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kschang
06-22-2012, 03:40 PM
I wrote a short profile on it and need some proofreading:

A MLM Skeptic: Scam Study: Pigeon King (http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/06/scam-study-pigeon-king.html)

path2prosperity
06-22-2012, 05:06 PM
I wrote a short profile on it and need some proofreading:

A MLM Skeptic: Scam Study: Pigeon King (http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/06/scam-study-pigeon-king.html)

I read the article Kasey and found it fascinating. However I wanted to tell you that I was one of Dave from CrimeBustersNow's staunchest admirers around 2006 -2007 and it may have been where I heard of Pidgeon King. I mentioned somebody who had written an excellent article on the use of subliminal sound. That person was Dave. He was not sure that there was any real evidence to support it but he was surprised by some studies.

If Dave warned people aginst Pidgeon King and nobody heeded his warning, that was not unusual for Dave. He fought the deluge of verbal abuse and ridicule which was hurled at him on WLD with great aplomb and I was slaughtered for calling the man erudite. I left him several PMs on WLD asking him if he would join RS but he seems to have left. If you are in touch with him, please tell him how much he would be appreciated here.

I wish I could help on Pidgeon King but your article refreshed my memory and I can not add anything else.

I have been trying to renew contacts with Dave for a long time. He was an absolute ACE and very badly treated in Canada for his outspoken reporting. If anybody is in touch, please pass on an invitation from me. He won one major battle when a French newspaper found out how badly he had been treated by his own countrymen and took up the story. I hope that he is still in the land of the living.

kschang
06-22-2012, 06:56 PM
I tried contacting Dave through his website and the e-mail bounced.

path2prosperity
06-23-2012, 12:02 AM
I tried contacting Dave through his website and the e-mail bounced.

That has really upset me Kasey. I have suspected bad news for some time as he always answered people's questions extremely thoughtfully. I feel how some of you may feel when scambusting pioneers who have assembled here, bite the dust. However there is hope that this is not the case. He may have taken an extended vacation.

The good thing is that we have modern historians working behind the scenes and the truth about Dave's fight against organised Internet crime in Canada will make the history books. Part of his fight is recorded in a a French newspaper. A lot of his story can be found on WLD. The British press supported him on one issue. Perhaps you could add a tribute to him in your Pidgeon King article. I am sure that I was correct in describing him as an erudite man and a polymath mentality.

CrimeBustersNow
06-24-2012, 10:33 AM
I wrote a short profile on it and need some proofreading:

A MLM Skeptic: Scam Study: Pigeon King (http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/06/scam-study-pigeon-king.html)


I wrote a short profile on it and need some proofreading:

A MLM Skeptic: Scam Study: Pigeon King (http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/06/scam-study-pigeon-king.html)

Hi this is Dave - CBNow

I would be more than willing to proof read you story to make sure everything is factual and accurate.

Just came across this forum, as I am still handicapped trying to navigate the Internet.

I have enormous amounts of recorded and documented information on PKI: The abuse from CANADIAN police, the government, CANADIAN Attorneys General, Federation of Independent Business, Competition Bureau, Security & Exchange Commission even the media, and unbelievably even the Better Business as I tried desperately to warn unsophisticated, mostly Mennonite farmers of this fraud and its and their impending doom.

Those who are familiar with my website and Internet postings will know that although the PKI scam was probably the most egregious criminal conspiracy ever perpetrated on North American farm families, it is not the only scam I have pursued. Treasure Traders International later Business In Motion (also snagging many farmers and kids as young as 16) involved Police, Government personnel (Tax Department etc) lawyers school board officials, bankers, teachers, politicians etc, etc.
It was necessary and costly for me to defend an unsuccessful $10,000,000 S.L.A.P.P. (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) for liable… but I did “kick the collective asses” of the 24 lawyer law firm prosecuting on behalf of the international money laundering crook, Alan Kippax. That was 2006. The government still refused to take action…. But now, as a result of the 18 page precedent judgment it took Judge Quigley of the Ontario Superior Court six months to render, no lawyer including an assistant Crown Prosecutor, Brian Lindley of Walkerton On, will sue me as threatened.

I was arrested in front of the Oakville Trafalgar High School, once again on trumped up charges (four years later still trying to warn students and get this guy prosecuted): The arrest - June 21, 2010, and still on trial.
Three days after my release on bail in an unbelievable “time-line” (CP) under the Access to Info Act” published an internal fraud investigation of the CRA (Income Tax) confirming personnel were indeed spending, sometime half their work day engaged in illegal and fraudulent activity including “running pyramid schemes” just as my pamphlets warned students exactly 1 week earlier when I was arrested.

Six months after my arrest, December 2010 and after a corrupted Waterloo Regional fraud detective appeared on CTV telling the world they “could find nothing illegal in the PKI operation and CBC gratuitously stating that the scheme was “clearly legal” in Canada, Galbraith “The Pigeon King” was finally arrested in the largest fraud ever investigated in the Region of Waterloo.

December 15, 2010, more trumped up charges of “assault police” were dropped when the Judge “jumped all over” the cop giving false & misleading evidence. Occasionally I “pull” an honest, intelligent, unbiased judge. Unfortunately not so currently.

In January 2011 Xenel corrupt “charity” telemarketers were given the largest fine in Canadian history. I exposed these crooks, my face obscured on CTV’s “W5,” as GWE before they found it necessary to change their “soiled” name in… get this… 1985.

Then on January 12-13 2011, 12 of the top perpetrators of BIM operating out of Mississauga with police protection were arrested by Manitoba RCMP…. One a teacher; one a banker as exposed in the pamphlets distributed to students more than 6 months previously: The involvement of RCMP, lawyers, politicians etc, now being suppressed by authorities and unbelievably the “mainstream media.”

I am still on trial and I need the help of the public. Everything I have uncovered, written about and communicated verbally in Court and on the street is true and accurate: My information used by governments in other countries, Interpol, Scotland Yard, U.S. Attorneys General, but discredited by my own Canadian police and government authorities.
Please read the account of this bizarre story by Robert FitzPatrick of Pyramid Scheme Alert just published about a week ago.

Just follow the links.

Thanks for listening if you got this far. But I am really desperate. This harassment has cost me all that I owned, causing much psychological and emotional distress particularly when I no longer have the resources to effectively warn the likes of high school kids getting unwittingly involved in fraudulent schemes perpetrated by police, lawyers, government personnel etc, and some of their own teachers and even church ministers then, when they and/or parents discover they have been defrauded, intimidated into keep their “mouths shut.” It is abhorrent. I await comments and email.

Thanks again

dave CBNow

Pyramid Scheme Alert (http://cbnow.org/html/pyramid_scheme_alert.html)

Home (http://cbnow.org/index.html)

path2prosperity
06-24-2012, 04:20 PM
So pleased to have you here Dave. When I started following your story on WLD, I ffound it hard to swallow but you epitomised courtesy when I asked you questions about yourself or any of the causes that championed, I found you a delightful person with whom to communicate online.

Please fill in the Introduce Yourself part of this forum so that others here can get to know you. Your story should be told and you are among people who know what has gone on in the world of Internet crime and those who have striven to expose it have suffered.

kschang
06-24-2012, 08:24 PM
Maybe we should have Dave update his story and start a fundraiser much like that bullied bus monitor. :)

Too bad we don't have a video. We need someone to produce a video documentary. Mitch! You there? Mitch?!

CrimeBustersNow
06-24-2012, 11:24 PM
Maybe we should have Dave update his story and start a fundraiser much like that bullied bus monitor. :)

Too bad we don't have a video. We need someone to produce a video documentary. Mitch! You there? Mitch?!

So pleased to have you here Dave. When I started following your story on WLD, I ffound it hard to swallow but you epitomised courtesy when I asked you questions about yourself or any of the causes that championed, I found you a delightful person with whom to communicate online.

Please fill in the Introduce Yourself part of this forum so that others here can get to know you. Your story should be told and you are among people who know what has gone on in the world of Internet crime and those who have striven to expose it have suffered.

Thank you guys so much for the overwhelming kind words, the support and actually remembering after all this time. I have only a grade ten vocational education but posting since 2004 with the help of the thesaurus and spell checker I have discovered a whole new vocabulary I was oblivious to.

But these two words “aplomb” and “erudite” I can honestly confess I do not recollect ever seeing let alone their poignant meaning. Being showered in such language is humbling; something crooks, cops, prosecutors, judges, and government etc, with all their vile vitriol, have never been able to do.

Right now my life has been terribly upset and fragmented and in utter turmoil. I have moved to Quebec and have had to return to Ontario several times to fight these vicious, absurd and malicious assault charges I believed would have been withdrawn or dismissed by now, particularly since similar charges were withdrawn December 15, 2010 when the police officer was berated by the judge for attempting to mislead the court with untruthful testimony.

This present case is far worse, with two students and a vice principle giving false and contradictory evidence. They have contradicted each other and have even contradicted themselves. This sham has robbed me of what little resources I had left and more importantly robbed me of the time and few dollars I would be using publishing and distributing pamphlet warning the public especially seniors and students of the serious and inherent dangers of pyramid/Ponzi schemes: The fact that my warnings of years gone by have been proven factually correct means nothing to Canadian authorities. My presence at high schools, colleges and universities proved very effective and had to be stopped.

So appropriate is that Japanese expression…. “The Nail That Stands Up, Must Be Hammered Down!”

Mentally it has been debilitating, but finding this forum and you guys has given me a much needed boost. I am packing now to head back to Quebec. The train has WiFi and I will see if I am able to post while on the way back to Quebec.

Thanks again,

dave

Home (http://www.CBNow.org)

Truth suppressed whether by courts or crooks will find an avenue to be told.
- Sheila Steele - injusticebusters.com
When the media ceases to inform and the public no longer questions, that truly is the beginning of the end of democracy - David John Thornton – crimebustersnow.com

path2prosperity
06-25-2012, 02:42 AM
I was appauled when I read your story and amazed at the lack of support which you got but you will find people here far more dedicated than they are in the WLD forum as Internet crime is a relatively small part of their legal business.

If this sort of thing goes on in Canada Dave, it eplains why a purported Canadian multi millionaire Bogdan Fiedur hired the most expensive British solicitor in UK to sue me. The solicitor decided not to issue a writ after SBM published information about Fiedur, showing him up as a person who ran an advertising board for virtually all scams and she also showed him up as a hard porn broker. There appears to have been no legal action against BoggyBoy in Canada.

You may be able to glean some evidence for your cause to show that wealthy Canadians like Bogdan Fiedur get away with behaviour like this in his own country but is unable to enlist the help of refutable British solicitors or consumer advocate services like this one run by SBM in USA. You are welcome to contact me by e-mail or SKYPE if you wish to learn more about the exploits of BoggyBoy Fiedur in this RSthread. http://www.realscam.com/f11/bogdan-fiedur-adlandpro-threatening-suit-against-realscam-com-913/

scratchycat
06-25-2012, 09:51 AM
Welcome CBN and you have found the right place for support. It makes me sad that you have suffered so much trying to do the right thing. It is a shame how our governments and officials get involved in crime and use their power to threaten others to keep quiet. I believe that is what has just happened with the trial of Sandusky and Penn State. No one would report him because of 'threats'. He even told his victims no one would believe them. He was allowed to continue the abuse with young boys throughout many years. I realize they are attempting to appeal but IMO he will stay behind bars where he belongs.

With the internet becoming so essential and worldwide economy problems, these "schemes/crime" have invaded the vast majority of websites promoting all kinds of hype just to take your money to make themselves rich. The more scam-fighters who join together will make a much bigger splash than just each one taking a slice at it.

