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Soapboxmom
05-15-2013, 05:49 PM
I removed your personal urls. You will not be advertising here ever!

You might prove amusing however, so I will bite.

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laidback
05-15-2013, 07:20 PM
I removed your personal urls. You will not be advertising here ever!

You might prove amusing however, so I will bite.

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ribshaw
05-15-2013, 07:31 PM
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fromthehood
05-15-2013, 10:59 PM
LOL, along with his (her?) brags about the downline, and the similar to Zeek but with higher profits...

I told it before and will tell it again, these scammers consider any ponzi that achieved some notoriety as an honorable mention on their "resume". They really think it was positive achievement. And by "legitimate" they do not mean "in compliance with the law", but "they can not catch you" which of cause is false.

littleroundman
05-15-2013, 11:06 PM
I told it before and will tell it again, these scammers consider any ponzi that achieved some notoriety as an honorable mention on their "resume". They really think it was positive achievement.

It should always be remembered when discussing HYIP ponzis, that regular HYIP players consider any HYIP which is "paying" to be legitimate and that their definition of what constitutes a "scam" is entirely different than "normal" non-HYIP playing 'net users.

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 09:08 AM
It should always be remembered when discussing HYIP ponzis, that regular HYIP players consider any HYIP which is "paying" to be legitimate and that their definition of what constitutes a "scam" is entirely different than "normal" non-HYIP playing 'net users.
That is 100% correct. Wanted to add to that.

Paying=All is good "not a scam"
Selective payments= collapsing and only paying a few members, also is considered a "scam at this point"
Fast Scam= When the Admin runs away before even those on day 1 make profit, this is considered the worst thing that can happen, and is what we all fear most.
Scam=A program that obviously paid out until it could not sustain anymore "Considered a respectable Admin after that"

ribshaw
05-17-2013, 09:15 AM
That is 100% correct. Wanted to add to that.

Paying=All is good "not a scam"
Selective payments= collapsing and only paying a few members, also is considered a "scam at this point"
Fast Scam= When the Admin runs away before even those on day 1 make profit, this is considered the worst thing that can happen, and is what we all fear most.
Scam=A program that obviously paid out until it could not sustain anymore "Considered a respectable Admin after that"

LOL, instead of justifying all the nonsense why not either become a full blown pimp, or set up your own program that is were the only real money is going to be made. Right now you remind me of any gambler who is going to a casino with the latest system. Or if you are going to gamble, why not hit the casinos where the view is better and they give the biggest losers something back in comps.

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 09:52 AM
LOL, instead of justifying all the nonsense why not either become a full blown pimp, or set up your own program that is were the only real money is going to be made. Right now you remind me of any gambler who is going to a casino with the latest system. Or if you are going to gamble, why not hit the casinos where the view is better and they give the biggest losers something back in comps.
I joined this industry 1 year ago. Almost every program I join is with 0 referrals, I play everything 100% passively. I only join programs I believe I can earn in passively, and over the last year I have made a lot of $$$ with my strategy. I don't feel like trying to sell a program to people; I just give advice and information to those who already have deposited their money and might as well know the best strategy to get it out.

I tried running a program a few months back, but it was too much effort with school and what not, so I never launched.

To the casino comment, I AM playing a casino; except the odds are higher here =] It's almost impossible to stop once you are using "play money"

ribshaw
05-17-2013, 10:23 AM
To the casino comment, I AM playing a casino; except the odds are higher here =] It's almost impossible to stop once you are using "play money"

Couple thoughts (read advice) no particular order.

1. Take a statistics class, your math is way off on where the odds are better. As a simple analysis a perfect blackjack player (non card counter) can get the casino's take down to about 1%, as with craps playing full odds. From there it only gets worse, last I looked a horse track has a rake of 15%. On the Ponzi side the average referral fee is 5% and no admin is doing it for the rush, so let's call their rake another 5% (pretending he is one of the honest admins we are always reading about). That means for every $100 put in, only $90 is left to be paid out. In other words, even if you played the Ponzi game perfectly your long term expectation is to lose $10 for every $100 you play, best case!

2. If you never learn to walk away when you are ahead, you will never keep what you have. Stick with the Casino analogy, there were many nights I walked away from a casino table (usually a loser) walked past someone with a huge stack of chips. Next morning heading to breakfast, same guy, no chips, and a really pissed off wife.

3. There is a book I would recommend to anyone called The Richest Man in Babylon by George S Clason, first read it in my early 20s. Much better off today, and if I had taken everything I threw away on stupid stuff like gambling and sure fire deals, would be much-much better off.

