now and then and TEDY certainly provides laughs by the truck load. Can't wait for the next post from TEDY claiming: but, but, but......................

TEDY

05-01-2015, 01:30 PM

EagleOne

05-01-2015, 02:20 PM

difference price buy /sale in trading is stable 8-10% because if he have contracts for sale he negotiates price with farmers for buy .He is the Secretary General of one of the associations of farmers in region Oyo and have more 2000 members so I think always is better ask like write stupid text without info.

"What fascinating about those two morons, is in their own terms and conditions, which they apparently did not read themselves (stolen or lied what they do to whoever wrote them), or perhaps they want to mislead the authorities and service providers such as PayPal and Payoneer and left that T&C just for that. "

So eagle this are not my words about morons

Maybe I should have said "pseudo experts" (which you did call us) and other names instead of "morons" and other names. You agreed with the content that people who do not buy the BS and Hype are morons or you would not have posted that information. In conjunction with thinking we are morons, and you do think we are morons, you also said we are not experts but claiming/pretending we are. The point is what you are trying to pass off as legitimate is a Ponzi. And right on cue we had your but, but, but......response.

TEDY

05-01-2015, 02:36 PM

ribshaw

05-01-2015, 03:37 PM

difference price buy /sale in trading is stable 8-10% because if he have contracts for sale he negotiates price with farmers for buy .He is the Secretary General of one of the associations of farmers in region Oyo and have more 2000 members so I think always is better ask like write stupid text without info.

Of course he his, and rather than put all that profit in his pocket, his friends pockets, or in a foreign bank account he wants to share it with flunkies he never met. Wait let me guess, besides having this massive spread at his fingertips he needs you to fund the deal.

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The July contract opened at 2966 and the September at 2950, if I were to spread them that difference is 16, not even close to 8-10%, actually less than 1%. While that would be a safe trade, it is hardly risk free, and certainly not free of transaction costs.

Lets take your "Secretary General" who has access to the same futures market as I do. He goes into the futures market and sells for future delivery as many contracts as he needs to cover the cocoa he is buying. Borrows his cash from the broker and buys his cocoa, loads it up and delivers it to settle his contracts. He walks away with the 8-10% you claim and has no need or interest in dealing with $50 flunkies.

Maybe when you are playing Sim City you can work deals like this, real world not so much.

As you say better to ask than write stupid text without info.

EagleOne

05-01-2015, 05:14 PM

I see no mater for you how documents , license , certificates have company (before I saw here texts about morons who act illegal) ;) for you all is ponzi , I think you losed money on UI so you are angry. I too invested there and never saw documents BO or calculating , never I can talk with BO project. On investrealprojects.com I see all documents and I can talk with business owner , have with him contact and can have agreement partnership with him. So for me this is very big difference . I mean that without info very easy is write about all scammers, ponzi etc but why you never and nothing checked before ?

Oh good grief. This is the best you could do is claim that I lost in UI? Seriously? I'm not that stupid or gullible to fall for the pie-in-the-sky BS of UI or any other Ponzi for that matter. You may want to try reading up on people before you go around making silly statements like this about them.

Whip

05-01-2015, 07:14 PM

Oh good grief. This is the best you could do is claim that I lost in UI?

well, he has to try and back up the ridiculous 'you're not experts' excuse somehow.

ribshaw

05-01-2015, 07:49 PM

I just love it when the Ponzi pimps come here and try to pimp their Ponzi to us thinking they can snow us like the masses.

Agree Eagle. Tedy did bring us some old school chocolate flavor with this one, better than the click 10 ads stuff of late. Fifteen years or so back I had a coffee shop owner explain that some coffee farmers often had to sell their beans for much less than market. Not wanting to be kidnapped by FARC I figured it an opportunity best left to the locals. I suspect the Cocoa market has enough of the same types of corruption that this makes a great Ponzi backstory.

Keep them deals coming Tedy.

NikSam

05-02-2015, 04:11 AM

I can pasted here very interesting talk on group Cocoa where Barbara and Moruf have all time on line contact with investors
So maybe few morons will be can understand it ;)
[18:14:56] Moruf Fasasi: but i have cooperative certificate
[18:15:27] Moruf Fasasi: but is anyone asking for licence?
[18:15:46] Barbara Korpalska: what is this ? you can talk me more about this certificate ?
[18:16:27] Moruf Fasasi: there is a room for international investor to invest in Nigeria
[18:17:03] Barbara : but is anyone asking for licence?yes so I want clarify this questions and therefore I ask about law in your country :)
[18:18:38] Moruf Fasasi: there is no licence for this
[18:18:44] Moruf Fasasi: in Nigeria
[18:18:52] Barbara : for crowdfunding I know not law
[18:19:31] Barbara : we must be not any financial institution for collection money from investors ?
[18:20:44] Moruf Fasasi: we are company, and people invest. simple
[18:21:28] Moruf Fasasi: it difference form croudfunding company without real or direct business
[18:23:08] Moruf Fasasi: in Nigeria, we call it a cooperative society
[18:23:42] Moruf Fasasi: where people buy shares
[18:26:28] Barbara : cooperative society must have any license ?
[18:26:42] Barbara : for create shares ?
[18:28:51] Moruf Fasasi: we have certificate, and is with you. ELEGANCE INVESTMENT MULTIPURPOSE COOPERATIVE SOCIETY
[18:31:09] Barbara : yes I have it so with this certificate you can cooperate with investors and sale shares correct ?
[18:31:24] Moruf Fasasi: YES

Certificate is pasted from start site in project Cocoa so for all pseudo experts here I think is clear now ;)

I recommend you to study your Nigerian Securities Act: http://www.sec.gov.ng/files/20090915470014THE%20INVESTMENTS%20AND%20SECURITIES %20Act%202007.pdf
specifically - PART IX: PUBLIC OFFER AND SALE OF SECURITIES AND INVITATIONS TO THE PUBLIC

You are not educated enough on finance to launch an investment firm and more likely will end up in jail.

1. You are not a public company which licensed to list their shares on a stock exchange.
2. You are not offering private investments to acredited investors for which you filled prospectus with Nigerian SEC.
3. You are offering unregistered securities to the public, on internet.
4. You are offering shares to foreign citizens, breaking the laws of those countries because you not licensed there either.

Damn, why scammers always so dumb.
You are operating illegally.

Shove your certificate up (you know where), any ass can get it , it just a business entity registration.

If you are a retard for real who thinks he can make more than 60% per year trading beans, than at least consult your local strartup specialist (financial adviser, licensed securities broker). So they can tell you in your face that you are moron.

But something tells me you just want to scam people or do not care if you make 60%, you still got the money - screw the dumb investors.

TEDY

05-02-2015, 04:27 AM

"The July contract opened at 2966 and the September at 2950" so where you see problem if price on the market change ? If price is for example 2966 per tone he buy it from farmers with price 8-10% percent less . If price is 2950 the same he buy less 8-10% less.
" local market dominated by exporters’ buying agents" - yes his company is local agent and work with his associate farmers
Farmers cocoa can bring all year in Nigeria but in the rainy season, cocoa must be dried in a drying machines.
Company trade not only cocoa beans - other goods like cahew nuts, soya or palm oil they have too , offer company you see https://www.investrealprojects.com/our-products/
If you want import from him site investrealprojects.com is not only option for investment , for business with him too.
Company work in Nigeria not only export and import
Company used banks lonas ofcourse too but one loan for one contract in one time is to slow process if company want trade fast, now they waste to much time for procedures and can not realize much contracts in one time .
For certificate ELEGANCE INVESTMENT MULTIPURPOSE COOPERATIVE SOCIETY he must have conditions as company too so I think his authority good know his company before give him it .

NikSam

05-02-2015, 04:34 AM

I see no mater for you how documents , license , certificates have company ...

What license you talking about ? Driver's :)

...
Company used banks lonas ofcourse too but one loan for one contract in one time is to slow process if company want trade fast, now they waste to much time for procedures and can not realize much contracts in one time .....

Hahaha, are you trying to say the banks do not want to earn 60% per year, and you must solicit online strangers who always invest in HYIPs? :)

...
So eagle this are not my words about morons

Oh, so sorry, I am not used to be polite to scammers, to ponzi pimps and to other criminals. Call me a dirty mouth, but catching scams in advance, I was always right.

heh, these scammers really pulling my leg to pay more attention to them.
But till you get more victims, i still do not think its worth to open up a thread dedicated to you - too much attention for nothing.

NikSam

05-02-2015, 05:06 AM

... He is the Secretary General of one of the associations of farmers in region Oyo and have more 2000 members ...

So what ?
The prince of Nigeria once personally sent me email asking to help him to move some diamonds and money.

Also, in Peru, the farmers associations (more than few thousands people and also have Secretaries) decided to grow cocaine instead of vegetables.

TEDY

05-02-2015, 05:25 AM

NikSam read better what I write , where you see any info from company about work on stock ? So for you only companies from stock can cooperate with investors ? If company is not public must have certificate and this company have it . Is for me difference trading capital with public company and cooperate with investors in private sector . Start-ups on other crowdfunding sites have license ? https://www.crowdcube.com/ from whom they have certificate for work ? You read about this institution ? You read when was created this institution ? I see certificate Elegance Investment Multipurpose Cooperative Society Limited on this site with date registration 27 July 2012 so for me all is ok because company have certificate for cooperate with investors and I not invite you to investment on this site we discus now about law . As I write before for same people all will be scam ;) and they all know always better . For me if company have database farmers and have contracts for sale goods = trading goods , faster trading = higher profit for company and I never talk about not risk , always is risk in business .

TEDY

05-02-2015, 08:01 AM

I see on site investrealprojects.com one very interesting document Certificate of Incorporation so all can see it Elegance Agroallied Multipurpose Business Limited and if you will be pasted this name on google you see this site RegCharles Finance and Capital Ltd. (http://regcharleswebservices.com/rfcngeambl.html) I think this can show very good that companies Mr Moruf work real and serious .

cfund

05-02-2015, 08:50 AM

Give it up or let it be. You can’t talk with such people. They all see the world is only a scamming place and they look through the rose-colored glasses. After weeks of saying 0 and get a warning from MOD. They finally come back and just want say nonsense like every day and only prattle. Maybe u go to indigogo and kickstarter , bergfürst and co and say to them that they are also scammer etc have no license. Blabla, all these nonsense. They will prove that they have licenses, securities and all these stuff.

The only thing we can learn is ok : IF a person have success [Maybe he earn a lot] then people always had haters and begrudger . ok they not grudge somebody something.(e.g. M.Zuckerberg, steve jobs, b. gates ........).

These people are just here to hate and lose a bad word about persons they not know.
Finally I would repeat again come b2t.
I know u not have success in your life but why must this be the place here to discuss about it?
We all know that no one can hide behind so called “nicknames” or “IPs” indifferent if people use any proxy services or not. Isn't that so? Nick.
Sometimes i wish i can get an answer from what your sceptics comes from?
Why u not admit that u are old investors???
I know that at least eagle and nik was some old investors. ;).

Finally for me it’s the end here the topic just turn around cfund in IRP. (IRP =NO US SEC laws)

See you in my signature....

Whip

05-02-2015, 08:56 AM

See you in my signature....

yes. you do motivate us to keep exposing you and your scams. Nobody 'hates' more than scammers that are exposed.

littleroundman

05-02-2015, 09:36 AM

I know that at least eagle and nik was some old investors

Can't help making yourself look stupid, can you ??

NikSam

05-02-2015, 10:26 AM

NikSam read better what I write ,....

Write better what I read.

Shove your certificate of incorporation up your ass (I have 3 of those), Only the Nigerian SEC can grant you a license for collective investment to target nigerian investrors. You are not quialifying as a private investment because you target worldwide strangers online (public). And even if you had such license in Nigeria,
you are still forbidden to target investors in other countries till you get licenses in each.

About crowdcube, did they ever target investors outside of UK ? Did they ever violate the excemption rules ? did they ever offer stated ROI %?

Equity crowdfunding web sites like Crowdcube currently operate under exemptions put in place by the UK’s Financial Conduct Authority, or FCA. (Formerly the Financial Services Authority, or FSA) It’s an iterative approach to crowdfunding that places the focus on sophisticated investors for now. These sites can avoid the cost-prohibitive fees of becoming fully registered entities by navigating this complicated web of exemptions…

They are legal in UK , because they target UK only investors, not advertising it , and only accept limited number of qualified investors.

Get a qualified advice from a stock broker in your country (and in each other you accept investors from), moron.
You are operating illegally.

I see on site investrealprojects.com one very interesting document Certificate of Incorporation so all can see it Elegance Agroallied Multipurpose Business Limited and if you will be pasted this name on google you see this site RegCharles Finance and Capital Ltd. (http://regcharleswebservices.com/rfcngeambl.html) I think this can show very good that companies Mr Moruf work real and serious .

And what are you trying to say by that ? You are still not licensed to accept public investments in any country of the world.

...
Sometimes i wish i can get an answer from what your sceptics comes from?
Why u not admit that u are old investors???
I know that at least eagle and nik was some old investors. ;).

Finally for me it’s the end here the topic just turn around cfund in IRP. (IRP =NO US SEC laws)

...

Stefan, nobody takes you seriously.
So, if me and Eagle are old investors why don't you listen our advice ?
Or by that you tried to say we are old farts and you ( young investors) know better ?

... Maybe u go to indigogo and kickstarter , bergfürst and co and say to them that they are also scammer etc have no license. Blabla, all these nonsense. They will prove that they have licenses, securities and all these stuff.
..

And maybe you will stop being an idiot, and actually try to understand the difference between paying ROI and non-profit perks.
paying 8% per month in your crap without licenses is not the same as
paying with a final video game to those who sponsored its development.

read up on Equity crowdfunding, licensing and legal frameworks on equity crowdfunding in each country you trying to attract investors from.

You want german public to buy shares ? - You must have BaFin permit to do that or fit in the exception rules and file prospectus.
You want UK public to buy your shares ? - You must have FCA licensing or fit in the exception rules and file prospectus.
You want US investors to buy your shares ? - You must have US SEC licensing or fit in the exception rules and file prospectus.

You want to raise funds to make a video game and when you make it each donor gets a copy or 2 of the game - No license needed, it is not an investment. scheme.
You want to make an invention and each who sponsored you will get t-shirts - No license needed, it is not an investment .

ribshaw

05-02-2015, 10:33 AM

"The July contract opened at 2966 and the September at 2950" so where you see problem if price on the market change ? If price is for example 2966 per tone he buy it from farmers with price 8-10% percent less .

Yes, "he" buys it from the farmers at an alleged 8-10% discount and delivers it right to the holding bins at the futures exchange settling his contracts and pocketing all that money himself. You seem to not understand that organized commodity exchanges exist to handle this exact transaction. There is NO scenario outside your scammer fantasy world that it works any differently.

You are also pretending the alleged 8-10% discount is pure gravy going in your guy's pocket for him to share. Any farm that can make it to market will not discount their crop this steeply, either the discount represents true carry costs or exploitation and neither represents a goody bag for punters.

I give you an A for Amusing, but an N for Not with my money.

Company used banks lonas ofcourse too but one loan for one contract in one time is to slow process if company want trade fast, now they waste to much time for procedures and can not realize much contracts in one time

That is the silliest thing you have said thus far and where your story starts to unravel. Best if you are going to use this scam not to go into too much detail or you will only be able to sucker the really stupid.

TEDY

05-02-2015, 01:31 PM

hehe contracts I mean agreements for sale to other companies and company know price what will be have from agreement . Price on market is use for negotiate only price buy and sale . You think that big buyers cocoa beans buy it always with market price ??? No they always want less price . Who is buyer ? Example Continaf you can read about this company on net . Farmers have meetings biweekly , monthy where they discus price . Associate work for them and Elegance Mutipurpose Business Ventures is theirs agent without agent farmers can not sale cocoa to big companies . I see you too write as other without info about reality work farmers in Nigeria ;)

NikSam

05-02-2015, 02:46 PM

I 'll let LRM to decide if cfundin and investrealprojects deserve their own threads here, and move related conversations there, not to clog this one (which is about UI).

In my opinion, they are low profile, hardly have few investors and it might be just too much of an attention.
But they insist to talk about them here.

TEDY

05-02-2015, 04:28 PM

You start talk here about scammers

So I too start checked but better as you .
I see on net for example this info :
"Elegance Agroallied Multipurpose Business Ltd (EAMBL) is an agric multi-product trading company.
The company was formally registered as Elegance Multipurpose Business Ventures but was subsequently restructured and re-incorporated with the new name in May 2013.

In addition of the company being registered in Nigeria by Corporate Affairs Commission, it is also duly registered with the Ministry of Trade and Investment
as Cooperative Society in order to carry out effective Agricultural businesses and services to corporate, private and the public sectors.

The Company is a major trader of Cash Crops produce such as Cashew Nuts, Cocoa Bean, Soya Bean, Groundnuts, Sorghum, Cotton Seed, etc.

Elegance Agroallied Multipurpose Business Ltd (EAMBL) needed Financial Support to meet their Customers’ demand.
Being a co-operative of farmers that trades in agricultural produce, they needed support in the areas of Capacity Development and Finance from a financier who could understand their situation. "
And read all this article and from what company is this info RegCharles Finance and Capital Ltd. (http://regcharleswebservices.com/rfcngeambl.html) . But for you all is scam ofcourse ;) For me not because I see documents on investrealprojects.com plus I see this info on site other financial company RegCharles FC Ltd.
@RFClimited

RegCharles Finance and Capital Limited, a Non-Bank Financial Institution, licensed by CBN to provide Investment Management Services and Nurture SMEs in Nigeria.

ribshaw

05-02-2015, 05:07 PM

Price on market is use for negotiate only price buy and sale . You think that big buyers cocoa beans buy it always with market price ??? No they always want less price .

