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jweidow
08-20-2012, 02:15 PM
Motor Club of America provides Auto Benefits outside of your insurance company. Have you ever broken down on the side of the road?
Booked a vacation or travel plans through the airline? Ordered a Prescription? Have you every been paid to purchase any of these?
Learn about how you can benefit financially by doing the same things you are already doing and get paid each and every week!
Cover your family and Secure your future.......

Check Out These Benefits Include:

- Emergency Roadside Assistance- Free towing 100 miles
- $80 Per Referral Brought In( 19.95 plan- Best plan)
- $500 Arrest Bond Certificate
- $2,000 In Attorney Fees
- $25,000 Bail Bond/Felony
- 24 Hour Coverage If Injured
- Travel Assistance/Trip Planning
- $500 Emergency Room Cash
- $5,000 Stolen Vehicle Reward
- Up to a 65% Discount On Prescriptions
-Up to a 50% Discount on Dental & Vision
- $50,000 Accidental Death
- $1,000 Credit Card Protection
- $54,750 In Hospital Coverage Paid Directly To You

ProfHenryHiggins
08-20-2012, 02:22 PM
And given how many serial Ponzi-hoppers and cash gifters are jumping onto this programme's bandwagon, I'd wager that there is something shady behind the scenes that you aren't telling us. That kind of marketer showing up in droves says that something dishonest is afoot.

jweidow
08-20-2012, 02:29 PM
Sorry you feel that way, there is nothing me or anybody else can say to change your mind. So do your own research, if you can find where it is a scam that when you purchase a product yourself and see how it works, because I have broke down and had MCA help me out. show me proof that it is a scam.

jweidow
08-20-2012, 02:33 PM
I work hard to put this in front of people. There is no cash gifting ponzi scheme about this company and I think it is very rude to label something if you have no proof. By you saying stuff like that you take away from people actually having a legit work at home situation. Im new to this forum and I already see what you will run into on these forums.

ProfHenryHiggins
08-20-2012, 02:40 PM
If you bothered to read, what I said wasn't that the programme was a scam in itself, but that the kind of folks who flock to scams in preference to honest opportunities are moving to it like a plague of locusts. Ergo, something isn't right about it, otherwise these people wouldn't be attracted to it.

jweidow
08-20-2012, 02:45 PM
the reason people flock to it is because it is legit, and I have made money and people I know have made money, Also the benefits are real, It is so cheap it beats out AAA in benefits. That is why people run to this opportunity, Small investment pretty good income. I'm sorry I did not understand you the first time. I apologize

ProfHenryHiggins
08-20-2012, 03:17 PM
So what was your http://www.automatedmoneysystem.org website before you made it into a re-direct to your girlfriend's MCA page, John?

Taking a few looks around the Internet, you're spewing about this program like a newly converted Christian in the throes of ecstasy without the first clue as to what his new-found savior actually teaches. You're also spouting off on Solavei, just joined IBOToolbox, and your Empower Network blog left me shaking my head. Perhaps I should take MCA up on their anti-spam policy and point out all the places you advertised Miss Hochberg's sign-up page. Some of them definitely did not comply with the rules of the websites you used. Youtube, for example.

JustTooMuchTime
08-20-2012, 03:30 PM
So why did you post here in the first place, John? The site is set up to either call out scams or for people to ask if something is a scam.

JustTooMuchTime
08-20-2012, 03:36 PM
Behind MLM has this - but it looks like they are talking about a 3rd party recruitment system for MCA and not MCA itself:
TVC Matrix Review: Motor club and recruitment | BehindMLM (http://behindmlm.com/companies/tvc-matrix-review-motor-insurance-and-recruitment/)

From BehindMLM.com


"The Motor Club of America (MCA) are an auto club and provide mostly roadside assistance via monthly membership, they are also owned by TVC Matrix’s owner, Virgil Coffee."

Again, From BehindMLM.com

"With no retailable products or services and no distinction between TVC Matrix members and MCA members, that right there is pretty much your textbook definition of a pyramid scheme. Unless members recruit new members and those new members pay an ongoing membership fee, nobody gets paid."

jweidow
08-20-2012, 08:01 PM
Because for once in my life I trully believe in what Im posting thats why And for the automatedmoneysystem.org I created because it was a very catchy name especially for people looking for at home opps. and before it was directed to another page which was a free training video, I have been nothing but honest so if you are here just to ruin people be my guessed, I didnt know it was illegal to share info sorry

littleroundman
08-20-2012, 08:13 PM
I didnt know it was illegal to share info sorry

Illegal or not illegal, what you're doing is just plain bloody stupid.

If you simply can't see or are consciously avoiding the multitude of warnings signs and red flags, so be it.

You cannot expect, however to be able to do so and then expect members of a forum named REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) to allow you to post unchallenged.

Oh, and, by the way, what's with the "I didnt know it was illegal to share info, sorry" c**p ??? What, did you REALLY expect to be able to post your poorly disguised spam and get away with it ??

Good luck with that marketing strategy

Get used to it, you and your lady are competing with a who's who of scammers, spammers, HYIPers and cash gifters promoting MCoA.

ProfHenryHiggins
08-20-2012, 08:17 PM
John, John, John... you came running into a website devoted to exploring fraud and exposing con men, gleefully advertising a program. What did you expect us to do, behave like giddy schoolgirls and fawn at every word?

It's not illegal to share info, but when you present yourself as a target to be investigated like that, you really should expect some injuries to your pride at the very least.

jweidow
08-20-2012, 08:25 PM
I didnt mean any harm in posting it here, I just saw that everything was being seen as a scam, and this is not a scam. I appreciate you keeping people safe. I am one who was scammed before, But scamming people is not me. I have my own family and would never even think about scamming. So if you would investigate this opportunity and if you find anything scammy let me know. Because I am just trying to find a way to generate legitimate income

Thank you

ProfHenryHiggins
08-20-2012, 08:36 PM
So where, other than the program's own promotional sites, would I find references to this Motor Club of America that supposedly goes back to 1928?

How are prospective recruits supposed to tell whether the claimed history is accurate, embellished, or swiped from unrelated sources and sewn together to make the business look good?

JustTooMuchTime
08-21-2012, 11:54 AM
Here are sites hosted on the same ip as tvcmatrix.com:
americanhomeclub.net
americasmotorclub.net
glenncoffee.com
legendsnetwork.com
motorclubofamerica.net
mymotorclubentry.com
myperfectjob.net
onetouchonline.com
tvcmarketing.com
tvcmatrix.com
tvcmatrix.net

BBB Report for TVC:

http://www.bbb.org/oklahoma-city/business-reviews/road-service-automotive/tvc-in---9002308

Contact Information
Principal: Ms. Lynn Havener (Office Manager)
Mr. Virgil Coffee (President & C.E.O.)
Mr. V. Glenn Coffee (General Counsel for TVC)
Mr. Kent Melton (Secretary/Treasurer)
Mr. Bob Thompson
Business Category
Road Service-Automotive, Legal Services Plans, Attorney Referral Service

The BBB Report says:
"Business Category
Road Service-Automotive, Legal Services Plans, Attorney Referral Service

Products & Services
This company offers motor club memberships for truckers."

I haven't tested all of the "club" websites, but the few I did went to parked pages or error pages.

The locations in the BBB Report are:
3200 W. Wilshire
Oklahoma City, OK 73116
Directions

P. O. Box 20490
Oklahoma City, OK 73156-0490
Directions

The Wilshire address is a UPS location:
UPS Drop Box - 3200 W WILSHIRE BLVD, OKLAHOMA CITY, OK Pickup Time - Location and Hours (http://www.quickr.org/UPS_Drop_Box_3200_W_WILSHIRE_BLVD_OKLAHOMA_CITY_OK _Pickup_Time)

When I searched in the actual UPS locator TVC Marketing shows up - does that mean they're possibly the owner of the UPS store? I don't remember seeing that in the past with the locator service.

Earl Lee Tobed
08-21-2012, 03:24 PM
Yep---this is the forum to post your free ad promoting your illegal activities---Roll up,Roll up!

It saves us a heap of time searching for you guys when you simply turn up of your own accord!:RpS_wink::RpS_smile:

ProfHenryHiggins
08-21-2012, 03:45 PM
P. O. Box 20490
Oklahoma City, OK 73156-0490
Directions



That was the Nicole Hills Bank, in 2010. How long has TVC Matrix been using this post office box?

JustTooMuchTime
08-22-2012, 06:24 AM
Not sure on the PO box yet, but TVC Marketing Associates appears to have been around for a while (1989):
https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=1900482027

JustTooMuchTime
08-22-2012, 07:32 PM
This appears to be the correct Auto Club Of America Site:
Auto Club Of America - Home (http://autoclubofamerica.com/)
Bud Belz - Executive Profile (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Oklahoma/Oklahoma-City/bud-belz-P3697597.aspx)
Shows the connection between Auto Club Of America & TVC Marketing

There are several listings in the OK Secretary of State corporations databse for
Auto Club Of America:
https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInquiryFind.aspx?Name=auto%20club%20of%20ameri ca
That appear to be related to the man Auto Club Of America as they have the same registered
agent - Bud Belz - who is listed as the founder here:
Auto Club Of America (http://www.autoclubofamerica.com/about-aca.html)

It says: "Founder of the Auto Club of America in 1976"

Several of those listings list that the corporations are inactive because of an OTC Suspension - which I believe
is an Oklahoma Tax Commission supsension. Here are a few of those:
https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=1900317258
https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=1900316364
https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=1900305854
https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=1900305569
https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=1910324410
https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=1900410407

There is another company called OKLAHOMA AUTO CLUB-INC. here founded in 1928:
https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=2100057317
It doesn't list a registered agent, but it's a non-profit, so it seems doubtful that it's related to
the Auto Club Of America.

there is also a company called AUTOMOBILE CLUB OF SOUTHERN OKLAHOMA
https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=2100051692

Again, no registered agent listed - and a non-for-profit.

littleroundman
08-22-2012, 08:00 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/aca.jpg

AutoClub of America: about us (http://www.autoclubofamerica.com/about-aca.html)

TurtleDive
08-28-2012, 07:17 PM
I am glad you all posted this information. I actually signed up awhile back and created a website to market it and planned to market the hell out of it, BUT... after drawing up plans for the website I was going to create (was going to blow all other affiliates out of the water), I started researching for information to place on my site to verify it's legitimacy. Guess what... I found NOTHING. My benefits packet actually came yesterday stating how they been doing business since 1926, but I have found nothing in relation to these companies past the 1970s, so where are those other 50 years or whatever?

On top of this, the information I found in there favor was only registrations of business, but even those didn't show anything serious. I was starting to wonder if there was just one affiliate that took it upon himself to join ACA and make it look like a total different program so he can increase his own downline, as I haven't started promoting simply because I can find no information.

So for the original poster whom is talking about making money, that is great. I can go make $30,000 with this by the end of the month if I wanted, but I refuse to introduce a "possible scam" to people in which they may be taken and have my name attached to it. I am almost tempted to go do an eye exam or something and use this card just to see if it really even works. Something just doesn't feel right about this. I just need some PROOF that I can use in which I could then vouch, but for now something is definitely up with this.

I have wrote them a few times and still have not received the answers to all of my questions asking for proof of business registration, what about them was registered in 1926, the relation to Virgil Coffee, etc. etc.

If you can answer ANY of that, then we can talk, but until then... I have to write this off as a 90% chance of being a scam cause nothing seems to be adding up.

Oh, and ALSO. https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=1900482027

In reference to that link I just posted. If their marketing company was brought about in 1989, how can they claim to have been doing business since 1926. If they took over the company, that supposingly was doing bad or is not active due to tax commissions or whatever, WHY in the heck would they want to associate with them and assume their past bad business instead of stating specifically that they are a completely different company or whatever.

littleroundman
08-28-2012, 07:46 PM
Hiya, TurtleDive and welcome to REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com)

While you're in research mode, you might like to spend some time chasing down the " National Association of Travel Organization" (NATO)

which features prominently in Mr Belz' resume on the ACA website:


He has been very active in the National Association of Travel Organization (NATO, which is the trade association for auto clubs) and has held several offices in the organization, including that of president in 1989 and 1997. In 1999, NATO named Mr. Belz Executive Director, which is the organization's only permanent position, for his lifetime achievement.

Other than on the ACA website, Mr Google, like me, seems to have a hard time finding any reference to NATO.

EagleOne
08-28-2012, 10:03 PM
I am glad you all posted this information. I actually signed up awhile back and created a website to market it and planned to market the hell out of it, BUT... after drawing up plans for the website I was going to create (was going to blow all other affiliates out of the water), I started researching for information to place on my site to verify it's legitimacy. Guess what... I found NOTHING. My benefits packet actually came yesterday stating how they been doing business since 1926, but I have found nothing in relation to these companies past the 1970s, so where are those other 50 years or whatever?

On top of this, the information I found in there favor was only registrations of business, but even those didn't show anything serious. I was starting to wonder if there was just one affiliate that took it upon himself to join ACA and make it look like a total different program so he can increase his own downline, as I haven't started promoting simply because I can find no information.

