Is Avon Different From Herbalife?

[JustTooMuchTime]

Really interesting article.

2005: Avon goes MLM


"n 2005, as its sales were lagging, investor unrest was mounting, and while MLMs were booming, Avon "went MLM," at least partially. As part of a broad turn-around strategy, Avon announced a new "Sales Leadership" program, described as " a multi-level compensation program which gives Representatives the opportunity to obtain earnings from commissions based on sales made by Representatives they have recruited and trained, as well as from their own…"

2009: Avon's #1 product shifts from cosmetics to "the income opportunity"


"Attracting little scrutiny or even notice from Wall Street, Avon appeared to have officially shifted from reliance on retail market-driven revenue to sales-rep recruiting. Analysts apparently saw no contradiction in Avon's adding new salespeople and selling them inventory, even while the overall market for Avon products was shrinking. A 2009 article in USA Today , chronicled the new Avon strategy, ""Right now, our direct-selling opportunity is really the No. 1 product that we have to sell," says Geralyn Breig, president of Avon North America. With that in mind, Avon this year launched its most ambitious recruitment campaign and saw its U.S. sales force grow to more than 680,000 through March, its largest ever, Breig says."


"here is all they have available in the public record, and this is not readily found on the Avon website,

" The 2013 Earnings of a typical Avon Leadership Representative after one year, including commissions, bonuses and profit on personal sales are: 48% earn $0-$7,999, 11% earn $8,000-$9,999, 19.2% earn $10,000-$14,999, 16.5% earn $15,000-$29,999, 5.4% earn $30,000 and above."

Does this meet the standard of a representations based on a substantiated record? Note that it does not offer a median or a mean average, but only a wide range such as 0 to about $7,999. How many earned zero? Note also that it limits the data to those "after one year." What about all those who did not last a full year? At Herbalife, that group constituted 80% of the entire sales force, according to its 2005 10-K.


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[Realname]

Obviously that the money making oportunity scheme is the same in any mlm company : the few in the top earn very well from those who are in the large bottom of the pyramid.

The only difference now is the products and the companies revenues. Avon has 5 times more yearly revenues comparing to herbalife now. Maybe because many see Avon as the new generation of mlm that can give them better oportunities but the time will tell them that they are wrong and most of them will fail just like in any mlm business.

[scratchycat]

People never really make money with any mlm. They might save a few pennies if they actually use the products. If you have to buy a quota on a certain basis, you would have to work your behind off trying to peddle the stuff and then would barely cover the cost of what you just bought from them. MLM is a winner for top promoters only and even they eventually topple over. Just know the facts before you get into any kind of program that promises you your own business. Speaking from experience here.

[Realname]

People never really make money with any mlm. They might save a few pennies if they actually use the products. If you have to buy a quota on a certain basis, you would have to work your behind off trying to peddle the stuff and then would barely cover the cost of what you just bought from them. MLM is a winner for top promoters only and even they eventually topple over. Just know the facts before you get into any kind of program that promises you your own business. Speaking from experience here.

About 99% of people who join MLMs have failed experiences because they think its an easy & fast way to become rich.... Obviously that only 1% are genius and can become rich in MLM world. Is the non MLM world different?? Obviously not because you see that rich people represent only 1% or less in any society because in any society you need to compete with others to become richer and richer....

And I'm using products from MLMs everyday but only 10% of such products are from the MLM's I'm a distributor at this moment. For the others I'm just a single customer who buys from other distributors. Since I found all the benefits of MLMs I'm earnning more money and I'm feeling better health. All you have to do is using such products and share it to your friends and family! :)

[path2prosperity]

I tried mlm once in the 1950s when I was at boarding school. Teenage schoolgirls all wanted the product which was was a pair of nylon stockings but the only person who was sent nylon stockings by quite a lot of the girls' parents was the school "matron who coached us in mlm.

Mlm is a gambling racket and the person who ran the racket was the the only one who got any nylon stockings. NEVER AGAIN.

[Soapboxmom]

About 99% of people who join MLMs have failed experiences because they think its an easy & fast way to become rich.... Obviously that only 1% are genius and can become rich in MLM world. Is the non MLM world different?? Obviously not because you see that rich people represent only 1% or less in any society because in any society you need to compete with others to become richer and richer....