It is uncanny how often a scammer when outed will repeat himself or claim the people that exposed him don't understand. Never once did I say that there was no discount, what I said was no one was going to hand a gain like that over to bunch of idiots who think they can sit back and collect 5% per month. That is a Ponzi scheme fantasy plain and simple.

If the spread between two contracts over two months is less than 1%, that is about what someone with very low transaction costs should be expect rolling contracts on the market. 5% monthly is laughable.

I see you too write as other without info about reality work farmers in Nigeria ;)

You would be surprised what I know, as I said you took an old story of inefficiencies and turned it into a scam.

The poor price transmission between export markets and producers level prevented producers from receiving prices reflecting international price trends.

http://www.fao.org/3/a-at586e.pdf

.He is the Secretary General of one of the associations of farmers in region Oyo and have more 2000 members

And he aint sharing his cut with a bunch of numpties on the web.

The Company is a major trader of Cash Crops produce such as Cashew Nuts, Cocoa Bean, Soya Bean, Groundnuts, Sorghum, Cotton Seed, etc.

And they aint sharing either. Besides no "major trader" in the world has to pay a 60% vig or doesn't have $200,000 sitting in a margin account.

10439

http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/agricultural/softs/cocoa_contract_specifications.html
http://www.farmdoc.illinois.edu/irwin/archive/papers/Farmers%20use%20of%20forward%20contracts.pdf

Best case scenario you are dealing with some idiot that's going to raise money with this foolishness and blow it trading the futures market. And I am not even that optimistic.

TEDY

05-02-2015, 08:20 PM

"It is uncanny how often a scammer when outed will repeat himself or claim the people that exposed him don't understand. Never once did I say that there was no discount, what I said was no one was going to hand a gain like that over to bunch of idiots who think they can sit back and collect 5% per month. That is a Ponzi scheme fantasy plain and simple.

If the spread between two contracts over two months is less than 1%, that is about what someone with very low transaction costs should be expect rolling contracts on the market. 5% monthly is laughable."

From what you have this "great" calculating 1%? Sorry maybe I must use other word as contract , profit - company have 8-10% margin from one transaction ;)

okosh

05-02-2015, 08:53 PM

I know that at least eagle and nik was some old investors. ;).

Hi cfund....Welcome to realscam....

I am very interested for more information about this........Can you please post for me any information you have about eagle and nik being investors in Uinvest.....Account numbers...screen shots....anything at all that you have please post it here for me....

Thanks....:RpS_smile:

littleroundman

05-02-2015, 11:59 PM

company have 8-10% margin from one transaction

Even if they did, it is still not enough to return an annual ROI of 50% to 60% to "investors"

Why would they give away 50% to 60% of their profit to "crowdfunders" ???

With that sort of return, why wouldn't they borrow from a bank or even a loan shark ??

Simple answer ???

There's is no where near the sort of margin in cacao beans to be able to promise those sort of returns to "real" investors.

Only ponzi players and people completely unfamiliar with commodity prices would fall for the line of bulltish you're spreading

littleroundman

05-03-2015, 01:03 AM

As for your other nonsense claims,

once again you're using all the old ponzi fraudsters' tricks to try and fool potential victims into thinking they are dealing with a legitimate business and not just a band of penny-ante crooks.

* Registered business: of course it's "registered" every business has to register with someone, whether it's the local council or a licensing bureau.

Even the people hiring out deckchairs on the beach in Thailand are "registered"

My local sandwich shop is "registered"

They are NOT registered, however, to defraud people or run a ponzi or pyramid scheme

* Incorporated: Anyone can "incorporate" a business or sporting club or community organization online for under $100 without even having to be there in person.

My local under 14 soccer club is "incorporated"

Incorporation is designed to protect the people inside the incorporated body against being held personally responsible in the event something goes wrong or the business goes bankrupt.

Incorporation does NOT protect consumers

Incorporation also does NOT protect against illegal activities

path2prosperity

05-03-2015, 02:10 AM

Whip

05-03-2015, 03:54 AM

Whip

05-03-2015, 03:59 AM

As for your other nonsense claims,

once again you're using all the old ponzi fraudsters' tricks to try and fool potential victims into thinking they are dealing with a legitimate business and not just a band of penny-ante crooks.

* Registered business: of course it's "registered" every business has to register with someone, whether it's the local council or a licensing bureau.

Even the people hiring out deckchairs on the beach in Thailand are "registered"

My local sandwich shop is "registered"

They are NOT registered, however, to defraud people or run a ponzi or pyramid scheme

* Incorporated: Anyone can "incorporate" a business or sporting club or community organization online for under $100 without even having to be there in person.

My local under 14 soccer club is "incorporated"

Incorporation is designed to protect the people inside the incorporated body against being held personally responsible in the event something goes wrong or the real business goes bankrupt.

Incorporation does NOT protect consumers

Incorporation also does NOT protect against illegal activities

just a little addendum since scammers think their 'business' is real.

TEDY

05-03-2015, 08:41 AM

littleroundman

05-03-2015, 09:03 AM

You can mock as much as you like, Moruf and you can use all the proxies to login here that you like,

you ARE a Nigerian scammer with a history of both participating in and pimping HYIP ponzi frauds and your latest effort is no different.

You were a major pimp for the Uinvest fraud right up until the owners ran away with the money

Registered to do business in Nigeria or not, NOBODY can produce a guaranteed annual ROI of more than 50% of the invested amount WITHOUT being a ponzi or pyramid ESPECIALLY not dealing in a basic commodity such as cacao beans

So, mock and LOL and insult away to your hearts' content.

NikSam

05-03-2015, 09:31 AM

Hi cfund....Welcome to realscam....

I am very interested for more information about this........Can you please post for me any information you have about eagle and nik being investors in Uinvest.....Account numbers...screen shots....anything at all that you have please post it here for me....

Thanks....:RpS_smile:

This cfund is Stefan Grabow (http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index13.html#post65147) of cfundin scheme.
He is well known from uinvest as "Germanpolice" or GP, he was a collaborator, lured a lot of people to uinvest. And was reselling unregistered securities (UI "obligations") himself
as "TOP" (re-selling uinvest shares himself and receiving money from uinvestors to his own and his buddy (Bartek (http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index13.html#post65531)) payprocessor accounts).
Later he became one of those UI franchisers (got his own sub-site under uinvest.com.ua domain) and sold shares from there.

On Several occasions he confused me with other uinvestor Christopher (strange that i Do not talk german at all).
Maybe because Chris was saying same things i was sayin and once i passed some non-public information on people behind UI to Chris, GP leaked it, so GP and Chris know each other, but for some reason GP thinks we are the same person :)

P.S. I am curious also to see how his mind works, and what made him come to these conclusions, but sadly it is almost imposible to understand what he is saying all the time. I've been told he talks the same way in german too and has some "condition".

On one occasion GP was impersonating me (as "Nik") in uinvest chat, "to catch those who wants to damage UI" - as he explained to one uinvestor.

TEDY

05-03-2015, 09:49 AM

If I good know all buyers from Cocoa project (who bought it in time last year) got now shares on new site for continue , so with close UI BO not think about run away with money investors , he paid dividends on UI to people from April 2014. As I wrote before for same all will be always scammers and super experts will be always exist. For me this is not scam because I see documents , because I see interesting info about this company on other site from financial institution , because company as agent have margine from trading goods=8%-10% profit from one deal, because they have now much contracts for realize , because they are register in authority in theirs country as corporation , because they have certificate with what can work with investors , because goverment help this sector too, because this project I saw from March 2014 on UI as TOP project ( not UI project) , because I see all data to contact with this company , because they want nothing hide as other who want scam people and all data people can verified , because I see in project Cocoa proposal logic and good agreement for big investors with register official partnership in Nigeria if they will be want.

littleroundman

05-03-2015, 10:15 AM

I'll give you one thing, Moruf,

you're an expert at posting lots of words and saying precisely nothing.

Perhaps you'd be better off restricting yourself to posting your nonsense on the HYIP ponzi forums you frequent, where you'll perhaps have more luck convincing people you aren't a serial ponzi pimp and you know what you're talking about.

Once again, even IF you made 8% to 10% profit on each trade you made, it STILL wouldn't be enough to pay your crowdfunding "investors" an annual return of over 50% a year for three years.

No matter how many permits and approvals or official permission you say you have.

NikSam

05-03-2015, 10:22 AM

I see here only SUPER EXPERTS haha . Read better what I wrote , I never wrote that company from investrealprojects.com can cooperate with investors because has Certificate of Incorporation , they have certificate ELEGANCE INVESTMENT COOPERATIVE MULTIPURPOSE SOCIETY and with it they can cooperate with investors . I never belive words company who have site but if I see on other sites info about them , if I see info about company on site financial institution like RegCharles Finance and Capital Limited, a Non-Bank Financial Institution, licensed by CBN to provide Investment Management Services and Nurture SMEs in Nigeria. I think they know better like all SUPER EXPERTS here what they do. For me if I see that the company is an agent and have margine = HAVE PROFIT from work . So time will be show I will be register there and observe them before my investment . Site is very young but I wish them success. For me is very good idea cooperate with reliable partner in this country . They nothing hide as other . Yes all know Nigeria as country with very big amount scammers and corruption . So not strange for me that real business want looking capital with investors from all world . I hope this will be first big crowdfunding platforme in Nigeria where real business from this country will be able to seek capital
and avoiding corruption.
About Cfundin I nothing know at the moment therefore I not write about theirs offer

If you talking about documents you have here: https://www.investrealprojects.com/about-us/

None of them is authorizing to offer and sell securities to the public.
As to where else is information on the company listed, that means nothing.
CBN, Regcharles and any other than Nigerian SEC is in no authority to grant any investment license in Nigeria, but could be misled or lied to promote or mention some company on their resources.

remember how Uinvest tricked WestPark Capital?
UI went to Westpark and asked for consultation , they signed contract that Westpark will provide consulting services.
Next day UI pushed press release that UI and Westpark are now partners :) Which made Westpark mad and westpark demanded UI to clarify that there was no partnership and UI must clarify that in another press release. They did but it had no effect, uinvestors started talking how UI is storming US, "UI will be a NASDAQ soon" - crap :). Westpark had to terminate all relationship with UI to save their ass.

remember how mayor of Novara,Italy was tricked to do a speech in Uinvest pimping event in Italy ?
You have no idea how he feels now.
I will make sure Italian CONSOB will not let him go easy. And it will cost him next re-election as his opponents will be aware of it, specifically that UI was declared illegal by CONSOB.

littleroundman

05-03-2015, 10:28 AM

http://imageshack.com/a/img910/7493/stiOpJ.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/6898/EZX51j.jpg

NikSam

05-03-2015, 10:31 AM

Tedy,
Do not get me wrong. Maybe i want you to get a lot of investors :)
So it would account for me wasting time to go after you and everyone who promoted your ponzi in any way.
I know some people in Nigeria who want to clear its country name from constant association with fraud, wait till they hear about what you do.
Maybe you will be that example I need to show the world on how they deal with ponzis, but this ponzi is nothing yet, just few uneducated locals and serial HYIP players invested.

littleroundman

05-03-2015, 10:31 AM

Hmmn, Suite 1&2 salvation shopping centre, off Arulogun/Barrack road,Ojoo Ibadan, Oyo 23402

What are we talking here, Moruf ???

An internet cafe, perhaps ????

NikSam

05-03-2015, 10:52 AM

... it is also duly registered with the Ministry of Trade and Investment
as Cooperative Society in order to carry out effective Agricultural businesses and services to corporate, private and the public sectors....

registered as what ?
I want to see evidence of that ;)

Where is the license you kept saying it has ? license from who? license to do what ?

TEDY

05-03-2015, 10:55 AM

littleroundman yes team on investrealprojects.com is Spain, Nigeria, Poland if I good remember what wrote Barbara on skype . Admins have agreement with owner site for work with him . I can understand it because not all know how to work with net and create site like register domain , ssl , server etc so not strange for me see example mail from Poland in data this site but in project you see complete data to contact with company . Phone number you see too . And I saw on net more sites where I see this number too Elegance Multipurpose Business Ventures in Suite 1/2,Salvation Shopping Complex, Ojoo, Akinyele, Oyo, Nigeria | VConnect (http://www.vconnect.com/elegance-multipurpose-business-ventures-akinyele-oyo_b635933)

littleroundman

05-03-2015, 11:07 AM

Yet another example of a HYIP ponzi based website designed to trick the naive and unwary:

http://imageshack.com/a/img908/2994/jgRs4w.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img673/9711/wT3Dgr.jpg

11 to 50 employees, my a**

Two guys in internet cafes, more likely

littleroundman

05-03-2015, 11:10 AM

And I saw on net more sites where I see this number too

Of course you did,

it would be a pretty poor internet cafe if it only had one customer, wouldn't it ??

ribshaw

05-03-2015, 11:28 AM

For me this is not scam because I see documents , because I see interesting info about this company on other site from financial institution , because company as agent have margine from trading goods=8%-10%

You should load up the truck , this is the deal of the century.

For those living in reality...

If the spread between two contracts over two months is less than 1%, that is about what someone with very low transaction costs should be expect rolling contracts on the market. 5% monthly is laughable."

From what you have this "great" calculating 1%?

TEDY this is what is happening with Cocoa at the moment. Roll Yield Definition | Investopedia (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/roll-yield.asp) 1% is an approximation of how much one loses by holding a cocoa contract over two months with no changes in the market price. There are generally speaking two types of traders in the futures market, speculators and hedgers. Unless cocoa prices rise speculative buy and hold of Cocoa futures out to 2017 will result in a LOSS. http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/agricultural/softs/cocoa.html . If there is a blight and Cocoa futures rally then this could be a profitable trade, if there is a bumper crop and prices plummet, massive pain for the punters.

The hedger(which your pals should be) wants to lock in the price they can buy cocoa at with the price they can sell it at to profit from that spread. Especially "hem hem" if the plan to pay out a fixed 5%. Without looking at contracts and fancy certificates the market itself helps us discern how reasonable this scheme is. In theory I could simultaneously sell the July Contract and buy the September Contract and profit from that small difference. The market itself pays me to play cocoa trader at the moment, no need to pay 5% per month. (In reality this spread is not wide enough to cover the costs of the transaction simply an example, nevertheless a confirmation from the market these guys are full of beans.)

Sorry maybe I must use other word as contract , profit - company have 8-10% margin from one transaction ;)

The use of the word "contract" is fine, it's the rest of the transaction that I am having a problem believing. First you have to believe that this group will screw over farmers just to turn around and lavish rewards on internet punters. Then you have to believe they can do it on such a large scale as to pay 5% per month to $75 one lotters. You also have to believe the farmers will continue to allow themselves to be screwed and not substitute more profitable crops as they did in the past. Then you have to believe that this astute group of cocoa traders doesn't know about the futures market or how to directly cut deals with producers to keep all that profit themselves.

TEDY

05-03-2015, 03:36 PM

Of course you did,

it would be a pretty poor internet cafe if it only had one customer, wouldn't it ??

If I see info with before 2 years time I not think about internet cafe
ribshaw I see for you not difference contracts on stock and contracts in business as agreement . Pathetic. Agent buy goods from producers -farmers and sale to other companies-buyers from it has margin 8-10% and this is not trading on the stock . Hard understand word "margin" ?
Find out how much margin have stores, warehouses .

TEDY

05-03-2015, 03:53 PM

registered as what ?
I want to see evidence of that ;)

Where is the license you kept saying it has ? license from who? license to do what ?
ELEGANCE INVESTMENT COOPERATIVE MULTIPURPOSE SOCIETY

on site you have this certificate in documents read better .

and info is on site this company RegCharles FC Ltd.
@RFClimited

RegCharles Finance and Capital Limited, a Non-Bank Financial Institution, licensed by CBN to provide Investment Management Services and Nurture SMEs in Nigeria what they wrote about Moruf company because cooperate with him . And this is not info from "internet coffe " ;)
About Cfundind i nothing know only saw video on net.

ribshaw

05-03-2015, 04:48 PM

ribshaw I see for you not difference contracts on stock and contracts in business as agreement . Pathetic. Agent buy goods from producers -farmers and sale to other companies-buyers from it has margin 8-10% and this is not trading on the stock . Hard understand word "margin" ?
Find out how much margin have stores, warehouses .

For the YEAR...

Net Margin (Net Profit / Revenue) 14,1%

Nestle Foods Nigeria PLC : Financials, earnings estimates and forecasts for Nestle Foods Nigeria PLC | NESTLE | 4-Traders (http://www.4-traders.com/NESTLE-FOODS-NIGERIA-PLC-6790469/financials/)

Now stop your foolishness. You keep acting like this 8-10% a month is gravy, nothing ever happens to cause a loss, and these merchants have some reason to share any windfall with pikers.

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Cocoa production and trade in Nigeria are completely liberalized. Grower prices are determined by movements in the international prices for cocoa and fluctuations in the exchange rate of the naira.

Cocoa merchantsusually consolidate their purchases from local buying agents before delivering beans to state government produce inspection services for grading. Graded cocoa beans are later sold to
exporters and/or processors

http://agriexchange.apeda.gov.in/marketreport/Reports/Nigeria_cocoa_production_report.pdf

okosh

05-03-2015, 09:59 PM

Perhaps he means that they have invested their time helping to bust the scam. :RpS_wink:

No idea but I have a plentiful supply of pop corn should cfund return :RpS_wink:

NikSam

05-03-2015, 11:30 PM

ELEGANCE INVESTMENT COOPERATIVE MULTIPURPOSE SOCIETY

on site you have this certificate in documents read better .
...

