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klagoosh
12-01-2012, 10:51 PM
Has anyone here done any research on something called Profitable Sunrise?

I have already warned a good friend away from it after going inside for a look. Like most of these things, it lays out a way for them to earn their incredibly high yields that is meant to sound possible.

Sadly, the people behind this claim to be Christians, and like to throw in a Bible verse here and there to make it look nice (if you can possibly say there is ANYTHING nice looking about the horribly amateurish site.)

If these people were making the money they are claiming to make with their "bridge loans," it would be usury of the loan shark kind....
The "parent" company is Inter Reef LTD [GB].

Here is how they are described by a member or customer, which is exactly what they claim in their private broadcasts (I listened to one) and any written material:

"Their website is: Welcome to Profitable Sunrise! (http://www.profitablesunrise.com) They are hard money lenders. Have been in business 8 years. They make loans from 5-20 days and 2-6 months. They charge 2.6%-3.0% daily, 5 days per week. Loans are usually secured. They take in "investor" money and pay a return of 1.6%-2.1% per day, compounding, 5 days per week. The earned interest can be taken out anytime, everyday. The principal has to remain in their fund for 170 to 180 days before being withdrawn and reinvested (if you choose to). Their security on the loan and investor money is insured in case of default. Their main bank is Baltikums Bank AS in Nicosia, Cyprus. Their Founder/CEO is Roman Novak; his brother Radislov Novak is the company attorney; their accountant is Ms. Ruth Ellington; their techhie is Nosuke Koyama. They put on a very "religious front" (which is always a red flag). I have several friends who have invested with them and they have been credited with interest payments daily. Thank You

Read more: What is the street address and phone number for "Profitable - JustAnswer http://www.justanswer.com/fraud-examiner/72i86-street-address-phone-number-profitable.html#ixzz2DrTUqMS3"

A member name that appears to be closely connected to the owners is Dr. Goddie Ude (http:// drgoddie .com/profitable-sunrise/ ).

2% to 3% per day IS usury (and I thought my credit card companies were crooks!!) They are using STP, bank wire transfers (of course!!), EGO Pay, Liberty Reserve and Perfect Money for transactions.

If you do a Google street level look at their "office," there's not much to see for a multi-million dollar enterprise.

The website, profitable sunrise .com, is about as unprofessional as I've ever seen. Other sites owned by Roman Novak: Ice-dollar .com, Money Gator.net

Anybody know if this is being investigated by law enforcement, yet?

Nancetta
12-01-2012, 11:33 PM
Has anyone here done any research on something called Profitable Sunrise?

I have already warned a good friend away from it after going inside for a look.

klagoosh,

When any program/hyip is 'reviewed' (and I use that term loosely) HERE (http://moneyinsidernews.cashfindforum.com/2012/06/11/profitable-sunrise-hyip-review/#comment-4829) you can be sure it is a SCAM. Amanda & KB are well-known PIMPS in the hyip/scam industry...they will pimp anything that comes down the pike. You can tell your friends that the beginning of the end is coming for Profitable Sunrise.


Sadly, the people behind this claim to be Christians, and like to throw in a Bible verse here and there to make it look nice (if you can possibly say there is ANYTHING nice looking about the horribly amateurish site.)
Amanda & company could care less. Whatever it takes to suck people into 'joining' using their 'ref links'...


Anybody know if this is being investigated by law enforcement, yet?

No, but if anyone decides to go forward with this...please, please 'refer' them to 'Amanda's' site: HERE (http://moneyinsidernews.cashfindforum.com/2012/06/11/profitable-sunrise-hyip-review/#comment-4829)

klagoosh
12-01-2012, 11:52 PM
klagoosh,

When any program/hyip is 'reviewed' (and I use that term loosely) HERE (http://moneyinsidernews.cashfindforum.com/2012/06/11/profitable-sunrise-hyip-review/#comment-4829) you can be sure it is a SCAM. Amanda & KB are well-known PIMPS in the hyip/scam industry...they will pimp anything that comes down the pike. You can tell your friends that the beginning of the end is coming for Profitable Sunrise.


Amanda & company could care less. Whatever it takes to suck people into 'joining' using their 'ref links'...



No, but if anyone decides to go forward with this...please, please 'refer' them to 'Amanda's' site: HERE (http://moneyinsidernews.cashfindforum.com/2012/06/11/profitable-sunrise-hyip-review/#comment-4829)

Thank you for the information, Nancetta, and for that link, which I will add to the file.

Myriad Force
12-22-2012, 06:35 AM
Profitable Sunrise appears to be growing. I am paid daily on time. Made my first withdrawal, paid in under 10 minutes to STP. At this juncture, there is no empirical evidence for cynacism. The question is, does Roman Novak really do bridge loans? Like any lender, he will not breach the confidentiality of his clients, by revealing their names. I will put myself on a limb, and say - In 2013, Profitable Sunrise will dominate the HYIP world.

littleroundman
12-22-2012, 06:57 AM
Profitable Sunrise appears to be growing. I am paid daily on time. Made my first withdrawal, paid in under 10 minutes to STP.

Welcome to REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) Myriad Force,

With the greatest respect, Myriad Force, but if the main criteria you use in deciding whether or not an online "opportunity" is a fraud are "I got paid" "I got paid on time" and "there is no empirical evidence" then I can confidently predict a very short, costly and painful investment career ahead of you in 2013.

I really don't know how you think "fraud" works, particularly 'net based HYIP ponzi fraud, BUT, it would be a pretty poorly run fraud, indeed, if the victims DIDN'T get paid on time and there WAS easily found "empirical evidence"


Unfortunately, your criteria for determining the status of a HYIP ponzi "opportunity" are guaranteed to part you from your money in double quick time.

Myriad Force
12-23-2012, 02:18 PM
Hence, one of us could be considered a False Prophet.

To be continued..

Whip
12-23-2012, 05:09 PM
You spelled 'profit' wrong. Not surprising.

Myriad Force
12-24-2012, 10:19 AM
Daily interest payment usually comes in between 9:06amCST and 9:18amCST, today it was 9:14amCST. No matter how Whip wants to spell Prophet or Profit, the underlying theme is that growing number in my bank account. The proof is in the pudding, honey:


Good Day,

We are happy to inform you that a new daily interest payment has been made.

Total interest amount - USD56.78

Interest amount under Private Plan - USD0.17

The above amount has been added to the principal amount.

Interest amount under Long Haul Plan - USD56.61

The above amount has been added to the principal amount.

We are doing our best to safely increase your savings and make you a happier person.

We are here to help you with anything and provide answers to all of the questions you may have.

Have a Blessed Day,

Roman Novak,
Founder
Profitable Sunrise

littleroundman
12-24-2012, 10:34 AM
Interest amount under Long Haul Plan - USD56.61

Which you can't access for 240 days.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-24-2012, 10:36 AM
No matter how Whip wants to spell Prophet or Profit, the underlying theme is that growing number in my bank account. The proof is in the pudding, honey:

Can you say "gains from an illegal enterprise"? (honey)

Whip
12-24-2012, 10:44 AM
Daily interest payment usually comes in between 9:06amCST and 9:18amCST, today it was 9:14amCST. No matter how Whip wants to spell Prophet or Profit, the underlying theme is that growing number in my bank account. The proof is in the pudding, honey:


Good Day,

We are happy to inform you that a new daily interest payment has been made.

Total interest amount - USD56.78

Interest amount under Private Plan - USD0.17

The above amount has been added to the principal amount.

Interest amount under Long Haul Plan - USD56.61

The above amount has been added to the principal amount.

We are doing our best to safely increase your savings and make you a happier person.

We are here to help you with anything and provide answers to all of the questions you may have.

Have a Blessed Day,

Roman Novak,
Founder
Profitable Sunrise

That's only 'growing numbers on a screen' but you already knew that. Can't have your marks know the real deal or they won't drop coin.

Myriad Force
12-24-2012, 03:41 PM
[QUOTE=Whip;37720]That's only 'growing numbers on a screen' but you already knew that. Can't have your marks know the real deal or they won't drop coin.[/QUOTEbab]

I am also in the Private Plan, in which I have done one withdrawal into my Solid Trust Pay account, merely to test the system. Guess what, I was paid in under ten minutes, just like others have heraled on the money forums. Of course (as is often the case with detractors), no-one queried the Myriad Force on that. That's OK, it's still a mortal world.

Could it be a Ponzi? Maybe. It's all the roll of the dice. We must embrace the mystery and always allow for anomalies.

To be filled with desire is to be empty, to be empty of desire is to be filled with the mystery - Tao De Ching

littleroundman
12-24-2012, 07:24 PM
Could it be a Ponzi? Maybe. It's all the roll of the dice. We must embrace the mystery and always allow for anomalies.

Did you ever have a dice shut up shop and run away with your money in the middle of a "roll" ???

Did a dice ever lie to you and pretend it wasn't a dice or that it was something else, other than a dice ???

Play HYIP ponzis if you like, it's your money and your time.

But, please don't insult our intelligence and expect us to believe a single word of your deep and meaningful justifications for doing so.

"We must embrace the mystery and always allow for anomalies" indeed.

Gimme a break.

I've seen more sincere messages inside Christmas crackers AND at least I got a whistle and a hat.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-24-2012, 07:33 PM
[QUOTE=Whip;37720]That's only 'growing numbers on a screen' but you already knew that. Can't have your marks know the real deal or they won't drop coin.[/QUOTEbab]

I am also in the Private Plan, in which I have done one withdrawal into my Solid Trust Pay account, merely to test the system. Guess what, I was paid in under ten minutes, just like others have heraled on the money forums. Of course (as is often the case with detractors), no-one queried the Myriad Force on that. That's OK, it's still a mortal world.

Could it be a Ponzi? Maybe. It's all the roll of the dice. We must embrace the mystery and always allow for anomalies.(my bold

To be filled with desire is to be empty, to be empty of desire is to be filled with the mystery - Tao De Ching

No honey, its not in the roll of the dice and it's not a mystery - it's in the Math and that says it's a ponzi.

“The truth is not always beautiful, nor beautiful words the truth.”― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

and on the subject of greed "

“When there is no desire,all things are at peace.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

Myriad Force
12-24-2012, 10:19 PM
[QUOTE=Myriad Force;37741]

No honey, its not in the roll of the dice and it's not a mystery - it's in the Math and that says it's a ponzi.

“The truth is not always beautiful, nor beautiful words the truth.”― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching


and on the subject of greed "

“When there is no desire,all things are at peace.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

Lets not be abstract shall we, lets isolate the issue. You say the Ponzi is in the math - is it that the numbers in the compounding become impossible for you to believe? Profitable Sunrise will become a closed investment society at 1.5 billion, currently they are around 400 to 600 million. The demand for Bridge Financing is growing as the banks are tightening up, once Profitable Sunrise is a multi-billion dollar entity they can diversify into other market sectors and create other sources of revenue. Also, Roman Novak clearly states on the PS site that they have the right to change the interest rate earned based on the movements of the market. Currently, most are earning 2.15 per day, I am sure most of us would not complain if the rate was lowered to 1.2% per day for example.

Ultimately, the entire international economy is a big ponzi and to keep it going new companies and sectors are created, some win and some lose. At the moment, I enjoy watching the Profitable Sunrise detractors having no empirical evidence for detracting, other than comparing them to other HYIP's.

Profitable Sunrise is a different animal, and will be a force to be reckoned with. What can I say, I am a believer.

Time will tell..distance is the long-range filter.

littleroundman
12-24-2012, 10:39 PM
Profitable Sunrise will become a closed investment society at 1.5 billion, currently they are around 400 to 600 million.

No, you have been TOLD they have 400 to 600 million. You don't KNOW anything.

The fact they SAY they have 400 to 600 million is not the same as seeing for yourself they have 400 to 600 million.

Think about it, a fraudster is hardly likely to admit he doesn't have any money is he ??

If the mere fact someone you have never met and have never even heard of tells you something is good enough "proof' for you, then lots of luck in your new found career in "investing"

Myriad Force
12-24-2012, 11:17 PM
No, you have been TOLD they have 400 to 600 million. You don't KNOW anything.

The fact they SAY they have 400 to 600 million is not the same as seeing for yourself they have 400 to 600 million.

Think about it, a fraudster is hardly likely to admit he doesn't have any money is he ??

If the mere fact someone you have never met and have never even heard of tells you something is good enough "proof' for you, then lots of luck in your new found career in "investing"

This you are correct on. Nanci Jo Frazer and other group leaders who talk to Roman Novak personally are conveying the figures, I happen to trust Nanci. What I trust even more is the Empirical Evidence of the returns to my Solid Trust Pay account.

All the detractors of Profitable Sunrise have zero proof for their cynicism. These are mortals that are either jealous or have a pattern of thriving on cynicism. I see tonight (Christmas Eve) Realscam.com is first on the leader board on Google when you type in Profitable Sunrise. So to all those viewing this site, here is some wisdom, if you are interested in Profitable Sunrise as an investment, only play with your risk money. The detractors have no proof that Profitable Sunrise is a scam, and those of us in it, are being paid daily into our back office. And more importantly, when we make withdrawals into our payment processors, the money usually shows up within an hour.

littleroundman
12-24-2012, 11:38 PM
Now that you've described a HYIP ponzi perfectly, why not come right out and say it ??

Why do we need to go through all this "Novak this" and "Nanci Jo Frazer" that B/S ???

Why not say

"Look, this is round 1 of a HYIP ponzi game. If you know what you're getting into and you still decide to go ahead, it's up to you.
If you DON'T know what a HYIP ponzi game is, go to the Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum or the MMG HYIP ponzi forum and look. If you STILL decide to go ahead after doing that, then you're on your own"

littleroundman
12-25-2012, 04:35 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/roman.jpg

Profitable Sunrise website (http://www.profitablesunrise.com/)

QUESTION: who can spot one verifiable "fact" on that page which would encourage them to send off their hard earned to "Roman" ??

QUESTION: if "Profitable Sunrise" have been in the "short term loan" business for 6 years, why do they suddenly need "investors" ??

QUESTION: if "Profitable Sunrise" itself uses the word "investors" where's the documentation and the approvals from the S.E.C. et al allowing them to solicit donations from the public ??

QUESTION: who are the "charities" and why are there no clearly displayed tax exemption numbers

Myriad Force
12-25-2012, 07:06 AM
who can spot one verifiable "fact" on that page which would encourage them to send off their hard earned to "Roman" ??
The fact is I know people making a living off of PS, and after test a withdrawal request, was paid in under 10 minutes.
QUESTION: if "Profitable Sunrise" have been in the "short term loan" business for 6 years, why do they suddenly need "investors" ??
Roman Novak is a Christian on a mission to help others, he is doing so by "letting" them invest. QUESTION: if "Profitable Sunrise" itself uses the word "investors" where's the documentation and the approvals from the S.E.C. et al allowing them to solicit donations from the public ??
To much red-tape in the USA, the SEC does not guarantee investors will not lose money, they are unelected homo-sapiens that work for the establishment. Roman licensed Inter Reef in UK to avoid the blender. I for one will hold my earnings in an off-shore bank account,and only deposit weekly into the states what I need. I have no intention of giving up my fifth amendment right to not prosecute myself by filling out unconstitutional tax-forms.
QUESTION: who are the "charities" and why are there no clearly displayed tax exemption numbers
We can give to the charity of our choosing, no-one is forcing us to give.

littleroundman
12-25-2012, 07:16 AM
Poor young Myriad Force is about to get a very rude and expensive lesson on how HYIP ponzis work.

Of course it's "paying"

What, do you really think Profitable Sunrise is going to take peoples' money and run away immediately ???

That's how a HYIP ponzi works, you silly little "investor".

They get you in, take your money, pay you a pittance, get your trust and THEN run away with the money.

Tell us, Myriad, how many days will Profitable Sunrise have your money before you can get your "seed" money back ???

Remember, at only 1% per DAY, it will take 100 days before you see one cent of profit.

Anyone who trusts a HYIP ponzi will last at least 100 days has a serious lesson coming to them.

Geez, at least read up on what how a ponzi works before you come on here sounding like some fresh faced kid playing HYIPs on his laptop, will you ???

Myriad Force
12-25-2012, 08:47 AM
Poor young Myriad Force is about to get a very rude and expensive lesson on how HYIP ponzis work.

Of course it's "paying"

What, do you really think Profitable Sunrise is going to take peoples' money and run away immediately ???

That's how a HYIP ponzi works, you silly little "investor".

They get you in, take your money, pay you a pittance, get your trust and THEN run away with the money.

Tell us, Myriad, how many days will Profitable Sunrise have your money before you can get your "seed" money back ???

Remember, at only 1% per DAY, it will take 100 days before you see one cent of profit.

Anyone who trusts a HYIP ponzi will last at least 100 days has a serious lesson coming to them.

Geez, at least read up on what how a ponzi works before you come on here sounding like some fresh faced kid playing HYIPs on his laptop, will you ???

As stated previously, Profitable Sunrise has been soaring for over a year now online (doing bridge financing since 2009), completing three 170 day cycles. If rolling the dice with them is going to take food off your kitchen table, DON'T DO IT!!! But if you have some risk capital, it is the best thing on the Internet right now. If you know of a better program, do tell.

Again, the naysayers of Profitable Sunrise have zero empirical evidence.
:watching_you:

PPBlog
12-25-2012, 10:11 AM
Profitable Sunrise has been soaring for over a year now

Bernard Madoff soared for 30 years.


bridge financing

"Bridge financing," eh?

BULLETIN: 2 Men With Hyped Credentials At Helm Of $51 Million Ponzi Scheme, Alberta Securities Commission Alleges; May Appearance Date Set For Dale Joseph Edgar St. Jean, Gregory Dennis Tindall; Defendants Also Linked To Alleged U.S. Fraud Scheme Tha (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2012/03/26/bulletin-2-men-with-hyped-credentials-at-helm-of-51-million-ponzi-scheme-alberta-securities-commission-alleges-may-appearance-date-set-for-dale-joseph-edgar-st-jean-gregory-dennis-tindall-defen/)

(More below.)


But if you have some risk capital

If this "program" is soliciting "risk capital," it is at risk of defending an action in which it (and potentially key pitchmen) are charged with selling unregistered securities as investment contracts.


"short term loan" business

Ask Legisi's Gregory McKnight how his "loan" program worked out for him. (Make sure you get a copy of the transcript in which he was telling undercover agents that he was in the "loan" business, not the "securities" business.)


Bridge financing

SEC Halts Denver-Based Ponzi Scheme (http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2012/2012-156.htm)


Bridge financing

Meet Nicholas Cosmo, currently on a 25-year-tour . . .

Eastern District of New York (http://www.justice.gov/usao/nye/pr/2011/2011oct14.html)

What's next, Myriad Force? Factoring?

Man, 79, Becomes Fugitive In Ponzi Scheme Case; Gerald J. Berke Wanted By FBI In Alleged $81 Million Caper (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2011/04/25/man-79-becomes-fugitive-in-ponzi-scheme-case-gerald-j-berke-wanted-by-fbi-in-alleged-81-million-caper/)

PPBlog

Myriad Force
12-25-2012, 10:38 AM
As stated previously, the detractors of Profitable Sunrise have zero empirical evidence for their cynicism.

Meanwhile, also in the UK, NewGNI is doing well, unfortunately, it became a closed pool on Dec, 1,2012, after an amazing year for the investors. Profitable Sunrise will become a closed pool when they reach 1.5 Billion in deposits.

To all the detractors, continue to bring on your best..I shall be back in the future with updates.

PPBlog
12-25-2012, 10:50 AM
Meanwhile, also in the UK, NewGNI is doing well..

Here's hoping Zeek/ASD/ClubAsteria/T2/Compound150 (etc.) promoter "Ken Russo" doesn't spend all his NewGNI winnings in one place. I'm thinking, Myriad Force, that you're aware of the bizarre sideshow the original GNI staged.

GNI Members: Failed Program Was ‘Honest’ And ‘Real’; Critics Should Shut Up And Focus On Haiti Earthquake (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/01/24/gni-members-failed-program-was-honest-and-real-critics-should-shut-up-and-focus-on-haiti-earthquake/)

PPBlog

Whip
12-25-2012, 11:43 AM
Poor young Myriad Force is about to get a very rude and expensive lesson on how HYIP ponzis work.

Of course it's "paying"

What, do you really think Profitable Sunrise is going to take peoples' money and run away immediately ???

That's how a HYIP ponzi works, you silly little "investor".

They get you in, take your money, pay you a pittance, get your trust and THEN run away with the money.

Tell us, Myriad, how many days will Profitable Sunrise have your money before you can get your "seed" money back ???

Remember, at only 1% per DAY, it will take 100 days before you see one cent of profit.

Anyone who trusts a HYIP ponzi will last at least 100 days has a serious lesson coming to them.

Geez, at least read up on what how a ponzi works before you come on here sounding like some fresh faced kid playing HYIPs on his laptop, will you ???

As you had researched....it's actually 240 days.
http://www.realscam.com/f16/quicksilver-her-boyfriends-new-scam-868/index14.html#post37379

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-25-2012, 12:50 PM
Ok - the parent company is registered in the UK - as follows

"Company Summary
Inter Reef Ltd is an Active business incorporated in England & Wales on 13th September 2011. Their business activity has not been recorded. Inter Reef Ltd is run by 1 current directors and 1 company secretary. It has no share capital. It is not part of a group. The company has not yet filed accounts. Inter Reef Ltd's Risk Score was amended on 15/09/2011.

Profitable Sunrise is not registered as a company with the UK authorities, nor is it registered with the FSA (UK) or FINRA (US) which is a legal requirement to undertake any financial service business in either of those countries. (The UK company registration number claimed to be theirs is in fact false.) It is therefore not operating legally in the UK.

All this information is easily available on the internet by the way.

littleroundman
12-25-2012, 01:10 PM
Yeah, but, it's paying

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-25-2012, 01:41 PM
Yeah, but, it's paying

Ouch. I asked for that one. lol Bit slow today. :duh:

Correction - Profitable Sunrise is operating illegally in the UK. even if it is paying

Myriad Force
12-25-2012, 02:20 PM
Here's hoping Zeek/ASD/ClubAsteria/T2/Compound150 (etc.) promoter "Ken Russo" doesn't spend all his NewGNI winnings in one place. I'm thinking, Myriad Force, that you're aware of the bizarre sideshow the original GNI staged.

GNI Members: Failed Program Was ‘Honest’ And ‘Real’; Critics Should Shut Up And Focus On Haiti Earthquake (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/01/24/gni-members-failed-program-was-honest-and-real-critics-should-shut-up-and-focus-on-haiti-earthquake/)

PPBlog

Why yes, yes I am. Thankyou for asking. I enjoy monitoring the stations.

Skeptic
12-25-2012, 02:59 PM
Welcome to REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) Myriad Force,

With the greatest respect, Myriad Force, but if the main criteria you use in deciding whether or not an online "opportunity" is a fraud are "I got paid" "I got paid on time" and "there is no empirical evidence" then I can confidently predict a very short, costly and painful investment career ahead of you in 2013.

I really don't know how you think "fraud" works, particularly 'net based HYIP ponzi fraud, BUT, it would be a pretty poorly run fraud, indeed, if the victims DIDN'T get paid on time and there WAS easily found "empirical evidence"


Unfortunately, your criteria for determining the status of a HYIP ponzi "opportunity" are guaranteed to part you from your money in double quick time.

Dear Sir,
As an administrator, aren't you supposed to be neutral?? Myriad has his money invested in Profitable Sunrise. It's not your money. It is his money. So if he is getting paid, he is getting paid. What's your problem?? If you have money invested in PS and have lost it, let us know, and we will not invest in PS. I strongly believe that I should listen to people who have come out of a bad experience and refrain from investing. I do not believe in listening to people who say such and such is a scam, without having lost a penny in it. If there is anyone here who has invested in PS and lost money, let him talk and I will be the most humble person and walk away from PS. But on the other hand if you have not invested and just talking just because you happen to have a mouth or fingers to type, you warrant nobody's attention. Don't give that crap about " I dug deep and found out....". You found out nothing. People, just look around. I am very much in favor of this site and this admin who is doing a great service to people who might lose money. I respect that. But at the same time keep away for speculations and false predictions. All HYIPs are good till today. Nobody knows about it tomorrow. Nobody and I mean nobody, not me, not this admin. PS has paid thus far, PS is good thus far. Tomorrow? I don't know. Anybody here who as much as tries to say that they know better about the future, are just jackasses looking for attention. If you have to talk about scam, talk about ProfitClicking where I didn't get my withdrawal out for two months, or WCA who are playing around with their smokescreens aka "web conference". Guys be truthful and save people who come here on this good site by exposing the real scams. Not imaginary ones.

ProfHenryHiggins
12-25-2012, 03:21 PM
Dear Sir,
As an administrator, aren't you supposed to be neutral?? Myriad has his money invested in Profitable Sunrise. It's not your money. It is his money. So if he is getting paid, he is getting paid. What's your problem?? If you have money invested in PS and have lost it, let us know, and we will not invest in PS. I strongly believe that I should listen to people who have come out of a bad experience and refrain from investing. I do not believe in listening to people who say such and such is a scam, without having lost a penny in it. If there is anyone here who has invested in PS and lost money, let him talk and I will be the most humble person and walk away from PS. But on the other hand if you have not invested and just talking just because you happen to have a mouth or fingers to type, you warrant nobody's attention. Don't give that crap about " I dug deep and found out....". You found out nothing. People, just look around. I am very much in favor of this site and this admin who is doing a great service to people who might lose money. I respect that. But at the same time keep away for speculations and false predictions. All HYIPs are good till today. Nobody knows about it tomorrow. Nobody and I mean nobody, not me, not this admin. PS has paid thus far, PS is good thus far. Tomorrow? I don't know. Anybody here who as much as tries to say that they know better about the future, are just jackasses looking for attention. If you have to talk about scam, talk about ProfitClicking where I didn't get my withdrawal out for two months, or WCA who are playing around with their smokescreens aka "web conference". Guys be truthful and save people who come here on this good site by exposing the real scams. Not imaginary ones.