So for the original poster whom is talking about making money, that is great. I can go make $30,000 with this by the end of the month if I wanted, but I refuse to introduce a "possible scam" to people in which they may be taken and have my name attached to it. I am almost tempted to go do an eye exam or something and use this card just to see if it really even works. Something just doesn't feel right about this. I just need some PROOF that I can use in which I could then vouch, but for now something is definitely up with this.

I have wrote them a few times and still have not received the answers to all of my questions asking for proof of business registration, what about them was registered in 1926, the relation to Virgil Coffee, etc. etc.

If you can answer ANY of that, then we can talk, but until then... I have to write this off as a 90% chance of being a scam cause nothing seems to be adding up.

Oh, and ALSO. https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=1900482027

In reference to that link I just posted. If their marketing company was brought about in 1989, how can they claim to have been doing business since 1926. If they took over the company, that supposingly was doing bad or is not active due to tax commissions or whatever, WHY in the heck would they want to associate with them and assume their past bad business instead of stating specifically that they are a completely different company or whatever.

Let me also welcome you to RS. As far as to how can they say it, simply because this is the Internet, and they can say whatever they want.

You see they don't expect anyone to really check them out. You are just supposed to buy the story and not question. Then also when you do ask serious questions in their chat room, you will be vilified for being negative, a Troll, or any of several other names, and then banned from the room.

But as for thinking this is 90% a scam, let me clear that up for you. It is 100% a Ponzi. And like in any Ponzi, you are not really making anything but the money comes from people joining under you or after you until it collapses because they cannot get more people into the program.

But don't let this be your only post and time here. And if you do have questions, you will find that there are many people here who will answer them for you.

All the best.

TurtleDive
08-28-2012, 11:00 PM
Thank you both for welcoming me, and I do plan to stick around. I was actually still doing research trying to find more information on this company and the people connected. The only things I can ever find about this site are 100s of affiliates SPAMMING the hell out of the internet with it. I cannot go to Craigslist now without seeing 10 ads for it, nor will any search pull up anything other than fake press releases, spun articles, duplicated videos, etc. Doesn't make sense that one would have to LOOK for anything that validates a company's legitimacy. I'd think that any company that's legit would love to have all of their legitimacy proved immediately and possibly even link directly to it to instill comfort into it's viewers and potential clients.

I actually joined awhile back without thinking to validate it as it was a no-brainer. $240.00 a year, is nothing when 4 referrals would have me covered for life in residuals alone. I built the website AmericaMotorClub.com as a capture page really believing in the product, and then I came up with a great idea on how to get massive attention without even marketing, and right when I was about to create my main site for this program, I noticed the other club (ACA) had the same road and colors in the logo. That's actually what caught my attention and made me say... wait a minute... what's the connection between these companies. My first thought was infringement. ACA's information showed it was from I think the 50s if I remember correctly, so how the hell could this other one be from the 20s if it came after? Something just didn't make sense. That's when I started searching for more information and VERIFIABLE information, mainly just for the "about us" section I was setting up for my site, and stumbled across nothing but by chance found this site, in which you all pointed out some of the same very limited information I found as well as much more info you dug up which pretty much confirmed this company is up to something.

I looked at real footage of a person marketing it whom has a 300+ in her downline, and has made over $20,000.00 and has been paid on time every Friday which made me think it could work. I really wanted this company to be legit and almost still marketed it, but I can't put my name on something like this if they have started out their company with all lies. I emailed them to have some simple questions answered... I will report back when/if I get any responses to any of it. I actually inquired about seeing PROOF of any of their claims (I specified a lot of them from their own wording) and asked if I could see any documents in regards to such things, but still no word.

Also, not long ago, I contacted the person I signed under (the one that made the 20k in less than 3 months) and asked her some questions and her response was. It's legit, people are getting paid. In which I kindly responded, that being paid doesn't mean anything. All scams start out with the illusion of being legit, where they must pay people at first to create trust and get it to spread like wildfire else nobody would join. She's being paid greatly because she's having the biggest impact on the company's success by marketing nonstop, posting every 15 minutes everywhere, etc. so of course she loves it. Also told her, if it's working for her GREAT. Milk it while you can, but I still would like to know more information about them because nothing is adding up. I explained to her how I could not find anything verifiable, and that I didn't doubt they were legit (redirected conversation in her favor to halt the defensive responses) and that I simply wanted to see proof or know what proof she had of it's legitimacy. She mentioned Virgil Coffee and David Kirscher I believe and told me check wikipedia for them, but then I asked... okay, so where is a real resource that cannot be edited by random people. Hell I can go in there right now and change his name to mine. Something from the government is what I would like to see basically. She said she would see if she can find out anything (which I don't have high hopes of her doing, as it could jeopardize her position with the company) and let me know.

I guess I'm still stuck on trying to find out some legitimacy to this program because I really wanted to believe in it, as it seemed like a great way to make some decent additional income for the real estate ventures I am in.

The thing that gets me though is, people are posting photos, videos, and statements explaining that they are actually USING these benefits and that it is indeed real. So if the services ARE real, why can't we find anything verifying them? I mean, is the card really a different company and just marked with their stamp? How can this card be accepted in SOOO many places, but yet nobody can find anything verifying whom they are? this whole setup is scary.

EagleOne
08-28-2012, 11:28 PM
OK, let's start with the basics. In what city/state are they located (company office)? Are they incorporated? Check with the Secretary of State of the Department of Corporations to see if they are properly licensed and registered in the state. Then check any other state to see if they are licensed and registered with them. They must be registered as a foreign corporation in all the states in which they do business. In some states it is the Department of Corporations to find out this information and in other states it is the Secretary of State. That's why you need to check both to find the right agency.

Then check out the BBB in their location to see what kind of rating they have, and if complaints: how many, how many stll outstanding, and how many resolved.

Since they are obviously nationwide, I would check with local towing companies to see if they are part of their service group. Usually a company that uses AAA, also will affiliate themselves with other membership groups like this. I think Allstate has their program still in force, as do several other companies.

One thing you need to be aware of, is that most car manufacturers now provide roadside assistance for 2-3 years of car ownership. So outside services usually are for people who have owned their cars for a long time or bought used. You are also competing with about 5 other companies that offer this type of service.

One of the major things that can happen is their pricing is just the come-on to get people enrolled. Then after a year the costs start going up and up and up. This causes the people to drop out that do not have any residual income coming in to cover these costs. Thus you lose retention which reduces your income.

Remember, when you Google, do not just go to the first 4 or 5 pages. If they show at least 8-10 pages, you want to start on page 7 because that's where they real information will be found.

Not sure if this helped or not, but all the best.

ProfHenryHiggins
08-28-2012, 11:49 PM
Also try looking up the history of NASDAQ stock PRES (Preserver Group Inc., the name that the original Motor Club of America changed to in 2001 - also note that their SEC reports mysteriously ended in 2003).

And look up "JVL Holding Properties"

Now where are JVL's SEC filings? Outside of the interaction with MCA in 1996... I'm not pulling them up. What kind of an investment lacks a trail with the SEC regulators?

TurtleDive
08-28-2012, 11:50 PM
Thank you, that is definitely a good checklist to start going by.

I forgot to post this. This is what everyone is posting on their sites, etc.

================================================== ===
To give you some background information on the company first; TVC is the parent company and the company that registers everyone as an independent contractor. TVC is owned by Virgil Coffee. His background has always been sales and marketing motor club and legal service plans since 1960 TVC was the marketing arm for Pre-Paid Legal when they first started as a company and Mr. Coffee actually wrote their marketing plan. The marketing plan took them from 1.6 million in sales to over 47 million in a short period of time.

In 1987, Mr. Coffee formed his own company starting with one plan, a legal service plan for over the road commercial drivers. Since that time the company has acquired many smaller and some larger motor club companies as they came available for purchase.

The latest acquisition was Motor Club of America. Motor Club of America had it's beginnings in 1926 so it is a well established company in itself and the membership base came with the purchase. At this time, TVC has well over 7 million members as a base in all the different service packages being marketed and is growing daily.

Motor Club of America was put on the market in October 2011, with the plan where you can register as an associate with TVC Marketing Associates, and have the right to market any of their service packages. The beauty of this is you have a "ground floor" opportunity with the stability and foundation of a 25 year old company.

Motor Club of America or MCA for short has been in business for 86 years and has established itself as a well respected, and trusted company within that period of time with people all across the United States and Canada.
================================================== ===

Under the statements above, they would've been much better off by not associating with 1926, keeping the part about launching publicly in October 2011, and providing basis for the 25-year old company. Anyone think they can dig up some information on this Virgil Coffee guy that's claimed to own it now? Maybe an address, phone number, anything that should be public domain so we can possibly contact him? Would be GREAT if we could record a conversation with him. (though for legal purposes, we'd have to state it was being recorded at the beginning, or ask at the end if he would've minded if the conversation would have been recorded, in which if he said yes would eliminate his ability to try and sue)

TurtleDive
08-29-2012, 09:16 AM
http://www.insurance.utah.gov/docs/Enforcement/2455Notice.pdf

DAVID K KIRCHER (president) :: OpenCorporates (http://opencorporates.com/officers/2804854)

DAVID K KIRCHER (director) :: OpenCorporates (http://opencorporates.com/officers/1016018)

http://www.nh.gov/insurance/companies/documents/motorclubs.pdf

David Kircher - Executive Profile (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Oklahoma/Oklahoma-City/david-k-kircher-P4208144.aspx)

Motor Club America Entps Inc in Oklahoma City, OK 73116 - Chamber of Commerce (http://www.chamberofcommerce.com/oklahoma-city-ok/30588019-motor-club-america-entps-inc/)

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/files/harrison-docs-lr080309.pdf (page 28)

HerbFlynn
08-31-2012, 11:39 PM
http://www.insurance.utah.gov/docs/Enforcement/2455Notice.pdf

DAVID K KIRCHER (president) :: OpenCorporates (http://opencorporates.com/officers/2804854)

DAVID K KIRCHER (director) :: OpenCorporates (http://opencorporates.com/officers/1016018)

http://www.nh.gov/insurance/companies/documents/motorclubs.pdf

David Kircher - Executive Profile (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Oklahoma/Oklahoma-City/david-k-kircher-P4208144.aspx)

Motor Club America Entps Inc in Oklahoma City, OK 73116 - Chamber of Commerce (http://www.chamberofcommerce.com/oklahoma-city-ok/30588019-motor-club-america-entps-inc/)

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/files/harrison-docs-lr080309.pdf (page 28)

I've been trying to dug up information on them as well - came across here doing my research. I'm was interested in signing up with them and this information is helpful. I've also come across a bit of angry posts against them on some of the Truckers boards regarding their "programs" target at truckers going on for several years worth of posts.

Well, all this proves is they exist but not really any real history on them.

I find it odd that no information regarding providers is not anywhere on the web.

Anyone turn up any additional info?

They seem to be making people money, and they seem to be offering their various services to members.

jovics
09-03-2012, 10:33 AM
Here is more information about Motor Club of America.

Things you should know before you join TVC Marketing - Motor Club of America (http://beforeyoujointvcmatrix-mca.blogspot.com/)

JustTooMuchTime
09-14-2012, 10:04 PM
Here is more information about Motor Club of America.

Things you should know before you join TVC Marketing - Motor Club of America (http://beforeyoujointvcmatrix-mca.blogspot.com/)

I especially liked this part of your article:
Read about Motor Club of America on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Club_of_America) - which led to a deleted WikiPedia page. Better yet is the discussion
about the deletion:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Motor Club of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Motor_Club_of_America)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was speedy delete. Speedy G11, would need complete rewriting from scratch DGG ( talk ) 03:36, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
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No established notability, only reference is a deadlink, reads like advertising, I was unable to find any independent sources, contested PROD. — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 23:29, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Delete. Pure spam, and it looks like copy vio also.--Dmol (talk) 23:48, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Delete, per above. There doesn't seem to be any reliable third-party sources on this group. EWikistTalk 00:54, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
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Speedy delete as unambiguous advertising; alternatively, delete per Jeff G. There was evidently an earlier New Jersey company also called Motor Club of America, which changed its name to Preserver Group in 1991.[1] There are a few news articles about that company and its founder, but I found no independent sources for this one. --Arxiloxos (talk) 03:04, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
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Pure spam, indeed!

WorkHomeAgents
10-04-2012, 09:55 AM
Type any program name into google or youtube and add the word "Scam" at the end and you will find someone calling it a scam and selling something else...but that doesn't mean its a ponzi scheme. MCA is making a lot of people money...but I admit...the way some people present the Motor Club of America opportunity seems shady...but that is with any program out there. Just my 2 cents.


And given how many serial Ponzi-hoppers and cash gifters are jumping onto this programme's bandwagon, I'd wager that there is something shady behind the scenes that you aren't telling us. That kind of marketer showing up in droves says that something dishonest is afoot.

littleroundman
10-04-2012, 10:36 AM
Type any program name into google or youtube and add the word "Scam" at the end and you will find someone calling it a scam and selling something else...but that doesn't mean its a ponzi scheme. MCA is making a lot of people money...but I admit...the way some people present the Motor Club of America opportunity seems shady...but that is with any program out there. Just my 2 cents.

