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path2prosperity
05-18-2012, 02:28 PM
TimTech is a group of traffic exchanges where advertising scams like Fred Mann's JustBeenPaid is allowed on at lest two (ILove Hits and Adlanpro Traffic Exchange. It seems that there is news about RS having attacked programs of this nature and their grapevine is buzzing.

Quote from one of Van Beenkom's forums in Scamlandpro where she promotes her scam programs on a daily basis. Kathleen's review of We RealScummers. WeRealScummers. (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2530444/The-RealScummers-are-at-it-again.aspx?flag=7)

VanBeenkom's Concept of Business Sites (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/forum/14638/List-All-Your-Biz-Sites-Here.aspx).

Quote from VanBeenkom's first review of RS.

"I'm in a live webinar right now with dozens of people, and it seems that the RealScum crew has tried to target TimTech because I posted about this great company in my other forum here at Adlandpro.

Now the entire traffic-exchange community is aware of the realscum idiocy and their habit of just targeting whoever they feel like, especially if I mention a company here at Adlandpro. How ridiculous, as usual.

TimTech is an excellent company run by excellent people who've all been in business online for over 10 years or more.

Who are the RealScum again? Two women who've been ejected from ALP because of rule-breaking, plus an Ebay thief, and a woman who's a moderator at RS who was held in contempt of court several years ago and had to pay a $3,000 fine. Think about it. No governance over scam-discussion sites, it's all opinionated poo."

path2prosperity
05-18-2012, 03:08 PM
Quote from another of VanBeenkom's RealSum review

"Who are the RealScum again? Two women who've been ejected from ALP because of rule-breaking, plus an Ebay thief, and a woman who's a moderator at RS who was held in contempt of court several years ago and had to pay a $3,000 fine. Think about it. No governance over scam-discussion sites, it's all opinionated poo."

I was not thrown out of Adland for rule breaking. My membership was terminated when Scamland admin saw one of my web sites and those people whom I mentioned on the site disliked the content.

My Adlandpro web site (http://path2prosperity.com/adlandpro.html)

Earl Lee Tobed
05-18-2012, 03:57 PM
TimTech is a group of traffic exchanges where advertising scams like Fred Mann's JustBeenPaid is allowed on at lest two (ILove Hits and Adlanpro Traffic Exchange. It seems that there is news about RS having attacked programs of this nature and their grapevine is buzzing.

Quote from one of Van Beenkom's forums in Scamlandpro where she promotes her scam programs on a daily basis. Kathleen's review of We RealScummers. WeRealScummers. (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2530444/The-RealScummers-are-at-it-again.aspx?flag=7)

VanBeenkom's Concept of Business Sites (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/forum/14638/List-All-Your-Biz-Sites-Here.aspx).

Quote from VanBeenkom's first review of RS.

"I'm in a live webinar right now with dozens of people, and it seems that the RealScum crew has tried to target TimTech because I posted about this great company in my other forum here at Adlandpro.

Now the entire traffic-exchange community is aware of the realscum idiocy and their habit of just targeting whoever they feel like, especially if I mention a company here at Adlandpro. How ridiculous, as usual.

TimTech is an excellent company run by excellent people who've all been in business online for over 10 years or more.

Who are the RealScum again? Two women who've been ejected from ALP because of rule-breaking, plus an Ebay thief, and a woman who's a moderator at RS who was held in contempt of court several years ago and had to pay a $3,000 fine. Think about it. No governance over scam-discussion sites, it's all opinionated poo."

How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!

littleroundman
05-18-2012, 07:20 PM
How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!

I missed out, too.

Like you, I'm really offensive.

littleroundman
05-19-2012, 12:20 AM
Since when did "online marketing" deteriorate into promoting get-rich-quick schemes to fellow promoters of get-rich-quick schemes ??

As if REAL online marketers have the slightest concern about forums which expose those who would drag their industry into disrepute.

path2prosperity
05-19-2012, 02:17 AM
How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!

Perhaps you would get a mention if you joined ILoveHits (http://www.ilovehits.com/register.php) and accepted the invitation to be informed about the free offers and services offered by one of the Tim Tech owners Jon Olsen.

You joined Fred Mann's crew to discover what "benefits" you could obtain from Fred Mann'sJustBeenPaid (http://www.realscam.com/f9/just-been-paid-547/index11.html) or JSSTripler (http://www.realscam.com/f8/jsstripler2-908/)

Now is your chance to meet what could be the largest nest of Fred Mann promoters on the net along with the owner of ILoveHits who showed his nose in RS to defend his program and ignored comments about Fred Mann or porn promotion on Adlandpro.

path2prosperity
05-19-2012, 02:29 AM
I missed out, too.



They are waiting in the wings for a stab at you LRM. "Beware The Ides of March."

You described TimTech as shady which incensed Jon Olson but it looks as if VanBeenkom is too small a TimTech member to draw any attention from him. I have been searching through old documents and disks to try to find out more about the origins of I love Hiits. I joined on Feb 2nd 2003 under Michael Russel from MAPAM. I have been asking questions about MPAM for a long time and got no answers. This man could have been an opportunist who saw a short term money spinner and dropped it but if he is still around and part of TimTech, he is above the radar now.

path2prosperity
05-19-2012, 02:58 AM
It is interesting to read what VanBeenkom has to say about JonOlson and other TimTech owners have to say about their respect for Adlandpro.

I quote VanBeenkom. spouting of about other traffic exchange owners HERE (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2530444/The-RealScummers-are-at-it-again.aspx?flag=7)

"Even the TimTech guys know Adlandpro is legendary, and anyone who doesn't like Adlandpro or doesn't recognize the greatness here, doesn't know what they're talking about...RS and the haters there don't know what they're talking about, regarding ANYTHING in online marketing. "

Compare VanBeenkom's statement about what Jon Olson has to say about Adlandpro, when he made his RS debut in THIS RS THREAD (http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit-ez-wealth-solution-kathleen-vanbeekom-promoter-533/). Jon Olson says that he knows nothing about Adlandpro whatsoever and that his only concern is running his own ship.

VanBeenkom could have upset Jon Olson by making statements about him which are in direct opposition to his own words in RS.

scratchycat
05-19-2012, 11:16 AM
How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!

Darn!:crying_2: You are just not as famous as we are, we love to hate you know!

Kathleen you are still lying through your fingers and you expect people to believe you anymore!!??? You are pointing fingers at the ones who are telling the world all your promotions are SCAMS, FRAUD, PYRAMID SCHEMES and any and all other 'programs' you can latch onto to steal money from other people. RS will not suffer from anything you have to say.

Keep promoting SCAM and it will be reported in RS.

scratchycat
05-19-2012, 11:18 AM
"I'm in a live webinar right now with dozens of people, and it seems that the RealScum crew has tried to target TimTech because I posted about this great company in my other forum here at Adlandpro.


She NEVER exaggerates either!!!

scratchycat
05-19-2012, 11:30 AM
I see the big/little BULLY Jimbo has joined her to use his famous word "Blowhard".

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scratchycat
05-19-2012, 11:32 AM
She is fighting back at RealScam but she is not brave enough to join us here to do it!!

And we have helped EZW??? Anyone believe that in a positive way?

Whip
05-19-2012, 12:27 PM
She is fighting back at RealScam but she is not brave enough to join us here to do it!!

And we have helped EZW??? Anyone believe that in a positive way?

Certainly isn't proven by the numbers she claims. lol. Liars continually lie. It's what she does best.

path2prosperity
05-19-2012, 01:11 PM
I see the big/little BULLY Jimbo has joined her to use his famous word "Blowhard".

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I noticed that scratchy. Kathleen has only one supporter in that forum, Jimbo who still promotes free groceries in his Scamland profile. Strange that none of their friends are backing them against RS.

I bet Jon Olson and the TimTech team ar not happy with Katleen speaking for them. Jon Olson claims to have no knowledge of Scamland and Kathleen says the opposite.

path2prosperity
05-19-2012, 04:52 PM
Since when did "online marketing" deteriorate into promoting get-rich-quick schemes to fellow promoters of get-rich-quick schemes ??

As if REAL online marketers have the slightest concern about forums which expose those who would drag their industry into disrepute.

I have been asking that for many years LRM. I learned the meaning of marketing from somebody who was a marketing manager for tea bags and got them on the market as an alternative to loose leaf tea. I think it was Tetley for whom he worked. If not it was the first big company to launch tea bags in UK. This man knew what he was talking about and gave seminars.

I tried to learn a very different form of "Internet marketing" from Michael Russel the founder of MPAM. He called it his Massive Passive Advertising Program. Was he a founding father of mass produced crap advertising? He is the only one I know.

Michael's methods were. 1) Join all his recommended traffic exchanges including ILoveHits and Adlandpro. 2) Join Worldwide Promoter and blast out ads to all and sundry. 3) Join all his recommended banner exchanges. 4)Join all his recommended currency exchangers. 5) Join all his recommended FFA free for all advertising pages. 6) Join all his recommended safe lists.

Last lesson was stop complaining and upgrade your memberships to the paid version. What has become of Michael Russel and MPAM? I have asked that question on many forums. Please help find the answer to that puzzle.

scratchycat
05-19-2012, 07:07 PM
Certainly isn't proven by the numbers she claims. lol. Liars continually lie. It's what she does best.

I agree with that one!!

Robert Puddy
05-19-2012, 08:33 PM
This thread is funny.

The answer to the thread title comes down to whether scam enablers are any better than the scamsters themselves.

And as anyone who has been online and around the "internet marketing" (IM) scene for more than a few weeks knows, traffic exchanges (TEs) are for the most part just scam enablers.

Anyone who doubts this just needs to join a few random TEs and surf for awhile.

TEs are useless for anyone seeking to grow a "legitimate" business. TEs just "funnel" noobs looking for a way to "make money online" into the arms of various web fraudsters and other programs that relieve the noobs of their money without giving them anything to show for it.

The only folks who benefit from TEs are the owners who, in recent years at least, use the "free" membership TEs offer as a means of building their own list of suckers to whom they can flog their own or their pal's useless "internet marketing" tools, and the fraudsters whose programs comprise the majority of the pages advertised in TEs.

And these same owners know that TEs are useless and won't in any way help most of the IM noobs who use them but, of course that's not what they tell the noobs.

So the question becomes, are TE owners any less a scamster than the out and out fraudsters whose programs, e.g., "Earn $10,000 per month while you're sleeping", make up a bulk of the traffic in their exchanges?

And are they any less a scamster for selling credits, etc.for a service that they know won't in any way provide a benefit to most who use it ... and that they know is largely used by IM noobs seeking the "make money online" holy grail that 99% will never find?

Jon Olson's an ex-MPAM guy who likes to present himself as a "good ol boy" who made the jump from pizza making to online "success" ... though in his telling, this was only after much hard work and "learning" on his part.

Most of his "pals" have the same story, i.e., minimum wage worker who "made it good online" and after much hard work (supposedly) achieved the "six figure income" so often referred to on IM scam pages.

The only difference between Jon Olson, Tim Linden, etc. and the top level IM fraudsters is that they either have some shred of conscience left that for the most part keeps them from crossing the Kern, Filsaime, etc. "I'd sell my mother for $5 ... but get in soon because there's only one of her" ... top dog fraudster line or they don't want to end up in the slammer ... as Kern, Filsaime, etc. likely will at some point.

But neither has any problem selling services and products they know ... because they're sharp guys ... won't benefit the IM noobs who use them and they ... or at least Olson ... have no problem telling folks who see no "results" from those free or paid services that it's because they didn't "work hard enough", yadda, yadda, yadda ... the same lines used by top dog MLM type fraud artists for countless years.

Olson at least makes an effort to explain that he doesn't allow doubler, tripler, etc. ponzi schemes on his TE ... though apparently after many years in the IM world he still doesn't feel comfortable enough to decide whether what most with a minimal amount of knowledge of IM could easily identify as a pyramid scheme is legit or not.

Which perhaps isn't surprising given that if all the scam pages were removed from TEs, there'd be little or nothing left to surf ... and no noob IM folks left to "funnel" in TE owner programs or buy useless "marketing" tools promoted by the owner or inner circle of buds.

So are the "Tim Tech" guys any better than the fraudsters whose "programs" make up the bulk of their TE content?

Guess that's a matter of personal opinion.

Re: "I bet Jon Olson and the TimTech team ar not happy with Katleen speaking for them.",

I'd guess Olson definitely isn't happy. Might conflict with his carefully contrived persona of "pizza boy made good on the web" as "legitimate businessman" who "cares about his (IM noob sucker) clients".

Definitely won't appreciate too many "Jon Olson" related comments on "realscam.com" type sites.

littleroundman
05-19-2012, 08:44 PM
Couldn't agree more with you, Robert, and welcome to REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com)

IM(very)HO, people are carefully steered into looking into the wrong end of the problem.

i.e. the "Kathleen Vanbeekoms' of the world, rather than the traffic exchanges themselves, which for the most part are thinly disguised variations of the totally discredited "autosurf" fraud.

Robert Puddy
05-19-2012, 09:23 PM
Couldn't agree more with you, Robert, and welcome to REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com)

IM(very)HO, people are carefully steered into looking into the wrong end of the problem.

i.e. the "Kathleen Vanbeekoms' of the world, rather than the traffic exchanges themselves, which for the most part are thinly disguised variations of the totally discredited "autosurf" fraud.

Thanks littleroundman.

Just want to point out ... because eventually someone will show up to say this ... that the kind of illegal ponzi schemes that some used cheap autosurf ... and maybe manual surf ... scripts to set up is not what the TimTech folks are in to.