It appears that you have swallowed, hook, line, and sinker, the logical fallacy that paying equals legitimacy.
Might I remind you that one of the hallmarks of a Ponzi scheme is that they do pay, and well, for the majority of their existence? This does not mean that they are honest or legal.

Soapboxmom
12-25-2012, 04:57 PM
Skeptic,

Welcome to the forum! The Admins and Mods here keep the site clean and enforce the rules, but first and foremost we are posters and do feel free to express our opinions.

HYIPs are scams, unsustainable and cannot over the long term pay out what they promise. I have no hesitation in expressing that as I have been exposing scams for many years. PS will go the way of all the HYIPs --- down the commode!

Soapboxmom

Myriad Force
12-25-2012, 06:19 PM
Skeptic,

Welcome to the forum! The Admins and Mods here keep the site clean and enforce the rules, but first and foremost we are posters and do feel free to express our opinions.

HYIPs are scams, unsustainable and cannot over the long term pay out what they promise. I have no hesitation in expressing that as I have been exposing scams for many years. PS will go the way of all the HYIPs --- down the commode!

Soapboxmom

Maybe. The homo-sapiens here have a tendency to rush to judgment and label everything a scam or ponzi, which is true in most cases. However, Profitable Sunrise is not a Ponzi. A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from the money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from profit earned by the individual or organization running the operation.

Profitable Sunrise (Inter Reef) has been doing bridge financing (the product/service) since 2009 offline. On 11-11-11,they went online and have completed three 170 day cycles, where individuals made a healthy daily return and received their principle back at expiry.

2013 looks equally promising. When they reach 1.5 billion in loan dollars, the program will go Private. Those in will continue to make money.

littleroundman
12-25-2012, 08:39 PM
The homo-sapiens here have a tendency to rush to judgment and label everything a scam or ponzi,

EVERYTHING ?????

We label "EVERYTHING" ???

You really are new at this, aren't you, Myriad Force ???

Have a look in the top left hand corner of your screen,

see that ???

Here, I'll help you out:

http://www.realscam.com/images/misc/realscam-logo1.gif

It says: "realscam"

We talk about "scams"

we don't talk about "NOT scams"

See how it works ???

littleroundman
12-25-2012, 08:40 PM
Dear Sir,
As an administrator, aren't you supposed to be neutral??

No.

any more questions ??

Whip
12-25-2012, 09:25 PM
EVERYTHING ?????

We label "EVERYTHING" ???

You really are new at this, aren't you, Myriad Force ???

Have a look in the top left hand corner of your screen,

see that ???

Here, I'll help you out:

http://www.realscam.com/images/misc/realscam-logo1.gif

It says: "realscam"

We talk about "scams"

we don't talk about "NOT scams"

See how it works ???

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/aagh.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/aagh.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/aagh.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/aagh.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/aagh.gif

littleroundman
12-25-2012, 09:54 PM
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/8691/myriad.gif

The Myriad Force page on Twitter (https://twitter.com/myriadforce)

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/1874/myriadlinked.jpg

Myriad Forces' Profitable Sunrise profile on LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/in/profitablesunrise)

baylee
12-25-2012, 10:09 PM
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/8691/myriad.gif

The Myriad Force page on Twitter (https://twitter.com/myriadforce)

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/1874/myriadlinked.jpg

Myriad Forces' Profitable Sunrise profile on LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/in/profitablesunrise)


Not hard to see what is being pimped here. One would think that he/she would at least kinda scuff the toe of ones shoe in the dirt before trying to scam somebody.

littleroundman
12-25-2012, 10:30 PM
Dear Sir,
As an administrator, aren't you supposed to be neutral?? Myriad has his money invested in Profitable Sunrise. It's not your money. It is his money. So if he is getting paid, he is getting paid. What's your problem?? If you have money invested in PS and have lost it, let us know, and we will not invest in PS. I strongly believe that I should listen to people who have come out of a bad experience and refrain from investing. I do not believe in listening to people who say such and such is a scam, without having lost a penny in it. If there is anyone here who has invested in PS and lost money, let him talk and I will be the most humble person and walk away from PS. But on the other hand if you have not invested and just talking just because you happen to have a mouth or fingers to type, you warrant nobody's attention. Don't give that crap about " I dug deep and found out....". You found out nothing. People, just look around. I am very much in favor of this site and this admin who is doing a great service to people who might lose money. I respect that. But at the same time keep away for speculations and false predictions. All HYIPs are good till today. Nobody knows about it tomorrow. Nobody and I mean nobody, not me, not this admin. PS has paid thus far, PS is good thus far. Tomorrow? I don't know. Anybody here who as much as tries to say that they know better about the future, are just jackasses looking for attention. If you have to talk about scam, talk about ProfitClicking where I didn't get my withdrawal out for two months, or WCA who are playing around with their smokescreens aka "web conference". Guys be truthful and save people who come here on this good site by exposing the real scams. Not imaginary ones.

In among all of that rationalization and justification, there's a very important lesson to be learned.

Like it or not, there exists a increasingly large sub strata of society whose members genuinely believe it's OK to take advantage of others.

Who genuinely do believe as long as "they get theirs", everybody else can go jump in the lake.

IOW, when it comes to HYIP ponzis and the HYIP ponzi "industry" the Law of the Jungle is alive and well.

ProfHenryHiggins
12-25-2012, 10:54 PM
Maybe. The homo-sapiens here have a tendency to rush to judgment and label everything a scam or ponzi, which is true in most cases. However, Profitable Sunrise is not a Ponzi. A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from the money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from profit earned by the individual or organization running the operation.

Profitable Sunrise (Inter Reef) has been doing bridge financing (the product/service) since 2009 offline. On 11-11-11,they went online and have completed three 170 day cycles, where individuals made a healthy daily return and received their principle back at expiry.

2013 looks equally promising. When they reach 1.5 billion in loan dollars, the program will go Private. Those in will continue to make money.


Let's see...

You've called yourself Ty Stewart Anderson, Paul Anderson, MichaelBoryAlis, and The Aqua Oracle, among other names.
Your other websites mostly are based on Empower Network, such as http://www.empowernetworkconsultinggroup.com , http://www.empowernetworkchalet.com , http://www.empowernetworkfocusgroup.com , http://www.empowernetworkstudio.com , http://www.empowernetworkjuicing.com , http://www.empowernetworklady.com , etc.

However, you also have such websites as http://www.gettingrichquicker.com , http://www.iwowweeme.com , http://www.autoxtenmf.com , http://www.cashtextsnews.com , http://www.greenfootglobalmf.com , and your book, http://www.theaquaoracle.com

And just what, pray tell, is a "universal consulate general," Mr. Anderson?

Whip
12-25-2012, 11:02 PM
Investment banker? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/376a.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/376a.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/376a.gif
Chairman? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/376a.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/376a.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/376a.gif

Seems to be some work history missing there for about 10 years.

littleroundman
12-26-2012, 02:51 AM
There are certain things in life we all "know"

We don't need "proof," the truth is self evident.

We "KNOW" it's not a good thing to stick metal objects in light sockets.

We "KNOW" we shouldn't jump out of planes without a parachute.

We "KNOW" not to stick our hand in an alligators' mouth.

We "KNOW" if it's on the Talkgold or MMG HYIP ponzi forums, it's not a legitimate business.

Here's another self evident truth for new readers.

We "KNOW" if Faith Sloan recommends it, then it's a HYIP ponzi.

Faith Sloan doesn't "do" real businesses.

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/237/faith.gif

Make up your own mind.

Are you going to be the one who believes for once, out of all the thousands of HYIP ponzis she's recommended, THIS TIME Faith Sloan has got it right and Profitable Sunrise is a real business ??

Myriad Force
12-26-2012, 07:30 AM
Let's see...

You've called yourself Ty Stewart Anderson, Paul Anderson, MichaelBoryAlis, and The Aqua Oracle, among other names.
Your other websites mostly are based on Empower Network, such as http://www.empowernetworkconsultinggroup.com , http://www.empowernetworkchalet.com , http://www.empowernetworkfocusgroup.com , http://www.empowernetworkstudio.com , http://www.empowernetworkjuicing.com , http://www.empowernetworklady.com , etc.

However, you also have such websites as Gettingrichquicker.com (http://www.gettingrichquicker.com) , http://www.iwowweeme.com , www.autoxtenmf.com (http://www.autoxtenmf.com) , www.cashtextsnews.com (http://www.cashtextsnews.com) , www.greenfootglobalmf.com (http://www.greenfootglobalmf.com) , and your book, www.theaquaoracle.com (http://www.theaquaoracle.com)

And just what, pray tell, is a "universal consulate general," Mr. Anderson?

Evidently, a nerve has been struck. Based on your tone, I feel no need to bequeathe specificity on you, but I will for fun. Yes, we all dabble in a bit of this and that from time to time, somethings work, somethings don't. Because you are not able to dismantle the substance of Profitable Sunrise, you have done the predictable mortal thing, and are trying to subvert me personally... how fun. You should try the EnviroTabs at Greenfoot Global, they are an incredible product. Oh, and my book, The Aqua Oracle, the band Rush based their last few albums off of it's ideology. Yes, you see, back in 95 I approached them using the name Michael Alexander BoryAlis - General Executor of the New Earth Administration. My biological name is Ty Stewart Anderson, and I live with my cousin Paul.
If you would like to email me, feel free to do so at universalconsulategeneral@gmail.com - I use that when dealing with dignataries such as yourself.
Stay away from Empower Network, however, it was David Wood that was the genesis of me entering the world of network marketing.

You missed my upcoming book - Listening Too Much.
Anything else?

littleroundman
12-26-2012, 07:41 AM
genesis of me entering the world of network marketing.

You're not "network marketing"

You're doing what lazy, non talented get-rich-quickers like to pretend is network marketing, but isn't.

path2prosperity
12-26-2012, 07:51 AM
He is competing with Faith Sloane.

Does he resort to the same low level cons as Faith? Look at this attempt to scam her fellow scammers.

Quote Faith Sloane. (http://faithsloan.com/)

"Make sure you see the username reneefsiler in the sponsor box before you join! If you do not see reneefsiler listed, Delete the sponsor name and type reneefsiler. Contact me so we can ensure you are a participant in our group so you can get the REAL SUNNY DEAL! Faith Sloan +1 800 670 3202
Again, For more info or to sign up, click HERE!"

Myriad Force
12-26-2012, 07:59 AM
Here is a continuative for ya - feel free to follow me at The Rush Forum (http://therushforum.com) - I am the provocateur there known as The Antagonist. You silly cats should really stick with the thread here - Profitable Sunrise. Much fun though, watching you making desperate stretches and majoring on minors.

Myriad Force
12-26-2012, 04:21 PM
Christmas Letter from Roman Novak, founder of Profitable Sunrise:

ProfitableSunrise – Merry Christmas!
My Dear Friends,
What a blessed time of the year! Obviously, the most popular time of the year for most of us. I love Christmas and I love everything about it.
Many say that over the years Christmas became more commercialized. The true message of Christmas tends to be lost. But for me, December is the favorite month of the year.
You can see how people change this month. Everyone seems to be in a totally positive mood. People start showing love and compassion towards each other. You can literally feel the Christmas Cheer is in the air.
Even though corporations push hard to advertise their products, we still manage to find the time to think about what we can give or do for others. It may be that our modern times dictate the way how we show our love for each other, the essence of the Christmas spirit is still there.
-=A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.=- John 13:34
I believe that the joy and the great mood that come every year on the month of December in anticipation of the Christmas day are because we follow this commandment.
Merry Christmas to You and Your Loved Ones!
Roman Novak
ProfitableSunrise Founder”.

baylee
12-26-2012, 07:02 PM
Christmas Letter from Roman Novak, founder of Profitable Sunrise:

ProfitableSunrise – Merry Christmas!
My Dear Friends,
What a blessed time of the year! Obviously, the most popular time of the year for most of us. I love Christmas and I love everything about it.
Many say that over the years Christmas became more commercialized. The true message of Christmas tends to be lost. But for me, December is the favorite month of the year.
You can see how people change this month. Everyone seems to be in a totally positive mood. People start showing love and compassion towards each other. You can literally feel the Christmas Cheer is in the air.
Even though corporations push hard to advertise their products, we still manage to find the time to think about what we can give or do for others. It may be that our modern times dictate the way how we show our love for each other, the essence of the Christmas spirit is still there.
-=A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.=- John 13:34
I believe that the joy and the great mood that come every year on the month of December in anticipation of the Christmas day are because we follow this commandment.
Merry Christmas to You and Your Loved Ones!
Roman Novak
ProfitableSunrise Founder”.

To me, there is nothing more disgusting when people bring religion into scams.

Myriad Force
12-26-2012, 07:43 PM
To me, there is nothing more disgusting when people bring religion into scams.

Maybe you seek to find a home here with others that have nothing better to do than spew their piss and vinegar, ESPECIALLY toward enties like Proftable Sunrise which has no empirical evidence of being a scam or ponzi.

You are rebuked in the Name of Jesus Christ.

ProfHenryHiggins
12-26-2012, 07:48 PM
Maybe you seek to find a home here with others that have nothing better to do than spew their piss and vinegar, ESPECIALLY toward enties like Proftable Sunrise which has no empirical evidence of being a scam or ponzi.

You are rebuked in the Name of Jesus Christ.

As a supernatural being, I'm going to laugh at that.
I've encountered new converts who, time and again, mistakenly thought that they could act in His authority without having a deep relationship with Him by which to channel divine power. It doesn't work that way.

There's not a spark of blessing behind your rebuke, Ty. Argue all you want on behalf of mortal programs, but don't try to pull religion in, because all it does it make you look like an idiot.

littleroundman
12-26-2012, 07:52 PM
no empirical evidence

Not hard to guess who learned a new expression at school recently.

Whip
12-26-2012, 08:17 PM
As a supernatural being, I'm going to laugh at that.
I've encountered new converts who, time and again, mistakenly thought that they could act in His authority without having a deep relationship with Him by which to channel divine power. It doesn't work that way.

There's not a spark of blessing behind your rebuke, Ty. Argue all you want on behalf of mortal programs, but don't try to pull religion in, because all it does it make you look like an idiot.

Coming from someone that worships false idols, how can you not? lol.

baylee
12-26-2012, 08:34 PM
I don't know about Piss but Vinegar is a very good cleaning solution so perhaps you might make use of both of them.

ProfHenryHiggins
12-26-2012, 08:35 PM
I don't know about Piss but Vinegar is a very good cleaning solution so perhaps you might make use of both of them.

Piss ferments into lant, which used to be used for cleaning. Also to make ale stronger.

Myriad Force
12-27-2012, 04:53 AM
As a supernatural being, I'm going to laugh at that.
I've encountered new converts who, time and again, mistakenly thought that they could act in His authority without having a deep relationship with Him by which to channel divine power. It doesn't work that way.

There's not a spark of blessing behind your rebuke, Ty. Argue all you want on behalf of mortal programs, but don't try to pull religion in, because all it does it make you look like an idiot.

What's worse than looking like an idiot, is being an idiot.

I am not arguing for Profitable Sunrise, just laying out the facts.

As Michael rebuked Satan in Jude 9, so also your assuming, which is locked in the lower levels of darkness, is Rebuked.

Henry, your laughter is the laughter of a drowning man - a nervous defense mechanism.
Yes, I have seen that with 'New Converts' as well.

Don't let knowledge get in your way there, Henry...you should never assume anyones level of metaphysical illumination, especially those you don't know. Henry, I don't abide by Internet Nazi's, if I want to bring "religion" into it I will.

Henry, tell us about your life with Jesus Christ, how did you meet Him? Tell us about your prayer life as a supernatural being? Are you baptized in the Holy Spirit and have you dedicated your life to Praying in the Spirit? You know how most Christians are, cold or lukewarm. They have the cart before the horse, like the world. Jesus said in Luke 24:49 - Don't go out until you have received power from on high.

Henry, are you a universalist or a damnationist? I am not here selling my book, it would be casting pearls before swine. At the same time, if you want to start a fire with me, I will turn it up, and you will find your vacuous and shallow analysis, incinerated.

Try me..:watching_you:

Myriad Force
12-27-2012, 05:30 AM
littleroundman, baylee, whip, and professor higgens...look, the homo-sapiens can't dismantle Profitable Sunrise, so they have to attack the one dismantling them with the true nature of things.
Makes me hungry for a Steak Sandwich and a frosty one.

Keep in mind, the topic at hand is Profitable Sunrise...

ProfHenryHiggins
12-27-2012, 05:53 AM
Little mortal, I am not of Eve's line.

When have you ever known a money-making program with dollar, cash, profit, or similar words in its' name to survive a brush with the court system?
And considering that your reaction to my identifying who we were conversing with for the benefit of others, followed by a Godwin with invocation of the specter of Hitler, I do not think that you have a moral leg to stand on, Mr. Anderson.

Now, consider the mathematical claims being made of percentages of return by the day, and recall what the secular courts have said about others that made such claims. Does 12DailyPro ring any bells? You might do well to learn the lessons of history and not repeat them.

Myriad Force
12-27-2012, 06:04 AM
Not hard to guess who learned a new expression at school recently.

Wrong again, there sure is alot of assuming here at Realscam. Empirical Evidence is the alliteration that has dismantled the naysayers of Profitable Sunrise - they have none.

Isn't this fun? I love watching desperate people, especially when the administrators feel the need to interject their venom.
Oh, I have not been around long...are we supposed to walk on egg-shells with the administrators here, lest we are banned
from the 56,686th most visited website in the world today?. Whew!!

littleroundman
12-27-2012, 06:15 AM
Is the sun going to appear tomorrow ????

I have no "empirical proof" it will.

But, it is, whether I can "prove" it or not.

littleroundman
12-27-2012, 06:23 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/roi.jpg

Anyone from Profitable Sunrise who can provide any "empirical evidence" a 2.17% DAILY interest rate is possible WITHOUT being a HYIP ponzi ???

Any time anyone has successfully offered a repeatable 2.17% DAILY interest rate in the history of the planet will do.

Myriad Force
12-27-2012, 06:45 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/roi.jpg

Anyone from Profitable Sunrise who can provide any "empirical evidence" a 2.17% DAILY interest rate is possible WITHOUT being a HYIP ponzi ???

Any time anyone has successfully offered a repeatable 2.17% DAILY interest rate in the history of the planet will do.

Gosh, it's real simple. Evidently you have not done your homework. As an administrator, you should know better, I guess that's why your existence has morphed to being an administrator at realscam.com -profound.

This place is boring me and the bigotry is vomitory. I am going to leave now to where the air is clean.
My final words to realscam.com are...:pao:

ProfHenryHiggins
12-27-2012, 06:57 AM
I wonder... if you flipped Profitable Sunrise around and viewed it differently, would the members still be as enthusiastic?

Envision the money you put in as being a loan, and the company is paying you interest... at a rate so high that any nation in the world would call it usury. And if you were as truly close to Christ as you try to pretend, Ty/Myriad Force, you would know what he taught regarding paying interest on money. He did not approve of it.

For that matter, recall the warnings against those who pray loudly in public for the sake of being seen praying.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-27-2012, 11:42 AM
So Profitable Sunrise has, according to you, been around as lenders since 2009. They are not registered, nor is Inter Reef, with the relevant financial authorites in the UK (and Inter Reef wasnt even registered as a company until Sept 2011) and it would appear the same applies in the US, how can they have been legally doing business in either of those countries since 2009? They are not registered as an investment company either. So what are they?

Either they are legal and registered or they are not legal nor registered. I suggest the latter based on FACT. If you can provide verifiable evidence to the contrary it will be interesting to see it. (not empirical evidence, but FACTUAL evidence)





Ok - the parent company is registered in the UK - as follows

"Company Summary
Inter Reef Ltd is an Active business incorporated in England & Wales on 13th September 2011. Their business activity has not been recorded. Inter Reef Ltd is run by 1 current directors and 1 company secretary. It has no share capital. It is not part of a group. The company has not yet filed accounts. Inter Reef Ltd's Risk Score was amended on 15/09/2011.

Profitable Sunrise is not registered as a company with the UK authorities, nor is it registered with the FSA (UK) or FINRA (US) which is a legal requirement to undertake any financial service business in either of those countries. (The UK company registration number claimed to be theirs is in fact false.) It is therefore not operating legally in the UK.

All this information is easily available on the internet by the way.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-28-2012, 10:03 AM
Myriad Force, where are you? I asked you a question


how can they have been legally doing business in either of those countries since 2009?

Please answer the post, unless of course you don't know the answer.

baylee
12-28-2012, 07:33 PM
Gosh, it's real simple. Evidently you have not done your homework. As an administrator, you should know better, I guess that's why your existence has morphed to being an administrator at realscam.com -profound.

This place is boring me and the bigotry is vomitory. I am going to leave now to where the air is clean.
My final words to realscam.com are...:pao:

I did my homework and reported this "Scam" to the internet Crime Center

Link:

Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home (http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx)

Myriad Force
12-28-2012, 11:12 PM
Had to come back and share a recorded conference call with Roman Novak, founder of Profitable Sunrise which was conducted Dec 27th, 2012.
Call 1-614-715-3900 Ext:864605# The weenies here that weakly proclaim that Profitable Sunrise is a scam, should have a listen. They might learn some things.

Roman does calls from time to time to let the participants of Profitable Sunrise know how things are going, he is very open and has nothing to hide.
So far so good. His largest investors are from Dubai and Asia. He stated that the 2.15% daily interest rate will last 2 to 5 years and that they are considering other sectors in the market place to implement into the program. Once the loan amount hits 1.5 to 2 billion, the doors will be closed to new participants.

:whip:

Myriad Force
12-29-2012, 12:13 AM
Had to come back and share a recorded conference call with Roman Novak, founder of Profitable Sunrise which was conducted Dec 27th, 2012.
Call 1-614-715-3900 Ext:864605# The weenies here that weakly proclaim that Profitable Sunrise is a scam, should have a listen. They might learn some things.

Roman does calls from time to time to let the participants of Profitable Sunrise know how things are going, he is very open and has nothing to hide.
So far so good. His largest investors are from Dubai and Asia. He stated that the 2.15% daily interest rate will last 2 to 5 years and that they are considering other sectors in the market place to implement into the program. Once the loan amount hits 1.5 to 2 billion, the doors will be closed to new participants.

:whip:

Oops. The area code above is turned around - the correct number is 1-641-715-3900 - Ext:864605#

littleroundman
12-29-2012, 12:24 AM
Good lord, how easy is it to fool some people ??

"Roman" said it, so it must be true.

For Gods' sakes, man, you don't even know if "Roman" even exists.

The fact "someone" recorded a conference call means abso-bloody-lutely nothing.

Young Myriad must be one of the softest touches on the planet.

Anyone could walk up to him on the street, claim to be an investment guru, promise to double his money and, he'd gladly hand it over.

Some people ask why we let obvious pimps and shills continue to post on REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com)

Why not ???

The longer the 'Myriad Force" type shills of this world post, the more they expose their total ignorance for readers to see.

"Roman said" my a**.

littleroundman
12-29-2012, 01:48 AM
See, even fraudsters need a break at Christmas:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/amanda.jpg

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-29-2012, 07:39 AM
@Myriad Force. I asked you a question in Post #64 on this thread. You're back and have avoided answering the question so far.

It is of supreme indifference to me what you think might happen or what your leader claims will happen, if you are unable to verify the legal foundation on which this operation is operating. What is Profitable Sunrise licensed and registered to do in the UK, USA, Canada, EC and the rest of the world? The only thing verified so far is that they are NOT trading legally in the UK.

Myriad Force
12-29-2012, 08:20 AM
@Myriad Force. I asked you a question in Post #64 on this thread. You're back and have avoided answering the question so far.

It is of supreme indifference to me what you think might happen or what your leader claims will happen, if you are unable to verify the legal foundation on which this operation is operating. What is Profitable Sunrise licensed and registered to do in the UK, USA, Canada, EC and the rest of the world? The only thing verified so far is that they are NOT trading legally in the UK.

Evidently, you are not in the Loop. They are registered as Inter Reef, PS is only the umbrella company for members.
ProfitableSunrise is under the umbrella of Inter Reef LTD. Company Check - Free company financial check on INTER REEF LTD. Registered number 07772083. Free company accounts. Companies House information (http://companycheck.co.uk/company/07772083)


Basic Information


Company Status: Active

Registration Date: 13/09/2011

Registration Number: 07772083

Type: Private Limited Company

Registered Address

CORNER CHAMBERS

590A KINGSBURY ROAD

BIRMINGHAM

B24 9ND
• Voice: 013525 059 949
•Fax: 14072 648 855

PPBlog
12-29-2012, 10:01 AM
They are registered as Inter Reef

Immaterial. Recently busted Zeek was registered as a business entity, but not registered to sell securities. So was AdSurfDaily. So was Legisi.

Profitable Sunrise says it pays more than any of those "programs." Zeek's Paul Burks currently is confronting court actions in three venues. ASD's Andy Bowdoin is in jail, and Legisi's Gregory McKnight faces up to 15 years when sentenced.