Thats not what I asked, Certificates of name registration and of incorporation - yes, anybody can get them.
Where is "registered with the Ministry of Trade and Investment as Cooperative Society" ?
Show me exactly that and not some other site claiming it has that.
I do not want to sound as idiot asking the Ministry to verify some registration while they say they do not register any investments, and thats SEC department.
Show me the registration,please, and what is it for, to grow/trade beans or to sell securities? ;)

Do you even know what a "Limited" company means ?

TEDY

05-04-2015, 08:04 AM

why you write as any moron ? You see license on site , mutipurpose cooperative society what is register with this certificate can have members from all world , members can buy shares and have from it profit . Money from shares must be use for developmend Nigeria like money from Cocoa project what help farmers have better quality life if they can sale more goods . So as I wrote before you nothing know , nothing check but write about all scammers . On site you see certificate , on site financial institution you have more info about this company too so where you have problem ? All investors who now register on investrealprojects.com and buy shares stay automaticaly society members . For me all is clear in law with this model because they can buy shares (participation) and get profit from it legal .

ribshaw

05-04-2015, 08:56 AM

Money from shares must be use for developmend Nigeria like money from Cocoa project what help farmers have better quality life if they can sale more goods .

Pretending for a split second that this is not a straight up Ponzi, a stretch I know. To realize 8-10% profit per month that means over the course of the year your pals are buying cocoa from farmers at $1250 a ton when they should be paying closer to $2500 a ton. A 50% haircut is helping who?

This is the type of "help" TEDY is referring to.

“If you refuse to sell your cocoa to these people and wait until market day to do it, they won’t come anymore. They’ll disappear,”

The fraudulent sale of cocoa beans peaks in Cameroon - Business in Cameroon (http://www.businessincameroon.com/agriculture/0205-4810-the-fraudulent-sale-of-cocoa-beans-peaks-in-cameroon)

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Safer to invest with this fellow...

From 419 scam: john <pusdarling@dephut.go.id> cocoa beans/gold dust ready for sell (http://www.419scam.org/emails/2011-01/06/00068329.26.htm)

Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 20:17:46 +0700 (WIT)
Subject: cocoa beans/gold dust ready for sell

Dear Friend

Our company deals with the Exportation of high quality COCOA BEANS in Ghana. The company was founded in 2002 and began with the selling of Agricultural products such as PALM KERNEL, PALM KERNEL SHELL and COCOA
BEANS in limited quantities to a small circle of customers. The company is well known and popular for its products quality and the demand for our cocoa and other products became increased. Today our
production capacity has increased and our vision is to Export to interested buyers in America, United Kingdom, West Germany and the Arabs etc.

We therefore present to you with full legal authority the following product with specification below for sale:

PRODUCT NAME: HYBRID GD 1(SUN DRIED) COCOA BEANS
ORIGIN: GHANA
Quantity: 7500 TONS AVAILABLE
QTY PER MONTH: 500 â€“ 10,000 TONS
PRICE: $2,800 PER TON
PACKAGING: JUTE SACKS
PAYMENT: NEGOTIABLE

BUYER IS REQUESTED TO COME AND MEET US IN GHANA FOR THE INSPECTION AND SAMPLING OF THE BEANS.

also we have 45 kilos of gold dust ready for sell. Our price is US 31,000 per 1 kilo, based on best quality gold.carat is 22, while the pureness of it is 92.6% purity.

If you are interested, please do not hesitate to contact our office for more information, and at the same time we hope to set up a long-term business relationship with you and your esteemed company.

Regards,
John
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The commodity futures and option markets are very risky and you can lose your entire investment very quickly. Anyone who claims otherwise might be breaking the law. Always ask for proof.

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Promises of little or no financial risk. Be suspicious if the firm or individual says there is little risk. Be suspicious if someone tells you that a written risk disclosure statement is only a routine formality. Written risk disclosure statements are important to read thoroughly and understand.

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NikSam

05-04-2015, 10:47 AM

why you write as any moron ? You see license on site ,

No, there is not a single license on the site but: Certificate of name registration, Certificate of incorporation, Certificate of registration in Oyo State as Co-Operative.

Get a freaking lawyer idiot,if you do not know your local laws, Co-Operatives cannot raise funds from non-members of that co-operative and when you formed it, only 10 members of co-operative were declared. You are soliciting people online to invest , not only members of cooperative, but foreigners you do not even know, breaking the laws of every country they are from, smell it ?

...
mutipurpose cooperative society what is register with this certificate can have members from all world ,
members can buy shares and have from it profit . Money from shares must be use for developmend Nigeria like money from Cocoa project what help farmers have better quality life if they can sale more goods . ...
Again, get a consultation with a a financial expert. You are delusional. Nigeria does not rule the world and whatever co-operative rules they have apply only in state of Oyo or Nigeria, but even so , you violate them as well. Co-Operatives are not allowed to raise funds from public, no freaking way. And absolute no-no to go online and sell shares to worldwide public.

I dont care if some site of another company tells what your company has , I need facts.
So where is "registered with the Ministry of Trade and Investment as Cooperative Society" ?

...
All investors who now register on investrealprojects.com and buy shares stay automaticaly society members . For me all is clear in law with this model because they can buy shares (participation) and get profit from it legal .

Bullshit, your co-operative is limited to 10 members at time of formation.
participation by investment is not making you a member of that cooperative.

TEDY

05-04-2015, 01:15 PM

Super expert lawyer in action hehe . I am not from Nigeria but looking better as you on net . Your info about max 10 people in society the same read better because min people in it can be 10 . Certificate of State Oyo I see with date registration 2012 the same documents Barbara pasted in March 2014 in Cocoa on her franchise site as TOP in project.
On IRP I see too proof from bank that company have account few years and in wire data bank I see the same bank for send money . You can always check number license . if you not know how looking on net for you I pasted now few points from net what I looked :
Primary cooperatives are further sub classified into:
Multipurpose – is more of a group of companies. They are licensed to invest in any sector of the economy as well as operate as thrift and savings. (I suggest you go for multipurpose so you can carry out practically every legal activity within this platform).

The cooperative society must have at least ten or more natural persons as members. XYZ that could be you or any interested person plus nine other members for a start.

The registration at state level enables you to operate a wide range of membership drawn from anywhere in the globe.
The cooperative society must have share subscriptions by members. All members must subscribe to shares and these can be spread over a period of time. This is usually the source of capital for investments and trading.
The cooperative society must have a goal, for example – To become a prime multipurpose cooperative investing in and developing Nigeria as well as consolidating the financial and asset base of members.

ribshaw I think you too not know how read on net , you know what is this 419 ? I know

ribshaw

05-04-2015, 01:40 PM

ribshaw I think you too not know how read on net , you know what is this 419 ? I know

No why don't you educate me? I am learning so much from your time here, would it be ok if I called you DADY?

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Luckily she did not discover where I kept my Father's File which contains important documents.
So I decided to run to the refugee camp here I am presently seeking asylum under the United Nations High Commission for the Refugee here in Dakar, Republic of Senegal. I wish to contact you personally for a long term and to get my life back normal,

My father of blessed memory deposited the sum of US$ 5.6 000.00 in a Bank with my name as the next of kin.
However, I shall forward you with the necessary information of the deposit on confirmation of your acceptance to assist me for the transfer and investment of the fund.
As you will help me in an investment, and I will like to complete my studies, as I was in my fist year in the university, when the crisis started.

It is my intention to compensate you with 20% of the total money for your services and the balance shall be my investment capital.
This is the reason why I decided to contact you.
Please all communications should be through this email address only for confidential purposes.
As soon as I receive your positive response showing your interest I will put things into action immediately. In the light of the above, I shall appreciate an urgent message indicating your ability and willingness to handle this transaction sincerely.
I'm staying at the female hostel.

Awaiting your urgent and positive response.
Please do keep this only for your self please I beg you not to disclose it till I come over , once the fund has been transferred and here is my picture as i will like to see yours in your next mail, hoping to hear from you and i wait for your lovely reply,
Yours Truly Miss.Stella
God bless you
SCAMMER stelladavid16@yahoo.com

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The schemes themselves violate section 419 of the Nigerian criminal code, hence the label “419 fraud.”

NikSam

05-04-2015, 01:55 PM

...
On IRP I see too proof from bank that company have account few years and in wire data bank I see the same bank for send money . You can always check number license . if you not know how looking on net for you I pasted now few points from net what I looked ...

That is all great. It means Moruf will have less chances to run away from the law when the time comes.
Regardless if he intentionally meant to scam or he is just uneducated moron who could not spend few bucks to consult with a fin expert about his little online crowdfunding site, result will be the same, people will loose their money while he offered unregistered securities to the public which is defined by the Securities Act as violation.

You see, my task is very simple , i can seat and do nothing, and wait when the victims start rolling in and asking what to do.
Sadly, their money will be gone by then, but to punish Moruf would be a piece of cake.
All i do right now is pointing the flaws in this scheme to those who have brain and not afraid to use it.

They can read:
NIGERIAN THE INVESTMENTS AND SECURITIES ACT of 2007,
Co-Operative Societies Law Cap 35 of the Oyo State of Nigerian laws of 2000

To realize that your scheme is breaking the laws of Nigeria by attracting investments from the public as well violating the laws of the country which investor is a resident of, before wasting their money on somebody who copy pasted T&C from indiegogo not realizing that they completely contradict what they offer,
And with 0 knowledge on finance.

Real or Scam? you decide - is the motto of this forum. If someone has the urge to loose his money, I can do almost nothing to stop him, and not even willing to, they doomed to loose it here on in some other place as their DD on investments is naive. I even tend to think that some people do not deserve to keep their money.

Those who think I am full of **** and think they know better, please ask Nigerian SEC if the site operates according to the laws:

Securities and Exchange Commission Nigeria
+234 (0) 94621168
sec@sec.gov.ng
http://www.sec.gov.ng/protect-yourself--alert-us--file-a-complaint.html

It never hurts just to ask , does it ? ;)

or you are afraid the greedy Nigerian government will take all the money to themselves ? :)

Gina

05-04-2015, 01:55 PM

Quote Originally Posted by TEDY View Post
ribshaw I think you too not know how read on net , you know what is this 419 ? I know

lol

NikSam

05-04-2015, 02:01 PM

...
ribshaw I think you too not know how read on net , you know what is this 419 ? I know

Yeah, tell us about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJOuvEcarNs

TEDY

05-04-2015, 02:29 PM

NikSam

05-04-2015, 02:34 PM

NikSam I think you are only moron who nothing know and write about all scammers . Shares in society is not the same like shares company on the stock.
"The cooperative society must have share subscriptions by members. All members must subscribe to shares and these can be spread over a period of time. This is usually the source of capital for investments and trading"

Before you wrote about license , that company can not have investors from all world etc idiotic texts. So I show you that you are not right with example other sites but no mater for you . I show you too info about mutipurpose cooperartive society but you too ignored it and start write about shares on the stock ?
Pathetic arguments from you only for show that you are right .

So get an answer from the SEC that they see no law violations :)
It will burst your investors base x100 or more.

As what kind of moron I am, I invite you to read every post I ever did here, and point out how many times i was wrong versus right on the schemes in its early days while the sheep thought its the great investment.
Or Just remember for how many years I was almost alone warning people about UI, and how all you assholes called me names and threatened to find and punish me.
Even offered $500 for my head. And how uinvest even supported that headhunt, when their hoster demanded to remove the posts from UI forums for violation of german law, UI refused, And had to find another hosting.

Funny, Stefan Grabow aka GP and Chris got the same price tag, for leaking the info I passed - I guess

NikSam

05-04-2015, 04:59 PM

Moruf, what is going on with your investrealprojects.com site all day?

It goes down, wiped, unreachable, or goes to the default hosting page .

Did you decide to run away already ?

Gina

05-04-2015, 09:29 PM

I think we can all agree....this is the post of the day...

ribshaw I think you too not know how read on net , you know what is this 419 ? I know

TEDY

05-05-2015, 05:17 AM

littleroundman

05-05-2015, 06:29 AM

I see only facts
1. his company exist from 2011 Madoff investments started in 1960 Zeekler / Zeek Rewards started in 2010 and lasted 3 years

2 his company have certificate Investment Multipurpose cooperative socitey on State Oyo level so this is register by the Ministry of Trade and Investment as Cooperative Society(without it not this certificate ) A co operative society for members who live in Oyo

3 on net I see not only from Nigeria this forme cooperate with members and he can cooperate with investors from all world with it Co operate, yes - not rip off though.

4 all who buy shares stay now automaticaly member this society and can buy shares and received profits legal Of legal profits - NOT the proceeds of a ponzi scam

5 scammer never will be got loan from financial institution like from RegCharles Finance and Capital Limited, a Non-Bank Financial Institution, licensed by CBN to provide Investment Management Services and Nurture SMEs in Nigeria because this insitutions very good checked company before give any money . On theirs site I see that company received 100k $ from them- fact Check Bernard Madoffs' history again - Andy Bowdoin had 9 bank accounts in his own name - Paul Burks and Zeek Rewards had multiple accounts. It means nothing

6 I see info on net on other sites what show that this company existed 2 years ago like picture pasted from RegCharles for example So bloody what ??? How long it has existed means nothing

7 the same documents like on this site I see pasted more year ago in project Cocoa on Barbara TOP site
this all points all can check on net like me .

discus here start with question is this legal or not and yes I know about 419 scam via mail from Nigeria but for me with good and reliable partner for business in this country is big potential to do good businesses . Therefore other countries opened now for Nigeria too.

yes very easy is write about all -scammers words, words and more words[/QUOTE]

Despite being asked multiple times, you STILL haven't explained how it is possible to pay investors over 50% interest per year from ANY investment, much less from trading in such a highly competitive commodity like cacao beans.

It's just not possible UNLESS you're running a ponzi fraud

Which is precisely what you're pimping - a Nigerian ponzi fraud

ribshaw

05-05-2015, 09:18 AM

I see only facts
1. his company exist from 2011
2 his company have certificate Investment Multipurpose cooperative socitey on State Oyo level so this is register by the Ministry of Trade and Investment as Cooperative Society(without it not this certificate )
3 on net I see not only from Nigeria this forme cooperate with members and he can cooperate with investors from all world with it .
4 all who buy shares stay now automaticaly member this society and can buy shares and received profits legal
5 scammer never will be got loan from financial institution like from RegCharles Finance and Capital Limited, a Non-Bank Financial Institution, licensed by CBN to provide Investment Management Services and Nurture SMEs in Nigeria because this insitutions very good checked company before give any money . On theirs site I see that company received 100k $ from them- fact
6 I see info on net on other sites what show that this company existed 2 years ago like picture pasted from RegCharles for example
7 the same documents like on this site I see pasted more year ago in project Cocoa on Barbara TOP site
this all points all can check on net like me .

I see only nonsense.

When you say "his" company, what you mean is your "company". You have completely failed to demonstrate how YOU are going to generate these unheard of in the history of the world returns.

Besides, who wants a piddling 5% per month when they can earn 8% PER DAY with these pros?

Welcome to Cocoa-Invest.com! Cocoa-Invest is a private trading and investment company run by group of professional traders with many years of experience in business. Cocoa-Invest.com provides you the safest way to start investing in Agriculture, forex and commodity trading market. With Cocoa-Invest.com you can start your own investing portfolio in less than 1 minute! We announced today that it will be a founding member of Cocoa-Invest, a new strategy to align the cocoa sustainability efforts of the world's largest cocoa and chocolate companies. Cocoa-Invest.com creates a new level of coordination and commitment by the leading global cocoa and chocolate companies and governments to promote cocoa sustainability in West Africa and all over the world.

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discus here start with question is this legal or not and yes I know about 419 scam via mail from Nigeria but for me with good and reliable partner for business in this country is big potential to do good businesses . Therefore other countries opened now for Nigeria too.

yes very easy is write about all -scammers

10484

done4

05-05-2015, 09:19 AM

Hello NikSam/littleroundman/ribshaw/eagleOne,

Thanks for all information, it is really educative. I beleive you have also helped/shown this crowdfunding platform owners (if they are for real) how to get properly registered before they continue soliciting for funds. I really dont know why TEDY keeps defending........ The point NikSam/littleroundman/ribshaw/eagleOne presented is that this crowdfunding platform are not legally placed to operate and they are 100% correct. What I will advice the owners to do is get all registeration done as stated in this discussion.
NikSam/littleroundman/ribshaw/eagleOne job welldone!

littleroundman

05-05-2015, 10:06 AM

What I will advice the owners to do is get all registeration done as stated in this discussion.

After they have done that, they can then find a way to explain how they can offer a 50% to 60% annual ROI based on dealing in a commodity like cacao beans WITHOUT being a ponzi fraud.

BTW, done4, how did your investment in UInvest turn out for you ???

Did you lose money like the great majority of its' victims err, members or are you part of the inner circle who knew when to get out in time ??

TEDY

05-06-2015, 03:47 PM

ribshaw hyips all know how it work , for what you pasted here it ? Because you see Cocoa in name ??? You think that I do not know hyips , ponzi and all "great " mlms with theirs "briliant " products ? Me not interesting other companies who "trading" on forex, stock, gold, BTC etc with theirs cartoons about profit for investors;) I checked only company what work as agent in reality and daily work with farmers and sale this cocoa beans to other companies . No I am not owner this company. I only checked this company on net what I can not do with this other "great " business .
done4 read better what I wrote and read on net about multipurpose cooperative society what is this . Society must be register and has CERTIFICATE to work. If society is register on State level can have members from all world .Of course, this form of cooperation with investors has its own rules and restrictions. Problem is that all this super experts on this forum know only one form work with investors I think. Repeat only like parrots the same all time.

ribshaw

05-06-2015, 04:30 PM

ribshaw hyips all know how it work , for what you pasted here it ? Because you see Cocoa in name ???

