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sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 04:39 PM
Affiliate screams at Terry Stern that he is unhappy about how he is being paid through the BB Ponzi Scheme
Terry Stern, publicly states that payment times will improve

I am completely amazed how TS could be that stupid. Call me stupid, but if I had been TS, once an affiliate told me that he was aware of the Ponzi scheme and was still in it, all conversations would of ceased. They should of brought in that crack legal team because it is apparent that TS must be on crack!!!!! LMAO

Bill Lucas

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 04:43 PM
Well at least you got to give the scumbags at BB credit for running an equal opportunity Ponzi scheme. Even a black man can get ripped off. Only in Canada. LMAO

Bill Lucas

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 04:46 PM
Terry is probably asking for raise, he didn't sign up for it.
Mean lying thru teeth and being regular PR there is huge $ difference.

If they are paying Terry Stern more than a buck an hour, their stupidity would far exceed my expectations. Terry Stern has got to be the most stupid moron on the face of this planet. (Bill Lucas)

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 04:49 PM
I love the way they apologise, say there no excuses, then give an excuse. :RpS_smile:

We are all very busy "Chris", we are all very busy. Your supposed to be a freaking genius "Chris" sort it out dude :RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

Do not be mislead by idiots or you will become their idiot. Case in point, Terry Stern (Bill Lucas was here)

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 04:53 PM
Do not be mislead by idiots or you will become their idiot. Case in point, Terry Stern (Bill Lucas was here)

I wonder what book they use for coming up with all the BS they shovel? Bullshit for Dummies? Guide for crackheads who run a Ponzi scheme? You too can be a scumbag crack head in just 49 easy lessons?

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 06:08 PM
Just for the record, lest it vanish...

2894

2895

source (http://allevents.in/Port%20of%20Spain/BANNERS-BROKER-TandT-CONVENTION-FREE-ENTRANCE/240625886064370#)


Personally, I think Chris Smith should be the Genisis Book of Records. The first white man to turn in to a scumbag black man in less than a 2 year time span. Way to go Chris! LMFAO!

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 06:39 PM
Bill's Unabashed Encyclopedia of Dick Head Ponzi Celebrities

search: Chris Smith
.......searching......searching...... return 1 hit

Chris Smith: one of hundreds of the assumed names for Rajiv Dixit. Be advised that this assumed name is used by many paid dupes to promote confusion. Additionally, further confusion is promulgated by using dupes of several nationalities. Last seen dupe portrayed by african american of Jamaican decent. Current information indicates will next be portrayed by transvestite promising higher and faster payouts.

Authors note: Way to go Rajiv. A piece of human garbage transvestite will be the most honest representation of you yet.

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 06:41 PM
Personally, I think Chris Smith should be the Genisis Book of Records. The first white man to turn in to a scumbag black man in less than a 2 year time span. Way to go Chris! LMFAO!



Bill's Unabashed Encyclopedia of Dick Head Ponzi Celebrities

search: Chris Smith
.......searching......searching...... return 1 hit

Chris Smith: one of hundreds of the assumed names for Rajiv Dixit. Be advised that this assumed name is used by many paid dupes to promote confusion. Additionally, further confusion is promulgated by using dupes of several nationalities. Last seen dupe portrayed by african american of Jamaican decent. Current information indicates will next be portrayed by transvestite promising higher and faster payouts.

Authors note: Way to go Rajiv. A piece of human garbage transvestite will be the most honest representation of you yet.

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 06:43 PM
Some more info on the possible origins of Mr Smith - as a Jamaican. From a website called !All events in Port of Spain". (The bold is mine)

Dated November 22nd 2012.

Chris Smith, the owner and co-founder of Banners Broker International, an Online Advertising company with a difference, is coming to Trinidad and Tobago for the very first time.

- Come see how this business model has made it possible for many to earn significant income online.

- Come learn how you can earn this income as well

- Internet Advertising business, based on Google

- Not based on MLM, Network Marketing nor Ponzi principles.

- No 'Levels' (Gold, Ruby, etc.). All have equal opportunity to earn.

- One of the most successful advertising businesses started by a 'black' man (Jamaican born)

- Over 170,000 affiliates worldwide and growing.

- Legitimate business with offices located in Belize, Canada, Ireland, UK, India, Portugal, Cyprus and T&T!!!



Bill's Unabashed Encyclopedia of Dick Head Ponzi Celebrities

search: Chris Smith
.......searching......searching...... return 1 hit

Chris Smith: one of hundreds of the assumed names for Rajiv Dixit. Be advised that this assumed name is used by many paid dupes to promote confusion. Additionally, further confusion is promulgated by using dupes of several nationalities. Last seen dupe portrayed by african american of Jamaican decent. Current information indicates will next be portrayed by transvestite promising higher and faster payouts.

Authors note: Way to go Rajiv. A piece of human garbage transvestite will be the most honest representation of you yet.

Papaponzi
01-25-2013, 07:01 PM
@sixsigmamb, not liking the cut of your jib

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 07:04 PM
ATTENTION!!!!!

Jan 25, 2013 5:30PST, subject Terry Stern seen leaving Stellar Point HQ Canada driving a 1972 Ford Pinto, pink, personal lic plate 'DICKHEAD'. Vehicle has big bumper sticker on the rear bumper that says, 'Honk if you are gay too'.

**** If you see this individual, please tell him that his daddy says, just because he takes it up the anus 24/7 is no reason for him to try to put a dick up all of ours!

Thank you for your cooperation and or help!

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 07:06 PM
@sixsigmamb, not liking the cut of your jib

Why, are you some kind of sensitive transvestite or a Chris Smith fan club member?

Jerrygo
01-25-2013, 07:07 PM
Stop



.

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 07:14 PM
Stop



.

I am sorry, a noun I am a little dense. Stop what? Slamming Chris Smith? Terry Stern? Rajiv Dixit? Or simply asking what 'not liking the cut of your jib' means?

Jerrygo
01-25-2013, 07:18 PM
The thread is not for coming on just to scream obscenities. Have you something interesting to contribute?

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 07:22 PM
The thread is not for coming on just to scream obscenities. Have you something interesting to contribute?

Oh yes, but you probably would not want to hear it.

Jerrygo
01-25-2013, 07:29 PM
I am not getting into a discussion with you about this sixsigmab, and i wont reply to your pm. If you have something interesting to say then say it. But try to say it in a way that you would not mind your family or children reading it.

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 07:31 PM
I am just an old California stoner and would appreciate any help other members here may be able to give me in understanding what exactly this blog is accomplishing. This has been my take so far:

1. Affiliate criminal knowingly participating in Ponzi scheme pissed off because of slow payments and or got in to late.
2. Criminals at BB sending idiots to promulgate more disinformation, false promises and lies to calm other criminals
3. Cheerleaders for both sides and other bored outsiders, pitching 99% useless uniformed garbage around under the false assumptions of knowing something useful.

Have I missed something?

Theseus
01-25-2013, 07:34 PM
I am just an old California stoner and would appreciate any help other members here may be able to give me in understanding what exactly this blog is accomplishing. This has been my take so far:

1. Affiliate criminal knowingly participating in Ponzi scheme pissed off because of slow payments and or got in to late.
2. Criminals at BB sending idiots to promulgate more disinformation, false promises and lies to calm other criminals
3. Cheerleaders for both sides and other bored outsiders, pitching 99% useless uniformed garbage around under the false assumptions of knowing something useful.

Have I missed something?


Feel free to add something constructive to the thread.....

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 07:34 PM
Okay, in the interest of any of the aforementioned criminals children showing up here or other innocents, i will tone down the cussing and references to transvestite Ponzi scheme operators. Am I good to go!

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 07:37 PM
Feel free to add something constructive to the thread.....

In due consideration of the previous 300 pages of posts to this blog, without a doubt the quoted information referenced in this reply has been the most constructive and honest information provided as of this reply. Geeze, how much more do you want?

baylee
01-25-2013, 07:56 PM
In due consideration of the previous 300 pages of posts to this blog, without a doubt the quoted information referenced in this reply has been the most constructive and honest information provided as of this reply. Geeze, how much more do you want?

Actually, I am good with just moving forward from here. Happy to have you here and posting.

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 08:18 PM
Well thank you. Just for that here is free exert from one of my publications:

Bill's Guide to Scamming for Dummies
Chpt. 4 - Customer Service

Every good Ponzi scheme needs a free customer service department, not that you would actually provide any, but what else could we call it? Here are some step by step instructions for building a first class and don't forget, free....customer service department.

1. Create a complaint blog targeted towards your current scam.
2. Create fictitious name of blog publisher and provide all the already known complaints against your scam. This will not hurt your scam because all your doing is posting what many already know about what your doing.
3. Create some bogus user names to piss, moan and tell on you to get the whole thing going.
4. Monitor the posts daily of the actual complainers that post on your blog. Monitoring of people stupid enough to admit that they are knowing affiliates and or participants of your Ponzi scheme, can be useful to you later for reminding them they are criminally responsible too!

Who needs expensive marketing survey companies, customer support tickets and or other customer service mediums, when you can have you own ears to the ground while collecting valuable information about the people who are complaining about your scam. This is a revolutionary means of keeping abreast of things going on to burn your scam and the best disinformation source available for keeping everyone misinformed about what is really going on inside of your scam.

**** Disclaimer: This customer service tool is for serious scammers only. Use at your own risk.

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 08:48 PM
Here is what some of my happy customers are saying:

"Bill, keep up the great work. Bill's Guide to Scammers for Dummies, has become the holy grail here at BB." C. Smith

"Awesome, Awesome, Awesome. I just love chapter 4. Recently we held back some affiliate payments and oh how the sparks of misinformation flew. I was able to collect more information about who my main complainers are and just how misinformed most of my affiliates are, in a week than in our previous 2 years of business. I sit around late at night in my boxers laughing my a.. off at some of the crazy things I am reading on my blog. Your book is worth millions. Keep up good work. Your book is worth millions." Rajiv D.

"Chapter 4 is the greatest customer satisfaction tool we have ever used. We have spent thousands of dollars in past for research data on how effective our previous disinformation promotions were working. Our first week of using your customer service tool, we learned more valuable information than what millions of dollars of independent research would have ever revealed. Shame we did not use your tools before we already were to far gone to save our business." Zeek Rewards 4ever

"Highly recommended" Terry S.

"May I suggest using legitimate complaints blogs as well?" Big Daddy R.


Folks, get your copy today absolutely for free.

littleroundman
01-25-2013, 08:49 PM
I am just an old California stoner and would appreciate any help other members here may be able to give me in understanding what exactly this blog is accomplishing. This has been my take so far:

1. Affiliate criminal knowingly participating in Ponzi scheme pissed off because of slow payments and or got in to late.
2. Criminals at BB sending idiots to promulgate more disinformation, false promises and lies to calm other criminals
3. Cheerleaders for both sides and other bored outsiders, pitching 99% useless uniformed garbage around under the false assumptions of knowing something useful.

Have I missed something?

Hiya, sixsigmamb and welcome to REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com)

You appear to have overlooked #4:

4. A disparate group of people with a common concern at the increase in both the number and value of fraudulent schemes have come together to provide a free platform for others to voice their concerns and, where possible, provide information and advice in an effort to aid current and/or future victims of said fraudulent schemes.

Said disparate group of people do so unpaid, with no expectation of reward or recompense and even go so far as to allow smartassed random posters to avail themselves of the platform to expound their unaltered and unedited views.

Poyol
01-25-2013, 08:53 PM
Bill,

Why are you here? You've degraded this thread into mindless, sometimes-obscene waffle.

Can you not give your opinion without insulting at least one person?

If you want to disagree on the point I've made feel free to contact me at any of the mediums listed in my signature.

Jason

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 08:58 PM
Hiya, sixsigmamb and welcome to REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com)

You appear to have overlooked #4:

4. A disparate group of people with a common concern at the increase in both the number and value of fraudulent schemes have come together to provide a free platform for others to voice their concerns and, where possible, provide information and advice in an effort to aid current and/or future victims of said fraudulent schemes.

Said disparate group of people do so unpaid, with no expectation of reward or recompense and even go so far as to allow smartassed random posters to avail themselves of the platform to expound their unaltered and unedited views.

Amen. Outstanding reply. I thank God for people who share my same outrage at how some criminals seem to endlessly get away with duping thousands and thousands of innocent trusting people, who are only trying to earn a little extra for their families. It is truly refreshing to find people who are doing something more than just complaining. I apologize if my satire may offend some, I am just trying to spread some humor in to a bad situation. May God bless you all!

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 09:01 PM
Bill,

Why are you here? You've degraded this thread into mindless, sometimes-obscene waffle.

Can you not give your opinion without insulting at least one person?

If you want to disagree on the point I've made feel free to contact me at any of the mediums listed in my signature.

Jason

I am sorry if i have offended you with my attempt to add a little humor to a bad situation. Unless I am being misconstrued, the only insults I am hurling are to some really nasty scumbag criminals.

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 09:09 PM
Wasn't there an issue with a non-legitimate VAT number for these clowns? That was never asked of 'terry'.

Q: Who do you think got Terry wired up enough to hang himself over at Finch's" A. Bill Lucas, AKA sixsigmamb I'm here folks and I am trolling for a scumbag!

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 09:11 PM
What is a VAT number?

Beacon
01-25-2013, 09:15 PM
I am sorry if i have offended you with my attempt to add a little humor to a bad situation. Unless I am being misconstrued, the only insults I am hurling are to some really nasty scumbag criminals.

Well them..... and the transvestites as well.
By the way Im not out to offend criminals . I dont think miost people here are. We are out to attempt to find or bring about some justice and fair play. Being offensive isnt necessary to that end. We arent the sort who turn up to public executions and shout "Burn in Hell" at those about to die.

Beacon
01-25-2013, 09:15 PM
I am sorry if i have offended you with my attempt to add a little humor to a bad situation. Unless I am being misconstrued, the only insults I am hurling are to some really nasty scumbag criminals.

Well them..... and the transvestites as well.
By the way Im not out to offend criminals . I dont think miost people here are. We are out to attempt to find or bring about some justice and fair play. Being offensive isnt necessary to that end. We arent the sort who turn up to public executions and shout "Burn in Hell" at those about to die.

Beacon
01-25-2013, 09:22 PM
What is a VAT number?

Originally introduced in the 1960 as "turnover Tax" Value Added Tax" is harmonised ( with some notable exceptions e.g. on childrens milk, shoes, theater tickets etc.) in the EU through various treaties at between 15 and 20% in all states. It is a tax on sales. A business charges uit and returns it to the state. To do so every business having a turnover in excess of about 25,000 has to register for VAT and get a VAT number for that business. They can then claim VAT back on some business expences.