Either way you know what you are involved with, and that is all any of us can hope to do here.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
05-17-2013, 10:40 AM
I joined this industry 1 year ago. Almost every program I join is with 0 referrals, I play everything 100% passively. I only join programs I believe I can earn in passively, and over the last year I have made a lot of $$$ with my strategy. I don't feel like trying to sell a program to people; I just give advice and information to those who already have deposited their money and might as well know the best strategy to get it out.

I tried running a program a few months back, but it was too much effort with school and what not, so I never launched.

To the casino comment, I AM playing a casino; except the odds are higher here =] It's almost impossible to stop once you are using "play money"

1. Interesting to hear you calling it "an industry". Given that ponzis are illegal in almost all the countries of the world, I think "a criminal subculture that masquerades as an industry" might be a more honest description.

2. Even if you personally dont have referrals, your passive earnings come from referrals of other participants, so every cent you gain is a cent someone else has lost, so there is little moral high ground to be gained by not actively recruiting a downline.

3. Passive income is an investment. In the case of the HYIPs, they are unregistered and without outside sources of income to boot, they are ponzis as the money only comes to you from other investors. This is true irrespective of whether they are in the US or using a shell company outside the US, as in the case of Adsprofitreward - as their actions are equally or even more illegal in Spain than the US.

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 10:46 AM
Couple thoughts (read advice) no particular order.

1. Take a statistics class, your math is way off on where the odds are better. As a simple analysis a perfect blackjack player (non card counter) can get the casino's take down to about 1%, as with craps playing full odds. From there it only gets worse, last I looked a horse track has a rake of 15%. On the Ponzi side the average referral fee is 5% and no admin is doing it for the rush, so let's call their rake another 5% (pretending he is one of the honest admins we are always reading about). That means for every $100 put in, only $90 is left to be paid out. In other words, even if you played the Ponzi game perfectly your long term expectation is to lose $10 for every $100 you play, best case!

2. If you never learn to walk away when you are ahead, you will never keep what you have. Stick with the Casino analogy, there were many nights I walked away from a casino table (usually a loser) walked past someone with a huge stack of chips. Next morning heading to breakfast, same guy, no chips, and a really pissed off wife.

3. There is a book I would recommend to anyone called The Richest Man in Babylon by George S Clason, first read it in my early 20s. Much better off today, and if I had taken everything I threw away on stupid stuff like gambling and sure fire deals, would be much-much better off.

Either way you know what you are involved with, and that is all any of us can hope to do here.

I know more on statistics than you will probably ever know, no offense. <--- Math major

I'll break it down simply for you. Best odds at a casino being generous is 50/50. My scam rate is far lower than half. So there you go, better odds here.

Also at this "casino" I only put money in once, 1 year ago, and never plan on putting new money in ever again. Now is that a tempting casino or what?

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 10:47 AM
1. Interesting to hear you calling it "an industry". Given that ponzis are illegal in almost all the countries of the world, I think "a criminal subculture that masquerades as an industry" might be a more honest description.

2. Even if you personally dont have referrals, your passive earnings come from referrals of other participants, so every cent you gain is a cent someone else has lost, so there is little moral high ground to be gained by not actively recruiting a downline.

3. Passive income is an investment. In the case of the HYIPs, they are unregistered and without outside sources of income to boot, they are ponzis as the money only comes to you from other investors. This is true irrespective of whether they are in the US or using a shell company outside the US, as in the case of Adsprofitreward - as their actions are equally or even more illegal in Spain than the US.
1. The Word industry is used for convenience.
2. I am well aware, same goes for Casinos
3. I know, that's why I don't Admin

ribshaw
05-17-2013, 11:04 AM
I know more on statistics than you will probably ever know, no offense. <--- Math major

LMAO


I'll break it down simply for you. Best odds at a casino being generous is 50/50. My scam rate is far lower than half. So there you go, better odds here.

LMAO, that is the dumbest thing I have read all day, and I have read a lot of dumb stuff so far. But that is what casinos and Pozni pimps count on.



Now is that a tempting casino or what?

When I was 20 I knew a lot more than I know now. Bookmark this page, it will be a nice ah ha moment for you in a few years.

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 11:11 AM
LMAO



LMAO, that is the dumbest thing I have read all day, and I have read a lot of dumb stuff so far. But that is what casinos and Pozni pimps count on.




