Rebecca's China ESL Scam Continues As New Life ESL With David Valley [Archive] - RealScam.com

Seattle

08-05-2014, 06:33 PM

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Anyone teaching in China for at least a year knows about China ESL and all seven of their former alias names (Total ESL, China Groove, China Express, Dominics ESL Café, etc.) and know the following China ESL MO as well:

1- Uses three names and websites (that I know of) to recruit teachers (China ESL, Total ESL, and now NEW LIFE ESL) If you are legit you only need one right?

2- Tells her agents and staff to only use their "English" names or a fake Chinese name like "Michelle Zhang" the recruiter who hooked me.

3- Tells her staff to only meet with teacher prospects at the KFC, UBS, or Costa Coffee close to the Xidan subway station - and never bring them to here office that has 8 company names listed next to the door.

4- Uses a contract that openly tells the teacher they "will be blacklisted" if they quit or cause problems.

5- Do not give the teachers a copy of their contracts unless they refuse to work without receiving it.

6- Do not put chops (corporate seals) on their contracts

7- Business cards of their recruiters have no addresses - only disposable free email addresses and a mobile phone number, and not even a logo!

8- Why they only talk about visas on the phone and never in an email (the email would be evidence they are telling people to break the law)

9- Why teachers NEVER get the job that was advertised and which they applied for? These people are the bait and switch champions of China.

10- Why they never denied the accusations that their former employee "Becky" made in the thread started by "Bannoy" at thebeijinger.com or the one at fraudwatchers (Becky says that Rebecca hires a hacker to delete complaints on line or offers to advertise more ads on forums if the negative posts are deleted).

BUT WAIT! There is now allegedly a "new owner" of China ESL - a foreigner named David Valley who claims all the problems of the last eight years including the 1,200+ expat teachers who asked the China Minister of Justice to arrest and prosecute Dr. Rebecca Tang, were caused by one unnamed Chinese HR girl who he fired! (He makes this claim at eslwatch.info) Yet China Scam Patrol has confirmed that the government licensing bureau of Beijing (SAIC) insists that as of yesterday, Dr. Rebecca Tang remains the sole owner of the company. David Valley is just another foreign front man being used as was Craig Hill last year (It seems foreign teachers will believe another foreigner and not Chinese). David Valley is a traitor to every expat in China and every foreigner now seeking work in China. If you believe him or any of the fake reviews, you will end up like the people below...

BEWARE CHINAESL--SCAM ALERT, Rebecca Tang will rip you off! | the Beijinger (http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2013/01/31/beware-chinaesl-scam-alert-rebecca-tang-will-rip-you)

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=609652

TEFL forums - Warning China Foreign Teachers: 6 China ESL scams going down (http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3269)

Beware of ChinaESL (Rebecca Tang) | the Beijinger (http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2013/07/01/beware-chinaesl-rebecca-tang)

http://www.realscam.com/f8/beware-china-esl-rebecca-tang-china-tesol-foreign-teacher-esl-tefl-scam-recruiters-3186/

httP://rebeccatangchinaesl.blogspot.com

Job Discussion Forums :: View topic - ChinaESL, is this a real offer? (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=87544&highlight=chinaesl+katherine)

ESL Jobs Forum - View topic - China ESL Scam - Rebecca Tang - Petition To Justice Minister (http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=13169)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-08/27/content_11211668_2.htm

China ESL & Rebecca Tang Changing Names - Use Blacklist For Info - ESLwatch - Information, News and School Reviews (http://eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/7723-china-esl-rebecca-tang-changing-names-use-blacklist-for-info.html)

Job Discussion Forums :: View topic - ChinaESL ??? (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=90695&highlight=chinaesl+katherine)

SCAM WARNING: Rebecca Tang, ChinaESL, RIP OFF - China School & Recruiter Review - ESL Jobs China (http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic2205-scam-warning-rebecca-tang-chinaesl-rip-off.aspx)

Money Talks For Rebecca Tang & China ESL of Beijing - Scam! - ESLwatch - Information, News and School Reviews (http://eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-recruiters-review-in-china/7150-webb-international.html)

https://newlifeeslscam.wordpress.com/

Wolf Watch | Keeping The Sheep Safe 24/7 (http://worldwolfwatch.wordpress.com)

Job Discussion Forums :: View topic - ChinaESL (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=105935)

Do you know anything about Chinaesl? | the Beijinger (http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2008/10/23/do-you-know-anything-about-chinaesl?page=4)

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/02/25/dumb-question-why-china-esl-allowed-advertise-expat-web-sites

Job Discussion Forums :: View topic - ChinaESL (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=105935)

China Teachers Alliance | Exposing China Foreign Teacher Scams (http://chinateachersalliance.wordpress.com)

The TEFL Blacklist (http://teflblacklist.blogspot.com)

SCAM ALERTS (http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/scamalerts/index.pl)

Job Discussion Forums :: View topic - The WORST ESL Teacher Contract In China... (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=107980)

Keep your distance from Rebecca Tang, ChinaESL | the Beijinger (http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2013/12/07/keep-your-distance-rebecca-tang-chinaesl)

International Scam Warning - China School & Recruiter Review - ESL Jobs China (http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic15-international-scam-warning.aspx#post4409)

Chinese School Principals Now Millionaires? - China Business Central - Open Salon (http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2013/02/21/chinese_school_principals_now_millionaires)

BTW... be warned that the China ESL organization is now swindling people under the name of NEW LIFE ESL. They are probably already picking new company names for next month.

NewLifeESL

08-12-2014, 10:44 PM

Seattle

08-13-2014, 06:07 PM

This is Derrick and I'm one of the owners of New Life ESL. This thread is completely inaccurate. We have no relation to China ESL. We do not work with Rebecca Tang, and we don't have any idea who David Valley is.

We are an independent recruiting agency owned by three Americans and have zero connections to these people. Please do not post inaccurate information about our company. I have no idea where you go this nonsense from, but it's not correct.

We have a bunch of reviews from teachers we've placed on our FB page, YouTube testimonial videos, and a whole bunch of teachers that would be happy to talk to any new applicants about who we are and what we do. Stop posting lies please.

I can be contacted directly at Derrick@NewLifeESL.com if you want to speak to me about any of this. Thanks!

Okay Derrick then please explain the following:

1. https://newlifeeslscam.wordpress.com/

2. New Life ESL is not licensed in China to do business according to SAIC - the official licensing bureau in China.

3. SAFEA says they never heard of New Life ESL and ditto for the CFTU

Post a copy of your business license and office address online here and I will ask my friends in Beijing to go visit and verify anything you want to present that you are legitimate. BTW... David Valley and Craig Hill also vehemently denied they were working with Rebecca for months before documentation and witnesses proved otherwise. So of course, nobody would expect you to admit you are working for or with China ESL.

nomaxim

08-13-2014, 08:17 PM

Okay Derrick then please explain the following:

1. https://newlifeeslscam.wordpress.com/I hope you don't believe that the person that wrote that is qualified to teach English to anyone. That blog post wouldn't pass elementary level English. LoL

Besides, at the bottom it says;
I will come back soon to post all the proofs: contracts, plane tickets, emails, china visa…The article is dated 12JUN2014, two months ago.
Still no proof (or proofs) as yet.

2. New Life ESL is not licensed in China to do business according to SAIC - the official licensing bureau in China.Odd, per the Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/articles/china-auto-maker-saic-profit-gains-on-joint-venture-sales-1407926848) and Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAIC), SAIC is a China-based automaker.

3. SAFEA says they never heard of New Life ESL and ditto for the CFTULooks like he kinda already explained that;
We are an independent recruiting agency owned by three Americans and have zero connections to these people.I take that to mean that they don't send anyone to China. They recruit individuals in the US and then forward them to other companies.

And as already pointed out by Niksam (http://www.realscam.com/members/niksam/) in this post (http://www.realscam.com/f8/2014-work-abroad-china-foreign-teacher-recruiter-school-scam-blacklist-available-free-2969/#post66328) and myself in this post (http://www.realscam.com/f8/2014-work-abroad-china-foreign-teacher-recruiter-school-scam-blacklist-available-free-2969/#post66381) CFTU is likely a scam in itself.

Post a copy of your business license and office address online here and I will ask my friends in Beijing to go visit and verify anything you want to present that you are legitimate. Looks like your friends are most likely going to have to travel to Mesa, Arizona in the US to do that.

NewLifeESL

08-14-2014, 12:08 AM

Okay Derrick then please explain the following:

1. https://newlifeeslscam.wordpress.com/

2. New Life ESL is not licensed in China to do business according to SAIC - the official licensing bureau in China.

3. SAFEA says they never heard of New Life ESL and ditto for the CFTU

Post a copy of your business license and office address online here and I will ask my friends in Beijing to go visit and verify anything you want to present that you are legitimate. BTW... David Valley and Craig Hill also vehemently denied they were working with Rebecca for months before documentation and witnesses proved otherwise. So of course, nobody would expect you to admit you are working for or with China ESL.

1) This is a free WordPress site that absolutely anyone could put up in a matter of minutes and the person has HORRIBLE English skills and doesn't even supply a real name. This is clearly not someone who would ever be hired to teach English in China. If you choose to believe this over the dozens of reviews we have from real teachers we've placed on our FB page, video testimonials we have on our YouTube, and the many teachers we have that are more than willing to talk to new applicants about our service - then I don't know what to tell you. This page appears to us to have been put up by a competitor trying to damage our reputation, perhaps someone linked to you? I have no idea who you are and you even managed to spell my name completely incorrectly on your post on another website, so I don't think you have any idea who I am or what my company actually does either.

2) We are a business registered in Hong Kong. We recruit people from all over the world and send them over to schools we trust and work with in China. These schools are licensed and have all the appropriate documentation necessary that teachers can verify.

3) We do not have a physical office. As I said, we work with people all over the world and the only way to do this is using Skype and other tools of the modern world. This is the way ESL recruiting is done in many markets throughout the world and it's not unique to our business.

I tried to research David Valley and Craig Hill online and I can't find any trace of them. On the other hand, we use our real names, our real Skype handles, and I regularly talk to teachers on my personal FB page. We aren't hiding anything here, so you can stop the witch hunt now. Thanks.