This week a man in Ireland was freed after a criminal conviction for not paying VAT on imported Garlic from China. He got six years. Meanwhile an old man who pleaded guilty on 16 counts of child abuse of his daughter ( yet it was admitted it was a daily occurance for years from seven years of age to mid teens) got let out on bail and only after an appeal got three years to serve. Similarly manglaughter gets about six years which is rated the same as not paying VAT? the mind boggles! But Banners Broker people in Ireland beware. You may be in for hefty sentences.

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 09:23 PM
Well them..... and the transvestites as well.
By the way Im not out to offend criminals . I dont think miost people here are. We are out to attempt to find or bring about some justice and fair play. Being offensive isnt necessary to that end. We arent the sort who turn up to public executions and shout "Burn in Hell" at those about to die.

I agree with most of what you have said and laud you for your high morals and decency. However, it is my belief and experience, that creating a ruckus will often bring these offenders out in to the open. I never mean to offend decent hard working people.

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 09:23 PM
Well them..... and the transvestites as well.
By the way Im not out to offend criminals . I dont think miost people here are. We are out to attempt to find or bring about some justice and fair play. Being offensive isnt necessary to that end. We arent the sort who turn up to public executions and shout "Burn in Hell" at those about to die.

I agree with most of what you have said and laud you for your high morals and decency. However, it is my belief and experience, that creating a ruckus will often bring these offenders out in to the open. I never mean to offend decent hard working people.

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 09:33 PM
Originally introduced in the 1960 as "turnover Tax" Value Added Tax" is harmonised ( with some notable exceptions e.g. on childrens milk, shoes, theater tickets etc.) in the EU through various treaties at between 15 and 20% in all states. It is a tax on sales. A business charges uit and returns it to the state. To do so every business having a turnover in excess of about 25,000 has to register for VAT and get a VAT number for that business.

I have done a lot of asset search queries on Bannersbroker aka Stellar Point. The companies (I use that word loosely) are almost completely void of records of their filing necessary documentation, ie., DBA, Fed Tax ID, etc. I recently found the incorporation doc's for Stellar Point, yet nothing about either company would suggest a business that claims to generate enough revenue to pay over $100,000,000 to its affiliates. Dunn and Bradstreet doesn't even recognize them as any kind of legitimate business. Equifax is void of any useful information. I mean who do these clowns trade with? Where do they bank? The names that they do use appear to be ghosts in records other than what the internet reveals about them. And if all that doesn't get your head spinning, what kind of maniacs would ever attempt to run a Ponzi scheme in 110 countries simultaneously?

baylee
01-25-2013, 10:11 PM
I know and understand what sixsigma is and am wondering why you chose that name? I went to that class also before I retired. Just curious?

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 10:26 PM
Yeah, ASD, Zeek, etc. It's still amazes me that they swallow the 'delayed payment' excuses but don't question the fact that their money can be taken immediately.



I guess whoever (sorry, can't remember your name here) was being stopped by this dopey survey can get right in to their account now?

Whip, the greatest misinformation source these scams use is keeping you trying to look at it as a business, verses a group of people who are getting better and better each time. There is no doubt that the upper layers of these things, are a fairly large group who are making a fortune together. When you think you found something they missed, 99% of the time it was left to send you on wild goose chases. People like Terry Stern don't have a clue about much of anything, but gladly take money sent to them to act as conscientious employees playing at just trying to do the right thing. Sitting back and watching the interactions of people like Terry Stern conversing with people who are desperate for any kind of reassurance they will not lose what they got in to the BB scam, makes me want to cry out, "are you really that stupid to believe this person is going to tell you anything remotely true?" The real sad part is that most of the people in the scam, knew what they are doing is wrong. If you set yourself up for loss, you will most likely end up with loss you set yourself up for. How can you cry about that?

Whip
01-25-2013, 10:35 PM
Whip, the greatest misinformation source these scams use is keeping you trying to look at it as a business, verses a group of people who are getting better and better each time. There is no doubt that the upper layers of these things, are a fairly large group who are making a fortune together. When you think you found something they missed, 99% of the time it was left to send you on wild goose chases. People like Terry Stern don't have a clue about much of anything, but gladly take money sent to them to act as conscientious employees playing at just trying to do the right thing. Sitting back and watching the interactions of people like Terry Stern conversing with people who are desperate for any kind of reassurance they will not lose what they got in to the BB scam, makes me want to cry out, "are you really that stupid to believe this person is going to tell you anything remotely true?" The real sad part is that most of the people in the scam, knew what they are doing is wrong. If you set yourself up for loss, you will most likely end up with loss you set yourself up for. How can you cry about that?

You're preachin' to the choir but there are still those that this is their first rodeo and don't know better. That's why I throw those type questions out there. In case they actually decide to go looking.

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 10:43 PM
Any predictions when the Bannersbroker ponzi will come screeching to a halt?

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 10:45 PM
Reminds me of AdSurf Dailys' Andy Bowdoin.

For years members didn't notice the street address given for ASD was actually incorrect and 2 digits out.

A fact the Secret Service highlighted in it's prosecution.

This despite the fact the building had been visited, photographed and researched a squillion times.

As has been said before countless times,

anyone who believes ANYTHING coming out of a HYIP ponzi is asking for trouble.

I agree entirely and would like to add that, 'anyone who believes anything going in to a HYIP Ponzi is asking for trouble!'

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 10:48 PM
You're preachin' top the choir but there are still those that this is their first rodeo and don't know better. That's why I throw those type questions out there. In case they actually decide to go looking.

I can respect that!

baylee
01-25-2013, 10:49 PM
Six sigma was introduced into (my) nuclear world just before I retired. It is a way of doing business, so I will just sit back and watch for now.

littleroundman
01-25-2013, 10:58 PM
Any predictions when the Bannersbroker ponzi will come screeching to a halt?

Not from me or REALSCAM.com

(http://www.realscam.com)Other posters may be of a different opinion, but, I've been around long enough to knowsuch predictions can play right into the hands of HYIP ponzi operators.

The fraudsters may well be on the verge of disappearing, but can use predictions to drag in a whole heap of new money.

All they have to say is something along the lines of "see, the naysayers and haterz are wrong, we're here for the long haul" and members will fall over themselves to send more money

It's a sad fact that most of the targets of these things aren't looking for "facts" proving the HYIP is NOT legitimate.

They are looking to validate their belief the are going to be rich.

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 11:02 PM
Six sigma was introduced into (my) nuclear world just before I retired. It is a way of doing business, so I will just sit back and watch for now.


If you want a real eye opener, run a financial Montecarlo simulation on Bannersbroker. One thing for sure, the membership numbers and total affiliate payouts they claim are statistically impossible. But what would you expect from a HYIP ponzi?

Gregg
01-25-2013, 11:05 PM
ATTENTION!!!!!

Jan 25, 2013 5:30PST, subject Terry Stern seen leaving Stellar Point HQ Canada driving a 1972 Ford Pinto, pink, personal lic plate 'DICKHEAD'. Vehicle has big bumper sticker on the rear bumper that says, 'Honk if you are gay too'.

**** If you see this individual, please tell him that his daddy says, just because he takes it up the anus 24/7 is no reason for him to try to put a dick up all of ours!

Thank you for your cooperation and or help!

Ya know, when you start posting like you're a 14 year old boy who just discovered the internet, you hardly bring credit to the purpose of this board. How about you grow up?

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 11:07 PM
Not from me or REALSCAM.com

(http://www.realscam.com)Other posters may be of a different opinion, but, I've been around long enough to knowsuch predictions can play right into the hands of HYIP ponzi operators.

The fraudsters may well be on the verge of disappearing, but can use predictions to drag in a whole heap of new money.

All they have to say is something along the lines of "see, the naysayers and haterz are wrong, we're here for the long haul" and members will fall over themselves to send more money

It's a sad fact that most of the targets of these things aren't looking for "facts" proving the HYIP is NOT legitimate.

They are looking to validate their belief the are going to be rich.

Please excuse my ignorance to HYIP ponzi blogging etiquette. I am still learning. I apologize for asking such a question. I have no financial interest in this matter. I am simply trying to learn enough to help a couple of Christian brothers bail out of a bad situation and hopefully identify the people who involved them with it. Doing so, just lit a fire in me because I cannot believe that a ponzi of the BB magnitude could have existed this long.

sixsigmamb
01-25-2013, 11:12 PM
Ya know, when you start posting like you're a 14 year old boy who just discovered the internet, you hardly bring credit to the purpose of this board. How about you grow up?

Personally, i thought it was pretty funny. Found it elsewhere. I will refrain in the future of sharing different humor I have found relevant to BB on blogs such as this. Please forgive me bad taste and an attempt to share what I think is humor with others here.

EagleOne
01-25-2013, 11:28 PM
It makes no difference as to the name of the Ponzi, but they all have these things in common that people have to accept:

Absurd Premise # 1:

You somehow have been lucky enough to find this life-changing opportunity. A millionaire, or the head of a multi-million dollar company that no-one has heard of before, on the internet is going to let you, an anonymous web surfer, share in his investment/company riches just because you happened to stumble across his website or referred by a friend/family member. In addition he is benevolent, magnanimous in wanting to share his profits with you. He just wants to give the "little guy" a chance at the brass ring because the rich for too long have kept all the wealth to themselves.

Absurd Premise # 2:

He is a genius with a secret way of earning incredible rates of interest, or has a secret formula for a new way of doing business that no-one else has discovered.

Absurd Premise #3:

This individual has nothing better to do than personally manage this give-a-way scheme for you. This infinitely wealthy and caring world traveler is going to manage every bookkeeping detail and file himself (with or without a paid staff, depending on which story you last read), and has unlimited time to sign checks and file papers too.

What level of need, greed, desperation, wishful thinking, naiveté or gullibility is necessary to enable someone to forsake every last shred of human logic and common sense in order to delude themselves into buying into these fairy tales?

Those who are: desperate and will try anything, those who trust their friends, neighbors or family members they know what they are doing, and of course the financial forums where all the "I got paid," "This is the most honest admin ever," "This is a Godly man running this program," "This is an admin that cares about the little guy," "This is a program that will change your life," and of course "do not believe any of the naysayers/trolls because they are jealous, afraid to take risks, and can't think out of the box.

littleroundman
01-25-2013, 11:36 PM
Please excuse my ignorance to HYIP ponzi blogging etiquette.

My answer wasn't in any way a reflection on your question or your "newbieness"

It was a statement of fact based on many years of observing the HYIP ponzi "industry" and aimed as much at the many new posters brought here by the Banners Broker fiasco as to you personally.

There is no such thing as a "standard" member of any HYIP ponzi.

Within HYIPs, especially the "next big thing" Zeek Rewards, Banners Broker, AdSurf Daily type HYIP, there exist different types of personalities.

Broadly, there are:

* Those behind the fraud. Rarely, if ever, seen and definitely anonymous.

* The "public faces" of the HYIP

* Insiders.

* professional enablers (the Ken Russo, Faith Sloane, Strosdegoz type leeches of the HYIP scene)

* Shills and pimps

* "Playas" who are semi insiders and know EXACTLY what they're doing.

* "Players" who know full well what is going on and "play" the HYIP ponzi as a sort of "game"

* Fools who think they know what they're doing and think they can beat the syastem

* True believers

Using a "one size fits all" strategy when discussing HYIP ponzi fraud is doomed to failure.

"Facts" to one HYIPer is meaningless gibberish to another, "trying to keep the little guy down" to a third and a jealous competitor to another.

Brenda
01-26-2013, 12:33 AM
Personally, i thought it was pretty funny. Found it elsewhere. I will refrain in the future of sharing different humor I have found relevant to BB on blogs such as this. Please forgive me bad taste and an attempt to share what I think is humor with others here.

personally am a bit disappointed reading back tonight. When I first came across this forum and this thread, from very early on, I developed huge respect for those posting here, felt it had a heart in the right place together with compassion and intelligence and knowledge. I found this forum while doing my due diligence and it convinced me that my initial thoughts, if it sounds too good etc, were correct.

I like to 'lighten the mood' myself from time to time but try to maintain the dignity of the thread at the same time. If I had chosen tonight to do my DD , well , who knows?

Anyway if you are the same Bill Lucas from Finch, why such a change of posting style from there to here? Why did you appear so complementary of Stern's employment history yesterday and so different today? Either he was a professional known to you previously or he is all we all know him for, linkedin/facebook and an average history of employment, one month at SP?

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 12:36 AM
It makes no difference as to the name of the Ponzi, but they all have these things in common that people have to accept:

Absurd Premise # 1:

You somehow have been lucky enough to find this life-changing opportunity. A millionaire, or the head of a multi-million dollar company that no-one has heard of before, on the internet is going to let you, an anonymous web surfer, share in his investment/company riches just because you happened to stumble across his website or referred by a friend/family member. In addition he is benevolent, magnanimous in wanting to share his profits with you. He just wants to give the "little guy" a chance at the brass ring because the rich for too long have kept all the wealth to themselves.

Absurd Premise # 2:

He is a genius with a secret way of earning incredible rates of interest, or has a secret formula for a new way of doing business that no-one else has discovered.

Absurd Premise #3:

This individual has nothing better to do than personally manage this give-a-way scheme for you. This infinitely wealthy and caring world traveler is going to manage every bookkeeping detail and file himself (with or without a paid staff, depending on which story you last read), and has unlimited time to sign checks and file papers too.

What level of need, greed, desperation, wishful thinking, naiveté or gullibility is necessary to enable someone to forsake every last shred of human logic and common sense in order to delude themselves into buying into these fairy tales?

Those who are: desperate and will try anything, those who trust their friends, neighbors or family members they know what they are doing, and of course the financial forums where all the "I got paid," "This is the most honest admin ever," "This is a Godly man running this program," "This is an admin that cares about the little guy," "This is a program that will change your life," and of course "do not believe any of the naysayers/trolls because they are jealous, afraid to take risks, and can't think out of the box.

You bring up a lot of great and intelligent points, but I would like to add a couple for you to consider:

1. The majority of people who buy in to these scams do so with the intent to earn a lot of tax free money and seem to care very little that they are committing a crime. When they discover that the criminals they knowingly involved themselves with were not honest in their promises, the moaning and complaining begin. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for these people. I hold them as much accountable to the losses of the innocents as the ones who got the whole thing going.

