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ribshaw
12-06-2013, 11:26 AM
One of the things the internet has ushered in is the U-TUBE GURU who claims to have an answer to all of your financial ills. Most of what I have seen in my short time online is a recruiting type scheme. A person puts up a video, maybe a website like AlanSills.com | Adding value and support for the entrepreneur and small business professional (http://www.alansills.com), then tells you about a great deal, for a fee you can get in. Of course they earn a commission from your entry into the program. The actual program itself seems almost secondary, just has to sound good.

In these two videos Al Sills promotes his affiliate link to the Elevation Group. Those who have read these pages know all about Forex Scams and returns of 100%+, in fact anyone who has been around knows if it sounds to good to be true, it is. I will save the reader the suspense of how it turned out, but think a train wreck meets your wallet.

One of the things an astute reader will notice is the absence of negative or skeptical comments on many of the videos. All aces as they say, but here is the not so secret trick. The people who manage these channels simply delete and block anyone who dares question their great opportunities. Al has blocked several friends of mine from his U-Tube Channel, so as they say, it is time for home court advantage.

I am left asking several questions... Is this person qualified to evaluate business opportunities? Does this person think these are legitimate businesses opportunities? Does this person know they are promoting scams and not care? Or does this person, know a good thing and only want to get you in on the deal?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIbBxVeqA3k

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One of my favorite sites on all thing Scammy, with a tip of the hat to the foul mouthed fake robot.


The Salty Droid – Suits vs Prophets (http://saltydroid.info/suits-vs-prophets/)



“During the relevant period, IIC and Pousa have accepted at least $53,000,000 from an estimated 1,500 investors in the United States, Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands and Singapore. They have done so by using emails and sophisticated internet webcasts, and webinars sent directly to investors via their websites… Pousa has also solicited investors for his fraudulent scheme through a third-party website called The Elevation Group …

In May 2012, investors learned that Pousa’s offering was a massive fraud.”

ribshaw
12-06-2013, 11:30 AM
The video is more of the same blather, with the same reference to the "referral link". What I think is more important is the screen shot of below the video. 100% returns. LMAO!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhDScRNdT-0

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ribshaw
12-06-2013, 11:39 AM
Alan Sills is a VERY heavy promoter and apologist in chief for Banners Broker. Quite a few folks both on and off this site have done work exposing Banners Broker and now Rippln. Both threads here are excellent reading on the types of scams that proliferate on the internet.

http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/

http://www.realscam.com/f9/rippln-pyramid-scheme-mlm-fun-game-you-decide-2241/

ribshaw
12-06-2013, 11:56 AM
A lot of good information on the web, including an awesome thread linked below on one Dinar Scam. I am all for asking questions, but who do you go to for advice and how do things turn out. If someone is asking you to "go in to business with them" do you know where they are getting their information? Almost all thing Iraqi Dinar Revaluation related have proved 100% false.

Dinar RV Value - Treasury Dollars Ready - Post By Tom Gambill - Dinar Recaps (http://www.dinarrecaps.com/1/post/2012/11/dinar-rv-value-treasury-dollars-ready-post-by-tom-gambill.html)

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http://www.realscam.com/f12/bayshore-capital-investments-bh-group-651/

Foreign Currency Scam is a Bad Investment (http://www.bbb.org/blog/2013/09/foreign-currency-scam-is-a-bad-investment/)

ribshaw
12-06-2013, 12:14 PM
HUZBE is going to be the next big thing, just like Banners Broker will have Google Crying Uncle. Oh look an affiliate program.

Hubze is the brainchild of David Foster, CEO and is currently still in the pre-launch stage. As a company, it first started out being called "Moneza" but this was changed a week later as it was felt that its name implied that it was all about making money. It is a social networking tool that will give an individual access to all of their social networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn with just one click of a button. Alongside this, the company are offering an affiliate program

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/5537815


hubze.com/earnmoneyfromhome‎

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A review of someone who claimed to work for David Foster, CEO of HUZBE.

Ripoff Report | Fanpage Engine Complaint Review Internet: 918996 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Fanpage-Engine/internet/Fanpage-Engine-Hubze-Inc-David-Foster-Fanpage-engine-owner-David-Foster-allowed-me-to-wor-918996)

Scam adviser reports some negative feedback.

Scamadviser.com | check a website for risk | check if dodgey | check is a website s |check website is fake or a scam (http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/hubze.com)

ribshaw
12-06-2013, 12:35 PM
Hold the phones, Universal Private Banking to replace Pay Pal. Are we seeing a trend, things being pitched are going to replace things that already exist, for a fee of course.

Universal Private Banking | alansills (http://www.uprivatebanking.com/alansills)

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How did it turn out?

From this awesome blog..A MLM Skeptic: BREAKING NEWS: "Universal Private Banking", not a bank, got flagged as PHISHING SCAM by McAfee (http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2013/05/breaking-news-universal-private-banking.html)

Instead, this "banking service" (apparently unlicensed) is charging $20 to open an account, paying out 1% bonuses to anyone who wants to deposit money, as well as bonus for any one recruited to join (paid to the recruiter).

And this awesome blog.. McAfee Site Advisor Issues Phishing Warning On ‘UPrivateBanking,’ Program Targeted At Profitable Sunrise Victims (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2013/05/02/mcafee-site-advisor-issues-phishing-warning-on-uprivatebanking-program-targeted-at-profitable-sunrise-victims/)

UPDATED 6:12 P.M. EDT (MAY 7, U.S.A.) McAfee Site Advisor has issued a phishing warning for the website domain of “UPrivateBanking,” one of the “programs” targeted on Facebook at victims of the Profitable Sunrise HYIP scheme.

And this awesome blog.. Universal Private Banking Review: An MLM bank? | BehindMLM (http://behindmlm.com/companies/universal-private-banking-review-an-mlm-bank/#comment-154141)

As always, if an MLM company is not openly upfront about who is running or owns it, think long and hard about joining and/or handing over any money.

ribshaw
12-06-2013, 01:17 PM
Here is another big thing, YOLI, guess who is a/was a distributor? Admittedly I have held a few jobs in my life, some for years, and a one for just a few hours. But to claim to be a "work form home" blasy blah, shouldn't one be able to turn up some thins that have worked? Not worked for a year, or worked until recruits dried up, but an actual business that sustains itself.

Unless, and I am just speculating here, your whole income is based on recruiting, recruiting, recruiting.


Yoli Distributor List - March 2011 (http://mlmpyramid.com/YoliDistributorListMarch2011.html)

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Hilariously sleazy 'network marketing' with Yoli | MetaFilter (http://www.metafilter.com/89849/Hilariously-sleazy-network-marketing-with-Yoli)

Hilariously sleazy network marketing videos for Yoli. The "Yoli's Hybrid Comp Plan" video specifically is quite ridiculous, as are all the ones from the company founders. Yoli is a network marketing product, a health drink specifically, with some terribly creepy videos over-promising their get rich quick product to suckers worldwide.

ribshaw
12-06-2013, 02:00 PM
SEND OUT CARDS....

Alan Sills's Profile on Swom.com - Swom.com (http://swom.com/people/49975-alan-sills)

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Alan Sills, Real Estate Mortgage Broker - ActiveRain.com (http://activerain.com/profile/alansills)

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This is an aside, completely unrelated, but it sure would be nice to know the terms being made on the reverse mortgages. This is an area rife with bad deals for seniors. So much so that the FBI has a warning about it. In fairness Al could be making these loans on great terms, just don't know.

Reverse Mortgage Scams

The FBI and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development Office of Inspector General (HUD-OIG) urge consumers, especially senior citizens, to be vigilant when seeking reverse mortgage products. Reverse mortgages, also known as home equity conversion mortgages (HECM), have increased more than 1,300 percent between 1999 and 2008, creating significant opportunities for fraud perpetrators.

Reverse mortgage scams are engineered by unscrupulous professionals in a multitude of real estate, financial services, and related companies to steal the equity from the property of unsuspecting senior citizens or to use these seniors to unwittingly aid the fraudsters in stealing equity from a flipped property.

In many of the reported scams, victim seniors are offered free homes, investment opportunities, and foreclosure or refinance assistance. They are also used as straw buyers in property flipping scams. Seniors are frequently targeted through local churches and investment seminars, as well as television, radio, billboard, and mailer advertisements.

A legitimate HECM loan product is insured by the Federal Housing Authority. It enables eligible homeowners to access the equity in their homes by providing funds without incurring a monthly payment. Eligible borrowers must be 62 years or older who occupy their property as their primary residence and who own their property or have a small mortgage balance. See the FBI/HUD Intelligence Bulletin for specific details on HECMs as well as other foreclosure rescue and investment schemes.

Tips for Avoiding Reverse Mortgage Scams:

Do not respond to unsolicited advertisements.
Be suspicious of anyone claiming that you can own a home with no down payment.
Do not sign anything that you do not fully understand.
Do not accept payment from individuals for a home you did not purchase.
Seek out your own reverse mortgage counselor.