The TimTech TEs follow the traditional TE model, i.e., surf for credits or, if you don't want to surf, buy credits.

The question, for me at least, is whether these folks are any better than the scammers whose programs make up the majority of the pages on their exchanges ... or rather are just scam enablers who further profit by selling credits to em IM noobs for services they're well aware won't produce results for the majority of these folks and also using their "membership" as a list to flog their and their pal's useless "marketing tools" and services to these same noobs.

In my opinion, they're no better than snake oil salesmen selling a product that they know won't deliver the benefits claimed ... and then exacerbating the problem by exposing relatively innocent, and often desperate, folks looking for the fabled "six figure online income" to even more snake oil salesmen being advertised on their exchange(s).

My own view is that the web ... and many of the folks who've lost a lot pursuing the, to say the least, illusive dream of a "six figure online income" ... would have been better off if guys like Olson had stuck to making pizzas ... though that wouldn't have provided some of these guys with the same "sit on your fat ass playing video games most of the day" lifestyle that at least a few seem to enjoy.

But, it's just a matter of opinion ... and conscience ... I guess.

littleroundman
05-19-2012, 10:44 PM
Yep,

I think your last sentence says it all:


But, it's just a matter of opinion ... AND CONSCIENCE... I guess.

IM(very)HO it's entirely synergistic.

None of the contributors are solely responsible for the problem.

Likewise, none of them are totally innocent of contributing to, if not creating, the problem.

And, it IS a problem.

Robert Puddy
05-20-2012, 12:32 AM
IM(very)HO it's entirely synergistic.

None of the contributors are solely responsible for the problem.

Likewise, none of them are totally innocent of contributing to, if not creating, the problem.

And, it IS a problem.

I agree completely.

I've been cruising around the web since the days before Internet Explorer.

In the late 90's, I, like many, became interested in the "make money online" stuff.

Which eventually led me to the MLM pyramid schemes of the day ... though I didn't recognize these as "pyramid schemes" at the time ... and the few traffic exchanges that then existed.

Surprisingly enough, lol, I didn't make a dime from my involvement with either and after that my interest in "making money online" sort of came and went through the years. Every now and then, I'd drop back into that world for a time, then drift back out ... basically because the time I had to put into my real world employment and family didn't allow for the time and effort required to earn a , in my view, "legitimate" income from my online activities or even adequately learn how this could be done.

But every time I came back, what many referred to as "IM" seemed to me to be increasingly scuzzy.

Or as you put it in an earlier post "Since when did "online marketing" deteriorate into promoting get-rich-quick schemes to fellow promoters of get-rich-quick schemes ??"

I never became significantly involved in that kind of IM because for me at least, it was crossing a line I didn't want to cross, i.e., knowingly lying to often desperate people to relieve them of what little cash they may have had.

And I think that's what a lot of so-called IM has become ... and it's good to to have forums like this to hopefully save some with a "make money online" dream from falling into the clutches of folks who have no problem at all taking cash from them for products and services that won't do squat to fulfill any dreams/fantasies they may have about "gaining financial freedom" by their, mostly futile, IM activities.

Because, as I think most who frequent this forum know, the majority of these folks won't make a dime online from their IM related activities. Most are more likely to end up losing what little money they have and end up feeling like a failure after becoming involved with various IM hucksters ... who of course have no problem telling these people that their failure to earn anything from the huckster's "program", or whatever, is a result of their not "working hard enough" or "not being willing to invest enough in their own future" or any of the many other lines IM and MLM scammers use to deflect from the fact that their "program" is a fraud and only a select number of participants, ie., the scammer and their associates, were ever going to make money.

And those who don't outright fail are eventually going to come to the "line" they need to cross to make any money online ... which in many cases will involve them choosing to be scam artists themselves and knowingly defraud IM noobs by selling services and "products" that the scammer knows are useless.

I tend to think (or hope) that most people give up and walk away at this point. But some will forge ahead knowing that what they're doing is immoral and/or illegal ... and in some cases convincing themselves that the snake oil they're peddling actually has some value to the poor saps buying it.

And to my mind that's where, and I'm being generous here, folks like the "TimTech" cabal are at.

You either convince yourself that you're a "legitimate businessman" selling a marginally useful product or you accept the fact that your product is largely useless and for the most part a device to enable various web scammers to peddle their wares and just live with that ... because of course you have to "feed you family" etc. ... or you just go back to a minimum wage real world job.

I'd guess that most involved with TimTech have gone the "convince yourself you're a legitimate businessman" route ... which for Tim Linden may be marginally true because he does have some web programming skills.

But, it's hard to say ... some might be more in the "I know this is crap but, I'll sell it anyway" frame of mind.

littleroundman
05-20-2012, 12:53 AM
But, it's hard to say ... some might be more in the "I know this is crap but, I'll sell it anyway" frame of mind.

Oh, I don't think there's any doubt there now exists a whole subculture of people to whom "greed IS good" and whose mantra is "as long as I get mine"

AND there's yet another subculture of "Kathleen Vanbeekom" type people who don't even need a tangible product (crap or otherwise) to sell.

I tend to believe "a lie by deliberate omission is still a lie" and it's not possible to be "a little bit" pregnant.

Robert Puddy
05-20-2012, 02:57 AM
Oh, I don't think there's any doubt there now exists a whole subculture of people to whom "greed IS good" and whose mantra is "as long as I get mine"

AND there's yet another subculture of "Kathleen Vanbeekom" type people who don't even need a tangible product (crap or otherwise) to sell.

I tend to believe "a lie by deliberate omission is still a lie" and it's not possible to be "a little bit" pregnant.

I agree with you.

My view is that the TimTech guys and many other in the TE "industry" are very much aware that most or pretty much all of the stuff being "surfed" in their traffic exchanges are scams ... with the remainder being folks trying to build a a list or a "downline" in other traffic exchanges.

I don't think anyone surfing a traffic exchange is likely to see many pages from folks trying to make a legitimate online business, e.g., aunt Sara's home made quilts.

Guys like Olson don't care about the fact that their TE is mostly filled with scam pages ... it is, as you put it, just a matter of "as long as I get mine" and not caring who gets hurt in the process ... though of course they go out of their way to project a phony "care about my members" concern.

So you get the "I'm an honest person and if I wasn't why would I give you my real name" and the "Ive been on the internet for 12years ... so I mus be honest" spiel.

Typical web scam stuff ... but unfortunately most IM noobs don't catch onto this.

They just see the "good ol boy" who made it good on the web and can show them ... for a price .. how to do it themselves, i.e., just become a sociopath who has no problem screwing people who are desperate enough to believe their goal to make a "six figure" income online is attainable through relatively honest means.

Of course the "how to do it themselves" "mentoring" will usually come down to "lie to everyone".

The problem with guys like Olson is that for the most part they don't participate in egregious scams ... they just enable others to scam ... so they don't often end up being discussed on forums like this and year after year are able to sell useless services that enable scammers, while maintaining their, for example, "I'm just a jolly traffic guy" type persona.

And yes, folks like this play a big part in the "web scammer" problem ... but for he most part, their hands remain (to the casual observer) clean ... or at least to IM noobs who don't know any better.

path2prosperity
05-20-2012, 03:06 AM
Welcome to RS Robert. I am absolutely delighted that we have a new member from the MPAM era. Was Michael Russel a con artist or a guy who spotted an easy way to make money without spending any. I would be delighted to see a new thread about MPAM as he was my mentor in "Internet Marketing," which I firmly believed was nothing to do with marketing when I came online. I gave his methods serious consideration and found them wanting

I started threads in RS and or WLD asking how reproducing mass produced sales spiel became known as Internet Marketing. Michael Russel was one who perpetuated the idea but Corey Rudl who inspired BoggyBoy Fiedur from Scamlandpro seems to be the biggest legend and success in the field of "internet Marketing" today.

path2prosperity
05-20-2012, 03:34 AM
Olson at least makes an effort to explain that he doesn't allow doubler, tripler, etc. ponzi schemes on his TE .

Re: "I bet Jon Olson and the TimTech team ar not happy with Katleen speaking for them.", I'd guess Olson definitely isn't happy. Might conflict with his carefully contrived persona of "pizza boy made good on the web" as "legitimate businessman" who "cares about his (IM noob sucker) clients".

Definitely won't appreciate too many "Jon Olson" related comments on "realscam.com" type sites.

Olson allows doublers and triplers now. I had not surfed his exchange for years but all the JustBeenPaid and JSSTripler sites are hawked ad nauseum on his exchange.

My view of VanBeenkom is slightly different from most RS members. I do not see her as a big fish. I think that she is nothing but shark fodder. She has helped to bring Olson above the radar and baited one shark. He has to decide whether to denounce her or not.

Olson's next move could be interesting.

Robert Puddy
05-20-2012, 10:02 PM
Olson allows doublers and triplers now. I had not surfed his exchange for years but all the JustBeenPaid and JSSTripler sites are hawked ad nauseum on his exchange.

My view of VanBeenkom is slightly different from most RS members. I do not see her as a big fish. I think that she is nothing but shark fodder. She has helped to bring Olson above the radar and baited one shark. He has to decide whether to denounce her or not.

Olson's next move could be interesting.

Re: your first post, I wasn't really involved in MPAM myself ... was just one of the many programs I joined and did little or nothing with at that time.

So other than the hearsay re: ex-MPAM member Olson acquiring I Love Hits, which from what I've heard was a MPAM exchange, I don't have much to say on the subject.

Olson himself though gave a "farewell to MPAM" obituary in his HEN newsletter some time ago.

Goodbye To A Legend, MPAM Will Be Missed | Hit Exchange News (http://www.hitexchangenews.com/news/issue-260-goodbye-to-a-legend-mpam-will-be-missed/)

Now, not having spent a lot of time with MPAM, I not exactly sure what the "shades of it’s influence everywhere", to which Jon refers in his post, actually are.

My own thought would be, based on what I've seen TEs and IM become, i.e., tools to defraud folks with the "earn an online income" dream, is that maybe the "shades of its influence everywhere" may not have been particularly positive however, I really don't know enough to say either way.

I've always like TEs and believe that they could have been beneficial for folks looking to make an honest living online, e.g., "e.g., aunt Sara's home made quilts." to get some relatively inexpensive exposure on the web ... though maybe this was more true in pre "stumbleon" type plugin days but, these aren't the folks likely to cough up cash to keep various "make a six figure income" scamsters in business or buy useless "IM tools" from TE owners and whoever is within their particular circle of "partners" ... or pehaps "syndicate" is a more apt description.

As I mentioned before, I've really only toyed with so-called IM at different times through the years ... but, I remeber the Corey Rudls, etc. who at the time struck me as a bit shady.

And I guess this goes back to my much younger years where every now and again I watch late night infomercials from some real estate, or similar, "guru" flogging some product that they claimed they'd made millions from.

And ... being the lazy ******* that I am ... I couldn't help but think that if I'd made those millions, I could find a lot of better things to do with my time then advising folks how to do the same on late night TV infomercials. Or, if I had a strong streak of altruism in me that made me believe that "I made my millions ... now I'd like to see others do the same", I'd be selling the products ... if I didn't want to give them away ... at whatever cost I bore to produce them, e.g., $29.95 rather than $795.00.

So, I've always been very skeptical of the "I made millions doing this and now I'm going to show you how to do the same ... for $4995.00" crowd as, I don't know ... maybe I'm just cynical, it seemed to me that the only money most of these characters ever made was from sucking other folks into believing that they had some "cash machine while sleeping" secret that any sap could utilize without knowing dick all about business, the web, etc. to make a "passive" income.

But enough of my ramblings.

Re:, "Olson's next move could be interesting.", I imagine he'll just ignore it.

Becoming embroiled in discussions on forums like this definitely won't work in his favour ... which is likely why he quickly backed out of the other thread.

You might get the usual "some folks are jealous of other people's success" line ... that these guys seem to fall back on ... or a "I didn't realize this was happening" comment in his blog or wherever.

But, I'd guess that will be about it.

path2prosperity
05-21-2012, 12:17 AM
Well, well well you have uncovered a gem of information. Affiliate Funnel and it's connection with Olson and ex MPAM members.

I contacted the owner on the day that Affiliate Funnel opened. I expressed my disgust at the free gift which the owner was offering to his members. He offered his members a free gift of software to cheat traffic exchanges with spam bots. He removed the offer from his home page when I announced my utter disgust and did his best to persuade me to join his program. I would like to see Affiliate Funnel scrutinized by legal authorities.

I had warned Jon Olson about these traffic exchange cheats and he assured me that the software could not be used on ILoveHits. Olson came over as a fairly ethical TE owner in those days. How times have change. He allows the promotion of any old crap now including programs devised by Freddy Mann and BoggyBoy Fiedur.

The slimy toad who owned Affiliate Funnel may have been a TE owner who sold software to cheat "honest traffic exchange owners."

path2prosperity
05-21-2012, 12:32 AM
Re: your first post, I wasn't really involved in MPAM myself ... was just one of the many programs I joined and did little or nothing with at that time.

As I mentioned before, I've really only toyed with so-called IM at different times through the years ... but, I remeber the Corey Rudls, etc. who at the time struck me as a bit shady.


I joined MPAM but like you, I did very little of the training. I signed up to his recommended hit exchanges and his WorldWidePromoter. When it came to signing up for banner exchanges, I lost interest. Olson's banner exchange was one most widely hawked on MPAM.