I'd have to respectfully disagree with your first point, WorkHomeAgents.

In my experience the vast majority of "MCA - scam" results returned by Google are, in fact, placed by those selling and promoting MCA and NOT by rival companies and/or sellers of other products.

It's another "red flag" for those looking for a genuine opportunity.

As for ProfHenryHiggins' theory that "something shady is afoot" IM(very)HO the "TVC Matrix" part of MCA fits the bill perfectly.

It is entirely possible within the current TVC model to be used as a pyramid scheme / "endless chain" recruiting system.

IOW, members pay to sign up and earn solely from recruitment alone.

This practice and the fact TVC/MCA allow it to happen raises giant questions and red flags for genuine potential members.

* It's illegal.

* It damages the reputation of the company/s

* It condemns the company to premature failure

Sure, MCA may be, as you say "making a lot of people a lot of money" but, so did Zeek Rewards and so do many pyramid endless chain recruiting systems FOR A WHILE.

In short, readers looking to play money games are probably being drawn to MCA, as is evidenced by the thousands of get-rich-quickers jumping on board.

On the other hand, I suspect serious MLMers will keep their wallets firmly tucked in their back pockets.

kschang
10-04-2012, 07:50 PM
There's a big thread over on BehindMLM, with a lot of supporters who can't tell the difference between MCA and the marketing arm, "TVC Matrix". As there's effectively no difference, we're looking at a Burnlounge Retread.

GeminiDogg
10-12-2012, 04:07 PM
There's a big thread over on BehindMLM, with a lot of supporters who can't tell the difference between MCA and the marketing arm, "TVC Matrix". As there's effectively no difference, we're looking at a Burnlounge Retread.

TVC Matrix is the website for a company TVC Marketing Associates, Inc., which also owns Motor Club America and they're based out of Oklahoma City. TVC has been in business for over 25 years, and the owner of the company (Virgil Coffee) was responsible for devised the marketing and comp plan for Pre-Paid Legal Services (Now Legal Shield) which they have revenues over a half a billion dollars. As for you comparing MCA/TVC to Burnlounge as a scam, it does not come even close. MCA markets motor club benefits memberships(It just like AAA, but they offered a whole lot more than them) ranges from $9.95 to $39.90/month (You paid two months advance that covers your first and last month of the membership; and each time a person refers others to the benefits, they get paid anywhere from $20 to $80, plus residuals. THERE'S NO COST TO BECOME AN ASSOCIATE, AND YOU HAVE TO BE MEMBER TO SIGN UP PEOPLE AS WELL.

GeminiDogg
10-12-2012, 04:14 PM
If you bothered to read, what I said wasn't that the programme was a scam in itself, but that the kind of folks who flock to scams in preference to honest opportunities are moving to it like a plague of locusts. Ergo, something isn't right about it, otherwise these people wouldn't be attracted to it. How do you know that since you're not from the U.S. anyways? Why did I said that you're not from the U.S.? Simple, your spelling of Programme is a dead give-a-way. Nice try Professor.

littleroundman
10-12-2012, 07:45 PM
How do you know that since you're not from the U.S. anyways?

What strange logic.

Here's the thing,

I'm not from the U.S.A. either.

Despite that, I know Barack Obama is its' president.

Ain't the internet wonderful ???

littleroundman
10-12-2012, 08:05 PM
THERE'S NO COST TO BECOME AN ASSOCIATE, AND YOU HAVE TO BE MEMBER TO SIGN UP PEOPLE AS WELL.

And, therein lies the problem.

It's called "pay to play" and is what makes it both illegal and destined to fail.

Add that to the fact MCA has no policy in place to prevent endless chain recruiting being the primary source of income for "members" and the fact the internet is flooded with get-rich-quickers offering the "opportunity" and you can start to see the problem.

Dedicated Get-rich-quickers can probably make a few bucks before the inevitable.

Serious and smart MLMers will keep away in droves.

EagleOne
10-13-2012, 12:52 AM
How do you know that since you're not from the U.S. anyways? Why did I said that you're not from the U.S.? Simple, your spelling of Programme is a dead give-a-way. Nice try Professor.

Hate to burst your bubble that you know that the Prof is not from the US, because you are wrong. The good Prof is from right here in the good 'ole USA.

baylee
10-13-2012, 08:54 AM
How do you know that since you're not from the U.S. anyways? Why did I said that you're not from the U.S.? Simple, your spelling of Programme is a dead give-a-way. Nice try Professor.

What makes the difference where anybody is from?

littleroundman
10-13-2012, 10:51 AM
What makes the difference where anybody is from?

None at all.

But, he's gotta at least try to distract attention away from the subject at hand.

That's his job.

kschang
10-13-2012, 05:05 PM
As for you comparing MCA/TVC to Burnlounge as a scam, it does not come even close. MCA markets motor club benefits memberships(It just like AAA, but they offered a whole lot more than them) ranges from $9.95 to $39.90/month (You paid two months advance that covers your first and last month of the membership; and each time a person refers others to the benefits, they get paid anywhere from $20 to $80, plus residuals. THERE'S NO COST TO BECOME AN ASSOCIATE, AND YOU HAVE TO BE MEMBER TO SIGN UP PEOPLE AS WELL.

Burnlounge: you pay to join as member, pay slight upgrade to be "mogul" (affiliate), sell music, recruit other members, get music and other music-related stuff

TVC/MCA: you pay to join as member, (pay nothing to upgrade to affiliate), and recruit other members, get some motor club benefits like towing and such stuff

You are right, Burnlounge at least have a retail component: sell music. MCA doesn't even have that option. It is DEFINITELY a pyramid scheme!

path2prosperity
10-14-2012, 05:36 PM
Very heavily promoted on Scamlandpro by one of their biggest shills, Paula Frye who is into almost every ponzi in the book including this load of BS

From Paula's web site (http://www.paulafrye.com/moneymakers.htm)

Each of the businesses listed below pay on time and never miss when payment is due. Some of them even pay you daily.

MCA - Motor Club of America -- (USA and Canada) -- Exceptional business and product. Like AAA but pays you weekly cash. $19.95 membership pays you $80-$90 fast start bonuses weekly.

Instant Cash Plugin -- (Worldwide) -- Advertises for you and pays $100 commissions. This has been converting exceptionally well. This has paid me thousands already. I've been tracking, and I am definitely getting hits to my website from it, too. This even has a downline builder in it for building MCA (above).

1-Click Marketing Machine -- (Global - Worldwide) -- Created by Phil Basten and Jane Mark. This will advertise any link you choose all over the Internet. It's a great product. It also pays you $40 - $100 - $150 - and $200 commissions. Get paid daily here. I really love this! This has an awesome downline builder, where you can make hundreds in additional commissions! Pays daily for all sales. Works GREAT!

Staged (Global - worldwide) -- Excellent automated system and product. Low price - nice commissions. Make money even using Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and other social sites. You can share ANY video with others and make money doing it.

Skinny Body Care (Global - worldwide) -- One BIG Powerline. Everyone earns here. FREE automated recruiting system included. Extremely popular product. This has been paying me monthly for awhile now! GREAT team support, too! Nice Facebook group where everyone can ask questions and talk with other members!

Stiforp (Global - worldwide) -- Easy automated system. Terrific products you can use to market any business or product. Costs $9.95 monthly but pays $25 fast starts and forced matrix pay. Nice payplan.

Traffic Bot X -- (Global - Worldwide) -- Pays you $100-$150 commissions and gets traffic to your websites. This has also paid me thousands since opening.

Commission Engine X -- (Global - Worldwide) -- Automated traffic and $25 commissions. This gives you less traffic than Traffic Bot X but still gets you visitors everyday. Very affordable.

7 Minute Workout (Global - worldwide) -- From GVO founder Joel Therien. It pays you monthly and will really get you in shape! I'm loving the workouts! They only take 7 minutes (3 times weekly) to do, and I am really noticing the benefits! You can join just for the workout -- or you can upgrade to also sell memberships.

Power Income Team -- (Global - Worldwide) -- Created by Mark Watson. This will build your downline in multiple low-cost programs. It's nicely automated and converts well.

Quick Profit System -- (Global - Worldwide) -- This is paying $25-$50 commissions. It's automated and comes with leads. View the short video, and you'll see why it's making so many people money.

Host Then Profit (Global - worldwide) -- Only $9.95 -- New business from GVO founder Joel Therien. It pays you monthly and comes with web hosting (4 websites), autoresponders, au

Auto Profit Machine -- (Global - Worldwide) -- Created by Max Stiegemeier. $25 Passive commissions. Everyone advertises your link for you. 30% of everyone's advertising goes to other members. Extremely easy business to make money in.

Auto Profit Global -- (Global - Worldwide) -- Created by Max Stiegemeier. $100 Passive commissions. Setup on a 30/70 advertising script. 30% of all advertising goes to other members. Great opportunity ... especially for a one-time fee.

Little Cash_Bot -- (Global - Worldwide) -- Smaller version of Auto Cash Bot. Pays you $33.50 commissions. Has a really nice downline builder, which also pays you ADDITIONAL $100 commissions and even helps build your $10 GVO Host Then Profit business.

Auto_Cash_Bot -- (Global - Worldwide) -- This robot will advertise any list FOR YOU and pay you $200 commissions (and it sells great). It's incredible. Definitely grab your link once you join and advertise it. It's nice making BIG commissions! I have made $800 in one day with it before.

EZ Wealth Solution (Global - worldwide) -- $47, $97, $247, $497, and $997 commissions paid straight to you! I'll pay your way into level 1. You'll get a really nice package of products and the ability to make $47 commissions over and over again. Extremely automated. The movies do a GREAT job of turning tour takers into members! Everyone should be a member of this one.

Secret Lead Factory -- 200,000 Leads Monthly and $50-$200 Commissions -- (Global - Worldwide) -- Easy to sell. They will even do all of the selling for you if you want them to. Excellent money-maker. Pays you instantly straight to your account. No waiting at all. You can even send to your leads from their website! This is one of those must-haves!

Clickbank Demon -- (Global - Worldwide) -- Automated advertising and automated sales. Easy to use. Currently a lifetime reduced rate (no monthly fees). $97 Commissions paid weekly. Very popular and nice automated system.

That Free Thing (Global - worldwide) -- This is growing like crazy! It seems everyone wants to be in this one. Get free things. Only costs $9.95 to be a paid member Very affordable and paying everyone. $18,000 reachable in the forced matrix. They pay me every single week.

G5 Cash - (Global - Worldwide) -- This pays you $49.95 whenever you get a sale. Keep 100% profit. This converts extremely well. Excellent extra moneymaker. I have gotten 5 sales for it in one day before, so you can bet I like it very well.

Mass_Money_Formula (Global - worldwide) -- $100 Commissions -- Paid Daily. They will even advertise for you! Save hundreds doing the things you already do! From Max Stiegemeier.

Crazy_Daily_Cash (Global - worldwide) Awesome moneymaker and training. $100 commissions - paid to you weekly.

Passive Online Profits (Global - worldwide) -- $200 Commissions over and over again. Includes list building with autoresponders and phone broadcasting system (all included). Lifetime membership. No monthly fees. This is a very good system for both making money and building a highly-targeted contact list. No experience needed to make money here. As a member of P.O.P. Ultra, you also get full membership in P.O.P. Mini. Click here to view P.O.P. Mini. If you would like to see one of P.O.P. Ultra's generic splash pages, I have one that is being used for another company I sell for. Click here to view the splash. You can use these splashes to advertise anything, even POP.

ECR Robot - (Global - Worldwide) - This has paid me thousands already. It advertises for you automatically and pays terrific commissions. Everyone needs additional advertising. This is something everyone should join. It is paying me $20 - $150 commissions, which add up fast.

Cash Dragon -- (Global - Worldwide) -- Pays you $20 instantly to your account. Small one-time-fee. They even advertise for you,

20/20 Unlimited - (Global - Worldwide) - Pays you $20 commissions every single time you get a sale "plus" everytime someone you bring in gets a sale. It's very easy to get sales in this one. They pay you quickly into your payment account, too.

From Paula's Blog. (http://blog.paulafrye.com/)

Paula Frye on Scamlandpro

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Paula Fry's Latest Scam

All Your Lists in One Place.

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path2prosperity
10-14-2012, 06:37 PM
Another of Paula Frye's ads as she pimps MCA.

Motor Club of America (http://join-mca.com/fryeteam)

kschang
10-19-2012, 09:23 PM
IMHO, potential scam that really should audit itself... before the FTC does it for them

A MLM Skeptic: Motor Club of America / TVC Matrix: legitimate, or pyramid scheme? (http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/10/motor-club-of-america-tvc-matrix.html)

kschang
10-24-2012, 08:53 PM
Got multiple reports that you can indeed join TVC without buying MCA membership, but can't confirm it on their website. tvcmarketing and tvcmatrix goes to the same website... a shopping cart website, not an information website, and affiliate dashboard website.

