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StevenHoward
12-29-2012, 03:41 AM
One of the top people in Banners Broker decided to become involved in FlexKom so at the earliest opportunity I thought it prudent to create this thread.

hendyphilhendy
12-29-2012, 04:37 AM
Having been stung by Banners Broker I won't be joining any of these types of schemes again. Flexcom looks more like a standard product based MLM. Not sure what the actual product is though.

I had a look at a website but it was in Turkish. One of my employees is Turkish so when I am back in the office I will get her to have a look.

I would also say that I personally would not trust anything that involves Ian Driscoll.

StevenHoward
12-29-2012, 07:50 AM
This is a comment from a user on a forum

"This is a scheme. Be careful! They are under investigation by Turkish government. There were many such organizations popped up in recent years in Turkey. They all claimed to make you rich quick. They all ended up in the jail."

Taken from this page FlexKom Opening The European MLM Market (http://www.businessforhome.org/2012/09/flexkom-opening-the-european-mlm-market/)

Julie Diligent
12-29-2012, 08:51 AM
Whilst I'm not a defender of Driscoll or FlexKom, Steven, I would ask that you post whatever evidence you have that justifies the title of this thread. As it stands, despite the question mark, the title asserts that FlexKom is a Ponzi scheme when, as Phil suggests, it may actually be a standard, product-based MLM programme'. Thanks.

Theseus
12-29-2012, 11:29 AM
Whilst I'm not a defender of Driscoll or FlexKom, Steven, I would ask that you post whatever evidence you have that justifies the title of this thread. As it stands, despite the question mark, the title asserts that FlexKom is a Ponzi scheme when, as Phil suggests, it may actually be a standard, product-based MLM programme'. Thanks.

Perhaps replacing the word "ponzi" in the thread title with "scam" may be appropriate. I think, just by dint of those involved it merits some scrutiny though.

StevenHoward
12-29-2012, 11:30 AM
Whilst I'm not a defender of Driscoll or FlexKom, Steven, I would ask that you post whatever evidence you have that justifies the title of this thread. As it stands, despite the question mark, the title asserts that FlexKom is a Ponzi scheme when, as Phil suggests, it may actually be a standard, product-based MLM programme'. Thanks.


Sorry Julie, but you can't go making up your own rules about usage of the English language, a question mark at the end of a sentence is used to indicate a direct question. It is there for that specific purpose!.

I'm asking is FlexKom a Ponzi?, it really is very simple and cannot be thought of in any other way by someone whose first language is English.

If however your first language is not English and you don't have fully understand how to use it in certain circumstances, then I can see how you could possibly become confused, hence I'll change the title just a little to make things a little clearer.

StevenHoward
12-29-2012, 11:35 AM
Perhaps replacing the word "ponzi" in the thread title with "scam" may be appropriate. I think, just by dint of those involved it merits some scrutiny though.

Hi Theseus.

I've searched for a way to change the title of the thread but couldn't find any way to do it.

If you're able to re-phrase it, please do so.

StevenHoward
12-29-2012, 11:36 AM
Having been stung by Banners Broker I won't be joining any of these types of schemes again. Flexcom looks more like a standard product based MLM. Not sure what the actual product is though.

I had a look at a website but it was in Turkish. One of my employees is Turkish so when I am back in the office I will get her to have a look.

I would also say that I personally would not trust anything that involves Ian Driscoll.

That would be great, I'm pretty sure we'll have an English version of the site soon, here's the whois record for flexkom.co.uk


Registrant's address:
Tasyaka Mah. 179. sok. no:37
Mugla
48 300
Turkey

Registrar:
Key-Systems GmbH [Tag = KEY-SYSTEMS-DE]
URL: http://www.Key-Systems.net

Relevant dates:
Registered on: 20-May-2012
Expiry date: 20-May-2014
Last updated: 20-May-2012

Registration status:
Registered until expiry date.

Name servers:
ns1.natrohost.com
ns2.natrohost.com

Theseus
12-29-2012, 11:39 AM
Having been stung by Banners Broker I won't be joining any of these types of schemes again. Flexcom looks more like a standard product based MLM. Not sure what the actual product is though.

I had a look at a website but it was in Turkish. One of my employees is Turkish so when I am back in the office I will get her to have a look.

I would also say that I personally would not trust anything that involves Ian Driscoll.

Here's a translation from the German site (flexkom.com)




Who is FlexKom

The FlexKom Group

Initial development of August 2010
Currently has 53 permanent employees
own programming team
Experienced international management team
Currently, 43,000 franchisees and about 2 million loyalty cards (In the test, Turkey)
FlexKom Europe GmbH, Stuttgart / Holzgerlingen
FlexKom International AG Turkey: Istanbul FlexKom
Currently, Phase 1 construction in Europe D / CH / A / NL / BE / F / UK
Start the whole of Europe in 2013
Target: 40 countries in 5 years & 200 million customers





Behind FlexKom are internationally experienced network marketing entrepreneurs who have built up since 1993, more than 200,000 distributors and 3 million registered customers. FlexKom is now active in seven European countries in the market. We have in recent years made ​​the experience that the e-commerce in Turkey has experienced a real boom. Our goal is, in the light of our concept, this success to bring from Turkey to Europe.

In the next 7 years, we expect up to 30 million e-commerce customers in Turkey, which all want to get a share as independent contractors and are willing to share the success concept to share with others. Brought to market in Turkey will soon connect to our system all e-commerce center to a large Flexkom network: the company FlexKom International, the individual FlexKom-Komsumenten/-Kunden, the online community and online Marketing Organization Store. FlexKom is the most effective way, a strong customer base through network marketing (recommendations from person to person) to build. By smart business strategies and reference-based programs all parties benefit for their recommendations by the marketing-oriented reward. This goal is the FlexKom network to make its e-commerce companies to the largest direct selling companies. The company's strategy is based on the continued expansion of the customer base. The main work is based on the particular shopping portal and is directly related to the size of the customer base. FlexKom used the first base to new markets, creating by the traditional direct sales model, a large network. This is a quick and inexpensive way to build a large, loyal customer base overall. Each distributor gets this model provided by the company in order to generate profits faster. Premium Suppliers of FlexKom receive a share of the revenue from their customer base paid.





Order in the direct selling industry to still be successful, you FlexKom offers in addition to providing the tools and support its sales, the portal FlexKom.org the FlexKom Networking Academy - an established training platform. FlexKom Networking Academy includes the largest and most comprehensive training program in the industry. The Academy provides its users that can come from all sectors of the industry, an easy-to-understand and well-organized system. With online multimedia presentations and a step-by-step guide covers all aspects of the curriculum of direct sales activity and shows the users on the latest trends and marketing solutions. This Academy structure that is treated different topics, not just for industry beginners, but also for all managers wishing to engage with the progress toward a successful future.




Business Model

The business model FlexKom offers special opportunities to earn money, how else would any other distributor. With special offers for individual customers and distributors, certain goods and services are traded far below the market price. The only thing FlexKom distributors must operate actively and with enthusiasm and commitment, it is the people imagine FlexKom shopping experience. All consultants work every day with the same business tools in a fun and safe online environment. Price promotions and new products will be promptly communicated through the portal and hit sooner or later directly to the right prospects.



FlexKom the compensation plan is as simple as secure. The distributors can generate your income in two ways: 1 by the mere recommendation of products to potential customers around the world or 2 with the establishment of its own international distribution network. FlexKom-Online is a "global" Internet shopping portal. The business so there are no borders or time zones in the way. In the FlexKom business model is not about selling a single product, but rather special about the special sales idea whose time has come: the customer-based e-commerce. This sales model offers people around the world the opportunity to find potential new partners, only through the online access of a single customer.



PASSIVE INCOME The concept of passive income sources is practiced in many industries: industrial, music and film industries (license fees and user charges), insurance agents and recommendations of investors in bond funds, real estate investors, photographers (Image fees), software designers, computer game developer and network operators. About creating sales structures single person can through the use of time, effort and resources create a separate sales channel that can increase sales. This model generates additional bonuses and commissions by the system of duplication. The majority of people who start at FlexKom start the business part-time in their spare time and can thus generate more flexible hours a corresponding additional income. The more successful they manage the business, the more likely they are entering the Hauptberuflichkeit in Network. According to statistics from leading experts about 95 percent of small businesses fail within the first five years. Have a lower risk of this franchise, that attach themselves to a proven and successful business concept and work according to the given philosophy and the sales plan. Many professionals from all economic and living areas are not just looking for more money, but also cherish the 'abstract' desire for more freedom and independence. What is the point of making a lot of money if you have no chance to enjoy this? So, how you can earn residual income FlexKom? The customer is the most important foundation of our business - so to speak, the source of life of our system.

The coordinators in turn act as a guide and receive their passive income. FlexKom in an exemplary manner has created a system in which only the practiced online and the real commercial products and not be self-generated. Under the central identifier Index - FlexKom International (http://www.flexkom.com) there are tens of thousands of items of everyday consumption, many of which are particularly cheap brand products, which are marketed through a modern network of distributors. On turnover and the recommendation of each client participates FlexKom Coordinator (franchisees) with an active and passive income. The special combination of online trading and real trading business provides each distributor additional active and passive income. This system is extremely safe and is supported solely by the latest technology. FlexKom offers its customers, distributors and SME excellent support with this concept in all areas. Our franchisees we provide the knowledge and the necessary tools to become successful and to remain so. The FlexKom distributor can easily build from his home office in an almost infinite number FlexCard customers that make both online and in real trade / services sales and even profit from these sales directly. Learn the sensational FlexKom business model now know. Your personal FlexKom coordinator invites you happy to become one of the held daily webinars or to be held in your area Flexkom business presentation.

path2prosperity
12-29-2012, 12:29 PM
I had a look at a website but it was in Turkish. One of my employees is Turkish so when I am back in the office I will get her to have a look.



This is very good news indeed "hendyphilhendy." RS needs good translators. If you can send me a link to the web site, I will ask the owners of a small Turkish cafe in my local village to see if they can introduce me to a good Turkish translator in UK.

If you can send me the results of your investigations, I will ask the owners of the cafe, if I can put up a card on their notice board which is frequented by a lot of small business people in the South London Turkish community.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-29-2012, 12:40 PM
Having been stung by Banners Broker I won't be joining any of these types of schemes again. Flexcom looks more like a standard product based MLM. Not sure what the actual product is though.

I had a look at a website but it was in Turkish. One of my employees is Turkish so when I am back in the office I will get her to have a look.

I would also say that I personally would not trust anything that involves Ian Driscoll.


Looks like another Dubli clone to me. Turkish/German links. Michael Scheibe seems to be a career MLMer. (Anyone remember Dubli's "head office" in Germany when they were going to be the new ebay that never happened?)

It is a normal pattern that when one "business opportunity" of dubious provenance starts to bite the dust, the leaders move on and start to promote the next one and try to take their downlines with them. That's how dubious schemes are perpetuated

Big red flag for FlexKom in my book.

JustTooMuchTime
12-29-2012, 01:02 PM
This appears to be an English-language affiliate site for FlexKom:
Flexkom International welcomes you to a new world of network marketing. (http://www.flexkomglobal.com/)


This franchise formula puts an end to business competition and gives birth to business collaboration on a global scale.

Flexkom-at-home-franchise offers you the most innovative worldwide loyalty and credit card system in the world. The company is using a unique E.N.D.F. system, which is based upon E-commerce, N-etwork, D-irect Sales and F-ranchise.

Flexkom offers a diversity of applications for off and on-line shopping. The use of just one loyalty card that offers discounts and cash on everything you buy in every corner of the world is never seen before. In the next few months, this card will be available with a credit card function (prepaid) and already uses NFC and RFid technology. Our goal is to have more than 200 million users within the next two years.

OTHER FUNCTIONS :
The Flexkom loyalty and credit card can be programmed for entrance systems. This way, the card gives you access to the private parking of a club, an office building and can function as a key-card in the hotel you have booked.
Using the back-office as a distributor, you're able to send promotions through text messaging or even video streaming to all Flexkom card owners who are within a certain distance from your store, club, hotel, etc.

BECOME ONE OF OUR PARTNERS TODAY AND EARN MONEY WHILE YOU SLEEP.

It links to this YouTube video FlexKom Presentation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLsuvVP0kP8

Theseus
12-29-2012, 01:08 PM
Another scheme where the basic maths just don't work.

JustTooMuchTime
12-29-2012, 01:36 PM
Another scheme where the basic maths just don't work.

Speaking of numbers...

According to Targaryen's 12/12/2012 post at TalkGold (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r378444-.html):


1. Flexkom are German and have a new product they designed. (Retail card machine & online portal)
2. Flexkom tested it in Turkey as Germany has close ties in that country, it has a young population and are tech savvy.
3. In under 2 years Flexkom have over 1.5 million customers and over 6000 franchise owners. One of the fastest growing companies in Turkey.
4. Flexkom knows the product works, are rolling it out across Europe and have a target of 200 million customers.
5. They are offering a limited number of Franchise positions in each country. Once they have a few good team builders and 500 Franchise owners that will trigger a launch in that country.
6. Germany, Belgium, Holland have got to these targets & are launching, UK has done the same now. Launch process under way.
7. They want Sales Managers to build teams of twelve, training for them in January and launch in February.
8. Cost of Franchise is £920 as an offer before launch. (Usually £1300) Offer ends 31st of December
9. If you have the £920 and the contacts and time to build a team there are cash & car incentives for Sales Managers.
10. Some Flexkom Franchise owners in Turkey are earning in excess of €200,000 per month. This is a huge opportunity for Networkers and experienced team builders to position themselves at the forefront of this company.
11. The company are looking for team builders at this stage, not retail sales people.
12. For more information contact please PM me your name, address & contact number or post here in the forum.

Looks like FlexKom lost 37,000 Franchisees and 500,000 customers between RealScam FlexKom Post #9 and this post.

Looks like the math "works" for the FlexKom owners selling the Franchises at £920 a pop. Wonder if there's a commission for selling those Franchises - I'm guessing there is.

But all's good, because according to Targaryen "This is a real business with a proven track record. Looking to list on the New York Stock Exchange next year."

Theseus
12-29-2012, 01:46 PM
But all's good, because according to Targaryen "This is a real business with a proven track record. Looking to list on the New York Stock Exchange next year."

Because nothing inspires investor confidence more than a business that acts as a life raft for those fleeing a sinking ponzi...

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-29-2012, 01:56 PM
Speaking of numbers...

According to Targaryen's 12/12/2012 post at TalkGold (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r378444-.html):



Looks like FlexKom lost 37,000 Franchisees and 500,000 customers between RealScam FlexKom Post #9 and this post.

Looks like the math "works" for the FlexKom owners selling the Franchises at £920 a pop. Wonder if there's a commission for selling those Franchises - I'm guessing there is.

But all's good, because according to Targaryen "This is a real business with a proven track record. Looking to list on the New York Stock Exchange next year."

Now where have we heard that before? It will only be credible when they have made their official application. Can anyone say "Dubli clone"?

JustTooMuchTime
12-29-2012, 02:31 PM
Other sites controlled/owned by FlexKom:
http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg536/Paul_Schlegel/FlexKom/FlexKom-212-68-61-144_zps7c613a50.png

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg536/Paul_Schlegel/FlexKom/FlexKom-46-4-104-115_zps1b1f0a17.png

Whip
12-29-2012, 02:31 PM
Here's a translation from the German site (flexkom.com)

Interesting that even with the advent of the internet, it's taken this long, and a scammer, to bring this alleged conglomerate to light. lol

StevenHoward
12-29-2012, 02:35 PM
Looking to list on the New York Stock Exchange next year

He claims they have been trading for under two years. To be listed on the NYSE there must be five years of annual shareholder reports (plus lots of other criteria must be met).

Read more at How Do Companies Get Listed on the New York Stock Exchange? | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/about_7285560_do-new-york-stock-exchange_.html)

This guy is spouting absolute garbage.


From their Flexkom International welcomes you to a new world of network marketing. (http://www.flexkomglobal.com/) home page, there is this quote.



"In January 2013, the second Academy is taking place in Dubai. During this event, the final faze of Flexkom will be introduced"

When corporate sites are developed they go through extensive testing by the developers before going live, spelling mistakes and incorrect usage of language just DO NOT appear. A translator fluent in Turkish and English should have been employed to approve the final drafts.

The word "FAZE" would not have crept in (in my opinion) in any corporate site/project I've ever worked on.

For people whose first language is not English, the word should have been "PHASE" which means stage (EG the final stage or final phase).

Faze on the other hand means to disconcert; to worry; to disturb, (and an alteration of feeze which means to drive away or frighten) which given the thread's title is rather amusing, or possibly even karma.

Theseus
12-29-2012, 02:36 PM
Lifted from a blog by Bruce Lamb, another BB scammer...


FlexKom Business Presentations

Please Note ALL Flexkom meetings are
Business Dress Suite and Tie ( NO Jeans )
Meetings will start on time and anyone that
is even 1 min late WILL NOT be allowed
to enter the meeting that has started.


BIRMINGHAM
27th December Prompt Start at 8.00pm
Park Inn Hotel
Birmingham Road
West Bromwich
B70 6RS
Presenter IAN DRISCOLL

WEST SUSSEX
THURSDAY 28th DECEMBER
Registration from 1.30 2.00pm prompt start
VENUE TBA
West Sussex,
Presenter IAN DRISCOLL

LONDON
28th December Prompt Start 8.00
CUMBERLAND HOTEL
1 - 3 St Johns Road
HARROW
Middlesex
HA1 2EF
Presenter IAN DRISCOLL


IMPORTANT DATE
Saturday 12th January
1.00 - 3.00 Asker Sakinmas ( CEO )
Will be doing a FLEXKOM Meeting in the
Birmingham area Venue TBA

Followed by
Leadership Training 4. -5.30 In order to
attend the Leadership Meeting it is open to
S M's ONLY ( Sales Managers ) so make
certain you do not miss the 1 st Ever UK
Leadership Meeting History in the making
Become SM as soon as you can and take
some S M's to the meeting with You


History in the making? :RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

Whip
12-29-2012, 02:36 PM
Speaking of numbers...

According to Targaryen's 12/12/2012 post at TalkGold (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r378444-.html):


Looks like FlexKom lost 37,000 Franchisees and 500,000 customers between RealScam FlexKom Post #9 and this post.

Looks like the math "works" for the FlexKom owners selling the Franchises at £920 a pop. Wonder if there's a commission for selling those Franchises - I'm guessing there is.

But all's good, because according to Targaryen "This is a real business with a proven track record. Looking to list on the New York Stock Exchange next year."


Odd they seem to be targeting everyone BUT the 3 biggest countries in terms of recruiting potential

Whip
12-29-2012, 02:43 PM
He claims they have been trading for under two years. To be listed on the NYSE there must be five years of annual shareholder reports (plus lots of other criteria must be met).

Read more at How Do Companies Get Listed on the New York Stock Exchange? | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/about_7285560_do-new-york-stock-exchange_.html)

This guy is spouting absolute garbage.


From their Flexkom International welcomes you to a new world of network marketing. (http://www.flexkomglobal.com/) home page, there is this quote.


When corporate sites are developed they go through extensive testing by the developers before going live, spelling mistakes and incorrect usage of language just DO NOT appear. A translator fluent in Turkish and English should have been employed to approve the final drafts.

The word "FAZE" would not have crept in (in my opinion) in any corporate site/project I've ever worked on.

For people whose first language is not English, the word should have been "PHASE" which means stage (EG the final stage or final phase).

Faze on the other hand means to disconcert; to worry; to disturb, (and an alteration of feeze which means to drive away or frighten) which given the thread's title is rather amusing, or possibly even karma.

They have no presence in ANY market from what I can see.

JustTooMuchTime
12-29-2012, 02:57 PM
Kind of curious about the domain FlexBox24.com which redirects to FlexKom.com and is
hosted with all those FlexKom "megamall" domains on IP 46.4.104.115

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg536/Paul_Schlegel/FlexKom/FlexBox24-com-redirect_zps819f27c7.png

Here's the Whois info for it:


Owner Contact:
Mustafa Keskin
Karle UG & Co. KG
Industriestr. 37
Neu-Ulm, 89231, DE

Punycode Name: flexbox24.com
Unicode Name: flexbox24.com

Admin Contact
Mustafa Keskin
Karle UG & Co. KG
info@karleco.de
Industriestr. 37
Neu-Ulm, 89231, DE
phone: +49.17689060260

Technical Contact
Mustafa Keskin
Karle UG & Co. KG
info@karleco.de
Industriestr. 37
Neu-Ulm, 89231, DE
phone: +49.17689060260

Zone Contact
Mustafa Keskin
Karle UG & Co. KG
info@karleco.de
Industriestr. 37
Neu-Ulm, 89231, DE
phone: +49.17689060260

info@karleco.de and keskin@flexkom.com emails are associated with most of the FlexKom megamall domains.

Mustafa Keskin is only showing as owner on FlexBox24.com and Admin and/or Tech on the others.

StevenHoward
12-29-2012, 05:43 PM
They have no presence in ANY market from what I can see.

Me either, would be nice to see if any Turkish nationals can tell us about their experiences of purchasing through FlexKon .

One thing that's nice to see is that this *opportunity* has been spotted solely because of Ian Driscoll's involvement, he's often one of the 1st in the UK to be involved in any new internet marketing scheme, because of his involvement with BB and other *opportunities*, IMHO he's definitely marked anything he's involved in as worth taking a closer look at.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-29-2012, 06:26 PM
Me either, would be nice to see if any Turkish nationals can tell us about their experiences of purchasing through FlexKon .

One thing that's nice to see is that this *opportunity* has been spotted solely because of Ian Driscoll's involvement, he's often one of the 1st in the UK to be involved in any new internet marketing scheme, because of his involvement with BB and other *opportunities*, IMHO he's definitely marked anything he's involved in as worth taking a closer look at.

It might be equally useful to see what is happening in Germany as FlexKom has strong german ties and a large number of entries on Google appear in German rather than Turkish. Mustafa Keskin is German based as are others in their so called Management Team. (Don't forget that Germany has a large Turkish immigrant population and there are many German speaking Turks)

Anyone here understand the German entries?

Whip
12-29-2012, 07:31 PM
Me either, would be nice to see if any Turkish nationals can tell us about their experiences of purchasing through FlexKon .

One thing that's nice to see is that this *opportunity* has been spotted solely because of Ian Driscoll's involvement, he's often one of the 1st in the UK to be involved in any new internet marketing scheme, because of his involvement with BB and other *opportunities*, IMHO he's definitely marked anything he's involved in as worth taking a closer look at.

He seems to be UK's ken russo

StevenHoward
12-30-2012, 01:49 AM
He seems to be UK's ken russo

I didn't know who russo was, after a little bit of googling, yes, he sounds a right shark.

Why do people with track records like this never appear to end up in prison ?, or appear never to be confronted?, or get beaten up etc (not suggesting anyone should).


But back to driscoll, if he is like this and this is another unsavoury scheme, why don't the Police take an interest, we do have Crimestoppers you know.

JustTooMuchTime
12-30-2012, 03:40 AM
Hmm. Wonder if they did a little "fundraising" before they launched in 2010:

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg536/Paul_Schlegel/FlexKom/harvard-invest-com-vs-world-wide-mega-mall-com_zps304db9d2.png

Harvard Invest s.r.o is listed as a company liquidated in 2004 here:
http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg536/Paul_Schlegel/FlexKom/harvard-invest-defunct_zpsd8f319f9.png

StevenHoward
12-30-2012, 04:58 AM
Hmm. Wonder if they did a little "fundraising" before they launched in 2010:


Good find, the website associated with the Mustafa Keeskin is at Home - Karle UG & Co. KG (http://karleco.de/) the site is down for maintenance at the moment, there is also a fax number and address for the company

Industriestr. Thirty-seven
89231 Neu-Ulm,
Germany
Fax: +49 (0) 180-50202253285

https://plus.google.com/103302882650646513366/about?gl=uk&hl=en

They appear to be a commercial agency, put this into google maps "Industriestr. Thirty-seven 89231 Neu-Ulm," and it shows up what appears to be a large commercial premises.

Maybe Mustafa just registers domain names on behalf of companies.

hendyphilhendy
12-30-2012, 07:56 AM
Please Note ALL Flexkom meetings are
Business Dress Suite and Tie ( NO Jeans )
Meetings will start on time and anyone that
is even 1 min late WILL NOT be allowed
to enter the meeting that has started.

Is that a 3 piece Suite or a Two piece Suite that you need to wear. Sofa I have no idea :RpS_smile:

To be honest anyone that told me how to dress to a business meeting would be an instant no. Even as an accountant I don't wear suits anymore.

hendyphilhendy
12-30-2012, 07:58 AM
This seems a bit similar to another business that I have been pitched to Lyoness Lyoness Cashback | Money Back With Every Purchase - Lyoness UK (http://www.lyoness.net/GB/)

Hypanor
12-30-2012, 08:02 AM
According to a couple of articles on Obtainer, (http://www.obtainer-online.com/results.php?keyword=flexkom) Flexkom has been operating in Turkey for a couple of years now.

hendyphilhendy
12-30-2012, 09:02 AM
Just come across this on https://www.facebook.com/BBWWTV


Anyone heard of 'flexkom' ? Well you will be next year! The Rugby Union have just signed up and bought 500,000 cards ! At 20% per card that's mad! .. have a nosey at this flexkomreview.org (http://flexkomreview.org/) and let me know what you think... (official sitehttp://flexkom.com/) - They are filing to list on the New York Stock Exchange... 2013 is going to be huge!! (oh, and the offer has been extended until the end of the year). As you can imagine, I've had sleepless nights and cant wait!!

Really, a deal with the Rugby Union?

hendyphilhendy
12-30-2012, 09:04 AM
It does seem that a lot of the Banners Broker faithful are moving over to this (or peddling both).

Whip
12-30-2012, 11:09 AM
According to a couple of articles on Obtainer, (http://www.obtainer-online.com/results.php?keyword=flexkom) Flexkom has been operating in Turkey for a couple of years now.

Seems like a self-submit article site just like fake press release sites.

Theseus
12-30-2012, 11:13 AM
Just come across this on https://www.facebook.com/BBWWTV



Really, a deal with the Rugby Union?


It's certainly a load of balls...

Hypanor
12-30-2012, 12:15 PM
Seems like a self-submit article site just like fake press release sites.

Don't think its quite in that category, but as many trade publications do it is possibly just a copy/pasted press release, or 'advertorial'. Obtainer is a published magazine in Europe and Middle East - started out in Germany (2006) with half a million readers, and now claims to have 2.5m readers.

From what I understand about Flexkom, it requires retailers etc to come on board for it to work - Its a loyalty card crossed with a barter card, that isn't tied into any one retailer or product, but also has its own products to sell. A little confusing but on the face of it looks legit. Its certainly quite large in Turkey, as my cousin who lives there has attested to.

JustTooMuchTime
12-30-2012, 02:16 PM
According to a couple of articles on Obtainer, (http://www.obtainer-online.com/results.php?keyword=flexkom) Flexkom has been operating in Turkey for a couple of years now.

This article is bizarre:
FlexKom Gaining Importance in Turkey (http://www.obtainer-online.com/news/en/flexkom-gaining-importance-in-turkey.html)

They spend a huge deal of their article trying to convince people that it's not a scam.


"is so often the case, rapid growing direct sales companies and all their other forms, such as multi-level marketing, then become the object of sweeping criticism and material for sensational journalism."


"Completely with the core code of neutral and objective research, stories are written about direct sales and MLM companies in which some essential information is withheld or lumped together, even though the explanation of the detail, particularly in the networking industry, decides between black and white, legal or illegal."

I love this part:


"Everything that is not mainstream, everything that is different, is under attack. It requires no philosophical knowledge to know that it is no different with and in the networking industry. This industry therefore inevitably has to do without quality journalism."

So THAT'S the problem - no quality journalism.

I tried to read past this part, but laughter got the best of me:


"The ambitious plans of FlexKom will be observed with suspicion by competitors and media resources will even be used for defamation. "

Whip
12-30-2012, 02:31 PM
This article is bizarre:
FlexKom Gaining Importance in Turkey (http://www.obtainer-online.com/news/en/flexkom-gaining-importance-in-turkey.html)

They spend a huge deal of their article trying to convince people that it's not a scam.





I love this part:



So THAT'S the problem - no quality journalism.

I tried to read past this part, but laughter got the best of me:

Yeah. Never saw Microsoft, Google, Cisco, AMD, Intel have to do any of that. lol. They really red-flag themselves and make our job much easier.

JustTooMuchTime
12-30-2012, 07:35 PM
A little confusing but on the face of it looks legit. Its certainly quite large in Turkey, as my cousin who lives there has attested to.

If it is deemed legit, the next question is "is it viable?" Does your cousin know how much their charging the retailers, if anything?

hendyphilhendy
12-30-2012, 08:17 PM
I don't know much about the whois info but see Ian Driscoll mentioned here as owning flexcom.tel

FlexKom.tel - Flex Kom (http://whois.domaintools.com/flexkom.tel)

Soapboxmom
12-30-2012, 08:37 PM
I took the liberty of grabbing that before it goes anonymous:


Domain Name: FLEXKOM.TEL
Domain ID: D2864672-TEL
Sponsoring Registrar: ASCIO TECHNOLOGIES INC.
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 106
Registrar URL (registration services): One connection domain registrar | Ascio (http://www.ascio.com)
Domain Status: ok
Registrant ID: AT909596093372
Registrant Name: Ian Driscoll
Registrant Organization: Nexus IMG
Registrant Address1: 19 Bar house Lane
Registrant City: Utley, Keighley
Registrant State/Province: West Yorkshire
Registrant Postal Code: BD20 6HA
Registrant Country: UNITED KINGDOM
Registrant Country Code: GB
Registrant Phone Number: +44.7968006296
Registrant Facsimile Number: +44.7968006296
Registrant Email: http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=b14f9f7488a6e00b2557d9d436fbf3dd&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://reversewhois.domaintools.com/?email=b14f9f7488a6e00b2557d9d436fbf3dd)
Administrative Contact ID: AT909596113472
Administrative Contact Name: Easily Limited
Administrative Contact Organization: Easily Limited
Administrative Contact Address1: 3rd Floor, Prospero House
Administrative Contact Address2: 241 Borough High St.
Administrative Contact City: London
Administrative Contact State/Province: N/A
Administrative Contact Postal Code: SE1 1GA
Administrative Contact Country: UNITED KINGDOM
Administrative Contact Country Code: GB
Administrative Contact Phone Number: +44.8704589450
Administrative Contact Facsimile Number: +44.8704589458
Administrative Contact Email: http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=049d10cac8839bf270cd92d2a8d006ff&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://reversewhois.domaintools.com/?email=049d10cac8839bf270cd92d2a8d006ff)

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-31-2012, 09:41 AM
The question that anyone thinking of joining FlexKom should be asking themselves is why are none of the leaders of the legitimate ecommerce world involved in this scheme? If it is so innovative, why haven't they tried to poach people from eBay, Amazon etc? This would be the normal way for a new business in the ecommerce world to proceed. Why is it full of names of serial MLMers, and others from HYIP schemes?

Equally, if it is so real and so innovative, why haven't they raised capital for it through the normal financing system? Or even crowd sourcing? Why finance it through an MLM members network? Even the legitimate MLMs have capital and production assets. The Herbalifes, Amways, Foreverlivings, etc etc of this world own factories and have production operations. It is fairly clear that operations of the FlexKom type are offering "a pay to participate in the game" opportunity, not the chance to participate/invest in a real business. As a member, what do you actually buy and what is its real value?

Red flags flying cheerfully over all the FlexKom operations and its efforts to rope in a new bunch of suckers who are unused to this kind of game, this time from Turkey.

littleroundman
12-31-2012, 10:13 AM
Domain Name: FLEXKOM.TEL
Domain ID: D2864672-TEL
Sponsoring Registrar: ASCIO TECHNOLOGIES INC.
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 106
Registrar URL (registration services): One connection domain registrar | Ascio (http://www.ascio.com)
Domain Status: ok
Registrant ID: AT909596093372
Registrant Name: Ian Driscoll
Registrant Organization: Nexus IMG
Registrant Address1: 19 Bar house Lane
Registrant City: Utley, Keighley
Registrant State/Province: West Yorkshire
Registrant Postal Code: BD20 6HA
Registrant Country: UNITED KINGDOM
Registrant Country Code: GB
Registrant Phone Number: +44.7968006296
Registrant Facsimile Number: +44.7968006296
Registrant Email: http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=b14f9f7488a6e00b2557d9d436fbf3dd&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=underline&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent (http://reversewhois.domaintools.com/?email=b14f9f7488a6e00b2557d9d436fbf3dd)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4980/neximg.gif

JustTooMuchTime
12-31-2012, 01:05 PM
If it is deemed legit, the next question is "is it viable?" Does your cousin know how much their charging the retailers, if anything?

