Pro Travel Plus at ProTravelPlus.com

[JustTooMuchTime]

According to the site, this is in prelaunch:

"IMPORTANT PRE-LAUNCH WARNING: ProTravelPLUS is currently in Pre-Launch.
Our official launch date is May 15, 2015. During Pre-Launch, there may be some
links, pages, and tools that are not yet fully functional. Please recognize this before
you make a decision to join. All member benefits will be available and commissions
will be going out on time each week during Pre-Launch."

From the PayPlan page here (http://www.protravelplus.com/payPlan).

"Introducing, for the first time EVER, a compensation plan that pays
EVERYONE…even if you never refer a single person!"

Explanation (so far) of products:

"On top of the most powerful system and compensation program in the industry,
ProTravelPLUS also gives you the BEST VALUE available ANYWHERE on ALL of your
travel needs. Whether it’s simply booking a hotel room for a few nights, or taking
a month long luxury vacation of a lifetime in Fiji, you won’t find lower prices or
more options than with ProTravelPLUS"

Specific products are listed at the Product Page here (http://www.protravelplus.com/products).

Memberships:


"Monthly Membership - $34.95 Per Month plus a one time $35.00 sign up fee
Secure your position in the fast growing Powerline above all the people below you!
Leap frog to the TOP of the powerline above everyone who waits!
Qualify to participate in our compensation plan and earn income infinite levels deep!
Receive Full Member access to save thousands of dollars and up to 85% on vacation
packages around the world!"


"6 Month Membership - $199.95 plus a one time $35.00 sign up fee
Secure your position in the fast growing Powerline above all the people below you!
Leap frog to the TOP of the powerline above everyone who waits!
Qualify to participate in our compensation plan and earn income
infinite levels deep! Receive Full Member access to save thousands of dollars
and up to 85% on vacation packages around the world!
Receive AUTOMATIC 2 Star Rank Qualification for a full 6 months to earn Higher Fast
Start Bonuses, 12 Levels of Matrix Commissions, and 3 Levels of Matching Bonuses!"


"Yearly Membership - $399.95
plus a one time $35.00 sign up fee
Secure your position in the fast growing Powerline above all the
people below you!
Leap frog to the TOP of the powerline above everyone who waits!
Qualify to participate in our compensation plan and earn income infinite levels deep!
Receive Full Member access to save thousands of dollars and up to 85% on vacation packages around the world!
Receive AUTOMATIC 3 Star Rank Qualification for an entire YEAR to MAXIMIZE the compensation plan with
Bigger Fast Start Bonuses, a Full 14 Levels of Matrix Commissions, and 5 Full Levels of Matching Bonuses!"

[JustTooMuchTime]

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg536/Paul_Schlegel/MLM%20Pyramids%20And%20Ponzis/Pro%20Travel%20Plus/ProTravelPlusWinnersandLosers_zpsbscfiq8q.jpg (http://s1242.photobucket.com/user/Paul_Schlegel/media/MLM%20Pyramids%20And%20Ponzis/Pro%20Travel%20Plus/ProTravelPlusWinnersandLosers_zpsbscfiq8q.jpg.html )

In other words, there will be winners...and there will be losers...

...and the losers will be those who are late to the "party".

[busttheblock]

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg536/Paul_Schlegel/MLM%20Pyramids%20And%20Ponzis/Pro%20Travel%20Plus/ProTravelPlusWinnersandLosers_zpsbscfiq8q.jpg (http://s1242.photobucket.com/user/Paul_Schlegel/media/MLM%20Pyramids%20And%20Ponzis/Pro%20Travel%20Plus/ProTravelPlusWinnersandLosers_zpsbscfiq8q.jpg.html )

In other words, there will be winners...and there will be losers...

...and the losers will be those who are late to the "party".



This scam is being run by Seth Fraser, a well known ponzi scammer!

