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Wizzard7
08-26-2010, 09:49 AM
I received a message recently which extolled the wonders of My Premier Business, and "matrix" program which infers they can get your groceries for free after you bring in 6 people. Plus, they say you can get gift cards and $300 checks whenever you "cycle". I am not rushing headlong into anything these days.

Just wondered if anyone else has heard of this. I have removed names, links and email addresses for obvious reasons.


Hi. my name is Rose. Yes, I was an ASD member and loved it and sad to see the opportunity go. I want you to seriously look at http://www dot WeCreateRiches dot com AND or http://www dot mpbtoday dot com

A marketing arm for home good/grocery distribution for WALMART saw a trend growing as no other in this business - now 1 billion dollar business and projected to be 85 billion in 5-10 years. Our company MPB (MyPremeirBusiness) is an arm of this Southeastern Distribution Center.

We are simply CUSTOMERS of Walmart. You go in with $200 and are given a certificate/voucher in your back office. You may redeem this at any moment by going online and ordering from Walmart , but you pay shipping. OR wait until you introduce to two and help them introduce opportunity to two.

That would complete your cycle (6people of whom the ONLY qualification for you is to enroll two). You may choose to personally enroll all six which would be amazing! Then go to back office and redeem your previously placed $200 voucher and go online and purchase grocery/goods from Walmart

ONLY NOW company pays all shipping. OR you may replace voucher for $200 WalmartGiftCard to go into the store. PLUS company will send you $300 for completing a cycle and spend anywhere you please. Every person in your matrix tree always follows you.

You may cycle as often as you wish. Some are cycling two to seven times weekly (7 WalmartGiftCard and seven $300 dollar checks. On and on and on. You never put another dime into program - UniqueBuyingClub. No manuals to read or monthly dues or any requirements - just share so others, too can get FREE grocery/goods and even FREE gas at Sam Club.

Orlando is ramping it up. New company and my girlfriend did background check and all is good. I will let you get back to me and please lets share this with a multitude of folks because so many are really hurting and this is a simple way to help each other. Walmart is loving the results!! Blessings. 407-XXX-0953 rosalysXX@xxxxx.com

:RpS_thumbdn:

littleroundman
08-26-2010, 10:24 AM
Do a quick calculation on a "2X2 matrix" and you'll quickly see what the sca......err....trick is.

1 person gets 2 more = 3 people
3 people all get 2 each = 6 people
6 people all get 2 each = 12

Saying you only need to get 2 people makes it sound easy
but, you're effectively doubling the number of people with each cycle.



Wheat on a Chess Board

© Copyright 2000, Jim Loy
http://www.jimloy.com/checkers/empty.gifThere is a well-known story of the man who invented chess. The local ruler was so pleased with the invention that he offered the inventor a great reward in gold. The inventor suggested an alternative reward: he would get one grain of wheat on the first square of the chess board, two grains on the second square, four on the third, eight on the fourth, etc., doubling the number of grains each time. The ruler saw that this must be a much better deal for him, and accepted. The board has 64 squares. How many total grains of wheat did the ruler have to pay the inventor?
Answer: The number of grains on the 64th square is 2^63 (2 to the 63rd power). The total number of grains on the board is 2^64-1. These facts can be easily deduced by considering just the first few squares, and generalizing your findings. A proof can be done using mathematical induction, or geometric series, or binary arithmetic. 2^64-1=18,446,744,073,709,551,615. That happens to be much more wheat than exists in the whole world. In fact, that amount of wheat would probably just fit in a building 25 miles long, 25 miles wide, and 1000 feet tall.


It doesn't matter if each person only has to "get" 6 people downline to cycle

The principle remains the same.

If everyone who joins has to "get 2 people" the resultant numbers of people required is the same.

A perfect example of why "pyramids" don't work and are illegal, no matter WHAT you call them.

Whip
08-26-2010, 10:32 AM
Hi. my name is Rose. Yes, I was an ASD member
I only had to get this far to know it was a scam.

WishfulThinking
09-07-2010, 07:13 PM
It may not take people on this board long to realize this is a scam, but MPB promoters are flooding the internet with promotions for this scheme. People with Food Stamps and seniors are being targeted with an extraordinary level of hype, even for an MLM business.

