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ProfHenryHiggins
04-05-2013, 09:03 AM
The latest scam being pushed by Larry Oxenham and Greg Wilson, both of The People's Program.

Vanguard Global Ventures

Looking around a bit further, I also see that Gwen Mouzin and Paulette Peutz are promoting this one.



Some of Greg Wilson's involvement can be read at:
https://twitter.com/TurboProsperity
http://myvgv.com/turboprosperity
http://mycashgeyser.com
http://turboprosperity.com
http://archive.aweber.com/amcbiz
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdOuXafOsOZGCIippv2NJ0g?feature=watch

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Registered through: ExtremeFastWeb.com
Domain Name: MYVGV.COM
Created on: 26-Dec-12
Expires on: 26-Dec-13
Last Updated on: 26-Jan-13

Registrant:
AMS Inc

3334 E Coast Hwy #288
Corona Del Mar, California 92625
United States

Administrative Contact:
Rice, Daryl extremefastmail@gmail.com
AMS Inc
3334 E Coast Hwy #288
Corona Del Mar, California 92625
United States
(949) 760-2732

Technical Contact:
Rice, Daryl extremefastmail@gmail.com
AMS Inc
3334 E Coast Hwy #288
Corona Del Mar, California 92625
United States
(949) 760-2732

Domain servers in listed order:
NS3.RIPBYRD.COM
NS4.RIPBYRD.COM





Registered through: ExtremeFastWeb.com
Domain Name: VANGUARDGLOBALVENTURES.COM
Created on: 20-Dec-12
Expires on: 20-Dec-13
Last Updated on: 14-Jan-13

Registrant:
AMS Inc

3334 E Coast Hwy #288
Corona Del Mar, California 92625
United States

Administrative Contact:
Rice, Daryl extremefastmail@gmail.com
AMS Inc
3334 E Coast Hwy #288
Corona Del Mar, California 92625
United States
(949) 760-2732

Technical Contact:
Rice, Daryl extremefastmail@gmail.com
AMS Inc
3334 E Coast Hwy #288
Corona Del Mar, California 92625
United States
(949) 760-2732

Domain servers in listed order:
NS15.IXWEBHOSTING.COM
NS16.IXWEBHOSTING.COM


http://www.bizapedia.com/nv/VANGUARD-GLOBAL-VENTURES-LLC.html

Hmm. That's the same Daryl Rice who ran americanmailingsystems.org.
http://www.bizapedia.com/nv/AMERICAN-MAILING-SYSTEMS-INC.html

And probably Affiliate Marketing Service as well.
http://www.bizapedia.com/ca/AFFILIATE-MARKETING-SERVICE-INC.html

And... oh dear.
http://www.bizapedia.com/ca/MAILING-SYSTEMS-INTERNATIONAL-INC.html
http://www.bizapedia.com/nv/MAILING-SYSTEMS-INTERNATIONAL-INC.html
http://www.manta.com/c/mmlp92w/m-s-i-direct-response

Permanently revoked? Than remade in another state?


Could this be the same Daryl Rice who was involved in the Thomas Burton money laundering sting operation?
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/strong-476899-burton-bar.html
http://ca.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20090915_0003776.CCA.htm/qx
http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=1893606&doc_no=S161928


Just in case, I think that I had best list some of Daryl's known websites and business data.
They include a number of sites apparently being used by others, but registered in Daryl's name, in
addition to those which his company runs.



Daryl R. Rice

extremefastmail@gmail.com
daryl@mailingteam.com
806-209-0970
949-760-2732
949-722-8893
949-631-3575
949-722-2524
http://www.mailingteam.com
http://www.myvgv.com
http://www.vanguardglobalventures.com
http://www.GetPaidBigMoneyAtHome.com
http://www.myelitegroup.com
http://www.mypostcardguy.com
http://www.printandmailfast.com
http://www.extremefastprint.com
http://www.proventoworksystem.com
http://www.postcardwealthsystem.com (under the name of Cheryl Rice, vitality@cox.net, but the same company)
http://www.PMF7.com
http://www.fortunelessons.com
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daryl-rice/46/874/105
http://www.get32bfree.com
http://www.vanguardrocks.com
http://www.getpaidmoneyathome.com
http://www.joinusgetpaid.com
http://www.wealthtrainingvideo.com
http://www.cashpowercenter.com
http://www.mailsystemsinc.com
http://www.provenpostcards.com
http://www.myelitegroup.com
http://www.getpaidonlineprofits.com
http://www.commonsensecashpump.com (cash gifting scam? Appears to have been made for a "Kenneth Meeks" KM1012.pdf )
http://www.empowerpostcards.com
http://www.getpaidonmonthlybills.com
http://www.freedvdprofits.com
http://yourichtoday.com ( http://www.mailingteam.com/pwg/trp.html )
http://www.easylifewealth.com



There appears to be a business connection between Daryl Rice and www.dajdirect.com , but the nature of it
is not yet known to me.

littleroundman
04-06-2013, 01:31 AM
The latest scam being pushed by Larry Oxenham and Greg Wilson, both of The People's Program.

Some of Greg Wilson's involvement can be read at:
https://twitter.com/TurboProsperity
VGV-Beach Capture Page (http://myvgv.com/turboprosperity)
VGV-Beach Capture Page (http://mycashgeyser.com)
Top Team of: The Peoples Program | The Empower Network | Amc-Usa (http://turboprosperity.com)
We're sad to see you leave, and hope you'll reconsider staying with us. (http://archive.aweber.com/amcbiz)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdOu...?feature=watch (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdOuXafOsOZGCIippv2NJ0g?feature=watch)

Greg Wilson aka TurboProsperity is a member of the Peoples Program (http://mysite.thepeoplesprogram.com/TurboProsperity/home.php?d=191206) illegal cash gifting scheme

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/gregpeoples_zps7884b346.jpg

Greg Wilson @ TurboProsperity on Twitter (https://twitter.com/TurboProsperity)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/gregtwitter_zpsa3a9dc7f.jpg

Greg Wilsons' own get-rich-quick-scam website TurboProsperity.com (http://turboprosperity.com/)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/greg1_zpsd2e0c5f0.jpg

westfam11
04-06-2013, 09:40 PM
The latest scam being pushed by Larry Oxenham and Greg Wilson, both of The People's Program.