They are registered with Utah office of insurance https://secure.utah.gov/cas/search?page=organizationDetails&id=883

I was searching for TVC info when I FINALLY figured out what TVC stands for: "Trucker's Voice in Court". They allegedly started as sort of "court insurance" for commercial drivers, and still operates that way at tvcwest.com. They sell the $48.85 per month membership through associates paying commission.

Why don't they just go straight commission based is a head-scratcher.

kschang
10-29-2012, 02:01 PM
Update on MCA / TVC... TVC is the truck version of MCA. TVC actually started first.

TVCWest is operated by affiliate, not TVC themselves. My apologies in not spotting this earlier. Otherwise, the two marketing matrices are the same: both have 'refer 3' and such.

Full update here:

A MLM Skeptic: UPDATE on Motor Club of America (MCA) and TVC Matrix (http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/10/update-on-motor-club-of-america-mca-and.html)

paulafrye
11-11-2012, 05:43 PM
Another of Paula Frye's ads as she pimps MCA.

Motor Club of America (http://join-mca.com/fryeteam)


Hello,

I do not know why my name is allowed to be thrown around like this (that I "pimp" something, etc.) but this is obviously not a forum truly concerned with warning about scams. I am an affiliate and I sell things. I do not run programs. To single me out (just an affiliate) is not doing anything but making you look bad. Someone from here wrote to tell me about all of the posts speaking about me like this over here. If you have trouble with a business, contact that business. Don't just talk bad about "people". That just makes this forum look like nothing more than a place for people to gossip and flame.

Just my 2 cents :-)

Paula Frye


P.S. Thanks for the free advertising. I'm getting a lot of traffic (sales, etc.) from your forum.

Poyol
11-12-2012, 04:32 AM
Hello,

I do not know why my name is allowed to be thrown around like this (that I "pimp" something, etc.) but this is obviously not a forum truly concerned with warning about scams. I am an affiliate and I sell things. I do not run programs. To single me out (just an affiliate) is not doing anything but making you look bad. Someone from here wrote to tell me about all of the posts speaking about me like this over here. If you have trouble with a business, contact that business. Don't just talk bad about "people". That just makes this forum look like nothing more than a place for people to gossip and flame.

Just my 2 cents :-)

Paula Frye


P.S. Thanks for the free advertising. I'm getting a lot of traffic (sales, etc.) from your forum.


Paula, they are slating 'the business' your business. If you're an affiliate you're your own business owner.

Hope that clarifies it!

Jason

path2prosperity
11-12-2012, 07:18 AM
Paula, they are slating 'the business' your business. If you're an affiliate you're your own business owner.

Hope that clarifies it!

Jason

Where did you see this comment by Paula? Jason. She has commented in one RS thread about Marianne Myers but I can not find any comments from her about MCA in RS? How did you find her question? Did you get a PM from her?

littleroundman
11-12-2012, 07:21 AM
It's post #48 directly above Jasons', Judy

path2prosperity
11-12-2012, 07:30 AM
It's post #48 directly above Jasons', Judy

The same words as one of her posts that I had just seen in another thread so I was careless and had not noticed.

path2prosperity
11-12-2012, 07:43 AM
Hello,

I sell things. I do not run programs.

You sell ponzi's Paula. You sell products on forums promoting hard porn and ponzis. What does Skinny Body Care got to do with premature ejaculation? Perhaps you can explain.

RS Questions about Skinny Body Care (http://www.realscam.com/f9/skinny-body-care-wellness-product-quack-doctory-huge-rip-off-1593/).

path2prosperity
11-12-2012, 07:51 AM
Hello,


Just my 2 cents :-)

Paula Frye


P.S. Thanks for the free advertising. I'm getting a lot of traffic (sales, etc.) from your forum.

I would not be too happy about the traffic Paula. You may have more spam bots and porn merchants since you posted here but there may also be legal authorities, historians and journalists. Clean up your act and you may get some customers.

Whip
11-12-2012, 09:45 AM
I think she's just trying to say she's really a 'smallafrye' and not accountable.

Theseus
11-24-2012, 09:16 PM
the reason people flock to it is because it is legit, and I have made money and people I know have made money

Can I steal that for a signature? :RpS_laugh:

MissFloridaSunshine
11-28-2012, 10:07 AM
Hello everyone. I just want to say I'm so glad I found this page. It helped me tremendously in understanding the truth about MCA. I first heard about MCA through Facebook. I thought something was amiss as the only thing associates seem to promote more than anything is how much money they make. Admittedly, it was this approach that made me consider joining MCA, but something in my gut kept saying something just wasn't right. The more research I did, the LESS I could get a straight up answer regarding MCA. The biggest red flags for me was on the majority of the You Tube videos posted by associates, it would have very misleading titles like, "MCA is a SCAM!!!" and once you go to their video, they are actually trying to get you to join MCA. I've found that a lot of the associates are either very defensive or try to come across as sympathetic (i.e. "I'm sorry you may have been treated poorly by another associate. Please contact me if you have any questions about MCA.") The biggest red flag is that NONE of the associates give direct answers to questions about MCA other than "People make money" or "I'm getting paid". I couldn't put my finger on why, specifically, MCA didn't sound right, other than it just didn't sound right. This site has helped me to identify the specific reason why MCA is a scam. Thank God, because I was seriously considering joining.

Justice786
12-06-2012, 11:34 PM
Hello everyone. I just want to say I'm so glad I found this page. It helped me tremendously in understanding the truth about MCA. I first heard about MCA through Facebook. I thought something was amiss as the only thing associates seem to promote more than anything is how much money they make. Admittedly, it was this approach that made me consider joining MCA, but something in my gut kept saying something just wasn't right. The more research I did, the LESS I could get a straight up answer regarding MCA. The biggest red flags for me was on the majority of the You Tube videos posted by associates, it would have very misleading titles like, "MCA is a SCAM!!!" and once you go to their video, they are actually trying to get you to join MCA. I've found that a lot of the associates are either very defensive or try to come across as sympathetic (i.e. "I'm sorry you may have been treated poorly by another associate. Please contact me if you have any questions about MCA.") The biggest red flag is that NONE of the associates give direct answers to questions about MCA other than "People make money" or "I'm getting paid". I couldn't put my finger on why, specifically, MCA didn't sound right, other than it just didn't sound right. This site has helped me to identify the specific reason why MCA is a scam. Thank God, because I was seriously considering joining.

I happened upon MCA while researching different opportunities to work from home. Having always worked in the legal field as a paralegal, I wanted more information about the company's background. All the associates all state the same "script" and that is an indicator to me that before giving any money, I needed to see if I would be able to find out more information. After a few different types of searches, I finally happened upon a recent November 23, 2012, commentary by a guy named Steve Rhode. He titled his commentary "Motor Club of America (MCA) Looks Like a Biz Op to Avoid. Not What It Appears to Be." Mr. Rhode's article saved me a lot of time and effort as it contains exactly the information I was seeking while researching online. I try to always research the background of any employer or business I am hoping to form a relationship with, it is always a wise practice to do so. There is a lot of public information which is easily accessible through clerk of court websites, secretary of state websites, department of corporations, etc. When in doubt or you got a gut feeling, listen to your gut, and do your research. :)

rankontop
12-16-2012, 02:06 AM
i just told a hopefull newbie about this as an online marketer and knowing the game. i just broke his heart and i know it.

a partial of my email.
I'm actually one of the type of guys your trying to work this out for. I'm above their level even in mindset as I seen their website & they seemed shady!
Us internet marketers know these tricks in videos, adding fake followers, adding video likes on youTube and can hire people to give fake reviews, ect.

The online world is full of deception. So ..
I know you werent expecting that, but I wanted you to know.. before you go pouring your heart into this bud.
There is hope out there!

I sold websites, created my own, sold ads, made real good money but it all took time for me to learn as I was in your shoes back in 2001.

I just responded to a rock band asking to create 1million youtube views for their videos, True! you see allot of it is not real.

But we make it look real. also in real life becarefull when buying things and reading online reviews. those can be faked too.
your walking a little on the dark side its up to you if you want to make money or wish....

I left allot out but I hate kowing this stuff in wich I found out the hard way as i learned. I cannot let another duped real or not.
God bless us all in this messed up world.

oregongrrl
12-16-2012, 02:11 PM
On the topic of MCA i almost signed up with them, Until i found out that they deduct almost 5.00 out of your commission of 80 dollars if someone cancels their membership! So basically all your hard work goes down the toilet? And they keep deducting that fee until it's all paid back! Very unfair business practices! And should be looked into. Iam a marketer for a legit company and they pay all their commissions out and would not do such a unfair thing.

oregongrrl
12-16-2012, 02:18 PM
yep Miss Florida Sunshine, Gotta read the fine print! :shocked:

MissFloridaSunshine
12-17-2012, 03:55 PM
@justice786 Just read the article. Very helpful. I wish more people spoke out about MCA.

MissFloridaSunshine
12-17-2012, 05:38 PM
Here are some of the videos with misleading titles:
MCA IS A SCAM!!!!!!! OMG I CANT BELEIVE IT!!! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39fDsZ-VbwE)
MCA TVC MARKETING IS A SCAM!!!! $39.90 turns into $1276.00 IN 1 week!!!! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhryet0KTwM)
[WARNING] Motor Club of America a SCAM? If you THOUGHT it was a SCAM, you're RIGHT!! (8/31/2012) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaNXuXqvGwo)

moneymann
12-17-2012, 06:31 PM
Mca isnt a scam but theres a company wayyyy better called NMC, who evers thinking about joining mca I would highly recommend googling MCA vs NMC,contact email address removed by mod if interested in joining

aislesoffiles
01-05-2013, 01:45 PM
This is my first post, so I understand that it will be moderated.

In doing my own research on MCA/TVC (someone asked a question about whether MCA/TVC was accredited by the BBC in a MCA Facebook group) and I came across this thread. I decided to read through the thread, then decided to join so that I can share what information I have obtained.

**DISCLAIMER: I'll say this right up front...I did sign up as a free associate with TVC/MCA but did not purchase a membership benefits package. I do promote affiliate programs and when I first saw this, it was being promoted by many that you had to purchase a membership benefits package in order to be an affiliate, so I hesitated. I found out later that this was NOT true. You CAN sign up as an associate for free, sell the benefits packages and earn commissions. The folks saying otherwise was their way of getting a "cash grab" from their referrals and not being upfront about the company policies...not really the fault of the company, but of greedy marketers.

The constant question is: where is "official", "corporate" (in other words, objective and unbiased) information about the company? That was my first question because the majority of the entries returned from a google search are from associates' promotions. Someone finally directed me to this link: Preserver Group, Inc.: Information from Answers.com (http://www.answers.com/topic/preserver-group-inc)

This is an entry that is supposedly in the Gale Directory of Company Histories. This gives a history of Preserver Group Inc., which (according to this) grew out of the Motor Club of America/MCA. You find the 1926 start date here; that's the date the Green brothers established a motor club in New Jersey, which eventually became MCA. It also states that MCA sold the motor club business to JVL Holding Properties in 1996; I believe Virgil Coffee, who owns TVC Marketing Associates (the marketing arm of MCA), owns JVL.

There are folks out there selling the MCA benefits packages "legitimately", meaning that they are promoting the products/services and not necessarily the business opportunity. There have been testimonials in the MCA Facebook group of folks using the roadside service and being quite satisfied with the service they received.

In response to a comment on this thread, stating that MCA takes back commissions when someone cancels a membership...that's not a scam, that's called a "chargeback". The $80 commission you receive as a result of a $40 sale (a $19.95/mo membership package; they're paying for their first and last month) is an ADVANCE commission...if someone cancels their membership, you have to pay some of that commission back.

I'm not here to defend TVC/MCA, only to pass along additional information which I didn't see here in this thread. While I have heard of the Gale Directories, I did not personally confirm that this entry was indeed in the Directory.

Thanks,

Ellyn

littleroundman
01-05-2013, 08:18 PM
Welcome to REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) aislesofiles


You CAN sign up as an associate for free, sell the benefits packages and earn commissions.

In that one sentence, you have pointed out why serious potential MLMers should avoid MCA like the plague and why the internet is filled with get-rich-quickers touting MCA as being the next big thing

The fact you CAN sign up for free and CAN base earnings on recruiting is major red flag #1 for potential recruits and a major no no as far as the authorities are concerned.

If MCA doesn't move to quickly close the loophole which is allowing endless chain recruiting to happen, then that in itself is further evidence MCA is a company to be avoided by anyone contemplating joining.

Forget about the law for a minute, endless chain recruiting is illegal BECAUSE it doesn't work and BECAUSE it guarantees people low down the chain lose money.

MCA is definitely one for get-rich-quickers and definitely one to be avoided by anyone else.

wiineedmore
01-07-2013, 01:05 AM
Great thread guys. I love it. Good research, I have even learned from this thread.

If, you can sign up as a Sales associates without paying fee and be paid a commission to market their services that is Just like a Normal sales job. Commission based Job Not a Pyramid Scheme.

The reason why some associates promote the money and income potential is the same with any other marketing system and they is because the potential is there.
When Amway, Mary Kay and other various companies have a hotel meeting they promote the aspects of freedom, working from home and the ability to make a great income.