If you are a victim of this type of fraud and want to file a complaint, please submit information through our electronic tip line or through your local FBI office. You may also file a complaint with HUD-OIG at Homepage | Office of Inspector General, Department of Housing and Urban Development (http://www.hud.gov/complaints/fraud_waste.cfm) or by calling HUD’s hotline at 1-800-347-3735.

FBI — Seniors (http://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/fraud/seniors)

You can read the send out cards reviews on Yelp. There are also quite a few is this a scam videos.

Send Out Cards - Salt Lake City, UT | Yelp (http://www.yelp.com/biz/send-out-cards-salt-lake-city)

This guy screen shoots the earnings statement. Looks like so many other programs where recruiting is the goal.
Send Out Cards: You’ve Been Had! (http://www.almightydad.com/seo-sem/send-out-cards-youve-been-had)

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Soapboxmom
12-06-2013, 02:56 PM
Excellent posts! So many scammers out there. Such shameless MLM Gurus. It never ceases to amaze me how far and for how long these guys keep plugging!

Whip
12-06-2013, 05:38 PM
SEND OUT CARDS....

Alan Sills's Profile on Swom.com - Swom.com (http://swom.com/people/49975-alan-sills)

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Alan Sills, Real Estate Mortgage Broker - ActiveRain.com (http://activerain.com/profile/alansills)

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This is an aside, completely unrelated, but it sure would be nice to know the terms being made on the reverse mortgages. This is an area rife with bad deals for seniors. So much so that the FBI has a warning about it. In fairness Al could be making these loans on great terms, just don't know.

Reverse Mortgage Scams

The FBI and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development Office of Inspector General (HUD-OIG) urge consumers, especially senior citizens, to be vigilant when seeking reverse mortgage products. Reverse mortgages, also known as home equity conversion mortgages (HECM), have increased more than 1,300 percent between 1999 and 2008, creating significant opportunities for fraud perpetrators.

Reverse mortgage scams are engineered by unscrupulous professionals in a multitude of real estate, financial services, and related companies to steal the equity from the property of unsuspecting senior citizens or to use these seniors to unwittingly aid the fraudsters in stealing equity from a flipped property.

In many of the reported scams, victim seniors are offered free homes, investment opportunities, and foreclosure or refinance assistance. They are also used as straw buyers in property flipping scams. Seniors are frequently targeted through local churches and investment seminars, as well as television, radio, billboard, and mailer advertisements.

A legitimate HECM loan product is insured by the Federal Housing Authority. It enables eligible homeowners to access the equity in their homes by providing funds without incurring a monthly payment. Eligible borrowers must be 62 years or older who occupy their property as their primary residence and who own their property or have a small mortgage balance. See the FBI/HUD Intelligence Bulletin for specific details on HECMs as well as other foreclosure rescue and investment schemes.

Tips for Avoiding Reverse Mortgage Scams:

Do not respond to unsolicited advertisements.
Be suspicious of anyone claiming that you can own a home with no down payment.
Do not sign anything that you do not fully understand.
Do not accept payment from individuals for a home you did not purchase.
Seek out your own reverse mortgage counselor.

If you are a victim of this type of fraud and want to file a complaint, please submit information through our electronic tip line or through your local FBI office. You may also file a complaint with HUD-OIG at Homepage | Office of Inspector General, Department of Housing and Urban Development (http://www.hud.gov/complaints/fraud_waste.cfm) or by calling HUD’s hotline at 1-800-347-3735.

FBI — Seniors (http://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/fraud/seniors)

You can read the send out cards reviews on Yelp. There are also quite a few is this a scam videos.

Send Out Cards - Salt Lake City, UT | Yelp (http://www.yelp.com/biz/send-out-cards-salt-lake-city)

This guy screen shoots the earnings statement. Looks like so many other programs where recruiting is the goal.
Send Out Cards: You’ve Been Had! (http://www.almightydad.com/seo-sem/send-out-cards-youve-been-had)

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You failed to mention the failure of My Harvest America. He really knows how to pick 'em.

The Lakewood Scoop » ‘My Harvest America’ Files For Bankruptcy – Leaves Many Lakewood Customers Shocked » The heartbeat of the lakewood community (http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2011/05/my-harvest-america-files-for-bankrutpcy-many-in-lakewood-left-holding-worthless-cards.html)


SCAM? “Due to circumstances beyond our control, My Harvest America, Inc. has been forced to file for protection under Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Further information for claims will be forthcoming from the US Bankruptcy Court, May 27, 2011. Case # 2:11-bk-15482″. That is the message My Harvest America Inc. posted on their website.

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JustTooMuchTime
12-07-2013, 12:48 AM
Are you sure there isn't an "h" in his last name?

Whip
12-07-2013, 02:06 AM
I don't understand. I quoted you and searched My Harvest America.

ribshaw
12-07-2013, 09:01 AM
You failed to mention the failure of My Harvest America. He really knows how to pick 'em.

LOL, with so many great opportunities...

Both of the links are broken, there was something called Experience the Peak, which may have been related to Send Out Cards he was promoting.

Swom Group: Build Your Business - High Value Tips - Swom.com (http://swom.com/groups/2275-build-your-business---high-value-tips?page=4)

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Here is the HUZBE bonus, its gonna be big.

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And Launch Network Launcher, a must have.

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ribshaw
12-07-2013, 09:06 AM
Are you sure there isn't an "h" in his last name?

H-is for the Hit your wallet takes. If a HYIP forum labels something a scam, pretty sure it is not "Like Facebook".

Breezy Buzz - Breezybuzz.com - Scam and Closed MLMs - Top Gold Forum (http://topgoldforum.com/topic/3708-breezy-buzz-breezybuzzcom/)

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HARRISON
12-07-2013, 11:12 AM
Alan Sils has all his fingers in so many pies(scams!) he must be absolutely rolling in it. And yet...he lives in an RV. WHY? It makes it REAL hard for the authorities to trace him.
Well done Ribshaw for starting this thread! This weasel needs showing up for what he is, a grubby little scammer!

Fat City, LA
12-07-2013, 11:35 AM
Alan is in an RV in Colorado in the winter cause most of these scams are impossible to get your $ out.
Finding suckers is 1/2 the battle. Getting $ out of a ponzi is the other 1/2.

Send Out Cards. I agree w/all the above statements.
BUT
I have a friend in my home town who is making $30k-50k yearly.
He has earned it by selling it business to business to Doctors, Dentists, etc
Doesnt do the MLM part.
He has his wife/brother etc as reps below only to max out his $.

littleroundman
12-07-2013, 11:37 AM
http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag116/Little_Roundman/al1_zps9a962c97.jpg

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag116/Little_Roundman/al1a_zps61e1c6d1.jpg

Just in case anyone is in any doubt Alan Sills remains as crooked as a dogs' hind leg.

Fat City, LA
12-07-2013, 01:46 PM
What a clown...how is that $5000 per month he was eying by Dec 2013 going? :pt:

JustTooMuchTime
12-07-2013, 07:44 PM
You can follow Alan as he travels across America in his RV!

Living on the road - full time - in an RV... - RV Across America (http://rvacrossamerica.net/living-on-the-road-full-time-in-an-rv/)

JustTooMuchTime
12-07-2013, 08:05 PM
500 Connections & only 1 recommendation:

Al Sills | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/in/alansills)

ribshaw
12-07-2013, 09:53 PM
Send Out Cards. I agree w/all the above statements.
BUT
I have a friend in my home town who is making $30k-50k yearly.
He has earned it by selling it business to business to Doctors, Dentists, etc
Doesnt do the MLM part.
He has his wife/brother etc as reps below only to max out his $.

So far, SOC is the only program in this thread that has not completely turned to crap. If this, like many of these deals were pitched as "you are going to hit the pavement and sell stuff" there would be a lot less skepticism on my part. Then if people wanted to go sell $30 milkshakes and $50 juice, they could have at it and know what they are in for. $30,000 to $50,000 is a solid income for full time work. But, its not exactly put your feet up and live here on a residual income type cash.

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I agree with you on that part based on my reading of SOC, as not to seem like I am arguing on that point I made the line below. It should be a stand alone post, but its late and mixed a few thoughts. With AL, it is not just the opportunity, but the way he seems to do "business".

Al Sills has bunch of videos on SOC, in fairness people could watch them and see the way he presents it.

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In Al's advertisement above he represents the buy in for SOC as $1,000, that is one hell of an ante just to beat the pavement! Maybe Al is snowshoeing it around town closing deals on greeting cards, having choked down more than a few of Al's videos I don't see that. Looking at his BB Tripe above, $5,000 a month seems to fall from the sky. Now however, some of his comments surrounding Banners Brokers he almost blames the people who lost money in this scam. I think he is now calling it a "venture", which is a far cry from his previous shtick. All I have seen is someone who wants referral commissions and to hear himself talk. He does not seem to care if he is pushing Ponzi Schemes, fabricated banks, Forex schemes, as long a the commission roll in.