What are you saying? Just because they are both in The People's Program that if they are in another program it is a scam? I don't see any proof at all.

I have to defend Larry Oxenham, shocked that you would say he is a scam. He has been around for quite awhile in the home business arena and he has always answered any questions I have. He answers all of his own e-mails, answers his phone. He is very transparent. He is so helpful and only wants to help others succeed.

I don't agree with the above posts at all.

ProfHenryHiggins
04-06-2013, 10:54 PM
Rebecca,
Whether he is nice and helpful has nothing to do with the matter under discussion. The fact remains that "cash gifting," one of Larry's core businesses, is a crime throughout the United States. The fact also remains that the man is one of The People's Programs' biggest trainers, teaching victims to break the law on his own behalf.

And in case you missed it, the majority of the post wasn't even about him, but rather his business partner Daryl Rice.



Rebecca West (used Becky West when she was in Ad Surf Daily)

7562 Hillcress Ct.,
Barnhart, Missouri 63012

rebpaparazzi@gmail.com
myvanguardglobalventures@gmail.com
beckystravelbiz@gmail.com
helpingustayhome@gmail.com
573-631-4508
636-464-5607
http://www.myglobalventures.com
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/becky-west/15/787/405
http://www.makeloyalcustomers.com/contact/rwest
http://primitivedecoratingideas.com
http://getrichclicknow.blogspot.com
http://tiffanydowmakemoneywriting.blogspot.com
https://plus.google.com/105879655708898489155/posts
http://www.work-at-home-forum.com/members/westfam11.2314/
http://www.paparazziaccessories.com/11282
http://www.salespider.com/c-33802833/vanguard-global-ventures
http://www.salespider.com/p-13462073/rebecca-west
http://www.wahm.com/forum/members/49851-ceomom
http://www.goodonlineincome.com (was http://www.ad-cash-income.com/members/westfam in 2008)
http://www.myareabusiness.net
http://www.buysomebeads.com
http://www.columbiaskinnywraps.com






Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: MYGLOBALVENTURES.COM
Created on: 02-Apr-13
Expires on: 02-Apr-14
Last Updated on: 02-Apr-13

Registrant:
Rebecca West
12090 N. Route B
Hallsville, Missouri 65255
United States

Administrative Contact:
West, Rebecca myvanguardglobalventures@gmail.com
12090 N. Route B
Hallsville, Missouri 65255
United States
5736314508

Technical Contact:
West, Rebecca myvanguardglobalventures@gmail.com
12090 N. Route B
Hallsville, Missouri 65255
United States
5736314508

Domain servers in listed order:
NS47.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS48.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

DanBetz
04-07-2013, 01:35 PM
The legality of cash gifting has been argued and written about extensively. I know Larry, not Daryl. Larry does help his contacts extensively. He cares. If he has partnered with Daryl in this legal venture (Global Ventures) he is doing it to help those who have been scammed before.

As far as cash gifting, it can be ilegal when it's a pyramid which imo TPP is not a pyramid.

Like I said we can all post an article regarding cash gifting...so I won't...just research it yourself.
We are all respnsible for our "activities" in life. If TPP was ilegal it would be gone by now, again imo.

We all appreciate people looking out for our best interest in home business, I appreciate Larry.

ProfHenryHiggins
04-07-2013, 01:54 PM
The legality of cash gifting has been argued and written about extensively. I know Larry, not Daryl. Larry does help his contacts extensively. He cares. If he has partnered with Daryl in this legal venture (Global Ventures) he is doing it to help those who have been scammed before.

As far as cash gifting, it can be ilegal when it's a pyramid which imo TPP is not a pyramid.

Like I said we can all post an article regarding cash gifting...so I won't...just research it yourself.
We are all respnsible for our "activities" in life. If TPP was ilegal it would be gone by now, again imo.

We all appreciate people looking out for our best interest in home business, I appreciate Larry.


Not a pyramid? Let's take a look at the law which applies out there in Bagley, MN where you are Dan.