There are many members here who have much knowledge and experience and understand how these things operate. I am a 'newbie' as I only got involved a couple of years ago. I will put a link to your site on my own website as I have with several others. Since I share it with Twitter and Facebook, it really does get attention.

Perhaps things are about to change for the better for you and many others. Maybe Canadian officials will begin to start 'cleaning up' some of the big games playing there now.

scratchycat
06-25-2012, 09:55 AM
Maybe we should have Dave update his story and start a fundraiser much like that bullied bus monitor. :)

Too bad we don't have a video. We need someone to produce a video documentary. Mitch! You there? Mitch?!

It really worked for her!!! Wow, last I checked it was over $500,000.

Who is Mitch??

Anyone can put together photographs, animations, recordings, and documents into a Windows Movie Maker and make a video to upload to YouTube. If certain people can come up with those 'whack' jobs, than a professional can turn this into something worthy.

scratchycat
06-25-2012, 10:14 AM
I was appauled when I read your story and amazed at the lack of support which you got but you will find people here far more dedicated than they are in the WLD forum as Internet crime is a relatively small part of their legal business.

If this sort of thing goes on in Canada Dave, it eplains why a purported Canadian multi millionaire Bogdan Fiedur hired the most expensive British solicitor in UK to sue me. The solicitor decided not to issue a writ after SBM published information about Fiedur, showing him up as a person who ran an advertising board for virtually all scams and she also showed him up as a hard porn broker. There appears to have been no legal action against BoggyBoy in Canada.

You may be able to glean some evidence for your cause to show that wealthy Canadians like Bogdan Fiedur get away with behaviour like this in his own country but is unable to enlist the help of refutable British solicitors or consumer advocate services like this one run by SBM in USA. You are welcome to contact me by e-mail or SKYPE if you wish to learn more about the exploits of BoggyBoy Fiedur in this RSthread. http://www.realscam.com/f11/bogdan-fiedur-adlandpro-threatening-suit-against-realscam-com-913/

Bogdan is "big" with the Polish community in Canada - LinkPolonia (http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http://www.polishwinnipeg.com/205.htm)

His own website, LinkPolonia (http://www.linkpolonia.com), reveals a lot of information, take a search through "Photos (http://www.linkpolonia.com/recentphotos.aspx)".

If you thought the English site was filled with porn, you should take a look at this one!

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/14784619632516854366

path2prosperity
06-25-2012, 10:37 AM
Maybe Canadian officials will begin to start 'cleaning up' some of the big games playing there now.

I am sure they will "scratchy" A French newspaper was the first to stand by Dave. Canadian ponzi board owner Bogdan Fiedur was laughed to scorn when he employed the most expensive UK solicitor to threaten me and RS. With France USA and UK ignoring threats by Canadian millionaires like BoggyBoy, they are unlikely to turn a blind eye much longer.

kschang
06-25-2012, 10:56 AM
Who is Mitch??


Mitch McDeere, that guy who did that "Are you asking the right questions about ZeekRewards" video. He's over at the ZeekRewards topic.

scratchycat
06-25-2012, 01:12 PM
Mitch McDeere, that guy who did that "Are you asking the right questions about ZeekRewards" video. He's over at the ZeekRewards topic.

Okay, thanks. I still can't find his blog - just missed it somewhere in here.

CrimeBustersNow
10-21-2012, 03:28 AM
Hi guys

Dave here again. Things are not going well. I find myself gravitating down the road to suicide as did this teacher also falsely accused of assaulting a student. I am now desperately appealing for support anywhere.

A senior administrator characterized Ron Mayfield as an energetic and experienced teacher who related well to his students; his death was tragic. Mr. Mayfield was accused by one of his students of a physical assault. In line with school policy, he was immediately suspended (with pay) and police and youth services were notified.
While various investigations were carried out by many agencies, Mr. Mayfield was left on the sidelines. He was not kept abreast of actions and was left open to the rumour mill that swirled about in the school and the community. Unlike many such investigations, this one moved quickly and, within two weeks, it was clear that there was no substance to the charges. Further, the 13-year-old student had recanted his accusation.
Unfortunately, no one in any of the agencies thought to inform Mr. Mayfield. Sadly, he committed suicide. While it may never be proven, his family (and many colleagues) share the view that Mr. Mayfield sought this drastic release because he could not bear the stain of a false accusation and the thought that his whole career was on the line. - end

Just yesterday 8 female students were arrested in Ontario, Canada for criminal harassment. It is epidemic…. I have now been caught in a “web of deceit” perpetrated by two 13 year-old female students, arrested and prosecuted by willfully blind authority trying to "cherry pick" through recanted, contradictory, false and perjured testimony in an effort to sustain an unsustainable charge.

CrimeBustersNow
10-21-2012, 03:31 AM
I can be reached Toll free North America 888-810-6736 gatoraid@sympatico.ca

path2prosperity
10-21-2012, 04:10 AM
Hi guys

Dave here again. Things are not going well. I find myself gravitating down the road to suicide as did this teacher also falsely accused of assaulting a student. I am now desperately appealing for support anywhere.



Hi Dave,

You seem to have had all you can take at present. Don't let the Buggers get you down now. You record speaks loud and clear. You were one of the pioneers in this scam busting field and most of us at RS are behind you.

You will be pleased to know that WLD have cleaned up their act and that most who posted abuse about you have left or been ridiculed.

scratchycat
10-21-2012, 08:51 AM
Hi guys

Dave here again. Things are not going well. I find myself gravitating down the road to suicide as did this teacher also falsely accused of assaulting a student. I am now desperately appealing for support anywhere.

A senior administrator characterized Ron Mayfield as an energetic and experienced teacher who related well to his students; his death was tragic. Mr. Mayfield was accused by one of his students of a physical assault. In line with school policy, he was immediately suspended (with pay) and police and youth services were notified.
While various investigations were carried out by many agencies, Mr. Mayfield was left on the sidelines. He was not kept abreast of actions and was left open to the rumour mill that swirled about in the school and the community. Unlike many such investigations, this one moved quickly and, within two weeks, it was clear that there was no substance to the charges. Further, the 13-year-old student had recanted his accusation.
Unfortunately, no one in any of the agencies thought to inform Mr. Mayfield. Sadly, he committed suicide. While it may never be proven, his family (and many colleagues) share the view that Mr. Mayfield sought this drastic release because he could not bear the stain of a false accusation and the thought that his whole career was on the line. - end

Just yesterday 8 female students were arrested in Ontario, Canada for criminal harassment. It is epidemic…. I have now been caught in a “web of deceit” perpetrated by two 13 year-old female students, arrested and prosecuted by willfully blind authority trying to "cherry pick" through recanted, contradictory, false and perjured testimony in an effort to sustain an unsustainable charge.

Dave, please don't let those thoughts get hold of you. There is an app connected with Facebook called "causes" and maybe if you use it to tell your story you could get support. It is just a suggestion and I know there are others in here that have better ways. Maybe if we all think on it someone will come up with a brilliant idea and help Dave.

CrimeBustersNow
10-21-2012, 09:05 AM
BTW this is our assessment of Pigeon King International crimebustersnow.org (http://crimebustersnow.org/html/pigeon_king.html)

Soapboxmom
10-21-2012, 10:19 AM
Dave, please don't let those thoughts get hold of you. There is an app connected with Facebook called "causes" and maybe if you use it to tell your story you could get support. It is just a suggestion and I know there are others in here that have better ways. Maybe if we all think on it someone will come up with a brilliant idea and help Dave.
That, Chipin and more would be avenues to seek some help. We are honored to have Dave here. He has fought heroically against scams!

Soapboxmom

path2prosperity
10-21-2012, 12:18 PM
Hi Dave,

I followed your story on WLD and I was very impressed by your dedication to fighting Internet crime in Canada.

RS has brought pressure on one of the biggest culprits (Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro) and people like Bogdan are loosing their control of the Internet there. You may be at a low ebb now and I can understand why but there are people on your side now.

What is the name of that French magazine that took up your case? They did a lot to get your story into British papers and that gave you a break. If British TV and radio stood behind you again, it would be a great boost.

CrimeBustersNow
10-21-2012, 03:33 PM
I am having real difficult time navigating the technicalities of the internet, and trying to work on my defense for court. I have been driven into poverty; thousands spent on court costs transcripts etc. I may lose my website and my services: That is what the criminals and the underbelly of the Canadian “judicial” system combine to do: Shut down whistleblowers using any tactics. In the end it comes down to finances.

I have tried, without success to find out how to contact Karen Huff Klein, the school bus attendant in Greece, N.Y. who was bullied and received, at last count, $750,000 as a result of a Canadian fundraiser. I sure she would help. I can’t even figure how to contact the fundraiser or effectively “mine” Facebook and the Internet.

I was a School Bus driver some years ago. I faced down a bus load of big tough high school bullies. Several of them began relentlessly pounding, what they described as a “nerd;” a kid half their size. From the time I heard the commotion and was able to stop the bus, they had already smashed his face in, broken his nose and were still relentlessly pummeling his head in. Without hesitation I moved halfway down the bus, turned with my back facing the kids, grabbed the bars on the back of the seats pushing backward knocking these students down in the aisle like dominoes, yelling at the beaten kid, “get off the bus, get off the bus.” He ran out of the bus and by this time these heavy set students were on their feet moving toward me. I weighed less than 160 pounds. I just stared at them and said in my loudest voice “Sit down.” They hesitate then started again moving toward me. Again I yelled “Sit down.” I sounded brave and authoritarian I guess, but my insides were quivering, my knees trembling. Suddenly they stopped and sat down. There wasn’t a sound. I could not believe it. To-day, over two decades later with the violence spread on the Internet and the new attitude, I’m sure it would have ended differently.

I was later told… “Good job Dave,” but the rules are you’re not supposed to intervene in students’ altercations. You’re supposed to keep yourself safe and radio in for police assistance. What was I supposed to do: Stand there and watch this kid’s head, pounded and pummeled to a pulp, I had nightmares visualizing what would have happened had it been one of our female drivers.

This student could well have been brain damaged or even killed. I simply reacted in relation to my upbringing. My dad, born in England, 1897, was in the trenches in W.W. 1 at 17 fighting for his country and the world. There was no hesitation when the boys were ordered out of the trenches to face the enemy “head on” at their peril: That’s all I did.
I have fought against bullies since elementary school; sometimes with some bad repercussions, both to my body, my bicycle and other possessions. I fought against bullies and bigots in the workplace and on the street. Even against brutal police.

And now taking on the likes of bullying RCMP, politicians and government personnel and the international money laundering criminals they are in a conspiracy with perpetrating these fraudulent schemes on the likes of seniors and students as young as 16 years of age intimidating the students, their parents, teachers who speak out, and this concerned Whistle-blower.

But now, by driving me into poverty, they’ve taken away my weapons: The ability to print pamphlets and distribute them to students. These are the relentless lengths the Canadian government; my government will go to destroy an effective whistleblower. That is the abhorrent truth.

dave

Do you happen to know or recall that the Queen's own guard ran a £3 million Ponzi scheme within the Palace complete with intimidation and death threats... Check it out. Queen's Guard (http://www.cbnow.org/html/queen-s_guard.html)

CrimeBustersNow
10-21-2012, 03:42 PM
Hi Dave,

I followed your story on WLD and I was very impressed by your dedication to fighting Internet crime in Canada.

RS has brought pressure on one of the biggest culprits (Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro) and people like Bogdan are loosing their control of the Internet there. You may be at a low ebb now and I can understand why but there are people on your side now.