As previously noted, Nicholas Cosmo is doing 25 years for his purported Agape World "bridge financing" program after his arrest in 2009. Court records show that he used some of the proceeds from his Agape scheme to pay restitution from a previous case (10 years earlier) in which he was convicted of mail fraud.

After Cosmos was arrested for the Agape caper, four of his pitchmen were charged criminally:

FBI — Former Agape World Inc. Account Representatives Charged in New York with Massive Ponzi Scheme (http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2012/former-agape-world-inc.-account-representatives-charged-in-new-york-with-massive-ponzi-scheme)

From U.S. Attorney Loretta E. Lynch:

“These defendants allegedly convinced thousands of men and women to part with their hard-earned money for what was supposed to be a safe investment. In reality, the investors were duped into investing in a classic Ponzi scheme. And when concerns were raised, the defendants only deepened the deception by selling bogus ‘insurance’ against the victimization that had already occurred. Today’s arrests demonstrate the Department of Justice’s commitment to aggressively prosecute individuals at all levels who knowingly participate in such schemes.”

On a side note, Agape claimed to be a private bridge lender "since 1999." The trouble with that claim was that Cosmo was in federal prison until August 2000 for his first conviction.

In the Pathway to Prosperity HYIP case, an expert hired by the U.S. government observed that "fraudulent commercial schemes are not noted for their internal consistency."

And, of course, if you take the time to read court filings in the Pathway To Prosperity case, for just one example, you'll see that the purported returns offered by Profitable Sunrise are on par with the returns offered by P2P operator Nicholas Smirnow, who is listed by INTERPOL as a wanted fugitive.


Roman does calls from time to time to let the participants of Profitable Sunrise know how things are going, he is very open and has nothing to hide. So far so good. His largest investors are from Dubai and Asia. He stated that the 2.15% daily interest rate will last 2 to 5 years and that they are considering other sectors in the market place to implement into the program. Once the loan amount hits 1.5 to 2 billion, the doors will be closed to new participants.


Profitable Sunrise will become a closed investment society at 1.5 billion

One of the experts hired by the U.S. government to expose the P2P scam had this to say:

"Another feature of high yield scams is a sense of exclusivity. This sense is honed to a high degree in multi level marketing programs".


PPBlog

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-29-2012, 01:16 PM
Evidently, you are not in the Loop. They are registered as Inter Reef, PS is only the umbrella company for members.
ProfitableSunrise is under the umbrella of Inter Reef LTD. Company Check - Free company financial check on INTER REEF LTD. Registered number 07772083. Free company accounts. Companies House information (http://companycheck.co.uk/company/07772083)


Basic Information


Company Status: Active

Registration Date: 13/09/2011

Registration Number: 07772083

Type: Private Limited Company

Registered Address

CORNER CHAMBERS

590A KINGSBURY ROAD

BIRMINGHAM

B24 9ND
• Voice: 013525 059 949
•Fax: 14072 648 855

Myriad Force - can you not READ?

(from post 64)


So Profitable Sunrise has, according to you, been around as lenders since 2009. They are not registered, nor is Inter Reef, with the relevant financial authorites in the UK (and Inter Reef wasnt even registered as a company until Sept 2011) and it would appear the same applies in the US, how can they have been legally doing business in either of those countries since 2009? They are not registered as an investment company either. So what are they?

The fact is that Inter Reef has a company registration with it's activity marked as "unknown" and has no share capital. Anyone can set up a shell company, but that doesn't make it a business. That does not permit them to participate legally in any loan or investment activity. For that they need additional registrations. In the UK this is the FSA. Neither Inter Reef nor Profitable Sunrise are registered or licensed by the FSA

Please answer the question that was asked.

scratchycat
12-29-2012, 04:17 PM
Has anyone here done any research on something called Profitable Sunrise?

I have already warned a good friend away from it after going inside for a look. Like most of these things, it lays out a way for them to earn their incredibly high yields that is meant to sound possible.

Sadly, the people behind this claim to be Christians, and like to throw in a Bible verse here and there to make it look nice (if you can possibly say there is ANYTHING nice looking about the horribly amateurish site.)

If these people were making the money they are claiming to make with their "bridge loans," it would be usury of the loan shark kind....
The "parent" company is Inter Reef LTD [GB].

Here is how they are described by a member or customer, which is exactly what they claim in their private broadcasts (I listened to one) and any written material:

"Their website is: Welcome to Profitable Sunrise! (http://www.profitablesunrise.com) They are hard money lenders. Have been in business 8 years. They make loans from 5-20 days and 2-6 months. They charge 2.6%-3.0% daily, 5 days per week. Loans are usually secured. They take in "investor" money and pay a return of 1.6%-2.1% per day, compounding, 5 days per week. The earned interest can be taken out anytime, everyday. The principal has to remain in their fund for 170 to 180 days before being withdrawn and reinvested (if you choose to). Their security on the loan and investor money is insured in case of default. Their main bank is Baltikums Bank AS in Nicosia, Cyprus. Their Founder/CEO is Roman Novak; his brother Radislov Novak is the company attorney; their accountant is Ms. Ruth Ellington; their techhie is Nosuke Koyama. They put on a very "religious front" (which is always a red flag). I have several friends who have invested with them and they have been credited with interest payments daily. Thank You

Read more: What is the street address and phone number for "Profitable - JustAnswer http://www.justanswer.com/fraud-examiner/72i86-street-address-phone-number-profitable.html#ixzz2DrTUqMS3"

A member name that appears to be closely connected to the owners is Dr. Goddie Ude (http:// drgoddie .com/profitable-sunrise/ ).

2% to 3% per day IS usury (and I thought my credit card companies were crooks!!) They are using STP, bank wire transfers (of course!!), EGO Pay, Liberty Reserve and Perfect Money for transactions.

If you do a Google street level look at their "office," there's not much to see for a multi-million dollar enterprise.

The website, profitable sunrise .com, is about as unprofessional as I've ever seen. Other sites owned by Roman Novak: Ice-dollar .com, Money Gator.net

Anybody know if this is being investigated by law enforcement, yet?

Have you asked this of any of your Adlandpro friends, seems many are involved?


2449

scratchycat
12-29-2012, 04:25 PM
Profitable Sunrise!! | Bolivar, Missouri, United States | Classified Ads | AdlandPro (http://www.adlandpro.com/ad/1462724/Profitable-Sunrise.aspx?index=10&total=289&cat=327&childcat=335&country=226)

Ads | AdlandPro (http://www.adlandpro.com/UserAds/225055.aspx)

Profitablesunrise - Profitablesunrise.com - Page 291 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=343468&page=291)

Don't think those small payouts would get me too excited!!

Also, I would not believe those comments in red at this place:

Profitablesunrise - Profitablesunrise.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Profitablesunrise-Profi-t391093.html&pid=7411297&st=3450#entry7411297)

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-29-2012, 04:29 PM
Myriad Force. Have you disappeared again? I am waiting for you to answer the question Post #64. It's not difficult. Just read the question and let us have the answer..

scratchycat
12-29-2012, 04:30 PM
"PROFITABLE SUNRISE = SUNSET FOR YOUR $


Another High Yield Investment Program (HYIP) which means Ponzi Scheme except that this is a Micro scam that lets suckers join for $10. Of course that is just so they can get you suckered into putting in $1,000’s! It originates out of the UK so you never have a chance of getting your money back (at least Zeek you have some chance). They talk charity but their UK address is out of the equivalent of US “Mailboxes R us. Run, run, run!

Watch list Ponzi schemes, gifting scams, pyramids (http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/MLM_Watch_list.html)



Accepted Answer


Hi,

My name is XXXXX XXXXX X'd be happy to answer your questions today.

Initially what I see is that, when you search for this company, you get a bunch of results written by the company, telling you how awesome they are. Legitimate companies don't do this, because there's no need. However, this is very common with companies that are not legitimate.

From what I can find, this has all the markings of an illegal pyramid scheme. For one thing, they offer very high, too-good-to-be-true profits. There's a reason for that. For another, it appears that you have to buy in, and the way to really make money is to refer others to the business - that's a pyramid scheme, and it's illegal. Initially, people do sometimes make money from these schemes. However, the pyramid eventually collapses, and only people who bought in at the very beginning get anything out of it. This is exactly what happened with Zeekler Rewards a few months ago. Also, keep in mind that, when a pyramid scheme collapses, the government can reclaim all funds paid out to redistribute them to the victims. So, even if you get paid, the monies you get could be reversed as an illegal transfer (even months or more than a year later), and you wind up in a much worse position than you would be in had you not invested in the first place. Also, the thing with pyramid schemes is, since the way to make money is to refer others, most people who are talking to you about investing are going to claim to have received profits - otherwise, they don't get the money for bringing you into the scheme. They're acting in their own best interests, not yours.

They claim to be located in the UK, but are not registered with the Companie's House, which is the entity that licenses businesses to operate in the United Kingdom. The website has been up since registered on July 31, 2012, so they have not been around very long. The domain registration information shows that the page was initially registered in September 2011, but it's changed several times since then. There have been five significant updates to the domain registration, and three IP address changes - in just over a year. That's all a little suspicious. The registration also says that the site is owned by Inter Reef, LTD. Inter Reef is registered with the Companie's House, but with a Great Britain address and a telephone number in Gainesville, Florida. The address provided is just a P.O. Box, so there's no office located there - and no way to know where the company is actually located.

There is no location information on their website, as if they do not want people to know where they are (a very bad sign), but their fax number has an area code in Orlando, Florida (about 100 miles or so from Gainsville). The only address I could come up with is 590a Kingsbury Road, Birmingham, B24 9ND. A search for that address shows that a number of other companies use that same address, many of them scam companies, which suggests that it's only a drop box or a virtual address, and that this company does not have a physical address there.

All of this suggests that investing with the company would not be a good idea. There are just too many things that don't add up. Please rate my service positively before signing out, as this is the only way that I get credit for the time I spend helping you. I hope that you are 100% satisfied - otherwise, please reply so we can continue the conversation. Good luck.


Read more: Is Profitable Sunrise a Registered & Ligitimate Investment - JustAnswer http://www.justanswer.com/fraud-examiner/7b413-profitable-sunrise-registered-ligitimate-investment.html#ixzz2GTkOOZ2q"

Is Profitable Sunrise a Registered & Ligitimate Investment - JustAnswer (http://www.justanswer.com/fraud-examiner/7b413-profitable-sunrise-registered-ligitimate-investment.html)

jb56
12-29-2012, 08:11 PM
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WOW, i come across this forum which just started a month or so ago and ProSun has been smoothly operating for over a year for small investors and even longer for larger investors? Where have the skeptics been hiding? Are people really that envious of successful people that they have to start nonsense here. I do not see anyone posting that ProSun has failed to pay them or failed to live up to any expectation these past 14 months. there are several other forums which have been running for over a year with nothing but positive posts and happy investors. Maybe someone on this forum can find a ProSun participant who is unhappy and thinks they were mistreated in any way by ProSun. I have been one of the thousands of very happy investors for the past 12 months and the experience has been 'life changing' and i encourage everyone to get involved with whatever spare money you can grab, you will not be disappointed one bit.

as for the definition of a HYIP from wikipedia- A high-yield investment program (HYIP) is a type of Ponzi scheme, an investment scam that promises unsustainably high return on investment by paying previous investors with the money invested by new investors.

ProSun has proven to be sustainable and it does not use new investments to pay previous investors, so once again ProSun is NOT a HYIP like all of the others mentioned previously on this site and it is definitely NOT a scam, it pays interest to me every day for more than a year.

To date there have been no 'victims' of ProSun - only happy investors, and no amount of negativity on this stupid site or anywhere else will stop the ProSun train from continuing to roll along smoothly.

And for those who may not be aware, the business of "hard money collateral lending" has been around for many years, but with minimums of 100K to participate. I (and my partners) have done very well in these programs for the past 20 years. what ProSun is doing is nothing new at all, the only difference is that this owner is willing to help the little guy since his minimums are so low. ProSun is just one of several of these lenders I am invested with right now and with the major economies around the world showing weakness, the business of 'collateral lending' will flourish for the next few years at a minimum. Most of the past 20 years I only get .5% - 1.25% daily from these companies but when economies are struggling, these programs flourish and the rates increase.

i hope everyone has a healthy start to the new year and please? if you want to be a ProSun hater just bring some evidence of people who have been scammed?

ProfHenryHiggins
12-29-2012, 08:18 PM
Is this you, jb56?

jb56 - Viewing Profile (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/jb56-m435623.html)
Profitablesunrise - Profitablesunrise.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Profitablesunrise-Profi-t391093.html&st=3360&p=7403855#entry7403855)
Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum - View Profile: jb56 (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/member.php?u=294593)
Profitablesunrise - Profitablesunrise.com - Page 262 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=343468&page=262)


Apparently you do not understand that a program doesn't "go scam" as you put it, but is one from the start.

Whip
12-29-2012, 08:18 PM
Clearly you are worried you won't get your money back or you would have no needed to be even looking for this messageboard.

baylee
12-29-2012, 08:38 PM
Is this you, jb56?

jb56 - Viewing Profile (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/jb56-m435623.html)
Profitablesunrise - Profitablesunrise.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Profitablesunrise-Profi-t391093.html&st=3360&p=7403855#entry7403855)
Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum - View Profile: jb56 (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/member.php?u=294593)
Profitablesunrise - Profitablesunrise.com - Page 262 - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=343468&page=262)


Apparently you do not understand that a program doesn't "go scam" as you put it, but is one from the start.

It never ceases to amaze me what pimps and shills do to steal just one more dollar.

littleroundman
12-29-2012, 08:56 PM
It's really not hard to identify a HYIP ponzi player/shill when they come on to REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) attempting to rationalize and justify their participation in an illegal fraud and wring the very last dollar out of victims.

In the HYIP ponzi world, the word "scam" has a completely different meaning than it does to most readers.

A HYIP ponzi is only declared to be a "scam" to players when it closes prematurely.

That is "prematurely" in the minds of HYIP ponzi players who expect the HYIP du-jour to continue until they, at least, have made their money back and are "in profit"

HYIP ponzi players have a very strange morality when it comes to their chosen "hobby"

Many of them believe there was a (mythical) time when HYIP ponzi owners worked to a code of conduct and only closed their HYIP when deposits no longer matched outgoings and the HYIP owners only kept around 10% of the money plus "expenses"

Of course, such a time never really existed, but, posters like jb56 still cling to the hope that one day, those times will return.

In the meantime, to jb56 and his fellow HYIP ponzi player / shills, Profitable Sunrise has not yet "turned scam"

He's being paid, and, in his tiny mind, that's all that counts.

Former Player
12-29-2012, 11:02 PM
This is looking eerily similar to P2P Pathway to Prosperity in many ways. This scam could grow to enormous size. Because the admin is communicating closely to the flock it reminds me a lot of Nick Smirnow.

Myriad Force
12-30-2012, 11:18 AM
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WOW, i come across this forum which just started a month or so ago and ProSun has been smoothly operating for over a year for small investors and even longer for larger investors? Where have the skeptics been hiding? Are people really that envious of successful people that they have to start nonsense here. I do not see anyone posting that ProSun has failed to pay them or failed to live up to any expectation these past 14 months. there are several other forums which have been running for over a year with nothing but positive posts and happy investors. Maybe someone on this forum can find a ProSun participant who is unhappy and thinks they were mistreated in any way by ProSun. I have been one of the thousands of very happy investors for the past 12 months and the experience has been 'life changing' and i encourage everyone to get involved with whatever spare money you can grab, you will not be disappointed one bit.

as for the definition of a HYIP from wikipedia- A high-yield investment program (HYIP) is a type of Ponzi scheme, an investment scam that promises unsustainably high return on investment by paying previous investors with the money invested by new investors.

ProSun has proven to be sustainable and it does not use new investments to pay previous investors, so once again ProSun is NOT a HYIP like all of the others mentioned previously on this site and it is definitely NOT a scam, it pays interest to me every day for more than a year.

To date there have been no 'victims' of ProSun - only happy investors, and no amount of negativity on this stupid site or anywhere else will stop the ProSun train from continuing to roll along smoothly.

And for those who may not be aware, the business of "hard money collateral lending" has been around for many years, but with minimums of 100K to participate. I (and my partners) have done very well in these programs for the past 20 years. what ProSun is doing is nothing new at all, the only difference is that this owner is willing to help the little guy since his minimums are so low. ProSun is just one of several of these lenders I am invested with right now and with the major economies around the world showing weakness, the business of 'collateral lending' will flourish for the next few years at a minimum. Most of the past 20 years I only get .5% - 1.25% daily from these companies but when economies are struggling, these programs flourish and the rates increase.

i hope everyone has a healthy start to the new year and please? if you want to be a ProSun hater just bring some evidence of people who have been scammed?

Perfectly articulated. The lemmings at realscam.com relish in their Cult of Uncertainty, they have ZERO EVIDENCE of scamming, and can only weakly and pathetically try to parallel other scams to it.

Would the detractors of Profitable Sunrise offer up your Empirical Evidence of scamming? You are stuck in a corner; you are desperate;you are losing the battle of wits. Roman Novak stands for Jesus Christ. Think of all the antichrists that are watching this program in terror. They won't become involved because the owner is a Christian that loves Jesus Christ, and does not back down to the antichrists.

Gotta love it.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-30-2012, 11:27 AM
Perfectly articulated. The lemmings at realscam.com relish in their Cult of Uncertainty, they have ZERO EVIDENCE of scamming, and can only weakly and pathetically try to parallel other scams to it.

Would the detractors of Profitable Sunrise offer up your Empirical Evidence of scamming? You are stuck in a corner; you are desperate;you are losing the battle of wits. Roman Novak stands for Jesus Christ. Think of all the antichrists that are watching this program in terror. They won't become involved because the owner is a Christian that loves Jesus Christ, and does not back down to the antichrists.

Gotta love it.

Hey there, you're back. Now will you please answer the question asked of you in Post #64.. Don't forget to read the question properly before you answer.

littleroundman
12-30-2012, 11:30 AM
Perfectly articulated. The lemmings at realscam.com relish in their Cult of Uncertainty, they have ZERO EVIDENCE of scamming, and can only weakly and pathetically try to parallel other scams to it.

Would the detractors of Profitable Sunrise offer up your Empirical Evidence of scamming? You are stuck in a corner; you are desperate;you are losing the battle of wits. Roman Novak stands for Jesus Christ. Think of all the antichrists that are watching this program in terror. They won't become involved because the owner is a Christian that loves Jesus Christ, and does not back down to the antichrists.

Gotta love it.

OH-bloody-DEAR

Affinity fraud, her we come

Myriad Force
12-30-2012, 11:44 AM
OH-bloody-DEAR

Affinity fraud, her we come

Cat got your tongue?, or, look what the cat dragged in.

Evidence of scamming...do you have any, yes or no.
Put up or shut up...poop or get off the pot.

littleroundman
12-30-2012, 11:51 AM
Cat got your tongue?, or, look what the cat dragged in.

Evidence of scamming...do you have any, yes or no.
Put up or shut up...poop or get off the pot.

No, no, you brought Jesus and religion into this, please carry on the theme.

The thread is yours.

Jesus and HYIP ponzis, what a mix

Myriad Force
12-30-2012, 11:52 AM
Hey there, you're back. Now will you please answer the question asked of you in Post #64.. Don't forget to read the question properly before you answer.

Already answered your question clearly yesterday, it is a matter of you accepting it. You will have to Google the Inter Reef registration number yourself, i don't have it handy.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-30-2012, 12:07 PM
Already answered your question clearly yesterday, it is a matter of you accepting it. You will have to Google the Inter Reef registration number yourself, i don't have it handy.

No you fudged the question.


I asked you to provide evidence that Profitable Sunrise and Inter Reef are licensed with the required financial authorities to trade in the field they claim to trade - i.e. loans, investments and other financial services etc. You have not done so. All you have done is provide the company registration for the Inter Reef company which I already provided to you. As there is no movement nor accounts recorded by this company it can safely be deemed to be a shell company which anyone can set up. I am asking proof of their TRADING registrations and licenses.

(But I suspect you know that and are either unable or unwilling to answer the question)

littleroundman
12-30-2012, 12:11 PM
My local continental deli is "licensed"

Does that qualify it to offer "investments" ???

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-30-2012, 12:14 PM
My local continental deli is "licensed"

Does that qualify it to offer "investments" ???

only if it has its registration accepted by the FSA or FINRA if it wishes to sell investments. For now I suggest that a liquor license will be fine if they want to carry on selling beer. lol

Myriad Force
12-30-2012, 01:44 PM
No you fudged the question.


I asked you to provide evidence that Profitable Sunrise and Inter Reef are licensed with the required financial authorities to trade in the field they claim to trade - i.e. loans, investments and other financial services etc. You have not done so. All you have done is provide the company registration for the Inter Reef company which I already provided to you. As there is no movement nor accounts recorded by this company it can safely be deemed to be a shell company which anyone can set up. I am asking proof of their TRADING registrations and licenses.

(But I suspect you know that and are either unable or unwilling to answer the question)

I have no proof either way,after typing in Inter Reef, Apple, and Google, to find "trading registrations" I found nothing. It is not a matter of avoiding anything, we are all thinking people here, digging for truth. For the sake of truth, I will contact support at Profitable Sunrise, to see what the response is. You may have not done this, or, have you? Maybe you have more insight in this area of DD, what website do you use?

Myriad Force
12-30-2012, 01:46 PM
No, no, you brought Jesus and religion into this, please carry on the theme.

The thread is yours.

Jesus and HYIP ponzis, what a mix

It is sweet beauty to me how you still provide ZERO EVIDENCE of PS being a Ponzi. ZERO.

baylee
12-30-2012, 01:58 PM
It is sweet beauty to me how you still provide ZERO EVIDENCE of PS being a Ponzi. ZERO.

Faith Sloan and ken/DrDave/Russo are pimping this.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-30-2012, 02:03 PM
I have no proof either way,after typing in Inter Reef, Apple, and Google, to find "trading registrations" I found nothing. It is not a matter of avoiding anything, we are all thinking people here, digging for truth. For the sake of truth, I will contact support at Profitable Sunrise, to see what the response is. You may have not done this, or, have you? Maybe you have more insight in this area of DD, what website do you use?

We will look forward to the answers from Profitable Sunrise when you receive them. A web search of both company names and the FSA and FIFA registrations reveals nothing more than the setting up of a limited liability company with no share capital which has yet to produce any financials as far as Inter Reef is concerned. Profitable Sunrise yields NO info. I am afraid that until someone can demonstrate that one or either of these two businesses is properly registered and licensed to trade in any financial service, including investments, we can safely say that they are not permitted to do so in either the UK nor the USA. (There is a section on the FSA website which permits the reporting of possible fraudulent/illegal schemes)

Myriad Force
12-30-2012, 02:33 PM
We will look forward to the answers from Profitable Sunrise when you receive them. A web search of both company names and the FSA and FIFA registrations reveals nothing more than the setting up of a limited liability company with no share capital which has yet to produce any financials as far as Inter Reef is concerned. Profitable Sunrise yields NO info. I am afraid that until someone can demonstrate that one or either of these two businesses is properly registered and licensed to trade in any financial service, including investments, we can safely say that they are not permitted to do so in either the UK nor the USA. (There is a section on the FSA website which permits the reporting of possible fraudulent/illegal schemes)

Nice. Since PS is a private company, no share capital would be reported. I have emailed support. Because of the holiday, Roman has stated all emails will be responded to on Jan 2.

As of now, there is no evidence of fraud, only payments and withdrawals on time like clockwork since Nov 2011.

Current conclusion, Profitable Sunrise is rock'en, with thousand of elated investors.

ProfHenryHiggins
12-30-2012, 02:47 PM
Perfectly articulated. The lemmings at realscam.com relish in their Cult of Uncertainty, they have ZERO EVIDENCE of scamming, and can only weakly and pathetically try to parallel other scams to it.

Would the detractors of Profitable Sunrise offer up your Empirical Evidence of scamming? You are stuck in a corner; you are desperate;you are losing the battle of wits. Roman Novak stands for Jesus Christ. Think of all the antichrists that are watching this program in terror. They won't become involved because the owner is a Christian that loves Jesus Christ, and does not back down to the antichrists.

Gotta love it.

[DRIPPING SARCASM]
How blasphemous of you, Pharisee. Your soul will make a delightfully hateful wine in the afterlife, pressed together with a few dozen similarly fanatical essences from sects that don't think the same way you do.[/DRIPPING SARCASM]

PPBlog
12-30-2012, 07:45 PM
Reader Tony has posted some interesting information at the PP Blog in response to a Profitable Sunrise story today that referenced this RealScam.com thread:

Link to Tony's post:

WHACK-A-MOLE: In Aftermath Of Zeek Collapse, ‘ProfitableSunrise’ Emerges (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2012/12/30/whack-a-mole-in-aftermath-of-zeek-collapse-profitablesunrise-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-42718)

Snippet from Tony's post:

________________________________________________

One site says that for Inter Reef Ltd, “Their founding director was Agnes Jouaneau, aged 45. They have no known group companies.”

“Agnes Jouaneau” is an unusual enough name. The first hit on google is this story from 2010:
New fears NZ 'firms' laundering terror cash | Stuff.co.nz (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3210360/New-fears-NZ-firms-laundering-terror-cash)

________________________________________________

There is a reference to Inter Reef, which references the purported Agnes Jouaneau, here:

https://www.duedil.com/company/07772083/inter-reef-ltd

PPBlog

ProfHenryHiggins
12-30-2012, 07:59 PM
Hmm... I see quite a bit out there on that name. Also on "Jemina Agnes Jouaneau"

I may need to take a break and look deeper into this woman's financial activities.