When I was 20 I knew a lot more than I know now. Bookmark this page, it will be a nice ah ha moment for you in a few years.

The dumbest thing you can do is argue math, without math. Anyone can say, "LOL THATS DUMB".......prove it?

Anyone going with $500 to the Casino, would make far more money doing exactly what I do in the HYIP industry.

No need for the name calling, I don't "promote" anyways. I've even lost friends in real life do to REFUSING to teach/bring them into the industry.

littleroundman
05-17-2013, 11:16 AM
Can you "prove" the sun is going to be there in the morning ???

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 11:21 AM
Can you "prove" the sun is going to be there in the morning ???

Is everyone here 7 years old?

Obviously there are statistics on win rates at Casinos. Obviously I have statistics on my own personal performance in the HYIP industry.

I can compare the 2 and make a logical decision on which is more profitable. Why are we even arguing this?

~~~Wait ignore all that I just posted, I forgot I'm on RealScam let me fix that~~~

ROFLMAO THATS DUMB

littleroundman
05-17-2013, 11:25 AM
we are not "arguing"

we are keeping you here spouting juvenile B/S as long as is possible so that readers can get an idea of what the HYIP ponzi "industry" is REALLY like

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 11:27 AM
Couple thoughts (read advice) no particular order.

1. Take a statistics class, your math is way off on where the odds are better. As a simple analysis a perfect blackjack player (non card counter) can get the casino's take down to about 1%, as with craps playing full odds. From there it only gets worse, last I looked a horse track has a rake of 15%. On the Ponzi side the average referral fee is 5% and no admin is doing it for the rush, so let's call their rake another 5% (pretending he is one of the honest admins we are always reading about). That means for every $100 put in, only $90 is left to be paid out. In other words, even if you played the Ponzi game perfectly your long term expectation is to lose $10 for every $100 you play, best case!



Your math here is 100% correct, however experience increases your chance to win in HYIPs far more than it ever can in Casino games.

ribshaw
05-17-2013, 11:30 AM
I know more on statistics than you will probably ever know, no offense. <--- Math major

I'll break it down simply for you. Best odds at a casino being generous is 50/50. My scam rate is far lower than half. So there you go, better odds here.

When you get past your remedial math classes, ask one of your professors about Expected Value Calculations. Your 50/50 comment is so ill informed it makes me wonder if a major shift should not be seriously considered before you run up a massive debt you will never pay off on a Barista's salary. 50/50 IS ONLY relevant if you play a game ONCE. And there is NO GAME IN A CASINO where the odds are 50/50, and to further bring the odds in the Casinos favor they put upper limits on the amount you can bet. This is for the sole purpose of preventing well financed Martingale players from winning.

Now, I am just a hillbilly in the woods, no real business experience, no money, debt up to my eyeballs, one paycheck from the streets. But despite all of those obvious handicaps if you take my back of the tabaccy pouch calculations to any of your math professors they will confirm what I just told you about Expected Value.

Since you are a math major and all, I thought I would let you see where you went wrong with your 50/50 . How to Calculate an Expected Value: 5 Steps - wikiHow (http://www.wikihow.com/Calculate-an-Expected-Value)

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jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 11:30 AM
we are not "arguing"

we are keeping you here spouting juvenile B/S as long as is possible so that readers can get an idea of what the HYIP ponzi "industry" is REALLY like

You mean it became too hard to argue. :RpS_wink:

I firmly believe that people who understand what it is "really like" are all the more tempted to participate.

Can't see why a simple conversation is impossible to have. Honestly the only one acting like a juvenile is you =/

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 11:33 AM
When you get past your remedial math classes, ask one of your professors about Expected Value Calculations. Your 50/50 comment is so ill informed it makes me wonder if a major shift should not be seriously considered before you run up a massive debt you will never pay off on a Barista's salary. 50/50 IS ONLY relevant if you play a game ONCE. And there is NO GAME IN A CASINO where the odds are 50/50, and to further bring the odds in the Casinos favor they put upper limits on the amount you can bet. This is for the sole purpose of preventing well financed Martingale players from winning.



You realize I was being generous about the 50/50 to further prove my point right? Saying that no game is 50/50 in the casino only further proves my argument. Your win/loss ratio could be 80/20, and I still earn more in the HYIP realm passively. See my point?

ribshaw
05-17-2013, 11:40 AM
You realize I was being generous about the 50/50 to further prove my point right? Saying that no game is 50/50 in the casino only further proves my argument. Your win/rate ratio could be 80/20, and I still earn more in the HYIP realm passively. See my point?