This was on his Facebook page just the other day, despite all the problems we know about Banners Broker:

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Here is his video on BM. He like many in the pimp trade seem not to know what "slander" means. His tone to the commenter aside, if he is such a wizard of business, why is he not 100% sure this is not a Ponzi. (As a note, there are a few comments that were deleted by Al that were a little more probing) He is in touch with Chris Smith, is a master beta tester for the next version. Why as a business person has he not asked Chris to produce audited financial statements? Just seems to take the Gomer Pyle approach, sign up, and if you lose, well golly it was a venture.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BrbBGs1PSE

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littleroundman
12-07-2013, 10:39 PM
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3977/aian.jpg

Poor ol' Alan Sills is still living in the past when threats like this had some effect.

Can you imagine the high excitement there would be in the ranks of those who speak out against fraud if someone like Alan Sills or Chris Smith was actually foolish enough to follow through with the threats ???

The courts would be forced to hire Madison Square Garden to accommodate the number of media representatives who would fly in from around the world to see the inner workings of a fraud like Banners Broker explained in court.

Fat City, LA
12-08-2013, 02:59 AM
"So far, SOC is the only program in this thread that has not completely turned to crap."


If your a dentist a $500 commit on cards can get you that $1k plus root canal.etc
Last comment on that.

Doubt he is selling hard of anything. Why be so petty & non reasonable in his postings? (BB doesnt pay, he is not of non normal intellect, face the truth)

ribshaw
12-08-2013, 12:29 PM
So as I lay in bed last night, I realized I had forget all about a Gmail account that had not been banned by Al Sills. I thought it would be good to pose a few questions to him again. I want to set this up just a bit in my purpose of writing this thread, other than good fun and hearing the clack of the computer keys. If one were to buy any business, two very real documents to ask for would be tax returns and financial statements. Anyone who is asking you to invest, should willingly comply. (That is my opinion, other people may hear so and so is a good guy and write a check)

People like Alan Sills will come and go, but the methods for keeping your money out of harms way will always remain the same.

This has been asked previously, but where are the 1099s and tax filings from BB? Keeping in mind Alan Sills in one of his videos claims to have something like $300,000 in his account. Under US Tax law(and numerous other jurisdictions) this is fully taxable as earnings, even if it is left in the account. He PROUDLY made a video about it, where is the difficultly with providing proof of not only the earnings, but that he reported them to the IRS? Many "gurus" often talk about doing deals, but when it comes to producing proof they slither away.

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Here is my question about audited financial statements. I had asked before, and all comments were banished to hater hell by Pollyala Sills.

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ribshaw
12-09-2013, 04:52 PM
Wanted to build on something I said yesterday. This may or may not be useful to a random reader of this blog about Alan Sills, Alan@alansills.com , Sills leadership, or whatever other names the man uses to pimp schemes. Taking a circuitous as I am apt to do, I am a big fan of American Greed on CNBC CNBC's American Greed: Scams, Schemes, and Broken Dreams (http://www.cnbc.com/id/18057119), and really all things scam. A common set up is a person rolls in to town, seems to print money, everyone is happy, and poof one day it turns out to be scam. Or you have a sterling member of the community, think Madoff and poof one day same ending.

Yesterday I mentioned Tax returns and financial statements. If you are conducting true due diligence, the documents need to come from the source. For tax returns Form 4506 allows you to request a tax return be sent directly from the IRS. (Of course the person has to sign off) If you have done a mortgage, especially post 2009 this is what a many banks do. That way you get to see what the person actually filed. Most people will not exaggerate income to the IRS, unless they are laundering money.

The second thing is account statements MUST come DIRECTLY from an independent source. To be clear, if someone says they have $300,000 in an account, a screen shot or a document they give you does not suffice. It does not matter if someone is managing money or running a pretendy advertising platform. The point should be obvious, but that is the reference to American Greed. In almost all of the scams, the adviser/guru was producing their own statements.


Both of these guys have books with a little more information on how to suss out the details of an opportunity. I am pretty sure that not many who have read ether is not making videos on line promoting Ponzi schemes, or doing a cameo on American Greed.

Ken Fisher How to Smell a Rat: The Five Signs of Financial Fraud (Fisher Investments Series): Kenneth L. Fisher, Lara Hoffmans: 9780470631966: Amazon.com: Books (http://www.amazon.com/How-Smell-Rat-Financial-Investments/dp/0470631961)
And Lynn Edginton Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun: Cyber Crime - How They Do It: Mr. Lynn Edgington, Mr. Graham McMillan, Mr. Les Henderson, Mr. Paul Schlegel: 9781453895290: Amazon.com: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Robbing-You-With-Keyboard-Instead/dp/1453895299)

ribshaw
12-09-2013, 05:24 PM
A second quick one for the waiter or waitress who happens to show up wondering who was this man alan@alansills who chatted me up. I spent most of my high school and college years waiting tables, and had more than my share of 1:45 in this video. CREEPY!!! I say this with a straight face, if some random chats you up all nicey nicey and gives you a card they want one of two things, the first is likely Multi Level Marketing.

There is almost a statistical certainty you make more as a sever than the person who handed you the card makes in the business they claim they have. Every MLM is required to publish affiliate earnings, take them for what they are. If you are a super sales type person, there are plenty of things you can do, if you are not-- really take the stats seriously. And if you work near a hotel that holds pep rallies where these wackadoos roll in late, take up your whole station, demand separate checks, order toast, and leave you a tip that clinks, you have my sympathy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoeoQCA0Phk

ribshaw
12-09-2013, 05:55 PM
This has to be the STUPIDEST IDEA Alan Sills has promoted since lugging Mike Dillard's water. Unless you want a set of raccoon eyes, might I suggest hanging out in a parking lot and jotting down people's license plate numbers not such a hot idea. But, I am not a "Success Mentor" like Alan Sills, so what the hell do I know?

Swom Group: DNA: About to be a real force in Social and Business Networking - Swom.com (http://swom.com/groups/3683-dna-about-to-be-a-real-force-in-social-and-business-networking)

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Data Network Affiliates Scam - Secrets of MLM Online Success - Zimbio (http://www.zimbio.com/Secrets+of+MLM+Online+Success/articles/NuWBwfQAe1I/Data+Network+Affiliates+Scam) (Does reviews of other opportunities, I know nothing about them, just linked it for this post)

So you want me to stand on the street corner or sit on my front porch and write down liscences plates as vichels drive by. What idiot came up with this idea. oh yeah, Phil Piccolo, read up on this guy at the following links.

So I am not the only one that finds this silly, there are actually a few links on the web that are pretty funny. :RpS_thumbsup:

The rest of this is just disturbing, how someone could call themselves anything but a HACK and recommend garbage like this unexplainable. Might I suggest you never do ANY business with a website where identities are hidden, and if the people who are showing their faces have a long history of questionable choices..

The coup de grace, if someone is holding themselves out as an EXPERT and **** like this turns up. Grab your wallet and run in the other direction.


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But what about the things a "Success Mentor" should ferret out BEFORE telling you something is a good deal? Hidden Registration, and a pay structure that appears illegal under the rules against pyramid schemes. Yeah Alan Sills, really did his homework on this. (MLM Helpdesk does reviews of other opportunities, I know nothing about them, just linked it for this post)

MLM Scam Alert on Data Network Affiliates aka DNA makes Narc That Car look like Saints | MLM Help Desk (http://mlmhelpdesk.com/mlm-scam-alert-on-data-network-affiliates-aka-dna-makes-narc-that-car-look-like-saints/#.UqZHB-LDvK4)

Now, let’s take a look at Data Network Affiliates aka DNA.

First red flag with DNA is the fact their website registry is hidden.

Registrant:
Direct Privacy ID FAADA
PO Box 12068
George Town, Grand Cayman KY1-1010
1-345-745-6022

Domain Name: DATANETWORKAFFILIATES.COM

Record last updated 02-02-2010 09:20:16 PM
Record expires on 01-21-2011
Record created on 01-21-2010

Now let’s take a look at Dean Blechman As Its Chief Executive Officer, Chairman Of The Board & Founder:

There is no doubt he has an impressive background. However, there are a few things which are questionable.

Before Twin Lab was bought by Tony Robbin’s company, ISI Brands, a class action lawsuit. Now overall this isn’t a huge deal, except it shows a track record. Review Here

Then there is the issue of Mr. Blechman’s claim of “being an owner of Ideal Health aka The Trump Network. Well, Ideal Health terminated Mr. Blechman for running the company into the ground, then filed a civil lawsuit against him (Ideal Health .vs Blechman)

Then Mr. Blechman counter filed trying to move the case to fit his needs Blechman .vs Ideal Health

However, the Court did not see it his way and allowed it to be transferred to Massachusetts. (Review Here)

Now let’s take a look at Anthony Sasso As Chief Data Consultant to the Board. Now I want everyone to realize that nowhere does it state Mr. Sasso is an owner of Data Network Affiliates aka DNA or that he is an officer of the company. This in and of itself raises some new question.

What private agreements are in place for Mr. Sasso to use all the new distributor data for his others business, and/or sell it to other scammers, spammers, or use it himself? This concern was first raised by an article we found outside of the MLM niche, raising their own red flags as to the purpose of Sasso’s ultimate use of the data he collects. (Review Here)

Now, here is another concern we found. Mr Sasso is also the ceo of Text2WinLotto.com this raises two questions…

1. Will he use the data he is gathering from distributors and spam them for this new opportunity?
2. Is this his next deal when Data Network Affiliates goes south?