Myriad Force
12-30-2012, 08:30 PM
[DRIPPING SARCASM]
How blasphemous of you, Pharisee. Your soul will make a delightfully hateful wine in the afterlife, pressed together with a few dozen similarly fanatical essences from sects that don't think the same way you do.[/DRIPPING SARCASM]

Right, because most can't handle that I am living in the "afterlife" now.

Ready for the whirl?...

ProfHenryHiggins
12-30-2012, 08:41 PM
Right, because most can't handle that I am living in the "afterlife" now.

Ready for the whirl?...

I see that making a reference to C.S. Lewis went right over your head. You might want to look up his fiction somebody.

baylee
12-30-2012, 08:41 PM
Right, because most can't handle that I am living in the "afterlife" now.

Ready for the whirl?...

Whirl is appropriate, but it's more like swirling, swirling down the drain as in flushing the john.

EagleOne
12-31-2012, 01:44 AM
Don't you just love it when the Ponzi pimps come here to try to justify their Ponzi? I know I do.

Let's see, their defense of their Ponzi is along the lines of: we (those of us who are saying this is a Ponzi) have:

ZERO EVIDENCE of scamming, we can only weakly and pathetically try to parallel other scams to it, and would the detractors of Profitable Sunrise offer up our Empirical Evidence of scamming;

is the only defence they have this program is not a Ponzi. No proof that it isn't, just relying on we can't prove it mantra.

Let's do a little trip down memory lane for those who think that: we can't provide any "evidence of scamming, and of course the "empiracle evidence" mantra of theirs:

PIPS: The defenders of PIPS said that none of us "naysayers, trolls, negative people, etc, etc." have any evidence (empirical or otherwise) that PIPS is a Ponzi. It is only our "opinion." We naysayers/trolls said that PIPS was a Ponzi. Fact: PIPS was shut down by Bank Negara Malaysia as being an illegal online investment program/Ponzi. The founders were found guilty and served prison time.

Defenders: 0 Naysayers/Trolls: 1

Shared Profit: The defenders of Shared Profit said that none of us "naysayers, trolls, negative people, etc, etc." have any evidence (empirical or otherwise) that Shared Profit is a Ponzi. We naysayers/trolls said that Shared Profit was a Ponzi. Fact: Shared Profit was shut down by the feds. The founder was found guilty and served prison time.

Defenders: 0 Nayayers/Trolls: 2

Colonendparenthesis (CEP): The defenders of CEP said that none of us "naysayers, trolls, negative people, etc, etc" have any evidence (empirical or otherwise) that CEP is a Ponzi. We naysayers/trolls said it was a Ponzi. Fact: CEP was shut down by the feds and the founders were found guilty and are in prison.

Defenders: 0 Naysayers/Trolls: 3

12DailyPro (12DP): The defenders of 12DP said that none of us "naysayers, trolls, negative people, etc, etc" have any evidence (empirical or otherwise) that 12DP is a Ponzi. We naysayers/trolls said that 12DP was a Ponzi. Fact: 12DP was shut down by the feds stating it was a classic Ponzi.

Defenders: 0 Naysayers/Trolls: 4

PhoenixSurf: The defenders of PhoenixSurf said that none of us "naysayers, trolls, negative people, etc, etc" have any evidence (empirical or otherwise) that PhoenixSurf is a Ponzi. We naysayers/trolls said that PhoenixSurf was a Ponzi. Fact: PhoenixSurf was shut down by the feds and the founder was found guilty and is in prison.

Defenders: 0 Naysayers/Trolls: 5

Now that you get the point, here are more Ponzi's that all the defenders said none of us naysayers, trolls, etc, etc. had any evidence (empirical or otherwise) that were a Ponzi, and all of us Naysayers/Trolls said they were a Ponzi:

White Fund, Master Funds, Offshore Prime, ASD Cash Generator, Staunch Finances, Regenesis 2x2, Zeek Rewards, Pathway 2 Prosperity, GNI, GIN, PlexPay, Solid Investment, Megalido, GPP, HCI, HighStakeHoldings, ChampAmigo, GrambeSeedInternational, CherryShares, CashTanker, Royalty7, SafeInvest, and I could go on and on, but by now I think you get the picture. So just adding these I have mentioned we have a grand total of:

Defenders: 0 (zilch, nada, goose egg, nil) Naysayers/Trolls: 28

Now do you want to know what 70% of these have in common with Profitable Sunrise? They claimed to be run by "Christians."

On the MMG Forum there are what they call their: Closed, Inactive & Offline HYIPs thread. In this thread, just for HYIP's there are 1014 pages with 38 program per page that are all Ponzi's. Every one of them. That is just for one group of Ponzi's. There are 4 more threads that also have Closed, Inactive and Offline programs. Now toss in the other Ponzi Forums, and you get the picture of just how many of these "real" programs were Ponzi's.

Now if Myriad Force would like for me to do so, I'll name all the Ponzi's that were run by Pastors, Deacons, Elders and Bishops in just the last 2 years.

So let's sum this all up. The defenders always claim that none of us who claim that their program is a Ponzi has any evidence of any kind, empirical or not, that their Ponzi de Jour is in truth a Ponzi. History tells us that we have been right 100% of the time. The only thing we can't predict is when the Ponzi will either collapse (run with the money) or law enforcement will come in and shut it down; which is the only 2 ways these programs end.

So Myriad Force, keep on keeping on that your Ponzi de Jour is not a Ponzi because as you say: "We have zero evidence, or any empirical evidence of any kind" to prove our point. We will still be right when the dust settles on this Ponzi, and we will add it to our long, long, long list of programs that we said were Ponzi's.

And of course your reply will be that Profitable Sunrise is different. Yep, all the above said that too.

Myriad Force
12-31-2012, 05:24 AM
I see that making a reference to C.S. Lewis went right over your head. You might want to look up his fiction somebody.

After "Mere Chistianity" 38 years ago, everything else he wrote bored me. Never really into Fiction - Just Reality. CS was an Eternal Damnationist, I am a Universalist - those who believe in the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant (Acts3:19-26) - it is in the Bible, you might want to check it out - Damnationists hate that verse, as they do any in-depth teaching on Hades and Gehenna.

Do you believe in the "Rapture" too?

Myriad Force
12-31-2012, 05:34 AM
Don't you just love it when the Ponzi pimps come here to try to justify their Ponzi? I know I do.

Let's see, their defense of their Ponzi is along the lines of: we (those of us who are saying this is a Ponzi) have:

ZERO EVIDENCE of scamming, we can only weakly and pathetically try to parallel other scams to it, and would the detractors of Profitable Sunrise offer up our Empirical Evidence of scamming;

is the only defence they have this program is not a Ponzi. No proof that it isn't, just relying on we can't prove it mantra.

Let's do a little trip down memory lane for those who think that: we can't provide any "evidence of scamming, and of course the "empiracle evidence" mantra of theirs:

PIPS: The defenders of PIPS said that none of us "naysayers, trolls, negative people, etc, etc." have any evidence (empirical or otherwise) that PIPS is a Ponzi. It is only our "opinion." We naysayers/trolls said that PIPS was a Ponzi. Fact: PIPS was shut down by Bank Negara Malaysia as being an illegal online investment program/Ponzi. The founders were found guilty and served prison time.

Defenders: 0 Naysayers/Trolls: 1

Shared Profit: The defenders of Shared Profit said that none of us "naysayers, trolls, negative people, etc, etc." have any evidence (empirical or otherwise) that Shared Profit is a Ponzi. We naysayers/trolls said that Shared Profit was a Ponzi. Fact: Shared Profit was shut down by the feds. The founder was found guilty and served prison time.

Defenders: 0 Nayayers/Trolls: 2

Colonendparenthesis (CEP): The defenders of CEP said that none of us "naysayers, trolls, negative people, etc, etc" have any evidence (empirical or otherwise) that CEP is a Ponzi. We naysayers/trolls said it was a Ponzi. Fact: CEP was shut down by the feds and the founders were found guilty and are in prison.

Defenders: 0 Naysayers/Trolls: 3

12DailyPro (12DP): The defenders of 12DP said that none of us "naysayers, trolls, negative people, etc, etc" have any evidence (empirical or otherwise) that 12DP is a Ponzi. We naysayers/trolls said that 12DP was a Ponzi. Fact: 12DP was shut down by the feds stating it was a classic Ponzi.

Defenders: 0 Naysayers/Trolls: 4

PhoenixSurf: The defenders of PhoenixSurf said that none of us "naysayers, trolls, negative people, etc, etc" have any evidence (empirical or otherwise) that PhoenixSurf is a Ponzi. We naysayers/trolls said that PhoenixSurf was a Ponzi. Fact: PhoenixSurf was shut down by the feds and the founder was found guilty and is in prison.

Defenders: 0 Naysayers/Trolls: 5

Now that you get the point, here are more Ponzi's that all the defenders said none of us naysayers, trolls, etc, etc. had any evidence (empirical or otherwise) that were a Ponzi, and all of us Naysayers/Trolls said they were a Ponzi:

White Fund, Master Funds, Offshore Prime, ASD Cash Generator, Staunch Finances, Regenesis 2x2, Zeek Rewards, Pathway 2 Prosperity, GNI, GIN, PlexPay, Solid Investment, Megalido, GPP, HCI, HighStakeHoldings, ChampAmigo, GrambeSeedInternational, CherryShares, CashTanker, Royalty7, SafeInvest, and I could go on and on, but by now I think you get the picture. So just adding these I have mentioned we have a grand total of:

Defenders: 0 (zilch, nada, goose egg, nil) Naysayers/Trolls: 28

Now do you want to know what 70% of these have in common with Profitable Sunrise? They claimed to be run by "Christians."

On the MMG Forum there are what they call their: Closed, Inactive & Offline HYIPs thread. In this thread, just for HYIP's there are 1014 pages with 38 program per page that are all Ponzi's. Every one of them. That is just for one group of Ponzi's. There are 4 more threads that also have Closed, Inactive and Offline programs. Now toss in the other Ponzi Forums, and you get the picture of just how many of these "real" programs were Ponzi's.

Now if Myriad Force would like for me to do so, I'll name all the Ponzi's that were run by Pastors, Deacons, Elders and Bishops in just the last 2 years.

So let's sum this all up. The defenders always claim that none of us who claim that their program is a Ponzi has any evidence of any kind, empirical or not, that their Ponzi de Jour is in truth a Ponzi. History tells us that we have been right 100% of the time. The only thing we can't predict is when the Ponzi will either collapse (run with the money) or law enforcement will come in and shut it down; which is the only 2 ways these programs end.

So Myriad Force, keep on keeping on that your Ponzi de Jour is not a Ponzi because as you say: "We have zero evidence, or any empirical evidence of any kind" to prove our point. We will still be right when the dust settles on this Ponzi, and we will add it to our long, long, long list of programs that we said were Ponzi's.

And of course your reply will be that Profitable Sunrise is different. Yep, all the above said that too.


Maybe. It's possible, but not likely. I have listened to Roman, he appears genuine to me. If this was coming from a "christian" in North America, I would be more leary. Roman is Ukrainian; those folks are much less prone to inauthenticity. I can filter through the disingenuous in seconds, sometimes minutes.
I am going to place myself on the chopping block and say - PROFITABLE SUNRISE IS A REAL DEAL - THANKYOU JESUS!!!

Now, it I am wrong, I will be the first to admit it, but I must have empirical evidence that I am wrong. We must allow for anomalies, sometimes there is that diamond in the rough. I believe Profitable Sunrise is one of those diamonds. We don't have all the answers yet and am being patient with the process.
I am willing to give Roman Novak the benefit of the doubt. I came to terms with the detractors of Profitable Sunrise yesterday - those that have genuine cynicism are going to help guide me in asking questions I may not have thought of. Right now I am waiting on the answer to the "trading registration" question. I am assuming Roman Novak has all his ducks in a row, and that the answers to our questions may not be what we are looking for, but enough to get him by legally. That is fine for me.

ProfHenryHiggins
12-31-2012, 05:35 AM
After "Mere Chistianity" 38 years ago, everything else he wrote bored me. Never really into Fiction - Just Reality. CS was an Eternal Damnationist, I am a Universalist - those who believe in the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant (Acts3:19-26) - it is in the Bible, you might want to check it out - Damnationists hate that verse, as they do any in-depth teaching on Hades and Gehenna.

Do you believe in the "Rapture" too?


No.

Whether you agree with Lewis' religious views or not, he was a very talented author, and personally, I appreciate the artistry he worked with his words.

Have you read the entire Bible, or just the books viewed as "canon" by some council of priests or another in the distant past?

Myriad Force
12-31-2012, 07:37 AM
No.

Whether you agree with Lewis' religious views or not, he was a very talented author, and personally, I appreciate the artistry he worked with his words.

Have you read the entire Bible, or just the books viewed as "canon" by some council of priests or another in the distant past?

I appreciate more the way Neil Peart of Rush writes, much more sexy, that is just my humble and totally accurate opinion. Maybe you missed it previously, I have placed the first edition of my book on Amazon - The Aqua Oracle: The Definitive World View for the Third Millennium and Beyond. The band Rush has based their last few albums off the foundation of its ideology. You can check it out, look at the Table of Contents and figure out if you want to get into a discussion with me on the ideologies of the Bible.

ProfHenryHiggins
12-31-2012, 08:03 AM
Rush makes lovely music, but I'm mostly familiar with their older works. However, discussion of our respective artistic tastes is off the topic of the thread. So is the religious portion of the conversation. Shall we continue it in a fresh thread, leaving this one clean for discussion of the programme in the title, Ty?

Lil Ol' Radical Me
12-31-2012, 08:14 AM
Maybe. It's possible, but not likely. I have listened to Roman, he appears genuine to me. If this was coming from a "christian" in North America, I would be more leary. Roman is Ukrainian; those folks are much less prone to inauthenticity. I can filter through the disingenuous in seconds, sometimes minutes.
I am going to place myself on the chopping block and say - PROFITABLE SUNRISE IS A REAL DEAL - THANKYOU JESUS!!!

Now, it I am wrong, I will be the first to admit it, but I must have empirical evidence that I am wrong. We must allow for anomalies, sometimes there is that diamond in the rough. I believe Profitable Sunrise is one of those diamonds. We don't have all the answers yet and am being patient with the process.
I am willing to give Roman Novak the benefit of the doubt. I came to terms with the detractors of Profitable Sunrise yesterday - those that have genuine cynicism are going to help guide me in asking questions I may not have thought of. Right now I am waiting on the answer to the "trading registration" question. I am assuming Roman Novak has all his ducks in a row, and that the answers to our questions may not be what we are looking for, but enough to get him by legally. That is fine for me.

Do you know how many people have said that about all the founders of all the schemes that Eagle has mentioned? Andy Bowdoin of AdSurfDaily fooled a lot of professionals in the offline (real) world, as did all the others who are now in jail found guilty. Bernard Maddoff fooled professional fund managers (and the SEC for a while). It has been explained on Real Scam many times that the white collar crooks that start these schemes are very very good at what they do. They do not look nor sound like con men. If they did, the schemes they promote would be dead in the water before they started. Think about it. They are called "con men" or "confidence tricksters" because they know how to gain your confidence. They are frequently highly intelligent and able people who would do well in the honest business world but choose easy money by defrauding people, because they have no business morality and because they can

Soapboxmom
12-31-2012, 09:14 AM
Myriad Force,

Throwing religion into the deal is a sure fire sign it is a scam. Legitimate businesses are run like a business and don't need to claim they are Christ-centered or God-ordained to lure in the warm marks. You should carefully read about the scam I am referring to. Advantage Conferences sued the Dallas Better Business Bureau and lost in Summary judgment having been adjudicated to be a pyramid scheme. Idiot owner, scammer Tim Darnell, sues me for blogging about that obvious scam and once again gets trounced in Summary Judgment. Darnell then lashes out in anger with a slam site about me with my name in the url and posted as if I was posting the filth on the site. A felony investigation ensues, I sue the dirtbag and the slam site vanishes. The Advantage Conferences scam depended on recruiting pastors to sing its praises to the marks before I exposed it and forced the scam into bankruptcy. I guess we should conclude that God and Christ alike hated Tim Darnell, scammer-in-chief Jack Weinzierl and his pastor brother Jerry Weinzierl and that Satan was indeed attacking Advantage Conferences as they claimed. Hilarious!

http://www.realscam.com/f14/jerry-weinzierl-aaron-weinzierl-religious-scammers-who-threaten-consumer-advocates-lawsuits-using-google-ads-772/

scratchycat
12-31-2012, 10:06 AM
Ty Anderson
Ty Anderson is a partner at Cogent Company in Dallas, Texas. He spends his time consulting and building software using Microsoft technologies. Those who know Ty best stand in awe and amazement at 2 things: 1) His incredible good looks and 2) his cynical and sarcastic (and sometimes offensive) behavior. Ty writes frequently about Microsoft technologies including SharePoint, Office, SQL Server, etc. Look for him at any tech conference as he will be wearing his yellow Oakland Athletics hat. Say hello, and he will most likely buy you a beer.
Ty Anderson (http://www.simple-talk.com/author/ty-anderson/)


I appreciate more the way Neil Peart of Rush writes, much more sexy, that is just my humble and totally accurate opinion. Maybe you missed it previously, I have placed the first edition of my book on Amazon - The Aqua Oracle: The Definitive World View for the Third Millennium and Beyond. The band Rush has based their last few albums off the foundation of its ideology. You can check it out, look at the Table of Contents and figure out if you want to get into a discussion with me on the ideologies of the Bible.

2458

Is this "You"?

Ty Anderson | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/in/tyrandt)

Amazon.com: Ty Anderson: Books (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=la_B002VJFAFS_sr?sort=relevance&search-alias=books&field-author=Ty+Anderson)

The Aqua Oracle: The Definitive World View for The Third Millennium and Beyond: Ty Anderson: 9781594578762: Amazon.com: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Aqua-Oracle-Definitive-Millennium-Beyond/dp/1594578761/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356965748&sr=1-4)

PPBlog
12-31-2012, 10:24 AM
I guess we should conclude that God and Christ alike hated Tim Darnell, scammer-in-chief Jack Weinzierl and his pastor brother Jerry Weinzierl and that Satan was indeed attacking Advantage Conferences as they claimed.[/URL]

ASD's Andy Bowdoin claimed the Aug. 5, 2008, raid by the U.S. Secret Service and the complaints for forfeiture in rem were the work of "Satan." In doing so, he created an epic PR problem on top of his epic legal problems. He made things worse when he compared the raid to the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Some of the ASDers only made matters worse when they started calling the Secret Service "goons" and "Nazis." They called the critics "maggots" and "cockroaches."

One ASDer ventured that one of the prosecutors should be placed in a medieval torture rack and that ASDers at large should draw straws to determine who got the honor of tightening the wheel. Of course, there also was a fire-and-brimstone prayer for the prosecutors to be struck dead. Lots of people would say these were decidedly unChristian behaviors.

There is some serious pathology in play in many -- if not most -- of these HYIP schemes. I think it would be a major mistake to assume these fraud schemes are simply instances of "Christians" fleecing other Christians. It doesn't take much of an imagination to consider the possibility that nefarious individuals posing as "Christians" are deliberately targeting actual Christians and laughing about how easy it is to steal money by the tens of millions by tailoring an appeal to Christian greed. In short, some of the people who essentially are planting the seed that "Jesus wants you to be rich" may not be believers in Jesus at all.

They may be believers in bringing down Western society.

PPBlog

littleroundman
12-31-2012, 10:35 AM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/tylinkedin_zps737ff6fe.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/tyamazon_zpsafac6c34.jpg

Admittedly, Myriad Force is a HYIP ponzi shill, so, it's entirely possible he's lying about his identity as much as he's lying about Profitable Sunrise.

HOWEVER, if he is being truthful, then this is his claimed identity.

Whip
12-31-2012, 01:26 PM
Don't you just love it when the Ponzi pimps come here to try to justify their Ponzi? I know I do.

Let's see, their defense of their Ponzi is along the lines of: we (those of us who are saying this is a Ponzi) have:

ZERO EVIDENCE of scamming, we can only weakly and pathetically try to parallel other scams to it, and would the detractors of Profitable Sunrise offer up our Empirical Evidence of scamming;

is the only defence they have this program is not a Ponzi. No proof that it isn't, just relying on we can't prove it mantra.

Let's do a little trip down memory lane for those who think that: we can't provide any "evidence of scamming, and of course the "empiracle evidence" mantra of theirs:



The only problem with your analysis is that the only true trolls are the scamming criminals that come here to defend their theft. Especially when it's on 'our' turf.

Myriad Force
12-31-2012, 03:51 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/tylinkedin_zps737ff6fe.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/tyamazon_zpsafac6c34.jpg

Admittedly, Myriad Force is a HYIP ponzi shill, so, it's entirely possible he's lying about his identity as much as he's lying about Profitable Sunrise.

HOWEVER, if he is being truthful, then this is his claimed identity.

Yeah, I have not heard of the one on Linkedin. I know there is a Ty Anderson who is bank president in Dallas too.
There is even another Ty Anderson in my hometown along the St.Croix River Valley.

scratchycat
12-31-2012, 04:18 PM
Yeah, I have not heard of the one on Linkedin. I know there is a Ty Anderson who is bank president in Dallas too.
There is even another Ty Anderson in my hometown along the St.Croix River Valley.

So why did you claim it was your book? Trying to throw us off or did you slip up??

2459

ProfHenryHiggins
12-31-2012, 04:33 PM
Ty Anderson
Ty Anderson is a partner at Cogent Company in Dallas, Texas. He spends his time consulting and building software using Microsoft technologies. Those who know Ty best stand in awe and amazement at 2 things: 1) His incredible good looks and 2) his cynical and sarcastic (and sometimes offensive) behavior. Ty writes frequently about Microsoft technologies including SharePoint, Office, SQL Server, etc. Look for him at any tech conference as he will be wearing his yellow Oakland Athletics hat. Say hello, and he will most likely buy you a beer.
Ty Anderson (http://www.simple-talk.com/author/ty-anderson/)



2458

Is this "You"?

Ty Anderson | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/in/tyrandt)

Amazon.com: Ty Anderson: Books (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=la_B002VJFAFS_sr?sort=relevance&search-alias=books&field-author=Ty+Anderson)

The Aqua Oracle: The Definitive World View for The Third Millennium and Beyond: Ty Anderson: 9781594578762: Amazon.com: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Aqua-Oracle-Definitive-Millennium-Beyond/dp/1594578761/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356965748&sr=1-4)



When I looked into Ty's past, I was coming up with Washington and Wisconsin, not anything nearly so far south, scratchy.

path2prosperity
12-31-2012, 04:34 PM
Myriad Force,

Throwing religion into the deal is a sure fire sign it is a scam.

This is a fact. I have made contacts with people on the Internet who are devout Christians but these people do not try to associate Christ with any Internet programs or money making schemes which are hawked on the world wide web.

EagleOne
12-31-2012, 05:06 PM
Myriad Force/Ty:

It makes no difference what kind of reply you get from Roman because PS is not licensed and registered to offer securities anywhere. Anyone can license a business name, as previously stated, so this falls flat as any kind of proof PS is authorized to sell securities. Still it is going to be interesting to hear how he explains away why they are not licensed and registered to sell securities. My guess is he will claim it is because they are offering their plan on the Internet and the laws do not apply since they are not physically present in any one country, or some such nonsense.

I know a lot of companies that do bridge loans to businesses. Not one of them uses a payment processor to conduct business. They use real banks, with real checks, and real wire transfers. Not one of them has a profit sharing plan for unknown people on the Internet to participate in. They do, however, have one for their employees, and they don't charge their employees for the privilege of being a part of it.

This notion that Roman wants to "spread" the wealth to all those hurting is one of the biggest gimmicks on the net. He knows these are desperate times, and people will do desperate things, especially when it is couched in Christianity.

The mere fact that he is from the Ukraine is just one of the reasons why I am not buying this spiel of his, but you profess it is the reason why you do believe. Interesting isn't it. Jesus warned us to be aware of wolves in sheeps clothing. Also in the Bible it says, "Thou Shall Not Steal." It was not a "suggestion."

chopperone
12-31-2012, 05:13 PM
I have no proof either way,after typing in Inter Reef, Apple, and Google, to find "trading registrations" I found nothing. It is not a matter of avoiding anything, we are all thinking people here, digging for truth. For the sake of truth, I will contact support at Profitable Sunrise, to see what the response is. You may have not done this, or, have you? Maybe you have more insight in this area of DD, what website do you use?

I suggest you use Google maps, street level and plug in InterReef's address. If that doesn't scare you, you shouldn't be online...

chopperone
12-31-2012, 05:17 PM
Great point. I would go one further: people who have been paying attention for the last thirty or forty years, whethe online or off, run when they see something hyped as a "Christian" business. IMO, you can call a skunk a rose, but you're still not going to get me close.

smather
12-31-2012, 10:47 PM
Has anyone here done any research on something called Profitable Sunrise?

I have already warned a good friend away from it after going inside for a look. Like most of these things, it lays out a way for them to earn their incredibly high yields that is meant to sound possible.


Have you truly investigated or just doing a cursory evaluation? As far as we can tell, my close family, it is legitimate. Lets put it this way, we've put in money, waited our days, and withdrew every single penny we were promised. If its a scam, they aren't burning people yet. I tested it with $100 and got a return in 170 days of over $3,000.

You may have done your friend a disservice. I'm sure that soon the government will step in and try to regulate this or tax it but until then make some money.

smather
12-31-2012, 10:53 PM
[QUOTE=Lil Ol' Radical Me;37763]


Ultimately, the entire international economy is a big ponzi and to keep it going new companies and sectors are created, some win and some lose. At the moment, I enjoy watching the Profitable Sunrise detractors having no empirical evidence for detracting, other than comparing them to other HYIP's.

