Uinvest...again...Scam or not?

[randomdood]

hi

i think it was already discussed but i still hear people actually getting money and even withdrawing it into their paypal account from Uinvest :scared_1:

is there a Uinvest user/ex-user who can confirm if it Is a scam with story please?

thanks

[Uinvestor]

UInvest story is really widely discussed all over the internet and you will find the conclusions split amongst the doubters (or call them realistic) and the supporters ( or optimists),
so basically its all up to the sole investor (player, gambler ?) to decide whether he wants to risk his money on this site (or any other investment actually).
What we do know ( I myself do participate in uinvest as an investor for quite some time now) -
A) They are online as of early 2010 and no non-paying evidence as of then . You can look for yourself of course, but they haven't missed a single payment yet.
B) Currently they are widening their operations to what is called Global Uinvest Network (GUN) - these are local business owners worldwide whose job is to be Uinvest agents and to bring in investment opportunities. You can probably meet some of those in your country as well. This turns the whole thing into something a little bit more tangible
C) Some future plans - big conference in the US, iPhone app, more projects worldwide and etc.

Now, does all of the above mean its a safe place to risk a lot of money? probably not. Some of the doubts that people mention do have a point ( Projects in Ukraine could not be confirmed, funding system is somewhat fishy and more). On the other hand, most people just want to see their money grow, no matter how. How else could you explain their enormous popularity - tens of thousands of users, great Alexa rank and more.

Bottom line - the risk is there (big time) and so is the gain.

[Poyol]

http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-split-talkgold-mods-banning-spree-819/

[greenman]

Uinvest is scam.My all posts were deleted all together instead of replying.

1. These people have Fake address. It is virtual address which can be obtained on contract.Your calls will be attended, your live discussion will be responded, your
mails will be replied. Even if you visit them, they will meet you as Uinvest Team.
Just google the address and you will find the truth.

Uinvest Address:
9595 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 900
Beverly Hills, CA 90212

Example links as evidence:

Virtual Office Address at 9595 Wilshire Blvd, Beverly Hills, California 90212 | Davinci Virtual Office Space & Solutions (http://www.davincivirtual.com/loc/us/california/beverly-hills-virtual-offices/facility-717)
9595 Wilshire, Beverly Hills, Temporary Office Space, Executive Suites (http://www.pbcenters.com/locations/california/los-angeles-county/executive-suites-beverly-hills/)

2. These people does not allow direct credit card transaction because when they runaway after sometime, you cannot sue them in court. People are not transacting
money directly in their account thus they are safe.

Try to understand :
Investor/you transfer money to financial partners account on PAYZA,SKRILL,PREFECTMONEYor Liberty Reserve thus these people are not directly involving in any transaction through bank wire, direct credit/debit card thus their hands are clean. Whereas, all of investors have no proof in their bank statements that they have invested money in Uinest. Regarding, LR : Anyone can open /close E-currency account and disappear. Simple!!!

3. These people have restricted Uinvest in their country! Red flag raised!

4. Uinvest has no address of any business.WOW! have you seen any stock in stock market which you cannot locate!!! If Uinvest have agreement with businesses then they should not worry about disclosing addresses of all businesses.

5.My same posts were deleted from their forum 2 times. Uinvest will run away. they are just looking for the right time to run with handsome money!!!!

[trbisso]

1. Uinvest is not fully in the USA as of yet. Alot of companies who are looking for a US presence get this type of office. Geeezz even I have this type of office for my Company.

2. As for the Financial Partners that is true however from what I understand Uinvest will soon have a new payment system that will be directly tied into Uinvest. I believe they are now able to do this due to the Brokerage they had recently bought. At least according to their newsletters.

3. Not sure about that one. I know of a person who is from the Ukraine and has an account Uinvest. Actually he is an Agent. Plus why would they Advertise themselves in Ukraine if no one could have an account? https://uinvest.com.ua/uinvest-free-coffee

4. Actually you get an address of the Business when you get your Certificate. I will have to check mine again to confirm. Also some of the GUN projects that have been listed there have had people visit them and have reported back... Should check into that ;). Plus you could talk to any of the Agents that actually brought these businesses online.

5. You could be right although that is pretty bold statement to make for a company that looks to be taking themselves Public!

Uinvest opened themselves up publically as well at a Crowd Funding Conference in San Francisco as one of the Exhibitioners... Check out CrowdConf 2013 | Sponsors (http://www.crowdconf.com/sponsors)



Uinvest is scam.My all posts were deleted all together instead of replying.

1. These people have Fake address. It is virtual address which can be obtained on contract.Your calls will be attended, your live discussion will be responded, your
mails will be replied. Even if you visit them, they will meet you as Uinvest Team.
Just google the address and you will find the truth.

Uinvest Address:
9595 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 900
Beverly Hills, CA 90212

Example links as evidence:

Virtual Office Address at 9595 Wilshire Blvd, Beverly Hills, California 90212 | Davinci Virtual Office Space & Solutions (http://www.davincivirtual.com/loc/us/california/beverly-hills-virtual-offices/facility-717)
9595 Wilshire, Beverly Hills, Temporary Office Space, Executive Suites (http://www.pbcenters.com/locations/california/los-angeles-county/executive-suites-beverly-hills/)

2. These people does not allow direct credit card transaction because when they runaway after sometime, you cannot sue them in court. People are not transacting
money directly in their account thus they are safe.

Try to understand :
Investor/you transfer money to financial partners account on PAYZA,SKRILL,PREFECTMONEYor Liberty Reserve thus these people are not directly involving in any transaction through bank wire, direct credit/debit card thus their hands are clean. Whereas, all of investors have no proof in their bank statements that they have invested money in Uinest. Regarding, LR : Anyone can open /close E-currency account and disappear. Simple!!!

3. These people have restricted Uinvest in their country! Red flag raised!

4. Uinvest has no address of any business.WOW! have you seen any stock in stock market which you cannot locate!!! If Uinvest have agreement with businesses then they should not worry about disclosing addresses of all businesses.

5.My same posts were deleted from their forum 2 times. Uinvest will run away. they are just looking for the right time to run with handsome money!!!!

[Fat City, LA]

Gave it a pay cycle a few years ago.

It pays, (@ 6month to get money back plus )but the Ukranian businesses were totally imaginary. Could have changed. Mention of bridge loans?

[WealthBoy]

UInvest story is really widely discussed all over the internet and you will find the conclusions split amongst the doubters (or call them realistic) and the supporters ( or optimists),
so basically its all up to the sole investor (player, gambler ?) to decide whether he wants to risk his money on this site (or any other investment actually). What we do know ( I myself do participate in uinvest as an investor for quite some time now) -
A) They are online as of early 2010 and no non-paying evidence as of then . You can look for yourself of course, but they haven't missed a single payment yet.
B) Currently they are widening their operations to what is called Global Uinvest Network (GUN) - these are local business owners worldwide whose job is to be Uinvest agents and to bring in investment opportunities. You can probably meet some of those in your country as well. This turns the whole thing into something a little bit more tangible
C) Some future plans - big conference in the US, iPhone app, more projects worldwide and etc.

Now, does all of the above mean its a safe place to risk a lot of money? probably not. Some of the doubts that people mention do have a point ( Projects in Ukraine could not be confirmed, funding system is somewhat fishy and more). On the other hand, most people just want to see their money grow, no matter how. How else could you explain their enormous popularity - tens of thousands of users, great Alexa rank and more.

Bottom line - the risk is there (big time) and so is the gain.

Very nice presentation...at least people would be risking their money while their eyes are not closed. Thanks for this. Ultimately, the decision has to come from the one who own the money. :)

[NikSam]

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URL: UArmy (http://u-army.blogspot.com/)

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URL: http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?10937-500-per-user


Hahaha, don't you dare to say uinvest is no good, you will get a price on your head :)

[littleroundman]

Just in case the above image is too small for some browsers:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/ui1_zpsb30579ff.jpg

UArmy (http://u-army.blogspot.com.au/)

[Whip]

lol. what a dumbass.

[scratchycat]

This will possibly attract the wrong people to the WLD forum but there was a discussion started there about investigating this "program".

Is UINVEST safe? (uinvest.com.ua) - WORLD Law Direct Forums (http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/money-frauds-scams/60468-uinvest-safe-uinvest-com-ua.html#post291062)

[scratchycat]

Found a blog with some 'believers' and some nonbelievers on it, you might want to read some.
As far as I’m updated, Uinvest announced they cut the links with all HYIP resources during the summer of 2012. That’s because they got hacked and also mainly because of obvious black-mailing by Uinvest haters on forums. Since you, me and our community as a whole have developed a unique relation with Uinvest, I believe a letter addressed specifically to The Private HYIP Blog would have been more appropriate. On which other independent platform could you get your questions answered by a Uinvest representative ( Dave Darrel ) ? The first edition was really a great experience, and was published on March 19th 2011 ! Here it is :

http://hyip-blog-investment-monitor.com/2011/03/19/ask-your-questions-to-uinvest/

Like I told you in my last post, I finally risked 3,000$ more in Uinvest last week by buying two of the newest shares ( Auto Manufacturer ) . I’ll post and update if you want to know when I’ll decide to sell those shares for a profit.

By the way, have you visited our forum recently ? The team is really building something awesome for us in there!

Uinvest asked me to post this letter | (http://hyip-blog-investment-monitor.com/2013/02/10/uinvest-asked-me-to-post-this-letter/)


Dave Darrell says:

June 11, 2012 at 5:58 am

Nik, we do our best to be open and understandable.

Blackmailing is a fact – I personally have this case documented because it was submitted to police. I have those emails, with all headers and IP addresses, therefore, we don’t suspect people, we have facts of committing a crime.

The same with websites that commit various crimes – we will be gathering information about suspicious activity we notice and we are sure it’s normal for all honest people who want this world to be better.

Therefore, Nik, uinvest army is nothing but a community of honest people, uinvestors, who don’t want to sponsor criminals. And we welcome everyone to join us.

Reply


Nik says:

June 11, 2012 at 3:49 pm

Dave, Do you know the meaning of “Blackmailing”? Perhaps i do belive you might have some stupid ones demanding money of you.
I only heard of accusation of blackmailing on your part and never saw anyone demanding anything for criticizing.

I was accused of blackmailing by alot of your investors when i was sceptical
and i have reasons to belive that management of uinvest was a driving force behind those attacks on me.

If you scream “blackmail” what exactly they asked of you ?

Don get me wrong , You and I both know that whats your company doing (assuming its not just ponzi forefront) is illegal in Ukraine as well as in US (taking into account passed US JOBS act on which you hope to legalize your business). I’ll look forward talking to police, but you want to be under radar, dont you?

Uinvest is not a HYIP – June 2012 | (http://hyip-blog-investment-monitor.com/2012/06/07/uinvest-is-not-a-hyip-june-2012/)

[scratchycat]

Is UInvest a Real Investment Company? | Nindya is My Name (http://www.nindya.net/business/is-uinvest-a-real-investment-company.html)



I agree that UInvest is not like the majority of HYIP. They offer a different investment program from other HYIP in general. Uinvest enables investors to find, buy or sell, and manage a potentially profitable enterprise. Also they using unique script, unique hosting provider, unique payment system, etc. This program really amazed me. Now the question is: Is UInvest a real company or just a usual HYIP that can be scam with preparations and outstanding expertise?

Is UInvest a Real Company or Scam? | HYIP Blog for Revenue Sharing (http://hyip.pramudita.com/is-uinvest-a-real-company-or-scam.html)


UICC 2013:
For UICC 2013, we have managed to negotiate a special rate with the Crowne Plaza Hotel in Beverly Hills - the venue of choice of the conference.

The hotel is centrally located to dining, shopping, the UInvest office, and other attractions in Beverly Hills.

The rate is $185/night+tax. Now, this is pretty nifty considering an average hotel rate in Beverly Hills being $250/night+tax!
To make a reservation, click the link below, check your dates, and find the hotel number on the reservations page.

To get a special rate, mention that you are attending the UInvest conference:

Beverly Hills Upscale Hotel in Los Angeles, California | Crowne Plaza (http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/crowneplaza/hotels/us/en/los-angeles/laxbh/hoteldetail)

However, for some attendees, who would like to stick to a tighter budget, Expedia.com would be a great resource for alternative hotels in oraround Beverly Hills. Among others, the Crescent Hotel (The Crescent Hotel est. 1927- Beverly Hills, California (http://www.crescenthotelgroup.com/#home)) might be a great choice with the rate of $174/night +tax located within a 15-20 minute walk from Crowne Plaza Beverly Hills and a 5-10 minutes walk from the UInvest office.

https://www.facebook.com/UInvestcompany

[scratchycat]

Now for the GUN story, which might prove to be another thread - up to admin.

THE GUN STORY

February 01, 2013


Since its launch in December of 2011, the GUN (Global Uinvest Network) Project has become one of the most successful UInvest initiatives. On 12/12/12 Uinvest celebrated its 1st anniversary. To shed more light on details of this project, we decided to dedicate an article that describes the GUN's story.

The Idea

The idea of creation of Global UInvest Network (GUN) came to us in the middle of 2011 as a natural response to the requests of those uinvestors, who wanted to become more active in the business referral process. At that time, we were building an expansion strategy for opening multiple UInvest offices around the world with prospects of hiring local staff and creating infrastructure in major countries on each continent. It seemed like a lot of work, the fruits of which, however, would have to be paid off in the near future. And the UInvest team had all the intentions to stick to the plan. However, as a result of multiple uinvestors' inquiries, we decided to make it even better. “Why not to involve the uinvestors who are already active in the investment process, who know the world of finance from their own experience, who have their own businesses and, therefore, are proven entrepreneurs, and, what is most important, who believe in UInvest and in what we do? This situation will create a win-win for everyone: we will save money on infrastructure and the interested uinvestors will become our GUN agents and ambassadors of Uinvest around the world.”

That’s how an ethereal idea surfaced into the physical space. We tested it for a few months by making sure that all legalities would be met and GUN agents would be able to meet our requirements to become a part of the Global UInvest Network (1).

Six months later: Voila! The GUN Project was born!

https://uinvest.com.ua/the-gun-story

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[scratchycat]

GUN on LinkedIn

GUN (Global UInvest Network) is the world first Online Global Equity Exchange. Every business in the world will be able to offer its shares to individuals from anywhere, online.

GUN was initiated in 2011 by UINVEST INC, California based company. As of January 2011 the project is owned by 30

GLOBAL UINVEST NETWORK (GUN) | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/company/global-uinvest-network-gun-)

That was January 2011, have they increased ownership and if so, who are the owners??

Answers????

[scratchycat]

Domain ID:D164358618-LROR
Domain Name:GUNPROJECT.ORG
Created On:11-Jan-2012 14:52:55 UTC
Last Updated On:12-Mar-2012 03:50:46 UTC
Expiration Date:11-Jan-2014 14:52:55 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, LLC (R91-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:CR102543905
Registrant Name:Alex Darrell
Registrant Street1:9595 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 900
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:LA
Registrant State/Province:California
Registrant Postal Code:90212
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.3108606971
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:@uinvest.com.ua
Admin ID:CR102543907
Admin Name:Alex Darrell
Admin Street1:9595 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 900
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:LA
Admin State/Province:California
Admin Postal Code:90212
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.3108606971
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:@uinvest.com.ua
Tech ID:CR102543906
Tech Name:Alex Darrell
Tech Street1:9595 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 900
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:LA
Tech State/Province:California
Tech Postal Code:90212
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.3108606971
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:@uinvest.com.ua


Hi Graceonme,

Uinvest company is not an High Yield Investment Program. Uinvest company is not registered in the United States of America, but they do have a representative there who can meet you in the office and provide the documents and information that you may need upon request.

I recommend that you visit the Forum at Uinvest company's website. You will be able to find helpful and important information about Uinvest company.

They do have an physical office in the 9595 Wilshire building which is located in the heart of Beverly Hills.

Their new address in the United States of America:
Beverly Hills, CA 90212 USA
Suite 900, 9595 Wilshire Boulevard
USA (toll free) +1-888-5817883

Best Regards,
Caleb

MMG Printable page

Home (http://www.gunproject.org/)

Uinvest - Uinvest.com.ua (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Uinvest-Uinvestcomua-t370047.html&pid=7471786&mode=threaded&start=1000#entry7471786)

[NikSam]

Now for the GUN story, which might prove to be another thread - up to admin.

No , GUN is still them, just another scheme.
They also offer shares of (so formed) GUN company on their site. If you buy one you will have a GUN Co-Owner title.

GUN agents (qualified investors) are looking for local businesses who need loans, when they find one they pass it to Uinvest for finders fee.
The rest is mystery even to GUN agent, Business signs non-disclosure agreement and shares of Uinvest stock with stated monthly dividend sold to uinvestors with a little notion of business (name as it shown on UI site) but for some reason in the "date" field.

For example "Casino" UI share: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H6XiMa-1sJs/UQTBGwXYdUI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/xGyw67o6x34/s1600/SERTIFIKAT+UInvest.jpg

It also said that Business maintains a security deposit at uinvest , purpose, size and form of which is also confidential. The stated reason is if Business unable to pay back on its loan, uinvestors dividends will be taken from there.

There are several fraudulent schemes which can be exploited by this setup, we can only wonder which.
Business owners are forbidden to discuss with investors and GUN agents how much money they got from uinvest and on what terms and size of security deposit.


About non-GUN businesses, I think it was clear from previous thread here http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-split-talkgold-mods-banning-spree-819/#post10303
Will just add that since that time 2 or 3 more businesses were busted as wrong pictures/locations.

[littleroundman]

They do have an physical office in the 9595 Wilshire building which is located in the heart of Beverly Hills.

Want to bet it's a "physical" address ??


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This Virtual Office Package Includes:



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Client drop off/pick up point
Private day offices – varies by location, avg $10-$35/hr
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[NikSam]

Want to bet it's a "physical" address ??

LRM, There is actual office, suite 900 is reception for entire floor,
There is a representative of Uinvest Inc. - Natalie Chase who runs her own company from the same location as well (RED Talent Agency)
i can confirm several people made appointments and met her there.

Natalie Chase is originally from Kharkiv, Ukraine.
RED Agency LA | The Powerhouse for Socially Conscious (http://redagencyla.com/) - Her agency.

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/redagencyla

Her in Uinvest BH office:
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Some video appearances:
Red Agency LA -- An Agency Representing Only the Socially Conscious - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQWFeXStYx0)
Natalie Chase: In The Trenches (Part 1) | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=533279147281)

UI at crowdconf 2012 with her appearance:
UInvest at Crowdfunding Chronicles - San Francisco International Conference. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJpEyNek1yU) at 1:37
UInvest Interview with Peter Lachman - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBVooQYz06c) inteviewing an uinvestor

[NikSam]

Registrant Name:Alex Darrell


Alex Darell aka Alexander Daryalov (Александр (Олександр) Дарьялов)

first was claimed Cheif of Business Development
later VP of Business Development,
later as Customer Support manager
still showed on corporate kit using this picture
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https://uinvest.com.ua/uinvest-corporate-kit


Later was caught using this picture in forums and facebook
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This is from UI broshure:
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Ukranian National Bank has no record of a person by that name ever employed.

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/uinvest?fref=ts

He was with uinvest from beginning, posted in forums and chats.
Disappeared from public since october 2012

[NikSam]

....
Hi Graceonme,

Uinvest company is not an High Yield Investment Program. Uinvest company is not registered in the United States of America, but they do have a representative there who can meet you in the office and provide the documents and information that you may need upon request.


This is either outdated or not correct
Uinvest Inc. is incorporated in state of California
under # 3385516 by Lewis Fein
and applied for EIN 45-2545679

I could not find any other director except Lewis Fein within US agencies, so claimed Director Vitaliy Danilenko (direcor of ukranian counterpart)
in their SOI perhaps never made it to filings
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(Note there is no signatures on the form or stamps)

more info: https://uinvest.com.ua/uinvest-corporate-kit



They do however claim that they do not do any business in US :)

They are not registered to offer securities publicly, emmisions of their securities are also not registered in either Ukraine or US.

[scratchycat]

This is either outdated or not correct
Uinvest Inc. is incorporated in state of California
under # 3385516 by Lewis Fein
and applied for EIN 45-2545679

I could not find any other director except Lewis Fein within US agencies, so claimed Director Vitaliy Danilenko (direcor of ukranian counterpart)
in their SOI perhaps never made it to filings
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(Note there is no signatures on the form or stamps)

more info: https://uinvest.com.ua/uinvest-corporate-kit



They do however claim that they do not do any business in US :)

They are not registered to offer securities publicly, emmisions of their securities are also not registered in either Ukraine or US.

Sorry I did not post the link to that page.
MoneyMakerGroup [Powered by Invision Power Board] (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/print.html&client=printer&f=10&t=370047)

It is about a fourth way down. Oh, and thanks for coming in with all this information!!

[NikSam]

Another Facebook of AlexD / Daryalov/ Darrel:
http://www.facebook.com/alex.darialov

[NikSam]

Interesting differences in "Executive team" BIOs between 2010 interview and current UI broshure

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URL: Intelligent Investments: A Conversation with Uinvest.com.ua | Refinance Mortgage Now (http://refinancemortgagenow.net/2010/10/intelligent-investments-a-conversation-with-uinvest-com-ua/)

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Also interesting that they did not stop the guy and say "Wow, wait a second we do not target US public, that would be illegal"
Not even talking about that it also illegal in Ukraine.

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And the most interesting part is this screen

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This is what almost every visitor of their site sees if he happened to be coming from Ukraine or Russia's IP addresses.
2 years ago visitors of those countries coming to UI site were just quietly redirected to webcam-list.com
They deny that they block entire countries, ask russian and ukrnanian uinvestors
, they tell them "Use proxy, VPN, or obtain a static IP and contact support to whitelist it"

Here is what one of the managers said is the reason for countries (or as they call troblemakers) ban


We block IP ranges to prevent hack, scam, ddos etc. Ukrainian, Kirgizian, Moldovian, Russian, Pakistanian, Vietnamese uinvestors may experience problems with accessing website because these countries are used by scam artists and hackers to perform their dangerous operations.