I hope I do not seem bias because I am a affiliate just joined a couple of months ago the highest pay out I have received for one week was just under $2000 but, I have used the service and it works just great in fact. I asked the company that came out and they said they also dispatch for AAA, All State and 8 other companies. What I promote about the company is the benefits then the income every does not want to sale service.

This is not a scheme, scam or a Ponzi but, real life, real services, helping real people.

ProfHenryHiggins
01-11-2013, 02:04 PM
Another gigantic reason to avoid MCA like bubonic plague... this man is promoting it:
http://www.facebook.com/phil.miranda?group_id=307438016032873


He was the spokesperson for both The People's Program and for ProfusionX when those gifting pyramids started up, and he still promotes and participates in the former. The Facebook group that I bumped into him on? It's a 2010blessings recruitment site. So he and his flunkies may be jumping en mass into that scam, too.

wiineedmore
01-13-2013, 03:46 AM
Another gigantic reason to avoid MCA like bubonic plague... this man is promoting it:
http://www.facebook.com/phil.miranda?group_id=307438016032873


He was the spokesperson for both The People's Program and for ProfusionX when those gifting pyramids started up, and he still promotes and participates in the former. The Facebook group that I bumped into him on? It's a 2010blessings recruitment site. So he and his flunkies may be jumping en mass into that scam, too.

Just because one guys promotes it does not deed it a scam or a scheme, your hatred for that individual has flawed your logic my friend.

iminfo
01-24-2013, 07:13 PM
I found this post very helpful. Especially this link here Preserver Group, Inc.: Information from Answers.com (http://www.answers.com/topic/preserver-group-inc). From there I went here Check Out a Business or Charity - Oklahoma City BBB for Preserver Group (http://oklahomacity.bbb.org/Find-Business-Reviews/name/Preserver+Group/) as you will see if you go there the Preserver Group Inc. does display an A+ rating and listed under Description: This company offers Property Casualty Company.

Additional Information
BBB file opened: January 21, 2003 Business started: 01/01/1933
Type of Entity

Corporation
Business Management
Patrick J. Haveron, CEO
Contact Information
Principal: Patrick J. Haveron, CEO
Business Category

Business Opportunity Companies

But here is what many people may miss upon checking this info about Property Casualty Company on the BBB website. Take a look at the email listed phaveron@twrgrp.com then go to twrgrp.com on this website they offer multiple types of insurance home, auto, business, loss control, etc. which I gather could make sense with some of what mca offers. When you type in Tower Group Companies into the BBB website they have no rating and twrgrp.com is still the listed website.

Additional Information
top
BBB file opened: June 07, 2011 Business started:
Business Category

Insurance - Homeowners

I am NOT a member of mca though I was considering. I just thought that I'd add a little additional info based on some great research that Ellyn did.

Make it a great day;


This is my first post, so I understand that it will be moderated.

In doing my own research on MCA/TVC (someone asked a question about whether MCA/TVC was accredited by the BBC in a MCA Facebook group) and I came across this thread. I decided to read through the thread, then decided to join so that I can share what information I have obtained.

**DISCLAIMER: I'll say this right up front...I did sign up as a free associate with TVC/MCA but did not purchase a membership benefits package. I do promote affiliate programs and when I first saw this, it was being promoted by many that you had to purchase a membership benefits package in order to be an affiliate, so I hesitated. I found out later that this was NOT true. You CAN sign up as an associate for free, sell the benefits packages and earn commissions. The folks saying otherwise was their way of getting a "cash grab" from their referrals and not being upfront about the company policies...not really the fault of the company, but of greedy marketers.

The constant question is: where is "official", "corporate" (in other words, objective and unbiased) information about the company? That was my first question because the majority of the entries returned from a google search are from associates' promotions. Someone finally directed me to this link: Preserver Group, Inc.: Information from Answers.com (http://www.answers.com/topic/preserver-group-inc)

This is an entry that is supposedly in the Gale Directory of Company Histories. This gives a history of Preserver Group Inc., which (according to this) grew out of the Motor Club of America/MCA. You find the 1926 start date here; that's the date the Green brothers established a motor club in New Jersey, which eventually became MCA. It also states that MCA sold the motor club business to JVL Holding Properties in 1996; I believe Virgil Coffee, who owns TVC Marketing Associates (the marketing arm of MCA), owns JVL.

There are folks out there selling the MCA benefits packages "legitimately", meaning that they are promoting the products/services and not necessarily the business opportunity. There have been testimonials in the MCA Facebook group of folks using the roadside service and being quite satisfied with the service they received.

In response to a comment on this thread, stating that MCA takes back commissions when someone cancels a membership...that's not a scam, that's called a "chargeback". The $80 commission you receive as a result of a $40 sale (a $19.95/mo membership package; they're paying for their first and last month) is an ADVANCE commission...if someone cancels their membership, you have to pay some of that commission back.

I'm not here to defend TVC/MCA, only to pass along additional information which I didn't see here in this thread. While I have heard of the Gale Directories, I did not personally confirm that this entry was indeed in the Directory.

Thanks,

Ellyn

artizhay
02-27-2013, 03:52 PM
Interesting conversation.

Anyway, since we're all preaching "verification," I guess we should all take a moment to verify the accusation that associates only earn from recruitment and that there is no retail aspect to the business. These two aspects are essential for it to be a pyramid scheme, and that is as stated by the FTC.

If research had been completed, one would see that an associate earns from both recruitment and consumer sales. The viable target market for the product is at least 153 million, the drivers of America according to US data. And a customer can go to the TVC website without clicking a sponsor link and purchase the product directly, without joining anyone's downline, or can purchase from an associate without ever joining the associate program, or without even ever logging into their account.

That's just some quick info. A full compilation of comparisons of MCA to the FTC's own properties of a pyramid scheme has been put together by me at this pastebin: Motor Club of America Information - Pastebin.com (http://pastebin.com/ghLiwuUc)

Good day.

xfed
03-03-2013, 10:51 PM
If you dig deep enough you will find MCA is officially"Motor Club of America Enterprises, Inc."

Motor Club of America Enterprises, Inc has a location in Oklahoma City, OK. Active officers include Virgil W. Coffee, Larry K. Melton and David K. Kircher. The company's line of business includes Motor Club.

direct dial: (405) 843-2745
Category: Motor ClubAutomobile owners' association
Filings: Foreign For-Profit Corporation (TX - Active)
Statement & Designation By Foreign Corporation (CA - Active)
Sources: California Secretary of State last refreshed 2/8/2013
Dun & Bradstreet last refreshed 2/8/2013
Texas Secretary of State last refreshed 2/8/2013

baylee
03-03-2013, 11:16 PM
Just because one guys promotes it does not deed it a scam or a scheme, your hatred for that individual has flawed your logic my friend.

Past history does indeed predict future actions!

littleroundman
03-03-2013, 11:30 PM
If research had been completed, one would see that an associate earns from both recruitment and consumer sales.

So, if an "associate" earns 1% of his/her income from "sales" and 99% of his/her income from "recruitment" that would be OK by you, then ???

SMART potential MCA recruits won't believe a "nudge, wink" compliance with the FTC regulations is an indicator of legitimacy.

Get-rich-quickers, on the other hand, will continue to spruik the benefits of endless chain recruiting, MCA style.

The problem is the very fact Motor Club of America members CAN earn based largely on recruiting and the MCA refuses to close the loophole in their business model which allows endless chain recruiting to take place.

Endless chain / pyramid schemes are illegal because they don't work for most participants and are based on lies and misrepresentation.

Participate at your own peril.

artizhay
03-04-2013, 09:19 PM
So, if an "associate" earns 1% of his/her income from "sales" and 99% of his/her income from "recruitment" that would be OK by you, then ???

SMART potential MCA recruits won't believe a "nudge, wink" compliance with the FTC regulations is an indicator of legitimacy.

Get-rich-quickers, on the other hand, will continue to spruik the benefits of endless chain recruiting, MCA style.

The problem is the very fact Motor Club of America members CAN earn based largely on recruiting and the MCA refuses to close the loophole in their business model which allows endless chain recruiting to take place.

Endless chain / pyramid schemes are illegal because they don't work for most participants and are based on lies and misrepresentation.

Participate at your own peril.
The distribution of income is entirely dependent on the associate, not MCA. My personal distribution is roughly 66% consumer 33% recruitment, not including downline commissions. MCA itself does not push recruitment like many MLM company leaders do.

Regardless, our discussions here are rather futile. Take Herbalife for example, which also has extreme potential from recruitment-backed income. Publicly traded company with real investors, and hedge fund managers can't even decide if it's a pyramid scheme or not, with one hedge fund buying shares of HLF to support its legitimacy.

So if prominent players in the financial field can't even agree on the legality of MLM, this thread - and frankly, maybe even the forum - is quite unnecessary, considering it would be unwise anyway to take legal advice on a forum from someone you don't even know, including myself.

baylee
03-04-2013, 09:39 PM
The distribution of income is entirely dependent on the associate, not MCA. My personal distribution is roughly 66% consumer 33% recruitment, not including downline commissions. MCA itself does not push recruitment like many MLM company leaders do.

Regardless, our discussions here are rather futile. Take Herbalife for example, which also has extreme potential from recruitment-backed income. Publicly traded company with real investors, and hedge fund managers can't even decide if it's a pyramid scheme or not, with one hedge fund buying shares of HLF to support its legitimacy.

So if prominent players in the financial field can't even agree on the legality of MLM, this thread - and frankly, maybe even the forum - is quite unnecessary, considering it would be unwise anyway to take legal advice on a forum from someone you don't even know, including myself.

After carefully reading this post, Christmas Turkey comes to my mind. Just my humble opinion! Yep! Christmas Turkey!

littleroundman
03-04-2013, 09:57 PM
The distribution of income is entirely dependent on the associate, not MCA. My personal distribution is roughly 66% consumer 33% recruitment, not including downline commissions.

YOUR situation is irrelevant to the question of whether or not MCA is a legitimate opportunity.

The very fact MCA members CAN profit mainly from recruitment is the red flag raised for people looking for a long term income opportunity.

"Pyramid" or "endless chain recruiting" schemes are illegal for a reason, not just because some regulator doesn't like the idea.

"Pyramid" or "endless chain recruiting" are guaranteed to fail AND the great majority of members will lose their money ESPECIALLY those such as you whose interest lies in product sales.

The fact MCA is heavily promoted on HYIP ponzi forums should also be another red flag for the astute potential member.

Legality aside, by participating in any MLM in which recruiting is allowed to remain as a primary income source, members are virtually condemning THEMSELVES to a futile struggle to make any sort of sustainable income.

IOW, if anyone is looking for a get-rich-quick scheme, MCA is right up their alley.

On the other hand, anyone looking for a legitimate MLM business would be well advised to stay clear.

Idontthinkso
03-06-2013, 02:36 PM
I can't believe that this forum has been going on about Motor Club of America being a scam. Just like I tell other forums, if you think its a scam 1) Don't join 2) Call the proper authorities i.e., Attorney General, Federal Trade Commission, or other agency or bureau that you believe can shut them down, 3) prove that it is a scam so this thread can end. Do you people realize that all while this forum has been spreading false lies about its scam, PEOPLE STILL GET PAID EVERY FRIDAY; If you don't join, PEOPLE STILL GET PAID. The program has been out since what, late 2011. Just imagine if you all would have got in on the ground floor, you wouldn't have time on your hands to be having a discussion about it being a scam. SCARED MONEY DOESN'T MAKE ANY MONEY!

Now Discuss that!

xxxmasterofselfxx
03-09-2013, 02:04 PM
Anyone in the U.S or Canada can be an associate and sell MCA. For FREE. Just click on "Become An Associate". Duh,obviously most people can not see this when they visit the TVC site. It is your fault if you do not. Don't blame the associate who got you to buy a membership if you didn't really want it.

With that said, yes its a SCAM to the general public. Why? No MASS MEDIA ADVERTISING. No PROFILE on BIG WEBSITES. Not BBB accredited (which in fact BBB has been reported as a guess what.....SCAM) Google that for starters. But no one talks about that when saying MCA or TVC isn't accredited with the BBB.

MCA nor TVC charges a fee to be an associate. Associates say that. Why? Well, mention $$$ and you'll actually look at what the service offers. On the other hand, not everyone cares if they can make money with a company. In fact, look at Sprint and its referal program. $25 per person you refer to switch to Sprint. But heres the catch, ONLY if you have the SPRINT service can you do this. Wait a minute, they charge to be an affiliate? Why aren't people calling them a scam on that level? BIG COMPANY,PAID ADVERTISING, consumers don't care. But its a RED FLAG when MCA TVC pays its associate to refer others to the service? REALLY?

MCA is a real product. If you like the service and decide to share it to others.....GO AHEAD. Earn money from it or not.

Chargebacks??? Yes they are there. But for what? Well if you werent paid an advanced commission, you would only make $4-$9 per referral.But since you are advanced, that goes to protecting the company if someone cancels early. Sure they can still lose money if an associate has charge backs on their account and they aren't generating any sales or just stop trying completely. I guess the SCAM concern is mainly because they give you advanced commission's right and not the standard?