NewLifeESL

08-14-2014, 12:09 AM

nomaxim I appreciate your reason and support. It seems like there's at least someone here that gets it and isn't trying to harm a company doing honest and helpful business. Thanks!

littleroundman

08-14-2014, 02:17 AM

http://imageshack.com/a/img674/5727/EICZDD.jpg

SAIC.gov.cn ENGLISH (http://www.saic.gov.cn/english/)

littleroundman

08-14-2014, 02:32 AM

http://imageshack.com/a/img537/8202/xDaXsf.jpg

David Valleys' Valley.Internatonal.Organization (https://www.facebook.com/Valley.International.Organization) page on Facebook

littleroundman

08-14-2014, 02:35 AM

http://imageshack.com/a/img539/1199/TYH7Vq.jpg

David Valley @davidjvalley (https://twitter.com/davidjvalley) on Twitter

NewLifeESL

08-14-2014, 04:11 AM

http://imageshack.com/a/img537/8202/xDaXsf.jpg

David Valleys' Valley.Internatonal.Organization (https://www.facebook.com/Valley.International.Organization) page on Facebook

Thanks for sharing this link. Now at least I know who this guy is that apparently works for the company I own.

Once again, New Life ESL has absolutely nothing to do with China ESL, David Valley, or Rebecca Tang.

Beacon

08-14-2014, 04:12 AM

2) We are a business registered in Hong Kong.

So could you supply the actual name of the business in Hong Kong and the registered business or company number?

nomaxim

08-14-2014, 04:40 AM

2) We are a business registered in Hong Kong. We recruit people from all over the world and send them over to schools we trust and work with in China. These schools are licensed and have all the appropriate documentation necessary that teachers can verify.

3) We do not have a physical office. As I said, we work with people all over the world and the only way to do this is using Skype and other tools of the modern world. This is the way ESL recruiting is done in many markets throughout the world and it's not unique to our business.

whois.domaintools.com/newlifeesl.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/newlifeesl.com);
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/Oolam/newlifeesl1_zpse869b47e.png (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/Oolam/media/newlifeesl1_zpse869b47e.png.html)Well, your website was registered just over a year ago to a residential address in Arizona and that business name is not registered at starpas.azcc.gov (http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/main.p).
So as already posted (basically twice now);
So could you supply the actual name of the business in Hong Kong and the registered business or company number?

Ref:
Post #7 (http://www.realscam.com/f8/rebeccas-china-esl-scam-continues-new-life-esl-david-valley-3349/#post75212), Thanks LRM.

NewLifeESL

08-14-2014, 04:51 AM

A domain registration doesn't have anything to do with a business registration. We are not a registered company in Arizona, or America. Our business name is New Life ESL, and our incorporation in HK is still in process, so I can't provide you with an incorporation number just yet.

We have been operating as an LLC for the past year while starting up, as a lot of new businesses do, but we're going through the incorporation process in HK now. Again, I understand you wanting to double check on our company and the process we go through if you're thinking of using us to find a job in China, but what I don't understand is the outrageous claims that we are China ESL, that I or anyone at my company is David Valley, or that we have any connection to Rebecca Tang. We've put all of our personal information on our website and are very easy to check out. We also do Skype calls with every teacher that applies on our website so they can talk with us directly and ask us as many questions as they like. We also always provide information to contact teachers that we've placed so that people can speak with teachers directly, rather than trusting some horribly written WP site that was likely posted by a competitor of ours that's trying to make us look bad.

Frankly My Dear...

08-14-2014, 06:22 AM

Okay Derrick, many people including myself would agree that the domain registration has little to do with your business registration and license so that is not an issue to me. BUT, you yourself just admitted that you have been operating illegally in China WITHOUT a license since June of 2013 and only NOW - AFTER you have been questioned publicly are you seeking a license in Hong Kong. This smells and looks bad Derrick. Hopefully you have some plausible explanation? Why should a teacher trust someone who is not licensed to do business in China?

By the way, for the other fellow who defended you and said SAIC is a car maker in Detroit, I think he and anyone else reading this thread should read this blurb about why the SAIC is important in China-

Finding An Honest Agent Or Recruiter In China - Mission Impossible? - ESLwatch - Information, News and School Reviews (http://eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/10556-finding-an-honest-agent-or-recruiter-in-china-mission-impossible.html)

So let's say you are not another China ESL alias. Who are you then? You claim a lot of transparency, so can you publish your office address in China here and the real legal names of the owners? Can you complete and publish the agent reply form attached without leaving empty blanks?

To be fair, I contacted the CFTU about you and they admitted that they only had received one complaint against you but the party who filed it left China and said she would post something on her own. But then again, you are fairly new so I don't expect to see many complaints until the new school year begins. I honestly hope you are not connected with China ESL, but don't expect teachers to trust you only because you are a fellow foreigner when you have no business license. BTW... where and when was your LLC filed and can you give us an online link to those records? The guy who posted the Word Press allegation speaks for himself so I will not.

So can you address the above Derrick and put this form online for us to see and verify for ourselves? Where are you physically at - Beijing? Newark? Arizona? and can you give a link to your Facebook or Linked Page so we can learn more about you. The information provided on your web site is very limited. And since you ask us for copies of our passports, can you please post your own. This way if you do turn out to be a scam artist, it will be easy for the police to find the right guy and not David Valley or Craig Hill right? Thank you for your cooperation Derrick Yazwa, and hopefully that is also your real legal name that appears on your passport?

Here is the form I am talking about -

http://englishpost.com/data/attachment/forum/201303/15/172204rq6jrrzvqnnzhiir.jpg

littleroundman

08-14-2014, 06:50 AM

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/4492/NuJPlP.jpg

NEW LIFE ESL.com/about (http://newlifeesl.com/about/)

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/1870/vBCQ85.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img539/1040/vuyolH.jpg

Frankly My Dear...

08-14-2014, 07:15 AM

P.S. Hey Derrick... disregard my request for your facebook and linked pages. I found them along with your photo and this interesting article...

White People with No Skill Sets Wanted in China | VICE United States (http://www.vice.com/read/lazy-and-white-go-teach-in-china)

http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1FGoFCx9mzo/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAACE/3IDV_0npGAA/photo.jpg

nomaxim

08-14-2014, 04:03 PM

BUT, you yourself just admitted that you have been operating illegally in China WITHOUT a license since June of 2013 and only NOW - AFTER you have been questioned publicly are you seeking a license in Hong Kong. Well, actually that isn't what he said;
We have been operating as an LLC for the past year while starting up, as a lot of new businesses do, but we're going through the incorporation process in HK now.

White People with No Skill Sets Wanted in China | VICE United States (http://www.vice.com/read/lazy-and-white-go-teach-in-china)
Interesting article, it also links to some other articles like this one from 2007: Where English teachers have to look the part - Los Angeles Times (http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/29/business/fi-teach29).

With the Beijing Olympics just a year away and a flood of Chinese families sending their children to private language institutes, one of the hottest jobs in China is English instructor. But Asian Americans are finding it tough to break into the industry because many schools prefer to have whites as English teachers.

"In previous jobs, I've had to deal with Chinese parents who have the mentality of 'White is right,' " said Benjamin Newbry, associate director of the Princeton Review test-preparation company in Shanghai, who is white.

"It's just the idea that somehow if you're white, it qualifies you, and skills don't really matter. Being white becomes a plus on your job application."

As in the U.S., there are laws in China prohibiting job discrimination based on sex, race or religion. But in practice, many Chinese employers place hiring ads with specific requirements on age, gender and residence. Companies routinely ask applicants for photos.

"Most of the regulations are just general principle. . . and not enough to protect against discrimination in real life," said Liu Haobin, a labor lawyer in Beijing.

So, China has problems with undocumented workers, discrimination, and with enforcing regulations to combat these problems. These would be political issues for the Chinese government as the problems are within China itself.

PS

By the way, for the other fellow who defended you and said SAIC is a car maker in Detroit, No one in this thread has posted that SAIC is in Detroit.

Frankly My Dear...

08-14-2014, 05:31 PM

Excuse me sir NoMaxim... I can read and what Derrick said was a blatant lie...

"2) We are a business registered in Hong Kong. We recruit people from all over the world and send them over to schools we trust and work with in China. These schools are licensed and have all the appropriate documentation necessary that teachers can verify."

He clearly said that he was registered in Hong Kong, but when questioned further about it by user "Beacon" he changed his tune and admitted he is only now "in the process" of applying for a license - more than a year after he started doing business ILLEGALLY in China. He then claimed he is operating under an LLC but provided no details and has not responded to my request to tell us about that LLC with a link that can be verified. BTW... as of yesterday, New Life ESL is still not registered in Hong Kong nor any other part of China. So for more than a year he has been running an unlicensed business recruiting teachers for China positions, telling teachers to come work on China illegally on an L visa (totally illegal). His operation violates Chinese law and he is helping unwitting foreign teachers break the law as well. You defend this operation?

Another question you just reminded me to ask is how does he "verify" all the schools are properly licensed before he sends teachers to work there from Phoenix Arizona. Who is his contact from SAFEA that keeps tabs to make sure schools have the expensive license and "registered capital" needed to sponsor foreign workers with a "Z visa". Derrick, if you are reading this, please tell me who you deal with at the SAFEA office so I can confirm independently. Also since you claim to be "transparent" can you please post a copy of your 2013 corporate tax returns for NEW LIFE ESL Derrick? I sent an email today to the IRS asking them to confirm that NEW LIFE ESL is even assigned a TAXPAYER ID NUMBER. Should I be surprised when they tell me that they also never heard of NEW LIFE ESL? (If I am wrong I will publicly apologize on this thread) Thank you in advance for your transparency Derrick. I await your reply on the issues of:

1) YOUR CURRENT CHINA REGISTRATION TODAY

2) WHO IS YOUR SAFEA CONTACT?

3) WHAT IS YOUR LLC REGISTRATION NUMBER AND WHERE?

4) WHAT IS THE IRS ID TAXPAYER NUMBER FOR NEW LIFE ESL?

5) WHO ARE BRENDA GIBSON AND VERONICA WEINTRAUB?

BTW... According to the State of Arizona, there is no New Life ESL registered nor licensed to do business and the U.S. State Department did not authorize him to operate as a resident foreign agent, so he may be violating U.S. laws as well. The bottom line is the guy lied straight to our face when he had a chance to rebut the allegations about being registered/licensed in China, with his false claim of being registered in Hong Kong. With what is happening these days in China with identity thieves, there are people out here that will check every agent and recruiter that pops up on the internet. Not all the fraudsters operating China job frauds are Chinese you know.

littleroundman

08-14-2014, 07:34 PM

What exactly does the term "registered business" mean in this context ??

My local lunch bar is a "registered business" and has a certificate on the wall to prove it.

To take it a step further, virtually every HYIP ponzi fraud on the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums claims to be a "registered business"

Registering a business is a relatively cheap and simple matter and proves nothing when it comes to checking the bona fides of a business which requires permits and licenses to operate in a specific country or industry.

Beacon

08-15-2014, 03:29 AM

whois.domaintools.com/newlifeesl.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/newlifeesl.com);Well, your website was registered just over a year ago to a residential address in Arizona and that business name is not registered at starpas.azcc.gov (http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/main.p).
So as already posted (basically twice now);

Ref:
Post #7 (http://www.realscam.com/f8/rebeccas-china-esl-scam-continues-new-life-esl-david-valley-3349/#post75212), Thanks LRM.