2. There are innocent victims of these scams. The economy has been worse on some than others. These people are desperately trying to feed their families. Many of them are in danger of losing their homes, cars, etc. Even though they know the claims of riches are probably a pipe dream, sometimes a pipe dream is better than no dream at all. People with their backup against the wall are prime targets for ponzi schemes. These are the people that really cause me to feel anger towards the scumbags who took them. They are also almost always the predominant percentage who end up losing their money in these types of scams.

What I will never understand is how something like this could go on for over two years right in front of the authorities noses. Is something like this that darn difficult to shut down? Or is it that the authorities just don't think it merits their attention?

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 12:53 AM
personally am a bit disappointed reading back tonight. When I first came across this forum and this thread, from very early on, I developed huge respect for those posting here, felt it had a heart in the right place together with compassion and intelligence and knowledge. I found this forum while doing my due diligence and it convinced me that my initial thoughts, if it sounds too good etc, were correct.

I like to 'lighten the mood' myself from time to time but try to maintain the dignity of the thread at the same time. If I had chosen tonight to do my DD , well , who knows?

Anyway if you are the same Bill Lucas from Finch, why such a change of posting style from there to here? Why did you appear so complementary of Stern's employment history yesterday and so different today? Either he was a professional known to you previously or he is all we all know him for, linkedin/facebook and an average history of employment, one month at SP?

Brenda, your questions are reasonable and I would like to explain something to you. I do not give any credence to the Linkedin profile of Terry Stern. i truly believe that it was planted back when this whole thing started to later give validation that he is who he says he is. I did not want to post that one the Finch blog, because at that time I felt it may prevent him from coming back out publicly. At this point, after he roasted his own posterior by continuing discussions with affiliates who promulgated their continued affiliate involvement with a ponzi scheme, I find it very hard to believe he has not been told to cease all posting. If am incorrect about my assumptions as to if he is in fact Terry Stone, I will say this for him. Several years ago he never gave me any reason to doubt his integrity when I had some indirect dealings with him at Global Wealth. That said, several years gives a person a whole lot of time to let the bad in them take root. Sorry, for any confusion.

Brenda
01-26-2013, 01:00 AM
Brenda, your questions are reasonable and I would like to explain something to you. I do not give any credence to the Linkedin profile of Terry Stern. i truly believe that it was planted back when this whole thing started to later give validation that he is who he says he is. I did not want to post that one the Finch blog, because at that time I felt it may prevent him from coming back out publicly. At this point, after he roasted his own posterior by continuing discussions with affiliates who promulgated their continued affiliate involvement with a ponzi scheme, I find it very hard to believe he has not been told to cease all posting. If am incorrect about my assumptions as to if he is in fact Terry Stone, I will say this for him. Several years ago he never gave me any reason to doubt his integrity when I had some indirect dealings with him at Global Wealth. That said, several years gives a person a whole lot of time to let the bad in them take root. Sorry, for any confusion.

Global Wealth is another issue, if you knew Terry, then you must have known Hooker. I've done my DD on GWT and wouldn't touch them with a barge pole either. To me, only difference between them and BB is a tangible product. Only problem is that said product doesn't stand up to scrutiny. 19 and 21 carot, thrown out of St Maartens, never mind all the other stuff out there? Did you purchase from them or sell for them?

Why do I feel my chain being yanked here? Terry Stone?? Several years? You have no way of knowing from his pic, what he really looked like if it was staged, how therefore can you know if you have dealt with him in the past?

littleroundman
01-26-2013, 01:16 AM
Is something like this that darn difficult to shut down? Or is it that the authorities just don't think it merits their attention?

Who are "they" and where are "they" ??

One of the things HYIP ponzi players and victims learn very quickly is that very few of them are U.S. based and the people behind many/most of them are simply mouthpieces.

It is no accident, for example, that Canada is chosen by so many participants in the HYIP ponzi fraud scene.

It has been a constant source of irritation that the "enabler" payment processors without which the HYIP ponzi industry could not exist are based in Canada.

The same Canada which is notoriously slow and/or reluctant to move against the HYIP industry, the same Canada chosen by Banners Broker as its' "base" and the same Canada which allowed notorious HYIP ponzi operator "Nick Smirnow" of Pathway to Prosperity infamy to escape to the Philippines despite being warned countless times of his/its existence.

Coincidence ????

I think not.

It is generally accepted an in depth investigation of a US based HYIP ponzi fraud takes in the vicinity of 24 months from inception to emergency civil action being begun.

Add in another 24 months for criminal prosecution to begin, and it's not hard to see why "smart" HYIP ponzi operators base themselves AND their bank accounts "overseas" and why Banners Brokers' "details" are constantly changing.

The agencies responsible for investigating and prosecuting fraud were decimated when the US changed it's focus to its' "war on terrorism" and stripped the agencies of resources, including staff, another answer to your question.

EagleOne
01-26-2013, 01:17 AM
You bring up a lot of great and intelligent points, but I would like to add a couple for you to consider:

1. The majority of people who buy in to these scams do so with the intent to earn a lot of tax free money and seem to care very little that they are committing a crime. When they discover that the criminals they knowingly involved themselves with were not honest in their promises, the moaning and complaining begin. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for these people. I hold them as much accountable to the losses of the innocents as the ones who got the whole thing going.

2. There are innocent victims of these scams. The economy has been worse on some than others. These people are desperately trying to feed their families. Many of them are in danger of losing their homes, cars, etc. Even though they know the claims of riches are probably a pipe dream, sometimes a pipe dream is better than no dream at all. People with their backup against the wall are prime targets for ponzi schemes. These are the people that really cause me to feel anger towards the scumbags who took them. They are also almost always the predominant percentage who end up losing their money in these types of scams.

What I will never understand is how something like this could go on for over two years right in front of the authorities noses. Is something like this that darn difficult to shut down? Or is it that the authorities just don't think it merits their attention?

As for how long it takes for the authorities to take action, you have to understand that right now on the Interent there are probably close to 10,000 of these Ponzi's. The SEC has to have victims before they can act. They are reactive, as are most law enforcement agencies. They have limited staff, limited resources, and have not had a working budget in over 4 years, thank you US Senate. The only US agencies that do not have to have victims is the Secret Service and the US Postal Inspectors Office. They can take action if they believe there is money laundering or bank/wire fraud.

Then you have to take in consideration where the Ponzi is operating from. BB is operating out of Canada despite their claim to be a Belize, Isle of Mann or wherever they decide to locate their registration for the company. It is up to the Canadian authorities to take action, just as it is the UK, Ireland, India, or wherever BB has offices. Now since they have US citizens involved, the US authorities do have jurisdiction, but ask yourself why would the US spend their resources on solving Canada's, the UK, Ireland, India's, etc problem when they have thousands of these Ponzi's they have to deal with themselves? Toss in all the other white collar crimes, and law enforcement agencies all over the world are totally outmanned and out-spent by the Ponzi operators. These Ponzi operators know they can act almost with impunity due to the magnitude of the sheer number of them operating and all the other crimes these agencies have to deal with. This is not TV where everything is solved in 60 minutes. It was one of the reasons why I formed Eagle Research Associates to aid law enforcement agencies all over the world with their investigations using our research abilities.

Another problem you have to deal with in Canada is that each Provence has its own securities regulators. If there are no victims in the Provence where the company is located, Toronto in the case of BB, the authorities there cannot take any action. There is no Government agency like the SEC in Canada. Canada is also known for taking forever to shut down these Ponzi's, even after being warned repeatedly about them operating under their noses. Think of Pigeon King International, which still has not been fully prosecuted, or IFFL. It took us 2.5 years to get Warren English and his crew stopped from Canada.

I know because we have been working with federal law enforcement agencies for over 4 years, as well as all the agencies in Canada, the UK, Germany, Australia, Malaysia, the Scandanavian countries, New Zealand, Philippines, and Indonesia.

I have only touched the surface of all the reasons why law enforcement takes so long to stop these Ponzi's. You have to understand that the veteran posters here have all been following and exposing these Ponzi's, their pimps, shills, players, admins, mods and warning the newbies for more than 10 years. We have seen it all, and then some. We do know what we are talking about because we have been there from almost the beginning.

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 01:45 AM
Global Wealth is another issue, if you knew Terry, then you must have known Hooker. I've done my DD on GWT and wouldn't touch them with a barge pole either. To me, only difference between them and BB is a tangible product. Only problem is that said product doesn't stand up to scrutiny. 19 and 21 carot, thrown out of St Maartens, never mind all the other stuff out there? Did you purchase from them or sell for them?

Why do I feel my chain being yanked here? Terry Stone?? Several years? You have no way of knowing from his pic, what he really looked like if it was staged, how therefore can you know if you have dealt with him in the past?

Excuse me for the typo 'stone', it is Stern. As for your opinions of GWT, I think your due diligence is a little off. Take a look at the BBB for GWT. The pic of TS on linkedin has nothing to do with my associating him with GWT. I don't really feel like i owe you any explanation of about how I put the info from linkedin with the person I knew of over at GWT. In fact, other than a few conversations over the phone years ago, I never had any contact with him. If the linkedin is a dupe, they know a lot a things about him. Particularly the fact that he is a Mason. Finally, I don't know why you seem to be suspicious about me and or my motivations, but frankly, I am not very concerned about what you may think of me. If you knew me, you would know that I am not playing games. I tell everyone the same thing, take what you want and discard what you feel is garbage. Don't matter to me. I want to first learn all that I can and then hopefully be of some help. This whole thing is really inspired me to make a difference. Regardless of what you think, I don't like seeing good people get burned.

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 01:56 AM
As for how long it takes for the authorities to take action, you have to understand that right now on the Interent there are probably close to 10,000 of these Ponzi's. The SEC has to have victims before they can act. They are reactive, as are most law enforcement agencies. They have limited staff, limited resources, and have not had a working budget in over 4 years, thank you US Senate. The only US agencies that do not have to have victims is the Secret Service and the US Postal Inspectors Office. They can take action if they believe there is money laundering or bank/wire fraud.

Then you have to take in consideration where the Ponzi is operating from. BB is operating out of Canada despite their claim to be a Belize, Isle of Mann or wherever they decide to locate their registration for the company. It is up to the Canadian authorities to take action, just as it is the UK, Ireland, India, or wherever BB has offices. Now since they have US citizens involved, the US authorities do have jurisdiction, but ask yourself why would the US spend their resources on solving Canada's, the UK, Ireland, India's, etc problem when they have thousands of these Ponzi's they have to deal with themselves? Toss in all the other white collar crimes, and law enforcement agencies all over the world are totally outmanned and out-spent by the Ponzi operators. These Ponzi operators know they can act almost with impunity due to the magnitude of the sheer number of them operating and all the other crimes these agencies have to deal with. This is not TV where everything is solved in 60 minutes. It was one of the reasons why I formed Eagle Research Associates to aid law enforcement agencies all over the world with their investigations using our research abilities.

Another problem you have to deal with in Canada is that each Provence has its own securities regulators. If there are no victims in the Provence where the company is located, Toronto in the case of BB, the authorities there cannot take any action. There is no Government agency like the SEC in Canada. Canada is also known for taking forever to shut down these Ponzi's, even after being warned repeatedly about them operating under their noses. Think of Pigeon King International, which still has not been fully prosecuted, or IFFL. It took us 2.5 years to get Warren English and his crew stopped from Canada.

I know because we have been working with federal law enforcement agencies for over 4 years, as well as all the agencies in Canada, the UK, Germany, Australia, Malaysia, the Scandanavian countries, New Zealand, Philippines, and Indonesia.

I have only touched the surface of all the reasons why law enforcement takes so long to stop these Ponzi's. You have to understand that the veteran posters here have all been following and exposing these Ponzi's, their pimps, shills, players, admins, mods and warning the newbies for more than 10 years. We have seen it all, and then some. We do know what we are talking about because we have been there from almost the beginning.

i am impressed with what you have to say, however if in fact there are over 10,000 of these scams running (have not ran in to any others) I would have a hard time believing that any of them are even close to the magnitude of what BB is doing. Also, from what I understand ponzi schemes are usually limited to a few countries and that it would be suicide to take one world wide. Yet, BB is claiming they are operating in 110 countries. Even if that was a BS claim, the claim itself would seem to red flag numerous world wide enforcement agencies. I know I am like a blind bat nipping around at all of this, but I have quite a bit of international business law experience and though I have never been in the enforcement end of it, I definitely spent some time in the prosecution end of it. I have seen other ponzi's but nothing like what BB is pulling off. The shear confusion of the screaming red flags on both sides of the coin, really perplex me. There is no way any reasonable person could believe that BB is a legitimate business, but on the other side of the coin, there are some massive red flags that would make anyone wonder what they are missing.

StevenHoward
01-26-2013, 02:03 AM
What is a VAT number?

Most companies in the UK have to charge VAT on items they sell (turnover has to be above a certain level).

The VAT number is their registration number.

The government then scam, whoops sorry charge an extra 20% on just about everything.

There's some items free of VAT and in some cases it's a lower % (5 i think).

It used to be 17.5%, then dropped to 15% for a year to encourage people to spend during the start of the recession, went back to original level of 17.5%, THEN, went up to 20%.


That's good old VAT.

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 02:04 AM
Who are "they" and where are "they" ??

One of the things HYIP ponzi players and victims learn very quickly is that very few of them are U.S. based and the people behind many/most of them are simply mouthpieces.

It is no accident, for example, that Canada is chosen by so many participants in the HYIP ponzi fraud scene.

It has been a constant source of irritation that the "enabler" payment processors without which the HYIP ponzi industry could not exist are based in Canada.

The same Canada which is notoriously slow and/or reluctant to move against the HYIP industry, the same Canada chosen by Banners Broker as its' "base" and the same Canada which allowed notorious HYIP ponzi operator "Nick Smirnow" of Pathway to Prosperity infamy to escape to the Philippines despite being warned countless times of his/its existence.

Coincidence ????

I think not.

It is generally accepted an in depth investigation of a US based HYIP ponzi fraud takes in the vicinity of 24 months from inception to emergency civil action being begun.

Add in another 24 months for criminal prosecution to begin, and it's not hard to see why "smart" HYIP ponzi operators base themselves AND their bank accounts "overseas" and why Banners Brokers' "details" are constantly changing.

The agencies responsible for investigating and prosecuting fraud were decimated when the US changed it's focus to its' "war on terrorism" and stripped the agencies of resources, including staff, another answer to your question.