Simply put, you do not have to join anything you do not want to. If you don't like the service or compensation.....STAY AWAY. If you want to attempt to prove its a scam, GO AHEAD...why not go viral with it if you're actually concerned for others.

You want the service? BUY IT. You can also be an associate IF you want while using the service.
Want to be an associate? SIGN UP. Check your back-office for sales support with TRAINING tips in .pdf format. Locate the proper license forms, get the W-9 form and associate form, read it over, sign it/fill out and send it in.

Peace & Bless.

William W. Green, 92 - Founded Motor Club - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/09/obituaries/william-w-green-92-founded-motor-club.html)

littleroundman
03-09-2013, 10:56 PM
yada,

yada,

justify,

rationalize,

lay blame,

distract.



If an "associate" CAN profit mainly from recruitment, it's both illegal and guaranteed to fail.

Get-rich-quickers will be attracted by the fact they can profit solely by recruiting,

smart and ethical people will not.

http://www.realscam.com/images/misc/realscam-logo1.gif

YOU decide if you want to be a get-rich-quicker or ethical and smart.

GeminiDogg
07-08-2013, 07:09 PM
If an "associate" CAN profit mainly from recruitment, it's both illegal and guaranteed to fail.

Get-rich-quickers will be attracted by the fact they can profit solely by recruiting,

smart and ethical people will not.

http://www.realscam.com/images/misc/realscam-logo1.gif

YOU decide if you want to be a get-rich-quicker or ethical and smart.

Guaranteed to fail? Well, I and many others are making money with MCA by signing up members who can benefits over $150,000 worth of services. Me thinks you however, is in a state of denial. :RpS_wink:

littleroundman
07-08-2013, 07:33 PM
I and many others are making money with MCA by signing up members who can benefits over $150,000 worth of services.

Which means what ??

* Because YOU are making money, it's legitimate ??

* Because SOMEONE is making money it's legitimate ??

* Because YOU aren't using recruiting as your main income source, it's legitimate ??

Let's take your premise to it's legitimate conclusion, shall we ??

Let's say you and two of your friends are "making money by signing up members" and 200,000 other people are "making money by signing others into an endless chain recruiting / pyramid scheme" would MCA still be legitimate ??

Take it a step further,

Let's say you and two of your friends are "making money by signing up members" and 200,000 other people are "making money by signing others into an endless chain recruiting / pyramid " and MCA did nothing to prevent the imbalance, would MCA still be legitimate ??

EagleOne
07-08-2013, 07:34 PM
Guaranteed to fail? Well, I and many others are making money with MCA by signing up members who can benefits over $150,000 worth of services. Me thinks you however, is in a state of denial. :RpS_wink:

You really should read about Zeek Rewards, ASD Cash Generator, TelexFree to see how lame your logic is regarding this illegal pyramid. It is no different than all the other illegal pyramids that have failed or been shut down by the authorities.

You seem to think that all one has to do is report them to the authorities and they come running to shut a program down, Investigations take time, and they have to have enough people filing complaints for them to take action. The mere fact they have not YET, does not mean they won't in the future; nor does it mean this is a legal program. All any of you pimps of MCA have managed to do is provide bluster, obfuscation, smoke and mirrors straight out of the Scammers Playbook.

In the scheme of things, MCA is nothing more than a flea floating down the river on its back with an erection yelling "Raise the drawbridge." That's how insginificant MCA is to the authorities. They have far bigger fish to fry than this joke of a program. The old adage, "A fool and his money are soon parted," will soon play out here all by itself. No help needed from the "evil government."

You seem to be mistaken that those of us here are newbs and don't know any better, and you think you can BS your way to make us believe your BS. Think again.

GeminiDogg
07-09-2013, 02:57 PM
Eagle One, you're a freaking clown. Eagle Research Associates? Give me a break! Probably You can keep saying MCA's a scam, a pyramid all you want till your voice give out, but the fact is MCA offers the same kind of Motor Club Services the way AAA does, except we people a peace of mind of over $150,000 worth of benefits and I get paid for it. If AAA decided offers the same opportunity the way MCA does, will you call it a scam? Another thing, how you could called it a pyramid, when I sell only memberships and not recruiting a single soul. You're a ass clown, dude. Go play with yourself.

kschang
07-09-2013, 03:20 PM
Another thing, how you could called it a pyramid, when I sell only memberships and not recruiting a single soul.

You see a difference between selling membership vs. recruiting a member? Pray tell, what is the difference?

And keep your potty mouth to yourself. I'm sure there's some place you can lick on yourself.

GeminiDogg
07-09-2013, 03:58 PM
You see a difference between selling membership vs. recruiting a member? Pray tell, what is the difference?

And keep your potty mouth to yourself. I'm sure there's some place you can lick on yourself.

Maybe it's you who don't know the difference of selling a membership, pal. Like I said before, I only sell membership, not recruiting. If I do wanna recruit someone to sell the MCA membership
I can do that; but I chose not to.

And keep your dirty thoughts to yourself, ass clown.

littleroundman
07-09-2013, 05:52 PM
You see a difference between selling membership vs. recruiting a member? Pray tell, what is the difference?

And keep your potty mouth to yourself. I'm sure there's some place you can lick on yourself.

Unfortunately it seems Mr Dogg is representative of a large number of multi level marketers who live by the rule of the jungle "as long as I get mine, screw everyone else"

No matter how many times it is pointed out to him/them that the problem is not with what HE does, the problem lies in the fact others CAN profit from MCA members based solely on recruting others into an endless chain recruiting system AND the fact MCA has done nothing to prevent such a situation occurring.

As has been said before, smart MLMers will keep away from MCA and leave it to the get-rich-quick brigade

GeminiDogg
07-09-2013, 06:39 PM
Unfortunately it seems Mr Dogg is representative of a large number of multi level marketers who live by the rule of the jungle "as long as I get mine, screw everyone else"

No matter how many times it is pointed out to him/them that the problem is not with what HE does, the problem lies in the fact others CAN profit from MCA members based solely on recruting others into an endless chain recruiting system AND the fact MCA has done nothing to prevent such a situation occurring.

As has been said before, smart MLMers will keep away from MCA and leave it to the get-rich-quick brigade

Well littleroundman, since you're so mind is full of ignorance, and wanted to talk behind my back with Mr. Kschang, that's okay, I can take a hint. But its apparently that you're just simply too gutless to have a one-on-one debate with me about MCA; Also, did I read this right? You said that "others CAN profit from MCA members based solely on recruiting others into an endless chain recruiting system???" Apparently to me that you just don't like normal people to making money in any sales companies whether its MCA or Metlife. Let me remind you that we have over 9,000,000 motor club members in TVC/MCA and there's only 50,000 reps in the company. Taking about total stupidity on your part. #smh!

littleroundman
07-09-2013, 07:24 PM
But its apparently that you're just simply too gutless to have a one-on-one debate with me about MCA;

Nah,

it's a lot more simple than me being "gutless"

I just don't care what you think.

I'm posting for those readers who are considering joining MCA and looking for more information than a multitude of "I got paid" posts from get-rich-quickers and the HYIP ponzi crowd.

MLM companies that not only allow, but actively encourage "endless chain recruiting" in their membership notoriously don't end well for the great majority of members, and, even more importantly by far the greatest majority of members will NEVER break even, despite their best efforts.

Throw in the fact MCA is one of the current darlings of the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums such as Talkgold and MMG, and you can almost hear the footsteps of legitimate MLMers running away in droves.

kschang
07-10-2013, 01:14 AM
Maybe it's you who don't know the difference of selling a membership, pal. Like I said before, I only sell membership, not recruiting.

You recruited a member (who paid membership fee) is no different than you sold a membership.

Perhaps what you meant to say is you recruit an associate, but you sell MotorClub membership to a member. But it appears that you can't articulate the difference. I suggest a brain surgeon to fix your aphasia.

EagleOne
07-10-2013, 02:20 AM
Eagle One, you're a freaking clown. Eagle Research Associates? Give me a break! Probably You can keep saying MCA's a scam, a pyramid all you want till your voice give out, but the fact is MCA offers the same kind of Motor Club Services the way AAA does, except we people a peace of mind of over $150,000 worth of benefits and I get paid for it. If AAA decided offers the same opportunity the way MCA does, will you call it a scam? Another thing, how you could called it a pyramid, when I sell only memberships and not recruiting a single soul. You're a ass clown, dude. Go play with yourself.

Seriously, this is the best you could do? Your pathetic insults don't even make my top 5000 of insults I have received. Surely you can do better than this, for if you can't you need to stop while you are behind. At least I have something to play with unlike you.

GeminiDogg
07-10-2013, 06:26 PM
Seriously, this is the best you could do? Your pathetic insults don't even make my top 5000 of insults I have received. Surely you can do better than this, for if you can't you need to stop while you are behind. At least I have something to play with unlike you.

I don't see you making waves your damn self to prove that MCA's a scam. One thing is sure though; I'm making serious money making people's lives a little better, while you crying chicken little behind your little room. Talking about pathetic. LOL!!

littleroundman
07-10-2013, 06:36 PM
I don't see you making waves

So, unless mighty center-of-the-universe GeminiDogg sees it, then it ain't happening, is that what you're saying ????

See the logo in the top left hand corner of your screen ??

http://www.realscam.com/images/misc/realscam-logo1.gif

All we suggest is that "YOU decide" and YOU obviously have decided.

GeminiDogg
07-10-2013, 06:37 PM
You recruited a member (who paid membership fee) is no different than you sold a membership.

Perhaps what you meant to say is you recruit an associate, but you sell MotorClub membership to a member. But it appears that you can't articulate the difference. I suggest a brain surgeon to fix your aphasia.

I'm Brain Damage?? Speak for yourself, and read my last note: Did I ever said I sell Membership to members? NO! Maybe you need a brain surgery yourself to articulate a little better, son. Some scam-buster you've turned out to be. :RpS_wink:

littleroundman
07-10-2013, 07:16 PM
I'm Brain Damage??

No, you are GeminiDogg.

"Brain damage" is what you're displaying signs of.

EagleOne
07-10-2013, 09:10 PM
I don't see you making waves your damn self to prove that MCA's a scam. One thing is sure though; I'm making serious money making people's lives a little better, while you crying chicken little behind your little room. Talking about pathetic. LOL!!

Now that is one of the funniest things you have posted here. You have no clue what I am or am not doing about proving this is an illegal pyramid. You can't see this is an illegal pyramid, so how in the world could you see what I am doing? :RpS_lol: Give it up while you are behind.

kschang
07-10-2013, 09:39 PM
I'm Brain Damage?? Speak for yourself, and read my last note: Did I ever said I sell Membership to members? NO!


You wrote "I sell membership". Clearly, whoever bought the membership (from you) becomes a member, whom you recruited. So?

Furthermore, aphasia is a condition or symptom of brain damage. You clearly can't *be* "brain damage". That's not even proper grammar. Which only proves you actually *do* have aphasia (or horrible grammar).

littleroundman
07-10-2013, 09:47 PM
You wrote "I sell membership". Clearly, whoever bought the membership (from you) becomes a member, whom you recruited. So?

Nah, in true pseudo-MLM fashion, Mr Dogg is going to claim the guy came running up to him and begged to be allowed to join MCA, so, technically he didn't actually "recruit" anyone

ribshaw
07-11-2013, 08:19 AM
Check Out These Benefits Include:

- Emergency Roadside Assistance- Free towing 100 miles
- $80 Per Referral Brought In( 19.95 plan- Best plan)
- $500 Arrest Bond Certificate
- $2,000 In Attorney Fees
- $25,000 Bail Bond/Felony
- 24 Hour Coverage If Injured
- Travel Assistance/Trip Planning
- $500 Emergency Room Cash
- $5,000 Stolen Vehicle Reward
- Up to a 65% Discount On Prescriptions
-Up to a 50% Discount on Dental & Vision
- $50,000 Accidental Death
- $1,000 Credit Card Protection
- $54,750 In Hospital Coverage Paid Directly To You

I was flipping through the tread, and one thing came to mind what does a consumer membership cost? I did not see it quoted, but from Ripoff Report | Motor Club of America (MCA) www.mcamotorclubofamerica.com (http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Motor-Club-of-America-MCA-wwwmcamotorclubofamericacom/internet/Motor-Club-of-America-MCA-wwwmcamotorclubofamericacom-MCA-GWP-Get-Weekly-Paychecks-977330) Complaint Review Internet: 977330 the best I can come up with is $9.99 per month. $120 a year. I just renewed my AAA membership which has similar benefits for $79. For $20 or more I could have upgraded to the super duper plan with even more crap I don't need.

When I was in high school and college and drove a crappy car, and cars were in general broke down more than they do today AAA was worth it. Lately, not so much. Other than towing and roadside assistance the rest of those benefits cost almost nothing to administer. Just picking on one, "Hospital Coverage" the benefit is $150 per day you are an inpatient in the hospital. The chances of someone spending 365 days in the hospital, almost 0. And I suspect this confinement has some exclusions, like say accident related.