Thats Mainland china Hong Kong while under Chinese control operates independently for business purposes AFAIK.
But I can find No NEWLIFE company which seems similar here:
http://www.icris.cr.gov.hk/csci/

emmaj25

08-15-2014, 03:38 AM

For anyone who is questioning whether or not New Life is involved with China ESL or that guy David, I have proof they are not because I've been working with them for several months trying to find a job in China. I don't go out of my way to do reviews, but the amount of patience New Life has given me over the last few months has been so helpful that I can't really watch you guys get away with accusing them of this.

Here is my "conversation" with David Valley:
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He attached a contract only after receiving one email from me and here it is, keep in mind this is a contract I'd be signing with HIS agency, not a school:
8152
Shortly after I emailed China ESL my photo and that's it. She responded with the EXACT same contract as David Valley, only with a different name:
8153
You can see everything is the same and neither of the two "different" agencies wanted anything from me besides a signature.
Here is my most recent conversation with Monica:
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She scheduled a time to go over the contract with me after months of looking.
Here is the contract with the SCHOOL she sent me:
8155
I blocked out the school name for good reason. You can see here I am signing a contract with a school and NOT an agency. Monica got me in touch with previous teachers and helped me go through the whole contract.

There is so much wrong with this thread and other reviews out there. New Life ESL DOES NOT make you sign with them. They introduce you to schools who give you contracts.
I've been explained to how they make money and both Monica and Derrick have explained how they get paid on other threads.

If you have time to check out their site which clearly states all of their names and background, go to it now. There is no such thing as a Derrel Yazwa, Brenda Gibson, or Veronica Weintraub. Your lack of even getting their names correct clearly shows how poorly you have researched them.

**UPDATE: Paint X was used to block out certain names and phone numbers.

emmaj25

08-15-2014, 04:32 AM

Larger View of David Valley's Contract:
8156

nomaxim

08-15-2014, 04:55 AM

Thats Mainland china Hong Kong while under Chinese control operates independently for business purposes AFAIK.
But I can find No NEWLIFE company which seems similar here:
http://www.icris.cr.gov.hk/csci/And per Maricopa County Assessor's Office | Assessor Paul D. Petersen (http://mcassessor.maricopa.gov/) the address in the WhoIs is the parents house.
Other public records suggest Brendan's age is 29 and has a work history that includes Bank of America.

Assuming this isn't a case of ID theft, of course.

Beacon

08-15-2014, 06:21 AM

For anyone who is questioning whether or not New Life is involved with China ESL or that guy David, I have proof they are not because I've been working with them for several months trying to find a job in China.

Thanks Emma for your comments. as you have been several months can you supply some information?
1 What jobs have you been offered with what schools?
2 With whom in those schools have you been in contact?
3 What is Monica's second name and her background experience in this field?
4 Same as 3 for david.
5 With respect to the contract what currency is RMB?
5 The income tax of 1000 per month - 12 000 per year (one ninth of gross salary) payable on a base salary of 9000 per month =108000 per year
is being paid to what state tax authority?
6 If new life "does not make you sign with them" what is the contract with "China ESL" for - or the one with Valley?

Here is my "conversation" with David Valley:

He attached a contract ...

Shortly after I emailed China ESL my photo and that's it. She responded with the EXACT same contract as David Valley, only with a different name:

You can see everything is the same and neither of the two "different" agencies wanted anything from me besides a signature.

Ii.e. a signature and personal information on a CONTRACT you claimed they didn't require! You seem to be contradicting yourself.

You can see here I am signing a contract with a school and NOT an agency.

Yes when you already posted TWO ADDITIONAL contracts with Valley and Monica?

Monica got me in touch with previous teachers and helped me go through the whole contract.

Great! what are the names of these teachers and in what scholls did they work and for how long?

There is so much wrong with this thread and other reviews out there. New Life ESL DOES NOT make you sign with them. They introduce you to schools who give you contracts.

But above you posted TWO contracts from Valley and Monica BEFORE you posted the contract with the schools? Please explain that.

I've been explained to how they make money and both Monica and Derrick have explained how they get paid on other threads.

Since it has been explained to you can you tell us in your own words how they make money? And why do they need a contract with you which you post and then claim does not exist?

If you have time to check out their site which clearly states all of their names and background, go to it now. There is no such thing as a Derrel Yazwa, Brenda Gibson, or Veronica Weintraub.

I checked it out
About - New Life ESL (http://newlifeesl.com/about/)
It lists

Please allow us to introduce ourselves:
Derrick Yazwa
Email: Derrick@NewLifeESL.com

Brendan Gibson
Email: Brendan@NewLifeESL.com

Monica Weintraub
Email: Monica@NewLifeESL.com

The link you offer as evidence lists the above people.
It is a bit like the contracts you posted and then claimed don't exist!

I think maybe you are in denial ~ and I don't mean the River

Your lack of even getting their names correct clearly shows how poorly you have researched them.

Well I think I have reproduced the names as listed.

Monica only says she had an apprenticeship at "AmeriCorps". ther is nothing about her backround in education or anywhere else.
Derrick lists he worked with two major IT companies for over ten years. He neither names the companies or says ANY of the experience or jobs he had with them.
Brendan Gibson lists Bank of America Home loans. Exactly wher he does not say and what he did there he does not say.

None of them list any prior experience management or educational qualifications.

Beacon

08-15-2014, 06:39 AM

Here is my "conversation" with David Valley:[/SIZE]

If you have time to check out their site which clearly states all of their names and background, go to it now.

Okay

Valley Organization, employment agency toronto, teach english in china (http://www.valleyorganization.com/#!about/c1enr)

About the founder:

David Valley was born in Toronto, Canada and from a very young age had a great fascination with Chinese culture and language. By the age of 15, he spoke Cantonese very well and at age 21, Mandarin followed.

Good for him. Where in Toronto?
Is he a Canadian citizen?
Does he still have family there?
What school did he go to?

This eventually led him completing his post secondary education, majoring in East Asian studies, specializing in Mandarin Chinese, with a minor in ESL development.

WHERE did he do this third level qualification?
What is ESL development and what specifically did he study for this?
When was his qualification awarded and what was it?

From there, David has continued to move forward and offers one and all the chance of a lifetime - to work and develop a successful career in China.

In what was has he moved forward?
What additional qualifications?
What business experience?
What business records show any company expanding or generating profit?

littleroundman

08-15-2014, 06:42 AM

If you have time to check out their site which clearly states all of their names and background, go to it now. There is no such thing as a Derrel Yazwa, Brenda Gibson, or Veronica Weintraub. Your lack of even getting their names correct clearly shows how poorly you have researched them.

Welcome to REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) Emma

I hate to disagree with you on your first posts, but, if you would care to look back in the thread to six posts before yours, you would see THIS (http://www.realscam.com/f8/rebeccas-china-esl-scam-continues-new-life-esl-david-valley-3349/#post75220) post contains a screen grab of and link to NewLife ESLS' own "about" page About - New Life ESL (http://newlifeesl.com/about/) with pictures and bios of the names you mention together with WHOIS of both the NewLife ESL domain registration and I.P. address and hostname

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/4492/NuJPlP.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img540/1870/vBCQ85.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img539/1040/vuyolH.jpg

The names and spelling for which you are criticizing posters come via screen grabs directly from the NewLife ESL site, so I fail to see your point

littleroundman

08-15-2014, 06:56 AM

ADMINISTRATOR NOTE:

The admins and moderators of REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) have become aware of a number of inconsistencies in the I.P. addresses of a number of posters in this thread, including multiple posters using the same I.P. address, I.P. addresses not matching the supposed location of posters and multiple wide variations in the supposed location of posters.

While this may be being done for reasons of privacy and / or protection from "officialdom" while doubt remains as to the legitimacy of some of the posters / posts in the thread (IOW, has the forum become a pawn in some game being played) we will shortly be locking the thread, at least temporarily until we can be sure of the motives of some of its' contributors

Beacon

08-15-2014, 06:59 AM

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Your lack of even getting their names correct clearly shows how poorly you have researched them.

TYhis was a comment I should have attributed to Emma and is not originally mane but the irony is probably appropriate. ((!)) . Apologies.

Frankly My Dear...

08-15-2014, 09:34 AM

Hey Derrick,

I'm still waiting for you to answer my five questions above in blue. Can you be straight with us an answer these questions. I will repeat them again for you here...

1) YOUR CURRENT CHINA REGISTRATION TODAY

2) WHO IS YOUR SAFEA CONTACT?

3) WHAT IS YOUR LLC REGISTRATION NUMBER AND WHERE?

4) WHAT IS THE IRS ID TAXPAYER NUMBER FOR NEW LIFE ESL?

5) WHO ARE BRENDA GIBSON AND VERONICA WEINTRAUB?

I was shocked to see that you persuaded the CFTU to come to your defense - sort of:

China Foreign Teacher News, Updates, & Scam Alerts: New Life ESL May Not Be The Scam You Think It Is... (http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com/2014/08/new-life-esl-may-not-be-scam-you-think.html)

But until you answer the above questions publicly and post your LLC and tax return info, I would not trust you to walk my dog Derrick.

littleroundman

08-15-2014, 09:44 AM

I was shocked to see that you persuaded the CFTU to come to your defense - sort of:

I don't know about your definition of "sort of" but to me, the article is fairly clear:

In recent days we have received over three dozen inquiries about New Life ESL - a fairly unknown recruiter that operates no office in China. China labor and commerciallaws mandates that placements of foreign workers in China be done only by recruiters/agents maintain a registered office in China. New Life ESL is violating these laws - whether deliberately or by ignorance matters little.

We have also ascertained that New Life ESL is not licensed nor authorized to do business in China and is not licensed in the State of Arizona as an employment agency. Their website Blog - New Life ESL (http://www.NewLifeESL.com) went online in June of 2013. According to this link below, Mr. Yazwa had claimed to be registered in Hong Kong, but as of yesterday, there was no HK registration to be found for New Life ESL.

ribshaw

08-15-2014, 10:06 AM

Doubt remains as to the legitimacy of some of the posters / posts in the thread (IOW, has the forum become a pawn in some game being played) we will shortly be locking the thread, at least temporarily until we can be sure of the motives of some of its' contributors

I don't know nuthin bout nuthin, but am suspicious when people who claim they don't normally write reviews just "happen" to show up. Certainly Derrick could clear up a lot of things by highlighting exactly how he is paid, institutions he represents, specific employment arrangements, and of course the license to do business.

One thing that jumps right out at me in general is teachers having search fees deducted from their salary-- smells scammy. In the US companies that want to recruit top talent pay the fee to the recruiter directly. Maybe things are different in China, but for an employee to pay a recruiter for a job does not say a whole lot more than warm body.