Spam from MPAM was inordinate There were times when I had to delete over 200 spam mails a day, most of which came from Adlandpro.

I did not buy CoryRudl's Internet Marketing course but I was bombarded with sales spiel about methods devised by "The Grand Master of Internet Marketing." from Adlandpro and other sources.

Corey's marketing methods may be the basis of the phony use of the term Internet marketing to describe reproduction of mass produced sales spiel as marketing.

Jon Olson
05-23-2012, 06:09 PM
Fascinating thread....

O.K., here's a few things....First of all, this REALLY doesn't sound like the Robert Puddy I know, I have Skyped to find out if this is Robert or someone using his name to try to stir up some controversy.

Second, here's my address and toll free number if you ever wanna come call me a scammer to my face 1-877-244-3581 & my personal home address is 1619 65 Street SW, Edmonton Alberta Canada.

And finally....Can you find Triplers and doublers on Google? Should Google be called scammers because you can find them by doing a search?....Here's just a part of my TOS on Tim Tech's I Love Hits....

"Please note, I Love Hits is not responsible for the income claims or promises with sites in rotation. Please research all business opportunities before you join them. Be sure to visit your local Better Business Bureau, and other consumer awareness organizations before you invest any amount of money! You join any program at your own risk."

I am NOT judge and jury for anything but I wouldn't touch half of those programs with a ten foot pole and in fact my daily show at trafficexchangelive dot com, we CONSTANTLY teach people to avoid these things like the plague. My company and businesses have always featured one level, commissions. That's it. Nothing multi level ever. Mot saying there is anything wrong with that model, just saying it's something I have never practiced.

Sorry folks, you are hanging the wrong guy and company (TimTech) out there.

But feel free to ask me any questions you may have jon at timtech.us

And finally....All the hoopla about Ad Land Pro and MPAM...These are programs I knew about years ago...And yes I was a member of MPAM, Michael Russell was a good dude but I haven't heard from him in years. He was about teaching people how to use traffic exchanges, which I do currently. Ad Land Pro...All I know about that place is there was a dude named Jon Olson and we used to share laughs that we had the same names. That's it. Sorry...Nothing else to see.

laidback
05-23-2012, 07:13 PM
Fascinating thread....


And finally....All the hoopla about Ad Land Pro and MPAM...These are programs I knew about years ago...And yes I was a member of MPAM, Michael Russell was a good dude but I haven't heard from him in years. He was about teaching people how to use traffic exchanges, which I do currently. Ad Land Pro...All I know about that place is there was a dude named Jon Olson and we used to share laughs that we had the same names. That's it. Sorry...Nothing else to see.

Errrr, can you explain the seeming contradiction between the statement above and:
Jon Olson
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Re: How legit is EZ Wealth Solution? Kathleen Vanbeekom Promoter
Appreciate the response. 2003 huh? Wow, that's going way back lol

However I have no idea about AdLandPro or anything of the sort. I just run my ship =) That's all I can worry about. Just curious...

Jon Olson
05-23-2012, 10:03 PM
LOL You are on quite the witch hunt...

YES, I have HEARD of ad land pro.

No I do not know why everyone hates it or any of the drama that you guys have going on....

I stay out of it and like my original post stated...Run my ship.

path2prosperity
05-24-2012, 02:03 AM
Fascinating thread....

And finally....All the hoopla about Ad Land Pro and MPAM...These are programs I knew about years ago...And yes I was a member of MPAM, Michael Russell was a good dude but I haven't heard from him in years. He was about teaching people how to use traffic exchanges, which I do currently. Ad Land Pro...All I know about that place is there was a dude named Jon Olson and we used to share laughs that we had the same names. That's it. Sorry...Nothing else to see.

If you do not know anything about Adlandpro, why do you allow their traffic exchange in your TE consortium? Surely it would be better to do some DD and disassociate your exchanges with those who promote hard porn. It would also improve your reputation if you made some effort to control people like Kathleen VanBeenkon. If you let people like VanBeenkom act as a publisher for your business, it will not be long before they become poisoned.

Real Robert Puddy
05-24-2012, 05:30 AM
This is the real robert puddy here, and the idiot who feels its ok to post crap in someone elses name should be deleted and banned from using the internet let alone a forum (any forum)

Will the owner of this site please contact me for comfirmation of who i am and then delete all the posts by the ****** impersonating me please.

You can contact me direct at the akhmedia support desk here http://akhmediagroup.com/support

Thanks
The Real Robert Puddy

Jon Olson
05-24-2012, 10:08 AM
Control people? Why on earth would I want to control anyone. Re-read what you just said....

She's an affiliate. She's promoting my business. So because she promotes something you guys don't like, I'm supposed to rid the net of her?

You guys are making yourself to be judge and jury on my business because of something someone promotes that also happens to promote my stuff.

Allow what? Ad land Pro? I cannot even tell you the last time I ever saw an ad for that program...

Oh btw this imposter who names themselves 'Robert Puddy' isn't the real Robert Puddy from the T.E. industry. They are obviously trying to bicker and start drama.

Sad really.

laidback
05-24-2012, 10:15 AM
LOL You are on quite the witch hunt...

YES, I have HEARD of ad land pro.

No I do not know why everyone hates it or any of the drama that you guys have going on....

I stay out of it and like my original post stated...Run my ship.
No "witch hunt" at all. When somebody makes statements that appear to contradict each other, it can often mean they are struggling with the truth or have a memory issue. Your statements appear to contradict each other and I was looking for clarification, and your response was more of a deflection, not a clarification. If you feel that someone asking a question is on a "witch hunt" perhaps you have a witch to hide...?

path2prosperity
05-24-2012, 10:29 AM
You guys are making yourself to be judge and jury on my business because of something someone promotes that also happens to promote my stuff.



Wrong Jon. RS has shown our readers that Adlandpro is a site that promotes idiotic get rich deals and masses of hard porn. If you do not want to find out if this is true and do some DD on the matter, you are burying your head in the sand.

Kathleen was proud to announce the fact that Adlandpro is a part of TimTech. She has put your site above the radar. You can't justify yourself by saying that you are not concerned about what goes on at Scamland. It is part of TimTech and you should investigate the place because you can be sure that legal authorities know all about it.

Jon Olson
05-24-2012, 10:29 AM
Hiding something?

I'm not the one going onto an online forum, not using my real name and throwing people under the bus.

Here's what I am hiding.

My name is Jon Olson

You can reach me at 1-877-244-3581

My HOME address is 1619 65 Street SW Edmonton Canada

I'm online every weekday for my 'internet show' at 4pm Eastern.

My email is jon at timtech.us

Now exactly how am I 'hiding' something?

I KNOW of Ad land Pro...Yes. I have heard of it. I've been in this business for 14 years.

I KNOW nothing of the drama and why you guys hate it. And frankly, don't care. That's your beef.

I'm here to show you a face to the company TimTech that you guys are throwing under the bus for unwarranted reasons.

That's all.

Jon Olson
05-24-2012, 10:31 AM
Ad Land Pro is NOT a part of TimTech and has NOTHING to do with it.

Does that clear it up? LOL I doubt it

surfer
05-24-2012, 10:41 AM
Fascinating thread....

O.K., here's a few things....First of all, this REALLY doesn't sound like the Robert Puddy I know, I have Skyped to find out if this is Robert or someone using his name to try to stir up some controversy.

Second, here's my address and toll free number if you ever wanna come call me a scammer to my face 1-877-244-3581 & my personal home address is 1619 65 Street SW, Edmonton Alberta Canada.

And finally....Can you find Triplers and doublers on Google? Should Google be called scammers because you can find them by doing a search?....Here's just a part of my TOS on Tim Tech's I Love Hits....

"Please note, I Love Hits is not responsible for the income claims or promises with sites in rotation. Please research all business opportunities before you join them. Be sure to visit your local Better Business Bureau, and other consumer awareness organizations before you invest any amount of money! You join any program at your own risk."

I am NOT judge and jury for anything but I wouldn't touch half of those programs with a ten foot pole and in fact my daily show at trafficexchangelive dot com, we CONSTANTLY teach people to avoid these things like the plague. My company and businesses have always featured one level, commissions. That's it. Nothing multi level ever. Mot saying there is anything wrong with that model, just saying it's something I have never practiced.

Sorry folks, you are hanging the wrong guy and company (TimTech) out there.

But feel free to ask me any questions you may have jon at timtech.us

And finally....All the hoopla about Ad Land Pro and MPAM...These are programs I knew about years ago...And yes I was a member of MPAM, Michael Russell was a good dude but I haven't heard from him in years. He was about teaching people how to use traffic exchanges, which I do currently. Ad Land Pro...All I know about that place is there was a dude named Jon Olson and we used to share laughs that we had the same names. That's it. Sorry...Nothing else to see.

Jon, you have to be careful when you quote your TOS. You seem to be reading it selectively. You are apparently a judge and jury of "investment surf" sites as noted below. If you are going to allow ponzis like JSS Tripler and the myriad of other blatant ponzis and pyramids, you might as well allow the old autosurf ponzis(are there any still out there), porn, and whatever else anybody wants.

From I Love Hits (http://www.ilovehits.com/terms.php)


Sites containing or with links to hate, discriminatory, pornography or warez are not allowed or tolerated. Also, all 'investment surf' sites are now banned at I Love Hits. Management reserves the right to suspend and remove any URL.

FWIW, I understand why you can't actually keep these things out of rotation with thousands of users spread across your network. Even if you were able to eliminate links to a ponzi's site directly, promoters would then just create splash and capture pages that were too vague to determine absolutely that they were ponzi related.

Unfortunately for you, ponzis are heavily promoted in every TE that I've seen and you will sometimes be considered guilty by association. I guess you'll just have to accept it as the price you pay for running a popular set of TE's.

Jon Olson
05-24-2012, 10:58 AM
Surfer - Finally, someone who makes sense.

Yes, I agree. We used to remove investment surfs from all the debacle that happened with 12 dailypro. It was a mess, and we tried very hard to differentiate 'auto investment surfs' from traditional traffic exchanges.

It's a tough battle. Here's my approach to it and I know it won't make any fans in this forum...Just like you said, staying on top and banning things doesn't work well in my programs. I have tens of thousands of members and hundreds of thousands of URLs...If I ban a domain, they pop back up in rotation under an alias, or tracker or whatever...

What I choose to do, which again, isn't popular here I'm sure...Is train my members that seek out information on why they should steer clear of these things. We talk about ever green products, and long tail business models...NOT get rich quick schemes.

The problem is, in my industry, people want the quick fix and don't want to work to get any kind of success online.

Now instead of me dictating what is and what is not a scam, we decided many years ago to let the people decide...Kind of like the tagline of this forum...We want people to feel that they can promote what they want, but if they do , they should know that some of the stuff out there is questionable. So we created ClickTrackProfit, to train affiliates about ever green ONE level affiliate payment structures, which in my opinion are a much better investment than any tripler, doubler, scheme...

But alas, we will never please everyone. One hand tells me, ban the world to protect your 'reputation'...The other says 'if you ban me, you are calling me a scam and that could be libel'....So as the 'enabler' of this, we choose to educate. Not dictate.

path2prosperity
05-24-2012, 11:40 AM
Ad Land Pro is NOT a part of TimTech and has NOTHING to do with it.

Does that clear it up? LOL I doubt it

Kathleen made an announcement stating that Adlandpro Traffic Exchange was a part of TimTech in her biz opps forum at Adlandpro. "Scratchy replied to her statement about that on RS. Who is speaking the truth about that, you or Kathleen? I suggest you read Kathleen's Scamland forums very carefully if you want to deny her statements.

path2prosperity
05-24-2012, 11:54 AM
Hiding something?

I'm not the one going onto an online forum, not using my real name and throwing people under the bus.



I use my own name on public forums Jon, so does SBM and so do at least five people here whom I could name. Some people prefer to remain anonymous. That is perfectly normal. If you read letters to the editor of any broadsheet newspapers you will see that some people give real names and others sign them (anon)

If you made the effort to do some DD and remove hard porn promoting sites from TimTech you would get much more respect here.
I did not try to throw your business under a bus. I asked why you allowed yourself to admit a hard porn promoter like Adlandpro or obvious scams like Fred Mann's Just Been Paid family of programs or the EZ scams promoted everywhere by VanBeenkom to be advertised on ILoveHits.

surfer
05-24-2012, 01:26 PM
Well, I'll have to go to bat for Jon just a bit here. :RpS_wink:

First, I am a registered user on the TimTech sites. As far as I know, Adland Pro is not any part of TimTech. The only TE or opportunity type sites under TimTech's umbrella that I'm aware of are ClickTrackProfit, StartXchange, ILoveHits, Sweeva, and ThumbVu. SiteExplosion, TopFlightTraffic, and SurfSkeleton are all part of their "NerdSurfing", but I don't think that they are owned by TimTech.

Numerous TE's offer CTP Badges, so they are in some way affiliated with TimTech, but not under their control. I have no idea if Adland Pro's TE offers badges. That would be about the only way that I think they would be "directly" affiliated with TimTech. I'd like to see a link to Kathleen's statement saying they are part of TimTech.

As far as I can recall, I've never seen a single piece of porn in rotation on their TE's. While it may happen on occasion, I'm sure users would make quick use of the report site function.

Regarding sites like JSS Tripler and other ponzi's being promoted there, you can't realistically believe that they could filter out all of that type of site from the exchanges.

In an ideal world, they could spend time reviewing every single site that is submitted. But that just isn't possible.

