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Edmund129
03-10-2013, 01:48 PM
Here is an expirement using Howard Johnson's Magnetically driven motor patent (of which there are 3 different patents) granted in 1979.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=618k46W3kNY

What is your opinion on this expirement and has anyone attempted to replicate it? I've seen more functional expirements like this one that does actually produce a working Howard Johnson Motor.

My expertise is primarily in the field of Electronics, and in my field it is easy to design a amplifier circuit or digital circuit that is unstable and can oscillate, usually this is undesirable, but sometimes is intentional.

Is it possible to design a Machanically Magnetic system that can self oscillate. This system is pure mechanical and magnetic in nature.

Any feedback or questions on this matter is greatly appreciated, thanks...

Edmund129
03-10-2013, 02:19 PM
Here is yet another expirement


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-vYOXm5hrM

The Howard Johnson motor seems to simply be a magnetic motor that is out of balance and forced to oscillate on its own.

Edmund129
03-31-2013, 11:55 AM
A Howard Johnson Motor Kit assembled:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93P-pL4-S50

Hypanor
04-01-2013, 08:42 AM
It appears that although the man and the theory are real, the videos are all fakes. Poor old HoJo has become synonymous with a 'free energy' scam.


"As of April, 2012, we do not know of anyone who has successfully replicated one of these motors, though many have tried, and many are presently making an attempt. If you are interested in pursuing this task, we invite you to join the HJ_Motor discussion list for that purpose."
Howard Johnson's Magnetic Motor (http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/) - with links to plans and other resources.

Hank Mills of the Pure Energy Systems News has penned this letter to the scammers - Letter to Hojo (Howard Johnson) Motor Plan Scammers (http://pesn.com/2011/10/04/9501926_Letter_to_Hojo_Motor_Plan_Scammers/)

Whip
04-01-2013, 09:23 AM
I found the fact they couldn't name who allegedly had the patents that prevented this 'amazing technology' from getting to the public rather dubious. And design patents expire after 20 years so, by their own admission, it's free game now. Anyone CAN produce and sell these if they want.
Not only that, seems all they have to hang their hat on is that someone got patents. Patents can be obtained for anything as long as the claims in the application are true. That doesn't mean the item is at all viable.

Edmund129
04-07-2013, 01:20 PM
It appears that although the man and the theory are real, the videos are all fakes. Poor old HoJo has become synonymous with a 'free energy' scam.


Howard Johnson's Magnetic Motor (http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/) - with links to plans and other resources.

Hank Mills of the Pure Energy Systems News has penned this letter to the scammers - Letter to Hojo (Howard Johnson) Motor Plan Scammers (http://pesn.com/2011/10/04/9501926_Letter_to_Hojo_Motor_Plan_Scammers/)

It is not really free energy. According to the patent documents, these permanent magnets loose about 2% of their magnetism every 18 years. Putting the Magnetic driven motor right up their with nuclear batteries. after about 100 years there should be about a 10% loss in magnetism. So eventually one would have to re-magnetize the magnets again at some point in the future. Thus making this really some sort of magnetic driven battery that is comparable to the same kind of nuclear batteries that NASA uses for deep space exploration probes. Except this isn't using radiactive materials, but instead magnetized materials.

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Hypanor
04-10-2013, 06:37 AM
Yes, I understand the principles but its yet to be proven to be achievable.

Most of the worlds Neodymium reserves are in China, which gives them a massive monopoly on the essential product (rare earth magnets) for a successfully built motor. I did read somewhere recently that they were (or were thinking of?) forcing prices up, but also that Japan has discovered deposits which may alleviate that monopoly within the next decade.

Its a bit like solar panels were (and still are to an extent) - the total cost to manufacture (including all supply lines) can outweigh the benefits. Solar's issue was a short useful life span (15 or so years), but that is no longer the case due to technological advances so they became more viable as an urban power source.

Edmund129
05-04-2013, 11:54 AM
There are a few of problems with solar cells:

1) The sun only shines half of the time, at night the solar cells are worthless.

2) One could charge up a battery during the day with the solar cells and at night live off of the batteries, but for it to be practical and useful most of these batteries would have to be as big as the house, thus costing millions of dollars. And thus costing more than most houses.

3) Solar cells usually don't last long enough to justify their costs. So it is still cheaper and more practicle to use fossil fuels to produce energy than solar cells.

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Edmund129
05-04-2013, 12:03 PM
In an electric driven motor there is only one stator and one rotor, with usually the rotor changing polarities at precise positions in the turn causing both pull and push conditions between the Stator and the Rotor.

The same could be accomplished with Stator and rotor if one could get the Stator to swap polarities as well.

With that said, I think if one could figure out a way of making the Stator rotate its magnetic fields and while the Rotor staid permanent, and both were properly synchronized, and one used multiple groups of these Stators and Rotors like in a 8 cylinder 4 stroke combustion engine. One could possibly get a motor to run only off of permanent magnets and not electrically driven magnets. As long as there were more pushes and pulls and fewer drags on each Rotor/Stator combination.

In the Howard Johnson Motor he has seemed to have found out a way of doing this with only stationary magnets placed at strategic positions with respect to each other. Thus sort of accomplishing the same thing.

fromthehood
05-17-2013, 12:15 AM
As Whip said, patent expired a long time ago. If nobody can replicate his model from patent than it never worked. I also do not get practicality of magnetised engines except for far space missions or some military missions. They are certainly unpractical for civil use.

littleroundman
05-17-2013, 12:52 AM
Patents can be obtained for anything as long as the claims in the application are true. That doesn't mean the item is at all viable.

http://s3-ak.buzzfeed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/7/22/11/enhanced-buzz-7884-1311349815-5.jpg

Motorized ice cream cone (1999)

Patent #US 5971829 A


Abstract
A novelty amusement eating receptacle for supporting, rotating and sculpting a portion of ice cream or similarly malleable food while it is being consumed comprising: a hand-held housing, a cup rotatably supported by the hand-held housing and adapted to receive and contain a portion of ice cream or food product of similar consistency, and a drive mechanism in the hand-held housing for imparting rotation upon the cup and rotationally feeding its contents against a person's outstretched tongue.




Patent US5971829 - Motorized ice cream cone - Google Patents (http://www.google.com/patents/US5971829)

Maybe it's just me, but, the idea that someone holding a patent somehow means something just doesn't seem so important when Motorized Ice Cream cones can be patented.