These questions are way to important to go unasked. If a perosn is giving up their personal info to someone who is seen not just as the data base king, but also the top sms spammer, then we have huge issues.

Ok, now let’s look at what DNA calls the “product”…Well there isn’t one. Her eis the exact phrase from the Data Network Affiliate website “As an independent affiliate with D.N.A. you are helping to build databases. With most Network Marketing Companies, reps are selling a product for the company, with D.N.A., we are Building the Product for the company and ourselves.”

This goes 100% against the rules of law already put into place. If there is no product or service being marketed by distributors to an end user (as in phase one) then DNA falls into the legal definition of MLM Pyramid Scheme. (Read Kevin Thompson’s book above)

Ok, the compensation plan. For some reason DNA feels they are protected because they are not charging a mandatory fee to join. However, just like Narc That Car, they are not providing the distributors a product to the end user to sell. Which means the only thing the distributors are selling is the opportunity.

Which means, even though they claim…

Fact: all income generated is from the collection of Data Collected.
Fact: there is not one dime paid for the act of sponsoring.
Fact: even the D.N.A. Business Package with Data Entry Software is 100% non-commission-able

This does not change the FACT that the only money distributor’s are personally generating to place into the compensation plan comes from recruiting others into the compensation structure.

Here’s an additional item of record from a friend of mine Patrick Pretty for all to tink about…

DATA NETWORK AFFILIATES: Pitchman For License-Plate Database Cites AMBER Alert, Walmart, Church; Company Website Suggests AMBER Alert Falling Short On Child-Recovery Mission (http://patrickpretty.com/2010/02/11/data-network-affiliates-pitchman-for-license-plate-database-cites-amber-alert-walmart-church-company-website-suggests-amber-alert-falling-short-on-child-recovery-mission/)

Data Network Affiliates (DNA) Issues Bizarre Announcements; Meanwhile, Narc That Car Promoter Says Repping For NTC Like Working For ‘Census Bureau’ (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/03/02/data-network-affiliates-dna-issues-bizarre-announcements-meanwhile-narc-that-car-promoter-says-ntc-like-working-for-census-bureau/)

BULLETIN: Data Network Affiliates Gets ‘F’ From BBB After Purported Data Firm Did Not Respond To Complaints (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/08/10/bulletin-data-network-affiliates-gets-f-from-bbb-after-purported-data-firm-did-not-respond-to-complaints/)

NikSam
12-10-2013, 01:28 AM
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First red flag with DNA is the fact their website registry is hidden.

Registrant:
Direct Privacy ID FAADA
PO Box 12068
George Town, Grand Cayman KY1-1010
1-345-745-6022

Domain Name: DATANETWORKAFFILIATES.COM

Record last updated 02-02-2010 09:20:16 PM
Record expires on 01-21-2011
Record created on 01-21-2010
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behind the privacy:




Registrant:
IntelaTrader Inc
9858 Glades Road #120
Boca Raton, FL 33434
US
954-464-5565

Domain Name: DATANETWORKAFFILIATES.COM

Administrative Contact:
Inc, IntelaTrader lifeisfinein2009@gmail.com
9858 Glades Road #120
Boca Raton, FL 33434
US
954-464-5565


A MLM pimp by a name of Phillip Piccolo with email Dreamagainin2010@gmail.com claims that phone number
URL: http://mlmhelpdesk.com/mlm-news-flash-phil-piccolo-live-tonight-on-aces-radio-live/

That Phil seems been in the never ending fight with Troy Dooly

here is also a page linking him to DNA: http://www.businessforhome.org/2010/02/phil-piccollo-review/comment-page-3/


He is a Big time MLM scammer, also used a name John Nocton

NikSam
12-10-2013, 02:08 AM
now delinquent Wyoming company IntelaTrader Inc lists Ann Picollo as the owner.

http://i.imgur.com/Y1HNBil.jpg

littleroundman
12-10-2013, 03:06 AM
Patrick Pretty was all over the Data Network Affiliates HYIP ponzi fraud on his excellent Patrick Pretty.com (http://www.patrickpretty.com/) blog at the time

Data Network Affiliates’ ‘Expert’ Was Convicted Felon Charged In Racketeering Case; New Flap Involving Anthony Sasso Emerging In Florida

Data-Network-Affiliates-gets-f-from-bbb-after-purported-data-firm-did-not-respond-to-complaints/

DNA-now-says-it-is-selling-protective-spray-to-block-wrongful-ticketing-from-red-light-cameras-simultaneously-announces-alert-button-to-protect-adducted-children/

(http://www.patrickpretty.com/2011/05/24/bulletin-data-network-affiliates-expert-was-convicted-felon-charged-in-racketeering-case-new-flap-involving-anthony-sasso-emerging-in-florida/)Lockinyourfreespot-com-a-new-dna-url-company-says-will-members-transfer-their-prospect-lists-to-mlm-firm/ (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/07/23/lockinyourfreespot-com-a-new-dna-url-company-says-will-members-transfer-their-prospect-lists-to-mlm-firm/)

FIRST, TRUMP, OPRAH, APPLE: Now, PP Blog’s ‘Breaking News’ Graphic Used In Video Pitch For Data Network Affiliates’ MLM Program (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/07/13/first-trump-oprah-apple-now-pp-blogs-breaking-news-graphic-used-in-video-pitch-for-data-network-affiliates-mlm-program/)

EDITORIAL: MLM’s Great Race To The Bottom? While FTC, SEC, CFTC Warn About Affinity Fraud, Data Network Affiliates Says Its Mortgage-Reduction Program Is A ‘Church Fundraisers DREAM Come True’ (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/07/09/editorial-mlms-great-race-to-the-bottom-while-ftc-sec-cftc-warn-about-affinity-fraud-data-network-affiliates-says-its-mortgage-reduction-program-is-a-church-fundraisers-dream-come-true/)

Data Network Affiliates Asks Members To Participate In Imaginary Relaunch After Lecturing Churches On Their ‘MORAL OBLIGATION’ To Hawk MLM Program (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/07/06/newsnotes-adpaydaily-announces-tweak-data-network-affiliates-asks-members-to-participate-in-imaginary-relaunch-after-lecturing-churches-on-their-moral-obligation-to-hawk-mlm-program/)

DATA NETWORK AFFILIATES: Churches Have ‘MORAL OBLIGATION’ To Pitch Members On Firm’s ‘Mortgage Reduction’ Program; Purported Data And Cell-Phone Firm Venturing Into Foreclosure-Rescue And ‘Resort’ Businesses (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/07/04/data-network-affiliates-churches-have-moral-obligation-to-pitch-members-on-firms-mortgage-reduction-program-purported-data-and-cell-phone-firm-venturing-into-foreclosure-rescue-and-resor/)

NikSam
12-10-2013, 03:34 AM
Yep, Piccolo was also behind True cash Network, and multiple others MLM scams.
search on "piccolo" also yelds a lot of results on Patrick's blog and on google.

And feds still think some fake brand lady bags demand all agencies to be doing nothing else than shutting down domains internationally.

Whip
12-10-2013, 01:52 PM
behind the privacy:




Registrant:
IntelaTrader Inc
9858 Glades Road #120
Boca Raton, FL 33434
US
954-464-5565

Domain Name: DATANETWORKAFFILIATES.COM

Administrative Contact:
Inc, IntelaTrader lifeisfinein2009@gmail.com
9858 Glades Road #120
Boca Raton, FL 33434
US
954-464-5565


A MLM pimp by a name of Phillip Piccolo with email Dreamagainin2010@gmail.com claims that phone number
URL: MLM News Flash: Phil Piccolo Live Tonight on Aces Radio Live | MLM Help Desk (http://mlmhelpdesk.com/mlm-news-flash-phil-piccolo-live-tonight-on-aces-radio-live/)

That Phil seems been in the never ending fight with Troy Dooly

here is also a page linking him to DNA: Phil Piccollo Review (http://www.businessforhome.org/2010/02/phil-piccollo-review/comment-page-3/)


He is a Big time MLM scammer, also used a name John Nocton

probably because he wouldn't give dooly a cut needed for positive reviews.

ribshaw
12-23-2013, 11:54 AM
Turns out Alan Sills of alan@alansills.com fame, master internet marketer and all around "excellent communicator" was pushing Prepaid Legal back in the day. I believe it is Legal Shield now, from pre-paid law plans to Forex to fake ad panels, seems there is nothing "excellent communicator" and modest molly Alan Sills won't pimp. To juxtapose this with something, it is similar to MCA in that yes it offers services, but the fees and benefits are disproportional. In the Rip Off report, you will see the come sell MCA comments lest anyone think MLM is not like a school of sharks all circling the same wounded seal.

On this one, I really am with Dave Ramsey, and would say the same about most "warranty" type programs, put in a big pile of savings and over time you most likely come out ahead.