The operator of MPB, Gary Calhoun, has a checkered past and it seems that this is not his first rodeo targeting seniors for his scams.

Patrick Pretty is doing a very thorough job investigating MPB and it is well worth a read. It is more than likely that you or someone you know has already been approached by an MPB promoter.

MPB Today Operator Was Subject Of Inquiry By U.S. Food And Drug Administration For ‘Cell Rejuvenator’ Product That Claimed To Treat Lou Gehrig’s Disease, Alzheimer’s, Down Syndrome (http://patrickpretty.com/2010/09/07/mpb-today-operator-was-subject-of-inquiry-by-u-s-food-and-drug-administration-for-cell-rejuvenator-product-that-claimed-to-treat-lou-gehrigs-disease-alzheimers-down-syndrome/)

This one strikes me as particularly bad because of the economic situation of many of the people who they are targeting.

EagleOne
09-29-2010, 03:54 PM
Now come on. This has to be a real company and real business because Ken Russo said so. And we all know how much Ken knows about real businesses. After all, he told us he is one of the first to call it a scam when he sees it. Since he is promoting this, it can't be a scam. By the way, there are free eye exams at Wal*Mart for all members.

mcushman
12-04-2010, 04:34 PM
@littleroundman I agree with you on traditional 2X2 matrices. Especially, matrices that enter a second, a third, etc. It becomes mathematically impossible to ever reach a future matrix.

However, in the case of MBPT there are a couple of elements that make your analogy invalid, including the wheat on the checkerboard example. The two elements of their program are:

1. Automatic re-entry. When people in a matrix automatically are re-entered into their original "sponsor's" new matrix that changes the numbers drastically. On the checkerboard, it's like each wheat kernel is taken off it's square and placed on another square to add to its count. The total count drops dramatically.

2. Births. It's like starting out with 6 billion grains of wheat and more new grains are being added faster than grains are being used. It's pretty obvious that saturation is essentially impossible. I'm not a fan of Amway, but they've been around how long? Practically my adult lifetime and I'm 63.

What I think is unique about MPBT is that they are a hybrid. They combine the best of both worlds of Affiliate Marketing and MLM. Affiliate marketing pays "quickly", but is not easy for the mainstream. It requires technical expertise, a lot of time, and becomes a full time job. If you stop working your income runs down.

With MLM 95-98% of people who join an MLM don't make any money, and in fact lose money. There is virtually no income on the front end. With MPBT there is front end money and back end residual income. Most people are good for about 2 - 4 cycles on the front end. They make $300 to $600 per cycle, so they make an average of $400 per cycle. Since there is no "autoship" or any kind of payment after the first one time purchase, it's pure profit beginning with the first cycle which is more than their first investment.

So, they make real money on the front end and since the back end residual income starts after two cycles, they could actually make continual income after "finding two". Personally, with nearly 7 billion people in the world and an increase of over 217.000 per day currently, I'm not too worried about saturation.:RpS_smile:

Michael
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GlimDropper
12-06-2010, 08:10 PM
Thank you for joining us Mr.Cushman,


I suppose my first question to you is what product does MPB Today sell to people who are not part of the pay plan? I suppose you could say grocery delivery is a service and that's what the reps are selling but I don't really think that's true. Southeastern Delivery (MPB's parent company) does full service grocery delivery in the Pensacola Fla. area for what seems like a reasonable fee but from MPB Today's FAQ (http://www.mpbtoday.com/faq.php) we see that MPB only ships dry goods outside the Pensacola area and estimates their shipping costs to be anywhere between 25 and 50% of the food purchase. Why would anyone pay 25-50% more for a can of beans and wait a week for it to show up when they can buy it cheaper locally? In short, no one would especially when MPN will send them a Wallmart debit card instead. So if grocery delivery is not the service MPB is selling then what are they selling?

MBP is a simple money game. Pay your $200 (+$10/year for a website) and recruit like crazy and you can make money (and Wallmart cards). There's a name for this sort of thing, this a pyramid scheme and it's illegal. I would think someone like yourself with MLM experience running back twenty years (http://michaelcushman.com/mikesblog/?page_id=2) would be aware of this fact. But I see you've also played "team build" games (http://www.dreamteammoney.com/index.php?showtopic=66560&st=1000#) with Faith Sloan so perhaps you just don't care about the law.