And like I mentioned above, even if they removed direct links to ponzi sites, there would be nothing stopping people from creating vague capture or splash pages that would then lead people to the sites. Or, members could submit a site/domain into rotation that was compliant and then just change the site after it was approved.

It would be a neverending and losing battle.

We all draw our ethical lines in the sand. Because ponzis are actively promoted by TE users, you could say all TE's are corrupt and are no better than sites like MMG, TG, etc. As for me, the difference is that sites like MMG and TG are built almost exclusively to promote ponzis and pyramids while the TE's encompass all internet money making "opportunities" of which ponzis and pyramids are unfortunately included.

Just my .02 :peace:

Jon Olson
05-24-2012, 01:33 PM
Surfer - thank you, you are correct. We own Click Track Profit, Sweeva, I Love Hits, StartXchange, ThumbVu, Traffic Exchange List, TE Toolbox, Doctor Traffic and we just recently sold Ad Kreator.

We do NOT own or have anything to do with Ad Land Pro...How do I know this? Because I am an OWNER of TimTech. And they do not have CTP Badges and we have never been in contact with the owners of Ad Land Pro. I've never mentioned them other than in this forum...I just know they exist, that's the extent of my relationship with that company.

As Surfer mentioned, we try very hard to keep porn out of our TE's...If something does slip through the crack, we get rid of it almost immediately.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
05-24-2012, 01:48 PM
Jon, you have to be careful when you quote your TOS. You seem to be reading it selectively. You are apparently a judge and jury of "investment surf" sites as noted below. If you are going to allow ponzis like JSS Tripler and the myriad of other blatant ponzis and pyramids, you might as well allow the old autosurf ponzis(are there any still out there), porn, and whatever else anybody wants.

From I Love Hits (http://www.ilovehits.com/terms.php)



FWIW, I understand why you can't actually keep these things out of rotation with thousands of users spread across your network. Even if you were able to eliminate links to a ponzi's site directly, promoters would then just create splash and capture pages that were too vague to determine absolutely that they were ponzi related.

Unfortunately for you, ponzis are heavily promoted in every TE that I've seen and you will sometimes be considered guilty by association. I guess you'll just have to accept it as the price you pay for running a popular set of TE's.

Agreed 110%. Distinguishing between which type of frauds are permitted on your TE and which are not, takes away any claim of neutrality and is certainly inconsistent with your comment "I am NOT judge and jury for anything". You are simply judging those you choose to judge.

The "I just run my ship" argument doesn't really wash, when it freely permits the promotion of schemes which are highly likely to be criminal (CONSOB, the regulatory body in Italy has already suspended JustBeenPaid as a suspected ilegal scheme, to name but one). The TEs which allow all these get rich quick schemes help to enable them, as you well know. It's illegal and immoral to deal in stolen goods, even if you didnt commit the act of theft yourself. It may not be illegal (yet) but it's still immoral to knowingly or negligently enable ponzi and pyramid scheme promotion, even if it's free. (and please dont tell me that you have no idea, after all your years and experience in the industry).

I appreciate that controlling the sites advertised is quite a task, but, in view of the crap that gets permitted, think that some kind of review is very necessary.


p.s. I do agree with you on one issue. After reading Robert Puddy's posts, the question came to mine - Is it really him?

Jon Olson
05-24-2012, 02:11 PM
O.K....So if you go to Google and type in 'JustBeenPaid' and you can then connect to their website.....Should Google be taught a lesson too?

I mean, those nasty web sites are everywhere in every search engine on planet earth...

How do you think Google is dealing with it? Just asking.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
05-24-2012, 04:02 PM
It's not a realistic comparison.

If anyone has gone as far to type JustBeenPaid in Google, it's because they are specifically looking for information about them. They may indeed reach ther website, or they may click on any one of a number of other websites which comment about it, including Real Scam.

However, it will not show up any TE links for JPB , because the ads are in the TE rotator and are not site links.

In addition the vast majority of internet users do know that Google lists ALL websites on ALL topics, commercial or not, and not just those ones which advertise legal businesses or say nice things.

If on the other hand, someone types in the name of a Traffic Exchange, and participates in that site's function - viewing ads - they will be shown a JustBeenPaid ad without specifically having asked to see it. They may well go to that Traffic Exchange to exchange traffic views of their own site (which may even be for a legitimate product or service) for views of others' sites. They may well assume that those other sites are adverts for legitimate businesses and follow them because they found them on your Traffic Exchange. As Traffic Exchanges, per se are legitimate businesses, the implication could well be that the adverts they accept are also legitimate.

The only comparison with Google that I can see at all, is their acceptance of fraudulent schemes' business (and money) for Google Adwords. THAT is a major clean up area that Google should certainly be dealing with. It certainly causes problems for anti scam sites and their readers if they use them.

path2prosperity
05-24-2012, 06:29 PM
I brought up the issue of ILoveHits when I saw that Kathleen VanBeenkom recommended it as a place to advertise her EZ scams. I mentioned it in post 563 in This RS Thread (http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit-ez-wealth-solution-kathleen-vanbeekom-promoter-533/index23.html#post19533).

Jon did run an ethical traffic exchange in 2003 when I joined. He was one of the few who would not allow any autosurf programs to advertise there. I used to read his Hit Exchange News which was a genuine attempt to keep traffic exchanges respectable. I was the one who contacted Jon to ask if he approved of Katleen's bad public relations for his exchange.

ILoveHits has evolved into an exchange which allows programs like EZ and JBP to advertise and affiliates like VanBeenkom to bring his exchange into disrepute.

It is up to Jon. If he does not improve the image and ethics of ILoveHits, it will deteriorate into an Adlandpro type sewer with sewer rats like VanBeenkom promoting his name on every public forum on the net.

path2prosperity
05-24-2012, 06:44 PM
LOL You are on quite the witch hunt...

YES, I have HEARD of ad land pro.

No I do not know why everyone hates it or any of the drama that you guys have going on....



We object to the fact that they promote hard porn and ridiculous get rich schemes there Jon. We also object to the fact that the allow cyber bullies to try and destroy members here. Our "scratchy" has been the target of notorious cyber bullies like Jim Allen and Peter Fogel on Adlandpro. She has had the courage to stand up to these people and I hope that you do not ever sink to the level of Adlandpro.

Jon Olson
05-24-2012, 09:09 PM
Bullies?

Some of you guys are the real bullies, you just don't see it.

Your efforts to rid the world of scams are legit and I applaud it, but you throw people under the bus because we get MENTIONED in ad land pro....I don't care of ad land pro, so because I get mentioned there, all of a sudden ILH and TimTech 'supports' it? LOLOL Think about that...Seriously.

You just tried to throw an ex-TimTech program AdKreator under the bus too...Some of you guys are the biggest bullies I have seen in quite some time. It's a shame, because I do honestly think you mean well...

But you are fighting the wrong people. I'm not your enemy and neither are my websites and company.

path2prosperity
05-24-2012, 09:32 PM
Bullies?

Some of you guys are the real bullies, you just don't see it.

Your efforts to rid the world of scams are legit and I applaud it, but you throw people under the bus because we get MENTIONED in ad land pro....I don't care of ad land pro, so because I get mentioned there, all of a sudden ILH and TimTech 'supports' it? LOLOL Think about that...Seriously.

You just tried to throw an ex-TimTech program AdKreator under the bus too...Some of you guys are the biggest bullies I have seen in quite some time. It's a shame, because I do honestly think you mean well...

But you are fighting the wrong people. I'm not your enemy and neither are my websites and company.

Nobody is trying to throw your business under a bus Jon. I was the one who said that you ran an ethical traffic exchange. You decided not to remove advertisements from JustBeenPaid and that was your decision. I think you made a big mistake by not doing so. I am not going to change that opinion.

I did not attempt to throw AdKreator under a bus. I have the greatest respect for the new owner and I admire her work. I asked if it was run by an ethical business woman and the consensus of opinion at this stage is, that it is.

Traffic exchanges have to change with the times. You will get criticized for allowing Fred Mann to advertise cons on ILH. You could make some attempt to rectify that situation and gain more respect here.

scratchycat
05-25-2012, 02:31 PM
Seems like I am getting late on this one, had to order new equipment for wireless connect. As far as Jon Olson, I have no knowledge. This is the first I have heard of Tim Tech in this forum. P2P has been involved in this type dd for a long time and knows a lot of the players. The only thing I will say is if you allow/permit Kathleen Vanbeekom to use your name and companies for her profit in the schemes she promotes, you will be allowing yourself to be lowered to her level. There is no personal vindication here just an awareness of several years online acquaintance with same.

With all due respect to you and affiliates, I KNOW that I do not want my name nor my company being associated in any positive way with Adlandpro. I do try to keep others informed and help fight bullies. There are some strong ways here of dealing with scammers. I do not judge and just try to keep MY way of fighting scam and fraud. I am sure you can ask KCV about us ex-members and she can fill you in with pages of lies, she is very good at that.

You help promote JBP and JSSTripler?? Whoops!

path2prosperity
05-25-2012, 04:06 PM
Jon Olson allows Just Been Paid and Fred Mann's other programs in his rotation. Would Jon allow me or any others RS member, who wishes to give his traffic exchange a try, allow RS to appear in the ILoveHits rotation?

path2prosperity
05-25-2012, 04:29 PM
Seems like I am getting late on this one, had to order new equipment for wireless connect. As far as Jon Olson, I have no knowledge. This is the first I have heard of Tim Tech in this forum. P2P has been involved in this type dd for a long time and knows a lot of the players. The only thing I will say is if you allow/permit Kathleen Vanbeekom to use your name and companies for her profit in the schemes she promotes, you will be allowing yourself to be lowered to her level. There is no personal vindication here just an awareness of several years online acquaintance with same.

With all due respect to you and affiliates, I KNOW that I do not want my name nor my company being associated in any positive way with Adlandpro. I do try to keep others informed and help fight bullies. There are some strong ways here of dealing with scammers. I do not judge and just try to keep MY way of fighting scam and fraud. I am sure you can ask KCV about us ex-members and she can fill you in with pages of lies, she is very good at that.

You help promote JBP and JSSTripler?? Whoops!

I learned about Jon Olson's ILoveHits traffic exchange and Adlandpro Traffic exchange from the same source "scratchy." They were both recommended by one of the "Internet Marketing Gurus" in the 2002/2003 era, Michael Russel who created a program that he called The Massive Passive Advertising Machine. MPAM. I gave his methods a try but it required one to spend hours sending out mass produced sales spiel to an untargeted audience. I soon lost interest.

My first impressions of Adlandpro was good because I met some great "Internet Friends" who promoted real products like your artwork and proper services like web hosting but Adlandpro went rotten, as we both know. I liked Jon Olson's ILoveHits traffic exchange in those days as he was selective about sites which he allowed in the rotation. He provided good customer support and appeared to be a leader in the field.

Kathleen VanBeenkom has placed Jon's ILoveHits and his traffic exchange consortium (TimTech) above the radar. He tells us that Adlandpro Traffic Excahange is not part of TimTech but Kathleen assures us that it is. Kathleen has also placed another of Jon's TimTech sites (AdKreator) above the radar by stating that it has been bought by an Adlandpro member, Barbara DelGiudice.

I do not think that Jon or Barbara are likely to be very happy with Kathleen at present.

Whip
05-25-2012, 05:09 PM
I learned about Jon Olson's ILoveHits traffic exchange and Adlandpro Traffic exchange from the same source "scratchy." They were both recommended by one of the "Internet Marketing Gurus" in the 2002/2003 era, Michael Russel who created a program that he called The Massive Passive Advertising Machine. MPAM. I gave his methods a try but it required one to spend hours sending out mass produced sales spiel to an untargeted audience. I soon lost interest.

My first impressions of Adlandpro was good because I met some great "Internet Friends" who promoted real products like your artwork and proper services like web hosting but Adlandpro went rotten, as we both know. I liked Jon Olson's ILoveHits traffic exchange in those days as he was selective about sites which he allowed in the rotation. He provided good customer support and appeared to be a leader in the field.

Kathleen VanBeenkom has placed Jon's ILoveHits and his traffic exchange consortium (TimTech) above the radar. He tells us that Adlandpro Traffic Excahange is not part of TimTech but Kathleen assures us that it is. Kathleen has also placed another of Jon's TimTech sites (AdKreator) above the radar by stating that it has been bought by an Adlandpro member, Barbara DelGiudice.

I do not think that Jon or Barbara are likely to be very happy with Kathleen at present.
Let's call it what it truly is: Shoddy Passive Advertising Machine or SPAM!

path2prosperity
05-25-2012, 06:06 PM
Let's call it what it truly is: Shoddy Passive Advertising Machine or SPAM!

That was funny and clever "whip". It was exactly what it was, lessons in "Internet Marketing" which i very soon discovered was synonymous with spamming.

Apparently MPAM closed and according to a post in this thread, most of the members assembled at "Affiliate Funnel." When I was sent an invitation to join that, I was horrified to see a free gift of software to cheat traffic exchanges offered on it's home page.

I am rather curious to know what came of Michael Russel the founder of MPAM.

scratchycat
05-26-2012, 12:20 PM
I learned about Jon Olson's ILoveHits traffic exchange and Adlandpro Traffic exchange from the same source "scratchy." They were both recommended by one of the "Internet Marketing Gurus" in the 2002/2003 era, Michael Russel who created a program that he called The Massive Passive Advertising Machine. MPAM. I gave his methods a try but it required one to spend hours sending out mass produced sales spiel to an untargeted audience. I soon lost interest.