They are trying to be low profile in the motherland, thats the only logical explanation i see here.
Who knows some local might come and recognize his or his neighbor's business picture shares of which for some reason are sold online.
Also ask an average ukranian cop to take a look at the site, and try to explain him that to see the site in its whole beauty he needs to use a foreign proxy.

This is GOLD : Ukrainian ...... because these countries are used by scam artists

[NikSam]

UPDATE on SOI:
Maybe it was filed at some point, this is a page Natalie shows at BH office,

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This CA Secretary of state data on oct 2011 listing Lewis Fein

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This is current as of today, listing Jonas M. Grant
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[NikSam]

Let's introduce another person behind Uinvest.

Lucy MacFarland aka Lucy Milani aka Lyudmila Kovalyova (Людмила Ковалёва)
Real Name: Людмила Ковалёва
DOB: 1981-06-22

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Originally from Lviv, Ukraine now in Kiev
Roles: HR manager, Customer Support manager, GUN agents manager

facebook:http://www.facebook.com/LucyMilaniK
linkedin: Lyudmila Kovalyova | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lyudmila-kovalyova/28/744/986)
twitter: https://twitter.com/GBFL_Lucy
odnoklassniki: Людмила Ковалёва : Однокла��ники (http://www.odnoklassniki.ru/profile/33419390628)
Her Art studio: Lucy Milani - (http://lucymilani.com.ua/2010-01-30-17-01-47.html)

email: lucymilani@yandex.ru, l_kovalyova@yahoo.co.uk, lucy.kovalyova@gmail.com
skype: lucy.milani
ICQ: 448977929

home phone: +38 067 255 1651
mobile: +38 050 828 7028

here is her 2008 post in one of russian forums saying that she can consult on online opportunities and that she knows almost all online fraud schemes.

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Here is an ad placed by her for customer support position at Uinvest

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Here is part from Linked In. note that she says she is currently works at Innovative Solutions
we will come back to that company a bit later.


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[NikSam]

One more pic, Lucy interviewing a business owner from new Uinvest office

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[littleroundman]

If anyone is in any doubt about the legitimacy or otherwise of Uinvest, just do a quick Google using the terms "uinvest HYIP" and you'll soon understand why smart people will keep their money in their pocket.

[littleroundman]

What more needs to be said ??

"Paying" status on HYIP ponzi monitor sites.

Uinvest is featured on the Talkgold, MoneyMakerGroup and DreamTeamMoney HYIP ponzi forums.

No legitimate non HYIP ponzi business would allow itself to advertised on a HYIP ponzi forum or be "monitored" for paying status.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6174/uinwp.jpg

[NikSam]

They actually trying to remove themselves from being associated whith HYIPs since Jun 2012 (after the site was hacked and they blamed competing HYIP Admins behind the attack)

Never less their managers David Darrell and AlexPR (more on them later) kept appearing on MMGP.ru forum and several other HYIP blogs after that.

[NikSam]

Here is Google spreadsheet one uinvestor created after monitoring sale of UI shares for 17 months:

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URL: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgICAT46ccszdHRTLUtJVE9rV1NKM2w0ZFVBcXQza mc#gid=0


Some of his conclusions:


The result the data shows is inconclusive. After almost a year and a half (17 months), it is shown that Uinvest still have money left over from investors with a total of 6 million dollars remaining. Because there are more money invested than withdrawn in Uinvest, the data cannot dismiss Uinvest from the list of potential ponzi websites. Uinvest is completely pass its profit maximising, on average, running for an extra month will cause Uinvest to lose some of its profits. However, if the only most recent month is isolated, Uinvest generated a profit of 500,000; hinting that it can still make a profit, if it is a ponzi.




By looking at the trend, Uinvest may reach its Shutdown-point in about 7 months as adding extra shares can no longer sustain their growing monthly payments. Uinvest may reach its Failure-point in about 2.5 years, losing all of the 6.5 million dollars it had gathered.




In order to create this chart, everything listed on the website was assumed to be true, datas are confirmed with email alerts from Uinvest. The profit generated by exchanging shares was only an estimate; it is impossible to find the true value of their profit generated through exchanges. This may have an significate impact on the Adjusted Total. Some projects are not listed. While this may impact their total income and their Total Expense. The unlisted Projects will have no noticable impact on the Total as they are not of high value. Expenses of Uinvest have no influerence over the conclusion.

[littleroundman]

In order to create this chart, everything listed on the website was assumed to be true,

Assuming a HYIP ponzi website is telling the truth ???

You have GOT to be kidding me.

[NikSam]

Some Sweet lies from AlexPR about legality of uinvest on Jan 30 Management Chat:



International investment activity can be done in several ways:

* through the joint investment institutions
* securities purchase
* issuance of interest-bearing loans (or crediting)
* property rent (rental and leasing)
* other ways

The international investment complexity lies in the fact that an investor has to familiarize himself / herself with the local laws of a foreign country on a case-by-case basis to identify:

* the order and the size of tax
* applicable law
* the state guarantees of the investor’s protection rights
* and many other legal pieces of subtlety

It is Uinvest that carries as greater burden of the legal plan, thus providing you a wide horizon to work out investment strategies and develop a diversified portfolio. It should be clear for everyone that you are an investor of all investment projects that are available on the company’s website Uinvest, and the recipients of the investments are foreign companies known to you. Uinvest company is a regulator and guarantor of your investment activities realized within the framework of the investment projects.

Within Uinvest’s income, received as a commission from investment transactions carried out by you, Uinvest experts make a legal analysis of investment projects, and also implement the most effective legal mechanism for the protection of your rights. Uinvest activity, as well an any legal entity is governed primarily by the law of the country in which it is registered. As for Uinvest the federal law of the USA and the law of California state are applied. Therefore, the most appropriate question is: “Are investment activities conducted through the Uinvest site within the legal field?” It is impossible to answer this question unambiguously for two reasons:

* There is no unified international legal instrument that regulates investment activities.
* Any international investment transaction is governed by the laws of at least two countries: Investors and recipients country of investment.

In relation to the point previously mentioned, you might ask an additional question: What are the common trends of investment activity regulations conducted through the Uinvest site in different countries? Currently, we have two clearly defined models of national regulation of such investment activities:

* A positive one: Legislation and regulatory authorities of the country loyally control investment activities.
* A negative one: Legislation and regulatory authorities of the country regulate investment activities totally by restricting the activities of non-accredited investors, requiring investment entities to the investment registration, attraction of expensive brokerage firms, state taxes, etc. (Example: The U.S. and Canada)

Thus, Uinvest’s activity and, in particular, your Investment in most jurisdictions is in the legal field, and as a rule it is governed by civil, investment, contractual and tax regulations. Certain difficulties for Uinvest are related to the implementation of investment projects in the U.S. and Canadian jurisdictions. The adoption of JOBS Act (Jumpstart Our Business Startups) by the U.S. Congress on January 3, 2012 and the entry into force upon signature by the President of the United States April 5, 2012 is a positive development. This act considerably simplifies and legalizes the process of mass investment of start-up projects. One more important innovation of this act is the emergence of a new subject of investment, namely «Funding Portal», which actually means the U.S. recognition of Internet marketplaces of mass funding, including Uinvest.

In order to register Uinvest in the «Funding Portal» format, certain regulatory acts need to be adopted by the US Securities Exchange Commission (SEC), which governs the Funding Portal, and the order of their registration process. Despite many legal niceties and complexities of the investment activity in certain jurisdictions, Uinvest activity is in accordance with national law, even in such countries as the United States and Canada. We are proud to inform you that this positive result is achieved by bringing qualified lawyers of the U.S. and Canada to legal planning of Uinvest. This legal review has revealed only the basic legal aspects of Uinvest, but they are the basis for the legitimate exercise for a variety of other legal aspects of our business. I am grateful to our Legal, Support and PS Department for the info which helped me to make these reports.


URL: 01/30/13 with Alex PR (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?7534-01-30-13-with-Alex-PR&p=30548&viewfull=1#post30548)

I wonder who is their US legal council, who gave him all these statements, I think there is enough to disbar the guy if he puts his name on it.

[NikSam]

Uinvest Q&A about upcoming UPay (UI own payment processor/ecurrency) and Debit Cards linked to it


Dear All,
Below you can find the questions asked by our clients during the MC on January 30, 2013. The answers are provided by our Legal department representative.


1) user 4: Do you plan to register a new company?
Answer: Yes, we plan to register a new company.

2) cashonly - What about financical anonymity, will you require any documents that will be sent to issuing bank? And will that information be disclosed to international authorities/IRS for TAX?

Answer: Currently, we do all our best to not disclose personal information regarding our clients. Nevertheless, at this time we are arranging this matter with the issuing bank. The information will not be disclosed by default to international authorities/IRS for TAX.

3) dunpealhunter -if a government asks about users and their incomes, will you be obligated to give them the required information?
Answer: It depends on the special feature of a situation. Our payment services are out of the jurisdictions of most countries. Therefore, we are not obliged to fulfill some demands of foreign countries. Notwithstanding the previous statement, we will have to disclose the information about our clients within the bounds of the court’s decisions, governmental demand within the UPay’s jurisdiction, etc.

4) Guest John - in US it is very hard, or just impossible, for foreigners to apply for debit cards, requires US address proof and Form of ID, and social security number, will the issuing bank be actually US bank?
Answer: The issuing bank will definitely be a US bank. Yes, US banking system requires some specific documents like US address proof and other documents for the purposes to issue a debit card. Nevertheless, we are carrying on negotiations with some bank in regard to remove these requirements for our clients.

5) iwannabeanengineer: Will you tell any government details about your users, e.g. balance, income, adresse etc?
Answer: We will not tell any government details about our users (e.g. balance, income, address etc.) by default. With the exception of a particular case, when it is required by virtue of the UPay’s jurisdiction.

6) dunpealhunter - If a government asks for information about an user and you give it to that government, will you also inform the user that that government now has the info?
Answer: Yes. We will inform immediately each of our clients about such circumstances.

7) dunpealhunter - Hypothetical speaking, what if for example the Syrian dictator Assad opens an account and deposits $10 million, if the USA asks you to block that account and the income from it do you have to do it?
Answer: In accordance with the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) rules, which have legal effect almost all over the world – we will have to do it.

8) trinvest - for people whom are now starting off can uinvest post like an example of documents that u will be cross examining for investments so that they know they have fulfilled the criteria so they can apply?
Answer: As soon as the required list of documents is determined we will make it available for our clients at Uinvest’s website. Until this moment we don’t have the unified list of documents. Therefore, we can’t satisfy your offer now.

URL: Management Chat. 01.30.2013. Answers on Legal Aspects of UInvest (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?10313-Management-Chat-01-30-2013-Answers-on-Legal-Aspects-of-UInvest)

Can somebody please find federal requirements for opening an US bank account/debit card, I seriously doubt some US bank will offer anonymous/para-anonymous debit cards.

[NikSam]

In future Uinvest says all uinvestors will be given a debit card

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URL: Get your debit card with UInvest! (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?10828-Get-your-debit-card-with-UInvest!&p=36725)


That would be a day when an US Bank will offer debit cards to uinvestors in the following countries:
Nigeria, Iran, Palestine, Lebanon, Ghana, Lybia, Brunei, Tunis :RpS_laugh:

[NikSam]

I wonder if US market makers INSTINET CORPORATION and THE ISLAND ECN
know that there is somebody selling unregistered securities under their registered market maker IDs (INCA, ISLD)
List of Market Makers: Level2StockQuotes.com - I Market Makers List (http://www.level2stockquotes.com/market-makers-i-list.html)

LEVEL 2 trading screen (most US stock traders familiar with):
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Whoever came up with the concept of how Uinvest itself should be shown in list of traders on their site did not really think hard :)



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URL: Review of a management chat on 09/11/12 (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?1278-Review-of-a-management-chat-on-09-11-12)

[NikSam]

Troubles in Uinvest GUN land ?

GUN projects - businesses which were found by uinvestors (GUN Agents) themselves and brought to Uinvest for the finder's fee, and Uinvest gives loans to those businesses funded by sale of shares to uinvestors on the site.

Most uinvestors consider GUN projects to be more transparent than non-GUN ones, because with some effort it was possible to find some of them in real life and get confirmation from the owner (BO) that he in fact did take the loan from Uinvest.

According to this thread on Uinvest's official forum Honey project investigation (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?11937-Honey-project-investigation)
one of the GUN businesses still did not get the money which Uinvest was supposed to transfer long time ago, but the strangest thing is
their stock still paid the monthly dividend on time to uinvestors who bought shares of this business :)

Here are some excerpts from the confused uinvestors and some attempts by the Support to explain the situation:



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[NikSam]

And 2 more

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[NikSam]

Lets introduce another person behind Uinvest.

"admin" (on UI chats sometimes) aka DmyDry aka FP-z1027 aka Dmitry Gurinenko (Дмитрий Гуриненко)
Real Name: Дмитрий Гуриненко
DOB: 1988-01-12

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He is with Uinvest since it's beginning.

Known Roles: programmer, system administrator, Financial partner FP-z1027 (yes, one of UI money exchangers is Uinvest itself managed by him)

facebook: http://www.facebook.com/dmydry?fref=ts
VK: Dmitry Gurinenko (http://vk.com/dmydry)
LiveJournal: dmydry - Profile (http://dmydry.livejournal.com/profile)
MMGP.ru HYIP forum: User Profile (http://mmgp.ru/member.php?u=74532) (in 2010 was exchanging e-currencies (LR,WMZ) there)
Him playing with webcam: Vokle | TEST MY MEETING (http://www.vokle.com/events/64335-test-my-meeting) :)

ICQ: 268313258
Skype: dmydry
Email: dmydry@gmail.com
Webmoney: Z519497732353

Home Address: Simirenka street, bld. 14/9, apt. 166, Kiev, postal 03134
mobile: +38 093 322 2278
Fax: +38 044 537 3465

Interesting thing that Fax number was registered at Melnikova street, bld. 83-A, suite 801 (Мельникова, ул., 83-А , оф.801)
Uinvest claims they are located at Melnikova street, bld. 83

(more will be posted later on all UI Kiev's claimed addresses and where they really are)


admin says he is FPZ: (08/15/12 with Dave Darrel and FP-z1027 (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?1190-08-15-12-with-Dave-Darrel-and-FP-z1027))
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Deleted profile from free-lance.ru as it was on 4 Aug 2010
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Says he works at Инновационные Решения (Innovative Solutions) - same place where Lucy (http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index2.html#post46515) - (more on that company will be posted later)

Jobs.ua (http://www.jobs.ua/company/u/201805)
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Work.ua (http://www.work.ua/jobs/by-company/183831)
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[NikSam]

One more source, whois record of his (now expired) dmydry.com domain:
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[scratchycat]

Here is a link I came across where they were boasting about this being an excellent program but it is the same HYIP that also states Profitable Sunrise is doing great!!

HYIP Monitor - HyipObserver.com (http://www.hyipobserver.com/)




facebook: http://www.facebook.com/dmydry?fref=ts
VK: Dmitry Gurinenko
LiveJournal: dmydry - Profile
MMGP.ru HYIP forum: User Profile (in 2010 was exchanging e-currencies (LR,WMZ) there)
Him playing with webcam: Vokle | TEST MY MEETING :)

I have seen this person in something else I was researching, will have to check back and see.

BTW, great job on finding all this info!

[scratchycat]

Uinvest - Uinvest.com.ua (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Uinvest-Uinvestcomua-t370047.html&st=1110&start=1110)
"Dear, Taralunga

Friday newsletter - a few events worth uinvestors' attention

A nice alternative

How often do we think of the necessity to print this or that document? Usually, we do not think, we just automatically click "Print" and pick up the document at the printer.UInvest suggests everyone to think for a moment about saving our environment, and offers an opportunity to receive an electronic certificate instead of the paper one. We truly believe this initiative will be kindly accepted by our UInvestors, and we will all make our environment better.

A Business Club For Loyal Users

We have always tried to do our best to single out a client, who shared a great idea or a solution with us. Of course, the number of loyal clients has been constantly increasing and it became harder to distinguish. But as you know, UInvest always has a solution! Therein, we have created a business club for our most loyal clients. From now on, all its members will get great advantages! Which ones? You can read about them in the review of the management chat that was held on Wed., February 27.

More referral commission, better terms!

Are you ready for the great news UInvest is rushing to remind? It is absolutely fantastic that from February 1, 2013 your referral commission depends completely on your referrals' activity. A new concept is very straight forward. Your commission increases together with your referrals' activity within UInvest, and decreases if vice versa. Do you feel excited about enjoying better terms of referrals' commission? Please get yourself aware of the highlights of this innovative approach by following the link (link)

UINVEST: PAYMENT SYSTEMS EVOLUTION

Because of the international nature of our business, since its inception, we have made many attempts to come up with the best possible solution for implementing a payment system equally suitable for all clients. Please read more about it by following this link.

NEWSLETTER QUESTION!!! CORRECT ANSWER WILL GIVE $50!!!!!

We are happy to announce the names of the previous newsletter contest winners!! Ladies and gentelmen, the winners, the first two uinvestors who gave the correct answer, are: Ivan and Dunpealhunter. We are pleased to award $50 USD to each winner!
Correct answer: JOBS Act.

A contest question for this week:


What is a seven-letter word in the English language that contains ten words without rearranging any of its letters?


Please submit your answer here. Winners’ names will be announced in the next newsletter.

Next letter will be issued on March, 8. Stay tuned!
Regards, UInvest Support Team. "

Yesterday 10:12 am

akinbimattew

What bothers me since yesterday is this electronic share certificate,that was what gloinvest issue and it was fake but they deceived investors with it then stopped payment last year january.the question is how many have received shares via postal services from uinvest since they started selling shares. Then how many has visited uinvest office in ukraine and US,how long does it take them to send share certificate as they claim is few months.

We investors have to start investigating this projects especially those going for conference this april.its upto you to post proofs of business.

[NikSam]

... how many have received shares via postal services from uinvest since they started selling shares. Then how many has visited uinvest office in ukraine and US,how long does it take them to send share certificate as they claim is few months.
...

It seems like mailing of "Certificate of shares" was halted completely half a year ago, before that there were huge delays like half a year, people were getting certificates on stocks
which they no longer have, sold (makes a possesion of those physical certificates completely pointless cause you can claim nothing with them :) ).
I never saw any US uinvestor receiving a Certificate (maybe because it automatically makes it a jurisdiction of Postal Inspector General and a federal crime).
There is also expedited delivery by DHL for $100 fee which i cannot confirm any one still gets them that way.

Certificates were sent with Thank You letter from Vitaliy Danilenko (claimed founder of Uinvest) and with project brochure which is suppose to reveal the real location of the business.
I can confirm that most brochures had incomplete address which makes those businesses impossible to find.

I think I will make a separate post with Certificates and brochures some other day.

[NikSam]

BTW, great job on finding all this info!

Thanks, I am trying to keep an eye on most sophisticated schemes out there for years.
When they think it's all in the past - they never expected me :)

[littleroundman]

Thanks, I am trying to keep an eye on most sophisticated schemes out there for years.
When they think it's all in the past - they never expected me :)

At the time of posting, this thread has had 3303 views, so SOMEBODY is watching

[NikSam]

Some might remember when Uinvest did a big announcement on Aug 30 2012,
saying that they "acquired" a Ukrainian broker-dealer company Gefest and that makes their operations legal in Ukraine.

Should we even discuss?:

How ridiculous they sound by saying they are legal now,
while they conducted their activities since 2010 (2007 if you believe UI) and all this time (2 years) claiming they are operating legally in Ukraine ?

OR

How is it even remotely possible for a licensed broker-dealer to sell the unregistered securities to the public (if UI starts syphoning sale of shares through GEFEST) ?

OR

How is it possible to just go and buy a government-issued broker license if you buy a company to which that license was issued ?



Well, strangely enough, they stopped talking about it, nobody claims anything about licensed broker anymore, everything is quiet.


Let me tell you a story

There was a brokerage company GEFEST (ТОРГІВЕЛЬНО-ІНВЕСТИЦІЙНА КОМПАНІЯ "ГЕФЕСТ") [TAX ID: 37932338] owned,operated and licensed (licenses # 617819,617820)
by Andrey Katruhin (КАТРУХІН АНДРІЙ ІГОРОВИЧ)
located at Kiev, Vavilovih Street, bld. 9 , suite 31 (Київ, вулиця Вавилових, будинок 9, офіс 31).

One day Mr. Katruhin decided he doesn't want to be in this business anymore (or perhaps there was another reason).
Luckily enough he knew Maxim Kulakov (Махим Кулаков) [documented director of Ю-Iнвест (Uinvest - Ukraine) ].
And Mr. Kulakov offered to pay him just for changing the name of GEFEST director in the company registry to Kulakov's.
But the address and the phone number still stayed the same.
Mr. Kulakov saw it very convenient considering other companies listing him as a director have addresses where neither him or companies can be found.
Mr. Katruhin closed the office, terminated the rent and left.

On Novemeber 14 2012 , NSSMC (Ukrainian equivalent of SEC) decided to send an inspector to that address (very normal thing if you are licensed broker/dealer),
and inspector did not find the company GEFEST at that address, which is very strong violation of securities law. The act of violation was registered on Nov 23 2012
under number 3060-СД-1-Т.
On December 20 2012 NSSMC came to decision to terminate licenses (broker: AB617819, dealer: AB617820) previously issued to Gefest.

That was a story of the fall of the broker Gefest and explains why Uinvest kept so quiet,
never mentioning their "acquired" brokerage company again, meanwhile still claiming they are operating legally in Ukraine.

(Mr. Kulakov will be introduced in more details in some later post)

--
Supporting evidence: Uinvest acquires Broker Dealer (https://uinvest.com.ua/news/20586-uinvest-acquires-broker-dealer)

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GEFEST Company registration now under Kulakov:

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Official NSSMC decision (# 1069-ЦД-1-Т) to terminate GEFEST licenses (in Ukrainian), now a public record:

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[Fat City, LA]

The properties arent real.= Uninvest cant be taking % of profit after funding infusion.
It takes 9-10 months to break even on shares=not a huge amount of rebuy.
Even % of the GUN is paying back loans to no one.