MLM Law: Minnesota
Unlawful Practices
State Statutes
MINNESOTA
325F.69 Unlawful practices.
Subdivision 1. Fraud, misrepresentation, deceptive practices. The act, use, or
employment by any person of any fraud, false pretense, false promise,
misrepresentation, misleading statement or deceptive practice, with the intent that
others rely thereon in connection with the sale of any merchandise, whether or not
any person has in fact been misled, deceived, or damaged thereby, is enjoinable as
provided herein.
Subd. 2. Referral and chain referral selling prohibited.
(1) With respect to any sale or lease the seller or lessor may not give or
offer a rebate or discount or otherwise pay or offer to pay value to the
buyer or lessee as an inducement for a sale or lease in consideration of
the buyer's or lessee's giving to the seller or lessor the names of
prospective purchasers or lessees, or otherwise aiding the seller or
lessor in making a sale or lease to another person, if the earning of the
rebate, discount or other value is contingent upon the occurrence of an
event subsequent to the time the buyer or lessee agrees to buy or lease.
(2) (a) With respect to any sale or lease, it shall be illegal for any seller
or lessor to operate or attempt to operate any plans or operations for
the disposal or distribution of property or franchise or both whereby a
participant gives or agrees to give a valuable consideration for the
chance to receive something of value for inducing one or more
additional persons to give a valuable consideration in order to
participate in the plan or operation, or for the chance to receive
something of value when a person induced by the participant induces a
new participant to give such valuable consideration including such
plans known as chain referrals, pyramid sales, or multilevel sales
distributorships. (b) The phrase "something of value" as used in
paragraph (a) above, does not mean or include payment based upon
sales made to persons who are not purchasing in order to participate in
the prohibited plan or operation.
(3) If a buyer or lessee is induced by a violation of this subdivision to
enter into a sale or lease, the agreement is unenforceable and the buyer
or lessee has the option to rescind the agreement with the seller or
lessor and, upon tendering the property received, or what remains of it,
obtain full or in the case of remains, a proportional restitution of all
sums paid, or retain the goods delivered and the benefit of any services
performed without any further obligation to pay for them.
(4) With respect to a sale or lease in violation of this section an
assignee of the rights of the seller or lessor is subject to all claims and
defenses of the buyer or lessee against the seller or lessor arising out of
the sale or lease notwithstanding an agreement to the contrary, but the
assignee's liability under this section may not exceed the amount
owing to the assignee at the time the claim or defense is asserted
against the assignee. Rights of the buyer or lessee under this section
can only be asserted as a matter of defense to or setoff against a claim
by the assignee.
(5) In a sale or lease in violation of this section, the seller or lessor
may not take a negotiable instrument other than a check as evidence of
the obligation of the buyer or lessee. A holder is not in good faith if the
holder takes a negotiable instrument with notice that it is issued in
violation of this section.
(6) Any person who violates any provision of this subdivision shall be
guilty of a gross misdemeanor.
Subd. 3. Advertising media excluded. Sections 325F.68 to 325F.70 shall apply to
actions of the owner, publisher, agent or employee of newspapers, magazines, other
printed matter or radio or television stations or other advertising media used for the
publication or dissemination of an advertisement, only if the owner, publisher, agent,
or employee has either knowledge of the false, misleading or deceptive character of
the advertisement or a financial interest in the sale or distribution of the advertised
merchandise.
Subd. 4. Solicitation of money for merchandise not ordered or services not
performed. The act, use, or employment by any person of any solicitation for payment
of money by another by any statement or invoice, or any writing that could
reasonably be interpreted as a statement or invoice, for merchandise not yet ordered
or for services not yet performed and not yet ordered, whether or not any person has
in fact been misled, deceived, or damaged thereby, is enjoinable as provided herein.
Subd. 5. Prohibited going out of business sales. It is illegal for any person to represent
falsely that a sale is a "going out of business sale." Any representation that a sale is a
"going out of business sale" is presumed to be false and illegal under this subdivision,
if at that location or within a relevant market area:
(1) the sale has been represented to be a "going out of business sale"
for a period of more than 120 days;
(2) the business has increased its inventory for the sale by ordering or
purchasing an unusual amount of merchandise during the sale or
during the 90 days before the sale began;
(3) the business, or any of its officers or directors, has advertised any
other sale as a "going out of business sale" during the 120 days before
this sale began; or
(4) the sale has continued after a date on which the business has
represented, expressly or by reasonable implication, that the business
would terminate.
Any presumption arising under clauses (1) to (4) may be rebutted if the business
shows, by clear and convincing evidence, that the sale was in fact conducted in
anticipation of the imminent termination of the business. This subdivision does not
apply to a sale in any statutory or home rule charter city that by ordinance requires the
licensing of persons conducting a "going out of business sale," nor to public officers
acting in the course of their official duties.


Subdivision (2)(a) certainly seems to describe TPP.

CCole68
04-08-2013, 11:31 AM
I definitely have to disagree with your defamation of Larry Oxenham and Vanguard Global Ventures.

I've known Larry for about 5 years. We've spoke on the phone numerous times, and every e-mail I've sent him has been promptly replied to. In all of my experiences with Larry, he's never been anything but ethical, forthright, and honest. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I found out that his middle name was "integrity".

Vanguard Global Ventures has been in the planning stages for at least a year, and is a culmination of suggestions from normal people, like myself, who have joined programs in the past, but for one reason or another, haven't had a lot of success. Everything about VGV is straightforward, transparent, legal, and will undoubtedly help thousands of people not only earn money, but build the customer lists necessary for those us working from home to succeed in every legal business imaginable. While the concept of VGV isn't new, a few things were tweaked in order to make a person's eventual success much easier, and avoid the pitfalls that so many of us have experienced in the past. Not to mention the huge bonus of having the undeniable experience and caring attitude of Larry Oxenham as one of the administrators. This program is certainly a win/win.

I don't know anything about any of the other people that you mentioned, and the only program you referenced that I'm familiar with is The People's Program. Although I'm not a member, I did research it, and it appears to be an excellent, 100% legal way to pay it forward, and benefit from others doing the same.

I'm curious to know what it is about Vanguard Global Ventures that would cause you to come on a public forum and bad-mouth it. Do you even know ANYTHING about it? Is your only intention to tarnish the image of a great program that we all helped build just because you don't like one or more of the people who are promoting it, or businesses they've been involved with in the past?

Regardless, if you want to trash someone or a program, leave Larry Oxenham and Vanguard Global Ventures out of it, because neither of them could be any more legit, and I'm offended by your implications.

Thank You,

Charles


The latest scam being pushed by Larry Oxenham and Greg Wilson, both of The People's Program.

Vanguard Global Ventures

Looking around a bit further, I also see that Gwen Mouzin and Paulette Peutz are promoting this one.



Some of Greg Wilson's involvement can be read at:
https://twitter.com/TurboProsperity
VGV-Beach Capture Page (http://myvgv.com/turboprosperity)
VGV-Beach Capture Page (http://mycashgeyser.com)
Top Team of: The Peoples Program | The Empower Network | Amc-Usa (http://turboprosperity.com)
We're sad to see you leave, and hope you'll reconsider staying with us. (http://archive.aweber.com/amcbiz)
Greg Wilson - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdOuXafOsOZGCIippv2NJ0g?feature=watch)

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Vanguard Global Ventures LLC - Nevada Company Profile (People Search and Company Search) (http://www.bizapedia.com/nv/VANGUARD-GLOBAL-VENTURES-LLC.html)

Hmm. That's the same Daryl Rice who ran americanmailingsystems.org.
American Mailing Systems Inc. - Nevada Company Profile (People Search and Company Search) (http://www.bizapedia.com/nv/AMERICAN-MAILING-SYSTEMS-INC.html)

And probably Affiliate Marketing Service as well.
Affiliate Marketing Service, Inc. - California Company Profile (People Search and Company Search) (http://www.bizapedia.com/ca/AFFILIATE-MARKETING-SERVICE-INC.html)

And... oh dear.
Mailing Systems International, Inc. - California Company Profile (People Search and Company Search) (http://www.bizapedia.com/ca/MAILING-SYSTEMS-INTERNATIONAL-INC.html)
Mailing Systems International, Inc - Nevada Company Profile (People Search and Company Search) (http://www.bizapedia.com/nv/MAILING-SYSTEMS-INTERNATIONAL-INC.html)
http://www.manta.com/c/mmlp92w/m-s-i-direct-response

Permanently revoked? Than remade in another state?