No, the only thing I see is you are very deficient in even a rudimentary understanding of statistics. Let's start with one more thing about calculating odds. You will often hear a "TRUE COIN" has the same odds of coming up heads and tails as it approaches infinity. With Ponzi you have no "True Coin", you are dealing with criminals, I have never met a criminal that put money in your pocket half the time. So at its most base level your point makes no sense.

But, I can't stay here all day, as LRM said, this form is for people who want to come and see what things are all about. They can read what you wrote, they can read what the rest of us wrote, and they can decide what they want to do with their money.

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 11:44 AM
They can read what you wrote, they can read what the rest of us wrote, and they can decide what they want to do with their money.
Exactly! I am just sharing my point of view.

And the whole "dealing with criminals" that you mentioned just sounds like giving up on disproving me =/

ribshaw
05-17-2013, 11:47 AM
Exactly! I am just sharing my point of view.

And the whole "dealing with criminals" that you mentioned just sounds like giving up on disproving me =/

Giving up, oh you are a silly one. If I knock a man out cold, I don't need to spend the next 15 minutes kicking his limp body. The only thing I am giving up on you is words, life and time will teach you all the lessons you need to know.

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 11:54 AM
Giving up, oh you are a silly one. If I knock a man out cold, I don't need to spend the next 15 minutes kicking his limp body. The only thing I am giving up on you is words, life and time will teach you all the lessons you need to know.

And that's the same as saying "I dont care, I won"

No one is dead when your points are still being disproven, but I understand. I'm not here to make enemies, just here to share the other side of the debate. Lies exist on both sides as I'm starting to see now.

littleroundman
05-17-2013, 12:03 PM
And the whole "dealing with criminals" that you mentioned just sounds like giving up on disproving me

What's to disprove ???

You are spouting so much juvenile nonsense you are disproving your own "arguments"

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 12:10 PM
What's to disprove ???

You are spouting so much juvenile nonsense you are disproving your own "arguments"

Pointless posts with no substance are juvenile (Like^) I was simply responding to the HYIP vs. Casino success rate that was brought up. If you have nothing to add, then why post?

Lil Ol' Radical Me
05-17-2013, 02:00 PM
Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me View Post
1. Interesting to hear you calling it "an industry". Given that ponzis are illegal in almost all the countries of the world, I think "a criminal subculture that masquerades as an industry" might be a more honest description.

2. Even if you personally dont have referrals, your passive earnings come from referrals of other participants, so every cent you gain is a cent someone else has lost, so there is little moral high ground to be gained by not actively recruiting a downline.

3. Passive income is an investment. In the case of the HYIPs, they are unregistered and without outside sources of income to boot, they are ponzis as the money only comes to you from other investors. This is true irrespective of whether they are in the US or using a shell company outside the US, as in the case of Adsprofitreward - as their actions are equally or even more illegal in Spain than the US.



1. The Word industry is used for convenience.
2. I am well aware, same goes for Casinos
3. I know, that's why I don't Admin

1. You keep refer to it as an industry, which is an inconvenient word to use for participating in criminal activity, because ALL HYIPS are illegal in the form that they are promoted on the internet. High Yield Investments are generally available to experienced investors with an enormous number of regulatory controls. They do not go for, or even permit, 10$ participants without financial experience. There is a high yield investment industry. The HYIP "industry" is a criminal activity with the trappings and structure of legitimate business.

2. Casinos do not purport to be businesses which offer you a way to earn an income. They are what they state that they are - gambling institutions. HYIPs promote themselves on the basis of being either businesses or legitimate investments, which they are neither. They use lies in their promotional material to entice members to join. There is absolutely no comparison with Casinos at all, except for the element of risk.

3. Even participation, especially knowing participation, in illegal money games is also against the laws of many many countries. Profiting from an illegal enterprise is sufficient, without having to be an admin. It's sort of like saying that it's only a little bit illegal

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 02:49 PM
1. You keep refer to it as an industry, which is an inconvenient word to use for participating in criminal activity, because ALL HYIPS are illegal in the form that they are promoted on the internet. High Yield Investments are generally available to experienced investors with an enormous number of regulatory controls. They do not go for, or even permit, 10$ participants without financial experience. There is a high yield investment industry. The HYIP "industry" is a criminal activity with the trappings and structure of legitimate business.