Yet this has paid well for 6? years?????
Real outside money is coming into Uinvest from somewhere.
Judging from this programs back story and history/tradition from the Ukraine.
The non member $ coming in from "under the table" sources?


I would be very careful about looking into this clan.

[NikSam]

not 6 years, UI only somewhere under 1000 days old , but they themselves claim they been doing investments and loans offline since 2007 (time of company registration)
The only activity of them doing anything before 2010 is wholesaling some products and apartment repairs (if they really were involved in loansharking, there is no record of it and i bet their tax records did not account for it)
If you look at their "Types or Activity"
they filed at time of company registration (https://uinvest.com.ua/uinvest-corporate-kit), it is 1.5 pages long listing just everything possible to list there,
including jewelry repair, selling train tickets, investments (of course), etc - sign of a company which was created to be sold to the best bidder.
They even dared at some time in the past to claim that because they themselves listed "investments" there at time of registration it makes them legal in Ukraine
to provide investments.

Most uinvest businesses are non-Gun ones paying on average 5-15% monthly divided which is fixed per business,
those (not a single one was found in real life and confirmed but we have 8 cases of opposite) are claimed to be located some-there in ex-soviet union territory.


GUN businesses only started showing up less than year ago, it was a new concept ala "Bring your Own Business" usually monthly dividend is lower on those,
but strange thing that owners of those businesses can not reveal the terms of their agreement with Uinvest, even to the Gun Agent who brought them in. They signed a non disclosure agreement with uinvest.
There is suspicion that businesses are getting much smaller amount of loan than accumulated amount of shares sold to uinvestors and interest rate way lower than monthly % of dividend paid to uinvestors (ponzi rides a top of real loan).


GUN Businesses Owners (if some of them read here) you can be legally held responsible in your local jurisdiction if you were aware that funding of those loans was provided
by public through the sale of unregistered securities. Whatever Uinvest is telling you that it should be looked at as a private loan from Uinvest to your business is nonsense.
Get a legal financial advice, damn it.

[scratchycat]

Just checking in over at TG for another program and a person had this in signature, I guess they just try to cover all the bases for these programs.

https://uinvest.com.ua/?amigosid=1656

Uinvest is the largest online
crowdfunding platform. Since 2007.

If you are a business owner looking for investments in your business,
or an investor seeking an opportunity to gain profits
from risk-free investments, then Uinvest is the right place
to realize you goals. We connect businesses
and investments with one click!


not 6 years, UI only somewhere under 1000 days old , but they themselves claim they been doing investments and loans offline since 2007 (time of company registration)
The only activity of them doing anything before 2010 is wholesaling some products and apartment repairs (if they really were involved in loansharking, there is no record of it and i bet their tax records did not account for it)
If you look at their "Types or Activity"

Chats going on:


This person is speaking Russian --
Enable Translation

Tim, I'm great, how are you?

Can I help you?

ajitan1992

7:15 AM

Why Honey project is canceled ?

Marina M
7:19 AM

This person is speaking Russian --
Enable Translation

ajitan, it was cancelled for security reason , since it did not pass the last stage of our verification

Not sure how I managed to get in on a chat system because I am not a member or ever signed up!

[scratchycat]

This is a chat in Indonesian that I picked up on the same link above: (Google translate)



main disini intinya jgn ngutang = menyebabkan susah bep coz mau trading takut bayar cicilan dll dan bunga bank berapa coba

play here essentially jgn owe = cause trouble coz BEP would be afraid to pay the mortgage trading bank interest etc and how trial

faisal celalu gal

7:41 AM

For cash purchase, the customer can simply come to the Outlet Pawn by paying the value of precious metals to be purchased
To purchase installment, the customer can determine the pattern of installment payments in accordance with the wishes. Down payment in the amount of about 20% to 45% of the value of purchased metal mmulia and determined by how long the repayment period is taken.
For On-line purchases can visit Pegadaian.co.id - Portal Resmi PT Pegadaian (Persero) (http://www.pegadaian.co.id), customers can register online, choose a cool precious metals, determine where retrieval of goods and make payments on-line. Taking things to do in outlets Pawn Gallery 24 are addressed.

anekapesanan

7:41 AM

@ yudhy: if you want to brave hell .. stay borrow money through a credit card, etc. (just yahh it was how so - if it works good ... if kaga's ready to be a fugitive), when ane's principle: do not force it if we can not ;)

Gohan

7:42 AM

waduhhh

[NikSam]

Yea, they "canceled" it, blaming Business owner of dishonesty.
Business owner blames Uinvest of the same.
BO did not get a single penny, Honey project still paid first month earning to uinvestors, when UI realized that it looks bad paying investors profits with investors own money. they canceled project.
and everybody can sell shares back to "market maker" ISLD which buys it for lesser than nominal (nominal-dividend). Uinvestors who got shares not at nominal (speculated) price lost money.
the story still discussed on their forum: Honey project investigation (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?11937-Honey-project-investigation)

[ICCBernd]

This is how their new electronic certificates look:
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[scratchycat]

Some pictures from Expo in Guangzhou, I took some photos and videos , please enjoy: So says hyippollcn @ Mar 9 2013, 01:22 AM

Uinvest - Uinvest.com.ua (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Uinvest-Uinvestcomua-t370047.html&st=1140&start=1140)

uinvestcn???_???? (http://xiangce.baidu.com/gallery/0b30e98725cb6edd79636b8eb03a8068e8d9ffc6#)

[NikSam]

This is how their new electronic certificates look:


This is just a bit funny,

* certificates before were in ukrainian , this one in russian.
* certificates before were titled "Certificate of stocks (shares)" in ukranian, now "CONFIRMATION Certificate" in english.
* certificates before were issued to uinvestror name, this one has no mention of uinvestor name.
* certificates before were showing which Uinvest project you invested in (in the Date field), this one has no mention of the project.

Other interesting thing that it says your investment went to Alung LTD, a Seychelles company.
Let me tell you something about Seychelles companies, for those who not familiar with various offshores, it is the same as not having any company at all,
Anybody can just come up and claim they are a Seychelles company and there is nobody in the world will be able to deny or confirm it, Seychelles does not have a company registry,
even various Seychelles authorities cannot validate the existence of a company. All they can show for that, is the incorporation certificate which can be just as well photoshoped.

Another interesting thing is that it includes the note at the bottom which says that the nature of this certficate is just to confirm the fact of investment and content is only valid on the Date of Issue.

ICCBernd, if you can copy-paste text of it, send it to me in PM, I will translate it in full.

[NikSam]

This is how their new electronic certificates look:
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Ok, the following is translated from russian by me:



The company, Uinvest Inc., being the administrator of the electronic trading portal https://uinvest.com.ua
, with this certificate affirms the fact of the following investment by the holder of this certificate:

Description of investment:

Type of investment: monetary assets in USD currency
Object of investment: circulating assets of business
Place of investment: Ukraine
Size of investment: 89 (eighty nine) USD
Duration of investment: 2 (two) years
Date of investment: ... May 2012
Date of return of investment: ... May 2014
Return On Investment: 16% (sixteen percent) per month
Frequency of profit Payments: monthly


Receiver of Investments:

Name of Business: ALUNG LTD
Registration Code: 114614
Location: GLOBAL GATEWAY 8, RUE DE LA PERLE,
PROVIDENCE, MAHE, SEYCHELLES


Note: This certificate-confirmation is not surrendered and not invalidated upon holder's withdrawal of his rights from the investment and remains with him.
Therefore, the certificate-confirmation issued by the company Uinvest Inc. can be considered a document confirming the fact of the investment only as of the date of issuance.


Director
Uinvest Inc. Danilenko, Vitaliy





Worth nothing and proves nothing

[wserra]

A poster to this thread found out that I am a lawyer (OK, which of you people gave me up?) and asked me to comment on Uinvest. I responded that I would do so when I had the time. So this morning I read this thread and a previous one on RS, and did some poking around.

This post is probably going to disappoint the poster who asked me to comment. There comes a point where in-depth analysis is not only unnecessary, but a waste of time. If someone were to come to me with a thirty-page schematic of what he claimed to be a perpetual motion machine, I wouldn't spend a week going through it. I'd ask for proof that it ever worked. If the inventor were unable to give me that, I'd have no problem concluding that he was either delusional or scamming.

Sure, the SEC requires registration of investment/securities offerings from anyone who does business or solicits in the U.S. There are certain exceptions, but even companies that qualify for an exception must file per what's known as "Regulation D". Despite an obvious presence in the U.S. - the maildrop "virtual office" on Wilshire Blvd. in Beverly Hills (nice address, guys, too bad it's not really your office), the upcoming "conference" - a search of the much-improved SEC EDGAR database (http://www.sec.gov/edgar.shtml) shows that they've filed nothing. I saw somewhere that they claim legal advice but - quite typically - don't identify the source. That, of course, is worthless.

But the legalities aren't the real reasons to stay well away from these guys. Those reasons have been pointed out on this board. You really don't need anything more than the tried-and-true "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is". The most recent example, an "investment" from a couple of weeks ago on their own forum (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?11361-New-Project-Added-Hotel-Complex):
Region of Business: Russia
Business: Hotel Complex
Years in business: 6 years
Amount needed: $896,000
Earnings monthly: $137,600
Investment period: 2 years
Project start date: 02/11/2013That's an RoI of .154 per month. And when a poster inquires what and where this miraculous property is, s/he gets:
projects' details are not to be disclosed here due to privacy agreements between business owners and UinvestI'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

Please. Anyone who gives these people money is a part of ongoing social Darwinism, a failed species whose bloodline will eventually disappear if greed and gullibility are inheritable.

[NikSam]

Thank you for taking your time here wserra, it is obvious scam to most who can think about it putting their greed away.
I think deep analysis in their lies is still important , because they attracted claimed 60,000 investors worldwide and those investors act as a brainwashed cult.

So here we are to debunk the the myth of uinvest. If potential victims care to look here they will know, or some existing uinvestors, or GUN businesses which are not aware that they are breaking the laws by dealing with this outfit.

It's all about creating the awareness.

Also outing the people who behind it is important too, so they will be held responsible one day.

Thank You

[NikSam]

I also collected all pictures from Uinvest presence at China into one PDF,
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If someone saved the video before it was taken down from youku please post a link here.

Couple things to note, that China has very harsh punishment for the financial fraud (up to death penalty) which explains why Uinvest kept their presence at the conference as a secret with no notice in advance. Still they could not resist a market of 2 billion potential Chinese investors in their ponzi.
I doubt they ever dare to show their nose there again.

On the video and some pictures you can see a cop checking the documents of fake Vitaliy, which made them all a bit nervous,
dengboss should have better zoomed in on the passport while cop was holding it in his hand wide open.

About dengboss, the guy who took pictures and video and his Uinvest pimping blog (http://blog.sina.com.cn/onlineinvest)
which i took time to read:

He is convinced that he met two of the CEOs (bosses) there
Vitaliy Danilenko the one he met at expo:
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which doesn't look anything like one from the corporate kit picture:
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https://uinvest.com.ua/uinvest-corporate-kit

And Alexander Daryalov, which is just silly on dengboss part, cause the person he calls Areksis at that expo is not Daryalov but AlexPR , who never even claimed to be Daryalov or being a boss :)
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In any case he did not look as a picture of Daryalov from the corporate kit either.

But dengboss seems like did not notice any of it while himself has a link to corporate kit on his blog.

Maybe it is an asian thing that they cannot tell apart europeans, or he is just dumb
and became a GUN Agent right there.

[ICCBernd]

Here is a video of the event in China: https://vimeo.com/61457876

[baylee]

A poster to this thread found out that I am a lawyer (OK, which of you people gave me up?) and asked me to comment on Uinvest. I responded that I would do so when I had the time. So this morning I read this thread and a previous one on RS, and did some poking around.

This post is probably going to disappoint the poster who asked me to comment. There comes a point where in-depth analysis is not only unnecessary, but a waste of time. If someone were to come to me with a thirty-page schematic of what he claimed to be a perpetual motion machine, I wouldn't spend a week going through it. I'd ask for proof that it ever worked. If the inventor were unable to give me that, I'd have no problem concluding that he was either delusional or scamming.

Sure, the SEC requires registration of investment/securities offerings from anyone who does business or solicits in the U.S. There are certain exceptions, but even companies that qualify for an exception must file per what's known as "Regulation D". Despite an obvious presence in the U.S. - the maildrop "virtual office" on Wilshire Blvd. in Beverly Hills (nice address, guys, too bad it's not really your office), the upcoming "conference" - a search of the much-improved SEC EDGAR database (http://www.sec.gov/edgar.shtml) shows that they've filed nothing. I saw somewhere that they claim legal advice but - quite typically - don't identify the source. That, of course, is worthless.

But the legalities aren't the real reasons to stay well away from these guys. Those reasons have been pointed out on this board. You really don't need anything more than the tried-and-true "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is". The most recent example, an "investment" from a couple of weeks ago on their own forum (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?11361-New-Project-Added-Hotel-Complex):That's an RoI of .154 per month. And when a poster inquires what and where this miraculous property is, s/he gets:I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

Please. Anyone who gives these people money is a part of ongoing social Darwinism, a failed species whose bloodline will eventually disappear if greed and gullibility are inheritable.

Along with nicsam, I thank you for taking the time to look into this.

[Fat City, LA]

Uinvest - Uinvest.com.ua (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Uinvest-Uinvestcomua-t370047.html&st=1170&start=1170)
Did UInvest is real business? Realy?

UInvest has been paying their investors for five years. I would say father of all Investment programs.
--------------------
The next program that will break hearts /wallet?. Has that "there is no way this is fake" type of scam feel.

[NikSam]

5 years is not true, just about under 1000 days old, there are some older than that ponzis for example VGMC.

Yes it will hurt a lot, i have information on several people who invested as much as $100k and $200k there.
And majority of investors are true believers, not as in the average ponzi.
I also know for a fact that some other HYIP Admins invest there, so if someone can dupe an HYIP Admin, that is something.

[NikSam]

Lets take a look at the current registration record from Ukraine company registry.


3440
text in ukrainian:


Ідентифікаційний код юридичної особи: 37635071
Повне найменування юридичної особи та скорочене у разі його наявності: ТОВАРИСТВО З ОБМЕЖЕНОЮ ВІДПОВІДАЛЬНІСТЮ "Ю-ІНВЕСТ" ( ТОВ "Ю-ІНВЕСТ" )
Місцезнаходження юридичної особи: 01014, м.Київ, Печерський район, ВУЛИЦЯ ЗВІРИНЕЦЬКА, будинок 68
ПІБ керівника юридичної особи (дані про наявність обмежень щодо представництва від імені юридичної особи): КУЛАКОВ МАКСИМ ВІКТОРОВИЧ
...
Інформація про здійснення зв’язку з юридичною особою: тел. 0963346103
Місцезнаходження реєстраційної справи: Печерська районна в місті Києві державна адміністрація
Дата державної реєстрації юридичної особи / Дата державної реєстрації юридичної особи, яка утворена у результаті перетворення: 07.04.2011
Дані про перебування юридичної особи у процесі припинення/Дані про перебування юридичної особи у процесі провадження у справі про банкрутство, санації: не перебуває в процесі припинення
Види діяльності:
37.10.0 ОБРОБЛЕННЯ МЕТАЛЕВИХ ВІДХОДІВ ТА БРУХТУ (основний),
27.54.0 ЛИТТЯ ІНШИХ КОЛЬОРОВИХ МЕТАЛІВ,
51.12.0 ПОСЕРЕДНИЦТВО В ТОРГІВЛІ ПАЛИВОМ, РУДАМИ, МЕТАЛАМИ ТА ХІМІЧНИМИ РЕЧОВИНАМИ,
74.11.1 АДВОКАТСЬКА ДІЯЛЬНІСТЬ,
74.12.0 ДІЯЛЬНІСТЬ У СФЕРІ БУХГАЛТЕРСЬКОГО ОБЛІКУ ТА АУДИТУ,
74.14.0 КОНСУЛЬТУВАННЯ З ПИТАНЬ КОМЕРЦІЙНОЇ ДІЯЛЬНОСТІ ТА УПРАВЛІННЯ
...
Номер та дата останньої виписки: А01 769594 07.04.2011

my translation:


Identification code of legal entity: 37635071
The full name of the legal entity and abbreviated if applicable: LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY "U-INVEST" (LLC "U-INVEST")
Location of legal entity: postal code 01014, Kiev, Pechersky district, Zverinetskaya street, house 68
Full Name of the director of the legal entity (or other information available from the legal entity): Kulakov, Maxim Victorovich
...
Contact Information for the legal entity: phone: +38 096 334 6103 (my note: Kievstar GSM mobile )
Location of registration record: Pecherskiy district of Kiev City State Administration
Date of registration of legal entity / Date of registration of a legal entity which is formed as a result of re-registration: April 7th 2011
Information on the state of process of termination / Information of the legal entity in the proceedings in bankruptcy, sanctions: not in the process of termination
Types of activity:
37.10.0 Recycling of metal waste and scrap (primary activity),
27.54.0 Casting of other non-ferrous metals
51.12.0 Assistance in trading of fuels, oils, metals and chemicals
74.11.1 Lawyer/Legal/Advocacy services
74.12.0 Accounting and Audit activity
74.14.0 Business and Management consultations
...
Number and date of the last record: А01 769594 Apr 7th 2011


So lets take a look at the official registered address of Ukrainian Uinvest
3441

Google: http://goo.gl/maps/WTzcJ

Aint the HQ of multimillion dollar company look just great ?

3442

Is the Uinvest actually there ? - No, No Uinvest and No Maxim Kulakov which is not a surprise taking into account the other companies he listed as a director and can never be found at the registered addresses
(see my Gefest post (http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index2.html#post47464))


On another note, I would have never guessed that "Recycling of metal waste and scrap" as a primary activity of a company would have anything to do with Investments :)

See you all later, than we'll talk about other Ukrainian addresses claimed by Uinvest as their location and later about where they really are.

[Former Player]

Uinvest and WestPark Capital announce new partnership

Wow! Uinves must be legit to partner with a real investment company.
Uinvest - Uinvest.com.ua (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=370047&view=findpost&p=7591135L)

I wonder if WestPark Capital even knows that Uinvest is blasting the WPC name in press releases on the ponzi forums.

This is Uinvest new partner WestPark Capital. Investment Banking and Securities Brokerage Firm (http://www.wpcapital.com/home.html)
Someone needs to let WPC know how bad this looks for their firm.

[ICCBernd]

They aware of that but seem to do not care. At least they stop replying to messages if you come up with proofs for Uinvest's shady activities. WPC is as shady as Uinvest IMHO.

[NikSam]

Seems like muslim uinvestors declared a Fatwa on Uinvest.

...
So, from what I have gathered from their website, it seems that it is indeed a Loan Model.

Hence it will not be permissible to use this facility as it is a direct loan with an anticipated profit return which is Riba (interest).
...

URL: Fatwa on Uinvest - Halal ? (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?15062-Fatwa-on-Uinvest-Halal)


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And that just by assumption that Uinvest profits are loan based, I wonder what Quran and scholars have to say when they realize it is a ponzi model.

[NikSam]

Uinvest and WestPark Capital announce new partnership

Wow! Uinves must be legit to partner with a real investment company.
Uinvest - Uinvest.com.ua (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=370047&view=findpost&p=7591135L)

I wonder if WestPark Capital even knows that Uinvest is blasting the WPC name in press releases on the ponzi forums.

This is Uinvest new partner WestPark Capital. Investment Banking and Securities Brokerage Firm (http://www.wpcapital.com/home.html)
Someone needs to let WPC know how bad this looks for their firm.

there was an updated press release, "ghmmm, not a partnership, ghmmm, just asked WPC for the advisory service" :)

URL: Uinvest Inc. Establishes Consulting Relationship with U.S.-Based Broker-Dealer WestPark Capital, Inc. - MarketWatch (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/uinvest-inc-establishes-consulting-relationship-with-us-based-broker-dealer-westpark-capital-inc-2013-04-04)


but of course this update was not pushed by multiple paid for SEO and Press release "agents-specialists" to multiple news sites :)

[Market! Market!]

Hi, here's my post in one of our local forums:

Here's why I think this is a Ponzi:

Sample Projects (We can see that monthly earnings are more than 15%)
15.18% = Honey Project
17.87% = Paper Mill
16.35% = Field of construction materials
17.41% = Agricultural equipment manufacturing
16.81% = Steel manufacturer

Let’s say I plan to invest 100,000 pesos ($1 = 40pesos)

Initial investment = 100,000 php
Monthly earnings (at 15%) = 15,000 php
If I pull it out after 1 year
I would have = 100,000 + (15,000 x12) = 280,000

Reinvest money now 280,000
Monthly earnings (at 15%) = 42,000
If I pull it out after 1 year (2nd year)
I would have = 280,000 + (42,000 x12) = 784,000

Reinvest money now 784,000
Monthly earnings (at 15%) = 117,600
If I pull it out after 1 year (3rd year)
I would have = 784,000 + (117,600 x12) = 2,195,200

Reinvest money now 2,195,200
Monthly earnings (at 15%) = 329,280
If I pull it out after 1 year (4th year)
I would have = 2,195,200 + (329,280 x12) = 6,146,560

Reinvest money now 6,146,560
Monthly earnings (at 15%) = 921,984
If I pull it out after 1 year (5th year)
I would have = 6,146,560 + (921,984 x12) = 17,210,368

Reinvest money now 17,210,368
Monthly earnings (at 15%) = 2,581,555.20
If I pull it out after 1 year (6th year)
I would have = 17,210,368 + (2,581,555.20 x12) = 48,189,030.40

Reinvest money now 48,189,030.40
Monthly earnings (at 15%) = 7,228,534.56
If I pull it out after 1 year (7th year)
I would have = 48,189,030.40 + (7,228,534.56 x12) = 134,929,285.12


So in 15 years I would be included in Forbes richest in the world???