As with many "programs" the commission paid to all these folks has to come from somewhere. In this case $120-$79 = $41 excess paid over the "value" of a membership. I just don't know of too many businesses other than MLM that operate with that model. And therein lies the problem for most that undertake this venture.

190parker
07-22-2013, 10:40 PM
Ok Motor club of america is a great company It always pays me on time and I refer people to the services they offer not the compensation plan. I love how i make commission, overrides residual income. By the way Ive made so much money with MCA. It has changed my life. The point of MCA is to find people who actually need these services not to just recruit random people who dont care for the services. Look I have been in this company and I have made over $100,000 with this company. I love it and I'll never look at another MLM company ever again. If you are just starting with MCA and you need help call me XXX XXX XXXX. I can get you in the right direction. MCA is POWERFUL and people like this guy are powerless. Remember people its all up to you when it comes to business. JOIN MCA NOW call XXX XXX XXXX. MY group is the most professional in the business WE REALLY TRAIN AND SPONSOR OUR TEAM.

[phone number removed by mod]

ProfHenryHiggins
07-22-2013, 10:51 PM
Ok Motor club of america is a great company It always pays me on time and I refer people to the services they offer not the compensation plan. I love how i make commission, overrides residual income. By the way Ive made so much money with MCA. It has changed my life. The point of MCA is to find people who actually need these services not to just recruit random people who dont care for the services. Look I have been in this company and I have made over $100,000 with this company. I love it and I'll never look at another MLM company ever again. If you are just starting with MCA and you need help call me 707 SPAM-IAM. I can get you in the right direction. MCA is POWERFUL and people like this guy are powerless. Remember people its all up to you when it comes to business. JOIN MCA NOW call 707 SPAM-IAM. MY group is the most professional in the business WE REALLY TRAIN AND SPONSOR OUR TEAM.


Jay,
If you wish to come here and defend your business, you may. But spamming us with ads for your personal phone number is not going to be well-received. How would you like it if one of us showed up on your 1micmusic.com site and tried to force Beethoven down the throats of rap fans?

ribshaw
07-23-2013, 09:11 PM
I just happened on this guys video on U-tube previously I had looked at AAA versus MCA. He has found a company previously mentioned on this thread where the benefits line up much more closely to MCA. His conclusion seems the same, even for the same benefits you can get it for less money.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Ta1eIcXkQ

GeminiDogg
08-08-2013, 05:01 PM
No Ribshaw, it's not the same. MCA also has a benefit package which is the same price as AAA.

GeminiDogg
08-08-2013, 05:05 PM
Littleroundman, you and Mr Chang sure know how to dream up a stories about people very good. However guys, continue with your ignorance about MCA. Chances are that this will be your down fall.

ribshaw
08-08-2013, 07:31 PM
No Ribshaw, it's not the same. MCA also has a benefit package which is the same price as AAA.

Please for Ribshaw's benefit if you could display it. Maybe even do a cost benefit breakdown of the three plans.
This was all I could find on the website motorclubofamericaplans (http://www.mcamotorclubofamerica.com/threeplans.html). Which I assume is the official website. But there is so much CRAP when I google MCA who can really say, so better set me straight on that too.

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National Motor Club mentioned in the above video.

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Here are benefits and quotes from AAA simple enough to find.

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ribshaw
08-08-2013, 08:19 PM
No Ribshaw, it's not the same. MCA also has a benefit package which is the same price as AAA.


Maybe this is the official website, I hope so the layout is much more visually appealing than the first. Total Security - Motor Club of America (http://www.motorclubamerica.net/memberships/total-security/)

This is the the first plan I saw available, same as the other official website. If there is something else, why is it not offered? And again, would be happy to see your analysis of the costs and benefits. But I am not seeing $180 per year more in goodies over what AAA offers. Arrest and Bail Bonds of $25000 sounds nice, but bail bondsmen do the same thing so you would really need to expand on what the bond costs. And maybe I am an outlier, but I have never needed to post bail. Credit card protection again sounds nice, but everyone who is a victim of a lost of stolen credit card is limited to the first $50 loss. The credit card company covers the rest of the loss, so what's with the other $950?



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EagleOne
08-09-2013, 02:09 AM
Now Ribshaw don't go confusing gemindogg with facts. After all, MCA has to charge a ton more for the same services so they can pay all the layers of affiliates to sell their over-priced service. Are we sure they aren't really called Motor Cult of America?

Since MCA is such a great deal, I think AAA should immediately stop their current program and switch to MCA's program. Just think how richer everyone would be. Since I know the President of AAA, I will give him a call and tell him about the error of his ways and he is not using the right business model. I am sure he will want to change their business model immediately.

Of course he could also think I have lost my marbles and when he stops laughing ask me if I need meds.

Gregg
08-09-2013, 02:35 AM
Better yet, MCA can just charge the larger amount, sign the mark up for AAA and pocket the difference!

ladyb2020
03-09-2014, 08:50 AM
NO MOTOR CLUB OF AMERICA IS NOT A SCAM, IM GOING TO BE REAL WITH YOU IF YOU SAY IT IS THEN YOU ARE IGNORANT JUST LIKE THOSE WHO STONED JESUS,,,YOU ARE JUST AS IGNORANT AS THERE WERE,, AND DON'T TAKE A OFFENSE TO IT CAUSE THE MEANING OF IGNORANT IS THE LACK OF KNOWLEGE OF SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW.SO LETS GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS YOU HAVE A PRODUCT TO SELL AND YOU GET BENEFITS BUT YOU STILL DON'T DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ON YOUTUBE....ONNNNN YOUTUBE.!!!!!!!! DOING THIS NOT ONE......NOT ONE BUT MILLIONS...AND YOU IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW MANY OF YOU CAN PULL YOUR OWN AUTO INSURANCE COMPANY UP THAT YOU GO TO, TO PAY YOUR BILL ON YOUR INSURANCE ON BBB??? LETS GET REAL, NOW ITS PLASTERED ALL OVER THE INTERNET AND YES IT IS A PYRAMID, BUT IS IT A SCHEME NO! NO IT IS NOT IF IT WAS A SCAM THERE WOULD NOT BE MANY PEOPLE ON THERE SAYING THEY GOT PAID AN FLASHING MONEY...SORRY BUT IF I HAD 10,000 JUST SITTING IN MY BANK I BE DAMNED IF IM GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY OUT MY WAY JUST TO SHOW PROOF THAT I GOT IT AN IT WAS NOT FROM MCA...GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE...LOL BUT FOR THOSE WHO JUST SAY OH ITS A SCAM,,,I GOT MY CARD BUT I NEVER EVEN USED IT AND I KNOW ITS A SCAM....I GOT MY CARD WHEN I WAS IN IT ALSO AN I GOT TOWED ANYWHERE UP TO 100 MILES...FOR FREE SO PLEASE DO TELL ME WHO IS REALLY FAKE CAUSE HELL I GOT STATE FARM INSURANCE AND THEY MUTHA F**KIN A**ES TRIED TO CHARGE ME AND I PAY ALREADY WITH THEM....SO IT'S NOT FAKE YOU NON BELIEVERS YOU JUST DO NOT HAVE FAITH IN ANYTHING THAT'S ONLINE THAT WOULD WORK UNLESS IT COSTED YOU A ARM AN A LEG....AND ANOTHER THING IF YOU THINK ITS STILL A SCAM PLEASE TELL ME WHY THERE IS A COP...YES I SAID IT A F**KIN COP DOING IT HE IS EVEN ONLINE MAKING MONEY SO IF YOU STILL DON'T BELIEVE AINT NOBODY GOING TO PULL YOUR ARM JUST TO MAKE YOU...THAT'S YOU AN YOUR NONSENSE. BUT HAVE RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO ARE TRYING AND YEAH SO WHAT I'AM ON REALSCAMS.COM CAUSE I'AM CHALLENGING YOU PEOPLE TO DARE TO GO AN SEE THE RESULTS OF MCA,,,DARE TO GO WATCH THE VIDEO'S AND IF YOU HAVE THE F**KING CARD ALREADY I ...DARE YOU TO GO TRY IT SOMEWHERE ...AND WHEN YOU SEE IT WORKS PLEASE RECORD YOUR FACE SO WE CAN SEE HOW DUMB YOU LOOKED TO TRY AN PROVE EVERYONE IT WAS A SCAM. LMFAO.

OH YEAH HERE'S A PROOF VIDEO IF THEY LET ME SHARE IT ABOUT THE COP IN MCA...IN HIS UNIFORM...ON HIS JOB DOING MCA

COP CALLS OUT MCA SCAM?? - YouTube (http://youtu.be/LWWoRY_GWAQ)

baylee
03-09-2014, 10:11 AM
NO MOTOR CLUB OF AMERICA IS NOT A SCAM, IM GOING TO BE REAL WITH YOU IF YOU SAY IT IS THEN YOU ARE IGNORANT JUST LIKE THOSE WHO STONED JESUS,,,YOU ARE JUST AS IGNORANT AS THERE WERE,, AND DON'T TAKE A OFFENSE TO IT CAUSE THE MEANING OF IGNORANT IS THE LACK OF KNOWLEGE OF SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW.SO LETS GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS YOU HAVE A PRODUCT TO SELL AND YOU GET BENEFITS BUT YOU STILL DON'T DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ON YOUTUBE....ONNNNN YOUTUBE.!!!!!!!! DOING THIS NOT ONE......NOT ONE BUT MILLIONS...AND YOU IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW MANY OF YOU CAN PULL YOUR OWN AUTO INSURANCE COMPANY UP THAT YOU GO TO, TO PAY YOUR BILL ON YOUR INSURANCE ON BBB??? LETS GET REAL, NOW ITS PLASTERED ALL OVER THE INTERNET AND YES IT IS A PYRAMID, BUT IS IT A SCHEME NO! NO IT IS NOT IF IT WAS A SCAM THERE WOULD NOT BE MANY PEOPLE ON THERE SAYING THEY GOT PAID AN FLASHING MONEY...SORRY BUT IF I HAD 10,000 JUST SITTING IN MY BANK I BE DAMNED IF IM GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY OUT MY WAY JUST TO SHOW PROOF THAT I GOT IT AN IT WAS NOT FROM MCA...GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE...LOL BUT FOR THOSE WHO JUST SAY OH ITS A SCAM,,,I GOT MY CARD BUT I NEVER EVEN USED IT AND I KNOW ITS A SCAM....I GOT MY CARD WHEN I WAS IN IT ALSO AN I GOT TOWED ANYWHERE UP TO 100 MILES...FOR FREE SO PLEASE DO TELL ME WHO IS REALLY FAKE CAUSE HELL I GOT STATE FARM INSURANCE AND THEY MUTHA F**KIN A**ES TRIED TO CHARGE ME AND I PAY ALREADY WITH THEM....SO IT'S NOT FAKE YOU NON BELIEVERS YOU JUST DO NOT HAVE FAITH IN ANYTHING THAT'S ONLINE THAT WOULD WORK UNLESS IT COSTED YOU A ARM AN A LEG....AND ANOTHER THING IF YOU THINK ITS STILL A SCAM PLEASE TELL ME WHY THERE IS A COP...YES I SAID IT A F**KIN COP DOING IT HE IS EVEN ONLINE MAKING MONEY SO IF YOU STILL DON'T BELIEVE AINT NOBODY GOING TO PULL YOUR ARM JUST TO MAKE YOU...THAT'S YOU AN YOUR NONSENSE. BUT HAVE RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO ARE TRYING AND YEAH SO WHAT I'AM ON REALSCAMS.COM CAUSE I'AM CHALLENGING YOU PEOPLE TO DARE TO GO AN SEE THE RESULTS OF MCA,,,DARE TO GO WATCH THE VIDEO'S AND IF YOU HAVE THE F**KING CARD ALREADY I ...DARE YOU TO GO TRY IT SOMEWHERE ...AND WHEN YOU SEE IT WORKS PLEASE RECORD YOUR FACE SO WE CAN SEE HOW DUMB YOU LOOKED TO TRY AN PROVE EVERYONE IT WAS A SCAM. LMFAO.

