onecoin.eu ponzi scam

[busttheblock]

Here we go with another ponzi scam with cryptocurrency "training". A bogus product to disguise the ponzi scam!

Here is the pimping post on MMG forum posted by Rune Fjortoft;

I am not the admin.
A powerful Opportunity
OneCoin provides a once in a lifetime opportunity, revolutionizing the business world of todays digital economy. The OneCoin concept is born out of the success of the pioneering cryptocurrency, Bitcoin. It all started back in 2009 when a new digital currency was introduced to the internet and financial world. Only in 2013 this currency has seen a 75 times increase in its starting price. It started at a price of only 0.10 USD per coin and has been traded for over 1.100 USD per coin. Through its success Bitcoin popularized cryptocurrency paved the way for more innovative and better concept. The opportunity has now opened for you to be part of the next big winner in digital currency, OneCoin. OneCoin has the ambition to become the next big cryptocurrency as it uses the latest technology, provides long term value to its investors and has a well thought through concept. This opportunity is only available through a strict by invitation basis, providing you the knowledge you need to
succeed in the world of crypto-currency.
By joining the One concept, you not only get the best online training on how to profit from crypto-currency, but moreover you position yourself in an unlimited revenue generating program, providing you with all the tools you need to succeed. Our training and marketing tools combined with a solid and strong educational product, enhanced by an outstanding payment plan, is why today’s entrepreneurs are joining the One Concept. We are committed to make you successful – and will provide all the support you need to grow your team and business.
Take a position at this brand new program
OneCoin (http://www.onecoin.eu/signup/mlmpronewsIamaponzipimp) (OneCoin (http://www.onecoin.eu/signup/mlmpronewsIamaponzipimp))
My uplines are super big mlmers
serious stuff
Have a great day Rune F

[Wong Lee]

WRONG!!! THIS IS THE REPLACEMENT for BIGCOIN HK, and Prosper,

Here is the truth about OneCoin (http://www.onecoin.eu)

Mr. John NG, Dr. Ruja Ignatova, President Nigel Allan, Chief Operating Officer of OneCoin LtdMr. Sebastian green Wood, Mr. Bjorn Tomas, Nigel have done it again but this time they are Targeting is European citizens , OneCoin (http://www.onecoin.eu)
About Sebastian Greenwood OneCoin (http://www.onecoin.eu) , One Coin presentation. Better than Bitcoin? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZcUzRBVagI) , OneCoin Webinar 2/9/2014 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD_SrM_GQRk),
July 27, 2014 · by Sebastian Greenwood · in Sebastian Greenwood
Born in 1976, on the 26th of December, Sebastian Greenwood developed into a strong leader when it comes to business implementations, having occupied two manager-type positions, as well as two CEO ones in the time-span of only ten years.

Board Message (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Coin-Onecoineu-t476729.html&st=15)

[EagleOne]

WRONG!!! THIS IS THE REPLACEMENT for BIGCOIN HK, and Prosper,

Here is the truth about OneCoin (http://www.onecoin.eu)

Mr. John NG, Dr. Ruja Ignatova, President Nigel Allan, Chief Operating Officer of OneCoin LtdMr. Sebastian green Wood, Mr. Bjorn Tomas, Nigel have done it again but this time they are Targeting is European citizens , OneCoin (http://www.onecoin.eu)
About Sebastian Greenwood OneCoin (http://www.onecoin.eu) , One Coin presentation. Better than Bitcoin? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZcUzRBVagI) , OneCoin Webinar 2/9/2014 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD_SrM_GQRk),
July 27, 2014 · by Sebastian Greenwood · in Sebastian Greenwood
Born in 1976, on the 26th of December, Sebastian Greenwood developed into a strong leader when it comes to business implementations, having occupied two manager-type positions, as well as two CEO ones in the time-span of only ten years.

Board Message (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Coin-Onecoineu-t476729.html&st=15)

Welcome to RS. So you want us to believe that the link to the company website is the truth and provides "proof" that this is a real and legal program? Seriously?

Just a few questions for you. Why aren't the founders listed on the website? Not one word about any of them and their bio's. So how do we know what you have posted about their identities and credentials are in fact true? All we have is your word this information is true. You see the link you provided for John Ng, Dr. Ruja Ignatova, and Sebastian Greenwood is nothing more than a link to the company website and not one word is provided about these people as previously mentioned.

But for targeting Europeans, at least they chose the right word because targeting them is what they are doing, or any other geographical region for that matter. But your information provides the "truth" about onecoin falls way short of even coming close to proving anything.

[Whip]

blah blah blah *obligatory ponzi board link*

wacky scammer

[smeag11]

Welcome to RS. So you want us to believe that the link to the company website is the truth and provides "proof" that this is a real and legal program? Seriously?

Just a few questions for you. Why aren't the founders listed on the website? Not one word about any of them and their bio's. So how do we know what you have posted about their identities and credentials are in fact true? All we have is your word this information is true. You see the link you provided for John Ng, Dr. Ruja Ignatova, and Sebastian Greenwood is nothing more than a link to the company website and not one word is provided about these people as previously mentioned.

But for targeting Europeans, at least they chose the right word because targeting them is what they are doing, or any other geographical region for that matter. But your information provides the "truth" about onecoin falls way short of even coming close to proving anything.

I think Wong Lee is saying that OneCoin is a scam.

[NikSam]

I think Wong Lee is saying that OneCoin is a scam.

Yeap, guys try to understand what a person who does not have good english skills is trying to say, before attacking him.

[busttheblock]

OMG, here is the latest hype from one of the worst PIMPS on the net! Rune Fjortoft

"YOU BETTER HURRY NOW.
The split barometer at OneCoin is now at 98% !!!
When it reaches 100% your investment is doubled.
This is the easiest way to double your money there is !
And the doubling will happen now.
Then your doubled investment will continue to multiply in value.
Don't miss out now.
You can become stinking rich very very fast.

Sign up and upgrade/get your package right now !
OneCoin (http://www.onecoin.eu/signup/mlmpronews)ISASCAMMER

To Your Financial Success in 2015
Rune F"

[EthanVanderbuilt]

I would agree that OneCoin is a scam. I had the chance to look into this company and it is a pyramid scheme disguised as a digital currency. The president of this company was kicked out of the company at the start of this year. I had a chance to review some of his comments about the company on Facebook and he viewed it as a giant fraud.

[ribshaw]

Some good reviews over at Oz's place, including the paid Forbes cover they trying to pass off as real press.

OneCoin Review: 100-5000 EUR Ponzi point "cryptocurrency" (http://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/onecoin-review-100-5000-eur-ponzi-point-cryptocurrency/)

Ruja Ignatova's OneCoin Forbes cover a paid advertisement? (http://behindmlm.com/companies/ruja-ignatovas-onecoin-forbes-cover-a-paid-advertisement/)


https://www.facebook.com/OneCoin1/posts/634903056643806

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[ribshaw]

http://www.realscam.com/f9/lets-have-some-ufun-3836/index12.html#post87075


Ribshaw, this is the auditing firm, apparently. I won't post any more so as not to disrupt this thread on UFUN.

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Thanks Della I checked client list and Zerocoins isn't on it, which I find shocking! Semper Fortis Online (http://semperfortis.bg/en/Clients)

I emailed Semper Fortis and suggested they have their legal department look into the Ponzi scam claiming to be a client. Those less cynical about Zerocoin's claim might contact SF and request copies of any work. Certainly with nothing to hide and all legal requirements met this is available to potential investors.




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Pretending ZCers that an audit was done, important to know what type was completed and for whom.

https://www.cmu.edu/finance/audit-services/internal/types-of-audits.html

Most audits are not done to detect fraud and those that are generally detect internal fraud. Seldom if ever would a third party auditor be engaged to prove to the public that something wasn't a scam. Although in the case of Bernie Madoff the auditor was complicit in the scheme so there's always that.

Without even looking my guess is this charade is funded via a payment processor in some island nation. If the auditor was attesting to actual funds held at major financial institutions and the veracity of ZCrs back office balances that would shocking surprise. End of day I suspect no auditor and little difference than tossing money down a rat hole.

It does warm the cockles of my heart to see Jon asking for something beyond payment proofs and fakeo Forbes covers. That guy asks the best questions.

[Della Cate]

Our old friend, Joby Boughey (pushing UFUN/UTOKEN until, cough, recent unfortunate events in Thailand) has jumped onto Onecoin in a big way. On 6th June, he is holding a special event to rope in the suckers.....I beg your pardon, so sorry; to promote it.

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Some people are, however, asking about UFUN/UTOKEN, but Joby has an answer for them....

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[littleroundman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7041/nfy711.jpg

Boughey is just playing by the rules of HYIP ponzi players:

never, ever, ever, ever admit in public the ponzi is dead or dying EVER

[Della Cate]

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7041/nfy711.jpg

Boughey is just playing by the rules of HYIP ponzi players:

never, ever, ever, ever admit in public the ponzi is dead or dying EVER

He's still defending it while trying to distance himself. He posted another thing about Onecoin, and someone asked (not unreasonably) what had happened to UFUN/UTOKEN. Here is the exchange:-

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[Della Cate]

Well, here's Joby again, explaining all about Onecoin. And the Forbes cover.....

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I wonder if the lovely Claire Hartman James will join in with this one? She followed Joby into UFUn after all; although she has since purged her FB page of all reference to it.

[Della Cate]

Oooh, look, an advertising hoarding, it must be real!

(!)

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Taken from this FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/385693181623850/?fref=ts
The One Coin Prospects Group

Oh, and why if it is a European group (is it? there seems to be a US branch as well) do people have to send money to a bank account in Dubai?? This account, in fact:-

Then send off your Euro upgrade to the following bank account
Account
Name: One Coin Ltd
IBAN: AE550330000019100084477 (EUR)
BIC: BOMLAEAD
Bank: Mashreq Bank

Bank Address:
Mashreq Bank
PO Box 1250
Dubai, UAE

Company Address: One Coin Ltd
Reef Tower 801
GLT
Dubai, UAE

Important: After you send your wire, make sure the bank gives you a wire confirmation receipt document.

[ribshaw]

I like the part where Joby says he is at "work at min", always nice to have a boss that gives you to time promote Ponzi schemes on the company dime.

[Whip]

Oooh, look, an advertising hoarding, it must be real!

(!)

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Taken from this FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/385693181623850/?fref=ts
The One Coin Prospects Group

Oh, and why if it is a European group (is it? there seems to be a US branch as well) do people have to send money to a bank account in Dubai?? This account, in fact:-

Then send off your Euro upgrade to the following bank account
Account
Name: One Coin Ltd
IBAN: AE550330000019100084477 (EUR)
BIC: BOMLAEAD
Bank: Mashreq Bank

Bank Address:
Mashreq Bank
PO Box 1250
Dubai, UAE

Company Address: One Coin Ltd
Reef Tower 801
GLT
Dubai, UAE

Important: After you send your wire, make sure the bank gives you a wire confirmation receipt document.

lol. what a poor photoshop. and posted by troy barnes alleged ex-fiance girlfriend whatever

[Whip]

I like the part where Joby says he is at "work at min", always nice to have a boss that gives you to time promote Ponzi schemes on the company dime.

inorite? how can he be at a job? he's a successful scammer entrepreneur. allegedly. jobs are for suckers and people that actually want to make money.

[Della Cate]

inorite? how can he be at a job? he's a successful scammer entrepreneur. allegedly. jobs are for suckers and people that actually want to make money.

I can answer that. Joby used to work on building sites (I don't know what his trade was) but anyway, he has given it all up....

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The video is hilarious, by the way. Love the part where he takes off his boots and throws them away because he's "never going to be on a building site again".

Think you might have been a bit rash there, Joby, darling.

[littleroundman]

Joby Boughey,

Dubli

My Advertising Pays

UFun

OneCoin / Aurum Gold

End of useful time as ponzi pimp = approaching rapidly

[shipdit]

lol. what a poor photoshop. and posted by troy barnes alleged ex-fiance girlfriend whatever

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[Della Cate]

Here's a nice little video with the report from the auditor. You might want to run to about 4 mins in, because the first bit is all prattle about who they are. But as it is only 10 mins long, it won't take up too much time. I'm rather hampered because I do not know what a "blockchain" is or why it is important.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOSStXW9YbY

The lady in the gold dress is presumably Dr Ruja, the founder?

[ribshaw]

I'm rather hampered because I do not know what a "blockchain" is or why it is important.

Just checked my email and have not heard back from the auditor despite assurances in the video. Although I must confess I am surprised they really engaged an auditor even if for such trivial nonsense.

The "blockchain" in its simplest form is a list of transactions, in the case of this video 15,000 buys and sells. So I have a ZC and trade you for an apple. You take my ZC and buy a banana from LRM. LRM takes his ZC and buys a pear from Whip. An audit of the blockchain would confirm that happened.

I could go down to the elementary school and trade worthless baseball cards for kid's lunch money. The kids could trade the worthless cards between themselves to their heart's content, in the meantime I have real money. Sending an auditor to track the transactions of the children would be identical to what Dr. Ruja has done, and about as useful.

[ribshaw]

Some random musing.

I find it hard to fathom that OC ever rates as a cryptocurrency, much less gains acceptance by big businesses that call the tune in world currency markets. A few hippies trading dream catchers will not negate the reasons the world has organized exchanges. Concerns such as minimal counterparty risk trump MLM, OC sets markets back 100 years.

Panic of 1907 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1907)


We are no longer trading tulip blubs, cabbage patch kids, or beanie babies. The Onecoin market ends the same, and will be lucky if it even rates a footnote in history.

10 Most Bizarre Economic Bubbles in History (http://www.businesspundit.com/10-most-bizarre-economic-bubbles-in-history/)



Keep your work boots...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=989829.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=926241.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878946.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=770740.0

[littleroundman]

https://vimeo.com/129542767

Д-р Ружа Игнатова празнува със световни бизнесмени Teaser

Dr. Ruja Ignatova celebrates with global business Teaser

[Whip]

so is that another fake 'news organization' like fake mag covers that in reality are paid for ads?

[littleroundman]

so is that another fake 'news organization' like fake mag covers that in reality are paid for ads?

Of course,

did you expect anything other than fake from Dr Ruja ???

[ribshaw]

Allegations of a faked resume by ‘Dr. Ruja Ignatova’...

One Coin, Much Scam: OneCoin Exposed as Global MLM Ponzi Scheme (http://cointelegraph.com/news/114399/one-coin-much-scam-onecoin-exposed-as-global-mlm-ponzi-scheme)

Then there's this doozy...

Also working for OneCoin in various capacities are Sebastian Greenwood and Nigel Allan, both of whom have been involved in scam operations in the past.

Greenwood previously worked with defunct pyramid scheme Unaico, whose activities were the subject of a warning from Pakistan’s Securities and Exchanges Commission. The notice cited “illegal multi-level marketing” practices and advised consumers “to refrain from investing/ dealing in these so-called lucrative business schemes, launched by the Company.”

Allan, the ex-president of OneCoin, has meanwhile previously been implicated in similar pyramid schemes to OneCoin, namely Crypto888 and Brilliant Carbon.:shocked::shocked::shocked:



For the visually inclined, a second construction site video of how onecoin ends.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Nl54Rby_4

[laidback]

so is that another fake 'news organization' like fake mag covers that in reality are paid for ads?

Yeah, kinda like fake information programs aka infomercials...! (Ladies and gentlemen, we interrupt this advertisement for a brief program...!)

[Della Cate]

Joby is pushing Onecoin hard in this badly written piece, (and claims on his FB page that the Universe is rewarding him - well done the Universe!)

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However, his planned event isn't doing too well. Look how many people were invited.....and how many are actually going....

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[Whip]

well, just the fact there are allegedly 50,000 members but only 229 invited shows what a liar he is. why wouldn't all members at least be invited? Plus he's still pushing the 'Forbes cover' lie that's been exposed across the web.

[Della Cate]

Allegations of a faked resume by ‘Dr. Ruja Ignatova’...

One Coin, Much Scam: OneCoin Exposed as Global MLM Ponzi Scheme (http://cointelegraph.com/news/114399/one-coin-much-scam-onecoin-exposed-as-global-mlm-ponzi-scheme)



Thanks for this Ribshaw. I have read the article, and enjoyed all the comments on it in particular. I note that the same old stuff came up in response: that the author if the article is allegedly into Bitcoins and therefore not to be trusted, that he is only trying to drive traffic to his own blog, that they've been audited and given a glowing report, well, we all know the rest.

I know nothing about crypto currencies, they are too complicated for me, but something about this whole Onecoin thing just doesn't seem right to me. And I'm not into Bitcoin and don't have a blog that I want to promote either.

As for "Dr Ruja", is she a medical doctor or an academic doctor? Presumably the latter. I thought you had to have done a PhD to call yourself "Doctor"? If that is the case, can we know where she did her PhD, and what was the subject and title of her thesis? Who was her supervising professor?

If she is an Oxford graduate, at which college did she study? When was she there, did she live in the college or live out? Any chance of seeing her graduation photograph?

These are fairly basic questions which should be easy to answer, I would have thought. I'm sure she would welcome the chance to put any doubts people may have to rest.