As highlighted by this little nugget from the contract, is this a job for a sharecropper in a company town? Good bloody grief, traveling 1/2 way around the world to work for $1400 per month and this is what they think of the relationship. Have Fun...

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If I were thinking of going overseas to teach I would want to be damn near an expert in the endeavor and then back into finding someone to work with. Going about it the other way seems like a recipe for disaster. I would be very careful before turning over any personal information and/or money.

SELECTED READING WITH LINKS:

A foreign teacher earns $25,000 a year on average while the recruiter who found him to work in one of 17,000 schools and “learning” or “training centers” scattered over 32 provinces average $75,000 a year legally, and perhaps twice as much illegally selling resumes along with copies of passports and visas to identity thieves. There are at least 20,000 fake scam agents like those above along with 10,000 “legitimate” agents who cause just as much grief and problems for FTs. Agents average 6-8 recruitment every month. For both species of recruiters, the foreign teacher represents low-hanging fruit for financial exploitation. While the scam agents profit from up-front fees and $300 per file to identity theft rings, the “legitimate” agent earns even more money in a most unethical and despicable fashion.

The greedy agents place hundreds of free ads all over the internet offer fantastic teaching jobs in China that ostensibly offer $30,000 - $50,000 salaries, free housing, meals, healthcare insurance, paid vacations, bonuses, airfare reimbursements, visa support, and in some cases, even free Chinese lessons! For young university graduates in the West facing dismal job prospects in floundering economies, these “Work In China” ads seem like a timely blessing – a dream job. That’s the promise.

China Scam Recruiters Lure Foreign Teachers With Hype & Lies - China Business Central - Open Salon (http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2012/12/16/china_scam_recruiters_lure_foreign_teachers_with_h ype_lies)

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China Foreign Teacher Wages Salary Pay & Earnings Facts - 2013 (http://www.chinascambusters.com/)

79% of those polled said they would never have come to China if they knew what was waiting for them - unpaid overtime, unpaid wages, and an assortment of scams orchetsrated by shady agents and even their own employers

China Foreign Teachers Exploited And Abused By Scams - China Business Central - Open Salon (http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2012/12/14/china_foreign_teachers_exploited_and_abused_by_sca ms)

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The link to this article is somewhat neutral. Although based on the underlined below, and the previous request for licensing information a caution flag needs to be raised.

In recent days we have received over three dozen inquiries about New Life ESL - a fairly unknown recruiter that operates no office in China. China law mandates that placements of foreign workers in China done by recruiters/agents maintain a registered office in China.

China Foreign Teacher News, Updates, & Scam Alerts (http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com/)

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"Learning from the mistakes of others is less costly than learning from your own" – J.P. Morgan

https://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/category/teaching-abroad-in-china/

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Without a doubt, foreign teachers in China are the biggest group of fraud victims--maybe not so much in terms of dollar value, but certainly in terms of volume. The China Foreign Teachers Union (yes there is one!) reports that approximately half of all foreign teachers in China have been swindled. There are 10 tricks used by agents and private schools to scam teachers. Here are a few of them.

Scam Alert: The Foreign Teacher Fraud | City Weekend (http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/blog/scam-alert-foreign-teacher-fraud/)

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The following story was supplied to us by one of our readers, and serves as a warning to expats not to trust recruiters when looking for teaching jobs in China

Chinese school recruiters scam expat teachers | China Daily Mail (http://chinadailymail.com/2013/09/30/chinese-school-recruiters-scam-expat-teachers/)

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Whip

08-15-2014, 10:16 AM

Ii.e. a signature and personal information on a CONTRACT you claimed they didn't require! You seem to be contradicting yourself.

that was done long ago with the comment they don't go out of their way to review but somehow just happened to find this site for no reason.

ribshaw

08-15-2014, 10:20 AM

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Please do not contact the Embassy for help in finding employment or verifying the legitimacy of a school.

Teaching English in China | Embassy of the United States Beijing, China (http://beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn/teaching.html)

American Citizen Services
U.S. Embassy Beijing
Tel: 86-10-8531-4000
Fax: 86-10-8531-3300
Email: BeijingACS@state.gov

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VISA MATTERS

Employment Visas

Working legally in China requires a “Z” Visa from a Chinese embassy or consulate. The Z visa is the only valid work visa. Sponsorship from an employer is needed in order to obtain a Z visa. There have recent restrictions on visa issuance and renewals in China. See Beijing Municipal Public Security Bureau (http://www.bjgaj.gov.cn/eng/) for more information about visa types and what information is required to obtain one.

*Prospective teachers should also be aware that working in China on any type of visa other than the Z visa, such as a tourist “L” visa or student “F” or “X” visa, is illegal and can result in large fines or even detention.

Required Documents

Below is a list of the documents required to obtain a Z visa in the United States. Further information on obtaining a Z visa and a complete listing of the documents required is available on the website of the Chinese Embassy in the United States at The Embassy of the People's Republic of China in Washington, DC (http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/).

- A valid US Passport with at least 6 months validity before the expiration date;
- A visa notification issued by the authorized Chinese unit (your employer), and a “Work Permit for Aliens” issued by the Chinese Labor Ministry/”Foreign Expert’s License” issued by the Chinese Foreign Expert Bureau;
- One completed Visa Application Form (Q1) with one additional passport photo;
- Locally obtained health check for absence of HIV, TB, and drug use;
- 50 US dollars.

Foreign Teachers

Foreign teachers are all teachers without an “Expert Certificate” from the National Expert Bureau of Foreign Affairs. In order to obtain a Resident Permit they will need to work with their employer to obtain the Foreign Teacher Resident Permit, colloquially known as the “Green Book” from their local Public Security Bureau. They will need the following documents.

- Valid passport and visa;
- Original “Health Certification” submitted by Beijing Exit & Entry Inspection & Quarantine Bureau;
- Two recent, two-inch, bareheaded, full-faced photos (either black and white or in color);
- The official seal of the unit (the employer, known as the “danwei”) on a filled-out “Application Form for Visa, Residence Permit,” along with one recent, two inch, bareheaded, full-faced photo.
* For those working in Beijing whose work will not exceed one year, a temporary residence permit is available, and the “Health Certificate” is waived.

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CONTRACTS

Foreign instructors in China occasionally have contract disputes with their employers. Employees should be sure to get everything put into writing and not to rely on verbal promises. If possible one should receive an official copy of the contract before arriving in China, including a copy in Chinese. Even so, American teachers may find that Chinese contracts are not considered as binding as contracts in the United States. These contracts will sometimes contain unexpected alterations when the prospective teacher arrives, during the duration of their employment, or at the end of the period specified by the contract. Taking an employer to court over breach of contract is far less common in China than it is in the United States, and is a particularly difficult process for foreigners. Culturally, oral negotiation and a solid relationship with the employer are of paramount importance. A good working relationship with your school, institution, or business is vital to reaching an agreement over contractual difficulties.

nomaxim

08-15-2014, 11:53 AM

Hey Derrick,

I'm still waiting for you to answer my five questions above in blue. Well, it's only been a day or so.
Hell, been waiting over a year for those 8 fake review website url's for CRCC from you.

http://www.realscam.com/f8/beware-crcc-fake-china-internship-fraud-targeting-unemployed-university-students-2401/#post56546;

but this CRCC group goes way out of its way to delete and hide all their complaints and the host 8 fake review sites that praise only themselves and find problems with all their competitors. And the url's for these 8 review sites are?

I for one am beginning to believe those '8 fake review sites' don't exist.

nomaxim

08-15-2014, 12:14 PM

I don't know about your definition of "sort of" but to me, the article is fairly clear:

We have also ascertained that New Life ESL is not licensed nor authorized to do business in China and is not licensed in the State of Arizona as an employment agency. Their website Blog - New Life ESL (http://newlifeesl.com/) went online in June of 2013. According to this link below, Mr. Yazwa had claimed to be registered in Hong Kong, but as of yesterday, there was no HK registration to be found for New Life ESL.

Umm, wonder where they got that info from Arizona, LoL.

Seattle

08-15-2014, 07:03 PM

I started this thread focused on New Life ESL so will share with you an email reply I received from China Scam Patrol yesterday:

"Thank you for your inquiry. You are not the first to be concerned about New Life ESL which our preliminary investigation reveals the following:

* New Life ESL is an unregistered business entity in China with no rep office on record in any agency or ministry regulating foreign business operations in China. No records were found at SAFEA, SAIC, Ministry of Commerce, nor Ministry of Education.

* The website www.newlifeesl.com went on line in June of 2013 and is registered to a Brendan Gibson of Mesa, Arizona.

* New Life ESL is not licensed as an employment agency in the State of Arizona and no corporate records bear that business name.

* Mr. Derrick Yazwa purports to be the owner/operator of this business. His personal public records are available on line for $49 at the links provided below.

* The IRS has no taxpayer ID number and no Employer ID number assigned to any entity with the name of New Life ESL, and indication that no tax filings have been made of fiscal year 2013 as the filing deadline has passed.

* The "testimonials" and reviews we found online are typical for "teach in china operations" and are mostly self-generated.

* We have attempted to contact Mr. Yazwa to learn more about his online business but our efforts have been in vain and have been abandoned.

If you want a complete due diligence report on this company/individual we can provide one within 10 days for a fee. In the interim, we would urge you to be extremely cautious and wary of New Life ESL at this time.

In the future if you wish to check on a U.S.- based entity we suggest you start for free with tax and other public records shown here at
5 Ways to Find a Federal Tax ID Number - wikiHow (http://www.wikihow.com/Find-a-Federal-Tax-ID-Number) If you are checking out a China-based operation we suggest you check the various China blacklists and read this article explaining the Chinese licensing authority known as "SAIC" Finding An Honest Agent Or Recruiter In China - Mission Impossible? - ESLwatch - Information, News and School Reviews (http://eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/10556-finding-an-honest-agent-or-recruiter-in-china-mission-impossible.html)

We hope we have been helpful. Should you become a victim of any scam in China, please contact us with the details so we can help warn others who may fall into the same trap of which there are more than 380 at this time.

Best Wishes,

Jason
Public Affairs Specialist
China Scam Patrol"

I think the above speaks for itself. Mr. Yazwa only needs to post his LLC registration link to establish some effort to legitimize himself and and explain why he operates illegally in China and advises his prospects to commit visa fraud that can get teachers arrested, fined, and deported with a five year reentry ban. He claims transparency on his website so I guess now is the time to step up and demonstrate that transparency. Derrick?

aangthenomad

08-21-2014, 08:27 PM

Whip

08-21-2014, 08:30 PM

I will pass along any requests to him

Why? He's already allegedly posted here so he knows where to look. As you can plainly see, he is dodging the real issues. We don't need a shill as an alleged go between.