You mention "automatic re-entry" as some sort of mitigating factor in assessing the math for MPB and it does change the numbers a bit but not for the better. Why are pyramid schemes illegal in the first place? For one thing they're unsustainable, no money is being created so for one person to take out more money than they put in, someone has to put in more money than they take out. The fact that in MPB some people can get paid (take money out) more than once and still only put money in once simply means that a greater total number of participants need to lose money in order to pay for that.

I wont even address your comment on the planets birth rate except to say it's a perfect "internet marketer" argument. Anyone stupid enough to be impressed by that is most defiantly your target market. The fact is all these lame little cycling matrix scams have a very short shelf life and MPB Today's web traffic is already declining. I'm sure you already got your money back and I'm sure you couldn't care less that the majority of the people who join at your suggestion wont be able to say the same. Why don't you go back to selling your hoodia lollipops (http://powerpopdiet.com/teamessante/) and please feel encouraged to start a discussion here about what ever product Vibrant Launch (http://www.vibrantlaunch.com/mcushman1) will be marketing once it gets under way, it sounds like it could be a natural fit with our primary areas of interest.

And you don't need to thank me for the SEO boost to your affiliate links, it's my pleasure.



Our good friend Patrick has been covering MBP Today quite extensively for several months. His commentary can be found here (http://www.patrickpretty.com/tag/mpb-today/).

baylee
01-25-2011, 09:12 PM
Gee, I was looking at ken/DrDave/russo's best ever programs and all of the sudden it came to me that this one is no longer in his signature! Now it wasn't that long ago he was pimping it hard and now it is no longer in his signature and not even talked about but it still shows up as active at certain scam forums.

Eddie Haskell
01-25-2011, 09:19 PM
Gee, I was looking at ken/DrDave/russo's best ever programs and all of the sudden it came to me that this one is no longer in his signature! Now it wasn't that long ago he was pimping it hard and now it is no longer in his signature and not even talked about but it still shows up as active at certain scam forums.

I know its a huge risk baylee but maybe you could ask Ken about this at TG.

Probably the smart thing to do would be to keep quiet. You will get at least a warning from one of the rouge mods for being off topic at the very least.

What ever happened to this scam anyway?

path2prosperity
01-26-2011, 03:56 AM
Gee, I was looking at ken/DrDave/russo's best ever programs and all of the sudden it came to me that this one is no longer in his signature! Now it wasn't that long ago he was pimping it hard and now it is no longer in his signature and not even talked about but it still shows up as active at certain scam forums.

MPB is still being very actively pimped by Jim Allen at Adlandpro (Scamlandpro) A Plan for Success... Your 12Second Commute is Here | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/837154/APlanforSuccessYour12SecondCommuteisHere.aspx?flag =209)

I would be interestred to know if any of you know anything about this 12SecondCommute the Jim Allen POS is pimping with a fair degree of success at Scamlandpro

WishfulThinking
01-26-2011, 12:23 PM
You may want to check this and Patrick Pretty's Blog - which has several up to datearticles on this scam.



http://www.realscam.com/f9/my-premier-business-scam-opportunity-272/ (http://www.realscam.com/f9/my-premier-business-scam-opportunity-272/)


Search Results: MPB Today (http://www.patrickpretty.com/?s=MPB+Today&submit=Go)

EagleOne
01-26-2011, 06:16 PM
Ken only keeps the programs in his sig line until he has milked all the referrals he is going to get and then he is on to the next one. He left this scam over a month ago and of course now his big "best ever" program is Club Asteria. He was also in the other MLM packaged food sale program too, but he didn't make as much off it as he has MPBToday. Of course he is making a lot in Club Asteria. I hope the feds takes CA down and also go after the major pimps like Ken. Only time will tell.

baylee
01-26-2011, 08:19 PM
I know its a huge risk baylee but maybe you could ask Ken about this at TG.

Probably the smart thing to do would be to keep quiet. You will get at least a warning from one of the rouge mods for being off topic at the very least.