CORRECTION: The Magister Juris at Oxford is in fact a postgraduate course. She cannot have graduated from it as a first degree. So can we know where and when she did her first degree and in what subject, please?

[wayne1983]

Why oh why is it same people, in the same old crappy schemes?. Dont they ever learn, its just moving from one scam to the next. Funny how this is now going to be the next big thing, a few months ago it were utokens!:duh:

[Della Cate]

Why oh why is it same people, in the same old crappy schemes?. Dont they ever learn, its just moving from one scam to the next. Funny how this is now going to be the next big thing, a few months ago it were utokens!:duh:

Yes, Wayne, it mystifies me as well. I'm fairly new to the RS forum, joined because of Banners Broker about 3 years ago, but I am still learning. I don't know how the experienced people here can stand it, how they don't feel like just giving up and going away. Because it is one thing after another, they never stop; and I know that when one thing falls over, another dozen will be along to take its place.

Depressing.

[Whip]

Yes, Wayne, it mystifies me as well. I'm fairly new to the RS forum, joined because of Banners Broker about 3 years ago, but I am still learning. I don't know how the experienced people here can stand it, how they don't feel like just giving up and going away. Because it is one thing after another, they never stop; and I know that when one thing falls over, another dozen will be along to take its place.

Depressing.

part of the allure is the scammers do half our work for us by joining. then we know for sure it's a scam.

[ribshaw]

I know nothing about crypto currencies, they are too complicated for me, but something about this whole Onecoin thing just doesn't seem right to me. And I'm not into Bitcoin and don't have a blog that I want to promote either.


I am with you, too much hassle. Have a bank account, have a credit card, have cash, all seem to be working fine. Admittedly I am a late adopter for most things, but problems like theft that occur with Bitcoin have already been addressed in our conventional banking system. Being hacked, or having a credit card stolen is more a foregone conclusion than a what if. Rather just call the bank and get on with my life. Plus who is smart enough to pick an eventual winner out of this mess, Joby?

" There were more than 530 cryptocurrencies available for trade in online markets as of 5 January 2015 and more than 740 in total[1] but only 10 of them had market capitalizations over $10 million.[2]"

According to List of cryptocurrencies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cryptocurrencies)




As for "Dr Ruja", is she a medical doctor or an academic doctor? Presumably the latter. I thought you had to have done a PhD to call yourself "Doctor"? If that is the case, can we know where she did her PhD, and what was the subject and title of her thesis? Who was her supervising professor?

If she is an Oxford graduate, at which college did she study? When was she there, did she live in the college or live out? Any chance of seeing her graduation photograph?

These are fairly basic questions which should be easy to answer, I would have thought. I'm sure she would welcome the chance to put any doubts people may have to rest.

CORRECTION: The Magister Juris at Oxford is in fact a postgraduate course. She cannot have graduated from it as a first degree. So can we know where and when she did her first degree and in what subject, please?

Your questions reminds me of Danny Pang's Trail of Clues - WSJ (http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704204304574545803280777032). Despite his history and an easy to disprove story, people lavished him with cash. Not that a faked resume hasn't happened a hundred times, people never seem to check. That Dr Ruja's 2 and 3 were allegedly involved in previous scams also potent red flags. Meh, I'm sure this all turns up aces.

Just toss the work boots in a pile, and on to scam number five. What could possibly go wrong?

[Della Cate]

Joby Has Taken To Writing Like This. Perhaps He Thinks It Makes Him Sound More Important, But In Fact It Is Very Irritating. Plus The Main Problem Is That What he Writes Is Rubbish.

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At least he hasn't mentioned the Illuminati yet. But give it time, give it time.....

[Whip]

I will say the website extension is appropriate. Especially when you say it like: euuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[Whip]

Joby Has Taken To Writing Like This. Perhaps He Thinks It Makes Him Sound More Important, But In Fact It Is Very Irritating. Plus The Main Problem Is That What he Writes Is Rubbish.

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At least he hasn't mentioned the Illuminati yet. But give it time, give it time.....
his very first sentence contradicts himself. that's precisely what these 'calls' are.

[littleroundman]

Every now and then a scam comes along which is so outrageously over the top one has to question the sanity and common sense abilities of those who participate in it.

OneCoin is one of them.

Check out this nonsense:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cqffdAM0_JY
http://imageshack.com/a/img633/5126/GuOzMV.jpg

[laidback]

Every now and then a scam comes along which is so outrageously over the top one has to question the sanity and common sense abilities of those who participate in it.

OneCoin is one of them.

Check out this nonsense:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cqffdAM0_JY
http://imageshack.com/a/img633/5126/GuOzMV.jpg
What about the other 344,780? Just askin'!

[littleroundman]

The Central Bank of Hungary yesterday issued a press release (http://english.mnb.hu/Root/MNB/Sajtoszoba/mnbhu_pressreleases/mnbhu_pressreleases_2015/mnbhu_sajtokozlemeny_20150610) warning of the dangers of dealing in digital currencies including OneCoin

(Screengrab of Google Chrome translated press release)

http://imageshack.com/a/img537/2901/75ngSS.jpg

[Della Cate]

Can I just point out to Joby that if you double nothing, you still have nothing.....

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And also....if you double 1,380, you get 2,760.....is this some new form of maths that Onecoin is doing here?

[ribshaw]

Hucksters love the split, reminds me of the internet bubble of 99.

In a recent book, ''Wall Street Money Machine,'' Mr. Cook -- a former cab driver whose proverbs include ''God wants us to prosper'' -- has an entire chapter devoted to buying options on stock splits. He also has an Internet site that, among other things, markets his IQ Pager. And a growing number of investors are taking his advice. New Frenzy - A Split, a Beep and an Option - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/10/business/new-frenzy-a-split-a-beep-and-an-option.html)

Wade Cook gets 88 months in prison - seattlepi.com (http://www.seattlepi.com/business/article/Wade-Cook-gets-88-months-in-prison-1245540.php)

Better to follow the lead of a wise Yogi than any of these gurus...

"You better cut the pizza in four pieces because I'm not hungry enough to eat six."

Yogi Berra

Read more at You better cut the pizza in four pieces because I'm not hungry enough to eat six. - Yogi Berra at BrainyQuote (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/y/yogiberra141844.html#C5pUyRmfzTRGEHdd.99)

[Della Cate]

According to Behind MLM, Onecoin is now under investigation in Finland:-

OneCoin under police investigation in Finland (http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin-under-police-investigation-in-finland/#more-23752)

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[Della Cate]

Our new friend, Tania Parsons (once so ardently behind UFUN.....and Dubli....and others no doubt) has thrown her weight behind Onecoin.

Watch out USA, Onecoin is coming to you on 4th July. Lucky old you!

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Glad to see the old Forbes cover is still doing the rounds, even though it has been debunked as an advertising feature for which Onecoin paid. Still, it might convince a few people to join and that's where the wheels hit the road after all, isn't it?

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[ribshaw]

Glad to see the old Forbes cover is still doing the rounds, even though it has been debunked as an advertising feature for which Onecoin paid. Still, it might convince a few people to join and that's where the wheels hit the road after all, isn't it?

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You would think people would at least have presence of mind to ask to see a copy of the article, and dare I say even read it before they reach for their wallet.

[Della Cate]

Here's "Dr" Ruja Ignatova's FB page: https://www.facebook.com/ruja.ignatova

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To save you wasting your time looking at it, it's all pictures of her pouting and wearing big frocks.

Interestingly, she joined this FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2211138452/?pnref=lhc

It's a group for people, and I quote, "For those who have studied in Oxford, England under SCIO or some other program, and have fallen in love with all that is Oxford."

A SCIO programme is "Scolarship and Christianity in Oxford". It gives you tutorials, access to University facilities, and the right to attend lectures - a sort of visiting student really. Cost about $18,000.

Now, why would "Dr" Ignatova who claims to have completed a Masters level degree in Law at Oxford be interested in a little group like this, I wonder? Surely it would be waaaayyyy beneahth her exalted level?

[EthanVanderbuilt]

On July 4th, 2015 the OneCoin scam will roll out here in the USA. Let's give them a nice warm welcome, please take action and report these scammers to the SEC. https://denebleo.sec.gov/TCRExternal/questionaire.xhtml

[littleroundman]

Ahead of the proposed July 4 OneCoin launch, it is being promoted in the USA by Glenn Smith, which should make it easy for the SEC when they go looking.

http://imageshack.com/a/img913/8034/EMT9D3.jpg

Glenn Smith promoting OneCoin on the onecoin-usa.com (http://www.onecoin-usa.com/r/fullthrottle/register.html) website

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/3965/dXTLLh.jpg

Glenn Smiths' glenn.smith.56884 (https://www.facebook.com/glenn.smith.56884) page on Facebook

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7728/BszAWv.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/1107/J7PArv.jpg

Glenn Smith celebrates with One Coin founder, Ruja Ignatova at her Bulgarian birthday bash

[ProfHenryHiggins]

Hmm. I see Glenn's personal onecoin website in one of those photographs. www.glenn1coin.com.

A simple Google search brought these links up.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPLLt7IAOo6Dje4FUplR_-Q
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=1377648559230996
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/glenn-smith/22/38/76a
https://twitter.com/MILLIONAIRESMLM/status/603579597448323072
http://247glennsmith.com

And a little more research deriving from those brings up these.

(over a decade ago)
2120 East Howell Ave. #601,
Anaheim, CA 92806

DoggDigital@aol.com
714-978-0211
https://www.facebook.com/BtcGlennSmith
http://dreamtvstream.com
https://www.facebook.com/fullthrottlecashback
https://plus.google.com/100445316036341614141/posts
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtFPH0HXvNGHF6o-ifyVSqg
http://about.me/glennsmith29
http://fullthrottleglennsmith.com
http://m.glennsmith247help.com
http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Huntington-Beach/glenn-l-smith/139560168.aspx
http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Huntington-Beach/all-in-telexfree-247-llc/135448974.aspx
http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Huntington-Beach/full-throttle-247-llc/135449007.aspx
http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Huntington-Beach/rain-maker-telexfree-247-llc/135449239.aspx
http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Huntington-Beach/living-the-dream-telexfree-247-llc/135448955.aspx
http://www.telexfree.com/btgglobal1
http://www.ChangesWorldwide.net/FullThrottle
http://www.trademarkia.com/dogg-digital-audio-76052289.html
www.DOGGDIGITALAUDIO.COM
btg-global.com btgpennyauction.com btgbidsthatgive.com
btgeverybidhelpsakid.com getrichwithglennsmith.com helpthekidswithglennsmith.com
merchantservicesfornewportbeach.com merchantservicesforanaheim.com merchantservicesfororangecounty.com
pennyauctionhelpingkids.com pennieshelpingkids.com bidsgivingtokids.com



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It appears that he was already pushing onecoin inside of the United States in April, some months before the "official" opening of it. And looking over at our brother site behindmlm.com, I see that Glenn has a long-standing financial association with the infamous Faith Sloan.

Going by the comments at http://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-digital-projectors-under-3-000-usd-msrp/1314432-white-van-projector-scam-3.html it seems that Glenn was infamous for running product based scams himself in th 1980s & 90s. However, I am dubious of the claimed home address given there.

[littleroundman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r-dE0ow9TmA
http://imageshack.com/a/img905/4242/M01x8s.jpg

Hmmnn, how does that fit in with this "official" (since deleted) announcement ??

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/871/ShfDSr.jpg

[littleroundman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/5294/d5QOQm.jpg

OneCoin eu (http://www.onecoin.eu/news/details/english_translation) news

Ah, so Dr. Ruja Ignatova WASN'T featured on the cover of Forbes, she was on the "second cover" section of the magazine using the "same tools journalists use"

IOW, it was an advertising insert written by Ignatova herself and OneCoin pimps, just like everyone has been saying all along

[littleroundman]

One gets the impression making such a public display of support for a blatantly obvious fraud won't go down as being the smartest decision Glenn "Full throttle" Smith ever made in his life.

http://imageshack.com/a/img673/7529/cI0DZ4.jpg

Glenn Smiths' Glenn1Coin.com (http://www.glenn1coin.com/) website

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/8106/QXR1AK.jpg

[littleroundman]

I gotta say, seldom have I seen such a pile of over the top, unmitigated HYIP ponzi nonsensical male bovine excreta as this One Coin announcement from the GoldenLionInv (https://www.facebook.com/GoldenLionInv/posts/881097648598611?_rdr=p) page on Facebook

http://imageshack.com/a/img537/3884/A1olfd.jpg

Anyone who joins OneCoin after reading that c*** is asking to be ripped off.

[EagleOne]

As I understand it, they are going to hold a meeting in LA on July 17. Guess I will have to go and ask some "simple questions" to see how long they let me stay before I am kicked out of the room.

[Della Cate]

Yes, they are going to several places in the USA - Nashville gets a visit twice! Lucky old Nashville.

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[ProfHenryHiggins]

Looking at Frank D'Anelli's onecoinprintshop.com, I notice a second distributor jumping the gun in the States.
http://www.onecoinprintshop.com/Webpages.htm



Jim Stull

jimstullcoins@gmail.com
jimwstullsr@yahoo.com
702-858-9353
http://www.jimstullcoins.com
https://www.facebook.com/jim.stull.33
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jim-stull/11/218/261
http://jimstull.myzija.com
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/teri-jim-stull/27/4b8/446
http://www.onemagicpill.com
https://twitter.com/jimwstullsr
https://plus.google.com/106888154275651765011/posts
https://www.facebook.com/teri.stull (many vidos of Jim here)
https://www.ftc.gov/policy/public-comments/2006/07/12/comment-522418-07942
https://www.facebook.com/mindbodyandsoulforyou
jimteri.com
winningwithjim.com
jimteriincorporated.com
jimteriinc.com



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Following the links from the "OneCoinOneConcept" video on Jim's coin site leads into the shark-infested life
of Tran Thi Tu Linh, more commonly called Grace Tran in English, the "adpro4ever" scammer.


And while I do not currently see D'Anelli involved with OneCoin himself, he does seem to be an opportunist
attached to a number of different websites and schemes.

[littleroundman]

Jim Stull

jimstullcoins@gmail.com
jimwstullsr@yahoo.com
702-858-9353
http://www.jimstullcoins.com
https://www.facebook.com/jim.stull.33
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jim-stull/11/218/261
Home | Zija Independent Distributor (http://jimstull.myzija.com)
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/teri-jim-stull/27/4b8/446
One Magic Pill (http://www.onemagicpill.com)
https://twitter.com/jimwstullsr
https://plus.google.com/106888154275651765011/posts
https://www.facebook.com/teri.stull (many vidos of Jim here)
https://www.ftc.gov/policy/public-co...t-522418-07942 (https://www.ftc.gov/policy/public-comments/2006/07/12/comment-522418-07942)
https://www.facebook.com/mindbodyandsoulforyou
jimteri.com
winningwithjim.com
jimteriincorporated.com
jimteriinc.com

Another silly man making himself easy to find when the SEC comes knocking:

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/4484/yobfqT.jpg

Jim Stulls' JimStullCoins.com (http://www.jimstullcoins.com/)

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/8843/dKieMd.jpg

Jim and Teri Stulls' mindbodyandsoulforyou (https://www.facebook.com/mindbodyandsoulforyou) page on Facebook

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/7051/NFUxPy.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/3915/kHXClm.jpg

Teri and Jim Stulls' teri-jim-stull (https://www.linkedin.com/pub/teri-jim-stull/27/4b8/446) profile on LinkedIn

[littleroundman]

For months OneCoin has been promising it will open in the USA.

Wait no more, it's happened............well sorta,

Instead of a Fourth of July fireworks displaying "launch" we got what would have to be one of the most boring recruitment webinars so far this year.

Control yourselves, ladies and gentlemen, you're about to be bored sh*****s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Jgu4hmpfdCw
http://imageshack.com/a/img673/7940/c8jrpB.jpg

Next global digital currency - my a**

[EagleOne]

Well the big LA event was not in LA but in Downey, which is not exactly the hub of international currencies like LA. Another major issue was the founder was only present via Skype, not in person. One would think that the launch of the USA would have their head honcho at all the "big" events, but alas did not happen. Afraid they might get arrested?

For all the claims of being legal and not doing business in the USA until approved by the SEC, all lies. Of course OC is not registered or licensed anywhere they are operating. Still can't answer why their security certificate for the website is not approved because the security certificate was issued in another company name. But this is real and the next big thing in digital currency! :RpS_lol:

[Della Cate]

According to Oz's site, Behind MLM, Onecoin ain't paying out....

OneCoin affiliates not paid for over a month (http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/onecoin-affiliates-not-paid-for-over-a-month/#more-25800)

One member who complained about the lack of withdrawal had his account frozen as a result. Others are trying to sell their accounts. It's not looking good, is it?

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[littleroundman]

UH OH !

http://imageshack.com/a/img633/1646/Rhlzs1.jpg

One Coins' OneCoin1 (https://www.facebook.com/OneCoin1) page on Facebook

[shipdit]

It's reaffirming watching the evidence against the ridiculous eastern european SCAM onecoin piling up.