What is the name of that French magazine that took up your case? They did a lot to get your story into British papers and that gave you a break. If British TV and radio stood behind you again, it would be a great boost.

That was the Quebec consumer magazine Protegez Vous. This is the link to the reduced version. Fraudes: David Thornton et Crime Busters Now, ennemis des fraudeurs | Protégez-Vous.ca (http://www.protegez-vous.ca/affaires-et-societe/fraudes/fraudes-david-thornton-et-crime-busters-now-ennemis-des-fraudeurs.html)

I did not know that British TV and radio carried any of this!

Lil Ol' Radical Me
10-21-2012, 04:58 PM
Karen Huff Klein, bullied bus monitor, to get best vacation ever thanks to Internet | The Right Click - Yahoo! News Canada (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/right-click/karen-huff-klein-bullied-bus-monitor-best-vacation-134740950.html)

Looks like the fund raising site you are looking for is indiegogo

Lets Give Karen -The bus monitor- H Klein A Vacation! | Indiegogo (http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein?c=home)

There is another one called Raise Money for YOU! How to raise money on your donation website! (http://gofundme.com)

Your presence on this forum is greatly appreciated. You have a wealth of expertise that will greatly enrich it.

You might be also be interested in speaking with Lynn Edgington at Eagle Research Associates with respect to the topics you deal with

(link in my signature link)

CrimeBustersNow
10-21-2012, 10:41 PM
If the British press uncovered this story I think that would be the end of the harassment by authorities.
We did this for a man in Ohio falsely imprisoned 6 ½ years for allegedly raping and murdering his mother-in-law and raping his six year old niece. The story and the evidence used to convict him was so bizarre that after a wave of protests on the Internet, it hit the mainline media pressuring the extremely reluctance judicial system to take another look.

People on the Internet inundated the D.A.’s office with faxes and phone calls: Stirred up one heck of a scene in the media. I personally call the D A’s Office several times. Unbelievably, unlike Canada they actually talked about the case and at least appeared to take these concerns seriously.

Long story short, like the movie Shemshaw Redemption unbelievably this wrongly convicted individual actually found the murderer himself while in prison, picking up the cigarette butt of a man his wife believed could be the real murderer, smuggling it out to his wife and lawyer for DNA testing .

The Innocence Project - Know the Cases: Browse Profiles:Clarence Elkins (http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Clarence_Elkins.php)

If in my case, enough citizens around the world faxed and/or called the prosecutor’s office and the Atty. General expressing disgust and let them know you are watching this case I am convinced it would make a huge difference. I have virtually no one at my trial and nothing in the Canadian Media; not even that the trial is taking place. Also I believe that if enough citizens around the world contacted the media in Canada, they might have second thoughts with respect to the suppression of this story and those in positions of power in it. Everyone has a stake in it. These Canadian frauds spread worldwide victimizing among others, seniors and students. In Poland an 81 year-old was defrauded of U.S. $80,000. Her life savings and a loan they coerced her to take out. The people who defrauded her were pillars of the Community in Poland. It was a diamond scam still operating in Canada.

CrimeBustersNow
10-22-2012, 11:52 AM
This is the nonsense going on here in Canada: A simple but vicious system that has developed. Those who speak out about these frauds, like the Oakville mother and others who have contacted me are arrested on false charges of threatening and/or assault where there exists no physical evidence only the word of the fraud artists, there minions and police willing to lie, and/or coerced or frightened individuals.

Police Detachment June 21st 2010.
“ … he grabbed [K] wrist like that (gestures) and pulled her back.”

Court January 10, 2012 P-59 Same Witness In Chief – “…he went and grabbed my friend's wrist and she went to pull away. And he did grab her wrist but I'm not sure how hard or where on her wrist.”

Alleged Victim January 10th 2012 – Examination in Chief

A. He reached out for my wrist...

THE COURT: Yeah.

A. …he tried to grab my wrist and before he -- and I pulled my wrist away so that he couldn't grab it.

THE ...COURT: So he didn't grab it?

A. He touched my wrist...

THE COURT: Oh, he touched -- okay.

Cross-Examination by Court Imposed Lawyer

Q. All right. Do you remember when I asked you if you told the -- the principal or vice principal that you did know him?

A. I recall that.

Q. All right.

A. But we did not know him. He said that we knew him.

Q. All right. If I was -- I'm just going to read you what's here and you can tell me if you agree with it, "And he looked at us so we -- so we did as soon as we came around, we said that we didn't know him and he wasn't" -- so would -- would you agree that it says, "And he looked at us so we said we did." Would you agree that that's written there?

A. I agree that it's written there.

Q. All right. Do you -- do you think there's a problem with how this was transcribed?

A. I remember that he was bent over, putting the photos back in his bag and the lady said do you know him, he said yes as he was facing her. We mouthed that we didn't and that we didn't know him and she said sir, can I talk to you and then told us to run.

Q. But I think you pretty much have to agree with me, in the statement you said that you did know him.

A. In the statement it does say that.

Q. All right. But you're saying something different here now?

Alleged Victim: RE-EXAMINATION BY MS. STEVENSON:

Q. Ms. [L], can I just ask you to go back to that page four of your transcript there?

A. Yes.

Q. And I'm just going to read you a portion from the transcript and then ask you a question about that. So this is in that second paragraph, the top of page four. "And then, when there -- as the vice principal from O.T. drove up in the car and was looking at us and said, 'Do you know this man?' and he said that we did and he looked at us so we said we did but as soon as we come around, we said that we didn't know him and like, he wasn't supposed to be there." So first of all, you see that in the transcript, is that how you remember it today?

A. Today I remembered only him saying that we know him and us mouthing that we didn't.

Q. Okay.

A. That's what I remember today.

X X X X X X X X

Statements of the student witness to police…

A. – Umm, the vice principal of OT came and said “Girls do you know who you’re talking too?” and the man said “Yes they do” and we were like “No, no we don’t” (shakes hands). And the lady said “Can I talk to you sir? And pulled him and we ran.

Vice principal under my cross-examination:

A… and I didn't know anything about you until I got out of the car after the two girls...left…

Q. …But I’m asking specifically did you hear them say, first of all, in response to a question that you don’t remember was asked which is, “Do you know this man?” That she said yes they do, that they knew me.

A. I do not recall that, no.

Q. Right. And the other thing was and I think that’s pretty clear, but at no time did you physically grab the accused arm or pull the accused away in any manner from these students while they ran away?

A. I was in my car, sir.

Earlier Cross examination of student witness…. Motive for the Lies.

Q. So, when the vice principal drove up, what did you do?

A. Well she asked him if he knew us and he said yes, and we said no. And she said to the man, "Come here. Sir, can I talk to you?" And me and “K” ran.

Q. All right. And where did you run to?

A. We ran to my house.

Q. All right. Did you call the police?

A. No.

Q. Why not?

A. I didn't want to tell my mom.

Q. That's why you didn't call the police right away?

A. Yeah, I was too scared to tell my mom.

Q. And -- and why would you be too scared to tell your mom that?

A. Because I didn't know if she'd get mad at me for being there with a stranger.
* * * * *
So, the alleged assault, “forcing” them to remain at the scene would be a convenient excuse attempting to justify why they would be talking to a stranger. Again, it should be obvious to anyone, particularly a judge that they fabricated this story insisting that they were first physically restrained then psychologically too frightened to leave. They were not afraid of me at the school. They feared admonishment from their parents and possibly the police when it later occurred to them they had, without thinking been talking to a stranger. Simple! And that was the theory I propose to the section 486 C.C.C. court imposed lawyer: It turned out to be accurate as borne out by the above testimony.

For a number of years I have been warning students at Ontario universities, colleges, high schools and on the street, of harm of pyramid schemes that now recruit even unwitting high school students by exerting my right of freedom of speech and freedom of peaceful assembly. Most times I am harassed in any number of ways by police and on two other occasions falsely arrested. Convicted in one with perjured evidence, charges in the other dropped when an unbiased the judge refused to go along with the nonsense of the police.

Before attending at the Oakville Trafalgar High School I informed the Halton police I would be there. Police assured me that there was no problem as long as I did not trespass on school property or interfere with school activities and recommended I call and leave a message with the school liaison officer; which I did. [calls recorded]

I know from previous experience that the Halton Regional Police are not enamored with the content of my pamphlets and do not hesitate to use every opportunity to force me to their mental facilities to have willing psychiatrists endorse the police mantra that I am “paranoid,” “delusional,” “out of touch with reality” and that these frauds I expose and those of position behind them, “only exist in a delusional mind.” But this time police seemed to have no intention of harassing me as was my past experiences.

I think it evident the system is now using these children who were obviously afraid of being admonished by their parents and of course more so when the police became involved, to once again convict this whistleblower with false, tainted and perjured evidence. It truly is bizarre.

dave

CrimeBustersNow
10-22-2012, 01:05 PM
Posted Oct 22 2012

The question arises… How much of this since 2003 can a person endure, with my business gone, my reputation destroyed, a false criminal record of threatening and assaulting police and others, pointing a fire arm at a police officer entered in the police computer, CPIC, when I have never had a fire arm in my possession; these false allegations, preventing among other things travel to other countries, and driven into poverty having to pay the cost associated with these court appearances with nothing left to print pamphlets or now even pay for dental care.

It is psychologically and emotionally, debilitating. I am just trying to prevent more and more victims from scrumming to clever manipulating fraud artists, who can destroy their lives, their friendships, their communities, their country’s economy and left uncorrected; the world, as happened in the country of Albania in 1997, that the IMF warned the world about.

Finance & Development, March 2000 - The Rise and Fall of Albania's Pyramid Schemes (http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2000/03/jarvis.htm)

This is what can happen to a persistent whistleblower in Canada if they refuse to "shut up" and “tow the line” of the corrupt Status Quo.

dave

When the media ceases to inform and the public no longer questions, that truly is the beginning of the end of democracy - David John Thornton – crimebustersnow.org

scratchycat
10-22-2012, 01:49 PM
Dave, I have a suggestion. I went to your website and you have a donations tab but I could not find how a person would be able to donate to your cause. How about getting a PayPal button? We have a member here (Jason) who is an IT, he might be willing to help you set it up.

If the members who have blogs would carry your story and help spread the word, it would help gain attention. We could use more pictures if you have them or can locate on internet - people like to see pictures. After much exposure, any of us or one of us could then start a campaign. Don't see why we could not use all the availables Causes (http://www.causes.com/causes/new), the ones LORM and SBM mentioned.

I am going to post this information in my own blog from what I have collected here and all the other sources you mentioned. If you or anyone objects to this, please let me know deletion is always easy. Just thought it might help others get it going on their blogs as they can rewrite or feature what they choose to. Will let you know when it is up and published.
You can message me here but I sent you a message from my gmail account, not sure if you got it.

path2prosperity
10-22-2012, 02:44 PM
This is the nonsense going on here in Canada: A simple but vicious system that has developed. Those who speak out about these frauds, like the Oakville mother and others who have contacted me are arrested on false charges of threatening and/or assault where there exists no physical evidence only the word of the fraud artists, there minions and police willing to lie, and/or coerced or frightened individuals.




Dave.

What is tolerated in Canada is well known to most RealScam members. Bogdon Fiedur of Adlandpro which is known to RS members as Scamlandpro, has got away with running an advertising board which is nothing but hard porn and pernicious scams. None of the Canadian Police or law enforcement agencies have done anything to stop this man and no newspapers seem interested in closing the filthy sewer down.