LOL, I am trying to hold on and not get tossed but it is getting harder and harder to do as joesph has promised to toss all Nay-Sayers.

Today, 01:08 PM
Joseph Super Moderator * Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,571

Re: Bloody 'ell.......

I'm fine, thanks for asking

I can catch them in any way and I did it many times, and do it every single days ... multiple proxies may saved just short time period, maybe...

Any Way Attempts to deceive us will always have negative consequences, it's not acceptable at all
And Since you are all have a good communicate, You may ask them all - the next time create also this signature every time when a "New" sign up ...
"Goodbye TG naysayers... I die like a true blue rebel. Don't waste any time in mourning."

scratchycat
08-16-2012, 10:12 AM
A DIRECTORY OF MLM Matrix SCAMs Recycling pyramids Illegal (http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/MLM_matrix_scam.html)


MPB GROCERY SCAM UNDER INVESTIGATION?

AUG 13 2012 Complaints on checks still coming in. MPB website up and down! Now it turns out that people were conned into putting up a lot of start up money in what the MPB CEO (Gary Calhoun) called an I-Hub. the idea was it would a grocery pick-up & delivery that he was running through MPB Today. Ed. Note: Was the I Hub money raise a ponzi backend when the Matrix Scam started petering out? A way to go out in a blaze of glory?


It looks like the "goose" has unfortunately been cooked: A DIRECTORY OF MLM Matrix SCAMs Recycling pyramids Illegal (http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/MLM_matrix_scam.html)

If you joined. Don't give up. It happens. Brick and mortar business close everyday. People get laid off or fired. Don't let it steal your dreams. Learn from it and move on.

Prosperous regards,

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scratchycat
08-02-2013, 08:36 AM
@littleroundman I agree with you on traditional 2X2 matrices. Especially, matrices that enter a second, a third, etc. It becomes mathematically impossible to ever reach a future matrix.

However, in the case of MBPT there are a couple of elements that make your analogy invalid, including the wheat on the checkerboard example. The two elements of their program are:

1. Automatic re-entry. When people in a matrix automatically are re-entered into their original "sponsor's" new matrix that changes the numbers drastically. On the checkerboard, it's like each wheat kernel is taken off it's square and placed on another square to add to its count. The total count drops dramatically.

2. Births. It's like starting out with 6 billion grains of wheat and more new grains are being added faster than grains are being used. It's pretty obvious that saturation is essentially impossible. I'm not a fan of Amway, but they've been around how long? Practically my adult lifetime and I'm 63.

What I think is unique about MPBT is that they are a hybrid. They combine the best of both worlds of Affiliate Marketing and MLM. Affiliate marketing pays "quickly", but is not easy for the mainstream. It requires technical expertise, a lot of time, and becomes a full time job. If you stop working your income runs down.

With MLM 95-98% of people who join an MLM don't make any money, and in fact lose money. There is virtually no income on the front end. With MPBT there is front end money and back end residual income. Most people are good for about 2 - 4 cycles on the front end. They make $300 to $600 per cycle, so they make an average of $400 per cycle. Since there is no "autoship" or any kind of payment after the first one time purchase, it's pure profit beginning with the first cycle which is more than their first investment.

So, they make real money on the front end and since the back end residual income starts after two cycles, they could actually make continual income after "finding two". Personally, with nearly 7 billion people in the world and an increase of over 217.000 per day currently, I'm not too worried about saturation.:RpS_smile:

Michael
FREE Groceries, Gas, & Cash! | Groceries N Cash.com (http://www.groceriesncash.com) Just so you know, this page does not exist anymore!

So how is Michael doing these days now that the hero/crook Gary Calhoun is in jail??

Gary Calhoun, MPB Today MLM Operator, Jailed In Florida (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2013/07/30/gary-calhoun-mpb-today-mlm-operator-jailed-in-florida/)

What about the little guy over in Scamlandpro who was saying how great this MPB was and how honest Gary Calhoun was??


Scamlandpro - Your One-Stop Site for all Scams! (http://www.realscam.com/f9/scamlandpro-your-one-stop-site-all-scams-1276-print/index48.html)