I should have said "legal" not "legit". Two different animals.

Theseus
12-31-2012, 01:56 PM
If it is deemed legit, the next question is "is it viable?" Does your cousin know how much their charging the retailers, if anything?

300 euros for the terminal and a supply of loyalty cards

Hypanor
01-01-2013, 12:05 AM
If it is deemed legit, the next question is "is it viable?" Does your cousin know how much their charging the retailers, if anything?

Doesn't know much more than "heard of it, been around for a while, not involved - it's a loyallty card, aren't they all rorts to get people to buy things they don't need from people they wouldn't do business with?"

I'm trying to remember the name of the multi-retailer loyalty card that was being promoted in Aus a while back as "The Next Great Shopping Thing", it disappeared in a puff of non-interest.

littleroundman
01-01-2013, 12:29 AM
300 euros for the terminal and a supply of loyalty cards

Anyone seen any of these otherwise mythical "terminals" ??

EagleOne
01-01-2013, 01:08 AM
Doesn't know much more than "heard of it, been around for a while, not involved - it's a loyallty card, aren't they all rorts to get people to buy things they don't need from people they wouldn't do business with?"

I'm trying to remember the name of the multi-retailer loyalty card that was being promoted in Aus a while back as "The Next Great Shopping Thing", it disappeared in a puff of non-interest.

Was it Pre-Launch Australia?

Hypanor
01-01-2013, 01:24 AM
I don't recall it being advertised as an MLM - more a new loyalty card that will set the retail buyers world on fire. I dislike the whole idea of loyalty cards so didn't take much more notice of it. It was mentioned in the mainstream press for a while and was out of Melbourne, so it could have been Pre-Launch but that name doesn't ring a bell.

JustTooMuchTime
01-01-2013, 05:47 PM
Here's an English presentation in PDF format:
http://www.net-friends.net/Flexkom_presENG.pdf

net-friends.net is registered to Dirk Vanderdonckt. These are some of his profiles:
Dirk Vanderdonckt's Profile on BizOppers.com - BizOppers.com (http://bizoppers.com/users/42957-dirk-vanderdonckt)
Dirk Vanderdonckt | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/members/dhira.aspx)
Dirk Vanderdonckt's Page - Net Millionaires Club (http://netmillionairesclub.ning.com/profile/DirkVanderdonckt)
https://www.elance.com/s/dirkvanderdonckt/

He should be able to explain FlexKom well since on his bizopper's profile he says:

"I have joined almost every possible opportunity online, and distill the best of it."

Apparently some of those opportunities include Wedding Planning (bizoppers) and writing
articles for $5/hour (elance).

Beethoven
01-02-2013, 04:08 PM
Incomplete Slideshow attached from Ian Driscoll's flexkom webinar tonight

It gives the gist of things

He's promising returns of 40,000 Euros a month plus a new Mercedes and a Villa in Turkey for top flight affilliates.

Lets see how things pan out?

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Beethoven
01-02-2013, 04:10 PM
Continued:
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Beethoven
01-02-2013, 04:10 PM
Last 3 slides

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StevenHoward
01-02-2013, 05:55 PM
I'd like to see one of the POS terminals, if they actually have them.

What incentive does a retailer have to sell at discounted prices ?, CC companies charge something like 2.5% (ish) to the retailer, the maths don't work on that alone.

It would be a good idea to keep plugging away at Driscoll, even in the flesh, if he comes into my area I'll confront him. A packed hall or one to one, makes little difference to me.

Remember we have Crimestoppers in the UK, they will act if there's a chance a con artist is trying to fleece people out of their money.

A letter to the Chief constable of your county will also have a huge effect, nothing gets attention like a complaint to the top person in any organisation.


....................................Now where did I put Raj Divit's address

Theseus
01-02-2013, 07:09 PM
I'd like to see one of the POS terminals, if they actually have them.

What incentive does a retailer have to sell at discounted prices ?

I don't doubt they exist and discount or cashback cards/schemes (think Quidco and Topcashback) are standard fare in retailing these days. This just reeks of being a scam though.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
01-02-2013, 08:09 PM
I don't doubt they exist and discount or cashback cards/schemes (think Quidco and Topcashback) are standard fare in retailing these days. This just reeks of being a scam though.

The whole set up looks so convoluted that it is hard to figure out how anyone gets their money other than recruiting. Which retailers accept these discount cards? Or have I missed the point? Or isn't that the whole point? If it is sufficiently complex, it disguises the fact that you are going to have a hard time to make any money from retail customers who are not members of FlexKom, turning it into another circular business where the only money is made out of other members, i.e. not a genuine eCommerce business.

The other point is that there is very little about the real products available and how they are going to attract the non member public to become bona fide customers. This looks to me like another high level entry networking scheme with very little emphasis on making money out of the ecommerce itself. Dubli did the same - lots of networking and brainwashing and the "new ebay site" was still totally unknown to the buying public when they slid out of Europe leaving IBO's with their losses and changed track into becoming a convoluted "reverse auction" with little or no outside revenue.

Looks like more of the same old same old with a different set of characters.

If anyone comes up with a truly new innovative way for an ecommerce site to work and offer revenue to its members without high price entry mlm recruiting, it will hit the press and make its founder famous. For now, those with experience in ecommerce are doing it the hard way, working hard and making money for the people that run it by serving their buyers and sellers.

littleroundman
01-02-2013, 08:15 PM
I don't doubt they exist and discount or cashback cards/schemes (think Quidco and Topcashback) are standard fare in retailing these days. This just reeks of being a scam though.

How many "terminals" are retailers expected to have on the counter of their shops ??

In strictly practical terms, I think it highly unlikely an legitimate retailer is going to cough up for the privilege of cluttering up his or her valuable counter space.

I guess Turkey could be considered behind the times.

"Invest in your own terminal" frauds died out long ago here.

Theseus
01-02-2013, 09:02 PM
As I said previously, the sums don't add up. They're claiming to have 6000 franchisees in Turkey earning up to "six-figure" monthly incomes (quoted elsewhere as 200,000 euros/month each) from a customer base of only 1 million members,which is patently nonsense and sounds an awful lot like the BB "we pay out $1 million a day" claims of old.

The only money I can really see coming into a business like that is franchise fees....


Source (http://flexkomreviews.com/flexkom-franchise/)

There is a finite number of Flexkom Franchise’s available in the UK, although the figure has not been set yet, the approximate amount will be about ONLY 14,000.

Only 14,000 franchises? At £920 each? So that's ONLY £12.88 MILLION (less expenses) in Driscoll's pocket?

Case. Closed.

StevenHoward
01-03-2013, 02:36 AM
I don't doubt they exist and discount or cashback cards/schemes (think Quidco and Topcashback) are standard fare in retailing these days. This just reeks of being a scam though.

I've worked with pos terminals, I'd just like to see their definition of one, I suspect it will be little more than a CC machine, that's not a POS Terminal.

I had a quick look through the screenshots last night, no mention of any national retailers, in fact no mention of one retailer.

I just don't see how the retailer will make more sales or get a higher profit margin than he or she will on the high street, nor can I see how the consumer can make any savings.

Convince me Mr Driscoll please.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
01-03-2013, 06:54 AM
I've worked with pos terminals, I'd just like to see their definition of one, I suspect it will be little more than a CC machine, that's not a POS Terminal.

I had a quick look through the screenshots last night, no mention of any national retailers, in fact no mention of one retailer.

I just don't see how the retailer will make more sales or get a higher profit margin than he or she will on the high street, nor can I see how the consumer can make any savings.

Convince me Mr Driscoll please.

You have certainly gone to the heart of the issue. If the so called innovative business of FlexKom is a real profitable business, they will have to have a solid base of retailers and retail customers to generate any profit outside their high entry franchises. You are not the only one to notice the absence of retailers on their site and without them, it is all smoke and mirrors.

Poyol
01-03-2013, 07:04 AM
Speaking of numbers...

According to Targaryen's 12/12/2012 post at TalkGold (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r378444-.html):



Looks like FlexKom lost 37,000 Franchisees and 500,000 customers between RealScam FlexKom Post #9 and this post.

Looks like the math "works" for the FlexKom owners selling the Franchises at £920 a pop. Wonder if there's a commission for selling those Franchises - I'm guessing there is.

But all's good, because according to Targaryen "This is a real business with a proven track record. Looking to list on the New York Stock Exchange next year."

Targaryen - Ah, someone's been watching a bit too much of Game of Thrones.

Jason

littleroundman
01-04-2013, 02:30 AM
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/8933/simon.gif

Flexkom uk from BG -Adverts (http://www.bg-adverts.co.uk/)

Whip
01-04-2013, 10:25 AM
I've worked with pos terminals, I'd just like to see their definition of one, I suspect it will be little more than a CC machine, that's not a POS Terminal.

I had a quick look through the screenshots last night, no mention of any national retailers, in fact no mention of one retailer.

I just don't see how the retailer will make more sales or get a higher profit margin than he or she will on the high street, nor can I see how the consumer can make any savings.

Convince me Mr Driscoll please.

The problem may be you think they are point-of-sale terminals when the reality is they are piece-of-**** terminals. (Cmon....who didn't see that one coming?)

Whip
01-04-2013, 10:29 AM
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/8933/simon.gif

Flexkom uk from BG -Adverts (http://www.bg-adverts.co.uk/)

The people photoshopped into the background is hilarious.

StevenHoward
01-04-2013, 12:17 PM
The people photoshopped into the background is hilarious.

Dear me these people are so unprofessional, no wonder Driscoll is no longer with BB.

This is supposed to be promotional material (the two guys in the centre are from Keighley Cougars I think)

1) The signs are lopsided (look at the left hand side)

2) The last one couldn't be arsed to take off his anorak.

3) This is the best :- "Make holiday with pleasure while earning", in big letters on one of the promotional banners. They actually stood in front of that and had their photos taken!!!!!.

I'm for hire as a promotions manager Ian.

Finally, the text on the right hand side, the way it is written and the spelling is terrible (my 9 year old daughter can do better), I'm not going to be their proof reader, but I spotted at least EIGHT mistakes on my first quick read of it.

The most striking mistake is where the guy claims he's had dinner at "Althorp Maner". There's NO "E" in ManOr.

Did he really have Dinner with Norman Lamont, Dinner at Althorp and won the contract for the building of the Millennium Dome ?.

From what I've seen it's much more likely he had a sarnie outside number 11 when Norman walked by, a packed lunch at Althorp during a day visit and built a scale model of the "Millennium dome" in his bedroom and got his airfix kit cheap because it had a piece missing.

Honestly, if he's won the contract to build it, you'd really expect him to know how to spell it's name. He spells it as "Milleneum Dome", when it is actually "Millennium Dome". Millennium Dome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Dome)

Maybe someone would like to enlighten the people at Keighley Cougars about the presence of this thread, Keighley Cougars : Official website : Latest News : Buy Matchday Tickets and Teamwear online (http://www.keighleycougars.com/)

Theseus
01-04-2013, 06:27 PM
Dear me these people are so unprofessional, no wonder Driscoll is no longer with BB.

This is supposed to be promotional material (the two guys in the centre are from Keighley Cougars I think)

1) The signs are lopsided (look at the left hand side)

2) The last one couldn't be arsed to take off his anorak.

3) This is the best :- "Make holiday with pleasure while earning", in big letters on one of the promotional banners. They actually stood in front of that and had their photos taken!!!!!.

I'm for hire as a promotions manager Ian.

Finally, the text on the right hand side, the way it is written and the spelling is terrible (my 9 year old daughter can do better), I'm not going to be their proof reader, but I spotted at least EIGHT mistakes on my first quick read of it.

The most striking mistake is where the guy claims he's had dinner at "Althorp Maner". There's NO "E" in ManOr.

Did he really have Dinner with Norman Lamont, Dinner at Althorp and won the contract for the building of the Millennium Dome ?.

From what I've seen it's much more likely he had a sarnie outside number 11 when Norman walked by, a packed lunch at Althorp during a day visit and built a scale model of the "Millennium dome" in his bedroom and got his airfix kit cheap because it had a piece missing.

Honestly, if he's won the contract to build it, you'd really expect him to know how to spell it's name. He spells it as "Milleneum Dome", when it is actually "Millennium Dome". Millennium Dome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Dome)

Maybe someone would like to enlighten the people at Keighley Cougars about the presence of this thread, Keighley Cougars : Official website : Latest News : Buy Matchday Tickets and Teamwear online (http://www.keighleycougars.com/)


The people photoshopped into the background is hilarious.

The picture doesn't look as if it has been photoshopped, I doubt the person that put that site together could manage anything as advanced as that. I suspect the two unknowns in the pic Gary Fawcett (http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/907704219) and Neil Cullen (http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/903718758) might have been roped into the FlexKom family though, so I reckon the KC, or "kG" as that idiot identifies them, are already well aware.

Whip
01-04-2013, 06:41 PM
The picture doesn't look as if it has been photoshopped, I doubt the person that put that site together could manage anything as advanced as that. I suspect the two unknowns in the pic Gary Fawcett (http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/907704219) and Neil Cullen (http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/903718758) might have been roped into the FlexKom family though, so I reckon the KC, or "kG" as that idiot identifies them, are already well aware.

I've seen cartoon audiences drawn better.

Theseus
01-04-2013, 06:48 PM
I've seen cartoon audiences drawn better.

You've obviously never been to Keighley...:RpS_lol:

Whip
01-04-2013, 11:51 PM
Touche....

Lil Ol' Radical Me
01-05-2013, 07:28 AM
Millennium Dome

The architect was Richard Rogers and the contractor was a joint venture company, McAlpine/Laing Joint Venture (MLJV) formed between Sir Robert McAlpine and Laing Management.[1] The building structure was engineered by Buro Happold, and the entire roof structure weighs less than the air contained within the building

Source Wikipedia Millennium Dome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Dome)


Also in my life I have been employed to win one of the largest contracts in the uk. To build the Milleneum Dome

Simon Boothman

Yeah, in what capacity and working for whom? Oh dear. lol

Theseus
01-05-2013, 09:35 AM
Millennium Dome

The architect was Richard Rogers and the contractor was a joint venture company, McAlpine/Laing Joint Venture (MLJV) formed between Sir Robert McAlpine and Laing Management.[1] The building structure was engineered by Buro Happold, and the entire roof structure weighs less than the air contained within the building

Source Wikipedia Millennium Dome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Dome)



Yeah, in what capacity and working for whom? Oh dear. lol

Funnier still, on his Linkedin page he lists "journalism" as one of his key skills :RpS_lol:

Lil Ol' Radical Me
01-05-2013, 09:49 AM
Funnier still, on his Linkedin page he lists "journalism" as one of his key skills :RpS_lol:

Is that the new description of spin doctoring?

Theseus
01-05-2013, 12:29 PM
Is that the new description of spin doctoring?

That's not spin doctoring, or even half-decent pr, it's just an example of what happens when someone leaves school with no qualifications and then sets themselves up on the "inter-net" as a "marketing guru"...

Joe_Shmoe
01-15-2013, 08:32 PM
Oh Goodness me!!!

Mark Stokes (http://www.facebook.com/mstokes118)


‎*ATTENTION** as you may know or not Know James and I have bought a Global Licence to this business www.bit.ly/Web020113 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bit.ly%2FWeb020113&h=gAQH_KHQGAQE3WS4rIIYyoKWfYz7IHyou29s6XcTBzd7G9Q&s=1) with Ian Driscol and will be heading up the Midlands area to start with..licences are very limited if you want to work with us for your area PM me. asap .. this was the meeting we went to on Sat.

watch this www.bit.ly/Web020113 (http://www.bit.ly/Web020113)


http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/14832_10151667246108146_11309522_n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151667246108146&set=o.327034717379877&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf)

DueDiligence
01-16-2013, 04:18 AM
I am completely staggered at the lack of any Due Diligence show by any of the comments here. I joined this because I truly thought that it was a group of clever astute individuals reviewing potential opportunities with a clear metric.
What exactly is the methodology that you use to decide if an opportunity is legitimate or a scam? All that I can see here is nonfactual conjecture, based upon nothing more than your personal dislike for what you have decided is erroneous.
Sad really when you think that you really did have an opportunity to evaluate in a professional manner which might have added value to or deterred people from joining. I would suggest that most intelligent people reading this will simply turn off.
Your community should be endorsing great opportunities and advising against real scams by presenting fact based on measurable, real and conclusive evidences.
FlexKom, who knows, I came here seeking advice, do or don’t do, you have failed me, so I shall continue to do my own research.
Ps, I will advise you what the outcome is……………
Due Diligence

Joe_Shmoe
01-16-2013, 04:43 AM
I am completely staggered at the lack of any Due Diligence show by any of the comments here. I joined this because I truly thought that it was a group of clever astute individuals reviewing potential opportunities with a clear metric.
What exactly is the methodology that you use to decide if an opportunity is legitimate or a scam? All that I can see here is nonfactual conjecture, based upon nothing more than your personal dislike for what you have decided is erroneous.
Sad really when you think that you really did have an opportunity to evaluate in a professional manner which might have added value to or deterred people from joining. I would suggest that most intelligent people reading this will simply turn off.
Your community should be endorsing great opportunities and advising against real scams by presenting fact based on measurable, real and conclusive evidences.
FlexKom, who knows, I came here seeking advice, do or don’t do, you have failed me, so I shall continue to do my own research.
Ps, I will advise you what the outcome is……………
Due Diligence

If Mark Stokes & Ian Driscoll are involved it is most likely a scam However, yes it is a good Idea to do your own research if you find anything out either way please post your findings here.
It does look though like the maths of this scheme don't add up.

Theseus
01-16-2013, 06:22 AM
Ps, I will advise you what the outcome is……………
Due Diligence

Thank you, don't be surprised if on your journey you encounter a lot of quacking and waddling though :RpS_wink:

Dreamstealer
01-26-2013, 04:50 AM
When corporate sites are developed they go through extensive testing by the developers before going live, spelling mistakes and incorrect usage of language just DO NOT appear. A translator fluent in Turkish and English should have been employed to approve the final drafts.

.

Unfortunately spelling mistakes get into very professional documents. A recent tv ad in the UK had a mild dig at our American cousins and one of the things they put out was that Aluminum was actually Aluminium. They then said "it has a U in it". Actually the different letter is an I. Imagine the people involved in this that didn't spot the mistake. Bad spelling doesn't mean a dodgy business, honnesst.

Loved the fact that it takes 5 years to register. These boys should do their homework! Keep up the good work!

StevenHoward
01-28-2013, 07:09 PM
Unfortunately spelling mistakes get into very professional documents. A recent tv ad in the UK had a mild dig at our American cousins and one of the things they put out was that Aluminum was actually Aluminium. They then said "it has a U in it". Actually the different letter is an I. Imagine the people involved in this that didn't spot the mistake. Bad spelling doesn't mean a dodgy business, honnesst.

Loved the fact that it takes 5 years to register. These boys should do their homework! Keep up the good work!


Honnesstlee :), there should be no spelling mistakes.

I've been involved in creating corporate sites, EVERYTHING was gone through with a fine toothcomb, then again and yet again.

Of course bad spelling doesn't mean a bad business, I've spotted a few on different sites myself and have still purchased from them.

These tend to be smaller companies with sites created by a small team of designers.

For larger companies it just should not happen, pop along to Apple,Google,Msoft,7-11,Forbes,McDonalds mistakes generally do not creep in on corporate sites like these, if they do they're quickly spotted and updated.

easypeasy
03-13-2013, 05:03 PM
Someone showed me this opportunity today. If it is MLM, then it has no wealth warning on its websites and has no cooling off period.
If it is a franchise, is it a member of the British Franchise Association?

Why was it tested in Turkey of all places.

laidback
03-13-2013, 10:47 PM
I am completely staggered at the lack of any Due Diligence show by any of the comments here. I joined this because I truly thought that it was a group of clever astute individuals reviewing potential opportunities with a clear metric.
What exactly is the methodology that you use to decide if an opportunity is legitimate or a scam? All that I can see here is nonfactual conjecture, based upon nothing more than your personal dislike for what you have decided is erroneous.
Sad really when you think that you really did have an opportunity to evaluate in a professional manner which might have added value to or deterred people from joining. I would suggest that most intelligent people reading this will simply turn off.
Your community should be endorsing great opportunities and advising against real scams by presenting fact based on measurable, real and conclusive evidences.
FlexKom, who knows, I came here seeking advice, do or don’t do, you have failed me, so I shall continue to do my own research.
Ps, I will advise you what the outcome is……………
Due Diligence
Don't forget to exercise due diligence...!

Whip
03-14-2013, 10:01 AM
Don't forget to exercise due diligence...!

I see what you did there.

Beacon
04-19-2013, 05:48 AM
He claims they have been trading for under two years. To be listed on the NYSE there must be five years of annual shareholder reports (plus lots of other criteria must be met).

Read more at How Do Companies Get Listed on the New York Stock Exchange? | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/about_7285560_do-new-york-stock-exchange_.html)

This guy is spouting absolute garbage.


AFAIK you also have to be a PLC which is a bit more complicated than a Limited company. A normal limited company may have two shareholders . a PLC has a minimum of fifty if I recall. And for all their "trading for two years" There isnt a UK or Irish Limited company so they don't have any "employees". there is a German company HRB 204268
Flexkom Europe GmbH which is NOT two years old!
Registered 2013-03-27, on march 27, on wednesday as a registered companies in Germany

Flexkom Europe Gmbh (München) - HRB 204268 - Deutsch, Germany company (http://germancompanies.net/en/flexkom-europe-gmbh.704146.german-company.html)

so much for "two years trading" LOL. Closer to two weeks!

Beacon
04-19-2013, 02:23 PM
I am completely staggered at the lack of any Due Diligence show by any of the comments here. I joined this because I truly thought that it was a group of clever astute individuals reviewing potential opportunities with a clear metric.
What exactly is the methodology that you use to decide if an opportunity is legitimate or a scam? All that I can see here is nonfactual conjecture, based upon nothing more than your personal dislike for what you have decided is erroneous.


Well one might start with the FACT you have been shown about rules the NYSE has for joining ~ e.g. actually being in business as a Public Limited Company for five years.
2. Then there is the FACT that there are no Flexkom companies in the countries they claim to be trading in for the last two years except Germany and that company was set up in MARCH . March 2013 that is. a couple of weeks ago.

3. Then there is the past history of Driscoll and Stokes with the Banners Broker ponzi scam.

1, 2 and 3 are real conclusive and measurable.
Driscoll has no Flexcom UK limited but he has tried to corner the internet name registration. Of course names cost may a hundred for the lot but a company costs a few thousand to have audits by real accountants and articles and mrmoranda of Association stating how it is constituted. and people can actually see your audited accounts! REal measurable and conclusive accounts!


Sad really when you think that you really did have an opportunity to evaluate in a professional manner which might have added value to or deterred people from joining. I would suggest that most intelligent people reading this will simply turn off.
Your community should be endorsing great opportunities and advising against real scams by presenting fact based on measurable, real and conclusive evidences.
FlexKom, who knows, I came here seeking advice, do or don’t do, you have failed me, so I shall continue to do my own research.
Ps, I will advise you what the outcome is……………
Due Diligence

Flexkom is a farce and your comments don't stand up! The evidence given in the above thread indicate the flexkom scheme has more holes in it the holiest of holy Swiss cheese. You are in denial and I don't mean the river. ((!))

HARRISON
04-22-2013, 02:41 PM
I have started some initial investigating of Flexkom and have come to this basic outline. Althrough there are four major entries into this scheme, I will only offer an insight from a retail perspective for now in as simple terms as possible. It seems to me that Flexcom are offering franchises to retailers so they can offer CARDS to there customers, which can be used to obtain discounts from OTHER retailers and used as payment to buy goods from there store and others.
In summary, RETAILERS are paying for these discounts by buying the cards and/or purchasing a franchise. A percentage (and very complicated percentage calculation) then goes to FlexKom.

There are TWO major drawbacks initially that I can see.
Firstly, no MAJOR high street outlet will allow a 10% DISCOUNT of every purchase. Not only will that compromise there margins but will affect other promotions they may run.
If you think about the stores in YOUR local neighbourhood, how many are there? And how many are multinationals/independants? Where is the scope to discount?
Secondly, even IF they do get a whole town to sign up, some stores will have higher priced retail goods than others. Smaller stores with low priced, high turn over goods will suffer if they have to repeatedly offer a discount and have to accept payment with 'flex money'.
I am not at this stage saying it is a scam of any sort, but I wonder what benefit the retailers will have if ultimately all they are doing is giving a percentage of there profits to flexkom with no guarantee how the cards they have paid for and distrubuted are being used?

kschang
04-24-2013, 09:42 PM
It's basically an attempt to clone Lyoness and AiYellow mixed into one.

Retailers won't see it as a scam, but it won't be very profitable for them either. The discounts they give aren't there until customers walk through their doors, but if there's enough of them it may ruin them instead of helping them. Sorta related to the various horror stories about how Groupon killed a couple small businesses when those extra orders they brought in (offered at a loss) killed the company's cashflow. It sure generated a lot of buzz, but that rush ain't always worth it. Only super-high-margin businesses can afford to do Groupon (spas, resorts, etc.)

Which is the same issue you said, basically. Small margin neighborhood stores won't touch this, and big chain stores won't bother with this. Some "medium" size stores can be tricked into joining, but the only one making any money off this would be the sales reps and FlexKom themselves.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
04-25-2013, 12:51 PM
It's basically an attempt to clone Lyoness and AiYellow mixed into one.

Retailers won't see it as a scam, but it won't be very profitable for them either. The discounts they give aren't there until customers walk through their doors, but if there's enough of them it may ruin them instead of helping them. Sorta related to the various horror stories about how Groupon killed a couple small businesses when those extra orders they brought in (offered at a loss) killed the company's cashflow. It sure generated a lot of buzz, but that rush ain't always worth it. Only super-high-margin businesses can afford to do Groupon (spas, resorts, etc.)

Which is the same issue you said, basically. Small margin neighborhood stores won't touch this, and big chain stores won't bother with this. Some "medium" size stores can be tricked into joining, but the only one making any money off this would be the sales reps and FlexKom themselves.

It is hard to believe that the founders of FlexCom aren't aware of this. They have no more difficulty in conducting the same research as any readerof this thread.

The success of this highly dubious mlm depends on their new members not working it for themselves, but falling for the promotion spiel.

As for claims of Stock Exchange quotation...........puhleees

This high entry mlm scam sounds like a poor man's Dubli

sascode3
05-01-2013, 10:57 AM
Hi guy,

Did some research into this company. There seems to be clear discontent from the people in Turkey and quite few of them have filed court cases. Pls becareful here. Here are the links in Turkish use google chrome or other translation sites to translate.

Also there is a TV showing in Turkey which is on youtube but its in Turkish. Lot of Turkish people have been left out of pocket. Now they have moved to Europe to do the same.

LINKS

Flexkom çal (http://www.zaman.com.tr/ekonomi_flexkom-calisanindan-carpici-iddialar_2006081.html)
Flexkom (http://www.zaman.com.tr/ekonomi_flexkoma-suc-duyurusu_2004071.html)
Yine saadet zinciri, yine ma (http://www.zaman.com.tr/ekonomi_yine-saadet-zinciri-yine-magduriyet-iddiasi_1352565.html)
BİLİNMEYEN FLEXKOM GERÇEKLERİ - ANA SAYFA (http://flexkomgercekleri.tr.gg/ANA-SAYFA.htm)

Facebook people you can contact to ask questions about Flexkom

https://www.facebook.com/stefan.hostettler1
https://www.facebook.com/bernd.seitz.1
http://www.facebook.com/murat.ekin.963871

Video:
Ehline Soral (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ps06vqAyeI&feature=share)

Top people who have resigned Flexkcom in Turkey

Nermin DOĞAN SME DİRECTOR... REsignaton
Mustafa KAYMAZ- SME DİRECTOR RESİGNATİON
EROL PAKEL - FLEXKOM %25 OWNERS... RESİGNATİON
ADEM EROĞLU , FLEXKOM PT CAREER... HE HAVE GOT 5000 DİSTRİBUTOR... RESİGNATİON...
İLYAS ÖZSOY - ND CAREER - RESİGNATİON
YASİN KILIÇ - PT CAREER - 15000 DİSTRİBUTOR, RESİGNATİON..
STEFAN HOSTETTLER - SWİTZERLAND CEO - RESİGNATİON..

Please kindly contribute if you find anything else. This is worth investigating before you put any money in.

Hope this helps.

sascode3
05-20-2013, 01:27 PM
FLEXKOM FRAUD
You may not come across to any negative criticism against Flexkom on internet.
The company acts wisely in the related issue and tries to get ahead of those who comments negatively on Flexkom. The situation was just like that in Turkey but it reversed afterwards. Reconsider your decision if you are planning to start a job in the company as there is not any negative comment.
The company was founded in 2011.
On his first meeting in Konya, Cengiz Ehliz gave the promise of completing all the projects by July.
Here is the link : Flexkom - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edpArdajkaQ)
When we reached to August, it became obvious that nothing was like it had been represented. But it was too late as we had signed the contract. They assured that they would definitely complete the system as seen on the video link. They presented themselves as a qualified company which was not similar to other companies; however, the reality was that they were quite an facile company.
Branded products were going to be sold out on the e-trade site. The products on the site were going be discounted products up to %90. The initial statement was to give indemnity to the customers if they found any cheaper product. They changed the site several times saying that they are developing it. You cannot point to anyone among 40 thousand people who earn money out of the site. They just pocketed money of those who got bronze and gold packages.
Sme stage was to be completed within this term. They gained time by producing a swiping machine like a calculator. When the situation got reaction, they claimed that it was a fault of a company which has a corner in the world.
Later on, they collected money with various promotions to gain time. It was claimed that all the studies would be completed by January 2012 and they would get rich with the revenue coming from European teams. They were said to be working but couldn’t achieve the projects mentioned earlier. There is just a record of the names. Their debut was on January 8, 2012;
They said
- that everyone would be able to buy a car within 3 years just by watching TV commercials on FlexTV.
- that everyone would be given 20-30% discounted electricity with FlexEnergy
- that they would make 50% discounted phone call possible, which would put other operators into a tight spot with FlexGSM
- that they would sell 50% discounted products because the contact with the factories had been completed
- that they would make profit of 10 thousand dollars in a month
- that ticket sales with FlexHoliday will bring money
So many people started to work in the company with the energy work but when the company realized that they would not be able to do energy work, they stepped back claiming the law had changed. However, there was no change. They just deceived those people by using out the money collected for the energy work and didn’t give back the money.
As stated above, they deceived people. They stole their money, labour and dreams. They tried to deescalate the reactions by acclaiming them as traitors. They said on the stage that they gave out free cars to PTs they actually did that. Actually, the money for them was provided with the premiums of PTs. When something went wrong with the payments, the cars were taken back from the PTs. Ceo Davut Türkoğlu was sued because he stole one of them from its parking lot.
The company was in the newspaper of Zaman (with 1 billion daily circulation) and they sued the newspaper. They lost the case but declared that they were the winner.
Cengiz Ehliz was fired as a result of the court decision after a fraud in Aylnet Virtual Merchandising which is a associated company with Flexkom.
The company is currently dealing with fraud cases in Turkey. They are telling to the Europeans that plenty of money is being earned out of this business. They deceive people with the lie that Salih Kılıç who has quitted the company earns 500 thousand dollars annually.
You may look over by writing Flexkom to the link. OBTAINER Directory - Magazine Directory | Newspaper Directory | Business and Lifestyle Magazine (http://www.obtainer-online.com/incomelist.php)
Naci Açış earned 1 billion dollars in in here but he closed his office within a year due to some financial problems and began giving Flexkom seminars at home. They trying hard to open a new office.
Smes has grown completely away from the system in Turkey. Many smes do not use swiping machine. Commercial careers of people have been harmed. They have intensely got into debt, which made them sufferers of this system. They have begun to have problems with their families. Seeing that the system was not running as promised by Cengiz Ehliz, those aggrieved people asked their money from the supporters.
The company made an unilateral cancellation to the contracts of those who showed reaction and criticized the company. They deceive the people in Europe saying that their past was a testing stage and they succeeded in running the system. Henceforward, it will run perfectly according to them, which is a sheer trickery.
THE QUITTERS
Erol PAKEL – Company Founder 25% Stockholder - 20 thousand distributor
Nermin Doğan - Turkey General Sbe Manager
Mustafa Salih Kaymaz – Turkey General Sbe Manager
Stefan Hosttler - Switzerland CEO
Yasin KILIÇ – Flexkom’s first PT -Having 10-15 distributor
Adem Eroğlu – Zehra Eroğlu - Flexkom PT’leri..
Mustafa Türkay - Flexkom ND
İlyas ÖZSOY – Flexkom ND - Having 2-3 thousand distributor
Emir Ali YILDIZ – Flexkom PT
Some of them were dismissed out of the system because they revealed the deceits of the company. Some resigned with their own free will. Does anyone leave and sue a system out of which they earn a large amount of money? Those who are still there are people of adulation and delusion.
Europeans had better mind their eyes!

sascode3
05-20-2013, 03:20 PM
A site with Flexkom fraud information:

fakeflexkom - WHAT 0S FLEXKOM (http://fakeflexkom.tr.gg/WHAT-%26%23304%3BS-FLEXKOM.htm)

sascode3
05-20-2013, 03:22 PM
fakeflexkom - WHAT 0S FLEXKOM (http://fakeflexkom.tr.gg/WHAT-%26%23304%3BS-FLEXKOM.htm)

HARRISON
05-21-2013, 12:38 AM
I have info that FlexKom are launching here (England) very soon, so we will be hearing alot more about them I' m sure.