Could this be the same Daryl Rice who was involved in the Thomas Burton money laundering sting operation?
State Bar wouldn't let guilty lawyer resign: OC Watchdog Blog: Orange County Register (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/strong-476899-burton-bar.html)
FindACase™ | United States v. Rice (http://ca.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20090915_0003776.CCA.htm/qx)
California Courts - Appellate Court Case Information (http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=1893606&doc_no=S161928)


Just in case, I think that I had best list some of Daryl's known websites and business data.
They include a number of sites apparently being used by others, but registered in Daryl's name, in
addition to those which his company runs.



Daryl R. Rice

extremefastmail@gmail.com
daryl@mailingteam.com
806-209-0970
949-760-2732
949-722-8893
949-631-3575
949-722-2524
Home Page (http://www.mailingteam.com)
http://www.myvgv.com
Vanguard Global Ventures (http://www.vanguardglobalventures.com)
Welcome To Perpetual Cash Leveraging (http://www.GetPaidBigMoneyAtHome.com)
Fortune Wisdom Course (http://www.myelitegroup.com)
Postcard Print and Mail Service (http://www.mypostcardguy.com)
Print and Mail Fast (http://www.printandmailfast.com)
Extreme Fast Print - Home (http://www.extremefastprint.com)
Work From Beach (http://www.proventoworksystem.com)
Print and Mail Fast - "Beat-the-Recession" sales page (http://www.postcardwealthsystem.com) (under the name of Cheryl Rice, vitality@cox.net, but the same company)
Print and Mail Fast (http://www.PMF7.com)
Fortune Wisdom Course (http://www.fortunelessons.com)
Daryl Rice | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daryl-rice/46/874/105)
http://www.get32bfree.com
http://www.vanguardrocks.com
Welcome To Perpetual Cash Leveraging (http://www.getpaidmoneyathome.com)
Hi this is Paul, I made $600 in my first 48 hours. Don't pass this up!! (http://www.joinusgetpaid.com)
Empower Network: Weird Recruiting Trick (http://www.wealthtrainingvideo.com)
http://www.cashpowercenter.com
http://www.mailsystemsinc.com
Instant Direct Mail System (http://www.provenpostcards.com)
Fortune Wisdom Course (http://www.myelitegroup.com)
Generate Free MLM Leads For Your Business (http://www.getpaidonlineprofits.com)
http://www.commonsensecashpump.com (cash gifting scam? Appears to have been made for a "Kenneth Meeks" KM1012.pdf )
EmpowerPostcards (http://www.empowerpostcards.com)
Get Paid On Monthly Bills (http://www.getpaidonmonthlybills.com)
Free DVD Profits (http://www.freedvdprofits.com)
YouRichToday (http://yourichtoday.com) ( Print and Mail Postcards (http://www.mailingteam.com/pwg/trp.html) )
http://www.easylifewealth.com



There appears to be a business connection between Daryl Rice and Mailing Lists Home Page (http://www.dajdirect.com) , but the nature of it
is not yet known to me.

CCole68
04-08-2013, 11:46 AM
I definitely have to disagree with your defamation of Larry Oxenham and Vanguard Global Ventures.

I've known Larry for about 5 years. We've spoke on the phone numerous times, and every e-mail I've sent him has been promptly replied to. In all of my experiences with Larry, he's never been anything but ethical, forthright, and honest. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I found out that his middle name was "integrity".

Vanguard Global Ventures has been in the planning stages for at least a year, and is a culmination of suggestions from normal people, like myself, who have joined programs in the past, but for one reason or another, haven't had a lot of success. Everything about VGV is straightforward, transparent, legal, and will undoubtedly help thousands of people not only earn money, but build the customer lists necessary for those us working from home to succeed in every legal business imaginable. While the concept of VGV isn't new, a few things were tweaked in order to make a person's eventual success much easier, and avoid the pitfalls that so many of us have experienced in the past. Not to mention the huge bonus of having the undeniable experience and caring attitude of Larry Oxenham as one of the administrators. This program is certainly a win/win.

I don't know anything about any of the other people that you mentioned, and the only program you referenced that I'm familiar with is The People's Program. Although I'm not a member, I did research it, and it appears to be an excellent, 100% legal way to pay it forward, and benefit from others doing the same.

I'm curious to know what it is about Vanguard Global Ventures that would cause you to come on a public forum and bad-mouth it. Do you even know ANYTHING about it? Is your only intention to tarnish the image of a great program that we all helped build just because you don't like one or more of the people who are promoting it, or businesses they've been involved with in the past?

I see you trying to defend your position by saying that your post is mostly about Daryl, or cash gifting, but the fact is that your main statement is that Vanguard is a scam, and the "latest" scam at that, meaning there were previous ones. I whole-heartedly disagree with your contention that Vanguard is anything less than on the level, nor do I care for you insinuating that Larry promotes scams.

Regardless, if you want to trash someone or a program, leave Larry Oxenham and Vanguard Global Ventures out of it, because neither of them could be any more legit, and I'm offended by your implications.

Thank You,

Charles

ProfHenryHiggins
04-08-2013, 12:36 PM
Can't think for yourself, Charles?