Investment Monthly Interest After 1 year, pull out everything

1 100,000.00 15,000.00 280,000.00
2 280,000.00 42,000.00 784,000.00
3 784,000.00 117,600.00 2,195,200.00
4 2,195,200.00 329,280.00 6,146,560.00
5 6,146,560.00 921,984.00 17,210,368.00
6 17,210,368.00 2,581,555.20 48,189,030.40
7 48,189,030.40 7,228,354.56 134,929,285.12
8 134,929,285.12 20,239,392.77 377,801,998.34
9 377,801,998.34 56,670,299.75 1,057,845,595.34
10 1,057,845,595.34 158,676,839.30 2,961,967,666.95
11 2,961,967,666.95 444,295,150.04 8,293,509,467.47
12 8,293,509,467.47 1,244,026,420.12 23,221,826,508.92
13 23,221,826,508.92 3,483,273,976.34 65,021,114,224.98
14 65,021,114,224.98 9,753,167,133.75 182,059,119,829.94
15 182,059,119,829.94 27,308,867,974.49 509,765,535,523.84


PHP 509,765,535,523.84 = $12,433,305,744.48


At only $2,500 investment, in 15 years I would be one of the richest in the world!! LOL

[Former Player]

Hi, here's my post in one of our local forums:

At only $2,500 investment, in 15 years I would be one of the richest in the world!! LOL

Excellent analogy and post. Lets hope it gets people thinking.

[Former Player]

There have been several reports on ponzi forums from individuals stating that there accounts have been locked. Uinvest has not been helping them regain access to these locked accounts. There will likely be a lot more of these victims soon. Uinvest is a very old ponzi and can not last too much longer. They have been creative in keeping this ponzi afloat but its going to catch up to them soon.

[gonde]

uinvest.com.ua is very closed related or it has same owner as WMIRK.com

It's a Liberty Reserve exchanger. Of course, uinvest.com.ua accepts Liberty Reserve and they "clean" the money through WMIRK.com
They are not stupid at all.

Payza banned their system in November 2012...I guess.
They are still using Paypal personal account to make payouts.
Paypal doesn't allow any investment company(even it's licensed). I am wondering what explication they have for that.

Does anybody know uinvest.com.ua's bank account? A company must have a bank account,right? This information must be public but I can't find it :)

[radovann]

Maybe it was already mentioned, but it was just posted now on Talkgod uinvest thread :

Government approves bill banning pyramid schemes in Ukraine (http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/government-approves-bill-banning-pyramid-schemes-in-ukraine-321567.html)

[NikSam]

Maybe it was already mentioned, but it was just posted now on Talkgod uinvest thread :

Government approves bill banning pyramid schemes in Ukraine (http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/government-approves-bill-banning-pyramid-schemes-in-ukraine-321567.html)

It was approved in beginning of March, but still needs to be voted upon in Rada (congress).
There are indications that bill will be approved, most politicians support it.
Some think that maximum prison term (8 years) for those is not enough, but comparing conditions in Ukraine's jails
to the western world (where prisons are just 1 star Hotels) might fix the problems.

There are sufficient laws for financial fraud and unlicensed financial activity, etc..
The main target of this Bill are cash gifting schemes like (MMM-201x), existing laws are hard to enforce when there is no misleading and participants are well aware that they participate in a ponzi.

[NikSam]

uinvest.com.ua is very closed related or it has same owner as WMIRK.com

It's a Liberty Reserve exchanger. Of course, uinvest.com.ua accepts Liberty Reserve and they "clean" the money through WMIRK.com
They are not stupid at all.

Payza banned their system in November 2012...I guess.
They are still using Paypal personal account to make payouts.
Paypal doesn't allow any investment company(even it's licensed). I am wondering what explication they have for that.

Does anybody know uinvest.com.ua's bank account? A company must have a bank account,right? This information must be public but I can't find it :)

Uinvest has no connection to WMIRK.com (which is operating from Siberia, Russia).

Uinvest does not have bank accounts, they use other shell companies.

[littleroundman]

Does anybody know uinvest.com.ua's bank account? A company must have a bank account,right? This information must be public but I can't find it :)

Not in the HYIP ponzi arena, gonde.

It's the very reason HYIP ponzis use anonymous payment processors.

Not only will legitimate payment processors and / or banks have nothing to do with them, but, by shifting money between anonymous payment processors, it makes the people behind the HYIP virtually untraceable.

To sensible people, the very fact there is no bank account and therefore no way of obtaining any sort of refund is a GIANT red flag.

To HYIP ponzi players, however, it's completely "normal"

[luckycat]

Dear all Uinvestors,

Some of you may remember that Uinvest CEO has come to China Guangzhou Expo last month and I have shared some pictures here. But because of my poor English , I haven't shared any words about that event yet. I just wrote it in Chinese on my blog .

Now I participant the honesty contest and I have wrote something about Guangzhou Expo .

Do you want to know what we talked about ?

Do you want to know what's the impression of the CEO and Alex for me ?

Please click the link below to view my article "An Unforgettable Face-to-face Talk with Uinvest Leaders" , there must be something for you !

https://uinvest.com.ua/essay/showEssay/an-unforgettable-face-to-face-talk-with-uinvest-leaders?id=29

If you like my article ,please give a vote for me .That will be very kind of you !

[NikSam]

Dear all Uinvestors,

Some of you may remember that Uinvest CEO has come to China Guangzhou Expo last month and I have shared some pictures here. But because of my poor English , I haven't shared any words about that event yet. I just wrote it in Chinese on my blog .

Now I participant the honesty contest and I have wrote something about Guangzhou Expo .

Do you want to know what we talked about ?

Do you want to know what's the impression of the CEO and Alex for me ?

Please click the link below to view my article "An Unforgettable Face-to-face Talk with Uinvest Leaders" , there must be something for you !

https://uinvest.com.ua/essay/showEssay/an-unforgettable-face-to-face-talk-with-uinvest-leaders?id=29

If you like my article ,please give a vote for me .That will be very kind of you !


hello dengboss here is a post about you: http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index3.html#post49114

Do you want me upload the proof that you called this guy Vitaliy Danilenko ? :)

Why now you calling him Eugene Rubin ?

guess what? neither is his real name :)

[scratchycat]

From one cat to another unLuckycat -


If you like my article ,please give a vote for me .That will be very kind of you !

I have to say I give it a "NO" vote and speaking of honesty, please read what NikSam has posted to you/dengboss - honestly!! :shocked:

[NikSam]

...
Do you want me upload the proof that you called this guy Vitaliy Danilenko ? :)
...
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Sorry for bad english translation (on the right) thats the best google can do.


I also have some interesting chat transcript with you one person sent me.
Where you kept insisting that the person you met is Vitaliy and it is same Vitaliy as on corporate kit :)

So much for your honest article about uinvest, if there was a way to vote negative i would.
I think my posts on Uinvest here deserve more honesty rating than any of ones i see there.

[NikSam]

dengboss, you also said that you got business cards of Alex and Vitaliy
with personal phone numbers and emails.

Are you trying to say you confused the names and while you talked to this guy you misheard his name ?
Can you scan and upload the business card of this guy? perhaps there was some magic ink which changed from Vitaliy to Eugene today.

[NikSam]

One Uinvestor provided a new version of the Uinvest Confirmation Certificate now in english.

Looks like they read my comments before or somebody passed that to them :)

Now the certificate has a Name of Investor and a Project Name shares of which he bought.

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[littleroundman]

Is the certificate soft enough to be used as toilet paper ??

If it's not, then it's COMPLETELY worthless

[Fat City, LA]

Where is address of The Bungalow Project?

[NikSam]

Where is address of The Bungalow Project?

That's a secret, nobody suppose to know it, somewhere in Ukraine or in the Dream land :)



It is a part of agreement between Uinvest and Business owner not to reveal location and contact details


All investors are bying just a generic name (Bungalow in this case) with some picture and short description and region where business is located.

In past, like a year ago, Uinvest sent by mail your certificate of shares and project brochure which suppose to reveal where the business is,
here are examples what they sent. Completely incomplete addresses, go try to find them :)

3614

3615



BTW, both were also busted as located in another country if you compare to the pictures on the site

[NikSam]

Is the certificate soft enough to be used as toilet paper ??

If it's not, then it's COMPLETELY worthless

It is an "electronic" version, which they started doing recently using big words such as "Saving the Trees" :)
So it is as soft as paper you print it on, i think i will order custom made toilet paper roll with this image :)
SPECIAL ORDERS - PERSONALIZED EMBROIDERY TOILET PAPER on eBay! (http://compare.ebay.com/like/190503918514?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar)

[lordgiap]

any news update on Uinvest will they scam before the conference ?

[NikSam]

any news update on Uinvest will they scam before the conference ?

It was on CNN today, they will scam during the conference :)

Do you think HYIPs release news when they scam ?

[lordgiap]

Why are you so sure they will scam? do you have the link of the CNN news?
I am quite positive for this company as I can see their effort on developing the company.

[littleroundman]

Why are you so sure they will scam?

Before anyone attempts to answer your question, perhaps you would like to tell us all your definition of "scam"

[lordgiap]

Before anyone attempts to answer your question, perhaps you would like to tell us all your definition of "scam"

They close down the company and run away?

[NikSam]

Why are you so sure they will scam? do you have the link of the CNN news?
I am quite positive for this company as I can see their effort on developing the company.

The effort mostly not of the company, but from employes who do not even know themselves who they work for or what it is.

i do not see why you are so positive on future of this "company", their operations are illegal in both US and Ukraine.
Ponzi always has the end.

[NikSam]

The effort mostly not of the company, but from employes who do not even know themselves who they work for or what it is.

i do not see why you are so positive on future of this "company", their operations are illegal in both US and Ukraine.
Ponzi always has the end.

But seriously, no i do not believe they will run away before or during the conference, there are just too many investors who buy out new shares just in minutes as they released, so they do not have any money flow issues, they managed to create a hunger for their "shares". Do not expect to see someone important at the conference, it will be just staff who is brainwashed as investors.

I guess legal pressure is the only one which might force them to run at this point.

Or if you refer to $200 price for attending the conference, it is a scam in my opinion, there is nothing worth listening :)

[lordgiap]

The effort mostly not of the company, but from employes who do not even know themselves who they work for or what it is.

i do not see why you are so positive on future of this "company", their operations are illegal in both US and Ukraine.
Ponzi always has the end.

I would not think UI is ponzi as they would have close down soon already as they they paying out more compare they have taken. If you said illegal then why governmental still letting them operate in Ukraine and US?

[lordgiap]

https://public.sheet.zoho.com/public...etty/uinvest-1[/url]


Do you think this is a good read?

[NikSam]

I hope you would not quote here 2 years old post, and all of it is wrong . It was done by someone who had no idea or access to the real data,
also nobody else has any idea about other scams ran by same team.

Money invested in Uinvest almost never leave uinvest, every sale of shares by investor covered by another investor buying those shares.
While uinvest also makes 10% on commissions for dividends, plus makes huge profit on buying back shares for way higher price then initially sold.

There were also several occasions that Uinvest sold way more shares than was stated available.

The rest is just ponzi and ponzi running on top of a loan (GUN businesses)
It was already discussed here and in multiple other places.

Till you see some audit reports provided by Uinvest itself , it would be pointless to look at any estimation investors make - they have no data.

[NikSam]

I would not think UI is ponzi as they would have close down soon already as they they paying out more compare they have taken. If you said illegal then why governmental still letting them operate in Ukraine and US?

yes , and there are thousands websites operating illegally right now.

try to find them first silly, they are hiding :)
And why would somebody waste their resources hunting those sites down, there were no complaints yet, and nobody licensed their activities.
so default position of any authority it is your fault by investing there, they never licensed them, meanwhile they might crack down on it once complaints start kicking in or they expect a huge problem - just take it as a favor when they do. they did not authorize those scams, why you expect them to police every one of them?

[lordgiap]

I hope you would not quote here 2 years old post, and all of it is wrong . It was done by someone who had no idea or access to the real data,
also nobody else has any idea about other scams ran by same team.

Money invested in Uinvest almost never leave uinvest, every sale of shares by investor covered by another investor buying those shares.
While uinvest also makes 10% on commissions for dividends, plus makes huge profit on buying back shares for way higher price then initially sold.

There were also several occasions that Uinvest sold way more shares than was stated available.

The rest is just ponzi and ponzi running on top of a loan (GUN businesses)
It was already discussed here and in multiple other places.

Till you see some audit reports provided by Uinvest itself , it would be pointless to look at any estimation investors make - they have no data.

When you talk about this:
"Money invested in Uinvest almost never leave uinvest, every sale of shares by investor covered by another investor buying those shares.
While uinvest also makes 10% on commissions for dividends, plus makes huge profit on buying back shares for way higher price then initially sold."

I know that you are not really understand how Uinvest works. I wish there is some senior Uinvest member here to clarify the legitness of the business.

[lordgiap]

yes , and there are thousands websites operating illegally right now.

try to find them first silly :)
And why would somebody waste their resources hunting those sites down, there were no complaints yet, and nobody licensed their activities.
so default position of any authority it is your fault by investing there, they never licensed them, meanwhile they might crack down on it once complaints start kicking in or they expect a huge problem - just take it as a favor when they do. they did not authorize those scams.

Buddy they are not just website. They have solid office out there. government would have take action on it if they found out its illegal.

[NikSam]

Buddy, go visit that office , one in Kiev on Melinkova 83 (if you ever find it there)
And one in Beverly Hills, when they call Natalie to run up to the "office" to meet you in couple days.

Or just schedule a vistit to Ukraine office with a ticket, they will for sure invite you to some random office address, they just arranged :)

[NikSam]

I know that you are not really understand how Uinvest works. I wish there is some senior Uinvest member here to clarify the legitness of the business.

Sorry , they are scared shitless.

There is no way they can argue with facts.

You see, it is not a HYIP pimping place, people here would not believe nonsense and fairy tales.

And I understand their "business" more than even some of their employees, tracking it since 2010 and people behind it since 2007
:)

I would advice you to read first 3 pages of this thread before you say anything about "legitness".

While you here i advice you also to read on MMCIS http://www.realscam.com/f8/mmcis-investments-mmcis-investments-com-2183/
so you have a better picture on situation in ukraine.
Maybe you should also read on MMM-2011 and other ponzis in Ukraine and why nobody in Ukraine does anything.

[lordgiap]

Sorry , they are scared shitless.

There is no way they can argue with facts.

You see, it is not a HYIP pimping place, people here would not believe nonsense and fairy tales.

And I understand their "business" more than even some of their employees, tracking it since 2010 and people behind it since 2007
:)

I would advice you to read first 3 pages of this thread before you say anything bout "liegitness".


Thanks for your hospitality buddy. Now I am looking forward to more members for giving feedback on this thread.

[lordgiap]

Sorry , they are scared shitless.

There is no way they can argue with facts.

You see, it is not a HYIP pimping place, people here would not believe nonsense and fairy tales.

And I understand their "business" more than even some of their employees, tracking it since 2010 and people behind it since 2007
:)

I would advice you to read first 3 pages of this thread before you say anything about "legitness".

While you here i advice you also to read on MMCIS http://www.realscam.com/f8/mmcis-investments-mmcis-investments-com-2183/
so you have a better picture on situation in ukraine.
Maybe you should also read on MMM-2011 and other ponzis in Ukraine and why nobody in Ukraine does anything.


we dont relate a forex investment in ukraine as a whole with Uinvest right? by the way do you have proof that Uinvest is running as ponzi scheme?
are you aware that Uinvest provide initial commission back when a shares investment period end. If there were ponzi they would have a big big debt on them already. =)

[NikSam]

we dont relate a forex investment in ukraine as a whole with Uinvest right? by the way do you have proof that Uinvest is running as ponzi scheme?
are you aware that Uinvest provide initial commission back when a shares investment period end. If there were ponzi they would have a big big debt on them already. =)

It is not about forex, it is about Ponzis, no matter what the claim they do , they still ponzis, MMCIS, Uinvest, MMM , and hundreds others in Ukraine.
"initial commission back" ? i assume you meant deposit or principal
Nothing what release of new shares cannot fix. Or as they do it lately, they just extend the investment period again.

I dont get you, you came here and asked when they will scam and after you saying it is not a ponzi.
Are you just like to contradict yourself of you are trolling here? if later i have no intention replying to your posts, and if you just trying to clog this thread with garbage
it will not work.

And there is a proof it is a ponzi, the proof is piece of paper which says "Uinvest is a ponzi" , that piece of paper is hidden in the refrigerator in
the office of Uinvest on Melnikova 83.
I been there and saw it. Go prove me wrong :)

[lordgiap]

It is not about forex, it is about Ponzis, no matter what the claim they do , they still ponzis, MMCIS, Uinvest, MMM , and hundreds others in Ukraine.
"initial commission back" ? i assume you meant deposit or principal
Nothing what release of new shares cannot fix. Or as they do it lately, they just extend the investment period again.

I dont get you, you came here and asked when they will scam and after you saying it is not a ponzi.
Are you just like to contradict yourself of you are trolling here? if later i have no intention replying to your posts, and if you just trying to clog this thread with garbage
it will not work.

And there is a proof it is a ponzi, the proof is piece of paper which says "Uinvest is a ponzi" , that piece of paper is hidden in the refrigerator in
the office of Uinvest on Melnikova 83.
I been there and saw it. Go prove me wrong :)

You keep saying Uinvest is ponzi scheme. But do you have any proof? I am here looking for solid proof not based on your personal opinion.

[NikSam]

Well, All giveaways of a scam are here.
Fake people, Fake names, Fake addresses, Fake projects, Illegal (unlicensed) operations, magical returns.
Lots of lies uncovered here and in several other places.

Should not the company who solicits money from online surfers prove that they are not a ponzi ?
Hmm, they could not.
And they cannot even explain why the hell they need those anonymous surfers to become their investors.
Is it logical to you that they want to make you money and keep loosing themselves ?
Does your savings bank offer you commissions if you keep bringing more people in ?
Does your bank deals with UN sanctioned countries ? UInvest does.
Did your bank ever offer you to deposit using LibertyReserve or some other depositors balance if you trade with them under the table (as FP system works at Ui) ?
Did your bank ever said they gonna take your money and send it to charity if they don't like what you are doing?
Did your bank ever advertise on HYIP forums ?


But all the other giveaways are in plain sight.
If you honestly think it is not a ponzi you are lying to yourself.

[lordgiap]

Well, All giveaways of a scam are here.
Fake people, Fake names, Fake addresses, Fake projects, Illegal (unlicensed) operations, magical returns.
Lots of lies uncovered here and in several other places.

Should not the company who solicits money from online surfers prove that they are not a ponzi ?
Hmm, they could not.
And they cannot even explain why the hell they need those anonymous surfers to become their investors.
Is it logical to you that they want to make you money and keep loosing themselves ?
Does your savings bank offer you commissions if you keep bringing more people in ?
Does your bank deals with UN sanctioned countries ? UInvest does.
Did your bank ever offer you to deposit using LibertyReserve or some other depositors balance if you trade with them under the table (as FP system works at Ui) ?
Did your bank ever said they gonna take your money and send it to charity if they don't like what you are doing?
Did your bank ever advertise on HYIP forums ?


But all the other giveaways are in plain sight.
If you honestly think it is not a ponzi you are lying to yourself.

Now you relate Uinvest to a bank again.

You cant say all the projects are fake at least there is 1 project (oil palm) is legit and the owner is from my country.My upline do know the owner personally.
Only legit business and Uinvest will work things out in longterm. Other issues is not really important.

Thanks for your personal output again but this is not solid proof I want. Thanks anyway =)

[NikSam]

First of all ask BO of that oil palm project how much money he got from Uinvest.
and what percent on that loan they have to pay back to uinvest.

Compare those numbers to
1. how many shares were actually sold, multiply it by initial price of share.
2. and to % of monthly dividend those shares pay


Now You would never get the numbers from BO, cause Uinvest forbid him to talk about it in their NDA,
is it not strange? even during Management chats that your BO was asked those questions admins told him right away not to answer that,
why such a big secret ? are not the numbers obvious and must represent shares data ?


Another BO managed to answer that question, the problem is he said he pays 10% a month on the loan, but his shares on Uinvest pay 15% a month.
Now from couple more GUN BOs i have information, that they in fact got only small portion of money Ui raised from investors.

What proofs do you have Uinvest is a legal business ?

Anyway, it is just going too far and too deep.
The fact remains a fact Uinvest is not licensed to offer any investments to public in US or Ukraine or anywhere in the world.
Even if they did what they claim they do is illegal without proper licensing in each jurisdiction they sell investments to.
You trying to say that illegal company trying to make everyone rich and has only good intentions ?

Oh yeah, i also heard an excuse they are hiding cause afraid of Ukrainian government will come and take all the money.
one of the most ridiculous things i ever heard.

[NikSam]

Other issues is not really important.


8 years in Ukranian prison for operators of Uinvest are not important ?

Also note that money will not be recovered when this one goes kaboom.
Money are not in Ukraine or US, and Uinvest is very careful where and how they hide it, so do not expect any receivership.

[littleroundman]

You keep saying Uinvest is ponzi scheme. But do you have any proof? I am here looking for solid proof not based on your personal opinion.

What sort of "PROOF" would satisfy you, lordgiap ???

This isn't TV, you know.

The bad guys don't wear black and speak out of the corner of their mouth.

Scammers hide stuff.

That's why they are called scammers.

I'll tell you what.

Don't believe us.

Sell the farm, borrow the money. Get your parents to invest their savings.

You want absolute "PROOF" ??

I can guarantee you that you'll get all the "PROOF" you need if you do send Uinvest yours or your parents' life savings.

[lordgiap]

What sort of "PROOF" would satisfy you, lordgiap ???

This isn't TV, you know.

The bad guys don't wear black and speak out of the corner of their mouth.

Scammers hide stuff.

That's why they are called scammers.

I'll tell you what.

Don't believe us.

Sell the farm, borrow the money. Get your parents to invest their savings.