[JustTooMuchTime]

Upgrade to get paid more. Where have I heard that before? Around the 11'50" mark:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS-s2odX77o

[JustTooMuchTime]

Real words that were spoken during the Pro Travel Plus First Ever Conference Call
(around the 27' 42" mark):


"When you come to PTP and you actually become a member with us, you're going to
find that you have access to some highly unusual services...things like entertainment,
food and drinks."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAvw8lWgZLw

[GlimDropper]

Just based on a few stray facebook postings I'm rather of the impression that Bret "MLM Ambassador " Matheny is a member of Pro Travel Plus. My problem with that? Bret is a ANMP board member so not only does he have no excuse for not recognizing a pyramid scheme when he see's one but he's on the board of an association that in part, purports to promote higher ethical standards in the industry. I should know better than to be surprised by something like this, not like I have any excuse for being so, but I'm starting to think Mr. Matheny deserves a fair and complete documentation of his activities with this and subsequent opportunities.

[path2prosperity]

I wonder who Johnathan White: ID 431548 could be.

Naive Newbie or serial scam promoter?

Pro Travel Plus (http://www.discoverptp.com/globalcorp)

[EagleOne]

I wonder who Johnathan White: ID 431548 could be.

Naive Newbie or serial scam promoter?

Pro Travel Plus (http://www.discoverptp.com/globalcorp)

Wasn't Johnathan White and his boyfriend (they are now married if my memory serves me right) one of the big players in GPP, MPP and WPP? All fake reverse pension plan scams.

[ProfHenryHiggins]

I wonder who Johnathan White: ID 431548 could be.

Naive Newbie or serial scam promoter?

Pro Travel Plus (http://www.discoverptp.com/globalcorp)

The latter.
https://twitter.com/johnkwhite30

[Char]

Just based on a few stray facebook postings I'm rather of the impression that Bret "MLM Ambassador " Matheny is a member of Pro Travel Plus. My problem with that? Bret is a ANMP board member so not only does he have no excuse for not recognizing a pyramid scheme when he see's one but he's on the board of an association that in part, purports to promote higher ethical standards in the industry.

I see it this way.

MLM = Pyramid scheme

How is it possible to improve on what is? Bit like asking, how do we improve selling illegal drugs, create a better way to murder, the most honest way to lie, and so on.

It is impossible to reform MLM or it wouldn't be MLM - it would be something else. Now people have an answer as to why Matheny is a member of PTP.

[GlimDropper]

I see it this way.

MLM = Pyramid scheme

How is it possible to improve on what is? Bit like asking, how do we improve selling illegal drugs, create a better way to murder, the most honest way to lie, and so on.

It is impossible to reform MLM or it wouldn't be MLM - it would be something else. Now people have an answer as to why Matheny is a member of PTP.


It would be a little hard for me to exaggerate how much I don't disagree with you Char but there is a distinction to be made. There is such a thing as a legal MLM company. I still wouldn't join one, recommend anyone else does or as a point of principle, buy a product from one but they can operate legally in the US. The problem with not acknowledging that is it almost guaranties that the people who need help the most (low level affiliates) wont listen to anything we say until after the clue by four smacks them in the head enough times.

I spend an amount of time trying to build bridges with some of the people in the industry. I never expect much (and my expectations are seldom exceeded) but a dialog is better than reciprocal recriminations. It's interesting, after you cultivate a level of trust and they know you know what off the record means they sometimes do share some warts and all perspectives about the industry. I wish I were clever, energetic or hell, even present enough to build on that. Enough of the long timers are well aware that the "three monkeys" approach to self regulation is ultimately self destructive and independently have reasonable ideas for much needed fixes but income security is almost non existent in MLM and rocking the boat can flatten the bottom line.

One of the worst things in MLM today is that the honest ones have more to worry about from the dishonest ones than the other way around and that is entirely their own (collective) fault. I'm not pretending to have any ability to change that but I am willing to find common cause with the people inside the industry who can be realistic about the problems.

[GlimDropper]

I sorta found this interesting:


Domain Name:PROTRAVELPLUS.INFO
Domain ID: D54365072-LRMS
Creation Date: 2015-01-12T22:40:51Z
Updated Date: 2015-01-12T22:42:09Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2016-01-12T22:40:51Z
Sponsoring Registrar:Network Solutions, LLC (R122-LRMS)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 2
WHOIS Server:
Referral URL:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Domain Status: serverTransferProhibited
Domain Status: addPeriod
Registrant ID:54215684-NSI
Registrant Name:DTR Company, Inc.
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 19060 SE Reach Island Ln
Registrant City:Jupiter
Registrant State/Province:FL
Registrant Postal Code:33458
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.5617482143
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.8177962974
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:benglinsky@yahoo.com
Admin ID:54215684-NSI
Admin Name:DTR Company, Inc.
Admin Organization:
Admin Street: 19060 SE Reach Island Ln
Admin City:Jupiter
Admin State/Province:FL
Admin Postal Code:33458
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.5617482143
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: +1.8177962974
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email:benglinsky@yahoo.com
Billing ID:54212114-NSI
Billing Name:Ben Glinsky
Billing Organization:DTR Company, Inc.
Billing Street: 16192 Coastal Hwy
Billing City:Lewes
Billing State/Province:DE
Billing Postal Code:19958
Billing Country:US
Billing Phone:+1.5617482143
Billing Phone Ext:
Billing Fax: +1.8177962974
Billing Fax Ext:
Billing Email:successmarketingdomains@gmail.com
Tech ID:54215684-NSI
Tech Name:DTR Company, Inc.
Tech Organization:
Tech Street: 19060 SE Reach Island Ln
Tech City:Jupiter
Tech State/Province:FL
Tech Postal Code:33458
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.5617482143
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax: +1.8177962974
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email:benglinsky@yahoo.com
Name Server:NS33.WORLDNIC.COM
Name Server:NS34.WORLDNIC.COM

I think the website I pulled that from was using outdated DNS info because more current sources agree that ProTravelPlus dot Info uses anonymous registration. OK, so Ben "Sitforp" Glinsky owns what I'm sure would be claimed to be nothing more than a pro Travel Plus affiliate site. Or:

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Mr. Glinsky's page is hosted on the same server with the official website (and sitforp dot com) which makes it sound like Pro Travel Plus is using Ben Glinsky's server. Hmm, wonder if the business relationship goes deeper than just web hosting. But how could it, ANMP member Bret "MLM Ambassador" Matheny is a consultant for Pro Travel Plus, surely a member of an association devoted to elevating the standards of the network marketing industry wouldn't be in bed (and cashing pay checks from) a man like Glinsky. Nah, couldn't be. Just couldn't.

[GlimDropper]

Well, leaving most of it's paid affiliates but not the world at large poorer, Seth Fraser's Pro Travel Plus is no more. (it isn't official yet but come on)

There just flat out is not enough profit margin in booking travel vs. the Travelocity's and Expedia's of the world to pay multi level commissions upon UNLESS almost all the money being paid out across all those levels come from the affiliates in the first place. Pro Travel Plus is far from the first and it wont be the last (HopRocket) to fall fate to these facts.

So divorced in fact was Pro Travel Plus (PtP) from selling travel that affiliates purchasing travel was the tipping point in this scheme's demise. The first week in October was the first (and last) massive PtP affiliate travel excursion and self slathering lovefest, a trip to Cabo San Lucas. Had they pulled it off it would have been a publicity coup which could be turned into a recruiting orgy. One small problem, they either did or did not use their own booking engine to line up hotel reservations for their members. I said "did or did not" because I'm honestly not sure which it was but neither answer helps them because PtP got totally scammed on the deal. Affiliates paid in June for reservations in October and Seth Fraser didn't find out till some time in September that they didn't have reservations in the prestigious hotel (or anywhere else) that he'd told everyone about. If they used their own back office booking engine and got ripped off, well what does that say about their back office booking engine? If they didn't use their own back office booking engine and got ripped off, well what does that say about their back office booking engine? Safest thing for Seth to say was nothing, as long as no one else spoke up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCwv2unxg94) (follow up to that link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5nVQhtHsI)).

It wound up looking like PtP ended paying out of pocket for lesser accommodations for some but not all of their affiliates but since the time between booking and non delivery of the expected reservations fell outside of some debit card charge back thresholds, some affiliates didn't get their hotel rooms and also didn't get refunds. That was the second week in October and Co Founder Charles Vest was not the only person to bail on the company at that point but at least Charles did it publicly.

Seth Fraser must have taken this hard, not only did PtP lose a TON of money on the Cabo trip but his bestest bud since they both jumped off on the sinking Kannaway ship together Charles Vest took a big chunk of his downline to PtP clone HopRocket, well what is a Legendary MLM Leader™ like Seth Fraser to do? He fricken disappears, that's what. I'm in the official corporate PtP facebook group and if I made one post tomorrow it'd be one more post than Seth has made since soon after the Cabo debacle.