JustTooMuchTime
05-25-2013, 10:01 PM
FlexKom, who knows, I came here seeking advice, do or don’t do, you have failed me, so I shall continue to do my own research.
Ps, I will advise you what the outcome is……………
Due Diligence

No you won't.

sascode3
05-29-2013, 05:03 PM
Came across this facebook link regarding Flexkom fraud in Turkey.... https://www.facebook.com/pages/Flexkom-Scams/553709781338460

Tank
06-10-2013, 11:12 PM
All MLMs are scams whether they are technically "legal" or not because they make more money off their down lines than they do off the product or service they are selling. Which MLM scheme do you know of that is legit and makes big money for everyone and not just the initiators sitting pretty at the top of the pyramid?

Innoma
06-11-2013, 12:05 AM
Many people has been asking me to verify the company for them but i am not able to read through their website. Do they have some sort of English site?

littleroundman
06-11-2013, 12:21 AM
All MLMs are scams whether they are technically "legal" or not because they make more money off their down lines than they do off the product or service they are selling. Which MLM scheme do you know of that is legit and makes big money for everyone and not just the initiators sitting pretty at the top of the pyramid?

There is no need to even get into an discussion about the pros and cons of MLM when discussing FlexKom.

It is not even an MLM.

It is a ponzi fraud made to LOOK like an MLM.

Joe_Shmoe
06-16-2013, 12:11 PM
I love this guys fake book Flexkom UK Launch (http://www.mark-stokes.com/flexkom-uk-launch-europe-june-2013/)

4421

Joe_Shmoe
06-17-2013, 07:12 PM
:pimp: Mark Stokes Pimping FlexKom :pimp:

Banners Broker not so much...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGNhMgNGrlU

Looking forward to seeing this FlexKom App in the App Store. :RpS_lol:

Joe_Shmoe
06-26-2013, 12:53 PM
More from the Mark the amazing (in a bad way) Stokes


£100,000 per month residual income sounds nice don't it?

Surprise surprise! They are going to have meeting where you can bring guests along to show them the FlexKom "business opportunity". Now where have I seen that before?

Oh yes! That other "business opportunity" Banners Broker :watching_you: http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/ (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Bizt4meTQN8

sascode3
07-02-2013, 11:09 AM
This is the link to the original story which came out few days ago. Zaman newspapers has approx 1 million of sales per day in Turkey so it's proper news outfit in Turkey. I have translated the news into English using google translate.

I am sure people can contact the editor to get more information, this verifies clear fraud by the company and people are taking them to court.

Türkiye?de tutunamayan Flexkom rotay? Avrupa?daki gurbetçiye çevirdi - ZAMAN
ABDULKADİR CEMBEKLİ, İSMAİL ÇEVİK ISTANBUL BERLIN
Collects money by promise, and many members of the investigation was opened on the Flexkom now headed for expats. Investigation by public prosecutors in Turkey undergoing restructuring in many cities in Europe, "a month can earn 32 thousand euros." Rhetoric began to look for members.

Felicity chain-type structures, attracting the attention of people who want to make money the easy way every time. However, the chain breaks, leaving the victims behind. Members who are misled by promises are not fulfilled promises plenty of disappointment and disillusionment. Genghis collects approximately 40 million pounds of money market Flexkom Ehliz'in structuring, formation activities in Turkey, European countries have shifted to members having trouble finding emerged. Especially after the Prosecutor's Office investigations of the European expatriates senior executives have resigned Flexkom'un target.

****Founded and based in Konya collects money from the market Flexkom 40 million pounds, expatriates in Turkey in European countries when it comes to new member registration came to a halt. Approximately 30 thousand members of the victims allegedly complained about the chain of Ankara, Konya, Kayseri and Adana, especially in many cities had been investigated by the Public Prosecutor's Office. These investigations came to a halt after login force the remaining structure. Senior executives of the association, claiming Genghis Ehliz'in resigned themselves defrauded.

****Began operations in Europe and the founder of the Ehliz'in structure formation on the situation in the European wing of the effort to enlarge the sources said. Structure in 7 countries in Europe, especially in Germany and the Netherlands who choose to base continued work and was determined to act against the Turks, expatriates living here. Genghis learned previously worked in Germany, six network marketing company Ehliz'in files from these companies is quite fluffy. IQ Concept in 2008 with the promise to implement the project, including the name of the German network of about three thousand people have been claimed to be the victim of Ehliz Germany, where more than 100 criminal complaint alleges. IQ Concept 3 million euros in Germany with network firm collects money that Michael had met in 2008 with the Ehliz Kipke, lived, said: "We found a very nice promises. IQ Concept and customer discount cards, bonus cards as well as mention a very nice ideas. About 3 thousand 500 entity has signed a cooperation agreement. Concept is a financial advisor in 2007-2008 took over the company and founded IQ. Introductory meetings held in various places. Between 500 and 2000 euros for membership of the participants received a contribution. Carried out a large opening in 2009. But it failed to fulfill its promises. "Kipke said that the people in the system with great enthusiasm," despite the promises made opening kept. Sometimes I have a problem with the system, and sometimes put off claiming internet connections. IQ Concept, Genghis was never made by Ehliz. The biggest disappointment of the cards was the people when they return home. Now realized that swindled. "He said.

****Many people who are members of restructuring the public prosecution had made similar claims in his criminal complaint. Flexkom members stating that Turkey fulfilled the promises made to them promises, deceived in this way all the time and telling postponed 'serious fraud' filed a criminal complaint was made on the grounds.

DISCLAIMER: The published columns / news Feza Gazetecilik All rights reserved. Even if the source columns / news all can be used without special permission. This is the only time the news or newspaper article cite using the data provided by the RSS.

fromthehood
07-02-2013, 05:18 PM
[COLOR=#000080]More from the Mark the amazing (in a bad way) Stokes



Did anybody catch caught his Freudian slip at the end?

"Within next 12 month we will be be bringing passive income for life while FlexKom is in the business, or that shop is in the business".

Almost exact quote.

Reminds me a Russian folklore story.

When Kind wanted to execute famous magician, magician said: Please do not execute me King, I will perform greatest trick in your honor. I will teach this donkey talk in 20 years.
King said; OK, you may live but if you fail I will behead you in 20 years.
Magician's friends were agape. How do you plan to teach a donkey to talk. It is impossible.
Magician calmly answered: I am not planning to teach the donkey to talk. In 20 years either donkey or King will be dead. So I will be alive and scot free.

Marc Lejeune
07-19-2013, 06:39 AM
I'm not a partner of Flexkom but I went to a presentation and to me it doesn't sound like an MLM company, the structure is only temporary and 100% legal. They are launching a revolutionary app soon and advertisement in the whole world, so if they would be a scam, they would have stopped already a while ago, I think... I'm following a bit their moves because I think they will become a very big company next year...

littleroundman
07-19-2013, 06:45 AM
I'm not a partner of Flexkom but I went to a presentation and to me it doesn't sound like an MLM company, the structure is only temporary and 100% legal. They are launching a revolutionary app soon and advertisement in the whole world, so if they would be a scam, they would have stopped already a while ago, I think... I'm following a bit their moves because I think they will become a very big company next year...

Good,

make sure you come back and tell us when it happens, ya hear ??

Marc Lejeune
07-19-2013, 06:53 AM
Yes, a reason to have some doubts, and although I didn't join them (yet), they really have a unique concept, I can tell you that. The question if it's a scam is in this case not true as far as I know: they are 100% legal, I checked that out myself at the main company seat in Munchen and Las Vegas. If they succeed in putting their concept on the market they will become very big in my opinion. The system in Turkey is an old system that will be replaced soon, that's why a lot of people were not happy. But legal? Yes, I'm sure they are...

ribshaw
07-19-2013, 08:05 AM
I'm not a partner of Flexkom but I went to a presentation and to me it doesn't sound like an MLM company, the structure is only temporary and 100% legal. They are launching a revolutionary app soon and advertisement in the whole world, so if they would be a scam, they would have stopped already a while ago, I think... I'm following a bit their moves because I think they will become a very big company next year...

Pig in a poke Pig in a poke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_in_a_poke)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The idioms pig in a poke and sell a pup (or buy a pup) refer to a confidence trick originating in the Late Middle Ages, when meat was scarce, but cats and dogs (puppies) were not.[1][2][3] The idiom pig in a poke can also simply refer to someone buying a low-quality pig in a bag because he or she did not carefully check what was in the bag.[4]


Etymology

The scheme entailed the sale of a suckling pig or pup in a poke (bag). The bag would actually contain a cat or dog (not particularly prized as a source of meat), which was sold to the victim in an unopened bag. The French idiom acheter (un) chat en poche (to buy a cat in a bag) refers to an actual sale of this nature, as do many European equivalents, while the English expression refers to the appearance of the trick.[5]
Relation to other idioms and expressions

The English colloquialisms such as turn out to be a pig in a poke or buy a pig in a poke mean that something is sold or bought without the buyer knowing its true nature or value, especially when buying without inspecting the item beforehand. The phrase can also be applied to accepting an idea or plan without a full understanding of its basis. Similar expressions exist in other European languages, most of them referring to the purchase of a cat in a bag.

The advice being given is 'don't buy a pig until you have seen it'. This is enshrined in British commercial law as 'caveat emptor' - Latin for 'let the buyer beware'. This remains the guiding principle of commerce in many countries and, in essence, supports the view that if you buy something you take responsibility to make sure it is what you intended to buy.

A poke is a sack or bag. It has a French origin as 'poque' and, like several other French words, its diminutive is formed by adding 'ette' or 'et' - hence 'pocket' began life with the meaning 'small bag'. Poke is still in use in several English-speaking countries, notably Scotland and the USA, and describes just the sort of bag that would be useful for carrying a piglet to market.

A pig that's in a poke might turn out to be no pig at all. If a merchant tried to cheat by substituting a lower value animal, the trick could be uncovered by letting the cat out of the bag. Many other European languages have a version of this phrase - most of them translating into English as a warning not to 'buy a cat in a bag'. The advice has stood the test of time and people have been repeating it in one form or the other for getting on for five hundred years, maybe longer.

HARRISON
07-20-2013, 02:00 AM
FlexKom is basically an electronic version of the old fashioned 'discount card'. Except that you have to BUY it in the first place and give OTHER retailers and customers discounts as well. Which pretty much decimates your profit margins. Effectively you are giving your retailer profits directly to FlexKom. Why would you want to do that?

Joe_Shmoe
08-07-2013, 12:09 PM
Here is Mr Ian Driscoll now scamming in Trinidad & Tobago. Remember him from a certain "Advertising" company?

He he "Advertising's a very difficult beast" :RpS_lol:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NyxaBZP5XQ

BlackCat
08-13-2013, 01:51 PM
I am completely staggered at the lack of any Due Diligence show by any of the comments here. I joined this because I truly thought that it was a group of clever astute individuals reviewing potential opportunities with a clear metric.
What exactly is the methodology that you use to decide if an opportunity is legitimate or a scam? All that I can see here is nonfactual conjecture, based upon nothing more than your personal dislike for what you have decided is erroneous.
Sad really when you think that you really did have an opportunity to evaluate in a professional manner which might have added value to or deterred people from joining. I would suggest that most intelligent people reading this will simply turn off.
Your community should be endorsing great opportunities and advising against real scams by presenting fact based on measurable, real and conclusive evidences.
FlexKom, who knows, I came here seeking advice, do or don’t do, you have failed me, so I shall continue to do my own research.
Ps, I will advise you what the outcome is……………
Due Diligence

Well, hello there mr. Driscoll! I could recognize anywhere your way of expressing yourself in the written word. Did you honestly think no-one would recognize this post as your handywork?

Daveyb73
08-14-2013, 03:06 PM
I don't know about it being a scam or not, but whatever it is it's not a good business idea.
I've just been to a presentation because someone I know was sucked in.
You sell terminals to and ask local shops (not chains) to give cash back on sales. I know lots of shopowners and they aren't going to spend £200-£500 for a terminal. The high street is dying so it's flawed because that's where the focus is. There are no online sales targeted, but that's where the growth is.
If it was so good, the "millionaires" behind it would employ a proper sales force and rake the cash in. They say it will make $300bn by 2016 then overtake Shell ($500bn it makes a year they say) as the world's biggest firm.
No one can believe that will happen. And the apps they say they'll give away along with the plastic cards aren't even on ITunes, where most people get apps from. As they'd say on Dragon's Den: "This isn't a proper business and the figures don't add up. I'm out!"
Oh, the cost of securing a franchise? £1,400. And you have to buy the cards and apps to give away! And from £1,400 you'll end up with £12k a month? If it were real and my business I'd be keeping it to myself and asking for proper investment! Doesn't add up. Figures are pulled from nowhere and by the end of the year they reckon they'll have 30m card holders or app users in the UK! Not that many Nectar card holders. 19m of them in the UK according to Nectar.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
08-17-2013, 02:50 PM
I don't know about it being a scam or not, but whatever it is it's not a good business idea.
I've just been to a presentation because someone I know was sucked in.
You sell terminals to and ask local shops (not chains) to give cash back on sales. I know lots of shopowners and they aren't going to spend £200-£500 for a terminal. The high street is dying so it's flawed because that's where the focus is. There are no online sales targeted, but that's where the growth is.
If it was so good, the "millionaires" behind it would employ a proper sales force and rake the cash in. They say it will make $300bn by 2016 then overtake Shell ($500bn it makes a year they say) as the world's biggest firm.
No one can believe that will happen. And the apps they say they'll give away along with the plastic cards aren't even on ITunes, where most people get apps from. As they'd say on Dragon's Den: "This isn't a proper business and the figures don't add up. I'm out!"
Oh, the cost of securing a franchise? £1,400. And you have to buy the cards and apps to give away! And from £1,400 you'll end up with £12k a month? If it were real and my business I'd be keeping it to myself and asking for proper investment! Doesn't add up. Figures are pulled from nowhere and by the end of the year they reckon they'll have 30m card holders or app users in the UK! Not that many Nectar card holders. 19m of them in the UK according to Nectar.

Great post full of common sense. You have hit the nail on the head. The key to whether "internet marketing" is real business or not lies in your comment. Who on earth would have a great idea and "share it" with a bunch of strangers, when they could do it any other way? (No one is stopping a great business from sharing its profits with its staff or charity- the real profits that is, after the accountants have done the books. ) They would take their idea to the bank (or even crowd funding), raise the money and start to sell and make profits. In fact that is what successful business owners have done through history.

Half of the promotion of internet marketing businesses that I have seen depend on the listener suspending common sense -. you know, the old saying, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true. Most people usually earn their living and pay their bills by working at a job. It is frequent that the more responsibility the job has, the more they earn. Innovators and genuine entrepreneurs succeed by working hard, having common sense, drive and, sometimes a bit of luck. Passive income is for investors. The rest is smoke and mirrors.

justlogicnohate
09-15-2013, 10:57 PM
Retailer pays $500 for the POS

justlogicnohate
09-15-2013, 11:01 PM
Ian did NOT promise anything. He made a mathematical example of how the compensation is paid.

justlogicnohate
09-15-2013, 11:42 PM
I think the issue with this is people are generally not that intelligent so they don't understand how FlexKom works. So in other words dumb people wont get it. That is why there are so many clueless people on this blog. The idea is just that time has come for the small businesses to have a way to unite. The technology unites the small business owners across the globe so they can compete with the large super companies including the e-commerce giants that are killing the business for the local retailers. This should be good news for all of us. But because you guys are on a witch hunt you don't see how brilliant this company is. I have seen the pos system in person and understand the model. The business will sign up the customers and it will be a free service for them. As a matter of fact it will benefit them without any charge.

justlogicnohate
09-16-2013, 12:09 AM
Wrong ! If that is how we sum things up then I could say the smart phone is just a sophisticated walkie talkie with a screen. The BIG point is the APP and the data mining that this company will do is mind boggling. They will know when and why and how anyone makes their purchases they will now what age they are how much they buy and when to send them deals on exactly what they want. It will all be tracked so when it is time for your hair cut you will get an offer. and It's more than that. It's a marketing system that can reach customers on their phones and it can reach them if they are in the area through geo targeting. It can reach thousands of customers with a recorded video message and have a time limit for the customer to take advantage of it. So if the baker wants to sell some cakes he baked that will expire he can reach his target audience in 10 seconds. What system do the retailers have that can do that now? The system also tracks the points a customer earns and over time they get prizes like Tv's and travel. People love cash back and they love prizes so it keeps them shopping from the FlexKom stores and restaurants. The retailer can use the system for free so they give the money they would have spent on marketing back to the customer. They also earn from, the customers they sign up to the system when they shop in other stores and that is how the retailers get chained up together in one big great network of stores. It is simply a brilliant system and a win win for everyone. The rep earns a matching income from the customers the stores sign. The customers can share the app and get free international phone calls for life after 10 shares and after that they get one flex money per app shared. They can then spend the money in a Flexkom location! pretty cool stuff. I have the app on my phone now. If anyone knew the cost of creating such an app they would understand this company is for real and not a cheezy MLM company.

justlogicnohate
09-16-2013, 12:37 AM
Great post full of common sense. You have hit the nail on the head. The key to whether "internet marketing" is real business or not lies in your comment. Who on earth would have a great idea and "share it" with a bunch of strangers, when they could do it any other way? (No one is stopping a great business from sharing its profits with its staff or charity- the real profits that is, after the accountants have done the books. ) They would take their idea to the bank (or even crowd funding), raise the money and start to sell and make profits. In fact that is what successful business owners have done through history.

Half of the promotion of internet marketing businesses that I have seen depend on the listener suspending common sense -. you know, the old saying, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true. Most people usually earn their living and pay their bills by working at a job. It is frequent that the more responsibility the job has, the more they earn. Innovators and genuine entrepreneurs succeed by working hard, having common sense, drive and, sometimes a bit of luck. Passive income is for investors. The rest is smoke and mirrors.

And then there is the multi billion dollar networking industry knowns as Multi level marketing and has several companies that have annual sales over 5 billion dollars. How is that not a factor in your equation? Avon Amway Nu Skin sell a lot of product. many many successful people have come out of that industry. So it is false to say that the way it should be done is by hiring a sales force. How much upfront does it cost to hire a sales force to sell in 50 countries in every city in those countries in the next 3 years? Do the math and tell me how long it would take FlexKom to get the infrastructure in place. To hire and train them? It would be impossible to reach that far that fast. It is brilliant to create a franchise model that builds the sales force with funding from the franchise owners. Look at McDonalds they sold the license to own a restaurant the license cost $45,000 for the license. So with your logic McDonlads should have hired manager and tried to grow the chain with their own funding. McDonalds would not be as big as they are had they chosen to not make it a franchise. We have a Hamburger Chain in California called "in and out" they have built their chain with their own money. Not a bad business but they are on fraction of what Mcdonalds is. FlexKom would be extremely limited in how fast they can grow if they had to fund the sales force out their own pockets. The intention is a world wide network in record time and it will happen. USA has 289 cities with over 100,000 population. Try to fund that roll out by hiring a sales force along with another 49 countries YEAH where is that money suppose to come from? Impossible! The biggest problem with a good idea no matter what it is, is funding. You have a new shoe and you get a million dollar order but you can't take the order because you don't have the money to produce it. This is simple business fundamentals. So create a system of the franchise owners pay for their training and the other cost fall on the independent reps they get exclusive rights to sell and build teams of sellers. It reaches all areas in the country fast with local reps that have relationships with the local retailers and you wait for critical mass and then they all hit the stores and give out the apps and boom it goes viral. This stuff may be out of peoples understanding since they are people that have been at a desk since they where 6 years old. It simply doesn't make sense for them. they are used to going to work for an entrepreneur he pays them just enough. tries to get as much as he can out of his money. We ask for permission to take time off and to take a break. Obedient workers shouldn't analyze a business model since they can only see their own world and not see it from an entrepreneurs side.

justlogicnohate
09-16-2013, 12:55 AM
This is the link to the original story which came out few days ago. Zaman newspapers has approx 1 million of sales per day in Turkey so it's proper news outfit in Turkey. I have translated the news into English using google translate.

I am sure people can contact the editor to get more information, this verifies clear fraud by the company and people are taking them to court.

Türkiye?de tutunamayan Flexkom rotay? Avrupa?daki gurbetçiye çevirdi - ZAMAN
ABDULKADİR CEMBEKLİ, İSMAİL ÇEVİK ISTANBUL BERLIN
Collects money by promise, and many members of the investigation was opened on the Flexkom now headed for expats. Investigation by public prosecutors in Turkey undergoing restructuring in many cities in Europe, "a month can earn 32 thousand euros." Rhetoric began to look for members.

Felicity chain-type structures, attracting the attention of people who want to make money the easy way every time. However, the chain breaks, leaving the victims behind. Members who are misled by promises are not fulfilled promises plenty of disappointment and disillusionment. Genghis collects approximately 40 million pounds of money market Flexkom Ehliz'in structuring, formation activities in Turkey, European countries have shifted to members having trouble finding emerged. Especially after the Prosecutor's Office investigations of the European expatriates senior executives have resigned Flexkom'un target.

****Founded and based in Konya collects money from the market Flexkom 40 million pounds, expatriates in Turkey in European countries when it comes to new member registration came to a halt. Approximately 30 thousand members of the victims allegedly complained about the chain of Ankara, Konya, Kayseri and Adana, especially in many cities had been investigated by the Public Prosecutor's Office. These investigations came to a halt after login force the remaining structure. Senior executives of the association, claiming Genghis Ehliz'in resigned themselves defrauded.

****Began operations in Europe and the founder of the Ehliz'in structure formation on the situation in the European wing of the effort to enlarge the sources said. Structure in 7 countries in Europe, especially in Germany and the Netherlands who choose to base continued work and was determined to act against the Turks, expatriates living here. Genghis learned previously worked in Germany, six network marketing company Ehliz'in files from these companies is quite fluffy. IQ Concept in 2008 with the promise to implement the project, including the name of the German network of about three thousand people have been claimed to be the victim of Ehliz Germany, where more than 100 criminal complaint alleges. IQ Concept 3 million euros in Germany with network firm collects money that Michael had met in 2008 with the Ehliz Kipke, lived, said: "We found a very nice promises. IQ Concept and customer discount cards, bonus cards as well as mention a very nice ideas. About 3 thousand 500 entity has signed a cooperation agreement. Concept is a financial advisor in 2007-2008 took over the company and founded IQ. Introductory meetings held in various places. Between 500 and 2000 euros for membership of the participants received a contribution. Carried out a large opening in 2009. But it failed to fulfill its promises. "Kipke said that the people in the system with great enthusiasm," despite the promises made opening kept. Sometimes I have a problem with the system, and sometimes put off claiming internet connections. IQ Concept, Genghis was never made by Ehliz. The biggest disappointment of the cards was the people when they return home. Now realized that swindled. "He said.

****Many people who are members of restructuring the public prosecution had made similar claims in his criminal complaint. Flexkom members stating that Turkey fulfilled the promises made to them promises, deceived in this way all the time and telling postponed 'serious fraud' filed a criminal complaint was made on the grounds.

DISCLAIMER: The published columns / news Feza Gazetecilik All rights reserved. Even if the source columns / news all can be used without special permission. This is the only time the news or newspaper article cite using the data provided by the RSS.


The Fettullah islamic organization is behind the Zaman Daily and they wanted 50% of FlexKom in return for 40 million customers which was turned down. Now the Fetullah organization is trying to put FlexKom out of business by doing s smear campaign and other dirty tricks and it is not working. After some set backs, a tech issue and having to deal with attempted extortion FlexKom is still doing well in Turkey and will be unstoppable in the rest of the world because FlexKom time is here.

justlogicnohate
09-16-2013, 04:39 AM
http://youtu.be/fIDqngZhrCc

pachita
09-16-2013, 07:37 AM
Hello, I'm Italian and I wanted to have news of new Flexkom. Does anyone know if it is a scam or is it an opportunity?? Thanks to those who want to respond

ribshaw
09-16-2013, 07:46 AM
The Fettullah islamic organization is behind the Zaman Daily and they wanted 50% of FlexKom in return for 40 million customers which was turned down

Please substantiate this assertion, seems more of an MLM wive's tale passed from person to person. Surely there is a paper trail you can provide. Next you are going to tell us Harvard teaches MLM.

More importantly:


Ian did NOT promise anything. He made a mathematical example of how the compensation is paid.

Any idea how many failed Ponzi Schemes and questionable deals Ian has made "mathematical examples" in? In fact, you could ask all the heavies in Flexcon the same question. Maybe see how well all the folks they roped in to Banners Broker are doing with pretty numbers on a screen and no withdraws for almost a year.

If this was truly a revolutionary product, Flexcon would roll it out with venture capital, or similar, and a professional sales force like every other company. You would not have a bunch of folks like Ian Driscon who just a few months ago were peddling magic juice and ad panels. In fact since you seem so filled with logic, can provide a list of ventures Ian promoted where the masses did not end up losing a bunch of cash?

So far all we have behind the hype is a recruiting scheme in pre launch.

freighttrain
09-16-2013, 08:54 AM
According to the Turkish Flexkom website (http://flexkom.com.tr/Kobi/KobiAramaDetay?id=3766-tac-perde), there are 3700 shops wich accept Flexkom. (check the ID numbers of the shops. They are cumulative. Highest number is 3766) According to Obtainer (nov. 2012) (http://www.obtainer-online.com/news/en/flexkom-gaining-importance-in-turkey.html), there are 43000 people who have paid the fee and are, more or less, working for flexkom (the so called licence holders). That gives us for about 0.09 shops per person working for Flexkom! In the figures mentioned in every Flexkom presentation, they speak of 5 to 10 shops per licence holder. That would mean that you earn 50 to 100 times less than they tell you!

But, that is only one figure in the maths of Flexkom. One other important figure is the average amount of people who shop at this Flexkom shops. In the presentations, they speak of 1000 to 10.000 customers/month. We can assume that this figure is, in reality, also lower than Flexkom assumes. How much lower? Well, according to this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bOVcoOLc1c) (arount 6m) there have been 3 customers in total who used their Flexkom card in January 2013. Three customers! Oh my, that is a bit lower than we'd anticipated!

Would an avarage of 0.09 shops times 3 customers a month be enough to make more money than you've paid for Flexkom? I doubt it.

Joe_Shmoe
09-16-2013, 11:03 AM
Retailer pays $500 for the POS

What is POS short for? Piece Of **** I suspect :RpS_wink:

freighttrain
09-16-2013, 11:20 AM
POS stands for Point Of Sale. In reality this is a cheap 7" Android tablet of an unknown brand/manufacturer. Costs maybe 50 dollars to purchase in China. Put a flexkom sticker on it and call it POS 3 and suddenly its worth 500 bucks.

ribshaw
09-16-2013, 11:22 AM
there are 43000 people who have paid the fee and are, more or less, working for flexkom (the so called licence holders). That gives us for about 0.09 shops per person working for Flexkom! Would an avarage of 0.09 shops times 3 customers a month be enough to make more money than you've paid for Flexkom? I doubt it.

Welcome, very well said, in fact I would say you nailed it.

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The only people making money in these deals are the ones with a big list of people to recruit.

justlogicnohate
09-16-2013, 12:51 PM
Hello, I'm Italian and I wanted to have news of new Flexkom. Does anyone know if it is a scam or is it an opportunity?? Thanks to those who want to respond


In here you will find all the negative. So to find out the real story you have to look in other places:

1. The idea. The idea is brilliant! Creating one system for all small businesses on the planet. But with a twist. Pay the businesses when customers shop elsewhere to allow the businesses to share profits and reach with each other.

2. The technology. Do they have it? Go to itunes app store and search for the FlexKom App you can download it now. Watch the video of the terminal I shot in New port Beach CA it shows the terminal doing some actual transactions. To create an app and to get it accepted on Itunes is costly and you have to go through a strict process. This means FlexKom spent a great deal of money on it's creation. Why would they go through the trouble? They could just say we will have it soon. App Dev 101: How Can You Guarantee Your App Will Be Accepted Into the App Store? - YouTube (http://youtu.be/b8HnwYfwhfg)

3. The 4 locations that FlexKom has offices. Why not send someone who is in the area to an office to meet the people who work for FlexKom? I was in Vegas and toured the offices there. Huge space not cheap. Scams don't want to spend money on offices they usually have fake adresses or short term office leasing. To get an office like the one in Vegas you have sign and long term lease which cost a lot of money and you are obligated to pay out the full term which could be 3-5 years or more not a good idea if you are a scam.

4. Awards from other organizations FlexKom International was awarded the Seal of Quality Certificate from EBCON (http://www.flexkomfranchise.net/flexkom-blog/flexkom-international-was-awarded-the-seal-of-quality-certificate-from-ebcon)
and representation by a reputable law firm Baker & McKenzie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_%26_McKenzie)

5. It wont be long now that FlexKom will go into 3rd phase in more countries and all stores will be active in many areas. If you have doubt then wait until then. But check and see how many licenses are available where you live because when they have the amount of sales reps they need they will stop selling the license. Austria is sold out UK is sold out in some areas. No more for sale period. So if you miss it you miss it forever.

Good luck!

Joe_Shmoe
09-16-2013, 01:11 PM
Mark Stokes seems to have gone cold on FlexKom (after pimping it pretty hard) & moved onto scams anew.

So one can only assume even the top pimps see no future in FlexKom.

HARRISON
09-16-2013, 01:19 PM
Flexkom asks retailers to buy a license. There are only so many of these licenses available within a set perimeter. The retailer pays heavily for a terminal, POS and Flexkom cards that the retailer can give out (or charge for) so that those same customers can spend in other shops within the same perimeter in order to obtain a discount.
The discount can be anything the retailer chooses.
For instance. In this 'perimeter' there maybe a baker, a hairdresser and a butcher who all belong to Flexkom.
They all give out cards to there customers, who in turn visit the baker/hairdresser/butcher for a discount.

So the retailers are joining Flexkom in order to give each other a discount for purchases the customer would already make.
Local people will always shop locally and spend a percentage locally.
The ATV on these purchases will be low.

The retailers concerned would all be independent traders on very low margins. (Major store chains won't touch Flexkom. There profit margins are low enough already).
And when the retailers run out of cards, they have to purchase more.

Flexkom then take a percentage of the profits in a really complicated mathmatical equation. ( I'll post that later)

They are playing on Retailers fears that the Internet will put them out of business. It features heavily in there advertising. But giving all your hard earned profits away to Flexkom in the hope that someone will buy a loaf of bread from the bakers and give you a mere fraction back of what you have already spent is surely not the most sensible way to do this.

Joe_Shmoe
09-16-2013, 01:46 PM
Austria is sold out UK is sold out in some areas. No more for sale period. So if you miss it you miss it forever.



I'll take that chance. :RpS_smile:

ribshaw
09-16-2013, 02:26 PM
4. Awards from other organizations FlexKom International was awarded the Seal of Quality Certificate from EBCON (http://www.flexkomfranchise.net/flexkom-blog/flexkom-international-was-awarded-the-seal-of-quality-certificate-from-ebcon)
and representation by a reputable law firm Baker & McKenzie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_%26_McKenzie)

I do hope you stick around and set the record straight about this great opportunity. Can you elaborate on the Seal of Quality Certificate and all the organizations past and present that have qualified for this prestigious award. So far I found two references to EBCON under an image search, this impressive plaque:

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And this reference linking back to Empower Network, the other next greatest bestest in the world opportunity that all the same pimps are pushing.

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And is this the law firm that you are so proud of? Law Firm Baker McKenzie Sued For $600 Million - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2011/04/11/law-firm-baker-mckenzie-sued-for-600-million/)

5860

Enron, Arthur Anderson, Bernie Madoff and the most vile criminals in the world can find an attorney.

HARRISON
09-16-2013, 04:38 PM
I do hope you stick around and set the record straight about this great opportunity. Can you elaborate on the Seal of Quality Certificate and all the organizations past and present that have qualified for this prestigious award. So far I found two references to EBCON under an image search, this impressive plaque:

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And this reference linking back to Empower Network, the other next greatest bestest in the world opportunity that all the same pimps are pushing.