You want absolute "PROOF" ??

I can guarantee you that you'll get all the "PROOF" you need if you do send Uinvest yours or your parents' life savings.


Ofcause no one has any solid proof if yes they would have submit them to FBI — Cyber Crime (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/cyber)

Since there is no solid proof of Uinvest scam so we can only conclude only time will tell right? =)

[NikSam]

Ofcause no one has any solid proof if yes they would have submit them to FBI — Cyber Crime (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/cyber)

Since there is no solid proof of Uinvest scam so we can only conclude only time will tell right? =)

There is solid proof they operating illegally, and it is not just opinion its the law.
And what makes you think they are not investigated already? (i'll give you a hint, money are well hidden.)

[lordgiap]

I dont think so they operate illegally. If yes their office would have close down before we judge them lol
If you think they have been investigated already then you might need think of zeekler. =)

[NikSam]

I dont think so they operate illegally. If yes their office would have close down before we judge them lol

That's only your opinion, but there are also laws. They are low profile and not a big threat
to most authorities concerns, do you know how many scams out there ?
do you know how many get busted per day ? do you know how long it takes to do an investigation ?
Do you think most will care if there are no complaints yet ?

Take a look how many online sites just France declared yesterday operating illegally:
www. 4xp.com/fr - www.astonforex.com - www.bforex.com - www.cfxmarkets.com - www. finanzasforex.com - www.flameltrade.fr - www.forextrada.com - www. fxcast.com - www. fxfrance.fr - www.gcitrading.com - www.ihforex.com - www.ikkotrader.com - www.instaforex.com - www. itnfx.com - www.iustrader.com - www.obroker.com - www.netotrade.com - www.sunbirdfx.com - www.tradaxa.com - www.trader369.com

Even little Malta declared on the same day these sites operating illegally:
www.thebank.co, www.sanefxbinary.com, www.richlazytrader.com, www.fxpro2.com and www.goldtradepro.com

see more from CONSOB http://www.consob.it/mainen/target/investors/warnings/index.html


I am 100% sure someone out there in some country already investigating your uinvest without even submitted complaints.
Be patient...

[ribshaw]

Lordgiap,

Far be it from me to try and convince someone who wants to piss away their money, and possibly their family and friends that they are making a mistake. Like a lot of people here I want to allow people who are interested to make an informed decision. All you have in evaluating ANY situation is a series of data points, be that a business, or crossing the street. So here is what I would propose you do, but not so much you as anyone who wants to see how these things develop and play out.

Start with this tread, I don't know when Myriad Force showed up looking for Empirical Evidence of Profitable Sunrise being a fraud.

http://www.realscam.com/f9/profitable-sunrise-hyip-has-anybody-dug-through-yet-1795/

Next I would point you to this thread, because of the way publicly available data points were put together, coupled with a rudimentary understanding of finance.

http://www.realscam.com/f12/bayshore-capital-investments-bh-group-651/

Finally if you were really ambitious you could randomly pick 10, 20 , 50, 100 OLDER treads, I have not read all of them, but I bet you can not find one that did not end in :crying_2: and :brokenheart:. Not because of negative bloggers, or people who don't have concrete evidence, but because beyond a good story there nothing in the business history of the world that makes the returns these frauds are offering probable, much less possible.

[ICCBernd]

I know that you are not really understand how Uinvest works. I wish there is some senior Uinvest member here to clarify the legitness of the business.

May your wish become true. Oh wow, it just happened! I am what you are searching for. But well, I will not fulfill 100% of your wish. Let me be clear: I am following Uinvest since the beginning and also have some bucks in there as it is interesting to watch what is going on over there. But I will for sure not say they are legit. Uinvest is a Ponzi. Yes, they are doing some real business with GUN, but that does not make them legit or real in any way. They are violating pretty much every securities laws in pretty much every country and their ukrainian businesses have been proven several times to be a fake. It is even on their forum. If you want to believe their lies to fight that off then feel free to do so. Also the GUN businesses are a partly Ponzi scheme. Proofs? Business owners pay much less than the rate that is offered by Uinvest, if you ask them about the contract you get banned. They pay the monthly profits for businesses that failed while the business owner has never seen any money. Thats a fact, happened to the Honey project. I recommend you to enjoy the money as long as you still can. It will stop working sooner as you might think ;).

[lordgiap]

May your wish become true. Oh wow, it just happened! I am what you are searching for. But well, I will not fulfill 100% of your wish. Let me be clear: I am following Uinvest since the beginning and also have some bucks in there as it is interesting to watch what is going on over there. But I will for sure not say they are legit. Uinvest is a Ponzi. Yes, they are doing some real business with GUN, but that does not make them legit or real in any way. They are violating pretty much every securities laws in pretty much every country and their ukrainian businesses have been proven several times to be a fake. It is even on their forum. If you want to believe their lies to fight that off then feel free to do so. Also the GUN businesses are a partly Ponzi scheme. Proofs? Business owners pay much less than the rate that is offered by Uinvest, if you ask them about the contract you get banned. They pay the monthly profits for businesses that failed while the business owner has never seen any money. Thats a fact, happened to the Honey project. I recommend you to enjoy the money as long as you still can. It will stop working sooner as you might think ;).

Ok I take your advice. Thanks for the information. still I hope they can proof us wrong..haha

[lordgiap]

Lordgiap,

Far be it from me to try and convince someone who wants to piss away their money, and possibly their family and friends that they are making a mistake. Like a lot of people here I want to allow people who are interested to make an informed decision. All you have in evaluating ANY situation is a series of data points, be that a business, or crossing the street. So here is what I would propose you do, but not so much you as anyone who wants to see how these things develop and play out.

Start with this tread, I don't know when Myriad Force showed up looking for Empirical Evidence of Profitable Sunrise being a fraud.

http://www.realscam.com/f9/profitable-sunrise-hyip-has-anybody-dug-through-yet-1795/

Next I would point you to this thread, because of the way publicly available data points were put together, coupled with a rudimentary understanding of finance.

http://www.realscam.com/f12/bayshore-capital-investments-bh-group-651/

Finally if you were really ambitious you could randomly pick 10, 20 , 50, 100 OLDER treads, I have not read all of them, but I bet you can not find one that did not end in :crying_2: and :brokenheart:. Not because of negative bloggers, or people who don't have concrete evidence, but because beyond a good story there nothing in the business history of the world that makes the returns these frauds are offering probable, much less possible.

Thanks for all the information and patient with me. Appreciated =)

[lkjhgfdsa]

Hey guys, i am new here. i am just wondering what do you guys think about new terms of service by UI? Is this just for show or people in US cannot invest there anymore? Nik, i especially want to know your opinion.

This is a copy-paste from the website. I also want to hear from all of you.

The information displayed on Sites, including any related or affiliated Sites, materials, pamphlets, and otherwise (“Sites”), are not intended for viewers and/or United States citizens (as defined in regulation S of the US Securities Act of 1933), or persons with residence in the United States (and any territories covered by the laws of the United States) (“Restricted nation” or “Restricted citizen”). All information or content in the Sites, or linked from the Sites, is not intended to constitute either an offer to sell or a solicitation to buy any investment to any Restricted citizen in the Restricted nation. Any party reviewing the Sites acknowledges that information contained on or related to the Sites may contain solicitations for investments, offerings, programs for raising money, or lending/borrowing platforms which are not registered securities under the US Securities Act of 1933, and therefore all Restricted citizens understand and agree that they are barred and prohibited from soliciting, investing or even potentially from viewing the content on the Sites, and each visitor to the Sites represents and warrants that they are not a Restricted citizen and do not live in a Restricted nation. The information or content in the sites may not be viewed, considered, distributed or acted upon by any Restricted citizen. UInvest is considering registering an affiliated company in the United States as an intermediary (funding portal) when the JOBS Act of 2012 is implemented, and at such time certain crowdfunding offerings may be available for viewing. However until such time that UInvest, or an affiliate, obtains all the necessary licenses and approvals, no Restricted citizens are deemed to be invited, solicited, or allowed to invest in any foreign offering offered by UInvest. By accessing the following pages of the Sites you confirm that you have seen, understood, and accepted these terms and conditions and confirm that you are not a Restricted citizen and are not from a Restricted nation.

[ribshaw]

LKJ, let me take a crack at a few things.

Regulation S allows a company to sell securities outside the US without registering them with the SEC. Basically they can not solicit American investors and the transactions must be conducted offshore. (Short version, I am not an attorney) Since I have chatted with people presumably in the US who are invested they have already run afoul of Regulation S. Additionally, they have a seminar coming up in a few days, and I am not assuming the intent is to lift spirits and save souls. CONFERENCE PROGRAM (http://www.uinvestconference.com/conference_program)

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Fortunately I found an attorney online who had posted some information on Regulation S, I took 1 screenshot and linked the rest. You will notice, that "directed sales by issuer or affiliate" all violate Regulation S. http://www.mofo.com/files/Uploads/Images/FAQs-Regulation-S.pdf

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So all of this begs the question what type of organization violates laws and then pretends to comply with them? If this disclaimer just popped up on the website it is a very bad sign, legitimate companies don't just suddenly figure these things out as they go. If they truly wanted to be in compliance they could have the disclosure and block US IP Addresses.

[ribshaw]

As a simpler alternative to the above I linked a file from the SEC website. I would pay particular attention to checking the background of an investment professional, I found nothing listed for Uinvest. Second the part where any security offered for sale must be registered or exempt, and a phone number. It would be worth making a call if the past 5 pages of information aren't sufficient to raise a red flag. http://www.sec.gov/investor/alerts/13thingstoknowaboutinvesting.pdf

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[NikSam]

Hey guys, i am new here. i am just wondering what do you guys think about new terms of service by UI? Is this just for show or people in US cannot invest there anymore? Nik, i especially want to know your opinion.


Technically most people in the world they should define as "restricted" (Including Ukrainians ),
cause you are under protection of your local laws and regulations and anyone who offers you to invest must be licensed and offer only registered securities or be part of local exemption.

Now uinvest is also operating illegally in Ukraine, do they still think it is fine to go on by putting that statement ?
Did they ever refuse US residents to invests ?
Did they ever let you read it before you opened account and sent in some money with LibertyReserve ?
Did they tell you "you are restricted" after receiving scan of your ID?

They been soliciting and selling unregistered investments to US and International public for 3rd year now,
do you think one small statement can fix the problem now?


So do they define itself as solicitors and sellers of unregistered securities publicly ?
No - thats not what they always say on their site and chat.
They say they fully legal and licensed in Ukraine and US - and that is a lie.


Calling US residents "Restricted nation" is just silly, sounds as something out of anarcho-terrorist terminology, like Frederick Mann's pitch.
It is not about US residents but about any resident of any other country where Uinvest has no required licenses to solicit investors.
They expect trouble from US, and thats why such statement was released.

Maybe some lawyers here can take a look and say if it minimizes responsibility of Uinvest in any way,
I dont think so.

It is like a drug dealer selling you heroine, but telling you if you are COP you are not allowed to buy it.

Or you buying a gun on black market and they tell you , it is only your fault, cause you not suppose to buy it, but we are legal.


BTW, when you picked your nickname here, did your keyboard just went nuts ?

[NikSam]

I also recommend to read Eagle's article on offshore investments
Eagle Research Associates, Inc. - The Myth of Offshore Companies (http://www.eagleresearchassociates.org/Myth_Offshore_Companies.php)

And I recommend you to read this interpretation from US SEC: SEC Interpretation: Use of Web Sites Offshore (http://www.sec.gov/rules/interp/33-7516.htm)

[lkjhgfdsa]

Thank you Ribshaw & Niksam, those are really helpful resources

[laidback]

BTW, when you picked your nickname here, did your keyboard just went nuts ? Nah, I think his cat picked out his nickname...! :-)

[Market! Market!]

Start with this tread, I don't know when Myriad Force showed up looking for Empirical Evidence of Profitable Sunrise being a fraud.

http://www.realscam.com/f9/profitable-sunrise-hyip-has-anybody-dug-through-yet-1795/




Perfect example. :)
I first visited this forum because of Profitable Sunrise.
I actually read all the pages of that topic and I still continue to visit it.
That topic showed everything, from how people defend the company saying there is no proof up to how it collapsed.
I highly recommend people to read that topic.
Now I visit Realscam every week.




"You will not die if you jump from the 20th floor of a building! There is no proof!"

"From a $2,500 investment, become one of the richest in the world in 15 years!"

[NikSam]

Because "Uinvest Corporate kit" (used to be at https://uinvest.com.ua/uinvest-corporate-kit)
page was taken down from the site yesterday, uploading all the images and documents from there in a single PDF here: 3691

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[lkjhgfdsa]

should also send a copy of that pdf file to LAPD :)

by the way, are those three stooges real people behind UI or are they "actors"?

[ribshaw]

by the way, are those three stooges real people behind UI or are they "actors"?

Niksam is genius at uncovering that stuff, but if you load the pictures into TinEye Reverse Image Search (http://www.tineye.com/) you can see where those photos have been used elsewhere on the interwebs. If you find anything good come back and drop us a note.

[NikSam]

should also send a copy of that pdf file to LAPD :)

by the way, are those three stooges real people behind UI or are they "actors"?

Not likely they are real, pictures are from a photo studio.

About the names, From all 3 there is only Maxim Kulakov who appears on paperwork, companies registration and in tax office in Ukraine.
Kulakov is a ghost, you can see more on him in past pages.

Danilenko and Daryalov past stated agendas do not check out.

They operate under other IT company name in Ukraine, as payments to employees, rent, etc. done through that other company.

[NikSam]

This is what support girls in chat were told to say now about if the US residents can invest


Strictly following the U.S. laws, business owners cannot draw / offer U.S. citizens to take part in any investment projects “in the U.S.”. At the same time, as we know, our field of activity is a worldwide network. Also, we must not check the citizenship of each of our clients and do not have such an opportunity. The option to choose the country depends only on our clients. Our duty is to prevent a potential / current customer of the existing constraints, and we cope with it very well. It is always up to our client to make a choice.

In order to spread our activities on the territory of the United States we must reconcile our rules with the rules of SEC. We are not an advising company and cannot give any advice, but, in my opinion, in this section I have provided enough information to the right conclusions for each of you.


During Management chat AlexPR also pointed out that they not gonna enforce the restriction.
So they will just close the eyes if US residents violate their Terms Of Service, but since they defined them as restricted in TOS there are ok in eyes of US law :)


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[laidback]

This is what support girls in chat were told to say now about if the US residents can invest


During Management chat AlexPR also pointed out that they not gonna enforce the restriction.
So they will just close the eyes if US residents violate their Terms Of Service, but since they defined them as restricted in TOS there are ok in eyes of US law :)


3693Translation: We are in violation of the law, we KNOW we are in violation of the law, we just don't give a big rats petunia...!

[NikSam]

A touching story from a Uinvest pimp:


I'm a student from Romania at Politehnica University of Bucharest. I have to pay scholar taxes, about 600$ per semester this is a huge amount for me also i need to pay for every exam that i pass about $35-$45 a lot for a usual romania family. When i discover Uinvest i was very happy thinking that this crowd funding platform can help me very much in studies. I start with 150$ because this was the amount of my pocket, i buy 2 shares and get a total 28$ per month . I say "pretty good" and i start to tell the people about Uinvest. It was a hard work to make people have trust in this company but after several weeks i start having referrals that invest till today more then 40000$ it's a good score for my work. Now i'm an GUN Agent and i earn per month 600$ this is very good for me.I will can graduate my university and Uinvest will be very happy to know that they are made the dream and passion of a student to become true, to become an Engineer in Computer Science.
I‘m pretty sure this isn‘t the most precious life story. But the fact that you managed to make a man‘s dream coming true is priceless.
Written by xanderu


URL: https://uinvest.com.ua/essay/showEssay/student-story?id=66

[BlueNight]

Hello everyone.
First i want to say that i'm glad that i found this topic about uinvest.
I will only say the true because i dont have nothing to win if i lie.
My age and name is not important.You can all call me Blue.
I have a entrepreneur degree.For months i learn about what is a business, how to start a business,classified business, accountancy (bookkeeping)...etc.
To much to explain but i can tell you that i'm not stupid when it comes to business.
I knew about uinvest few years ago but i did not give any importance to this "business"
Yesterday i found some topics where all the people say uinvest is a legal business.
So because i like to google i try to find some details about this business.
For me surprise i did not find any good details.Is like they dont exist.
I did found some topics on other sites where people say stupid things like the certificates they have from uinvest worth money.
Back to google.I did find an exemple of a certificate and i can only say one thing.Fake.They worth $0.
If you dont beleive me ask a lawyer.Ask another business man.They will say the same thing.
I told this to some uinvest members they dont beleive it.Is like i'm stupid and they are smart.
"Smart" people read the TOS of that site and you will found that those certificates worth $0.
So back to google again.
I found a guy that he things is smart because he made some calculation of those business that uinvest have your money and they are in profit and real.
Smart guy is realy a stupid one.Why i say that?Well some of that business exist only on paper.So how the "fluffy bunny" that business can make profit if is only on paper? Ask god.I dont know that kind of things.Of course i can make a business on paper that will worth as much as facebook.But how can i give your investment back if that business worth money only a paper?
So after 1 min. from reading that guy message i donwload a document to see other calculations.
Surprize, surprize.Some of them have profit of over 100% after 12 months.Bill Gates watch your back.A business center (business of what?) will buy youtube from you.
Back to that document again.Surprize is me again.Sky Resort with some realy good (fake) profit.How can you make over 400000$ per month with that business when that is a sky resort.You need snow everyday.Hmm maybe he is a friend with god and he make snow for him.
Of course all calculations are fake.Uinvest is just a ponzi scheme.Some people are to stupid to realize that.
People invest money in fake corp.They only exist on paper.Is realy nice to see profit from them but when uinvest will go down it will be very nice for people that told you they are scam.But you people think we are stupid.You are a sale man,car washer...etc.and you are smart.And we know this kind of business, we have degress but yeah we are realy realy stupid.We dont know what we talking about.
Uinvest is a ponzi scheme.Finish.

[lordgiap]

Hello everyone.
First i want to say that i'm glad that i found this topic about uinvest.
I will only say the true because i dont have nothing to win if i lie.
My age and name is not important.You can all call me Blue.
I have a entrepreneur degree.For months i learn about what is a business, how to start a business,classified business, accountancy (bookkeeping)...etc.
To much to explain but i can tell you that i'm not stupid when it comes to business.
I knew about uinvest few years ago but i did not give any importance to this "business"
Yesterday i found some topics where all the people say uinvest is a legal business.
So because i like to google i try to find some details about this business.
For me surprise i did not find any good details.Is like they dont exist.
I did found some topics on other sites where people say stupid things like the certificates they have from uinvest worth money.
Back to google.I did find an exemple of a certificate and i can only say one thing.Fake.They worth $0.
If you dont beleive me ask a lawyer.Ask another business man.They will say the same thing.
I told this to some uinvest members they dont beleive it.Is like i'm stupid and they are smart.
"Smart" people read the TOS of that site and you will found that those certificates worth $0.
So back to google again.
I found a guy that he things is smart because he made some calculation of those business that uinvest have your money and they are in profit and real.
Smart guy is realy a stupid one.Why i say that?Well some of that business exist only on paper.So how the "fluffy bunny" that business can make profit if is only on paper? Ask god.I dont know that kind of things.Of course i can make a business on paper that will worth as much as facebook.But how can i give your investment back if that business worth money only a paper?
So after 1 min. from reading that guy message i donwload a document to see other calculations.
Surprize, surprize.Some of them have profit of over 100% after 12 months.Bill Gates watch your back.A business center (business of what?) will buy youtube from you.
Back to that document again.Surprize is me again.Sky Resort with some realy good (fake) profit.How can you make over 400000$ per month with that business when that is a sky resort.You need snow everyday.Hmm maybe he is a friend with god and he make snow for him.
Of course all calculations are fake.Uinvest is just a ponzi scheme.Some people are to stupid to realize that.
People invest money in fake corp.They only exist on paper.Is realy nice to see profit from them but when uinvest will go down it will be very nice for people that told you they are scam.But you people think we are stupid.You are a sale man,car washer...etc.and you are smart.And we know this kind of business, we have degress but yeah we are realy realy stupid.We dont know what we talking about.
Uinvest is a ponzi scheme.Finish.


You have good point. Can you share out those calculation?
But I am really surprise that they can survive for so long.

[NikSam]

You have good point. Can you share out those calculation?
But I am really surprise that they can survive for so long.

I think that was refered to a post witch calculations in official Uinvest forum, titled something like "OMG, Uinvest is for real"
That guy conclusions were based on that he never been lied to :)

Uinvest is not the longest ponzi online, its just breaking its 3rd year.

There were and still are longest Ponzis online,
comes to my mind for example VGMC

and Ukrainian #1 ponzi MMCIS (which by the way hosted at exactly same german datacenter and hosting company where uinvest was hosted till March 2013)

[lordgiap]

I think that was refered to a post witch calculations in official Uinvest forum, titled something like "OMG, Uinvest is for real"
That guy conclusions were based on that he never been lied to :)

Uinvest is not the longest ponzi online, its just breaking its 3rd year.

There were and still are longest Ponzis online,
comes to my mind for example VGMC

and Ukrainian #1 ponzi MMCIS (which by the way hosted at exactly same german datacenter and hosting company where uinvest was hosted till March 2013)


I dont see any negative comments in "OMG, Uinvest is for real". But I really have to say if this is ponzi that would be the best ponzi ever online. Imagine that they only take money (selling shares ) average 2 shares per month and they did manage to payout so much money from the "total projects". Its a WOW they manage to do that.

[Fat City, LA]

I dont see any negative comments in "OMG, Uinvest is for real". But I really have to say if this is ponzi that would be the best ponzi ever online. Imagine that they only take money (selling shares ) average 2 shares per month and they did manage to payout so much money from the "total projects". Its a WOW they manage to do that.

They might as well list "Santi Claus Workshop" and "Good Ship Lollypop" as projects. Its as real as what they throw out there.
Must have some other revenue source. Ukraine underworld? I worry about the guy investigating them on here.