And I'm using products from MLMs everyday but only 10% of such products are from the MLM's I'm a distributor at this moment. For the others I'm just a single customer who buys from other distributors. Since I found all the benefits of MLMs I'm earnning more money and I'm feeling better health. All you have to do is using such products and share it to your friends and family! :)
The 99% failure rate is baked into the compensation plan. It is a mathematical certainty. Only those that have a huge pyramid beneath them can profit. And, how are overpriced overhyped sometimes unsafe products responsible for your alleged better health?

[ribshaw]

About 99% of people who join MLMs have failed experiences because they think its an easy & fast way to become rich.... Obviously that only 1% are genius and can become rich in MLM world. Is the non MLM world different??

MLM is akin to working in a company town and shopping at the company store, the financial result identical. The NON-MLM world has a much greater probability of success, even if everything else you say is true, there is no reason to go the MLM route. MLM is an income based scheme posing as an asset based business that produces residual income. With very very few exceptions, way less than 1%, in MLM build a self sustaining business that operates in the fashion which MLM is pitched. Without constant recruiting these models will almost always implode as there are very few true retail customers.

The more likely situation in that 1% is there are some high income earners, BUT, they have massive business expenses that come right off the top. Take any position like that and 1/2 or more can easily be eaten up with time and expense. Add in the "diamond" lifestyle and I would be shocked it most of this 1% aren't living check to check. To accomplish this takes everything the 99% below them has plus some credit cards.

I am not convinced that your 1% in MLM are all that well off considering the alternatives one could spend time building. Even Dexter Yeager isn't in the the Forbes 400, and he is an MLM legend.




Obviously not because you see that rich people represent only 1% or less in any society because in any society you need to compete with others to become richer and richer....

If it was easy everyone would be doing it, but there is no reason to make it harder than it otherwise would. MLM turns income building on its head, getting people to believe that spending will help them to accumulate wealth.

[Char]

About 99% of people who join MLMs have failed experiences because they think its an easy & fast way to become rich........

All you have to do is using such products and share it to your friends and family! :)

Anyone else see the contradiction?!!! A fine example of the double talk all MLMs teach sheeple to say.

[kath]

Anyone else see the contradiction?!!! A fine example of the double talk all MLMs teach sheeple to say.

excellent point char!

[Realname]

Anyone else see the contradiction?!!! A fine example of the double talk all MLMs teach sheeple to say.

There's no contradiction. It's not easy to convince others by using products and tell them the beneficts. The art of convincing is not for everyone!

[littleroundman]

All you have to do

Now you're just spouting bullshit.

"All you have to do" my arse

[Doc Bunkum]

Since I found all the benefits of MLMs I'm earnning more money and I'm feeling better health.

So, you don't think you'd be "feeling better health" if you picked up some generic vitamins from the local GNC store?

You're absolutely 100% positive it's those overpriced MLM vitamins, or whatever it is you're taking, that's doing the trick?

[Realname]

So, you don't think you'd be "feeling better health" if you picked up some generic vitamins from the local GNC store?

You're absolutely 100% positive it's those overpriced MLM vitamins, or whatever it is you're taking, that's doing the trick?

Its not vitamins. I use bio cosmetics which can guarante me that its 100% free GMOs ! Most of american cheap products from non quality MLM companies has such contamined products which are very harmful for people.

[okosh]

Its not vitamins. I use bio cosmetics which can guarante me that its 100% free GMOs ! Most of american cheap products from non quality MLM companies has such contamined products which are very harmful for people.

But not even close to being as harmful as the MLM program(scam) itself....

[Doc Bunkum]

Since I found all the benefits of MLMs I'm earnning more money and I'm feeling better health.


You're absolutely 100% positive it's those overpriced MLM vitamins, or whatever it is you're taking, that's doing the trick?



Its not vitamins. I use bio cosmetics which can guarante me that its 100% free GMOs ! Most of american cheap products from non quality MLM companies has such contamined products which are very harmful for people.

So it's the bio cosmetics then, not vitamins that are making you "feeling better health"?

You did read the instructions that came with the bio cosmetics, didn't you?

You're suppose to spread them on your skin - not ingest them.

[littleroundman]

You did read the instructions that came with the bio cosmetics, didn't you?

You're suppose to spread them on your skin - not ingest them.

suppository

[okosh]

You're suppose to spread them on your skin - not ingest them.

Don't confuse the boy with details...LMAO....

[Doc Bunkum]

Most of american cheap products from non quality MLM companies has such contamined products which are very harmful for people.

Oh, is that so?