Beacon

08-22-2014, 06:05 AM

Hi Guys,

My name is Jordan Duncan. I’m teaching English in Suzhou right now. David Valley with China ESL is the recruiter I used and he has asked me to look at this post and a few others and talk to you about our my experience so far. Here is my facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/jordan.duncan.12935). Let me know if you need any other proof.

Jordan, thanks for your offer. In spite of the fact that I don't understand how David gave you the link to this page and can't answer anything for himself and that you by your own admission don't know naything about his business I will ask you a few questions about your post.

1. Where in Suzhou are you teaching English?
2. are there any other non native teachers there and any of which referred there by Davids company?
3. While the selfie is a current internet craze why does the above facebook page have no pictures of you anywhere outdoors in China? It even has pictures of others taking selfies and lots of ex pats and chinese people outdoors but none of you. Why? Could you perhaps take one outside your school or at a local public building with the name in the background? That would constitute simple "proof" that you are at least in China. Should take you only a few minutes to walk outside and take a selfie. Or just ten seconds if you do it leaving the school.

I’ve read up on this thread and a few other’s in the past day or so.

4 Which other threads have you read?

My experience with David has been very good so far. I have been in China for over 5 months

5 How did you get to China? And when in china how did you get to your school and apartment?

and, so far, David has followed the contract to the letter.

6. Can you scan and reproduce the contract here? No need to put in your address which you can redact your name will suffice. Make sure the other party David or his company also appears. If you cant scan it should take 30 seconds to do if you photograph it with the camera you are using for your facebook page and the above selfie. Thanks.

From what I’ve read, he has a pretty shitty reputation online and I wanted to at least add my 2 cents that he has been very good and straightforward with me.

7. How? How has he been straigforward? You don't seem to know anything at all about China esl who owns it who works for it what their background and qualifications are etc.

Before David showed me this thread, I had never heard the name 'New Life ESL.' I answered an ad for 'China ESL' and that is the company name David has used since we started.

Please ask me anything you want to know and I’ll answer as fully as I can. I’ve only dealt with David over Skype and phone calls so far; I've never met him in person. I don’t know much about his business, his coworkers / employess or other teachers he has helped. If you have any specific questions or requests for myself or David, let me know. I will answer anything to the best of my knowledge and show you any documentation I have. I will pass along any requests to him.

Jordan

8. Thanks Jordan can you answer the above and also add the background from 7 above?
Could you also provide a list of all the "documentation" you have and Ill get back to you on what I want to see?

Beacon

08-22-2014, 06:13 AM

Why? He's already allegedly posted here so he knows where to look. As you can plainly see, he is dodging the real issues. We don't need a shill as an alleged go between.

Speaking of "go betweens" and China ESL what do you make of this:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-08/27/content_11211668_2.htm

aangthenomad

08-24-2014, 08:22 AM

1. Where in Suzhou are you teaching English?

I teach at an American early education school called Romp'N'Roll. We just opened the Suzhou center about 2 months ago. They have 3 or 4 centers in Beijing and something like 50 all across China. Romp'N'Roll has an American site (https://www.rompnroll.com/) and a Chinese site (http://www.rompy.cn/) you can visit.

2. are there any other non native teachers there and any of which referred there by Davids company?

I'm the only foreign teacher at the Suzhou center, but Romp'N'Roll uses foreign teachers at all of their centers. I think the established centers usually have 2-3 foreign teachers. From what I understand, David and ChinaESL have a contract with Romp'N'Roll China. I think I may have been the first or one of the first teachers he placed with them. I don't know how many other teachers he has found for Romp'N'Roll. One of my Beijing friends has been with Romp'N'Roll for over 2 years and she told me the company recently decided to exclusively use agencies like ChinaESL to find their teachers. I'm not sure if ChinaESL is the only agency they use, but I would guess they have contracts with at least a few more companies like ChinaESL.

3. While the selfie is a current internet craze why does the above facebook page have no pictures of you anywhere outdoors in China? It even has pictures of others taking selfies and lots of ex pats and chinese people outdoors but none of you. Why? Could you perhaps take one outside your school or at a local public building with the name in the background? That would constitute simple "proof" that you are at least in China. Should take you only a few minutes to walk outside and take a selfie. Or just ten seconds if you do it leaving the school.

Gladly. I'm going to Hong Kong tomorrow for my Z visa but I will post a few pictures online when I get back.

I don't have many pictures of myself outdoors in China because I almost always travel alone when I go to other cities. I don't really like the selfie thing, so I usually just take scenery pictures or shots of architecture I like. There should be at least a few pictures of me in Shanghai around mid June; I met some Portuguese tourists and spent a few days with them. We took some group shots around Shanghai and Suzhou.

4 Which other threads have you read?

The other two links David sent me were these:

BEWARE CHINAESL--SCAM ALERT, Rebecca Tang will rip you off! | the Beijinger (http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2013/01/31/beware-chinaesl-scam-alert-rebecca-tang-will-rip-you?page=3)

and

David Valley Perpetuating China ESL Teacher Recruiting Scam - New Life ESL also suspect - ESLwatch - Information, News and School Reviews (http://eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/12159-david-valley-perpetuating-china-esl-teacher-recruiting-scam-new-life-esl-also-suspect.html)

I posted this same thing on thebeijinger thread but I didn't see any comment section or forum attached to the eslwatch article.

5 How did you get to China? And when in china how did you get to your school and apartment?

I flew to China and paid for my plane ticket. My contract lists a 7000RMB airfare bonus at the completion of a 1 year contract. When I arrived in Beijing, David arranged for a Chinese translator to meet me at the terminal and take me to a temporary apartment until they found something more permanent. I stayed there for about 3 days before they moved me to an apartment near the Llama Temple. (It was actually in the same building as the Entry and Exit Administration). The translator also helped me get setup with a Chinese cell phone, bank account and subway card, and took me to the train station to find my terminal etc when I moved to Suzhou.

6. Can you scan and reproduce the contract here? No need to put in your address which you can redact your name will suffice. Make sure the other party David or his company also appears. If you cant scan it should take 30 seconds to do if you photograph it with the camera you are using for your facebook page and the above selfie. Thanks.

I have a lot to do tonight getting ready for my Hong Kong trip tomorrow, but I will get the contract scanned and posted next week.

7. How? How has he been straigforward? You don't seem to know anything at all about China esl who owns it who works for it what their background and qualifications are etc.

He has been straightforward in that nothing he told me so far has been untrue. He has followed through with all the stipulations in our contract and has been very helpful. A few weeks after I arrived in Suzhou, I left my wallet in a taxi and wasn't able to get it back (I foolishly hadn't taken the taxi receipt). After I setup a new bank account, he advanced me 2000RMB from my first paycheck to hold me over.

Frankly, I never thought to ask who owns his company or about his other employees. When you get a job in America, do you ask for the name of the CEO and your future coworkers before they hire you? It simply didn't occur to me. This was my first experience teaching in China. I had heard there were some scams and predatory agents, but I did my best to research the things I need and ask as many questions as I could. David was always very clear with me and never danced around any questions. I felt pretty safe going in and I have been careful not to let anyone take advantage of me and not to agree to anything that I'm not comfortable with.

8. Thanks Jordan can you answer the above and also add the background from 7 above?
Could you also provide a list of all the "documentation" you have and Ill get back to you on what I want to see?

I think the contract is probably the only documentation I have. I know I have a copy of the contract before and after I signed it on my GoogleDrive, but maybe I can find something else that would be helpful. Is there anything specific I can provide? I'll look through my drive when I get back from Hong Kong and see what else I have.

aangthenomad

08-24-2014, 09:06 AM

Well I just posted (or thought I did? Maybe I accidently closed the window on the 'Preview' screen...) a long response to all of your questions Beacon, but now I can't seem to find it on here or on my account history. Does this site have some kind of hidden delay for posting? As is, it's 10pm and I need to wake up at 7am to head to Shanghai and catch a plane to Hong Kong tomorrow. I will answer everything when I have more time later in the week. Sorry for the delay. Here are a few short answers until I have more time.

1.) I work at a new Romp'N'Roll in Suzhou.
??????? - ??????????????? (http://www.rompy.cn/)
https://www.rompnroll.com/

2.) I am the only foreign teacher at my center but Romp'N'Roll uses foreign teachers in all of their centers. They have something like 50 centers across China. ChinaESL has a contract with Romp'N'Roll China to find teachers for them.

3.) I don't like selfies and I travel alone, so I usually just take pictures of scenery and buildings. I will post some pictures of me at my center when I get back from Hong Kong.

4.) BEWARE CHINAESL--SCAM ALERT, Rebecca Tang will rip you off! | the Beijinger (http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2013/01/31/beware-chinaesl-scam-alert-rebecca-tang-will-rip-you)

David Valley Perpetuating China ESL Teacher Recruiting Scam - New Life ESL also suspect - ESLwatch - Information, News and School Reviews (http://eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/12159-david-valley-perpetuating-china-esl-teacher-recruiting-scam-new-life-esl-also-suspect.html)

5.) I paid for my plane ticket and will get a 7000RMB airfare bonus at the end of my contract. David had a translator meet me at the airport and take me to a temporary apartment when I arrived. She also helped me get a Chinese cellphone, a bank account and a subway card.

6.) I will post my contract when i get back from Hong Kong.

7.) Everything in my contract has been done so far. He hasn't lied to me or danced around any questions. I never asked about who owns his company or who else works there because it never occurred to me. When you get a job in America, do you ask about the CEO or your future coworkers? I just never really thought about it I guess.

I need to get ready for my trip tomorrow, but I will post more when i get back to Suzhou. If the other post shows up, I'm sorry for this duplicate!

Frankly My Dear...

08-25-2014, 09:07 AM

Have a nice trip to Suzhou. Check back with us at the end of your contract with Rebecca who still has never explained why she had to change the name of her company 5 times in order to keep doing business in China and get ads posted online. FYI... "Total ESL" was one of her many aliases and take a look at this which I am cutting and pasting from eslcafe.com:

My agent told me it was normal you work on an L visa during the "probationary period" when they recruited me under one of their many aliases "Total ESL" and within six months I was caught, arrested, fined and deported. They will say whatever you need to hear to sign a fricking contract. David Valley should be banned from China for telling people to break the law.

Lately this Dave Valley fellow has claimed to be the new owner of China ESL (at eslwatch.info) and that all the problems below were the doing of one HR girl who he terminated. Unfortunately however, some of the below links go back to 2007! Lastly, today I checked with the Beijing SAIC licensing office and there is no "David Valley" name appearing on any China ESL registration files - only the original 2006 owner: Dr. Rebecca Tang.