Some paper or news agency needs to get onto this as it confirms you story about the extent of the cover ups for criminal enterprises in Canada.

scratchycat
10-22-2012, 04:10 PM
Please check it out and give (kind) suggestions. :RpS_smile:

Help Save Canada's Whistleblower Dave ThorntonExpressions (http://www.sagariexpressions.com/Blog/discussions/help-save-canadas-whistleblower-dave-thornton)

CrimeBustersNow
10-22-2012, 06:38 PM
Dave.

What is tolerated in Canada is well known to most RealScam members. Bogdon Fiedur of Adlandpro which is known to RS members as Scamlandpro, has got away with running an advertising board which is nothing but hard porn and pernicious scams. None of the Canadian Police or law enforcement agencies have done anything to stop this man and no newspapers seem interested in closing the filthy sewer down.

Some paper or news agency needs to get onto this as it confirms you story about the extent of the cover ups for criminal enterprises in Canada.
I wish you could get a British media to do a story on these Canadians frauds that come into GB and other countries ripping off your citizens due to the fact Canada does virtually nothing to prevent these frauds. The classic example.... TTI was promptly shut down by the DTI in England when we informed Interpol, Scotland Yard, Manchester and London police in 2005. These fraudsters were not arrested in Canada until January 2011, despite the action in the UK and the broadcast on Canada's CBC Marketplace in 2009. Since the arrests the CBC refuses to tell the public that police, politicians, government personnel, lawyers, accountants, business analysts etc, etc, were behind this massive fraud. "Conspiracy of Silence"????

kschang
10-22-2012, 09:20 PM
What is needed is a comparison of this system vs. the current system in Russia... If you are arrested, you are as well as guilty, unless you bail out.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/docarchive/docarchive_20120705-0100b.mp3

CrimeBustersNow
10-22-2012, 11:10 PM
What is needed is a comparison of this system vs. the current system in Russia... If you are arrested, you are as well as guilty, unless you bail out.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/docarchive/docarchive_20120705-0100b.mp3
Just like Canada when you are arrested for threatening and/or assault. The "reverse onus" rule is applied at your bail. You are presumed guilty. You prove you didn't do it or it is assumed you did and can be held without bail notwithstanding credible evidence you were not even there to make the threat or commit the assault.

It happened to Jamie Nelson. Jailed for 3 ½ years for a rape he did not commit even though he had witnesses claiming he was with them at the time. It happened to me notwithstanding a police officer’s note book and two full reports from two officers stating I was speaking with police or elsewhere when this vile accusation that I threatened violence was made. The accuser was in fact labeled a liar in the police officers notebook and subsequent reports. Notwithstanding, I was held without bail, by a bizarre J.P. and subsequent bias and ridiculous judges; held 4 months, beaten by jail guards, 4 ribs broken. At the time I was unaware that this ridiculous and controversial law of “reverse onus” had come into effect. Many years ago you could not be jailed on the evidence of one witness without some collaborating evidence, particularly when a strong ulterior motive was obvious. Such as a person profiting, particularly in 100s of thousands, or even millions of dollars, or other powerful considerations such as a business partner or spouse having access to your assets and private files while you are incarcerated by simply uttering an unsubstantiated allegation. That, to logical, clear thinking individuals is too easy so to do.

So, if one wants to take any innocent person “out of the picture” just accuse them of threatening or assault.

In Canada, certainly in Ontario, it’s whoever gets to the cops first with an allegation wins. So who would get to the cops first when no problem exists and the complaint is a lie? Obviously the liar with the motive and the factious complaint: The innocent one isn't making false complaints to police. The innocent one doesn’t see it coming. That’s how it works... But not in Canada you say! Really???

dave

Poyol
10-23-2012, 07:23 AM
I am happy to help with any fundraising for you, Dave.

Whistleblowers shouldn't be targeted by the authorities.

Jason

scratchycat
10-23-2012, 10:14 AM
Please check it out and give (kind) suggestions. :RpS_smile:

Help Save Canada's Whistleblower Dave ThorntonExpressions (http://www.sagariexpressions.com/Blog/discussions/help-save-canadas-whistleblower-dave-thornton)

This has been updated with more info and some pictures. I hope you will join with me and post something in your own blogs and help spread the word. Dave, I have just posted link in Facebook and Twitter. So many others of you have better blogs than mine and could make a much better impact. I suppose I will take a little criticism - Scratchycat is scaredycat when it comes to that word!! Comes from being a little too sensitive. :RpS_sad:

CrimeBustersNow
10-23-2012, 10:46 AM
I am happy to help with any fundraising for you, Dave.

Whistleblowers shouldn't be targeted by the authorities.

Jason

Thanks Jason. So much.

kschang
10-23-2012, 12:43 PM
Dave, you can't save someone if they don't *want* to be saved. While all of us would LOVE to simply wave the truth in front of potential victims and "make them see the light" with snap of a finger much like hypnotist wakes up the patient (as portrayed in fiction), that almost NEVER happens.

IMHO, what you really need is media attention, and spread your message that way, instead of going person-to-person. I would recommend making a Youtube video where you plead your side of the case, and make it go viral. That would both bring attention to your plight... AND your cause.

Just be yourself. Explain to the world who you are: Crimebuster Dave, going after crimes since (whenever). have a little scrolling text at the bottom that goes to website "helpCrimebusterDavenow.com" or something. Explain that you were doing outreach to potential scam victims when you were accused of assault (a pun on "reaching out"? I don't know if that'll go over well) and so on and so forth.

However, do NOT portray the system in a negative light. Say that you understand the system needs to run its course, but it's getting ridiculous, and show the injury report, (available on website, of course) and so on and so forth.

The idea is portray yourself as a martyr for justice (and you are, in many ways).

CrimeBustersNow
10-23-2012, 05:47 PM
Dave, you can't save someone if they don't *want* to be saved. While all of us would LOVE to simply wave the truth in front of potential victims and "make them see the light" with snap of a finger much like hypnotist wakes up the patient (as portrayed in fiction), that almost NEVER happens.

IMHO, what you really need is media attention, and spread your message that way, instead of going person-to-person. I would recommend making a Youtube video where you plead your side of the case, and make it go viral. That would both bring attention to your plight... AND your cause.

Just be yourself. Explain to the world who you are: Crimebuster Dave, going after crimes since (whenever). have a little scrolling text at the bottom that goes to website "helpCrimebusterDavenow.com" or something. Explain that you were doing outreach to potential scam victims when you were accused of assault (a pun on "reaching out"? I don't know if that'll go over well) and so on and so forth.

However, do NOT portray the system in a negative light. Say that you understand the system needs to run its course, but it's getting ridiculous, and show the injury report, (available on website, of course) and so on and so forth.

The idea is portray yourself as a martyr for justice (and you are, in many ways).

I do not have the technical knowledge to make and post a video on YouTube. But some on this forum have offered to assist me.

Now, I realize you can't save someone if they don't *want* to be saved. What I do is make potential victims aware and many listen. The best place is at the schools. They do it Western Australia, even China where they have children sign a pledge not to get involved in pyramid schemes because of the enormous harm they do to the country. Canada embraces and protects these schemes from the top down. I received a number of calls from Ryerson students in Toronto after handing out of my cards and pamphlets there. Some had already been defrauded in the Sum-It Club scam without realizing it, and others, because of my warning were able to avoid it. You see brainwashed students are instructed to unwittingly recruit fellow students by not telling them where they’re going but that they will have a good time at this exclusive club and meet many people who can advance their careers through networking etc. But having been forewarned how the scheme operated several thanked me for saving them the fate of some of their fellow students. They also duplicated my efforts by spreading the word. Along with exposing the scam on the Internet it forced The Sum-It Club to declare bankruptcy their source of income drying up. Police officers were involved; a provincial prosecutor who also taught at Humber College; she and her family scamming students there and anywhere they could dupe victims.

The police knew about their operation, the Canadian Federal Competition Bureau knew about it, even seized their records at one point but did nothing to shut them down neither did the charge then after we shut them down. That is corrupt and that is abhorrent. They have now laundered their ill gotten gains, a significant amount of it from defrauded students, into a senior's home in Waterdown Ontario.

As far as getting the media to expose it; I have run circles for almost a decade contacting dozens of media, CTV, CBC, Toronto Star, City TV, The Toronto Sun; in fact Linda Leatherdale of the Toronto Sun sat with me for some time writing a story; a photographer took several pictures of me holding up the $10,000,000 lawsuit in one hand and the precedent setting decision I received from Judge Quigley in 2006, in the other. The editors quashed the story. I tried local media, Mississauga News, Oakville Beaver, willing to suppress the truth to the detriment of 16 year old high school students. It is truly corrupt and abhorrent.

I was written up in the Western Standard publication before they stop publishing; Québec consumer magazine Protégez Vous and Better Farming. But other than Protégez Vous the media will neither mention nor condemn the police and Government with the facts. None will tell the public of the extent of these frauds and high level people involved in perpetrating them. Even Africa, and even Columbia expose politicians involved in these fraudulent schemes. But not in Canada… eh!

Well meaning I realize, and emphasized you advise … “do NOT portray the system in a negative light. Say that you understand the system needs to run its course….”

That implies that the system is working and not corrupt and actually doing something about these scams, when in fact they do nothing until pushed to the wall. And what about the cover-up of RCMP officers, politicians, the government personnel actually running these schemes; the tax department personnel on the taxpayers’ dime: This is what I am exposing. I don’t even have the time or resources to expose the massive extent of the corruption in the Canadian police and government. But to “soft-soap” and downplay the corruption and seriousness of it and not portray them in the negative light they fully deserve, would make me no better than the police authorities, government agencies and the media I condemn who downplay and suppressed the hard truth to the detriment of its own citizens. That I can’t do. To patronize, appease, withhold the truth and “play games” is not me. The truth is naked and upfront.

kschang
10-23-2012, 09:07 PM
RCMP is horribly slow when it comes to prosecuting something. Business in Motion was exposed by CBC, but wasn't prosecuted until like 4 years later, IIRC.

What you really need is a good "celebrity lawyer" who's adept in generating attention (and Internet buzz).

CrimeBustersNow
10-23-2012, 11:08 PM
RCMP is horribly slow when it comes to prosecuting something. Business in Motion was exposed by CBC, but wasn't prosecuted until like 4 years later, IIRC.

They are going to move far slower with Kippax father being a former police officer, and the involvement of retired RCMP and current police officers, business analysts, pastors, and former CRA personnel he bragged about in his YouTube video in this scam with him. They don’t want the general public aware of those facts.

I filed complaints about BIM with authorities, informed CKCO TV, The Record in Kitchener, and surrounding media, picketed the Tax Department and both courthouses in Kitchener as early as 2004.


What you really need is a good "celebrity lawyer" who's adept in generating attention (and Internet buzz).

You are right on that. I have already contacted Clayton Ruby without success. And I attempted some time ago to elicit the support of the “Innocence Project” lawyer, James Lockyer. Ironically a year or more later he appeared in court defending the fraud artist Alan Kippax, unbelievably attempting, without success, to technically discredit a copy of the Judgment I received from Superior Court Judge, Justice Quigley in 2006: A Precedent decision for the protection of potential victims and society. Kippax now charged in a $20 million go-op… Go Figure!!!!

Perhaps instead of a “celebrity lawyer” find a smart young lawyer who would like to make a name for himself; provided he's not "done in" first: Or a student journalist.

Does any know how one would go about contacting Harry Marpolos who attempted, without success, to expose Bernie Madoff and was repeatedly brushed off by the authorities and the media? He readily admits that for over ten years trying to get someone to listen he was personally unable to shut Madoff down. Madoff's scheme imploded on its own.