My first impressions of Adlandpro was good because I met some great "Internet Friends" who promoted real products like your artwork and proper services like web hosting but Adlandpro went rotten, as we both know. I liked Jon Olson's ILoveHits traffic exchange in those days as he was selective about sites which he allowed in the rotation. He provided good customer support and appeared to be a leader in the field.

Kathleen VanBeenkom has placed Jon's ILoveHits and his traffic exchange consortium (TimTech) above the radar. He tells us that Adlandpro Traffic Excahange is not part of TimTech but Kathleen assures us that it is. Kathleen has also placed another of Jon's TimTech sites (AdKreator) above the radar by stating that it has been bought by an Adlandpro member, Barbara DelGiudice.

I do not think that Jon or Barbara are likely to be very happy with Kathleen at present.

OMG!! I am sure it was purchased as a legitimate business for Barbara. Now Kathleen is going to use it to spam more of her scams. :(

She has been hard at work on it also:

STUNNING NEWS: Adlandpro Member Purchased AdKreator! | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2536272/STUNNING-NEWS-Adlandpro-Member-Purchased-AdKreator.aspx?flag=4)

scratchycat
05-26-2012, 12:36 PM
Even the TimTech guys know Adlandpro is legendary, and anyone who doesn't like Adlandpro or doesn't recognize the greatness here, doesn't know what they're talking about...RS and the haters there don't know what they're talking about, regarding ANYTHING in online marketing. If they DID, they wouldn't be at RS, they'd be somewhere where they're taken seriously and gaining some serious recognition using their REAL NAMES.

The RealScummers are at it again | View Thread | AdlandPro Community (http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2530444/The-RealScummers-are-at-it-again/1.aspx)

In case Jon needs to read the exact quote.

I was over there for a minute and now she is taking up the 10 Commandments. Next she will be preaching and quoting Scripture - at least I hope, so maybe some of it will ring through to her. Like "Thy shall not steal."

scratchycat
05-26-2012, 12:38 PM
Their feeble attempts last year to bash EZ Wealth Solution just made it get stronger, it's still going stronger than ever, and now with their attacks on TT, the haters at RS have just buried themselves because the entire marketing community knows TT is outstanding. All RS has accomplished is make itself look completely idiotic, again, but we already knew that.

We are Haters just because we try to expose her scams?? Poor thing. :crying_2:

scratchycat
05-26-2012, 12:49 PM
Hope you RS members caught all this!!! What do you think about her latest bashing of RealScam!!?? :shocked:


RE: The RealScummers are at it again

4/27/2012 2:14:30 PM




Jim,

What the RS people don't realize is, the TimTech-ers are for REAL and operate their businesses with the utmost ethics, and have 100,000's of loyal daily clients worldwide, and we can all use all their services for FREE. Jon wasn't happy about the RS crud, he walks the walk of a Christian person, he's an oak tree.

"Now she is speaking FOR Jon Olson. by Scratchy


That's what the RS people don't get because none of them are rock-solid, they don't use photos or make videos of themselves or show themselves for who they are. They just sit around making stuff up, the entire "scam-discussion" industry is a cesspool of nobodies. They try to make an "industry" based on bashing marketing, as if they want marketing to disappear, but if it did, if we stopped marketing, they'd have nothing to do. Their entire little online life is based on the hard work of motivated people, that's the irony of it, they are trying to drag down the real industry on which they base their own fake industry.




Do you see any scam-discussion sites posting commission reports? No. Do you see any scam-discussers speaking on video? No. Do you see anyone earning high 5 to 6 figures as a scam-discusser? No. Do you see any training on how to be a scam-discusser? No. Because it's not even a real thing. The people don't want to BE REAL, so how do they expect to be taken seriously? They're not.


are rock-solid, they don't use photos or make videos of themselves or show themselves for who they are
:RpS_lol::RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

She forgot about Festa!!!

scratchycat
05-26-2012, 01:07 PM
Bullies?

Some of you guys are the real bullies, you just don't see it.

Your efforts to rid the world of scams are legit and I applaud it, but you throw people under the bus because we get MENTIONED in ad land pro....I don't care of ad land pro, so because I get mentioned there, all of a sudden ILH and TimTech 'supports' it? LOLOL Think about that...Seriously.

You just tried to throw an ex-TimTech program AdKreator under the bus too...Some of you guys are the biggest bullies I have seen in quite some time. It's a shame, because I do honestly think you mean well...

But you are fighting the wrong people. I'm not your enemy and neither are my websites and company.

Kathleen has announced in her forum who the new owner of AdKreator is and I wonder if she is happy to be associated with KCV's promotion.

A New Milestone For TimTech | Hit Exchange News (http://www.hitexchangenews.com/news/a-new-milestone-for-timtech/)

I visited this site and found something interesting...

Barb is and has been an online friend for several years and I believe a good person. She does not seem to be one who would approve of scam of any type.

Digital Products Business News (http://digital-products-biz.blogspot.com/)


Predictions for 2012

As consumers become more aware of risks, especially online, crooks are turning to more sophisticated technology to steal information from places over which we have no control and to target vulnerable groups like seniors.

The older age group are particularly at risk from scams on the Internet because they represent possibly the fastest-growing section of users. Most other age groups have been online for years and, with the exception of very young users, are tuned in to many of the security risks. Not so with older folk.

One worrying trend that will help keep ID theft at the head of the top scams list is the growth in data breaches -- loss of personal information over which we have no control. For more on this, see our earlier report, What to Do If You're a Data Breach Victim.

Against that background, here's our top scams forecast for 2012.


10. Travel scams. Timeshare schemes will be with us of course, but look out for a surge in free flight and vacation scams -- telephone and snail-mail offers front-loaded with service charges. After you pay, you find the offer has expired. The London 2012 Olympics likely will also be a magnet for ticket scams.

9. Money-for-nothing scams. This is our new catch-all label for doorstep and charity scams. You pay money to a charity collector -- on your doorstep, in the mall or online -- often after a natural disaster, but your cash ends up in the collector's pocket. Also on your doorstep: bogus and crooked contractors who take your money for work you didn't need or which they don't bother to do.

8. Economy-related scams. Times are still uncertain, but other, more lucrative scams will likely push this group of con tricks that includes bogus job schemes further down our top 10 scams list. Foreclosure scams might start to cool off but other fee-laden loan modification and bogus grant tricks will persist.

7. Investment scams. We haven't seen the end of crooked Ponzi schemes yet, and with low interest rates, high precious metal prices and turbulent markets, scammers have latched on to gold, copper and currency trading as a lure to investors. Anything that pushes up oil prices will also boost bogus energy-saving products.

6. Lottery scams. Despite stacks of media publicity and tragic reports of huge financial losses, people continue to be hoodwinked by emails and letters saying they've won a fortune on a lottery. Scammers use celebrity or official-sounding names to make their claims more credible and keep lotteries at the halfway point in our top scams list. Once a victim is hooked with a small initial "processing" payment, the scammers just keep coming back for more.

5. Skimming and ATM scams. We've broadened this top 10 scams category slightly to include tricks that not only steal card information but also block ATMs from paying out. The crook returns to take your money after you've left to complain. This crime is seriously on the rise because it's so easy. See this earlier report, ATM Theft: 8 Tips to Protect Yourself From the 5 Most Common ATM Scams.

4. Nigerian scams. Well, what do you know... now that everyone knows they haven't inherited a fortune, Nigerian scammers have plunged into the lonely-hearts market to make up for lost "business." They frequent online dating agencies, especially targeting older age groups, but also send out emails on-spec, claiming to have fallen for their victims (whom they've never seen!). Romance ensues, followed by a request for money for an air ticket. This and ongoing advance fee scams will push this scam back up our top scams chart.

3. Internet sales. Scammers will try to keep one step ahead of law enforcement and security software, especially with scam shopping websites. These tricks also include bogus shopping comparison sites that pretend to be giving impartial reviews, phony online pharmacies, and "free trial" sites that trick victims into unwittingly signing up for recurring credit card or cell phone charges.

2. Malware. Law enforcement agencies and software companies have been moderately successful in shutting down botnets, used for spamming, and fake anti-virus alerts that trick victims into paying to supposedly secure their PCs. But the scale of the malware industry is phenomenal. Add in the "gray" area of adware we unknowingly allow to install on our PCs, and we can't see any chance of this PC hijacking moving down our top scams rankings.

1. Phishing and identity theft. As we said earlier, our biggest concern is the amount of information hackers have shown themselves capable of stealing by breaking into the networks of firms that hold our personal records. We think this will continue to grow, along with persistent attempts to capture our confidential information through phishing tricks via spoof sites, emails and cell phone text messages.

What our annual list of top scams shows is that crooks continuously change and refine their techniques in their efforts to outwit us all. No doubt they will continue to do so but the decline in identity theft crime gives us some hope that perhaps advances in security technology or just plain user wariness can help protect us.

It's probably too much to hope that we can ever turn the tide against the scammers but by knowing what the top scams are, you can at least reduce your chance of becoming a victim.

That's all we have for today, but we'll be back next week with another issue. See you then!


ID Theft and Malware Head Up Top Scams List (http://www.scambusters.org/topscams3.html)

Does this sound like a person who would like to be associated with Kathleen's "programs"??

scratchycat
05-27-2012, 02:07 PM
These 2 seem involved in many different things... You decide:

Tim Linden - Pipl Directory (http://pipl.com/directory/name/Linden/Tim/)


Its creators Jon Olson, Tim Linden and Austin Hallock really seem to ... Two of the partners, Jon Olson and Tim Linden, are also promoting the newly launched IM ... [ Free Traffic Exchanges " Blog Archive " Sweeva Revisited - free-traffic-exchange.net ]

okosh
05-27-2012, 05:33 PM
Bullies?

Some of you guys are the real bullies, you just don't see it.

Your efforts to rid the world of scams are legit and I applaud it, but you throw people under the bus because we get MENTIONED in ad land pro....I don't care of ad land pro, so because I get mentioned there, all of a sudden ILH and TimTech 'supports' it? LOLOL Think about that...Seriously.

You just tried to throw an ex-TimTech program AdKreator under the bus too...Some of you guys are the biggest bullies I have seen in quite some time. It's a shame, because I do honestly think you mean well...

But you are fighting the wrong people. I'm not your enemy and neither are my websites and company.

I for one don't buy your claim that you can't weed out the scams in the surf rotation......You could if you wanted to but you don't cos without them you got nothing left....

Simple way to weed them out is to charge a small fee to add a site to the rotation....B4 a site is added it would have to be verified as legit....
The small fee would more then cover the wage of a person employed to verify each site....

path2prosperity
05-27-2012, 05:53 PM
I for one don't buy your claim that you can't weed out the scams in the surf rotation......You could if you wanted to but you don't cos without them you got nothing left....


Of course he could weed out scams in the rotation if he wanted to. The reason that I say this, is because he used to do it when I was a member in 2003.

Okosh makes the point very clear. If he weeded out the scams, what would he have left? I will try surfing again to see if I can spot a single site that offers anything of value.

Whip
05-27-2012, 07:08 PM
Their feeble attempts last year to bash EZ Wealth Solution just made it get stronger, it's still going stronger than ever, and now with their attacks on TT, the haters at RS have just buried themselves because the entire marketing community knows TT is outstanding. All RS has accomplished is make itself look completely idiotic, again, but we already knew that.

Want to try that one again? This time without the proven lie? if 107 dollars a month is somehow 'stronger' after all this time.......

scratchycat
05-27-2012, 08:03 PM
It all sounds a lot like Scamlandpro. Just my opinion after looking into only a few of these.

okosh
05-27-2012, 08:54 PM
Of course he could weed out scams in the rotation if he wanted to. The reason that I say this, is because he used to do it when I was a member in 2003.

Okosh makes the point very clear. If he weeded out the scams, what would he have left? I will try surfing again to see if I can spot a single site that offers anything of value.

This is the bit I don't understand.....If the whole point is not to recruit others into the traffic exchange in the hope that they either pay the monthly fee or surf and then join the scams advertised in the rotation then what's the point of a traffic exchange??...
Or is a traffic exchange just a place where reff whores pay a monthly fee to advertise their pet scams in the rotation??....

Unless I'm missing something here then it would seem that this "legit business" that Jon says he's running is nothing more then a site that promotes and enables scams to thrive....

Please let me know if I got this wrong....))

path2prosperity
05-28-2012, 02:07 AM
Unless I'm missing something here then it would seem that this "legit business" that Jon says he's running is nothing more then a site that promotes and enables scams to thrive....



That is what I see "okosh." I will surf again today and see if I can spot a single page which is not a splash page for some nefarious deal.

okosh
05-28-2012, 02:26 AM
That is what I see "okosh." I will surf again today and see if I can spot a single page which is not a splash page for some nefarious deal.

So is that the only way to "earn" from these traffic exchangers??.....Doesn't sound like a legit business....Looks like Jon is running a pure scam...

Vern Chumbley
05-28-2012, 04:14 AM
I must Reply to Robert Puddy!

Hit That NAIL on the HEAD!

Sitting on FAT asses, playing games, getting houses paid for....

RELYING on Newbies and Followers of BS!
To sit on FAT Asses, playing games, paying bills, etc...

I Do have 1 Question for Everyone?

If TimTech worked SOOOOOOOOOO well, WHY don't
they have 500,000 Members in any 1 program.

Obviously it doesn't work.

Been Online since, when, 2001, and still can't Recruit anything
Except Your Money.

I'm Smiley from SmileyTraffic.com

Vern Chumbley
05-28-2012, 04:42 AM
Robert has Picked Up On What I've Been Saying For Years!