Time will tell..distance is the long-range filter.

Without a doubt this is the best quote on this thread about profitable sunrise. People the whole world is a scam get yours while you can.

BoBosworth56
12-31-2012, 10:56 PM
Looks like some more scammers here that I need to expose. It's a dirty job but someone has to do it.

littleroundman
12-31-2012, 11:57 PM
Looks like there's a lot of people asking for "empirical evidence" in HYIP ponzis these days, eh, Ty ???

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9105/48868894.gif

Profitable Sunrise thread on the CashFind HYIP ponzi forum (http://moneyinsidernews.cashfindforum.com/2012/06/11/profitable-sunrise-hyip-review/)

littleroundman
01-01-2013, 12:25 AM
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8691/myriad.gif

The DreamTeamMoney HYIP ponzi forum, Myriad Force ???

You're pushing your own scams on DreamTeamMoney forum ???

You disappoint me, Myriad,

Here I was thinking you were an ordinary, everyday troll, and you turn out to be a badly disguised HYIP ponzi pimp.

I'm shattered.

Whatever is the world coming to ???

Myriad Force
01-01-2013, 04:34 AM
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8691/myriad.gif

The DreamTeamMoney HYIP ponzi forum, Myriad Force ???

You're pushing your own scams on DreamTeamMoney forum ???

You disappoint me, Myriad,

Here I was thinking you were an ordinary, everyday troll, and you turn out to be a badly disguised HYIP ponzi pimp.

I'm shattered.

Whatever is the world coming to ???

Oh my, continued disingenuousness and mediocre narcissism by one of the homo-sapiens from the Anti-Empirical Evidence Cult. This will be a grand source of entertainment for me as we eaze on down the road of 2013.

I realize you all are up-in-arms and scratching your heads in your desperation of trying to find any dirt you can on Profitable Sunrise, and will deem them guilty by association with those that have truly ripped people off. Subsequently, in your inability to deliver the goods, you have begun the predictable process of making person attacks on me, simply because I am asking you for Empirical Evidence. I truly enjoy this type of banter, I really do, and look very much forward to more. Having said that, if or when you come up with any empirical evidence of Profitable Sunrise scamming people, please let me know ASAP. At that time, I will immediately sound the alarm.

This website is called Realscam - if you can prove to the watching world that Profitable Sunrise is a Real Scam, then please, offer up the evidence. Alternately, until that time - Poop or get off the pot.

littleroundman
01-01-2013, 04:37 AM
Uh,

yes,

whatever you say.

Myriad Force
01-01-2013, 05:14 AM
See LRM, I am more on your side than you think. The fact that I was asking people in Profitable Sunrise for empirical evidence of loans, should prove that to you. At the same time, how many financial entities are there that are going to breach confidentiality with their clients they do business with. So we may never see that, unless we know someone that applies for a loan through Profitable Sunrise.

EagleOne
01-01-2013, 05:19 AM
See LRM, I am more on your side than you think. The fact that I was asking people in Profitable Sunrise for empirical evidence of loans, should prove that to you. At the same time, how many financial entities are there that are going to breach confidentiality with their clients they do business with. So we may never see that, unless we know someone that applies for a loan through Profitable Sunrise.

Yeah, every bridge loan funder uses offshore payment processors. :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

Myriad Force
01-01-2013, 05:31 AM
Yeah, every bridge loan funder uses offshore payment processors. :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

I did a bank wire myself, and Roman adds the fee onto the corpus, sweet deal. Payment processors are for those who are depositing smaller amounts.
Were you attempting to insinuate there is some illegal activity afoot? Oh dear, is this the demise of Profitable Sunrise?

:crying_2:

ProfHenryHiggins
01-01-2013, 05:44 AM
It still looks like usury to me.

littleroundman
01-01-2013, 05:50 AM
The sad thing is, I truly believe Ty thinks he's the first smart ass HYIP ponzi shill we've seen and truly believes his snappy one liners are something new.

Never mind, all we need is a little patience and perseverance and he'll be gone the way of every HYIP ponzi shill, disappeared into the ether along with his good mate "Roman"

1.6% per DAY ????

2.0% per DAY ???

There's simply no need to look for any "empirical" anything.

Just sit back and wait for the inevitable.

Myriad Force
01-01-2013, 09:21 AM
The sad thing is, I truly believe Ty thinks he's the first smart ass HYIP ponzi shill we've seen and truly believes his snappy one liners are something new.

Never mind, all we need is a little patience and perseverance and he'll be gone the way of every HYIP ponzi shill, disappeared into the ether along with his good mate "Roman"

1.6% per DAY ????

2.0% per DAY ???

There's simply no need to look for any "empirical" anything.

Just sit back and wait for the inevitable.

Yes, be patient with the process. Exciting game to watch.

As for now, my sites are set on the Packer-Viking rematch at Lambeau on Saturday.
Go Pack!!

littleroundman
01-01-2013, 09:29 AM
While you're out there searching for your "empirical evidence" Ty, how about seeing if you can find us any evidence, empirical or otherwise, of anyone in the history of the planet who has been able to offer a 1.6% per DAY interest rate WITHOUT being a HYIP ponzi.

Myriad Force
01-01-2013, 10:10 AM
While you're out there searching for your "empirical evidence" Ty, how about seeing if you can find us any evidence, empirical or otherwise, of anyone in the history of the planet who has been able to offer a 1.6% per DAY interest rate WITHOUT being a HYIP ponzi.

I would have to be equitably remunerated, to do your homework for you. Since I am not properly motivated to do so, I will have to pass. My only two online interests are NewGNI and Profitable Sunrise. Many corporations do far more than 1.6 per day, they just don't offer it on the streets. Instead, they let you invest in their stock, and give you a scrap here and there, through their "licensed securities dealers". For example, Prime Banks with their Prime Bank Debentures, Oil Companies, and Hard Money Lenders. So far so good with Profitable Sunrise, it could be a Ponzi, but we are into our 14 month with no empirical evidence of scamming whatsoever. Many are in pure profit from now on. NewGNI is rolling along smoothly too, but they only pay
1% a day or 6% a week depending on which program you are in, so they don't fit into your criteria. Unfortunately, NewGNI is now closed to new members. Sports Arbitrage is a nice way to make money doing nothing, were you fortunate enough to sign on before the December 1, 2012 cut-off date?

PPBlog
01-01-2013, 10:48 AM
Prime Banks with their Prime Bank Debentures

"Prime banks," too, Myriad Force?

Rev. Walter Clarence Busby, one of the AdSurfDaily hucksters, was an alleged prime-bank swindler (10,000 percent) before he launched an HYIP/autosurf swindle known as Golden Panda Ad Builder, ASD's purported "Chinese" option. But the ASDers found out about Busby's SEC record and then threw him under the bus. After that, Busby tried to throw ASD under the bus.

Gotta tell you, Myriad Force, that prime-bank schemes perhaps are even more bizarre than traditional HYIP frauds. I mean, the stories are wild -- almost wild beyond imagination. There's an exceptionally famous one in Florida in which a U.S. woman who was running a prime-bank swindle found herself under arrest in Sri Lanka.

Sarasota couple jailed in Sri Lanka asks for quick return to U.S. | HeraldTribune.com (http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20091107/ARTICLE/911071045)

Any number of prime-bank swindlers currently are the subjects of court actions. Here's a story about an alleged 70-year-old prime-bank swindler who claimed to be a gospel singer and was convicted of cocaine trafficking in 1989, according to the SEC.

BULLETIN: SEC: Purported ‘Trust’ Was $15 Million Prime-Bank Ponzi Swindle Operated By Two 70-Year-Olds; 1 Of The Accused Hucksters Has Prior Conviction For Trafficking Cocaine; Investors Were Told ‘Department Of Homeland Security&#8 (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2012/11/19/bulletin-sec-purported-trust-was-15-million-prime-bank-ponzi-swindle-operated-by-two-70-year-olds-1-of-the-accused-hucksters-has-prior-conviction-for-trafficking-cocaine-investors-were-told/)

PPBlog

Whip
01-01-2013, 10:50 AM
It still looks like usury to me.

So much so that no legitimate business would even think about it.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
01-01-2013, 01:30 PM
Have you truly investigated or just doing a cursory evaluation? As far as we can tell, my close family, it is legitimate. Lets put it this way, we've put in money, waited our days, and withdrew every single penny we were promised. If its a scam, they aren't burning people yet. I tested it with $100 and got a return in 170 days of over $3,000.

You may have done your friend a disservice. I'm sure that soon the government will step in and try to regulate this or tax it but until then make some money.

But they will be when it implodes or is shut down by the authorities. If you have recruited anyone into it you will then have to explain to them why they or their downlines have lost their money - if they don't sue you first (which they are legally permitted to do)

If you and your close family believe that Profitable Sunrise is legitimate, then maybe you can explain to everyone why they are not licensed or authorized to issue loans or investments in either the USA or UK, which are two of the countries they are operating in and are legally obliged to be licensed in. (makes no difference if they are an online company and, anyway, they claim to be registered in the UK)

EagleOne
01-01-2013, 09:15 PM
I would have to be equitably remunerated, to do your homework for you. Since I am not properly motivated to do so, I will have to pass. My only two online interests are NewGNI and Profitable Sunrise. Many corporations do far more than 1.6 per day, they just don't offer it on the streets. Instead, they let you invest in their stock, and give you a scrap here and there, through their "licensed securities dealers". For example, Prime Banks with their Prime Bank Debentures, Oil Companies, and Hard Money Lenders. So far so good with Profitable Sunrise, it could be a Ponzi, but we are into our 14 month with no empirical evidence of scamming whatsoever. Many are in pure profit from now on. NewGNI is rolling along smoothly too, but they only pay
1% a day or 6% a week depending on which program you are in, so they don't fit into your criteria. Unfortunately, NewGNI is now closed to new members. Sports Arbitrage is a nice way to make money doing nothing, were you fortunate enough to sign on before the December 1, 2012 cut-off date?

So your big "legal" programs are NewGNI and PS. Seriously? :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:


So is Jurgen now claiming to be a "Christian?" At least you are consistent. Any other Ponzi's you belong to besides these two? And yes they are both Ponzi's.

oldfriend
01-01-2013, 09:24 PM
But they will be when it implodes or is shut down by the authorities. If you have recruited anyone into it you will then have to explain to them why they or their downlines have lost their money - if they don't sue you first (which they are legally permitted to do)

If you and your close family believe that Profitable Sunrise is legitimate, then maybe you can explain to everyone why they are not licensed or authorized to issue loans or investments in either the USA or UK, which are two of the countries they are operating in and are legally obliged to be licensed in. (makes no difference if they are an online company and, anyway, they claim to be registered in the UK)

Makes no diff to smather if they are legal or not.....

Did you catch this bit?



I'm sure that soon the government will step in and try to regulate this or tax it but until then make some money.


Like I said in another post, the two types of people involved in this stuff are desperate and/or deceptive.

He just stated that everyone should get while the getting's good.....

Myriad Force
01-03-2013, 01:35 AM
Team Ude in PS is getting a whopping 2.17% daily on the Private Plan rather than the lowly 2.15% daily. This is because Dr. Ude is friends with Roman Novak. According to the backoffice on Dr. Ude's PS site, they are involved in "building churches, supporting orphanages and schools, and providing free professional counseling and rehabilitation to drug addicts, youth and the homeless". For those skeptical of such claims, Dr. Ude's number and address are available on his ministry website: http://kingdomactsfoundation.org

littleroundman
01-03-2013, 02:09 AM
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa,

That's gotta be in the running for the funniest post of 2013, and, it's only January.

Goddie Ude ????

You're seriously using Goddie Ude as a reference ????

Man, have YOU got some bad luck and hard lessons coming to you this year.

Goddie-bloody-Ude,

now I really HAVE seen everything.

My goodness, what a disappointment you turned out to be, Ty.

Myriad Force
01-03-2013, 06:55 AM
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa,

That's gotta be in the running for the funniest post of 2013, and, it's only January.

Goddie Ude ????

You're seriously using Goddie Ude as a reference ????

Man, have YOU got some bad luck and hard lessons coming to you this year.

Goddie-bloody-Ude,

now I really HAVE seen everything.

My goodness, what a disappointment you turned out to be, Ty.

Hey Ding-Dong, you are only revealing your venom and bitterness - the thoughtless announcing their thoughtlessness. You don't shoot the messanger. I don't know this Dr. Ude and did not provide an opinion either way,I am simply providing another way for people to "dig through Profitable Sunrise" - is that not the title of this thread? Yes or No.

Methinks you have a personal vendetta against me for being in Profitable Sunrise and slapping you too many times against the side of the face, asking you for any empirical evidence that you might have revealing that they are a RealScam.
Now do you or don't you.

Oh, and btw, what is the dirt you have on Dr. Ude? Even though I am a member of Profitable Sunrise, in essence I am still a neutral observer looking for empirical evidence of claims on both sides.

Enlighten me..

Lil Ol' Radical Me
01-03-2013, 06:59 AM
Team Ude in PS is getting a whopping 2.17% daily on the Private Plan rather than the lowly 2.15% daily. This is because Dr. Ude is friends with Roman Novak. According to the backoffice on Dr. Ude's PS site, they are involved in "building churches, supporting orphanages and schools, and providing free professional counseling and rehabilitation to drug addicts, youth and the homeless". For those skeptical of such claims, Dr. Ude's number and address are available on his ministry website: KAF | Hope and Inspiration (http://kingdomactsfoundation.org)

Take note from LRM's post and go and ask for concrete proof of all this help Dr. Ude gives to those in need, with facts and figures and find out a little more about his own business track record. Don't you understand that anyone can say anything on the internet? It is up to people to do their homework and find out how much is true and how much is smoke and mirrors. Anyone who has had the misfortune to be on the good Doctor's mailing list will know that there are very few get-rick-quick schemes that he hasn't pimped.

littleroundman
01-03-2013, 07:45 AM
Methinks you have a personal vendetta against me for being in Profitable Sunrise and slapping you too many times against the side of the face, asking you for any empirical evidence that you might have revealing that they are a RealScam.
Now do you or don't you.

Nah, sorry,

I think you have me confused with someone who actually gives a damn.

Not only don't I have any sort of "vendetta" against you, personal or otherwise, in fact, I have no interest in "you" at all.

I simply don't care whether or not you find the type of "empirical" evidence necessary to satisfy your particular requirements.

I'm speaking "through" you, not "at" you.

Neither your opinion nor mine matters at all in this matter.

"Profitable Sunrise" is offering it's members a minimum of 1.6% a DAY ROI, an amount which is both unobtainable on a sustained basis.

If it's not "worth your time" to find any substantiation 1.6% per DAY is possible WITHOUT being a ponzi, fine, it's no skin off my nose if you do or you don't.

If it comforts you to believe you've "slapped me against the side of the face" I'm glad for you.

It didn't hurt a bit, believe me.

If you wish to worship in the "Church of Goddie Ude" go for it, and may your God be with you.

Don't believe a word anyone here on REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) says.

I will make the slightest bit of difference to anyone here.

No one stands to lose or gain a cent, whichever way you decide to go.

IOW, never has the expression "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" been more appropriate.

Personally, I'll be sorry to see you leave.

It's lots of fun coming up with absurd replies to your absurd behaviour, I'll miss you when the inevitable happens and Profitable Sunrise becomes just "another" collapsed HYIP ponzi in an increasingly growing number of collapsed HYIP ponzi frauds.

Myriad Force
01-03-2013, 03:19 PM
Nah, sorry,

I think you have me confused with someone who actually gives a damn.

Not only don't I have any sort of "vendetta" against you, personal or otherwise, in fact, I have no interest in "you" at all.

I simply don't care whether or not you find the type of "empirical" evidence necessary to satisfy your particular requirements.

I'm speaking "through" you, not "at" you.

Neither your opinion nor mine matters at all in this matter.

"Profitable Sunrise" is offering it's members a minimum of 1.6% a DAY ROI, an amount which is both unobtainable on a sustained basis.

If it's not "worth your time" to find any substantiation 1.6% per DAY is possible WITHOUT being a ponzi, fine, it's no skin off my nose if you do or you don't.

If it comforts you to believe you've "slapped me against the side of the face" I'm glad for you.

It didn't hurt a bit, believe me.

If you wish to worship in the "Church of Goddie Ude" go for it, and may your God be with you.

Don't believe a word anyone here on REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) says.

I will make the slightest bit of difference to anyone here.

No one stands to lose or gain a cent, whichever way you decide to go.

IOW, never has the expression "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" been more appropriate.

Personally, I'll be sorry to see you leave.

It's lots of fun coming up with absurd replies to your absurd behaviour, I'll miss you when the inevitable happens and Profitable Sunrise becomes just "another" collapsed HYIP ponzi in an increasingly growing number of collapsed HYIP ponzi frauds.

No one said it was going to be sustainable, they have 170 day and 240 day terms. Roman believes the 2.15% program will last two to five more years. In the interim, they consider other opportunities to invest in.

"Worshipping at the Church of Goddie Ude" - this type of knee-jerk response reveals how desperate you are.
One thing we can all agree on, this year there is going to be a shortage of Crows. One of my investments is under Nanci Jo Frazer, as of today she has 17,835 just in her downline that have invested $10,393,000.00+
If Profitable Sunrise turns out to be a scam, there will truly be alot of unhappy people. Alternately, if ProSun continues rolling smoothly down the track this year, let us know where you want all those Crows delivered.
Until then, we are in a waiting game...while our bank accounts continue to increase.

Any sign of an scamming yet?...any Empirical Evidence?...Yoo Hoo.

ProfHenryHiggins
01-03-2013, 03:26 PM
No one said it was going to be sustainable, they have 170 day and 240 day terms. Roman believes the 2.15% program will last two to five more years. In the interim, they consider other opportunities to invest in.

"Worshipping at the Church of Goddie Ude" - this type of knee-jerk response reveals how desperate you are.
One thing we can all agree on, this year there is going to be a shortage of Crows. One of my investments is under Nanci Jo Frazer, as of today she has 17,835 just in her downline that have invested $10,393,000.00+
If Profitable Sunrise turns out to be a scam, there will truly be alot of unhappy people. Alternately, if ProSun continues rolling smoothly down the track this year, let us know where you want all those Crows delivered.
Until then, we are in a waiting game...while our bank accounts continue to increase.

Any sign of an scamming yet?...any Empirical Evidence?...Yoo Hoo.


Why did the word "simony" spring to mind just now?

littleroundman
01-03-2013, 09:02 PM
So,

Myriad Force has now made it clear he believes a HYIP ponzi is not a scam if:

* It's paying

* The owner says it's not a scam.

* It has members

* Myriad Force can't find any "empirical evidence" proving to his satisfaction it's NOT a scam.

Man,

HYIP ponzi owners all over the planet must be licking their lips.

Let's review Myriad Forces' formula using a real life example, shall we ??

Zeek Rewards:

* was it paying http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/Check_Mark_clip_art_small.png

* the owner said it wasn't a scam http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/Check_Mark_clip_art_small.png

* it had members http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/Check_Mark_clip_art_small.png

* no empirical evidence existed http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/Check_Mark_clip_art_small.png

Sorry, Myriad
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busttheblock
01-03-2013, 09:09 PM
100% pure ponzi scam here.

baylee
01-03-2013, 09:30 PM
100% pure ponzi scam here.

I completely agree!

jjmiller
01-04-2013, 03:41 AM
I just wanted to put in my two cents.
The only way to debunk this, is to find out for yourself who Mr.Novak has done "business" with. Everyone claims he's done business with thousands of companies through out the world. One of those businesses should have a testimonial correct? One out of thirty thousand.. I just don't buy the whole confidentiality bs. Businesses big and small get loans all the time from banks, sometimes you hear about it, sometimes you don't. Unless someone knows for a absolute "fact" that Roman Novak has done loans in the past, then PS is a ponzi. It doesn't matter if the President of the United States is involved, and is making 2.15 or 2.17 daily. But until there's actual proof, this is a well run scam. I don't care if Nanci Jo Fraser has made a million dollars off PS, but if no one personally knows one, or has done business with Inter Reef LTD, then this is a scam.. The real question should be, does Inter Reef LTD actually provide short term loans at ridiculous rates to businesses? If anyone can find evidence, facts, personal acknowledgments, or anything along those lines, please do share. BTW "personal acknowledgement" means someone whom you personally know, and interact with on regular bases.
Here is my reasoning that Profitable Sunrise is a scam, and if Inter Reef is a "legit" business.
First Solid Trust Pay, Liberty Reserve, Perfect Money, and Ego Pay.
Roman Novak uses the same email address, and one account in each money mover.
Solid Trust Pay
Deposit funds, stp shows Romans email address showing we're you sent your money to. Make a withdrawal, hmm it's the same stp account, same email, were the funds are coming from.. It's like that in all of his money mover accounts. The last I checked that is clearly commingling funds, which is illegal in any entity. My money that is being put into PS is going to Ty"s withdrawal. Romans "interest payments" should be coming out of a whole separate account, rather it be PM,STP,LR, or Ego. So if Roman said ill only except deposits via STP, and EGO, but you can only withdrawal via PM, or LR that might be alittle more believable that he isn't commingling his funds. Nanci Fraser herself said that "Every single customer, that he has that is a borrower, is not a investor and that's the reason why Profitable Sunrise isn't a ponzi."
She continues to state that, " a ponzi is when people are making money off of the people. But the money that is being borrowed, the interest that is being paid comes from people that aren't in our community"
But according to my last statement above, it shows the money I'm putting in, is the same money someone else is taking out.
Second
Roman Novak states that he has never been involved in any type of ponzi in the past. But at the beginning of this thread, their is sufficient evidence for me to believe otherwise.
Third
Why does Roman use the God in everything that he does? I'm a small business owner, I don't use God as my sales pitch when I get new clients. Which makes him sound desperate by using the word.
Fourth
I know someone that lives about two hours away from we're Inter Reef LTD is allegedly located in Birrimngham. They made a visit to the address that's in several YouTube videos, and that's all over the net, and to my surprise she said its a postal mailbox center. No actual office for Inter Reef LTD, so she dropped off a letter in his box asking for the physical location of the Inter Reef LTD office.
Nanci Jo Fraser, listen from 5min to about 7min 30seconds, and pickup again at 11:00min till the end. Complete contradiction as to how Roman currently makes interest payments..
Proof Profitable Sunrise is Not a Ponzi Scheme - YouTube (http://youtu.be/tVDO0-yto7o)

On the up side to PS, I personally know someone who deposited 5,000 dollars in November of last year, and started withdrawling 500.00 a week consistently, and is living off of it.
I deposited 3,300 dollars in December, and made a withdrawal for 970.00 today. I will withdrawl that every month.
But this is a investment, tomorrow isn't promised. If PS is legit or not, get the money while its here. Stay away from long haul, compound for a week, withdrawl for a week, keep that pattern until you have made back your investment.
Just my two cents..
It all has to do with mon-ey
~Kevin O'Lerry

EagleOne
01-04-2013, 04:07 AM
So Myriad Force, what did Roman have to say about being Profitable Sunrise and his being registered? You did E-mail him about this didn't you?

EagleOne
01-04-2013, 04:15 AM
Myriad Force: Let's say that Profitable Sunrise is a legitimate bridge funder. So where does Profitable Sunrise get its money to do the bridge loan funding? Surely Ty you can provide us this information can't you?

EagleOne
01-04-2013, 04:38 AM
I just wanted to put in my two cents.
The only way to debunk this, is to find out for yourself who Mr.Novak has done "business" with. Everyone claims he's done business with thousands of companies through out the world. One of those businesses should have a testimonial correct? One out of thirty thousand.. I just don't buy the whole confidentiality bs. Businesses big and small get loans all the time from banks, sometimes you hear about it, sometimes you don't. Unless someone knows for a absolute "fact" that Roman Novak has done loans in the past, then PS is a ponzi. It doesn't matter if the President of the United States is involved, and is making 2.15 or 2.17 daily. But until there's actual proof, this is a well run scam. I don't care if Nanci Jo Fraser has made a million dollars off PS, but if no one personally knows one, or has done business with Inter Reef LTD, then this is a scam.. The real question should be, does Inter Reef LTD actually provide short term loans at ridiculous rates to businesses? If anyone can find evidence, facts, personal acknowledgments, or anything along those lines, please do share. BTW "personal acknowledgement" means someone whom you personally know, and interact with on regular bases.
Here is my reasoning that Profitable Sunrise is a scam, and if Inter Reef is a "legit" business.
First Solid Trust Pay, Liberty Reserve, Perfect Money, and Ego Pay.
Roman Novak uses the same email address, and one account in each money mover.
Solid Trust Pay
Deposit funds, stp shows Romans email address showing we're you sent your money to. Make a withdrawal, hmm it's the same stp account, same email, were the funds are coming from.. It's like that in all of his money mover accounts. The last I checked that is clearly commingling funds, which is illegal in any entity. My money that is being put into PS is going to Ty"s withdrawal. Romans "interest payments" should be coming out of a whole separate account, rather it be PM,STP,LR, or Ego. So if Roman said ill only except deposits via STP, and EGO, but you can only withdrawal via PM, or LR that might be alittle more believable that he isn't commingling his funds. Nanci Fraser herself said that "Every single customer, that he has that is a borrower, is not a investor and that's the reason why Profitable Sunrise isn't a ponzi."
She continues to state that, " a ponzi is when people are making money off of the people. But the money that is being borrowed, the interest that is being paid comes from people that aren't in our community"
But according to my last statement above, it shows the money I'm putting in, is the same money someone else is taking out.
Second
Roman Novak states that he has never been involved in any type of ponzi in the past. But at the beginning of this thread, their is sufficient evidence for me to believe otherwise.
Third
Why does Roman use the God in everything that he does? I'm a small business owner, I don't use God as my sales pitch when I get new clients. Which makes him sound desperate by using the word.
Fourth
I know someone that lives about two hours away from we're Inter Reef LTD is allegedly located in Birrimngham. They made a visit to the address that's in several YouTube videos, and that's all over the net, and to my surprise she said its a postal mailbox center. No actual office for Inter Reef LTD, so she dropped off a letter in his box asking for the physical location of the Inter Reef LTD office.
Nanci Jo Fraser, listen from 5min to about 7min 30seconds, and pickup again at 11:00min till the end. Complete contradiction as to how Roman currently makes interest payments..
Proof Profitable Sunrise is Not a Ponzi Scheme - YouTube (http://youtu.be/tVDO0-yto7o)

On the up side to PS, I personally know someone who deposited 5,000 dollars in November of last year, and started withdrawling 500.00 a week consistently, and is living off of it.
I deposited 3,300 dollars in December, and made a withdrawal for 970.00 today. I will withdrawl that every month.
But this is a investment, tomorrow isn't promised. If PS is legit or not, get the money while its here. Stay away from long haul, compound for a week, withdrawl for a week, keep that pattern until you have made back your investment.
Just my two cents..
It all has to do with mon-ey
~Kevin O'Lerry

So let me see if I have this straight. You know this is a Ponzi. You know that people only get paid in a Ponzi by stealing money from others so you can get yours. But you invested anyway knowing you are stealing from others just so you can get yours. No it is not an investment, it is stealing. Great character and morals there Kevin.