With the legal tactics we employ Madoff would have been shut down in two weeks due to the massive size of the Ponzi scheme and the high profile of Madoff and those from the banking industry etc, involved with him. Madoff was the most vulnerable of any pyramid/Ponzi schemer I am aware of. And the bigger they are the harder, and faster, they fall"

Poyol
10-24-2012, 03:10 AM
Harry Markopolos | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/in/harrymarkopolos)

I'll try and find a direct contact.

Postal Code
02383-1909
Contact Information
(617) 833-8927
harrymm@comcast.net

CrimeBustersNow
10-24-2012, 10:26 AM
Harry Markopolos | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/in/harrymarkopolos)

I'll try and find a direct contact.

Postal Code
02383-1909
Contact Information
(617) 833-8927
harrymm@comcast.net

Thanks for the ground work.

dave

Poyol
10-25-2012, 05:01 AM
Help Dave Thornton! by Jason Clark - GoFundMe (http://www.gofundme.com/Scambustingfund)

scratchycat
10-25-2012, 07:57 AM
Help Dave Thornton! by Jason Clark - GoFundMe (http://www.gofundme.com/Scambustingfund)

Good deal Jason!!

Poyol
10-25-2012, 08:05 AM
I hope you don't mind, Scratchy, I've used your verbiage!

scratchycat
10-25-2012, 08:09 AM
I hope you don't mind, Scratchy, I've used your verbiage!

It is fine Poyol, I just wish we could start a new thread on this. I was hoping Dave would, maybe you need to help him with that. I wrote the article hoping others would use it or parts of it or come up with their own ideas.

CrimeBustersNow
10-26-2012, 08:38 AM
This was recently on CBC (Aug 2012). But CBC refuses to reveal to the public the extent of the fraud or expose the involvement of RCMP, police on down, politicians, government personnel, lawyers, church minister etc, in this scheme or the subsequent arrest and current prosecution of their whistleblower CBC earlier videoed being falsely arrested by RCMP in 2009 in Kelowna B.C. the charges later dropped when RCMP were told they had been caught on camera. By their silence, the CBC has effectively thrown they own whistleblower under the bus. It is difficult to believe this is happening.

Dave – CBNow

http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/blog/2011/01/easy-money-story-update.html

When the media ceases to inform and the public no longer questions, that truly is the beginning of the end of democracy - David John Thornton – crimebustersnow.com

CrimeBustersNow
10-26-2012, 08:58 AM
This is one of the most interesting comments on the CBC Blog re: Alan Kippax TTI – BIM -

"I watched your report on Alan KIpax and BIM corp. with some disapointment.

Your details were vague and often seemed to omit crucial facts and details. If Mr KIpax is indeed operating a pyramid scheme, why has he been able to operate in the open for over a decade?

Yes, I know your expert said that Canada is a haven for scams but are we to beleive that that that means we are so lax that we allow them to hold public meetings and erect billboards?

That is a bit hard to believe, even if I am willing to accept his credentials as an expert!
Posted by Andrew Piontkovsky on August 16, 2009 02:28 PM" ``````

Well these arrests answer that question!!!

When the media ceases to inform and the public no longer questions, that truly is the beginning of the end of democracy - David
John Thornton – crimebustersnow.com

path2prosperity
10-26-2012, 09:24 AM
I am gathering my thoughts on the impact your story. There was such a long gap between the end of the postings on WLD and present that I am a bit mind boggled.

I saw your picture for the first time and I hope that you will upload it for RS members. it is one of those pictures which is worth a thousand words. My first impression is that the picture would attract shoppers looking at pictures of new authours on the back of hardback books. It takes some time to drop known authors and give a new person a try. We need good books for thinking men and women. There are not many who provide we oldies with a thumping good read.

How did I visualize you in my mind's eye before I saw your picture. I have asked myself that question and I am not sure of the answer. I suppose that I visualised you to be rather like all the other angry young men who were protesting when I was a young woman. When I was that age, I was far more interested in dishy young men than angry young men with a story that did not include any romance!

scratchycat
10-26-2012, 09:55 AM
This was recently on CBC (Aug 2012). But CBC refuses to reveal to the public the extent of the fraud or expose the involvement of RCMP, police on down, politicians, government personnel, lawyers, church minister etc, in this scheme or the subsequent arrest and current prosecution of their whistleblower CBC earlier videoed being falsely arrested by RCMP in 2009 in Kelowna B.C. the charges later dropped when RCMP were told they had been caught on camera. By their silence, the CBC has effectively thrown they own whistleblower under the bus. It is difficult to believe this is happening.

Dave – CBNow

'Easy Money' story update - Marketplace Blog (http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/blog/2011/01/easy-money-story-update.html)

When the media ceases to inform and the public no longer questions, that truly is the beginning of the end of democracy - David John Thornton – crimebustersnow.com

So many of us are not acquainted with your story and need to look further into it. I went to the link from 2010 and copied this:
"Earlier this month we updated you on Alan Kippax and the BIM Corporation following a letter he sent to members of his company informing them that he was putting the business on hold indefinitely.

At the time Kippax said he was closing BIM's doors due to plummeting sales, in part blaming the members for sitting on the fence following Marketplace's 2009 story Easy Money. As part of this investigation Marketplace took an inside look at the BIM corporation and spoke with an expert who told us the company looked like a pyramid scheme that would inevitably come to an end.

It looks like Kippax won't be re-starting his business anytime soon. Yesterday CBC News reported that he has been sentenced to three years in prison and a ten year driving ban following a conviction of dangerous driving causing death and two counts of dangerous driving causing bodily harm."
Alan Kippax sentenced to three years in prison - Marketplace Blog (http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/blog/2010/04/alan-kippax-sentenced-to-three-years-in-prison.html)

The update was in January 2011

"Seems that the RCMP decided it was the latter. After their own investigation following complaints about BIM in Manitoba, they laid charges against Alan Kippax, the company founder, and some of his main seminar leaders. In the Marketplace story, Kippax told Wendy Mesley that BIM Corporation is above board because they're selling a product with value. He said "I have 8,000 people in the business. They're taking the holidays all the time."

All of the accused were summonsed to appear in Steinbach Court on January 13, 2011."

'Easy Money' story update - Marketplace Blog (http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/blog/2011/01/easy-money-story-update.html)
ALAN N KIPPAX v. CANADA (http://www.touchstonecommittee75.novaewebs.com/alan_n_kippax_v_canada.html)


ALAN N KIPPAX v. CANADA
CBSA - IEE INTENT TO DEPORT
March 2012

Is Alan Kippax still serving time? I could not find an update on that.

scratchycat
10-26-2012, 11:26 AM
I am gathering my thoughts on the impact your story. There was such a long gap between the end of the postings on WLD and present that I am a bit mind boggled.

I saw your picture for the first time and I hope that you will upload it for RS members. it is one of those pictures which is worth a thousand words. My first impression is that the picture would attract shoppers looking at pictures of new authours on the back of hardback books. It takes some time to drop known authors and give a new person a try. We need good books for thinking men and women. There are not many who provide we oldies with a thumping good read.

How did I visualize you in my mind's eye before I saw your picture. I have asked myself that question and I am not sure of the answer. I suppose that I visualised you to be rather like all the other angry young men who were protesting when I was a young woman. When I was that age, I was far more interested in dishy young men than angry young men with a story that did not include any romance!

If I am reading you correctly, you think that if Dave would write a book telling his story and helping others at the same time would be a good way to get his message across. INCLUDING his handsome picture on the back cover would be an even better impact, so all us old and young women could be more inspired to buy a copy!! Sounds like a great idea!

Of course there are many men and business leaders (and crooks) who would be interested in reading the story. Could be a major publisher would be inclined to publish a book of this type since it is a popular subject these days. Then, there is always making it into an ebook and charging for downloads.

Get it together Dave, you should have some friends who could assist with that!

path2prosperity
10-26-2012, 12:22 PM
If I am reading you correctly, you think that if Dave would write a book telling his story and helping others at the same time would be a good way to get his message across. INCLUDING his handsome picture on the back cover would be an even better impact, so all us old and young women could be more inspired to buy a copy!! Sounds like a great idea!

Of course there are many men and business leaders (and crooks) who would be interested in reading the story. Could be a major publisher would be inclined to publish a book of this type since it is a popular subject these days. Then, there is always making it into an ebook and charging for downloads.

Get it together Dave, you should have some friends who could assist with that!


Almost right "scratchy"

Dave has a story that has the WOW FACTOR. It is actually a story with a wow factor to the power of WOW. Dave's story is modern history, which is very appealing to the younger generation and he has the ability to explain complex technology to people who are not very computer literate. That is a different skill and a rare gift.

Modern history is one of the safest and professions in this day and age. History repeats itself and the victory of good over evil is one of the best stories that Internet historians could get their hands on. Corrupt organisations in Canada are loosing control but progress is slow. Historians who have a chance to interview people like Dave will be storing up “gold” for themselves and their progeny

If we can do something to help Dave to recover emotionally and financially by bringing his story to the rest of the English speaking world, he will be able to work on his account without the worry of living on a shoe string. His own account of events should go down in posterity. none of us want him to be forgotten or glamourised as a culture hero.

When I was a child my brother, who was a very talented artist, promised to paint my portrait but he said that he would not attempt to do it until I was over forty because he could not paint a portrait of a young person. He wanted to paint portraits with character, not pretty faces. Unfortunately he died as a result of a Korean war injury and his career was cut short.

I think that Dave should show his face to the world but he may not feel he can cope with the attention while he is at such a low ebb. On the other hand it may be the best time for him as the story is effectively "Back from The Brink"

CrimeBustersNow
10-26-2012, 05:38 PM
If I am reading you correctly, you think that if Dave would write a book telling his story and helping others at the same time would be a good way to get his message across. INCLUDING his handsome picture on the back cover would be an even better impact, so all us old and young women could be more inspired to buy a copy!! Sounds like a great idea!
Of course there are many men and business leaders (and crooks) who would be interested in reading the story. Could be a major publisher would be inclined to publish a book of this type since it is a popular subject these days. Then, there is always making it into an ebook and charging for downloads.
Get it together Dave, you should have some friends who could assist with that!

INCLUDING his handsome picture on the back cover???..... First of all, are you looking at the right picture??? Seriously; have you got my picture mixed up with some young guy.

Sometimes publishers will front money in advance if they feel the story will sell. It would be nice to find one with a social conscience who would not be concerned if did not turn a huge profit.

And seriously, I truly have only 5 friends and a couple of acquaintances most don't really see the true impact of this story. Many times those closest to you, just advise you to "move on." It requires real insight, dedication and a special interest in something like this and the only friends really supporting me on that, are those here at Real-Scam and a few other blogs, and many students who I don't know how to contact or organize.

Right now I am preparing for my court case November 13, 2012 in Burlington Ontario reading and researching law all day long. This judge is ignoring contradictory and obvious perjured testimony, trying to re-write law and riding rough-shot over procedure.

i.e.
THE COURT: Sir, you're trying to intervene. You're not talking to me, you consult with Mr. Brooks, okay. [court imposed lawyer]

MR. THORNTON: That's what I was going to ask....

THE COURT: When he's cross-examining, you can confer with him but don't speak to the court directly. All right, what we're going to do is, sir...

MR. THORNTON: Yes.

THE COURT: ...you're going to keep notes, okay?

MR. THORNTON: Yes.

THE COURT: Mr. Brooks is going to continue uninterrupted to cross-examine this witness. At the end he's going to confer with you and your notes, okay. If there's anything else that he decides to ask, not you, then he will ask, okay?

MR. THORNTON: That's all I wanted clarified, whether I should...

THE COURT: That's the procedure.

MR. THORNTON: ...interrupt him to ask the question or not.