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Verizon Wireless Forum (Phone Scoop) (http://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&ff=2&fi=1617005)



Do I need pre-paid legal? Advice on Pre-Paid Legal - Dave Ramsey - CBN.com - Finance (http://www.cbn.com/finance/ramsey102809.aspx)

Dear Dave,

Do you have an opinion on whether or not pre-paid legal is a product worth purchasing?

– Anika

Dear Anika,

I’m not mad about pre-paid legal. But a lot of folks who recommend and advocate it don’t like me very much, because I tell people it’s a bad idea. Here’s why: Pre-paid legal will cost you about $300 a year. If you take $300 a year, and multiply that out over 10 years, you’re looking at $3,000. The truth is that the average American consumer doesn’t spend $3,000 on legal bills in this amount of time.

Lots of people will tell you that you miss out on tons of opportunities by not having a lawyer ready to jump into things. That’s a bunch of garbage! Once in a great while you may need the services of an attorney, but think about this: If the average person spent $3,000 or more over the course of 10 years on legal bills, while pre-paid legal took $3,000 from each of these people, pre-paid legal would go broke, wouldn’t it? They’d be handing out more in legal services than they receive in fees!

On average, you’ll come out better if you self-insure by having a good emergency fund in place. That way, you’ll have the money to pay for legal services should the need arise. And part of the reason you’ll have the money in place is because you didn’t give it to someone else—like pre-paid legal!

– Dave

I love the part about stealing towels, see my previous comments about being a waiter.

Ripoff Report | Pre Paid Legal Complaint Review Internet: 817136 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Pre-Paid-Legal/internet/Pre-Paid-Legal-Total-Pyramid-Scam-Religious-Cult-You-would-have-to-be-an-idiot-to-do-thi-817136)

Yeah..
Top 131 Complaints and Reviews about LegalShield (formerly Pre-Paid Legal Services, Inc.) (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/legal/prepaid.html)

ribshaw
12-23-2013, 12:27 PM
Ok, so I stumbled upon this, maybe someone has some more insight in to the allegations, but I am running short on time. Here is Alan Sills offering some helpful advice on pain relief, but it isn't really helpful in the way most of us consider helpful. It is $30 for a tube of mystery goo, and guess who is a distributor? The allegations about the shark finning are pretty disturbing. If they actually kept the body of the shark, say to feed people, I might not find it so offensive. Ripoff Report | Good Life Sciences Japan, Dr. Zachary Guterman Complaint Review Internet: 826243 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Good-Life-Sciences-Japan-Dr-Zachary-Guterman/internet/Good-Life-Sciences-Japan-Dr-Zachary-Guterman-Susan-Roth-New-York-MLM-DANGEROUS-Products-826243)


Shark finning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_finning)

But whatever its all about building a solid downline.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToNrX39jvP8

http://www.scambook.com/report/view/62299/MLM-Good-Life-Sciences-Japan-Dr-Zachery-Guterman-Susan-Roth-in-NY-Complaint-62299-for-$670.00



Here is a product I have had good success with. Pay attention to the burning part as it does take a while for the skin to acclimate. I don't get a cut of the $7, you can't join ribshaw's Team Winner Gold Club, just my version of how one person may do something for another without looking to put a buck in their pocket.

Amazon.com: Capzasin Arthritis Pain Relief No Mess Applicator -- 1 fl oz: Health & Personal Care (http://www.amazon.com/Capzasin-Arthritis-Pain-Relief-Applicator/dp/B000Q2PU52/ref=sr_1_4?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1387819203&sr=1-4&keywords=capzasin)

ribshaw
12-24-2013, 09:16 AM
I was wrong bout the company that sells "Its Amazing", they also sell "Hair of the Dog Energy drink and Liver Cleanse". It is Good Life International LLC, not Good Life Sciences.


Sorry for the confusion, I try to put out good information.

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My opinion based on a dearth of information is CLEANSING cleans one thing, the inside of your wallet. But don't take my word for it, the company itself DISCLAIMS any evaluated benefits, and suggests you speak with your physician. Just my opinion though, your wallet, your body.

https://4tgl.com/pr_hod.asp
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littleroundman
12-24-2013, 09:41 AM
This is what Uncle Al Sills is pimping:

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/9332/8rdj.jpg

Here's a question:

What happens if you sit in the bath after you have rubbed "It's Amazing" on your skin ??

If it magically transports ingredients deep inside your body, wouldn't you fill up with water and explode if you sat there long enough.

ribshaw
12-24-2013, 01:10 PM
So I am not a scientist, barely passed Chemistry. In fact the only thing I really remember is how hot my lab partner was, and how little I impressed her. If only she knew one day I would be a blogger.

But you know who wrote a book about Earth Science? Earth Science the Easy Way (Barron's E-Z): Alan D. Sills: 9780764121463: Amazon.com: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Earth-Science-Easy-Way-Barrons/dp/0764121464/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1387908132&sr=8-3-fkmr2&keywords=al+sills+science) And I hate to nit pick but if someone SHOULD demand hard evidence before making claims, I would think it would be a man of the sciences.


At any rate, this guy seems to make a pretty good case, based on muh limited knowledge. And he is quoted by another source which is good enough for me to call bullshit....

---but we could compare oxygen in essential oils to atmospheric oxygen. Sea-level air contains 21% oxygen, and a 50 times greater concentration would be….well, impossible, as even five times would be more than 100%. Also, the predominant elements found in essential oil constituents are hydrogen and carbon, with oxygen, when it is found, a minor player. At best, a few essential oils might contain about the same concentration of oxygen as that found in the air. But that’s percent, not amount. There’s no way that essential oils could ever deliver as much oxygen as we inhale every time we breathe air.

The "oxygenation" myth « Robert Tisserand (http://roberttisserand.com/2010/11/the-oxygenation-myth/)


https://www.facebook.com/EssentialOilUniversity/posts/397721936988740

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Frankly I am surprised Al is not touting the miraculous benefits of Dihydrogen Monoxide, I hear it sells for upwards of $2 a 12oz bottle in better locations.

ribshaw
12-24-2013, 01:57 PM
Another chestnut that got left to burn in the ash heap of Al Sills Flopportunities.

Alan Sills, profsci, blastofftoday, al.sills, alan@alansills.com, Owner at alansills.com (Internet), Internet Marketer at Business Consultant, Owner at ADS Consulting (E-Learning industry), this guy:

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"Highly Acclaimed", LOL this is from some different crap, but I liked the Arrows.

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PeopleString (peoplestring.com) - Is it a Scam or Legit? | Not Recommended (http://www.ptc-investigation.com/peoplestring.aspx)


When this is the best a supporter has to offer, you're going to have great time.

"It's chatroom has 10 to 20 people chatting everytime I log in. You can spam links at the chatroom. Goodluck! "

Is People String profitable/scam/useless? (http://www.warriorforum.com/internet-marketing-product-reviews-ratings/217373-people-string-profitable-scam-useless.html)

POOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peoplestring.com - Is PeopleString Down Right Now? (http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/peoplestring.com.html)

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Whip
12-24-2013, 07:34 PM
Another chestnut that got left to burn in the ash heap of Al Sills Flopportunities.

Alan Sills, profsci, blastofftoday, al.sills, alan@alansills.com, Owner at alansills.com (Internet), Internet Marketer at Business Consultant, Owner at ADS Consulting (E-Learning industry), this guy:

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All I think of when I see that pic is:

http://tstoaddicts.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/header.jpg?w=371&h=450

ribshaw
12-26-2013, 09:56 AM
More on this later! Someone that touts the "RV Lifestyle and Earning a living on the road", seems to have a secret he forgots to share with us...

Get a jobby job...

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Sure there is this:

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And all of this:

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Seems to lead back to this:

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littleroundman
12-26-2013, 10:18 AM
The mark of the Professional Ponzi Pimp:
never, ever, ever admit your HYIP ponzi scam has collapsed - EVER

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6741/r1e0.jpg

littleroundman
12-26-2013, 10:39 AM
Alan Sills - picking losers and conning others into joining them since at least 2009

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6605/oim7.jpg

Alan Sills 2009 Blogspot (http://alansills.blogspot.com.au/2009/12/new-mlm-1-hour-old.html)

laidback
12-26-2013, 11:38 AM
Noticed several mistooks that I took the liberty of correcting....[6675

littleroundman
12-26-2013, 11:52 AM
HeHe,

Alan SHILLS - but not very well

laidback
12-26-2013, 05:52 PM
HeHe,

Alan SHILLS - but not very well
...And let's not forget Joe Reid, Master Baiter, ( not to be confused with mastur..... err, wait! ...forgot for a moment this is a family forum...!) ( Well, there's family, and then there's family!

littleroundman
12-27-2013, 06:42 AM
"Those oldies but goodies remind you of you"

Here's Alan Sills in 2012.

Funny, in 2012 what you got from Banners Broker was like a breath of fresh air.

In 2013 Banners Broker gave you a wallet full of fresh air.