Edmund129
05-27-2013, 12:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkgyY47duCM

Here is another magnetic motor example...

Edmund129
05-27-2013, 12:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r2aZ3llqok

Another simplistic expirement that leads to a more profound version of the Permanent Magnetic motor.

Edmund129
05-27-2013, 01:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLek_3Hpwus

Here is an example of a V-Gate Magnetic Motor.

Edmund129
05-27-2013, 01:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLek_3Hpwus


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLek_3Hpwus

This is a V-Gate Magnetic Motor

Edmund129
05-27-2013, 01:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=hdNHKUCbNmE

Edmund129
05-27-2013, 01:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_86696&feature=iv&src_vid=4Ge2h8Apgd8&v=wBkvzbw5cDM

This Magnetic Motor can run as fast as 900rmp's.

Edmund129
05-29-2013, 03:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKCEceWs-Gc

Demonstration of yet another Magnetic linear motor.

Edmund129
05-29-2013, 03:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epLOEaoPMFU

Another Demonstration of the Same magnetic linear motor. try to prove this is a fake... or doubt the seriousness of these peoples credentials...

Spector567
05-29-2013, 11:28 AM
Just to be clear here Ed. You believe in and support an alternative engery source technology that has little to no scientific support.
The only evidence that you have that it works is from youtube videos. All the websites I found are basically blog posts that once again try to divert you or sell you the plans.

The US military and several other countries would not be held to US patents but even they do not construct or use this motor.

Yet for some reason you won't support tried and true tested technology of solar energy and Wind power?


However, all that being said. Here are the plans for your motor. Feel free to construct one and try it yourself.
Magnetic Motor Instructions (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/116312665/Magnetic-Motor-Instructions)

ribshaw
05-29-2013, 12:19 PM
Just to be clear here Ed. You believe in and support an alternative engery source technology that has little to no scientific support.
The only evidence that you have that it works is from youtube videos. All the websites I found are basically blog posts that once again try to divert you or sell you the plans.

The US military and several other countries would not be held to US patents but even they do not construct or use this motor.

Yet for some reason you won't support tried and true tested technology of solar energy and Wind power?


However, all that being said. Here are the plans for your motor. Feel free to construct one and try it yourself.
Magnetic Motor Instructions (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/116312665/Magnetic-Motor-Instructions)

Spector567, hope you stick around and do some scam busting.

I think someone over on Scam called Poe's Law on Edmund and that is about as spot on as anything I can come up with. I am no scientist, but from what I have read on these motors the big flaw comes when you try to use them to divert the energy to actually power something. At that point the motor expends more energy than it creates, hence no free lunch.

The irony I find with Edmund is that he is very big oil and coal, yet heavily discounts the possibility that those organizations would be the very ones to buy up this technology if it existed and put it on a shelf. He without realizing it proves the point here with an example from the medical community. http://www.realscam.com/f36/type-2-diabetes-now-curable-has-been-since-1950s-2175/ Which is one obvious "flaw" in the free market. Yet if I read him correctly he would blame environmental nazi fascist socialist commies and big gubment for keeping the magnetic motor from hitting the market. At the same time, he appears to claim the exact opposite from the medical community that would be displayed by big energy.

From my vantage point, the dichotomy in his viewpoints calls in to question what his intent really is.

Spector567
05-29-2013, 04:32 PM
I actually claimed that Ed was a poe once before. However, after some investigation I basically determined that he wasn't.

I was able to search up his name as well other sites he has visited. I ran accross several other sources, youtube comments, a short lived blog that he owns. That and the origenal scam post was over 1000 posts long and didn't have as much cut and paste.

As you said there is a dichotomy to his view points but they are very consistent. Blame big goverment and big business can do no wrong.

I'm pretty sure he knows his views are inconsistent but the reality is he is not out to tell the truth. He is out to push a view point.

Edmund129
05-30-2013, 07:59 AM
I have no beef with alternative sources of energy as long as it is economically viable and reduces damage to the environment (Like how fossile fuels do protect the environment by diverting away from killing plants and animals to only killing barrels of crude oil). However I don't believe in trashing conventional and working sources of energy with lies and propaganda who's only intention is to tax and regulate it out of existence and sending everyone back to the stone age where the average life expectancy was only 12 years of age.

Dr. Howard Johnson has over 18 different patents, with 3 concerning the Linear Magnetic Motor. Every single one of his patents work and are still being used today. All I'm doing on this blog is reviewing others who have cleverly attempted to copy Howard Johnson's ideas.

The Magnetic Linear motor takes advantage of mostly the repulsive nature of common polarity polling magnets, not the attraction between opposing poles. The biggest mistake people make from these motors is that they are perpetual in nature, when they are not. Magnetism is not a permanent state, degaussing of magnetic materials is commonly known, especially when they are getting pounced on by other magnetic fields, but is very slow in nature to degauss. Literally taking many years and decades before a perceptible amount of degaussing can be noticed. In a nuclear fusion reaction it gets its power from the repulsive forces of two protons being forced together with such force as to make stick what should otherwise repulse. Thus magnetic linear motors are attempting the same thing that nuclear fusion reactions are doing, but at the atomic level and not the sub-atomic level.

In a 4 stroke combustion engine only one stroke produces energy and power. The other 3 drag on that power. I'm amazed how anyone could of ever gotten any 4 stroke combustion engine to ever work. However if the timing is spot on and you have enough cylinders (like 4, 6, 8 or more) one can easily achieve continuous series of combustions as long as fuel and oxygen is supplied. However, if the timing is even off by a split hair, the hole thing comes crashing down and stops working.

The same holds true with DC Magnetic motors. There normally is only one cylinder with one Rotor and one stator. Where by the rotor flips between attracting against fixed magnets and opposing fixed magnets as precisely the correct time. In a Linear Magnetic motor the same thing is being done, but without the flow of current; only using fixed magnets that have cleverly been made to either flip the stator or rotor at the right time or having more pushes and pulls than drags on the spin.

The people that failed at making a Magnetic Linear motor never take the precise timing seriously enough, and thus end up with a flop. Only when the timing and correct positioning of the magnetic fields is achieved does the Magnetic Linear unity gain motor work.

These videos are not faked, because none of these people are magicians or professional CGI specialists.