I guess my perception of Canada is off based. I have always equated Canada as a low crime country where most people don't lock their doors and that violence and or criminal activities were found out quick and harshly punished. Just out of curiosity, why not just contact Godaddy and point out the fact that they are hosting a full blown ponzi. I would think Godaddy would be pissed about them using their servers to facilitate a ponzi scam.

littleroundman
01-26-2013, 02:15 AM
I have seen other ponzi's but nothing like what BB is pulling off.

With the greatest respect, six, but, you have GOT to be joking.

Banners Broker is only one of a large number of HYIP ponzis on the 'net at the minute.

We're within 6 months of the US based Zeek Rewards being closed down, with over 1 MILLION members and with over $600,000,000 involved THAT IS KNOWN ABOUT SO FAR.

Go to the Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/) or the MoneyMaker Group HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/forums.html)

There are literally thousands of HYIP ponzis listed there, and hundreds of thousands of dead HYIPs.

That's TWO forums on an internet with thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of similar forums and blogs.

One hesitates to be flippant to a new member, but, for goodness' sakes, man, wake up and smell the coffee.

This is not simply a group of "good ol' boys" having a little gamble we're talking about.

This is a multi BILLION dollar "industry" with turnover far exceeding that of many third world countries.

All of it unregulated, untaxed and operating with apparent impunity.

ANYONE who imagines for one minute organized crime and/or terrorist organizations aren't skimming off millions is, IM(very)HO, in a state of complete and total denial.

littleroundman
01-26-2013, 02:19 AM
why not just contact Godaddy and point out the fact that they are hosting a full blown ponzi. I would think Godaddy would be pissed about them using their servers to facilitate a ponzi scam.

snort, guffaw, chortle, LOL, choke.

Spend a few days contacting every single US based webhosting service hosting a HYIP, provide them with the WHOIS info then report back and tell us how many responded, much less acted.

Don't use your real name, though, a great many of them will actually reveal it to their "client"

Poyol
01-26-2013, 05:17 AM
I guess my perception of Canada is off based. I have always equated Canada as a low crime country where most people don't lock their doors and that violence and or criminal activities were found out quick and harshly punished. Just out of curiosity, why not just contact Godaddy and point out the fact that they are hosting a full blown ponzi. I would think Godaddy would be pissed about them using their servers to facilitate a ponzi scam.

GoDaddy are the registrars, not the hosts. Serverloft.de host them - abuse didn't reply

noname999
01-26-2013, 05:48 AM
Sigma, you have verbal diarrhoea. I have just wasted time trying to read back over 4 pages and you have not added one valuable comment.

You have already wrecked one blog(finchsells) please refrain from doing the same here. If you truly are on the anti BB side, which I very much doubt, please start providing something constructive. You are actually turning people off reading. This is quite obviously your aim. Also, going by the amount of posts, I'm guessing that you are employed to post this drivel.

If I am wrong, I apologise, but for God's sake reduce the posting. Make it a rule of thumb to post 1/50 of what you are thinking...

Jerrygo
01-26-2013, 06:28 AM
Sigma, you have verbal diarrhoea. I have just wasted time trying to read back over 4 pages and you have not added one valuable comment.

You have already wrecked one blog(finchsells) please refrain from doing the same here. If you truly are on the anti BB side, which I very much doubt, please start providing something constructive. You are actually turning people off reading. This is quite obviously your aim. Also, going by the amount of posts, I'm guessing that you are employed to post this drivel.

If I am wrong, I apologise, but for God's sake reduce the posting. Make it a rule of thumb to post 1/50 of what you are thinking...

I dont think you have anything to apologise for there Noname. You are spot on. Sixsigma deliberately cluttered up the Finch thread with reams and reams of rubbish, red herrings, and plain lies. Just cluttering and ruining the blog. The supposed visit to stellar point was quickly exposed as a lie. what amazes me is the barefaced way he promised to upload a video of the visit within 48 hours. When his lawyers had cleared it. We are still waiting for it.
Reminds me of Max and his team of lawyers.

StevenHoward
01-26-2013, 06:34 AM
i have been a Six Sigma professional for approximately 24 years now. Originally trained by Gembutsu and later in transactional Six Sigma through PWC. I am ASQ certified and a member of International Society of Six Sigma Professionals, currently ranked number 2 in the world. Interesting to note, I kind of first picked it up as a hobby just after graduation from law school.

This needs to be said, you're full of crap.

Six sigma is supposed to be a measure of quality close to perfection, your posts have been full of mistakes and untruths, quite the opposite to what you've shown yourself capable of.

Law school eh ?.

noname999
01-26-2013, 06:42 AM
Don't let him draw you off topic.

Finix
01-26-2013, 08:44 AM
Any predictions when the Bannersbroker ponzi will come screeching to a halt?
When the admins decide they've put enough effort for the money or when it gets shuts down.

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 10:10 AM
Sigma, you have verbal diarrhoea. I have just wasted time trying to read back over 4 pages and you have not added one valuable comment.

You have already wrecked one blog(finchsells) please refrain from doing the same here. If you truly are on the anti BB side, which I very much doubt, please start providing something constructive. You are actually turning people off reading. This is quite obviously your aim. Also, going by the amount of posts, I'm guessing that you are employed to post this drivel.

If I am wrong, I apologise, but for God's sake reduce the posting. Make it a rule of thumb to post 1/50 of what you are thinking...

You certainly have your right to your opinion and I can honestly say that I thank you for giving it. That said, anyone who has read my comments should have enough common sense to see that what you call verbal diarrhea, made TS come running. Regardless, if you had read the same I continually left messages for Finch to feel free to delete whatever he wanted of mine off the post and even went so far as to offer him my assistance in instructing him how to do so. Your accusations about wrecking one blog, what my aim is and not having said anything constructive, is the real verbal diarrhea here. Many things I have posted have generated replies that have educated me and I am sure many others. God bless you!

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 10:14 AM
Don't let him draw you off topic.

I just spent the last three hours reading every post I could find of yours and frankly sir, when you are living in glass house maybe you should not be pitching stones. Just a friendly suggestion.

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 10:19 AM
This needs to be said, you're full of crap.

Six sigma is supposed to be a measure of quality close to perfection, your posts have been full of mistakes and untruths, quite the opposite to what you've shown yourself capable of.

Law school eh ?.

if you are going to define what Six Sigma is, please give a correct definition of it. In addition, if your going to excuse me of posting 'untruths' please provide factual proof (not opinions) of one single untruth I have promulgated here and or Finch Sells. I don't want to create an argument sir, but if your going to condemn me, please bring real evidence against me.

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 10:31 AM
I dont think you have anything to apologise for there Noname. You are spot on. Sixsigma deliberately cluttered up the Finch thread with reams and reams of rubbish, red herrings, and plain lies. Just cluttering and ruining the blog. The supposed visit to stellar point was quickly exposed as a lie. what amazes me is the barefaced way he promised to upload a video of the visit within 48 hours. When his lawyers had cleared it. We are still waiting for it.
Reminds me of Max and his team of lawyers.

@ Jerry. Please provide factual proof of, 'The supposed visit to stellar point was quickly exposed as a lie.' Unless I missed something over there, all I heard was opinions and that of Terry denying it. Additionally, when you say 'we' are still waiting for it, who is we and exactly how did you get assumption that after I was slammed for sharing information from others that I would have any motivation and or obligation to share with them where the people who are credited with video stated they will post it. I like to remind you that I simply passed on what was told to me and repeatedly have told everyone at Finch that to realize that the information came second hand and that I NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE VISITED BB IN CANADA. In fact, I repeatedly denied the same. Please get your fact straight because you are outright embellishing what I actually did post, omitting information from other posts that definitely give your assumptions / opinions no credibility and finally, it is not nice to accuse someone of lying in less you have something more than your opinion to go by.

Theseus
01-26-2013, 10:32 AM
You certainly have your right to your opinion and I can honestly say that I thank you for giving it. That said, anyone who has read my comments should have enough common sense to see that what you call verbal diarrhea, made TS come running.

In that case you've either discovered time travel or were posting under another name, as Terry Stern's first appearance on Finchsells was on January 14, 2013 at 11:10 am,and your first post, as "Bill Lucas" January 21, 2013 at 2:45 pm......

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 10:33 AM
GoDaddy are the registrars, not the hosts. Serverloft.de host them - abuse didn't reply

The domain servers I found a week ago, pointed at Godaddy.

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 10:37 AM
In that case you've either discovered time travel or were posting under another name, as Terry Stern's first appearance on Finchsells was on January 14, 2013 at 11:10 am,and your first post, as "Bill Lucas" January 21, 2013 at 2:45 pm......

This is the info I am relying on:

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (Domain Names | The World's Largest Domain Name Registrar - GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com))
Domain Name: BANNERSBROKER.COM
Created on: 15-Oct-10
Expires on: 15-Oct-17
Last Updated on: 13-Sep-12

Registrant:
Banner Broker
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States

Administrative Contact:
Broker, Banner domainservice80@gmail.com
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
(661) 770-9988 Fax -- (661) 770-9988

Technical Contact:
Broker, Banner domainservice80@gmail.com
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
(661) 770-9988 Fax -- (661) 770-9988

Domain servers in listed order:
NS19.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS20.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

littleroundman
01-26-2013, 10:40 AM
bannersbroker.com

199.189.84.20
usloft3147.serverloft.com

Banner Broker
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
Administrative Contact:
Broker, Banner domainservice80@gmail.com
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
(661) 770-9988 Fax --

Broker, Banner domainservice80@gmail.com
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
(661) 770-9988 Fax -- (661) 770-9988

Broker, Banner domainservice80@gmail.com
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
(661) 770-9988 Fax -- (661) 770-9988

NS19.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS20.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

Google Page Rank : 2
Alexa Traffic Rank : 560

Created: 15-Oct-10
Updated: 13-Sep-12
Expires: 15-Oct-17
Source: whois.godaddy.com

Theseus
01-26-2013, 10:45 AM
This is the info I am relying on:

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (Domain Names | The World's Largest Domain Name Registrar - GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com))
Domain Name: BANNERSBROKER.COM
Created on: 15-Oct-10
Expires on: 15-Oct-17
Last Updated on: 13-Sep-12

Registrant:
Banner Broker
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States

Administrative Contact:
Broker, Banner domainservice80@gmail.com
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
(661) 770-9988 Fax -- (661) 770-9988

Technical Contact:
Broker, Banner domainservice80@gmail.com
777 N. Rainbow Blvd.
Suite 250
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
(661) 770-9988 Fax -- (661) 770-9988

Domain servers in listed order:
NS19.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS20.DOMAINCONTROL.COM


What's that got to do with anything? My point was nothing to do with the whois for the bb website.


The more you post the more I'm convinced you're just here to cause disruption, the way you tried on Finchsells.....

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 10:54 AM
In that case you've either discovered time travel or were posting under another name, as Terry Stern's first appearance on Finchsells was on January 14, 2013 at 11:10 am,and your first post, as "Bill Lucas" January 21, 2013 at 2:45 pm......

You have brought up a great point but omitted some very important ones:

1. The TS that was suppose to have showed up on 1-14 was supposedly been fired by C. Smith for saying to much. The one that came along on the 22nd made numerous statements that would indicate he was not the same guy. This lead to Finch demanding that he write him in private from his BB email. According to Finch, TS did so.

2. Review of the new posts by TS on the Finch Blog clearly will reveal that over 70% of his comments were directed at (@ Bill Lucas).

3. It does not take a rocket scientist to see by reviewing the posts over at the Finch blog from 1/21 that said the screen name 'Bill Lucas' created a ruckus that resulted in a guy claiming to be TS who had been silent for some time showing up on the 22nd, blazing away at the 'Bill Lucas' screen name.

4. Finally and unrelated, but I feel it needs to be said. The Finch site coincidently went quiet after the majority of the people who were posting there made posts that their BB cards had been credited up to 2,500 dollars. It is also important to consider that the majority of the posts were from affiliates moaning about delayed payments and were basically telling the world, I am going to tell on BB because I have not received my money.

Sir, if your going to fling mud please at least get your story straight.

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 11:00 AM
What's that got to do with anything? My point was nothing to do with the whois for the bb website.


The more you post the more I'm convinced you're just here to cause disruption, the way you tried on Finchsells.....

And my point was to back up where i got the idea that Bannerbroker is hosted by Godaddy. As for your other comments, I have heard nothing but your opinions and nothing factual to support it.

littleroundman
01-26-2013, 11:13 AM
enough
..................

Theseus
01-26-2013, 11:13 AM
You have brought up a great point but omitted some very important ones:

1. The TS that was suppose to have showed up on 1-14 was supposedly been fired by C. Smith for saying to much. The one that came along on the 22nd made numerous statements that would indicate he was not the same guy. This lead to Finch demanding that he write him in private from his BB email. According to Finch, TS did so.

2. Review of the new posts by TS on the Finch Blog clearly will reveal that over 70% of his comments were directed at (@ Bill Lucas).

3. It does not take a rocket scientist to see by reviewing the posts over at the Finch blog from 1/21 that said the screen name 'Bill Lucas' created a ruckus that resulted in a guy claiming to be TS who had been silent for some time showing up on the 22nd, blazing away at the 'Bill Lucas' screen name.

4. Finally and unrelated, but I feel it needs to be said. The Finch site coincidently went quiet after the majority of the people who were posting there made posts that their BB cards had been credited up to 2,500 dollars. It is also important to consider that the majority of the posts were from affiliates moaning about delayed payments and were basically telling the world, I am going to tell on BB because I have not received my money.

Sir, if your going to fling mud please at least get your story straight.

"Created a ruckus", that's a good description of what you did there and what you're doing here. Your main claim to fame seems to be the visit your associates allegedly made to Carlow Ct, care to share your "evidence" (some pics would be nice) to back it up?

As things stand your posting style bears all the hallmarks of a BB-shill in the best Roger Stockburger mould, making lots of grandiose claims but actually posting reams and reams of nothing.

Prove me wrong and post something, anything new that adds value to the conversation.

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 11:23 AM
For anyone who claims that I am just trying to cause disruptions and have added nothing of value. Hours and hours of my typing away, resulted in a FACT, not an opinion, that a person claiming to be Terry Smith ended up proving that he at least could send emails from a Bannersbroker email address clearly his.

Anther said FACT that exists, is that said TS publicly conversed back and forth with affiliates who clearly stated they knew they were involved in the BB ponzi, the only legal and ethical response TS could of made at that point, 'i must insist that if your purposes to continue to be an affiliate of BB are of criminal intent, I must insist you terminate your affiliation with BB immediately', were never made. Conversations concerning these same affiliates over due withdraw requests being paid soon, by both the said affiliates and TS continued from their public declarations they were knowingly still affiliated with what they had no doubt was a ponzi scheme.