Longest hyip I can think of was Eurex Trade-700 plus days of paying. (went overnight)
I went through their listed forex trades. They were trading, and had a talent for it.Just got cold and lost it all.

[lordgiap]

They might as well list "Santi Claus Workshop" and "Good Ship Lollypop" as projects. Its as real as what they throw out there.
Must have some other revenue source. Ukraine underworld? I worry about the guy investigating them on here.

Longest hyip I can think of was Eurex Trade-700 plus days of paying. (went overnight)
I went through their listed forex trades. They were trading, and had a talent for it.Just got cold and lost it all.

Yeah I was with Eurotrade as well and I did plan to compound my capital for a year but **** happens. ahah
In forex without proper money management we can lose all in one night. They might have other revenue sources but I dont think they will be willing to share with us as they already collected more than 100mils.

Imagine they paying average 13% monthly to investor plus up to 20% referral commissions(Gun agent 15%, Regional Manager 20%, investors like me 14.5%).
How could they pay so much out? I could not find any other reasons except they really get 10% profit from all dividend paid out.

So Uinvest is only able to survive if their projects are real. So far I already contacted 2 GUN agent and proofed they did refer the project to Uinvest. Oil Palm and Conventional Dredger. I will report here if I manage to get more. :RpS_smile:

[littleroundman]

You really have no idea how a HYIP ponzi fraud works, do you, lordgiap ??

How incredibly sad you believe what you've been told is true.

[lordgiap]

You really have no idea how a HYIP ponzi fraud works, do you, lordgiap ??

How incredibly sad you believe what you've been told is true.

Ofcause I understand how ponzi works. At least there is 2 GUN agent proof me this is not ponzi. Hope there is more to proof me wrong.
I will keep my money there for dividend till they last. =)

[NikSam]

Ofcause I understand how ponzi works. At least there is 2 GUN agent proof me this is not ponzi. Hope there is more to proof me wrong.
I will keep my money there for dividend till they last. =)

Your GUN Agents know nothing, they did their job - found a business and have no idea what UI signed the business owner for.
Just ask them to show a loan agreement those businesses signed, if you lucky to see it, see the sum they got and percent they have to pay and compare to their share on the site.

Did not you get it how it works?
GUN Loans are there just as an excuse, but shares UI sell in connection to that loan actually have no connection.

Now thats only about GUN business.
Every NON GUN crap which from ex-soviet union is fake.

And you forgetting another small thing, UI pays nothing out, just cheap change, money stays in , just moves from one investor to another.
Inflows right now and for most of the time were always higher, just see what happens when new shares released, all investors running like crazy to buy new ones while they can.

On another note, you are really silly person if you think that an illegally operating company would go through the trouble making amazing profits for silly you.

[lordgiap]

Your GUN Agents know nothing, they did their job - found a business and have no idea what UI signed the business owner for.
Just ask them to show a loan agreement those businesses signed, if you lucky to see it, see the sum they got and percent they have to pay and compare to their share on the site.

Did not you get it how it works?
GUN Loans are there just as an excuse, but shares UI sell in connection to that loan actually have no connection.

Now thats only about GUN business.
Every NON GUN crap which from ex-soviet union is fake.

And you forgetting another small thing, UI pays nothing out, just cheap change, money stays in , just moves from one investor to another.
Inflows right now and for most of the time were always higher, just see what happens when new shares released, all investors running like crazy to buy new ones while they can.

On another note, you are really silly person if you think that an illegally operating company would go through the trouble making amazing profits for silly you.

Yeah maybe you are right or maybe not. But I already know this is high risk investment so I just invest what I can afford to lose.
Uinvest will come out new TOS after conference. Lets see how it goes =)

[ICCBernd]

I have to pick up the Eurex Trade topic again which has been mentioned above. They did not trade at all. Those statistics were faked. If you still have some of them you should compare with the real rates. You will notice that they did some mistakes every once in a while. Its nothing but smoke and mirrors. Hundreds of HYIPs have shown such statistics in the past. Whoever would be able to generate such profits like Eurex displayed them would for sure not work for a shady company but at some of the biggest banks in the world.


Yeah maybe you are right or maybe not. But I already know this is high risk investment so I just invest what I can afford to lose.
Uinvest will come out new TOS after conference. Lets see how it goes =)

Its not about maybe. What Nik says here is a fact. There are solid proofs out there, just verify it yourself. Agents know nothing, BOs know nothing. Maybe I should get a loan from Uinvest with my company and make all the stuff public after it for you to see how real this money game is. Another thing I always have to laugh about is, if people say "It is online for over 3 years so it has to be real". Better look into the history of Ponzi games, it is not about how long it is running. The only thing you have to look at in order to find out if something is real or not is the law. If it does not comply, it is not real. Should I quote Ukraine securities laws?

[Fat City, LA]

Yeah I was with Eurotrade as well and I did plan to compound my capital for a year but **** happens. ahah
In forex without proper money management we can lose all in one night. They might have other revenue sources but I dont think they will be willing to share with us as they already collected more than 100mils.

Imagine they paying average 13% monthly to investor plus up to 20% referral commissions(Gun agent 15%, Regional Manager 20%, investors like me 14.5%).
How could they pay so much out? I could not find any other reasons except they really get 10% profit from all dividend paid out.

So Uinvest is only able to survive if their projects are real. So far I already contacted 2 GUN agent and proofed they did refer the project to Uinvest. Oil Palm and Conventional Dredger. I will report here if I manage to get more. :RpS_smile:

Univest projects are real? Because GUN agents told you they were?
Why would they lie? Its not like they have reasons for more rubes to come aboard.

You've heard the expession just fell off the turnip truck?

[baylee]

Yeah maybe you are right or maybe not. But I already know this is high risk investment so I just invest what I can afford to lose.
Uinvest will come out new TOS after conference. Lets see how it goes =)

How many times have I seen the exact same words from true believers (if indeed you are one) I and most people on here already know what words will come soon.

[lordgiap]

Guys I understand...it might scam tonight or tomorrow but their company development(more and more features been added up and support it good) and dedication(they have overcome so many problem instead of closing down) I like their spirit and I am ready to lose as well. 1 more month I am in profit so why not let me money stays there? xD

[NikSam]

Here is what "Dave Darrel" said
about negative sites

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URL: US Investors (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?20298-US-Investors)

[littleroundman]

Guys I understand...it might scam tonight or tomorrow but their company development(more and more features been added up and support it good) and dedication(they have overcome so many problem instead of closing down) I like their spirit and I am ready to lose as well. 1 more month I am in profit so why not let me money stays there? xD

You're a HYIP ponzi player, we get that.

So why did you find it necessary to come here to REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) and pretend to be looking for information ??

[lordgiap]

yeah I was looking for information but none of the information convinced enough.

[NikSam]

Release of a new shares today crashes the hell out of the site.

Have you heard of a panic when people rushing to get in and not out ? :)

Definitely "right" managed ponzi.

[ICCBernd]

Their conference in LA started now and the first pictures arrived. Seems like we've got a "Stepsys 2.0".

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Oh, one moment! It looks like he learned it from the real Stepsys! This guy is known from Bannersbroker Ponzi scheme already under the name "Riky BBitalia". Seems like one Ponzi at a time is not enough.

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[ICCBernd]

Childs over there at the Uinvest HYIP Ponzi scheme being anti SEC.

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[NikSam]

can't decode most of it :)

[NikSam]

Here is our new "freind" Riky BBItalia with
a guy who is claimed to be the CEO of Uinvest at Beverly Hills Uinvest conference.

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The CEO now is using a name "Eugene Rubin" and if you followed the story about Uinvest in China expo according to dengboss's (chinesse uinvestor) earliest posts on his blog
was known as "Vitaliy Danilenko" and later according to dengboss (again) became "Eugene Rubin".

Picture from the expo in China:
http://www.realscam.com/attachments/f8/3373d1363526187t-uinvest-again-scam-not-fake_vitaliy.jpg

Past posts about it:
#post49114 (http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index3.html#post49114)
#post51865 (http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index4.html#post51865)
#post51869 (http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index4.html#post51869)
#post51874 (http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index4.html#post51874)

And a video from China's event: https://vimeo.com/61457876

[Fat City, LA]

Can you tell a scammer just by looking at them? If yes, bad things ahead for Uinvest. :whip_the_worker:

[fromthehood]

Guys I understand...it might scam tonight or tomorrow but their company development(more and more features been added up and support it good) and dedication(they have overcome so many problem instead of closing down) I like their spirit and I am ready to lose as well. 1 more month I am in profit so why not let me money stays there? xD

Ok, I honestly did not see their calculations. I only see that they promise to return money in two years. And that projects will be debt free in under a year. I am originally in Ukraine, and I can clear some details. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the World and definitely most corrupt country in Europe. To make business there you have to have Government or Organized crime connections. In both cases, money will be messed up in criminal(for Westerners) transitions. Second, price of basic goods like bread is influenced heavily by Government decisions. So it is not a free market they can raise prices as they want. Also, completely automated factories can undercut prices to other factories in the developed world, but in Ukraine where labor is almost as dirt cheap as in China, cost of automated machinery will be much more expensive than a labour.

In other words, if you understood something in Economics or lived in that part of the world, you would see how stupid their calculations are.

[Fat City, LA]

I'm thinking SEC, FBI, Homeland Security gets a call tomorrow.
These greasers could be funding terrorism. Either way its fraud.

[NikSam]

... I only see that they promise to return money in two years ....


Small correction - each project "pay" 10% - 20% a month, so it makes 100% return under 1 year.



... Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the World and definitely most corrupt country in Europe.

I would not say that, things are getting better, you can see right laws are enacted and enforced.
I know it is considered by some the Capital of the Scams.
Taking into account that the current president is an ex-convict on 2 counts (armed robbery and assault)
and recent outrageous con, when entire Government was conned by one guy: Ukraine duped by con man in billion-dollar gas deal – Erin Burnett OutFront - - CNN.com Blogs (http://outfront.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/29/ukraine-duped-by-con-man-in-billion-dollar-gas-deal/)
and recent announcement from Ukrainian SEC (NSSMC) that 18 thousand companies are in direct violation of security laws: http://smida.gov.ua/news/publications/stop_kadr_regulyator_fondovogo_rynka_nameren_zapre tit_operacii_s_akciyami_vsekh_otkrytykh_i_zakrytyk h_akcionernykh_obshhestv_shtrafnikami_okazalis_oko lo_18_tysyach_kompanijj

I see how Uinvest is trying to convince their investors that Ukraine is a magic place with emerging markets, but recession brought a credit squeeze
and businesses have no choice but pay 10%+ a month on loans to Uinvest cause there are no other options - that is outright lie, even loansharks in Ukraine charge less.





.... To make business there you have to have Government or Organized crime connections....


They would not be hiding their location in Ukraine if they had such connections. They virtually do not exist in Ukraine.





... if you understood something in Economics or lived in that part of the world, you would see how stupid their calculations are....


And that is also a reason why Ukrainian and Russian IP addresses blocked by their site.

[NikSam]

On another note, this was filmed in center of Kiev, Ukraine yesterday.

A MMM russian-ponzi promoter screams "Money, money , free money"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kslZycARvM&feature=player_embedded

Thats the way to promote a ponzi, take the notes Ken Russo, Nanci Jo Frazer and the rest ponzi pimps out there.

[fromthehood]

Small correction - each project "pay" 10% - 20% a month, so it makes 100% return under 1 year.


They would not be hiding their location in Ukraine if they had such connections. They virtually do not exist in Ukraine.




From what I saw that "profit" is 10% - 20% a month, but they will repay to "investors" in two years.

That was my point too. This is a small con job operation, but definitely loosely related to worldwide crime.

And things did not get better there. Check out Worldwide Corruption Perception Index. Ukraine is in #144 in the world just below Syria. In 2011 Ukraine was in 152, but that survey had 7 mour countries, so improvement is false.
2012 Corruption Perceptions Index -- Results (http://www.transparency.org/cpi2012/results)

[Fat City, LA]

there is a Sri Lankan Univest GUN agent spamming PS thread. He gets blasted, its hilarious.
https://www.facebook.com/profitablesunrisereviewlegit?fref=ts

[Fat City, LA]

there is a Sri Lankan Univest GUN agent spamming PS thread. He gets blasted, its hilarious.
https://www.facebook.com/profitablesunrisereviewlegit?fref=ts

The GUN thread is down.-should have done a screen shot

They have a song now::scared_1:
https://uinvest.com.ua/news/20995-enjoy-the-uinvest-anthem-it-is-now-available

[littleroundman]

Why mess around, go straight to the MP3:

UinvestMaster-New_01.mp3

(http://ge.tt/5I5F3Yf/v/0)Eurovision Song Contest look out, here comes the Uinvest Anthem

[BlueNight]

We will see this scam people like this one:
Ponzi Promoter Shot In The Center Of Kiev | InternetCyberCrime.com (http://internetcybercrime.com/man-shot-in-the-center-of-kiev/)
I think the people that invest in this scam site think that we are stupid.
But hey the mafia believe us :)) and they realy take actions.

[Fat City, LA]

fb page is high comedy

https://www.facebook.com/UInvestcompany

[ribshaw]

fb page is high comedy

https://www.facebook.com/UInvestcompany

This is sort of interesting although not real clever, I post this for anyone reviewing Uinvest for objective discussion. There was a poster named Chuckwaka who had posted some things questioning the legitimacy of Uinvest You will notice from the screen shot that people are talking to him, but his posts have been removed. So when you show up at these pages and all you see is people gushing over each other about how great things are please keep this in mind.

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[Fat City, LA]

They took down dozens of anti Uinvest posts since my post above.

The last post=wife and husband QUIT job? See that all time in ponzi. PS and JBP/PC it was a theme.

[laidback]

This is sort of interesting although not real clever, I post this for anyone reviewing Uinvest for objective discussion. There was a poster named Chuckwaka who had posted some things questioning the legitimacy of Uinvest You will notice from the screen shot that people are talking to him, but his posts have been removed. So when you show up at these pages and all you see is people gushing over each other about how great things are please keep this in mind.

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That is pretty much SOP with these scams, threaten members with account cancellations if they criticize, and delete most, if not all critical posts. Another common ploy is to open a private forum so they think they have total control/censorship.

[ribshaw]

That is pretty much SOP with these scams, threaten members with account cancellations if they criticize, and delete most, if not all critical posts. Another common ploy is to open a private forum so they think they have total control/censorship.

I am beginning to see that pop up over and over. Fortunately thanks to Poyol :RpS_thumbsup:I have mastered the screen shot and now when I see something that makes me giggle I scoop it right up. Plus it is nice to save for the archives if people like NJF claim I never said that, I am a victim just like you.

[scratchycat]

Their conference in LA started now and the first pictures arrived. Seems like we've got a "Stepsys 2.0".

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Oh, one moment! It looks like he learned it from the real Stepsys! This guy is known from Bannersbroker Ponzi scheme already under the name "Riky BBitalia". Seems like one Ponzi at a time is not enough.

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He's the idiot - no, he is the idiot!!!

[scratchycat]

I am beginning to see that pop up over and over. Fortunately thanks to Poyol :RpS_thumbsup:I have mastered the screen shot and now when I see something that makes me giggle I scoop it right up. Plus it is nice to save for the archives if people like NJF claim I never said that, I am a victim just like you.

Even better with Win 8 there is a snipping tool, works great!!

[NikSam]

Their "Management Chat" just started on uinvest.com.ua site, so if someone curious how brainwashed the people there are
might join.

[NikSam]

Ok, before visitors from Russian and Ukrainian IP addresses
saw this page when trying to get to uinvest.com.ua address:

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Before that , in 2010, they were quietly redirected to webcam-list.com (other site of Dimitriy (http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index2.html#post47385))

So lately (i noticed that a week ago), if you happen to be coming from Ukraine or Russian IP address (which are not whitelisted by UI on request), you will see this:

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And if you come from any western, asian, american IP address, everything is fine and working :)

[ribshaw]

Well, this poor lass is having a heck of a time getting anyone to provide her with any due diligence.

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Here is a snip of the q&a, but I am having a hard time seeing why she would want to part with any of her tip money, much less her husband's insurance proceeds.

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[ribshaw]

Goodness, it takes the folks at UIvest long enough to answer this poor girl's questions. Finally last line, not registered with the SEC, conducts no financial operations in the US. Americans can rest easy knowing they will not be asking you to invest.

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[NikSam]

Goodness, it takes the folks at UIvest long enough to answer this poor girl's questions. Finally last line, not registered with the SEC, conducts no financial operations in the US. Americans can rest easy knowing they will not be asking you to invest.
...

Well we all know it's a lie.
They just have to say that now :)
There is sufficient amount US citizens as investors in Uinvest.

This is what they say after change of TOS, and its still ok for americans to invest, they try to pretend it's responsibility of investors and not theirs.

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And this was sent to me by one lawyer , the conversation which took place I think months before the change of TOS:
http://i.imgur.com/iLTZavH.jpg

[ribshaw]

I suspected as much, these folks have no shame. Nice to get it in writing both ways for the folks who actually come here and want something more than "screenname345" says he just got paid.

[mdnc100]

Online Crowdfunding platform with over 5.000.000 $ paid MONTHLY

I am a silly little spammer who thinks I can come on an anti scam forum and promote my latest get-rich-quick scheme and get away with it

[mdnc100]

it a FACT? or just another opinion ?

Persistent l'il spammer, ain't I ??

I live by the motto "If at first you don't succeed, spam, spam and spam again"

[Fat City, LA]

it a FACT? or just another opinion ?

Persistent l'il spammer, ain't I ??

I live by the motto "If at first you don't succeed, spam, spam and spam again"

It pays right now. Congrats for you but this one will gut folks when they run.

Just 'The Long Con'- these 'bz opps' in Ukraine might as well be in Narnia or Middle Earth managed by Willie Wonka.

[ICCBernd]

Now it seems like this scam wants to recruit poor kids.


As we have announced projects GUN Academy and UIdonate conduct lectures for children deprived of parental care.

Yesterday we visited the orphanage "Hope" in the Kiev region and conducted training on "Careers. Motivation and self-motivation". We talked about future careers, dreams and goals in life. Children leave school and it's time to decide how you see yourself in future life and how to achieve it. It turned out that a few guys dream of becoming chefs! We have been assured that kids will have a good future, when the orphans fed us really well, very delicious dinner and gave us tea with herbs that have collected themselves.

We were surrounded by such warmth and care that we want to go back there again and again! Children are waiting for us to visit them with new seminar topics, though it rather resembled a chat with old friends.

Training in the orphanage "Hope" (http://uidonate.com/Recent-events/Training-in-the-orphanage-Hope)

PDF Copy of the page:
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As you can see "Lucy McFarland" aka "Lyudmila Kovalyova" managed that "event".

[ribshaw]

Caught this update last night on you blog, good stuff. WestPark Capital Supporting Ukrainian Ponzi Scheme “Uinvest” | InternetCyberCrime.com (http://internetcybercrime.com/westpark-capital-supporting-ukrainian-ponzi-scheme-uinvest/)

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[ICCBernd]

They have published two videos from their conference:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3DfGafaK2w

Second one: Our dear UICC 2013 guests - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hV7FTO1mdk)

[NikSam]

After Liberty Reserve is shut down.
Uinvestors are in panic mode, looking for an alternative...
And what does Uinvest offer ? They pimp their own (completely dysfunctional ) Payment processor upay.net

Liberty Reserve is the Matter of the Past, UPay Offers Bright Future - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/liberty-matter-past-upay-offers-172700014.html)



... UPay is a fantastic alternative to Liberty Reserve. It is a young and ambitious company, stands out among other smaller players, due to its legitimacy and credibility. ....


Hm, hm, where does the claim of legitimacy comes from ?
does Upay have MSB license of a sort ? - No
Is it even a registered company ? - No

[laidback]

After Liberty Reserve is shut down.
Uinvestors are in panic mode, looking for an alternative...
And what does Uinvest offer ? They pimp their own (completely dysfunctional ) Payment processor upay.net

Liberty Reserve is the Matter of the Past, UPay Offers Bright Future - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/liberty-matter-past-upay-offers-172700014.html)



Hm, hm, where does the claim of legitimacy comes from ?
does Upay have MSB license of a sort ? - No
Is it even a registered company ? - No
Hmmm, you are obviously struggling with how this scenario works. All claims by scams, no matter how ludicrous, are accepted unquestionably, whereas all claims by scambusters require "proof"...!

[EagleOne]

I see members talking about wireFP as a means for payment now. How is that different from upay.net? I also think claiming that Uinvest is done is a bit premature.

[NikSam]

I see members talking about wireFP as a means for payment now. How is that different from upay.net? I also think claiming that Uinvest is done is a bit premature.

FPs are users themselves,including WireFP, exchanging balances by trading their money in Ui to other payment methods ( paypal, perfect money, STP, netteller, bankwire, etc)

After LR is gone they all switched to huge fees and their balances were not enough to hold the load. I think it is impossible to withdraw for most.

UPay.net seems will be the same structure, "Agents", anyone can become one, will be exchanging the balances.


I did not claim Uinvest is done, i believe they might fix the problem

[NikSam]

A new set of lies in today's post from Uinvest management.
URL: https://uinvest.com.ua/news/21047-a-question-answer-compilation-with-the-detailed-information

So now they saying that Liberty Reserve account which Uinvest was using is not theirs but belongs to one of the partners who offered them that service.
Strange , why than 3 accounts (U6045024, U7395707, U8029405) that "partner" ever used had the name "Uinvest Inc." and contact email addresses and other details were also theirs? will let feds to figure it out since they got LR database :)

And why old Payza account was used and registered as "info@uinvest.com.ua" ? and How all of it contradicts what they said when Payza kicked them out ? And how last year they said they made their lawyer to unfreeze their LR account? :) (can still find all of that on their own site's forum )

They also say, wait a minute, we do not have your money and never had, its all Financial Partners and Buisness owners (with their illegal operations - by me), we just a site aka MarketPlace who lets them to do that and therefore we are legal and do not need to have any licenses :)
so how do they deduct their commissions if money never touches their hands ? :)

This is one of the biggest set of lies from them, but it gave some assurance to now panicking investors.