BEWARE CHINAESL--SCAM ALERT, Rebecca Tang will rip you off! | the Beijinger (http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2013/01/31/beware-chinaesl-scam-alert-rebecca-tang-will-rip-you)

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=609652

http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3269

[message deleted by author] | the Beijinger (http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2013/07/01/beware-chinaesl-rebecca-tang)

http://www.realscam.com/f8/beware-china-esl-rebecca-tang-china-tesol-foreign-teacher-esl-tefl-scam-recruiters-3186/

httP://rebeccatangchinaesl.blogspot.com

Job Discussion Forums :: View topic - ChinaESL, is this a real offer? (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=87544&highlight=chinaesl+katherine)

ESL Jobs Forum - View topic - China ESL Scam - Rebecca Tang - Petition To Justice Minister (http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=13169)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-08/27/content_11211668_2.htm

China ESL & Rebecca Tang Changing Names - Use Blacklist For Info - ESLwatch - Information, News and School Reviews (http://eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/7723-china-esl-rebecca-tang-changing-names-use-blacklist-for-info.html)

Job Discussion Forums :: View topic - ChinaESL ??? (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=90695&highlight=chinaesl+katherine)

SCAM WARNING: Rebecca Tang, ChinaESL, RIP OFF - China School & Recruiter Review - ESL Jobs China (http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic2205-scam-warning-rebecca-tang-chinaesl-rip-off.aspx)

Money Talks For Rebecca Tang & China ESL of Beijing - Scam! - ESLwatch - Information, News and School Reviews (http://eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-recruiters-review-in-china/7150-webb-international.html)

https://newlifeeslscam.wordpress.com/

Wolf Watch | Keeping The Sheep Safe 24/7 (http://worldwolfwatch.wordpress.com)

Job Discussion Forums :: View topic - ChinaESL (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=105935)

Do you know anything about Chinaesl? | the Beijinger (http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2008/10/23/do-you-know-anything-about-chinaesl?page=4)

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/02/25/dumb-question-why-china-esl-allowed-advertise-expat-web-sites

China Teachers Alliance | Exposing China Foreign Teacher Scams (http://chinateachersalliance.wordpress.com)

The TEFL Blacklist (http://teflblacklist.blogspot.com)

SCAM ALERTS (http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/scamalerts/index.pl)

Keep your distance from Rebecca Tang, ChinaESL | the Beijinger (http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2013/12/07/keep-your-distance-rebecca-tang-chinaesl)

International Scam Warning - China School & Recruiter Review - ESL Jobs China (http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic15-international-scam-warning.aspx#post4409)

Last but not least, check out the illegal contract that China ESL uses to sign up teachers. This sucker is outrageous!

Chinese School Principals Now Millionaires? - China Business Central - Open Salon (http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2013/02/21/chinese_school_principals_now_millionaires)

Considering the above history of China ESL, I frankly must say that your comments are taken with a grain of salt. But hey, who knows maybe you will be the first happy customer of China ESL - paid or otherwise, it really doesn't matter at this point after so much expat carnage. Rebecca and David both belong behind bars without telephone or internet access or they will just keep scamming away.

littleroundman

08-25-2014, 10:00 AM

Does this site have some kind of hidden delay

It's part of the forum software anti spammer features.

New members' first 5 posts are placed in a queue for moderation if they contain links or email addresses to prevent fly-by spammers filling the forum with their (usually badly) disguised referral links and/or links to malicious websites.

Whip

08-25-2014, 11:57 AM

Still trying to figure out why a shill is here and not the original scammer coming back and answering the real questions and providing the proof requested.

Beacon

08-26-2014, 06:54 PM

I teach at an American early education school called Romp'N'Roll. We just opened the Suzhou center about 2 months ago. They have 3 or 4 centers in Beijing and something like 50 all across China. Romp'N'Roll has an American site (https://www.rompnroll.com/) ...
.... From what I understand, David and ChinaESL have a contract with Romp'N'Roll China. ... One of my Beijing friends has been with Romp'N'Roll for over 2 years and she told me the company recently decided to exclusively use agencies like ChinaESL to find their teachers..

That I find difficult to believe since the link you provided says they recruit directly.

Teach in China | International Teaching Jobs at Romp n' Roll (http://rompnroll.com/chinajobs/faqs)

For immediate consideration, please forward your resume to Kate Troidl, Assistant Training Director, Romp n' Roll China.
All Romp n' Roll locations in China are independently owned and operated franchisees of Beijing Rui You Ming Management & Consulting Co., Ltd

I flew to China and paid for my plane ticket. My contract lists a 7000RMB airfare bonus at the completion of a 1 year contract.-

Also odd since your above link says

Will the company pay for my flight to China?
Yes. The cost of the flight to China and the flight back to the United States after the one-year commitment has been satisfied is covered by Beijing Rui You Ming Management & Consulting Co., Ltd.

That management company according to your own reference is the sole sub agent and ther is no question of "agencies like ESLChina" being used to recruit

e have been changing the lives of children in the United States since 2004 and opened our first location in China in June 2010. Our locations in China are independently owned and operated under license by Beijing Rui You Ming Management & Consulting Co., Ltd.

Which begs the question what was to stop you just applying directly to Rompnroll? I mean why was David or ChinaESL needed in the first place when anyone can just apply directly? Why should anyone bother using Valley?

The US site is registered to Barnett, Michael
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 5508 Bosworth Place
Registrant City: Glen Allen
Registrant State/Province: VA
Registrant Postal Code: 23059

aangthenomad

08-29-2014, 01:54 AM

That I find difficult to believe since the link you provided says they recruit directly.

David told me they had just signed the contract with Romp'N'Roll a week or two prior to my being hired, which was in March 2014. I know (from one of the senior teachers in Beijing) that before this contract, Romp'N'Roll had a policy of ONLY hiring directly. My guess is they simply haven't updated their website? Not sure on that one. You can always contract Romp'N'Roll directly and verify with them. I think (though I'm not sure, just guessing basically) that the reason Romp'N'Roll decided to use agencies is because it saves them a significant amount of time and money.

I've heard stories of some of the terrible interviews the Beijing HQ had to deal with in the past and some of the travel expenses they had to swallow for completely worthless candidates. I think ChinaESL probably covers some of these costs now, and deals with the time consuming process of screening candidates before they get to China. When I arrived in Beijing, I only had 1 short interview with Romp'N'Roll before they told me to start training the next day. They had already seen almost all of my information via ChinaESL so the process was much easier.

Also odd since your above link says "Will the company pay for my flight to China? Yes. The cost of the flight to China and the flight back to the United States after the one-year commitment has been satisfied is covered by Beijing Rui You Ming Management & Consulting Co., Ltd."

Again, I'm pretty sure this information is old and outdated, although the process is the same with ChinaESL. The company doesn't pay for your flight; they REIMBURSE YOU for your flight AFTER you work for 1 full year. They aren't going to spend 600$ on every person that they want to interview, after all.

That management company according to your own reference is the sole sub agent and ther is no question of "agencies like ESLChina" being used to recruit

I have no idea what the 'Beijing Rui You Ming Management and Consulting Co' is or what they do. I know that ruiyouming305 was the wifi password at the Beijing headquarters, so they probably have something to do with staffing and setting up the offices in the Beijing centers. I'm completely guessing; you would have to contact Romp'N'Roll directly and ask them about it. You can find their contact information on their websites.

But the sentence "Our locations in China are independently owned and operated under license by Beijing Rui You Ming Management & Consulting Co., Ltd." doesn't at all mean that Beijing Rui You Ming wouldn't use another company to find foreigner employees.

If you are interested in contacting Romp'N'Roll China directly to verify anything I'm saying, here is the contact page from their website: Romp'N'Roll China Contact Info (http://www.rompy.cn/rompycenter/Contact.shtml)

Here is a link to the specific center in Beijing that I trained at, called DaZhongSi (Google translates that as Beijing Bell Temple Center). This was always referred to as the 'Headquarters' so I think this is basically the homebase for all of Romp'N'Roll China.

Beijing DaZhongSi Center (http://www.rompy.cn/default/s/1)

Which begs the question what was to stop you just applying directly to Rompnroll? I mean why was David or ChinaESL needed in the first place when anyone can just apply directly? Why should anyone bother using Valley?

There was nothing to stop me from simply applying to Romp'N'Roll directly. Before I talked to David, I had never heard of the company. But I most definitely could have contacted them directly after he told me about their Chinese schools and applied that way. I felt like that would have been a pretty dishonest and mean thing to do, after going through several skype interviews with David and having him help me through the process for a few weeks.

Now that Romp'N'Roll China has changed their recruitment methods, it's possible they wouldn't allow someone to apply directly. There are several process they don't do anymore, like arranging visas, securing housing for teachers and tracking travel arrangements. My guess is that Romp'N'Roll would simply tell you to contact David or possibly another agency they do business with (I don't know if they use other agencies, but I would guess they use a few others).

Personally, I'm glad I used an agency. It's been nice having a little extra piece of mind, knowing I have someone else in China that can help me in bad situations, like the aforementioned wallet-losing episode. It's also pretty nice for my job; the agency serves as a middle man between myself and the school, so they can help me get time off when I need it or deal with other issues at the school.

I need to get back to work now and prepare a class for some babies. I uploaded a few pictures of the office here in Suzhou and from Hong Kong from my phone, but most are on my camera at home. I'll upload the rest to facebook tonite. Here is my Facebook profile again. https://www.facebook.com/jordan.duncan.12935

Beacon

09-01-2014, 05:01 AM

David told me they had just signed the contract with Romp'N'Roll a week or two prior to my being hired, which was in March 2014. ... When I arrived in Beijing, I only had 1 short interview with Romp'N'Roll before they told me to start training the next day. They had already seen almost all of my information via ChinaESL so the process was much easier.
..

Again, I'm pretty sure this information is old and outdated, although the process is the same with ChinaESL. The company doesn't pay for your flight; they REIMBURSE YOU for your flight AFTER you work for 1 full year. They aren't going to spend 600$ on every person that they want to interview, after all.
...

There was nothing to stop me from simply applying to Romp'N'Roll directly. Before I talked to David, I had never heard of the company. But I most definitely could have contacted them directly after he told me about their Chinese schools and applied that way. I felt like that would have been a pretty dishonest and mean thing to do, after going through several skype interviews with David and having him help me through the process for a few weeks.

From China - ESLwatch - Information, News and School Reviews (http://eslwatch.info/china-2.html)

" I charge no fees to place you with a teaching job." In realty the recruiter collects up to 50% of your intended salary direcctly from the school who will never tell you what your salary would have been had you applied directly since the Principal will collect a kick-back from the agent/recruiter.

given you dont like dishonesty would you consider it dishonest if David is providing a service you don't need and is taking 50% of your salary for doing it?