5859

And is this the law firm that you are so proud of? Law Firm Baker McKenzie Sued For $600 Million - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2011/04/11/law-firm-baker-mckenzie-sued-for-600-million/)

5860

Enron, Arthur Anderson, Bernie Madoff and the most vile criminals in the world can find an attorney.


...but which EBCON is it? There are two. A real one. And a 'not so real' one.

freighttrain
09-16-2013, 05:43 PM
...but which EBCON is it? There are two. A real one. And a 'not so real' one.

Both are fake. They belong to Stehpan Kletsch, a close friend of the Flexkom management. They are fake companies or associations, purely found to so call award malicious companies. Look up mr. Kletsch of EBCON on Google and you'll know enough.

ribshaw
09-16-2013, 06:14 PM
...but which EBCON is it? There are two. A real one. And a 'not so real' one.

Freighttrain is right best I can see, these are page 1 and 2 GOOGLE search results:

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And this from the Flexcom Facebook Page, the well RENOUNCED firm. Proper word selection = NOT IMPORTANT IN MLM press releases

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And here are the prestigious certificates they have purchased. Sort of like the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval except meaningless.


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Notably absent from the bona fides is the "Ribshaw you can be sheriff for a day star"!!! That alone gives most people pause.

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ribshaw
09-16-2013, 08:14 PM
These are two interesting blog posts related to the google search on Stehpan Kletsch. I had not heard of Lyoness until a few minutes ago, but it appears Flexcom is very similar. According to the second blog, Asker Sakinmaz is known to be one of the directors of Lyoness and may be a founder of Flexcom.



FlexKom: the new Lyoness?

As more and more of our readers understand and accept that Lyoness is a pernicious lie, designed to scam millions of consumers and small and medium sized enterprises out of billions of euros, we are asked with an increased frequency what we think of other 'companies', operating similar 'business models'.

From the very start of the Complaint Centre, we have decided that our focus lays primarily on Lyoness. Whilst acknowledging that there is a long list of similar frauds operated at this time (usually with a differing disguise), we also acknowledge that others, with more experience and more knowledge on the subject, are better suited to provide a comprehensive overview of this type of scam. Therefore, for a full overview of the phenomenon of income opportunity racketeering, we would like to refer our readers to the excellent Blog of Mr David Brear.

However, every now and then a scam pops up and catches our attention, because it is just so darn similar to Lyoness. FlexKom is such a scam.

We have reported earlier that we expect the racketeers behind Lyoness to come up with a new front for their never-ending scam, much in the way like they have dealt with the problems faced earlier by GTS and Galvagin, which eventually produced Lyoness. From that perspective, we are inclined to investigate and report about scams that operate in a freakishly similar manner as Lyoness, with a near-identical disguise to cover up the fraud.

More and more readers have recently brought FlexKom to our attention, and have directed us to on-going debates on various internet fora (2, 3, etc), as well as social media, about FlexKom. For the readers who are unfamiliar with this name, we will provide a brief introduction of the 'company' below.

FlexKom is a 'company' founded, allegedly, in 2010, by either Cengiz Ehliz and/or Asker Sakinmaz, which are both presented as current CEO of the 'company', most probably because they are supposed to represent different divisions of the 'company'. It claims to be some sort of a franchise provider, supplying its partners (which pay about 1500 euros for a 'gold package') with the right to enrol shops into the network, sell them the special FlexKom machines (for about 400 euros), which functions as a reader for the FlexKom cards. The enrolled shops then have the right to issue FlexKom cards to their customers, with the promise that the cardholders will get discounts on their purchases at FlexKom-affiliated shops, and the shops are promised a percentage in commission over the purchases made by the cardholders at every FlexKom-affiliated company. Naturally, the earnings exponentially increase as soon as new partners and shops are brought in.

FlexKom, founded by people with a seemingly Turkish background, chose Turkey as its 'test-market', to see whether the system would function the way it was expected to. According to FlexKom, it did (which is why a long list of countries have now been 'opened' by FlexKom; i.e. FlexKom partners can now be signed up there). According to the Turkish partners, media and authorities, it did not.

We found it quite interesting to see that so much vagueness exists about this 'company', which self-reports to be an extremely reliable business partner. For instance, we have seen claims that this 'company' operated an MLM-system, as well as fanatical debates where FlexKom denies to have anything to do with MLM. The company appears to be Turkish, but is most often claimed to be from Germany - yet is registered in Switzerland. Also, many of the national divisions, presented as if they were incorporated and registered at the local chambers of commerce, are not findable in the company registers of these local chambers of commerce.

Both Cengiz Ehliz and Asker Sakinmaz are not officially attached to the Swiss corporation registered under the name 'FlexKom International Holding AG'. Instead, the two names currently attached to this holding (as managers and founders) are Hasan Süslu and Guido Gmür. About Süslu, nothing much is publicly available. About Gmür, however, one can find a little bit more. According to Moneyhouse, Gmür has worked for about 13 companies, amongst which is First Tax AG, registered on the same address as the FlexKom headquarters. Observant readers may remember that this is the company of which Lyoness co-founder and tax and bankruptcy expert Iwan J. Ackermann is the co-founder and CEO.

As we have argued earlier, the people behind Lyoness have previously been responsible for organising GTS (Erin Trade) and Galvagin - at least - and apparently managed to get away with running those scams by setting up shell corporations in various countries and moving assets around until they were no longer traceable for anyone looking for them. As it seems, this is the way they have managed to found Lyoness without anyone frowning upon the intentions of the Lyoness founders.

We understand that we should be cautious in what we write here, as the exact details and sequence of events are difficult to mimic, mainly due to the lack of information publicly available. However, it does look an awful lot like the same people that managed to transfer Galvagin into Lyoness, and continue their scam under a different name, are now in the process of doing the same for FlexKom. It definitely looks like FlexKom being the long-awaited successor of Lyoness, through which the people behind Lyoness can continue to the scam the world. If not, FlexKom is an extremely similar copy (again, there is 'cash back', the higher ranked adherents become first 'leaders' and then member of the 'President's Team', etc.) of the Lyoness racket and the people interested in running the FlexKom scam at least appear to have hired the same people to cover up their fraud.

Complaint Centre Lyoness: FlexKom: the new Lyoness? (http://cc-lyoness.blogspot.com/2013/07/flexkom-new-lyoness.html)

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FLEXKOM, a multilevel marketing company is now in Kenya. But is this a scam or is it a legit business? If you have been involved in selling GNLD products or other MLM related products, then you’ll know perfectly well how FLEXKOM works

The Egyptian pyramids have always had something mystical about them. People have had difficulties explaining how exactly they were built, yet they persisted longer than most buildings in the world and most of them are in fact still there. . This new MLM opportunity- FLEXKOM, will provide you with a similar pyramid mystery. Unlike the Pyramids in Egypt, FlexiKom has SCAM written all over it!

I read an article somewhere in a local blog which had this very attractive opening paragraph:

FLEXKOM IS THE NEXT BIG THING: a world wide mega mall which is allying retail shops with online commerce to make a heady brew. Flexkom is using all the latest technologies to create a unique shopping experience. Launching in 50 countries soon, this company is going to take the world by storm

Before you think about joining this FLEXKOM thing, carry out some research on your own. Find out where else (which other countries) they are doing their business in.
ceklerimiz 389x520 FlexKom now in Kenya! Scam or Legitimate??

Some folks pausing for a photo with big FLEXKOM chaques. Apparently, these cheques were not paid!

FlexKom is a ‘company’ founded, allegedly, in 2010, by either Cengiz Ehliz and/or Asker Sakinmaz, which are both presented as current CEO of the ‘company’, most probably because they are supposed to represent different divisions of the ‘company’. It claims to be some sort of a franchise provider, supplying its partners (which pay about 1500 Euros- about 175,000 Ksh for a ‘gold package’) with the right to enroll shops into the network, sell them the special FlexKom machines (for about 400 euros- 47,000 Ksh), which functions as a reader for the FlexKom cards.

The enrolled shops then have the right to issue FlexKom cards to their customers, with the promise that the cardholders will get discounts on their purchases at FlexKom-affiliated shops, and the shops are promised a percentage in commission over the purchases made by the cardholders at every FlexKom-affiliated company. Naturally, the earnings exponentially increase as soon as new partners and shops are brought in.

Asker Sakinmaz is known to be one of the directors of Lyoness- a pyramid scheme that collapsed and went down the drain making numerous people loose their hard earned cash

In Turkey, FLEXKOM is currently dealing with some fraud cases. Poeple lost money. Some even sold their valuables so that they can enroll in the ’gold package’. One person said that he sold his car so that he can get his wife the GOLD package- 15,000 USD- Thats about 1.3M Shs.

FlexKom have apparently been accredited by EBCON (EBCON Europäische Verbraucherberatung ::: Unabhängig Objektiv Kompetent (http://www.ebcon.net/)), not to be confused with EBCON (Home - EBCON - Economy Banking Consulting - European Business Club (http://en.ebcon-club.eu/)) Their president Stefan Kletsch awarded them on stage.
But who are EBCON? According to alexa.com they get almost zero web traffic, despite apparently being a pan-European consumer advocacy body .

The EBCON certification indeed seems valueless, much like the certificates Lyoness is holding (although those were at least issued by somewhat ‘impressive’ agencies. We have also received an anonymous tip stating that FlexKom claims to hold a certificate of the European Consumer Centre, but the ECC does not issue any type of certification and has never looked at FlexKom.

FlexKom now in Kenya! Scam or Legitimate?? (http://www.nairobiexposed.com/2013/08/10/flexikom-now-in-kenya-scam-or-legitimate/)

freighttrain
09-17-2013, 03:59 AM
In here you will find all the negative. So to find out the real story you have to look in other places:Let me guess. For some good, reliable information one has to visit one of the Flexkom meetings?


1. The idea. The idea is brilliant! Creating one system for all small businesses on the planet. But with a twist. Pay the businesses when customers shop elsewhere to allow the businesses to share profits and reach with each other.

Calling your own ideal brilliant is a bit awkward, but that's my opinion. But, you do realize that this sharing of profits really means that a shop owner has to pay another shop owner if he serves a customer of this other shop? On top of that, the businesses have to fund an entire piramid of people in the so called upline. Why would the small and mid-size business want to pay millions and millions of dollars each month of residual income to people who have done little more than signing them up with this system?


2. The technology. Do they have it? Go to itunes app store and search for the FlexKom App you can download it now. Watch the video of the terminal I shot in New port Beach CA it shows the terminal doing some actual transactions. To create an app and to get it accepted on Itunes is costly and you have to go through a strict process. This means FlexKom spent a great deal of money on it's creation. Why would they go through the trouble? They could just say we will have it soon. App Dev 101: How Can You Guarantee Your App Will Be Accepted Into the App Store? - YouTube (http://youtu.be/b8HnwYfwhfg)

Remind you that among the most populair apps are the apps that make fart sounds. Really funny, but not expensive to make. Also, it took months afther the initial release to get the main function of the Flexkom App working. What this function is? VOIP. Revolutionary. Now you can make calls with your smartphone! (sarcasm mode). But really, have you tried to pay with the app in Turkye shops yet? Oh wait.. The app is not available in Turkye..


3. The 4 locations that FlexKom has offices. Why not send someone who is in the area to an office to meet the people who work for FlexKom? I was in Vegas and toured the offices there. Huge space not cheap. Scams don't want to spend money on offices they usually have fake adresses or short term office leasing. To get an office like the one in Vegas you have sign and long term lease which cost a lot of money and you are obligated to pay out the full term which could be 3-5 years or more not a good idea if you are a scam.
Its funny that you mention Vegas. Gambling is legal in Vegas. Most contries define piramid schemes as (mostly illegal) gambling. Also, scams make millions of dollars. With that money, one can easly rent a piece of office somewhere. Stating that Flexkom is not a scam BECAUSE of the offices they rent, is a bit silly if you ask me.



4. Awards from other organizations FlexKom International was awarded the Seal of Quality Certificate from EBCON (http://www.flexkomfranchise.net/flexkom-blog/flexkom-international-was-awarded-the-seal-of-quality-certificate-from-ebcon)
and representation by a reputable law firm Baker & McKenzie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_%26_McKenzie)

EBCON is fake as you can see. Also, the most crooked villains have the most expensive lawyers. A serial murderer gets lots of attention in the media. So, to be the lawyer of a serial killer gets you some nice attention, too. Not that Flexkom is killing people, but I think you know what I mean.


5. But check and see how many licenses are available where you live because when they have the amount of sales reps they need they will stop selling the license. Austria is sold out UK is sold out in some areas. No more for sale period. So if you miss it you miss it forever.!
Classic scam method. Get in now, pay now or you'll be too late!

littleroundman
09-17-2013, 04:15 AM
To get an office like the one in Vegas you have sign and long term lease which cost a lot of money and you are obligated to pay out the full term which could be 3-5 years or more not a good idea if you are a scam.

Umm,

somehow I don't think a scammer who has just ripped off a few million dollars is going to be worried about breaking a lease agreement, do you ???

Nice try, though.

justlogicnohate
09-19-2013, 07:08 PM
I do hope you stick around and set the record straight about this great opportunity. Can you elaborate on the Seal of Quality Certificate and all the organizations past and present that have qualified for this prestigious award. So far I found two references to EBCON under an image search, this impressive plaque:

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And this reference linking back to Empower Network, the other next greatest bestest in the world opportunity that all the same pimps are pushing.

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And is this the law firm that you are so proud of? Law Firm Baker McKenzie Sued For $600 Million - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2011/04/11/law-firm-baker-mckenzie-sued-for-600-million/)

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Enron, Arthur Anderson, Bernie Madoff and the most vile criminals in the world can find an attorney.

Does this blogger "ribhsaw" have any idea of how the FlexKom system works? So the readers can know he is qualified to give them advice on the company? Or is he just a guy who goes out to find anything negative he can find to cast doubt on a company? That is pretty easy to do it doesn't take much, just enter "COMPANY" And "LAWSUIT" into google search take the link and post here. Nothing to it. Instead it would be interesting if he looked at the model and had comments on the technology pay structure or even system. Challenge the actual business model. But as many of the negative posters here on these boards do, they just do what any idiot can do....search, cut and paste. I do hope people see through that ridiculous waste of energy and time.

Why not respond to this. If "ribshaw owned a company, a store or a restaurant and wanted to send out a marketing message for free to their clients today about a special they have tonight with an offer that expires tonight straight to their text message with a video. What system is available to accomplish that? If they wanted to reward their best customers for spending money at their place frequently what system is in place that can do that? If that store wanted to reach only women ages 35-45 with a video to their smart phone what system is in place that can do that? And then that same system would track their customers so they would earn income from customers shopping in other places. What system on this planet is able to do that? Lets see what "ribshaw" has to say.... What system is out there that the small stores can use to keep up with the bigger chain stores in loyalty system cash back etc. Nothing I have seen. Have you the reader seen anything that you like yet? Please tell me I would like to know. Do you still get those cards that you have to bring back to get a stamp on it or have them clip it?

NikSam
09-19-2013, 07:32 PM
If "ribshaw owned a company, a store or a restaurant and wanted to send out a marketing message for free to their clients today about a special they have tonight with an offer that expires tonight straight to their text message with a video. What system is available to accomplish that? If they wanted to reward their best customers for spending money at their place frequently what system is in place that can do that? If that store wanted to reach only women ages 35-45 with a video to their smart phone what system is in place that can do that? And then that same system would track their customers so they would earn income from customers shopping in other places. What system on this planet is able to do that? ...


It is called facebook, Einstein,


And you would not need a freaking MLM-Scam attached on top of it, if you just needed those features.

justlogicnohate
09-19-2013, 08:04 PM
Let me guess. For some good, reliable information one has to visit one of the Flexkom meetings?

Here is another blogger "freighttrain". What a piece or work we have here. Yes absolutely it's a good idea for a person who wants to get information to go to a FlexKom meeting and ask the tough questions. Where else would be a good place? If I wanted to buy a BMW should I go to Jaguar to ask them how the BMW's are? Now what "freighttrain" does do is he goes to the public bathroom and reads the walls for his information and then starts posting and saying look what I can do I can search on google. But I am to lazy to analyze the business model or attend a meeting. BUT I am the expert still because I am so smart I don't have to know jack about the system or company I got MY information from the stall I just pissed in.


Calling your own ideal brilliant is a bit awkward, but that's my opinion. But, you do realize that this sharing of profits really means that a shop owner has to pay another shop owner if he serves a customer of this other shop? On top of that, the businesses have to fund an entire piramid of people in the so called upline. Why would the small and mid-size business want to pay millions and millions of dollars each month of residual income to people who have done little more than signing them up with this system?

Finally a logical question was asked. Why would the business want to pay for the service? Why would a business pay Groupon? (groupon usually doesn't make the business any money) The business will be sending out marketing to customers and creating it's own discounts and offers. They decide how much to offer and when. So for instance if a restaurant has a slow night and they could use more customers that night they may want to send out an offer that attracts the customers to his place. Is it a new idea that marketing costs money? Does it matter where the money goes? Or does it matter how much they spend and then how much they make? So the blogger "freighttrain is trying to take you attention to who gets paid. Thats like saying why would a businesses want to spend millions on flyers and postage to companies that are making money printing and sending flyers? Because they work would be a good answer. But in todays world flyers do not work anymore. what works is apps and smart phone marketing. So the answer is because it works. The other small detail the blogger "freighttrain" doesn't want to you to think about is we include the business in the pay plan when they sign up their customers to the system we pay them too. So now the businesses are making money as well. is "freighttrain" going to suggest that the business has an issue with making money from when their customers shop elsewhere? What FlexKom does is takes the expense of marketing and turns it into an income. So no money is paid until they get the money from the customer. The customer you are asking why would they pay FlexKom. That customer wouldn't be in their store unless they got the marketing message from the system itself. So the bottom line here is "freighttrain" simply doesn't get it, this blogger knows very little about the subject he tries to advice you on. Just the idea that "freighttrain" thinks FlexKom was my idea is sad. On top of that his mind is backwards, instead of looking at what is in it for him he looks first at what others are making and then he says I will not have anyone make money off me that will not happen. "freighttrain" is just a cho cho train I am afraid.


Remind you that among the most populair apps are the apps that make fart sounds. Really funny, but not expensive to make. Also, it took months afther the initial release to get the main function of the Flexkom App working. What this function is? VOIP. Revolutionary. Now you can make calls with your smartphone! (sarcasm mode). But really, have you tried to pay with the app in Turkye shops yet? Oh wait.. The app is not available in Turkye..
Its funny that you mention Vegas. Gambling is legal in Vegas. Most contries define piramid schemes as (mostly illegal) gambling. Also, scams make millions of dollars. With that money, one can easly rent a piece of office somewhere. Stating that Flexkom is not a scam BECAUSE of the offices they rent, is a bit silly if you ask me.

Bla bla bla again a clear sign of this blogger "freighttrain" not making any sense. What does gambling and office space have to do with each other? The offices in Las Vegas NV are 10,000 SQ feet. Here in the USA your commercial leases are usually 3-5 years long. The rate is around $1.50 per square foot in henderson $15,000 a month times 3 years = 1/2 million dollar commitment at least. The point you would need understand here is you can verify the address you can phone the building and find out how they do their leases and then you can see that maybe if a company is planning on being around and doing real business maybe they would go for a big space just like the one in NV and invest a little more for the future growth of FlexKom. SCAM's have a tendency to not want to waste money on rent. And there we are again responding to this garbage is not my favorite use of time but it's sometimes necessary since bloggers like "freighttrain" take their useless efforts so seriously I guess it's just what we have to do.


EBCON is fake as you can see. Also, the most crooked villains have the most expensive lawyers. A serial murderer gets lots of attention in the media. So, to be the lawyer of a serial killer gets you some nice attention, too. Not that Flexkom is killing people, but I think you know what I mean.

"freighttrain" again just bathroom wall stuff. Call them and ask them if they are fake Organisation-Strategy - EBCON - Economy Banking Consulting - European Business Club (http://en.ebcon-club.eu/Content/Organisation-Strategy/1/)



Classic scam method. Get in now, pay now or you'll be too late![/QUOTE]

Classic scam blogger lazy and low IQ. Don't fall for this useless stuff

justlogicnohate
09-19-2013, 08:54 PM
Flexkom asks retailers to buy a license. no they dont


There are only so many of these licenses available within a set perimeter. So this blogger still doesn't understand how it works,


The retailer pays heavily for a terminal, POS and Flexkom cards
in USA it's $500 for terminal apps are free.


that the retailer can give out (or charge for) so that those same customers can spend in other shops within the same perimeter in order to obtain a discount. True! But what does the perimeter mean?
The discount can be anything the retailer chooses.

For instance. In this 'perimeter' there maybe a baker, a hairdresser and a butcher who all belong to Flexkom.
They all give out cards to there customers, who in turn visit the baker/hairdresser/butcher for a discount.

Missing a BIG point here. Not only each others customers. Not all businesses will be part of FlexKom but huge amount of customers will so there will be a inflow of new customers the business has not seen before. we don't live in a box.


So the retailers are joining Flexkom in order to give each other a discount for purchases the customer would already make.
Local people will always shop locally and spend a percentage locally.
The ATV on these purchases will be low.

This is just stupid! Then non of these business would need to do any marketing or sales. This blogger is just stupid.


The retailers concerned would all be independent traders on very low margins. (Major store chains won't touch Flexkom. There profit margins are low enough already).
And when the retailers run out of cards, they have to purchase more.
If they run out of cards it would then be apperant they are making good money from the cards the y gave out and they would be eager to buy more.
FlexKOm does not want to large stores they are focused on the small retailers.


Flexkom then take a percentage of the profits in a really complicated mathematical equation. ( I'll post that later) LOL complicated for this blogger exactly. And that pretty much hits the nail on the head. It is simply to complicated for this blogger to understand.

[QUOTE=HARRISON;60768 They are playing on Retailers fears that the Internet will put them out of business. It features heavily in there advertising. But giving all your hard earned profits away to Flexkom in the hope that someone will buy a loaf of bread from the bakers and give you a mere fraction back of what you have already spent is surely not the most sensible way to do this.[/QUOTE]

So now FlexKom will be also scamming the retailers as this blogger is concerned that FlexKOm is playing on the retailers fears and not trying to scam the franchise buyers. So which is it. Are they trying to scam the people buying the license or are they trying to scam the retailers? So seems like this blogger simply doesn't believe the model more than thinking it's a scam. And that is fair enough time will tell.

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 12:21 AM
It is called facebook, Einstein,


And you would not need a freaking MLM-Scam attached on top of it, if you just needed those features.

This blogger "Niksam" thinks Facebook is an effective way to bring customers to a business.

Ok so ask yourself how many stores you are following on Facebook.

How many restaurants are you following on Facebook?

How many times did you go to a small business after seeing it on Facebook?

How many local deals did you go to get from Facebook.

This shows you how little "Niksam" ACTUALLY know about effective marketing. How many times have you said PLEASE let me follow you on Facebok local restaurant pleeeeaaase!

How many times have you been asked when going to dinner at your neighborhood restaurant if you can follow them on Facebook? 1, 2 or 3 And how eager are you to follow them? How about 0%

So maybe "Niksam" can find something that provides "those features" and post it here at some point.

Here is a list incase you need to cross refrence


System that can reach customers on their smart phones text messaging through an app
Terminal that can read RFID, NFC, QR CODE, FINGER PRINT AND BAR CODE. That generates a QR code. Touch screen
A terminal that can offer the customer a time sensitive reward at the point of sale based on knowing the customer needs at that particular time based on historical data
A system that over time tracks the points a customer gets and rewards the customer with a prize The reward credited to the store that sign them up. A loyalty system that works all over the world so that the points can be rewarded for everything they do anywhere. Not just one yougurt shop or coffee shop but small stores all over the world.
A system that allows a small business to create a free e commerce website where they can participate in e-commrce to their own clients internationally
A way for the business to earn from their customers when they shop in other stores
A way for the small business to earn money when their customers shop online
Away to reach customres who are in the area through geo targeting who express they are looking for what they are selling
And all those features for a 1 time fee of $500.


Go ahead Mr. "Niksam.....waiting....waiting.....waiting

littleroundman
09-20-2013, 12:32 AM
If "ribshaw owned a company, a store or a restaurant and wanted to send out a marketing message for free to their clients today about a special they have tonight with an offer that expires tonight straight to their text message with a video. What system is available to accomplish that?

I don't know about where you are, but, here we call that "spam" and very few people receive it intentionally or willingly.

YMMV

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 01:33 AM
I don't know about where you are, but, here we call that "spam" and very few people receive it intentionally or willingly.

YMMV Its by request so we don't call it spam we call it service and the customer is receiving it only from the places it wants by request. The original store who signed them gets to communicate with them directly in return they have the loyalty prices LED TV, Dream Vacation, Car and more fair trade.

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 01:41 AM
I'll take that chance. :RpS_smile:

Most likely you aren't what FlexKom is looking for so don't worry you aren't missing out. FlexKom is clear that they are only looking for strong business to business sales people. I doubt you are that.

littleroundman
09-20-2013, 01:49 AM
Its by request so we don't call it spam we call it service and the customer is receiving it only from the places it wants by request. The original store who signed them gets to communicate with them directly in return they have the loyalty prices LED TV, Dream Vacation, Car and more fair trade.

Gee, you Americans are a funny lot.

Signing up to be spammed,

what next ???

HARRISON
09-20-2013, 01:50 AM
no they dont

So this blogger still doesn't understand how it works,


in USA it's $500 for terminal apps are free.

True! But what does the perimeter mean?
The discount can be anything the retailer chooses.


Missing a BIG point here. Not only each others customers. Not all businesses will be part of FlexKom but huge amount of customers will so there will be a inflow of new customers the business has not seen before. we don't live in a box.



This is just stupid! Then non of these business would need to do any marketing or sales. This blogger is just stupid.


If they run out of cards it would then be apperant they are making good money from the cards the y gave out and they would be eager to buy more.
FlexKOm does not want to large stores they are focused on the small retailers.

LOL complicated for this blogger exactly. And that pretty much hits the nail on the head. It is simply to complicated for this blogger to understand.



So now FlexKom will be also scamming the retailers as this blogger is concerned that FlexKOm is playing on the retailers fears and not trying to scam the franchise buyers. So which is it. Are they trying to scam the people buying the license or are they trying to scam the retailers? So seems like this blogger simply doesn't believe the model more than thinking it's a scam. And that is fair enough time will tell.

Really not impressed with you calling me 'stupid' JUSTLOGICNOHATE. Not a smart move.
For your information, MY information came from this email alongside lots of lovely brochures that I had put to one side. They are now at the top of my 'to do' list.


Good evening ****
Its ok, i'm not in the business of selling. It would just have been easier/quicker for me to tell you over the phone.

To answer your questions: (I have attached three pdfs which will answer all your questions)

Flexkom is a multi phase, multi concept business. E.N.D.F MODEL - E. Commerce. Franchise, Networking, Direct Sales. We are currently at the Networking phase. Let me explain..


1. Retail Licences are not for sale yet. We are currently building the Network in preparation for retail launch. (Networking)

Currently we are only offering Global Franchise Licences which cost €1269 until 1st May. These allow the holder to build a sub network and this system helps build the network quickly. This process helped Flexkom gain 30,000 partners & three million customers in under two years. Several thousand have been bought in the UK so far.

After launch a Global Franchise Licence holder can offer terminals to retailers at a cost to the retailer of €350 (Direct Sales)

Once the network is build there will be no further opportunity to increase the size of your network.

I have attached a pdf which will help explain it better.

2. Individual stops will need individual terminals. Shops will become Franchise Partners (Franchising) Terminals will replace a retailers need for leafleting/newspaper adverts etc. Retailers will be able to communicate with customers instantly through the terminal via GPS. This is a huge benefit for retailers.

3. Retailers will get cards which can be branded to your store. They will cost approx £1.80 but will have £2 on them in "Flexmoney" Experience in Turkey showed that if retailers pay for each card they had a higher usage rate. You could charge customers £1/£2 for them if you chose to. Once you register a customer they can not register with someone else which is very important.

4. A customer can use flex money and sterling to buy something yes. 1 x Flex money will be equal to £1.

Retailers can decide on their own "discount" based on the products or even day of the week. Retailers will give the card holder an amount of Flexkom money on their card/ap at point of sale. eg: If you give £2 to the card holder you are in effect giving £4 as a further £2 will go to the card issuer/global Franchisee/Regional Co-Ordinator/Flexkom.

The more cards/apps a retailer can get in circulation the more he she can make. The card holder will be eating in restaurants, shopping online etc and making the card issuer and income 24/7 (E-commerce)

NEXT STEP

The next step for you would be, in my opinion, to buy a full franchise licence and take advantage of this side of the business while you can. This will cost €1269 but means that when you do install terminals you will earn more from the cards. The retailers share plus the Global Franchisees share. Further income streams for your own premises.

Experience in Turkey has also shown that retailers are very good at introducing other retailers and you could easily introduce six retailers and earn from them too! To register I would need your name, address, dob, email & postcode.

I am on the phone as I said and will be happy to answer any further questions. I am personally helping over two hundred Franchisees at the moment so if I do miss your call I will call you back.


Kind regards,

Brian.

Brian McGinty
brian@flexkom.com
07511 650 427


Is Brians information FALSE then NOHATEJUSTLOGIC?

As for the 'mathmatical equasion', I am not to stupid to understand it NOHATEJUSTLOGIC. But I defy anybody not to be confused by this disection of funds:

Out of £1:
40p goes to CARS/CHARITY/PROFIT.
60p left to 'customers'.
Of this 60p:
20% (12p) Global Shops
20% (12p) Shop open.
5% (3p) City co-ordinator
4% (2.4p) Team co-ordinator
30% (18p) Disiff bonus
15% (9p) Leaders Bonus
6% (3.6p) World Pool

As you seem to be so knowledgeable NOHATEJUSTLOGIC, perhaps you could enlighten us as to what all these breakdowns mean?

And I would be interested to know at what tier you have joined at?
E-biz Kit @ 149 EUROS?
Junior Team @399 EUROS member?
Business Team member @799 EUROS?
or have you gone for the super deluxe GLOBAL TEAM MEMBER @ 1490 EUROS?

littleroundman
09-20-2013, 01:58 AM
The Fettullah islamic organization is behind the Zaman Daily and they wanted 50% of FlexKom in return for 40 million customers which was turned down


Please substantiate this assertion, seems more of an MLM wive's tale passed from person to person. Surely there is a paper trail you can provide. Next you are going to tell us Harvard teaches MLM.

Hmmnn,

looks like he can't provide a source for his information other than "FlexKom told me" ribshaw

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 02:57 AM
It's basically an attempt to clone Lyoness and AiYellow mixed into one.

Retailers won't see it as a scam, but it won't be very profitable for them either. The discounts they give aren't there until customers walk through their doors, but if there's enough of them it may ruin them instead of helping them. Sorta related to the various horror stories about how Groupon killed a couple small businesses when those extra orders they brought in (offered at a loss) killed the company's cashflow. It sure generated a lot of buzz, but that rush ain't always worth it. Only super-high-margin businesses can afford to do Groupon (spas, resorts, etc.)

Which is the same issue you said, basically. Small margin neighborhood stores won't touch this, and big chain stores won't bother with this. Some "medium" size stores can be tricked into joining, but the only one making any money off this would be the sales reps and FlexKom themselves.



So what you are saying is that no matter what the volume is of sales the profit stays the same? So if I sell 100 shirts in a month and mark it up 100% I make the same as if I sell 500 shirts at 100% mark up? What if I sell 500 shirts at 75% mark up and give away 25% instead of 100 shirts at 100% mark up? should I not not offer the 25% back to sell more shirts?

So Groupon was mentioned earlier this is exactly what I am talking about. Groupon is just a website with a lot of visitors. Groupon demands that the small business gives 50% discount. It doesn't end there. They then take their share which is 50% of the rest. So the business gives up 75% of the price and is left with 1/4 to pay for costs. Groupon got a 6 billion dollar buy out offer in 2010. Groupon is a loss leader. Enough businesses where willing to give away 75% to make groupon a multimillion dollar company and you are trying to say small businesses arent loooking for a way to reach more people. You're joking right?

With FlexKom the business can run any kind of promotion it wants 1% cash back what ever they want. Of course the sweeter the deal the more action they get. But lets not forget the back end income from the customers they sign in.

If a restaurant gets 30 customers an hour and has 8 hour a day open they have 240 customers a day 7200 a month. lets ay they sign one third in 2 months to flexkom 2400 total.

lets say those customers save an average of 10 flexmoney. FlexKom will pay the restaurant $2880 a month. Maybe that will make them excited about the system. So now the restaurant makes enough to cover rent and now they think if we keep giving back the other will also and we will keep making money from our customers shopping elsewhere. And now you have taken thousands of retailers and unified them and made them work together and get stronger not weaker. The money keeps going back to the businesses unlike groupon who sucks the cash out.