If the aforementioned facts that came to light as a results of my efforts cannot be considered 'adding value, than can you please inform me of what strict standards you are trying to hold me to? I understand that there are many people here who have contributed quite a bit more, but for a newbie I think I did pretty good. Also, why crucify someone who is at least doing something more than moaning and complaining for trying to make a difference, even if you don't agree with my methods? I am not asking for payment for what I have tried to do to help. If you feel that I am not doing it right, why not give me counsel instead of slinging mud at me, when it should be obvious that I am just trying to help.

Finally, unless I missed something, both this blog and the Finch Blog are public forums. I have read nothing from either of them that would indicate that there is some kind of limit to how many posts you can post.

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 11:38 AM
"Created a ruckus", that's a good description of what you did there and what you're doing here. Your main claim to fame seems to be the visit your associates allegedly made to Carlow Ct, care to share your "evidence" (some pics would be nice) to back it up?

As things stand your posting style bears all the hallmarks of a BB-shill in the best Roger Stockburger mould, making lots of grandiose claims but actually posting reams and reams of nothing.

Prove me wrong and post something, anything new that adds value to the conversation.

"Your main claim to fame seems to be the visit your associates allegedly made to Carlow Ct," ?????? How you wrongly came to the assumption that my main claim to fame has anything to do with the passing of that secondhand information, is beyond any logical and or factual reasoning that I can come up with. Anyone who has read my posts here and at the Finch blog, will know that if I am claiming any fame whatsoever, it is my continued statements that it was my ruckus that obviously brought out TS to positively identify that he was working at BB and that the same later resulted in his legally roasting his own posterior. Unfortunately, you are like many who have publicly criticized me. You read what you want, omit the rest, pass judgement than finish up with leaving no doubt of your own character, by flinging antagonistic and rude insults at someone else.

Alkibone
01-26-2013, 12:03 PM
Sixsigmamb, it may be a public forum but you're SERIOUSLY PISSING PEOPLE OFF, me included, by posting reams of crap and cluttering up this forum. PLEASE LEAVE and DON'T COME BACK. Please.

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 12:06 PM
"Created a ruckus", that's a good description of what you did there and what you're doing here. Your main claim to fame seems to be the visit your associates allegedly made to Carlow Ct, care to share your "evidence" (some pics would be nice) to back it up?

As things stand your posting style bears all the hallmarks of a BB-shill in the best Roger Stockburger mould, making lots of grandiose claims but actually posting reams and reams of nothing.

Prove me wrong and post something, anything new that adds value to the conversation.

In regards to my posting styles bearing the hallmarks of a BB-shill, I would like to state that my posting reams and reams of nothing as you call it, resulted in unethical responses from a person representing himself as a Director of Public relations for Stellar Point, leaving no doubt that at least one of their upper management possesses the professional skills and education of a guy who works in a brothel. Call me stupid, but I think that his comments made a strong case that BB does not have any real management in place. Definitely, not the class of management you would expect from a legitimate company claiming to produce revenues in the hundreds of millions.

In conclusion, if I got something out of it and the blog publisher did not see fit to boot me, who the he.. are you to complain about what another man sees fit to allow on his blog?

Theseus
01-26-2013, 12:09 PM
"Your main claim to fame seems to be the visit your associates allegedly made to Carlow Ct," ?????? How you wrongly came to the assumption that my main claim to fame has anything to do with the passing of that secondhand information, is beyond any logical and or factual reasoning that I can come up with. Anyone who has read my posts here and at the Finch blog, will know that if I am claiming any fame whatsoever, it is my continued statements that it was my ruckus that obviously brought out TS to positively identify that he was working at BB and that the same later resulted in his legally roasting his own posterior. Unfortunately, you are like many who have publicly criticized me. You read what you want, omit the rest, pass judgement than finish up with leaving no doubt of your own character, by flinging antagonistic and rude insults at someone else.

Hmm, isn't that the self-same accusation that Terry Stern made?


Anyway, let's forget all about that, you said over on Finchsells

2896

I couldn't find the proof posted there though, any chance you could upload it here? That would add positively to the thread. :RpS_smile:

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 12:10 PM
Sixsigmamb, it may be a public forum but you're SERIOUSLY PISSING PEOPLE OFF, me included, by posting reams of crap and cluttering up this forum. PLEASE LEAVE and DON'T COME BACK. Please.

That is not your choice and on a personal note, why not keep using the original screen name you started hurling insults at me with instead of one of your many others? Additionally, if you are so narrow minded that what someone you do not even know, who is not slinging insults at you directly, pisses you off because you don't agree with what they post, I would highly suggest you find some good psychiatric counseling; at the least, grow up!

Finix
01-26-2013, 12:20 PM
I don't get it. What's so special about this run-of-the-mill piece of sh!t program that it has more posts on the obscure consumer advocate site than on a HYIP forum?

StevenHoward
01-26-2013, 12:20 PM
sixsig, lets show you up for the liar you are.

On January 22, 2013 at 2:30 pm, you stated the following


"THE IDIOTS CLAIMING TO BE BANNERSBROKER OFFICERS / EMPLOYEES ARE LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH. I AM SORRY I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT, I CAN ONLY TELL YOU THAT I KNOW IT FOR A FACT THAT CHRIS AND TERRY ARE USING THE SAME COMPUTER OUT OF THE SAME HOUSE AND THAT NO ONE WHO LIVES IN SAID HOME IS IS RECORDED HAS HAVING EITHER OF THOSE NAMES."


What an absolute load of utter crap.

1) To track either of these people you would have to have their IP addresses, unless you're Finch, you don't have them.

2) To categorically state that they were using the same computer, you would have to know the MAC address of the network card in the machine, please tell us what that is, then tell us how you know it. (For people not clued up on computer hardware, a MAC address is unique to each network adapter and is burnt into the network card when it is first made).

3) Pray tell me how you know the address, let alone the name of the people at that address? to gain such information you would have to go through the ISP, who would first demand a court order. Please tell me how you obtained that court order.

4) You and another user suddenly made an appearance a few days ago (on finchsells), I thought straight away that it was the same person talking to himself.

5) Are you Terry Stern ?

It's quite obvious to any seasoned net user that you're just telling lie after lie after lie and filling up this with garbage.

I would not normally ask this, but Admins, please ban this guy and delete any future posts he makes.

In the meantime, I'm just going to ignore him, if we all do that he will eventually get bored and go away (unless by some miracle, a new user registers and converses with him).

Brenda
01-26-2013, 12:24 PM
Is this what BB meant when they said ' we are going to attack them on the forums/ dealing with the forums' ( not verbatim, but you get the gist)?

Let's face it, next week will be interesting when TS comes back to Martin with the additonal info or not, requested by Martin

Poyol
01-26-2013, 12:24 PM
I second the banning of his IP and handle. I cannot stick him.

Theseus
01-26-2013, 12:27 PM
I second the banning of his IP and handle. I cannot stick him.


I'd like to see the evidence he claims to have from his "associates" visit to Carlow Ct, that could be interesting...

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 12:34 PM
Hmm, isn't that the self-same accusation that Terry Stern made?


Anyway, let's forget all about that, you said over on Finchsells

2896

I couldn't find the proof posted there though, any chance you could upload it here? That would add positively to the thread. :RpS_smile:

Thank you for your suggestion, however your suggestion requests that I should consider posting electronic communications between myself and others, that would clearly serve no purpose whatsoever, because it would only lead to people making further insults and allegations, then demanding validation information, that would reveal origin IP's, email addresses and other highly confidential information. I am sorry, but it is my not intention of help the scammers nor cause a major nightmare for myself and the people who were nice enough to share some very good information with me.

I thank you for sharing a copy of the post. Please note that there is nothing in its content that states that I intended to publicly post said communications. The user asked if I had proof of the 'associates' visit, and I responded by stating that I can prove without a doubt they had visited the offices at the Stellar Point address which was provided by TS. I encourage you to read everything that was written back and forth, prior to making any assumptions and so that you will be informed of the whole picture. You cannot take one post and omit the others. You have only revealed part of a communication. Thank you.

Joe_Shmoe
01-26-2013, 12:44 PM
I'd like to see the evidence he claims to have from his "associates" visit to Carlow Ct, that could be interesting...

Either his next post is that evidence or he goes on my ignore list. :RpS_smile:

StevenHoward
01-26-2013, 12:47 PM
If he's not employed by BB, he damn well ought to be.:scared_1:

Theseus
01-26-2013, 12:57 PM
Thank you for your suggestion, however your suggestion requests that I should consider posting electronic communications between myself and others, that would clearly serve no purpose whatsoever, because it would only lead to people making further insults and allegations, then demanding validation information, that would reveal origin IP's, email addresses and other highly confidential information. I am sorry, but it is my not intention of help the scammers nor cause a major nightmare for myself and the people who were nice enough to share some very good information with me.

I thank you for sharing a copy of the post. Please note that there is nothing in its content that states that I intended to publicly post said communications. The user asked if I had proof of the 'associates' visit, and I responded by stating that I can prove without a doubt they had visited the offices at the Stellar Point address which was provided by TS. I encourage you to read everything that was written back and forth, prior to making any assumptions and so that you will be informed of the whole picture. You cannot take one post and omit the others. You have only revealed part of a communication. Thank you.

What utter tripe, you're seriously saying that yes, you can prove it, but no, you're not going to? Is your next reply going to be along the lines of

2897




because if it is I'll be adding you to my ignore list too.

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 12:59 PM
sixsig, lets show you up for the liar you are.

On January 22, 2013 at 2:30 pm, you stated the following


"THE IDIOTS CLAIMING TO BE BANNERSBROKER OFFICERS / EMPLOYEES ARE LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH. I AM SORRY I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT, I CAN ONLY TELL YOU THAT I KNOW IT FOR A FACT THAT CHRIS AND TERRY ARE USING THE SAME COMPUTER OUT OF THE SAME HOUSE AND THAT NO ONE WHO LIVES IN SAID HOME IS IS RECORDED HAS HAVING EITHER OF THOSE NAMES."


What an absolute load of utter crap.

1) To track either of these people you would have to have their IP addresses, unless you're Finch, you don't have them.

2) To categorically state that they were using the same computer, you would have to know the MAC address of the network card in the machine, please tell us what that is, then tell us how you know it. (For people not clued up on computer hardware, a MAC address is unique to each network adapter and is burnt into the network card when it is first made).

3) Pray tell me how you know the address, let alone the name of the people at that address? to gain such information you would have to go through the ISP, who would first demand a court order. Please tell me how you obtained that court order.

4) You and another user suddenly made an appearance a few days ago (on finchsells), I thought straight away that it was the same person talking to himself.

5) Are you Terry Stern ?

It's quite obvious to any seasoned net user that you're just telling lie after lie after lie and filling up this with garbage.

I would not normally ask this, but Admins, please ban this guy and delete any future posts he makes.

In the meantime, I'm just going to ignore him, if we all do that he will eventually get bored and go away (unless by some miracle, a new user registers and converses with him).

Just about every piece of information you provided would be true if your relying on your beliefs to disapprove the 'aforementioned' statement, with the limited information you are using to base your opinion. You wrongly state that I would have to possess their IP and MAC address to have positive proof. If in fact, I was claiming to have that kind of proof, you would be right. Everything you have stated makes sense if you base your claim that the facts that were mentioned can be proven by electronic means. In addition, you are implying by insults that you would hope that if in fact i had been engaged in some illegal hacking, that your insults would result in my publicly admitting to it.

In conclusion, you have taken a statement, added your wrong assumption of how the writer of the post could possibly know those things, disapproved that by your explanation the writer / poster could not possibly be telling the truth, and omitted other reasonable explanations how the statement could absolutely be true. Case in point, hypothetically, if the writer had been personally present when this person was posting those remarks under both names, then the statement would be true. Additionally, hypothetically again, if the person who did it had provided the writer (referring to the post you have furnished) with absolute proof he did it, the statement would be true as well. My point here is your assuming how the writer knows the information is true, but you have no information as to how the writer knows that information. Also, you have no clue as to what the writers intent was for posting that information. Additionally, you are condemning me for the writer sharing what the writer believes was absolute proof, having never asked the writer to explain what the writer believed and constitutes as absolute proof the statement is correct. And just for good measure, you have provided no proof here that I am the one who wrote it. Finally, I am not Terry Stern. Please continue to ignore me. I am convinced that you are a moron. I support that allegation with the fact that any one with more intelligence than a common jackass, having read the volumes of what was posted over at the Finch blog and the times posted, could clearly believe that the person posting this reply had the time to write all of them.

Joe_Shmoe
01-26-2013, 01:00 PM
I Wanna word with you Theseus! :RpS_smile:

http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/28b8902d139c7d5765c47ad1137c88a8?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a 11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G Theseus says:
January 24, 2013 at 1:31 pm (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/comment-page-3/#comment-76282)
Bill, your posts look as if they might be worth reading, any chance in condensing them to say 20,000 words each? Seriously, I’m sure you could say all you have to say in a fraction of what you post, and then perhaps most of us wouldn’t skip half of each one and perhaps miss something pertinent.andreasheinz says:
January 24, 2013 at 4:36 amSome say “Thesus” is an alter ego for some notorious terrorists like “Steven Howard”Some say you’re barking up the wrong tree, pop over to realscam.com and meet BOTH of us therehttp://finchsells.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

GRRRRRRRRRR!!!! I bet you wished you hadn't said that! :duh:

Theseus
01-26-2013, 01:05 PM
I Wanna word with you Theseus! :RpS_smile:

http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/28b8902d139c7d5765c47ad1137c88a8?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a 11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G Theseus says:
January 24, 2013 at 1:31 pm (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/comment-page-3/#comment-76282)
Bill, your posts look as if they might be worth reading, any chance in condensing them to say 20,000 words each? Seriously, I’m sure you could say all you have to say in a fraction of what you post, and then perhaps most of us wouldn’t skip half of each one and perhaps miss something pertinent.andreasheinz says:
January 24, 2013 at 4:36 amSome say “Thesus” is an alter ego for some notorious terrorists like “Steven Howard”Some say you’re barking up the wrong tree, pop over to realscam.com and meet BOTH of us therehttp://finchsells.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

GRRRRRRRRRR!!!! I bet you wished you hadn't said that! :duh:


Mea culpa :duh:

Although to be fair I wasn't addressing "Bill Lucas" with that comment.

noname999
01-26-2013, 01:08 PM
Bad reflection on this site that some of scumbag sigma's comments have been allowed to remain.