So what you can do is apply directly yourself (maybe under another name) or go to the HQ of the company and say you have a friend who wishes to apply and ask them what they pay. Dont go top your own school principal as he may be involved in the kick back payment.

Then you can apply for a job with RompnRoll and terminate your contract with David and tell them they can keep the travel money and then you can have double your salary. I charge nothing for telling you this.

Id suggest you correspond with www.ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org

nomaxim

09-01-2014, 11:17 AM

Id suggest you correspond with www.ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.orgI'd recommend caution with that website.

For one, they have no contact information on their website. And the WhoIs shows a private registration with 'Domains by Proxy' on 26AUG2012. The website is not even two years old.
ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org WHOIS, DNS, & Domain Info - DomainTools (http://whois.domaintools.com/chinaforeignteachersunion.org)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/Oolam/cftu1_zps8fc14aa4.png (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/Oolam/media/cftu1_zps8fc14aa4.png.html)
Basically, no idea who runs that website.

Per Alexa (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/chinaforeignteachersunion.org) the websites traffic is almost non-existent.
Note: It is hosted by Google in the US.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/Oolam/cftu3_zpsd628608b.png (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/Oolam/media/cftu3_zpsd628608b.png.html)

The websites own 'blog achieve' shows a total of 27 articles posted since AUG2012, 26 of these were between AUG and DEC 2012.
No articles were posted in 2013 and only one article was posted this year, in JAN.
So the website has only been updated once in over a year and a half.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/Oolam/cftu4_zps6e357067.png (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/Oolam/media/cftu4_zps6e357067.png.html)

It appears that the main website for this group is actually http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com (http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com/).
At least this is updated more often. Registered the same day as the .org website and also uses 'Domains by Proxy.
GoDaddy WhoIs (http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?domain=chinaforeignteachersunion.com&prog_id=GoDaddy) but has no traffic rating with Alexa (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/chinaforeignteachersunion.com).
In fact, they have a interesting article at chinaforeignteachersunion.com/search/label/bj80.com (http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com/search/label/bj80.com) about someone named 'Jordan' dated 11 days before a 'Jordan' posted here.

Oddly, much of the information in regards to these matters is coming from websites(blogs) that were registered in late 2012 using 'Domains by Proxy' through GoDaddy and hosted by Google in Mountain View, CA.

WhoIs for chinaforeignteachersunion.org (http://whois.domaintools.com/chinaforeignteachersunion.org) registered 26AUG2012.
WhoIs for chinaforeignteachersunion.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/chinaforeignteachersunion.com) registered 26AUG2012.
WhoIs for cleverchinacheaters.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/cleverchinacheaters.com) registered 26AUG2012.
WhoIs for chinascampatrol.org (http://whois.domaintools.com/chinascampatrol.org) registered 7NOV2012
WhoIs for chinascamcentral.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/chinascamcentral.com) registered 19NOV2012.
WhoIs for globalblacklist.org (http://whois.domaintools.com/globalblacklist.org) registered 27NOV2012.
WhoIs for chinascambusters.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/chinascambusters.com) registered 16DEC2012.
WhoIs for chinascampatrol.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/chinascampatrol.com) registered 16DEC2012.

IMO these websites are being operated by the same individual(s). These websites also often cross reference each other not only on their own sites but also at other blogs and forums as well, like here at RS. Basically, I consider any information from these websites to be from the same source.
And who knows how many other websites they have.

Perhaps a better recommendation for aangthenomad (Jordan) (http://www.realscam.com/members/aangthenomad/) would be to just go to the nearest US Embassy (http://www.usembassy.gov/) for assistance.
Or maybe the nearest police station and turn himself in as a possible illegal undocumented worker.
The Chinese would most likely just deport him back to the US, after a period of questioning that is.

PS
I wouldn't be at all shocked if the CFTU .org website suddenly gets a bunch of new blog entries.

Beacon

09-04-2014, 04:55 AM

I'd recommend caution with that website.

Ill stand corrected in my haste and should have reviewed them more. their legal and visa advice does I did wonder about them being the only union in communist China??

Luciachan

09-15-2014, 02:11 AM

Stumbled on this post when I saw a job ad on indeed, posted in toronto sounded to good to be true, seems David Valley has a new business Valley organization.. You may want to add that to your list

littleroundman

09-15-2014, 04:58 AM

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/4328/c4aK9c.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7jzGwUheTs4

Beacon

09-15-2014, 08:58 AM

wery little info available on the URL Valley Organization (http://www.valleyorganization.com) the IP address seems to slip into a black hole and a route cant be traced to it.

Dave's Eslcafe who advertises it

No Degree or Experience required, ESL teachers needed in Beijing (http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/china/index.cgi?read=33007)

fares better

Domain Name: ESLCAFE.COM
Registry Domain ID:
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Registrar URL: Website Design and Hosting | Domains | Website Builder | NetworkSolutions.com (http://networksolutions.com)
Updated Date: 2014-06-23T00:00:00Z
Creation Date: 1996-06-24T00:00:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: Sun Jun 23 00:00:00 EDT 2024T00:00:00Z
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Registrar IANA ID: 2
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@web.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8003337680
Reseller:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: ESL Cafe
Registrant Organization: ESL Cafe
Registrant Street: 4876 Escobedo Dr.
Registrant City: Woodland Hills
Registrant State/Province: CA
Registrant Postal Code: 91364
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.8183475612
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.9999999999
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: sperling@PACIFICNET.NET
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Sperling, David
Admin Organization: ESL Cafe
Admin Street: 4876 ESCOBEDO DR
Admin City: WOODLAND HLS
Admin State/Province: CA
Admin Postal Code: 91364-4536
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: (818) 347-5612
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: 999 999 9999
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: sperling@PACIFICNET.NET
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: Administrator, Domain Domain
Tech Organization: Creative Thought, Inc.
Tech Street: 214 Main Street #374
Tech City: El Segundo
Tech State/Province: CA
Tech Postal Code: 90245
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: +1.3109431968
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax: +1.8184642799
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: support@cthought.com
Name Server: NS1.CTHOUGHT.COM
Name Server: NS2.CTHOUGHT.COM
DNSSEC: not signed
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 13:10:25 UTC <<<

Which got a very bad review here
The TEFL Blacklist: Dave's ESL Cafe (http://teflblacklist.blogspot.com/2007/01/daves-esl-cafe.html)

Mind you that was in 2007/8 and while questionable the eslcafe site seems legit.

nomaxim

09-15-2014, 05:55 PM

Stumbled on this post when I saw a job ad on indeed, posted in toronto sounded to good to be true, seems David Valley has a new business Valley organization.. You may want to add that to your list

Interesting, the previous FB and Twitter accounts seem to have been deleted;

David Valleys' Valley.Internatonal.Organization (https://www.facebook.com/Valley.International.Organization) page on Facebook
David Valley @davidjvalley (https://twitter.com/davidjvalley) on Twitter

He's still using;
Valley Organization (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Valley-Organization/657441674300569) on Facebook. Active since 29DEC2013.
@valleyorg (https://twitter.com/valleyorg) on Twitter

nomaxim

09-15-2014, 06:34 PM

wery little info available on the URL Valley Organization (http://www.valleyorganization.com) the IP address seems to slip into a black hole and a route cant be traced to it.I got ValleyOrganization.com WHOIS, DNS, & Domain Info - DomainTools (http://whois.domaintools.com/valleyorganization.com):
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/Oolam/valleyorganization1_zpse09d9b64.png (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/Oolam/media/valleyorganization1_zpse09d9b64.png.html)Besides it having a private registration it is a WIX.com (http://www.wix.com/) site.
WIX is a free/cheap website design/hosting service.
The IP appears to be run through (or may actually be hosted at) DDoS Attack Protection | Defense.net for Protection from DDoS Attacks (http://www.defense.net/) in Austin Texas. That's likely why you can't trace it.

nomaxim

09-15-2014, 08:27 PM

Which got a very bad review here
The TEFL Blacklist: Dave's ESL Cafe (http://teflblacklist.blogspot.com/2007/01/daves-esl-cafe.html)

Mind you that was in 2007/8 and while questionable the eslcafe site seems legit.
I broke this into separate post since it somewhat relates to another matter.

Very interesting link there, absolutely fascinating actually.
Did you notice the date of the article (6JAN2007) and the deleted Wiki article cited (deleted 17JAN2007)?

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/Oolam/valleyorganization2_zpsbbf86d40.png (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/Oolam/media/valleyorganization2_zpsbbf86d40.png.html)

Anyway, I looked for the missing Wiki page and found this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam/2007 Archive Jan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam/2007_Archive_Jan), it appears about half-way down the page;
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/Oolam/valleyorganization3_zpsdb442d69.png (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/Oolam/media/valleyorganization3_zpsdb442d69.png.html)First off, Dave's ESL Cafe's url is Eslcafe.com (WhoIs) (http://whois.domaintools.com/eslcafe.com). So those two pages were about the same topic. (Double post and/or spamming in forum speak)

Second, TEFLWatch is TEFLWatch.org, a website/forum that started in early 2006 and appears to have gone offline in late 2008. Interestingly, teflblacklist.blogspot.com (http://teflblacklist.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00:00:00%2B08:00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00:00:00%2B08:00&max-results=50) also hasn't been updated since late 2008.

Third, the actual subject header at Wiki is 'WikiProject Spam- Teaching English as a second language -- spambait articles' and there was a edit war ongoing on the 'Dave's ESL Cafe' page. This was all flagged on 10/11JAN2007, 4-5 days after the article at The TEFL Blacklist: Dave's ESL Cafe (http://teflblacklist.blogspot.com/2007/01/daves-esl-cafe.html) appeared.

Needless to say, all three pages were deleted by 21JAN2007.
No discussion about deleting the 'ESLCafe' or 'Dave's ESL Cafe' pages.
A discussion took place in regards to deleting the 'TEFLWatch' page, that can be read at Articles_for_deletion/TEFLWatch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/TEFLWatch)

A few of the acronyms used in the above deletion comments;
WP:WEB (Notability) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28web%29) applied to all three Wiki pages.

Applying only to TEFLWatch;
WP:RS (Identifying reliable sources) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources).
WP:V (Verifiability) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability).

NOTE
Absolutely no hackers were involved in the removal of these three Wiki pages.

stark

09-27-2014, 12:45 AM

1) This is a free WordPress site that absolutely anyone could put up in a matter of minutes and the person has HORRIBLE English skills and doesn't even supply a real name. This is clearly not someone who would ever be hired to teach English in China. If you choose to believe this over the dozens of reviews we have from real teachers we've placed on our FB page, video testimonials we have on our YouTube, and the many teachers we have that are more than willing to talk to new applicants about our service - then I don't know what to tell you. This page appears to us to have been put up by a competitor trying to damage our reputation, perhaps someone linked to you? I have no idea who you are and you even managed to spell my name completely incorrectly on your post on another website, so I don't think you have any idea who I am or what my company actually does either.