So let me give you some basic business understanding. A restaurant may not have all tables full Monday Tuesday and Wednesday. So those 3 days our Flexkobi sends out a message that he is giving 1 flex money on every pint of beer ordered for instance. That results in extra 20 guests per day for him. So he gives some Flexmoney to get some more customers. What is new? There are always specials and sales going on anyway.

I always see half off sales and happy hour deals at restaurants all kinds of promotions. But the small restaurant or stores has an issue and that is how to get the message out to more people. That is what the Flexom system does. REACHES more people and it is free for the transmission. Even if he wanted to offer 0.10 back he can use the system. When a restaurant owner has 10 empty tables it is a cost to him so why not put 10 Flexkom guests at the tables for the sea bass special which he sent a message about earlier in the day. Buy the sea bass special tonight and get $5 flex money back. 2538 people got the message and 15 love sea bass they bring a guest and there is your profit!

I have a tooth ache. I go on my app and let it know I need a dentist. I have 900 points as a result of my shopping at flexkom stores and when I hit 1000 points I will get a Flat screen TV that I really want for my Bedroom. I see there is a dentist offering 100 FlexMoney to first time visitors. I make an appointment with that dentist and go because I want my free flat screen TV. The dentist would have never seen my business if he didn't have the FlexKom system. I am super happy because I got a TV and my tooth fixed. Now I also have 100 Flexmoney to spend so I call my wife and tell her to get ready I am taking her to dinner. And the 100 I got back from the dentist pays for dinner. Since the TV came from the restaurant that gave me the app I go there and spend the 100 flexmoney as a thank you. I invite some friends over to watch Monday night football they ask where i got the TV I say Through this app I have on my phone I get points when I shop. They ask how they can get the app. I say I can give it to you. I give away 20 apps and make 20 flex money for doing so and the restaurant just got 20 more customers that they make commission on.

FlexKOm reaches 10 million customers and Taco bell says how can we reach more customers. We tell them if they offer our customers a discount we will send out a message on our terminals with the offer when they check out they will get a coupon from you. What will you give us?

With 100 million customers who are all getting cash back and loyalty rewards you can get some really good deals from the larger chain stores. I think it's all about the customer count and we will have them

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 03:06 AM
Hmmnn,

looks like he can't provide a source for his information other than "FlexKom told me" ribshaw

source would be an interview I did with one of the founders. With your suspicious mind it shouldn't be hard for you to imagine someone wanted to try to extort someone for money and use their power to do so. Shouldn't be to hard for you to include as a possibility. But that information can't be proven so take it for what it's worth a possibility.

NikSam
09-20-2013, 04:08 AM
This blogger "Niksam" thinks Facebook is an effective way to bring customers to a business.

Ok so ask yourself how many stores you are following on Facebook.

....

No i do not think so, and i do not follow any store , because I am like 99.99% of human beings do not want to be bothered with marketing crap from those stores.

But if someone want something like you described, there are plenty ways to do it without selling your soul to MLM-Scam ,
without business owners recruiting their customers into pyramid scheme, without paying all up-liners upstairs.

And without loosing all your family and friends because you made them join a scam.


wait till FTC rules to lock you all up, freaking "businessmen" , how would you even dare to call what you do a "business"?


PS: And they should study MLMs in Harvard ... as part of criminal studies.
so new generation grows up realizing how the hell this crap was still legalized.

MLM cause major personal losses worldwide, more than all Ponzis and HYIPs combined, the problem is nobody realized they been scammed, and just think they were not good enough.

littleroundman
09-20-2013, 04:31 AM
source would be an interview I did with one of the founders.

Oh goodie,

an anonymous poster was told by an unnamed source, so it MUST be true.

Can't wait to get my credit card out based on that solid information.

Joe_Shmoe
09-20-2013, 06:22 AM
Most likely you aren't what FlexKom is looking for so don't worry you aren't missing out. FlexKom is clear that they are only looking for strong business to business sales people. I doubt you are that.

You are quite correct in saying I'm not what FlexKom is looking for, however your reason is incorrect.

The actual reason is I'm not a sucker & I can see right through the FlexKom (Flexcon) BS :RpS_wink:

ribshaw
09-20-2013, 08:31 AM
Does this blogger "ribhsaw" have any idea of how the FlexKom system works? So the readers can know he is qualified to give them advice on the company? Or is he just a guy who goes out to find anything negative he can find to cast doubt on a company?

While blogger "ribshaw" would normally relish the opportunity to talk about himself in the 3rd person, this demands a little bit more serious response. I stumbled upon this site about a year ago as a reader, and joined in February to respond to a question a member asked. Since then I have put up 1300 posts, some serious, some to chat, and some for fun. Anyone who stumbles upon this forum, including YOU could read my posts and answer questions 2 and 3 for themselves. Do I make valid points, do I link sources correctly, if I make an assertion and someone asks me a question do I answer it, am I on more than I am off? That you would even ask questions 2 and 3 is very suspect, and dare I say intellectually lazy.

By contrast, you have showed up and posted in 1 thread, with 16 posts, and shock of all shockers you are posting about something you VERY OBVIOUSLY have a FINANCIAL INTEREST IN! So who are you? What track record do you have for spotting the next big thing, and putting money in peoples pockets? You are the one asking people to open their wallets for your great deal.

What I find even more troubling is your seeming inability to defend your own assertions or even read what I have written in THIS THREAD. To Wit:


Does this blogger "ribhsaw" have any idea of how the FlexKom system works?

We are on page 7 of this thread, please feel free to go back and quote any contribution I have made.

First, as LRM pointed out you have no substantiation for this potentially libelous quote just he said she said. You completely failed to answer the second question. And while we are at it, what is your track record for building wealth for people OTHER than yourself?

5948

When challenged on this, you had no answer other than to accuse me of being a negative blogger. So let's try again, you threw this award out as something MEANINGFUL. I asked you a very straight forward question, please answer it as a businessperson would, not a huffy child.

5949


What I know about Flexcom, as I said in my first and believe only post in this thread until you showed up, it is a "Pig in a Poke". People like you have one goal at this point, and there has been one major constant at this point, RECRUITING. Numerous people with very dubious track records recruiting, taking people's money and promising them a rainbow and a pot of gold. That's it.

Thanks to Freighttrain, we see the Turkey roll out has appears an unmitigated disaster. Your response to this is a conspiracy theory. Rather than address these issues, what is Flexcom doing, oh that's right they are RECRUITING. Yeah get your checkbooks that always ends well for the masses.

In reviewing the thread, Phil Hendy and kschang pointed out this is very much like Lyoness. If you look at the earnings statements from Lyoness which LRM put up on another thread, not so hot. Harrison slammed you with more information you have yet to explain. Niksam is a computer genius who has a lot of credibility around here. JTMT and LORM have been on RS for years writing about questionable deals, so their bona fides can be verified. Theseus and Joe Schmoe blew the doors off the fraud known as Banners Broker, and this was December 2012 WAY ahead of the pack. So anyone who stumbles upon this thread or this site can look at past threads, read the posters assertions and see how often they were right, how often they were early, and how often they were wrong.

According to FT 43000 people in Turkey bought in to Flexcom, 3700 shops signed up, that is a shitload of people that are never going to see dime one back. Any operation with integrity would refund unsatisfied members and make things right before asking others to part with their hard earned cash.

Who are you again?

HARRISON
09-20-2013, 10:08 AM
The problem I have with FLEXKOM is it has NO PRODUCT. The FLEXKOM cards are BROUGHT by the retailers, who give them out to there customers so that they can get discounts from OTHER retailers (if they can find another one in the vicinity).

Just for a second, close your eyes and imagine the shops/businesses in your area?
My town is made up of about 70% chain stores like Marks & Spencer, Next, Boots, Primark etc etc. These multi national stores WILL NOT sign up to Flexkom.
Another 20% are banks/charity shops/estate agents. The remaining 10% are small, specialist independant stores like picture framers/gift shops/niche fashion stores, a sandwich store. Why would they all join this scheme? They are basically handing over there profits to Flexkom for the priviledge of swapping discounts with each other?

And who in there right minds would sign up to have spam (sorry, SALES INFORMATION) texted to them at all hours of the day and night?

When the cards are swiped through the terminals, the customer gets money, the retailer gets money, FLEXKOM gets money, the world and his mother get money (apparently), but where does this money come from?

The money comes from NEW people joining. That would make FLEXKOM a pyamid would it not?

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 11:07 AM
No i do not think so, and i do not follow any store , because I am like 99.99% of human beings do not want to be bothered with marketing crap from those stores.

But if someone want something like you described, there are plenty ways to do it without selling your soul to MLM-Scam ,
without business owners recruiting their customers into pyramid scheme, without paying all up-liners upstairs.

And without loosing all your family and friends because you made them join a scam.


wait till FTC rules to lock you all up, freaking "businessmen" , how would you even dare to call what you do a "business"?


PS: And they should study MLMs in Harvard ... as part of criminal studies.
so new generation grows up realizing how the hell this crap was still legalized.

MLM cause major personal losses worldwide, more than all Ponzis and HYIPs combined, the problem is nobody realized they been scammed, and just think they were not good enough.

WOW!! Ok so here is a great example of someone who is just completely illogical "Niksam" calls the entire industry of mlm a scam. And thinks it should be shut down. He goes on to blame network marketing for for loss of family and friends. Maybe "Niksam" joined a scam and got all his family to follow him into it, so now EVERY mlm is a scam no matter what they do. One has to ask if "Niksam is logical here or if he is just out for blood. 75% of the network marketing industry are women 25% men. I guess women are the ones who should be locked up mostly. I will make sure to yell at the Avon lady when I see her next time. Or call the cops when someone wants to sell tupperware. I am not sure what "Niksam" hates here scams or a real industry that has legal companies operating legally allover the world. This is just strange to me.

littleroundman
09-20-2013, 11:20 AM
WOW!! Ok so here is a great example of someone who is just completely illogical "Niksam" calls the entire industry of mlm a scam. And thinks it should be shut down. He goes on to blame network marketing for for loss of family and friends. Maybe "Niksam" joined a scam and got all his family to follow him into it, so now EVERY mlm is a scam no matter what they do. One has to ask if "Niksam is logical here or if he is just out for blood. 75% of the network marketing industry are women 25% men. I guess women are the ones who should be locked up mostly. I will make sure to yell at the Avon lady when I see her next time. Or call the cops when someone wants to sell tupperware. I am not sure what "Niksam" hates here scams or a real industry that has legal companies operating legally allover the world. This is just strange to me.

Are you ever going to get around to saying something of value here, justnonsensenologic ??

HINT: You may very well be as psychic as you make out and all the guesses judgements you have made about various posters' reasons for posting,

HOWEVER

the thread is about whether or not FlexKom is a legitimate MLM or a scam, and, thus far all you have managed to do is reinforce the commonly held belief FlexKom / MLM defenders are all cliches and no substance.

Other than passing on rumours your masters have fed you, you haven't actually said anything which would convince anyone.

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 12:05 PM
I'd like to see one of the POS terminals, if they actually have them.

What incentive does a retailer have to sell at discounted prices ?, CC companies charge something like 2.5% (ish) to the retailer, the maths don't work on that alone.

It would be a good idea to keep plugging away at Driscoll, even in the flesh, if he comes into my area I'll confront him. A packed hall or one to one, makes little difference to me.

Remember we have Crimestoppers in the UK, they will act if there's a chance a con artist is trying to fleece people out of their money.

A letter to the Chief constable of your county will also have a huge effect, nothing gets attention like a complaint to the top person in any organisation.


....................................Now where did I put Raj Divit's address
PoS V 1 /POS V 4
59505951

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 01:04 PM
Are you ever going to get around to saying something of value here, justnonsensenologic ??

HINT: You may very well be as psychic as you make out and all the guesses judgements you have made about various posters' reasons for posting,

HOWEVER

the thread is about whether or not FlexKom is a legitimate MLM or a scam, and, thus far all you have managed to do is reinforce the commonly held belief FlexKom / MLM defenders are all cliches and no substance.

Other than passing on rumors your masters have fed you, you haven't actually said anything which would convince anyone.

Other than passing rumors your masters have fed "you" according to "littleroundman" it convinced people. Well OK good it should. But that doesn't mean anything anyway.

If FlexKom was so criminal in Turkey they would not still be in business.



The future looks amazing for FlexKom

They now have Version 4 of the POS terminal completed

5952

A long way from the first version. Version 5 is in the works and almost done.


http://youtu.be/VmGPIvA3EA8

NikSam
09-20-2013, 01:15 PM
WOW!! Ok so here is a great example of someone who is just completely illogical "Niksam" calls the entire industry of mlm a scam.


Yes I do call entire MLM or whichever you call your scams these day ( network marketing, direct sales ) a scam, it is illegal in several countries and immoral at least.



And thinks it should be shut down. He goes on to blame network marketing for for loss of family and friends. Maybe "Niksam" joined a scam and got all his family to follow him into it, so now EVERY mlm is a scam no matter what they do.


Got it wrong, not everybody was so excited readin Kyosaki, Big secret, listening pimps in hotel halls and other delusional crap and woke up one day and said "I CAN BE POSITIVE, I CAN DO IT, I VISUALIZE IT NOW" and went on scamming around other folks.

Some can smell a scam miles away.



... or if he is just out for blood.


You got this right.



75% of the network marketing industry are women 25% men. I guess women are the ones who should be locked up mostly. I will make sure to yell at the Avon lady when I see her next time. Or call the cops when someone wants to sell tupperware.


Lets look at that from another point, 90% of MLM participants loose money, from remaining, 5% make some not sufficient even call it an earning, and the rest are living on top of pyramid.
Do you want to split who are women who are men? than i would say 75% of victims of MLM are women according to your numbers.

Organizers should be locked up and promoters who violate the laws once they are in place. regardless if they are men or women or what kind of crap they trying to sell, those crap products are the only excuse for a damn pyramid. that product has no chance of survival in real market, otherwise it would not use a pyramid but gain retail sales traditional (non-scam) ways.

Sooner or later those housewifes will understand the error of their ways and what pyramid marketing is.
How long you have been in this crap ? one day you will come to the same conclusions, unless of course you the top one and rip money on other people's losses.







I am not sure what "Niksam" hates here scams or a real industry that has legal companies operating legally allover the world. This is just strange to me.




Legal for now. and not around the world.

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 01:38 PM
The problem I have with FLEXKOM is it has NO PRODUCT.
Crazy talk.





The FLEXKOM cards are BROUGHT by the retailers, who give them out to there customers so that they can get discounts from OTHER retailers (if they can find another one in the vicinity).

The customer gets discounts when and how the retailer choses. Just like when the yogurt shop offers the free yogurt after 7 purchases or when a store offers a discount on older merchandize. The discount is offset by the income the retailer gets from the shoppers shopping else where and increase in volume. I spoke to a lock smith who spends $20,000 a year on an ad in the yellow pages. Small businesses spend money on marketing all the time and FlexKom is just another way to market their business. The cost of the marketing is in the form of discounts.


Just for a second, close your eyes and imagine the shops/businesses in your area?
My town is made up of about 70% chain stores like Marks & Spencer, Next, Boots, Primark etc etc. These multi national stores WILL NOT sign up to Flexkom.
Another 20% are banks/charity shops/estate agents. The remaining 10% are small, specialist independant stores like picture framers/gift shops/niche fashion stores, a sandwich store. Why would they all join this scheme? They are basically handing over there profits to Flexkom for the priviledge of swapping discounts with each other?

Where does this blogger live? Is he trying to say there are no small businesses? This guy has no idea how FlexKom works, handing over profits, ridiculous statement. It's what VISA and Master Card did. They came in and offer nothing for their service. And businesses are handing over profits to them that is true.


And who in there right minds would sign up to have spam (sorry, SALES INFORMATION) texted to them at all hours of the day and night?

Again this guy has no idea how FlexKom works


When the cards are swiped through the terminals, the customer gets money, the retailer gets money, FLEXKOM gets money, the world and his mother get money (apparently), but where does this money come from? Again to lazy to understand the system



The money comes from NEW people joining. That would make FLEXKOM a pyamid would it not?

It would if it in fact did come from NEW people joining but it doesn't it comes from sales happening in stores.

The money from the sale of the Franchise never reaches the customers. The money from the sale of merchandize if circulated and the increased is a result of marketing and bringing more customers to the FlexKom retailers. But it is to hard for this blogger to understand because he doesn't understand the power of technology and the power of smart phones and apps. Some money will come from Google losing business to flexkom. pay per click for instance is making Google billions. Some of that money will be spent with us instead. Flyers and news paper ads some of that will be spent with us. SEO marketing. Some of that money will flow over to FlexKom.

Money from the bigger chain stores. As FlexKom can help the smaller retailer take back some business from the larger stores. The larger stores and e-commerce has taken a lot of business from the smaller retailer. FlexKom is a system that can help the smaller stores get some business back.

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 01:43 PM
Yes I do call entire MLM or whichever you call your scams these day ( network marketing, direct sales ) a scam, it is illegal in several countries and immoral at least.



Got it wrong, not everybody was so excited readin Kyosaki, Big secret, listening pimps in hotel halls and other delusional crap and woke up one day and said "I CAN BE POSITIVE, I CAN DO IT, I VISUALIZE IT NOW" and went on scamming around other folks.

Some can smell a scam miles away.



You got this right.



Lets look at that from another point, 90% of MLM participants loose money, from remaining, 5% make some not sufficient even call it an earning, and the rest are living on top of pyramid.
Do you want to split who are women who are men? than i would say 75% of victims of MLM are women according to your numbers.

Organizers should be locked up and promoters who violate the laws once they are in place. regardless if they are men or women or what kind of crap they trying to sell, those crap products are the only excuse for a damn pyramid. that product has no chance of survival in real market, otherwise it would not use a pyramid but gain retail sales traditional (non-scam) ways.

Sooner or later those housewifes will understand the error of their ways and what pyramid marketing is.
How long you have been in this crap ? one day you will come to the same conclusions, unless of course you the top one and rip money on other people's losses.






Legal for now. and not around the world.

"niksam" is just a worker who tried to start a business then he couldn't make it work so now it's the industry's fault. ......Done with his nonsense

NikSam
09-20-2013, 01:52 PM
"niksam" is just a worker who tried to start a business then he couldn't make it work so now it's the industry's fault. ......Done with his nonsense

oh, lookie here, somebody who knows me so well :)

in fact i run my own company, would i consider to do some pyramid marketing to promote my services ? NO, that is reserved for scammers and loosers who realized that the only way to score on their produced crap which nobody needs.

HARRISON
09-20-2013, 02:04 PM
As I'm to lazy to understand this system, perhaps you can explain this little chart in detail JUSTLOGICNOHATE?
And can you please answer my question? Where are you in the food chain? I'm guessing by your abrasive tone that you are aiming for PRESIDENT status?

5953

HARRISON
09-20-2013, 02:11 PM
[QUOTE=justlogicnohate;60961]no they dont

5954

Oh no they don't? Oh yes they do!

HARRISON
09-20-2013, 02:37 PM
QUOTE:

It would if it in fact did come from NEW people joining but it doesn't it comes from sales happening in stores.

The money from the sale of the Franchise never reaches the customers. The money from the sale of merchandize if circulated and the increased is a result of marketing and bringing more customers to the FlexKom retailers.
UNQUOTE:

Ok...so the money from Franchise sales never reaches the customers? It just goes straight into Flexkoms coffers?

The money comes from sales happening in stores?

Mmm, your gonna have to help me out here NOLOGICJUSTHATE, I'm way to stupid to understand this amazing concept, so please explain this. (Without the sarcasm preferably)
I've just brought a jumper with my FLEXKOM card. It should have been £100, but my FLEXKOM card has given me a £10 discount. Yah...very happy customer am I! I've just saved £10!!!

But now I have my RETAILERS cap on. I've just given this customer £10 of free stuff.
And along comes another customer. He has just brought TWO jumpers. So I'm down £20 now.

So today, I'm down £30. How do I get that money back?

Joe_Shmoe
09-20-2013, 04:41 PM
......Done with his nonsense

It looks like justlogicnohate knows when he is beat.

If perchance he is still here. If I go into my newsagent and flash my FlexCon card when I buy my copy of the Sunday Smut for £1 how much do I get back on my card?

path2prosperity
09-20-2013, 05:54 PM
"Niksam" calls the entire industry of mlm a scam.

Good for him. I endorse that opinion. Another RS member who is better qualified than I am to comment because he is a lawyer, endorses that opinion too.

Quatloos.http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=d3856cb5588e5ac96e44e19c037001c8

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 06:58 PM
Yes I do call entire MLM or whichever you call your scams these day ( network marketing, direct sales ) a scam, it is illegal in several countries and immoral at least.



Got it wrong, not everybody was so excited readin Kyosaki, Big secret, listening pimps in hotel halls and other delusional crap and woke up one day and said "I CAN BE POSITIVE, I CAN DO IT, I VISUALIZE IT NOW" and went on scamming around other folks.

Some can smell a scam miles away.



You got this right.



Lets look at that from another point, 90% of MLM participants loose money, from remaining, 5% make some not sufficient even call it an earning, and the rest are living on top of pyramid.
Do you want to split who are women who are men? than i would say 75% of victims of MLM are women according to your numbers.

Organizers should be locked up and promoters who violate the laws once they are in place. regardless if they are men or women or what kind of crap they trying to sell, those crap products are the only excuse for a damn pyramid. that product has no chance of survival in real market, otherwise it would not use a pyramid but gain retail sales traditional (non-scam) ways.

Sooner or later those housewifes will understand the error of their ways and what pyramid marketing is.
How long you have been in this crap ? one day you will come to the same conclusions, unless of course you the top one and rip money on other people's losses.






Legal for now. and not around the world.


"Niksam is confused as to the challenges in business period. Maybe because he has never succeeded in business or maybe because he did succeed he has a skewed idea of how easy or simple it is in general. The majority of businesses fail in general. Most people shouldn't start a business. They don't have what it takes. They are inexperienced and they don't have the patience anyway to stay around long enough to learn. The Network marketing industry has gone to an area that is actually trying to make it easier and easier. Less money to start opens the industry up for people who think they just sign up and then they will make tons of money. But it is hard to succeed in business not just in MLM. You have to stay in a while. build up your skills and network of contacts who are professional. The majority fail yes because they don't stay around to succeed. So many times I have recruited a person who then never calls me back crazy but true. The numbers "Niksam" is posting is a natural way life, sorts out winners from losers. In school we have winners and losers. In sports the same, in society the same. MLM never said here guaranteed money everyone will succeed. (maybe a rep does but that is on him) And if the person thought that it was a guaranteed ticket to riches then he is just ignorant.

An entrepreneur has to take responsibility for it's own decisions in business. Some companies are complete scams. Some companies have had success for many decades and people have found success working with such companies.

"Niksam" Thinks MLM should have better numbers. A higher percent of winners. It is ridiculous to think MLM should outperform the real world. 6% make more than $35,000 a year. With such a low start up cost and such high potential it should be less people who succeed than in real life businesses. My attempts have been increasingly better as I have matured in the industry. At least in Network marketing someone who doesn't have enough to start a traditional business could succeed in MLM and I have many many friends who have that story.

take a look at the real world results

Startup Business Failure Rate By Industry | Statistic Brain (http://www.statisticbrain.com/startup-failure-by-industry/)

In business you will fail unless you fight for your life to succeed. Nothing different in MLM fight is just the same.

When "Niksam" says they lost money it's not like a business loss in the real world. My cousin lost $250,000 in a restaurant venture. I lost $200 in a mlm venture. What hurts more? Usually in MLM it starts with a purchase of a few hundred dollars of product. If I use all the product is it really a loss or is it a purchase and consumption. The fee to sell is usually about $50. So all the drama attached to "Niksams" numbers are mostly normal business failures for the most part. Trust me I see it all the time. Many people just love to be involved they don't even care about the success part which is funny but true. So I suggest you let people be people let them fail, let them try, let them figure it out and many failures lead to successes as well don't forget one has to fail many times before succeeding usually.

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 07:31 PM
Good for him. I endorse that opinion. Another RS member who is better qualified than I am to comment because he is a lawyer, endorses that opinion too.

Quatloos.http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=d3856cb5588e5ac96e44e19c037001c8

Ok so then one can assume it doesn't matter for you what the company does after we have declared FlexKom to be a network marketing company it is now a scam, research over and done!!

So anyone on this thread who agrees should agree that FlexKom is a scam because the comp plan pays in more than one generation.

All other arguments are null and void.

That was easy.

Ok so now the people who don't agree with this idea should go somewhere else to do their research as the premise on Realscam is all MLM's are scams.

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 07:52 PM
It looks like justlogicnohate knows when he is beat.

If perchance he is still here. If I go into my newsagent and flash my FlexCon card when I buy my copy of the Sunday Smut for £1 how much do I get back on my card?


So blogger "Joe Shmoe" wants to know how much he gets back off a $1 smut magazine by flashing something he calls FlexCon card. Blogger "Joe Shmoe" has his own card.

I would ask your News agent if the pity gets the best of him maybe he will help you pay for your smut mag.

justlogicnohate
09-20-2013, 08:04 PM
oh, lookie here, somebody who knows me so well :)

in fact i run my own company, would i consider to do some pyramid marketing to promote my services ? NO, that is reserved for scammers and loosers who realized that the only way to score on their produced crap which nobody needs.

...and then blogger "niksam" says he has his own company and he prefers to stay on here talking about MLM. It's exactly like this woman I talked the other day she was talking about a guy who dumped her 5 years ago for an hour Yekies!!!

Can anyone see how pathetic this guy is? He has his own company but sits here wasting his time with an industry he hates. WOW!!!!! Why not go all the way and start a petition to end MLM. Get serious about it. Instead of dabbling in the fight take it to the News stations go BIG!

Man I will be smiling at dinner tonight thinking about you on here trying to think of something that makes sense. I am "Niksam" I saved the planet from MLM please feel free to build me a monument.

littleroundman
09-20-2013, 08:20 PM
Despite being given multiple opportunities, "justnonsensenologic" STILL refuses to answer any questions or rebut any points made and continues to mount ad hominem attacks on the questioners.

Way to go convincing readers FlexKom is anything more than a get-rich-quick scheme and refuge for juvenile blowhards, "justnonsensenologic"

path2prosperity
09-20-2013, 08:22 PM
Ok so then one can assume it doesn't matter for you what the company does after we have declared FlexKom to be a network marketing company it is now a scam, research over and done!!

So anyone on this thread who agrees should agree that FlexKom is a scam because the comp plan pays in more than one generation.

All other arguments are null and void.

That was easy.

Ok so now the people who don't agree with this idea should go somewhere else to do their research as the premise on Realscam is all MLM's are scams.

No. I think that network marketing as defined by "Internet Marketers" is a totally crap concept. Their idea of marketing appears to be nothing more than spamming people with pre written sales spiel from who knows whom. Marketing is nothing to do with churning out sales spiel from dubious characters on dubious advertising boards.

Quatloos is a forum for thinking people not some free advertising publication and "wserra" is an American lawyer who "uses his loaf" before making comments here.

ribshaw
09-20-2013, 08:29 PM
Ok so then one can assume it doesn't matter for you what the company does after we have declared FlexKom to be a network marketing company it is now a scam, research over and done!!

You were given ample opportunity to prove otherwise and wasted your time with endless prattling and conjecture. Rather than answer questions or support your premise, you went on tirades about how hard life is or what failures others must be. Your last tantrum about business failure sure does not mirror any of the videos I watched promoting this nonsense.

Just one more recruiting scam promising easy money and world changing products, until your check clears.

HARRISON
09-21-2013, 01:19 AM
You still haven't answered my questions NOLOGICJUSTHATE ? Give me your best sales pitch...

and don't forget to answer this question also:
Which one of these is YOU on this strange pyamid looking scale?

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justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 01:56 AM
QUOTE:

It would if it in fact did come from NEW people joining but it doesn't it comes from sales happening in stores.

[QUOTE=HARRISON;61023]The money from the sale of the Franchise never reaches the customers. The money from the sale of merchandize if circulated and the increased is a result of marketing and bringing more customers to the FlexKom retailers.
UNQUOTE:

Ok...so the money from Franchise sales never reaches the customers? It just goes straight into Flexkoms coffers?

Ok so it's quite obvious you have no clue what FlexKom does so I will be more understanding here.

The sales guy will in phase 2 give away the app to a lot of people they will be the customer. They will get $2 on the app to start with. The franchise guy will have 1000 apps to give away. When the franchisee goes to the retailer there will already be thousands of customers with the app and some money to spend. Those people wont be aware of anything besides they have an app that they can show to retailers and get some deals. They will also pick the types of deals they would like to get. Maybe they like to eat sushi or they like the shop clothing. Maybe they like to go to theater, get massages need new tires or a tune up on their cars etc. The tire shop and sushi bar gets set up and then they put in the terminal they will give 10 flex money back on a dinner for 2 if they spend more than $50. The tire shop puts in he will give 10 Flexmoney on a tire rotation and or at least 2 new tires. They send out the message and in comes 10 new customers. The Sushi place and tire store have never seen them before. they are new customers that come in as a result of sending out the promotion. at that time with in 1.2 seconds the store that gave the customer the app makes $1.20 residual income. That store has 1000 customers signed up so if all of them got paid 10 Flexmoney they made $1200 dollars passive income. Now they have a $1200 a month new income they can use to pay bills with. every month for signing the customer once. The store increases its traffic so they can afford to lower their mark up a little. It ends saving them money they usually spend in the local news paper and on mailers. They also now are making extra money from the customer shopping elsewhere including the internet.

Now the retailer keeps signing more customers to the system and all retailers are doing this. They start seeing the income from those customers so they get more proactive with recruiting. The customer is enjoying getting some cash back and then gong to another retailer and spending it. The money keeps getting reinvested with our retailers. No wthey keep making more sales as they are inside the network. More and more customers are joining. They get messages on how many points they have and how many points they need to get the vacations loyalty reward. So when they think to do anything they think first to search the Flexkom stores before they search Google for local services. They need a plummer and they find one on FlexKom and ask how much he can give back he says 10 Flex Money on a $200 job. They say come on over.

So the local business could do this

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or they can save paper and money sending a free video message that goes to a phone not a trash can.

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The money comes from sales happening in stores?

Mmm, your gonna have to help me out here LOGICAL AMAZING GUY , I'm way to stupid to understand this amazing concept, so please explain this. (Without the sarcasm preferably)
I've just brought a jumper with my FLEXKOM card. It should have been £100, but my FLEXKOM card has given me a £10 discount. Yah...very happy customer am I! I've just saved £10!!!

But now I have my RETAILERS cap on. I've just given this customer £10 of free stuff.
And along comes another customer. He has just brought TWO jumpers. So I'm down £20 now.

So today, I'm down £30. How do I get that money back?

Ok so let me explain something you are missing. If you as a store have usually 50 customers a day and then you put an advertisement in the news paper. You then get an additional 20 customers. Those customers spend $40 each. You just created $800 new revenue. The mark up was 100% so you take was an additional $400 with the $400 you pay the news paper add which was $250 you keep $150. So your campaign was successful as you added $150 on top of your usual sales in profit. And don't forget usually you also will need to give some kind of special when advertising like a coupon for 20% off. So now you have a lowered mark up and you have the cost of the advertisement working against you.

So we can agree marketing cost money. (I hope you know that)

SO THINK MORE CUSTOMERS MORE SALES MORE MONEY

So FlexKom's model. You take a video of the store and show some cute dresses and you let the viewer know you will give a 10 flex money credit if they spend $50 and you will give 15 FM if they spend $75 you can do whatever you like. You can do it for one item in your store you can do it on volume. You exclude items it is up to you how you do it. If you get creative it can be better results you can try different things because FlexKom doesn't charge you per add it is completely free to advertise. So lets say you send out a promotion for this new dress that just came in. You have a deal with the manufacturer that if you buy double he will give you a better price. the dress sold really fast last shipment so you take the deal. You make a video with your cute niece she wares and models the dress while you speak this dress is the latest trend we sold out in 2 days last time we brought it in. If you can make it down here in the next 24 hours I will give you 10 Flexmoney back on this dress.

The dress cost you $20 your selling price is $60 Customer gets $10, FlexKom gets $10 which flexkom splits between store who gave the app, loyalty rewards for the customers and yes profit for FlexKom and yes again the Flexkom comp plan. Now the store sells 20 dresses in 2 days and makes $400 in profit.(20 x 20) They also sell an additional $200 of other merchandize not discounted with Flexmoney. all in all it was a $500 profitable promotion. With NO risk! If the promotion didn't work it cost the store nothing to try it out. If they had done a mailer they would be out the paper cost postage and printing.

What if the store wanted to do a loss leader like Groupon it could give away the total profit on one item to get the customer to show up and spend on the other stuff in the store. Imagine they say come down today and try the large pizza and we will give you 7 Flexmoney back on a $20 Pizza no profit on Pizza but they buy 4 beers and they get 100 customers that show up for that promotion. The place is now full of FlexKom customers and non FlexKom customers spending (because if they are not in FlexKom they still will come to the pizza place. And guess what now the pizza place signs up all the other customers and start making residual income when they buy dresses from the clothing store and buy tires for their cars etc.