A YouTube user going by Ben Zmith (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAo7jAnXUNYKvdpx69B9kMw) has put together 30 entertaining videos concerning onecoin including this cute series of seven short videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw1gV4nfco4&list=PLwAe1uM8jRyVGY6cIMw5vdVmR8Mkv4t5e&index=1) summarizing the ludicrous claims of the onecoin fraud.

Just in case anyone missed it, Coin Telegraph (http://cointelegraph.com/news/114399/one-coin-much-scam-onecoin-exposed-as-global-mlm-ponzi-scheme) published an expose' May 27, 2015 titled "One Coin, Much Scam: OneCoin Exposed as Global MLM Ponzi Scheme" that referenced some of the excellent research provided by Oz at BehindMLM.

SD

.

[Whip]

has that one world foundation fraud even been talked about anymore?

[littleroundman]

In another blow to OneCoin investors, already frustrated by having to wait up to four weeks after requesting withdrawals from their accounts, BEHINDMLM.com (http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/onecoin-enforce-kyc-financial-troubles/) is reporting:

http://imageshack.com/a/img907/3406/E39bfR.jpg

You can read the entire story here on BEHINDMLM.com (http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/onecoin-enforce-kyc-financial-troubles/)

[littleroundman]

Here ya go, the market capitalization of the worlds' top 100 cryptocurrencies:



http://imageshack.com/a/img910/2856/4WLtoA.png

coinmarketcap.com (http://coinmarketcap.com/)

And One Coin is.......................................

NOT THERE

or in the top 200

or the top 300

[Della Cate]

Onecoin has hit the UK tabloid newspaper, the Daily Mirror

I have to say, The Daily Mirror is doing a good job with revealing these things....

Who wants to be a OneCoin millionaire? YOU don’t - here’s why hyped-up web currency is virtually worthless - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/who-wants-onecoin-millionaire-you-7346558)

[littleroundman]

The Mirror.co.uk (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/who-wants-onecoin-millionaire-you-7346558) article referenced in Della Cates' post above:

http://imageshack.com/a/img921/3631/4IJNkP.png

You can read the original article here on: MIRROR.co.uk (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/who-wants-onecoin-millionaire-you-7346558)

[EagleOne]

What is really interesting is that the way Ruja is holding her hand in her picture it makes it look like she only has four fingers.

[laidback]

What is really interesting is that the way Ruja is holding her hand in her picture it makes it look like she only has four fingers.

AHA! An escaped Disney character!!!

[okosh]

What is really interesting is that the way Ruja is holding her hand in her picture it makes it look like she only has four fingers.

Did she lose one finger when shaking hands with someone welcoming her to the scam??....:RpS_unsure:

[EagleOne]

Actually she was the one welcoming them to the scam since she is the proud admin! LOL!

But this is not a scam or a Ponzi because Rune said so, and on more than one occasion.

[EagleOne]

Remember when the UFun crowd was making the sign of the cupped hand turned sideways to form an U? About as effective as the OneCoin thumb and forefinger sign.

[littleroundman]

Did she lose one finger when shaking hands with someone welcoming her to the scam??....:RpS_unsure:

Actually, I think she has given the middle finger to her members so many times, she wore it out

[equitymate]

Please give facts....dont just say it is a scam and not provide proof. The fact that the Presedent of the company was kicked out does not tell us much,maybe the President was not up to standard and was kicked out.That does not mean the company is bad.

[equitymate]

Here's a nice little video with the report from the auditor. You might want to run to about 4 mins in, because the first bit is all prattle about who they are. But as it is only 10 mins long, it won't take up too much time. I'm rather hampered because I do not know what a "blockchain" is or why it is important.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOSStXW9YbY

The lady in the gold dress is presumably Dr Ruja, the founder?

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Go learn what blockchain is about before you comment,without the Blockchain they would be a scam

......why do they have a reputable auditor.....because they are worth $3 Billion and have 1.3 million members,

Bitcoin only has $6 Billion....and have been around 8-9yrs.

......Onecoin has been around for about 14mths....and aims to be bigger than Bitcoin.

Did you know you guys also said Bitcoin was a scam years ago.....suck eggs now.....

[Whip]

why do they have a reputable auditor

and they are? I mean you did just say:


Please give facts....dont just say.........

recruitment into your scam taking a hit is it?
and there's a whole thread of fact here. You just have to be willing to read it. And you will be able to point out exactly where statements are wrong with actual, verifiable 'facts' to back up your claims.

[Char]

ONECOIN IS A SCAM
December 30, 2015 by Jason Tyra 0 Comments

UPDATE: If OneCoin is still participating in “voluntary monthly audits,” Semper Fortis isn’t doing them. According to Georgi Kaloyanov, the firm’s managing partner, Semper Fortis performed just two monthly audits “regarding the consistency of the block regarding OneCoin” [sic] and hasn’t worked with the company since August of 2015.

The company proudly points out that an independent auditor reviews its blockchain and issues a report on a monthly basis, but this is hardly conclusive evidence for or against OneCoin as a scam. Semper Fortis appears to be a reputable firm actually in operation in Bulgaria. They probably do quality work, but their work doesn’t prove what OneCoin says it does. Even if it did, OneCoin has deliberately misrepresented the existence and frequency of Semper Fortis’ attest work. The report addresses only the claims made by the company in reference to the OneCoin blockchain, which was created by and is controlled by One Coin Limited. It does not address the solvency, financial structure or business model of the company specifically or OneCoin more generally. It is not an auditor’s report within the legally accepted meaning in the United States or as generally understood with respect to financial statement audits. The auditor was not engaged and makes no attempt to evaluate anything about OneCoin except whether the technical representations made by the company are an accurate reflection of the way its blockchain works. This is important because the report can be true and correct in every respect and OneCoin can still be a scam.


https://www.tyracpa.com/onecoin-is-a-scam/

[Joe_Shmoe]

1.3 million members,

Please provide some "proof" of this "fact".

[littleroundman]

.....because they are worth $3 Billion and have 1.3 million members,

So they say, have you independently verified the claims or seen the bank accounts ???

The fact they could say anything and you'd believe it is hardly proof of anything, other than how easy it is to fool some people.

[littleroundman]

How many Onecoins will I need to buy a coffee ???

[laidback]

How many Onecoins will I need to buy a coffee ???

Simple answer...All of them!

[ribshaw]

Please give facts....dont just say it is a scam and not provide proof.

The fake Forbes cover shoot is enough for me, and should be enough for anyone with an average IQ. All your due diligence is done once you uncover a single lie as far as investing goes.




......why do they have a reputable auditor.....because they are worth $3 Billion and have 1.3 million members,

You are too stupid to know what type of audit they performed and that it is meaningless as far at the fraud aspect of Onecoin. You showing up with the unsubstantiated $3 Billion drivel is a big strike two as if the lie about Forbes wasn't enough.




Did you know you guys also said Bitcoin was a scam years ago.....

Let ribby know if you need help with any of the big words.

http://www.realscam.com/f45/control-bitcoin-cant-come-soon-enough-2212/

More importantly let the class know of anything we called a scam that turned out to be the real mccoy.




suck eggs now.....

No need to thank us, come around to us the next time you want to do something stupid with your allowance.

[Whip]

The fake Forbes cover shoot is enough for me, and should be enough for anyone with an average IQ. All your due diligence is done once you uncover a single lie as far as investing goes.

and to add insult to injury:

Ignatova does it again, another fake magazine cover? (http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/ignatova-does-it-again-another-fake-magazine-cover/)

[ribshaw]

and to add insult to injury:

Ignatova does it again, another fake magazine cover?



Our friend may need this link above all others...

Don't try to teach your Grandma to suck eggs - meaning and origin. (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/118200.html)

Feels so good to be right about another scam:RpS_thumbsup:!!!

[EagleOne]

Please give facts....dont just say it is a scam and not provide proof. The fact that the Presedent of the company was kicked out does not tell us much,maybe the President was not up to standard and was kicked out.That does not mean the company is bad.

Welcome to RS. I guess I am missing something here since there has been plenty of "Proof" provided that shows that OneCoin is nothing more than a Ponzi/scam if anyone had bothered to read the three previous pages.

But let's break this down. OneCoin says their market capitalization is $3 Billion Dollars, and number 2 behind Bitcoins. Yet in the Market Capitalization website of eCurrencies, OneCoin does not appear in the top 100. Now how can this be if OneCoin as a market capitalization of $3 Billion Dollars? Can we say OneCoin is lying? Of course. Trade publications post results not hype. Or maybe you could explain to all of us how we got it wrong when comments like this from the presenters in the UK gushing over OneCoin said, and I quote:

"someone who pays 5,000 euros – about £3,900 – for the Tycoon Trader package. Thanks to splits this turns into £8,500, and that’s without the value of OneCoin even increasing." Do you really believe this is possible and how is it possible? Now I could post a lot of other inane comments made by OneCoin at their presentations, but an answer to this one will suffice.

Can you explain to me why OneCoin pulled out of the US market? Remember, OneCoin promoted their big rally to be held in LA, but instead it was held in Downey, CA? You do realize that LA is a market capital and Downey is not, right?

You do realize that OneCoin, in an effort to keep as much money in OneCoin as they can without having to pay it out promoted CoinSafe. You are aware that when you put your coins in CoinSafe you cannot withdraw anything for 2 years, right? And you believed them when they said this was the best way to increase the value of your OneCoins, right? Notice how the people at the top are still withdrawing, but the regular members by joining CoinSafe cannot?

Let's also not forget how the top people in OneCoin were encouraging members not to withdraw but keep their money in OneCoin so it would increase faster, and yet all the top members were withdrawing like crazy. You should have been asking why us and not them being told not to withdraw.

You are aware that Sweden has declared OneCoin to be an illegal pyramid scheme, right? You are also aware that OneCoin is under investigation in several other countries as we speak, right?

I do look forward to your answering my questions, but before you do, I suggest you read the first 3 pages carefully. Then not only can you answer my questions, you can raise your own questions for us to answer.

[laidback]

Please give facts....dont just say it is a scam and not provide proof. The fact that the Presedent of the company was kicked out does not tell us much,maybe the President was not up to standard and was kicked out.That does not mean the company is bad.

Actually, the facts given here are technically not so much "proof" but are instead overwhelming evidence! It still must be in the mind of the beholder whether to accept that evidence as proof! Apparently the critical thinking skills necessary to make that decision is absent in many shills, pimps,promoters or even many members in these scams.

[EagleOne]

equitymate: While you are preparing to answer my questions, maybe you could clarify something for me. About a year ago, the good Dr came out with the story that she was on the cover of Forbes International magazine and they did a story on her and OneCoin. Fact was, it was a fake cover as she was not on the cover of the magazine, and no reporter from Forbes magazine had interviewed her. Now she has done it again and claimed she was on the cover of Financial IT. had a picture of it and everything just like she did for the fake Forbes Magainze cover. And low and behold the real issue came out and she was not on the cover. Now it seems she has pulled the picture and the claim she was on the cover and was interviewed. Do you think she is a reputable businesswoman for faking two magazine covers and claiming she was interviewed in both? Does this make you think that everything about OneCoin is exactly all smoke and mirrors and a Ponzi as we have posted here?

I look forward to your reply to all of my questions.

[littleroundman]

Ruja Ignatovas' Cryptoqueen page (https://www.facebook.com/Cryptoqueen-766500173402431/?fref=ts) page on Facebook (image since removed)

http://imageshack.com/a/img921/6554/05pNKx.png

The actual Winter edition of Financial IT cover (https://twitter.com/financialit_net) on Financial IT Nets' Twitter page

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/513/7jENfZ.png

[Whip]

just sayin'


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[Fat City, LA]

Of all the CyberGrifters out there, you fell for one of the most obvious to verify as a con
Your not smart enough to play the ponzis.....suck eggs now.....


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Go learn what blockchain is about before you comment,without the Blockchain they would be a scam

......why do they have a reputable auditor.....because they are worth $3 Billion and have 1.3 million members,

Bitcoin only has $6 Billion....and have been around 8-9yrs.

......Onecoin has been around for about 14mths....and aims to be bigger than Bitcoin.

Did you know you guys also said Bitcoin was a scam years ago.....suck eggs now.....

[littleroundman]

PHEW !!

We can all relax,

Apparently Ravishing Ruja is now going to be on the cover of the FEBRUARY edition of Financial IT

http://imageshack.com/a/img922/3938/5REU27.png

[EagleOne]

I think equitymate must still be trying to find all the "facts" to answer my simple questions. Now you don't suppose that equitymate wasn't really interested in any facts, but just wanted to try to discredit all of us by claiming we don't post "facts?"

[ribshaw]

I think equitymate must still be trying to find all the "facts" to answer my simple questions. Now you don't suppose that equitymate wasn't really interested in any facts, but just wanted to try to discredit all of us by claiming we don't post "facts?"

I always wonder where they go so quickly.

[Whip]

I always wonder where they go so quickly.

back to their leader to ask if they done good silly.

[shipdit]

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Just in case there might be a few readers here who are not also regular followers of OZ's premium work exposing the underbelly of these so-called "internet network marketers" at his BehindMLM.com, you won't want to miss his latest on Ruja Ignatova and her OneCoin SCAM:


Ignatova laundering OneCoin funds through mother (http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/ignatova-laundering-onecoin-funds-through-mother)
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http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/shipdit/Ruja%20Ignatova%2002_zpszcm84nxg.jpg~original

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[Della Cate]

Had to post this little gem....courtesy of our old chum, Joby Boughey:-

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IQ of over 200 eh? Higher than that of Einstein? Nice!

[Whip]

Had to post this little gem....courtesy of our old chum, Joby Boughey:-

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IQ of over 200 eh? Higher than that of Einstein? Nice!

perhaps she was overlooked:

Top 12 People with Highest IQ in the World - Listovative (http://listovative.com/top-12-people-highest-iq-world/)

[EagleOne]

Oz has a great update on OneCoin on his blog. Seems China didn't buy this is a real crypto-currency and raided one of the events and arrested three of the top promoters in China. Now what was shocking about this raid was the amount of money that was confiscated at this event. It was over $30 Million USD! Incredible. But then I guess euqitymate will buy the story that the Chinese just don't understand this great new unique and incredible crypto-currency program. Funny how fast equitymate made like Houdini here. Must have been something we said.

[Bestbud]

Maccabi is still warning everyone about scams - except for the scams that he promotes...

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[Della Cate]

One coin is now at the "opening our new office" stage. This is in Bulgaria, apparently.

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And according to his FB page, Joby Boughey is now peddling One coin in South Africa.

[shipdit]

One coin is now at the "opening our new office" stage. This is in Bulgaria, apparently.

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And according to his FB page, Joby Boughey is now peddling One coin in South Africa.
Holy crap!
Did she fall on her face and split her lips open in that photo?
Or did someone just slosh too much paint while they were retouching the frisbees she's wearing on her lapel?

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[laidback]

Holy crap!
Did she fall on her face and split her lips open in that photo?
Or did someone just slosh too much paint while they were retouching the frisbees she's wearing on her lapel?

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Maybe she had her lips on his jacket and it isn't colorfast?!!

[Bestbud]

Ryan Conley is trying to sell his worthless OneCoin because he can't cash it out...

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[shipdit]

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BULGARIAN PRESS (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=bg&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.capital.bg%2Fbiznes%2Ffinansi%2 F2015%2F09%2F04%2F2603688_doktor_ruja_i_praveneto_ na_pari_ot_nishto%2F&edit-text=) SKEWERS
RUJA IGNATOVA, ONECOIN

Google Translate does a great job on Bulgarian!

:)

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/shipdit/oneCoin%2005_zpsqgceravr.jpg~original

"Money From Nothing" - kinda reminds me of my favorite piece of Ponzi SCAM journalism from 15 years ago: Money for Nothing | WIRED (http://www.wired.com/2000/09/stock-2/)


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[EagleOne]

Great article in any language! It is going to be fun to watch the faithful spin this one to calm the troops and new recruits. Now if the Bulgarian authorities would just act and shut this down, it would be a huge win for all., especially if they do refunds and clawbacks against the major winners like in Zeek and TelexFree.

[littleroundman]

Chinas' ZSBTV (http://www.zsbtv.com/Web/c_000000010001/d_139727.shtm) is reporting:

(Google translated)

NOTE: "Vicat Credits" is the Chinese translation of "OneCoin"

http://imageshack.com/a/img922/5682/9cMDZi.png

[EagleOne]

OneCoin announced that they are going to be holding a major event in London on June 11 at Wembley Arena. This was posted on their FB page. Only one itsy-bitsy, teenie-weenie problem.....The Wembley Arena does not have any event happening on June 11, let alone for OneCoin.

At this late date, if they don't have a venue, they aren't going to get one, so another lie it seems to have been told by OneCoin. Since they have been selling tickets for this London event, you would think they would at least know the venue where it is going to be held. Can't wait to hear all the excuses and cya that is going to take place and soon. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Just so you know this information is true, here is the Email I got earlier this morning with this news, and I quote:

"Hiya Lynn,

So having just got off the phone to their box office, they have told me that they have no event booked for the 11th June, never mind one for One Coin. Hope that helps!