Joe_Shmoe
01-26-2013, 01:12 PM
Done it he's on my ignore list.

Pheeew! that's better. :RpS_sleep:

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 01:18 PM
Sixsigmamb, it may be a public forum but you're SERIOUSLY PISSING PEOPLE OFF, me included, by posting reams of crap and cluttering up this forum. PLEASE LEAVE and DON'T COME BACK. Please.

Okay since I am obviously in your estimation obligated to obey your commands Mr. Hitler, I will no longer post here on this blog. How dare I believe that I should have the same privileges anyone else here does from Realscam, to post whatever is on my mind so long as i am in compliance with the terms of their user agreement. I will bow down your commands and ignore the fact that i have every legal and moral right to tell you what you can do with your commands, only obeying those of the actual administrator and or those of the administration of Realscam. All I can do is laugh at the narrow mindedness I am being subjected to and the obvious ignorance of the same. Best regards everyone!

StevenHoward
01-26-2013, 01:21 PM
I Wanna word with you Theseus! :RpS_smile:

http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/28b8902d139c7d5765c47ad1137c88a8?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a 11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G Theseus says:
January 24, 2013 at 1:31 pm (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/comment-page-3/#comment-76282)
Bill, your posts look as if they might be worth reading, any chance in condensing them to say 20,000 words each? Seriously, I’m sure you could say all you have to say in a fraction of what you post, and then perhaps most of us wouldn’t skip half of each one and perhaps miss something pertinent.andreasheinz says:
January 24, 2013 at 4:36 amSome say “Thesus” is an alter ego for some notorious terrorists like “Steven Howard”Some say you’re barking up the wrong tree, pop over to realscam.com and meet BOTH of us therehttp://finchsells.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

GRRRRRRRRRR!!!! I bet you wished you hadn't said that! :duh:

Ha ha ha.

It gets better and better with him, he doesn't have the IP address, but he might have been present when "Terry Stern" & "Chris Smith" posted, or they might have told him.

I fear Brenda was right, this is BB's way of wrecking Finch and realscams credibility.

The other possibility is that he has serious mental health issues.

Finix
01-26-2013, 01:22 PM
Oh, you are continuing the fight that started on some obscure blog. Never mind, carry on. *backing out of the thread*

StevenHoward
01-26-2013, 01:26 PM
Okay since I am obviously in your estimation obligated to obey your commands Mr. Hitler, I will no longer post here on this blog. How dare I believe that I should have the same privileges anyone else here does from Realscam, to post whatever is on my mind so long as i am in compliance with the terms of their user agreement. I will bow down your commands and ignore the fact that i have every legal and moral right to tell you what you can do with your commands, only obeying those of the actual administrator and or those of the administration of Realscam. Best regards everyone!

WOOOOHOOOOOO.

Did we hit the nail on the head?, will he return with a different username?

I'll be watching for you Bill (or Terry or whoever you really are).

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 01:28 PM
WOOOOHOOOOOO.

Did we hit the nail on the head?, will he return with a different username?

I'll be watching for you Bill (or Terry or whoever you really are).

I know I have really lost it now, because somehow I am getting a real perverse pleasure out of what you just said. Steve you really need to remove your head from your anus, find some kind of life and please go back to school. For some real fun, how about posting some of the conversations you had with BL over at the Finch blog. What really gets me off, is that i could be a ten year old sitting around with a bunch of friends all with a bug up our anuses for BB and some of the affiliates who joined that scam knowing what it is. My point STEVE, is that who the heck knows who the heck is on the other side of a computer. If I was to make an assumption about you, I would assume that your some transvestite just hanging around trying to find some attention. I don't make those assumptions, because I have absolutely no clue who 99% of the people here actually are. The 1% personally I do know, I have no way of knowing if it is actually them posting what I am reading. Geeze, anyone can proxy off someone elses IP. Computers can be highjacked. As I said, I am out of here. The few here who appear to be outstanding people with good intentions are far outweighed by far too many idiots that conduct themselves like you.

PS. Please don't call me Terry Stern. Just call me Sir, as you are not fit to bow down and lick the dirt off my feet.

AshKen1
01-26-2013, 01:30 PM
Oh, that's what that button does. You live and learn. *starts fiddling with other settings*

:RpS_smile:

Grandão
01-26-2013, 01:39 PM
Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition in which people have an inflated sense of self-importance and an extreme preoccupation with themselves. A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:

• React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation (check)
• Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals (check)
• Have excessive feelings of self-importance (double-check)
• Exaggerate achievements and talents (check)
• Be preoccupied with fantasies of success (check)
• Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment (still doubting)
• Need constant attention and admiration (triple-check)
• Disregard the feelings of others (check)
• Have obsessive self-interest (triple-check)
• Pursue mainly selfish goals (check)

Bill Lucas, congratulations, you're scoring a big fat 9 out of 10 :-)
Do us all a favour and go find yourself a decent psychoanalist...

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 01:45 PM
Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition in which people have an inflated sense of self-importance and an extreme preoccupation with themselves. A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:

• React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation (check)
• Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals (check)
• Have excessive feelings of self-importance (double-check)
• Exaggerate achievements and talents (check)
• Be preoccupied with fantasies of success (check)
• Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment (still doubting)
• Need constant attention and admiration (triple-check)
• Disregard the feelings of others (check)
• Have obsessive self-interest (triple-check)
• Pursue mainly selfish goals (check)

Bill Lucas, congratulations, you're scoring a big fat 9 out of 10 :-)
Do us all a favour and go find yourself a decent psychoanalist...

Okay, but after I get that help, is it okay for me to come back here with dozens of other users names to slam you? It's only fair, as I have learned that scumbag trick from you. Steve, I am awaiting your prompt reply?

Whip
01-26-2013, 02:05 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/busy-1.gif

Soapboxmom
01-26-2013, 02:08 PM
Okay, but after I get that help, is it okay for me to come back here with dozens of other users names to slam you? It's only fair, as I have learned that scumbag trick from you. Steve, I am awaiting your prompt reply?
If you can stay on the topic of Banners Broker, refrain from racist remarks and actually contribute some meaningful material to this thread you are welcome to stay. Otherwise, your posts can go to the Rants section or I will if necessary escort you to the door.

Thanks,

Soapboxmom

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 02:42 PM
If you can stay on the topic of Banners Broker, refrain from racist remarks and actually contribute some meaningful material to this thread you are welcome to stay. Otherwise, your posts can go to the Rants section or I will if necessary escort you to the door.

Thanks,

Soapboxmom

If your going to pretend to be a Christian than edify God, not Satan.

Mr. Money
01-26-2013, 09:28 PM
My 2 cents. I aint heard of anyone lost money with the Banners deal. Chris Smith aint hiding. Calling his biz a jack move aint right lest you lost your play. Chris got his pic up for all to see. Got a gripe, he aint hard to find. You got a beef, dont be a coward hiding behind that screen. Put yo real name up here and be an adult. Chris got the balls to stand tall. He aint talking about you. If you got something on yo mind, stand up tall and be counted. Aint trying to disrespect, but posting trash against a man aint right if you too scared to tell the man who you be. Let da man do his business. It up to the five-o to say he aint right, not a bunch of cowards talking trash about a legit biz.

noname999
01-26-2013, 10:06 PM
Another idiot. Joy. Admins really need to sort this out. Otherwise it will end up like finchsells blog.

littleroundman
01-26-2013, 10:08 PM
Hiya, Mr Money, and welcome to REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com)

I hope you were holding your hands just right when you typed that.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/gangsta.jpg

Theseus
01-26-2013, 10:16 PM
The Banna Broka Rap...




My 2 cents.
I aint heard of anyone lost money with the Banners deal.
Chris Smith aint hiding.
Calling his biz a jack move aint right lest you lost your play.
Chris got his pic up for all to see.
Got a gripe, he aint hard to find.
You got a beef, dont be a coward hiding behind
that screen. Put yo real name up here and be an adult.
Chris got the balls to stand tall.
He aint talking about you.

(chorus) Banna, banna, banna,banna he da banna man


If you got something on yo mind, stand up tall and be counted.
Aint trying to disrespect,
but posting trash against a man aint right
if you too scared to tell the man who you be.
Let da man do his business.
It up to the five-o to say he aint right,
not a bunch of cowards
talking trash about a legit biz.

baylee
01-26-2013, 10:33 PM
LOL, They are coming out from the woodwork now. I must say that's appropriate.

Mr. Money
01-26-2013, 10:49 PM
I dont play the racial chit. Ya all talked some real garb earlier about stayin on the topic & droppin off the racist remarks. if ya all got something to say about the brothers, send me a line in private. Lets keep it real here. Aint seein Banners payin ya no mind here. Might be if ya all get off the coward keyboard kungfu and say something worth hearing chris might want 2 come and set yo minds right. Peace all.

noname999
01-26-2013, 10:51 PM
Please go away pest.

Soapboxmom
01-26-2013, 11:03 PM
LOL, They are coming out from the woodwork now. I must say that's appropriate.
Anything to change the subject and make it difficult for folks to find the meat of the thread, right scammers? I would be pleased to take care of our expert in the Southern Hick dialect if required.

littleroundman
01-26-2013, 11:07 PM
Maybe it's time for me to speak 'strine and really confuse the gangsta.

littleroundman
01-26-2013, 11:19 PM
Being just a poor, uneducated colonial as I am, could one of our American cousins help me out and tell me whether 'Mr Money" was pretending to talk "gangsta" or "street" or "African American" or some other regional dialect.

Perhaps someone could also point me to whichever TV program features people speaking in the dialect.

Apparently I'm going to be reported to something called the "NAACP" so any help would be appreciated.





OUCH !!!!

My tongue has somehow got firmly embedded in my cheek.

Whip
01-26-2013, 11:38 PM
I'm not going to repeat it here, but Bill/Terry or whoever he is, has lost it on Finch's blog, he's asked me to carry out a sexual act on him.

I've not arranged to meet up.

Might want to forward it to lutarian.

Whip
01-26-2013, 11:40 PM
My 2 cents. I aint heard of anyone lost money with the Banners deal. Chris Smith aint hiding. Calling his biz a jack move aint right lest you lost your play. Chris got his pic up for all to see. Got a gripe, he aint hard to find. You got a beef, dont be a coward hiding behind that screen. Put yo real name up here and be an adult. Chris got the balls to stand tall. He aint talking about you. If you got something on yo mind, stand up tall and be counted. Aint trying to disrespect, but posting trash against a man aint right if you too scared to tell the man who you be. Let da man do his business. It up to the five-o to say he aint right, not a bunch of cowards talking trash about a legit biz.

The white one or the black one?

Whip
01-26-2013, 11:43 PM
Being just a poor, uneducated colonial as I am, could one of our American cousins help me out and tell me whether 'Mr Money" was pretending to talk "gangsta" or "street" or "African American" or some other regional dialect.

Perhaps someone could also point me to whichever TV program features people speaking in the dialect.

Apparently I'm going to be reported to something called the "NAACP" so any help would be appreciated.





OUCH !!!!

My tongue has somehow got firmly embedded in my cheek.

You may only find it on a (c)rap album.

littleroundman
01-26-2013, 11:49 PM
Just for the record:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/RACIST.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/RACISTWHOIS.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/wannabee.jpg

Mr. Money
01-26-2013, 11:54 PM
i like ya version here the real deal

1. Originally Posted by littleroundman
Originally Posted by Mr. Money
Originally Posted by littleroundman
Originally Posted by Mr. Money
Aintl no call for chicken chit Ya got a problem with black folks, keepit to yoself. Got me a mind to send the screen shot to the NAACP, c how that be
How the f*** would I know you're black, white or brindle.

I'm an Australian.

Keep your reverse racist crap over there, thank you very much.
knew ya was a coward mate post a black gansta pic & aint man enough to own up to it ya got a problem with me or the brothers ya come out from behind that cracker keyboard and i'll help ya get yo heart right

be4 ya go off on me like ya did that bloke earlier better think twice about it or all the brothers will be here to get al you hearts right knock all dat cracker chit off you the mod here aint no reason to put up with all dat coward keyboard kungfu chit goin on here keep it real peace & love

Go away, you silly nigger

sixsigmamb
01-26-2013, 11:57 PM
i like ya version here the real deal

1. Originally Posted by littleroundman
Originally Posted by Mr. Money
Originally Posted by littleroundman
Originally Posted by Mr. Money
Aintl no call for chicken chit Ya got a problem with black folks, keepit to yoself. Got me a mind to send the screen shot to the NAACP, c how that be
How the f*** would I know you're black, white or brindle.

I'm an Australian.

Keep your reverse racist crap over there, thank you very much.
knew ya was a coward mate post a black gansta pic & aint man enough to own up to it ya got a problem with me or the brothers ya come out from behind that cracker keyboard and i'll help ya get yo heart right

be4 ya go off on me like ya did that bloke earlier better think twice about it or all the brothers will be here to get al you hearts right knock all dat cracker chit off you the mod here aint no reason to put up with all dat coward keyboard kungfu chit goin on here keep it real peace & love

Go away, you silly nigger

Don't bother to play their game Mr. Money. Let's talk Email me at sixsigmabb.asq@gmail.com

littleroundman
01-27-2013, 12:00 AM
i like ya version here the real deal

1. Originally Posted by littleroundman
Originally Posted by Mr. Money
Originally Posted by littleroundman
Originally Posted by Mr. Money
Aintl no call for chicken chit Ya got a problem with black folks, keepit to yoself. Got me a mind to send the screen shot to the NAACP, c how that be
How the f*** would I know you're black, white or brindle.

I'm an Australian.

Keep your reverse racist crap over there, thank you very much.
knew ya was a coward mate post a black gansta pic & aint man enough to own up to it ya got a problem with me or the brothers ya come out from behind that cracker keyboard and i'll help ya get yo heart right

be4 ya go off on me like ya did that bloke earlier better think twice about it or all the brothers will be here to get al you hearts right knock all dat cracker chit off you the mod here aint no reason to put up with all dat coward keyboard kungfu chit goin on here keep it real peace & love

Go away, you silly nigger

Heya Mr. Money,

now you know why I use screenshots.

Perhaps you'd like to show us the screen cap. of where I used the word,

thanks in advance.

littleroundman
01-27-2013, 12:03 AM
I gotta say here,

this would have to be the funniest exchange I've seen on a forum in years.