No, for what I paste here because cocoa in the name AND it HADnever in the history of the world returns promised just like the POS you are all weepy over.

No I am not owner this company.

Then you lost all your money and wasted hours of your life thinking puffery changes impossible math. Good Job.

Repeat only like parrots the same all time.

SAME SCAM STORY + SAME LAME EXCUSES= SAME SAD ENDING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQp29T5r-Hg

TEDY

05-08-2015, 03:30 PM

ribshaw see for example this site http://cecvn.com/ and you will be understand why I not agree with your opinion about investrealprojects.com where I can very much check on net . If I see sites like it http://cecvn.com/ I 100% agree with you . You can ask owner this business about legal work ;)

ribshaw

05-08-2015, 07:25 PM

You can ask owner this business about legal work ;)

The world is choc full of charming people that are corrupt assholes, and more than one confidence man has been Johnny on the Spot until the day the money ran out. So I save the glad-handing and baby kissing for politicians and people that want to lose money in Ponzi schemes.

If the owner would like to show up and post meaningful documentation that can be independently verified it would certainly add to the discussion.

ribshaw see for example this site http://cecvn.com/ and you will be understand why I not agree with your opinion about investrealprojects.com where I can very much check on net .

TEDY, the decision for me has nothing to do with what I can "check on the net", and if you want to invest all your money you have my blessing. As Nik mentioned, since this is not registered with the SEC it would be illegal to solicit US citizens. No registration means no independently audited financials, that alone should be a non-starter for any sensible investor.

While you cobble together some photoshopped bank records, maybe you could find us a handful of companies traded on the Nigerian stock exchange that pay 60% a year in dividends. Solid companies with a five year history of paying 60% of their share price in cash. Pick any three to five, don't want this to be an all day exercise.

If I see sites like it http://cecvn.com/ I 100% agree with you .

Yeah, this guy is not getting a check either.

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EagleOne

05-09-2015, 02:05 AM

TEDY:

Let me make this real simple for you so that you, or anyone else, reading this can understand. They are offering an investment. It makes no difference if it is commodities, stocks, mutual funds, hedge funds, FOREX, etc., etc., the company offering the investment must be registered to sell the securities/investment in every westernized country in the world they are soliciting customers and doing business. Not only must they register their securities with the regulatory agencies, the people who are offering (selling the investment) must also be licensed and registered to sell them. There are no exceptions to these rules. NONE, NIL, ZILCH, NADA, ZIP, GOOSE EGG, ZERO.

Cfundin is not exempted from these rules. They are not licensed or registered to sell securities as required by law with any westernized country where they are soliciting clients/members. This makes Cfundin an illegal company no matter what they, or you, claim. The rate of return they say they can pay makes it a straight up Ponzi, no matter what you or they claim to the contrary.

What you seem to not understand is that we are not attacking you, but are trying to help you but you refuse the help. You are entitled to your opinion and the right to defend your opinion, but when you can't back it up with FACTS, it is just your opinion. Yet you are here trying to defend Cfundin without any facts whatsoever to support your position they are operating legally. You can't because the FACTS don't exist.

TEDY

05-10-2015, 04:13 AM

ribshaw I wrote you that form investment cooperative society is legal with certificate and this is difference form like offer investments on the stock and Investrealprojects site has it.
Eagle yes you right but I never wrote here about Cfundin because I nothing see on net about it, only video I see , they write about start process license only in bank and nothing more so will be see because with this form offer for investors they must have license ( not like investrealprojects site) .
Of course boths form has restrictions , for example cooperative society will be can work only with projects from Nigeria for example . Will be controll all this projects because projects will be use in society . If projects will be with participate local goverments ( I mean not use in society) will be legal register before start.
About Cfunding I do not know for what license they wait now because info about license for financial company is not clear for me ( in bank you have much license I mean ) so I wait .
Yes I agree with you promise 8% profit before start real work as company with license is strange because company has not yet any profit . If I see project network my ask is where will be invested my money

littleroundman

05-10-2015, 06:29 AM

TEDY, why are you continuing to talk about InvestRealProjects offering 8% ROI ???

They are claiming to be able to deliver 3.75% ROI per MONTH investing in cacao beans:

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/3037/7hzuiq.jpg

That is 45% ROI PER YEAR to their investors, AFTER taking any profit and expenses for themselves

That is plain nonsense, TEDY, and you know it.

It's a HYIP ponzi fraud, pure and simple and will collapse just like the other HYIP ponzi scams you were promoting, such as UInvest, only a lot quicker.

ribshaw

05-10-2015, 03:56 PM

ribshaw I wrote you that form investment cooperative society is legal with certificate and this is difference form like offer investments on the stock and Investrealprojects site has it.

TEDY, as others have explained it is being offered illegally. There are plenty of businesses that are "legal" that I want nothing to do with. That can stem from my not understanding them, to not trusting the management, to not wanting to put the time in to analyze them. There are good investments available without trying to be too cute by half.

In this case management can not be trusted and I have zero desire to look at certificates.

Yes I agree with you promise 8% profit before start real work as company with license is strange because company has not yet any profit . If I see project network my ask is where will be invested my money

You may as well ask Peter Pan how he stays so young. This is a great story for a scam, but it is just that.

If you wanted to ask some questions, they should be things like where are their storage facilities, what sort of fleet do they have to transport the cocoa, which insurance companies are covering the risks, who is their futures broker(s), where is your money going to be held, who is their auditor, etc. Then rather than rely on the answers you get, you need to make calls to confirm what you are being told. Not calls to numbers or people they give you, calls to people you uncover independently.

Here would be my best example as it is simple, there have been any number of real estate scams in the US where people claimed to be flipping property or doing hard money loans. Yet, the perpetrators never once took title to a property or recorded a lien both of which are public information. If you start digging I am 100% positive you will uncover a similar dynamic here.

TEDY

05-12-2015, 03:03 AM

Yes I agree ribshaw , for example I see info with what big companies cooperate Elegance Investment Multipurpose Cooprative Society , they not hide it and I see on net sites this companies . This are real big companies in Nigeria what cooperate with agents like Elegance. Companies like Tulip, Continaf, Olam, Multitrex plc . Read about them and will be more can understand reality in Nigeria . How it work . But I not belive that this companies will be answer to you who cooperate with them. If you will be call in your country to any company with ask about clients , contracts etc they will be give you this info ? I think no because not one company will be share this info . Barbara work with Moruf and always can send more documents like any contracts for show or guarante letters but this documents never will be public on site and I understand it .

littleroundman

05-12-2015, 06:37 AM

TEDY,

it doesn't matter who co operates with whom or how things work in Nigeria,

NOBODY can pay anybody an annual 45% or 50% or 60% ROI by trading in cacao beans or anything else, ESPECIALLY before they pick the first bean.

TEDY

05-12-2015, 07:20 AM

1055710557
littleroundman company buy /sale not only cocoa beans and belive me with big turnover goods can have more this 5% monthly from margin;) , at the moment they have one from contracts for 1000 tons cashew nuts . I do not know procedure audit in Nigeria but I see example it in documents from Barbara . We started discus here about exist or not exist company and about legal or not legal work company with investors. I am sure that from other sites like cecvn.com you will be have not documents ;)

ribshaw

05-12-2015, 09:24 AM

Yes I agree ribshaw ,

TEDY, you say you agree, but where are publicly traded companies paying 5% of their share price each month in cash that I asked for? Remember I only need two or three, don't make an all day project of it.

Read about them and will be more can understand reality in Nigeria . How it work .

I will read about them, just as soon as you list the tickers of the companies paying 5% per month in cash.

But I not belive that this companies will be answer to you who cooperate with them. If you will be call in your country to any company with ask about clients , contracts etc they will be give you this info ? I think no because not one company will be share this info .

Let me get this straight, someone is asking for my money but won't provide documentation needed to verify their story? PASS.

Barbara work with Moruf and always can send more documents like any contracts for show or guarante letters but this documents never will be public on site and I understand it .

Madoff had documents too. If the SEC had bothered to try and tie his trades back to the option market they would have rather quickly realized the trades were not occurring. Never minding common sense and a little understanding of the options market to realize collars will not generate consistent 10% returns. Just like the common sense approach tells us cocoa trading won't be paying 5% per month and if it was banks and hedge funds would be putting up the capital.

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TEDY

05-12-2015, 11:02 AM

ribshaw read better about what I wrote .
as first I think you not remember about what you ask in your posts . You want know with what companies cooperate BO so I wrote you it . But I think for you no mater it because you are pesone who want show that you are right . If you write that company is scamer all can belive you without any discus but unfortunatelly for you I started check this company .
Not one time I wrote you that offer in society is not the same like shares on the stock but you repeat all time the same .
Read better what I wrote about CALL TO OTHER COMPANIES LIKE CONTINAF WITH ASK LIKE- sorry I want ask you cooperate with Elegance company or not?- because for example in my country not one company will be give you info about theirs clients. Of course you can always try it ;)
I wrote you - read about this big companies because this companies buy goods from agents like Elegance company . Reality in Nigeria is other like in your country so never will be the same law , procedures , profits . You asked who is auditors so I pasted you report as example .
Before I saw here texts about not exist company , illegal work with investors, create info on net from net coffe etc so I hope not only morons read what I checked on net for example .
You start discus about SEC license for work with inwestors so I answered you that company have certificate with what can work legal with inwestors from all world so for me your texts like- "In this case management can not be trusted and I have zero desire to look at certificates."- is for me text from moron only who nothing check but write here "reliable" opinion as "expert".
For you not possible have 10-15% margine monthly for me possible if I see price producers and prices then in warehouses in my country.

ribshaw

05-12-2015, 11:53 AM

But I think for you no mater it because you are pesone who want show that you are right .

Of course I want to show I am right, billions are lost each year to some variation of this foolishness.

If you write that company is scamer all can belive you without any discus but unfortunatelly for you I started check this company .
Not one time I wrote you that offer in society is not the same like shares on the stock but you repeat all time the same .
Read better what I wrote about CALL TO OTHER COMPANIES LIKE CONTINAF WITH ASK LIKE- sorry I want ask you cooperate with Elegance company or not?- because for example in my country not one company will be give you info about theirs clients. Of course you can always try it ;)
I wrote you - read about this big companies because this companies buy goods from agents like Elegance company . Reality in Nigeria is other like in your country so never will be the same law , procedures , profits . You asked who is auditors so I pasted you report as example .
Before I saw here texts about not exist company , illegal work with investors, create info on net from net coffe etc so I hope not only morons read what I checked on net for example .
You start discus about SEC license for work with inwestors so I answered you that company have certificate with what can work legal with inwestors from all world so for me your texts like- "In this case management can not be trusted and I have zero desire to look at certificates."- is for me text from moron only who nothing check but write here "reliable" opinion as "expert".

TEDY, if it is not posted here I am not going to hunt it down, only a "moron" would do that. I have provided a framework for those, including yourself who wish to undertake serious due diligence. They certainly have every right to dismiss me as a "moron", "unreliable", and "unexpert" as you did.

For you not possible have 10-15% margine monthly for me possible if I see price producers and prices then in warehouses in my country.

Good load up the truck with shares, have your momma mortgage her house, and your dad borrow against his pension. Have your friends do the same, then come back in three years and rub my face in your masterful success.

Market! Market!

05-12-2015, 12:24 PM

If you believe that an illegally operating website can generate 60% per year profit, but for some reason they need your (complete internet stranger's) money. Those who can make such profits would want to keep them and not be so generous making complete strangers rich.

This is a very good point.
I am not smart when it comes to financials.
BUT...
If I know a surefire way of earning 40%-60% per year, why would I want to give that away to strangers on the Internet???
Wouldn't it be better to get some type of loans from several banks (13% per year) then use the money to earn 40%-60%?
Banks should be jumping with joy to lend me money since I can pay it back with 13% interest.
I can also approach all my relatives for money.
So why?
Why would I want to give strangers in the Internet 40% plus a year??? Am I crazy?
I'm not smart financially but either I'm crazy or this scheme/scam cannot really earn 40%-60% per year.

TEDY

05-12-2015, 12:59 PM

This is a very good point.
I am not smart when it comes to financials.
BUT...
If I know a surefire way of earning 40%-60% per year, why would I want to give that away to strangers on the Internet???
Wouldn't it be better to get some type of loans from several banks (13% per year) then use the money to earn 40%-60%?
Banks should be jumping with joy to lend me money since I can pay it back with 13% interest.
I can also approach all my relatives for money.
So why?
Why would I want to give strangers in the Internet 40% plus a year??? Am I crazy?
I'm not smart financially but either I'm crazy or this scheme/scam cannot really earn 40%-60% per year.

who told you that company not use banks loans ? But this is always for time 1-3 months and for conrete contract , financial company like RegCharles too will be not cooperate with company without conditions but they start cooperate with 100k $ in 2013 , I only show few "experts" here who start write about illegal work with investors and talk about not exist company in reality without one good info about it . If society want shares profit with members can it how wants and this is 100% legal . You will be can write about scam if investors will be have not profit but not before .
For me this site is 100% better transparency like others and I never told you here about invest there . We discus about legal work on this site and I see they work legal . Always is risk and not one on this site write you about guarantes , security investment etc as I see on other sites

ribshaw

05-12-2015, 01:30 PM

You will be can write about scam if investors will be have not profit but not before .

Poppycock, there are hundreds of threads here at RealScam that identified scams (such as this one) before some people wasted their money. Others thought the TEDYs of the world were being unfairly maligned, we just didn't understand, and somehow caused their loss.

By the time TEDY calls this a scam (if he bothers to come back and do that) cocoa-fu will have stopped paying and people's money will be long gone.

TEDY

05-12-2015, 02:33 PM

ribshaw

05-12-2015, 04:24 PM

ribshaw if company like agent have not much assets bank never will be loan money for longer time as realize concrete contract and not always so not strange for me that they looking capital with what they will be can work all time without break and long procedures in time 3 years .

You should invest, don't know how many ways I can say that.

For reasons previously explained this sounds like total bullshit and I will not be investing.

If they want shares profit with members society they can do it what they want . All who buy shares stay member is society. Big investors can have agreement investment partnership if will be want and you see this agreement on site too so you can read , load , ask lawyer about it too. So all is good organize and legal .

In one sentence you are telling the class banks won't touch this yet big investors will? You can't keep your story straight for two sentences, attorney consultation will not be necessary.

If you looking safe investments go to bank and give them money other will be always scam for you because give more profit like bank . This is choice people and one will be go to bank , other will be want risk for better profit .

A false dilemma, or false dichotomy, is a logical fallacy which involves presenting two opposing views, options, or outcomes in such a way that they seem to be the only possibilities

Investments with high risk this is not the same like scam but I think for you not difference ;)

In the past year I made investments in Russia, Brazil, Indonesia, and a few other places where there is a high risk things could get worse or go to zero. All done on public markets, via brokerages that are both licensed and insured against broker fraud.

You go with sending money to a mystery cabal with "papers" promising returns never heard of in history and we'll call it "high risk" if that makes you feel all squishy.

In three years, we'll see if I know the difference.

For example UI where you had not one info about theirs legal work or info about BOs projects this was scam but tell me from what they had users ?

Same reason your cocoa scam will have users I suppose.

The scam names change, the pimps and victims names change, the foolishness constant.

lordgiap Tedy

"Why are you so sure they will scam? do you have the link of the CNN news?
I am quite positive for this company as I can see their effort on developing the company. "
http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index4.html#post52560

Then there's this clown, I wish someone would zip his pie hole:zip it:.

http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index5.html#post52595

TEDY

05-12-2015, 04:42 PM

I ask you about UI but you not understand why ? People very good know that have not info about BOs and not see any documents UI that they work legal but invested there .
Sure I can too write here that I invested on the Moon stock not only in Russia, Brasil and other but I see now why you know only investments on the stock and only about it you wrote here . Yes after UI I like check BOs projects .
"Same reason your cocoa scam will have users I suppose." - so this is not "my " cocoa and for me this is like startup on other crowdfunding platforms - the same risk .

EagleOne

05-12-2015, 11:22 PM

TEDY: Stop with the talking and just do it. Put everything you have into these investments. They are after all the real deal, so why ask us what to do? You believe in them, so jump in with both feet and bet the farm, your house, your life savings, and max out your credit cards. After all, you will get it all back within 9 months to a year with these kind of returns. And if you are not willing to do so, you are just blowing smoke.

TEDY

05-13-2015, 02:44 AM

So on net I read for example it
500mt/month Raw Cashew Nuts Export Contract To Vietnam For Sale! - Adverts - Nigeria (http://www.nairaland.com/585735/500mt-month-raw-cashew-nuts)
and plz read it very good

for few here is not possible have margine more 5% monthly

I will be pasted text from this link for all "super experts" here maybe they will be know how read it
this is old info from 2011 but no mater for all calculating

"500mt/month Raw Cashew Nuts Export Contract To Vietnam For Sale! by emmaco24(m): 1:54pm On Jan 14, 2011

My company has a valid contract to supply a Vietnamese company with 500 metric tons of raw cashew nuts per month starting from February,2011.Below are the terms of the contract:

Payment by 98% confirmed irrevocable LC at sight and 2% after inspection at buyer's port.
Price is US$670 per MT C&F Ho Chi Minh City Port.
Shipment must be done by middle of February,2011

At the price of US$670/MT,the exporter stands to make not less than $130 per MT and it is a monthly supply contract.
The season of cashew nuts just started this January and Nigeria produces about 60,000MT of cashew nuts per annum.
The current price in the local market is not more than N70,000 per ton which is $466 at the exchange rate of N150 per $1.
Then,the cost of freight using Zim Line is $556 per 20ft container which will contain about 17MT of cashew nuts.So,the cost of freight per ton is approximately $33.
The cost of transport to Apapa Wharf is N130,000 per truck which will carry two 20ft containers each.The cost of transport per ton will be N3825 which is $25.5.