THE COURT: That's the procedure from now on.

MR. THORNTON: Yes Your Honour, thank you.
~~~~~~~~~~

Well , as it turns out that is not the procedure, but rather a violation of Section 486 C.C.C and a violation of my Charter Rights to a fair trial.
I have been studying carefully section 486 of the Canadian Criminal Code. It states this…..
486 C.C.C. –

Condition of exclusion
(2.2) A complainant or witness shall not testify outside the court room pursuant to subsection (2.1) or (2.11) unless arrangements are made for the accused, the judge or justice and the jury to watch the testimony of the complainant or other witness by means of closed-circuit television or otherwise and the accused is permitted to communicate with counsel while watching the testimony.

THE ACCUSED IS PERMITTED TO COMMUNICATE WITH COUNSEL WHILE WATCHING THE TESTIMONY.

This judge made it abundantly clear that I was not to communicate with counsel until the end of the cross-examination.

Today I found this…..

It was held in R. v. H (BC), supra, that the trial judge erred….. The right to cross-examine is fundamental and is a right to not only to frame questions, but to phrase and express the questions in the manner of the examiner’s choice. Even assuming that this subsection contemplates the procedure of using an intermediary…..

The judge is clearly in violation of the right of the accused: The law does not grant to the presiding judge, the discretion to remove that right. This is a Charter Right to a fair trial. And there is a very real, substantive and common sense reason for it.

If you watch court proceedings, even the Mafia is allowed to consult with the lawyer during examination and cross-examination. Money seems to be the equalizer. That I don’t have.

The nightmare continues.
dave

CrimeBustersNow
10-26-2012, 08:41 PM
INCLUDING his handsome picture on the back cover would be an even better impact, so all us old and young women could be more inspired to buy a copy!! Sounds like a great idea!


I like a joke. But just in case you are not joking. I think the mix-up is in the picture is the posting on GoFundMe. I am the old guy on the right. I flew to Kelowna B.C. to picket with Scott McCluskey on the left. His family and friends were taken for over $60,000 in the BIM scam by his lawyer, doctor, and dentist. That’s when I was falsely arrested by the RCMP caught on BCB video.

Help Dave Thornton! by Jason Clark - GoFundMe (http://www.gofundme.com/Scambustingfund)

dave

Soapboxmom
10-26-2012, 09:48 PM
Now, Dave she did mean you! Don't be so bashful around the ladies here!

CrimeBustersNow
10-27-2012, 12:41 PM
Now, Dave she did mean you! Don't be so bashful around the ladies here!

Really. O.K. I can take a joke, or the compliment.

scratchycat
10-27-2012, 03:17 PM
I like a joke. But just in case you are not joking. I think the mix-up is in the picture is the posting on GoFundMe. I am the old guy on the right. I flew to Kelowna B.C. to picket with Scott McCluskey on the left. His family and friends were taken for over $60,000 in the BIM scam by his lawyer, doctor, and dentist. That’s when I was falsely arrested by the RCMP caught on BCB video.

Help Dave Thornton! by Jason Clark - GoFundMe (http://www.gofundme.com/Scambustingfund)

dave

No that is not the one. I did not see picture Judy is talking about but I watched a video and got the other picture. No joking! Actually we never joke around here until we get a chance!!! They make fun of me all the time but I can usually come back with one-upper! Whip especially likes one of the threads I started about DD!! :RpS_flapper:

scratchycat
10-27-2012, 03:22 PM
Quoting Dave above "The nightmare continues." Seriously, it has to be tough and we are pulling for you.

However in the USA we are all in the nightmarest mood as Halloween approaches along with Full Moon - getting really spooky. Maybe it is affecting your court system along with the approaching storm.

:windy:

CrimeBustersNow
10-28-2012, 12:25 AM
So many of us are not acquainted with your story and need to look further into it. I went to the link from 2010 and copied this:
Is Alan Kippax still serving time? I could not find an update on that.

He is Back in Jail charged in a $20million illegal gro-op. It is on our website if you follow the story and the links. www.crimebustersnow.org (http://www.crimebustersnow.org)

dave

scratchycat
10-28-2012, 08:05 AM
He is Back in Jail charged in a $20million illegal gro-op. It is on our website if you follow the story and the links. www.crimebustersnow.org (http://www.crimebustersnow.org)

dave

Thank you Dave, I did try to read through all the links but my time is stretched out pretty thin with all the things I try to do!

CrimeBustersNow
11-05-2012, 04:48 PM
Latest court appearance for Pigeon King -Arlan Galbraith

'Pigeon King' makes court appearance | CTV Kitchener News (http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/pigeon-king-makes-court-appearance-1.1025024)

Every day for months I personally made hundreds of phone calls all over North America to individual farm families, farm communities, corner stores, feed mills were farmers would buy their pigeon feed; blacksmith shops, churches, lunch counters, gas stations, farm implement dealers, repair shops, local banks giving mortgages to farmers; I repeatedly informed Canadian authorities who ignored my pleas to stop this massive destructive fraud and to U.S. Authorities some of whom, unlike the Canadian authorities took action to shut PKI down in their states. I was ignored by the local and national media and relentlessly harassed by Canadian authorities. But these actions started the "domino effect" that took a successful exponentially growing fraud and drove Galbraith to bankruptcy in 9 months and a story the media could no longer ignore though they ignore our contribution to the collapse of this scam and ignor the thousands of posting on the Internet.

It basically started here on the Internet September 2007 when police, politicians and the mainstream media refused to do anything.

PIGEON KING INTERNATIONAL PONZI FRAUD crook Arlan Galbraith (http://factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?9943-PIGEON-KING-INTERNATIONAL-PONZI-FRAUD-crook-Arlan-Galbraith)

And the word spread.

pigeon king international david thornton - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=pigeon+king+david+thornton&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_enCA442CA451&q=pigeon+king+international+david+thornton&gs_l=hp..1.41l59.0.0.0.26721...........0.oS5wF-G6TmE)

I do not believe you will find my name connected to PKI in any main-stream Canadian media (radio, TV, newspapers) In fact the media took thousands in advertizing fees from Galbraith, and he was even given free airtime on talk shows which certainly added credibility to his scam, notwithstanding I was continually contacting the media explaining the scheme until the local TV Station CKCO TV had police sent to my door with instructions to arrest me if I contacted anyone who was employed with the entire CTV network.

Unbelievable!

Dave - CBNow

Please Checkout http://www.crimebustersnow.com/ and Help Dave Thornton! by Jason Clark - GoFundMe (http://www.gofundme.com/helpdave)

scratchycat
11-06-2012, 03:11 PM
Hello Dave, good to see back in here!

Your link above should be: www.crimebustersnow.com (http://www.crimebustersnow.com/)

I still think we need to set up a Causes page, as I just checked on Jason's and donations yet. We need to get the word out and FB is a good place to start. I still have my Blog and I will post a link to Jason's page in FB.

Hope you are doing okay!

CrimeBustersNow
11-07-2012, 03:47 PM
Hello Dave, good to see back in here!

Your link above should be: www.crimebustersnow.com (http://www.crimebustersnow.com/)

I still think we need to set up a Causes page, as I just checked on Jason's and donations yet. We need to get the word out and FB is a good place to start. I still have my Blog and I will post a link to Jason's page in FB.

Hope you are doing okay!

Thanks. Great I incorrectly posted my own website address. Can that be changed since the edit feature "timed out?

Nerves on edge: In Court next week, November 13.

Latest on PIGEON KING INTERNATIONAL - Judge imposes publication ban on proceedings but former high flyer does plenty of talking outside the courtroom.

This is the only media, of all I have contacted that will even mention my name.


http://betterfarming.com/online-news/pigeon-king-comes-court-11204

So far Metro News has not removed my comment.

Alleged Pigeon King con man insists he’s innocent | Metro (http://metronews.ca/news/kitchener/430086/alleged-pigeon-king-con-man-insists-hes-innocent/)

dave

CrimeBustersNow
11-07-2012, 10:39 PM
Thanks whoever fixed my link

dave

CrimeBustersNow
11-22-2012, 01:03 PM
I was in court for the Pigeon King Hearing. There exists a publication ban. What I can tell you is, he will be going to trial in early 2013.

dave

www.crimebustersnow.org (http://www.crimebustersnow.org)

scratchycat
11-23-2012, 09:27 AM
I was in court for the Pigeon King Hearing. There exists a publication ban. What I can tell you is, he will be going to trial in early 2013.

dave

www.crimebustersnow.org (http://www.crimebustersnow.org)

That sounds like good news! Thanks for update.

CrimeBustersNow
11-23-2012, 01:13 PM
I was informed by Waterloo Regional Fraud Investigators that Galbraith was interviewed in 2005. They claimed they were unable to find anything illegal in his scheme. I saw through the scheme before the farmer explaining it to me finished his story: Literally about 10 minutes. I confirmed his story by a simple analysis of the “business” and conversations with Galbraith.

It was later confirmed by Corporal Mona Alexandra Eichmann, a 23-year veteran of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police that indeed Waterloo Regional Police interviewed Galbraith February 15, 2005, the day after receiving a complaint through Phonebusters. Phonebusters reported the complaint to police that “Galbraith was preying on the Mennonites and Amish” the same complaint I personally made, not only to Phone Busters, but the Waterloo Regional Police, the Better Business Bureau, CKCO TV, and the local newspaper, The Record in Aug 2007. Galbraith refused to reveal his business operations to police but led them to believe he was selling his pigeons world-wide. He explained to me that he was selling racing pigeons to sheiks in Saudi Arabia and other places world-wide and planned to also process them for meat (A story he told many of his unfortunate breeders).

A simple analysis of what was incredibly obvious in his “business” operations, certianly to anyone familiar with fraud investigation, clearly pointed to an illegal Ponzi scheme. PhoneBusters, (the name now changed to the Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre) it was explained to me, is comprised of RCMP, OPP and the Canadian Federal Competition Bureau. And yet these “professional” fraud investigators were either too incompetent to understand a most basic Ponzi scheme or under, what seems to be a policy of non-enforcement, remained willfully blind until the scheme collapsed under our campaign of informing North America and the world of the PKI scheme.

While I was personally engaged in that, and exposing other pyramid/Ponzi schemes actually involving members of the RCMP, OPP, and CRA personnel of which the Federal Competition Bureau is a part of; others connected to the same offices as this group of alleged “fraud investigators,” police authorities and government agents were harassing me physically, spewing false allegations and activity destroying my credibility in a campaign to silence a whistleblower; a campaign which continues to this day.

I really need support to get these corrupted Canadian authorities exposed and off my back.

dave

www.crimebustersnow.org (http://www.crimebustersnow.org)

scratchycat
11-23-2012, 04:54 PM
Will certainly do what I can and hope to get back active next week!!

CrimeBustersNow
12-03-2012, 01:25 AM
On December 5, 2010 only days before charges of assault police were withdrawn after the police officer, the alleged victim lied to the court, I wrote the following on a blog where the consensus of opinion was that the North American farm families, the victims of the PKI Ponzi scheme basically deserved to be defrauded for being that stupid.

My single comment appears to have closed the blog.

The Iceman: Pigeon King International (http://pragmatictory.blogspot.ca/2010/12/pigeon-king-international.html)

Six months previous I had again been arrested, this time legally distributing pamphlets outside Oakville Trafalgar High School warning students of these fraudulent schemes, many of which are now ensnarling students as young as 16. And remember? The Treasure Traders International Canadian fraud was being promoted in England with Kippax (his father a former U.K. & Canadian police officer) driving all over the country in a Hummer convincing citizens, including students, they could do the same by joining his scam: That is until we informed Interpol, Scotland Yard, London & Manchester police and conducted a relentless phone campaign informing hairdressers, shop owners, Bed & Breakfast establishments and the like of this Canadian fraud.

In these pamphlets I was arrested with, once again are my allegations that RCMP, police on down, politicians, personnel of the CRA (Income Tax Department) etc, are the