Edmund129
05-30-2013, 08:08 AM
There is a growing wide scientific support for this, especially in Europe. There is already a 37,000 KW Magnetic Linear over unity gain motor in Germany right now fulling working and generating electricity. It is about the size of a family van and weighs thousands of tons; and is completely powered by magnets and nothing else. There are videos online that show this generator in operation right now. It is being used to power a multi-story building in Germany.

Edmund129
05-30-2013, 08:10 AM
In one of the last videos it looks like they are using 5 Howard Johnson like linear motors in parallel to achieve smooth clean high RPM's.

Spector567
05-30-2013, 12:23 PM
There is a growing wide scientific support for this, especially in Europe. There is already a 37,000 KW Magnetic Linear over unity gain motor in Germany right now fulling working and generating electricity. It is about the size of a family van and weighs thousands of tons; and is completely powered by magnets and nothing else. There are videos online that show this generator in operation right now. It is being used to power a multi-story building in Germany.

Ed i'm very very skeptical but i'm not going to dismiss what you are saying without knowing more.

That being said. Youtube video's and blogs are not credable sources and you don't need to be a special effects expert to make a light turn on.

Can you provide an article of what you are talking about above. I'd be interested to see it.

Edmund129
05-30-2013, 04:43 PM
Spector567, hope you stick around and do some scam busting.

I think someone over on Scam called Poe's Law on Edmund and that is about as spot on as anything I can come up with. I am no scientist, but from what I have read on these motors the big flaw comes when you try to use them to divert the energy to actually power something. At that point the motor expends more energy than it creates, hence no free lunch.

The irony I find with Edmund is that he is very big oil and coal, yet heavily discounts the possibility that those organizations would be the very ones to buy up this technology if it existed and put it on a shelf. He without realizing it proves the point here with an example from the medical community. http://www.realscam.com/f36/type-2-diabetes-now-curable-has-been-since-1950s-2175/ Which is one obvious "flaw" in the free market. Yet if I read him correctly he would blame environmental nazi fascist socialist commies and big gubment for keeping the magnetic motor from hitting the market. At the same time, he appears to claim the exact opposite from the medical community that would be displayed by big energy.

From my vantage point, the dichotomy in his viewpoints calls in to question what his intent really is.

The reasons for the cure for diabetes getting cured not getting reported is caused by the fact that bariatric surgeons discovered that bypassing the duodenum (the first 12 inches of the small intestine) instantly and permanently cures Type 2 diabetes. The findings were published in the Bariatric journals, but the diabetic specialists Endocrinologists don't spend much time reading Bariatric publications and Bariatric surgeons don't spend much time reading Endocrinologist publications. So the discovery went mostly unnoticed for many decades until a doctor Rubino in Europe rediscovered the 1950's published journals and confirmed the findings in the lab using diabetic rats. The rest is history. But it is still not well published because there is a huge debate in the medical community on how to set the policies.

Out of 25 million diabetics only 200,000 qualify (<1%) in America. however in other countries all diabetics regardless of weight are permitted to have this surgery to cure themselves of Type 2 diabetes.

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Edmund129
05-30-2013, 04:45 PM
Ed i'm very very skeptical but i'm not going to dismiss what you are saying without knowing more.

That being said. Youtube video's and blogs are not credable sources and you don't need to be a special effects expert to make a light turn on.

Can you provide an article of what you are talking about above. I'd be interested to see it.

At least with the videos you can see and hear the words coming from the actual scientists, this is not possible with written documents. Publications can be faked and forged. But video and audio can not be, especially when the actual scientist or expert is being interviewed.

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ribshaw
05-30-2013, 05:12 PM
The reasons for the cure for diabetes getting cured not getting reported is caused by the fact that bariatric surgeons discovered that bypassing the duodenum (the first 12 inches of the small intestine) instantly and permanently cures Type 2 diabetes. The findings were published in the Bariatric journals, but the diabetic specialists Endocrinologists don't spend much time reading Bariatric publications and Bariatric surgeons don't spend much time reading Endocrinologist publications. So the discovery went mostly unnoticed for many decades until a doctor Rubino in Europe rediscovered the 1950's published journals and confirmed the findings in the lab using diabetic rats. The rest is history. But it is still not well published because there is a huge debate in the medical community on how to set the policies.

Out of 25 million diabetics only 200,000 qualify (<1%) in America. however in other countries all diabetics regardless of weight are permitted to have this surgery to cure themselves of Type 2 diabetes.

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Edmund, while what you claim is plausible I would rather see some references to some credible sources. For instance I do not see what the difference would be that only 1% qualify in America, but overseas everyone gets treated. There are 100s of thousands of Americans that travel overseas for medical treatment every year, surely something this remarkable would be somewhere other than U-Tube.

I enjoy learning new things so I did a quick google and came up with this. And a few other articles, what I see is it looks promising, clinical trials, etc. What I am not seeing is an over the top slam dunk. Nor am I seeing that this was buried for 40 years, but again I would like to see any credible links you have.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080305113659.htm

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Spector567
05-30-2013, 05:56 PM
At least with the videos you can see and hear the words coming from the actual scientists, this is not possible with written documents. Publications can be faked and forged. But video and audio can not be, especially when the actual scientist or expert is being interviewed.

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Ed video is harder to fake but you still have to consider the source. ANYONE can pretend to be a scientists or expert on YouTube. People do it every single day. Also the very nature of YouTube is to produce and edit video's. It won't take much to fake/embellish this sort of thing. most of your YouTube videos show a spinning disk under almost zero friction, spinning very fast. They do not show any meaningful power being produced.

So with respect a story or source from some place reputable is much better than a YouTube video.

Now you said that there is a 37,000Kw motor in Germany. For something this important there must be a news article on it, or information on the organization that constructed it.

Edmund129
05-31-2013, 05:03 PM
Edmund, while what you claim is plausible I would rather see some references to some credible sources. For instance I do not see what the difference would be that only 1% qualify in America, but overseas everyone gets treated. There are 100s of thousands of Americans that travel overseas for medical treatment every year, surely something this remarkable would be somewhere other than U-Tube.

I enjoy learning new things so I did a quick google and came up with this. And a few other articles, what I see is it looks promising, clinical trials, etc. What I am not seeing is an over the top slam dunk. Nor am I seeing that this was buried for 40 years, but again I would like to see any credible links you have.