Well, it so happens that we have a company here in the good ol' US of A out in Utah called Nu Skin that makes a line of products with a nano enhanced molecular delivery system that are a 100% better than that greasy bio cosmetic crap you're using.

[ribshaw]

Its not vitamins. I use bio cosmetics

After months of spending your money and pestering family & friends about Walnut Wallet Peels, Citrus Cash Colonics, SeaWeed Self-Esteem Scrubs, and Ode da Desperation, make sure to have enough credit left for a big tub of Friends and Family Relationship Smoothing Apology Cream. This will nicely compliment the Pamper Chef Crow Plucker for the inevitable diet of organic crow your broke ex-mlm ass will be snacking on.

[Realname]

But not even close to being as harmful as the MLM program(scam) itself....

Your health is much more important than money. Money its only important if you'll not die tomorrow. Health is the most important resource a human can have. No money can buy it.


So it's the bio cosmetics then, not vitamins that are making you "feeling better health"?

You did read the instructions that came with the bio cosmetics, didn't you?

You're suppose to spread them on your skin - not ingest them.

You should care about your skin as its your first protection against external agressive agents. A healthy skin makes your body feeling better health or not??

And i don't need to buy organic food because I'm a owner of an organic farm so I produce everything I need for my feed.


Oh, is that so?

Well, it so happens that we have a company here in the good ol' US of A out in Utah called Nu Skin that makes a line of products with a nano enhanced molecular delivery system that are a 100% better than that greasy bio cosmetic crap you're using.

Such line of products were never been tested neither proved that are better than organics. Obviously that US entities will always ignore bio products and tell lies to people about GMOs because US is the biggest productor of such BS products. Bio is the best and any neutral scientist can confirm it!


After months of spending your money and pestering family & friends about Walnut Wallet Peels, Citrus Cash Colonics, SeaWeed Self-Esteem Scrubs, and Ode da Desperation, make sure to have enough credit left for a big tub of Friends and Family Relationship Smoothing Apology Cream. This will nicely compliment the Pamper Chef Crow Plucker for the inevitable diet of organic crow your broke ex-mlm ass will be snacking on.

LOL I think people have a wrong idea about what a good MLM scheme can give to you and to your friends & family. you can chose a MLM company who offer you the best bio products at good prices for you and also an opportunity to make some money by introducing it to your friends & family so you'll save money get better health and make your friends and family more happy :RpS_smile:

[ribshaw]

You should care about your skin as its your first protection against external agressive agents.

The only "aggressive agents" that come to mind that the medical/science community agree on are the sun's rays. Sunscreen has demonstrated medical benefits.

Can you demonstrate any others have been medically/scientifically substantiated?




Bio is the best and any neutral scientist can confirm it!

Again this seems like MLM sales speak, is there proof?



LOL I think people have a wrong idea about what a good MLM scheme can give to you and to your friends & family. you can chose a MLM company who offer you the best bio products at good prices for you and also an opportunity to make some money by introducing it to your friends & family so you'll save money get better health and make your friends and family more happy

I would like to see you set up a thread for your MLM with a product catalog and income disclosures so these statements can be evaluated.

[Doc Bunkum]

LOL I think people have a wrong idea about what a good MLM scheme can give to you and to your friends & family.

I realize that we have somewhat of a language barrier here, Realname - at least that's my take from the way you write - and the way you denigrate in one broad stroke all the wonderful MLM companies we have on this side of the pond.

But that aside, I love your choice of words - "a good MLM scheme".

The general definition that comes to most folk's mind when you speak of a "scheme" is...

" a clever and often dishonest plan to do or get something"

Actually, I think most people here have a pretty good idea what a good MLM scheme can give to your family and friends!

[scratchycat]

There's no contradiction. It's not easy to convince others by using products and tell them the beneficts. The art of convincing is not for everyone!

"Art of Convincing" is that the super sales courses taught to lawyers and car sales people? You are correct in the fact that not all of us are sales people. I used to sell cosmetics and did quite well at it until the company went out of business. I have never felt as though I was a good sales person but it was a good product and by seeing results, I was able to have others buy from me. Things have changed greatly since those days and getting rich from MLM is a dream.

[Realname]

The only "aggressive agents" that come to mind that the medical/science community agree on are the sun's rays. Sunscreen has demonstrated medical benefits.

Can you demonstrate any others have been medically/scientifically substantiated?




Again this seems like MLM sales speak, is there proof?