Members Are Not STUPID!

scratchycat
05-28-2012, 11:00 AM
I must Reply to Robert Puddy!

Hit That NAIL on the HEAD!

Sitting on FAT asses, playing games, getting houses paid for....

RELYING on Newbies and Followers of BS!
To sit on FAT Asses, playing games, paying bills, etc...

I Do have 1 Question for Everyone?

If TimTech worked SOOOOOOOOOO well, WHY don't
they have 500,000 Members in any 1 program.

Obviously it doesn't work.

Been Online since, when, 2001, and still can't Recruit anything
Except Your Money.

I'm Smiley from SmileyTraffic.com

Hello Vern and welcome to Real Scam! Thanks for posting your information.

path2prosperity
05-28-2012, 01:55 PM
I surfed thirty sites and saw three different splash pages for JustBeenPaid JSSTrippler. The rest were splash pages for other traffic exchanges. I am sure that nobody other than a complete idiot is going to surf this sort of crap manually. Members who earn big credits by surfing must surf about ten of these excanges in a multiple browser while they are reading a book, watching TV or watching paint dry.

I am sorry that hit exchanges have deteriorated tto this level. The advent of multiple browsers has ensured the fall of this "industry."

PaulCoonan
05-28-2012, 07:52 PM
I am not one to typically get involved in petty drama, but as the owner of a site mentioned in your Kathleen flame, I felt the need to share my observations and personal experience.

First of all, I am Paul Coonan. I own vTraffiRush. In reading what is being spewed by a couple people here, I can clearly see there is a lack of very basic investigation, which leads to blatant disregard for the facts. My site is not affiliated with a "proclaimed" scam site reported in this forum, attached to a person named Tom Green. Never heard of the guy and I have no partners in anything I do anyway. I resent the fact of my site being labeled a scam without even being looked at, and mostly on the basis of one particular person promoting it. The quotes that were pulled form Kathleen's blog where direct quotes from me personally, my words, word for word.

I understand the desire to rid the net of scams, although a futile effort it is. I tried to make a difference, just like a couple people here. In 2000-2003 I had and ran iSAAF.com, Internet Surfers Alliance Against Fraud. I, with many willing people who has also been burned, became IM watchdogs. I even used to have direct communication with Peter Thiel, former founding partner of PayPal and now philanthropist billionaire. Pete used to frequent my site, mainly looking for the sites that were finding ways to exploit PayPal. In fact, I used to report directly to him when I came across a new PayPal scam.

One thing I learned in my crusade was to be careful who I pointed a finger at, because you have no idea who they truly are. Don't take this as threat, that is not the intent. I am only sharing what happened to me. Pointing a finger at the wrong site/person has it's costs, but even worse, as I learned, you can point a finger at the right site/person, a true scammer, and find your life changed. I uncovered someone. In a nutshell, I ended up getting escorted out of my Microsoft Office by security. Full domains were taken out and used against me where I was personally libeled and slandered to a degree that it cost me my future wife at the time. Trying to get a job in that industry after that was nearly impossible if my name was searched online. I lost a career and a family.

I don't know what the beef is with Kathleen, nor do I care to hear it. But I will say this. If you don't like what she promotes, you may as well be getting the names and social connections of the 10's of 1,000's of people that promote the very same sites.

If you go to the grocery store and get some blueberries, take them home and choke on one, there are a couple people here that I could see going to the government to get blueberries outlawed. On top of that, I could see a couple people here also taking out a web site or going to a forum to personally slander and flame the store manager, and even the cashier simply for allowing the blueberries to be in the store.

Point is, people choke on blueberries everyday. In fact, there a many who die every year by choking on blueberries. But, the store owners will never take them out of their stores. Customers who want them have plenty other stores they could go to. The government would never ban them from being stores. They believe people are smart enough to be careful when eating blueberries and any problems with blueberries, the people would learn and share their experiences.

If you don't want to see scam sites in the internet anymore, best to just quit marketing. The ratio of real opportunities vs scams has never changed in the last 13 years.

In internet marketing, there are those who wallow in self-pity and blame others for their failures, and then there are those who get back up, brush themselves off and continue on with a better vision of what not to do. They also realize it was their own fault if they got scammed. For many, that is the dues that have to be paid to one day be successful.

It is impossible to filter/police all sites on traffic exchanges because there are endless ways to get around a domain being banned. I agree with Jon that the only real way to curb the scam sites is by educating people. Even with education, many people still have to learn for themselves. Overall, scam/illegal sites will never go away, just like drugs coming in from Mexico.

Overall, don't let your crusade hurt you or family, as it did mine, and you should avoid hurting others especially those who are not the scam site owners, but merely innocent members.

okosh
05-29-2012, 01:22 AM
Here is the latest poop from honest Jon and his scam exchange....

Interesting address at the bottom....Didn't Jon say he's in Canada???....



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path2prosperity
05-29-2012, 02:14 AM
I don't know what the beef is with Kathleen, nor do I care to hear it.


Have you ever heard of the ostrich who hides it's head in the sand? People like Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Jill Backman, Maurice Bernier and Vanbeenkom are serial fraud promoters. We do not point the finger at those who have not promoted known scams ad nauseum.

path2prosperity
05-29-2012, 02:38 AM
I

It is impossible to filter/police all sites on traffic exchanges because there are endless ways to get around a domain being banned. I agree with Jon that the only real way to curb the scam sites is by educating people. Even with education, many people still have to learn for themselves. Overall, scam/illegal sites will never go away, just like drugs coming in from Mexico.



You have a few points right Paul.

Crime is, always has been and always will be the largest growth industry on the planet. Crime prevention is the second largest but the gap between the two is closing faster than ever before.

Empires rise and Empires fall, they are evolving systems. Jon Olson started out with good intentions but the advent of multi tabbed browsers has been the death warrent for first generation manual traffic exchanges. Jon has been defeated by an abstract enemy which is "the rate of change." He can choose to whine or he can go back to the drawing board and use his expertise to develop a new genre of traffic exchanges that are adapted to weed out scams in the age of multibrowsers. If he does not do it another person will and he will loose out on any momentum which he had in the traffic exchange "industry"

Success in business is not unlike the game of snakes and ladders. John has been eaten by the snake when he was climbing the ladder. Hard cheese but it happens to a lot of us. He could build on his bad experience if he has enough "spherical objects."

path2prosperity
05-29-2012, 02:44 AM
Here is the latest poop from honest Jon and his scam exchange....

Interesting address at the bottom....Didn't Jon say he's in Canada???....

Well done you "Okosh." Keep the guy above the radar. RS has given him an opportunity to use his brains and admit his past mistakes. If he tries to crawl under a stone with the rest of the cyberspace scum, he is a complete idiot. If he goes back to the drawing board and produces something new for traffic exchanges, he will get some recognition and a highly commended badge from me and others here.

littleroundman
05-29-2012, 02:51 AM
I understand the desire to rid the net of scams, although a futile effort it is.

Which is why nobody here on REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) has "ridding the net of scams" as his/her objective.

In fact, we make our intent very clear in our logo:

http://www.realscam.com/images/misc/realscam-logo1.gif

There is no element of compulsion attached to reading or becoming a member of the forum.

We don't claim to be the biggest or best and none of us wear our tights on the outside of our leotards and leap tall buildings at a single bound.

Having said that, collectively we view traffic exchanges as shady at best and downright fraudulent in many instances.

If people want to play in the shadows, either running or participating in traffic exchanges, as long as they're fully informed, it's down to them.

path2prosperity
05-29-2012, 03:00 AM
Which is why nobody here on REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) has "ridding the net of scams" as his/her objective.



Exactly LRM. If an evolving system expands too quickly natural evolution throws the system into chaos. If it expands too slowly it withers and dies without prodgeny. We can not do anything to effect the rate of change in evolving systems but we can state that well policed manual traffic exchanges appear to be a dying species.

scratchycat
05-29-2012, 09:19 AM
First of all, I am Paul Coonan. I own vTraffiRush. In reading what is being spewed by a couple people here, I can clearly see there is a lack of very basic investigation, which leads to blatant disregard for the facts. My site is not affiliated with a "proclaimed" scam site reported in this forum, attached to a person named Tom Green. Never heard of the guy and I have no partners in anything I do anyway. I resent the fact of my site being labeled a scam without even being looked at, and mostly on the basis of one particular person promoting it. The quotes that were pulled form Kathleen's blog where direct quotes from me personally, my words, word for word.

Hello Paul. Welcome. You seem intent on 'a couple of people here', since there are several members commenting here I wondered exactly what that meant. If your site was in something copied from KCV's blog or statements, it would be questioned to say the least. Most, if not all of what she spouts would be under suspicion based on facts versus hype. Anything posted here is 'for you to decide'. If your exchange is being used by her to promote her pyramid, scam and fraud - well, you decide.

scratchycat
05-29-2012, 09:33 AM
I am not one to typically get involved in petty drama, but as the owner of a site mentioned in your Kathleen flame, I felt the need to share my observations and personal experience.

First of all, I am Paul Coonan. I own vTraffiRush. In reading what is being spewed by a couple people here, I can clearly see there is a lack of very basic investigation, which leads to blatant disregard for the facts. My site is not affiliated with a "proclaimed" scam site reported in this forum, attached to a person named Tom Green. Never heard of the guy and I have no partners in anything I do anyway. I resent the fact of my site being labeled a scam without even being looked at, and mostly on the basis of one particular person promoting it. The quotes that were pulled form Kathleen's blog where direct quotes from me personally, my words, word for word.

I understand the desire to rid the net of scams, although a futile effort it is. I tried to make a difference, just like a couple people here. In 2000-2003 I had and ran iSAAF.com, Internet Surfers Alliance Against Fraud. I, with many willing people who has also been burned, became IM watchdogs. I even used to have direct communication with Peter Thiel, former founding partner of PayPal and now philanthropist billionaire. Pete used to frequent my site, mainly looking for the sites that were finding ways to exploit PayPal. In fact, I used to report directly to him when I came across a new PayPal scam.

One thing I learned in my crusade was to be careful who I pointed a finger at, because you have no idea who they truly are. Don't take this as threat, that is not the intent. I am only sharing what happened to me. Pointing a finger at the wrong site/person has it's costs, but even worse, as I learned, you can point a finger at the right site/person, a true scammer, and find your life changed. I uncovered someone. In a nutshell, I ended up getting escorted out of my Microsoft Office by security. Full domains were taken out and used against me where I was personally libeled and slandered to a degree that it cost me my future wife at the time. Trying to get a job in that industry after that was nearly impossible if my name was searched online. I lost a career and a family.

I don't know what the beef is with Kathleen, nor do I care to hear it. But I will say this. If you don't like what she promotes, you may as well be getting the names and social connections of the 10's of 1,000's of people that promote the very same sites.

If you go to the grocery store and get some blueberries, take them home and choke on one, there are a couple people here that I could see going to the government to get blueberries outlawed. On top of that, I could see a couple people here also taking out a web site or going to a forum to personally slander and flame the store manager, and even the cashier simply for allowing the blueberries to be in the store.

Point is, people choke on blueberries everyday. In fact, there a many who die every year by choking on blueberries. But, the store owners will never take them out of their stores. Customers who want them have plenty other stores they could go to. The government would never ban them from being stores. They believe people are smart enough to be careful when eating blueberries and any problems with blueberries, the people would learn and share their experiences.

If you don't want to see scam sites in the internet anymore, best to just quit marketing. The ratio of real opportunities vs scams has never changed in the last 13 years.

In internet marketing, there are those who wallow in self-pity and blame others for their failures, and then there are those who get back up, brush themselves off and continue on with a better vision of what not to do. They also realize it was their own fault if they got scammed. For many, that is the dues that have to be paid to one day be successful.

It is impossible to filter/police all sites on traffic exchanges because there are endless ways to get around a domain being banned. I agree with Jon that the only real way to curb the scam sites is by educating people. Even with education, many people still have to learn for themselves. Overall, scam/illegal sites will never go away, just like drugs coming in from Mexico.

Overall, don't let your crusade hurt you or family, as it did mine, and you should avoid hurting others especially those who are not the scam site owners, but merely innocent members.

I am sorry to hear that your endeavours to fight crime came to a bad end. Does it mean if you can't beat them, join them? No, we are doing little more than making a small splash in the very large pond but in the long run it is worth it. Just to call attention to one person before they jump on that hyped up band wagon with promises of fortunes and lose what little money they had to some top leaders in a pyramid scheme - that makes a difference. A friend of mine thanked me and members of RS for making others aware of these scams. She said she would have fallen for them. She is not alone. So maybe in our efforts here we are reaching more people than you or anyone is aware of including those of us who dig for the dirt behind the false and spiced up claims to 'getting rich overnight'.

I have read through your statement and it comes through to me that you just might have been given some information from some it would be best not to trust. IMO

It is always good to hear other opinions and maybe you can tell us more about your company and if it would be a good place for a legitimate business to advertise.

path2prosperity
05-29-2012, 02:14 PM
I logged in to surf ILoveHits and found the first thing to hit me in the gob was this text.

Hi Surfer
Just Been Paid Now With Over 800,000 Members And Growing Steadily. You get paid 2% Monday To Friday And 1.5% On Weekends. They Even Give You $10 To Test The Waters. YES THATS RIGHT $10 TO GIVE THEM A TRY.Cool
JustBeenPaid (http://adv.justbeenpaid.com/?r=hNg4waiF8F&s=logogirl)

path2prosperity
05-29-2012, 02:21 PM
I surfed a few pages and then came to SFI. members of RS have been asking about SFI and it's origins for some time perhaps Jon can tell us a little more about this outfit which he allows to advertise.