Cheers,"

[nomaxim]

The SSE Arena, Wembley (http://www.ssearena.co.uk/);
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/Oolam/wembley.1_zpsegewedwq.png (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/Oolam/media/wembley.1_zpsegewedwq.png.html)

Interesting tidbit;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wembley_Arena;
Former names
Empire Pool (1934–78)
Wembley Arena (1978–2014)
SSE Arena 2014-
............
The building was renamed The SSE Arena on 1 June 2014 after SSE plc bought the naming rights to the venue for 10 years.

[EagleOne]

The SSE Arena, Wembley (http://www.ssearena.co.uk/);

Interesting tidbit;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wembley_Arena;

And nothing listed for June 11. Makes you wonder just where they are going to hold the event. My guess is they are expecting people to show up protesting them and they are holding the location secret until the very end so no-one would have time to be there protesting.

Of course all real and legal companies don't reveal where they are going to hold their major event until the last possible moment.

[Char]

I posted on Behindmlm about the conference rooms at Wembley. I'm betting they've reserved one of those. Maybe your friend can make another call Lynn?

Meetings and Events | Wembley Stadium (http://www.wembleystadium.com/Conferences-And-Banqueting.aspx)

[EagleOne]

OneCoin's claim is that there are to be over 11,000 people attending this big London event. No meeting room would accommodate them if it is indeed this large. But then with all the other lies told by OneCoin I don't believe their 11,000 claim anyway. Still according to the booking agent, there are none, zero, nil, nada, zilch events of any kind scheduled for that day at the arena. My take is this would also mean smaller rooms. It is also not on the bulletin board calendar of events being held at the arena on their website. You would think that OneCoin wold be demanding their event be proudly displayed for all to see.

My bet is still on them holding where until the last possible moment so those who are planning on going and exposing OneCoin would not have time to attend.

[EagleOne]

You can add Germany to the countries that are investigating OneCoin.

In the meantime Ruja threw herself a birthday at the Royal Albert Hall, renting the entire thing for only 50 people. I am sure the members who can't get their fabulous, special crypto-currency coins sold were thrilled that she is spending their money almost as fast as she gets it in OneCoin. Add to the over $20 Million Dollars of property she has bought in Bulgaria, I'm sure also makes them thrilled at her expensive purchases.

[littleroundman]

Der Speigel (http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/vorab/bafin-prueft-internetwaehrung-onecoin-a-1095657.html) is reporting Germany has become the latest country to investigate the One Coin scheme.

(Google translated)

http://imageshack.com/a/img924/5567/ZUcbpE.png

You can read the original article here on Spiegel.de (http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/vorab/bafin-prueft-internetwaehrung-onecoin-a-1095657.html)

[GlimDropper]

Video of Ruja's speech at the London event is out. [Link] (https://youtu.be/eTqZCjUx1UI?t=26m56s)

It's getting harder to say they're even pretending to be a currency. I mean sure they're pretending to be a currency but they're doing such a ridiculously bad job of it. They do not have enough coins to add merchants to their network? Gee, did they ever notice that you can transact fractions of a bitcoin? As I type one bitcoin is valued at $637 but if I wanted to I could order a pizza with part of a bitcoin, I guess OneCoin is not divisible into partial units.

That or Ruja's speech is pure and total crap.

But they have their own fix for this particular conundrum. On October 1st they will take their website offline and install a brand new blockchain (because everyone knows you need to take the website offline to work on a blockchain, it's like jacking up a car to change it's tire). The new version will increase the total potential number of OneCoins from over two billion to 120 billion. It will also double the amount of all existing OneCoins and tokens without decreasing the value of individual coins.

Let me remind you, this is from a company that claims to be providing education on cryptocurrencies and economics in general. :duh:


As expected no merchants have been added to the network (how could they, there ain't enough coins for that) but they did an amazing shuck and jive with announcing an app that affiliates could take to local businesses to somehow enroll them into the network or something. So like, after they invent enough coins (Grrr) it will be up to the affiliates to sign up merchants.


Currency is a generally accepted form of money, including coins and paper notes, which is issued by a government and circulated within an economy. Used as a medium of exchange for goods and services, currency is the basis for trade.

Until OneCoin can be used to actually buy things with it isn't a currency and best guess one their current timeline for that happening is going to be "by the end of the year" which by some amazing coincidence is exactly what they were saying a year ago.

[shipdit]

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So here is the Onecoin recap of the huge, exciting announcements that Ken Labine (http://www.realscam.com/f11/ken-labine-4446/) and the rest of the Onecoin vultures traveled to London for:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/shipdit/onecoin%202016-06-11_zpsyt1bsyx0.jpg~original

This is hysterical.

· Merchant program will start end of this year & existing members will also make money out of it. Over 1 million merchants will come on board in the next 2 years

Try to imagine one significant merchant deciding that accepting Onecoins in return for goods and/or services makes sense.
Really - TRY.

· Onecoin will go to Share Market, end of this year while merchant services are launched

First - why is "share market" capitalized? Is this some new brand "coming soon to a WalMart near you"?
To sell shares to the public requires a recognized investment bank serving as underwriter. The underwriter performs due diligence including examining all company books, then assumes the liability of going public by deciding on a fair market value for the offered shares and purchasing them. They make their money by offering the shares for a higher price than they paid for them.
Onecoin shares publicly listed? It will never happen.

· On 1st October, Onecoin will adopt the biggest ever blockchain of history with a capacity of 120 billion coins to be mined!

Huh? What is wrong with the "old" blockchain (if indeed one even exists)?
Bitcoin solves the liquidity problem with simple code that allows for infinite divisions of its available supply depending on public demand.
If Onecoins were "real" money with the current supply at 2.1 billion ... and I then announce that I am going to produce another 117.9 billion of them ... I am telling you that I am devaluing what you currently hold by over 95%!

· On 1st October, all existing member's coins will be DOUBLED as a gift from Dr Ruja regardless of the split procedure, just because we are the pioneers of Onecoin

Oh cool! 2.1 billion Onecoins allegedly currently worth over 14 billion dollars are going to ... hey wait a second!
"Dr" Ruja really has an extra 14 billion dollars laying around to generously give away to her suckers?
Experienced Ponzi players clearly recognize this as a last grab for stolen cash.

· From 1st October mining time will be reduced to 1-2 weeks only

If you have something that can't be sold or exchanged for goods or services, who cares how fast you can get them?

· "OneLife" umbrella has been created.

____________ <- fill in your own reason for enthusiasm here. I can't think of one.

· OneCoin Launched a new physical product for members – “Onelife tablet”

Step right up, folks! Buy your tablet from "Dr" Ruja and pay ten times what the Chinese sell them for! YAY!

· Onelife app will be launched in a few weeks to initiate merchant program

An APP? I'll personally be crossing the days off on my calendar to this clearly specified release date.

· New unhakeable websites launched with latest technology

Does this mean the current website is "hakeable"?

· Hacking challenge: if anyone in the whole world can hack our website will win €100,000

Translation: "We don't have €100,000 laying around where anyone can get to it, because we know that one out of a hundred junior high students in Russia or China can hack our grade-school website any day they want to".

ri-diculous

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[shipdit]

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Please ... tell ... me ... this ... is ... a ... fcking ... JOKE.

From: One Coin Forex | coming soon... (http://onecoinforex.eu/)

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/shipdit/oneCoin%2007_zpsqkeydvl1.jpg~original

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[EagleOne]

There is a really great article on the blog Bitcoin.com that exposes OneCoin for the Ponzi it is. Here is a link to the article:

https://news.bitcoin.com/beware-definitive-onecoin-ponzi/

Love it when the heat gets turned up on these Ponzi's, and this definitely turns up the heat on OneCoin. OneCoin is scrambling to do damage control.

[littleroundman]

Remember this post by Bestbud from a few weeks back ????

http://imageshack.com/a/img924/1007/wEJJVu.png

Things certainly seem to have deteriorated since Ryan announced his intention to sell his (non existent) OneCoins


https://vimeo.com/175846499

Scammers scamming scammers = always good for a belly laugh

[Bestbud]

Conley is getting himself all lathered up to post another entertaining video...

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[Whip]

Conley is getting himself all lathered up to post another entertaining video...

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I look forward to reading the police report there conley. and, unfortunately, the 'company' was built on a couple years foundation (see what I did there?) dumbass. lmao!

[EagleOne]

Well, they are now targeting the deaf community. This Saturday evening they are holding a presentation not far from where I live. In the promo for the event, it is billed as Deaf Night Out and not a word about OneCoin, but learning about crypto-currencies. The person doing the presentation is not deaf, but he is very fluent in sign language. This should be fun if he gets around to Q&A at the end.

They did one of these meetings in Miami and a few Bitcoiners were there and I guess it got quite interesting when it came to the Q&A, and they basically shut the presentation down exposing OneCoin. So not sure if I will be able to get in, but going to try.

[shipdit]

I look forward to reading the police report there conley. and, unfortunately, the 'company' was built on a couple years foundation (see what I did there?) dumbass. lmao!
It is absolutely going to be fascinating to see how long the "true believers" like Ken Labine (http://www.realscam.com/f11/ken-labine-4446/) stand behind this massive SCAM as it goes down in flames.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/shipdit/oneCoin%2010_zpstfjrrvzd.jpg~original

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/shipdit/oneCoin%2011_zpsl7u9739f.jpg~original (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/shipdit/media/oneCoin%2011_zpsl7u9739f.jpg.html)

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[EagleOne]

I guess Ken forgot about this from Sweden, and I quote:

"In an official notice published on the regulator’s Lotteri Inspektionen website, the Swedish Gaming Board have declared OneCoin to be “a chain letter game or similar”.

Just so you know under Swedish Law, chain letter is the same thing as an illegal pyramid scheme; and they have not rescinded this opinion. Oops

[Whip]

Well, they are now targeting the deaf community. This Saturday evening they are holding a presentation not far from where I live. In the promo for the event, it is billed as Deaf Night Out and not a word about OneCoin, but learning about crypto-currencies. The person doing the presentation is not deaf, but he is very fluent in sign language. This should be fun if he gets around to Q&A at the end.

They did one of these meetings in Miami and a few Bitcoiners were there and I guess it got quite interesting when it came to the Q&A, and they basically shut the presentation down exposing OneCoin. So not sure if I will be able to get in, but going to try.


just don't show up like this:

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and you should be OK.

[Bestbud]

Conley is really more interested in recruiting for BitClub Network than going after OneCoin...

https://www.facebook.com/bitcoinryan/videos/10153546866742282

He really deserves his own thread based on his history of failures: Isagenix, Viewtrakr, Staged, Buzztrakr, Kannaway, Brain Abundance, Ingreso Cybernetico, Wake Up Now, YOBSN, Jeunesse, IQKonnect, TSU, Elevate Solar, Solavei, OneCoin, MMM Global, BitClub Network and Future Net

[EagleOne]

OneCoin has a new bank AGAIN! Yep, Deutsche Bank is no more. Now you have two choices to deposit with OneCoin. OneCoin has advised affiliates they are to deposit investment funds with United Overseas Bank in Singapore and Bank of Africa in Tanzania. OneCoin is now banking under the inconspicuous account name “International Marketing Services Pte. Ltd.

Sure glad this is not a Ponzi or they would be using another company name for deposits instead of OneCoin. OK sarcasm over.

[surfer]

LOL, some joker trying to raise 70,000 on crowdfunder.co.uk Onecoin, a Business in United Kingdom on Crowdfunder (http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/www-onelife-eu)

Must not want to risk his own money. :loser:

[EagleOne]

OneCoin changes its bank AGAIN. Following ongoing regulatory investigations into the company by German authorities, OneCoin lost its Deutsche Bank account last month.

This left the company with two accounts, United Overseas Bank in Singapore and Bank of Africa in Tanzania. OneCoin's new account is with Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena (Banca MPS) in Italy, using the account name “EDUCAMAX SERVICES SRL.” On their website, Banca MPS claim to be “one of the main banks in Italy.”

Poland's National Prosecutor’s Office found after investigating OneCoin was potential breaches of “unfair market practices.” The findings were forwarded to the Office of Competition and Consumer Protection, who have since launched an official investigation. The Office of Competition and Consumer Protection are being assisted by the National Prosecutor’s Office, who continue to collect information on OneCoin.

If breaches of Poland’s consumer protection laws are found, the Office of Competition and Consumer Protection will initiate further proceedings against OneCoin.

[EagleOne]

In the you can't make this stuff up category comes the news from OneCoin the Italian bank is no more. Took less than 24 hours for the bank to figure out just who they were banking with and pulled the plug. OneCoin was advising their members not to contact the bank or use the OneCoin name. That should have been a dead give-away to the OC'ers that they are in a Ponzi. Hopefully they will wake up and realize they have been had.

[Bestbud]

OneCoin serve cease and desist to journalist over Ponzi claims...

OneCoin serve cease and desist to journalist over Ponzi claims (http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/onecoin-serve-cease-and-desist-to-journalist-over-ponzi-claims/#more-31908)

[littleroundman]

The Mirror.co.uk (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/seven-months-after-expose-crypto-8933566) is today reporting;

http://imageshack.com/a/img922/4796/R84UNU.png

You can read the original article here on MIRROR.co.uk (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/seven-months-after-expose-crypto-8933566)

[littleroundman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img922/5703/FLKKIq.png

UK Financial Conduct Authority (https://www.fca.org.uk/news/news-stories/beware-trading-virtual-currencies-onecoin)

[EagleOne]

Put up my analysis of OneCoin on our website: https://eagleresearchassociates.org/what-we-provide/warnings-alerts-hot-topics/. Will be following it up with the principals behind OneCoin as well as the major promoters next.

[littleroundman]

Bulgarias' BANKER.bg (http://www.banker.bg/finansov-dnevnik/read/opasni-strasti-s-onecoin) is reporting (Google translated)

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/7/R3r7dX.png

You can read the original article here at BANKER.bg (http://www.banker.bg/finansov-dnevnik/read/opasni-strasti-s-onecoin)

[surfer]

Onecoin's run may be coming to it's inevitable ugly end.

No more bank accounts available for wire transfers according to Scam Detector: OneCoin - The ponzi-pyramid crumbles! (http://kusetukset.blogspot.se/2016/11/onecoin-ponzi-pyramid-crumbles.html)

This image also posted, presumably from the OC back office.

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Thoughts?

[littleroundman]

But, but, but,

How can that be ????

One Coin is "Growing faster than Bitcoin, Microsoft, Apple and Facebook:

http://imageshack.com/a/img922/716/2aTwSt.png

Never fear, OneCoin has an explanation for the constant changing of banks:



Q. Why OneCoin changes banks accounts frequently or gets its accounts Blocked ?

Answer 1/2

OneCoin accounts are never Blocked, they rather open a new account

Answer2/2

Company changes Its accounts frequently because

1- Excessive Revenue within short period of Time..

2- All the accounts have certain Limits..

3- Banks don’t allow 1 client to own over 10% of the Funds, it can be a threat to the banks existence… (Law of Economy)

4- OneCoin has done a Billion Dollars in Revenue within 11 months and second Billion in next 3 Months… and every next Billion in shorter period of time… so banks Just Can’t Handle this much cash for their own Security.

5- OneCoin as a company must not depend only on 1 Bank account for its own Security, Imagine IF there is only one account and that account gets Blocked/ Frozen, then it will be in trouble…

6- Many accounts, Full of Money ensure the Financial stability and availability of Cash Flow when company may need.

Moral:- its good to have many accounts rather than only One Account because it’s a sign of company’s strategy to secure members money at different places

Hope it answers your question…

Best Regards

Yasir Mirza

[littleroundman]

Is it just me, or does this look like a goodbye message to anybody else:

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/5269/KYMDhd.png

[surfer]

Moral:- its good to have many accounts rather than only One Account because it’s a sign of company’s strategy to secure members money at different places

I guess it's now best to have zero accounts that your victims are aware of.

I wonder if we'll ever know how much the top brass made off with when it's all over.

[surfer]

Is it just me, or does this look like a goodbye message to anybody else:

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/5269/KYMDhd.png

Yep.

So long suckers might have been considered too rude.

[littleroundman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/2553/iRE5Ys.png

The Merkle.com (http://themerkle.com/the-only-exchange-trading-onecoin-does-not-even-allow-signups/)

[ribshaw]

Thoughts?

People thought they were getting in on the ground floor of a great opportunity, in reality by the time they heard about it the foundation had started to crumble.

Even with bitcoin, I don't understand why the wheel needs to be reinvented. Under the current monetary system almost any transaction can be done with zero Counterparty Risk Definition | Investopedia (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/counterpartyrisk.asp).
If your bank/brokerage account is hacked the institution covers the losses. In the case of the FDIC account holders have some protection against bank failure, with SIPC some protection against fraud. Buyers using credit cards have an array of protections afforded to them.

If all else fails gold has been a store of value for thousands of years, beyond the blockchain technology itself I completely miss the wow factor.

[surfer]

Thankfully, a deep understanding of blockchain technology wasn't required to identify the OC pyramid/ponzi.

I somewhat grasp the uprising against FIAT currency, but it's nothing I've studied up on too thoroughly.

Anything virtual can be hacked and I simply don't see how virtual currency will be any better of a solution in the long run.

Oh well, scam spotting is much easier on the brain than all that.