perpetrators of many of these pyramid schemes.

This from my bail hearing June 22 2010…. “I understand the accused suffers from paranoia…. The accused also claims to have been diagnosed as schizophrenic [false claim]. He compulsively tries to expose what he believes to be fraud schemes involving the police… The accused began speaking of police corruption within the RCMP…. The accused was in possession of six eight by ten photographs of RCMP officers. He also had several pamphlets entitled World-wide Student Alert.”

A week after my arrest, Canadian Press (CP) confirmed that indeed personnel from the Income Tax Department were perpetrating pyramid schemes.
And this unjust saga continues.

dave-CBNow

www.crimebustersnow.org (http://www.crimebustersnow.org)
Exposing Government, Police, & Corporate Corruption
One Fraud at a Time

Whip
12-09-2012, 11:52 PM
There was just a segment on a repeat of 60 minutes on CNBC here on the US east coast about this.

scratchycat
12-10-2012, 12:15 PM
There was just a segment on a repeat of 60 minutes on CNBC here on the US east coast about this.

Yes, I saw part of that.

Arlan Galbraith, the notorious “Pigeon King” from Canada, has been arrested on fraud charges for allegedly fleecing thousands of farmers through a $20 million scam, the National Post reported. Beginning in 2001, the newspaper said, Galbraith raised millions of dollars by selling pairs of pigeons for up to $500 and then promising to purchase their offspring for $50 apiece. Galbraith allegedly used funds from new customers to pay off older customers, the newspaper indicated, until his company finally ran out of money and filed for bankruptcy in the summer of 2008. Under investigation since that time, the newspaper said, Galbraith was finally arrested – and charged with fraud and bankruptcy violations – earlier this week.

source: The Street Sweeper - 'Pigeon King' Charged with Running $20 Million Scam (http://thestreetsweeper.org/article.html?c=5&i=1414)

CrimeBustersNow
12-10-2012, 08:57 PM
The story I am trying to get out is far bigger than the scam and the arrest of Galbreith. How Waterloo Regional Police not only ignored the warnings and the evidence of this obvious Ponzi scheme but actually appeared on National media informing the world that there was nothing criminal in what Galbraith was doing while at the same time harassing and physically assaulting the whistleblower: All this while the local media suppressed the facts in the story also discrediting and harassing the whistleblower.

When the scheme finally collapsed as a result of the whistleblower relentlessly calling of farmers, banks, stores, blacksmith shops, feed mills, lunch counters, gas stations, churches etc, etc, all over North America and the A.G.’s of several U.S. States…. The local media in an about face “Jumped to the Head of the Parade” writing stories as though they had exposed Galbraith fraud when in fact they had suppressed it.

No one yet will even expose the fact that Galbraith’s right had man is a disbarred lawyer, and not much has been said about the fact that an Ontario Provincial Police officer was a perpetrator of the scheme.

CrimeBustersNow
12-12-2012, 11:27 AM
Authorities in the U.S. are “following the money” in the Madoff Ponzi scheme and getting most of the money back. In the Canadian Pigeon King International fraud authorities appear to be doing nothing to return money from farmers enriched by this scheme to their victimized fellow farmers. i.e. A minister’s son was reputed as receiving $20,000 per month from this scam. It seems authorities are taking advantage of the fact that Mennonites seldom complain when ripped off.

Authorities have seized detailed records of the payments to farmers. It is no secret. It is just more inaction and cover-up. The Canadian Harper government attitude…. “Screw the victims.”

dave-CBNow

www.crimebustersnow.org (http://www.crimebustersnow.org)
Exposing Government, Police, & Corporate Corruption
One Fraud at a Time

CrimeBustersNow
12-12-2012, 07:27 PM
We were very effective as expressed by the scammer Arlan Galbraith to his victims.... In his own words.

Excerpt: ..."You all know who the fear mongers are and you know their RING LEADER. You also know how they used the internet, email, phone, mail, fax and the media to spread their hateful attack and poison the minds of the public. The FEAR MONGERS have been able to eradicate the confidence of everyone contemplating doing business with PKI. Potential clients have adopted a wait and see attitude. Bankers have been adversely influenced against PKI and are discouraging their clients from doing business with us. Because of widespread negativity in the media PKI cannot borrow money or sell the business. Government regulators have become nervous because of the media coverage against us. The FEAR MONGERS have targeted a wonderful business with a proven track record and outstanding business model, and undermined it to the point where it is dead in the water."

You can read his entire letter to his victims at the end of this article.

UPDATED: Pigeon King goes bankrupt | Farm and Dairy - The Auction Guide and Rural Marketplace (http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/updated-pigeon-king-goes-bankrupt/9616.html)


dave-CBNow

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One Fraud at a Time

CrimeBustersNow
12-13-2012, 08:50 AM
December 13, 2012

In the news this morning: The commission looking into corruption in Quebec has caused a “can of worms” to be opened with regard to corruption in provinces across Canada.
This lends credibility to the email I received purportedly from the cousin of Alan Kippax in which he accuses several politicians all the way to the P.M. of Canada, Steven Harper.

EXCERPT from email:

Mr. Dave Thornton

I received the Email from Mr. Bannister to get in contact with you. I found Mr. Bannister on a blog just recently as I did a google search on Alan, this is also how I found out he was sentenced to jail last week, thank the Lord. I pray for that family who's lives he changed forever. I met you a while back, when you first started going after Alan, back when he was running treasure traders International/earnfirm. I am one of Alan Kippax's Cousins, from Toronto. I no longer live there, I have moved out of Canada oversea's where I can try to start a new life and get away from the shadow that was hanging over me known as Alan.
I was with Alan for alot of his shady business deals. I have seen him pay off many people, such as the likes of Jean Chretien, and Paul Martin back when they were in power of Canada, and more recently Stephen Harper. He has also paid off Ralph Klien back when he was Premier of Alberta, and more recently Ed Stelmach, and the commissioner of the RCMP. The list goes on…

RCMP and other government authorities refuse to investigate this email notwithstanding years of protecting Alan Kippax, his father Frank (a former UK and Canadian police officer) and their scams and notwithstanding finally being forced to arrest 13 of his top predators; one a school teacher; one a banker.

Here are other puzzling allegations of corruption just last year under Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach.

EXCERPT: Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach has spoken: there will be no judicial inquiry into accusations of intimidation, hush money and hanky-panky in health care.
His intemperate and weirdly timed response late Sunday only lends credibility to the accusations leveled Friday by Independent Edmonton-Meadowlark MLA Raj Sherman and all four opposition leaders at a history-making news conference.

Ed Stelmach's weird Sunday statement rejecting judicial inquiry lends credibility to Alberta health allegations | rabble.ca (http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/djclimenhaga/2011/03/ed-stelmach%E2%80%99s-weird-sunday-statement-rejecting-judicial-inquiry-)

dave-CBNow

www.crimebustersnow.org (http://www.crimebustersnow.org)

Exposing Government, Police, & Corporate Corruption
One Fraud at a Time

scratchycat
12-13-2012, 09:04 AM
It is a shame that not more was done here in the USA to help these farmers recover some of the lost funds. Since this happened in 2007-2008 what have the US authorities done to pursue recovery of monies for these victims and also charge Galbraith and his associates with the crimes they have committed against citizens of the USA? I don't recall hearing about it back then on the news but that was also during the time when our presidential election was heated up. What can be done at this point? Is there any agency in the US still following up on the money trail and gathering information to bring justice? Here is a comment from the article link you posted above:

The real story about Pigeon King International dive and more…

As soon as CBN heard about PKI, on August 2007, Dave Thornton, the CrimeBustersNow.org President (CBN), contacted Arlan Galbraith directly and asked him to immediately stop his fraud and report himself to proper authorities.

If not doing so, Dave clearly let him know that CBN would use all proper tools to shut him down, according to CBN mission, like we have done with other frauds, TTI UK, TTI Canada, The Sum-it Club and now PKI.

CBN has been very honest with Arlan and gave him his chance to stop his Ponzi scheme, hurting a minimum of farmers at that time.

Instead of taking the farmers’ side, Arlan decided to try to discredit CBN volunteers by all means, and continue to screw more and more farmers, pocketing more and more money doing so.

CBN team is happy to have got PKI feathers up before our target date of July 1st, 2008, as previously stated on the Discover Vancouver forum, even if we could not guarantee a date for sure.

We are very sorry for all the farmers involved and their losses, but it’s better that 1,000 farmers have trouble than 10 of thousands more.

Thank you to Farm and Dairy, Better Farming and Lancaster Farming Magazines, the Iowa, South Dakota, Washington and Maryland Attorneys General, the lawyer Michael J. Webster, and all volunteers and people that helped bursting the worst Ponzi scheme to have ever been created in the North American farming business.

Like previously stated, CBN is ready to help farmers that want to be helped.

We can bring a horse to the river but… we cannot drink for him.

You have our email address, phone number and physical address to contact us, on the Business section of the Discover Vancouver forum.

Here, in Quebec, RCMP officers have just arrested Vincent Lacroix, president of Norbourg, for a fraud around $100,000,000.

Lacroix and his accomplices will have to face the Justice under the Criminal Code of Canada, in the months to come.

Lacroix has already been convicted under the Civil Code and is in jail for 12 years.

Individuals such as Steveee and some other ones, around Arlan Galbraith, PKI President, have designed and promoted a fraud already around $1,000,000,000.

If accused and convicted under the Criminal Code of Canada, how long will they get?

Maybe USA will also step in since around half of the PKI victims are located in USA. Americans do not fool around with Ponzi frauds. You can get 25 years easily.

All people that benefited from the Arlan’s Ponzi fraud could also be forced by the bankruptcy Trustee to give him the proceeds back so the money would be given back to the victims on a pro-rata basis, which would be fair and just.

Arlan cannot plead he was not aware it was a Ponzi scheme since Dave contacted him directly by phone and email on August 20, 2007, to ask him to cease and desist and report himself to proper authorities, before hurting more and more victims.

We always warned potential victims that PKI was in technical bankruptcy, with around $1,000,000,000 hidden liabilities in its books.

CBN volunteers and their friends are proud to have stopped that incredible Ponzi scheme after nearly 10 months of fighting it.

Remember that CBN volunteers team has business people and a real former American police officer running it, plus friends such as Retired Banker and other honest people helping them.

Only crooks that helped Arlan Galbraith to run and spread his Ponzi scheme are still trying to fight CBN, when Arlan disappeared, hiding in Northern Ontario, according to the reports we get, before flying to a remote location such as Costa-Rica, and spending YOUR money for the rest of his life.

We understand very well that many farmers are still in denial in front of the last events but I really think it’s a lot better that 1,000 farmers are affected than 10,000 or more.

If I was you, I would not fool around too long and I would make sure to contact the Bankruptcy Trustee and make sure he recognizes the whole thing for what it is, a huge Ponzi scheme, and takes all legal actions and means to recover your hard-earned money.

Take also note that Arlan was still collecting $750,000 on Friday, June 13, from 15 new Ontario victims, and another $150,000 from an old New-York farmer and his wife, on Monday, June 16, the very day before closing PKI doors.

Don’t forget you could also sue your own bank and/or accountant, or any other professionals, if they gave you a positive opinion about Arlan’s and PKI activities.

Don’t let Arlan and his friends play the victims’ role and fly with your millions.