Try looking up some of Larry's past blunders. Brilliant Mail? Key to Cash? A programme offering 10%-12.5% per month on your investment? His old namesake cash gifting programme Lazy Wealth?

In case you missed the ark, Mr. Coleman, "cash gifting" has been very thoroughly proven to be illegal in the courts. And The Peoples Program, using a 1-up system, is a pyramid scheme. See the Securities & Exchange Commission's shutdown of Prosperity Automated System for the proof that a 1-up is a pyramid under the law. Perhaps, instead of self-actualization, you should have gone on a personal quest for objective truth?

M. Walsh
04-12-2013, 08:52 AM
In the home based business arena Larry Oxenham is a breath of fresh air. I don't know Daryl but if he is someone that Larry has chosen to partner with that's good enough for me. Larry is someone who quite obviously does his due diligence. He is also a great mentor. When I dial his number, he personally answers the phone and my email queries are generally responded to within the hour. He's a great trainer and his advice has always been sound. I have always found that the best guage of a man's character is the opinion of his peers and associates. As one of those, I give him an A+!

As for the TPP cash gifting program that you are so vehemently opposed to (I am not a member) please explain to me why, if the program is as illegal as you claim, it is still in existence. And while you're at it you might want to visit Larry's website, LazyWealth.com, and take a look at some of the great programs he's involved with such as AMC, Inc. and TriVita. Vanguard Global Ventures, a year in development, is going to be a huge success simply because Larry Oxenham is driving the bus!

MarkL
04-12-2013, 09:52 AM
Regarding the nearly 5 year old Peoples Program: Respectfully, “Professor”, what you are saying is that if 10 of us got together and each gave you $14,000 (the 2013 Gift Tax Exclusion), you would turn down the $140,000 in gifts? Of course you would, because...to you... that would be illegal!

Regarding Vanguard Global Ventures (VGV): Again, respectfully, “Professor”, Why is this a scam? Have you even bothered to looked into the business?

If you haven’t, perhaps you should, the Bank of America spent weeks reviewing their business model and are now VGV’s payment processor... I’m just sayin’...

Sincerely,

Mark L

ProfHenryHiggins
04-12-2013, 10:30 AM
I think that you are confusing apples and squid, Mark. What you describe could well be valid under the IRS regulations. What TPP does, however, very clearly is in violation of both the IRS gift rules and of FTC advertising guidelines.

Also, seeing how Larry Oxenham's followers are coming out of the woodworks to defend him in a decidedly sheeple-like fashion, perhaps I ought to make a thread just about him, much as we have one about Brad Kamanski, so that this one can be devoted to discussion of VGV and not a barrage of tangential noise?

ribshaw
04-12-2013, 11:23 AM
Why is this a scam?

Mark very simply as a matter of law cash gifting "programs" are illegal. If I gave you $14,000 and then you gave me $14,000 there is nothing illegal about that. But that is not how these programs work or no one would participate. The people on the top take a cut of any "gift" and despite what anyone says or signs there is an expectation of profit. That expectation is based on the premise that you can recruit more people who will give you a cut, and that they will recruit more people that will give them a cut. Basically it is a pyramid without even the guise of a product and is illegal. As such it is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for there not to be losers.

One of principles in applying law is The Doctrine of Substance over Form, simply put the real intent of a transaction is what the law is concerned about, not what you call it. Which is the same reason you could not operate a brothel and skirt the law by charging a membership fee for "free entertainment".

Ahrs
04-12-2013, 04:18 PM
It seems the initiator of this post has a reputation online for cyberbullying --- Victims must file complaints: Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, LittleRound - WORLD Law Direct Forums (http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/miscellaneous-topics/68468-victims-must-file-complaints-heather-dobrott-professor-henry-higgins-littleround.html)

Stop Hate and Cyberbullying Against Internet Marketers Worldwide Petition (http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/stop-hate-and-cyberbullying-against-internet-marketers.html)

An established member of the forum making a lot of posts mostly digging up info meant to ridicule people. I’m not opposed to a good intellectual discussion but stooping to lows of posting info about people and calling something a scam when it’s not is another thing. I’m surprised that this type of stuff is allowed here... But when the post attempts to try and falsely discredit a perfectly legitimate company and potentially do damage to peoples livelihoods, then that’s something else. Simply starting a thread using this as a keyword to get on the first page of google and claim it’s a scam is wrong. It’s a false statement. The company is not a scam…period. Posting a bunch of links to stuff about people who are reputable and have a lot of social and business proof to back that up, trying to claim that they are not is also misleading . But if posting info is ok, then lets posts some info. I urge people to do their due diligence. Vanguard is not gifting , it’s a direct mail focused business with a compliant retail approved product and a multi-tier affiliate (not mlm) compensation plan . A compensation plan that is legally compliant according to US law and can be read about here Affiliate marketing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affiliate_marketing) or independently researched. Direct mail businesses have been operating for more than 30 years and the founders of this one have also been operating successful reputable businesses for as long. The founders cannot control what people come online to say they can only control what they do and how they treat people and they have a solid reputation on that front. Those are the facts but we can’t help it if people want to come here and trash talk.

MarkL
04-12-2013, 07:35 PM
So you reply with insults???
"...decidedly sheeple-like..." and "...a barrage of tangential noise."

Wow, Henry! What's up with that?? A bit touchy aren't you???

baylee
04-12-2013, 08:19 PM
So you reply with insults???
"...decidedly sheeple-like..." and "...a barrage of tangential noise."

Wow, Henry! What's up with that?? A bit touchy aren't you???

I don't know about Henry but, I am tired of scammers and the misery they cause.

littleroundman
04-12-2013, 08:30 PM
It seems the initiator of this post has a reputation online for cyberbullying --- Victims must file complaints: Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, LittleRound - WORLD Law Direct Forums (http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/miscellaneous-topics/68468-victims-must-file-complaints-heather-dobrott-professor-henry-higgins-littleround.html)

So, let me get this straight.

A single anonymous poster on a single forum makes a claim, and this somehow becomes a "reputation" ???

Hmmnnn,

it's not hard to see how some people can so easily become victims of online fraud.