And with 100 other restaurants to go to that day I am sure very few would have been there anyway. So it's new business more business with a predictable margin for profit. The business knows his numbers. He understands how to run promotions.

The smart phone is the next frontier in marketing we have our phones everywhere. FlexKom is in the perfect place the timing is amazing.

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 02:13 AM
no. I think that network marketing as defined by "internet marketers" is a totally crap concept. Their idea of marketing appears to be nothing more than spamming people with pre written sales spiel from who knows whom. Marketing is nothing to do with churning out sales spiel from dubious characters on dubious advertising boards.

Quatloos is a forum for thinking people not some free advertising publication and "wserra" is an american lawyer who "uses his loaf" before making comments here.

huh? What?

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 02:16 AM
while blogger "ribshaw" would normally relish the opportunity to talk about himself in the 3rd person, this demands a little bit more serious response. I stumbled upon this site about a year ago as a reader, and joined in february to respond to a question a member asked. Since then i have put up 1300 posts, some serious, some to chat, and some for fun. Anyone who stumbles upon this forum, including you could read my posts and answer questions 2 and 3 for themselves. Do i make valid points, do i link sources correctly, if i make an assertion and someone asks me a question do i answer it, am i on more than i am off? That you would even ask questions 2 and 3 is very suspect, and dare i say intellectually lazy.

By contrast, you have showed up and posted in 1 thread, with 16 posts, and shock of all shockers you are posting about something you very obviously have a financial interest in! So who are you? What track record do you have for spotting the next big thing, and putting money in peoples pockets? You are the one asking people to open their wallets for your great deal.

What i find even more troubling is your seeming inability to defend your own assertions or even read what i have written in this thread. To wit:



We are on page 7 of this thread, please feel free to go back and quote any contribution i have made.

First, as lrm pointed out you have no substantiation for this potentially libelous quote just he said she said. You completely failed to answer the second question. And while we are at it, what is your track record for building wealth for people other than yourself?

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when challenged on this, you had no answer other than to accuse me of being a negative blogger. So let's try again, you threw this award out as something meaningful. I asked you a very straight forward question, please answer it as a businessperson would, not a huffy child.

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what i know about flexcom, as i said in my first and believe only post in this thread until you showed up, it is a "pig in a poke". People like you have one goal at this point, and there has been one major constant at this point, recruiting. Numerous people with very dubious track records recruiting, taking people's money and promising them a rainbow and a pot of gold. That's it.

Thanks to freighttrain, we see the turkey roll out has appears an unmitigated disaster. Your response to this is a conspiracy theory. Rather than address these issues, what is flexcom doing, oh that's right they are recruiting. Yeah get your checkbooks that always ends well for the masses.

In reviewing the thread, phil hendy and kschang pointed out this is very much like lyoness. If you look at the earnings statements from lyoness which lrm put up on another thread, not so hot. Harrison slammed you with more information you have yet to explain. Niksam is a computer genius who has a lot of credibility around here. Jtmt and lorm have been on rs for years writing about questionable deals, so their bona fides can be verified. Theseus and joe schmoe blew the doors off the fraud known as banners broker, and this was december 2012 way ahead of the pack. So anyone who stumbles upon this thread or this site can look at past threads, read the posters assertions and see how often they were right, how often they were early, and how often they were wrong.

According to ft 43000 people in turkey bought in to flexcom, 3700 shops signed up, that is a shitload of people that are never going to see dime one back. Any operation with integrity would refund unsatisfied members and make things right before asking others to part with their hard earned cash.

Who are you again?

wow you guys are like scam super heroes !! Very impressive i guess i will retract now

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 02:22 AM
[quote=justlogicnohate;60961]no they dont

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oh no they don't? Oh yes they do!

ah ok true true

wording is different here. They buy the terminal here not a license just a terminal. We dont use the word franchise either

littleroundman
09-21-2013, 02:23 AM
i guess i will retract now

There's nothing to retract.

You haven't said anything of consequence.

I guess at your school if you throw enough insults around eventually you'll get someone to react.

Unfortunately in the grown up world, that strategy is unlikely to work, as you've discovered.

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 02:38 AM
as i'm to lazy to understand this system, perhaps you can explain this little chart in detail justlogicnohate?
And can you please answer my question? Where are you in the food chain? I'm guessing by your abrasive tone that you are aiming for president status?

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i can explain it actually
the 5-30 is the diff bonus. The 1,2,3 is the world pool. The 1-5% is the leader bonus
5% to the local city cord 4% team cord (area customer service)

20% rep who signed shop
20% cust getter (shop)
rest for charity profit and cars for the reps who qualify.

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HARRISON
09-21-2013, 04:58 AM
Wow, JHNL, you have these figures down to a tee don't you? But the thing is, you have just proved wholeheartedly that you know ZERO about retailing.
You are pulling figures out of thin air.

YOU WILL GET TWENTY EXTRA CUSTOMERS WHO WILL ALL SPEND $40 EACH? RUBBISH.

It depends entirely on which store has signed up and what there products are.

If I go to the local newsagent, I spend 60p on a paper every day.

I go to the local hairdresser I go once every six weeks or so and spend £20.

I go the local butcher/baker/candlestick maker - NEVER. I shop at multi national stores. (and even if I did visit one of these, the ATV is LOW. I certainly would not be spending $40 on a loaf of bread!
NAME ME ONE multi-national account that has signed up to FLEXKOM? Anywhere in the world?

HARRISON
09-21-2013, 05:00 AM
i can explain it actually
the 5-30 is the diff bonus. The 1,2,3 is the world pool. The 1-5% is the leader bonus
5% to the local city cord 4% team cord (area customer service)

20% rep who signed shop
20% cust getter (shop)
rest for charity profit and cars for the reps who qualify.

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Which one of these are YOU?

HARRISON
09-21-2013, 05:02 AM
[quote=harrison;61020]

ah ok true true

wording is different here. They buy the terminal here not a license just a terminal. We dont use the word franchise either

And 'here' is?

HARRISON
09-21-2013, 06:04 AM
Ok, Mr. Logic. Try it this way:
Give it to me in pounds(euros/dollars)...

Below is FLEXKOMS own little example doodle. These are MY figures. You can be the FRANCHISEE.
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Please tell me the answers to these questions.
1/ How much money have YOU spent to be a franchise owner?
2/ How much do all these people : baker/petrol/chemist etc have to PAY YOU for there terminals?
3/How many cards do all of these people get to give out and how much do these cards cost once the initial allocation is gone?

(P.S The figures I've quoted are my own personal expenditure with LOCAL stores. My main spending is with MULTINATIONALS.
I would be really interested to see what other people on this board spend locally also?)

Joe_Shmoe
09-21-2013, 06:16 AM
So blogger "Joe Shmoe" wants to know how much he gets back off a $1 smut magazine by flashing something he calls FlexCon card. Blogger "Joe Shmoe" has his own card.

I would ask your News agent if the pity gets the best of him maybe he will help you pay for your smut mag.

sorry justlogicnohate seeings as we seem to have a sense of humour failure here I will ask my question in a slightly different manner.

If I go into a store that uses FlexKom & I buy a newspaper for £1 does the shopkeeper give me anything back, loaded on to my FlexKom card or FlexKom account or whatever?

If so how much?

HARRISON
09-21-2013, 09:52 AM
sorry justlogicnohate seeings as we seem to have a sense of humour failure here I will ask my question in a slightly different manner.

If I go into a store that uses FlexKom & I buy a newspaper for £1 does the shopkeeper give me anything back, loaded on to my FlexKom card or FlexKom account or whatever?

If so how much?

Forgive me Joe, but I'd like to answer this in case I have it wrong and then LOGICHATE will no doubt confirm or deny it...

If you go into a newsagent with your flexkom card, the newsagent may, or may not, give you some discount. He will put flexmoney onto your card when he swipes it in your terminal. The amount depends on the retailer but I believe its mainly 10%? The business that gave you this card then gets a small amount back as a commission (but don't know how much?)

Alternatively, you can use your FLEXKOM card to buy ALL the newspaper as long as you have enough on your card to cover the £1 cost.

ribshaw
09-21-2013, 10:31 AM
Wow, JHNL, you have these figures down to a tee don't you? But the thing is, you have just proved wholeheartedly that you know ZERO about retailing.
You are pulling figures out of thin air.

YOU WILL GET TWENTY EXTRA CUSTOMERS WHO WILL ALL SPEND $40 EACH? RUBBISH.

It depends entirely on which store has signed up and what there products are.

If I go to the local newsagent, I spend 60p on a paper every day.

I go to the local hairdresser I go once every six weeks or so and spend £20.

I go the local butcher/baker/candlestick maker - NEVER. I shop at multi national stores. (and even if I did visit one of these, the ATV is LOW. I certainly would not be spending $40 on a loaf of bread!
NAME ME ONE multi-national account that has signed up to FLEXKOM? Anywhere in the world?

Harrison,

I think your analysis is spot on, on my recent shopping trips I thought similar. I buy quite a bit from Amazon. Just bought a new computer, TV, dog bones (lots of those), protein bars, software, insoles and who knows what else. The UPS driver could do an Iron Man with all the up and down my driveway he does in a week. Ten years ago most of us would have had to head to either several different places, or one superstore. That day is done.

In my weekly shopping I go to a warehouse club and Target for almost all my families needs and wants. Yesterday I went and met a friend for lunch at a rib place, had a 2 for 1 coupon from one of the coupon books the school kids sell. Its a good place to eat, but I will probably not be back until next years book comes out. And the book is chock full of restaurant coupons, at year end most get thrown out as I can only each so much. Weekly I get at least one mailer of coupons, on occasion I will set one aside and more often than not throw them away a week later expired and unused. I turned off groupon after about a week, got sick of it.

The number of sole proprietors that I deal with on a monthly basis is very small. I have someone spray for weeds, found them through a referral. Met my barber through another guy who owns a barbershop, and the lady who cleans I think I found through a mailer. That was after going through several failed attempts with other cleaning people. So I am not likely to switch for 10% off. I don't know that I am typical, but for the most part I am not cost conscious with these relationships.

I have a friend that does massages as a sole proprietor. I spoke with her about either Groupon or Living Social, her response was no way. First the cut they wanted her to take in profits would have been way too much. Second, she can only do so many massages in a day, her quality would really suffer if she had a massive inflow. I suspect my barber would say the same thing, but we talk about other stuff.

I would conclude the test run in Turkey says it all, 40,000 distributors sign up 3000 retailers.

littleroundman
09-21-2013, 10:42 AM
I would conclude the test run in Turkey says it all, 40,000 distributors sign up 3000 retailers.

A more important question for those concerned that FlexKom is yet another pyramid / endless chain recruiting scheme is:

"how many distributors did those distributors sign up"

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 12:23 PM
There's nothing to retract.

You haven't said anything of consequence.

I guess at your school if you throw enough insults around eventually you'll get someone to react.

Unfortunately in the grown up world, that strategy is unlikely to work, as you've discovered.

Blogger "littleroundman" claims I say nothing of consequence. As you can see by my post I am the only one who knows about FlexKom in here and these bloggers as they are jumping from one board to another sitting in their lazy boy chairs trying to figure out how FlexKom works, they still end up short. Most of them Have not a clear understanding of FlexKom at all. These are the guys you would chose to follow? They hate anything that doesn't look familiar. It has to be a "traditional" company with a traditional idea. Anything new and innovative scares them. How does this app work? Why not just sit in your store and wait for the customer to show up? Why Spend money on marketing. Why should they try a new way of reaching customers? Let me tell you the reader that marketing is moving to smart phones and if the small business doesn't have a m-commerce strategy he will be long gone.

baylee
09-21-2013, 12:45 PM
Blogger "littleroundman" claims I say nothing of consequence. As you can see by my post I am the only one who knows about FlexKom in here and these bloggers as they are jumping from one board to another sitting in their lazy boy chairs trying to figure out how FlexKom works, they still end up short. Most of them Have not a clear understanding of FlexKom at all. These are the guys you would chose to follow? They hate anything that doesn't look familiar. It has to be a "traditional" company with a traditional idea. Anything new and innovative scares them. How does this app work? Why not just sit in your store and wait for the customer to show up? Why Spend money on marketing. Why should they try a new way of reaching customers? Let me tell you the reader that marketing is moving to smart phones and if the small business doesn't have a m-commerce strategy he will be long gone.

Wow, That's a whole lot of words that said nothing at all.

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 02:03 PM
sorry justlogicnohate seeings as we seem to have a sense of humour failure here I will ask my question in a slightly different manner.

If I go into a store that uses FlexKom & I buy a newspaper for £1 does the shopkeeper give me anything back, loaded on to my FlexKom card or FlexKom account or whatever?

If so how much?

Ok I will answer with less humor but same answer. The store owner would make that determination. It could be 0 if he doesn't think it will bring more customers it could be 2% 2p I guess that would make. So do we really need/want to save on a $1 item?

Back in the day when credit cards came on the scene many retailers turned it down because they didn't want to spend the 2% on the service. After enough people came into the store and left because they didn't accept the cards the store owners evaluated the service fee versus the loss from customers walking out when they didn't have the cash. So Visa and Master card conquered the world. Very few businesses don't accept Credit and debit cards today. You arguments against FlexKom is similar in nature. Why would they? I believe we offer something much more valuable to our clients. We offer acces to the customers to the most important platform moving into the future. We offer a passive income to the retailer. We offer an incentive for our customers to chose our retailers. You guys may think Turkey is not going well but if you look at the counter on our website you can see over 4 million people have registered with FlexKom the service. Turkey doesn't have the app only one 5th of the stores have internet but the stores have reported increase in profit in 2 ways- income from the customers shopping in other stores and an increase of sales. In Turkey the FlexKom sticker in the window draws in FlexKom users. People love deals and they love rewards. They like the FlexMoney. The FlexMoney is FUN money. Free money. It stimulates their shopping experience. The rewards are another reason someone would switch to a new hair salon. At 1000 points you get a free TV 5000 points you get a vacation. It could take 3 years or more but you can see how close you are. So that little difference could make people switch to a FlexKom dentist etc.

It sounds like you guys are maybe a little older for sure 40 ish or older the way you describe your life. Kids and young adults love technology they where born into it. They love the game of getting flexmoney and spending it back. Smaller retailers don't currently have a way to reach their customers someone mentioned Facebook but Facebook is a social network it isn't truly for marketing people are annoyed if you market on Facebook. They want to see pictures of someones baby and share politics and sorts. FlexKom will be able to recruit a huge amount of members because each app the retailer gives out results is a small income every month for life, the app is free so it is easy to give it out. It also gives him a way to reach his customers on a platform that is agreed by the customer. The deal is he can reach them they get cash and rewards. Only one retailer has those privileges the rest can only get through if the customer is looking for it. Same as google. The customer goes on google looking for the deal. They look for what they need. Pet store, hardware, Locksmith. So on our app our customers look for what they need. New dress and they get a deal from a dress shop.

Lets say Las Vegas. We need 200 brand managers. They each get 1000 apps. We then give out the 1000 apps 200,000 customers with $2 on each $400,000 in money out there. We approach stores. The initial stores will be already ready some of our reps have stores. Some have family with stores. The initial stores will be maybe 400 then those stores start giving out the app as well. Maybe 200-300 a week our customer base grows. We then go to more accounts we have sales people who already have relationships with many accounts they open a ton of accounts. Now each store gives out 1000 apps each. Now we end up with more customers on the system and when our initial stores send marketing they reach an abundance of customers because we will get the customers faster. Now we walk in to the stores we show them the map of customers, thousands of customers where they are live right now and how many there are and ask them if they would like access to send them a marketing message. The terminal can reach them right now. The store owner will be able to determine how much discount he can offer if our customers come to his store. If we can bring him 50 new customers he may be able to give 5% or 3% it is up to him. He controls it. If he gives 10% he may get 100 new customers. If he gives 3% he may get 20 new customers. There is no cost to the transmission so if he tries one amount he can change it to another amount. Groupon doesn't allow less than 50% He may be a dry cleaner down the street and he may give 1% but there is a new family who just moved to the area who is looking for a new dry cleaner. They may go to him because he is closer than the other guy a block away but there was one even closer but our guy was on FlexKom. ....and they stay with him for 10 years. How much is that one new client worth?

Here in USA we have 1000 brand manager in our first month. We have a pretty good expansion between states which I was ver surprised of I thought it would be hard to get the expansion to happen but it is happening naturally. The roll out will be the moment of truth. If you guys are right the retailers would reject us. But they need something to help them stay in business. Retail has been declining the last decade. e-commerce keeps getting more and more of the share. The larger stores are also taking a lot of market share. Everyone knows Walmart is the big small business killer. FlexKom is a system that joins the small businesses together and makes them stronger not weaker.

Small businesses who could use FlexKom. Cleaners, restaurants, gyms, travel, liquor stores, spa, mechanics, Hair cuts, carpet care, plumber, Dentist, Plastic surgeons, Clothing stores, shoe stores, Movie theaters, Rock concerts, skin treatments, hardware, Bakery, produce, meat, Nutrition, Framing, lock smith, lazer treatment smoke shops the list is long long long

In USA 54% of businesses are small retailers.

ribshaw
09-21-2013, 02:31 PM
Smaller retailers don't currently have a way to reach their customers .

What the hell are you talking about, small retailers have NOTHING BUT ways to reach their customers.


FlexKom will be able to recruit a huge amount of members because each app the retailer gives out results is a small income every month for life,

Turkey proves this not to be so. Flexcom will be able to get a huge amount of people to piss away a few grand thinking they are going to ride the wave to easy street is a more accurate representation.


Here in USA we have 1000 brand manager in our first month.

As I was saying.


Small businesses who could use FlexKom. Cleaners, restaurants, gyms, travel, liquor stores, spa, mechanics, Hair cuts, carpet care, plumber, Dentist, Plastic surgeons, Clothing stores, shoe stores, Movie theaters, Rock concerts, skin treatments, hardware, Bakery, produce, meat, Nutrition, Framing, lock smith, lazer treatment smoke shops the list is long long long

The list of supermodels that COULD marry me is long, the list that WOULD no so much! The world is filled with COULD. 3000 sign ups for 40,000 reps proves this.


In USA 54% of businesses are small retailers.

You seem to not even be able to do basic market research. 54% of businesses are NOT SMALL RETAILERS. Small Business Trends | SBA.gov (http://www.sba.gov/content/small-business-trends)

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http://www.businessinsider.com/facts-about-small-businesses-in-america-2011-8?op=1

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justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 02:37 PM
Harrison,

I think your analysis is spot on, on my recent shopping trips I thought similar. I buy quite a bit from Amazon. Just bought a new computer, TV, dog bones (lots of those), protein bars, software, insoles and who knows what else. The UPS driver could do an Iron Man with all the up and down my driveway he does in a week. Ten years ago most of us would have had to head to either several different places, or one superstore. That day is done.

In my weekly shopping I go to a warehouse club and Target for almost all my families needs and wants. Yesterday I went and met a friend for lunch at a rib place, had a 2 for 1 coupon from one of the coupon books the school kids sell. Its a good place to eat, but I will probably not be back until next years book comes out. And the book is chock full of restaurant coupons, at year end most get thrown out as I can only each so much. Weekly I get at least one mailer of coupons, on occasion I will set one aside and more often than not throw them away a week later expired and unused. I turned off groupon after about a week, got sick of it.

The number of sole proprietors that I deal with on a monthly basis is very small. I have someone spray for weeds, found them through a referral. Met my barber through another guy who owns a barbershop, and the lady who cleans I think I found through a mailer. That was after going through several failed attempts with other cleaning people. So I am not likely to switch for 10% off. I don't know that I am typical, but for the most part I am not cost conscious with these relationships.

I have a friend that does massages as a sole proprietor. I spoke with her about either Groupon or Living Social, her response was no way. First the cut they wanted her to take in profits would have been way too much. Second, she can only do so many massages in a day, her quality would really suffer if she had a massive inflow. I suspect my barber would say the same thing, but we talk about other stuff.

I would conclude the test run in Turkey says it all, 40,000 distributors sign up 3000 retailers.

Mr "ribshaw" shops on Amazon. Amazon is a portal of resellers it's like google for shopping. Amazon takes a small percentage of the sale I imagine. FlexKom will have a similar portal.

Mr "ribshaw" had ribs at a rib place that is pretty funny actually. But anyway he was using a coupon. The rib place paid for that. "ribshaw" wont be back for a year. I wonder how much it costs the rib place to do that special. They gave double the amount of food and they paid for the coupon program. How much did the rib place make on Rib-shaw? And he wont be back fro a year when they are giving him another free meal. Costly for the rib place indeed. How much did ribshaw pay for the coupon book ? These coupon books more often get thrown out unused. People simply aren't attracted to paper much anymore. They want it in their hand when they are out a need it. To plan a trip to the rib place to use the coupon is not convenient. FlexKom is a targeted coupon book in your hand for free that never ends. It keeps going and going. It doesn't take up any extra space. It addresses your needs when you need them. search for oil change and there is your coupon geo targeted to your exact location.

Blogger "ribshaw" goes on and starts to compare Groupon to FlexKom If a massues used Groupon they would have to do the massage at 1/4 the price it would for sure be a loss leader. I don't think that is a winner. Since lots of Groupon people just go the next deal and never return to the store again. And then ribshaw says I turned it off. I think what he is referring to is his app which you can delete and turn off. I have mine turned off because i also got tired of it. But I go on if I am in the mood for something new. I check the adventure stuff and dinner deals. But here we can tell "ribshaw" isnt into technology to much I mean he is using coupons still. How old is he? Maybe that explains a lot here. but we can agree that Groupon has done quite well being valued at over 6 billion dollars.

Ribshaw also is explaining how he got most of his services through word of mouth. So I suppose he thinks all small business should just stick to word of mouth sit back and wait.

Numbers from Turkey are wrong. 13500 shops 4 million customers. There where more distributors than that actually.

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 02:49 PM
Ok, Mr. Logic. Try it this way:
Give it to me in pounds(euros/dollars)...

Below is FLEXKOMS own little example doodle. These are MY figures. You can be the FRANCHISEE.
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Please tell me the answers to these questions.
1/ How much money have YOU spent to be a franchise owner?
2/ How much do all these people : baker/petrol/chemist etc have to PAY YOU for there terminals?
3/How many cards do all of these people get to give out and how much do these cards cost once the initial allocation is gone?

(P.S The figures I've quoted are my own personal expenditure with LOCAL stores. My main spending is with MULTINATIONALS.
I would be really interested to see what other people on this board spend locally also?)

1. $2,200
2. $500
3. unlimited amount of free apps

I spend at least $500 a month locally between restaurants, services gas.
You are 61 Pounds so if you got an average of 5% back it would make 30P for the retailer that gave you the app/card and he has 1000 doing the same he makes 300 pounds a month the rep gets the same.

The apps here in USA a free to the retailer unless they want to brand the app. cards would be maybe $2 each and loaded with $2

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 03:17 PM
Ok I have done my 10 hours of this work. I have enough for my news ketter showing when it comes down to it you guys don't know what you are talking about. I explain it well to my prospects and they understand it better than you so now I show them you are not informed enough to make any judgement on FlexKom as you have no idea of how it works and therefore all you se is scam. So take care guys and enjoy your hobby.

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ribshaw
09-21-2013, 03:50 PM
The rib place paid for that. "ribshaw" wont be back for a year. I wonder how much it costs the rib place to do that special. They gave double the amount of food and they paid for the coupon program. How much did the rib place make on Rib-shaw? And he wont be back fro a year when they are giving him another free meal. Costly for the rib place indeed.

I almost thought you were going to catch on, if you had only stopped here..



How much did ribshaw pay for the coupon book ?

No more than $20, but old men like me don't remember too well.



To plan a trip to the rib place to use the coupon is not convenient.

Planning a trip to the moon is not convenient, a trip to any place else in town is what we all do every day.



FlexKom is a targeted coupon book in your hand for free that never ends.

This is where you just lost it, "FREE". It is not "FREE" for the very reason you described above. Any way you slice it, promotions cost money. If it was "FREE", then you and all your Flexcon pals would not have any pretendy paychecks to be looking forward to. Further, if you asked the average business person, do they want the cost of the discount to go to a potential customer, or some recruiting scheme they will pick the customer virtually every time.


Blogger "ribshaw" goes on and starts to compare Groupon to FlexKom If a massues used Groupon they would have to do the massage at 1/4 the price it would for sure be a loss leader. I don't think that is a winner. Since lots of Groupon people just go the next deal and never return to the store again. And then ribshaw says I turned it off. I think what he is referring to is his app which you can delete and turn off. I have mine turned off because i also got tired of it.

Correct on the Groupon analysis. I was not though comparing Groupon to Flexcom, I was thinking through the problem that many small business owners have with discounting as a means of driving traffic. Even a restaurant where the BOGO works very well, must be careful to staff properly around promotions or they run the risk of poor customer service.



But here we can tell "ribshaw" isnt into technology to much I mean he is using coupons still. How old is he? Maybe that explains a lot here. but we can agree that Groupon has done quite well being valued at over 6 billion dollars.

Ribshaw is old, his social security number is 4. Not in to technology, yes and no. Not in to being pestered YES. I use email for any business that I want to have reach out to me, and as mentioned, Amazon emails daily deals, along with other suggestions based on my purchase history. That is plenty, covers almost every business transaction I need. Just went Parasailing on our trip to the beach, had the great grandkids score me a deal on the interwebs, you kids LOL. Adventure, great, seldom do MOST professionals have time to hit the go-cart track on the drop of a hat. Even us old guys with plenty of time, can plan for a trip like that.


Ribshaw also is explaining how he got most of his services through word of mouth. So I suppose he thinks all small business should just stick to word of mouth sit back and wait.

Here again, you draw the wrong conclusion from an observation. This statement depicts how many small businesses get and retain quality clients. So when you are throwing around the numbers of small businesses, you must SUBTRACT these people from the pool of people that are itching to sign up for Flexcom. I never said business should not advertise. What I said, was I would not switch some of the small businesses I use to save a few bucks.


Numbers from Turkey are wrong. 13500 shops 4 million customers. There where more distributors than that actually.

Ok so more that 43,000 distributors signed up 13,500 shops, so every 4 distributors gets 1 shop. Sounds like a welding helmet is needed to avoid being blinded by the growth. And 4 million customers generating what for who? Sure would be nice if you could put up some links to actual earning statements and transaction revenue.

Do use large font though, muh eyes aint what they used to be.

HARRISON
09-21-2013, 04:11 PM
1. $2,200
2. $500
3. unlimited amount of free apps

I spend at least $500 a month locally between restaurants, services gas.
You are 61 Pounds so if you got an average of 5% back it would make 30P for the retailer that gave you the app/card and he has 1000 doing the same he makes 300 pounds a month the rep gets the same.

The apps here in USA a free to the retailer unless they want to brand the app. cards would be maybe $2 each and loaded with $2

Thank you for that clear explanation.

So, YOU have paid $2200 for a franchise. You have then sold to your SIX retailers (who are within your quota of 100,000 customers) at $500 a pop.
Thats $3000 for you? Nice little earner! No wonder your fighting so hard on here to defend your cash cow.

Your figures through assume that ALL 1000 people will buy the SAME amount of products. Over and over. They don't. Not on a regular basis. My old purse is stuffed with old plastic that never sees the light of day. I have a Morrisons petrol card (that I annoyingly ALWAYS leave at home when I'm buying petrol from them!) A nectar card that I used to use all the time and then moved (so the stores in my new area don't have shops that take it) I only use my Tesco clubcard now that gives me lots of loyalty points on my shopping and my petrol so why would I shop somewhere else? And ditto with my CO-OP divi card.

But your last word is really telling. You have used this forum as a sales tool so that you can show OTHER people that YOU know what your talking about and we don't? Even through we have simply asked you questions that you have been (mostly) unwilling to answer?

You have already sold to your quota of retailers so now you are recruiting, WHO? Sales Team members??? Who will have to find there own little retailers to sell to?


And now about these retailers?
They have paid YOU $500. Which includes a set number of cards? Which the retailer GIVES away? They won't last very long! 1000 cards will be gone in a couple of weeks, easy. So he has to buy some more? At $2 a pop?

So now I have my retailers hat on. I'm down $500 for the license I've had to buy from YOU. I'm down $x on the discounts I have to give clients who present there Flexkom card to me? And I'm down if those clients don't actually give me REAL cash but use the FLEXKOM dollars to 'pay' me with? Don't think my council/wholesaler/electric etc will accept FLEXKOM DOLLARS in payment somehow.

And as for this 5% back. Lets say somebody uses my card in the bakery, to buy a loaf of bread. I get 5p. Fair enough.
But I am one of SIX retailers in my local area. So, in theory, if my customers are all local too, they would have visited ALL these six stores and been given SIX FLEXKOM cards in total?

So the chances of MY card being used are 1 in 6? To get 5p?

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 04:15 PM
I will leave you with this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFC4c-0HNfE

The rest is on youtube

What FlexKom is a customer loyalty service. We have over 4 million customers in Turkey inside of a 2 years. last month we added 200,000 customers so we are doing quite well.

JustlogicNOhate

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 04:19 PM
Thank you for that clear explanation.

So, YOU have paid $2200 for a franchise. You have then sold to your SIX retailers (who are within your quota of 100,000 customers) at $500 a pop.
Thats $3000 for you? Nice little earner! No wonder your fighting so hard on here to defend your cash cow.

Your figures through assume that ALL 1000 people will buy the SAME amount of products. Over and over. They don't. Not on a regular basis. My old purse is stuffed with old plastic that never sees the light of day. I have a Morrisons petrol card (that I annoyingly ALWAYS leave at home when I'm buying petrol from them!) A nectar card that I used to use all the time and then moved (so the stores in my new area don't have shops that take it) I only use my Tesco clubcard now that gives me lots of loyalty points on my shopping and my petrol so why would I shop somewhere else? And ditto with my CO-OP divi card.

But your last word is really telling. You have used this forum as a sales tool so that you can show OTHER people that YOU know what your talking about and we don't? Even through we have simply asked you questions that you have been (mostly) unwilling to answer?

You have already sold to your quota of retailers so now you are recruiting, WHO? Sales Team members??? Who will have to find there own little retailers to sell to?


And now about these retailers?
They have paid YOU $500. Which includes a set number of cards? Which the retailer GIVES away? They won't last very long! 1000 cards will be gone in a couple of weeks, easy. So he has to buy some more? At $2 a pop?

So now I have my retailers hat on. I'm down $500 for the license I've had to buy from YOU. I'm down $x on the discounts I have to give clients who present there Flexkom card to me? And I'm down if those clients don't actually give me REAL cash but use the FLEXKOM dollars to 'pay' me with? Don't think my council/wholesaler/electric etc will accept FLEXKOM DOLLARS in payment somehow.

And as for this 5% back. Lets say somebody uses my card in the bakery, to buy a loaf of bread. I get 5p. Fair enough.
But I am one of SIX retailers in my local area. So, in theory, if my customers are all local too, they would have visited ALL these six stores and been given SIX FLEXKOM cards in total?

So the chances of MY card being used are 1 in 6? To get 5p?

why dont you just learn how we do business instead of guessing. It's still all wrong watch the video i posted and then go to youtube and watch all three videos.

HARRISON
09-21-2013, 04:23 PM
I will leave you with this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFC4c-0HNfE

The rest is on youtube

What FlexKom is a customer loyalty service. We have over 4 million customers in Turkey inside of a 2 years. last month we added 200,000 customers so we are doing quite well.

JustlogicNOhate

...what? So you think it is a done deal? You are right and this is the video so our questions are not going to be answered? :pulling_hair_out:

Am I right that customers will get a card (or app) from ALL participating retailers within there area and so will have multiple cards in there purses and/or mobile phones?

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 06:16 PM
...what? So you think it is a done deal? You are right and this is the video so our questions are not going to be answered? :pulling_hair_out:

Am I right that customers will get a card (or app) from ALL participating retailers within there area and so will have multiple cards in there purses and/or mobile phones?

Harrison WTF! Wake up. ONE CARD ONE SYSTEM ACROSS THE PLANET.


http://youtu.be/CbFCdU089Js

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 06:20 PM
http://youtu.be/8rNWn42suQY

baylee
09-21-2013, 06:40 PM
I use the same auto mechanic because his shop has reasonable prices, up to date certifications, and proven past history of excellent and on time work.
my wife knows and likes her hair dresser and would not change or drive somewhere else to save 5 or 10%.
We know and trust the vet and his partners and would not dream of changing.

Most people would not change, drive or go elsewhere to save 5 or 10%.

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 07:01 PM
Thank you for that clear explanation.