Sad for however many innocents got sucked in. Wishing the worst to the douchebags that promoted it.

[Whip]

Is it just me, or does this look like a goodbye message to anybody else:

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/5269/KYMDhd.png

lol. I don't know how it can be taken any other way.

[littleroundman]

This message just in from the OneCoin team:


https://vimeo.com/191511031

[ribshaw]

I somewhat grasp the uprising against FIAT currency, but it's nothing I've studied up on too thoroughly.



My experience is when someone starts rambling about fiat currency their audience is about to have some overpriced coins jammed down their throat.



Anything virtual can be hacked and I simply don't see how virtual currency will be any better of a solution in the long run.

In my mind for it to be a solution it has to be both mainstream and better than exactly what we have now. Which works pretty well. As it stands Bitcoin has to be converted into some other commodity or currency for any transaction of significance. Onecoin and all the also ran cryptos might function for buying tie dye hacky sacks or a little weed, they are light years from a store of value a company would denominate a major unhedged transaction with.

[NikSam]

Anyone wants to buy worthless onecoins ? :)

http://i.imgur.com/o3eyXv7.jpg

URL: https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/one-coin-account-512-coins-/563735605-298-7979

[NikSam]

Swedish TV4:


https://youtu.be/YVlCapFgdR8

[hitman]

Swedish TV4:


https://youtu.be/YVlCapFgdR8

I have a friend who is deep into onecoin, he sent me a link saying Swedish police had now closed their investigation on onecoin. Apparently, this is another win for them as it proves they are the real deal.

[surfer]

I have a friend who is deep into onecoin, he sent me a link saying Swedish police had now closed their investigation on onecoin. Apparently, this is another win for them as it proves they are the real deal.

A closed investigation into a company that has no legal presence in a country doesn't prove legitimacy.

I'm also guessing your friend neglected to tell you that the case was reopened and he probably has very little to say about Italy banning OneCoin or the myriad of other warnings about the scam.

OC affiliates are spoon fed cherry picked info by OneCoin and its leaders.

[EagleOne]

OneCoin is losing its top promoters in the UK, Canada and the Caribbean islands. Here is the list of the major promoters that have now abandoned OneCoin: David Imonitie, the brothers Moyn and Monir Islam, Daniel Grenon, Ed Hartley, Touhid Rahman, and Marvin Sambo. Just in these leaders downline are over 26,000 people. Now if they all quit OneCoin and followed them into their next greatest program ever, it will be an ongoing financial blow to OneCoin.

The Total Market Cap of the top 100 publicly traded and real cryptocurrencies is $26,119,769,359. Ruja raised the value of OneCoin from 7.85 Euro to 9.85 Euro. This made OneCoin have 5 times the total market cap of all 100. And just think, all without mining a single coin. Sure glad this is not a Ponzi.

[littleroundman]

I have a friend who is deep into onecoin, he sent me a link saying Swedish police had now closed their investigation on onecoin. Apparently, this is another win for them as it proves they are the real deal.

Your friend is behind the times:

http://imageshack.com/a/img924/3931/i9XXNn.png

BEHINDMLM (http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/onecoin-swedish-police-investigation-resumed-on-march-17th/)

[ribshaw]

I have a friend who is deep into onecoin, he sent me a link saying Swedish police had now closed their investigation on onecoin. Apparently, this is another win for them as it proves they are the real deal.


18504

Yeah, I'm certain that is exactly what happened then you rushed right over here for your first and only post.


One of my bigger frustrations is how feckless law enforcement continues to be with these types of scams until well after the damage is done.

The Madoff Files: A Chronicle of SEC Failure (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/02/AR2009090203851.html)

[Char]

Our old friend, Joby Boughey (pushing UFUN/UTOKEN until, cough, recent unfortunate events in Thailand) has jumped onto Onecoin in a big way. On 6th June, he is holding a special event to rope in the suckers.....I beg your pardon, so sorry; to promote it.

10865 10866 10867 10868

Some people are, however, asking about UFUN/UTOKEN, but Joby has an answer for them....

10869

Look at the crowd hitman's "friend" is running with. Hope he's not from Thailand.
uFun Club scammer prison sentences top 12,000 years (http://behindmlm.com/companies/ufun-club/ufun-club-scammer-prison-sentences-top-12000-years/)

[hitman]

A closed investigation into a company that has no legal presence in a country doesn't prove legitimacy.

I'm also guessing your friend neglected to tell you that the case was reopened and he probably has very little to say about Italy banning OneCoin or the myriad of other warnings about the scam.

OC affiliates are spoon fed cherry picked info by OneCoin and its leaders.

Hi

Thank you for letting me know it's re-opened, do you have a link I can send to him.

I know it's a massive scam and have told him on many occasions, even sending him links of recent news events like Italy banning OneCoin. He keeps saying I am not open minded, yet I always send him neutral links and his are always from Facebook or OneCoin.

Apologies, I have just seen the link.

[hitman]

18504

Yeah, I'm certain that is exactly what happened then you rushed right over here for your first and only post.


One of my bigger frustrations is how feckless law enforcement continues to be with these types of scams until well after the damage is done.

The Madoff Files: A Chronicle of SEC Failure (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/02/AR2009090203851.html)

Hi Ribshaw

I tried to post last week regarding OneCoin and how I think it's a massive scam, I wrote a long post but whenever I went to post it, it wouldn't let me, there was no links in it or anything. I decided to send a smaller post to see if it would let me go through and it did.

I have tried for months now to get him to see sense yet he keeps saying to wait until summer 2018 when it goes public and how I will regret it. Believe me, I have read up on many of the scammers but to him, he can't see past what is on his internal hard drive, which says one OneCoin is worth 11 Euro.

Hitman

[hitman]

18504

Yeah, I'm certain that is exactly what happened then you rushed right over here for your first and only post.


One of my bigger frustrations is how feckless law enforcement continues to be with these types of scams until well after the damage is done.

The Madoff Files: A Chronicle of SEC Failure (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/02/AR2009090203851.html)

Hi Ribshaw

I believe OneCoin to be a scam. I tried to post last week, but every time I went to submit reply it wouldn't let me so I decided to submit a smaller post and it has let it go through.

With regards to my friend, he keeps saying to me to wait until mid 2018 and when OneCoin goes public I will regret it.

Hitman

[hitman]

OneCoin is losing its top promoters in the UK, Canada and the Caribbean islands. Here is the list of the major promoters that have now abandoned OneCoin: David Imonitie, the brothers Moyn and Monir Islam, Daniel Grenon, Ed Hartley, Touhid Rahman, and Marvin Sambo. Just in these leaders downline are over 26,000 people. Now if they all quit OneCoin and followed them into their next greatest program ever, it will be an ongoing financial blow to OneCoin.

The Total Market Cap of the top 100 publicly traded and real cryptocurrencies is $26,119,769,359. Ruja raised the value of OneCoin from 7.85 Euro to 9.85 Euro. This made OneCoin have 5 times the total market cap of all 100. And just think, all without mining a single coin. Sure glad this is not a Ponzi.


Hi

Thank you for that information.

Hitman

[hitman]

Look at the crowd hitman's "friend" is running with. Hope he's not from Thailand.
uFun Club scammer prison sentences top 12,000 years (http://behindmlm.com/companies/ufun-club/ufun-club-scammer-prison-sentences-top-12000-years/)

We are both from the UK.

I would like to ask one thing, has Ruja Ignatova really graduated from Oxford, her certificate shows St Hilda's College - is it fake?

Hitman

[hitman]

18504

Yeah, I'm certain that is exactly what happened then you rushed right over here for your first and only post.


One of my bigger frustrations is how feckless law enforcement continues to be with these types of scams until well after the damage is done.

The Madoff Files: A Chronicle of SEC Failure (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/02/AR2009090203851.html)

Hi

I am not trolling!!

This is the third time I'm replying to this message, each time I have typed a long one and it won't let me respond for some reason.

[Char]

Hi

I am not trolling!!

This is the third time I'm replying to this message, each time I have typed a long one and it won't let me respond for some reason.

Apologies. We get a lot of that. Anyway, welcome to realscam.

I'm not sure collleges give out that information unless perhaps you're an employer. She does appear to be well educated nonetheless. (All the better for scamming appearances)

I did spend some time trying to compare degree certificates months ago, but I didn't get too far.

Why do you ask?

[hitman]

Apologies. We get a lot of that. Anyway, welcome to realscam.

I'm not sure collleges give out that information unless perhaps you're an employer. She does appear to be well educated nonetheless. (All the better for scamming appearances)

I did spend some time trying to compare degree certificates months ago, but I didn't get too far.

Why do you ask?

Well, one of the reasons I ask is because my friend keeps saying to check her credentials. I have a friend who works at Oxford university and have asked to see if they can help finding out if she did graduate from there so I can give him some hardcore evidence. At the moment, anything I say to him about her, he doesn't take any notice. I still haven't mentioned the Forbes magazine to him, which I should actually do to see what he says.

Also, he keeps saying to wait until mid 2018 as that is when OneCoin will go public and his investment will rocket 20 fold.

Just told him about Swedish police re-opening the investigation - he wants proof, will see what he has to say once I send him it.

Thank You

[hitman]

I have had his reply from the proof I sent about Swedish re-opening -

Says that it is a bloggers post and that they are Bitcoin mob who hate onecoin.

[brezx]

We are both from the UK.

I would like to ask one thing, has Ruja Ignatova really graduated from Oxford, her certificate shows St Hilda's College - is it fake?

Hitman

I have an Oxford degree. The certificate looks credible to me, although it uses fancy fonts which my older one lacks. The university used to publish an annual "Oxford University Calendar" which listed students in residence at the time.

[hitman]

I have an Oxford degree. The certificate looks credible to me, although it uses fancy fonts which my older one lacks. The university used to publish an annual "Oxford University Calendar" which listed students in residence at the time.

Wouldn't she have had a graduate picture though, you would have thought if you had graduated from Oxford that you would attend a ceremony and have the pictures taken?

[ribshaw]

Hi

I am not trolling!!

Good welcome.


I have had his reply from the proof I sent about Swedish re-opening -

Says that it is a bloggers post and that they are Bitcoin mob who hate onecoin.

18506

If his response is of "oh the haters" variety perhaps you need to ask him what proof he has Onecoin is not a scam.

1. People always get paid to recruit others into Pozni/Pyramid scams so this isn't valid
2. Back office balances that can't be independently verified are meaningless.
3. All scams that run this long have promises of big things just around the corner.



Ask him for a detailed account about what happened with Bigcoin and all the promoters involved.


18505

Scam Detector: Ruja Ignatova was part of BigCoin scam before OneCoin (http://www.kusetukset.blogspot.com/2016/05/ruja-ignatova-was-part-of-bigcoin-scam.html)

Are multiple regulators in multiple jurisdictions confused? Certainly yes in his eyes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPPO-1S_1NI

https://www.fca.org.uk/news/news-stories/beware-trading-virtual-currencies-onecoin



Make your friend walk through the red flags. 7 of 7 are present, but hope and delusion prove very powerful anecdotes to the truth.

https://www.sec.gov/fast-answers/answersponzihtm.html

High investment returns with little or no risk
Overly consistent returns
Unregistered investments
Unlicensed sellers
Secretive and/or complex strategies
Issues with paperwork
Difficulty receiving payments

OneLife suspend OneCoin withdrawls, affiliates can't cash out (http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/onelife-suspend-onecoin-withdrawls-affiliates-cant-cash-out/)



* Sooner or later the piper gets paid no matter what your friend believes. Even after the piper has razed the Onecoin village your friend may still cling to hope.

[hitman]

Good welcome.



18506

If his response is of "oh the haters" variety perhaps you need to ask him what proof he has Onecoin is not a scam.

1. People always get paid to recruit others into Pozni/Pyramid scams so this isn't valid
2. Back office balances that can't be independently verified are meaningless.
3. All scams that run this long have promises of big things just around the corner.



Ask him for a detailed account about what happened with Bigcoin and all the promoters involved.


18505

Scam Detector: Ruja Ignatova was part of BigCoin scam before OneCoin (http://www.kusetukset.blogspot.com/2016/05/ruja-ignatova-was-part-of-bigcoin-scam.html)

Are multiple regulators in multiple jurisdictions confused? Certainly yes in his eyes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPPO-1S_1NI

https://www.fca.org.uk/news/news-stories/beware-trading-virtual-currencies-onecoin



Make your friend walk through the red flags. 7 of 7 are present, but hope and delusion prove very powerful anecdotes to the truth.

https://www.sec.gov/fast-answers/answersponzihtm.html

High investment returns with little or no risk
Overly consistent returns
Unregistered investments
Unlicensed sellers
Secretive and/or complex strategies
Issues with paperwork
Difficulty receiving payments

OneLife suspend OneCoin withdrawls, affiliates can't cash out (http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/onelife-suspend-onecoin-withdrawls-affiliates-cant-cash-out/)



* Sooner or later the piper gets paid no matter what your friend believes. Even after the piper has razed the Onecoin village your friend may still cling to hope.

Hi

I have already mentioned the Big Coin going bust to him but his reply was that, many of the billionaires today have had companies go bust on them. I did say to him that none of them were known scammers, but fell on deaf ears. All of the stuff you have pointed out, I have mentioned to him, but he is adamant he will be a very rich man. He thinks I am deluded!!

Actually, on Women's day OneCoin had sponsored an event where some leading women from Eastern Europe were to attend and give a talk, but Ruja Ignatova was banned because of her involvement with OneCoin, again he had no answer.

[Char]

@hitman

I'm curious. Does the friend have a history of network marketing, or is OneCoin his first venture? If you know.

I pointed out one serial scammer above. Another pushing OneCoin is Tom McMurrain CONVICTED felon. Does your friend realize the kind of company he's keeping?

[EagleOne]

Since your friend wants to talk about Dr. Ruja's background, then ask him why she claimed she was a Junior Associate at the McKinsey Law Firm, when the law firm website shows her as being a “consultant” to McKinsey from the Sofia office in 2009. In contacting the law firm they confirmed she was only a consultant, not a Junior Associate.

Ask him why Dr. Ruja claimed she was on the cover of Forbes International Magazine and they did an article on her, when it never happened. Ask him about if he knew of her and her father's criminal fraud conviction in Germany for stealing $1 Million from the company she and her father bought putting it into bankruptcy.

Ask him if he knew about her role in Loopium. You see she was the legal and financial adviser for Loopium. She also facilitated the talks with big investors (as high as 500 million euros) to be transacted from Swiss and Hong Kong accounts. Loopium was an eWwallet solution, and was founded by Sebastian Greenwood. I have no doubt she was involved in the formation of Loopium because of her role as legal and financial advisor. Loopium disappeared after she liquidated Loopium “assets” in Gibraltar/Cyprus. Almost 3 months later (23-Jun-2014) onecoin.eu domain was registered. (I am sure this was just a coincidence, cough, cough)

Zooperium Consultancy Service a replacement for Loopium was registered by Ruja Ignatova (27-Mar-2014) less than 2 weeks prior to the liquidation of Loopium (08-Apr-2014). It is of course in Gibraltar with the same virtual address as OneCoin, Loopium, Zooperium, and every other shell company she makes to funnel money.

As for her receiving her degree from Oxford, she was awarded Magister Juris in European and Comparative Law on October 23, 2004 through St Hilda’s College (University of Oxford). She received her degree in Private, Corporate, and Criminal Law, not in economics.

In short she has lied about several of her credentials. I'm sure your friend will have a great explanation for all of this, but it will just be more Ruja-speak.

[EagleOne]

hitman: Is your friend aware that all the "educational material" that Dr. Ruja claims to have written was written by others and she just put her name on it? It is called plagiarism. One more nail in her coffin about her background.

[EagleOne]

hitman, ask your friend to explain how OneCoin has a market cap (based on 9.85 euros per coin) of 132.4 billion euros, while Bitcoin, which is recognized as the #1 crypto-currency in the world only has a market cap of $16,847,732,295 (that's over $16 Billion dollars) with a per coin price of $ 1,037.1255. Please share his explanation with us if he answers.

[hitman]

@hitman

I'm curious. Does the friend have a history of network marketing, or is OneCoin his first venture? If you know.

I pointed out one serial scammer above. Another pushing OneCoin is Tom McMurrain CONVICTED felon. Does your friend realize the kind of company he's keeping?

I believe this is his first one, which may be why he is blinded by it.

With regards to Tom McMurrain, he has sent me a couple of Facebook posts of him promoting OneCoin, to which I gave detailed info about his previous companies and that he spent time in jail but he doesn't reply to those allegations.

At the moment, Ken Labine seems to be really promoting it hard - any info on him?

[hitman]

Since your friend wants to talk about Dr. Ruja's background, then ask him why she claimed she was a Junior Associate at the McKinsey Law Firm, when the law firm website shows her as being a “consultant” to McKinsey from the Sofia office in 2009. In contacting the law firm they confirmed she was only a consultant, not a Junior Associate.