At least this latest Banners Broker plant isn't as boring as the last couple.

sixsigmamb
01-27-2013, 12:10 AM
I gotta say here,

this would have to be the funniest exchange I've seen on a forum in years.

At least this latest Banners Broker plant isn't as boring as the last couple.

If you call calling someone a 'nigger' funny because he or she didn't post something you all agree with, I think you got a major problem sir. Posting someones IP should bring some attention here. First you attack me, now your attacking some other person. I have read the two posts Mr. Money posted. What he do wrong other than praise BB and suggest that you come out of the closets and let your complaints be known to Chris Smith. For that you post racist pics, insult the guy and then finish it off with calling him a 'silly nigger.'

littleroundman
01-27-2013, 12:11 AM
Complete with timestamp

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8318/21970744.jpg

sixsigmamb
01-27-2013, 12:13 AM
I gotta say here,

this would have to be the funniest exchange I've seen on a forum in years.

At least this latest Banners Broker plant isn't as boring as the last couple.

You people are fricken pathetic. If someone doesn't toe the party line here, you label them a 'Bannersbroker plant.' I guess insulting them with racial pics and calling them niggers isn't good enough. This blog needs to be shut down.

bannersbrokerhelpme
01-27-2013, 12:13 AM
Dam i missed all the action

I liked the rap got me LOL...sometimes i dont even have to type a response..

but on a serious note keep on the subject

many people coming on real scam are worried they have lost money...i know i have been bringing people to show what people are saying about banners broker...until they see that i am not making it up they wont wake up

the other day i logged in at someones house to show someone who has not been paid for this month and he started to read and then started to cry and got very angry...

I know it's a bit of fun but it really does hit home when someone starts to cry and tell you they have lost all their savings. I have asked a few people to make facebook pages highlighting what banners broker are doing...2 groups have been setup and 1 page as fare as i know

the page has attracted a lad from Birmingham asking if you wanted to join banners broker. Again he did not know it was a scam and he will not be paid in a few months

hope everyone understand we write we joke but someone reading is crying...until next time bye

bannersbrokerhelpme
01-27-2013, 12:23 AM
Come on don't be like that

i have not read anyone use the N word to describe black people until you just used it. And you know a picture is just a picture

what you want someone to edit it

littleroundman
01-27-2013, 12:28 AM
If you call calling someone a 'nigger' funny

Actually, Mr Lucas, you have now officially become a trolling pain-in-the-ass.

Show us "proof" that what Mr Money posted was my words and not some poorly executed attempt to cause trouble and maybe you'll gain some credibility.

Here's how it works:


see, I can make you say anything I like

On top of which, your mate didn't even attempt to disguise his handiwork by using a quotebox.

No wonder you fall for HYIPs.

littleroundman
01-27-2013, 12:35 AM
You people are fricken pathetic. If someone doesn't toe the party line here, you label them a 'Bannersbroker plant.' I guess insulting them with racial pics and calling them niggers isn't good enough. This blog needs to be shut down.

Was that a racial pic ???

It sure as hell looked to me like a caricature of someone pretending to be a gangsta.

As far as anyone here calling anyone else a "N word" other than you and Mr Money himself, no one has even used the word, much less used it to describe another poster.

What I find absolutely hilarious is the way "Mr Money" posted his faux objection to being described as a "Gangsta" and then proceeded to act like a "gangster" with fake threats and keyboard bravado.

All the fake sincerity in the world will disguise the fact both "sixsigmamd" and "Mr Money" are nothing but stereotypical HYIP ponzi defenders doing what HYIP ponzi shills and pimps do best.

littleroundman
01-27-2013, 12:49 AM
Dam i missed all the action

I liked the rap got me LOL...sometimes i dont even have to type a response..

but on a serious note keep on the subject

many people coming on real scam are worried they have lost money...i know i have been bringing people to show what people are saying about banners broker...until they see that i am not making it up they wont wake up

the other day i logged in at someones house to show someone who has not been paid for this month and he started to read and then started to cry and got very angry...

I know it's a bit of fun but it really does hit home when someone starts to cry and tell you they have lost all their savings. I have asked a few people to make facebook pages highlighting what banners broker are doing...2 groups have been setup and 1 page as fare as i know

the page has attracted a lad from Birmingham asking if you wanted to join banners broker. Again he did not know it was a scam and he will not be paid in a few months

hope everyone understand we write we joke but someone reading is crying...until next time bye

You're dead right, bannersbrokerhelpme.

Having HYIP ponzi shills and pimps on the forum is the norm in the last days of a dying HYIP ponzi.

Likewise, forums such as REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) attract the sort of argumentative faux anti fraud posters typified by our "sixsigmamb" and "lutarian" friends.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm getting the impression this "argue to the death, never concede you could be wrong, never shut up and fight for the sake of fighting, you started it, all I'm doing is defending my rights" mentality is largely originating in the U.S.

We aren't going to ban anyone for expressing their opinion.

We think it's actually important potential victims see exactly which sort of people support HYIPs and/or other online fraud such as cash gifting and exactly what they can expect if they become involved.

sixsigmamb
01-27-2013, 01:16 AM
Dam i missed all the action

I liked the rap got me LOL...sometimes i dont even have to type a response..

but on a serious note keep on the subject

many people coming on real scam are worried they have lost money...i know i have been bringing people to show what people are saying about banners broker...until they see that i am not making it up they wont wake up

the other day i logged in at someones house to show someone who has not been paid for this month and he started to read and then started to cry and got very angry...

I know it's a bit of fun but it really does hit home when someone starts to cry and tell you they have lost all their savings. I have asked a few people to make facebook pages highlighting what banners broker are doing...2 groups have been setup and 1 page as fare as i know

the page has attracted a lad from Birmingham asking if you wanted to join banners broker. Again he did not know it was a scam and he will not be paid in a few months

hope everyone understand we write we joke but someone reading is crying...until next time bye

i feel compelled to at least speak up for myself, I can't talk for Mr. Money. I came here two days ago to hopefully learn something that might help me to better understand how these scams work. Before I was on here even an hour, someone comes out of the wood work and insults me. Before long, I have five different people accusing me of all kinds of things. Not long after, I got the admins telling me to stay on the topic and cut the racists remarks.

All I did here was respond to what people were directing at me and asked questions of the long timers about how ponzi scams work. All my posts as well as the ones that others wrote can be seen on the previous three pages of this blog. Now i am being accused of being pro-bannersbroker, a plant, a disrupter and who knows what else. Read my posts and then read theirs. They admonished me about keeping to the subject, yet read the things they write. Look at 'littleroundmans' posting of a picture of a black gangster holding a gun in his hand. Read the gangster rap that he said nothing about another user posting. All you have to do is read the post from Mr. Money that set them off. Someone posts something these people don't like and they attack them like a pack of vicious dogs.

As for the 'n' word, look at the post by Mr. Money where he put what I would believe was private chat between him and 'littleroundman' in response to what I believe was 'littleroundman's' posting their private chats for everyone else to see. Where does the admin have the right to post all he did. These are not accusations, simply read the posts. They tell the the whole story. Anyone reading the prior posts here can see that 'littleroundman' and his pack of wolves attacked a person here who was not causing anyone any problems. If you read back two days on this post, you will see they did similar things to me. I have no doubt that if you went back to the day this blog started, you will find more people they did the same to.

You guys need to stop with all the narrow mindedness. Just because not everyone agrees with your viewpoints, don't make them trouble makers, plants and or BB cheerleaders. For the record, I have have always spoken out against BB, so when you accuse me of that anyone who has read my posts can see just how narrow minded you all are. As for my falling for a ponzi scheme 'littleroundman', again your ignorance has betrayed you. I have never put money in to a ponzi scheme. I have no account with BB. Get your facts straight.

StevenHoward
01-27-2013, 01:27 AM
I dont play the racial chit. Ya all talked some real garb earlier about stayin on the topic & droppin off the racist remarks. if ya all got something to say about the brothers, send me a line in private. Lets keep it real here. Aint seein Banners payin ya no mind here. Might be if ya all get off the coward keyboard kungfu and say something worth hearing chris might want 2 come and set yo minds right. Peace all.


Hello Bill/Terry/Money

littleroundman
01-27-2013, 02:01 AM
HeHeHe,

Don't ya just love the poor innocent newbie me act ???

Maybe it's OK in your world Bill/Terry for people to use the PM system to threaten others, who knows ???

Maybe it OK in your world to come on all aggro, who knows ??

Maybe it's OK in your world to pull the old "I'm only defending my rights" B/S on forums instead of shutting your mouth and doing the "learning" you claim to be here for, who knows ??

Maybe it's OK in your world to use the PM system and come out with the most stupid "I'm gonna sue" threats, who knows ??

Maybe it's OK in your world to go uninvited into somebody elses' house and start throwing you weight around, who knows.

(Actually, I DO know. Again with that Ugly American "it's my right" thing)

You're NOT going to sue, Bill.

You may be stupid enough to spend money on a letter from a pet lawyer, but, you sure as hell are NOT going to sue.

Neither is your "mate" Mr Money going to carry out any of his threats.

We may be hoping like h*** either one of you does, but you aren't.

Now, do you have anything to say about the illegal HYIP ponzi fraud known as Banners Broker or the criminals behind it, or, are you just going to carry on carrying on ???

Either way, it's no skin off our collective noses.

Go your hardest.

Grandão
01-27-2013, 03:04 AM
I have no account with BB. Get your facts straight.


My friend actually established an account with Bannersbroker for me in July of 2012. Since I had no money in to it, I allowed him to do his thing with the account. The account summary indicates that his initial investment of 150.00 dollars has grown to an account worth 1,200 dollars.

I waited until my account balance reached 150.00 dollars and put in a withdraw request. They immediately charged me 45.00 dollars to send me a Vector prepaid MC and a 5.00 dollar transaction fee. Three months later, I still have not received a penny from them.


Bill Lucas says @ Finchsells:
January 22, 2013 at 3:20 pm

To andreasheinz:
I am in possession of a BB card as well as numerous friends of mine. Said cards have not been funded in 58 days of waiting to be funded.

sixsigmamb
01-27-2013, 03:05 AM
@ littleroundman

I am really trying to comprehend how you come up with all your outlandish allegations. What really amuses me is the names you call me and the associations you outlandishly claim i allegedly enjoy. in consideration of everything you wrote in your previous post, only one of the things you promulgated was a fact. Adhering to your remark, 'do you have anything to say about the illegal HYIP ponzi fraud known as Banners Broker or the criminals behind it, or, are you just going to carry on carrying on ???' please let me state some facts:

1. Regardless of rather your intent for this blog are honorable verses being paid by Banners Broker to provide this blog for their affiliates to pass information amongst themselves, there is now 306 pages here where BB affiliates repeatedly pass information along to each other. No matter how you want to put a spin on it, this blog is aiding and abetting what you claim to be a ponzi scheme.

2. Even though I laud your trying to expose what you believe is a ponzi scheme, your blog allows the posting of a whole lot of accusations at people, offering little to no proof that supports the accusations. This blog allows the slandering of people under the guise that the publisher(s) of the same are neutral because they post 'Opinions expressed on this website are solely those of their respective authors', taking no responsibility whatsoever to use reasonable moderation to at least attempt to ensure that their blogs don't become a forum for people to use it anonymously to slander others. You are the worst offender of slandering others.

3. From the first day this blog launched you have been anonymously slandering anyone you choose to, yet you have no problem providing all the contact information on the people your slandering that you assume you know. In addition, case in point, you have slandered the names of at least two other people now claiming that what I have posted should be attributed to them, as you feel that I have multiple screen names. I have two screen names and honestly made it known to all when i first started posting here. How did I inherit two more?

4. Sir, you have encouraged me to sue the publisher of this website. I thank you for that encouragement. I look forward to the challenge you are encouraging me to undertake. Regardless of the rubbish you are shoveling to people here about all your good intentions, over 300 pages of posting will show a small group of people who anonymously slander whom ever you decide is worth slandering. Very little of what you promulgate in support of your outlandish allegations has any factual substantiation to support the harmful allegations you post at will. You have encouraged me to take legal action stating that I will only end up learning that you and your merry cohorts can sit here anonymously and wage your war of unfounded, damaging and slanderous remarks at whom ever you choose. On that point, I am just too curious not to find out if you are right. I encourage you to publicly post your real name and location. if you are going to accuse people of horrible things, have the decency to allow the people you are accusing to know who their accuser is. Since you have accused me of so many things, please have the decency to send me an email identifying yourself. If you do not do so, than you will just help me to prove to everyone that you have no decency. That your just a scared little man hiding behind a computer screen taking pot shots at people your too scared to confront openly.

littleroundman
01-27-2013, 03:15 AM
Sir, you have encouraged me to sue the publisher of this website. I thank you for that encouragement. I look forward to the challenge you are encouraging me to undertake. Regardless of the rubbish you are shoveling to people here about all your good intentions, over 300 pages of posting will show a small group of people who anonymously slander whom ever you decide is worth slandering. Very little of what you promulgate as proof has any factual substantiation to support the harmful allegations you post at will. You have encouraged me to take legal action stating that I will only end up learning that you and your merry cohorts can sit here anonymously and wage your war of unfounded, damaging and slanderous remarks at whom ever you choose. On that point, I am just to curious not to find out if you are right.

Good, make sure you spell my name right.

Make sure you have screenshots of all of the "offending" posts, as we have.

Make sure you have a screencap of where I used the "N" word.

Make sure you point out the disclaimer carried on the front page of the site:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/disc.jpg

And, most importantly, make sure you have the testimonies of all the other members who don't think you've been a deliberately obnoxious pr*** since very shortly after you invited YOURSELF here AND on the FinchSells blog.

Take care of those few minor details, you should be good to go.

See you in court.

littleroundman
01-27-2013, 03:18 AM
Oh, and, before I forget,

make sure you have the whole "I'm not a member of an illegal HYIP ponzi fraud and I'm only here in the interests of Truth, Justice and the American way" thing sorted out before you waste your money, will you ??

sixsigmamb
01-27-2013, 03:20 AM
Good, make sure you spell my name right.

Make sure you have screenshots of all of the "offending" posts, as we have.

Make sure you have a screencap of where I used the "N" word.

Make sure you point out the disclaimer carried on the front page of the site:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/disc.jpg

And, most importantly, make sure you have the testimonies of all the other members who don't think you've been a deliberately obnoxious pr*** since very shortly after you invited YOURSELF here AND on the FinchSells blog.