Total cost of export:

Cost of cashew nuts per ton = US$466
Cost of freight per ton = US$33
Cost of transportation per ton = US25.5
Cost of documentation/miscellaneous per ton = $10
Total = 466+33+25.5+10
= US$534.5/MT
Total cost of export for the 500MT = US$534.5 X 500 = US$267,250 or N40,087,500.00

Note: The price of the nuts per ton could be lower than N70,000 because this the beginning of the season and prices are generally lower now and rises from March when the nuts will begin to go out of season.

So,the expected profit per ton = US$670-US$534.5
= US$135.5

Total profit = US$135.5 X 500
= US$67,750 or N10,162,500.00

This is per month till the nuts go out of season finally by July.Once the exporter is able to satisfy the buyer,the contract will start off again next year.It goes on like that in cycles.
The buyer is a Vietnamese cashew processing factory that can process not less than 1000MT per month.

The reason why I want to sell this contract is that my company does not have the funds to run it right now and the buyers are ready to place their LC latest next week.
I will provide the needed support to make sure it is successfully executed.

Anybody who is interested should contact me via nanichient@gmail.com or call 07095157185
Please only serious and financially capable persons should contact me. "

If I good see with this calculating company have 20,22 % net profit from this contract . Of course few here will be always talk - not possible because for them all is scam .

littleroundman

05-13-2015, 06:23 AM

How interesting.

One Nigerian scammer produces an advertisement from another Nigerian scammer (who supposedly uses a GMail address to conduct multi million dollar deals) to prove his scam is legitimate

Back to ScammerSchool with you, TEDY.

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/1557/TYYO6i.jpg

TEDY

05-13-2015, 06:33 AM

and because you see contracts with 500 tons to Vietnam in time 2 years for you this is scam ? Without any check before ??? Funny !

Re: Free Report On Cashew Nuts biz: Don't Start D Biz Without Reading This. by lomzy1(m): 9:53am On Feb 05, 2013

PART 3 (SAMPLES AND QUOTATIONS)

CHAPTER 1

SAMPLE OF QUOTATION FOR CASHEW NUTS (FROM KWARA STATE DELIVERED TO LAGOS)

QUANTITY SUPPLIED 30 TONS

1. CASHEW NUTS @N80, 000/TON: 80,000 X 30 TONS.……………….………….. 2,400.000
2. BAGS (JUTE) @ N350/BAG X 13= N4500/TON: 4500 X 30 …………………. 136,500
3. LOADING @ N50/BAG X 13 = N650/TON: 650 X 30 ……………………………… 19,500
4. LABOUR: (sewing, grading etc) ……………………………………………………………. 10,000
5. PAPERS (from the point of procurement include; association paper… 30,000
Way bill, gate pass, produce fee etc.
6. PRODUCE FEE @ OGERE, OGUN STATE & BERGER, LAGOS STATE …………… 20,000
7. TRANSPORT (from kwara to Lagos) ………………………………………………………… 150,000
TOTAL …………….. 2,763,000

TOTAL COST OF A TRAILER LOAD (30 TONS) OF CASHEW NUTS IS TWO MILILION, SEVEN HUNDRED AND SIXTY THREE THOUSAND NAIRA.
Thus the final price per ton will be: 2,763,000 divided by 30 tons = N92, 100 (NINETY TWO THOUSAND AND ONE HUNDRED NAIRA).
Note that the actual price of cashew nuts per ton is now N92,100. It is now left for you to fix a suitable price for your consignment bearing in mind the actual cost of cashew nuts which is now N92,100 (ninety two thousand, one hundred naira). The profit margin when selling locally is not really attractive due to the competition, but the turnover is quite good. No matter the quantity you want to supply, buyers are always willing to purchase and pay you as soon as possible. There is always a standby buyer wishing to buy as many quantity you can supply at every point in time. There are local buyers/exporters that can buy up to 30 trailers in a day as long as you have goods to supply. They don’t owe suppliers money.
It is advisable to fix your profit margin between 8–15% when selling locally. (20% may be possible though but it is rare,most likely if you are supplying an individual who has an export contract or a private firm but definitely not those indian buying companies in lagos).
let's assume your profit marin is 10%, your sales price will be N101.310…. (9,210 + 92,100 =N101.310). Hence profit margin on a ton will be selling price subtracted by actual cost price: 101,310 – 92,100 = N9,210 Thus profit on a trailer load of cashew nuts (3o tons) will be 9210 x 30 = N276,300
Thus on a two million seven hundred and sixty three thousand investment, you will make two
hundred and seventy six thousand returns which is approximately 10% of your initial investment.
Now let’s assume you are supplying only twice a week, you will be making 276,300 x 2 = N552,600 (five hundred and fifty two thousand, six hundred naira) every week (supplying twice a week may not be possible for every seller,it depends on the supply capabilty of your source and also the availability of capital/fund).
Please note that the above quotation reflects the real cost of a transaction prepared by the author for a client at a particular time. The quotation was based on local transaction for a client from kwara state to buyer’s warehouse in Lagos.
The price of cashew nuts fluctuates almost on weekly basis, so the price of N80, 000 quoted may not be applicable or obtainable always. Price of cashew nuts fluctuated between N68, 000 – N90,000 this 2012 season. Also note that whenever the price of nuts rises, the selling price also rises accordingly.
also note that cost of transportation, produce fee @ ogere and berger can be negotiated. you may get a better bargain from transporters.. N80,000 naira - N100,000 cost could be achieved from ilorin to lagos.
some truck drivers also know how to avoid the fee colectors @ ogere and berger therefore you may end up not paying but you will have to settle the drivers. you also need an escort (not an officer) to follow the truck if you cant travel with the truck. they are usually paid between N5,000 - N10,000.

To order the book and read other free reports pls follow these links (see the table of content also):

Free Report On Cashew Nuts biz: Don't Start D Biz Without Reading This. - Adverts - Nigeria (http://www.nairaland.com/883892/free-report-cashew-nuts-biz)

ribshaw

05-13-2015, 09:37 AM

I ask you about UI but you not understand why ? People very good know that have not info about BOs and not see any documents UI that they work legal but invested there .

As Glenn Frey said "It's the lure of easy money, it's got a very strong appeal"

Glenn Frey - Smuggler's Blues Lyrics | MetroLyrics (http://www.metrolyrics.com/smugglers-blues-lyrics-glenn-frey.html)

These are the type of reviews I would expect to see on YELP looking for a decent chili dog.

10584

Salting (confidence trick) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salting_%28confidence_trick%29)

Sure I can too write here that I invested on the Moon stock not only in Russia, Brasil and other but I see now why you know only investments on the stock and only about it you wrote here .

You would be better off investing on the Moon than this garbage. Three years ago your pal was offering to sell dump trucks, now he is a master commodity trader?

10585

Investments in the stock/commodity/option markets are key to any discussion on scams because the information is public and can be verified for comparison purposes. As for "understanding" a business there are lots of businesses I would have no clue how to run. The other side of that is with access to their financials and source documents detecting a full scale fraud becomes child's play.

Your pal claims his stock is 30% subscribed and has for some time. How do you know he is not 600% subscribed and just cashing checks?

10586

Yes after UI I like check BOs projects .
"Same reason your cocoa scam will have users I suppose." - so this is not "my " cocoa and for me this is like startup on other crowdfunding platforms - the same risk .

Except you this guy set up his own crowdfunding platform to fund his only deal. The risk is that you learned nothing from UI and keep chasing schemes of questionable merit hoping to hit a big score.

is investrealprojects.com a scam or legit | investrealprojects.com trust reviews |check investrealprojects.com for fraud and risk | is investrealprojects.com safe or fake (http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/investrealprojects.com)

TEDY

05-13-2015, 10:12 AM

This guy have his projects but not only and all will be from Nigeria . I pasted you info from net as example about calculating from cashew nuts because you write that this is not possible have good margine as agent , and I pasted you not info from BOs company about it only business portal from Nigeria . As I told you before you are only " expert " who nothing know but write .
Before I saw here texts about not legal work company - I show you that your are not right because company work 100% legal with certificate multipurpose society
I saw texts here about work in net coffe for create fake info - I show that you are not right because on site RegCharles financial institution we have info about theirs cooperate with BOs company and this is for me the best recomendation his business .
after this discus you start write about scam because for you is not possible that company will be paid 5% roi monthly . For you is not possible have yearly more profit like 20-30 % from company I think - so I show you info that you are not right with info from Nigerian busienss portal niaraland.
So what will be next point from you ? False picture BO ?

ribshaw

05-13-2015, 10:20 AM

10587

I show that you are not right because on site RegCharles financial institution we have info about theirs cooperate with BOs company and this is for me the best recomendation his business .

You're kidding right? Are you pimping a competing Ponzi trying to show these guys are fake?

The company was formally registered as Elegance Multipurpose Business Ventures but was subsequently restructured and re-incorporated with the new name in May 2013.

RegCharles Finance and Capital Ltd. (http://regcharleswebservices.com/rfcngeambl.html)

A free website and gmail, always good news for investors.:RpS_wink:

This website is part of a generic website called gnbo.com.ng where many people can setup up webpages for free. Because of this the true business owner is hidden and we can only provide information on the parent site, which is gnbo.com.ng. For information sites such as blogs this is normally ok - BUT if you are considering paying for something through this site, you should excercise caution! We have noticed many new fake and fraudulent ecommerce sites using these sites because the owner is hidden

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Back in April 2014 the same folks were offering cocoa trading for a 2 year term at 10% ROI, maybe they realized how silly this sounds and cut it back to a more realistic 5% for 3 years. Not to worry, they have certificates. :RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

10588

https://www.facebook.com/UsakoInvest/posts/616864988402261

TEDY

05-13-2015, 12:02 PM

ribshaw you nothing know but write , yes this project was on UI site, yes Barbara was TOP who listed it on UI and cooperated with Moruf from February 2014. Now all her investors from UI give shares on new site so not one inwestor losed money . As you see UI site is close now so very good that Barbara started new site with Moruf .
Yes she saw what happened on UI in time last months so decided start new site and all see now that she is right with it. BO has partial money from Cocoa so this is not gift for him and he not leaved his investors like other on UI ( i mean other TOPs and theirs BOs) . All old investors have now shares with amount what they paid for obligations Cocoa on UI . Sako from this info worked in this time as Barbaras distributor.
Site gnbo not work now because BO not much know about work on net so on new site is team what help him , team from Spain and Poland what support his work on net . Therefore you see in data site mail from Poland for example because Barbara helped him registered domain new site .
I wrote you before but you ignored my info and now repeat -BOs domain expired and he can not back site now . But he not need old site for work because there was the same info like in section Our Products on new .
If for you is strange that company can be restructured to limited by shares corporation with new name sorry - this is your problem only I think because for me this is normaly act company what change structure and you have all this documents on investrealprojects too and you see on net always the same mail , phone number , adress from few years

ribshaw

05-13-2015, 12:32 PM

so not one inwestor losed money .

Aussie Striker is that you? Tell us again how no one lost any money in Tagvillage er Bitbillions er cocoa trading scheme because they still have Facebook pages.

Money is gone TEDY.

Sako from this info worked in this time as Barbaras distributor.

This video game version of pro wrestling is closer to reality than anything you have to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQNVHI76AuY

10592

https://www.facebook.com/UsakoInvest?fref=nf

TEDY

05-13-2015, 03:03 PM

ribshaw you realy have problem with read ???
sako worked on UI as Barbara distributor in her team in April 2014 and this is his FB not Cocoa project
Info on FB of sako is pasted only from UI forum topic about Cocoa. This are info from Barbara and rest his info is about UI shares .
Barbara paid dividend of sold Cocoa obligations from April 2014 . BO sent her money for it monthly .
BO Cocoa has now partial money from this project so after close UI site you think that he can run away with this money as scamer ???Mybe for you is hard understand it that he want not run away ?
UI showed us from October 2014 that they will be close site step by step .
From January 2014 UI started work with TOPs and TOP FUNDS . TF this was security for project what listed TOP . I can talk you that only Barbara had all TF paid from all TOPs who listed projects on UI in this time maybe no mater now but for me show her seriouse work . She always have very good on line contact and BO too with her investors .
In July 2014 UI provided fake Upay to system so TOPs can not longer sale obligations theirs projects via money only via Upay. But what can do real business with fake Upay ???
If not one exchanged it ? Of course UI promised exchange this Upay from sold shares to money for BOs but this was only fake promise.
UI distroyed all work TOPs with theirs BOs with fake Upay system and fake promise exchange this Upay to money for BOs. Fortunatelly Moruf not leaved investors like other TOPs and BOs where people losed all money with TOPs projects .
After info from UI about start theirs new site dcashprojects.com in November Barbara was sure that UI site will be close . In this time UI scamed people with theirs fake cash projects Agro and Wood . From 15 February UI stoped paid dividend from this bulshit so Barbara start work for open new site where can continue now work with her investors without UI . And her decision was very good for her investors.
Site UI not work now so all people losed money what have there . But investors Cocoa from UI had now new shares on investrealprojects, all amount what they paid on UI for Cocoa and will be have continue paid dividend and buyback option after expire project.On trade market will be can sale faster too as expire project.
Site is very young and team all time build it .

ribshaw

05-13-2015, 04:13 PM

ribshaw you realy have problem with read ???

I have scamlexia , when someone's story can't be independently verified I read between the lies lines.

Now all her investors from UI give shares on new site so not one inwestor losed money

If dividend obligations have been paid for the past 13 months investors would be more than whole and not need new stock.

Wait for it...

Barbara paid dividend of sold Cocoa obligations from April 2014

WTF???

BO Cocoa has now partial money from this project so after close UI site you think that he can run away with this money as scamer ???

sako worked on UI as Barbara distributor in her team in April 2014 and this is his FB not Cocoa project

Will Elegance be suing him for false advertising since he advertised "my company"?

10594

TEDY, picking apart your little scam is almost as much fun as pretending I'm too tired for sex.

ramble, ramble, blah, scammer speak, unverifiable promises, ramble, scam speak, insult

The rest of whatever the hell you claimed was a whole lot more of the same, only making less sense than ever and it's time for Wapner, definitely time for Wapner.

TEDY

05-14-2015, 01:56 AM

ribshaw funny you are now and your arguments are now without sense.

If you do not know how worked TOP project on UI why you write stupid texts without info ??? You wrote about investrealprojects that they are scam , now you wrote that I lie .
" If dividend obligations have been paid for the past 13 months investors would be more than whole and not need new stock." - realy you think that without site , tools for it Barbara can work with her old investors ? Project is not complete so strange for you that they want continue work without UI ?
They have more projects from Nigeria so new site have sense.

What you can not understand in info about BO who has partial money from Cocoa project on UI ???
Barbara sold partial obligations on UI and sent him money - what you not understand here ?

"Will Elegance be suing him for false advertising since he advertised "my company"? "- sure like you who write about them scamers :RpS_smile:

I answered for all your funny arguments I think , what will be next ?
You know that post by post you are only more and more pathetic ?

If for you is strange that company with more capital can have more profit and share this profit with investors you nothing know about real business .

ribshaw

05-14-2015, 09:26 AM

They have more projects from Nigeria so new site have sense.

Of course they do, they will forever be in pre-launch and re-launch with new stock and new promises. Does not change the fact that the money is long gone. Just suckers holding out hope and pimps like you wishing I would shut up.

I answered for all your funny arguments I think , what will be next ?

You haven't answered any of my arguments. I want independently verifiable proof of what you are claiming, a girl could go broke listening to the type of unsubstantiated nonsense you are banging out.

You know that post by post you are only more and more pathetic ?

Yet this thread is getting more daily traffic than your phony Cocoa Trading Scam. Maybe people for sorry for me cowing to your obvious financial brilliance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ6p_JgjpbI

TEDY

05-14-2015, 02:58 PM

ribshaw

05-14-2015, 03:14 PM

I think that I answered and all can check this info on net

Answer this one simple question, then we can get back to your normal tap dancing.

Your pal claims his stock is 30% subscribed and has for some time. How do you know he is not 600% subscribed and just cashing checks?

10586

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW5aDmQLqVY

EagleOne

05-14-2015, 03:55 PM

TEDY answering any real questions is impossible. All he's got is the hype, smoke and mirrors of the BS put out by the admin of this Ponzi.

I just find it funny that a Ponzi pimp comes here to try to promote and defend his Ponzi de Jour thinking he is going to change our minds. But I do appreciate his proving with each and every post this is a Ponzi, and to all who read here just how a Ponzi works and how those who promote them use deflection, misdirection, and obfuscation when they can't answer simple questions.

Keep it up TEDY, you are doing a great job of proving this is a Ponzi. We thank you.

Whip

05-14-2015, 07:45 PM

well, he certainly can't break the stereotype of the typical Nigerian scammer. I imagine the 'dead nobody left you a gazillion dollars' is next.