Ask him why Dr. Ruja claimed she was on the cover of Forbes International Magazine and they did an article on her, when it never happened. Ask him about if he knew of her and her father's criminal fraud conviction in Germany for stealing $1 Million from the company she and her father bought putting it into bankruptcy. [

Ask him if he knew about her role in Loopium. You see she was the legal and financial adviser for Loopium. She also facilitated the talks with big investors (as high as 500 million euros) to be transacted from Swiss and Hong Kong accounts. Loopium was an eWwallet solution, and was founded by Sebastian Greenwood. I have no doubt she was involved in the formation of Loopium because of her role as legal and financial advisor. Loopium disappeared after she liquidated Loopium “assets” in Gibraltar/Cyprus. Almost 3 months later (23-Jun-2014) onecoin.eu domain was registered. (I am sure this was just a coincidence, cough, cough)

Zooperium Consultancy Service a replacement for Loopium was registered by Ruja Ignatova (27-Mar-2014) less than 2 weeks prior to the liquidation of Loopium (08-Apr-2014). It is of course in Gibraltar with the same virtual address as OneCoin, Loopium, Zooperium, and every other shell company she makes to funnel money.

As for her receiving her degree from Oxford, she was awarded Magister Juris in European and Comparative Law on October 23, 2004 through St Hilda’s College (University of Oxford). She received her degree in Private, Corporate, and Criminal Law, not in economics.

In short she has lied about several of her credentials. I'm sure your friend will have a great explanation for all of this, but it will just be more Ruja-speak.


Excellent points - he will no doubt bury his head in the sand.

You may ask why I am continuing to challenge and let him lose his money, at this point in time I have actually done that, he will not change, however I had another friend who tried to get me into Traffic Monsoon. I did the usual Google search and so immediately it was a scam. This other friend and his brother had about £9k invested in TM and thanks to a blog on the net I managed to persuade them to contact PayPal and get their money back and luckily they managed to recoup with minimal losses.

I can't wait for OneCoin to go bust!!

[hitman]

hitman, ask your friend to explain how OneCoin has a market cap (based on 9.85 euros per coin) of 132.4 billion euros, while Bitcoin, which is recognized as the #1 crypto-currency in the world only has a market cap of $16,847,732,295 (that's over $16 Billion dollars) with a per coin price of $ 1,037.1255. Please share his explanation with us if he answers.

I will ask him and get back to you.

Thanks for all the info guys - much appreciated. This thread went dead end of last year but there has been so much news recently but no one seemed to have commented, good to see it resurrected, hopefully others will read it and leave the scam.

[NikSam]

accidently spotted a pettition: https://www.change.org/p/london-house-of-commons-imprison-ruja-ignatova-of-onelife-along-with-her-co-mobsters

Good try , but silly

18523

[surfer]

accidently spotted a pettition: https://www.change.org/p/london-house-of-commons-imprison-ruja-ignatova-of-onelife-along-with-her-co-mobsters

Good try , but silly


Yeah, that lady may be a few bricks shy of a load. :crazy:

Speaking of which, the aforementioned Ken Labine has his own petition there as well (https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-to-hold-pcp-and-ppp-accountable-for-there-online-attacks) :RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

[EagleOne]

accidently spotted a pettition: https://www.change.org/p/london-house-of-commons-imprison-ruja-ignatova-of-onelife-along-with-her-co-mobsters

Good try , but silly

18523

I personally think their intent was to get as many signatures as possible in the hopes it would convince the authorities to start an investigation if they hadn't already started one.

[hitman]

He is now sending me links of stuff being sold on dealshaker where there is a price in Euro + one. So you pay Euros and with one coins.

[surfer]

He is now sending me links of stuff being sold on dealshaker where there is a price in Euro + one. So you pay Euros and with one coins.

Your friend is a lost cause.

The vast majority of "deals" on dealshaker aren't great deals at all.

If you feel like wasting more time, you can simply look up what's being sold and price it elsewhere.

In most cases, you'll find that the the items are being sold on DealShaker for more Euros than they are elsewhere and on occasion perhaps a little cheaper.

When that's the case, it essentially proves that the value assigned by OC to their phony cryptocurrency is completely bogus.

If an item sells for 100 euros somewhere else, it should be a max of 50 euros and about 5 ONE, but in reality it's normally priced at about 100 euros and about 10 ONE, which essentially makes it twice as expensive if you believe the internal price assigned by OneCoin to it's alleged cryptocurrency.

You can also find at least one Chinese "auto dealership" selling vehicles for ONE only, no Euros required.

A little bit of investigation(whois details) into the websites of these dealerships shows them to be highly suspect.

[ribshaw]

He is now sending me links of stuff being sold on dealshaker where there is a price in Euro + one. So you pay Euros and with one coins.

You get a W getting your friends out of http://www.realscam.com/f37/judge-rules-against-traffic-monsoon-asset-freeze-remains-4794/ . This guy's money is gone, all that's left is deciding how loud you want to laugh in his face and the appropriate number of ITOLDYOUSOZ.

That a secondary market may exist for Onecoin means nothing without independently verifiable dollar volume of completed transactions. Are millions of Euros in codpieces transacting daily in Onecoin somewhere in the world? If I put a mason jar of my toenail clippings up for auction someone might bid top dollar. What would that prove???

A more convincing argument would be a contract signed by Onecoin with a major vendor like Ebay/Amazon/Wal-Mart subsequently purchased by an independent third party for value. This of course would have to be something market participants could confirm somewhere other than a Facebook group. Has Blackstone or similar notified the Wall Street Journal of a $1B investment in Onecoin? All this he said she said behind the scenes hush hush wait till 2018 is meaningless.


All Ponzi scams have a "perceived value" until they day they don't. As with the above TM link, even after people have their noses rubbed in the proof some insist on slobbering all over their binkys.

Anecdotal stuff makes scams plausible or they would make terrible scams. Until your friend stops with that and starts looking at the hard evidence and questioning the lack of confirmation he is lost. That he goes radio silent with the tough questions tells me the buttons you have to keep pushing if this is what you want to pursue.

[hitman]

You get a W getting your friends out of http://www.realscam.com/f37/judge-rules-against-traffic-monsoon-asset-freeze-remains-4794/ . This guy's money is gone, all that's left is deciding how loud you want to laugh in his face and the appropriate number of ITOLDYOUSOZ.

That a secondary market may exist for Onecoin means nothing without independently verifiable dollar volume of completed transactions. Are millions of Euros in codpieces transacting daily in Onecoin somewhere in the world? If I put a mason jar of my toenail clippings up for auction someone might bid top dollar. What would that prove???

A more convincing argument would be a contract signed by Onecoin with a major vendor like Ebay/Amazon/Wal-Mart subsequently purchased by an independent third party for value. This of course would have to be something market participants could confirm somewhere other than a Facebook group. Has Blackstone or similar notified the Wall Street Journal of a $1B investment in Onecoin? All this he said she said behind the scenes hush hush wait till 2018 is meaningless.


All Ponzi scams have a "perceived value" until they day they don't. As with the above TM link, even after people have their noses rubbed in the proof some insist on slobbering all over their binkys.

Anecdotal stuff makes scams plausible or they would make terrible scams. Until your friend stops with that and starts looking at the hard evidence and questioning the lack of confirmation he is lost. That he goes radio silent with the tough questions tells me the buttons you have to keep pushing if this is what you want to pursue.

I've given up trying to convince him now. I will keep posting him links as they come up over however long this goes on for and he will keep sending me rubbish about how it's gonna be massive soon. When it does go bust, I intend to rub it in as much as I can as that way he will finally understand how much of an idiot he was.

[laidback]

I've given up trying to convince him now. I will keep posting him links as they come up over however long this goes on for and he will keep sending me rubbish about how it's gonna be massive soon. When it does go bust, I intend to rub it in as much as I can as that way he will finally understand how much of an idiot he was.

Good luck! It has been our experience that some never see the light.

[EagleOne]

Wasn't Ken Labine pushing UFunClub/UToken before he started heavily pimping OneCoin?

I remember him promoting some rinky-dink rev share programs that went nowhere years ago, but I keep thinking his first venture into MLM was UFunClub/UToken.

[surfer]

Wasn't Ken Labine pushing UFunClub/UToken before he started heavily pimping OneCoin?

I remember him promoting some rinky-dink rev share programs that went nowhere years ago, but I keep thinking his first venture into MLM was UFunClub/UToken.

I don't believe that he was in uFun. I never found much more than some silly Five Dollar Funnel program he was into with some guy named Shawn Vibert. It looks like Vibert joined OneCoin as well, but may not have stuck with it.

OneCoin is the first hit Labine has had in the pyramid/ponzi world.

[hitman]

I don't believe that he was in uFun. I never found much more than some silly Five Dollar Funnel program he was into with some guy named Shawn Vibert. It looks like Vibert joined OneCoin as well, but may not have stuck with it.

OneCoin is the first hit Labine has had in the pyramid/ponzi world.

Ken Labine does seem to be their biggest spokesman at the moment, nearly all the Facebook links I am being sent are him boasting about how BitCoin is the pyramid scheme and how OneCoin is now even being accepted by doctors in India.

There is also an event being held in Glasgow on the 1st and 2nd of April if anyone wants to go or knows someone who would want to go and ask some tough questions.

[EagleOne]

I don't believe that he was in uFun. I never found much more than some silly Five Dollar Funnel program he was into with some guy named Shawn Vibert. It looks like Vibert joined OneCoin as well, but may not have stuck with it.

OneCoin is the first hit Labine has had in the pyramid/ponzi world.

Thanks for the information. For some reason I thought he was in UFunClub/UToken, but I also thought it could have been BannersBroker. Guess I got him mixed up with someone else. After all it has been a long time ago and I've slept since then. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :RpS_lol:

[NikSam]

I've given up trying to convince him now. I will keep posting him links as they come up over however long this goes on for and he will keep sending me rubbish about how it's gonna be massive soon. When it does go bust, I intend to rub it in as much as I can as that way he will finally understand how much of an idiot he was.

The beginning of the end of onecoin has already started, just wait a bit. But do not expect your freind will realize he was an idiot. A lot of victims like that brainwashed to the point when even admins are in prison they still say "World is just not ready to understand it" , "Courts did not understand", "It was a consipacy by the financial masons (banks/goverments) to destroy it because they feared the new free currency". You will be a better friend if you refrain from making fun of him but help him to recover from the financial losses and the depression he might face.

[hitman]

The beginning of the end of onecoin has already started, just wait a bit. But do not expect your freind will realize he was an idiot. A lot of victims like that brainwashed to the point when even admins are in prison they still say "World is just not ready to understand it" , "Courts did not understand", "It was a consipacy by the financial masons (banks/goverments) to destroy it because they feared the new free currency". You will be a better friend if you refrain from making fun of him but help him to recover from the financial losses and the depression he might face.

That is my next question to him, what is he gonna do if it goes bust? Is he gonna follow them to the next cryptocurrency?

As I have said in a previous post, I helped a different friend get his money back from PayPal who had invested in TM. His cousin had got him involved, I told him to tell his cousin to contact PayPal and get his money out but his cousin wouldn't. A couple of weeks ago I asked did his cousin get out yet and he said he's still hoping the court case goes the way of Charles Scoville, so you are right, some people get so involved they can't see how they are being lied to. I will ask him again now to see what he says.

[hitman]

A link in the UK newspapers about the Islam brothers leaving OneCoin

The flashy Islam brothers heavily promoted get-rich-quick scheme OneCoin - now they've abandoned it - Andrew Penman - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/flashy-islam-brothers-heavily-promoted-10121441)

I believe they were picked to head the UK recruiting in order to entice as many Muslims into the scam. OneCoin also stated it was Sharia compliant when it blatantly isn't as there has been a ruling given by Islamic scholars stating One Coin to be unlawful.

[EagleOne]

A link in the UK newspapers about the Islam brothers leaving OneCoin

The flashy Islam brothers heavily promoted get-rich-quick scheme OneCoin - now they've abandoned it - Andrew Penman - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/flashy-islam-brothers-heavily-promoted-10121441)

I believe they were picked to head the UK recruiting in order to entice as many Muslims into the scam. OneCoin also stated it was Sharia compliant when it blatantly isn't as there has been a ruling given by Islamic scholars stating One Coin to be unlawful.

Thanks for sharing the link to the newspaper story by Andrew Penman. As always Andrew hits the nail on the head. You can bet the Islam brothers are not happy with the story and exposure. It is going to make them have to work twice as hard to dupe people into their newest Ponzi de Jour.

[littleroundman]

A link in the UK newspapers about the Islam brothers leaving OneCoin

The flashy Islam brothers heavily promoted get-rich-quick scheme OneCoin - now they've abandoned it - Andrew Penman - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/flashy-islam-brothers-heavily-promoted-10121441)

I believe they were picked to head the UK recruiting in order to entice as many Muslims into the scam. OneCoin also stated it was Sharia compliant when it blatantly isn't as there has been a ruling given by Islamic scholars stating One Coin to be unlawful.

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/3718/7PNxgU.png

[EagleOne]

I guess the giraffe look is in.

[hitman]

I guess the giraffe look is in.

It certainly looks that way!!

Since most people on this website have had dealings with Ponzi's for a long time, has there ever been a case where everyone thought an MLM or something similar was a Ponzi but actually turned out to be a legitimate business?

[EagleOne]

It certainly looks that way!!

Since most people on this website have had dealings with Ponzi's for a long time, has there ever been a case where everyone thought an MLM or something similar was a Ponzi but actually turned out to be a legitimate business?

I can only speak for myself, but NO. Not one. I highly doubt any of the others have either, but that's for them to say.

[littleroundman]

Since most people on this website have had dealings with Ponzi's for a long time, has there ever been a case where everyone thought an MLM or something similar was a Ponzi but actually turned out to be a legitimate business?

None that I can recall.

[laidback]

It certainly looks that way!!

Since most people on this website have had dealings with Ponzi's for a long time, has there ever been a case where everyone thought an MLM or something similar was a Ponzi but actually turned out to be a legitimate business?

Even so-called legitimate MLM's are pyramidal in nature, that's the whole "multi level" structure! The borderline legal ones have a physical product that is supposedly sold to 'retail' customers with no affiliation to the company. But even with "legitimate" MLM's, the only people that make any money are the top half percent or so.

[surfer]

Since most people on this website have had dealings with Ponzi's for a long time, has there ever been a case where everyone thought an MLM or something similar was a Ponzi but actually turned out to be a legitimate business?

Nope. Not that I've seen.

FWIW, I see OneCoin as a pyramid front end with a ponzi back end, with all sorts of other shady **** in the middle. :RpS_smile:

The ponzi scams dealt with here are pretty easy to pick apart. It ain't rocket science. They all crash and burn or get shut down eventually.

Pyramid scams, on the other hand, can run forever with half-assed, overpriced products/services.

[littleroundman]

Nope. Not that I've seen.

FWIW, I see OneCoin as a pyramid front end with a ponzi back end, with all sorts of other shady **** in the middle. :RpS_smile:

The ponzi scams dealt with here are pretty easy to pick apart. It ain't rocket science. They all crash and burn or get shut down eventually.

Pyramid scams, on the other hand, can run forever with half-assed, overpriced products/services.

Exactly,

well said

[ribshaw]

Since most people on this website have had dealings with Ponzi's for a long time, has there ever been a case where everyone thought an MLM or something similar was a Ponzi but actually turned out to be a legitimate business?

Recruiting-Recruiting-Recruiting^∞ always ends in tears. Especially if people are told they don't have to recruit as they are being recruited. 100% of the time that statement means they are involved in a Ponzi, even if there is some "product" that represents little more than a Pyramid chaser.

In the history of the world "endless chain recruiting" has never turned out being a legitimate business. As laidback and surfer mentioned an MLM/Pyramid can have a "product" and run for years. As a business profit is predicated on a recruit finding other recruits to recover their initial investment. Recruiting is for all intents and purposes the "product" not whatever tangential mystery goo is peddled. Since the world runs out of people before every downline can be filled the (m)asses are guaranteed to lose.



I find the article The Seventy Percent Rule by Jeff Babener MLM Attorney (http://www.mlmlegal.com/seventy.html) compelling as a bare minimum for considering a business legitimate. Personally I think 70% retail sales is too low to really be considered one's own venture. If a product can't be sold to upwards of 90% of people not in the scheme (Onecoin has virtually zero demonstrable retail sales) then in my mind there is a financially fatal flaw in the product/and or its pricing.


http://www.realscam.com/f21/case-law-mlm-recruiting-scams-2848/#post111455

[hitman]

Thank you all for your replies, in my heart I know OneCoin is a scam, however there is a teeny tiny part of me that thinks, what if it isn't and they do bring a coin to the market to rival BitCoin? I guess that probably comes from my friend, who believes in it to such a degree.

[Joe_Shmoe]

however there is a teeny tiny part of me that thinks, what if it isn't and they do bring a coin to the market to rival BitCoin?


That's how they get ya! :RpS_smile:

[surfer]

in my heart I know OneCoin is a scam, however there is a teeny tiny part of me that thinks, what if it isn't and they do bring a coin to the market to rival BitCoin? I guess that probably comes from my friend, who believes in it to such a degree.

LOL, even as a hardcore hater, I have once or twice entertained the "what if" side of the cryptocurrency part of the OneCoin scam. In my case, it's probably because I'm not a cryptocurrency user and have relatively little knowledge on the subject.