Together,

Michel J. Grenier
CBN


UPDATED: Pigeon King goes bankrupt | Farm and Dairy - The Auction Guide and Rural Marketplace (http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/updated-pigeon-king-goes-bankrupt/9616.html)

CrimeBustersNow
12-13-2012, 11:03 AM
PKI in the U.S. was in violation of business practice law, fraudulent misrepresentation, and mail fraud. Mail fraud alone can be 20 years. Galbraith is not charged in the U.S. where it is believed most of the losses were incurred, which makes sense since Canadian Farmers who were in at the beginning saw huge returns that came from many U.S. farmers who joined last.

This is a major cover-up by Canadian authorities and Canadian media who are aware of the story. It is interesting he is not charged under section 206 (1)(e) of the Criminal Code relating to schemes that use later participants to pay earlier participants. And the mainstream media refuses to tell the public real story of how this scam was "taken down" and extremes police and government authorities engaged in to silence the whistle-blower until we were successful in bringing down this fraud and authorities were left with little choice but to lay charges in what was shown to them to be a provable fraud.

dave-CBNow

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Exposing Government, Police, & Corporate Corruption
One Fraud at a Time

CrimeBustersNow
12-13-2012, 12:07 PM
And aside from all that, ironically in Canada Galbraith is being "selectively prosecuted" for his scheme when authorities instead of prosecuting the "high level" fraud artists including, among them, politicians, lawyers, accountants, RCMP and police on down, school board officials, top personnel of the CRA (income Tax Department) etc, the perpetrators of the Women Empowering Women and NASCAR pyramid frauds, engaged in a cover-up which I brought to the attention of authorities years before Galbraith's scheme.

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CrimeBustersNow
01-06-2013, 02:26 PM
Better Farming Magazine – (Three awards; one international for their original story December 2007)

Court November 2012 - Better Farming EXCERPT:

The birds that he had been selling were being used to breed a larger bird that could eventually be used for processing, Galbraith says. He claims there was a smear campaign launched by disgruntled employees as well as David Thornton, president of Crime Busters Now, a non-profit organization, and Better Farming magazine. He says the campaign destroyed the business and the livelihoods of all of the investors.

“All these fear mongers scared the crap out of everybody,” he says. “They ruined it.”

Pigeon King comes to court | Better Farming (http://www.betterfarming.com/online-news/pigeon-king-comes-court-11204)

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scratchycat
01-07-2013, 09:11 AM
November 20, 2012 -

Pigeon King goes to trial


© AgMedia Inc.




November 20, 2012




Kitchener judge rules there is enough evidence to proceed against the former bird breeder




by BETTER FARMING STAFF

Arlan Francis Galbraith has been committed to trial to face charges related to his now-defunct Waterloo-based pigeon breeding business.

Judge Elliott Allen delivered his verbal decision on Monday in the Ontario Court of Justice in Kitchener as soon as a preliminary hearing against Galbraith wrapped up.

The 65-year-old Galbraith, who is representing himself, faces a charge of fraud over $5,000 and four offenses under the Bankruptcy Act. The charges have not been proven in court.

Four witnesses were called during the inquiry, which was held to determine if there is enough evidence to warrant a trial. The media is banned from publishing the evidence that was presented.

Galbraith, formerly of Waterloo and now of Cochrane, is required to appear in the Ontario Superior Court of Justice in Kitchener on Nov. 30 to set a date for a judicial pre-trial conference.

Galbraith founded and owned Pigeon King International Inc., a company that sold high-priced pigeon pairs to growers in Canada and the United States and bought back the offspring on long-term contracts.

The Waterloo Regional Police Service fraud squad and the RCMP launched a joint investigation after Galbraith declared the business bankrupt in 2008 and laid the charges in December, 2010. BF

Pigeon King goes to trial | Better Farming (http://www.betterfarming.com/online-news/pigeon-king-goes-trial-11334)

CrimeBustersNow
01-14-2013, 10:49 AM
Notice that W.R.P.S and RCMP launched a joint investigation AFTER Galbraith declared the business bankrupt in 2008, not when I first laid out the scam in detail to police, government and the local media in 2007.

At that point in time I was harassed by police, government and incredibly even the local media; physically assaulted by police, falsely arrested and imprisoned for observation in the mental wing of the Cambridge Memorial Hospital; the true story covered by authorities and suppressed by the media right up to the present. Other than Better Farming Magazine none of the media even mention my name or CrimeBustersNow, let alone the fact I brought this Ponzi scheme to their attention in 2007.

Is there anyone willing to contact C.K.C.O. TV and The Record in Kitchener, and the W.R.P.S. and ask them a few uncomfortable and direct questions?

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scratchycat
01-14-2013, 11:09 AM
Is there anyone willing to contact C.K.C.O. TV and The Record in Kitchener, and the W.R.P.S. and ask them a few uncomfortable and direct questions?

Any takers, I am not good at telephone calls??!!

CrimeBustersNow
01-14-2013, 09:54 PM
Is there anyone willing to contact C.K.C.O. TV and The Record in Kitchener, and the W.R.P.S. and ask them a few uncomfortable and direct questions?

Any takers, I am not good at telephone calls??!!

Phone call or email is good.

Several years ago, before the PKI Ponzi scheme, in the WEW scam, a woman called CKCO TV inquiring about the physical materials including a copy of a 911 recording I had left the news director. CKCO TV denied they had received the materials telling the woman I was mentally ill.

This is a municipality where those in power cling together withholding the truth that might tarnish the false image they have been able project to the world. In 1973 this M.O. was revealed in a massive act of skullduggery and cover-up involving the K-W Record Newspaper, CKCO TV, the radio stations and politicians. The K-W Record, it was revealed, did not let their own reporters in on the “secret” unless an individual stumbled on it, then they were shown the whole detail plan and sworn to secrecy to tell no-one, not even fellow reporters!!!

That scandal was first revealed in a scoop by the university student paper, The Chevron. As a result, the Toronto Globe&Mail investigated publishing an unbelievable two day in depth exposé about the reprehensible cover-up quoting the contrite C.B. Schmidt of the K-W Record, admitting to withholding public responses while concocting his own “Letters to the Editor” in order to fraudulently counter the overwhelming, negative public opinion.

Sandy Baird of the K-W Record was quoted as saying "Every time we 'play ball' we get the bat up our a$$." - Play ball = suppress the news.

The student newspaper that revealed the truth was thrown off the university campus and months later their new location was mysteriously burned down. Quite the community, Kitchener – (old Berlin).

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Frankly My Dear...
06-15-2013, 09:26 AM
Wow, I just stumbled upon and read this entire thread and I am shocked in disbelief. To Dave you have my moral support and hope that you could muster up support of some Canadian news team or investigative reporter. I cannot believe there can be that much corruption in Canada. Good luck to you - how did you finally make out in court? And to ks chang... great article! It got me so interested I spent an hour to read this thread!

scratchycat
06-15-2013, 11:37 AM
Wow, I just stumbled upon and read this entire thread and I am shocked in disbelief. To Dave you have my moral support and hope that you could muster up support of some Canadian news team or investigative reporter. I cannot believe there can be that much corruption in Canada. Good luck to you - how did you finally make out in court? And to ks chang... great article! It got me so interested I spent an hour to read this thread!

Hello Frankly MD! There is corruption everywhere but it was good that one was stopped but several farmers got taken on it. Yes, Kasey makes for interesting reading and very informative. My last contact with Dave was in Facebook and he has been having a rough time of it. A couple of accidents and long recovery.

CrimeBustersNow
10-17-2013, 06:13 PM
Arlan Galbraith (The Pigeon King) goes on trial November 06 2013. He has elected trial by jury and is self represented.

dave - CBNow

scratchycat
10-18-2013, 06:41 AM
Arlan Galbraith (The Pigeon King) goes on trial November 06 2013. He has elected trial by jury and is self represented.

dave - CBNow

Let's hope he stumbles on his own "pigeons" and goes to jail for his crimes.

EagleOne
12-02-2013, 03:19 PM
According to the latest court info, this trial could last another 2-4 weeks. Since Arlen is acting as his own attorney, it no doubt has added to the length of the trial. Some of the exchanges between Arlen and his victims as reported were comedy at its finest. It will be interesting to see how this all turns out.

scratchycat
12-05-2013, 11:11 AM
According to the latest court info, this trial could last another 2-4 weeks. Since Arlen is acting as his own attorney, it no doubt has added to the length of the trial. Some of the exchanges between Arlen and his victims as reported were comedy at its finest. It will be interesting to see how this all turns out.

Yes, it will Eagle. I have sorta lost touch with Dave lately but I feel sure he is watching this real close.

M_Norway
01-09-2014, 04:34 PM
I wrote a short profile on it and need some proofreading:

A MLM Skeptic: Scam Study: Pigeon King (http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/06/scam-study-pigeon-king.html)

@kschang (reply to post #1)

I have checked some different sources. Galbraith started his pigeon sale project in 2001, "according to some sources". We can use that year to identify the time frame between 2001 - the bankruptcy in June 2008 - the trial in November / December 2013. I will add some info from June 2006 / December 2007.

1. Some forensic accountant info from the trial:
Pigeon King would have owed $3 billion eventually, accountant testifies | CTV Kitchener News (http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/pigeon-king-would-have-owed-3-billion-eventually-accountant-testifies-1.1563661)

You can basically ignore his $350 million / $3 billion calculations, they are hypothetical numbers used to prove that the scheme was unsustainable (what the investors COULD have earned if the contracts HAD BEEN completed, and the amount of new contracts needed to be able to pay the current investors).

The forensic accountant reported
894 contracts, sold for $42 million (the number of contracts were found in the video)
394 farmers had received $30 million in payment
Investments made after January 2007 would all have lost money
At the time of bankruptcy, monthly payouts to farmers were $2.6 million per month, growing $100,000 per month

* Bankruptcy trustee BDO Dunwoody found Pigeon King's liabilities to be $23.5 million
(diabled link) todaysfarmer.ca/2008/08/06/farmers-lament-pigeon-king-losses

2. Interview with a farmer in 2007, "Farm and dairy"
You're raising what? Pigeons! - Farm and Dairy (http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/youre-raising-what-pigeons/1085.html)

He reveals a lot of details about the investment (June 2006) and the profitability:
100 breeding pairs plus building investments = around $30,000 (estimated by the farmer)
+ he reinvested in 100 additional breeding pairs in December 2007 (info found in another article)
work per day = around 2 hours
Resale price (for the offsprings) = $25 per bird
Gross income per month = $2,500 average (100 pigeons per month, 20 weeks old)
Net income per year = $18,000 - $20,000

Other people have estimated 90-100% ROI per year (from the offsprings). He has probably paid $200 - $250 per breeding pair = both the prices for the breeding pairs and for the offsprings has been reduced.

* A friend of that farmer had a $18 per bird contract (a newer contract than his own)
* Arlan Galbraith's only witness had a $10 per bird contract. That witness managed to sell 1,200 pigeons for $2 per bird after the bankruptcy (to show you the market value of the birds in a "problem market").

You have only got link to 2 sources here, but the info is from 6-8 different sources. Missing sources are about some "additional info", e.g. about the farmer's reinvestment. I have mostly been focusing on the financial side of the story here.

scratchycat
01-10-2014, 09:44 AM
You did some good research on this M Norway, thanks for sharing it here in RS.

December 5, 2013:

Better Farming (http://www.betterfarming.com/online-news/guilty-jury-convicts-pigeon-king-fraud-54070) reported it took nearly 2 days for the jury to reach a guilty verdict. Arland Galbraith is serving time in jail...