TEDY

05-15-2015, 05:11 AM

yes Whip stereotype it is and I only not like stereotype .
Eagle you think that I looking here investors to this site ??? For me this is not scam because they nothing hide , face business owner you too see on skype and on theirs forum in materials from You Tube . Document from High Court of Justice with stamp , picture this persone for Olam Nigeria Limited company I have too with date 2013. I received it from Barbara long time before start this site , in March 2014 . Barbara always can send more documents like on site is pasted now for investors . For example I pasted you here screen from document where you had info about audit this company because one asked about it .
I only show you that stereotype not always is true .
ok discus about the site I end now and you do not have to waste time looking for funny videos on ponzi but it showed me how old are "experts" on the forum.

I see next site cecvn.com
where I see this info in project

Product Description

Roi is minimum 1% and can up to 10% not fixed

This is a life project born out of the desire to have a corporate body oversee all investments on this platform . CECVN Limited through its legal team has initiated the . The license once granted shall give Cecvn Limited an additional legal status to list and fund projects in Viet Nam . Once license is granted, Cecvn Limited primary activities shall be Funds Management , Equipment leasing , Project Financing, LPO Financing, Financial Consultancy, Debt Administration and GUARANTEE project with 100% of the capital of platform. Dividend from company earning from Commission of project on this platform , make a new payment system CEPay and ecommerce in Viet Nam. Dividend this project minimum is 1%/share each month, and will grown up if platform have much project succeed.We are a branch of company CECVN LIMITED in Viet Nam for verify and manager all project in Viet Nam

Info about this Branch :

M floor ,An Phu Plaza, 117-119 Ly Chinh Thang Street, 7 Ward, Ho Chi Minh, District 3, 700000, VIET NAM
is the registered holder of 100000 ORDINARY shares of GBP1.00 each in the above-named Company,
subject to the Memorandum and Articles of Association of the said Company. This certificate is
executed by the Company in accordance with the Companies Act 2006.

company without any license and certificate sale shares what you think about it ? What you think about legal work this site, theirs profit for investors , reality profit from little Hotel with 20 rooms ?

littleroundman

05-15-2015, 05:54 AM

yes Whip stereotype it is and I only not like stereotype

TEDY, you are EXACTLY the stereotypical HYIP ponzi fraudster.

What's more, you reinforce the fact with each successive post

You don't answer questions, but instead provide links to other HYIP ponzis as some sort of proof returns of 6% a month are possible

CFundin is a ponzi fraud offering impossible to deliver returns on investment

Cecvn is a ponzi fraud offering impossible to deliver returns on investment

Investrealprojects is a ponzi fraud offering impossible to deliver returns on investment

Uinvest WAS a ponzi fraud offering impossible to deliver returns on investment which collapsed owing its' investors, exactly as predicted.

Better stick to posting your nonsense on the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums, TEDY.

TEDY

05-15-2015, 07:55 AM

littleroundman I show your this other site because you can see difference investrealproject and other .
For you Nigeria=scam and with this opinion you are for me moron only because not all in Nigeria are scammer . What questions I not answered to you ???
I answered and show that you are not right .
Top 30 Agriculture Business And Investment Ideas - Practical Business Ideas - Best Small Scale Investment Opportunities In 2015 (http://www.practicalbusinessideas.com/2014/10/30-agriculture-farming-business-ideas.html)
and I hope see much good projects from them in the future . In link you see Top 30 Agriculture Business And Investment Ideas so maybe for you scammers write it too .

littleroundman

05-15-2015, 09:28 AM

I answered and show that you are not right .

You have answered nothing.

All you have done is link to other Nigerian ponzi scams and an article which talks about potential agricultural business ideas.

You STILL haven't produced any evidence of a real, non ponzi business which can promise 50% to 60% annual returns to its' investors before it has even picked its' first cacao bean.

ribshaw

05-15-2015, 09:33 AM

What questions I not answered to you ???

"How The Sales Person Reacts To Your Due Diligence Questions Is An Important Clue. Con-artists are second only to politicians in evasion and double-speak.

As you begin asking due diligence questions it is important to notice the quality and tone of the sales person’s response. This can provide you with vital clues to the quality of the investment he is peddling."

Due Diligence Checklist To Prevent Investment Fraud (http://financialmentor.com/free-articles/investment-advice/due-diligence/due-diligence-checklist-to-prevent-investment-fraud)

So maybe few morons will be can understand it

I see here only SUPER EXPERTS haha

why you write as any moron ?

Super expert lawyer in action hehe

ribshaw I think you too not know how read on net , you know what is this 419 ? I know

NikSam I think you are only moron who nothing know and write about all scammers .

ribshaw hyips all know how it work , for what you pasted here it ? Because you see Cocoa in name ???

for me text from moron only who nothing check but write here "reliable" opinion as "expert".

Sure I can too write here that I invested on the Moon stock

Of course few here will be always talk - not possible because for them all is scam .

ribshaw you nothing know but write

ribshaw you realy have problem with read ???

ribshaw funny you are now and your arguments are now without sense.

For you Nigeria=scam and with this opinion you are for me moron only because not all in Nigeria are scammer .

What questions I not answered to you ???

But do returns in excess of market rates pass the business common sense test – our first test for investment fraud?

(1) How exactly does this investment strategy create above market returns? What is the competitive advantage?

(2) What are the barriers that will lock out competitors so that additional capital and supply doesn’t force returns down to market level?

There are no exceptions. All investments have risk.

(1) What are all the conditions under which this investment will lose money?

(2) What is the worst market environment for this investment strategy?

(3) What assumptions or correlations must remain valid for profits to continue?

(4) What crazy, impossible to imagine situations would result in losses if they actually occurred no matter how remote the possibility of their occurence?

Independent auditing and segregation.

(1) Will the funds be segregated from other accounts available to the business?
(2) What independent bank or brokerage will be mailing audited statements?

Beware if the only written material you receive is a glossy brochure.

The primary reason investment fraud is marketed to individual investors instead of institutions is because individual investors rarely do their due diligence; whereas, institutions nearly always do their due diligence. That makes small investors easier prey.

For that reason, be extra careful when sophisticated or non-traditional investments are marketed to individual, non-accredited, investors in denominations under $100,000. It is another warning sign that should prompt you into even more detailed due diligence as shown below.

Remember, once a con man gets your money then it’s gone forever.

Top 26 Warning Signs of Investment Fraud (http://financialmentor.com/investment-advice/investment-fraud-prevention/top-26-warning-signs-of-investment-fraud/14692)

Wait, this could be a scam, welcome to my school, Stevie's scam school. YEAH, NICE...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etw2uVhQzvY

littleroundman

05-15-2015, 10:40 AM

Well, well, who woulda thunk it,

TEDYs' latest baby, Cecvn has it's own thread, (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Cecvn-Cecvncom-t492540.html)

And where else would that thread be but on the home of HYIP ponzi scams, MMG.

Definitely not the place you'd think of looking for something "legitimate" but certainly the first place you'd look to find any of TEDYs' recommendations

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/1932/4tgU8c.jpg

TEDY

05-15-2015, 11:28 AM

Where you see info that I recomended this site ???
You are looking for new scam so I showed you this site hehe as example . Of course you can check on net this business too so will be see what you can find about them . Yes It made me laugh because they only copied same from IRP site and same from Cfundin as you see and belive me I am sure that this funny admin is register on IRP and on CFundin now .

http://www.wealthresult.com/2013/09/Grow-Soybeans-in-Nigeria.html
especially for you I pasted this link now so read good .

NikSam

05-16-2015, 05:55 PM

Hmm, that is very interesting:

10620
...
URL: https://www.investrealprojects.com/we-already-start-paying-bonus-dividends/

I wonder how ? Weren't you suppose to raise at least 60% of the required sum to start trading your "beans".
Where those profits are coming from if you are not "trading beans" yet ?

Let me see, I think i remember how its called when you pay profits with money raised from investors .... just cannot put a name on it.

:RpS_wink:

So, instead of $200k required, you claim you already raised $60k, but you can pay profits on it already ?
So why don't you borrow $60k from a businessmen or from those super-duper respectful companies who mention you on their site, in a year or two
with your profit margin you will get $200k and more in profits but the great part you would not need to return all those high profits to investors and keep them to yourself.

And we should wonder how much Barabara and Moruf made in UInvest scam, wanna see the sums ? ;)
Just on UPAY debit card, Uinvest scammed Barbara for $50k, she does not even feel sad about it.

Why they did not invest (such a small sum for them) themselves to become mega-rich ? :RpS_lol:

What planet are you from, people, if you see nothing wrong with the picture ?

BTW, nice touch putting "real" in the name of the site, i wonder why banks like CityBank or Chase do not call themselves "The Real Citibank" or "The Real Chase".

Whip

05-16-2015, 07:33 PM

this reads like the scammer's posts in this thread. Shocking i say!

Hello xxxx,

How are you doing today ?i really appreciate your response ,and sorry for late reply,i want you to know that am new to this internet dating stuff,but i believe things will work out the way we want from here and we can start a relationship,so i will like to tell you about myself ,i hope this letter finds you well...I was born in the year 1980 and that was when my whole family were living in England,before we relocated to the united states,where i grew up,Am the only daughter of my both parents,and Dad was a goldsmith in Essex.and he is originally from United Kingdom,while mum is from the United State in Maryland.

I lost my Dad four years ago when he got involved in a motor accident,when himself and mum went to visit one of a family member,According to the officers that witnessed it,he said the car brake failed and dad couldn't control himself,so he died in his attempt to gain balance,anyway mum is yet to get over the shock of the accident,she was able to survive while dad died immediately.After dad`s death,i stayed with mum for sometime in Maryland,But when things were not easy as it used to be ,i had no choice than to move to one of our far relations who was then before her death was a fashion designer and hairdresser.through her i met so many people and she introduced me into fashion designing and female hairdressing.

I spent years in learning it from her,A year after i completed my apprenticeship,my mum passed away and i immediately caught up with life and started operating on my own after spending few months working for her,I was there working with her before a childhood friend called me that a promoter approached her that he is looking for qualified fashion designer and whatever happens he would like to take one of us to NIGERIA for some contracts. My friend was picked but unfortunately she could not make the trip-it was during the process that she met the man of her life on the dating site and to my surprise, it was not long that they got married and i was really happy for them,her case got me convinced that this on-line dating thing can really work. And both of them are still in their honey moon somewhere in Hawaii and that was the reason this man decided to bring me down.I was replaced in her place and getting to NIGERIA we met the CEO of a textile company in Nigeria,they talked and my promoter agreed that we will need to advertise his new textile products as the company is a newly established one .It's been 2weeks that we have been here in Nigeria and the contract will be lapsing soon but(Mr jame bill)my promoter quickly went down to China to secure some contracts and he promised to be back by Saturday morning. So i am kind of lonely for now but i am doing all in my power to keep myself busy,

Now,i am looking for a new love,relationship (Mr Right) that's the reason you saw my profile on the dating site it was exactly this site that my friend met her husband and thank God they are now happily married.But the kind of man am looking for must be very well responsible,honest,caring, lovely,open minded As for the type of companion I desire. It is rather simple. Race, ethnicity,not religious or religious believe and physical appearance in general(and even distance) is not problem. My interest is in a good personality and sense of humor for I need someone to lift my spirits. I generally prefer men in any range b cos i believe age its just a number, but am open to any depending upon them i will love to share the intimate side of myself with someone willing to do the same. I hope to find a man that I could possibly have a new life and beginning with when i get back.so for the main time,i will like us to get to know each other better before my boss gets back and i hope things will work out between us,hope to read from you pretty soon,will appreciate it if you can tell me everything about you also,and a recent pics of yours will be nice to see .It was nice meeting you.

Stay blessed,

Lisa xx

TEDY

05-17-2015, 03:16 AM

Niksam on Monday you will be have more interesting info on this site ;) like about bonus .
You ask why Barbara not invested ? From whom you have info that she not invested ? Now she and her team make marketing , she paid bonus no Moruf . She is partner Moruf on site . You think that site like it is with free ? All know that on UI same people paid 10k for debit card from Upay - not 50k .
Yes Barbara losed more 200k balance and more 50k Upay on UI from her account but always all money from sold Cocoa obligations she sent to BO so now all her old investors from UI will have continue investment and wait start dividend .
BONUS this is marketing .
About name with word "real" after UI bad experience it is and they can have name what they want .
about start dividend after sale 60% of project - what is strange for you in it ? BO has calculating and in this 60% are all old shares from UI too . The condition will change now .
Maybe for you is not difference have capital for cash-flow 100k and 300k

ribshaw for you info now :
" ELEGANCE MULTIPURPOSE BUSINESS VENTURES is registered with corporate affairs commission as a business enterprises in Nigeria. The promoter have individually engaged in cooperative agricultural produce buying and selling, The promoter and his team meets farmers directly and educates them how they can produce quality farm products that will meet the buyers specifications.
THE COMPANY
Elegance venture is to be the preferred source of buying and selling of cocoa beans and other agro commodities, while its mission is to create value for all stakeholders by providing consistent excellent products through passionate, motivated and dedicated staffs.
MARKET
Since 1999, Nigeria has witnessed a significant increase in economic activities because of the renewed experience in domestic governance. Among the dividend of democracy is the completion of new roads and the ongoing reconstruction of existing damaged ones thereby promoting the movement of goods and farm produce, Nigeria being an agrarian society, the agricultural sector remains the largest employer of labor. The demand for cocoa beans is high as it constitute a major export and serve a major ingredient in the beverages industries both national and internationally.
Hence, the expansion of Elegance ventures to cocoa beans trading will focus on buying and selling, storage and supply of cocoa beans to beverages and food processing industries both in and outside Nigeria
RISKS
The major risk in cocoa business is when the rain starts without sun to sundry cocoa beans to meet the specification but with availability of drying machines, the risk is minimized to 2%.
FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY
The project will from the first year generate profit based on the cash-flow projection.
PRODUCT
ELEGANCE VENTURES is dealing with purchasing, storage and supplying of cocoa beans and other agricultural products, Therefore to source for cocoa beans and others is very easy for Elegance company as the company has strategic plan[with farmers] through her marketing team
CUSTOMERS
The market for cocoa beans in Nigeria is growing very fast with opportunities for improving the income of farmers, in fact Elegance ventures supplies to TULIP COCOA, MULTITREX NIG., and wish to expand our services to more processors in and outside Nigeria.
COMPETITION
Competition can be defined as a situation where by two or more firm engage in trading of the same good or same production/service .Elegance Ventures is unique in trading of cocoa beans as a business with adequate and experience staffs with availability of necessary marketing strategies. Similarly, having adequate knowledge of buying and selling, adequate operational instruments maybe hinder inability to compete with other produce buyers.
OPERATIONS/DISTRIBUTION
The company will adopt a marketing strategy by ensuring increase in demand, the promoters would embark on aggressive promotion and advertising in the electronic media and personal interaction with the identified industries. Distribution of the products would be done through bulk supply to companies"
BO have list of members his society so all investors from site are on this list too and BO always can show to his authority actually list with amount investment all members .
Money from project is use in society and the project is investment goal.

as you can check alone on net market cocoa, soya , cashew nuts etc is big in Nigeria . BO can export it but he has big local market for it too.
For profit he need only has contracts and he has it .
Now he work for example with contract 1000 tons cashew nuts . Amount this contract is 160 000 000 Niara . He has of course more contracts now and need money for it .
I pasted you link where you see info that agent on local market can have net 8-15% margine from one transaction .
In this business all is connect , work with farmers is key so if he is General Secretary of one associate farmers this is his database for work too.

NikSam

05-17-2015, 09:25 AM

...
You ask why Barbara not invested ? From whom you have info that she not invested ? Now she and her team make marketing , she paid bonus no Moruf . She is partner Moruf on site . You think that site like it is with free ? All know that on UI same people paid 10k for debit card from Upay - not 50k .
Yes Barbara losed more 200k balance and more 50k Upay on UI from her account but always all money from sold Cocoa obligations she sent to BO so now all her old investors from UI will have continue investment and wait start dividend .
BONUS this is marketing .
About name with word "real" after UI bad experience it is and they can have name what they want .
about start dividend after sale 60% of project - what is strange for you in it ? BO has calculating and in this 60% are all old shares from UI too . The condition will change now .
Maybe for you is not difference have capital for cash-flow 100k and 300k ....

You missed the point completely, Barbara made way more money in Uinvest (yes, suckers, she got the money which been stolen from you and swims in them)
than whatever she claims she lost in worthless UI balance. Even loosing $50k of fresh funds in UPAY debit card scam did not bother her a bit.
She has a lot of money, the point is why would not she and Moruf trade beans on their own money they already have instead of raising a small $200k sum from internet strangers? Or you are trying to say they both already put up millions of their money into the project and were just $200k short :)

You also missed the point, if the project did not launch, you cannot pay any freaking profits or bonuses to investors, because there are none, you can only pay them with investors own money (even if you claim the money are not from the same wallet) - ponzi.

TEDY, you yourself are damaging this crap-site more than we do.
They only solicited $60k from under a hundred investors, nobody cares about that site , too small, too dumb, no investigators and no cops will see it as a priority or a danger - the investigation will cost more than this site can possibly scam.
I only brought it up here as one of examples how UI contributed to spreading more crowdfunding-themed ponzis, when their past pimps trying to launch own uinvests.
The difference is none of you idiots are smart enough as people behind UI to make something like that and stay out of jail, you are dumb,
Or to be politically correct - not fully mentally developed - and this site can attract to invest only people with lesser mental abilities than of admins.