The calls have been going on, trainings and the like all led by lesser lights in the industry. Perhaps they're up and commers, I don't really know about them (Joel Santiago, Joseph D.W. Otis). I do know there's an old hand behind the scenes (Ben Glinsky) and someone has their name on the merchant account the credit cards are being processed through. Pro Travel Plus had but one single innovation over Seth Fraser's previous short lived, recruitment dependent MLM schemes, it incentivized paying a full year in advance over month to month memberships which should have acted a little bit like a shock absorber against the bumps in the recruiting road but there is one drawback in that tactic. What if you paid for a full year and the bottom fell out (as it has) while you were still within the dispute resolution charge back period of the credit card you used to pay for your membership?

Well Joel Santiago and Joseph D.W.Otis are building up the sales pitch (https://www.freeconferencecallhd.com/playback2/?n=IhVQP%2FdSjWh) for a complete relaunch under an as of yet unannounced company name with a new pay plan and in fact totally new payments. If you had a downline in PtP and can swing them over to as of yet unnamed company, you can keep them. What is less clear is if you paid a year in advance two months ago in PtP if you'll need to pay again, I'm just kidding, of course you will. After all it's a whole new company and will almost certainly use separate merchant processing. But it will string people along with high hopes and no solid answers at least until after that charge back window closes.

In short, just another normal day in the seedy underbelly of an industry that refuses to police it's self.

[BenGlinsky]

PTP had no issues with finances or profit margins. Ptp issue was that the travel provider Lee Friedman lfriedman@resortsmi.com is a crook. He tricked Seth into signing a bogus contract that sayshe he's guaranteed 7500 per month even if no one uses the product. Lee's product was complete garbage and had little value. Lee is now telling people that he is the owner of ptp but he is just a scam artist. Rather than continue to allow Lee to get rich doing nothing PTP stopped paying for the worthless product and put up a replacement. PTP has no affiliation with any other travel or mlm company.

[ProfHenryHiggins]

Glinsky?!? Well, well, this does seem to be the month for old names to suddenly re-appear doesn't it.

[GlimDropper]

PTP had no issues with finances or profit margins. Ptp issue was that the travel provider Lee Friedman lfriedman@resortsmi.com is a crook. He tricked Seth into signing a bogus contract that sayshe he's guaranteed 7500 per month even if no one uses the product. Lee's product was complete garbage and had little value. Lee is now telling people that he is the owner of ptp but he is just a scam artist. Rather than continue to allow Lee to get rich doing nothing PTP stopped paying for the worthless product and put up a replacement. PTP has no affiliation with any other travel or mlm company.

Thanks for stopping by Ben. One question, when did you first realize your travel business didn't sell travel? Seems like the sort of problem a company outside the MLM industry would have recognized and solved before they called themselves a travel company. Just sayin.

A little more info on Lee Friedman and his seeming attempt to take over the "Pro Travel" brand, here's a video (https://youtu.be/fTcNyb7tucI?t=2m1s) from yet a third travel MLM showing an email Friedman sent out the other day. Ham handed is one way of putting it. Too bad for Lee that the two remaining PtP leaders he mentioned in his email were launching their own "travel mlm" that very day, talk about timing.

Man this is ugly. Ben Glinsky bankrolled Pro Travel Plus, Bret "MLM Ambassador" Matheny shared his wisdom with them and Seth "The Legal Thief (http://www.amazon.com/The-Legal-Thief-everything-FREE-ebook/dp/B004S835J8)" Fraser fronts the deal until he demonstrates his leadership skills by disappearing. At least Charles Vest told us where he went. Now Lee Friedman is relaunching one way, Joel Santiago and Joseph Otis are relaunching in another. And all of it, PtP, PtV and the new "Volishon" are nothing but affiliate funded recruiting orgies with no real money being made from selling travel. It's a good thing these little scams tend to burn themselves out quick (only to relaunch) because if they die on their own they only waste affiliates money, if they grew large enough to attract official attention it would be our tax dollars spent to close these pyramid schemes down.

Thanks again for stopping by Mr. Glinsky.