Myriad Force
01-04-2013, 09:50 AM
Myriad Force: Let's say that Profitable Sunrise is a legitimate bridge funder. So where does Profitable Sunrise get its money to do the bridge loan funding? Surely Ty you can provide us this information can't you?

Nanci Jo Frazer showed me her copy of the License of Profitable Sunrise to make loans on Team Viewer. Nanci has the fastest growing team in Profitable Sunrise, so Roman is more open with her concerning proprietary information of Inter Reef. We know there are five banks Inter Reef works with, but not the insurer's of the deposits. Seventy percent of the deposits are covered by collateral.

Profitable Sunrise procure's it's money to do bridge financing from we the depositors. They make loans from 2.5 to 3 daily, and we earn 1.6 to 2.7, based on the terms of the program you get in. This is the sweetest business model Onlline.

ProfHenryHiggins
01-04-2013, 10:04 AM
How can a government-issued license be "proprietary information?" That would sound like it would be a matter of public record to me, Mr. Anderson.

That would be former beauty pageant contender Nanci Jo Frazer, correct? Now of FocusUp Ministries?

Whip
01-04-2013, 10:33 AM
So Myriad Force, what did Roman have to say about being Profitable Sunrise and his being registered? You did E-mail him about this didn't you?

Are you trying to get the thread renamed "Unprofitable Dungrise" by attracting more horseshit to be posted? lol

EagleOne
01-04-2013, 04:25 PM
Are you trying to get the thread renamed "Unprofitable Dungrise" by attracting more horseshit to be posted? lol

Darn, exposed again. Rats!

Actually I was wanting Roman to lie about his registrations like he is lying about everything else regarding Profitable Sunrise.

So Myriad Force/Ty, what did Roman have to say about his license and registration, or is he ducking the question?

Myriad Force
01-04-2013, 04:31 PM
So,

Myriad Force has now made it clear he believes a HYIP ponzi is not a scam if:

* It's paying

* The owner says it's not a scam.

* It has members

* Myriad Force can't find any "empirical evidence" proving to his satisfaction it's NOT a scam.

Man,

HYIP ponzi owners all over the planet must be licking their lips.

Let's review Myriad Forces' formula using a real life example, shall we ??

Zeek Rewards:

* was it paying http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/Check_Mark_clip_art_small.png

* the owner said it wasn't a scam http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/Check_Mark_clip_art_small.png

* it had members http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/Check_Mark_clip_art_small.png

* no empirical evidence existed http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/Check_Mark_clip_art_small.png

Sorry, Myriad
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/you_fail_icon1131.jpg

Oh, look, another non-atypical, myopic, and, inexhaustive analyis, laced with a meausre of cynicism.

Myriad Force
01-04-2013, 05:00 PM
Darn, exposed again. Rats!

Actually I was wanting Roman to lie about his registrations like he is lying about everything else regarding Profitable Sunrise.

So Myriad Force/Ty, what did Roman have to say about his license and registration, or is he ducking the question?

Since the staff at PS had a couple days off for the holiday, I imagine they are a bit behind on replies, so I am still waiting. I have already found what I am looking for and more, if you read my earlier reply. I have seen a copy of the License to make loans via Team Viewer with Nanci Frazer. Because I don't like your cynical tone, I probaly won't let you in on the goods anyways, I would prefer to watch you stew in your cynicism.

You can always contact Profitable Sunrise yourself - support@profitablesunrise.com

ProfHenryHiggins
01-04-2013, 08:03 PM
Since the staff at PS had a couple days off for the holiday, I imagine they are a bit behind on replies, so I am still waiting. I have already found what I am looking for and more, if you read my earlier reply. I have seen a copy of the License to make loans via Team Viewer with Nanci Frazer. Because I don't like your cynical tone, I probaly won't let you in on the goods anyways, I would prefer to watch you stew in your cynicism.

You can always contact Profitable Sunrise yourself - support@profitablesunrise.com

Considering that much of the United States has laws setting maximum permissible loan rates (and that loans to military personnel are capped at an even lower percentage), the exorbitant and usurious rates that Profitable Sunrise is "paying" to their investors/members makes each and every one of you subject to the Securities & Exchange Commission at an individual level, from what I can decipher of the legalese. In other words, every Profitable Sunrise member in the USA has to be licensed, too. Every single one. And they have to honor the terms under which such licenses are issued.

Myriad Force
01-04-2013, 08:16 PM
Considering that much of the United States has laws setting maximum permissible loan rates (and that loans to military personnel are capped at an even lower percentage), the exorbitant and usurious rates that Profitable Sunrise is "paying" to their investors/members makes each and every one of you subject to the Securities & Exchange Commission at an individual level, from what I can decipher of the legalese. In other words, every Profitable Sunrise member in the USA has to be licensed, too. Every single one. And they have to honor the terms under which such licenses are issued.

Any empirical evidence of your claims, or are you simply searching for a way to gain a foothold. Roman Novak moved the operation out of the USA and into the UK because of the establishment booklicking SEC and the excessive red-tape of doing Hard Money loans in the USA.
There are plenty of entities willing to pay the rates that Profitable Sunrise charges, if they don't like it, they are free to go elsewhere.

Next.

EagleOne
01-04-2013, 09:04 PM
Ty, you really are a newbie at all this aren't you. So you know:

Profitable Sunrise Info: Telephone numbers for Profitable Sunrise: Fax: 407-264-6951 & Phone: 407-264-6068 are unlisted landlines and registered to Telcove Investment, LLC. in Orlando, FL. Telcove Investments, LLC nor Profitable Sunrise are licensed or registered with the SEC. Also there is no company filing in the state of Florida for either company (not that anyone is surprised with this information). Likewise, Roman Novak is not licensed or registered with FINRA.

But this is not a Ponzi. :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

ProfHenryHiggins
01-04-2013, 09:10 PM
Any empirical evidence of your claims, or are you simply searching for a way to gain a foothold. Roman Novak moved the operation out of the USA and into the UK because of the establishment booklicking SEC and the excessive red-tape of doing Hard Money loans in the USA.
There are plenty of entities willing to pay the rates that Profitable Sunrise charges, if they don't like it, they are free to go elsewhere.

Next.



No, I'm pointing out that, as a member of the community, you are bound by the rules of the community. Trying to benefit from the privileges and protections of your citizenship without abiding by the duties, responsibilities, and agreements that go with it can be very damaging in the long run.

Or in the short run. Recall how much damage a certain major league baseball team suffered in the fallout of the Madoff case? Now do I need to investigate the members of Rush to be sure that they haven't been swayed towards sovereign citizenship and scamming? I hope not, but if you keep up in this vein I may do so.

littleroundman
01-04-2013, 09:25 PM
I'm confused here, Myriad Force.

Are you now saying it's OK for an unregistered overseas based HYIP ponzi with it's website hosted within the United States to do business with U.S. citizens within the United States ???

What, are you living in some sort of parallel universe, or something ???

littleroundman
01-04-2013, 09:36 PM
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6655/profp.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2901/romnm.jpg

ProfHenryHiggins
01-04-2013, 09:44 PM
I don't see that Czech mailing address mentioned anywhere online, except for Profitable Sunrise.
Hmm. That's very, VERY peculiar, given what "Uvoz" is.

EagleOne
01-04-2013, 09:44 PM
One more thing Ty, thanks for all the information on Nanci Jo Frazer. It makes law enforcements job so much easier.

Myriad Force
01-04-2013, 10:27 PM
One more thing Ty, thanks for all the information on Nanci Jo Frazer. It makes law enforcements job so much easier.

Quite the fun jousting we shall have in 2013. The SEC is corrupt. How many licensed companies in the USA, are only licensed to steal from the masses.

You mortals must go a bit deeper. PROFITABLE SUNRISE has been making money for its members since 2009. They have been doing it online since 11-11-11.

C'mon, is that all you got.

:italian_flick:

EagleOne
01-04-2013, 10:43 PM
Hmm, let's see. PS has all the major pimps of Ponzi's on board: Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Dr. Goddie Ude, a host of pimps from ASD and Zeek fame, and this is not a Ponzi. :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

ProfHenryHiggins
01-04-2013, 10:43 PM
Quite the fun jousting we shall have in 2013. The SEC is corrupt. How many licensed companies in the USA, are only licensed to steal from the masses.

You mortals must go a bit deeper. PROFITABLE SUNRISE has been making money for its members since 2009. They have been doing it online since 11-11-11.

C'mon, is that all you got.

:italian_flick:


Making money is not the same as being honest. Carlos Ponzi "made money" for his members, and did so very well until his ruse was detected.

Does this Biblical reference ring any bells, Ty?



No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.


Paying lip service to Christ while your heart is sinking into the tar pits of Mammon is hardly being honest now, isn't it.

Myriad Force
01-04-2013, 10:50 PM
Making money is not the same as being honest. Carlos Ponzi "made money" for his members, and did so very well until his ruse was detected.

Does this Biblical reference ring any bells, Ty?



Paying lip service to Christ while your heart is sinking into the tar pits of Mammon is hardly being honest now, isn't it.

One thing you lack, empirical evidence Profitable Sunrise is a ponzi. A ponzi has no source of cash flow outside those investing. Profitable Sunrise makes money from clients paying 2.5% to 3% for Hard Money loans. The money loaned is from the investors, of which I am one, which earns me 2.7% daily, in the Long Haul plan.
Are you even awake? Are you on crack?

littleroundman
01-04-2013, 10:51 PM
Quite the fun jousting we shall have in 2013. The SEC is corrupt. How many licensed companies in the USA, are only licensed to steal from the masses.

You mortals must go a bit deeper. PROFITABLE SUNRISE has been making money for its members since 2009. They have been doing it online since 11-11-11.

C'mon, is that all you got.

Hey,

I don't think anybody here is saying get-rich-quickers and HYIP ponzi players won't join Profitable Sunrise

Some of them probably follow your tips and join under you.

SMART people, those who don't want to break any laws and newbies to the world of internet crime, on the other hand, will stay away in droves.

If ONE person saves their hard earned because of what's been said here, our (voluntary) job is done.

In the long run, it simply doesn't matter who believes what.

Profitable Sunrise, Myriad Force and all, will be yet "another" one of a squillion HYIP ponzi frauds to do the same and simply disappear.

Whatever the outcome and however long it takes, REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) will still be here and anyone who follows our advice won't have lost any money.

ProfHenryHiggins
01-04-2013, 11:03 PM
One thing you lack, empirical evidence Profitable Sunrise is a ponzi. A ponzi has no source of cash flow outside those investing. Profitable Sunrise makes money from clients paying 2.5% to 3% for Hard Money loans. The money loaned is from the investors, of which I am one, which earns me 2.7% daily, in the Long Haul plan.
Are you even awake? Are you on crack?

You're talking to a demon. And no, I'm not one of the fallen from Heaven; there are many more entities classified as "demons" than just that one incident, and we aren't one cohesive culture.
Lying to me about your greed, however, doesn't work.

When the laws cap legal loans at 36% per year, and you are willfully lending money at a rate more than 10 times that, you can be exposed to the law in both letter and in spirit. Usury is still illegal in the United States, just under a different name in the lawbooks.

EagleOne
01-04-2013, 11:03 PM
Ty: In regard to this answer about what happens to funds invested with profitable sunrise: All funds deposited with us are insured against loss and all the information related to your deposits with us is kept confidential.

Just who is insuring these funds, and what is the security that is equal to the amount of the loan plus the interest on the loan?

PPBlog
01-04-2013, 11:16 PM
Hard Money loans.

There was an AdSurfDaily knockoff known as AdPayDaily that used the same number as a "hard-money" loan business purportedly in Kansas.

From the "hard-money" pitch: “To learn how to become a Hard Money Lender and earn 30+% per annum, call [a telephone number] . . .”

AdPayDaily appears to have collapsed. In retrospect, it looked like a cross between Profitable Sunrise and Banners Broker.

PPBlog

PPBlog
01-04-2013, 11:21 PM
I'm confused here, Myriad Force.

Are you now saying it's OK for an unregistered overseas based HYIP ponzi with it's website hosted within the United States to do business with U.S. citizens within the United States ???

What, are you living in some sort of parallel universe, or something ???

These cases aren't quite on point, LRM, but the same principle applies:

URGENT >> BULLETIN >> MOVING: CFTC Files Actions In Utah, Wyoming, New York And Illinois Against Domestic AND Offshore Firms In Second Phase Of Forex Sweep; 11 Companies Accused Of Illegally Soliciting U.S. Customers (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2011/09/08/urgent-bulletin-moving-cftc-files-actions-in-utah-wyoming-new-york-and-illinois-against-domestic-and-offshore-firms-in-second-phase-of-forex-sweep-11-firms-charged-with-illegally-soliciting/)

PPBlog

ProfHenryHiggins
01-04-2013, 11:27 PM
PPBlog, you might also want to reference legal actions against payday loan companies. Especially cases in which a company operated from a more lenient state into a more restrictive one in a bid to bypass the regulations of the place of business.

littleroundman
01-04-2013, 11:33 PM
These cases aren't quite on point, LRM, but the same principle applies:

URGENT >> BULLETIN >> MOVING: CFTC Files Actions In Utah, Wyoming, New York And Illinois Against Domestic AND Offshore Firms In Second Phase Of Forex Sweep; 11 Companies Accused Of Illegally Soliciting U.S. Customers (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2011/09/08/urgent-bulletin-moving-cftc-files-actions-in-utah-wyoming-new-york-and-illinois-against-domestic-and-offshore-firms-in-second-phase-of-forex-sweep-11-firms-charged-with-illegally-soliciting/)

PPBlog

As I'm sure you realize, Patrick it's the "principle" which counts here.

The fact is, the laws are in place. Nothing to do with Profitable Sunrise or REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com)

One only has to consider the fate of overseas based online gambling site owners who chose to ignore the intent of the U.S. governments' laws to realize Myriad Forces' parallel universe is in force here.

It may make no difference to Myriad Forces' fellow HYIP ponzi players, they'll probably send more money BECAUSE it's illegal.

To newbies and first timers, it should be yet another reason to keep their money in their back pocket.

PPBlog
01-04-2013, 11:47 PM
PPBlog, you might also want to reference legal actions against payday loan companies. Especially cases in which a company operated from a more lenient state into a more restrictive one in a bid to bypass the regulations of the place of business.

Here you go, Professor. See top:

3 PONZI/FRAUD CAPSULES: (1) Washington State Woman Jailed In Alleged $126 Million Ponzi Scheme; (2) Charity, Church, Investors In Metro Washington, D.C., Allegedly Scammed In $27M Ponzi; (3) South Florida Man Sentenced To More Than 12 Years In $29.5M (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2011/11/20/3-ponzifraud-capsules-1-washington-state-woman-jailed-in-alleged-126-million-ponzi-scheme-2-charity-church-investors-in-metro-washington-d-c-allegedly-scammed-in-27m-ponzi-3-south-flo/)

PPBlog

EagleOne
01-05-2013, 01:14 AM
PPBlog: Glad you could share this with anyone reading this thread to find out if PS is real or not. The only problem is that there is no way Myriad Force will bother to read it. He can't because he would know PS is a Ponzi. He will just say this doesn't apply to PS and is not "empirical evidence" that PS is a Ponzi. :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

littleroundman
01-05-2013, 01:36 AM
HeHe, thinking about Myriad Forces' constant droning of his "show me empirical evidence" mantra, makes me wonder if he requires "empirical evidence" from the weather forecaster before he'll believe it's going to rain / snow / hail / blow or "empirical evidence" the sun is going to be there tomorrow.

Actually, we could have a lot of fun with his "empirical evidence" demands.

I wonder if he has to have "empirical evidence" his chair isn't going to collapse before he sits down.

Does the shop owner have to provide "empirical evidence" it's in fact Coca Cola in that can before he'll put it to his lips ??

"Hey, mum, show me some "empirical evidence" that's steak and not liver you put on my plate"

Myriad Force
01-05-2013, 04:47 AM
This is all making me hungry for some Milk & Oreos.

I have stated earlier, I've seen the Inter Reef Loan License via Team Viewer, this is all the Empirical Evidence I need, along with the Exponential Expansion of my bank account.


You guys like RUSH? - here is what I am currently listening to, check out the Alex Lifeson lead beginning at 3:57. Some of you might debate if the lead actually begins at 3:57, you must have very Subtle Sensitivities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcOht70b9L4

There ya be, two new alliterations to throw into the mix.

Anyone having any real questions or concerns of Profitable Sunrise, feel free to contact me personally:
Ty Anderson
1834 River Ridge Road
Hudson, Wisconsin
54016
Ph:715-386-9750

ProfHenryHiggins
01-05-2013, 04:49 AM
I like Rush's music, true (surprised that a demon can appreciate beauty?).

But artist-affiliation or not, you aren't grasping several of the other points being made here.

One being that, whether PS is a ponzi or not, it is still violating laws unrelated to ponzis.

Myriad Force
01-05-2013, 06:26 AM
I like Rush's music, true (surprised that a demon can appreciate beauty?).

But artist-affiliation or not, you aren't grasping several of the other points being made here.

One being that, whether PS is a ponzi or not, it is still violating laws unrelated to ponzis.

Feel free to eludicate with specificity, which laws are being broken.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
01-05-2013, 06:52 AM
This is all making me hungry for some Milk & Oreos.

I have stated earlier, I've seen the Inter Reef Loan License via Team Viewer, this is all the Empirical Evidence I need, along with the Exponential Expansion of my bank account.


You guys like RUSH? - here is what I am currently listening to, check out the Alex Lifeson lead beginning at 3:57. Some of you might debate if the lead actually begins at 3:57, you must have very Subtle Sensitivities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcOht70b9L4

There ya be, two new alliterations to throw into the mix.

Anyone having any real questions or concerns of Profitable Sunrise, feel free to contact me personally:
Ty Anderson
1834 River Ridge Road
Hudson, Wisconsin
54016
Ph:715-386-9750

What have you seen? A piece of paper on an internet viewer. Licenses have numbers and references and an issuing body. So, as there is no record of a licence for Inter Reef Ltd to loan money or peddle investments, in either the UK or US, you are being very naive. Registrations and licenses are a matter of PUBLIC RECORD, not proprietary information.

If you wish to recover any credibility with the many readers of RS from all parts of the world, then I suggest you go back to your friend Nancy and ask for a screen shot of the so called license which can be verified with the relevant authorities.

Shouldn't be a problem, eh?

Lil Ol' Radical Me
01-05-2013, 06:54 AM
Feel free to eludicate with specificity, which laws are being broken.

You've been told already - making loans and offering investments without the necessary licenses to do so, in both the UK and USA. They are not licensed with the FSA nor FINRA which is a legal requisite to do either.

ProfHenryHiggins
01-05-2013, 07:13 AM
Feel free to eludicate with specificity, which laws are being broken.

As a start, look over the State of Wisconsin's requirements for lender licensing.
Wisconsin Legislature: Chapter 138 (http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/138)

EagleOne
01-05-2013, 07:37 AM
As a start, look over the State of Wisconsin's requirements for lender licensing.
Wisconsin Legislature: Chapter 138 (http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/138)

Tsk, tsk, there you go confusing Myriad Force with "empirical facts." I mean his "empirical facts" consist of a screenshot he saw of a piece of paper he believes to be true, but has no knowledge if it is true or not. I can make up a piece of paper to make it say whatever I want and Myriad Force would believe it if I told him he would make a squillion dollars because of it.

But real "empirical evidence?" Nah he won't buy it. Some how in some magical way the law will not apply to PS. :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

Lil Ol' Radical Me
01-05-2013, 08:01 AM
Oh dear, you mean total lack of recorded licensing and registration required doesnt count as empirical? Oh well, back to the dictionary to see if I can find the new definition of empirical fact


Empirical Fact (as per Myriad Force)

It's true because my upline told me on the internet and I don't want it disproved as i am being paid

Myriad Force
01-05-2013, 08:05 AM
[QUOTE=EagleOne;39878][B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Tsk, tsk, there you go confusing Myriad Force with "empirical facts." I mean his "empirical facts" consist of a screenshot he saw of a piece of paper he believes to be true, but has no knowledge if it is true or not. I can make up a piece of paper to make it say whatever I want and Myriad Force would believe it if I told him he would make a squillion dollars because of it.

Yes indeed. Thank God Roman Novak moved the operation to the UK from the United States with its corrupt encumbrances and red-tape. We the citizens of the planet have the right (not priviledge) to invest our money the way we choose. No one is forcing any company to pay high rates to obtain Hard Money loans. It is all supply and demand. As the economy worsens and banks tighten up on loans, Profitable Sunrise will continue to boom, and so will our bank accounts.

Again, if you have any empirical evidence of Profitable Sunrise breaking any laws, please elaborate in detail. Posting websites that lay-out rules, does not prove anything.

Are we breaking the law if we refuse to pay Federal Taxes in the United States? The 16th amendment is unconstitutional. As soon as we fill out any Federal Tax forms, we give up our fifth amendment right to not prosecute ourselves. Any "laws" of man are in question, espeically if they are not inline with the United States Constitution - The Supreme Law of the Land.

I for one will not be paying any taxes on my earnings from PS. I will have an off-shore account, and only bring in 9k at a time into each of my accounts in the states.

Ka-ching.

Myriad Force
01-05-2013, 08:14 AM
Tsk, tsk, there you go confusing Myriad Force with "empirical facts." I mean his "empirical facts" consist of a screenshot he saw of a piece of paper he believes to be true, but has no knowledge if it is true or not. I can make up a piece of paper to make it say whatever I want and Myriad Force would believe it if I told him he would make a squillion dollars because of it.

But real "empirical evidence?" Nah he won't buy it. Some how in some magical way the law will not apply to PS. :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

Yes indeed. Thank God Roman Novak moved the operation to the UK from the United States with its corrupt encumbrances and red-tape. We the citizens of the planet have the right (not priviledge) to invest our money the way we choose. No one is forcing any company to pay high rates to obtain Hard Money loans. It is all supply and demand. As the economy worsens and banks tighten up on loans, Profitable Sunrise will continue to boom, and so will our bank accounts.

Again, if you have any empirical evidence of Profitable Sunrise breaking any laws, please elaborate in detail. Posting websites that lay-out rules, does not prove anything.

Are we breaking the law if we refuse to pay Federal Taxes in the United States? The 16th amendment is unconstitutional. As soon as we fill out any Federal Tax forms, we give up our fifth amendment right to not prosecute ourselves. Any "laws" of man are in question, especially if they are not inline with the United States Constitution - The Supreme Law of the Land.

I for one will not be paying any taxes on my earnings from PS. I will have an off-shore account, and only bring in 9k at a time into each of my accounts in the states.

Ka-ching.

ProfHenryHiggins
01-05-2013, 08:25 AM
[QUOTE=EagleOne;39878][B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Tsk, tsk, there you go confusing Myriad Force with "empirical facts." I mean his "empirical facts" consist of a screenshot he saw of a piece of paper he believes to be true, but has no knowledge if it is true or not. I can make up a piece of paper to make it say whatever I want and Myriad Force would believe it if I told him he would make a squillion dollars because of it.

Yes indeed. Thank God Roman Novak moved the operation to the UK from the United States with its corrupt encumbrances and red-tape. We the citizens of the planet have the right (not priviledge) to invest our money the way we choose. No one is forcing any company to pay high rates to obtain Hard Money loans. It is all supply and demand. As the economy worsens and banks tighten up on loans, Profitable Sunrise will continue to boom, and so will our bank accounts.

Again, if you have any empirical evidence of Profitable Sunrise breaking any laws, please elaborate in detail. Posting websites that lay-out rules, does not prove anything.

Are we breaking the law if we refuse to pay Federal Taxes in the United States? The 16th amendment is unconstitutional. As soon as we fill out any Federal Tax forms, we give up our fifth amendment right to not prosecute ourselves. Any "laws" of man are in question, espeically if they are Unconstitutional - The Supreme Law of the Land.