Diabetes May Be Disorder Of Upper Intestine: Surgery May Correct It (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080305113659.htm)

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Here is a CBS 60 minutes special that talks about the origins of duodenal bypass surgery:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4029652n

it is already being used in America and around the world. America has the strictest rules on using this surgery. This is why <1% of diabetic can get this surgery in America, while most other countries permit it for all Type 2 diabetics. This has no effect on Type 1 diabetes unless Type 1 was caused by Type 2 diabetes, which in some cases is.



http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4029652n

Edmund129
05-31-2013, 05:12 PM
Ed video is harder to fake but you still have to consider the source. ANYONE can pretend to be a scientists or expert on YouTube. People do it every single day. Also the very nature of YouTube is to produce and edit video's. It won't take much to fake/embellish this sort of thing. most of your YouTube videos show a spinning disk under almost zero friction, spinning very fast. They do not show any meaningful power being produced.

So with respect a story or source from some place reputable is much better than a YouTube video.

Now you said that there is a 37,000Kw motor in Germany. For something this important there must be a news article on it, or information on the organization that constructed it.

And this is coming from someone that believes that a 0.5 degree C rise in 150 years is proof that the world is being destroyed by man made global warming. While the evidence clearly proves that the last 150 years has had the smallest temperature changes in all previously measured historical proxie temperature measurements.

And this from someone that believes polar bears are drowning in the artic circle, even though no one to date has produces a single picture of a drowned polar bear.

If you think these videos are faked, prove it. Explain how they pulled off the fakery.

nomaxim
05-31-2013, 06:47 PM
Here is a CBS 60 minutes special that talks about the origins of duodenal bypass surgery:

The Bypass Effect - 60 Minutes - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4029652n)

it is already being used in America and around the world. America has the strictest rules on using this surgery. This is why <1% of diabetic can get this surgery in America, while most other countries permit it for all Type 2 diabetics. This has no effect on Type 1 diabetes unless Type 1 was caused by Type 2 diabetes, which in some cases is.



http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4029652n
And this is coming from someone that believes that a 0.5 degree C rise in 150 years is proof that the world is being destroyed by man made global warming. While the evidence clearly proves that the last 150 years has had the smallest temperature changes in all previously measured historical proxie temperature measurements.

And this from someone that believes polar bears are drowning in the artic circle, even though no one to date has produces a single picture of a drowned polar bear.

If you think these videos are faked, prove it. Explain how they pulled off the fakery.

And either of these responses has what, exactly to do with the thread topic?
Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

Edmund129
Can you stay on topic?

Spector567
05-31-2013, 08:51 PM
And this is coming from someone that believes that a 0.5 degree C rise in 150 years is proof that the world is being destroyed by man made global warming. While the evidence clearly proves that the last 150 years has had the smallest temperature changes in all previously measured historical proxie temperature measurements.

And this from someone that believes polar bears are drowning in the artic circle, even though no one to date has produces a single picture of a drowned polar bear.

If you think these videos are faked, prove it. Explain how they pulled off the fakery.


Ed...... you don't seem to be getting the point. YouTube is not a useful or viable source. People post **** up there every single day making a variety of claims. So You'll have to forgive me if I don't hold a medium primary devoted to funny cat videos along side nationally accredited papers or organizations. You know the saying. "don't believe everything you see on TV." (or youtube in this case)

Also as I said most of your videos' don't show meaningful power production. So while it is very possible that the disc spins at the rate they are talking about. What I am not sure about is amount of power that is being produced. Those are just the questions assuming the videos are 100% true and accurate.

You have not addressed this beyond saying you "heard" something about a megawatt generator in Germany. I'm genuinely interested in that generator.

However, your continued evasion and inability to provide the most basic source information is quickly turning my curiosity into skepticism.



As to the global warming stuff. I believe we have a thread already created for that and you have not addressed my response or other peoples responses yet in that thread.


I'm looking forward to your additional documentation Ed. Than we can talk more about this.

ProfHenryHiggins
05-31-2013, 09:56 PM
In terms used by TV Tropes, Edmund129, "You fail marketing forever."

However, I would be more prone to compare you to the Flame Warriors, specifically to Klaxon (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/klaxon.htm) However, unlike such trolls, you can't seem to manage a spark, much less set a flame war going.

Edmund129
06-01-2013, 10:16 AM
Spector567, hope you stick around and do some scam busting.

I think someone over on Scam called Poe's Law on Edmund and that is about as spot on as anything I can come up with. I am no scientist, but from what I have read on these motors the big flaw comes when you try to use them to divert the energy to actually power something. At that point the motor expends more energy than it creates, hence no free lunch.

The irony I find with Edmund is that he is very big oil and coal, yet heavily discounts the possibility that those organizations would be the very ones to buy up this technology if it existed and put it on a shelf. He without realizing it proves the point here with an example from the medical community. http://www.realscam.com/f36/type-2-diabetes-now-curable-has-been-since-1950s-2175/ Which is one obvious "flaw" in the free market. Yet if I read him correctly he would blame environmental nazi fascist socialist commies and big gubment for keeping the magnetic motor from hitting the market. At the same time, he appears to claim the exact opposite from the medical community that would be displayed by big energy.

From my vantage point, the dichotomy in his viewpoints calls in to question what his intent really is.


Oil Companys and other corporations don't have the power to prevent anyone from using a patent, even if the oil company's buy it up and own the patents. Only the Government has the power to prevent someone from using a patent without the patent holders permission or paying royalties. Even though the patent holder has to pay the legal fees, it is still only the government that has the power to prevent, deprive, arrest or destroy anyone's attempt to use a patented Magnetic Linear Motor.

The Government steals 98% of all gross profits from the selling of all energy and fuel products. The Energy and fuel companys only get to keep 2% of those gross profits, Oil and Energy companys have no more interest in crude oil and energy production because of the paper thin 2% profit margins, they are the first ones that want to see fossil fuel sources to get replaced by something else. It is the Government that will loose Trillions of dollars per year in energy and fuel sales, the oil company's will only loose billions. So it is only World Governments that are interested is keeping fossil fuels, nuclear fuels, hydro-electric power, etc., because they are easily taxed. How are they going to tax a Magnetic Linear Motor built in someone's home or factory?

Governments are the power hungry power grabbing power greedy organizations that prevent the use of competitive energy sources, not oil companys or energy companys. Governments attract egotistical power hungery people and repel the rest.