A question-answer compilation with the detailed information
Friday, 15:28
07 June 2013
Being always open to public, and especially to our clients, we've decided to make a question-answer compilation that should satisfy the interest of the existing clients, and wash away any hesitations of new joiners.

Below we will enlight the situation that recently happened to LR as well as the main concepts of UInvest's activity.

As you know, recently one of the most popular anonymous electronic money processors closed down, and it is no longer in business. Of course, here we talk about LR. We did not care whether its business was legal or not, but we do care of the situation that turned out among our uinvestors after the close-down took place. There might be some people who lost not only money, but also faith. We should try to separate the truth from lies, give answers to some questions that are mostly asked by our uinvestors.

First of all, "has Uinvest lost money in LR?" No, it has not, as it is impossible in any payment system. It's impossisible not only technically, but also from a legal perspective.

Let's dig deeper.

From the very beginning Uinvest had a goal to create a marketplace that would enable to make deals between business owners and individuals. From the financial standpoint, it clearly means that Uinvest cannot be the owner neither of business shares nor of uinvestors' funds. Otherwise, Uinvest would not be a marketplace, but an intermediary that will itself dive into an investment process and carry the risks. Do you remember there was a long debate among uinvestors on the topic if Uinvest had to have a license for its financial activities? The only correct answer is NO, it does not, as the company is not involved in any processes that take place between business owners and uinvestors. Therefore, UInvest has no grounds to accept funds on behalf of or in business and uinvestors' interests, that is why you will never see Uinvest accounts that accumulate funds in any payment system.
"But we did have an opportunity to add funds to our UI accounts directly through LR", you would say. Yes, taking into consideration some special popularity of LR, we, with the help of one of our financial partners, could make it technically possible for our uinvestors. But the funds located there belong to a financial partner, not to Uinvest.

"Why is everything so complicated and inconvenient? You could open accounts in neteller, stp, etc... It would be so convenient to work directly", many of you used to say.

No doubts, it would be very convenient. But the thing is it would not be Uinvest anymore, it would be something else. By accepting somebody's money, we take on somebody's responsibility as well as risk. And this is at the time when we are talking about millions of dollars a month, and the amount keeps increasing! Only professional players of financial markest can take on such risks, e.g. banks, brokers, insurance companies, etc. That is why even if we decided to open accounts in some pseudo payment systems, and trusted them such amounts of money (does not sound smart, does it?), they would have to refuse working with us, otherwise they would have violated law and met all its consequences.

"So how does it all work?" - another popular question of existing uinvestors, and uinvestors-to-be.

Everything is pretty simple. We arranged financial partners, i.e. those marketplace players, that take on the responsibility for financial transactions. That is why when any participant wants to add or withdraw funds, they cooperate with a financial intermediary, who works with all those neteller, stp, and so on. When competing for a client among each other, they offer the marketplace participants the best conditions of service. Of course, UInvest made everything possible to ensure that all transactions flow smooth and safe.

We cannot tell FPs the percentage and so on, it's up to them to decide, but we try to create conditions that would be maximum beneficial to everyone. Those of you who have stayed with us for a long while now, may remember that the rating requirement for a financial partner was about 10000. Now it is 3000. Wrong again) It's better to say, it was, because as of now this requirement equals 0.

Zero means our WELCOME to all those uinvestors who do not have a 3000 rating, and they can now become an FP, compete, and give reasonable fees for their services.
It may sound a bit naive, but we have a portrait of an average investor, who truly experiences certain difficulties. Therefore, we hear his voice and try to assist. So we think that this great news will be appreciated.

Let's get back to questions about UInvest.

"But if UInvest is a marketplace and does not deal with investors' money, then why should not we transfer money to the business directly, without FPs' help?"

The matter is in the legislation that no one can violate.
It's strictly controls the moment when money passes from one account to another and records such operations. If investors transfer money to the business directly, the business would face with certain problems, which are:


1) A business will have to identify each investor who transferred money to the company's bank account, otherwise the bank will block the company's account. As you understand, verification of thousands of clients located in different parts of the world will become impossible for the majority of businesses.
2) A business will have to provide the documents to the bank and other government institutions that will prove the grounds for investments. But as soon as the business physically cannot sign thousands of investment contracts with investors, notarize them, translate, and so on, most likely banks will refuse to add investment funds to the businesses' accounts.
3) Legislation of certain countries prohibits businesses to attract investments without the governmental institutions' approval.
One has to remember that governmental institutions can refuse to give such an approval or they may oblige the business to provide the detailed information about ALL its investors.
4) A business has to register all investors and keep the register list constantly updated. When we say "to update the register", it means that identities of new investors that acquired the shares of previous investors, have to be verified.
Taking into consideration a large number of share transactions of one company in just one day, or even hour, it becomes physically impossible to constantly update such a register.
5) As soon as a business will receive investments in parts, it will not be able to start its investment project up to the moment it gets all investments required
If you are a businessman, would you like to have such problems?

"Okay, then how FPs solve these problems?" you would ask.
FPs participation does not solve all problems mentioned above, but it significantly simplifies financial processes, for example:
a) On their accounts FPs consolidate financial investments from a large number of investors, which simplifies the process of formation a full investment fund. This is how FPs assist with a one-time help to the business by providing the full amount.
We think you will agree that to receive ten thousand of dollars at once is not the same as to receive 10 bucks a thousand of times.

b) As soon as FPs in their majority are legal entities, it significantly simplifies the process of money transfering from FPs' accounts to the bank accounts of partner companies. In their turn, these partner companies sign investment contracts with businesses, by this means they become a factual investor and benefit all uinvestors. Moreover, partner companies solve another important problem related to the case: if a business doesn't comply with its obligations, each investor will act individually following their interests only.
Meanwhile, partner companies consolidate investors' requirements by means of penalizing the companies property on behalf of the partner company following all uinvestors' interests.

c) As soon as a business does not receive investments from uinvestors directly, it does not need to identify thousands of uinvestors and maintain complicated registers. Such registers are being automated with the help of technical solutions of UInvest.

As you see, the participation of FPs in the UInvest marketplace is more than understandable not only economically, but also legally.

"So what do we expect next?"

You should look forward only for the best service and terms that UInvest provides its clients. A thoroughly thought Uinvest business model is absolutely firm and risk-free. No matter what happens in the world of finance, you should always bear in mind that you are safe with Uinvest.

[NikSam]

Ouu, our scammers are so shy, how nice


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-kam75dLyE

Liked the question "If i want to become an uinvestor, what do i need?"
Hmm, according to their TOS the valid answer would be something like
"Renonce your US citizenship, move to some other country "
or
"Pretend you not from US"

:)

[Fat City, LA]

I just went huge on Easter Egg Factory in Easter Bunny, Ukraine.

[ICCBernd]

Statement regarding the inability of processing withdrawals from Alex.PR:


Alex PR: We really understand you WD concern and your worries cannot be unnoticed.
Alex PR: Will tell you at once that so far, we don't have any certain news about the terms when direct wd will be available.
Alex PR: Last Tuesday there were 0 agents on UPay. As of no, we have 17 of them. We really expect that UPay will be developed and include the option all you are waiting for.
Alex PR: As of now, you are able to input funds in UPay, transfer them btw UPay accounts, send your funds TO your UI account but no way to get them FROM UI to UPay.
Alex PR: Some of you may ask. "Guys you have developed such a machine, but cannot give us a simple decision for an urgent issue."
Alex PR: The thing is that by implementing an option of withdrawing your funds, a HUGE cash flow will arise. In terms of UPay, it will be too early to say that it is ready for such a flow.
Alex PR: In order to implement such a decision, numerous negotiations with different financial institutions must be conducted. Understanding your temptation, we have to say that it is a time-consuming issue and cannot be resolved now.

I translate:


Alex PR: Sorry guys, but we can not afford paying you directly. You would make the scheme collapse immediately.

Oh damn, I forgot! It has already collapsed!

[NikSam]

Bernd, you might have been right calling collapse on it first (10 days ago).

Looking at their chats and forum for last couple days I see panic is growing bigger and bigger.

And UInvest definitely does not want to give in and pay, excuses and lies and new ideas coming from them just piss more investors.

It is interesting to see how and if those sneaky scammers get out of this one.

[EagleOne]

They need to follow the BB script. After all it seems to be working for them....well at least for the clueless; and my guess is there that many or more clueless in this Ponzi too.

[Frankly My Dear...]

Uinvest is scam.My all posts were deleted all together instead of replying.

1. These people have Fake address. It is virtual address which can be obtained on contract.Your calls will be attended, your live discussion will be responded, your
mails will be replied. Even if you visit them, they will meet you as Uinvest Team.
Just google the address and you will find the truth.

Uinvest Address:
9595 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 900
Beverly Hills, CA 90212

Example links as evidence:

Virtual Office Address at 9595 Wilshire Blvd, Beverly Hills, California 90212 | Davinci Virtual Office Space & Solutions (http://www.davincivirtual.com/loc/us/california/beverly-hills-virtual-offices/facility-717)
9595 Wilshire, Beverly Hills, Temporary Office Space, Executive Suites (http://www.pbcenters.com/locations/california/los-angeles-county/executive-suites-beverly-hills/)

2. These people does not allow direct credit card transaction because when they runaway after sometime, you cannot sue them in court. People are not transacting
money directly in their account thus they are safe.

Try to understand :
Investor/you transfer money to financial partners account on PAYZA,SKRILL,PREFECTMONEYor Liberty Reserve thus these people are not directly involving in any transaction through bank wire, direct credit/debit card thus their hands are clean. Whereas, all of investors have no proof in their bank statements that they have invested money in Uinest. Regarding, LR : Anyone can open /close E-currency account and disappear. Simple!!!

3. These people have restricted Uinvest in their country! Red flag raised!

4. Uinvest has no address of any business.WOW! have you seen any stock in stock market which you cannot locate!!! If Uinvest have agreement with businesses then they should not worry about disclosing addresses of all businesses.

5.My same posts were deleted from their forum 2 times. Uinvest will run away. they are just looking for the right time to run with handsome money!!!!

I think Greenman has hit the nail on the head here. Why would they not have a real office if they were leigit? They can vanish at any moment leaving no trace of anything at this time. This MUST be a scam for sure, especially if censorship is how they choose to deal with public questions.

[ICCBernd]

Actually there are not only virtual offices at that address. The office of Uinvest is in reality the office of ReD Agency L.A., owned by Natalie Chase, who is their representative in the United States. She did meetings in the past with investors and also was the face that appeared on events. This is her website: RED Agency LA: The Powerhouse for Socially Conscious | The Powerhouse for Socially Conscious (http://redagencyla.com)

She is also managing all those "celebrities" that attended to the Uinvest Crowdfunding Conference, so this is how Uinvest got them to attend there.

[NikSam]

And this is her door.

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And this is her sitting in it (1.5 years ago)

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And this is when I alredy explained all of it: #post46012 (http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/#post46012)


have way more pictures, just do not think they important here, if someone wants - ask.

[NikSam]

Looks like uinvestors started to suspect that something is fishy about FP system and now realizing that FP-z1027
and wireFP might be Uinvest itself pretending to be independent FPs.

well, i was saying that since FP system was launched :) - #post47385 (http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index2.html#post47385)




Originally Posted by m4kumba
I strongly believe that there is still (and has always been) a direct way to withdraw (over uinvest or a close partner to uinvest) This fact has been hidden between many other Fp's and i ignore why. I'm talking about FP-z1027 who makes wiretransfers. The reason why i come to this conclusion is simple: I saw my initial investment returning to me a long time and ive made a lot of transactions (and a lot of money) since then, at first by wiretransfer , then by LR, and i thank god that i switched back to wire at the right moment. I made my first exchange with FP-z1027 about 3 weeks ago. It turned out that the bank which used to pay back my initial investment is the same bank than the one who used to pay me 3 weeks ago. The bank asks a transaction fee of 50$ which seems to be a lot but once you start withdrawing more than 1k a month it's not that much anymore. 1 year ago, i used to pay a fee of 50$ as well. Only the accountowner is a different one but what does it matter? Personally i don't believe in this kind of coincidences, do you? Now lets suppose uinvest is trying to hide this bank between other fps, the question is why uinvest would do that. Maybe in order to promote the multiplication of fps in general?I believe that uinvest is hiding information. I don't believe that uinvest is a ponzi though.


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Originally Posted by FanFocusATgmailCOM
Finally, there are some points to look at here than going around in circles... I do not like your chunk of info, I would prefer you paragraph it, but whatever!

Thanks for your input, a long time member speaks. Thank God you didn't do LR man! FP-z1027 is "Member since: Jun 18 2012"

Wow! this is indeed good information, cos it leads me to see, that WIRE TRANSFER has the most amount of money. Look at ADD FUNDS page. 600,000 ! That's 600 over thousand.

It get's weirder, you DO know that every FP is a human and is from a country, but look at "WireFP"! He has no COUNTRY! everyone else has a country, and the amount he HAS in HIS UINVEST ACCOUNT IS AT LEAST $100,000.00 (A Hundred thousand) I know this because you can'T write 100,000.00 unless you have 100,000 in SD (SECURITY DEPOSIT)
Yup, I concur, it is very suspicious to put your uinvest username as "WireFP", since when would you know you are going to be a WireFP when you signed up?

And as for FP-z1027, same thing man, NO COUNTRY! Do you hear the bell ring?! (We have a WINNER!)
And in his account is AT LEAST 500,000.00! Half a million boy!

Both of these fellas are definitely affiliated with Uinvest. Let the investigation continue another day, I'm tired.



URL: What is going on with withdrawals? - Page 5 (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?43222-What-is-going-on-with-withdrawals&p=77765&viewfull=1#post77765)

Bummer !!!, so they caught them on another lie, what a surprise :)
I am only surprsed they did not notice anything else wrong with Uinvest.

In any case both FP-z1027 and wireFP stopped doing withdrawals and responding couple days ago.

[EagleOne]

Here's the latest from Uinvest:

12.06.13 Management Chat with Alex PR

Part I

A Phenomenal Innovation "Made in UInvest". Please Welcome Smart Exchange!

UInvest is happy to present Smart Exchange - a trading platform that is promised to gain huge popularity as a new alternative to the existing trading platforms, such as NASDAQ and FOREX.

The launch of Smart Exchange allows more participants of various social layers to join the financial world and earn profits from buying/selling shares of various international companies. The tendency of shares turnover growth was the grounds for UInvest to master modern technologies in the spot market. For this reason we have created and implemented the platform that will be easy to understand, pleasant to use, and great to earn with.

One of the most outstanding advantages of Smart Exchange, no other professional players have ever offered to their users, is that this market works non-stop, 24/7, without weekend breaks. By this option it proves to be much better than the world-known FOREX! Unlike in the orders market, in Smart Exchange an order is placed into an appropriate price category, which means that the stock's turnover is more dynamic comparing to its competitors. All orders are financially secured, and this excludes the possibility of "blank" orders. And the most enjoyable feature about Smart exchange is its interface which is easy to understand and simple to navigate through.

The innovation of Smart Exchange is simple and genius. Everyone used to think that only wealthy entities and individuals can afford currency, commodity, or share trading. Uinvest makes it possible for energetic and enthusiastic people, like uinvestors are, of average financial backgrounds to join our trading platform - Smart Exchange and do as much trading as you can afford.

Part II

UI launches UFund - a multi-faceted and beneficial product for both new and existing clients.

Many of you might have heard that UI has officially announced the launch of a newly created product - UFund. It will be the place where new and existing clients will be able borrow the requested amount of money, do trading and get the dividends that will pile up in notable earnings. All parties will know it is absolutely risk-free and will fully indulge in the share trading process.

Now let's consider each point more carefully. Let's start with a great advantage of funds borrowing in UF. I am certain that Ufund offers a great deal to its clients. Should you be an existing client, or a new joiner, UFund will be happy to provide you a 300$ initial credit that will help you start trading. This great offer will also help you learn the process of share trading on Smart Exchange a-z. We are sure that this type of appreciation will pull you in the the whirlpool of share trading and you will enjoy calculating your profits in the end of a 30-day period.

The next point is trading. You will be able to borrow money from UFund for share trading purposes on Smart Exchange. As experienced uinvestors, you will quickly understand the set of advantages SE provides. I won't stick on them this time, as it is a separate large topic to discuss. I will postpone it for the future management chat. Please keep an eye on the MC and you are guaranteed to be the first to know everything about SE!

As far as your earnings are concerned, UFund offers a great deal of dividends calculations. Upon the end of the monthly period (from the moment when money is borrowed from UFund) a user gets 50% from the profit gained from trading and crediting onto the balance, as well as transactions of add funds.

Despite an opportunity to take a loan from UFund and trade shares, you can also... invest in UFund! If you decide to make an investment into UFund, you will receive a commission set by UFund from the transactions made upon the end of the 30-day time period. It's a 50% yearly commission! How do you find your anticipated earnings?

There is no doubt about the fact that UFund is promised to gain lots of popularity not only among existing uinvestors who long for more cooperation and new opportunities with UInvest, but especially among new joiners, who might have some uncertainties about the company, but still wish to take their chance and do the trading. A great offer of $300 cannot be neglected.

For a new client it will be as simple as to get registered, make a request for a money loan from UFund for a definite time period, and start trading shares of that company he finds the most perspective and profitable. No risk, no special trader skills and education required, just learn the concept of trading shares and make a step forward to earning.

UFund is a fabulous place where interests of both investors and borrowers meet. The most important factor is that everyone gets their benefit from cooperation with UFund.

Should you have any hesitations or doubts, leave them in the past, become the master of your faith and join UInvest, and enjoy the opportunities UFund suggests.

[kYndr]

Hey guys,

I was linked here throw a guy on chat from UInvest, I am kYndr at UInvest forums and I've been writing a few statements there so some of here probably 've seen my username. I had initially invested 2.3k and was up to 3.2k in just two months. I was fortunate to be able to cash everything out few mins ago. And I did this because this thread opened my eyes regarding UI and every question I had left unanswered since the beggining, I found it here. I have you to thank for letting me know what UInvest truelly is and I am pretty sure as well that it will collapse soon, the chaos is starting to happen, there aren't enough FP's able to cashout every investor's profits, I luckily was able to withdraw.

I like your posts Nik.

Regards,

kYndr.

[NikSam]

Welcome to Realscam.com kYndr,

Glad to be helpful, keep an eye here, more info is coming soon.

[kYndr]

Welcome to Realscam.com kYndr,

Glad to be helpful, keep an eye here, more info is coming soon.


Scammed by UInvest FP - sunnytn (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?48022-Scammed-by-UInvest-FP-sunnytn)

What happened:
- Tried to cashout my money throw Skrill, $2,900 total.
- FP sent me this ammount to my Skrill, I sent him on Uinvest.
- Later on, I get contacted by the site I used these funds at, saying that they were FRAUDULENT.

Both my accounts, on PokerStars (already locked) and Skrill will be locked.
Let's see how this goes.

[kYndr]

Scammed by UInvest FP - sunnytn (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?48022-Scammed-by-UInvest-FP-sunnytn&p=79252#post79252)

[jewsuspalm]

Scammed by UInvest FP - sunnytn (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?48022-Scammed-by-UInvest-FP-sunnytn&p=79252#post79252)

im sorry for your lose. just wanted to ask if you ever thought that UI might be stubbed you ? (they can easily see your transactions details and send some fraud complain to MB with your reference number you got after receiving your payment) ofcourse this could be a coincidence , what are the Moneybookers staff comments on this problem?

[kYndr]

im sorry for your lose. just wanted to ask if you ever thought that UI might be stubbed you ? (they can easily see your transactions details and send some fraud complain to MB with your reference number you got after receiving your payment) ofcourse this could be a coincidence , what are the Moneybookers staff comments on this problem?

No that was not the case, there is no UInvest fault here. This is the problem by dealing with FP's. I just received this f

http://i.imgur.com/yd8GN0c.png

What's going to happen?

I will be loosing these 1,800€ because the funds will be going back to the account that the FP stole from. I will probably be refunded by UInvest, receiving the fuds back in my UInvest account.

[NikSam]

It is a very common practice for legal processors freeze accounts and reverse suspicious transactions.

There are a lot of cases people who dealt with FPs (who were suspected in money laundering for amount of transactions)
had serious problems still unresolved.
Skrill, Payza, PayPal - did crack down on several UI FPs, which affected accounts of others who dealt with them.

That's the risk of using such a shady FP system Uinvest implemented, but it keeps Uinvest's hands clean.

[kYndr]

It is a very common practice for legal processors freeze accounts and reverse suspicious transactions.

There are a lot of cases people who dealt with FPs (who were suspected in money laundering for amount of transactions)
had serious problems still unresolved.
Skrill, Payza, PayPal - did crack down on several UI FPs, which affected accounts of others who dealt with them.

That's the risk of using such a shady FP system Uinvest implemented, but it keeps Uinvest's hands clean.

News came up. This FP received funds from another guy that added funds at UInvest throw Skrill, and he chargedback all the payments check here - All FP's Must read this. (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?49223-All-FP-s-Must-read-this) .

Anyone has any idea of how I should procceed to let Skrill unlock my account? Justify somehow? This affected not only my SKrill account but also my PokerStars account with almost 5 digits there.

Thank you.

[NikSam]

Sorry, you have to resolve it with Skrill,
You were dealing with money launderers (aka FP as Uinvest calls them)
it is logical to expect trouble involving your Skrill account in things like that.

I also think the other guy - DasCapital, did not scam you, but also got his account locked for suspicious transactions.

[kYndr]

Sorry, you have to resolve it with Skrill,
You were dealing with money launderers (aka FP as Uinvest calls them)
it is logical to expect trouble involving your Skrill account in things like that.

I also think the other guy - DasCapital, did not scam you, but also got his account locked for suspicious transactions.