Ka-ching.


The UK has Gambling Act 2005.

And that 16th Amendment argument failed so many times that it is listed among tax protester myths by many authorities.
Time for this demon to be a "mean widdle kid" and drop something very nasty on your karma.

Perhaps my old favorite, IRS Form 3949-A. Perhaps reporting you to the Wisconsin authorities as being in personal violation of the Wisconsin Uniform Securities Act. Perhaps pointing you out to the NSA as being a "sovereign citizen" and thus viewed as a domestic terrorist by FBI definitions.

Or perhaps I'll just hire something incomprehensible to have a go at you from Malkunofat's realm. You seem to be too convinced of your own positive nature to be able to admit perception of a non-physical qlippothic entity to yourself, so you shouldn't 't be able to understand or counter one entering your life.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
01-05-2013, 08:26 AM
Ok Myriad Force. Inter Reef is registered as a limited liability company with zero share capital in the UK. According to the records, it has no subsidiary companies.

Profitable Sunrise promoters refer to Inter Reef as their parent company. Where is the empirical evidence that this is true? What has one business to do with the other? Please explain because "my upline told me" doesnt count. The only empirical evidence that provides is that you believe everything you are told by those you choose to believe. (But you've already said that)

Myriad Force
01-05-2013, 09:26 AM
[QUOTE=Myriad Force;39881]


The UK has Gambling Act 2005.

And that 16th Amendment argument failed so many times that it is listed among tax protester myths by many authorities.
Time for this demon to be a "mean widdle kid" and drop something very nasty on your karma.

Perhaps my old favorite, IRS Form 3949-A. Perhaps reporting you to the Wisconsin authorities as being in personal violation of the Wisconsin Uniform Securities Act. Perhaps pointing you out to the NSA as being a "sovereign citizen" and thus viewed as a domestic terrorist by FBI definitions.

Or perhaps I'll just hire something incomprehensible to have a go at you from Malkunofat's realm. You seem to be too convinced of your own positive nature to be able to admit perception of a non-physical qlippothic entity to yourself, so you shouldn't 't be able to understand or counter one entering your life.

If you know the right attorney's, they have won many a litigation against the IRS. Trusting the "authorities" is like trusting the fox guarding the hen-house.

Your vacuous and laughable bravado of reporting me to the "authorities" in my home state, might hold water if I was offering securities in Wisconsin.

With each new post, you unveil more of your thoughtlessness...and bitterness.

That Entertainment.

ProfHenryHiggins
01-05-2013, 09:41 AM
[QUOTE=ProfHenryHiggins;39883]

If you know the right attorney's, they have won many a litigation against the IRS. Trusting the "authorities" is like trusting the fox guarding the hen-house.

Your vacuous and laughable bravado of reporting me to the "authorities" in my home state, might hold water if I was offering securities in Wisconsin.

With each new post, you unveil more of your thoughtlessness...and bitterness.

That Entertainment.


Let me guess, you never bothered to check the facts behind the claimed attorneys? Luis Ewing, Pete Hendrickson, Ed & Elaine Brown are names that come to mind from your description.

Let me point a few gruesome facts out to you, Ty.
Quatloos! • View forum - Tax Protestors, Pure Trusts, and Other Stupid De-Tax Schemes & Scams (http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewforum.php?f=8)
Quatloos! • View forum - Sovereign Citizen and Redemption Scams (http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewforum.php?f=37)

Those are forums that focus on discussion of people who use arguments like the ones you are. Take a look at how many failures are out there.

Perhaps I should just point you out to Janell Westerham, but I'm not sure that you're still driving a taxicab in her employ.

EagleOne
01-05-2013, 09:48 AM
Myriad Force:

I think it is time for a little history lesson for you. Unlike you, most of us posting here have been exposing Ponzi's for a decade or longer. Okosh, littleroundman, GlimDropper, and others have been exposing Ponzi's/Scams around 15 years, and I am going on 9+ years. So we do know what we are talking about and we do know a Ponzi when we see it. For the last 4+ years Eagle has been working with federal law enforcement agencies worldwide assisting them with their investigations to put these criminals behind bars where they belong.

I am sure you think you are the first one to come on this forum, or any forum for that manner, and put us in our place. You know the mantra: we have to prove it is a Ponzi, anything we say is just our opinion and not based in fact, innocent until proven guilty, need empirical evidence, Social Security is a Ponzi, all government agencies are Ponzi's, and of course now your claim that the 16th amendment is not valid and you believe the myth that being offshore means the "evil" US authorities can't touch PS. I wouldn't be patting myself on the back just yet.

I hate to be the one breaking this news to you, but being offshore doesn't mean diddly squat. If a program is offered to just one US Citizen, the US authorities do have jurisdiction. And just like in the past, if they do decide to take down PS, they will.

I know this will come as a shock to you, but we don't have to prove anything. PS is the one who has to prove it is operating legally, and they haven't. If they were, you would see Inter Reef's Loan License on the PS website. It isn't there. You would also see their license and registrations numbers. They aren't there. There is no address on their website, there are no cv's of any of the major principals supposedly who run PS. In fact they contradict themselves on their website, and I'm sure you have caught that since you have done such extensive due diligence as to their validity. Wait, I forgot. All you've got is what you think you saw was a real loan license. (hint: it's not)

I'm just waiting to hear from you that Roman is going to have his lawyers suing all of us for defaming PS and taking the Lord's name in vain. I'm sure that's the next mantra we will hear. Yep, heard that one before too. Only problem is that as just as much as we want them to sue us, they never do. Hmmm, wonder why?

You are doing more to ruin the reputation of PS than anything we can say. We thank you for it. It is why we want you to keep posting. You are making our case for us to everyone who is reading this thread just how much PS is a Ponzi.

We couldn't have done it without you. Thanks, and also for your personal information.

Myriad Force
01-05-2013, 09:52 AM
[QUOTE=Myriad Force;39888]


Let me guess, you never bothered to check the facts behind the claimed attorneys? Luis Ewing, Pete Hendrickson, Ed & Elaine Brown are names that come to mind from your description.

Let me point a few gruesome facts out to you, Ty.
Quatloos! • View forum - Tax Protestors, Pure Trusts, and Other Stupid De-Tax Schemes & Scams (http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewforum.php?f=8)
Quatloos! • View forum - Sovereign Citizen and Redemption Scams (http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewforum.php?f=37)

Those are forums that focus on discussion of people who use arguments like the ones you are. Take a look at how many failures are out there.

Perhaps I should just point you out to Janell Westerham, but I'm not sure that you're still driving a taxicab in her employ.

This is getting richer by the moment. Yes, please contact Limo One (the company I ran for Janell in 09), I'm mildly curious where Janell is these days.

I love how desperate you are, you can't find any dirt on Profitable Sunrise, so instead, you have to come after me for questioning your ineptitude.

How do you like your Crow - well done?

ProfHenryHiggins
01-05-2013, 10:04 AM
[QUOTE=ProfHenryHiggins;39892]

This is getting richer by the moment. Yes, please contact Limo One (the company I ran for Janell in 09), I'm mildly curious where Janell is these days.

I love how desperate you are, you can't find any dirt on Profitable Sunrise, so instead, you have to come after me for questioning your ineptitude.

How do you like your Crow - well done?

Can't find any dirt on PS?
Ty, I haven't even been trying to find any. I'm going after the individual members to name & shame them, starting with your loud-mouthed, anything-but-Christian self. The fact that this programme of yours is violating law after law after law has been painfully obvious to anyone with a little knowledge of history.

EagleOne
01-05-2013, 10:18 AM
[QUOTE=EagleOne;39878][B]Tsk, tsk, there you go confusing Myriad Force with "empirical facts." I mean his "empirical facts" consist of a screenshot he saw of a piece of paper he believes to be true, but has no knowledge if it is true or not. I can make up a piece of paper to make it say whatever I want and Myriad Force would believe it if I told him he would make a squillion dollars because of it.

Yes indeed. Thank God Roman Novak moved the operation to the UK from the United States with its corrupt encumbrances and red-tape. We the citizens of the planet have the right (not priviledge) to invest our money the way we choose. No one is forcing any company to pay high rates to obtain Hard Money loans. It is all supply and demand. As the economy worsens and banks tighten up on loans, Profitable Sunrise will continue to boom, and so will our bank accounts.

Again, if you have any empirical evidence of Profitable Sunrise breaking any laws, please elaborate in detail. Posting websites that lay-out rules, does not prove anything.

Are we breaking the law if we refuse to pay Federal Taxes in the United States? The 16th amendment is unconstitutional. As soon as we fill out any Federal Tax forms, we give up our fifth amendment right to not prosecute ourselves. Any "laws" of man are in question, espeically if they are not inline with the United States Constitution - The Supreme Law of the Land.

I for one will not be paying any taxes on my earnings from PS. I will have an off-shore account, and only bring in 9k at a time into each of my accounts in the states.

Ka-ching.

[COLOR="#0000CD"]If it is so terrible living here, as you say, why do you still live here? I think you would want to move to your offshore tax haven and live the good life.

Rumsfield
01-05-2013, 12:02 PM
There is no question that Profitable Sunrise is a scam. They claim this is, "An investment with a certain rate of return and no chance of default. The interest rate paid under the Long Haul is 2.7% per business day." A company or individual with short-term cash needs either uses commercial paper, bankers’ acceptance, personal loan, home equity loan, 401(k) loan, margin loan, etc. The source of funds is based upon the amount needed, the size of the corporation, collateral, credit score or rating, etc. For comparisons purposes, commercial paper is yielding an annualized rate of 0.12% and short-term home equity loans have an annualized rate of 1.99%. Profitable Sonrise promises 2.70% PER DAY that is equivalent to over 100,000% per year, assuming 5 business days a week over 52 weeks. They are an HYIP, unregistered security, a ponzi, and pyramid scheme. I strongly urge everyone to file a complaint with the SEC and BBB because that is what worked to bring down Zeek Rewards. I am a Board Certified Financial Planner, have a Masters in Financial Services, and passed the required exams with the SEC to practice as an advisor. My strong warning is that Profitable Sunrise is a scam, it is only a matter of time.

To File a Complaint with the SEC - To Provide Us Information About Fraud or Wrongdoing Involving Potential Violations of the Securities Laws (http://www.sec.gov/complaint/tipscomplaint.shtml)

To File a Complaint with the BBB - https://www.bbb.org/file-a-complaint/

Definitions
Commercial paper (CP) consists of short-term, promissory notes issued primarily by corporations. Maturities range up to 270 days but average about 30 days. Many companies use CP to raise cash needed for current transactions, and many find it to be a lower-cost alternative to bank loans. Current 1-month rates 1-Month AA Financial Commercial Paper Rate (DCPF1M) - FRED - St. Louis Fed (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/DCPF1M)

A bankers’ acceptance is created when a time draft drawn on a bank, usually to finance the shipment or temporary storage of goods, is stamped “accepted” by
the bank. By accepting the draft, the bank makes an unconditional promise to pay the holder of the draft a stated amount at a specified date.

SEC filing regarding Zeek Rewards - SEC Shuts Down $600 Million Online Pyramid and Ponzi Scheme (http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2012/2012-160.htm)

High Yield Investment Program - The Internet is awash in so-called “high-yield investment programs” or “HYIPs.” These are unregistered investments typically run by unlicensed individuals – and they are often frauds. The hallmark of an HYIP scam is the promise of incredible returns at little or no risk to the investor. A HYIP website might promise annual (or even monthly, weekly, or daily!) returns of 30 or 40 percent – or more. Some of these scams may use the term “prime bank” program. If you are approached online to invest in one of these, you should exercise extreme caution - it is likely a fraud.

Promissory Notes - Promissory notes are a form of debt that companies sometimes use to raise money. They typically involve investors loaning money to a company in exchange for a fixed amount of periodic income. Although promissory notes can be appropriate investments for many individuals, some fraudsters use promissory notes to defraud investors, especially the elderly.

Pyramid Scheme - In the classic "pyramid" scheme, participants attempt to make money solely by recruiting new participants. The hallmark of these schemes is the promise of sky-high returns in a short period of time. Pyramid scheme promoters may go to great lengths to make the program look like a multi-level marketing program selling legitimate products or services. But these fraudsters use money from new recruits to pay off early stage investors until eventually, the pyramid collapses. At some point, the schemes get too big, the promoter cannot raise enough money from new investors to pay earlier investors, and people lose their money.

Ponzi Red Flags
High returns with little or no risk. Every investment carries some degree of risk, and investments yielding higher returns typically involve more risk. Be highly suspicious of any “guaranteed” investment opportunity.

Overly consistent returns. Investments tend to go up and down over time. Be skeptical about an investment that regularly generates positive returns regardless of overall market conditions.

Unregistered investments. Ponzi schemes typically involve investments that are not registered with the SEC or with state regulators. Registration is important because it provides investors with access to information about the company’s management, products, services, and finances.

Unlicensed sellers. Federal and state securities laws require investment professionals and firms to be licensed or registered. Most Ponzi schemes involve unlicensed individuals or unregistered firms.

littleroundman
01-05-2013, 12:09 PM
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Nanci Jo Frazer @nancifrazer on Twitter (https://twitter.com/nancifrazer)

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NanciJoFrazer.com Focus Up Ministries (http://focusupministries.intuitwebsites.com/index.html)

Myriad Force
01-05-2013, 02:11 PM
Myriad Force:

I think it is time for a little history lesson for you. Unlike you, most of us posting here have been exposing Ponzi's for a decade or longer. Okosh, littleroundman, GlimDropper, and others have been exposing Ponzi's/Scams around 15 years, and I am going on 9+ years. So we do know what we are talking about and we do know a Ponzi when we see it. For the last 4+ years Eagle has been working with federal law enforcement agencies worldwide assisting them with their investigations to put these criminals behind bars where they belong.

I am sure you think you are the first one to come on this forum, or any forum for that manner, and put us in our place. You know the mantra: we have to prove it is a Ponzi, anything we say is just our opinion and not based in fact, innocent until proven guilty, need empirical evidence, Social Security is a Ponzi, all government agencies are Ponzi's, and of course now your claim that the 16th amendment is not valid and you believe the myth that being offshore means the "evil" US authorities can't touch PS. I wouldn't be patting myself on the back just yet.

I hate to be the one breaking this news to you, but being offshore doesn't mean diddly squat. If a program is offered to just one US Citizen, the US authorities do have jurisdiction. And just like in the past, if they do decide to take down PS, they will.

I know this will come as a shock to you, but we don't have to prove anything. PS is the one who has to prove it is operating legally, and they haven't. If they were, you would see Inter Reef's Loan License on the PS website. It isn't there. You would also see their license and registrations numbers. They aren't there. There is no address on their website, there are no cv's of any of the major principals supposedly who run PS. In fact they contradict themselves on their website, and I'm sure you have caught that since you have done such extensive due diligence as to their validity. Wait, I forgot. All you've got is what you think you saw was a real loan license. (hint: it's not)

I'm just waiting to hear from you that Roman is going to have his lawyers suing all of us for defaming PS and taking the Lord's name in vain. I'm sure that's the next mantra we will hear. Yep, heard that one before too. Only problem is that as just as much as we want them to sue us, they never do. Hmmm, wonder why?

You are doing more to ruin the reputation of PS than anything we can say. We thank you for it. It is why we want you to keep posting. You are making our case for us to everyone who is reading this thread just how much PS is a Ponzi.

We couldn't have done it without you. Thanks, and also for your personal information.

This post was the most authentic post I have seen on this thread. I believe you're sincere, however, you have stated nothing that convinces me either way. I do applaud your alleged work at exposing scam artists. If you can give me some substance on PS, I will listen. However, you have only provided extrapolations and threats.

EagleOne
01-05-2013, 05:40 PM
This post was the most authentic post I have seen on this thread. I believe you're sincere, however, you have stated nothing that convinces me either way. I do applaud your alleged work at exposing scam artists. If you can give me some substance on PS, I will listen. However, you have only provided extrapolations and threats.

Thank you for your kind words, but threats? Where were you threatended with what I wrote? All you have to do is read Rumsfield's post as many times as you need to understand this is a Ponzi.

But if for some strange reason that still has not convinced you, then try this to see if it explains why this is a Ponzi:

When a bridge lender makes a loan, it is backed up with assets that are debt-free. If profitable sunrise really is doing bridge funding, and the note and interest is secured with assets, they must be debt-free. You cannot loan against an asset that already has debt because you as the lender would be second lien on the note. Simply put this means that if the borrower defaults, the party that holds the first lien position gets the asset, not PS. No bridge lender would ever be the second on any asset. It is how they protect themselves in case of default.

But even that does not protect the bridge lender 100%. Once the bridge lender has the asset, they must then turn around and sell it. If they don't sell it for enough money to cover the cost of their outstanding loan (they never lend at 100% of the asset), they lose that portion of the money lended.

PS says that investment funds are insured. They say funds are insured by a leading investment bank, which one? It certainly is not Inter Reef. Nowhere on their website do they show such insurance exists. If you open a trading account, it is insured through SPIC, while banks are insured through the FDIC. Every bank and trading firm proudly displays this seal so their customers know they are protected.

PS also says that they provide interim loans to companies for the term of 6 days to 24 months. No company would need only a 6 day loan. If they did, they could get that quickly on their line of credit, or use a debt-free asset as collateral with the bank they do business with at a "real" interest rate not usury++++++++. Besides it would take longer than 6 days to fill out the application, get it approved and money in their hands. Companies don't wait until crunch time to seek out a 6 day loan, and especially not at the interest rates PS claims they charge; especially if they have collateral (debt-free assets) that could be used as collateral.

But since you may not have caught where they contradicted themselves, I thought I would point it out to you and it is right on the Home page for all to see, and I quote:

"All our loan operations are insured and each one has a security which is equal to the amount of loan plus the interest on the loan. We use the funds invested by our members. So all your investments are insured by default.

Unfortunately, we cannot help every company as we have to make sure that we do not put our investors' money at excessive risk. In addition to that, our investments are insured by a leading investment bank."

At the interest rates they charge every loan they "claim" to make is excessive risk. A company doing business with PS would never get out of debt if they did obtain a loan from PS. It would bankrupt them. All the loans would default. So much for not taking on excessive risk. But I doubt if you still didn't catch the contradiction. Kudos if you did.

Now would you like for me to dismantle every statement PS has on their website with reality not fiction as they have written it? You might want to tell Roman that when he is referring to God, it is He, not he. Of course any real Christian would know that, Eastern European or not. As they say, the devil is in the details.

EagleOne
01-05-2013, 05:49 PM
There is no question that Profitable Sunrise is a scam. They claim this is, "An investment with a certain rate of return and no chance of default. The interest rate paid under the Long Haul is 2.7% per business day." A company or individual with short-term cash needs either uses commercial paper, bankers’ acceptance, personal loan, home equity loan, 401(k) loan, margin loan, etc. The source of funds is based upon the amount needed, the size of the corporation, collateral, credit score or rating, etc. For comparisons purposes, commercial paper is yielding an annualized rate of 0.12% and short-term home equity loans have an annualized rate of 1.99%. Profitable Sonrise promises 2.70% PER DAY that is equivalent to over 100,000% per year, assuming 5 business days a week over 52 weeks. They are an HYIP, unregistered security, a ponzi, and pyramid scheme. I strongly urge everyone to file a complaint with the SEC and BBB because that is what worked to bring down Zeek Rewards. I am a Board Certified Financial Planner, have a Masters in Financial Services, and passed the required exams with the SEC to practice as an advisor. My strong warning is that Profitable Sunrise is a scam, it is only a matter of time.

To File a Complaint with the SEC - To Provide Us Information About Fraud or Wrongdoing Involving Potential Violations of the Securities Laws (http://www.sec.gov/complaint/tipscomplaint.shtml)

To File a Complaint with the BBB - https://www.bbb.org/file-a-complaint/

Definitions
Commercial paper (CP) consists of short-term, promissory notes issued primarily by corporations. Maturities range up to 270 days but average about 30 days. Many companies use CP to raise cash needed for current transactions, and many find it to be a lower-cost alternative to bank loans. Current 1-month rates 1-Month AA Financial Commercial Paper Rate (DCPF1M) - FRED - St. Louis Fed (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/DCPF1M)

A bankers’ acceptance is created when a time draft drawn on a bank, usually to finance the shipment or temporary storage of goods, is stamped “accepted” by
the bank. By accepting the draft, the bank makes an unconditional promise to pay the holder of the draft a stated amount at a specified date.

SEC filing regarding Zeek Rewards - SEC Shuts Down $600 Million Online Pyramid and Ponzi Scheme (http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2012/2012-160.htm)

High Yield Investment Program - The Internet is awash in so-called “high-yield investment programs” or “HYIPs.” These are unregistered investments typically run by unlicensed individuals – and they are often frauds. The hallmark of an HYIP scam is the promise of incredible returns at little or no risk to the investor. A HYIP website might promise annual (or even monthly, weekly, or daily!) returns of 30 or 40 percent – or more. Some of these scams may use the term “prime bank” program. If you are approached online to invest in one of these, you should exercise extreme caution - it is likely a fraud.

Promissory Notes - Promissory notes are a form of debt that companies sometimes use to raise money. They typically involve investors loaning money to a company in exchange for a fixed amount of periodic income. Although promissory notes can be appropriate investments for many individuals, some fraudsters use promissory notes to defraud investors, especially the elderly.

Pyramid Scheme - In the classic "pyramid" scheme, participants attempt to make money solely by recruiting new participants. The hallmark of these schemes is the promise of sky-high returns in a short period of time. Pyramid scheme promoters may go to great lengths to make the program look like a multi-level marketing program selling legitimate products or services. But these fraudsters use money from new recruits to pay off early stage investors until eventually, the pyramid collapses. At some point, the schemes get too big, the promoter cannot raise enough money from new investors to pay earlier investors, and people lose their money.

Ponzi Red Flags
High returns with little or no risk. Every investment carries some degree of risk, and investments yielding higher returns typically involve more risk. Be highly suspicious of any “guaranteed” investment opportunity.

Overly consistent returns. Investments tend to go up and down over time. Be skeptical about an investment that regularly generates positive returns regardless of overall market conditions.

Unregistered investments. Ponzi schemes typically involve investments that are not registered with the SEC or with state regulators. Registration is important because it provides investors with access to information about the company’s management, products, services, and finances.

Unlicensed sellers. Federal and state securities laws require investment professionals and firms to be licensed or registered. Most Ponzi schemes involve unlicensed individuals or unregistered firms.


:RpS_thumbsup: :RpS_thumbsup: :RpS_thumbsup:

Welcome to RS and for your excellent information. We look forward to more posts of your knowledge and expertise here.

wserra
01-05-2013, 09:33 PM
The 16th amendment is unconstitutional.

A part of the Constitution is unconstitutional? That means about as much as saying that c=2πr is "ungeometrical".


As soon as we fill out any Federal Tax forms, we give up our fifth amendment right to not prosecute ourselves.

Not according to the Supreme Court. United States v. Sullivan, 274 U.S. 259 (1927).


If you know the right attorney's

The right attorney's what? Secretary? Dog? Hamster?

Oh, you mean "attorneys". Slept through third grade, did you?

C'mon, PHH. You posted on Quatloos over this guy?

klagoosh
01-05-2013, 09:55 PM
Thank you for your kind words, but threats? Where were you threatended with what I wrote? All you have to do is read Rumsfield's post as many times as you need to understand this is a Ponzi.

But if for some strange reason that still has not convinced you, then try this to see if it explains why this is a Ponzi:

When a bridge lender makes a loan, it is backed up with assets that are debt-free. If profitable sunrise really is doing bridge funding, and the note and interest is secured with assets, they must be debt-free. You cannot loan against an asset that already has debt because you as the lender would be second lien on the note. Simply put this means that if the borrower defaults, the party that holds the first lien position gets the asset, not PS. No bridge lender would ever be the second on any asset. It is how they protect themselves in case of default.

But even that does not protect the bridge lender 100%. Once the bridge lender has the asset, they must then turn around and sell it. If they don't sell it for enough money to cover the cost of their outstanding loan (they never lend at 100% of the asset), they lose that portion of the money lended.

PS says that investment funds are insured. They say funds are insured by a leading investment bank, which one? It certainly is not Inter Reef. Nowhere on their website do they show such insurance exists. If you open a trading account, it is insured through SPIC, while banks are insured through the FDIC. Every bank and trading firm proudly displays this seal so their customers know they are protected.

PS also says that they provide interim loans to companies for the term of 6 days to 24 months. No company would need only a 6 day loan. If they did, they could get that quickly on their line of credit, or use a debt-free asset as collateral with the bank they do business with at a "real" interest rate not usury++++++++. Besides it would take longer than 6 days to fill out the application, get it approved and money in their hands. Companies don't wait until crunch time to seek out a 6 day loan, and especially not at the interest rates PS claims they charge; especially if they have collateral (debt-free assets) that could be used as collateral.

But since you may not have caught where they contradicted themselves, I thought I would point it out to you and it is right on the Home page for all to see, and I quote:

"All our loan operations are insured and each one has a security which is equal to the amount of loan plus the interest on the loan. We use the funds invested by our members. So all your investments are insured by default.

Unfortunately, we cannot help every company as we have to make sure that we do not put our investors' money at excessive risk. In addition to that, our investments are insured by a leading investment bank."

At the interest rates they charge every loan they "claim" to make is excessive risk. A company doing business with PS would never get out of debt if they did obtain a loan from PS. It would bankrupt them. All the loans would default. So much for not taking on excessive risk. But I doubt if you still didn't catch the contradiction. Kudos if you did.