None of this will put the oil companys out of business though, because Crude oil is used to make over 10 million different products above and beyond just fuel and energy products. It is also used to make synthetic fibers, synthetic rubber, fertilizers, herbicides, pesticides, paints, lacquers, waxes, dyes, plastics, etc., ...

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ribshaw
06-01-2013, 11:13 AM
Edmund, I am too tried to quote that nonsense as everyone knows it is pure gibberish. The average Joe in America is supposed to have a lobbyist in their elected officials. Instead only BIG (INSERT INDUSTRY HERE) has lobbyists. While we have less corrupt governments than a lot of places, much improvement is needed. Like ZERO PRIVATE MONEY going to elected officials. At that point, once the whores leave, I will be much more willing to entertain a serious discussion about Gubmit.

But your AM radio, internet blog view of Gubmit, is not only ill informed it is destructive to our very way of life. Industry, economy, all the social functions are a little more complex than your lemonade stand version of Capitalism where industry can do no wrong and Gubmit is out to get you.

littleroundman
06-02-2013, 09:39 AM
Here is a CBS 60 minutes special that talks about the origins of duodenal bypass surgery:

The Bypass Effect - 60 Minutes - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4029652n)

it is already being used in America and around the world. America has the strictest rules on using this surgery. This is why <1% of diabetic can get this surgery in America, while most other countries permit it for all Type 2 diabetics. This has no effect on Type 1 diabetes unless Type 1 was caused by Type 2 diabetes, which in some cases is.

Spoken like somebody who knows nothing at all about Type II diabetes, other than what he has read on conspiracy websites and seen on populist "news" programs.

That is NOT why less than 1% of American type II diabetics can have access to this type of drastic surgery.

The WHOLE story and citations, Edmund, or it's all boolsheet.

Edmund129
06-02-2013, 01:47 PM
Spoken like somebody who knows nothing at all about Type II diabetes, other than what he has read on conspiracy websites and seen on populist "news" programs.

That is NOT why less than 1% of American type II diabetics can have access to this type of drastic surgery.

The WHOLE story and citations, Edmund, or it's all boolsheet.

I know more about Type 2 diabetes than you realize. I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes 16 years ago and have been attending Endocrinologist Dietician education classes for most of those 16 years. I first notice my first symptoms of Type 2 Diabetes (Insulin Resistance) when I was a teenager back in the early 1970's when I only weighed in at 140 pounds and 6' 1" tall. Based on my height and weight I should of weighed no less than 160 pounds, so I was literally 20 pounds underweight. This is when I first noticed my first symptoms of type 2 diabetes with diabetic rashes on my feet and shins, suffered from bad chronic dandruff, psoriasis of the skin, and chronic athletes foot fungus that would never clear up; And massive head aches when I over exerted myself, massively heavy breathing and chest pains after vigorous exercise and extremely soar after working out later in the evening and in the mornings.

I was cured of Type 2 diabetes a little over one year ago on April 23rd,2012 when I got an operation called the duodenal Switch. The surgery instantly cured me of my Type 2 diabetes within 5 days after the surgery. I was off all of my diabetic medications, blood pressure medications, cholesterol medications and heart medications before I even left the hospital. I was also instantly cured of my chronic psoriasis of the skin; which includes my dandruff and athletes foot fungus problems and patches of dry skin on parts of my body where the sun normally doesn't shine. Before the operation I weighed in at 380 pounds, two weeks after the operation I lost 56 pounds, and one year later I lost 152 pounds. One year later I weighed in at 228 pounds and still losing about 2 pounds per week. The amazing thing was, I was cured of my Type 2 diabetes even before I lost my first pound.

Since the surgery heavy workouts don't leave me winded or soar later or in the morning. My body and muscles feel find later in the evening and in the mornings.

According to Bariatric surgeon Dr. Thompson of Barkers Bariatrics in Dallas, Texas, they have clearly proven in both human and lab animal studies that if they bypass the duodenum (the first 12 inches of the small intestine, which only makes up about 5% of the entire small intestine) that Type 2 diabetes and all of its symptoms are instantly cured. And if they restore the duodenum back, that the Type 2 diabetes will instantly return like it had been before. They have tried bypassing and even removing other sections of the small intestine, the stomach and even the large intestine, and none of which have any effect on the Type 2 diabetes. Only when the duodenum is removed does the Type 2 diabetes completely disappear. Baratric surgeons have clearly proven that Type 2 diabetes is strictly a disease of the duodenum and nothing else is causing the Type 2 diabetes.

Massive weight gain does not really cause Type 2 diabetes, but simply only makes the disease worse than it otherwise would be. Not all Type 2 diabetics gain weight. Only about 33% do. The country with the largest percentage of diabetics is India with 9% of the population having diabetes. 50% to 67% of Indians are vegetarians and they are some of the thinnest people in the world. China comes in second, when was the last time you saw an overweight Chinese?

Only 8.25% of Americans have Diabetes, which means there are about 25 million Americans with diabetes. Only 200,000 daibetics qualify for duodenal bypass surgery, those are the official numbers. that means less than 1% of all American diabetics qualify for this type of surgery. In spite of the fact, that the medical community knows the surgery works on all diabetics regardless of weight.

So as you can clearly see most diabetics are of completely normal weight or even flat out thin. In a type 2 diabetics lower weight can make the symptoms so small and mild they may not even realize they have Type 2 diabetes until their first heart attack or stroke, or bout with cancer.

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Edmund129
06-02-2013, 02:17 PM
Edmund, I am too tried to quote that nonsense as everyone knows it is pure gibberish. The average Joe in America is supposed to have a lobbyist in their elected officials. Instead only BIG (INSERT INDUSTRY HERE) has lobbyists. While we have less corrupt governments than a lot of places, much improvement is needed. Like ZERO PRIVATE MONEY going to elected officials. At that point, once the whores leave, I will be much more willing to entertain a serious discussion about Gubmit.

But your AM radio, internet blog view of Gubmit, is not only ill informed it is destructive to our very way of life. Industry, economy, all the social functions are a little more complex than your lemonade stand version of Capitalism where industry can do no wrong and Gubmit is out to get you.



There used to be an oil lobby decades ago, but they were eradicated through corrupt political upheavals in the 1970's. Do you really think if the oil company's had good lobbyists that they would be paying 98% of their gross profits in Federal and State taxes?