So, YOU have paid $2200 for a franchise. You have then sold to your SIX retailers (who are within your quota of 100,000 customers) at $500 a pop.
Thats $3000 for you? Nice little earner! No wonder your fighting so hard on here to defend your cash cow.

Your figures through assume that ALL 1000 people will buy the SAME amount of products. Over and over. They don't. Not on a regular basis. My old purse is stuffed with old plastic that never sees the light of day. I have a Morrisons petrol card (that I annoyingly ALWAYS leave at home when I'm buying petrol from them!) A nectar card that I used to use all the time and then moved (so the stores in my new area don't have shops that take it) I only use my Tesco clubcard now that gives me lots of loyalty points on my shopping and my petrol so why would I shop somewhere else? And ditto with my CO-OP divi card.

But your last word is really telling. You have used this forum as a sales tool so that you can show OTHER people that YOU know what your talking about and we don't? Even through we have simply asked you questions that you have been (mostly) unwilling to answer?

You have already sold to your quota of retailers so now you are recruiting, WHO? Sales Team members??? Who will have to find there own little retailers to sell to?


And now about these retailers?
They have paid YOU $500. Which includes a set number of cards? Which the retailer GIVES away? They won't last very long! 1000 cards will be gone in a couple of weeks, easy. So he has to buy some more? At $2 a pop?

So now I have my retailers hat on. I'm down $500 for the license I've had to buy from YOU. I'm down $x on the discounts I have to give clients who present there Flexkom card to me? And I'm down if those clients don't actually give me REAL cash but use the FLEXKOM dollars to 'pay' me with? Don't think my council/wholesaler/electric etc will accept FLEXKOM DOLLARS in payment somehow.

And as for this 5% back. Lets say somebody uses my card in the bakery, to buy a loaf of bread. I get 5p. Fair enough.
But I am one of SIX retailers in my local area. So, in theory, if my customers are all local too, they would have visited ALL these six stores and been given SIX FLEXKOM cards in total?

So the chances of MY card being used are 1 in 6? To get 5p?

http://thefutureofbusinessintheuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/35_Begutachtung_FlexKom_EN.pdf

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 07:02 PM
Yes I do call entire MLM or whichever you call your scams these day ( network marketing, direct sales ) a scam, it is illegal in several countries and immoral at least.



Got it wrong, not everybody was so excited readin Kyosaki, Big secret, listening pimps in hotel halls and other delusional crap and woke up one day and said "I CAN BE POSITIVE, I CAN DO IT, I VISUALIZE IT NOW" and went on scamming around other folks.

Some can smell a scam miles away.



You got this right.



Lets look at that from another point, 90% of MLM participants loose money, from remaining, 5% make some not sufficient even call it an earning, and the rest are living on top of pyramid.
Do you want to split who are women who are men? than i would say 75% of victims of MLM are women according to your numbers.

Organizers should be locked up and promoters who violate the laws once they are in place. regardless if they are men or women or what kind of crap they trying to sell, those crap products are the only excuse for a damn pyramid. that product has no chance of survival in real market, otherwise it would not use a pyramid but gain retail sales traditional (non-scam) ways.

Sooner or later those housewifes will understand the error of their ways and what pyramid marketing is.
How long you have been in this crap ? one day you will come to the same conclusions, unless of course you the top one and rip money on other people's losses.






Legal for now. and not around the world.

http://thefutureofbusinessintheuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/35_Begutachtung_FlexKom_EN.pdf

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 08:24 PM
There's nothing to retract.

You haven't said anything of consequence.

I guess at your school if you throw enough insults around eventually you'll get someone to react.

Unfortunately in the grown up world, that strategy is unlikely to work, as you've discovered.

Reader please read this link

http://thefutureofbusinessintheuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/35_Begutachtung_FlexKom_EN.pdf

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 08:28 PM
I use the same auto mechanic because his shop has reasonable prices, up to date certifications, and proven past history of excellent and on time work.
my wife knows and likes her hair dresser and would not change or drive somewhere else to save 5 or 10%.
We know and trust the vet and his partners and would not dream of changing.

Most people would not change, drive or go elsewhere to save 5 or 10%.

By the sound of it you must buy the same model car and go to the same vacation spot every year. And buy the same kind of underwear once a year.

justlogicnohate
09-21-2013, 08:32 PM
A more important question for those concerned that FlexKom is yet another pyramid / endless chain recruiting scheme is:

"how many distributors did those distributors sign up"

You could also say it is not one of those
http://thefutureofbusinessintheuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/35_Begutachtung_FlexKom_EN.pdf

baylee
09-21-2013, 10:45 PM
By the sound of it you must buy the same model car and go to the same vacation spot every year. And buy the same kind of underwear once a year.

Sorry, but I own a Ford truck, a Pontiac Grande Prix GXP (wife's toy) and 150 cc Motor scooter which I ride with my German spiked helmet and a streamer tied to the spike! I always wear my spiked helmet with the streamer when I ride. The last two vacations taken were to Cabo and Daytona. I must admit that I purchase the same kind of underwear every time. (Hanes)

littleroundman
09-21-2013, 10:58 PM
Apparently one of the advantages of becoming a pimp representative for FlexKom is you become psychic.

"justnonsensenologic" has been endowed with the ability to discern peoples' underwear buying and holidaying habits merely by laying his lips on the screen.

Don't ya just love what endless chain recruiting can do for you ??

justlogicnohate
09-22-2013, 03:24 AM
Sorry, but I own a Ford truck, a Pontiac Grande Prix GXP (wife's toy) and 150 cc Motor scooter which I ride with my German spiked helmet and a streamer tied to the spike! I always wear my spiked helmet with the streamer when I ride. The last two vacations taken were to Cabo and Daytona. I must admit that I purchase the same kind of underwear every time. (Hanes)

Venture out my friend venture out

justlogicnohate
09-22-2013, 03:28 AM
Apparently one of the advantages of becoming a pimp representative for FlexKom is you become psychic.

"justnonsensenologic" has been endowed with the ability to discern peoples' underwear buying and holidaying habits merely by laying his lips on the screen.

Don't ya just love what endless chain recruiting can do for you ??



Hard Out Here for a Pimp - Hustle & Flow (5/9) Movie CLIP (2005) HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cr0nP3k_p4)

path2prosperity
09-22-2013, 08:06 AM
http://thefutureofbusinessintheuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/35_Begutachtung_FlexKom_EN.pdf

What on earth does FlexKom sales spiel have to do with the future of business in the UK.

Two of the largest industries in UK are agriculture and defence. Farmers who are sewing their winter cereals have to trust their own hunches and make educated guesses. Does FlexKom think that their guesses will effect cereal production or the Syrian conflict? Those two events will have a real effect on business in UK. What happens with FlexKom is neither here no there in the future of our economy. It is no more than a drop in the ocean.

NikSam
09-22-2013, 09:53 AM
As a Future of Business in UK, they meant Pyramids :)

RUN, there is no future for anyone if it happens.

ribshaw
09-22-2013, 11:03 AM
Justlogicnohate = Scambloggertakedown??????????????

Either way, seems more of an organized campaign than a few random reps showing up to discuss how they are going to change the world. I think the two bloggers at the top bring up some valid business concerns.

Flexkom Scam Turkey - Germany & the Netherlands : Scams (http://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/1l1vdu/)
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This blogger "scambloggertakedown" sure does write and spin yarns like someone I have read before.

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HARRISON
09-22-2013, 11:58 AM
JUSTHATENOLOGIC...WAS THE QUESTION TO HARD FOR YOU?

I visit the hairdresser. I get a card from him so that if I use this card/app, the hairdresser gets the commission.
I visit the baker. I get a card from him so that if I use this card/app, the baker gets the commission.
I visit the petrol station. I get a card from him so that if I use this card/app, the petrol station gets the commission.
I visit the health club. I get a card from him so that if I use this card/app, the health club gets the commission etc, etc, etc

So, Mr. ' I'll blind them with science and lots of brochures and BS' this is NOT a ONE card/app loyalty scheme! Its a KON! A FLEXKON!

justlogicnohate
09-22-2013, 12:57 PM
Sorry, but I own a Ford truck, a Pontiac Grande Prix GXP (wife's toy) and 150 cc Motor scooter which I ride with my German spiked helmet and a streamer tied to the spike! I always wear my spiked helmet with the streamer when I ride. The last two vacations taken were to Cabo and Daytona. I must admit that I purchase the same kind of underwear every time. (Hanes)

Let me guess you still have a flip phone?

justlogicnohate
09-22-2013, 01:14 PM
What on earth does FlexKom sales spiel have to do with the future of business in the UK.

Two of the largest industries in UK are agriculture and defence. Farmers who are sewing their winter cereals have to trust their own hunches and make educated guesses. Does FlexKom think that their guesses will effect cereal production or the Syrian conflict? Those two events will have a real effect on business in UK. What happens with FlexKom is neither here no there in the future of our economy. It is no more than a drop in the ocean.

Huh? What?

The link is a pdf they guy chose to name his site whatever.

justlogicnohate
09-22-2013, 02:24 PM
JUSTHATENOLOGIC...WAS THE QUESTION TO HARD FOR YOU?

I visit the hairdresser. I get a card from him so that if I use this card/app, the hairdresser gets the commission.
I visit the baker. I get a card from him so that if I use this card/app, the baker gets the commission.
I visit the petrol station. I get a card from him so that if I use this card/app, the petrol station gets the commission.
I visit the health club. I get a card from him so that if I use this card/app, the health club gets the commission etc, etc, etc

So, Mr. ' I'll blind them with science and lots of brochures and BS' this is NOT a ONE card/app loyalty scheme! Its a KON! A FLEXKON!

LOL No "harrison"!

I visit the hairdresser. The Hair dresser asks me if I want to be part of The hairdressers loyalty program for free. I sign in with my name and info.

I visit the baker he asks me if I am with FlexKom yet. I say yes and I get 5% back I scan the QR code (no card is given since I am already in the system) and the hairdresser gets a commission

I visit the petrol station and I get 3% back the hairdresser gets a commission. At the petrol station I get a voucher for a car wash for 3 flexMoney

I visit the car wash and and pay $12 and get 3 flexmoney back the hair dresser gets a commission.

On my way home I see a FlexKom sticker in the pizza shop window and I buy a Pizza using my Flexmoney.

At the end of the day FlexKom and all the merchants reconcile. So the Flexmoney I spent at the pizza shop The Pizza shop gets money from FlexKom.

So the Hair dresser signs up the customer once and then whenever that person shops with it's ONE card the hair dresser gets paid and that person can never sign up with another merchant.

So in a city of say 500,000 people we need 50 reps that sign 10 stores each. Those stores sign 1000 customers each and then we have 500,000 customers. (well 499,000 because "harrison refused the app " I will not join one of those pyramids") Then those 500 stores can be seen by 499,000 people which will drive more customers to the shops. The large stores don't get to participate it is just for the smaller stores. We do

After we have 50 reps in that area we stop taking more reps so its not an endless chain it ends at that point then our 50 reps will be the only reps to sell our service.

So the hairdresser signs 1000 customers and creates a passive residual from those customers shopping everywhere. FlexKom then helps the hairdresser bring new customers and also make money selling everything from Pizza to carwashes. Pretty brilliant system if I can put my opinion in. The income offsets the discounts the hair dresser offers. It will drive more customers to him. According to the Law Firm Shenk & Shulenberg the FlexKom pay system is not a Network Marketing pay plan. The company makes 93% of the money from the sales through the access points and only 7% from building out the sales team. Report can be found here (http://thefutureofbusinessintheuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/35_Begutachtung_FlexKom_EN.pdf)

The report also points to that the average per card income for the retailer is 30p a month not bad for the first 2 years. FlexKom revenue is currently over 525,000 Euro a day in Turkey from use of cards in stores. "Mr Ribshaw" Thinks those numbers are terrible for a start up company, but I think they are fantastic. FlexKom valuation is pretty fantastic since the Balance is usually sitting on the apps in the bank so to speak. The math would be each card average cash back is 3.5 Euro times 4.5 million 15.75 million a month

path2prosperity
09-22-2013, 02:44 PM
Huh? What?

The link is a pdf they guy chose to name his site whatever.

Well naming it something as idiotic as "futureofbusinessinuk" should be enough to tell anybody that the guy is not a member of the British "chattering classes" which is synonymous with "thinking people." The name makes it blatantly obvious that the guy is talking about pyramid scams which have nothing whatsoever to do with real businesses in UK.

HARRISON
09-22-2013, 03:13 PM
LOL No "harrison"!



[QUOTESo in a city of say 500,000 people we need 50 reps that sign 10 stores each. Those stores sign 1000 customers each and then we have 500,000 customers. (well 499,000 because "harrison refused the app " I will not join one of those pyramids") Then those 500 stores can be seen by 499,000 people which will drive more customers to the shops. The large stores don't get to participate it is just for the smaller stores. We do

After we have 50 reps in that area we stop taking more reps so its not an endless chain it ends at that point then our 50 reps will be the only reps to sell our service

Ok...I'll run with the 'one card' for now. Only one card per person.

But, actually, only one card is very unfair on the retailers that have joined AFTER the initial 3 or 4 as the pool of people is smaller. Surely it would benefit the retailer to make sure customers get THERE cards and not others?

And where does this magically 1000 customers come from?

Who ALL sign up for a card? And FIFTY reps, SIGNING UP TEN STORES EACH is just made up 'pie in the sky'.

And your figures bring me back to my fundemental question.
HOW MANY MULTINATIONAL COMPANYS HAVE FLEXCON SIGNED UP?

AND WHO ARE YOU? You are NOT an ordinary franchisee. You are high up on the FLEXCON rung aren't you?

baylee
09-22-2013, 05:07 PM
Let me guess you still have a flip phone?

Do you need to borrow it?

Wouter Hol
09-22-2013, 05:41 PM
Let's say that you have 10 dollars. You give those 10 dollars to me. Then I give you back 2 dollars. A normal person would say he'd just made a loss of 8 dollars. But a Flexkom person would explain this as a profit of 2 dollars.

The commisions that justlogicnohate is talking about are being paid entirely by shops such as the baker, the petrol station and the car wash. Flexkom people are generally unable to understand that their system is causing massive unnecessary loss to the shops, because of the commisions that a shop has to pay to other shops and, more important, to the Flexkom licenceholders/franchisers/agents/pimps. Not that that matters, because every shopowner can see that, thus there is no chance for Flexkom to ever get started.

justlogicnohate
09-22-2013, 10:32 PM
As a Future of Business in UK, they meant Pyramids :)

RUN, there is no future for anyone if it happens.

"Niksam" is blind to the fact that the world is built in a pyramid structure. The top of the pyramid are the owners of the banks and at the bottom is the world.

littleroundman
09-22-2013, 10:57 PM
On the other hand "justnonsensenologic" is blind to the fact a "pyramid SCHEME" is not the same as a "pyramid shaped business structure"

justlogicnohate
09-22-2013, 11:36 PM
Let's say that you have 10 dollars. You give those 10 dollars to me. Then I give you back 2 dollars. A normal person would say he'd just made a loss of 8 dollars. But a Flexkom person would explain this as a profit of 2 dollars.

A normal person would say you just ripped me off.


The commisions that justlogicnohate is talking about are being paid entirely by shops such as the baker, the petrol station and the car wash. Flexkom people are generally unable to understand that their system is causing massive unnecessary loss to the shops, because of the commisions that a shop has to pay to other shops and, more important, to the Flexkom licenceholders/franchisers/agents/pimps. Not that that matters, because every shopowner can see that, thus there is no chance for Flexkom to ever get started.

Why does Wouter Hol think the larger stores have loyalty programs? Why do airlines have loyalty airlines miles? Wouter Hol is arguing something that is obviously working everywhere. So the reader is looking at your post wondering if you are serious or just joking. It would be like saying why would stores want to give a coupon to discount their merchandize? They would lose that money wouldn't they? How do you guys feel qualified to even comment on FlexKom when you don't understand basic business principals. FlexKom has the customer so the stores want customers. What part of that is so hard for these bloggers to understand. Customers love cash back they love free stuff they love prizes so the system drives the customer to the FlexKom business. Geeeeeeeezzzzz! Did you ever think there are maybe 5 bakers in town. So When FlexKom customers chose their baker it could maybe be the FlexKom baker over the Baker that has no deals. Or the super market that doesn't have a cash back program. Marketing 101 I am tired of this nonsense.

Here in USA AAA has tons of stores that give it's members discounts because there are so many members the corporation gave them a discount. My buddy works for boeing and he has discounts with lots of companies including 15% on his cell phone bill. FlexKom is based on volume discount . I guarantee that in a town if there are 6 pizza parlors 2 join FlexKom those 2 will make more profit than the one that don't join even though they give cash back. Why because we will have the customers and the customers like deals.

I have been working with small retailers for 5 years now. Creating websites and online marketing. Google has done well with it's local program. Smart phone sites have worked for them. But still in USA the yellow book is pretty much over. So now reaching new customers is pretty much all about smart phone marketing. People look on their phones to find what they need locally. FlexKOm is a local solution for small businesses. The fee is in the discount. The business can chose to give 1% back if they like and still reach a lot of people with their message. But if they want to get good response they may want to offer more.

Here is a question that needs to be considered. If I came to your store and I said I would like to buy 1 pizza how much is it? 10 dollars. Ok so I am having a big event and I need 100 pizzas but I would like to get a discount for buying that many. What can I get? Can I get 100 pizzas for 900 dollars? If the store says yes did I just take $100 from the pizza shop? Or did I make the pizza shop $900 less the cost of goods? The guys on this board think I just took the pizza shop for $100 according to their logic. I keep saying we will bring them new customers and help them keep the existing ones. We will increase their volume just like my pizza example. More volume more money in addition we will pay them income from the customers they sign. We eliminate the cost they would incur sending flyers and taking out adds in the paper and other marketing costs.

Speaking of pizza. I am here now in USA and I could use a pizza now. What comes to my mind are the big chains not the small stores. I will be able to search on my phone FlexKom pizza places. And what they offer. I will only find the ones that are close to me so it will be simple. I like the cash back and I like the points towards my prizes. I also like to support the smaller retailer So now I am at least aware of another possible place I can buy the pizza. Now if I buy the pizza from the FlexKom place instead of Dominoes wouldn't that be a great service for the pizza place? I like my Flexmoney I like my rewards so now Dominoes has real competition from Jhonny's Pizza place. Johnny got a new customer that he most likely would never get without FlexKom. If I searched google I may find Johnny's Pizza parlor but why would I pick him over the others?

There are tons of reasons to offer loyalty rewards I found these articles

Loaylty article #1 (http://associationsnow.com/2013/08/small-businesses-stay-loyal-to-customer-loyalty-programs/)

Loyalty article #2 (http://www.blackenterprise.com/small-business/small-business-customer-loyalty-programs-offered/)

Loyalty article #1 sba.Gov (http://www.sba.gov/community/blogs/7-tips-starting-successful-customer-loyalty-program)

The problem with the cards that you get a stamp on or the cards that you clip is most people forget to bring their card and it ends up being a bad experince since the customer will be upset for forgetting the card at home. FlexKom's terminal can read your phone, card or even you finger print. So you never forget your card. It is alos more powerful since it tracks you in multiple places and the reward gets more exciting. I mean how many yogurts will you buy in a year? With FlexKOm everything is tracked and you end up with a prize you care about. A vacation at 5000 points. All of it will not cost you the customer anything it is just a thank you you get for choosing our store. When that Vacation gets sent out it will be sent curtesy the the store that signed you up so the store truly gets the credit for the reward you earn.

FlexKom brings technology, the service, the commissions and the customers It's perfection

justlogicnohate
09-22-2013, 11:36 PM
Let's say that you have 10 dollars. You give those 10 dollars to me. Then I give you back 2 dollars. A normal person would say he'd just made a loss of 8 dollars. But a Flexkom person would explain this as a profit of 2 dollars.

A normal person would say you just ripped me off.


The commisions that justlogicnohate is talking about are being paid entirely by shops such as the baker, the petrol station and the car wash. Flexkom people are generally unable to understand that their system is causing massive unnecessary loss to the shops, because of the commisions that a shop has to pay to other shops and, more important, to the Flexkom licenceholders/franchisers/agents/pimps. Not that that matters, because every shopowner can see that, thus there is no chance for Flexkom to ever get started.

Why does Wouter Hol think the larger stores have loyalty programs? Why do airlines have loyalty airlines miles? Wouter Hol is arguing something that is obviously working everywhere. So the reader is looking at your post wondering if you are serious or just joking. It would be like saying why would stores want to give a coupon to discount their merchandize? They would lose that money wouldn't they? How do you guys feel qualified to even comment on FlexKom when you don't understand basic business principals. FlexKom has the customer so the stores want customers. What part of that is so hard for these bloggers to understand. Customers love cash back they love free stuff they love prizes so the system drives the customer to the FlexKom business. Geeeeeeeezzzzz! Did you ever think there are maybe 5 bakers in town. So When FlexKom customers chose their baker it could maybe be the FlexKom baker over the Baker that has no deals. Or the super market that doesn't have a cash back program. Marketing 101 I am tired of this nonsense.

Here in USA AAA has tons of stores that give it's members discounts because there are so many members the corporation gave them a discount. My buddy works for boeing and he has discounts with lots of companies including 15% on his cell phone bill. FlexKom is based on volume discount . I guarantee that in a town if there are 6 pizza parlors 2 join FlexKom those 2 will make more profit than the one that don't join even though they give cash back. Why because we will have the customers and the customers like deals.

I have been working with small retailers for 5 years now. Creating websites and online marketing. Google has done well with it's local program. Smart phone sites have worked for them. But still in USA the yellow book is pretty much over. So now reaching new customers is pretty much all about smart phone marketing. People look on their phones to find what they need locally. FlexKOm is a local solution for small businesses. The fee is in the discount. The business can chose to give 1% back if they like and still reach a lot of people with their message. But if they want to get good response they may want to offer more.

Here is a question that needs to be considered. If I came to your store and I said I would like to buy 1 pizza how much is it? 10 dollars. Ok so I am having a big event and I need 100 pizzas but I would like to get a discount for buying that many. What can I get? Can I get 100 pizzas for 900 dollars? If the store says yes did I just take $100 from the pizza shop? Or did I make the pizza shop $900 less the cost of goods? The guys on this board think I just took the pizza shop for $100 according to their logic. I keep saying we will bring them new customers and help them keep the existing ones. We will increase their volume just like my pizza example. More volume more money in addition we will pay them income from the customers they sign. We eliminate the cost they would incur sending flyers and taking out adds in the paper and other marketing costs.

Speaking of pizza. I am here now in USA and I could use a pizza now. What comes to my mind are the big chains not the small stores. I will be able to search on my phone FlexKom pizza places. And what they offer. I will only find the ones that are close to me so it will be simple. I like the cash back and I like the points towards my prizes. I also like to support the smaller retailer So now I am at least aware of another possible place I can buy the pizza. Now if I buy the pizza from the FlexKom place instead of Dominoes wouldn't that be a great service for the pizza place? I like my Flexmoney I like my rewards so now Dominoes has real competition from Jhonny's Pizza place. Johnny got a new customer that he most likely would never get without FlexKom. If I searched google I may find Johnny's Pizza parlor but why would I pick him over the others?

There are tons of reasons to offer loyalty rewards I found these articles

Loaylty article #1 (http://associationsnow.com/2013/08/small-businesses-stay-loyal-to-customer-loyalty-programs/)

Loyalty article #2 (http://www.blackenterprise.com/small-business/small-business-customer-loyalty-programs-offered/)

Loyalty article #1 sba.Gov (http://www.sba.gov/community/blogs/7-tips-starting-successful-customer-loyalty-program)

The problem with the cards that you get a stamp on or the cards that you clip is most people forget to bring their card and it ends up being a bad experince since the customer will be upset for forgetting the card at home. FlexKom's terminal can read your phone, card or even you finger print. So you never forget your card. It is alos more powerful since it tracks you in multiple places and the reward gets more exciting. I mean how many yogurts will you buy in a year? With FlexKOm everything is tracked and you end up with a prize you care about. A vacation at 5000 points. All of it will not cost you the customer anything it is just a thank you you get for choosing our store. When that Vacation gets sent out it will be sent curtesy the the store that signed you up so the store truly gets the credit for the reward you earn.

FlexKom brings technology, the service, the commissions and the customers It's perfection

littleroundman
09-22-2013, 11:40 PM
I am tired of this nonsense.

Then stop spouting it.

justlogicnohate
09-22-2013, 11:43 PM
On the other hand "justnonsensenologic" is blind to the fact a "pyramid SCHEME" is not the same as a "pyramid shaped business structure"

Blogger "a little round man" is the authority on this subject. Can someone please call this law firm and tell them "a little round man" needs to talk to them and explain the law on pyramid schemes.

Please find the report here.

http://thefutureofbusinessintheuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/35_Begutachtung_FlexKom_EN.pdf

Maybe blogger "a little round man" can also post a report so we can understand how FlexKom is a "pyramid scheme" since these attorneys missed it some how.

justlogicnohate
09-22-2013, 11:58 PM
A more important question for those concerned that FlexKom is yet another pyramid / endless chain recruiting scheme is:

"how many distributors did those distributors sign up"

The reader needs to know that the recruiting phase is not endless we only need a certain amount of reps in each area. You can see the amounts needed on this website for USA. We are not a Network marketing company who recruits new reps indefinitely we are a Franchise model but our owners are recruiting the other franchises until we have our needed number.

Millionaire Island (https://www.millionaireisland.com/cgi-bin/in1.pl?inview=700&type=normal&market=226&country=USA&state=CALIFORNIA)

For FlexKom to roll out their program by hiring the sales team it would cost us 300 million in just USA and then add another 49 countries that creates a number to big for this start up. So we use a franchise type model to get the sales team in place. The time is also a factor we are currently launching in 10 countries and plan on being in full swing in all countries by January 2014. First to market is important and to stay ahead of the competition. There are companies that have big pockets that could try to over take Flexkom in this blue ocean space.

justlogicnohate
09-23-2013, 12:03 AM
Schulenberg &Schenk

ATTORNEYS

This evaluation of the marketing plan of Flexkom International Holding AG was prepared in

German for the German market by Schulenberg & Schenk, Attorneys at Law, Hamburg. The

German evaluation was translated by the translation agency Schnellübersetzer GmbH,

Cologne.

Our file number: 2607/13 SC01 NND34118 Hamburg, 09 August 2013

Assessment of the marketing plan of FlexKom

Ladies and Gentlemen:

We have evaluated the lawfulness of your marketing plan in accordance with the documents

"Flex-Kom_Business_Praesentation_DTS_051212 original"

and

"marketing-last Kopie"

as well as the information you provided.

Subject matter of this evaluation is whether the sales system satisfies the requirements

mandated of a legal sales system. Section 16 subsection 2 UWG (the ban of progressive

customer acquisition) and No. 14 Annex to Section 3 subsection 3 UWG (the ban of pyramidal

marketing schemes) apply.

In the latest rulings (OLG Frankfurt/Main, ruling from 12 May 2011, case number 6 U 29/11

and ruling from 19 May 2011, case number 6 U 286/10) , the courts assume that the chain

element typical for multi-level marketing schemes is missing if the focus is on the product and

not on the recruitment of new consultants. It then lacks the gambling-like character (cp. LG

Offenburg, WRP, 1998, 85).FlexKom International Holding AG • CH-Switzerland • 8280 Kreuzlingen • Burgstrasse 8

E-Mail: zentrale@flexkom.com • Internet: FlexKom International Holding AG (http://www.flexkom.com) • Telephone: +41(0) 715 / 88 03 55

Managing Director: H. Guido Gmür • CH-440.3.027.259.0 ROC Kanton Thurgau

A significant characteristic for the system to be legitimate is first that the sales partner receives

a value in exchange for his or her initial investment. The FlexKom system provides the sales

partner a real value in form of personalized QR code apps. Each of these apps contains 2

FlexMoneys, which have a real value of € 2.00 and can be used for purchases at respective

stores and in addition, they can be used to make free phone calls.

If starting with the E-BIZ kit for €199.00, the sales partner receives 100 QR code apps worth €

200.00. If starting as Junior Team Member for € 399.00, the sales partner receives apps worth

€ 600.00 and as Business Team Member for € 799.00; the sales partner receives apps worth

€ 1,000.00. Finally, if the sales partner starts as Global Team Member and pays € 1,490.00,

he or she receives apps worth € 2,000.00.

Therefore, the sales partner receives real value in exchange for his or her initial investment.

At the start of the business, the FlexKom system is not designed to offer sales partners the

option to acquire a career level. There is no incentive to make an investment as great as

possible to receive any higher commission for recruiting new sales partners. Regardless what

starter set someone chooses, one starts always at the level of team member.

The fact that sales partners are only entitled as Global Team Member to acquire acceptance

points for the system is owed to the circumstance that more in-depth training is required for

this activity. The training sessions with external trainers can be attended at no cost at the

Flexkom Academy.

In addition, the position of the Global Team is limited in relation to the population and

therefore, the potential card owners.

In addition, the rulings (OLG Frankfurt/Main, loc.cit.) require that the sales partner have

financially attractive alternatives to acquiring new sales partner. However, this is the case with

the FlexKom system. Each level of the compensation plan can be achieved by recruitment of

new customers for apps or cards. In this context, it should be noted that the recruitment of

customers for apps or cards is overall not done by the sales partner but through the

appropriate acceptance points. Moreover, apps or cards are easily marketed because they do

not cost and the card owner receives a discount on his or her purchase at the issuing

acceptance point. However, the recruitment of apps or card customers is not only financially

attractive because of the upward career plan. In addition, sales partner receive a commission

on each use of apps or cards starting with phase 3. Experience from Turkey proves that the

sales partner receives a monthly commission of approx. € 3,000 on 10,000 card owners. A

total of 93% of the sales and commissions come from sales generated through the use of apps

and cars and only 7% of commissions are generated by the development of the distribution

system.

Therefore, the distribution system focuses clearly on marketing cards or apps and not on the

recruitment of new sales partners.FlexKom International Holding AG • CH-Switzerland • 8280 Kreuzlingen • Burgstrasse 8

E-Mail: zentrale@flexkom.com • Internet: FlexKom International Holding AG (http://www.flexkom.com) • Telephone: +41(0) 715 / 88 03 55

Managing Director: H. Guido Gmür • CH-440.3.027.259.0 ROC Kanton Thurgau

Moreover, sales partners are granted a right of cancellation and return by the FlexKom

system. It gives the sales partner the right to cancel his or her contract within 2 weeks, to

return the apps or cards and to receive his or her investment back. The OLG Frankfurt/Main

(loc. cit.) has the following opinion about this, it states that "such return options are typically

not granted in pyramidal sales schemes because these ask regularly for initial investments

and any return of it is excluded so that these investments can only be amortized by the

recruitment of new customers and the promise of respective benefits."

Therefore, granting the right to cancel and return is another important evidence for the

lawfulness of the FlexKom system (cp. Harte/Bavendamm, UWG, 2nd Edition, margin number

42 to Section16 UWG; Leible WRP, 1998, 18, 20).

Conclusion:

Therefore, the FlexKom marketing plan is not a multi-level marketing scheme but a legal sales

system under the illustrated requirements.

With kind regards,

Stephan R. Schulenberg LL.M. Eur

Attorney

justlogicnohate
09-23-2013, 12:06 AM
Then stop spouting it.
Diddo! "A little round man"!

littleroundman
09-23-2013, 12:27 AM
ladies and gentlemen:

We have evaluated the lawfulness of your marketing plan in accordance with the documents

Translation:
"we've covered our as**s by stipulating "your marketing plan". We have NOT evaluated the plan in action and we have NOT made comment on the way FlexKom is being presented in the marketplace and/or performing in the real world
Please refer to the recent closure of Zeek Rewards by SEC led action, despite the fact multiple industry attorneys had supposedly previously validated Zeek Rewards' "business plan"

FlexKom is being judged on what it DOES and on what it has DONE, young "justnonsensenologic", and not what it SAYS it is going to do.

justlogicnohate
09-23-2013, 12:49 AM
Translation:

FlexKom is being judged on what it DOES and on what it has DONE, young "justnonsensenologic", and not what it SAYS it is going to do.

Huh? What?

Wouter Hol
09-23-2013, 06:34 AM
A normal person would say you just ripped me off.

Wich is exactly what Flexkom is about to do.

Then you write a nice story about loyalty programs from a consumers point of view. What you did not understand is that I look at Flexkom from a shop owners point of view.

Grab your calculator. We're going to do some math.