Soapboxmom
04-12-2013, 08:45 PM
It seems the initiator of this post has a reputation online for cyberbullying --- Victims must file complaints: Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, LittleRound - WORLD Law Direct Forums (http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/miscellaneous-topics/68468-victims-must-file-complaints-heather-dobrott-professor-henry-higgins-littleround.html)

Stop Hate and Cyberbullying Against Internet Marketers Worldwide Petition (http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/stop-hate-and-cyberbullying-against-internet-marketers.html)

An established member of the forum making a lot of posts mostly digging up info meant to ridicule people. I’m not opposed to a good intellectual discussion but stooping to lows of posting info about people and calling something a scam when it’s not is another thing. I’m surprised that this type of stuff is allowed here... But when the post attempts to try and falsely discredit a perfectly legitimate company and potentially do damage to peoples livelihoods, then that’s something else. Simply starting a thread using this as a keyword to get on the first page of google and claim it’s a scam is wrong. It’s a false statement. The company is not a scam…period. Posting a bunch of links to stuff about people who are reputable and have a lot of social and business proof to back that up, trying to claim that they are not is also misleading . But if posting info is ok, then lets posts some info. I urge people to do their due diligence. Vanguard is not gifting , it’s a direct mail focused business with a compliant retail approved product and a multi-tier affiliate (not mlm) compensation plan . A compensation plan that is legally compliant according to US law and can be read about here Affiliate marketing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affiliate_marketing) or independently researched. Direct mail businesses have been operating for more than 30 years and the founders of this one have also been operating successful reputable businesses for as long. The founders cannot control what people come online to say they can only control what they do and how they treat people and they have a solid reputation on that front. Those are the facts but we can’t help it if people want to come here and trash talk.
Nutbags are us, thank you for joining us! We have explained the real definition of cyberbullying numerous times. I have posted numerous court cases and detailed information on law related to libel and defamation as well. You are one in a long line of many that insists on making a fool of themselves publicly and I would be happy to grant you your wish. Keep up the insanity; it is old news! And, again, this forum doesn't generate a dime, so the only reason we contribute here is to warn and inform the public.

Soapboxmom

ribshaw
04-12-2013, 09:03 PM
Vanguard is not gifting , it’s a direct mail focused business with a compliant retail approved product and a multi-tier affiliate (not mlm) compensation plan . A compensation plan that is legally compliant according to US law and can be read about here Affiliate marketing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affiliate_marketing)

Hello Attorney Atticus Finch:

Ribshaw is a simple man, but when someone posts that something is "legally complaint" and then provides not a court case, or say a reference to the UCC, but a link to wikipedia, well sir I must say that smells worse than a rented bowling shoe at the end of red pin bowling night. Could you please come back with something a little more scholarly?

Kind Regards.

Soapboxmom
04-12-2013, 09:05 PM
Victims must file complaints: Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, LittleRound

This is a discussion on Victims must file complaints: Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, LittleRound within the Miscellaneous Topics forum, part of the OTHER LEGAL ISSUES category; I have been in contact with some attorney generals and have filed complaints against Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, Littlle ...















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I have been in contact with some attorney generals and have filed complaints against Heather Dobrott, Professor Henry Higgins, Littlle Round Man, and some other members of RealScam. Don't argue with them, if you want them penalized and their real names exposed go the correct route. Call your attorney general and the US attorney general and file a complaint. There were many already filed when I called on all 3 of these people. Do not worry about their real names because its the Justice dept responsibility to investigate and get their real names. Do not let Heather scare you that you could be in trouble for the program you work. The more people that file a complaint the faster they will be penalized.

























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Thanks AFF. Many of us our filing complaints at every legal police agency we can. Heather and her cyber criminals will be here to comment soon so let me prepare you. They will say in the name of protecting people from what they judge as a scam it is ok to publicly bully, and risk many citizens well being for there cause even if it breaks laws. Vigilantism is not legal and they are doing it with cyber. It may take some time but Heather, her husband who ones the site real scam, and members who hide behind a user name will pay. And with all the people they have hurt, there will be justice once the real names and where they live are public.



















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I doubt anyone will bother to spar with you clowns on World Law Direct. Have fun talking to yourself Mack! And, since we actually work with numerous enforcement agencies, I am sure this is quite amusing for the investigators and lawyers whose time you idiots are completely wasting.

littleroundman
04-12-2013, 09:53 PM
As far as cash gifting, it can be ilegal when it's a pyramid which imo TPP is not a pyramid.

Like I said we can all post an article regarding cash gifting...so I won't...just research it yourself.


Oh really ????

"Can be" ???

No, Dan, cash gifting IS illegal and those who participate OR promote it ARE participating in criminal activities.

By extension, why would anyone believe your heroes have decided to turn over a new leaf and go straight on this occasion ???

They both told similar lies with regard to cash gifting as they are now using to promote Vanguard.

IOW, Dan, they were both lying then and they're doing the same thing now.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4206/cg1a.jpg

Cash Gifting Watchdog (http://www.cashgiftingwatchdog.com/basics/cash-gifting-law/)

busttheblock
04-23-2013, 02:24 PM
This one has now made it onto the MMG forum by MMG member annadenise

busttheblock
05-08-2013, 04:31 PM
This one has now made it onto the MMG forum by MMG member annadenise


What does everyone think of this latest incarnation of Vanguard starting to pick up some steam on the mmg forum?

busttheblock
05-13-2013, 06:13 AM
What does everyone think of this latest incarnation of Vanguard starting to pick up some steam on the mmg forum?