OH YEAH HERE'S A PROOF VIDEO IF THEY LET ME SHARE IT ABOUT THE COP IN MCA...IN HIS UNIFORM...ON HIS JOB DOING MCA

COP CALLS OUT MCA SCAM?? - YouTube (http://youtu.be/LWWoRY_GWAQ)

You answered yourself! It is an Illegal Pyramid and A Scam!!! You did good! LOL

Whip
03-09-2014, 02:46 PM
NO MOTOR CLUB OF AMERICA IS NOT A SCAM, IM GOING TO BE REAL WITH YOU IF YOU SAY IT IS THEN YOU ARE IGNORANT JUST LIKE THOSE WHO STONED JESUS,,,YOU ARE JUST AS IGNORANT AS THERE WERE,, AND DON'T TAKE A OFFENSE TO IT CAUSE THE MEANING OF IGNORANT IS THE LACK OF KNOWLEGE OF SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW.SO LETS GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS YOU HAVE A PRODUCT TO SELL AND YOU GET BENEFITS BUT YOU STILL DON'T DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ON YOUTUBE....ONNNNN YOUTUBE.!!!!!!!! DOING THIS NOT ONE......NOT ONE BUT MILLIONS...AND YOU IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW MANY OF YOU CAN PULL YOUR OWN AUTO INSURANCE COMPANY UP THAT YOU GO TO, TO PAY YOUR BILL ON YOUR INSURANCE ON BBB??? LETS GET REAL, NOW ITS PLASTERED ALL OVER THE INTERNET AND YES IT IS A PYRAMID, BUT IS IT A SCHEME NO! NO IT IS NOT IF IT WAS A SCAM THERE WOULD NOT BE MANY PEOPLE ON THERE SAYING THEY GOT PAID AN FLASHING MONEY...SORRY BUT IF I HAD 10,000 JUST SITTING IN MY BANK I BE DAMNED IF IM GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY OUT MY WAY JUST TO SHOW PROOF THAT I GOT IT AN IT WAS NOT FROM MCA...GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE...LOL BUT FOR THOSE WHO JUST SAY OH ITS A SCAM,,,I GOT MY CARD BUT I NEVER EVEN USED IT AND I KNOW ITS A SCAM....I GOT MY CARD WHEN I WAS IN IT ALSO AN I GOT TOWED ANYWHERE UP TO 100 MILES...FOR FREE SO PLEASE DO TELL ME WHO IS REALLY FAKE CAUSE HELL I GOT STATE FARM INSURANCE AND THEY MUTHA F**KIN A**ES TRIED TO CHARGE ME AND I PAY ALREADY WITH THEM....SO IT'S NOT FAKE YOU NON BELIEVERS YOU JUST DO NOT HAVE FAITH IN ANYTHING THAT'S ONLINE THAT WOULD WORK UNLESS IT COSTED YOU A ARM AN A LEG....AND ANOTHER THING IF YOU THINK ITS STILL A SCAM PLEASE TELL ME WHY THERE IS A COP...YES I SAID IT A F**KIN COP DOING IT HE IS EVEN ONLINE MAKING MONEY SO IF YOU STILL DON'T BELIEVE AINT NOBODY GOING TO PULL YOUR ARM JUST TO MAKE YOU...THAT'S YOU AN YOUR NONSENSE. BUT HAVE RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO ARE TRYING AND YEAH SO WHAT I'AM ON REALSCAMS.COM CAUSE I'AM CHALLENGING YOU PEOPLE TO DARE TO GO AN SEE THE RESULTS OF MCA,,,DARE TO GO WATCH THE VIDEO'S AND IF YOU HAVE THE F**KING CARD ALREADY I ...DARE YOU TO GO TRY IT SOMEWHERE ...AND WHEN YOU SEE IT WORKS PLEASE RECORD YOUR FACE SO WE CAN SEE HOW DUMB YOU LOOKED TO TRY AN PROVE EVERYONE IT WAS A SCAM. LMFAO.

OH YEAH HERE'S A PROOF VIDEO IF THEY LET ME SHARE IT ABOUT THE COP IN MCA...IN HIS UNIFORM...ON HIS JOB DOING MCA
removed scam video

You are not getting your money back. No matter how much you yell.

kschang
03-16-2014, 12:50 PM
Arguing with real facts is hardly required, is it?

GeminiDogg
07-19-2014, 12:52 PM
How is it a Illegal Pyramid by signing up customers? Can you explain that to me

GeminiDogg
07-19-2014, 12:58 PM
Kshang, you don't know anything about facts if it hits you in the face.

kschang
07-19-2014, 01:21 PM
You haven't hit me with anything except hot air.

kschang
07-19-2014, 01:25 PM
How is it a Illegal Pyramid by signing up customers? Can you explain that to me

Because you can't tell if it's actually customers... or affiliates who were told they can earn money by signing up themselves AND additional people.

Go read the Burnlounge appeal decision about "intent of consumer" as the primary determinant on whether something is a pyramid scheme or not. The shades are indeed GRAY in MCA.

path2prosperity
07-19-2014, 03:14 PM
Just look at the bottom right of your screen to see the serial ponzi pimp Paula Frye's promotional video Motor Club of America (http://mca.biz/fryeteam/)

MCA The Frye team. (http://mca.biz/fryeteam/)

What the likes of Russo or Frye are hawking anything RUN

littleroundman
07-20-2014, 12:46 AM
Kshang, you don't know anything about facts if it hits you in the face.

And a rolling stone gathers no moss.

Right, now we have the cliches out of the way, how about YOU hit us up with a few facts of your own

GeminiDogg
08-13-2014, 06:24 PM
Because you can't tell if it's actually customers... or affiliates who were told they can earn money by signing up themselves AND additional people.

Go read the Burnlounge appeal decision about "intent of consumer" as the primary determinant on whether something is a pyramid scheme or not. The shades are indeed GRAY in MCA.

You haven't answered my question. How is MCA a illegal pyramid when you signing up people to become members for roadside services? Instead, you're referring to a company that overcharged it's customers for a dying music industry.

GeminiDogg
08-13-2014, 06:41 PM
And a rolling stone gathers no moss.

Right, now we have the cliches out of the way, how about YOU hit us up with a few facts of your own

And if ignorance is bliss, how happy are you?

littleroundman
08-13-2014, 07:25 PM
So,

no facts from GeminiDogg once again.

Situation normal.

kschang
08-17-2014, 11:41 PM
You haven't answered my question. How is MCA a illegal pyramid when you signing up people to become members for roadside services? Instead, you're referring to a company that overcharged it's customers for a dying music industry.

MCA charges 20-30 a month for what AAA charges 70 a year.

Your turn.

GeminiDogg
08-21-2014, 05:11 PM
Thanks for proving my point that you don't know what you're talking about. Have a nice day.

GeminiDogg
08-21-2014, 05:13 PM
MCA charges 20-30 a month for what AAA charges 70 a year.

Your turn.

thanks for proving my point that you had no clue what you're talking about. :/

EagleOne
08-21-2014, 05:54 PM
GeminiDogg: In response to your question, How is MCA a illegal pyramid when you signing up people to become members for roadside services? Let me address this with a simple question before I rspond:

Can you sign me up as a customer for MCA services without me becoming a representative of the company? It is a simple yes or no answer. I look forward to your reply.

kschang
08-22-2014, 11:02 PM
thanks for proving my point that you had no clue what you're talking about. :/

Thanks for throwing an insult when you could have provided an explanation, thus illustrating your immaturity and lack of knowledge.

kschang
08-22-2014, 11:05 PM
GeminiDogg: In response to your question, How is MCA a illegal pyramid when you signing up people to become members for roadside services? Let me address this with a simple question before I rspond:

Can you sign me up as a customer for MCA services without me becoming a representative of the company? It is a simple yes or no answer. I look forward to your reply.

I know the answer, as I've actually done the full research on this, but I'm waiting for GD's answer. Now's he's chance to prove I don't know what I'm talking about, but then, I do. It's up to him to prove I don't.

GeminiDogg
08-24-2014, 06:44 PM
You needed to be insulted because you're such a BIG DUMMY! :loser:

GeminiDogg
08-24-2014, 06:45 PM
Thanks for throwing an insult when you could have provided an explanation, thus illustrating your immaturity and lack of knowledge.

You need to be insulted because you're such a big DUMMY when tried to prove that MCA is a scam :watching_you:

GeminiDogg
08-24-2014, 06:49 PM
GeminiDogg: In response to your question, How is MCA a illegal pyramid when you signing up people to become members for roadside services? Let me address this with a simple question before I rspond:

Can you sign me up as a customer for MCA services without me becoming a representative of the company? It is a simple yes or no answer. I look forward to your reply.

Absolutely! There's NO OBLIGATION for any member of Motor Club of America to become an associate, and vice-versa. You can signed yourself up to this link.
https://www.tvcmatrix.com/secure/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=9135

kschang
08-24-2014, 11:07 PM
You need to be insulted because you're such a big DUMMY when tried to prove that MCA is a scam :watching_you:

You're such a big dummy because you assumed that I did such a thing. I was actually quite neutral on it.

I posted this back in October 2012 (http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/10/update-on-motor-club-of-america-mca-and.html)



https://www.tvcmatrix.com/TVC_Independent_Contractors_Agreement.pdf

The point you need to know is this one:

17. No product purchase by the Associate is required. Data/processing fees will be deducted from earned commissions and bonuses. Associates may sell memberships and earn commissions on sales.

Thus, apparently it is NOT necessary to join MCA (or TVC) to enroll as an associate and earn money. However, it is still unknown just how many people actually know of this option.


Therefore, I agree with you.

And since you just called me a dummy, so are you.

Your move.

EagleOne
08-24-2014, 11:16 PM
Absolutely! There's NO OBLIGATION for any member of Motor Club of America to become an associate, and vice-versa. You can signed yourself up to this link.
https://www.tvcmatrix.com/secure/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=9135

I asked if "YOU" could sell me the service plan of MCA, but you gave me a link for me to sign myself up. Why? Can't you sell me the membership program that I want? The link you provided only allows for me to purchase the basic plan. Why is it the only plan listed? If you can't sell me the plan of my choosing, how do you have retail customers? You are aware that the FTC says that 51% of all your income from a MLM program must come from retail sales, not from people in your upline or downline, right?

PS: GD: I did see the link where the other plans are listed, but rather odd it was done that way. I look forward to your answering my other questions.

kschang
08-26-2014, 03:41 AM
Did GD there fell off his chair in surprise and sprained his brain? ;)

EagleOne
08-28-2014, 12:43 AM
GeminiDogg: Where did you go? My questions weren't too hard for you to answer were they? I was expecting you to reply immediately, but here it is 4 days later and no response. Now this wouldn't mean that you cannot answer them and this is an illegal pyramid scheme now would it?

kschang
08-29-2014, 03:27 AM
Must be a full bout of concussion then. ;)

kschang
08-31-2014, 09:02 PM
A whole week. Are we looking at a full-fledge coma?

EagleOne
09-01-2014, 03:40 PM
A whole week. Are we looking at a full-fledge coma?

I think GeminiDogg finally figured out how we could call this an illegal pyramid scheme. It could be that almost all of his downline quit because they couldn't sign people up and weren't making any money like the promoters claimed. I am going with it being both, not that it matters. This is still an illegal pyramid scheme disguised as a MLM program.

skatevibeguy
10-14-2014, 02:48 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Club_of_America

feel free to add to the wiki while its still up

littleroundman
10-14-2014, 03:09 AM
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OOPS !!

Too late

littleroundman
01-07-2015, 09:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y0Xsh9IYdVc

Rodney Walker - Scamming/Stealing from reps !!! - NO B.S.!!!

JustTooMuchTime
01-07-2015, 10:29 PM
Pretty interesting, except when he calls MCA a wonderful, wonderful company.

kath
01-07-2015, 10:32 PM
you people are truely awesome! Just the other day I saw this scammertunity on somebodys facebook page and thought, WTF? i hadn't ever heard of it before, but figured it had to be a scam just based on the graphic of the fb group.
What i love about this fotum is how you back statements up with citations and other pesky things like facts

kath
01-08-2015, 08:19 AM
Below is at least the text of what is shown on Facebook. Can't figure out how to display the graphic that is also there....just not that good at this computer sleuthing stuff, but the verbage alone shows what a scam this thing is!

Why are people FLOCKING to join me in MCA? Because they see the VALUE. $150,000 in benefits they NEED for just $19/mo., and the SIMPLE opportunity to earn THOUSANDS per week just sharing these benefits. I'll TEACH you to do this on Facebook, and my TEAM will help you grow.
Quit Struggling by Yourself >> *** ADD ME *** *** IN-BOX ME ***
‪#‎mca‬ ‪#‎makemoneyonline‬ ‪#‎workfromhome‬ ‪#‎paychecknation‬
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Lewis Syring If you want an AUTOMATED marketing system to put this on AUTOPILOT, even if you're ALREADY in MCA, then you gotta see this! >> mcapaydays.com (http://www.MCApaydays.com)
November 16, 2014 at 1:09pm •
Lewis Syring ** PROOF VIDEO ** >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2yMgRykJys



Paycheck Nation | ROCKS MCA!! | $410 on AUTOPILOT!

littleroundman
01-08-2015, 09:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2yMgRykJys

Paycheck Nation | ROCKS MCA!! | $410 on AUTOPILOT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2yMgRykJys&feature=player_detailpage

Paycheck Nation | ROCKS MCA!! | $410 on AUTOPILOT!

It takes a special sort of person to fall for that nonsense video

kath
01-08-2015, 10:08 AM
oh gawwwwdddd I had a hard time holding down my breakfast! I hadn't bothered to watch any of their videos before, figuring why bother when it is so clearly a scam...but I just did....oh give me a break!
I am at minute 3 of a 14 minute video and I can hardly bear to finish! Okay I just had to stop at point 6:18 of the 14:43 minute video lest my brain cells start committing suicide!
but it does just prove what a Ponzi scam it all is!
:duh:

Whip
01-08-2015, 10:33 AM
$150,000 in benefits they NEED for just $19/mo

no one NEEDS these alleged 'benefits' as they have certainly gotten by without them this long.