Let's take a look at how the money flows within the Flexkom system:
http://www.realscam.com/f8/flexkom-legitimate-mlm-scam-1862/index7.html#post61019

As we know, the same amount as that a shop gives discount to the consumer, has to be paid to the Flexkom system.
So, for 2 dollars discount, this is how the two dollars for Flexkom flow:
0.80$ to Flexkom itself
1.20$ to the sales reps, shops, etc. These dollars get distributed this way:

0.24$ commission to the shop who issiued the card
0.24$ commission to the Global Team Member (also referred to as sales rep, licence holder, franchiser, pimp)
0.06$ commission to City Coordinator (bigger pimp)
0.048$ commission to the Team Coordinator (lesser bigger pimp)
0.36$ commission to Diff Pool. Diff is short for difficult. It is difficult to understand where this money ends up. Refer to pictures of the diffrent Ranks one pimp an achive, depending on how many people he/she signes up with Flexkom.
0.18$ commisson to Leaders Pool. These are de pimps among the pimps.
0.072$ commission to World Pool. The bosses of the pimps among the pimps.

I have highlighted one of these. Those are the sales reps being targeted by Flexkom at this moment. One has to pay 2200$ to get started at that position, right?

We can already confirm that the shops as a whole (all the shops/points of Flexkom acceptance) are losing money on this. Only 12% of the total amount paid to Flexkom, is going back to the shops. In other words, for every dollar received as commission by the shops, the shops have to pay 8.3333$

Now for some real math. There are several diffrent ways of calculating this, all of them shows that Flexkom is failing.

Method 1
Let's say that an average sales rep hooks up 5 shops. Each store has 1000 flexkom customers/month. An average discount given is 2 dollars. No strange figures here, right? These are for about the average numbers mentioned on a Flexkom meeting, I would say. Feel free to adjust these numbers at your own descretion.
With these numbers, this is how it's going to turn out.
Each shop has to pay 1000*2=2000$ to Flexkom. But, the shop receives a so called commission of 1000*0.24=240$. That's a loss of 2000-240=1760$ on the commission. And that is only if the shop serves its own customers. If he servers customers of other shops, then he'd be losing 2 grand a month. No surprise there, we'd already found out that shops would lose money on the commissions. Let's look a bit further.
The nett loss per shop per month is 1760$. Each sales rep signs up 5 shops. How much sales reps are there in each country? Lets say that there are 2000 sales reps. That gives us 2000*5*1760$=17600000$ of monthy costs! 17,6 million! Each month! And remind you, of these 17,6 million is 48% for the sales reps, pimps etc. So that means that at least 8.45 million is going to people who do literally nothing. This is the so-calles passive income. I have highlighed at least, because a fair amount of the 40% going to Flexkom, is spend on rental cars and such stuff.

Another method of calculating;
You start off with the projected monthly passive income you'd like to receive. I think that 2 grand each month is a nice start. One can make a living with 2 grand, right?
So, in order to recieve 2 grand each month, the shopowners have to pay Flexkom 2000/0.12=16666.66$. So your income is costing the shops 16.6 grand.

Again, feel free to adjust the numbers to your own descretion.

Now, lets say that Flexkom is this genius concept they pretent it to be. That would mean that any competitor of Flexkom as already an advantage of at least 8.45 million each month according to method 1, if it simply skips all of the passive income bullshit. Remind you; The shops nor Flexkom itself get anything back for all the dollars they give away to the people who expect to make a passive income. They simply pay and get nothing. Or, in your words, they get ripped off.
You can say what you want, but one can purchase quite some nice things for 17,6 million dollars. For instance, an office filled with quality personnel. Personnel with the ability to cope with critisism on the internet, personnel with the ability to give advice to shops, personnel to sell the Flexkom.. whatever it is that Flexkom sells. Flexkom choses to do not, but instead, promises lifetime passive income to people who sign up a shop. So should the technology of Flexkom work out (at this time, there is no prove whatsoever of a working Flexkom system) than a competitor can easily start up a Flexkom like venture and have a tremendous headstart.

I figure you will tell me about certain patents (Flexkom doesn't have any patents, all patents are listed in the public directories of espacenet) or other arguments why there will not be any competitors of Flexkom. Should you be thinking that, then you'd be wrong. If an idea works out, it gets copied. One way or another. Don't worry about that. First thing for you to worry about, is all the technology Flexkom pretents to have but is unable to show. The app, for instance, is hilarious. It took months afther the initial release for it to even get properly installed and working. And what functions does it carry? VOIP? A Google map with some dots on it? The ability to generate a QR code? And the POS is simply a cheap tablet. No special techonoly whatsoever.

Anyways, more important than that, Flexkom thinks that all the shop owners are willing to pay millions and millions of dollars each month for their system. Nuts.



FlexKom brings [...] the commissions [...]

Well, as you've just witnessed, the shops bring in the commisions. Flexkom is not.

freighttrain
09-23-2013, 06:52 AM
So, mister logicnohate, you say that you come here to discuss Flexkom and tell us that we are all wrong. But in stead of bringing logic to us, you seem to bring only hate. Lets sum up your contributions for a bit:

I think the issue with this is people are generally not that intelligent so they don't understand how FlexKom works. So in other words dumb people wont get it.

Does this blogger "ribhsaw" have any idea of how the FlexKom system works?

Here is another blogger "freighttrain". What a piece or work we have here. (...) So the bottom line here is "freighttrain" simply doesn't get it, this blogger knows very little about the subject he tries to advice you on. (...) Bla bla bla again a clear sign of this blogger "freighttrain" not making any sense.


So this blogger still doesn't understand how it works,



This shows you how little "Niksam" ACTUALLY know about effective marketing.

FlexKom is clear that they are only looking for strong business to business sales people. I doubt you are that.

WOW!! Ok so here is a great example of someone who is just completely illogical "Niksam" calls the entire industry of mlm a scam.

"Niksam is confused as to the challenges in business period. Maybe because he has never succeeded in business or maybe because he did succeed he has a skewed idea of how easy or simple it is in general.
Etcetera, etcetera, ..,

Well now, mister justlogicnohate, what do you think of your work so far? You think that people who read here really think that you are the one who is bringing in the logic here, in stead of the hate?

What you are trying to do maybe works at a Flexkom meeting. In a room filled with mostly people who believe in Flexkom or at least pretent they do. You can put pressure on the ones in the room that don't think Flexkom is a good idea by telling them they're dumbasses and everyone else in the room is intelligent enough to see the benefits of Flexkom. But out here and in the real world, those psychological games don't work. In here, you have to bring in logical arguments, prove and mathematics that work out. You have brought none of these, so far.

Looking forward to your newsletter showing your prospects your work on this forum!

Wouter Hol
09-23-2013, 07:14 AM
The FlexKom system provides the sales

partner a real value in form of personalized QR code apps. Each of these apps contains 2

FlexMoneys, which have a real value of € 2.00 and can be used for purchases at respective

stores and in addition, they can be used to make free phone calls.

If starting with the E-BIZ kit for €199.00, the sales partner receives 100 QR code apps worth €

200.00. If starting as Junior Team Member for € 399.00, the sales partner receives apps worth

€ 600.00 and as Business Team Member for € 799.00; the sales partner receives apps worth

€ 1,000.00. Finally, if the sales partner starts as Global Team Member and pays € 1,490.00,

he or she receives apps worth € 2,000.00.

Therefore, the sales partner receives real value in exchange for his or her initial investment.


Look at your contract. I couldn't find the English one, but I'm sure it's out there. Here are the German and Dutch versions:
GERMAN
http://www.flexkom.com/tf/public/agb/de/agb.pdf
DUTCH
http://www.flexkom.com/tf/public/agb/nl/agb.pdf

Look at the Dutch version, wich has a little more context than the German version. Look at paragraph 2, point 2. Citation: "De opgeladen 2 FlexMoney Bonus wordt bij de klant gecrediteerd na het bereiken van cumulatief 200
FlexMoney's." Translation: The charged 2 Flexmoney will be credited on the customers account after he collects 200 FlexMoneys". So these 2 FlexMoneys only get activated when the consumer has saved up a total of 200 FlexMoneys. Therefore, there is no real value in the packages because you will have to collect 200 dollars first to get 1% (2 FlexMoneys) extra. But even if the 2 Flexmoneys would be activated right away; there is no way you can convert these Flexmoneys back to euro's. So in reality, they shill wouldn't have real value.

As stated before, this attorny looked at what Flexkom pretents to be going to do somewhere in the future and missed some key elements with that evaluation. Right now, the one and only goal of Flexkom is signing up as many as possible sales reps. One even gets paid if he signs up someone else. On top of that, you get bonusses like a Porsche or 50k cash if you sign up enough people. A piramid scheme in it's purest form.

ribshaw
09-23-2013, 07:52 AM
FlexKom brings technology, the service, the commissions and the customers It's perfection

The only thing Flexkom has brought at this point is a recruiting scheme and promises of rainbows for the masses.

While I am sure everyone here is impressed and appreciative with your Marketing 101 lesson, not one single poster questioned the "discount model" for retailers. What I see everyone questioning is the "MODEL" Flexkom is using for its so far lackluster roll out. You have been asked plenty of questions about Flexkom and the people behind it, almost all of which you have chosen to ignore. How about answer the tough stuff, and stop with the Strawman Diatribes.

Here are a few more. flexkomfraud - IAN DR0SCOLL (http://flexkomfraud.tr.gg/IAN-DR%26%23304%3BSCOLL.htm) (Ian Driscoll, remember when Banners Broker was going to cause Google to tap out.)

Here are a few more faves.. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Flexkom-Scams/553709781338460

5995
5996

And this, Flexkom faalt in Turkije – Wouter Hol (http://wouterhol.nl/flexkom-faalt-in-turkije/)

Of course I think this was some big conspiracy theory:

5997

This is promising, when 1000 distributors have a complaint, FIGHT THEM IN COURT. Thats how quality companies do business.

5998

ribshaw
09-23-2013, 08:39 AM
On Attorney Rubberstamp.

When you search for MLM attorneys. look who pops up!!! :shocked: Shock of all shockers he signed off on a PROPOSED business plan. The ONLY way this is meaningful is if you can provide us a list of companies he DID NOT rubber stamp. Other than that, lets see this for what it is.

5999

And here is my favorite, look who is on the legal team for a weight loss patch. Must be some kind of jack of all trades, from medicine to marketing no client check goes uncashed.

6000

freighttrain
09-23-2013, 08:41 AM
"freighttrain" again just bathroom wall stuff. Call them and ask them if they are fake Organisation-Strategy - EBCON - Economy Banking Consulting - European Business Club (http://en.ebcon-club.eu/Content/Organisation-Strategy/1/)


Other site, still Stefan Kletsch:
Organisation-President - EBCON - Economy Banking Consulting - European Business Club (http://en.ebcon-club.eu/Content/Organisation-President/1/)

You must understand that Stefan Kletsch is just a buddy of Cenghiz Ehliz. Stefan gets paid to put on a little show. You and I can also pay him a little money to put on a show. Maybe have him say that RealScam is a very good forum with lots of good looking gents and ladies? As long as you pay him, he'll say whatever you like.

But, in fact, there has been communication with mister Kletsch. This is what he says:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dr. Kletsch <office@ebcon-club.eu>
Date: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:29 AM
Subject: AW: Flexkom
To:


Dear (name removed),,

thank you for your eMail.

You can be sure, that FlexKom is a serious company and a good opportunity

Best regards

Dr. Stefan Kletsch
Präsident
So not only is Stefan stating that it's a good company, but also, he is stating that it's a serious opportunity. Not really words of an independent person. Would he really be independent, then he'd have said something like: we have tested Flexkom according to our standards. He'd not mention his (personal) opinion on the subject. But, as stated before, Stefan is not independent. He's backing who ever is paying him.

Also, bona fide organisations like the EEC are warning for this Stefan Kletsch:
WARNING (http://www.baku-eeig.az/?lang=en&id=107)

So, now you know that EBCON is fake.

justlogicnohate
09-23-2013, 01:27 PM
Wich is exactly what Flexkom is about to do.

Then you write a nice story about loyalty programs from a consumers point of view. What you did not understand is that I look at Flexkom from a shop owners point of view.

Grab your calculator. We're going to do some math.

Let's take a look at how the money flows within the Flexkom system:
http://www.realscam.com/f8/flexkom-legitimate-mlm-scam-1862/index7.html#post61019

As we know, the same amount as that a shop gives discount to the consumer, has to be paid to the Flexkom system.
So, for 2 dollars discount, this is how the two dollars for Flexkom flow:
0.80$ to Flexkom itself
1.20$ to the sales reps, shops, etc. These dollars get distributed this way:

0.24$ commission to the shop who issiued the card
0.24$ commission to the Global Team Member (also referred to as sales rep, licence holder, franchiser, pimp)
0.06$ commission to City Coordinator (bigger pimp)
0.048$ commission to the Team Coordinator (lesser bigger pimp)
0.36$ commission to Diff Pool. Diff is short for difficult. It is difficult to understand where this money ends up. Refer to pictures of the diffrent Ranks one pimp an achive, depending on how many people he/she signes up with Flexkom.
0.18$ commisson to Leaders Pool. These are de pimps among the pimps.
0.072$ commission to World Pool. The bosses of the pimps among the pimps.

I have highlighted one of these. Those are the sales reps being targeted by Flexkom at this moment. One has to pay 2200$ to get started at that position, right?

We can already confirm that the shops as a whole (all the shops/points of Flexkom acceptance) are losing money on this. Only 12% of the total amount paid to Flexkom, is going back to the shops. In other words, for every dollar received as commission by the shops, the shops have to pay 8.3333$

Now for some real math. There are several diffrent ways of calculating this, all of them shows that Flexkom is failing.

Method 1
Let's say that an average sales rep hooks up 5 shops. Each store has 1000 flexkom customers/month. An average discount given is 2 dollars. No strange figures here, right? These are for about the average numbers mentioned on a Flexkom meeting, I would say. Feel free to adjust these numbers at your own descretion.
With these numbers, this is how it's going to turn out.
Each shop has to pay 1000*2=2000$ to Flexkom. But, the shop receives a so called commission of 1000*0.24=240$. That's a loss of 2000-240=1760$ on the commission. And that is only if the shop serves its own customers. If he servers customers of other shops, then he'd be losing 2 grand a month. No surprise there, we'd already found out that shops would lose money on the commissions. Let's look a bit further.
The nett loss per shop per month is 1760$. Each sales rep signs up 5 shops. How much sales reps are there in each country? Lets say that there are 2000 sales reps. That gives us 2000*5*1760$=17600000$ of monthy costs! 17,6 million! Each month! And remind you, of these 17,6 million is 48% for the sales reps, pimps etc. So that means that at least 8.45 million is going to people who do literally nothing. This is the so-calles passive income. I have highlighed at least, because a fair amount of the 40% going to Flexkom, is spend on rental cars and such stuff.

Another method of calculating;
You start off with the projected monthly passive income you'd like to receive. I think that 2 grand each month is a nice start. One can make a living with 2 grand, right?
So, in order to recieve 2 grand each month, the shopowners have to pay Flexkom 2000/0.12=16666.66$. So your income is costing the shops 16.6 grand.

Again, feel free to adjust the numbers to your own descretion.

Now, lets say that Flexkom is this genius concept they pretent it to be. That would mean that any competitor of Flexkom as already an advantage of at least 8.45 million each month according to method 1, if it simply skips all of the passive income bullshit. Remind you; The shops nor Flexkom itself get anything back for all the dollars they give away to the people who expect to make a passive income. They simply pay and get nothing. Or, in your words, they get ripped off.
You can say what you want, but one can purchase quite some nice things for 17,6 million dollars. For instance, an office filled with quality personnel. Personnel with the ability to cope with critisism on the internet, personnel with the ability to give advice to shops, personnel to sell the Flexkom.. whatever it is that Flexkom sells. Flexkom choses to do not, but instead, promises lifetime passive income to people who sign up a shop. So should the technology of Flexkom work out (at this time, there is no prove whatsoever of a working Flexkom system) than a competitor can easily start up a Flexkom like venture and have a tremendous headstart.

I figure you will tell me about certain patents (Flexkom doesn't have any patents, all patents are listed in the public directories of espacenet) or other arguments why there will not be any competitors of Flexkom. Should you be thinking that, then you'd be wrong. If an idea works out, it gets copied. One way or another. Don't worry about that. First thing for you to worry about, is all the technology Flexkom pretents to have but is unable to show. The app, for instance, is hilarious. It took months afther the initial release for it to even get properly installed and working. And what functions does it carry? VOIP? A Google map with some dots on it? The ability to generate a QR code? And the POS is simply a cheap tablet. No special techonoly whatsoever.

Anyways, more important than that, Flexkom thinks that all the shop owners are willing to pay millions and millions of dollars each month for their system. Nuts.


Well, as you've just witnessed, the shops bring in the commisions. Flexkom is not.

Please reader this is math on a bunch of BS. First of all the math is not considering that the shop owner is already spending on marketing. And it is saying that they shouldn't have a marketing expense. It is also saying that there is no increase in revenue for the shop owner. If FlexKom didn't increase the revenue for the shop owner our system would be value less. And it would then mean the shop owner wouldn't use it. I keep trying to help these bloggers understand how we operate but they don't understand it anyway. The shop owner decides when and how much he gives. It can be $.20 if he choses. On one item if he choses. He can lure the customer with a cash back on one item and then get sales on other items at full price.

The shop owner gives away apps. Lets say he has 25 customers an hour. He offers the customer the loyalty app and an initial cash back for signing up. at 25 customers a day he has 7500 a month. The first month he has 25% join and next month the same. The total customers for a total 3575 customers. He has a standard cash back of say 2% on all items his choice but lets say all FlexKom members (customers) get that. He scraps his old clip card loyalty system where if you buy 6 you get 7th free which was equal to the 2% cash back (which in reality is 4%) Keep in mind that on the back end he is also earning income from the 3575 customers he has signed up when they are shopping in other stores. We have shops in Turkey that are earning more than $1000 a month (the income will depend on how much the cards are used and how many customers the shop owner signs up. and Turkey has an average income of $300 per person. And spend on average $87 a month on their credit card in USA that average is $3500 average income and we spend an Average of $467 on our Visa cards. So here in USA we are expecting higher averages for the shop owners. The shop owner has paid $500 for the terminal. He now has a direct relationship with those customers. These are customers that could chose a competitor at any point. Lets say it's a Sushi place. Monday Tuesday Wednesday his restaurant runs 50% full it's down 35% from the rest of the week. So during those days he runs at break even capacity. These are walk ins and regulars. They could go to any sushi place. Monday Wed Tues are his days where he tries to get more business going. Maybe he will have entertainment Monday night to try to bring a crowd. He pays the band $200 and hopes it will pay for itself but most times it doesn't so he has to eat the loss.

So our FlexKom total customer count has increase through our shops and is now at 500,000 strong locally (this is just an example). We have only been able to get 4 Sushi places to participate out 25. But Monday day our Restaurant owner is at the Fish market and there is amazing Sea Bass there our Restaurant owner takes his Phone and records a Video with a message to his customers Today I am Making a special with this amazing SEA bass IF you come in today He shows what special looks like he can even film while he makes the item. "I will give you 3 flexmoney if you order this special and come in today. Right away 3575 people will get his message on their phone and only if they are in town this is the only store that can reach them that way all other stores on our system can only reach them if they are requesting it. How much did it cost him to reach that many people with the message? Nothing. How much will he spend on this promotion? it depends on how many show up. How much would a flyer place charge to send out 3575 flyers? Each flyer cost maybe $1 to print and you would have less people who read it compared to a video text message.

What about google? How much does it cost a business to reach a customer on google? If you are familiar of Pay Per Click you would know that it's almost like an auction for views. It could cost $10 per click or more just to get one view of your website. So the big post above with all the fancy math is not even dealing with how much a store would spend to reach customers in other ways.

Moving on....In addition to reaching the 3575 as a text message he personally signed up he is also reaching the people in the 500,000 group who wanted to find out about food specials that day. So for example he now has his walk ins and what not who would be there anyway. He also gets the people who come in for the deal. They buy the special and get their Flexmoney and they may bring a friend who wants something else on the menu. They have some Sake and Beer. The bill comes out to $50 and the restaurant owner pays out $6 so the take is $46 He has increased the customer count by 20%. At the end of the night he looks to see how much did it cost him to run the promotion. He can track each sale and how much they spent he knows his alcohol and food cost. He checks his back office to see how many of his customers where paid by other stores and how much money he made in commission outside the store. He checks how much more revenue he had in his store. Cost versus sales. What his Monday looked like before the promotion. He then determines if the promotion was successful or if he needs to adjust for next Monday.

The customer decision could be something like "honey where did we want to take mom for dinner tonight? Not sure but Sushi mon has a cool sea bass special on FlexKOm looks good do you want sushi tonight? Yeah that could work?

The store is not forced to give any deals at all they will manage the system they way they see fit. The amount he offers is up to them we charge matching of what they give back. Part of that goes to the rewards we pay for and send to the customer. These are really attractive prizes Flat screen TV at 1000 points. Vacation at 5000 points Louis Vitton Luggage etc. and much more. Of course it takes time to earn those rewards but people will over time earn them. When those gifts are sent to the customer they are sent on behalf of the store that signed them up. So instead of a free meal or coffee they are giving TV's and vacations. This will make that store a hero to that customer.

As our network expands our customers will have more opportunities to use their cards/apps and the average cash back paid will increase per card, so our shop owner who have out 3575 cards if the average cash back reaches 10 Flexmoney a month it would generate over $4,000 a month to that store. This is unrelated to how much discount the store gives when it runs their promotions.

These bloggers keep saying the money will come from the stores and we keep saying the money comes from an increase in volume as our stores our network will thrive from our system. The stores that do not have the system in place will lose customers to the stores that have our system. a lot of those stores will be the national chains who before had the advantage of being bigger. They could run TV ads and other ads. spending millions in advertisement increasing their reach keeping themselves in the customers mind all the time. With FlexKom the smaller retailer can use the power of the network of small businesses to get that same leverage. Of course there is a cost to do that but not more than other methods they could use that really doesn't work that well. If the small business community doesn't find away to use m-commerce technology many of them will be long gone as we can currently see. We are losing our small shops to e-commrce and bigger chains.

Our access points will be recruiting proactively to the FlexKom system and we will have all the customers on FlexKOm since having an app on a phone is very easy for the customer to do. Getting marketing from one store is no big deal and then allowing marketing from the stores the customer is interested in is just good service. FlexKom knows it's customers so a Male will never get marketing for a female. We are giving the customer what the customer wants so they will favor the participating stores. So in turn our stores will do better. If you can get cash back and you can earn rewards wouldn't you chose the place that is giving it instead of the place that is not? Air line miles. Once one Airline started it all the others had to follow suit or they would have been out of business by now. It is called loyalty. I always try to fly american Airlines because I have the most points on that Airline. Same here but we have no competition. We are a blue Ocean business. "I will try to shop on FlexKom because I am working on getting the vacation for next year." Is your store going to give me a vacation? No? ok I will go across the street then.

So all that nonsense up above comes from a person who is ignorant to what we do. He has no clue how the real world FlexKom operates and yes I say real world. We are currently operating in Turkey and yes it has not been without problems. BUt those are problems that can happen to any start up. Business is about problem solving. Every rep that signed up in Turkey owns a FlexKom Franchise and is allowed to sell our system to any shop they chose. If they are inactive it is their decision not ours.

If they lack sales skills they shouldn't have signed up. It is obvious FlexKom is a service that businesses will buy or we would not have the network of businesses we already have in Turkey and they wouldn't be giving discounts unless they saw that it worked for them. The terminal would be unused. But people keep walking in with cards and asking if they can use it.

What is really backwards with the above post is how much effort the blogger has put trying to convince you that the FlexKom system will hurt the business not that the technology isn't there. Not that we are just lying about having the system. The blogger is contesting wether the technology will benefit the business. And doing a poor job at that sincethe blogger doesn't yet understand how we operate. At first when I got on this board it was all about that FlexKom was a big lie and big scam. Now I am responding to the actual value of the system. So we are drifting towards an new objection and that seems to be how the business owner is going to lose money working with us. And now I have responded to that argument showing you the reader that the business sets it's own parameters on how much they offer back. It is entirely up to them so if they know their numbers wouldn't it be apparent that they can manage their own campaign and would see right away how it works.

The big questions is: Where is the money coming from? Where the money should come from. It comes from the customers spending with them instead of the competitors.

justlogicnohate
09-23-2013, 01:44 PM
The only thing Flexkom has brought at this point is a recruiting scheme and promises of rainbows for the masses.

While I am sure everyone here is impressed and appreciative with your Marketing 101 lesson, not one single poster questioned the "discount model" for retailers. What I see everyone questioning is the "MODEL" Flexkom is using for its so far lackluster roll out. You have been asked plenty of questions about Flexkom and the people behind it, almost all of which you have chosen to ignore. How about answer the tough stuff, and stop with the Strawman Diatribes.

Here are a few more. flexkomfraud - IAN DR0SCOLL (http://flexkomfraud.tr.gg/IAN-DR%26%23304%3BSCOLL.htm) (Ian Driscoll, remember when Banners Broker was going to cause Google to tap out.)

Here are a few more faves.. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Flexkom-Scams/553709781338460

5995
5996

And this, Flexkom faalt in Turkije – Wouter Hol (http://wouterhol.nl/flexkom-faalt-in-turkije/)

Of course I think this was some big conspiracy theory:

5997

This is promising, when 1000 distributors have a complaint, FIGHT THEM IN COURT. Thats how quality companies do business.

5998

This Blogger is posting a Turkish Lawsuit he can't read and hasn't attempted to translate. He is also posting a excerpt from a Facebook page he hasn't verified. As I have stated before we have had troubles in Turkey and we did have a faulty terminal. Most of this is from the terminal being faulty and from a well organized plan to stop FlexKom as an extortion move. So the lawsuits are all from these situations and will be handled in court.

The News paper Zaman Daily is connected to the Fettulah movement and is behind the lawsuits. We will be defending our company against those people to the end.

Seems like Ian Driscoll was involved with Banners Brokers as a rep. I don't think he has been sued for that.

justlogicnohate
09-23-2013, 01:48 PM
On Attorney Rubberstamp.

When you search for MLM attorneys. look who pops up!!! :shocked: Shock of all shockers he signed off on a PROPOSED business plan. The ONLY way this is meaningful is if you can provide us a list of companies he DID NOT rubber stamp. Other than that, lets see this for what it is.

5999

And here is my favorite, look who is on the legal team for a weight loss patch. Must be some kind of jack of all trades, from medicine to marketing no client check goes uncashed.

6000

So the attorney has a understanding of network marketing. Maybe that would be a good to use attorney when analyzing the compensation plan?

But These bloggers of course know better.

ribshaw
09-23-2013, 02:10 PM
This Blogger is posting a Turkish Lawsuit he can't read and hasn't attempted to translate.

You know this how??????



He is also posting a excerpt from a Facebook page he hasn't verified.

You have been given AMPLE opportunity to straighten all of us dumb bloggers out. But this is we get...



As I have stated before we have had troubles in Turkey and we did have a faulty terminal. Most of this is from the terminal being faulty and from a well organized plan to stop FlexKom as an extortion move. So the lawsuits are all from these situations and will be handled in court.

The News paper Zaman Daily is connected to the Fettulah movement and is behind the lawsuits. We will be defending our company against those people to the end.

So its YOUR COMPANY??? Freudian slip perhaps????

So let me get this straight, FLEXKOM put out a FAULTY TERMINAL and 1000 Representatives had to take Flexkom to court? That is what you are going with? LOL


Seems like Ian Driscoll was involved with Banners Brokers as a rep. I don't think he has been sued for that.

Ian Driscoll does one thing RECRUIT people into questionable programs. I asked you about him earlier when you showed up to defend Flexkon and as they say crickets. I see you are doing it once again. There is a great thread here on Banners Broker for those who do not know the type of people who get involved in these "opportunities".
http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/ This was started 10/21/2011 by SoapBoxMom if anyone wants to see how far ahead the curve some of the "bloggers" at Realscam.com are. You can fast forward to today where no one has been paid in 9 months, millions of dollars GONE, and people like Ian Driscoll saying "yeah, but there is a peach of a deal over here".


So the attorney has a understanding of network marketing. Maybe that would be a good to use attorney when analyzing the compensation plan?

But These bloggers of course know better.

Know better than the bullshit you keep putting forth has validation of your recruiting scheme. Yes, Yes we do. All you have done is showed up and given us a few hypothetical situations, an unfounded conspiracy theory and some meaningless social proof. And every time you get caught, its bash the blogger. Sorry we don't shake our heads up and down like all the folks at the Ramada Inn looking to strike it rich.

Integro
09-23-2013, 02:12 PM
This Blogger is posting a Turkish Lawsuit he can't read and hasn't attempted to translate. He is also posting a excerpt from a Facebook page he hasn't verified. As I have stated before we have had troubles in Turkey and we did have a faulty terminal. Most of this is from the terminal being faulty and from a well organized plan to stop FlexKom as an extortion move. So the lawsuits are all from these situations and will be handled in court.

The News paper Zaman Daily is connected to the Fettulah movement and is behind the lawsuits. We will be defending our company against those people to the end.

Seems like Ian Driscoll was involved with Banners Brokers as a rep. I don't think he has been sued for that.


HA HA, I think you are a mentally a little bit unbalanced? Can you really only write complete nonsense?

Remember all FAKE awards and 'post stamps': 1) "Most innovative... by Ehliz friend Berns Seitz (!!!), 2) The Ebcon stamp, 3) The BDS Stamp and 4) even an 'Award of Excellence; given by an own Flexkom licenceholder of Trinidad & Tobacco -> see the FB page of FK International;)

It is hilarious! You are not serious. Where are you living; somewhere in a fata morgana?

Remember how all fairy tales are ending........
AND THEN COMES AN ELEPHANT WITH A LONG SNOUT AND BLEW THE STORY OUT!

NikSam
09-23-2013, 02:36 PM
I am bit confused when justlogicnohate calls here everyone "blogger xxxx",
I, as most people here, do not have a blog to be called a blogger and in general do not understand the purpose of its use by you,

Should we also refer to you as "MLM-Pimp justlogicnohate" all the time ?
is it like using "Dr." for acknowledgment ?

freighttrain
09-23-2013, 02:48 PM
I am bit confused when justlogicnohate calls here everyone "blogger xxxx",
I, as most people here, do not have a blog to be called a blogger and in general do not understand the purpose of its use by you,

I guess it was something like this;

MR. justlogicnohate hosts some meetings for Flexkom. Normally he'd had no problem signing up new people to become what he calls sales reps for Flexkom. But over time, more and more people were complaining about what they'd read on what they called Internet. They told poor old justlogicnohate that they'd read these blogs full of facts about Flexkom. These bloggers supplied them with facts wich learned them that Flexkom was nothing but a piramid scheme. The people wanted their money back and new people were unwilling to sign up with Flexkom.

So, mr. justlogicnohate decided to make a stand. He purchased a computer of his own so that he could explore this thing called the internet to tell all those bloggers out there how things really are!!

And now we are here. Mr. justlogicnohate thinks that he is dealing with these bloggers right here and thus he calls every member a blogger. Makes you wonder how much knowledge this guy really has when it comes to m-commerce or maybe even business in general. I believe to have read that he has burned his hands before on another MLM scheme, so I doubt we have to deal with someone who actually has some knowledge about anything. MLM people generally don't have really much knowledge of business. They're mostly personae non gratae at serious business meetings.

justlogicnohate
09-23-2013, 03:53 PM
I guess it was something like this;

MR. justlogicnohate hosts some meetings for Flexkom. Normally he'd had no problem signing up new people to become what he calls sales reps for Flexkom. But over time, more and more people were complaining about what they'd read on what they called Internet. They told poor old justlogicnohate that they'd read these blogs full of facts about Flexkom. These bloggers supplied them with facts wich learned them that Flexkom was nothing but a piramid scheme. The people wanted their money back and new people were unwilling to sign up with Flexkom.

So, mr. justlogicnohate decided to make a stand. He purchased a computer of his own so that he could explore this thing called the internet to tell all those bloggers out there how things really are!!

And now we are here. Mr. justlogicnohate thinks that he is dealing with these bloggers right here and thus he calls every member a blogger. Makes you wonder how much knowledge this guy really has when it comes to m-commerce or maybe even business in general. I believe to have read that he has burned his hands before on another MLM scheme, so I doubt we have to deal with someone who actually has some knowledge about anything. MLM people generally don't have really much knowledge of business. They're mostly personae non gratae at serious business meetings.

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justlogicnohate
09-23-2013, 03:54 PM
HA HA, I think you are a mentally a little bit unbalanced? Can you really only write complete nonsense?

Remember all FAKE awards and 'post stamps': 1) "Most innovative... by Ehliz friend Berns Seitz (!!!), 2) The Ebcon stamp, 3) The BDS Stamp and 4) even an 'Award of Excellence; given by an own Flexkom licenceholder of Trinidad & Tobacco -> see the FB page of FK International;)

It is hilarious! You are not serious. Where are you living; somewhere in a fata morgana?

Remember how all fairy tales are ending........
AND THEN COMES AN ELEPHANT WITH A LONG SNOUT AND BLEW THE STORY OUT!


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