SixFigureIncome (https://www.sfimg.com/Reference/AboutSFI_pre)

PaulCoonan
05-29-2012, 03:31 PM
Have you ever heard of the ostrich who hides it's head in the sand? People like Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Jill Backman, Maurice Bernier and Vanbeenkom are serial fraud promoters. We do not point the finger at those who have not promoted known scams ad nauseum.


If you are going to attack people for promoting what some may deem as "known" scams, you need to add at least 50,000 other people to your attack list.

PaulCoonan
05-29-2012, 03:46 PM
You have a few points right Paul.

Crime is, always has been and always will be the largest growth industry on the planet. Crime prevention is the second largest but the gap between the two is closing faster than ever before.

Empires rise and Empires fall, they are evolving systems. Jon Olson started out with good intentions but the advent of multi tabbed browsers has been the death warrent for first generation manual traffic exchanges. Jon has been defeated by an abstract enemy which is "the rate of change." He can choose to whine or he can go back to the drawing board and use his expertise to develop a new genre of traffic exchanges that are adapted to weed out scams in the age of multibrowsers. If he does not do it another person will and he will loose out on any momentum which he had in the traffic exchange "industry"


You are disillusioned and obviously don't keep up with what is going on between Mexico and the US. The gap between prevention and the drug war, as an example, is has drastically widened and even Mexico is saying the drug war is a complete failure. In fact the US war on drugs has turned Mexico and Central America into a hell never before seen in their history.

If the crime prevention gap was closing in, sites like JBP would never have made it this far. The only thing that is expanding in the US is the prison industry, due in part to privatization of prisons. 2 major for profit prison corporations have State with deficit budgets by the balls right now as the corporations try to take over the prison industry, expanding on the for profit incarceration. While police forces are being cut, for profit prisons are hiring. Personally I do not call that a crime prevention measure, and it is far from being labeled as crime prevention growth.

As to keeping up with changes in the TE industry, I started online when there was only one traffic exchange, clickthru.net. I have watched the evolution in whole. There is very little different today. Today we have multi-tabbed browsers, but surfing has never changed, from the beginning of more than one TE in the industry to the mainstream acceptance of multi-tabbed browsers. Before multi-tabbed browsers, surfers just opened up multiple, separate browser windows to surf more than one TE at a time.

PaulCoonan
05-29-2012, 03:54 PM
Which is why nobody here on REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) has "ridding the net of scams" as his/her objective.

In fact, we make our intent very clear in our logo:

http://www.realscam.com/images/misc/realscam-logo1.gif

There is no element of compulsion attached to reading or becoming a member of the forum.

We don't claim to be the biggest or best and none of us wear our tights on the outside of our leotards and leap tall buildings at a single bound.

Having said that, collectively we view traffic exchanges as shady at best and downright fraudulent in many instances.

If people want to play in the shadows, either running or participating in traffic exchanges, as long as they're fully informed, it's down to them.

Information is key, although the comments, especially from you, appear to be quite biased, and I have already shown that you do not get your facts straight before you open your mouth, which is why I chimed in regarding my own site which you and others have labeled a scam because it is 'similar in name' to a site by an owner you have inadvertently connected me with, a person who I have never even heard of, nor do I have any partners in anything I do.

Your words are dangerous to the credibility of this forum. If anyone takes your biased, un-thoughtout, un-investigated, overly-opinionated rants with more than a grain of salt, then you have a truly ignorant following.

scratchycat
05-29-2012, 03:59 PM
If you are going to attack people for promoting what some may deem as "known" scams, you need to add at least 50,000 other people to your attack list.

Okay, 50,000 others added. Thanks.

Maybe we will take them one at a time, can you supply names?

PaulCoonan
05-29-2012, 04:03 PM
Hello Paul. Welcome. You seem intent on 'a couple of people here', since there are several members commenting here I wondered exactly what that meant. If your site was in something copied from KCV's blog or statements, it would be questioned to say the least. Most, if not all of what she spouts would be under suspicion based on facts versus hype. Anything posted here is 'for you to decide'. If your exchange is being used by her to promote her pyramid, scam and fraud - well, you decide.


I speak for myself, thank you. I will say again, if you don't like what Kathleen is promoting, you need to add at least 50,000 other people to your childish attack campaign. But maybe you are incapable of expanding beyond a handful of scapegoats that you can give a names to.

1000's of people promote my sites. The members of my sites promote all the same sites that members at Jon Olsen's site promote, in fact, all the same sites that are promoted at over 2000 different traffic sources. So why focus in on one site owner? Why focus in on one promoter?

Are my sites scam sites now as well since my members promote all the same sites that are being promoted at Jon's site and over 2000 other traffic sources? You decide! lol

PaulCoonan
05-29-2012, 04:12 PM
It is always good to hear other opinions and maybe you can tell us more about your company and if it would be a good place for a legitimate business to advertise.

My sites do not meet your criteria. My members promote all the same stuff you despise. But overall, my sites, as well as traffic exchanges, are a good place for any legitimate business to advertise. It is not like legitimate businesses get hidden behind illegitimate ones. If you choose to not advertise at a site that may also contain sites you do not like, you cut your resources down to zero. Good luck getting your sites seen, because you will have a difficult time finding a resource where all the other sites are all one you like!

PaulCoonan
05-29-2012, 04:13 PM
Okay, 50,000 others added. Thanks.

Maybe we will take them one at a time, can you supply names?

Yeah sure! Let me just hand over my list of members!

PaulCoonan
05-29-2012, 04:15 PM
Hello Paul. Welcome. You seem intent on 'a couple of people here', since there are several members commenting here I wondered exactly what that meant. If your site was in something copied from KCV's blog or statements, it would be questioned to say the least. Most, if not all of what she spouts would be under suspicion based on facts versus hype. Anything posted here is 'for you to decide'. If your exchange is being used by her to promote her pyramid, scam and fraud - well, you decide.



You know, that scardie cat avatar you use is fitting. It appeals to your paranoia!

scratchycat
05-29-2012, 04:36 PM
You know, that scardie cat avatar you use is fitting. It appeals to your paranoia!

Oh now I am paranoid! lol

It might be fair to say at this point that no legitimate business would dare to join your traffic exchanges. Why woud they? I have joined some of those things in the past and there was only one that I liked and it vanished. One day it was there, next day gone - I never knew why. I probably still have a membership with some of them from early years but I stopped participating cause we had dialup and it was painful surfing!:RpS_smile: Also, I never got anything from any of them so I found better things to do.

And make that Scratchy Cat, my claws are long but I don't want to start any cat fights with you. Just here to find out what scams are running and how to expose them, along with report them to authorities.

Yes, I have a beef with Kathleen Vanbeekom and her bully friends as they have bullied me for about 5 years now. I am a legend in Adlandpro/Scamlandpro they have many threads honoring me. :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

scratchycat
05-29-2012, 04:47 PM
Yeah sure! Let me just hand over my list of members!

Well, it was worth a try!! LOL

PaulCoonan
05-29-2012, 05:48 PM
Oh now I am paranoid! lol

It might be fair to say at this point that no legitimate business would dare to join your traffic exchanges. Why woud they? I have joined some of those things in the past and there was only one that I liked and it vanished. One day it was there, next day gone - I never knew why. I probably still have a membership with some of them from early years but I stopped participating cause we had dialup and it was painful surfing!:RpS_smile: Also, I never got anything from any of them so I found better things to do.

And make that Scratchy Cat, my claws are long but I don't want to start any cat fights with you. Just here to find out what scams are running and how to expose them, along with report them to authorities.

Yes, I have a beef with Kathleen Vanbeekom and her bully friends as they have bullied me for about 5 years now. I am a legend in Adlandpro/Scamlandpro they have many threads honoring me. :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:

What is your definition of a legitimate business? If you are referring to an online business opportunity that obeys all laws and polices, people promote legitimate business on traffic exchanges all the time.

Here is a thought... you know of a legitimate online business opportunity? Add it to a traffic exchange. Try making the world a better place from the inside out by showing people legitimate online opportunities exist.

I don't like seeing ads on tv for sex toys, penis pumps, and penis enhancement cocktails, but I don't have to buy them, and me calling up the station isn't going to get them off the air. It is something I have to live with as I watch the good stuff between the commercials, or of course I can always change the channel. Although I do not think such things should be advertised on tv, the fact is, there is no law that prevents them from being shown. At the same time, most of the commercials on tv I have no interest in, even one's that disgust me as pure propaganda like from BP telling me what a wonderful caring company they are. I know the BP ad is BS, but there is nothing I can do about getting them to tell the truth!

I guess I should just get rid of the tv... then I won't have to see any ads I don't like. I think the only way I can avoid seeing sites being promoted that I do not like is to just completely quit internet marketing.

5 years? Hold grudge much? The simplest way to end a war is for one side to make the decision to stop. The one who stops first, and leaves it alone, more often than not becomes the one that is the most respected.

Not targeting you specifically, but I think it is also important to not so loosely define a "scam." One of my own sites has been labeled here as a scam simply because the name is similar to the name of a site once or still owned by someone I never heard of. If my site is being labeled a scam on that basis, I have to wonder what sites are getting reported to authorities with no merit. That is the main reason I chimed in. I find that to be blatantly irresponsible.

FYI, from my own past experience, reports of sites to allegedly be an illegal or scam site go to the back of the line, are given no priority, often even placed in the round file. Priority is only assigned when a report from a victim arises. Once there is a victim, then there is a real crime. This is the reason JBP still exists. There are no victims, yet. They call it indefinitely sustainable, but in reality all they have done is create a system that greatly stretches out the life of the program before it dies. I will go on record to say that JBP will eventually die but I believe it will go down in history as the longest running online HYIP.

Authorities do not step in until there is a victim, and the authorities do not waste their time if it is report of $10 or $20 lost, not even $100. They don't give any priority until reports of losses reach around $5000 - $10,000. Reporting of sites to authorities based on their appearance essentially falls on deaf ears. If you are not a victim, they might take your statement as a formality, but if you are not a victim they usually will not even file a statement from you.

So, what you left with? Educating people. That is all you can do unless you are a victim. That is something I learned from my iSAAF experience, and that is where I concentrated my efforts. All the while, know the facts about a site before hastily jumping the gun and killing any credibility you may have. And be prepared to pay potential consequences. Even I was 100% right about one particular site, but it changed my life for the worse, losing a career and a family. That was when I gave up the battle I waged against windmills.

What is worse, is watching people being drawn into the light like a moth at night. You can swat that moth all you want and it will still keep trying to go to the light. Just the same, people sucked into a major HYIP like JBP, try convincing a vested member that they should not have their money there is useless. Mann is a psychology major. He is a pro at persuasion and brainwashing. You just can't wake up a JBP member. May as well break your head open against a brick wall.

path2prosperity
05-29-2012, 06:52 PM
If you are going to attack people for promoting what some may deem as "known" scams, you need to add at least 50,000 other people to your attack list.

Maybe but people like Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Jill Backman, Maurice Bernier and Vanbeenkom are serial fraud promoters who are among the best known "industry fat cats" or top in the financial predator food chain.

PaulCoonan
05-29-2012, 07:09 PM
Maybe but people like Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Jill Backman, Maurice Bernier and Vanbeenkom are serial fraud promoters who are among the best known "industry fat cats" or top in the financial predator food chain.

...top in the financial predator food chain??? You are not looking high enough!

With your logic, you may as well demonize pot smokers in the US and blame them for the brutal mass killings by the drug czars in Mexico!

littleroundman
05-29-2012, 07:17 PM
PaulCoonan = master of the strawman argument.

okosh
05-30-2012, 01:44 AM
Maybe but people like Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Jill Backman, Maurice Bernier and Vanbeenkom are serial fraud promoters who are among the best known "industry fat cats" or top in the financial predator food chain.

Now, now Judy....Is that any way to treat our guest??.....
Paul admits to running a scam exchange and he seems most keen to join the list....
So please add PaulCoonan to the list at once....

.

If you are going to attack people for promoting what some may deem as "known" scams, you need to add at least 50,000 other people to your attack list.


My sites do not meet your criteria. My members promote all the same stuff you despise. But overall, my sites, as well as traffic exchanges, are a good place for any legitimate business to advertise. It is not like legitimate businesses get hidden behind illegitimate ones. If you choose to not advertise at a site that may also contain sites you do not like, you cut your resources down to zero. Good luck getting your sites seen, because you will have a difficult time finding a resource where all the other sites are all one you like!

okosh
05-30-2012, 01:47 AM
We don't claim to be the biggest or best and none of us wear our tights on the outside of our leotards and leap tall buildings at a single bound.


I do :RpS_glare:

littleroundman
05-30-2012, 02:02 AM
The tights I can handle,

the mesh stockings not so much.

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 02:03 AM
Now, now Judy....Is that any way to treat our guest??.....
Paul admits to running a scam exchange and he seems most keen to join the list....
So please add PaulCoonan to the list at once....

.

Ignorance begins where thinking for oneself ends.

I do not run nor do I own a traffic exchange. Nor did I admit to "...running a scam..."

What I stated is that my sites do not meet your extremely loose definition of a "scam site" based on the mere fact that I allow my members to promote many of the sites some of the people here appear to despise.

Your assumptions allude to your ignorance.

Besides, based on pure ignorance, one of my sites was already labeled a scam here based on the fact that the name of one of my sites is similar to the name of another site of a "known" scammer and it was assumed that I was somehow affiliated with this guy who I never heard of.