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/8722/0bpd.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI4ygFFjM2Y&feature=player_detailpage

littleroundman
12-27-2013, 10:17 AM
Apparently it doesn't take much to get Alan Sills "excited"

Here he is back in August getting all excited about Rippln


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRrPeqEzwsM&feature=player_detailpage

And, yes, that's the same Rippln on which Oz over at BehindMLM (http://www.behindmlm.com) has done so many reports

such as Has Rippln done a runner ? (http://behindmlm.com/companies/rippln/has-rippln-done-a-runner/) and Rippln CEO apologizes for "failed expectations" (http://behindmlm.com/companies/rippln/rippln-ceo-apologizes-for-failed-expectations/) and Facebook bans Rippln blitz recruitment links (http://behindmlm.com/companies/rippln/facebook-bans-rippln-blitz-recruitment-links/)

ribshaw
12-27-2013, 10:37 AM
How to know you are dealing with an idiot, fraud, or both!!!

There is a common canard that runs the MLM and scammy circles that there are HUGE advantages to having an MLM business because you get to deduct everything. If you hear this and then someone proceeds to talk about business expenses, you are dealing with an IDIOT, they should be treated as such, and your wallet firmly closed from their prying little fingers.

Taking one step back, and this post will be a little long, but important truths must be told. Surely there are tax and income timing options available to business owners that are not available to employees, I don't dispute that. But to realize these advantages the business owner must earn a significant income, as in much more than they make as an employee. Otherwise our progressive tax system provides little realized benefit over that of an employee. OR and this is a big OR, the owner must be willing to take aggressive deductions, that may or may not be in the spirit and letter of the law. Personal/Business use items are a somewhat gray area. I will submit that if someone advocates say a 179 deduction for a trailer (video 9:15) that appears to be used more than 50% of the time for PERSONAL USE, and then makes a U-tube video about it, they are an IDIOT.

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To get started on the ADVANTAGES of a 1099 "business owner" deducting business expenses, give me a f-ing break they are EXPENSES. Imagine this, your spouse comes home from the mall and tells you about a 50% off sale, and they BOUGHT $5,000 worth of stuff. Do you smile and consider this income to your family? A huge windfall? The only consolation is if they actually needed the things they bought, and the same thing is true for business. IN NO WAY is this a financial benefit unless you can turn around an monetize the purchase for more than $5000 + Time and Expenses.


At 1:17 of the video, Alan Shills admits he is not a tax expert, and suggests that you consult a professional. FINALLY something we can agree on.

At 3:33 he makes the inference that Dry Cleaning is deductible since you are a business owner. BULLSHIT this is the problem with MLM advice, its crap. The only clothing or related expenses that are deductible are those specific to an industry that have little or no use outside work. Like a Welding Helmet, or a TuTu for a dancer. Don't You Dare Deduct These Expenses | Fox Business (http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2011/03/31/dont-dare-deduct-expenses/) (Oh by the way, bars, shakes, lotions, potions, that you buy on your monthly MLM PV plan, NOT DEDUCTIBLE, another MLM LIE!) It pays not to deal with idiots, but this is small ball, a few other points.

In al.sills video he uses a mileage expense and compares driving your car to a job versus using your car when a 1099 business owner. One thing that jumps out immediately is if you drive to and from your job, you get a paycheck, in virtually all circumstances you come out AHEAD. Let's say you start an MLM business and drive 50 miles to an appointment, for 2013 the standard mileage deduction is $.565 per mile, or $28.25. That's not free money, it is a cost, wear and tear, gas, and higher insurance premiums if you are on the road a lot. And what if you don't make a sale? Then you are essentially out $28.25, what if you do this 200 times over the course of a year in your MLM business. $5650 in allowable deduction/auto expense. This is only an "advantage" if you actually have sales far in excess of your time and expense. It is not "magic" or some "Rich Dad Secret", it is a cost of doing business. If you hear this spiel about creating this massive tax shelter with your MLM business, like I said, IDIOTS. But there's more...

Ah says (7:42 of video) Alan Sills, if you lose money in your MLM business you can deduct it against the income from your J.O.B. GREAT, you have just lost money, no bonus, no freebies, you lost. Let's say your MLM business loses $5000 and you apply that LOSS against the income form your job. Your tax savings, let's call it $1,500 using 30%. Great job, you just spent $5K to save a grand and a half. Yeah, that is quite a goodie bag of financial wizardry. Someone should make a video about it.

The ONLY way carrying business losses to your 1040 is any financial advantage is if you are CHEATING on your taxes. If you take a vacation and call it business expense because you hassled some kid at Starbucks, or write off your tookie bars, you have broke the law, but yes you did save money on taxes. I would not shoot U-Tube videos yucking this up.

Finally, the IRS has something called the Hobby Loss Rule. Is Your Hobby a For-Profit Endeavor? (http://www.irs.gov/uac/Is-Your-Hobby-a-For-Profit-Endeavor%3F) The IRS expects your endeavor to earn money in at least 3 out of 5 years, with a little wiggle room based how things are handled. THE BIGGEST RED FLAG FOR AN AUDIT, personal income offset with business income cause your "business" is not making any money.

So the next person that tries to sell you on BUSINESS EXPENSES being some sort of Robert Kiyosaki secrets of the wealthy --KNOW YOU DEALING WITH AN IDIOT and move along.







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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWCTUbpPk5o

ribshaw
12-27-2013, 01:04 PM
Part II of avoiding idiots, and when I say "IDIOTS" I don't mean this in a cute way.

Folks like @alansills are getting people to invest money in very questionable schemes, and seem not to have one inkling of business acumen. In MANY cases this is money people can't afford to lose. Before I dive in, a "A message for Rick", if you want to blow 8 minutes of your life. My message to the "Ricks" of the world, if $250 is a lot of money to you, if you are in a bad place in your life, and someone is trying to take it from you on the premise of some "venture", they do not have YOUR interests at heart. You want to spin the dice, when you can't get at your money expect the second screen shot as posted by LRM.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHTdaaUxyKQ
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From the tax video above, Alan Sills mentions at 8:06 reporting income form a "Foreign Company" where NO 1099 is issued.

Now what company (Banners Broker) could ever he be mentioning? One thing is correct, whether you get a 1099 or not the income MUST be reported to the IRS. What he seems not to understand "when it hits your BANK ACCOUNT" is nonsense. Under US Tax law income MUST be reported and TAXES PAID when you have CONSTRUCTIVE RECEIPT. This is how anyone with the slightest smidge of knowledge would have realized HE and is FOLLOWERS were being scammed. Constructive Receipt occurred when Banners Broker "profits" were available to be rolled over as he advocates in his videos. The FACT that the ONLY option available was to roll over profits does not violate Constructive Receipt, it means there is NO MONEY and YOU are being scammed. Success Coach my ass.

An individual or company is considered to have control over income when it is credited to that person or company. What is Constructive Receipt - Constructive Receipt Definition - Receipt of Income (http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/glossaryc/g/constructivercv.htm)

According to IRS (Publication 538), income is constructively received when an amount is credited to your account or made available to you without restriction, even if you don't have possession of it.
Publication 538 (12/2012), Accounting Periods and Methods (http://www.irs.gov/publications/p538/ar02.html)

"Without restriction" does not mean Chris Smith spinning yarns for a year. Restriction, would be something like bankruptcy proceedings, the fact that Al Sills claimed to be "earning an income" with Banners Broker, MASSIVE FAIL.

The second thing that should have jumped out immediately to our video making chum is how companies EARNING INCOME SOURCED in the US are TAXED. If a company has a bunch of affiliates doing work in the US, unless they are exempt under some treaty, the corporation must file a US tax return and PAY TAXES. To be 100% clear on this, (absent a tax treaty) if a company earns income in the US, they pay tax on that income. Form 1120-F, U.S. Income Tax Return of a Foreign Corporation (http://www.irs.gov/uac/Form-1120-F,-U.S.-Income-Tax-Return-of-a-Foreign-Corporation)

Long story short, since commissions and salary reduce taxable income a foreign corporation would be mad not to issue a US contractor a 1099 or foreign equivalent as it is their proof they are in compliance. (If someone in the US does some web design or something similar for a foreign company that does no business in the US that is not what we are talking about here, we are talking about a company that claims to have earned MILLIONS of dollars using contractors in the US)

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SECTION 179 (9:15 of video, Al gushes over the perks available to RV owners). If you place assets in service for a business, it is well worth looking at SECTION 179. BUT it is still not a free lunch. You have to pay for stuff, and in the case of say an RV, when you convert it back to personal use, or sell it the some of the depreciation has to be recaptured.

If I were going to attempt this transaction, I would use a qualified tax professional. On the surface what he mentions is a very questionable deduction. Here is a link to the CASE http://www.ustaxcourt.gov/InOpHistoric/shirley.TCM.WPD.pdf few details, this was for a Class A motor home, I learned there are three classes A, B, and C, NONE of which Alan Sills has. Have you seen the trailer he lives in, UH NO MOTOR.

From the opinion:
,” but is allowable if a
motor home is “used primarily as a means of transportation.”
It thus asks an imponderable question--when a vehicle can be
simultaneously used for both lodging and transportation, how can
one tell which use is primary

I am not 100% on this, but I believe that to satisfy the business use requirement under Section 179 you would need allocate "business use" based on mileage, not the time you sit in a lot in some campground. What is more clear Publication 946 (2012), How To Depreciate Property (http://www.irs.gov/publications/p946/ch02.html#en_US_2012_publink1000107395)

Property used for lodging. Generally, you cannot claim a section 179 deduction for property used predominantly to furnish lodging or in connection with the furnishing of lodging.