Do you really think if the oil companies had really good lobbyists in Washington that the President could sick the EPA on them and shut down all of their oil riggs in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska? If the oil Company's had any kind of lobbyists in Washington that they would have to put up with the Mass fraud of "Man Made Global Warming" Carbon taxes and Cap-N-Trade laws and regulations?

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ribshaw
06-02-2013, 02:26 PM
There used to be an oil lobby decades ago, but they were eradicated through corrupt political upheavals in the 1970's. Do you really think if the oil company's had good lobbyists that they would be paying 98% of their gross profits in Federal and State taxes?

Do you really think if the oil companies had really good lobbyists in Washington that the President could sick the EPA on them and shut down all of their oil riggs in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska? If the oil Company's had any kind of lobbyists in Washington that they would have to put up with the Mass fraud of "Man Made Global Warming" Carbon taxes and Cap-N-Trade laws and regulations?....

Again Edmund this is total hyperbole and dare I say bullshit.

I think when you have people that are willing to blindly repeat any nonsense they hear on the radio or read in an internet blog with out anything to back it up that is the best lobbying of all.

There are one of three things at work here.

1. You are willing to tell lies to try and support your case. Hence your credibility is zero.
2. You are willing to repeat everything you are told without further research. Hence your credibility is zero.
3. You have no idea how to do your own research to verify what you are told, and actually believe your information is correct. Again, your credibility is zero.

If you can't start posting CREDIBLE links then what is the purpose of posting?

ProfHenryHiggins
06-02-2013, 04:07 PM
There used to be an oil lobby decades ago, but they were eradicated through corrupt political upheavals in the 1970's. Do you really think if the oil company's had good lobbyists that they would be paying 98% of their gross profits in Federal and State taxes?

Do you really think if the oil companies had really good lobbyists in Washington that the President could sick the EPA on them and shut down all of their oil riggs in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska? If the oil Company's had any kind of lobbyists in Washington that they would have to put up with the Mass fraud of "Man Made Global Warming" Carbon taxes and Cap-N-Trade laws and regulations?

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Put mind in gear before operating keyboard, Edmund. 98% taxation of gross profits means no money for repairs, building new things, payroll, et al. That statistic is made up from whole cloth, not facts. Are you going to learn to spot such obvious flaws in logic, or keep putting your feet in your mouth up to the 7th joints?

Edmund129
06-02-2013, 04:23 PM
Put mind in gear before operating keyboard, Edmund. 98% taxation of gross profits means no money for repairs, building new things, payroll, et al. That statistic is made up from whole cloth, not facts. Are you going to learn to spot such obvious flaws in logic, or keep putting your feet in your mouth up to the 7th joints?

You are only counting Corporate income taxes and ignoring the 10 million other different taxes the oil company pays to explore for oil, drill for oil, transporting the oil, refining the oil, pre-processing the oil, post processing the oil, transporting the final products, pumping those final products into storage tanks and the final sales tax (the only tax that is publically noticed on your bill), etc., .... Oil companies pay tons of taxes above and beyond just the final sales tax on gasoline, diesel, propane, butane, etc., ... I'm saying if you count up all of the taxes the oil companies pay, it ends up taking 98% of their gross profits. For every dollar the oil company makes, they only get to keep 2 cents out of every dollar. Even with that their net profits are only a few 10's of billions dollars, barely enough net profit to run one oil rig for one week. Absolutely paper thin profits, in the mean time, the government that did absolutely nothing to earn their keep hordes countless Trillions of dollars for themselves. The Government is making 50 times what the oil company is making, and the government blames the oil company's for the high prices.

If you removed all the taxes on the crude oil and the gasoline, but still taxed the oil company's for payroll taxes and corporate taxes gasoline would sell for 18 cents a gallon today.

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ProfHenryHiggins
06-02-2013, 04:27 PM
You are only counting Corporate income taxes and ignoring the 10 million other different taxes the oil company pays to explore for oil, drill for oil, transporting the oil, refining the oil, pre-processing the oil, post processing the oil, transporting the final products, pumping those final products into storage tanks and the final sales tax (the only tax that is publically noticed on your bill), etc., .... Oil companies pay tons of taxes above and beyond just the final sales tax on gasoline, diesel, propane, butane, etc., ... I'm saying if you count up all of the taxes the oil companies pay, it ends up taking 98% of their gross profits. For every dollar the oil company makes, they only get to keep 2 cents out of every dollar. Even with that their net profits are only a few 10's of billions dollars, barely enough net profit to run one oil rig for one week. Absolutely paper thin profits, in the mean time, the government that did absolutely nothing to earn their keep hordes countless Trillions of dollars for themselves. The Government is making 50 times what the oil company is making, and the government blames the oil company's for the high prices.

If you removed all the taxes on the crude oil and the gasoline, but still taxed the oil company's for payroll taxes and corporate taxes gasoline would sell for 18 cents a gallon today.

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Apparently you failed to see which word I placed in italics for emphasis. The word "gross."
Gross profits are the income brought in before expenses.

You do not have a profit margin if gross profits are taxed so heavily that net profits become negative, which is the case you described.

Edmund129
06-02-2013, 04:33 PM
Ed...... you don't seem to be getting the point. YouTube is not a useful or viable source. People post **** up there every single day making a variety of claims. So You'll have to forgive me if I don't hold a medium primary devoted to funny cat videos along side nationally accredited papers or organizations. You know the saying. "don't believe everything you see on TV." (or youtube in this case)

Also as I said most of your videos' don't show meaningful power production. So while it is very possible that the disc spins at the rate they are talking about. What I am not sure about is amount of power that is being produced. Those are just the questions assuming the videos are 100% true and accurate.

You have not addressed this beyond saying you "heard" something about a megawatt generator in Germany. I'm genuinely interested in that generator.

However, your continued evasion and inability to provide the most basic source information is quickly turning my curiosity into skepticism.



As to the global warming stuff. I believe we have a thread already created for that and you have not addressed my response or other peoples responses yet in that thread.


I'm looking forward to your additional documentation Ed. Than we can talk more about this.

At least in a Video you can see with your own eyes the observations, the scientists that are making the claims coming right out of their mouths, the measured data and how they made those measurements.