Don't look now but Frank Asthmeir (sp?) and Aaron and Shara are pushing this one pretty heavily. Almost a sure sign of a program's ponziness

ProfHenryHiggins
11-06-2016, 03:00 PM
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Courtesy of http://statelaws.findlaw.com/kansas-law/kansas-pyramid-and-ponzi-schemes-laws.html


Kansas Pyramid Scheme Law

Code Sections K.S.A. section 21-3762
What’s Prohibited? Establishing, operating, advertising, or promoting a pyramid promotional scheme. A “pyramid promotion scheme” is defined as any plan or operation for which a participant pays to gain access to the scheme, and in which the primary means that the participant receives compensation is to introduce other participants into the scheme.
Penalties Establishing, operating, advertising, or promoting a pyramid promotional scheme is a severity level 9 nonperson felony punishable by a presumed 8 months imprisonment, assuming that the offender has no prior criminal record or only one prior misdemeanor conviction. The penalty may also include a fine of no more than $100,000.
Defenses It is not a defense to a violation of the pyramid scheme law to show that - in addition to gaining access to the ability to recruit new participants - you were given goods or services to sell. Many pyramid schemes involve the exchange of goods and services that are secondary to the main goal of introducing new participants to the scheme. These pyramid schemes are often referred to as product-based pyramid schemes. It is a defense to assert that you were involved in a Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) business and not a pyramid scheme, however.


Not to mention the general concept of a consideration in legal terminology, and that members are paying for the right to induce others to pay them, more signs of a pyramid scheme.

ProfHenryHiggins
11-06-2016, 03:01 PM
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Let’s be specific: Let’s say you become a member today, as you should.

And let’s say your first mailing brings you one paying customer who sends you $100.

And now that member does a mailing and gets a member; when that member enrolls you will also get $100 even though you didn’t do the mailing, are sitting at the beach, and didn’t even know it was happening.

THIS IS WHAT WE MEAN BY THE PROFIT PRINCIPLE OF DUPLICATION.

Once again nobody can predict exactly what you will make from this great program but we can do some math examples to show why it is so important to implement the PROFIT PRINCIPLE.

Let’s say you get one enrollment each week this month. That’s $100 x 4 or $400 for you. Nice, but not spectacular.

But let’s say each of those members does a mailing and gets an enrollment. That’s $100 x 4 or another $400 to you.

YOU JUST HAD AN $800 MONTH WITHOUT TALKING TO ANYONE!

Now let’s look, say, six months down the road.

You keep getting one enrollment per month and those enrollments do the same.

Now you have 4 from the first month and each of the five months thereafter for a total of 24 members under you getting 1 enrollment each, or $2400 a month in addition to your $800.

Now this example won’t make you rich but you made a one-time payment to join and that payment is making you $3200 monthly. You aren’t doing any more marketing, still haven’t spoken to anyone.

IN FACT, ALL YOU ARE DOING IS OPENING 32 ENVELOPES
EACH MONTH FILLED WITH A TOTAL OF $3,200 MONTHLY.

You can have your money mailed to your home, to a PO Box, or to your hotel while traveling on vacation!

It can’t be much easier: WE HAVE DONE ALL THE WORK FOR YOU, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SECURE YOUR POSITION TODAY.

I am ready and waiting to help you today.

One caveat: When this concept was first introduced about 11 years ago it exploded. The same thing will happen now and that means, to maintain the integrity of the program, we can’t work with everyone. We wish we could but there are only so many hours in a day and so many leads available.

This is why you need to take action within the next three days; this is the only way we can guarantee we have a slot for you.

We want to keep PROFIT PRINCIPLE professional at every level and that means making sure we have production space for you, the highest quality leads, and can get your mailings (if you choose to have us do them for you) out as quickly as possible.

You will find your simple, step by step instructions at the end of this letter; you can fill in the details and get started in just minutes.

And remember, this is not a complicated internet program, you do not have to give out your private credit card information (Heck, you don’t even need a credit card!) and you do not have to spend hours pouring over impossible to understand details.

We already spent the hours writing the copy (using words with a history of working), securing the highest quality mail lists, reserving the production space and time necessary to ensure your mailings go out promptly.

Most of all, we took a close look at this letter and the attachments, went over it again and again and again, to be sure this is not just the most powerful direct mail letter ever, but also to assure you
this is exactly how you will build your success.

All you need to do is take the first step to get going.

IF YOU DO THIS YOU GIVE YOURSELF A GREAT CHANCE TO SUCCEED.

Some of our members like to make their own copies, get the leads and do their mailing one envelop at a time, but it takes time, lots of time to do this manually. Most of our members prefer having us do the mailings so we are very happy to let you know your enrollments entitles you to DISCOUNT FOR OUR MAILING SERVICES. We will send you the details for the discount mailings with your welcome letter.

WE WANT TO BE SURE NOTHING GETS IN THE WAY OF YOUR SUCCESS!

WE MEAN NOTHING!

The copy is written.

The lists are secured.

The production facilities are ready to go.

ALL WE NEED NOW IS YOUR APPROVAL.

So what does it take to become a valued PROFIT PRINCIPLE member?

This is the good part because you will send your one time enrollment and BE A MEMBER FOR LIFE. There are no renewal fees, no monthly memberships, no surprises of any sort.

Normal enrollment includes two payments of $100 to me but you will save $100 because, if you enroll using this letter, you will send only one payment of $100 to me. (Since this is my program I am extending this special savings and have also included my personal phone and email at the end so you can talk directly to me before joining).

That’s it, a total of $100 and you are ready to go.

Once the payment is received I will email you your Welcome Packet so you can get started right away. It includes your camera ready master copy you can use to do your own mailings, if you wish, the link to the website to get printing done for you, your book, and—

If you get your enrolment in I will also include our very special insider's secret regarding our Profit Multiplier and receive payments of $2,000 directly to you from sales we close for you.

You see, PROFIT PRINCIPLE is your starting point, and it might just retire you. But it’s also nice to know you can go much bigger much faster if you want.

The information alone is extremely valuable; the fact you can act on it immediately is, well, priceless.

For now, take a look at the remaining pages, fill in the simple information, and join us today.

We can’t offer this forever and we have to limit the overall number of those who participate, so we hope you don’t delay.

By the way, THE MONEY IS NICE BUT THERE ARE OTHER REASONS PROFIT PRINCIPLE MEMBERS LOVE THIS GREAT PROGRAM.