If you haven't visited OneCoin OneLife Facts (http://onecoinonelifefacts.blogspot.com/) you can see some technical analysis by the blogger there.

Naturally, OneCoin supporters try to discredit that blog as just another jealous bitcoin enthusiast. I don't think I've ever seen any of them actually provide any evidence contradicting the conclusions made.

And if the highly suspect technology isn't enough to snap you back to reality, then you can just remember the pyramid scam part of the operation.

Why do so many members have multiples of the same type of "education" package, such as the Tycoon?

If you have a college degree, are you going to go back to college and pay for the exact same degree and exact same courses multiple times over.

It's ridiculous and blatantly obvious to those not sucked into the cult mentality.

Or you could remind yourself that Ruja and a number of the promoters are convicted criminals and/or have been involved in other scams.

There are far more reasons to distrust the entire outfit than there are to trust them.

[EagleOne]

I had an interesting phone call from a gentleman that was referred to me from a mutual friend. He wanted to know about OneCoin. So I asked him what did he want to know. He told me that he wanted to know if it was legitimate or not. I told him I would tell him what we knew about OneCoin, but first I wanted to know what he believed to be true about OneCoin. As I was pretty sure all he would do was regurgitate back to me all the Ponzi-speak of the OneCoin promoters and Dr. Ruja; which he did. I then asked him how he knew all of that was true? He said because I believe what they have said. He started listing all of Dr. Ruja's credentials and all the awards she had won, speaking engagements she had done to respected crypto-currency leaders. He told me she wouldn't have been invited to speak if she didn't know what she was talking about and what OneCoin was doing.

So I then asked him what about all the different countries that had launched investigations against OneCoin? Before I could name them, he told me they weren't real because no-one had provided any real links to those countries that were being claimed were investigating, and if OneCoin couldn't find them, then they were all fake put out by haters. I then told him that I was surprised that OneCoin could not find them since I had links to all of them. There was silence on the other end of the phone. Then he asked would I send them to him? I said sure I would and he gave me his email address to send them, which I did. I told him after receiving them and clicking on each link confirming they were indeed from the countries doing an investigation to call me back. Took him about 5 days before he called.

When he called, I asked him was he satisfied that they really were the links to the countries regulatory agencies announcing their investigation into OneCoin? He said they were and he knew they were real. So I asked him what were his thoughts on OneCoin now? He said they were just investigations and nothing had been done and that until something was done he still thought OneCoin was legitimate. So I then asked him about all the bank account closures and what he thought about all of them? He immediately came back with the standard OneCoin answer. So I then asked him to name me just one multi-national company that was as big as OneCoin claims it is that had 20 bank accounts closed by their bank/s. Again dead silence on the other end of the phone, then he said OneCoin is different and the banks don't like the competition. I knew he was trying to find his notes on how to answer me.

So I told him that I would send him an analysis of OneCoin and when he had finished reading it to call me back. About two weeks later he called me back. I asked him what he thought of my analysis? He told me that he was disappointed in me as he had been told I was this great researcher and could provide him real facts to prove OneCoin was a Ponzi, and I had done no such thing. I had provided no facts whatsoever, and I was nothing more than a hater. What he was wanting me to give him was what the authorities would charge OneCoin with if they were to file charges against them. So I went down the list of everything that I had provided to him that he said were not facts, and I asked did you bother to check all the links that I provided you on each statement that you now say aren't facts? He said he had, and he still said I had not provided him any facts as OneCoin has told him all of these statements, links to articles were just from haters and bitcoin supporters that didn't want the competition mantra.

I said before we end the call, were you aware of Dr. Ruja's real past? He was stunned at this question. He said what do you mean? I said her real background. He immediately came back with he knew she was in one failed program but that was it. I asked him how many lies did Dr. Ruja have to tell before he would believe she was a liar? He said it was a dumb question. I told him no it wasn't because in all the info I had sent him she was caught lying 3 times. Obviously he had missed it, and that was the reason for my question. I told him I could provide him factual proof that she had lied on her CV. Was he interested in knowing what lies she told? He said, yes. I then asked the question again. How many lies does she have to tell before you will aceept that she is a liar. He didn't want to answer it, but I refused to drop it. He finally said that if I could provide with just two more lies than the 3 I already disclosed, then he would believe she was a liar. So I sent him her cv so he could not say that I had changed it in any way, or had altered it in any way, and then provided the portions that were lies. I am still waiting for him to call me back and that was 5 weeks ago.

So hitman, you see your friend is not the only one that refuses to believe us "haters" and believes all the lies told by OneCoin, Dr. Ruja and all the major pimps of OneCoin. To be honest I don't think he will call me back as he is too embarrassed to do so. But I will tell you without any hesitation that he is still in OneCoin and refuses to believe me. This is how insidious they are, and every Ponzi is this way. OneCoin is not the exception, it is the rule of all Ponzi's.

[hitman]

I had an interesting phone call from a gentleman that was referred to me from a mutual friend. He wanted to know about OneCoin. So I asked him what did he want to know. He told me that he wanted to know if it was legitimate or not. I told him I would tell him what we knew about OneCoin, but first I wanted to know what he believed to be true about OneCoin. As I was pretty sure all he would do was regurgitate back to me all the Ponzi-speak of the OneCoin promoters and Dr. Ruja; which he did. I then asked him how he knew all of that was true? He said because I believe what they have said. He started listing all of Dr. Ruja's credentials and all the awards she had won, speaking engagements she had done to respected crypto-currency leaders. He told me she wouldn't have been invited to speak if she didn't know what she was talking about and what OneCoin was doing.

So I then asked him what about all the different countries that had launched investigations against OneCoin? Before I could name them, he told me they weren't real because no-one had provided any real links to those countries that were being claimed were investigating, and if OneCoin couldn't find them, then they were all fake put out by haters. I then told him that I was surprised that OneCoin could not find them since I had links to all of them. There was silence on the other end of the phone. Then he asked would I send them to him? I said sure I would and he gave me his email address to send them, which I did. I told him after receiving them and clicking on each link confirming they were indeed from the countries doing an investigation to call me back. Took him about 5 days before he called.

When he called, I asked him was he satisfied that they really were the links to the countries regulatory agencies announcing their investigation into OneCoin? He said they were and he knew they were real. So I asked him what were his thoughts on OneCoin now? He said they were just investigations and nothing had been done and that until something was done he still thought OneCoin was legitimate. So I then asked him about all the bank account closures and what he thought about all of them? He immediately came back with the standard OneCoin answer. So I then asked him to name me just one multi-national company that was as big as OneCoin claims it is that had 20 bank accounts closed by their bank/s. Again dead silence on the other end of the phone, then he said OneCoin is different and the banks don't like the competition. I knew he was trying to find his notes on how to answer me.

So I told him that I would send him an analysis of OneCoin and when he had finished reading it to call me back. About two weeks later he called me back. I asked him what he thought of my analysis? He told me that he was disappointed in me as he had been told I was this great researcher and could provide him real facts to prove OneCoin was a Ponzi, and I had done no such thing. I had provided no facts whatsoever, and I was nothing more than a hater. What he was wanting me to give him was what the authorities would charge OneCoin with if they were to file charges against them. So I went down the list of everything that I had provided to him that he said were not facts, and I asked did you bother to check all the links that I provided you on each statement that you now say aren't facts? He said he had, and he still said I had not provided him any facts as OneCoin has told him all of these statements, links to articles were just from haters and bitcoin supporters that didn't want the competition mantra.

I said before we end the call, were you aware of Dr. Ruja's real past? He was stunned at this question. He said what do you mean? I said her real background. He immediately came back with he knew she was in one failed program but that was it. I asked him how many lies did Dr. Ruja have to tell before he would believe she was a liar? He said it was a dumb question. I told him no it wasn't because in all the info I had sent him she was caught lying 3 times. Obviously he had missed it, and that was the reason for my question. I told him I could provide him factual proof that she had lied on her CV. Was he interested in knowing what lies she told? He said, yes. I then asked the question again. How many lies does she have to tell before you will aceept that she is a liar. He didn't want to answer it, but I refused to drop it. He finally said that if I could provide with just two more lies than the 3 I already disclosed, then he would believe she was a liar. So I sent him her cv so he could not say that I had changed it in any way, or had altered it in any way, and then provided the portions that were lies. I am still waiting for him to call me back and that was 5 weeks ago.

So hitman, you see your friend is not the only one that refuses to believe us "haters" and believes all the lies told by OneCoin, Dr. Ruja and all the major pimps of OneCoin. To be honest I don't think he will call me back as he is too embarrassed to do so. But I will tell you without any hesitation that he is still in OneCoin and refuses to believe me. This is how insidious they are, and every Ponzi is this way. OneCoin is not the exception, it is the rule of all Ponzi's.

My friend uses the same terminology as the person above, according to him we are haters, bitcoin lovers (even though I have never stated I endorse Bitcoin, however on times I have used them in my argument against OneCoin) and downright refuses to believe or just ignores any facts about the legitimacy of the people behind OneCoin.

It is definitely a cult mentality, I did ask my friend the hypothetical question 'if OneCoin were to go bust what would you do? but he refused to answer saying that OneCoin pretty much has no weaknesses and will destroy BitCoin.

[surfer]

My friend uses the same terminology as the person above, according to him we are haters, bitcoin lovers (even though I have never stated I endorse Bitcoin, however on times I have used them in my argument against OneCoin) and downright refuses to believe or just ignores any facts about the legitimacy of the people behind OneCoin.

Pretty standard response from those indoctrinated into the fold and those doing the indoctrinating.


It is definitely a cult mentality, I did ask my friend the hypothetical question 'if OneCoin were to go bust what would you do? but he refused to answer saying that OneCoin pretty much has no weaknesses and will destroy BitCoin.

Nope. You can't allow even the slightest bit of critical thinking to creep in when you're involved in these scams.

Another example of how blinded they are:

Good old Joby Boughey recently posted https://thecryptoproezine.com/2017/03/30/how-to-purchase-a-product-using-onecoins-on-dealshaker/ which illustrates the so-called usability of OneCoin on the DealShaker platform.

OneCoiners hoot and holler, but I haven't seen one single person take note of the fact that the item being purchased is being sold for 25 times the price you can get it elsewhere.

It's a book called Chocolate Revolution by Anna Suvorova.

The price on DealShaker is 24.75 Euro and 2.54 ONE, so essentially 50 Euro if you want to believe in OneCoin's fake value.

It's $1.99 on Amazon, $7.99 at Barnes and Noble, and $11.99 on iTunes.

I thought maybe the inflated price was due to it being a printed version, but that isn't specified in the deal nor was I able to find a non-digital version anywhere online. So, I have to assume the DealShaker offer is a digital version as well.

At the very least, you are paying just over double what you'd pay elsewhere if you go with just the 24.75 Euro cost and the true value of ONE, which is zero.

Some deal. :duh:

Then throw in the big, fat lie that Joby Boughey tells:
Yahoo Finance said this will Revolutionise the E- Commerce industry you can check that out here – http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dealshaker-launch-set-reshape-e-144600991.html

The article he links to is a simple press release paid for by OneCoin. Yahoo Finance said absolutely nothing.

Ironically, if I'm reading https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN24383.html correctly, that Press Release shouldn't even be listed.

These are the types of lies, hype, and spin common in the scam world.

[ribshaw]

My friend uses the same terminology as the person above

This https://kopywritingkourse.com/how-to-scam-people-for-money/ was done as a parody, I find the guy spot on in the tactics top scammers use. It's always some variation of motivational woo mixed with illusions of future gain in exchange for cash today. The difference between the 1% of the scam world and the 99% making their lives possible I believe lurks in the ability of top grifters to genuinely create a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality. Most people fail at that last step even as they mechanically repeat what they have been told.

You can see the Cult of Personality on display when victims a.k.a believers make excuses for outright lies and follow these people from one scheme to the next. As an example Robert Kiyosaki was proven not to have a "Rich Dad" over a decade back. Ten years on "Rich Dad" told Kiyosaki a lot more stuff, some of it contradicting what "Rich Dad" originally said. Few people can pull a stunt like that with a straight face much less collect royalties for it. Why is it that his name gets bandied about in so many of these scams? Could it be trite phrases like "don't work for money, make money work for you"?

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Ruja and her top ropers are simply reading the script, the 99% happy to do the heavy lifting at a significant cost.



It is definitely a cult mentality

Indeedy...

The Cult of MLM | Individual / Social Impact, Ethics | False Profits Blog (http://www.falseprofits.com/files/1a752febbefe73223e22a28e5e5e5106-35.html)

https://www.amazon.com/Amway-Cult-Enterprise-Stephen-Butterfield/dp/0896082539/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329928529&sr=8-1

Cults and MLM – Pink Truth (http://www.pinktruth.com/category/cults-and-mlm/)

www.amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2013/05/is-network-marketing-cult-good-question.html

[surfer]

I thought maybe the inflated price was due to it being a printed version, but that isn't specified in the deal nor was I able to find a non-digital version anywhere online. So, I have to assume the DealShaker offer is a digital version as well.

Okay, so over on BehindMLM, MikeR did find a hardcover version available only from the author's website for $49.97 link to comment (http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/onecoin-swedish-police-investigation-resumed-on-march-17th/#comment-379669)

Since ONE is worth zero, it becomes a half off deal. :RpS_smile:

Not really a deal if you think ONE is worth 9.75 Euro.

[hitman]

https://cointelegraph.com/news/onecoin-to-be-listed-on-coinmarketcapcom-humbling-ethereum

What do people make of this news? Is it credible?

[EagleOne]

https://cointelegraph.com/news/onecoin-to-be-listed-on-coinmarketcapcom-humbling-ethereum

What do people make of this news? Is it credible?

April Fools!

[Char]

https://cointelegraph.com/news/onecoin-to-be-listed-on-coinmarketcapcom-humbling-ethereum

What do people make of this news? Is it credible?

April fools

[ribshaw]

https://cointelegraph.com/news/onecoin-to-be-listed-on-coinmarketcapcom-humbling-ethereum

What do people make of this news? Is it credible?

Don't listen to these so called scambusters.

Of course this article is real!!! Do you not think 170 odd listed currencies with ":RpS_confused:" for value doesn't speak volumes? What the hell, that's because their damn computers can't count that high.
You don't just get listed and start trading if you are running a scam like these jealous haters keep alluding. There's heady rigmarole involved.

https://coinmarketcap.com/all/views/all/

One-Coin is listed right ahead of EDR whose chart looks nothing like a Pump And Dump Definition | Investopedia (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/pumpanddump.asp). In fact "Dinar" means quality investment in Iraqi. Gadzooks, if someone did use Dinar in a scam I serously doubt people would fall for it twice.

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[hitman]

April Fools!

D'oh!!!

I didn't read the last paragraph, no wonder my friend hadn't sent the link to me, the OneCoin 'family' would have been onto that like a fly on s**t.

Hitman

[ribshaw]

Great news you can exchange your Onecoin for OFC. Urban Dictionary: ofc (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ofc)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vAm18wjRvM

Right off the bat Ruja is violating US Securities laws to the extent she is soliciting from US investors.

In general, securities sold in the U.S. must be registered.

https://www.sec.gov/answers/about-lawsshtml.html

Including:
financial statements certified by independent accountants.


She mentions a listing on an "Asian" exchange, can't get more generic than that. Wouldn't want any of the Bitcoin Cabal finding out there are no registration documents by giving a real update.

The used car tactics of buying Onecoin in February for double the shares was a classy touch. Why would an investment before March 1 be valued at twice what it's worth? Who the hell does that and stays in business? Shocking she didn't have to check with her manger first.

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Huge merchant platform "want" to build a million merchants. =More empty promises of future bigness.

FX Platform=Scammers love them some FX.

Remittances=The only remittances Onecoin will profit from are whatever the dummies keep sending Ruja.

[hitman]

She mentions a listing on an "Asian" exchange, can't get more generic than that. Wouldn't want any of the Bitcoin Cabal finding out there are no registration documents by giving a real update.

The used car tactics of buying Onecoin in February for double the shares was a classy touch. Why would an investment before March 1 be valued at twice what it's worth? Who the hell does that and stays in business? Shocking she didn't have to check with her manger first.


Huge merchant platform "want" to build a million merchants. =More empty promises of future bigness.

FX Platform=Scammers love them some FX.

Remittances=The only remittances Onecoin will profit from are whatever the dummies keep sending Ruja.

I believe the Asian country is Hong Kong, well that is what I was told a couple of months ago.

[ribshaw]

I believe the Asian country is Hong Kong, well that is what I was told a couple of months ago.

People need to seriously ask why it's a mystery if not flim-flam masking the odor of red herring?



Here's a problem right off the bat, Onecoin is in violation of both Hong Kong's Safe Harbor and IPO rules for soliciting investors. (Internet Marketing PMA types, that's bad Mmm-KAY)

I know ZERO about Hong Kong law and this took me 15 minutes to compile. Someone scoring 120 LSAT could have provided more competent legal guidance to Onecoin, which tells me they have none. Ergo no Hong Kong IPO, not even on the GEM market.