Take care of those few minor details, you should be good to go.

See you in court.

Your inappropriate posting of the black gangster, allegedly using the "n' word and openly harassing another poster, has nothing to do with me. That said, I am replying to you now because I want to make sure that I am not wrongly assuming you are one of the publishers of this website, as you stated "See you in court." I am still waiting on your email or IM as previously requested.

sixsigmamb
01-27-2013, 03:24 AM
Oh, and, before I forget,

make sure you have the whole "I'm not a member of an illegal HYIP ponzi fraud and I'm only here in the interests of Truth, Justice and the American way" thing sorted out before you waste your money, will you ??

Absolutely. That assumption of yours if definitely amusing to me. I do not have an account with any business involved with a ponzi scheme. I am still waiting your email or IM. There is one thing I can prove without a doubt, if BB has ever heard my name, it sure was not in a good light. You are completely off base in your assumption that i am a 'plant' of theirs. In fact I know several people reading this blog who are rolling on the floor laughing at that assumption.

sixsigmamb
01-27-2013, 03:31 AM
And, most importantly, make sure you have the testimonies of all the other members who don't think you've been a deliberately obnoxious pr*** since very shortly after you invited YOURSELF here AND on the FinchSells blog.

You never cease to amuse me. There are over 300 pages here and numerous other websites that show a long association of yours with the small group of your merry cowards that sit here anonymously slandering whom ever they choose. Just a suggestion, maybe you and your group should take this blog private, so that you can all have a good time amusing yourselves because quite frankly after posting my email here earlier, my inbox is full of people who are not very happy with your group of merry idiots.

Grandão
01-27-2013, 03:41 AM
Ok, now that Bill Sigma is boohooing in the corner, prepairing a law suit against the meanies from realscam... what's the news with Banners Broker?

sixsigmamb
01-27-2013, 03:48 AM
attention publishers of realscam.

since your moderator of this blog has repeatedly accused me of being a plant and or disruptor for bannersbroker, i hereby notify you that i am hereby requesting that you close my user account sixsigmamb and that you remove all my posts on your website. If you fail to do so than please be advised that your failure to do so will indicate TO ME that you have no issues with thier content, that you approve of the same, and any liability for the same shall fall on you. I give you my express permission to erase all comments i have made on your website.

i will retain a screen shot of this post so that there will be no issues later that i have not requested the removal of my posts from your website and the closing of my user account. I will not ever post here again under any screen name.

Unknown_S
01-27-2013, 04:02 AM
2. Even though I laud your trying to expose what you believe is a ponzi scheme, your blog allows the posting of a whole lot of accusations at people, offering little to no proof that supports the accusations..

Or you could prove it wrong.

If I asked Yahoo to prove they're not a ponzi, they could do it.
If I asked Google to prove they're not a ponzi, they could do it.
If I asked Facebook to prove they're not a ponzi, they could do it.
If I asked Micr0soft to prove they're not a ponzi, they could do it.
If I asked Banners Broker to prove they're not a ponzi, they can't seem to do it. Why is that?



remove all my posts on your website. If you fail to do so than please be advised that your failure to do so will indicate TO ME that you have no issues with thier content


Nice try with reverse psychology. No one forced you to register and post what you did. Removing your posts? Good luck with that.

Grandão
01-27-2013, 04:11 AM
I do not have an account with any business involved with a ponzi scheme.

Re-read your first post in this thread... Already quoted you some posts ago. As you are also claiming to have a BB-card, you must have an account and your details must be known at BB:

When capturing affiliate ID, we will accept a passport or other government issued photo and the most recent proof of address (eg. Utility bill, bank statement mailed within the last 3 months with the residential address, etc.) . We capture affiliate ID in two locations. When a member initiates a liquidation request and when affiliate requests a Banners Broker prepaid card. (source: BannersBroker (http://bannersbroker.com/main/aml))

NikSam
01-27-2013, 04:40 AM
Damn, why is it going out of the topic? should there be another thread for gangstas, BB provocateurs and other trolls where they can have all the fun and related messages moved there ?
There was no indication of any racism as I can see, gangsta rap is universal, just look who rips all the awards - some white Eminems.
Sorry Mr. Money, crackers stole that too, together with jazz, disco, and pop.

Jerrygo
01-27-2013, 04:53 AM
I can not understand why the mods have allowed this to continue for so long. I am a member in a number of forums, and in all, you can get the normal argy bargy. Sometimes heated discussions. But I dont think the hijacking of a thread by a troll like this would be tolerated in any of them.
Now, the 2 most highly ranked sites in google for BB, here and finches, have been allowed within the space of a few days, to be hijacked spammed and derailed, by a known BB troll. Posting provocatively and insultingly under a number of usernames.
A person doing their due diligence, coming on this site in the last couple of days, would see all this garbage, instead of the normal valuable research. And quickly move on. In this the troll has succeeded.
Since his first post, homophobic, obscene and provocative, untill now this racist stuff, ALL the red flags are there.
Just want to air my protest at the complete lack of action against an obvious (and successful) hijack.

StevenHoward
01-27-2013, 05:31 AM
attention publishers of realscam.

since your moderator of this blog has repeatedly accused me of being a plant and or disruptor for bannersbroker, i hereby notify you that i am hereby requesting that you close my user account sixsigmamb and that you remove all my posts on your website. If you fail to do so than please be advised that your failure to do so will indicate TO ME that you have no issues with thier content, that you approve of the same, and any liability for the same shall fall on you. I give you my express permission to erase all comments i have made on your website.

i will retain a screen shot of this post so that there will be no issues later that i have not requested the removal of my posts from your website and the closing of my user account. I will not ever post here again under any screen name.

Course you will Terry.

Poyol
01-27-2013, 06:13 AM
I'm not anonymous ...

That is all.

littleroundman
01-27-2013, 06:27 AM
I can not understand why the mods have allowed this to continue for so long.

Mainly because I am lazy and can't be bothered creating a new thread and having to manually sort and move the offending posts.

My normal modus operandi in similar situations is to allow said gangstas, BB provocateurs and other trolls to carry on their nonsense until there are sufficient posts to make it worthwhile to spend some of my (unpaid) time doing as I did for previous trolls such as "lutarian" and "MoneyMakingBrain"

I have great confidence a far greater majority of "new" readers are sufficiently intelligent to recognize exactly what the gangstas, BB provocateurs and other trolls are doing.

Again, IM(very)HO, the number of those whose search for answers as to the legitimacy of the Banners Broker fraud has been in any way negatively affected will be minimal.

Oh, and we try very hard to NOT be "just another forum" so, it appears that policy is working well

EagleOne
01-27-2013, 06:34 AM
In regard to why the posts have been allowed to stand (many of them but some were deleted for obscene and racist comments) is that it is not as detrimental to the thread as many of you think. By allowing them to post, they are exposing themsevles and how weak their defense is of this Ponzi. They are their worse enemy. They do far more damage to the cause than many of us posting can do.

When you haver been around as many of these Ponzi's as we (admins & mods) you will realize this. The "other" forums are notorious for banning people they don't like exposing their Ponzi de Jour, and when this happens it is more detrimental to the naysayers/trolls, as we are the ones being banned and lose our voice. It hurts us more than it hurts the exposure of the program. Well, that is what they like to think anyway. That is why they ban us. Here is it just the opposite. They want to be banned so they can run to the other forums and proclaim that we don't allow contrary opinions thus why they were banned. By not banning them, it takes a lot of steam out of their arguments on the "other" forums.

If you really want to get a thorough understanding of this, all you have to do is read the MoneyMakingBrain thread on this forum in the Ranting, Raving and other Ridiculous Diatribes thread. You will soon understand what I am saying.

I understand where several of you are coming from, but we do know what we are doing despite it not seeming that way. Sorry, but many of you are still wet behind the ears, but you are learning. Personally I love it when they start the name-calling, personal attacks, etc, because it means I am doing my job right. If they aren't doing it, then I am doing something terribly wrong.

Not sure if this will change your mind, but there is a method to the madness. If it gets too far out of hand, action is taken and has been in this thread. This is just my position on these posts. You may still disagree and that is your right.

Whip
01-27-2013, 11:59 AM
@sixsigmamb, not liking the cut of your jib

This made me chortle.

Soapboxmom
01-27-2013, 08:17 PM
First this:



If you think you can escort me to the door. When your done, say goodbye yourself because I give you my most sincere promise, not a threat, the legal costs that will come from it levied against Realscam, will be enough for them to boot the idiot who responsible for wiring me up to bring the lawsuits.

Come on big mouth. I am waiting. Make your brownie points at someone else's expense. I was attacked and I responded. Be fair and admonish the others too!
Sorry kiddo, but the owner pays the bills and makes the rules. I try to stay as hands off as possible and allow everyone to express themselves freely, but that thread is generating a ton of complaints. I am the public face of the site and make every effort to handle them fairly.

The racist remarks and derailing of the thread need to stop. You might want to read more on the board and educate yourself. The lawsuit threats are really old news and me being on the run from the Romanian Mafia is beyond hilarious (see the de Rothschild thread). "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." In other words, the site owner is not liable for what others post. Moreover, since this is a federal statute, it preempts any state law to the contrary. So, suing the site will not accomplish anything except creating a ton of publicity for the moron(s) that file.

I have been sued twice and my idiot opponents ended up getting thrown out on their ears. Give the Harvard law site a read:

Darnell v. Dobrott | Citizen Media Law Project (http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/darnell-v-dobrott)



Who wired you up to bring lawsuits, pray tell? I would be happy to straighten them out as well.

Any questions please feel free to let me know.

Thanks,

Heather

I had no idea you were the owner. I am sure what you consider racial remarks, unless the word 'transvestite' could be considered racist. As for bringing a lawsuit and being concerned about being 'thrown out on my ear's', I am kind of proud to state that I have never lost a case yet and I have no doubt that if i turned my attention to this site, I would have people coming out the wood work to offer me all the assistance I need. That said, I must apologize for allowing my emotions to outweigh my common sense and decency. I took the bait and gave everyone what they wanted. For that, I am the idiot. Please be assured that I will refrain from posting anything else in the BB forum. Please also be assured that I have no intention of creating multiple accounts, as we both know that proxies offer all kinds of possibilities. In all sincerity, regardless of what my experience with blogging and or posts may falsely convey, it has never been my intention to cause a disruption in your blog, nor would I ever want to do anything intentionally to help Bannersbroker. I will stand by my post where I stated that I truly believe that there are people posting here that are very good people with very good intentions, however I think there are far more complainers and moaners who outweigh the benefits of the good people.

Finally, I really like what you have done with this website. It is excellently moderated and the content subjects are very interesting. Please keep up the good work and may our lord and savior Jesus Christ continue to bless you.

BL

Then this:


2. Even though I laud your trying to expose what you believe is a ponzi scheme, your blog allows the posting of a whole lot of accusations at people, offering little to no proof that supports the accusations. This blog allows the slandering of people under the guise that the publisher(s) of the same are neutral because they post 'Opinions expressed on this website are solely those of their respective authors', taking no responsibility whatsoever to use reasonable moderation to at least attempt to ensure that their blogs don't become a forum for people to use it anonymously to slander others. You are the worst offender of slandering others.

3. From the first day this blog launched you have been anonymously slandering anyone you choose to, yet you have no problem providing all the contact information on the people your slandering that you assume you know. In addition, case in point, you have slandered the names of at least two other people now claiming that what I have posted should be attributed to them, as you feel that I have multiple screen names. I have two screen names and honestly made it known to all when i first started posting here. How did I inherit two more?

4. Sir, you have encouraged me to sue the publisher of this website. I thank you for that encouragement. I look forward to the challenge you are encouraging me to undertake. Regardless of the rubbish you are shoveling to people here about all your good intentions, over 300 pages of posting will show a small group of people who anonymously slander whom ever you decide is worth slandering. Very little of what you promulgate in support of your outlandish allegations has any factual substantiation to support the harmful allegations you post at will. You have encouraged me to take legal action stating that I will only end up learning that you and your merry cohorts can sit here anonymously and wage your war of unfounded, damaging and slanderous remarks at whom ever you choose. On that point, I am just too curious not to find out if you are right. I encourage you to publicly post your real name and location. if you are going to accuse people of horrible things, have the decency to allow the people you are accusing to know who their accuser is. Since you have accused me of so many things, please have the decency to send me an email identifying yourself. If you do not do so, than you will just help me to prove to everyone that you have no decency. That your just a scared little man hiding behind a computer screen taking pot shots at people your too scared to confront openly.
Poor addled baby just can't make up his mind. These clowns should file a suit in court post haste! LOLOLOL!!!!!!

Julie Diligent
01-27-2013, 11:01 PM
First this:


i have been a Six Sigma professional for approximately 24 years now. Originally trained by Gembutsu and later in transactional Six Sigma through PWC. I am ASQ certified and a member of International Society of Six Sigma Professionals, currently ranked number 2 in the world. Interesting to note, I kind of first picked it up as a hobby just after graduation from law school.

Then this:


3. From the first day this blog launched you have been anonymously slandering anyone you choose to, yet you have no problem providing all the contact information on the people your slandering that you assume you know. In addition, case in point, you have slandered the names of at least two other people now claiming that what I have posted should be attributed to them, as you feel that I have multiple screen names.

A law school graduate, he claims. Yet he doesn't know the difference between slander and libel. Muppet!

See you in court?


2922

littleroundman
01-27-2013, 11:21 PM
See you in court?

Tennis, squash or court jester ??

littleroundman
01-27-2013, 11:33 PM
I guess it's now safe to say whoever was pretending to be the outraged "Mr Money" posted, without doubt the worst fake imitation "homey" speech pattern I've ever had the displeasure of reading.

Man, that was bad with a capital B

The sad thing is, I really do think "he" thought we believed "he" really is/was of African American extraction.

Mind you, he sure sucked sixsigmamd in with his little comedy routine, so it worked on one person at least.

littleroundman
01-27-2013, 11:51 PM
I have no account with BB. Get your facts straight.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9462/billt.jpg

Bill Lucas aka sixsigmamb on Finchsells blog (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/comment-page-3/#comment-76222)

Blue Wolf
02-22-2015, 09:09 PM
@Bluewolf: just being honest. Sorry if you don't like it.


Why yes, Mark . . . it must be your "honesty" that I don't like.

http://www.realscam.com/f8/elevation-investment-intelligence-corporation-dba-prophetmax-managed-fx-senen-pousa-joel-friant-michael-dillard-3445/index3.html#post76684