OWNERSHIP: This is your business! You can grow it as large as you can even add more valuable products and services (See below) if you want.
NO EXPIRATION: Once you pay your initial cost you are a member for life. There are no renewals, no ongoing costs, no hidden costs, no surprises!
NO LIMITS: You can begin large or small, fast or slow, and build this as large as you want. After all, all mailing programs are a numbers game so, if you dedicate some of your profits to additional mailings you can skyrocket your results, and your income.
THE CUSTOMERS BELONG TO YOU: When someone buys from you that person becomes YOUR CUSTOMER. You should save all contact information because that customer now knows you and will be more likely to buy from you a second time. (And, as you will see below, we already have something you can offer your customers.)
FREEDOM: You can make money this month and go to a warm tropical island next month. No boss means you are the boss so you can ‘work’ from anyplace, anytime. You can work barefoot poolside. You can take your child to soccer or basketball, never miss a game, and do what most parents only dream of being able to do.
EASY: Since every word is written for you and since we can even do the mailings for you MOST OF YOUR TIME WILL BE SPENT FILLING OUT DEPOSIT SLIPS AND TAKING YOUR MONEY ORDERS AND BANK CHECKS TO THE BANK.
EVEN BIGGER PROFITS FOR YOU: Wealthy mail order experts know the key to mail success is a PROFIT MULTIPLIER a second or backend product you offer after someone buys the first time. The second product usually has a much higher price – meaning more profits for you – and goes to the much smaller list of actual buyers; it’s cheaper and more profitable for you. We will include the complete, powerful sales letter for the second product with your matererials. And we also have the valuable product – a 200 page insider’s guide to everything you need to know for long term success from home – and will ship it for you.
You will begin with confidence knowing you have the best sales tools, the best products and the best support ever.

COMMON QUESTIONS OUR MEMBERS ASK:

Q. I always wanted to do direct mail but didn’t have much luck in the past, what makes this different?

A. The key to success with direct mail is a compelling mail piece and a great list. Most mailers offer their customers old, used up lists they get for a very low price, often selling the same names over and over to the same people. It’s really hard to succeed when you are sending your mail pieces to people who haven’t bought anything, don’t have any money and are not interesting in a real business from home. The lists we use are buyer’s lists, usually people who have bought within 30 days. We run them through our computer to eliminate duplicates and assure you get only the highest quality lists.

Q. You mention a PROFIT MULTIPLIER product to increase our profits. I haven’t heard of this, how does it work?

A. The best way to think about it is to think of those television infomercials where they offer you a whole bunch of stuff for “just $19.95 if you order now.” You watch the commercials and wonder how they can make a profit doing that. But they know they now have you as a customer and you are likely to buy something else from them in the future, maybe several times in the future. This is the true HIDDEN SECRET TO WEALTH, one we call the PROFIT MULTIPLIER: The most expensive thing you will ever do is get a customer but, once you have that customer, making a second sale is much cheaper and way more profitable. Think of it in mathematical terms: Let’s say you spend $100 in marketing to get one customer to send you $100, not too bad. But now you send a letter—about 75 cents—and your customer sends you $2000. Do you see the potential here? It cost $100 to make $100 and 75 cents to make $2,000! Remember, this is just a math example, the PROFIT MULTIPLIER is proven methodology. We will send you full details once your order has been received.

Q. I get direct mail in my mailbox every day, isn’t there a danger the market is saturated?

A. A great question with a really easy answer: It is impossible to saturate the market. In the US alone the government tells us there are 54 million people who want a home business. Also, people come and go in home business so, even if we had a million customers, only a portion of them would be doing anything at any time. THERE IS WAY MORE BUSINESS AVAILABLE THAN WE CAN EVER HAVE! Think of your local shopping mall: You have maybe 4 anchor stores like Macy’s, J.C. Penney and others, each selling shoes. Then you walk in the mall and find 10 or 20 other stores selling shoes, some nothing but shoes. It might seem like there are too many shoe stores but all stay open because there are so many customers.

Q. What makes direct mail the best business ever?

A. 100 years of success, you don’t need a computer or a telephone, and you can make money while you sleep and while you play! Nothing else compares.


EASY ORDER INSTRUCTIONS: Now it’s time to take action. There are three simple steps to your enrollment so take your time to get them right; after all, you only have to do this once to get your direct mail income started.

Remember, the normal enrollment is two $100 payments, but yours is just $100.

Just to refresh you here is how the payment works:

Save $100 – since I am the person who wrote the program and, since I am sending this direct to you, you do not have to make and mail two separate $100 payments; saves a stamp and a little time. If you enroll using this letter you will send just one $100 payment to me. I accept cash, money orders, PayPal and Google Wallet (If you use these please call for my ID).
2. I will immediately email you your Welcome Kit and you will be ready to go. (This is one of the ‘profit enhancing’ secrets of Profit Principle; e.g., about 60% or people who order will provide an email address so you can send the package at no cost!
That’s it, just 2 simple steps. Be sure to keep copies of the order forms for your file.

WHAT DO YOU RECEIVE FOR YOUR $100?

Full rights to this powerful sales letter including the right to market the program.

$100 payments from all orders you receive and from those you sponsor into the program; this is unheard of in home business and is a powerful profit booster for you.

All material fully written and ready to print.

The opportunity, if you choose, to have your mailings done for you using the highest quality leads.

Total time freedom to work when and where you want.

Inside information on our exclusive PROFIT MULTIPLIER to skyrocket your earnings with $2,000 payments we close for you!

The comfort of knowing you are using proven methodology, not some gimmick with no history of success.
That’s it; once your payment has been received you can BEGIN IMMEDIATELY!

Remember, as the world gets more complex it's nice to have a simple program that can even be done by those without a computer, one that does not require sending credit information, and payments come to your door.



We are excited to know you and to be a small part of your successful future.

Thank you.

Larry Oxenham
Larry Oxenham
profitprinciple@gmail.com
909 542-9107
2600 Foothill Blvd, #208
La Verne, CA 91750
Your Partner in Success





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