So, we only talk about this crap-site as an entertainment and because you are the one who insist on talking about it, you damage the site cause you make us pay more attention to it and point to its lies, damaging the recruitment.

ribshaw

05-17-2015, 12:17 PM

ribshaw for you info now :
" ELEGANCE MULTIPURPOSE BUSINESS VENTURES is registered with corporate affairs commission as a business enterprises in Nigeria. The promoter have individually engaged in cooperative agricultural produce buying and selling, The promoter and his team meets farmers directly and educates them how they can produce quality farm products that will meet the buyers specifications.

Blah blah blah, unanswered questions, blah, more words, blah, cut and paste, high returns, blah, BO, list, goal, cheese sandwich, blah.

TEDY once again you are repeating yourself and not providing any information of value. I can make up a bunch of websites too and then point people to them and claim to be doing great things.

Just read this article today. Out of all the funds tracked, funds that can largely invest anywhere in anything Moduck is promising a ROI that beats even the best. Not only that, you are asking the reader to believe Modork has a crystal ball and already knows how things will shake out through 2018. I find that as probable as thinking the same fund will be in the top slot three years from now and/or anyone short of luck can predict who the top fund will be.

The average best of the best is 21% per year and who knows how these "best" funds did it. Surely some were just in the right place at the right time. Then let's hold hands with papa reality and his overall average of 7.36% compared against Modaddy and his unheard of 5% per month. Finally what about all the funds that closed, why do you suppose they shut their doors? Just making too much money investing in cocoa trading stocks sold via godady websites I reckon.

Barron (http://online.barrons.com/articles/barrons-best-100-hedge-funds-2015-list-1431743877)

No. 1 spot, with an impressive three-year annualized gain of 57%.

According to BarclayHedge, the average hedge fund returned 7.36% annualized over the three years ended in 2014 (our benchmark); the average for our Best 100 exceeded 21%, net of fees, about a percentage point better the average return of the Standard & Poor's 500.

Industry data analyst HFR reported that in all, 864 funds closed in 2014, a slight decrease from 904 the year before.

TEDY

05-17-2015, 05:57 PM

NikSam you are only moron . You write about UI investors that they stolen money other ??? SUPER PSEUDO EXPERT as I see who know all better . And not your business belive me who and how much invested on UI . Not you business who how much money have . We discus here about site investrealprojects. As you see now dividend will be start in June I think .
ribshaw I pasted you as example market analyse . I can better analyse pasted you but for what if you do not know how it read ???
You know how to read business plan ?
Calculating for cashew nuts I pasted you here too as example from business portal, not from company , because morons like you can talk that company lie in business plan . For soya you can alone find on net calculating too .

ribshaw

05-17-2015, 07:49 PM

.
ribshaw I pasted you as example market analyse . I can better analyse pasted you but for what if you do not know how it read ???
You know how to read business plan ?
Calculating for cashew nuts I pasted you here too as example from business portal, not from company , because morons like you can talk that company lie in business plan . For soya you can alone find on net calculating too .

Your beguiling denigration aside, one set of data with nothing to corroborate it is still valueless. I promise on my bestest bear if you get it all together and post it here I will ask one of the growd-ups to help me understand.

Let's take a look at a classic example of a company run through a black box with the same smoke and mirrors you are trying to use here. Maybe you can tell me around the 1:00 mark what is being asked for and why that might be important?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ10kRJY1VY

There are better stories than your cocoa trading farce being told by people with a lot more stroke than a few ex UI investors...

Among other illicit activity, GRAY allegedly fraudulently induced an investor (“Investor-1”) to invest $5 million in a fund controlled by GRAY, based on the false representation that GRAY would invest that money, through the fund, in shares of Uber Technologies, Inc. (“Uber”). In fact, GRAY allegedly did not invest any of Investor-1’s $5 million in Uber, instead using that $5 million investment to repay investors who believed they had invested in shares of Twitter, Inc. (“Twitter”), including Investor-1 himself, who also believed he had invested in Twitter. In support of the scheme, GRAY allegedly forged a stock transfer agreement, which he provided to Investor-1, purporting to show that GRAY, through a fund he controlled, had used the $5 million investment to purchase over 175,000 shares of Uber. In fact, and as GRAY well knew, he had purchased no Uber shares whatsoever.

FBI — Managing Director of Venture Capital Firm Arrested and Charged in Manhattan Federal Court in Connection with Multi-Million-Dollar Ponzi Scheme (http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2015/managing-director-of-venture-capital-firm-arrested-and-charged-in-manhattan-federal-court-in-connection-with-multi-million-dollar-ponzi-scheme)

Whip

05-17-2015, 08:01 PM

Despite being asked multiple times, you STILL haven't explained how it is possible to pay investors over 50% interest per year from ANY investment, much less from trading in such a highly competitive commodity like cacao beans.

It's just not possible UNLESS you're running a ponzi fraud

Which is precisely what you're pimping - a Nigerian ponzi fraud

we're still waiting on this answer correct? I haven't seen one yet.

TEDY

05-18-2015, 06:53 AM

Whip if you not read what I wrote before what you not see ?
Company is agent who buy cocoa, soya , cashew nuts etc from farmers and sale it to big processors in Nigeria like Continaf , Tulip , Olam and other . Company have net margine from it 8-15% on local market from one transaction . Local market is big and all goods what buy company can sale to this big processors without problem. In Nigeria are not big farmers so one persone with not much goods can not cooperate with big processors . Therefore farmers have associates and agents for work with processors like Olam and other . For proff that local agent can have this net margine with all calculating I pasted here info from one business portal from Nigeria .And you can see there costs for example . You think that company work without any business plan ? No, they planing turnover 4000 tons in first year , 6 000 tons in next years but for it need capital .4000 tons this is arround 350 tons monthly . Company cooperate now with arround 2000 farmers . One farmer is producer arround 10 tons cocoa per season( cocoa I give as example now because company trading not only cocoa beans ) . Company can make arround 2 transaction per month with calculating time for buy , send this goods to processor and receive payment from it .

littleroundman

05-18-2015, 07:15 AM

Company have net margine from it 8-15% on local market from one transaction

8% to 15% margins on ONE transaction does not translate to 16% to 30% margin on TWO transactions or 24% to 45 on THREE transactions

8% to 15% margin per transaction (which is only possible if everything goes exactly to plan, which rarely happens in agriproducts) does NOT enable a company to offer 50% to 60% return to investors

You are talking like a typical HYIP ponzi pimp who throws around numbers to try and trick newbies into believing such returns are possible - and it ain't working for you.

We don't have to do anything

You are proving yourself to be a bulltish artist more and more with each succeeding post

Better go back to the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums where the ponzi players don't care if you make up stuff

ribshaw

05-18-2015, 08:19 AM

Whip if you not read what I wrote before what you not see ?

Whip only understands if you reference a Simpsons episode...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTPPh_njF5Q

No, they planing turnover 4000 tons in first year , 6 000 tons in next years but for it need capital .4000 tons this is arround 350 tons monthly.

350 Tons * $3134.03 = $1,096,910.50 needed less any pretendy margins you assert.

$60,000 raised and claiming to get ready to almost be ready to nearly ready to start paying 5% per month sometime soon. :RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

TEDY, imagine how many suckers you have helped to avoid this scam just by your continued presence. You should have Barbara & MoJo read this thread, I bet you get a smile sticker and a bonus.

=======================================
Cocoa beans Daily Price
3,134.06

Cocoa beans, US$ per metric tonne
As of: Thursday, May 14, 2015
Source: International Cocoa Organization

Cocoa beans - Daily Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi (http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=cocoa-beans)

laidback

05-18-2015, 08:38 AM

It's good that this maroon is spreading his drivel via a keyboard...he could never get the job done orally with both feet stuck in his mouth and his head firmly...err...umm...oh, never mind!

TEDY

05-18-2015, 08:41 AM

littleroundman

05-18-2015, 09:26 AM

So, not only can you not string together a coherent sentence, now we know your math skills are abysmal, as well.

Keep on talking, TEDY, keep on talking.

You're doing our job for us.

TEDY

05-18-2015, 09:53 AM

littleroundman me not interesting theirs plans me interesting company will be can paid 5% roi monthy or not to investors . So with one transaction monthly 120 tons of cocoa can paid it if will have more transactions will have more profit itself only . I calculate now min what can be for this 5% roi monthly realize in this project but I think you not understand it .

littleroundman

05-18-2015, 10:04 AM

but I think you not understand it .

I don't understand it because it only happens in ponzi scams, not in the real world.

ribshaw

05-18-2015, 10:18 AM

Cashew nuts per tone price is arround 800$ , Soya price per tone is arround 800$ , all amount project of Cocoa is 362 000$ . Why you pasted me as moron price from stock ? So you think that with capital 362 000$ company can have not profit and can not have 4000 tons turnover per year ? they use theirs money too so you think that they have 0 capital to work now ? 5% from 362 000 this is 18 100$ monthly for investors. If he will be have only one transaction monthy with min margine 8% from this 8-15% he can paid it
One transaction I mean 362 000 this is arround 120 tons cocoa per month and I wrote before time one transaction is arround 2 weeks .

TEDY since cocoa can be controlled on margin your story of Magoo both having capital yet needing capital and at the same returning to investors obscene amounts of capital becomes more dubious with each post. Really I am not sure why you are here instead of securing your own financing to deep throat this whole deal yourself. :RpS_confused::RpS_confused::RpS_confused:

http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/agricultural/softs/cocoa_performance_bonds.html

Wow this sums it up nicely, especially the part about who holds the custody of the money and smooth consistent returns. Plus I know you like videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYgKH48UaOw

One of my all time favs...

Salad Oil Scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salad_Oil_Scandal)

10648

littleroundman

05-18-2015, 10:24 AM

Really I am not sure why you are here

You know, I really think TEDY has convinced himself he's doing himself and his ponzi mates some good by being here and refuses to accept he's scaring away potential victims investors with every post

Whip

05-18-2015, 10:29 AM

you expected less persistence than all the other Nigerian scam emailers?

littleroundman

05-18-2015, 10:55 AM

TEDY reminds me of the fabled Australian Hoop Snake.

It becomes so convinced of its' own importance, influence and "rightness", it begins to chase its' own tail.

It goes around and around in ever decreasing circles until it eventually disappears up its' own anal orifice

cfund

05-18-2015, 11:14 AM

1st. Ribshaw thanks for your unqualified answer. You talking about a fund nobody know. I know that some of the best forex trader can gain a profit from 15% (max) and monthly. I not know the names but it is possible. Maybe some of you know the name Warren Buffett.
2nd. WHY did all of you not read the full text and understand it?
I got your point you just want bring us to the boil. You want insult us, and nerve us.

ONCE AGAIN: 1. Do right investigations. Read the full text and answer only if you understand the full content.
Sometimes it seems that u not want understand cause u are to dumb or just want to provoke us.

There is everything explained by Tedy, and I also can give right maths from the owner if I would than u can see that there is a profit from about 5% at least.
Why you not go to the bank and ask them or call them where Moruf has a contract with????

I mean you have the freedom, also you can go to the ministry of trade and ask they about the registration etc. pp . You would get all until it is not under the NDA. That was signed with the bank and the BO. I hope you know what a NDA is and that every company has something like that. Cause sometimes it seems that u can only post childish videos, not read and understand the full context, ask silly questions that have been 10000 times answered in post on old sites.
They offer documents, yes and informations also you can go search through the www and find documents, informations, bank docts, registrations or whatever you like to find. Call the bank ask them, and then tell me what illegal company get a loan?

The blame is by the opener of this Thread.
I don’t understand why every buiss in the world must be dismantle?
I would like to see if you could be more polite / gentler and do some research first.
Love that nonsense post with that indexmundi.com. " This site contains detailed country statistics..... " What does this tell us ? Right : statistics ! indicators!
Thank you for not understanding the above written text.

Last words are addressed to Tedy : stop to galvanize that topic.Stop posting anything that the children not would understand cause they still live in US Rights in her brain. They are blind they never would understand when a real business unfold all cards for the public and also make a nice return.
They are blind in their lonely, little world with no friends and no job and they must life from their transfer benefits. (Also called welfare) See you good night that topic is closed for me. We have contracts yes they exist, they are real and also with stamp etc….

Thank you for not understanding the above written text.

littleroundman

05-18-2015, 11:22 AM

Maybe some of you know the name Warren Buffett.

Seeing you brought it up, cfund, Warren Buffetts' Berkshire Hathaway averaged an ANNUAL growth in book value of 19.7% to its shareholders for the last 49 years

19.7% per YEAR is not 3% or 4% or 5% a MONTH

Only ponzis can promise that sort of return

Whip

05-18-2015, 11:27 AM

Maybe some of you know the name Warren Buffett.

and he has actually what to do with your scam?

ribshaw

05-18-2015, 12:11 PM

I know that some of the best forex trader can gain a profit from 15% (max) and monthly.
I not know the names but it is possible.

You should find out the names and invest, you are so going to be filthy rich. What are you even doing here, have TEDY cosign a note and invest the proceeds from your cocoa trading. **** skip the cocoa trading, who wants 5% per month when 15% is possible?

Leverage as High as 50-1 Lures OTC Forex Traders Who Most - Bloomberg Business (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-11-12/leverage-as-high-as-50-1-lures-otc-forex-traders-who-mostly-lose)

1st. Ribshaw thanks for your unqualified answer. You talking about a fund nobody know.

You're welcome, if they didn't know now they do. People love publicly available information to gauge the reality of tall tales of cocoa dreams.

Barron (http://online.barrons.com/articles/barrons-best-100-hedge-funds-2015-list-1431743877)

Sometimes it seems that u not want understand cause u are to dumb

Understand that your saying I don't understand is not the same as me not understanding, understand?

ONCE AGAIN: 1. Do right investigations.

I just finished yelling at someone on the phone and came back here to cool down and screw off for a bit, I don't give two shits about your trading scheme. There is no scenario in this world or the next where I send money for an investment direct to the person who claims to be investing it. If I was using one of your super duper 15% per month FX traders the money would be held at an investment bank and their only access would be to trade it. The investment bank and not the trader would send me the statements. The investment bank, not the trader would handle my withdrawal requests. Both the government and independent auditors would oversee the investment bank. Did I mention SIPC in case of broker fraud?

Other than shits and giggles I'm here to give people who want it enough information to minimize the risk of being scammed. It they want to call around and dot all the i's and cross all the t's that you and TEDY refuse to do that's on them. If they want to mail you a check based on your obviously qualified answers certainly it will turn out well.

or just want to provoke us.

I love having you ladies here, hope you stick around long enough to explain to your investors where all their money went.

EagleOne

05-18-2015, 01:26 PM

I want to congratulate cfund for getting just about every Ponzi cliché in one post. Sadly they have nothing to do with the reality of this not being a Ponzi. It is just the typical deflection, attempt to obfuscate, name-calling, tossing in a famous person's name that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, we are idiots, we can't read, we don't understand, etc, etc., and all done in the first two paragraphs. CONGRATULATIONS!

But my favorite was the claim that some of the best FOREX traders can make a profit of 15% (max) and monthly. News flash for you cfund: You have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to what a "REAL" FOREX trader can make in one day, week, month or year. NONE. All you did was repeat the same ole Ponzi mantra trying to validate this Ponzi can make the returns it claims, and hoping people would believe what you said.

I also want to join LRM in thanking you and TEDY for doing more to convince people this is a Ponzi. We appreciate the help in warning people about why they should not join. You two are doing a superb job! KEEP IT UP! We do greatly appreciate it.

One last thing: Liars always lie and we enjoy exposing their lies. And the best part is they help us do it.

NikSam

05-18-2015, 03:44 PM

...
I got your point you just want bring us to the boil. You want insult us, and nerve us.
...

No, Stefan, I honestly would not give a **** about you, you are the one who insists to bring your name and your illegal investment site up by posting here.
Of course I appreciate you for being my fan, I see you read every post of mine for years in here and in other places :)
(even that you confused a lot of people with me, every naysayer who attacked your Uinvest you just called Nik (or Chris because you thought he is me) :) )
let's just say I have an edge over other scambusters in investigating ponzis from my homeland, and never had Uinvest obsession as you claimed I do.

Keep doing what you do, i'll keep records and one day you will have some explaining to do to BaFin and in courts.
We can both do what we do without talking to each other.

P.S. Also funny, that you (operator of cfundin) is defending Barbara's & Moruf investrealprojects crap-site.
I understand you are friends from Uinvest years (scammed alot of folks together by being UI collaborators) , but common, Moruf is competitor to your 8% per month ponzi and his legend is way better than yours :)

P.P.S. Was it you who got me banned on MMG ?

NikSam

05-18-2015, 04:17 PM

Stefan, a bit of advice, why don't you hire a great sysadmin / webmaster / developer for your crap-site ?
You can ask Dima (http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index2.html#post47385), he is an "expert" in kind of sites you need and I heard he lost his "job" :)

Market! Market!

05-19-2015, 10:56 AM

[COLOR="#FF0000"]The primary reason investment fraud is marketed to individual investors instead of institutions is because individual investors rarely do their due diligence; whereas, institutions nearly always do their due diligence. That makes small investors easier prey.

Wow! Well said. I learned something new today.
Makes perfect sense.
Why not market it to institutions? They have more money.
Simple! Institutions will do due diligence and will know that it is a SCAM.
If it is not a scam but a sure way to make money, why aren't bank managers or fund managers jumping in on this?
Do you think people who work in financial institutions are stupid not to realize it's the real thing?
Do you people who work in financial institutions won't invest if they know it will surely make them richer?
Scammers know it is much much harder to fool institutions.

Thanks ribshaw!

ribshaw

05-20-2015, 10:41 AM

I got your point you just want bring us to the boil. You want insult us, and nerve us

They are blind they never would understand when a real business unfold all cards for the public and also make a nice return.