Now would you like for me to dismantle every statement PS has on their website with reality not fiction as they have written it? You might want to tell Roman that when he is referring to God, it is He, not he. Of course any real Christian would know that, Eastern European or not. As they say, the devil is in the details.

I am most pleased to see the work that is being done here to educate folks, and apologize for not being a little more involved, especially since I started this thread.

There is no doubt in my mind, whatsoever, that PS is a scam, without even digging to any depth, at all, but some will never believe the evidence that is right in front of them.

If anyone STILL has any doubt, do a Google Maps street level view of Inter Reef's physical address. Then come back here and say with a straight face that they are legitimate.

Address:
590A Kingsbury Road
Erdington
Birmingham
West Midlands
B24 9ND

While you're at it, why not give them a call at 013525 059 949 or Fax them at 14072 648 855 and ask them how they are able to offer 100,000 % annual return... (thank you, Rumsfield, for doing the math)

ProfHenryHiggins
01-05-2013, 10:14 PM
A part of the Constitution is unconstitutional? That means about as much as saying that c=2πr is "ungeometrical".



Not according to the Supreme Court. United States v. Sullivan, 274 U.S. 259 (1927).



The right attorney's what? Secretary? Dog? Hamster?

Oh, you mean "attorneys". Slept through third grade, did you?

C'mon, PHH. You posted on Quatloos over this guy?


I may have overreacted, Wes, but they do tend to come in droves.

And his vehement defense of this scam also uncovered another Ken Russo/Faith Sloan level serial scam promoter in Nanci Jo Frazer.

baylee
01-05-2013, 10:35 PM
I may have overreacted, Wes, but they do tend to come in droves.

And his vehement defense of this scam also uncovered another Ken Russo/Faith Sloan level serial scam promoter in Nanci Jo Frazer.

I find my self in 100% agreement with you.

littleroundman
01-05-2013, 11:58 PM
I wonder if "Roman Novak" and "Profitable Sunrise" have a special exemption allowing them to not publicly display their MoneyLenders license/s on all their advertising.

What say you, MyriadShill, you've seen them.

Myriad Force
01-06-2013, 05:42 AM
I wonder if "Roman Novak" and "Profitable Sunrise" have a special exemption allowing them to not publicly display their MoneyLenders license/s on all their advertising.

What say you, MyriadShill, you've seen them.

What say I ? I say the cockroaches have certainly come out of the woodwork on this thread. I have read the last posts of your "Big Guns". Not one shread of Empirical Evidence that PS is a scam. Now admittedly, I am relatively new to online investments and don't know all the players, but I am learning. With Profitable Sunrise all you are doing is attempting to compare them to other companies, then extrapolating the outcome.

Have no fear though, I am still digging on my end for all the info on PS I can find, so far so good. One thing I am unclear on, does Roman Novak by UK law, have to provide his loan license number on the PS site?

The upshot for me is this: Ultimately, I am just a guy that made an investment in a company with a cool business model. Once I can get my corpus back it is smooth sailing from there, pure profit. It is fun to watch you roaches running around like your going to save the world.

I wonder if you have placed as much effort into the Federal Reserve scam - printing money at interest, with no interest free dollars to pay off the interest bearing notes. Eagle One is a financial planner and in touch with Federal Authorities, has he alerted them to the massive rip-off? Probably not. How far up their sphincter is his head ?

ProfHenryHiggins
01-06-2013, 08:40 AM
What say I ? I say the cockroaches have certainly come out of the woodwork on this thread. I have read the last posts of your "Big Guns". Not one shread of Empirical Evidence that PS is a scam. Now admittedly, I am relatively new to online investments and don't know all the players, but I am learning. With Profitable Sunrise all you are doing is attempting to compare them to other companies, then extrapolating the outcome.

Have no fear though, I am still digging on my end for all the info on PS I can find, so far so good. One thing I am unclear on, does Roman Novak by UK law, have to provide his loan license number on the PS site?

The upshot for me is this: Ultimately, I am just a guy that made an investment in a company with a cool business model. Once I can get my corpus back it is smooth sailing from there, pure profit. It is fun to watch you roaches running around like your going to save the world.

I wonder if you have placed as much effort into the Federal Reserve scam - printing money at interest, with no interest free dollars to pay off the interest bearing notes. Eagle One is a financial planner and in touch with Federal Authorities, has he alerted them to the massive rip-off? Probably not. How far up their sphincter is his head ?

I looked into your claims regarding the band Rush, and the good folks in their forum consider you to be a psychotic stalker, Ty, not any kind of inspiration.

Now that you've stated that you intend to smurf (or structure) your bank accounts to avoid their reporting requirements, and the time in which you could have edited those posts has past, you can be reported for conspiracy to defraud. Wave good-bye to anything resembling profit from PS. I don't have to spend a single mote of my hekau to turn you in to the mortal authorities, after all.

PPBlog
01-06-2013, 11:17 AM
What say I ? I say the cockroaches have certainly come out of the woodwork on this thread.

Back in 2009, when some of Andy Bowdoin's "defenders" were running interference for the AdSurfDaily Ponzi scheme, one of them described the critics as "Rats, Bed Bugs, Maggots, Cockroaches And Everything Else."

Of course, another opined that a federal prosecutor should be placed in a medieval torture rack. The Secret Service/prosecutors were depicted as "Satan."

So, in other words, the agency that guards the President of the United States and the U.S. financial infrastructure, is "Satan." Bowdoin even compared the ASD raid by the Secret Service to the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Put another way, the U.S. government and the men and women who make up the government, are the Great Satan. That rhetorical flourish has been associated with Ayatollah Khomeini, among others. It is beyond baffling that certain people in the United States effectively have become cheerleaders for crime. And it is offensive beyond measure that some of them are using the language of certain Middle East extremists when they "defend" their "program."

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PPBlog
01-06-2013, 11:28 AM
the Federal Reserve scam - printing money at interest, with no interest free dollars to pay off the interest bearing notes.

AdSurfDaily figure Kenneth Wayne Leaming can help you advance this conspiracy theory. In addition to being a Federal Reserve conspiracy theorist, he's also a "Birther."

You probably shouldn't expect him to write back right away, though. That's because he's jailed near Seattle preparing for his criminal trial on charges of filing false liens against at least five public officials involved in the ASD Ponzi case, assisting in the filing of false liens against two prison officials, harboring fugitives, being a felon in possession of firearms -- and passing a bogus "Bonded Promissory Note" for $1 million.

PPBlog

Myriad Force
01-06-2013, 11:41 AM
I looked into your claims regarding the band Rush, and the good folks in their forum consider you to be a psychotic stalker, Ty, not any kind of inspiration.

Now that you've stated that you intend to smurf (or structure) your bank accounts to avoid their reporting requirements, and the time in which you could have edited those posts has past, you can be reported for conspiracy to defraud. Wave good-bye to anything resembling profit from PS. I don't have to spend a single mote of my hekau to turn you in to the mortal authorities, after all.

In all reality, we won't have to structure our accounts, Roman stated on the last conference call that within six months PS will have their own MasterCard through one of the off-shore Inter Reef banks. This way we can move our earnings onto the Card, which will also quicken the withdrawal process. As long as the funds are not brought into the Fed System, they have no jurisdiction on those funds.
Is it also fraud for Americans to move overseas (let's say, Belize), to avoid paying taxes ?

Is this fraud or savvy business planning? Eagle One, if truth be told, only 40% of Americans pay taxes, how many of the 60% have you chased down, you appear to be such a lilly white, upstanding American - you must rid America of these Defrauding Terrorists.

You remind us of Germans that snitched on other Germans to the Nazis, they did it to save their lives, you are doing it because you are a sadistic establishment bootlicker - who shall be "brought to nought" (Isaiah 29:20).

ArthurWankspittle
01-06-2013, 01:46 PM
If anyone STILL has any doubt, do a Google Maps street level view of Inter Reef's physical address. Then come back here and say with a straight face that they are legitimate.

Address:
590A Kingsbury Road
Erdington
Birmingham
West Midlands
B24 9ND

While you're at it, why not give them a call at 013525 059 949 or Fax them at 14072 648 855 and ask them how they are able to offer 100,000 % annual return... (thank you, Rumsfield, for doing the math)
Got directed here by some people who will recognise the name. That address is the home of a company formation agent (Become Ltd, 590a Kingsbury Road, Birmingham, B24 9ND - Company Formation Services (http://directory.thesun.co.uk/11161022)) i.e. a business that sets up and registers limited companies. Send them say $200 and they will be happy to set up a UK private limited company with whatever name you like (no duplicates or spoofing of existing companies please) and whatever share holdings you like (again within limitations). This company looks like it has been registered and nothing else has been done with it. It would be interesting phoning them on that number though, because the area code is for a town miles away. That isn't illegal, but you'd expect the business name to be associated with the address of where the phone number is. The fax number isn't even a UK number.

PPBlog
01-06-2013, 06:04 PM
You remind us of Germans that snitched on other Germans to the Nazis, they did it to save their lives, you are doing it because you are a sadistic establishment bootlicker - who shall be "brought to nought" (Isaiah 29:20).

So, now you're loading up a Bible verse to put a chill in Lynn? He'll be "brought to nought." Hell, that's the game MMB played, though MMB didn't do it through verse. (He did allow, however, that he'd defend serial Ponzi schemer Frederick Mann "so help me God.")

You apparently also view Lynn as a "sadistic establishment bootlicker," no doubt his because he seeks to educate the public about scams during the greatest era of white-collar fraud the world has ever known. But to you, he's not merely an "establishment bootlicker," but a "sadistic" one.

And, if I'm following your logic correctly, Lynn is the American equivalent of a cowardly German who's ratting out his neighbor to the Nazis to keep himself alive -- but Lynn is actually worse than a cowardly German because he finds joy in licking the boots of his captors?

At least you didn't call him a Socialist.

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littleroundman
01-06-2013, 06:29 PM
At least you didn't call him a Socialist.

PPBlog

Yet,

give him time.

Myriad Force
01-06-2013, 07:52 PM
Got directed here by some people who will recognise the name. That address is the home of a company formation agent (Become Ltd, 590a Kingsbury Road, Birmingham, B24 9ND - Company Formation Services (http://directory.thesun.co.uk/11161022)) i.e. a business that sets up and registers limited companies. Send them say $200 and they will be happy to set up a UK private limited company with whatever name you like (no duplicates or spoofing of existing companies please) and whatever share holdings you like (again within limitations). This company looks like it has been registered and nothing else has been done with it. It would be interesting phoning them on that number though, because the area code is for a town miles away. That isn't illegal, but you'd expect the business name to be associated with the address of where the phone number is. The fax number isn't even a UK number.


From my understanding, Roman is usually on the road closing on loans, he has no need for commerical office space, nor do his associates.

EagleOne
01-06-2013, 08:16 PM
From my understanding, Roman is usually on the road closing on loans, he has no need for commerical office space, nor do his associates.

Well, this is a first, Ponzi in a car.

baylee
01-06-2013, 08:22 PM
Well, this is a first, Ponzi in a car.

LOL, warn us first as now I have to clean up my computer screen.

EagleOne
01-06-2013, 09:18 PM
Myriad Force: In regard to some of your latest comments directed to me, I should point out that I am not a financial planner as you claimed. How you came to that conclusion is beyond me. But in regard to these commets from you, and I quote:

"I wonder if you have placed as much effort into the Federal Reserve scam - printing money at interest, with no interest free dollars to pay off the interest bearing notes. Eagle One is a financial planner and in touch with Federal Authorities, has he alerted them to the massive rip-off? Probably not. How far up their sphincter is his head ?

Is this fraud or savvy business planning? Eagle One, if truth be told, only 40% of Americans pay taxes, how many of the 60% have you chased down, you appear to be such a lilly white, upstanding American - you must rid America of these Defrauding Terrorists.

You remind us of Germans that snitched on other Germans to the Nazis, they did it to save their lives, you are doing it because you are a sadistic establishment bootlicker - who shall be "brought to nought" (Isaiah 29:20)."

This is the best you could do? Seriously? I take it you did not like me quoting from PS's website. This was not my opinion, but straight from the horse's mouth.

So instead of addressing the points from my posting PS statements, this was your reply? Seriously? I thought you wanted empirical evidence? Well, I demand empirical evidence from you, not some pre-shool temper tantrum. It works both ways.

Guess it is about time to expose more of what PS has to say on their website. Don't you just hate it when PS's own words are used against them. Kind of makes defending the Ponzi harder to do doesn't it.

But gotta love being called a "sadistic establishment bootlicker." But when you said, "You remind us of Germans that snitched on other Germans to the Nazis," I have been called Hitler before many times.

So tell me what I quoted from PS website that was not correct. You can tell me can't you?

Whip
01-06-2013, 10:50 PM
I should point out that I am not a financial planner

Well, compared to a serial criminal playing ponzis, you are. I'm pretty sure you'll never ever have to worry about clawbacks -> now that is pretty sound financial planning.

EagleOne
01-06-2013, 11:23 PM
Guess Rumsfield's comments were too much for Myriad Force to comprehend/understand. Well, not really. He is just ducking having to address them because he can't. If he did he would prove PS is a Ponzi. Can't have a Ponzi shill admitting his program is a Ponzi.

Myriad Force
01-07-2013, 02:59 AM
Guess Rumsfield's comments were too much for Myriad Force to comprehend/understand. Well, not really. He is just ducking having to address them because he can't. If he did he would prove PS is a Ponzi. Can't have a Ponzi shill admitting his program is a Ponzi.

No, I can't answer all the questions because I don't have all the answers yet; and I don't deperately provide parallels and extrapolations to make my case as you and your cohorts do.

I realize your need in licking your wounds in not being able to provide Empirical Evidence that PS is a Ponzi. I have never said they were or were not, you don't like that type of elusiveness. Again, all you have done is made parallels with other companies, and then extrapolate. Your "evidence" would not hold up in a court of law.

Come on, give us your best shot at providing any empirical evidence that PS is a Ponzi.

Have you heard the latest news, Profitable Sunrise has not made any interest payments on Monday yet, and there has been no word yet as to what is going on.

Hey, I know, let's extrapolate and create conclusions before we have any empirical evidence...

risaacs
01-07-2013, 03:01 AM
ProSun (http://richerwitheverysunrise.weebly.com) - Great reading and ALL the different opinions. Thx to all for the experience. I am a 20 year career veteran Kiwi soldier and I became fed up, sick and tired of our NZ Govt ignoring the cries of welfare, and our army super being manipulated as they wish. I count it a blessing that I found something that gave me hope. I have a strong passion in my choice of Faith AND further more I am INDEED happier in my new found venture. It is working for me and I advertise it far and wide as I can. Amen.

ArthurWankspittle
01-07-2013, 03:34 AM
From my understanding, Roman is usually on the road closing on loans, he has no need for commerical office space, nor do his associates.
So let's get this right:
On the road where?
A multi million pound business that either doesn't have an office or has a base with one land line.
A multi million pound business that customers can't find.
A multi million pound business that can be run from a vehicle because the documentation required must be minimal.

Myriad Force
01-07-2013, 03:39 AM
So let's get this right:
On the road where?
A multi million pound business that either doesn't have an office or has a base with one land line.
A multi million pound business that customers can't find.
A multi million pound business that can be run from a vehicle because the documentation required must be minimal.

Are you insinuating there is a dasterdly crime afoot? Must a company be Brick & Mortar for you to feel comfortable?

EagleOne
01-07-2013, 03:40 AM
No, I can't answer all the questions because I don't have all the answers yet; and I don't deperately provide parallels and extrapolations to make my case as you and your cohorts do.

I realize your need in licking your wounds in not being able to provide Empirical Evidence that PS is a Ponzi. I have never said they were or were not, you don't like that type of elusiveness. Again, all you have done is made parallels with other companies, and then extrapolate. Your "evidence" would not hold up in a court of law.

Come on, give us your best shot at providing any empirical evidence that PS is a Ponzi.

Have you heard the latest news, Profitable Sunrise has not made any interest payments on Monday yet, and there has been no word yet as to what is going on.

Hey, I know, let's extrapolate and create conclusions before we have any empirical evidence...

Licking my wounds? :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: I'm still waiting for you to tell me how I threatened you, as you claimed.

Just so you know, it is obvious when a program is a Ponzi because the pimps, shills and cheerleaders have to keep changing the subject so they don't have to answer any embarrassing questions. You know like you do every time you post here.

Still on the empircal evidence I see. You are in for a very rude surprise, and you will get all the "empirical evidence" you have been so desperately looking for. Just your loveable "sadistic establishment bootlicker and Nazi snitch."

ProfHenryHiggins
01-07-2013, 03:43 AM
Are you insinuating there is a dasterdly crime afoot?

Considering that we are discussing a multi-million pound business that appears to lack the basic paperwork required in order to operate in the various countries in which it is operating, yes. That is not a matter of a Ponzi or not, but basic business sense.

Furthermore, the loans being so cheerfully spoken of exceed the legal limits in the country being promoted within, something else that a company with a tolerable legal staff would have known long before entering said market.

ArthurWankspittle
01-07-2013, 03:46 AM
Are you insinuating there is a dasterdly crime afoot? Must a company be Brick & Mortar for you to feel comfortable?
Just answer two questions:
On the road where?
and
Name a multi million pound business that has one landline.

EagleOne
01-07-2013, 03:49 AM
I bet Myriad Force believes that PS was the first Ponzi to promote they charge excessive rates for their loans, cough, cough. He should go read PTVPartner's piece. It would put PS to shame as far as interest rates go, and guess what? It was a Ponzi. I'm sure it is just a coincidence.

But you gotta love the Ponzi in the car angle. I bet he has an ATM in the back seat.

Myriad Force
01-07-2013, 03:53 AM
Licking my wounds? :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: I'm still waiting for you to tell me how I threatened you, as you claimed.

Just so you know, it is obvious when a program is a Ponzi because the pimps, shills and cheerleaders have to keep changing the subject so they don't have to answer any embarrassing questions. You know like you do every time you post here.

Still on the empircal evidence I see. You are in for a very rude surprise, and you will get all the "empirical evidence" you have been so desperately looking for. Just your loveable "sadistic establishment bootlicker and Natzi snitch."

Is one a shill, who asks for Empirical Evidence of a Ponzi? You continue to avoid the empirical evidence question. We are beating a dead horse here. Time will give us all more light.

EO, I see you are a "Christian", are you an Eternal Damnationist?

EagleOne
01-07-2013, 03:54 AM
Just answer two questions:
On the road where?
and
Name a multi million pound business that has one landline.

Actually he is in the US, but just claims they are based in the UK because they actually spent about $25 and registered the name. Of course FSA has not heard of them, nor the SEC, nor FINRA, but they have a loan license because Myriad Force has seen a screenshot of it. Real empirical evidence isn't it.

ArthurWankspittle
01-07-2013, 03:55 AM
But you gotta love the Ponzi in the car angle. I bet he has an ATM in the back seat.I'm surprised at you Mr Eagle, he obviously has an RV fitted out like a bank.

ProfHenryHiggins
01-07-2013, 03:57 AM
Is one a shill, who asks for Empirical Evidence of a Ponzi? You continue to avoid the empirical evidence question. EO, I see you are a "Christian", are you an Eternal Damnationist?

And there you go trying to force the thread off-topic again.
As was offered before, make a new thread to discuss religion and/or the music of Rush in the appropriate forum. Do not hijack existing ones.

Are you truly as ignorant of the concepts of manners and etiquette as you behave, Ty?

EagleOne
01-07-2013, 04:02 AM
I'm surprised at you Mr Eagle, he obviously has an RV fitted out like a bank.

You are right. How silly of me. I'm blaming it on my having only had 4 hours sleep.

Can you just see Roman in front of a judge claiming he didn't need an office as he worked out of his car running a multi-million dollar company. Now that I would pay to see!

Myriad Force
01-07-2013, 04:29 AM
And there you go trying to force the thread off-topic again.
As was offered before, make a new thread to discuss religion and/or the music of Rush in the appropriate forum. Do not hijack existing ones.

Are you truly as ignorant of the concepts of manners and etiquette as you behave, Ty?

Yes, I guess a have a lack of curiosity as to the "concepts of manners and etiquette"what with there being none demonstrated by you or your cohorts. You attack those in programs that query you on Empirical Evidence, this is typical of the Adamic Nature.

ProfHenryHiggins
01-07-2013, 04:38 AM
Yes, I guess a have a lack of curiosity as to the "concepts of manners and etiquette"what with there being none demonstrated by you or your cohorts. You attack those in programs that query you on Empirical Evidence, this is typical of the Adamic Nature.

I am not EagleOne. Don't get the two of us confused with each other.

As far as appropriate forums, try the Entertainment forum for musical discussion, and the General Comments & Chat forum for religious ones.

Myriad Force
01-07-2013, 04:46 AM
I am not EagleOne. Don't get the two of us confused with each other.

As far as appropriate forums, try the Entertainment forum for musical discussion, and the General Comments & Chat forum for religious ones.

Oh, I see that you are confused - assuming I did not know who posted, well, that's what you are good at.

Meanwhile, back in Profitable Sunriseland, Nanci Jo Frazer's (former Miss North America and Mrs. Ohio) downline is doing well:

$10,805,050.65 deposited by 19326 members as of 3:58 am CST.

As I have stated, to provide you as much fodder as possible, Nanci is my main source of information for PS, she seems like a very nice and genuine lady. Here is YT video of her proclaiming her calling:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvaBMZjkZ0o

EagleOne
01-07-2013, 05:01 AM
Myriad Force: Hmm, you keep demanding "empirical evidence" when you have no clue what in the world you are talking about. I'm sure it sounds impressive to you, but you see "empirical" means: 1. based on or acting on observation or experiment, not on theory; 2. P.hilos regarding sense-data as valid information; 3. deriving knowledge from experience alone.

Since we have been acting on observation, and knowledge from our experiences, then we have provided you all the "empirical evidence" you have requested and need. Back to you.

ArthurWankspittle
01-07-2013, 05:07 AM
Inter Reef Limited was dormant as of 09/30/2012. Business must have really ramped up from 10/01/2012.

ArthurWankspittle
01-07-2013, 05:19 AM
Meanwhile, back in Profitable Sunriseland, Nanci Jo Frazer's (former Miss North America and Mrs. Ohio) downline is doing well:

$10,805,050.65 deposited by 19326 members as of 3:58 am CST.

As I have stated, to provide you as much fodder as possible, Nanci is my main source of information for PS, she seems like a very nice and genuine lady.Do you get a lot of emails from Nigerian ministers?
This is where Bernie Madoff went wrong, if only he'd been "Mr New York" he'd still be outside.

EagleOne
01-07-2013, 05:30 AM
Inter Reef Limited was dormant as of 09/30/2012. Business must have really ramped up from 10/01/2012.

But, but, but, but they have been doing loans for six years. I know because they said so on their website, and we all know if it is on their Internet website it has to be true. They just recently started making their millions available to the masses by offering this fantastic business online, cough, cough.

Myriad Force
01-07-2013, 05:47 AM
Myriad Force: Hmm, you keep demanding "empirical evidence" when you have no clue what in the world you are talking about. I'm sure it sounds impressive to you, but you see "empirical" means: 1. based on or acting on observation or experiment, not on theory; 2. P.hilos regarding sense-data as valid information; 3. deriving knowledge from experience alone.

Since we have been acting on observation, and knowledge from our experiences, then we have provided you all the "empirical evidence" you have requested and need. Back to you.

How fun, now you have to minimize or marginalize the definition of Empirical. You left off "verifiable or provable" of your defining Empirical.

Here also is a definition of Extrapolate:
ex·trap·o·late
[ik stráppə làyt]
1.infer: to use known facts as the starting point from which to draw inferences or conclusions about something unknown
2.estimate value: to estimate a value that falls outside a range of known values, e.g. by extending a curve on a graph

Let me spell it out for you - Because you cannot provide empirical evidence, you must extrapolate.

The irony is, I am going to be helping you find Empirical Evidence either way, no one wants to lose money.
I like the business model of PS and what I deposited will not take food off my kitchen table if it does not work out. If it does turn out to be a Ponzi, hopefully it will last a couple years, know what I mean? I am willing to play the game, risks make existence fun.

ArthurWankspittle
01-07-2013, 06:08 AM
But, but, but, but they have been doing loans for six years. I know because they said so on their website, and we all know if it is on their Internet website it has to be true. They just recently started making their millions available to the masses by offering this fantastic business online, cough, cough.
Is that six years since Sept 2011?

Date of Incorporation: 13/09/2011

Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC):
99999 - Dormant Company
Accounting Reference Date: 30/09
Last Accounts Made Up To: 30/09/2012 (DORMANT)
Next Accounts Due: 30/06/2014
Last Return Made Up To: 13/09/2012
Next Return Due: 11/10/2013
Those are English format dates, in case you were confused.

littleroundman
01-07-2013, 06:10 AM
I like the business model of PS and what I deposited will not take food off my kitchen table if it does not work out. If it does turn out to be a Ponzi, hopefully it will last a couple years, know what I mean? I am willing to play the game, risks make existence fun.

I hope newbies to the world of HYIP ponzis are paying attention to what "superpimp" Myriad Force is saying here.

Newbies who think they've stumbled upon a super secret way to make their fortune are about to get a very rude awakening when they realize their money is going to support the gambling habits of the Myriad Forces of the HYIP ponzi "industry"

Is it any wonder we welcome HYIP ponzi shills and pimps here on REALSCAM.com (http://www'realscam.com)

Saves us hours of trying to explain to readers exactly how a HYIP ponzi works.

Keep it up, Mr Force, keep it up.