I did not know of this. This affected far more than just my Skrill account, because I used these funds right the way on other stuff, which where I got my accounts locked as well. Is there anyone here that can help me justify to Skrill that I had nohing to do with this "money laundering" thing? If I call them on the phone, will it help maybe? So far, all they've asked was to justify where I received my funds from and my connection with the guy that sent me money. Also asked me if I allowed to send the funds back to the original account.

Regards.

[ICCBernd]

Nobody can help you. What Skrill is doing is perfectly legit and according to the laws. You can't tell them that you have nothing to do with it, because the simple truth is that you have. You have initiated this transfer, knowing what FPs are and what they are doing. Everyone who is just a bit realistic will know that this is a money laundering scheme and thus illegal. Nobody should ever use this scheme with a legit payment processor. But well, what to expect from someone who is investing such amounts of money into a Ponzi game.

[kYndr]

Nobody can help you. What Skrill is doing is perfectly legit and according to the laws. You can't tell them that you have nothing to do with it, because the simple truth is that you have. You have initiated this transfer, knowing what FPs are and what they are doing. Everyone who is just a bit realistic will know that this is a money laundering scheme and thus illegal. Nobody should ever use this scheme with a legit payment processor. But well, what to expect from someone who is investing such amounts of money into a Ponzi game.

Yeah, I do have something to do with this. But what you are saying is bullshit. Working throw FP's doesn't involve UInvest. Involves normal people, doing normal transactions where Skrill doesn't know what it is for. UInvest names doesn't appear anywhere in the transactions.

Anyway, some other victim of this got his account unlocked, still waiting for Skrill to answer me, though.

By the way, what is happening here has nothing to do with UInvest or FP system. It's just some retarded scammer using "Skrill" system to abuse people and scamming them, by reversing the payments after getting the funds at UI.

[ICCBernd]

Of course it does involve Uinvest. There are enough people who put Uinvests name in their transactions. Skrill is not stupid, they perfectly know what is going on, especially as the transactions went through the roof now after Uinvest collapsed. It is not the FPs that reverse the transactions. They just got their accounts locked because of money laundering. They are not able to explain the purpose of their transactions, so everyone involved will also get his account frozen.

[Market! Market!]

Uhm, what's FP?
I tried to Google but I'm not sure what I'm looking for.

Financial Partner?
Financial Planner?

[kYndr]

Uhm, what's FP?
I tried to Google but I'm not sure what I'm looking for.

Financial Partner?
Financial Planner?

Yeah, Financial Partner. By the way, regarding me sittuation, Skrill unlocked my account, funds are locked by Skrill, they were reversed to the original account. Now, let's see if UInvest is serious enough to refund me money back at the site since the funds I sent to the FP, are locked on his account (thats what hold option is for).


Regards.

[Fat City, LA]

Huge new Uinvest project:

Major addition to Gryffindor Common Room @Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, Ukraine.
Hurry, shares are going fast.

[radovann]

Two amusing things :

- first nearly nobody can withdraw any money

- second the scam works perfectly well : "fresh" money is coming and if a new "project" appears money will flow. People don't seem to care they won't get access to their money afterwise.

Everybody should have a look to Uinvest chatrooms before they are closed or reserved to customers. So hilarious.

[unterueber]

Hello,

I'm a member of UI. I've been with them for almost two years, and that's the last online 'business opportunity' I'll ever join, not because they are ponzis, but because they are mismanaged ponzis.
Anyway, I'd like to congratulate members who have posted in this thread for having made it so informative.
Now, UI is on the verge of collapse, unless, of course, referral sharks from all over the world still manage to recruit, and that's apparently what's more or less going on. It also appears that most of those who have been referred to UI lately, of, for that matter, most members, are people who can't read or write English, which makes things easy for Ui 'management' to confuse them even further. I'm convinced most of those referral sharks are in fact very close to UI 'managers', if you see what I mean, and so are the main so-called 'FPs'. A ponzi scheme can only work as long as it has 'marketers', 'associates', in short accomplices at different levels.
Now, do those who have been posting here for some time think that authorities have been informed of what's going on at UI ? Do you think UI is watched over ?
Last but not least,don't you think that the true aim of those who are behind schemes like UI is simply money laundering ?

[Market! Market!]

Any screenshots of Uinvest chat rooms?

[NikSam]

...

Now, do those who have been posting here for some time think that authorities have been informed of what's going on at UI ? Do you think UI is watched over ?
Last but not least,don't you think that the true aim of those who are behind schemes like UI is simply money laundering ?

Welcome to RealScam, about investigation, most agencies will not confirm or deny if they conduct one till the charges or official alert.
About money laundering, I assume you meant some criminal enterprise setup UI to launder money this way ?
They would be the most dumb money launderers in existence, who would launder money by launching an illegal site ? is not the whole point of laundering to legalize proceeds ? By selling unregistered securities to public illegally ? it would criminalize the money more.

If you suffered a loss in this ponzi, you should contact your local financial regulator,
Can also register your claim as a victim with authorities in Ukraine and California (contact me in private how)
Once they open a case, you can send me details (agency, case number, investigator name).
I will provide them with more information (identities of operators, more evidence which was not yet exposed)

[Fat City, LA]

Like any ponzi, tons of $ is being laundered, via processor. The actual bandit owners seem more akin to a scammer/traveller clan.

[ribshaw]

Now, do those who have been posting here for some time think that authorities have been informed of what's going on at UI ? Do you think UI is watched over ?

Notified Yes. Being watched over, at some level maybe. It seems a catch 22, authorities will generally not act until they get a lot of complaints. And they don't get a lot of complaints till the money dries up. Then it will likely be too late.

If you want some insight, and his was certainly a revelation to me, go read some of the boards after a Ponzi has blown up. Many people will blame everyone except the crooks that took their money. And I don't mean to be flip (well yes I do) but look at the current boards and see how much people gush over the returns they are making. (Even if just numbers on a screen).
On those fronts it is any wonder authorities act at all, despite the underfunding and limited manpower you have to think at some level they just shake their head at the idiots.



Last but not least,don't you think that the true aim of those who are behind schemes like UI is simply money laundering ?

All evil under the sun, from pure greed, to drugs, terrorism, prostitution, slavery....

[unterueber]

Any screenshots of Uinvest chat rooms?

I could post some. Hilarious, pathetic.

[unterueber]

Like any ponzi, tons of $ is being laundered, via processor. The actual bandit owners seem more akin to a scammer/traveller clan.

Interesting, your reference to the 'nomadic' side of (those) scammers.

[unterueber]

Notified Yes. Being watched over, at some level maybe. It seems a catch 22, authorities will generally not act until they get a lot of complaints. And they don't get a lot of complaints till the money dries up. Then it will likely be too late.

If you want some insight, and his was certainly a revelation to me, go read some of the boards after a Ponzi has blown up. Many people will blame everyone except the crooks that took their money. And I don't mean to be flip (well yes I do) but look at the current boards and see how much people gush over the returns they are making. (Even if just numbers on a screen).
On those fronts it is any wonder authorities act at all, despite the underfunding and limited manpower you have to think at some level they just shake their head at the idiots.




All evil under the sun, from pure greed, to drugs, terrorism, prostitution, slavery....

The thing is that none of those I've been talking to in the past two weeks want to contact authorities, the reason most probably being that most 'investors' are also money launderers, at their own level, and that's precisely why, after the shut down of LR, they switched to PM, until, of course, PM itself is shutdown by 'authorities, which will happen one day or another.

Interesting, incidentally, how scams, whether payment processors or programmes, are shut down when they are worth billions or so. And not before.

I’m familiar with the HYIP mentality, and most aware that a majority of online ‘investors’ need psychiatric treatment. I was part, for example, of ‘Mrs Vee’ notorious ponzi scheme. There was a highly religious pathos about it. UI has also now ‘believers’. As in Vlane and in all big scams, there has been a waiting game, and now we’ve entered the playing game. How long it may last, I don’t have a clue.

[Market! Market!]

I could post some. Hilarious, pathetic.

Yes please. Especially those that can help people searching for Uinvest + Scam.
Might save their life savings.

[ribshaw]

The thing is that none of those I've been talking to in the past two weeks want to contact authorities, the reason most probably being that most 'investors' are also money launderers, at their own level, and that's precisely why, after the shut down of LR, they switched to PM, until, of course, PM itself is shutdown by 'authorities, which will happen one day or another.

Unfortunately the world is filled with idiots and there is little any of us can do to remedy that. My sole concern is those people that either can't make good decisions (like the elderly that get wrapped up in this crap) or people that want to research and think though "opportunities" before parting with their money. And really that should not be a lifetime pursuit as it seems with some of this crowd. The story is always good or the con would suck from the start, but how many times do people need to hear 1% a day returns always blow up? Never in history has there been any other outcome.

As for the payment processors, that should be a red flag for anyone with any sense as well. (Again, unless they are just getting started) Billions of dollars move around the world via banks every day with almost no problem. What sensible person would say, screw the banks I want to use the same method of payment as the guy on Craig's list who just bought a pair of Nike?


Interesting, incidentally, how scams, whether payment processors or programmes, are shut down when they are worth billions or so. And not before.

A lot of that has to do with resources, there must be 1000s of these programs going on every day. Many just blow up on their own, others like Profitable Sunrise gather momentum and then get attention from the authorities. And of course no one complains as long as the checks don't bounce.

Now if the implication is that the governments get involved so that they can get their hands on the cash, that I have no doubt. Certainly in a lot of places this is SOP. In most of the developed world there are checks and balances that make this a little more difficult, and I don't by the "conspiracy theories" that surround things like Zeek. But does money end up in the wrong hands at times, always will.

[unterueber]

Yes please. Especially those that can help people searching for Uinvest + Scam.
Might save their life savings.

Ok, but not just now. The 'boss' spoke yesterday, so people in the chat room now feel 'relieved', and are 'hoping for the best'. When in a week the situation far from having improved will have worsened further the chat room will be filled again with complaints, and then I'll post a screenshot.

[unterueber]

Now if the implication is that the governments get involved so that they can get their hands on the cash, that I have no doubt. Certainly in a lot of places this is SOP. In most of the developed world there are checks and balances that make this a little more difficult, and I don't by the "conspiracy theories" that surround things like Zeek. But does money end up in the wrong hands at times, always will.

That is indeed the implication, and the implication would actually go further, knowing that, not to mention the next payment processor to be shut down, that Iceland is fully under the control of the guys behind the US. As far as UI and 'authorities', I just wonder which authorities to go to. Go to the so-called Ukrainian 'authorities' - and I know what I'm talking about from experience - and you may found out that the 'official' you contacted is the actual boss of UI. Interestingly enough, I have never seen a Ukrainian member in the chat room, nor in the forum.

[Fat City, LA]

That is indeed the implication, and the implication would actually go further, knowing that, not to mention the next payment processor to be shut down, that Iceland is fully under the control of the guys behind the US. As far as UI and 'authorities', I just wonder which authorities to go to. Go to the so-called Ukrainian 'authorities' - and I know what I'm talking about from experience - and you may found out that the 'official' you contacted is the actual boss of UI. Interestingly enough, I have never seen a Ukrainian member in the chat room, nor in the forum.

Are you sure their even Ukrainian? Wouldnt surprise if its all part of the gag.
I saw on MMG that admin says members are crying. Soon ALL cry...

[NikSam]

Are you sure their even Ukrainian? Wouldnt surprise if its all part of the gag.
I saw on MMG that admin says members are crying. Soon ALL cry...

Yes, Ukranians in Kiev, real identities are known.
You can read from beginning of this thread, for some i already documented.

[NikSam]

... I just wonder which authorities to go to. Go to the so-called Ukrainian 'authorities' - and I know what I'm talking about from experience - and you may found out that the 'official' you contacted is the actual boss of UI. Interestingly enough, I have never seen a Ukrainian member in the chat room, nor in the forum.

You can go to Ukrainians and US (since they also maintain a corporation in california),
Not likely it will help you recover any money, just to speed up it's end and make the responsible to pay.
In Ukraine they are hiding and unknown, there is no any kind of "protection" you think of they have.
Securities laws are also very strict, even more strict than US ones. The problem is enforcing those laws when the whole country became one never ending scam. There are 3 very good reasons why they not gonna be touched in Ukraine just yet.


There are about 10 ukrainians as investors i know of, and they do appear in chats sometimes.
You should understand that there is a language barrier and also the fact that UI site is blocked for visitors from Ukraine and Russia, they have to use tricky proxies or ask for Ip address whitelisted.

[NikSam]

also you can register a complain with your local financial regulator, you are under protection of your government,
And soliciting you to invest without authorization of your authorities was a violation of the your local laws by Uinvest.

[unterueber]

You can go to Ukrainians and US (since they also maintain a corporation in california),
Not likely it will help you recover any money, just to speed up it's end and make the responsible to pay.
In Ukraine they are hiding and unknown, there is no any kind of "protection" you think of they have.
Securities laws are also very strict, even more strict than US ones. The problem is enforcing those laws when the whole country became one never ending scam. There are 3 very good reasons why they not gonna be touched in Ukraine just yet.


There are about 10 ukrainians as investors i know of, and they do appear in chats sometimes.
You should understand that there is a language barrier and also the fact that UI site is blocked for visitors from Ukraine and Russia, they have to use tricky proxies or ask for Ip address whitelisted.

I didn't put much into it, and I was about to be square - two more weeks, and I was even in profit-, when withdrawals stopped, that's why I'm not thinking of going to any 'authority'. But it's clear that those who intend to go to them have to forget about Ukrainian ones.

How long have their web site been blocked in Russia and Ukraine ?

[NikSam]

...
How long have their web site been blocked in Russia and Ukraine ?

Always, wrote about it here:
#post53589 (http://www.realscam.com/f8/uinvest-again-scam-not-1408/index7.html#post53589)

[Fat City, LA]

Uinvest Forums (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/forum.php)

They have had to censor the forum w/a JBP/Profit Clicking style fervor.
I look in a couple of times a day to catch the posts when up.

[EagleOne]

Hmm, things could be getting interesting with Uinvest. This from their forum posted today, and I quote:

"Dear Maryna, *

I appreciate your response to my message.*

First of all, I admit that you're doing your job and you've got to protect the interest of your employer.*

Secondly, with profound respect to your personality, I do not consider you a Lawyer and thus, you can't defend Uinvest's action from Legal angle.

Thirdly, I have being Uinvest since 2010, read terms & conditions stated, and joined in 2011.*

Fourthly, the terms and conditions stated by Uinvest as when I joined did not say that the Company can transfer it contractual obligations to a third party and*

lastly, a portion of the terms & conditions stated by Uinvest say that if fundamental right of an individual is violated, such can seek redress in law court.*

Once again Maryna, this platform is not a court room where legal issues can be analyzed. The essence of my writing is to alert the company's mind to the fact that there's a "duty" hanging on it and which can be enforced at law. I do not wish you guys evil and I hope your company would consider it client in the same vein. Best services is what I am canvassing for and as such, your company should endeavor to deliver it.*

Another point your company must consider is that majority of us doesn't have the time to wait while an AFP agent sends an Offer; for instance, I am a lawyer and I am always in court. I have few time for my self. As I write you, I am using my mobile and I believed there are thousands of investors in my shoes who doesn't have the time to sit in front of computer while an AFP offer is received. Thus, a solution must be attained in this regard.*

In conclusion, a friend of mine who is professor of law as this saying," going to court should always be our last result in civil cases, as exploring internal remedy may prove worthy, valuable & faster than any court process".*

Your company shouldn't wait till every investor on this site thinks of filing a suit against your business outfit. You've got to do the right thing at the right time & right time is now.*

Marykay8701"

What I found bizarre about this is this is a lawyer and he couldn't see this was a Ponzi before he joined? Seriously?

[Fat City, LA]

Moved to closed thread on MMG.

3 of us coming from different angles, hopefully saved some folks.
The guy who first posted it must be getting tons of grief, he is at the "i'm not a univest employee, please leave me alone."

I just let him have it.

[Market! Market!]

Hmm, things could be getting interesting with Uinvest. This from their forum posted today, and I quote:
What I found bizarre about this is this is a lawyer and he couldn't see this was a Ponzi before he joined? Seriously?

Maybe he knew but thought he could get out before it collapse.
Greed!

[littleroundman]

What I found bizarre about this is this is a lawyer and he couldn't see this was a Ponzi before he joined? Seriously?

So, the Uinvest people have just ripped off a cool couple of million bucks with their ponzi fraud and now they are supposed to be worried about their "contractual obligations" ???

Now, THAT is bizarre with a capital "B"

[Fat City, LA]

This is a clear case of fraud, conspiracy & breach of trust. (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?81277-This-is-a-clear-case-of-fraud-conspiracy-amp-breach-of-trust&p=118936#post118936)

No one wanted to listen. Now they think this caliber of grifters are going to be actionable?

[unterueber]

So, the Uinvest people have just ripped off a cool couple of million bucks with their ponzi fraud and now they are supposed to be worried about their "contractual obligations" ???

Now, THAT is bizarre with a capital "B"

Of course, this message must be taken with a pinch of salt, even though it's one of the only sensible thing posted for a long time on their forum. "Bizarre" messages always mushroom on a big HYIP forum when it is about to collapse. A member I'm in touch with was banned 'for life' from their chat room for wishing the mods all the best in their new life - behind bars.

[Fat City, LA]

Of course, this message must be taken with a pinch of salt, even though it's one of the only sensible thing posted for a long time on their forum. "Bizarre" messages always mushroom on a big HYIP forum when it is about to collapse. A member I'm in touch with was banned 'for life' from their chat room for wishing the mods all the best in their new life - behind bars.

Their level of sophistication does not bode well for anything but pain coming for members.
They are due to push out some $ soon. Setting up the Amsterdam Conf fleecing. Oct?
Leaders dont get arrested then, they disappear.

[unterueber]

Their level of sophistication does not bode well for anything but pain coming for members.
They are due to push out some $ soon. Setting up the Amsterdam Conf fleecing. Oct?
Leaders dont get arrested then, they disappear.

The real issue becomes why the website has not been shut down and why "Alex" and his accomplices haven't been arrested yet.

[Market! Market!]

Maybe no one complained yet to the authorities?
Hoping to get their money back?

[unterueber]

Maybe no one complained yet to the authorities?
Hoping to get their money back?

Do you think 'authorities' are not aware of the existence of UI ? Do you think that Paypal, Skrill, and Neteller haven't been informed of the breach of TOS (A)FPs are guilty of by providing exchange to these payment processors ?

That member who claims to be a lawyer sounds rather genuine - just the way she writes - although, of course, she could be UI's own, so to speak, lawyer.

"Due to a high volume of requests our site experiences some delays in its work.
Please be patient till the delays are removed" - this message is more and more recurrent on their website.

[Market! Market!]

Hello!
Question to the experts here.
For Uinvest, investors can withdraw their money via FP (Financial Partner).
My question is, where does FP get the money?
Let's say FP has $1000, once someone withdrew $1000, then FP will have $0.
Will Uinvest give FP $1000 back?
I assume FP can earn because they charge (%) on every withdrawal. Is my assumption correct?

Thank you.


Edit: I could post this on Uinvest Forum but I have to register. Got lazy. LOL

[NikSam]

My question is, where does FP get the money?


There is now a web of so called FP, SFP, AFP

regular FP only gets virtual UI $ into his account,
so
1. he accumulates that sum (for "better" times)
2. he can withdraw with other FP for lesser fee
3. he can offset that sum by offering deposits

some time ago FP could offer negative fees/bonuses on deposit, so let say anyone who deposits gets extra 20% into his UI balance
but withdraws from same FP are higher (like 50%) and that way FP could rotate the money with profit for himself.
Now UI forbids bonuses for deposits (that practice was squeezing UI hidden FPs out of new money) and UI limited max fee on withdrawals to 25%, that almost wiped all FPs out.

In case of AFP, allegedly those few get some money from UI (or money collected from investors by selling FPFund obligations),
so basically just openly paying investors with their own money and still, even those AFP/FPF idea is failure, demand to withdraw is higher than AFP can/want offer.

[Fat City, LA]

Restart talk? Just another ponzi catch phrase.
Uinvest needs to do a restart to survive. (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?81311-Uinvest-needs-to-do-a-restart-to-survive&p=119206#post119206)

Some random payment proofs then this:
"that's not really an answer. I'm asking where u got that info from, or have u come to that conclusion yourself because
of basic non payment across the board.

I got that info from UI itself. For the past three weeks, the only times I and a few others I know got an offer from a so-called AFP was through some cheesy Asian online "banks".

Proofs of WD growth. - Page 7 (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?81253-Proofs-of-WD-growth/page7)

[unterueber]

Restart talk? Just another ponzi catch phrase.
Uinvest needs to do a restart to survive. (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?81311-Uinvest-needs-to-do-a-restart-to-survive&p=119206#post119206)

Some random payment proofs then this:
"that's not really an answer. I'm asking where u got that info from, or have u come to that conclusion yourself because
of basic non payment across the board.

I got that info from UI itself. For the past three weeks, the only times I and a few others I know got an offer from a so-called AFP was through some cheesy Asian online "banks".

Proofs of WD growth. - Page 7 (http://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthread.php?81253-Proofs-of-WD-growth/page7)

That's a very good point, since, beyond UI, it is a fact that most big scams operate from Asian countries, Singapore being one of the main sources of infection. See, for example, Soccer Match-Fixing: Investigation Finds Global Betting Scam Fixed Hundreds Of Matches (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/05/soccer-match-fixing-investigation-betting-scam_n_2622092.html)

[hassijun]

UINVEST is not dead... I believe they are working hard to get this system back. Surely they earn a lot of money, otherwise the site would be not online anymore.
Even when you see the proofs of WD - they are growing.
I also have catched one of these FP-Funds WD, but my FP-Partner canceled the transaction. You have to be very quick to catch some offer!

In the meantime I do have searched for other HYIP programs with a shorter term for the money and now I test some of them.

When you want to know which and how I act, visit the link in my signature...
hassijun

[hassijun]

I forgot...

... I do have also not my investment out of the UNIVEST system. So I am a believer *smile*