Now Now I don't want you to think I am just picking on you, I have moucho contempto for a lot of crap offered to the public with some variation of what you just bleated.

Wow! Well said. I learned something new today.

I cut and pasted that quote so can't take credit for the wording, but the thinking is spot on IMO.

Makes perfect sense.
Why not market it to institutions? They have more money.
Simple! Institutions will do due diligence and will know that it is a SCAM.
If it is not a scam but a sure way to make money, why aren't bank managers or fund managers jumping in on this?
Do you think people who work in financial institutions are stupid not to realize it's the real thing?
Do you people who work in financial institutions won't invest if they know it will surely make them richer?
Scammers know it is much much harder to fool institutions.

This is spot on, and I know TEDY and Cfundin don't like talking about the stock market, but Initial Public Offering (IPO) Definition | Investopedia (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/ipo.asp) are a perfect example of this. Almost always the good ones are snapped up by the big institutions before they begin trading and the dogs are offered to the public on an all you can eat basis. Even after companies come public something on the order of 3 out of 4 end up trading below their offer price. The public many times is nothing more than a source of funds to get the big boys out.

You might find quick enjoyable read. Even when things are on the "up and up" the institutions have made big business extracting money and offering little in return. I also believe broad based indexing is a perfect way to minimize the risk of fall prey to crooked dealing.

Fool.com: 60-Second Guide to Index Investing (http://www.fool.com/60second/indexfund.htm)

ribshaw

05-20-2015, 11:19 AM

Everybody loves the pretend Cashew trade, and all the real businesses get advertised on MMG.:RpS_wink:

Cristiul

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This bussiness has allready pass the verification process.
Here is a piece of information that demonstrates that such profits can be made.

Article of the week :
” PART 3 (SAMPLES AND QUOTATIONS)
CHAPTER 1
SAMPLE OF QUOTATION FOR CASHEW NUTS (FROM KWARA STATE DELIVERED TO LAGOS)
QUANTITY SUPPLIED 30 TONS
1. CASHEW NUTS @N80, 000/TON: 80,000 X 30 TONS.……………….………….. 2,400.000
2. BAGS (JUTE) @ N350/BAG X 13= N4500/TON: 4500 X 30 …………………. 136,500
3. LOADING @ N50/BAG X 13 = N650/TON: 650 X 30 ……………………………… 19,500
4. LABOUR: (sewing, grading etc) ……………………………………………………………. 10,000
5. PAPERS (from the point of procurement include; association paper… 30,000
Way bill, gate pass, produce fee etc.
6. PRODUCE FEE @ OGERE, OGUN STATE & BERGER, LAGOS STATE …………… 20,000
7. TRANSPORT (from kwara to Lagos) ………………………………………………………… 150,000
TOTAL …………….. 2,763,000
TOTAL COST OF A TRAILER LOAD (30 TONS) OF CASHEW NUTS IS TWO MILILION, SEVEN HUNDRED AND SIXTY THREE THOUSAND NAIRA.
Thus the final price per ton will be: 2,763,000 divided by 30 tons = N92, 100 (NINETY TWO THOUSAND AND ONE HUNDRED NAIRA).
Note that the actual price of cashew nuts per ton is now N92,100. It is now left for you to fix a suitable price for your consignment bearing in mind the actual cost of cashew nuts which is now N92,100 (ninety two thousand, one hundred naira).
The profit margin when selling locally is not really attractive due to the competition,
but the turnover is quite good. No matter the quantity you want to supply, buyers are always willing to purchase and pay you as soon as possible. There is always a standby buyer wishing to buy as many quantity you can supply at every point in time.
There are local buyers/exporters that can buy up to 30 trailers in a day as long as you have goods to supply.
They don’t owe suppliers money.
It is advisable to fix your profit margin between 8–15% when selling locally. (20% may be possible though but it is rare,most likely if you are supplying an individual who has an export contract
or a private firm but definitely not those indian buying companies in lagos).
let’s assume your profit marin is 10%, your sales price will be N101.310…. (9,210 + 92,100 =N101.310).
Hence profit margin on a ton will be selling price subtracted by actual cost price: 101,310 – 92,100 = N9,210 Thus profit on a trailer load of cashew nuts (3o tons) will be 9210 x 30 = N276,300
Thus on a two million seven hundred and sixty three thousand investment, you will make two
hundred and seventy six thousand returns which is approximately 10% of your initial investment.
Now let’s assume you are supplying only twice a week, you will be making 276,300 x 2 = N552,600 (five hundred and fifty two thousand, six hundred naira) every week (supplying twice a week may not be possible for every seller,
it depends on the supply capabilty of your source and also the availability of capital/fund).
Please note that the above quotation reflects the real cost of a transaction prepared by the author for a client at a particular time. The quotation was based on local transaction for a client from kwara state to buyer’s warehouse in Lagos.
The price of cashew nuts fluctuates almost on weekly basis, so the price of N80, 000 quoted may not be applicable or obtainable always. Price of cashew nuts fluctuated between N68, 000 – N90,000 this 2012 season. Also note that whenever the price of nuts rises, the selling price also rises accordingly.
Also note that cost of transportation, produce fee @ ogere and berger can be negotiated. you may get a better bargain from transporters.. N80,000 naira – N100,000 cost could be achieved from ilorin to lagos.
some truck drivers also know how to avoid the fee colectors @ ogere and berger therefore you may end up not paying but you will have to settle the drivers. you also need an escort (not an officer)
to follow the truck if you cant travel with the truck. they are usually paid between N5,000 – N10,000.”

Board Message (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=493271&view=findpost&p=1109246713)

TEDY

05-23-2015, 03:56 AM

For all morons like you ribshaw info from other business magazine from Nigeria . How profitable is business cocoa trading

HOW TO MAKE HUGE PROFIT SUPPLYING COCOA BEANS TO LOCAL INDUSTRIES IN NIGERIA. (http://www.foramfera.com/index.php/market-research-reports/item/114-how-to-make-huge-profit-supplying-cocoa-beans-to-local-industries-in-nigeria)

HOW TO MAKE HUGE PROFIT SUPPLYING COCOA BEANS TO LOCAL INDUSTRIES IN NIGERIA.

Providing employment for a large section of the population, agriculture remains a major source of economic activity in Nigeria. Nigeria produced 242 000 tonnes of cocoa in 2008. The National Cocoa Development Committee (NCDC), made up of the 14 cocoa producing states in the country, has distributed new high yield cocoa seedlings to cocoa farmers, and continues to allow the purchase of chemicals and inputs at 50% subsidy.

Cocoa ( Theobroma cacao L. ) is a native of Amazon region of South America. The bulk of it is produced in the tropical areas of the African continent. There are over 20 species in the genus but the cocoa tree Theobroma cacao is the only one cultivated widely.

Cocoa is the second major non-oil foreign exchange earner in Nigeria after leather. It is produced in fourteen {14} states of the federation namely Ondo,Cross River, Oyo, Osun, Ekiti, Ogun, Edo, Kogi, Akwa Ibom, Delta, Abia, Kwara, Ebonyi and Rivers with an annual production rate of 400,000 metric tons {MT}

Over 98% of the product is exported and it's provides means of livelihood and employment to over five million {5,000,000} people.

In the year 2005 alone, export revenue from the sales of cocoa amounted to US $ 136.7 Million with Netherland, UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, USA and Japan being the major export destination. Other emerging markets include China and India.

Foraminifera Market Research through this feasibility report seeks to expose the investment opportunity in the local trading of cocoa beans seed to local industries.

Cocoa beans is one of those commodity that the price is regulated and because of the numerous uses of cocoa seed and the high demand for the processed seed, the demand for cocoa seeds far outstrips supply.

This gap and the fact that the ex-Lagos price is usually at 80 pounds less the international price gives an opportunity for interested investors to go into the production of the product or simply trade the commodity.

The return on investment on the trading of cocoa beans seed is estimated between 10%- 15%.

littleroundman

05-23-2015, 05:38 AM

The return on investment on the trading of cocoa beans seed is estimated between 10%- 15%.

Which is how we know your fake website offering 50% to 60% ROI by dealing in cacao beans is a ponzi fraud.

ribshaw

05-23-2015, 09:37 AM

For all morons like you ribshaw info from other business magazine from Nigeria .

You mean the site using a service to hide their identity? You want to send your investment money to ghosts be my guest!

This site is using an anonymous service - which prevents us from identifying the site owner. This can sometimes be just so that the owner does not receive spam, but be aware that many scam sites use this as a method to hide their identify. If this is an ecommerce site - we would suggest you confirm the business address with the website owners.

is foramfera.com a scam or legit | foramfera.com trust reviews |check foramfera.com for fraud and risk | is foramfera.com safe or fake (http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/foramfera.com)

For all morons like you ribshaw info from other business magazine from Nigeria .

Morons like ribshaw would go for the processed teak at 20-30% profit. How do I know its true, why it's on a website of course. BRB after I find my checkbook and pawn the flatware.

PROCESSED TEAK WOOD EXPORT IN NIGERIA: HOW VIABLE? (http://web.archive.org/web/20130921140833/http://foramfera.com/index.php/investment-opportunities-in-nigeria/item/456-processed-teak-wood-export-in-nigeria-how-viable)

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How profitable is business cocoa trading

This guy is potting a plant at the onset of the video, and it says 15% no risk. I thought you of all pimps would enjoy the commodity irony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69lLW2JByH0

ribshaw

05-23-2015, 09:54 PM

For all morons like you ribshaw info from other business magazine from Nigeria . How profitable is business cocoa trading

DADY, I was hoping you could explain something to me from this article.

What happens in the real world to someone on the cocoa supply chain that sells forward in anticipation of delivery that never comes?

TIA, I know you love answering questions.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2eee8b2e-fe12-11e4-8efb-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz3b1LIA11Z

"Ghana pledges its crops ahead of the harvest in the form of “forward selling” to traders and cocoa merchants. But the surprise shortfall has meant that cocoa has not been delivered to the buyers expecting shipments since the start of the year.

“[Ghana] had oversold by 200,000 tonnes. That is a lot of cocoa,” says one leading international trader. “Nobody knows who will be getting the cocoa,” he adds. Analysts forecast that the crop could be the lowest since 2009.

EagleOne

05-23-2015, 11:51 PM

DADY, I was hoping you could explain something to me from this article.

What happens in the real world to someone on the cocoa supply chain that sells forward in anticipation of delivery that never comes?

TIA, I know you love answering questions.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2eee8b2e-fe12-11e4-8efb-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz3b1LIA11Z

"Ghana pledges its crops ahead of the harvest in the form of “forward selling” to traders and cocoa merchants. But the surprise shortfall has meant that cocoa has not been delivered to the buyers expecting shipments since the start of the year.

“[Ghana] had oversold by 200,000 tonnes. That is a lot of cocoa,” says one leading international trader. “Nobody knows who will be getting the cocoa,” he adds. Analysts forecast that the crop could be the lowest since 2009.

But, but, but...this cannot be a Ponzi because TEDY told us so.

TEDY

05-27-2015, 05:33 AM

ribshaw

05-27-2015, 08:07 AM

ribshaw and tell me what info you have from this articles now ? How does this relate to work local agent in Nigeria ??? As always no sense info from you. Where is Ghana and where is Nigeria ? In one of Nigeria have different climatic conditions
the other in the south and the other in the north and you're suggesting that we should look at the data from another country?

No cocoa like substance for brains I am asking you to answer a business question.

Your punishment for insolence one video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC9U_YTpBYM

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We specialize in helping people who have been victimized, defrauded, and scammed try to recover their losses. We would like to bring awareness that we are available and ready to help. Watch the video on our Home page to get an idea of what we do.

Notice the reload scammer posting a message on a video, these people will tell you they can get your money back for a fee. In this case after TEDY's cocoa project crashes and money is lost, someone maybe even TEDY himself will call and claim to be a super secret investigator that has located your money, just need a little cash to free up the funds first.

ribshaw

06-13-2015, 08:00 AM

ribshaw As always no sense info from you.

you're suggesting that we should look at the data from another country?

Yes, after this brief video break.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsWA1VaOr5k

Happening right now in the real world and a reason why 5% monthly returns are the stuff of Ponzi fantasy.

"It is unclear which part of the supply chain will bear the extra costs incurred, but rather than the costs being passed on to the Ghanaian cocoa authority, the ultimate seller, “the industry are going to bear it,” said one European cocoa trader.

If that is the case, it will be a blow for cocoa trading companies whose margins for buying and selling cocoa are wafer thin, said analysts." http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2858f4ce-1033-11e5-ad5a-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3cwesdsqd

:NO::pimp::NO:

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ribshaw

06-13-2015, 08:47 AM

For all morons like you ribshaw

How does this relate to work local agent in Nigeria

Where is Ghana and where is Nigeria ?

In one of Nigeria have different climatic conditions

As always no sense info from you.

Checking my globe, can you point me to the second Nigeria where all the good stuff is happening?

Despite ambitious plans to double production this year, Nigeria’s 2014/15 cocoa season has suffered from adverse weather, outbreak s of disease and the knock-on effects of currency depreciation.
Heavy rains in August and September drove a n outbreak of black pod disease which is believed to have caused a slump in production in December (the peak period) in the southwest region, which
accounts for two thirds of output. This has been exacerbated by the depreciating Naira, which has eaten into traders’ margins, reducing the incentive to source more beans for exports.
Finally, harsh Harmattan winds and the lack of rain in January/February are expected tohave a negative impact on the mid-crop (April -June). As a result, we expect that
output will be flat at 250,000 MT in 2014/15, ensuring Nigeria’s retains its position as Africa’s third largest cocoa producer.

http://www.ecobank.com/upload/2015030309195944089MuBJ5zzSFJ.pdf

A prolonged dry spell in Nigeria’s main cocoa-growing areas has caused a poor yield in the country’s midcrop, with most of the beans below the exportable weight, farmers and traders said.
Most such beans are not exportable as they are too flat and will surely disappear in grinding,”

Nigeria (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-14/nigeria-s-hot-dry-weather-causes-underweight-midcrop-cocoa)

Beacon

06-14-2015, 02:53 AM

Raw cashew nut prices hit all-time high by crossing Rs 100 per kg mark ~ Cashew market: Daily news updates (http://cashewnews.blogspot.com/2015/03/raw-cashew-nut-prices-hit-all-time-high.html)

Cashew prices = 100 rs = about 1.6 US cents or 1.4 Euro cent per Kilo. supermarket prices in europe are about 24 euro ( correction 12 euro) a Kilo so someone is making a markup. CORRECTION
Supermarket Own Brand Guide - Search Product Database (http://www.supermarketownbrandguide.co.uk/search.php?SearchString=&lidl=1)
LIDL is a discount supermarket but have £1.79 which is about 2,225 niara or $11.20 a kilo

But the country producing it or the farmers there are still getting about a dollar and a half a kilo.

1.5 Euro is about 335 Niara per kilo or 335,000 per ton of course Im quoting the prices for markets in India.

Recently the price jumped from 45 to 130 Niara a kilo
Price of Nigerian cashew nuts jumps up 188% in international market - Vanguard News (http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/02/price-of-nigerian-cashew-nuts-jumps-up-188-in-international-market/)

None of this changes ribshaws argument as top local prices and markups.
Of course someone on the futures market would have made a killing if they went long on Nigerian cashews. the only reason they might invest in actual farm production is if they actually care about the local farmer. If it is just about money they don't have to go near the place at all and just take an option on the future price. why would anyone invest in a local company just for profit if they can get 188% on the international market? that said many safe option investors would steer a mile clear of such a volatile commodity.

ribshaw

06-14-2015, 11:30 AM

Of course someone on the futures market would have made a killing if they went long on Nigerian cashews. the only reason they might invest in actual farm production is if they actually care about the local farmer. If it is just about money they don't have to go near the place at all and just take an option on the future price. why would anyone invest in a local company just for profit if they can get 188% on the international market?

I'm with you, there are so many holes and pitfalls in this cocoa trading story it's ludicrous.

There was a guy I always sort of liked as far as gurus go named Ken Roberts. For years he hucked a course known as "The Worlds Most Powerful Money Manual" based on commodity trading.

The eventual legislative action predictable, the disclosures that must be made on "paper trading" versus "real world" are akin to TEDY's tale of 5% monthly in the physical market.

https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/2003/05/tedwarrendo.pdf

Anecdotally I have read comments from futures brokers that have indicated they never had a client that consistently made money. Even worse than the odds of a coin toss would suggest. Since futures trading is a zero sum game less the costs to trade, for anyone that made a killing in cashews or cocoa there are a someone(s) who lost an equal amount. Conversely for everyone that recently took a bath in coffee, others profited a corresponding amount on the fall. The use of leverage magnifies things both ways. No need to swat flies on the farm when an air conditioned office pays the skilled trader.

Even if I took TEDY and CO. seriously, a big leap, there is no way of knowing if he is a skilled trader or just lucky. I have never seen a convincing method for accurately extrapolating past success in any market into future returns. Victor Niederhoffer The Blow-Up Artist - The New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/10/15/the-blow-up-artist) a classic example of how a bad day at the office and leverage can lay waste to years of outsized returns.

that said many safe option investors would steer a mile clear of such a volatile commodity.

This is my preferred approach. I would rather sell options to the speculators, but an occasional purchase where risk is capped no matter the outcome spices things up. Never though would I be mailing my money to anyone promising to do great things with it. Even the white glove firms find a way to defy the odds. How Investors Lose 89 Percent of Gains from Futures Funds - Bloomberg Business (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-10-07/how-investors-lose-89-percent-of-gains-from-futures-funds)