With documentation it can easily be forged or faked and you really can't prove with documentation who created the documentation. Especially when you have corrupt government funded organizations like the CRU, NOAA, IPCC Administrative heads and the United Nations bribing the conclusions of Administrative heads and corrupt scientists. Just examine the corruption in the Climate-gate Emails where by Michael Mann admitted to shutting down 7,000 of the coldest weather stations while leaving their measurements in the baseline to create an artificial rise in temperatures in the decade following the year 2000.

I'm arguing that the Magnetic linear motors are not free energy that propagates for ever. Because the bill of materials to build these motors aren't cheap and magnets don't get to keep their magnetism for ever. Magnets will degrade over time, but it is over a great period of time that is on par with nuclear batteries. literally lasting for centuries before any noticeable degradation in performance.



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Spector567
06-02-2013, 05:43 PM
At least in a Video you can see with your own eyes the observations, the scientists that are making the claims coming right out of their mouths, the measured data and how they made those measurements.

With documentation it can easily be forged or faked and you really can't prove with documentation who created the documentation. Especially when you have corrupt government funded organizations like the CRU, NOAA, IPCC Administrative heads and the United Nations bribing the conclusions of Administrative heads and corrupt scientists. Just examine the corruption in the Climate-gate Emails where by Michael Mann admitted to shutting down 7,000 of the coldest weather stations while leaving their measurements in the baseline to create an artificial rise in temperatures in the decade following the year 2000.

I'm arguing that the Magnetic linear motors are not free energy that propagates for ever. Because the bill of materials to build these motors aren't cheap and magnets don't get to keep their magnetism for ever. Magnets will degrade over time, but it is over a great period of time that is on par with nuclear batteries. literally lasting for centuries before any noticeable degradation in performance.



...Ed please forgive me but your responses seem very contradictory.

So BILLIONS of pieces of evidence and documentations are forged and faked. along with the written on record opinion of millions of scientists from across the globe.

but a YouTube Video and a single source of evidence designed for editing and overseen by no-one is 100% true and accurate. (shall I bring up videos of holocaust denile)

Also you say your talking about magnetic motors but you are the one that keeps bringing up global warming side topic any and every single time someone asks you a question.

You also say argue that the magnetic motor isn't free power. Yet no-one is asking that. We keep asking for information showing that it produces meaningful power at all in the first place. Something you have not been able to prove in the slightest.



Do you have ANY Information regarding that megawatt generator in Germany or not.

I think we are all getting tired of your continued dodging on this. Do you have information on this or not?

ProfHenryHiggins
06-02-2013, 06:47 PM
Again Edmund this is total hyperbole and dare I say bullshit.

I think when you have people that are willing to blindly repeat any nonsense they hear on the radio or read in an internet blog with out anything to back it up that is the best lobbying of all.

There are one of three things at work here.

1. You are willing to tell lies to try and support your case. Hence your credibility is zero.
2. You are willing to repeat everything you are told without further research. Hence your credibility is zero.
3. You have no idea how to do your own research to verify what you are told, and actually believe your information is correct. Again, your credibility is zero.

If you can't start posting CREDIBLE links then what is the purpose of posting?


Having looked at Edmund's Youtube channel, and what I suspect to be his Facebook page, I would peg numbers 2 AND 3 as both being the case.
Mr. Williams appears to be so far to the political right that he's approaching being an extreme liberal by the anal path, if I'm correctly understanding (which I may not be) the human political sides of left and right. Some of the statements he has left on other peoples' videos display such a degree of obsession with politics, yet so little grasp of actual history, that I begin to wonder how in the world he managed to hold employment at Texas Instruments.

Spector567
06-02-2013, 07:02 PM
Having looked at Edmund's Youtube channel, and what I suspect to be his Facebook page, I would peg numbers 2 AND 3 as both being the case.
Mr. Williams appears to be so far to the political right that he's approaching being an extreme liberal by the anal path, if I'm correctly understanding (which I may not be) the human political sides of left and right. Some of the statements he has left on other peoples' videos display such a degree of obsession with politics, yet so little grasp of actual history, that I begin to wonder how in the world he managed to hold employment at Texas Instruments.

Maybe the same way that he was a chemical lab technician a couple of years ago.

Back than he was telling me that Asbestos wasn't dangerous because it was the same as Talcum powder. And the government was responsible for a space shuttle explosion because they banned Asbestos a chemical he said had no negative effects.

littleroundman
06-02-2013, 07:21 PM
I know more about Type 2 diabetes than you realize.

waffle waffle waffle

anecdotal evidence

more waffle, waffle, waffle
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C'mon, Edmund, you can do better than that.

ALL the evidence, Edward, not just your own anecdotal evidence.

Why is it less than 1% of US residents qualify for the procedure, Edmund ???

Edmund129
06-07-2013, 10:34 AM
Maybe the same way that he was a chemical lab technician a couple of years ago.

Back than he was telling me that Asbestos wasn't dangerous because it was the same as Talcum powder. And the government was responsible for a space shuttle explosion because they banned Asbestos a chemical he said had no negative effects.



I have never said I was a chemical lab technician. That is something you and your propagandist do all the time, just make stuff up. I am a Characterization Engineer that works in an Electronic Characterization Lab. Where we Conduct electronic experiments to verify Electronic designs and explore new designs. While also testing old designs for flaws and their extreme limits on what they are capable of. I know the correct and incorrect procedure for lab protocols. And the one thing we never do, that Global Warming Alarmists are always doing, is to cook the books to propagate a mass fraud. That is not only dishonest, but is also criminal.

That is why the real name for "Man Made Global Warming" is Criminal Grand Larceny.

Edmund129
06-07-2013, 10:48 AM
Ed please forgive me but your responses seem very contradictory.

So BILLIONS of pieces of evidence and documentations are forged and faked. along with the written on record opinion of millions of scientists from across the globe.

but a YouTube Video and a single source of evidence designed for editing and overseen by no-one is 100% true and accurate. (shall I bring up videos of holocaust denile)

Also you say your talking about magnetic motors but you are the one that keeps bringing up global warming side topic any and every single time someone asks you a question.

You also say argue that the magnetic motor isn't free power. Yet no-one is asking that. We keep asking for information showing that it produces meaningful power at all in the first place. Something you have not been able to prove in the slightest.



Do you have ANY Information regarding that megawatt generator in Germany or not.

I think we are all getting tired of your continued dodging on this. Do you have information on this or not?

There isn't even one single shred of evidence that supports one single argument of the Man made Global Warming scam at all.