2) We are a business registered in Hong Kong. We recruit people from all over the world and send them over to schools we trust and work with in China. These schools are licensed and have all the appropriate documentation necessary that teachers can verify.

3) We do not have a physical office. As I said, we work with people all over the world and the only way to do this is using Skype and other tools of the modern world. This is the way ESL recruiting is done in many markets throughout the world and it's not unique to our business.

I tried to research David Valley and Craig Hill online and I can't find any trace of them. On the other hand, we use our real names, our real Skype handles, and I regularly talk to teachers on my personal FB page. We aren't hiding anything here, so you can stop the witch hunt now. Thanks.

Yeah, my english is not the best, but not the worst. I never came back with proofs because I have a lots of conversations with Derrick so it's hard to sort them, but I also have my visa and a contract from you. And I will add that what I wrote there what I wrote after 36 house of no sleep and no food, because I was like a fugitive in China for this time because of you, and after I
"escaped", and left China I wrote that in the airport. I was so furious.... so it's understandable. But because I was accepted with my poor english by New Life Esl, this prooves that for you it does not matter the quality of the teachers, because you only want to scam people.
And by the way, I have the invitation letter too. And if you insist I will post them!
SCAMMERS!
And if you insist seriously , my embassy knows about this case, because they helped to leave China!!!!

stark

09-27-2014, 01:03 AM

This is Derrick and I'm one of the owners of New Life ESL. This thread is completely inaccurate. We have no relation to China ESL. We do not work with Rebecca Tang, and we don't have any idea who David Valley is.

We are an independent recruiting agency owned by three Americans and have zero connections to these people. Please do not post inaccurate information about our company. I have no idea where you go this nonsense from, but it's not correct.

We have a bunch of reviews from teachers we've placed on our FB page, YouTube testimonial videos, and a whole bunch of teachers that would be happy to talk to any new applicants about who we are and what we do. Stop posting lies please.

I can be contacted directly at Derrick@NewLifeESL.com if you want to speak to me about any of this. Thanks!

Yeah Derrick, you don't work with Rebecca, you say, but do you remeber these mails?
"Derrick Yazwa
Către
Eu
25 apr
Hey Daniel,

Yes, Rebecca Tang is our partner. She's really great and has your house
ready for you guys!
"

"Derrick Yazwa
Către
Eu
12 Iun
Daniel,

As I said, when I sent you to Rebecca, I had no idea there were any
problems. We had sent MANY teachers to her before and never had a
problem.

I had talked to many of our teachers we sent her that were very happy. A
few of them made testimonial videos for us and gave us stellar reviews.
So, I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't lie to you or scam you.

I can't do anything with you, because I can't trust you at all. You are
a liar who has repeatedly lied to me, and you are a vindictive person
who cares little about what you do to others. Karma will come back to "

And I have many more from you...you liar, untill now you told me that you didn't knew what is she doing, but you admitted that you work with her, and now you deny that you work with her...that prooves to me that you knew from the start!

If anyone wants more proofs, please post your email here and I will forward the emails from Derrick to you!
Let's see what you have to say now Derrick!

Frankly My Dear...

10-07-2014, 09:11 PM

Beacon is right, this fly by night New Life ESL only tells you what they want you to know and never answers your questions. It is October, 2014 and they still have no license to operate a business in Arizona or China. SCAM! Also note that TOTALESL.com is yet another ChinaESL front company and all six of them were outed at the Beijinger about 2 years ago.

Tank

10-08-2014, 06:55 PM

This Valley guy has no shame. Even after all the bad press he is getting on line, he is STILL telling China teacher applicants to come work in China illegally without a Z visa. I pretended to be interested in a teaching job and after exchanging two emails, he called me "for a interview" - with himself - not any school. When I told him I did not have a university degree which is another legal requirement to teach in China he said "Don't worry I can get you one for $500!" This guy is slime.

stark

10-09-2014, 11:10 AM

Hy guys.
I'm the owner of https://newlifeeslscam.wordpress.com/ blog. I forgot to specify that Derick told me not to tell the chinese authorities that I will come there to work..I WONDER why's that, if everything is legal? And after what happened to Rebecca he told me hat is not working with her anymore, but with other people, and after I checked them, I saw the same reputiation's as Rebecca's."A few of the schools we work with are Best Learning and Easy English."
I also post my invitation letter for the visa...

8483

And if you search that company's phone number on the internet you will find this company: ChinaESL|Chinese visa|Chinese visa application|Chinese visa form|Visa Beijing|Visa service center|Visa service|Foreigner visa|Z visa|F visa|Visa extension|Provide visa|Chinese Working visa|Chinese Business visa|L to F (http://www.chinaesl.com.cn/visa.htm)
A company that obtain visa's..everything make sense now how they can obtain you the visa with 500$.:))

Tank

11-08-2014, 09:18 AM

UPDATE ON DERRICK YAZWA and New Life ESL...

I see you rented a virtual office in Hong Kong to give yourself a China"presence"

New Life ESL - 20th Floor, Central Tower, 28 Queen's Road, Central, Hong Kong Info@NewLifeESL.com

See: https://www.propertysales.com/Listin...tral-Hong-Kong and

Serviced Office To Let 20th Floor, Central Tower, 28 Queen's ...

www.propertysales.com/Listing/20th-Floor-Central...Rent a Serviced Offices in 20th Floor, Central Tower, 28 Queen's Road Central, Central, Hong Kong

But you still have no business license in China nor America to legally offer any HR nor agency services and IRS says you have no EIN (taxpayer identification number) registered to New Life ESL. More importantly, you are STILL telling people to work in Shandong (China) illegally without a Z visa.

Why is it so hard for you to be honest and legit and get licensed, pay taxes, and open a real office in Phoenix where you live and can be legally accountable for what you do?

See Home - ESLwatch - Information, News and School Reviews (http://eslwatch.info) and CFTU comments about NewLifeESL.com - a fly by night operator in every sense of the word.

Frankly My Dear...

11-09-2014, 03:03 AM

Seattle

11-15-2014, 08:02 PM

The proverbial **** finally hit the fan at China ESL a.k.a. New Life ESL and they are now embroiled in sting operation to keep their ass out of jail. See this here:

Scam Alert! New World ESL is a Govt. Sting Targeting China Foreign Teachers & ESL - TEFL Job Recruiters - Blogs - RealScam.com - Is it, or isn't it? You Decide. (http://www.realscam.com/blogs/frankly-my-dear-/566-scam-alert-new-world-esl-govt-sting-targeting-china-foreign-teachers-esl-tefl-job-recruiters.html)

Yes, it does appear that Derrick is helping over fifty foreign teachers busted and deported in China. And although we cannot be sure is his "cooperation" is voluntary or coerced, anyone who signed up with or through him is now at risk. Read here Warning for All New Life ESL & China ESL China Foreign Teachers - Urgent | the Beijinger (http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/11/08/warning-all-new-life-esl-china-esl-china-foreign-teachers-urgent)
And this IMHO is not a photo of someone I would trust (Derrick Yazwa) See his smile here:

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20141110075015AANaFXI

http://obamawatches.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Pinocchio-2.jpeg

littleroundman

11-16-2014, 09:45 AM

And this IMHO is not a photo of someone I would trust (Derrick Yazwa) See his smile here:

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20141110075015AANaFXI (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20141110075015AANaFXI)

http://imageshack.com/a/img908/9216/gdpDto.jpg

littleroundman

11-16-2014, 09:50 AM

Yes, it does appear that Derrick is helping over fifty foreign teachers busted and deported in China. And although we cannot be sure is his "cooperation" is voluntary or coerced, anyone who signed up with or through him is now at risk. Read here Warning for All New Life ESL & China ESL China Foreign Teachers - Urgent | the Beijinger (http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/11/08/warning-all-new-life-esl-china-esl-china-foreign-teachers-urgent)

http://imageshack.com/a/img673/673/si0UQ6.jpg

nomaxim

11-16-2014, 01:46 PM

Some of this info is 4-5 years old.

The Chinese deported around 10,000 illegal immigrants in 2009. I can only assume that this number has gone up since then. Total numbers of illegal immigrants in China are unknown. But, there are estimated to be around 100,000 illegal immigrants from Africa in Guangzhou alone. Also, 5-10,000 or so crossing over the Vietnamese border per year and even some crossing over from Mongolia. Interestingly, the Chinese appear to have stopped any and all illegal immigrants coming from North Korea.

The PSB is the Chinese equivalent of ICE (http://www.ice.gov/) here in the US. The Chinese police offer 100 RMB ($16 USD) for information on illegal immigrants that leads to deportation. And just like in many other countries if you get caught with fake/forged documents you will be charged with a crime and have to pay a fine and/or serve time in jail before being deported. The EU passed a law a back in 2007-8 that allows member states to hold illegals in detention camps for up to 18 months before deportation. I haven't found that anyone has actually been held for that long.

Here in the US any business that employs illegals can be fined up to $5,000 USD (30,600 RMB) per illegal worker. Yet, the US still has an estimated 10-20 million illegals (the US deported over 400,000 last year). The EU has similar penalties.

If you are in a country illegally your options are rather limited. You can take a pro-active stance and get your paper work in order or you can leave said country. Your other option is to just keep hiding and hope you don't get caught.

Sources;
Out of Africa and into China, immigrants struggle | Reuters (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2009/08/21/uk-friction-china-africans-idUKTRE57K27U20090821?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0)
Life of Guangzhou - Illegal Foreigners Cleared Away during Asian Games (http://www.lifeofguangzhou.com/node_10/node_37/node_84/2010/08/18/128210399779463.shtml)
Venezuela's Chavez Threatens to Deny Oil, Investments to EU Over Immigration Laws | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/06/19/venezuela-chavez-threatens-to-deny-oil-investments-to-eu-over-immigration-laws/)
Illegal immigration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration)
Penalties for Employers Hiring Illegal Immigrants | LegalMatch Law Library (http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/penalties-for-employers-hiring-illegal-immigrants.html)
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/european_migration_network/reports/docs/ad-hoc-queries/illegal-immigration/530_emn_ahq_penalties_for_employing_illegal_worker s_05march2014_wider_dissemination.pdf
U.S. deportations of immigrants reach record high in 2013 | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/02/u-s-deportations-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/)

Figures given in some of the posts on this topic here at RS suggest around 30,000 foreign teachers in China, about half (15,000) are estimated to be there illegally. Per China sees number of teachers grow - Xinhua | English.news.cn (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2013-09/09/c_132705547.htm) the total number of teachers in China was 14.6 million in 2009.
Foreign teachers make up about 0.2%.