When you use property for both business and nonbusiness purposes, you can elect the section 179 deduction only if you use the property more than 50% for business in the year you place it in service.

So how does a man who works as a ski instructor, seems to spend a lot of time skiing and making videos about skiing, with no MOTOR on his trailer, and seemingly not using it for more than 50% of the time for business justify making a video where he brings it up?

Maybe it is 100% on the up and up, but I sure would not want to be on the other side of that audit.

laidback
12-27-2013, 01:16 PM
What many people, (certainly most of the ones that get mixed up with the likes of Al Shills...) don't understand is that tax AVOIDANCE is legal, whereas tax EVASION is not, and it usually takes more than a casual glance to ascertain the difference.

ribshaw
12-28-2013, 01:28 PM
I would sooner get my health advice from this fella than Al Sills.

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If you don't want to go to far, watch the video and compare it to the company disclaimer. Thinking about peddling this potion, take a hard look at the distributor agreement. If 10-20 years from now people start dropping like flies, will the company stand behind you? Doctors, you know the folks that waste their time in medical school and yearly continued education spend a lot of time thinking about asset protection. Protect your assets before you're sued | Medical Economics (http://medicaleconomics.modernmedicine.com/medical-economics/news/clinical/personal-finance/protect-your-assets-youre-sued)

I can only concur that MLM'ers that make oodles more than medical professionals consider the risk equation. Maybe Al can sell you a Nevada Corporation, they are da bomb in the huckster community. Kardashians Are Slammed with $5 Million QuickTrim Diet Pill Lawsuit - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/the-kardashian-sisters-are-being-sued-for-millions-of-dollars-over-diet-pills-2012-3)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QgDwQ4n1EY

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Sure you say, but what are the risks of supplements? Al Sills (!) thoroughly researches the things he sells.

FDA: OxyElite Pro supplements linked to hepatitis cases, one death - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-oxyelite-pro-supplements-linked-to-hepatitis-cases-one-death/)
Multivitamins Linked to Higher Death Risk in Older Women | TIME.com (http://healthland.time.com/2011/10/11/vitamins-and-supplements-linked-to-higher-risk-of-death-in-older-women/)
Testosterone Supplements Tied to Heart Attacks, Strokes, Early Death - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/11/05/testosterone-supplements-tied-to-heart-attacks-strokes-early-death/)
The Cult of Supplements and the Dangers of Multi-Level Marketing | Breaking Muscle (http://breakingmuscle.com/nutrition/the-cult-of-supplements-and-the-dangers-of-multi-level-marketing)

OK, OK, I know you are saying but ribshaw you hate everything, you just don't want people to make it big. Surely there is some solid science behind this potion. Double, Triple Blind studies, AL demands the best.

This is from some place called the MAYO CLINIC, i believe they make that delicious stuff that goes on a sandwich?

These uses have been tested in humans or animals. Safety and effectiveness have not always been proven. Some of these conditions are potentially serious, and should be evaluated by a qualified healthcare provider. Arginine: Evidence - MayoClinic.com (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/l-arginine/NS_patient-arginine/DSECTION=evidence)

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Web MD, the other trusted name in all things medical.

Common Vitamins and Supplements to Treat High blood pressure (http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/condition-1706-High+blood+pressure.aspx?diseaseid=1706&diseasename=High+blood+pressure&source=0)

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What I see, overall is longer term studies are needed. But, none of that is as important as building healthy downline.

This just came out recently, next week something new I'm sure.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/16/a_medical_journal_on_multivitamins_stop_wasting_yo ur_money.html

JustTooMuchTime
12-28-2013, 08:33 PM
Wait a minute. The connection is so obvious!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0YjSIkfkbU

ribshaw
12-29-2013, 12:19 PM
Wait a minute. The connection is so obvious!

LOL the van by the river is all Al, the pep talk sounds like me. Sans the plaid coat, when I had my colors done it was recommended stripes, vertical stripes. ??? Not even a color???

The Martin Short character in this skit was always one of my favorites.


http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5999248/60_minutes/

There were some splices people did with other videos and the character that were pretty funny.

nathan thurm - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nathan+thurm&sm=1)

ribshaw
01-18-2014, 11:31 AM
A big happy new year to Alan's wallet from your bank account. I was so hoping Alan had taken stock of all the things he has been wrong about, turned over a new leaf, and found himself an honest job. He does fess up to having a job, sort of odd for someone who ridicules "JOBS". Oh well.

To recap the video. Arginine Alan is still is a big believer but he appears to be moving to a new company to peddle it. He has given up the ghost on Rippln http://www.realscam.com/f9/rippln-pyramid-scheme-mlm-fun-game-you-decide-2241/, as he claims "I have always had some concerns with the CEO" WTF?????????????????

So let's get this straight, Alan.Sills is someone who has no issue recruiting people into a scheme where he has problems with the CEO? Of course elsewhere he praises Chris Smith the CEO of Banners Broker, a man who has owed affiliates money for over a year. Leaving out the vendor switch for Arginine completely, WHAT THE HELL IS ALAN SILLS CRITERIA for asking people to invest money in one of the numerous ventures he is peddling?

Final take away is his opportunity in gold and silver. I have not dug into this, but the way he references this he has links where he can make a buck on your purchases.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmrZSRKhpFE

Whip
01-18-2014, 12:16 PM
A big happy new year to Alan's wallet from your bank account. I was so hoping Alan had taken stock of all the things he has been wrong about, turned over a new leaf, and found himself an honest job. He does fess up to having a job, sort of odd for someone who ridicules "JOBS". Oh well.

To recap the video. Arginine Alan is still is a big believer but he appears to be moving to a new company to peddle it. He has given up the ghost on Rippln http://www.realscam.com/f9/rippln-pyramid-scheme-mlm-fun-game-you-decide-2241/, as he claims "I have always had some concerns with the CEO" WTF?????????????????

So let's get this straight, Alan.Sills is someone who has no issue recruiting people into a scheme where he has problems with the CEO? Of course elsewhere he praises Chris Smith the CEO of Banners Broker, a man who has owed affiliates money for over a year. Leaving out the vendor switch for Arginine completely, WHAT THE HELL IS ALAN SILLS CRITERIA for asking people to invest money in one of the numerous ventures he is peddling?

Final take away is his opportunity in gold and silver. I have not dug into this, but the way he references this he has links where he can make a buck on your purchases.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmrZSRKhpFE

They all have jobs. And they need others with jobs so they can steal their money. The whole scammer schpeel is hypocritical if you really analyze it. Perfect example is that letter LRM posted about WCM777. There's so much hypocrisy in that it will make your head spin.

ribshaw
01-19-2014, 10:39 PM
They all have jobs. And they need others with jobs so they can steal their money. The whole scammer schpeel is hypocritical if you really analyze it. Perfect example is that letter LRM posted about WCM777. There's so much hypocrisy in that it will make your head spin.

Yeppers, Alan's only discernable business or skill so far as I can see involves making a JOB out of signing people up for **** who in turn get a JOB signing yet more people up. He may as well be dressed as the Statue Of Liberty or a Chicken waving people into strip malls from the the side of the road.

Reminds me of this as well.

A (MLM) Skeptic: Why Is Robert Kiyosaki Trying to Shoehorn MLM onto his Cashflow Quadrant in the WRONG Quadrant? (http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2013/12/why-is-robert-kiyosaki-trying-to.html)

The MLMers will say that it's in "B" quadrant. In fact, even Kiyosaki claimed that "network marketing is what I recommend for people who want to move to the B quadrant".

WRONG!


Let's consider the facts: what exactly do you own when it comes to network marketing?

You own your customer list, and you own your "genealogy" (i.e. your downlines), nothing more. In fact, in some cases, you own even less than that, esp. if it's written into your affiliate agreement that you don't own ANY OF WHAT.

You do NOT own a system. You paid to use a marketing system. You are just a salesperson. So that makes you neither B nor I. At best, you're E or S.

Ah, but you say, but I own a sales team! That's something, right?

No, as I said. You don't own that, esp. when most MLMs will SUE YOU if you try to poach your downline and move them to some other MLM you are joining.

What does that leave you?

NOTHING other than some "business skills"... But that just moves you from E to S, not to B.

ribshaw
06-10-2014, 03:26 PM
Just when I thought Alan Sills was coming around and letting people get the full story behind his slopportunities. He seems to be back deleting dissenting views. I love the part where he says he has a "head for business", yet he keeps getting involved in scams. Which in and of itself is not so bad, but all the scams he gets in require recruiting.

Other than his prissy attitude and the ole business has risk, what really bothers me is this clown does not have a "head for business". He has no earthly idea how to tell a scam from a real business.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9S5v1jMTuA

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Whip
06-10-2014, 05:22 PM
He has no earthly idea how to tell a scam from a real business.