1) 100% of all Proxy data whether it be ice core data, ocean depth water measurement data or tree ring data clearly shows temperatures rising centuries before CO2 levels rise, clearly proving that Temperature always drives CO2 levels and CO2 levels have never ever effected temperature. This is clearly been proven in every single piece of Climate research and is also reflected in every single book on Climatology.

2) While the Global Warming Alarmist and Master Propagandists are screaming that the polar bears are drowing by the millions in the Artic circle, no one has to date ever produced a single photograph of a drowned polar bear. There have been cartoons and hand sketched drawings, but never an authentic photograph of a drowned polar bear. In 1966 the polar bear population was 5,000 and at last count it was 26,000. So since 1966 the polar bear population has increased by more than 5 times, while the human population has only increased by 3 times. Based on the measured data the polar bears are doing better than the human population.

3) Global Warming Propagandists argue that global warming will bring about an apocholiptic end to the world and kill off billions of people. But when one examines past periods of global warming it has always produced periods of great wealth and prosperity for both humans and nature. Only during the little ice age do things turn to hell in a hand basket; which usually produces longer winters and shorter summers; which in turn causes crop failures, mass starvation and plagues. So why the hell are we trying to replace global warming with ice ages? This is why the theory of "Man Made Global Warming" is not only a scientific fraud, but is the kind of fraud intended on slaughter billions of innocent unarmed people through massive tax hikes, massive government regulations; mass starvation, mass genocide, mass confiscation of private property, mass unemployment, mass economic destruction, etc., ...

4) Because of the propaganda of man made global warming 95% of all the world's oil industry is now owned by Governments and not oil companies. So if you are complaining about high gasoline prices and high crude oil prices, just remember that the World Governments own 95% of all the oil in the world. And the private sector corporations only own 5%. So this isn't a plot hatched by private corporations, but instead driving 95% of the time by governments and their greedy hunger for more power over the people and their jobs and propertly...

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Edmund129
06-07-2013, 11:54 AM
Again Edmund this is total hyperbole and dare I say bullshit.

I think when you have people that are willing to blindly repeat any nonsense they hear on the radio or read in an internet blog with out anything to back it up that is the best lobbying of all.

There are one of three things at work here.

1. You are willing to tell lies to try and support your case. Hence your credibility is zero.
2. You are willing to repeat everything you are told without further research. Hence your credibility is zero.
3. You have no idea how to do your own research to verify what you are told, and actually believe your information is correct. Again, your credibility is zero.

If you can't start posting CREDIBLE links then what is the purpose of posting?



My sources come from reputable scientists, I have spent most of my career working in Laboratories and with PHD's that do serious research for electronic designs. I know the correct procedures.

My Global Warming facts come directly from the climatologists that do the actual work of Climate change research at NASA, MIT, IPCC, Alabama State University, Virginia State University, Ohio State University, etc., ....

I use videos so you can see the actual words coming from the mouth of the real scientific Climatologist that actually do the work, and not from some faceless easily faked documentation published by scientific frauds like Steve Jones, Michael Mann or Al Gore.

When a public debate is arranged for Real Climatologists to debate with Global Warming propagandists, it is the Global Warming Propagandist that refuse to publically debate because it is the Global Warming Propagandists that have not one shred of measured or observed data to back up their claims. All they have are worthless computer models that can't even simulate water vapor or precipitation.

About a year or two ago James Cameron decided to hold a public debate on Man Made Global Warming with the Man Made Global Warming alarmist debating against those Climatologists that disagree with Man Made Global Warming. But to James Cameron's surprise, it was the Man Made Global Warming Alarmists that advised him to cancel the public debate, not the Climatologists like Richard Lindzen or Tim Ball. So as you can clearly see, man made global warming propagandists don't have even one shred of real evidence to support enough of their arguments to even have a public debate.



Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections

Scientists in this section have made comments that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.

Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society [10]
Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences[11]
Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003), and author of books supporting the validity of dowsing[12]
Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow ANU[13]
Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London[14]
Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute [15]


Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes

Graph showing the ability with which a global climate model is able to reconstruct the historical temperature record, and the degree to which those temperature changes can be decomposed into various forcing factors. It shows the effects of five forcing factors: greenhouse gases, man-made sulfate emissions, solar variability, ozone changes, and volcanic emissions.[16]
Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences[17]
Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[18][19]
Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[20]
Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland[21]
David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester[22]
Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University[23]
William M. Gray, professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University[24]
William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University[25]
William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology[26]
David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware[27]
Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[28]
Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[29][30]
Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of Mining Geology, the University of Adelaide.[31]
Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University[32][33]
Tom Segalstad, head of the Geology Museum at the University of Oslo[34]
Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia[35][36][37]
Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[38]
Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville[39]
Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center[40]
Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa[41]

Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown

Scientists in this section have made comments that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks[42]
Claude Allègre, politician; geochemist, Institute of Geophysics (Paris)[43]
Robert C. Balling, Jr., a professor of geography at Arizona State University[44]
John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC[45][46]
Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory[47]
Judith Curry, chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology[48]
David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma[49]
Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists[50]

Scientists arguing that global warming will have few negative consequences

Scientists in this section have made comments that projected rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for human society and/or the Earth's environment. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

Craig D. Idso, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change [51]
Sherwood Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University[52]
Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science at the University of Virginia[53]

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nomaxim
06-07-2013, 02:26 PM
There isn't even one single shred of evidence that supports one single argument of the Man made Global Warming scam at all.Yep, you are correct.

There is no evidence of a scam.

Edmund129
06-08-2013, 05:44 PM
And either of these responses has what, exactly to do with the thread topic?
Magnetic drive Motor or Nuclear Driven Motor?

Edmund129
Can you stay on topic?

I am staying on topic, it is Spector and others like him that keep changing the topic.

Spector567
06-09-2013, 07:06 AM
I am staying on topic, it is Spector and others like him that keep changing the topic.
Ed....... The topic is magnetic motors. Not global warming.

And you have still failed to provide evidence if that megawatt generator.

Edmund129
08-09-2013, 01:24 PM
Ed....... The topic is magnetic motors. Not global warming.

And you have still failed to provide evidence if that megawatt generator.

It wasn't a megawatt Generator, but a 47kw generator.

Spector567
08-11-2013, 05:07 PM
It wasn't a megawatt Generator, but a 47kw generator.
Ok........

and once again can you please provide the evidence of that generator? I believe after 2 months you've had more than enough time to find it.