Subject to the limit on the number of shareholders, a private company may place its shares or debentures privately pursuant to negotiations with potential investors. The directors and/or advisors of a company will have to ensure that such solicitation of interest will not fall foul of the “offer to the public” requirements under theCompanies (Winding Up and Miscellaneous Provisions) Ordinance (Cap 32) (“CWUMPO”).

Statutory Safe Harbors

Currently, there are 12 safe harbors of which four types have been commonly relied on to facilitate private placement in Hong Kong namely:

An offer made only to “professional investors”;
An offer to not more than 50 persons;
An offer in respect of which the total consideration payable for the shares or debentures concerned does not exceed HK$5 million; and
An offer in respect of which the minimum investment amount payable by an investor is not less than HK$500,000.

Private fund raisings in Hong Kong - avoiding pitfalls - Lexology (http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=c7dbc2d4-cc20-4f09-8874-95d5924eadac)

Ruja herself told everyone just how bad they screwed the pooch on that.

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The first step in converting from private to public is to undertake a process called due diligence. Due diligence is the analysis and valuation of a company and is usually performed by a professional accountancy firm.


A real update to "owners" which is what Onecoin buyers are in this business would provide the name of the accountancy doing the Due Diligence.



Based on the valuation report, which is prepared by an appointed valuer, a value is assigned to the company and an appropriate number of shares are issued.

At this stage, the investing public is offered an opportunity to buy the shares of the company.

Ruja has been offering shares to the public long before this step has been completed. Anyone remember the February push?? Not only does Onecoin have two sets of books, to be believed they will need two groups of valuers.

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This is called the Initial Public Offering (IPO). The procedure involves deciding the number and the issue price of shares to be issued. The company will then have to submit a draft prospectus to the Stock Exchange for its comments and approval.

MEH, I'm sure this is more of a suggestion on the part of the authorities.



The company must proceed to identify underwriters who would be responsible for distributing the securities of the company during a share offering.

Ehh, we'll use this guy.

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The next step is to apply for a listing and permission to deal with the Stock Exchange. For this purpose the company must appoint a suitable sponsor for its listing proposal.

Maybe him?

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Once the company receives authorization from the Stock Exchange it must register the prospectus with the Companies Registry and publish it so as to make it available to the general public. It must also advertise an announcement regarding the placing on the Stock Exchange’s website. The company can then proceed to authorize the allotment of shares and issue of share certificates

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Depending on the complexity of the company, the listing process may vary between 4 months to ain't going to f^cking happen in the case of Onecoin.

https://www.guidemehongkong.com/incorporation/topics/hong-kong-company-going-public-considerations

[hitman]

People need to seriously ask why it's a mystery if not flim-flam masking the odor of red herring?



Here's a problem right off the bat, Onecoin is in violation of both Hong Kong's Safe Harbor and IPO rules for soliciting investors. (Internet Marketing PMA types, that's bad Mmm-KAY)

I know ZERO about Hong Kong law and this took me 15 minutes to compile. Someone scoring 120 LSAT could have provided more competent legal guidance to Onecoin, which tells me they have none. Ergo no Hong Kong IPO, not even on the GEM market.





Ruja herself told everyone just how bad they screwed the pooch on that.

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A real update to "owners" which is what Onecoin buyers are in this business would provide the name of the accountancy doing the Due Diligence.



Ruja has been offering shares to the public long before this step has been completed. Anyone remember the February push?? Not only does Onecoin have two sets of books, to be believed they will need two groups of valuers.

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MEH, I'm sure this is more of a suggestion on the part of the authorities.



Ehh, we'll use this guy.

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Maybe him?

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Depending on the complexity of the company, the listing process may vary between 4 months to ain't going to f^cking happen in the case of Onecoin.

https://www.guidemehongkong.com/incorporation/topics/hong-kong-company-going-public-considerations

Excellent breakdown, unfortunately, no matter what you say to OneCoiners, they won't believe logic and evidence. In their eyes, Ruja can do no wrong and will make them millionaires. Can you imagine that, she is going to make 3 million people millionaires? Has there been anyone in the history of the business world that has made so many people rich?

[EagleOne]

Excellent breakdown, unfortunately, no matter what you say to OneCoiners, they won't believe logic and evidence. In their eyes, Ruja can do no wrong and will make them millionaires. Can you imagine that, she is going to make 3 million people millionaires? Has there been anyone in the history of the business world that has made so many people rich?

Not one singular person, but there were a lot made during the gold rush; and most of them were the people who sold the shovels, mining pans, and other hardware required to mine gold.

[ribshaw]

Can you imagine that, she is going to make 3 million people millionaires?


That would be more people than visited her site last month and a quarter of those bounced. Few hundred thousand tops and I'll bet many of those have multiple accounts so they can cheat their sponsors out of commission. What's more telling is how impr:RpS_wink:ssed the people arriving from Dealshaker have been.

Total Visits 2.90M
Bounce Rate 28.99%

https://www.similarweb.com/website/onelife.eu

Dealshaker, training, and events heading em shall we say the south.

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All one big closed loop of shame, folks better suss out the best Dealshaker offers for tissues as the tears will be a flowing.

Total Visits 398.90K
Bounce Rate 49.45%
https://www.similarweb.com/website/onecoin.eu#overview

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[ribshaw]

Excellent breakdown

Thank you




Unfortunately, no matter what you say to OneCoiners, they won't believe logic and evidence.

In their eyes, Ruja can do no wrong and will make them millionaires.

Very true.

When the IPO is delayed until 2019 there will be believers, Onecoin Database hacked coins go missing believers, Ruja pulls a Houdini, Elvis sightings. If they weren't all dead Charles Ponzi would maintain a few hangers on. Hell, some people still proffer the moon landings were faked. Admittedly though due to time constraints I'm accepting the veracity on spec.

Most people I hope can stop on page one of any of these threads having confirmed whatever suspicions they had. Once in a while we get people like yourself that will join and ask questions, sadly not enough. The folks I generally remember were promoting the scam du jour and wanted to challenge our methods, like this sad sack http://www.realscam.com/f8/traffic-monsoon-better-than-maps-trusted-admin-charles-scoville-4070/index5.html#post93247.

We can only plant the seeds, if they forsake watering today in hopes of drinking wine tomorrow...

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[hitman]

Thank you



Very true.

When the IPO is delayed until 2019 there will be believers, Onecoin Database hacked coins go missing believers, Ruja pulls a Houdini, Elvis sightings. If they weren't all dead Charles Ponzi would maintain a few hangers on. Hell, some people still proffer the moon landings were faked. Admittedly though due to time constraints I'm accepting the veracity on spec.

Most people I hope can stop on page one of any of these threads having confirmed whatever suspicions they had. Once in a while we get people like yourself that will join and ask questions, sadly not enough. The folks I generally remember were promoting the scam du jour and wanted to challenge our methods, like this sad sack http://www.realscam.com/f8/traffic-monsoon-better-than-maps-trusted-admin-charles-scoville-4070/index5.html#post93247.

We can only plant the seeds, if they forsake watering today in hopes of drinking wine tomorrow...

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Hi

I know my first message was short and sweet and it looked as though I was trolling, but that was only because I typed a long message on three occasions and tried to post it and each time it wouldn't let me, so I thought I would try a shorter one and it went through.

I think once a person has been hooked into a Ponzi, no matter what you say to them, they won't accept it until their money has gone and in some cases even then, they still have a belief that it will come through somehow.

[Whip]

Hi

I know my first message was short and sweet and it looked as though I was trolling

you did kinda come in guns a blazin'

http://i.imgur.com/RplSkIM.gif

[ribshaw]

I know my first message was short and sweet and it looked as though I was trolling, but that was only because I typed a long message on three occasions and tried to post it and each time it wouldn't let me

A likely story clickbait.

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I think once a person has been hooked into a Ponzi, no matter what you say to them, they won't accept it until their money has gone and in some cases even then, they still have a belief that it will come through somehow.

Perhaps next we need to explore why you are so jealous of your friend's impending succ:RpS_wink:ss ?

[hitman]

A likely story clickbait.

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Perhaps next we need to explore why you are so jealous of your friend's impending succ:RpS_wink:ss ?

Apparently, he is now saying that he won't make millions but tens of thousands only as there aren't enough coins in circulation.

[Char]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0UB2vgS_klU

This was posted on behindmlm. Very interesting!

It's wonderful that these people, especially the crypto experts, are helping to expose OneCoin. Tim Tayshun has done an amazing job.

Sad part is, if people knew not to join any and all MLMs and endless chain opps, which are all littered with thieves, this would've never happened. OneCoin never was about cryptocurrency, and Amway isn't about soap. (Broken record I know)

[surfer]

For those who want to stay here and watch the video. :RpS_smile:


https://youtu.be/0UB2vgS_klU

Posted by the same YouTuber, did OneCoin ever address how something that Ruja said was impossible to do in 2014 was done with the flick of a switch in 2016?


https://youtu.be/-ijerpz6UDU

[ribshaw]

Apparently, he is now saying that he won't make millions but tens of thousands only as there aren't enough coins in circulation.

You should see if you can get your friend to watch the video just posted.

A Ponzi scheme is simply money in money out with a cut for the promoters. This is why independently audited financial statements are so important and often missing. If there are no corresponding expenses and/or transactions relating to revenue a fraud is occurring. One thing I found interesting was transactions between Onecoin wallets were not showing up in the "blockchain" which would be a major red flag. This seems like something non touchy feely your friend could verify.

[EagleOne]

Apparently, he is now saying that he won't make millions but tens of thousands only as there aren't enough coins in circulation.

Sorry but that statement of his made me laugh. WHY? Because there ARE NO COINS IN CIRCULATION and never will be.

If the pimps of this are now making this claim, then this is dying faster than I thought. Even thought there is an attempt to rally the Brits to join OC, the loss of the major promoters there has sent a chill into recruiting. Things are not going well in Asia either. They are running out of victims to fleece. I thought they might possibly make it to October, but at this rate it could be this summer they run. If any of the countries currently investigating them come out and proclaim they are an illegal pyramid scheme, Ruja will run in a heartbeat. She has already squirreled away hundreds of millions of dollars, if not more.

Just had a chance to watch part of his video and take it back it is just an illegal pyramid scheme but a criminal enterprise as well. Not surprised as was told by other sources that there were really, really, really bad characters involved in OneCoin and to be careful. He just confirmed what I was told months ago.

[hitman]

You should see if you can get your friend to watch the video just posted.

A Ponzi scheme is simply money in money out with a cut for the promoters. This is why independently audited financial statements are so important and often missing. If there are no corresponding expenses and/or transactions relating to revenue a fraud is occurring. One thing I found interesting was transactions between Onecoin wallets were not showing up in the "blockchain" which would be a major red flag. This seems like something non touchy feely your friend could verify.

He keeps an eye out on anti OneCoin material, so I'm sure he has watched it. Even if he hasn't, he's so far sucked in that he thinks their operation is airtight. According to him, the Islam brothers were kicked out and lost all their coins and that the story in the papers was falsely reported.

[hitman]

Sorry but that statement of his made me laugh. WHY? Because there ARE NO COINS IN CIRCULATION and never will be.

If the pimps of this are now making this claim, then this is dying faster than I thought. Even thought there is an attempt to rally the Brits to join OC, the loss of the major promoters there has sent a chill into recruiting. Things are not going well in Asia either. They are running out of victims to fleece. I thought they might possibly make it to October, but at this rate it could be this summer they run. If any of the countries currently investigating them come out and proclaim they are an illegal pyramid scheme, Ruja will run in a heartbeat. She has already squirreled away hundreds of millions of dollars, if not more.

Just had a chance to watch part of his video and take it back it is just an illegal pyramid scheme but a criminal enterprise as well. Not surprised as was told by other sources that there were really, really, really bad characters involved in OneCoin and to be careful. He just confirmed what I was told months ago.

The sooner it is proclaimed to be a ponzi the better. How likely is it that any of these scammers will be jailed?

[Char]

The sooner it is proclaimed to be a ponzi the better. How likely is it that any of these scammers will be jailed?

Do you have an opinion on mlm/endless chain network marketing?

[littleroundman]

Sounds like the excrement has hit the rotating air movement device.


https://vimeo.com/212272372
http://imageshack.com/a/img922/1823/9gW4k2.png

Jennifer McAdam on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RlNjBaQuSY)

[littleroundman]

Jennifer McAdam is one very p***** off One Coin leader.


https://vimeo.com/212273834
http://imageshack.com/a/img924/9920/DPVUKd.png

Jennifer McAdam on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DZsxavDpks)

[Char]

Can't wait to see if these ex-leaders move to other "programs".

[Char]

Here is a chilling comment on BFH.

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https://www.businessforhome.org/2017/04/onecoin-onelife-sales-are-500-million-per-month/

[Whip]

He keeps an eye out on anti OneCoin material,

but why if it's legit and he has no worries?

[NikSam]

.... How likely is it that any of these scammers will be jailed?

If it was ran from within US , I would say very likely they will end up in jail.
Now , Bulgaria and the european countries - I would say they more likely will get away with it. Thats just a simple fact, the white collar crime is not really a crime there. They have all required laws there , but in practice they failed miserable to uphold them in cases like this.

[hitman]

Do you have an opinion on mlm/endless chain network marketing?

Traffic Monsoon and OneCoin are my first experiences of this kind of business. For me, the way they target people is just awful, I have spoken to Eagle One privately about how they have even tried to rope my brother in law into OneCoin and he lives in a village in an Asian country. He wouldn't be able to afford the kind of money they were asking to invest, if somehow he did manage to get a hold of the money, once he had lost it, then putting food on the table would have been very difficult.

[hitman]

but why if it's legit and he has no worries?

Probably to debate with the haters. He obviously thinks that what the Webinars are explaining about cryptocurrency is correct.

[littleroundman]

Traffic Monsoon and OneCoin are my first experiences of this kind of business.

That's the problem.

They aren't "businesses" any more than movies are "real life" or video games contain any element of truth

They're fraudulent schemes made to look like "businesses"

Everything about them is fake.

[hitman]

That's the problem.

They aren't "businesses" any more than movies are "real life" or video games contain any element of truth

They're fraudulent schemes made to look like "businesses"

Everything about them is fake.

True - poor choice of word on my behalf!!

[littleroundman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/6651/iuVegp.png

German Federal Financial Services Supervisory Authority BaFin (https://www.bafin.de/SharedDocs/Veroeffentlichungen/EN/Verbrauchermitteilung/unerlaubte/2017/vm_170410_IMS_International_Marketing_Services_en. html)

[EagleOne]

Oh come on, we all know that this doesn't mean that OneCoin is a Ponzi. Italy and Germany just don't understand how great OneCoin is and how it works. If they did, the governments would be offering it to their citizens and praising Dr. Ruja for her incredible knowledge and she is a genius in developing OneCoin. They would want everyone to use it so they could become Millionaires. OK, sarcasm over.

[hitman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/6651/iuVegp.png

German Federal Financial Services Supervisory Authority BaFin (https://www.bafin.de/SharedDocs/Veroeffentlichungen/EN/Verbrauchermitteilung/unerlaubte/2017/vm_170410_IMS_International_Marketing_Services_en. html)

Are we coming to the end of OneCoin?

[EagleOne]

Are we coming to the end of OneCoin?

It is definitely getting closer. All it is going to take is for a few more countries to ban it claiming it is an illegal pyramid scheme and OneCoin is doomed. You can also add India to the list of countries doing an investigation. At the rate the actions are taking place, OneCoin will be lucky to last through summer before Ruja runs and shuts it down.

The only hope anyone has of getting any money back is if a multiple of countries through a joint task force shut it down and freeze all assets everywhere they can find them. This includes all the houses Dr. Ruja bought, etc..

[littleroundman]

Kazakhstan’s Tengri News (https://tengrinews.kz/crime/v-astane-razoblachili-psevdokriptovalyutnuyu-piramidu-316079/) is reporting: (Google translated)

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/8973/CX7WwF.png

You can read the original article here at tangrinews.kz (https://tengrinews.kz/crime/v-astane-razoblachili-psevdokriptovalyutnuyu-piramidu-316079/)

When a country such as Kazakhstan begins cracking down, you just KNOW your favourite scam scheme is no longer flying under the radar and is in serious trouble

[littleroundman]

Reproduced here from an article appearing on Germanys' Gerlach Report (http://www.gerlachreport.com/news/onecoin-alle-fakten-ueber-den-millionen-skandal) (Google translated)

http://imageshack.com/a/img922/9786/JZEgsk.png

You can read the original article here at gerlachreport.com (http://www.gerlachreport.com/news/onecoin-alle-fakten-ueber-den-millionen-skandal)

[littleroundman]

More OneCoin news from Germanys' Gerlach Report (http://www.gerlachreport.com/news/onecoin-das-kleine-glueck-von-kevin-und-chiara) (Google translated)

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/6535/saTJob.png

You can read the original story here at www.gerlachreport.com (http://www.gerlachreport.com)

[surfer]

This scam has had some of the oddest characters(on both sides) and strangest twists I've ever encountered.

[littleroundman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/4303/uBy6Mv.png

(https://propakistani.pk/2017/04/14/secp-warns-investments-bitcoin-others-pakistan/)www.propakistani.pk (http://www.propakistani.pk)