Oh, he does. He knows enough that it requires real money, work, and knowledge. That's why all these assclown think it's easier to grift not realizing they are working harder at not working.

ribshaw
06-10-2014, 07:09 PM
That's why all these assclown think it's easier to grift not realizing they are working harder at not working.

I often wonder about that, not just with Pyramid/Ponzi stuff, but with MLM. The people who "seem" to be making a solid income are recruiting hundreds if not thousands into their downlies. Then they have to keep hunting when scams blow up, or people drop out. That hardly seems passive, and most of these "experts" appear to be living hand to mouth.


The "location neutral lifestyle" that Alan is always yammering about leaves me a bit hollow.

Whip
06-10-2014, 07:15 PM
I often wonder about that, not just with Pyramid/Ponzi stuff, but with MLM. The people who "seem" to be making a solid income are recruiting hundreds if not thousands into their downlies. Then they have to keep hunting when scams blow up, or people drop out. That hardly seems passive, and most of these "experts" appear to be living hand to mouth.


The "location neutral lifestyle" that Alan is always yammering about leaves me a bit hollow.

I don't believe for a second he has more than one mailbox. I doubt he can afford gas to move his domicile much less more than one box rent.

ribshaw
06-10-2014, 08:10 PM
Well the missus just got home, so playtime is over. :crying_2: But not before me explain to my bestie Al about the dangers of Arginine.

Arginine use was associated with death in some people with heart conditions. Caution is also needed when using arginine to treat pre-eclampsia (high blood pressure in pregnancy).

Arginine hydrochloride has been used to treat metabolic alkalosis. This use should be under the supervision of a qualified healthcare professional.

Arginine Background - Drugs and Supplements - Mayo Clinic (http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/arginine/background/hrb-20058733)

(!)Let's face it, screw the Mayo clinic if you want sound medical advice go to U-Tube. MLM companies have a terrific track record of putting the bestest ingredients in a bottle and not telling lies about their benefits. End of day, people's health is never as important as building your downLIE.(!)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ0SHqS4e4E

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littleroundman
06-10-2014, 08:21 PM
Forget about the fact taking it can be fatal, does it have a good comp plan attached ??

Whip
06-10-2014, 08:45 PM
Forget about the fact taking it can be fatal, does it have a good comp plan attached ??

It must not or sKamanski would be in it and not bashing his buddy in crime.

Soapboxmom
06-10-2014, 08:46 PM
Is that our own Braddles quoted above???

littleroundman
06-10-2014, 09:11 PM
Is that our own Braddles quoted above???

If I had to guess, I'd say it is more likely to be someone with a warped sense of humour impersonating Braddles

ribshaw
06-11-2014, 11:42 AM
Forget about the fact taking it can be fatal, does it have a good comp plan attached ??

The warnings about death from Arginine have been deleted from Al's channel. Can't say as I am surprised, Alan is a shithead (one of many) who seem to care more about money in their pockets than giving a full picture of the "opportunities" they present. In my opinion of course, maybe I have it all wrong.

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There is a serious financial (never mind moral) risk to peddling supplements if things go wrong, highlighted most notably in the case below. As an IBO of any of these MLM WONDER POTIONS the distributor is very likely 100% personally liable if sued. Each person has to decide what is the right level of risk/reward for them when they consider entering a business.



The family of a fashion designer who suffered a fatal stroke while working out with a personal trainer claimed in a lawsuit filed yesterday that the woman's death was caused by the nutritional supplements her trainer instructed her to take.

Health Club and Trainer Are Sued in a Death - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/29/nyregion/health-club-and-trainer-are-sued-in-a-death.html)

You—as a personal trainer—can be sued if you recommend dietary supplements to your clients. This is a fact most people never consider when they decide to become involved with supplements. This can happen whether you are a trainer working at a gym or if you are a self employed personal trainer.

There is no liability waiver and no personal trainer liability insurance that will protect you if you are sued because of supplements you recommend. In fact, personal trainer liability insurance policies sometimes even say up front that if you are sued because of dietary supplement recommendations, they will not help you.

Should Personal Trainers Recommend Supplements? - Joe Cannon, MS | Exercise Physiologist (http://www.joe-cannon.com/personal-trainer-recommend-supplements-ephedr/)

ribshaw
08-13-2014, 04:32 PM
Alan.Sills has a new video instructing people on how to ID "legitimate" work from home opportunities, a bit like Justin Bieber shooting manners short. Considering how colossal some of the scams Sills has promoted let's review the following from the video:

1. "Trading Hours for Dollars" if you hear any version of this in a presentation at best you are being pitched MLM, at worst a Ponzi/Pyramid Scam. While there is always a one off, find the most successful person(s) you know and they work, chances are a lot. To say otherwise files in the face of reality. (If a product based pitch and less than 50% is being sold to people not in the business it very likely is an illegal pyramid as highlighted here. The telltale signs of a pyramid scheme | Consumer Information (http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/telltale-signs-pyramid-scheme))

2. "Residual Income" This is another buzzword that is thrown around Rich Dad/Liar Dad Robert Kiyosaki Land, many times with some variation of 1. Want residual income, make up a rich dad and stories about him. Or sell other crap to people who desperately want a residual income, works like a charm. But you must consider is the person tossing these words around really able to provide you residual income, or do they just want to sell you a dream? For instance, Kiyosaki never made it in MLM, so who would know better than he?

3. "Leverage, Team, Overrides" Problem is everyone in the team is being sold the same lie about residual income while they sleep. Hence the 99% failure rate and almost certain losses in MLM. Which is why Al et. al. have to continually shoot videos to find fresh money, if they had 1,2 & 3 their "team" would be making the videos and they would be "mentoring".

4. "Mentor" There have been people in my life who have helped me personally and professionally so I take no issue with a mentor per se. The question becomes is the mentor trying to sell you something? Would a true mentor not be willing to have you work for them, pay you a reasonable wage, and let you learn the ropes? Al mentions both the insurance agent and the real estate broker in his video. Last I looked, most agency owners worked in the industry for a period of time and then struck out on their own.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249WBnZJVFY&list=UUTp43bBK7o60yK3ai5dYlTw


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If you are looking at "work at home" there is some good reading out there.

Two final thoughts:

1. It is almost impossible to make more money at home than someone would already pay for your skill set. If you are making $10 per hour and someone is offering you $50 an hour antenna need to go up.

2. If you are asked for cash up front, it is almost certainly a scam. If you are asked to send part of a check, and/or goods ditto. Even if not illegal, do you want a garage full of protein shakes or makeup? If people could sell the stuff, they would not be advertising and unloading it on you.



FBI — Common Fraud Schemes (http://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/fraud)
Business Opportunity Scams | Consumer Information (http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/features/feature-0019-business-opportunity-scams)
Avoid Getting Scammed By Work At Home Job Offers.html (http://www.scambusters.org/work-at-home-jobs.html)
Avoiding Work-at-Home Scams | Fox Business (http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2013/09/06/avoiding-work-at-home-scams/)
Beware these work-at-home scams - - MSN Money (http://money.msn.com/personal-finance/beware-these-work-at-home-scams)
Fraud.org - Work-At-Home Scams (http://www.fraud.org/scams/general-fraud/work-at-home-scams)
Work From Home guide | www.clarkhoward.com (http://www.clarkhoward.com/news/clark-howard/employment-military/work-home-guide/nFZH/)
The Truth About Working At Home (http://www.workathometruth.com/)
https://www.eagleresearchassociates.org/job-scam-alert-2/

Joe_Shmoe
04-20-2015, 07:24 PM
Would you buy an RV from this guy?

Alan Sills is now selling RVs

http://rvacrossamerica.net/rv-sales-its-like-a-pit-stop-casper/ (http://rvacrossamerica.net/rv-sales-its-like-a-pit-stop-casper/)

Whip
04-20-2015, 09:08 PM
Would you buy an RV from this guy?

Alan Sills is now selling RVs

http://rvacrossamerica.net/rv-sales-its-like-a-pit-stop-casper/ (http://rvacrossamerica.net/rv-sales-its-like-a-pit-stop-casper/)

but why? that's a real job that I thought one didn't need when they followed his sage scam advice.
I wonder if the rv place knows he's looking for a job from them.

ribshaw
04-21-2015, 10:30 AM
but why? that's a real job that I thought one didn't need when they followed his sage scam advice.
I wonder if the rv place knows he's looking for a job from them.

You are correct, 2:40 https://twitter.com/alan_sills not a fan of trading hours for dollars.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUplyHoxK5o

People, ask Alan about paying for your new RV by funding a Banners Broker account, he is a teacher/trainer and more. If you take your Banners Broker back office balance to any lender you will be approved faster than someone with an 850 FICO Score.

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ribshaw
06-20-2016, 05:53 PM
That would be part of a $100M Ponzi Scheme Alan Sills. http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index675.html#post102591

Some people just don't know when to STFU.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXOexAwP2wI

@alansills scammer

Earning Income on the Road - First of a Series (http://rvacrossamerica.net/earning-income-road/)

Whip
06-20-2016, 07:46 PM
guess he figures authorities won't be able to find him if he plays the 'mobile' card.