I would like to see you set up a thread for your MLM with a product catalog and income disclosures so these statements can be evaluated.

All pollutants are very harmful for your skin and any good doctor can tell you that! And in this case you don't need to find any scientific proofs! You only need to study some basics of biochemistry to find out that!

The best proofs you have is that people who use bio feel better than others. There is no better proof than people's feedback about the use of such products!! :RpS_wink:


"Art of Convincing" is that the super sales courses taught to lawyers and car sales people? You are correct in the fact that not all of us are sales people. I used to sell cosmetics and did quite well at it until the company went out of business. I have never felt as though I was a good sales person but it was a good product and by seeing results, I was able to have others buy from me. Things have changed greatly since those days and getting rich from MLM is a dream.

Art is something that born with you and you can improve it with hard working. Not all people know the art of selling so that's why mlm is not suitable for those type of persons. Getting rich is a dream in any business! Not only MLM!!

[ribshaw]

All pollutants are very harmful for your skin and any good doctor can tell you that!



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And in this case you don't need to find any scientific proofs! You only need to study some basics of biochemistry to find out that!

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The best proofs you have is that people who use bio feel better than others. There is no better proof than people's feedback about the use of such products!! :RpS_wink:

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Its like trying to have a discussion with a Hallmark Greeting card, do you toot a noisemaker and toss confetti while typing such nonsense?

[Doc Bunkum]

Its like trying to have a discussion with a Hallmark Greeting card, do you toot a noisemaker and toss confetti while typing such nonsense?

No fooling.

You noticed that too, I see, ribshaw.

She types words. The words make sentences. But the sentences make no sense.

Pure gibberish.

People like Realname, Chris Doyle, Heiney, are the raison d'être of MLM companies.

If it wasn't for folks like them that blindly follow along without taking the time to think for themselves and in turn swallow whatever bullshit the MLM company is slinging without questioning it, MLM would have died out long ago.

[kath]

No fooling.

You noticed that too, I see, ribshaw.

She types words. The words make sentences. But the sentences make no sense.

Pure gibberish.

People like Realname, Chris Doyle, Heiney, are the raison d'être of MLM companies.

If it wasn't for folks like them that blindly follow along without taking the time to think for themselves and in turn swallow whatever bullshit the MLM company is slinging without questioning it, MLM would have died out long ago.
i so agree and unfortunately they impact all of us!

[Realname]

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Its like trying to have a discussion with a Hallmark Greeting card, do you toot a noisemaker and toss confetti while typing such nonsense?

Well for all mlm losers like you its always "nonsense" what experienced and successfully mlmers tell you about their products and sales reports. You prefer to beleive in biased entities and give profit for their leaders who don't do anything and have luxurious salaries paid by all of you. People like you think that mlm is bad because they can't climb to the top of the scheme because they don't know how to recruit a lot and increase their sales.... :loser:

[Soapboxmom]

Well for all mlm losers like you its always "nonsense" what experienced and successfully mlmers tell you about their products and sales reports. You prefer to beleive in biased entities and give profit for their leaders who don't do anything and have luxurious salaries paid by all of you. People like you think that mlm is bad because they can't climb to the top of the scheme because they don't know how to recruit a lot and increase their sales.... :loser:

MLM scammer tells honest citizen that works to protect consumers that MLM is a "scheme" and that he "don't know how to recruit." Priceless!!!!:RpS_scared::RpS_rolleyes::RpS_flappe r:

[ribshaw]

Well for all mlm losers like you its always "nonsense" what experienced and successfully mlmers tell you about their products and sales reports. You prefer to beleive in biased entities and give profit for their leaders who don't do anything and have luxurious salaries paid by all of you.

Few quick points of clarification.

1. I have never been in MLM.
2. I don't work for anyone else.
3. When 99% of people consistently fail at something, on a fundamental level I have a hard time calling that an "opportunity".




People like you think that mlm is bad because they can't climb to the top of the scheme because they don't know how to recruit a lot and increase their sales.... :loser:

Like anyone who earns more than a $1 per year I make more than 99% of those climbing the pyramid in MLM, it is bad because NWM math does not work. Your juxtaposition of rah rah rah, with everyone outside of MLM is a loser all in one thread is further proof to the opportunity seeker that MLM is all smoke and mirrors.

For all the routine crap you guys spew, maybe you could put your energy into something like this???



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQp29T5r-Hg