2. Casinos do not purport to be businesses which offer you a way to earn an income. They are what they state that they are - gambling institutions. HYIPs promote themselves on the basis of being either businesses or legitimate investments, which they are neither. They use lies in their promotional material to entice members to join. There is absolutely no comparison with Casinos at all, except for the element of risk.

3. Even participation, especially knowing participation, in illegal money games is also against the laws of many many countries. Profiting from an illegal enterprise is sufficient, without having to be an admin. It's sort of like saying that it's only a little bit illegal

I agree except on number 3. In the eyes of the law participants in Ponzi's are victims. Even those who earned a LOT (Talking about passive players not big promoters obviously) are viewed as victims. The Admin's are those held accountable by the law. The worst circumstance to the average player is maybe clawbacks if you joined a giant.

littleroundman
05-17-2013, 07:42 PM
If you have nothing to add, then why post?

Simple,

the longer we can keep you here posting, the more readers are going to come to realize the great majority of HYIP ponzi players are ego driven smart ass fools with no morals or integrity and absolutely no grasp of reality.

Why WOULDN'T we want you to keep posting ??

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 08:07 PM
Simple,

the longer we can keep you here posting, the more readers are going to come to realize the great majority of HYIP ponzi players are ego driven smart ass fools with no morals or integrity and absolutely no grasp of reality.

Why WOULDN'T we want you to keep posting ??

Don't try to reverse psychology me out of RealScam =P

I have almost no ego, like most people I have little self-esteem.

Morals can be discussed day and night, and change with society over time. (How come you don't want to have that real discussion?)

Anyone reading this thread can quickly tell who has the real ego problem =/

Once again the only one posting here with low integrity has been you, and 1 other poster 1 page back.

The whole "reality" thing is just more worthless post material. Maybe be a bit more respectful to those who honestly come here to share their opinions? (In this case facts, since we were talking Gambling vs. HYIP's)

If you truly wanted me to keep posting here, then you would be more respectful. I have no intentions of leaving the forum, and can already see after 2 days of being on RealScam I have useful information to share that other did not know. I have also learned some too, there's no reason this forum can't be used to learn from one another. If you are going to follow me and respond to every post I make, try to be more civilized, or else I will just leave, and you don't want that......right?

littleroundman
05-17-2013, 08:29 PM
try to be more civilized, or else I will just leave, and you don't want that......right?

I think you have me confused with someone who cares whether you leave or not.

If you leave, there'll be another smart ass HYIP apologist along to replace you so quickly no one will notice the name has changed.

jarrettcomm
05-17-2013, 08:46 PM
Why WOULDN'T we want you to keep posting ??

I think you have me confused with someone who cares whether you leave or not.

What?

Well now I'm not even sure if you're the same person behind the computer posting each time. I'm just gonna ignore your posts, and talk to the rest of the community I guess.......

littleroundman
05-17-2013, 08:49 PM
Keeping you posting and caring whether you do or not are two completely different things.

Ask your English teacher to explain the difference when you go back to school on Monday

wserra
05-18-2013, 06:04 AM
I tried running a program a few months back, but it was too much effort with school and what not, so I never launched.

So you didn't scam people because you didn't have time. Good man.

There's always next year.

jarrettcomm
05-18-2013, 10:45 AM
So you didn't scam people because you didn't have time. Good man.

There's always next year.

The ironic thing is that it actually HURT my reputation not launching. Funny how that works eh?

Also, my site told people it was a straight up ponzi, and had the most honest FAQ section I think the industry has ever seen.

NikSam
05-18-2013, 10:58 AM
All of it is interesting, BUT ....

from 2 pages (37 posts) of discussion I see only 5 posts related to the topic

jarrettcomm
05-18-2013, 11:00 AM
All of it is interesting, BUT ....

from 2 pages (37 posts) of discussion I see only 5 posts related to the topic

I apologize for derailing the topic. I didn't expect to have a reputation here lol. I assumed I wold be joining as a nobody, and your administrators jumped on me, so I had no option but to respond.

ProfHenryHiggins
05-18-2013, 06:06 PM
It appears that the original poster/spammer who started this thread goes by "Bruno Js" online, and owns Adsprofitbrasill (http://www.adsprofitbrasill.com). He also uses unethical spamming to advertise his personal affiliate link. I'm not sure if I feel up to digging out Brazil's anti-spam and advertising laws at the moment, but if he keeps up the spam I may start swatting his websites and blogs trying to get across that that is not responsible or acceptable marketing practice, whether the business is legit or dishonest.