I think we all old enough here to know what happens when one assumes something.

Live up to the name of this site and hen peck the REAL SCAMS.

okosh
05-30-2012, 02:09 AM
I do not run nor do I own a traffic exchange. Nor did I admit to "...running a scam..."

What I stated is that my sites do not meet your extremely loose definition of a "scam site" based on the mere fact that I allow my members to promote many of the sites some of the people here appear to despise.


I see you are well versed in "scammer speak"......There is nothing "loose" about how we define a scam....
If it's a pyramid...A ponzi....or outright fraud then it's a scam....

And you did confess....Here is your post again in case you forgot....


My sites do not meet your criteria. My members promote all the same stuff you despise.

littleroundman
05-30-2012, 02:30 AM
PaulCoonan, Pontius Pilate be thy name.

Sergeant Schultz is my hero:

"I hear nothing, I see nothing, I know nothing"

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 02:34 AM
I see you are well versed in "scammer speak"......There is nothing "loose" about how we define a scam....
If it's a pyramid...A ponzi....or outright fraud then it's a scam....

And you did confess....Here is your post again in case you forgot....

Oh here, let me requote your quote of my quote!


My sites do not meet your criteria.

My site that was deemed a "scam" in this forum was based on the mere fact that I allow my members to advertise sites that you do not like. That is just pure ignorance. I have an advertising site. I guess you forgot to leave that out of your LOOSE definition of a SCAM!

Why don't you start a crusade against the biggest paid to click site in the world, Clixsense, or the biggest traffic exchange in the world, EasyHits4u? They appear to fit your this forum's criteira of "scam sites" to a T! The sites you despise the most are advertised on those 2 sites 10,000+ times more than any other advertising medium you want to attack. As your crusade is concerned, why not go for the giants? REALLY!!! Why not??? The little guys and nothings you go after appear to just be something to take up your time and means nothing! Go after the big dogs who are the industry leaders and example setters and then maybe you can feel proud of what you are doing, truly proud, instead of the false pride you gain from attacking insignificant nothings!

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 02:35 AM
PaulCoonan, Pontius Pilate be thy name.

Sergeant Schultz is my hero:

"I hear nothing, I see nothing, I know nothing"

Then as an administrator of this group, you should say nothing!

littleroundman
05-30-2012, 02:49 AM
You see, Paul,

I must confess to being old school when it comes to questions of "half truths" and "errors of omission" when it comes to the language of "marketing"

For example, when a website owner says:

"I can't remove all the scams from my traffic exchange"

I immediately read that as more accurately being:

"I don't want to remove" or "I can't be bothered to remove" or "I can't make as much if I remove" or "I don't know how to remove" or, even, "I believe it's OK to make money at the expense of others"

Anything else, Paul, is simply justifying, rationalizing or laying off blame.

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 03:18 AM
You see, Paul,

I must confess to being old school when it comes to questions of "half truths" and "errors of omission" when it comes to the language of "marketing"

For example, when a website owner says:

"I can't remove all the scams from my traffic exchange"

I immediately read that as more accurately being:

"I don't want to remove" or "I can't be bothered to remove" or "I can't make as much if I remove" or "I don't know how to remove" or, even, "I believe it's OK to make money at the expense of others"

Anything else, Paul, is simply justifying, rationalizing or laying off blame.

I am old school as well and well versed and practiced in butting heads with Fox News Drones. You wanna go?

What "you read into it" is pure ignorance. You have obviously never been a site owner nor are you a programmer. As a site developer and programmer for 12 years, I can say with 100% accuracy, it is impossible to remove all sites considered or proven to be scams. If this task was a true possibility, then it would serve as a model to rid the streets of all drugs dealers. The fact remains that the czars will always find ways to get their product out.

You speak of "half truths" and "errors of omission" when in reality, you are just plain ignorant!

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 03:30 AM
You see, Paul,

I must confess to being old school when it comes to questions of "half truths" and "errors of omission" when it comes to the language of "marketing"

For example, when a website owner says:

"I can't remove all the scams from my traffic exchange"

I immediately read that as more accurately being:

"I don't want to remove" or "I can't be bothered to remove" or "I can't make as much if I remove" or "I don't know how to remove" or, even, "I believe it's OK to make money at the expense of others"

Anything else, Paul, is simply justifying, rationalizing or laying off blame.

I will say again, as far as your crusade is concerned, your efforts are futile based on the direction you take. The US thought they could end the "drug problem" by removing the users from the picture. Then the feds thought they could make a difference by removing the petty small time street dealer. They realized they needed to go after the heads, the creators of the drugs to make an impact, but even that is a failure!

Ridding the net of "scams" is no different. You can't even make a ding in the problem if you are going to demonize those who promote the sites that are illegal, especially when the people promoting them are making money! The US war on drugs serves as a perfect example of the war on internet scams. All you can do is educate. Demonizing people who promote the sites is useless. Been there, done that with the Internet Surfers Alliance Against Fraud, iSAAF.com a decade ago. Just as the war on drugs goes, as long as people are making money, it is a losing battle.

path2prosperity
05-30-2012, 04:31 AM
Now, now Judy....Is that any way to treat our guest??.....
Paul admits to running a scam exchange and he seems most keen to join the list....
So please add PaulCoonan to the list at once....

.

I have not cleaned my glasses this morning. I did a quick Google for Paul Conman and could not find anything. I may have missed the point of your message. Has somebody called Paul Conman joined RS or said anything intelleigent?

Lil Ol' Radical Me
05-30-2012, 04:33 AM
I will say again, as far as your crusade is concerned, your efforts are futile based on the direction you take. The US thought they could end the "drug problem" by removing the users from the picture. Then the feds thought they could make a difference by removing the petty small time street dealer. They realized they needed to go after the heads, the creators of the drugs to make an impact, but even that is a failure!

Ridding the net of "scams" is no different. You can't even make a ding in the problem if you are going to demonize those who promote the sites that are illegal, especially when the people promoting them are making money! The US war on drugs serves as a perfect example of the war on internet scams. All you can do is educate. Demonizing people who promote the sites is useless. Been there, done that with the Internet Surfers Alliance Against Fraud, iSAAF.com a decade ago. Just as the war on drugs goes, as long as people are making money, it is a losing battle.

First of all, IMHO, the Traffic Exchanges may well be legitimate online businesses as they offer nothing more than an exchange of click views for click views, BUT they do play a positive role in the enabling of scams, as a very large number of the sites they permit promote fraudulent operations - JustBeenPaid being only one of a multitude. As long as there is no serious vetting of sites permitted, they will continue to enable scams. Whether it is possible or, more to the point, in the interests of the TEs to control what is permitted, is another question and it seems that the "nearly anything goes" policy is the one that prevails. This is where the "shady label" justifiably gets attached to the TEs and you cannot blame people for criticitizing their policies of site approval. It is not rocket science to be able identify a ponzi or pyramid scheme after years and years on the web. Defending the innocence of a traffic exchange whilst permitting scam sites on it sounds to me like wanting to have your cake and eat it.

I believe that it is possible to excercise far more control over sites permitted on all TEs and it is a question having the will to do it or not. (On a personal note, in 2008, Tim Linden's refusal to admit AdSurfDaily onto his rotator and his warning email to his members was a very effective first wake up call to many of us who believed ASD to be a legitimate advertising business. It is and was possible and there is no reason why that kind of action can't be made automatic, in order to protect TE members.)

You are certainly right in your assertion that going after frauds can be a very risky business and is not for everyone. It is not something to be entered into lightly and everyone has to do their own risk assessment before starting to decide whether they can deal with the consequences. With the advent of the common use of the internet, the criminals of this world have turned to the web as a cleaner and easier way to steal and criminals are not nice people to deal with, especially the big ones. We disagree on the topic of the impossibility of winning the battle. Education of law enforcement is just as important as the education of the public. The latter helps people to stop joining scams and is important, but the former helps create better legislation and better enforcement. It is a job that has to be done and giving up will never change anything. For some people offering education will be a more realistic option than proactive scam busting! But both roles are necessary.

I will agree with you that the use of the "name and shame" is, again IMHO, only valid if you get it right and there is the danger of falling into the trap of obsessing over individual indians and missing the chiefs completely. However the presence of what could be called the "usual senior indians" is a very useful red flag to look into a scheme. None of them have been known to make money out of legitimate businesses. But IMHO, once identified, it often more interesting to collect details of the scam itself, and publish that as education and pass it over to law enforcement to deal with the chiefs. But again it is a question of style and I say each to their own.

Paul, you wont catch me defending the innocence of TEs. They know perfectly well what they are permitting on their exchanges and although they themselves are not involved in illegitimate business, they are certainly enabling it. If that is how they choose to make their money, the TE owners have to accept the chips the way they fall

littleroundman
05-30-2012, 04:49 AM
Paul, you DO know what is meant by the use of a "strawman" argument, don't you ??

What on earth do Fox News, drug dealers or the war on drugs have to do with whether or not the owners of traffic exchanges are willing and/or able to police their advertisers ??

Traffic exchanges carry a large percentage of illegal and immoral advertisers and advertising.

The hows and whys are a completely separate issue as is the futility or otherwise of pointing the facts out to anyone else.

I don't know about where you live, but here, to abandon hope and simply do nothing is referred to as "anarchy" and is something to be avoided.

path2prosperity
05-30-2012, 04:50 AM
Ignorance begins where thinking for oneself ends.

One of my sites was already labeled a scam here based on the fact that the name of one of my sites is similar to the name of another site of a "known" scammer and it was assumed that I was somehow affiliated with this guy who I never heard of.

I think we all old enough here to know what happens when one assumes something.



I can tell you what happens if you have a similar name to a scammer Paul. It gives you the chance to stand up for youself and tell people who you are.

I had a similar name to Nick Smirnow who got his thugs to divert attention away from him by claiming that I was an associate and bigger scammer than Smirnow. If you want to claim that path2prosperity is an associate of Nickers Smirnow from pathway2prosperity go ahead and do it. Scratchty has a name which is very similar to the name of a hard porn movie star. She stood up for herself. SO CAN YOU. If a couple of old women have some fight left, you should be able to muster up some guts or spherical objects to overcome minor setbacks like similarity in name to a known scammer.

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 04:58 AM
First of all, IMHO, the Traffic Exchanges may well be legitimate online businesses as they offer nothing more than an exchange of click views for click views, BUT they do play a positive role in the enabling of scams, as a very large number of the sites they permit promote fraudulent operations - JustBeenPaid being only one of a multitude. As long as there is no serious vetting of sites permitted, they will continue to enable scams. Whether it is possible or, more to the point, in the interests of the TEs to control what is permitted, is another question and it seems that the "nearly anything goes" policy is the one that prevails. This is where the "shady label" justifiably gets attached to the TEs and you cannot blame people for criticitizing their policies of site approval. It is not rocket science to be able identify a ponzi or pyramid scheme after years and years on the web. Defending the innocence of a traffic exchange whilst permitting scam sites on it sounds to me like wanting to have your cake and eat it.

I believe that it is possible to excercise far more control over sites permitted on all TEs and it is a question having the will to do it or not. (On a personal note, in 2008, Tim Linden's refusal to admit AdSurfDaily onto his rotator and his warning email to his members was a very effective first wake up call to many of us who believed ASD to be a legitimate advertising business. It is and was possible and there is no reason why that kind of action can't be made automatic, in order to protect TE members.)

You are certainly right in your assertion that going after frauds can be a very risky business and is not for everyone. It is not something to be entered into lightly and everyone has to do their own risk assessment before starting to decide whether they can deal with the consequences. With the advent of the common use of the internet, the criminals of this world have turned to the web as a cleaner and easier way to steal and criminals are not nice people to deal with, especially the big ones. We disagree on the topic of the impossibility of winning the battle. Education of law enforcement is just as important as the education of the public. The latter helps people to stop joining scams and is important, but the former helps create better legislation and better enforcement. It is a job that has to be done and giving up will never change anything. For some people offering education will be a more realistic option than proactive scam busting! But both roles are necessary.

I will agree with you that the use of the "name and shame" is, again IMHO, only valid if you get it right and there is the danger of falling into the trap of obsessing over individual indians and missing the chiefs completely. However the presence of what could be called the "usual senior indians" is a very useful red flag to look into a scheme. None of them have been known to make money out of legitimate businesses. But IMHO, once identified, it often more interesting to collect details of the scam itself, and publish that as education and pass it over to law enforcement to deal with the chiefs. But again it is a question of style and I say each to their own.

Paul, you wont catch me defending the innocence of TEs. They know perfectly well what they are permitting on their exchanges and although they themselves are not involved in illegitimate business, they are certainly enabling it. If that is how they choose to make their money, the TE owners have to accept the chips the way they fall

Nice to have an intelligent conversation in this matter, for a change.

As a programmer, it is impossible to police all sites as a traffic exchange owner. There are so many ways to get around security checks that is makes it impossible. People are now finding ways to get hidden metal through the $100,000 body scanners at airports. As security increases, the vulnerabilities do as well. Those vulnerabilities get found.

As a programmer I could, if I wanted to, get any porn site approved in most all traffic exchanges. When the site is being approved, the script or actual person checking the site would not see the real site. It is totally impossible to police like some people wish it could be.

Sometimes I think people just wish they had an easy way to see only sites that were real business opportunities so they would never fall prey and they could actually get rich at the touch of button that was real. It is not the legal responsibility of the advertising mediums to protect people from products or services being advertised in their network. I can't sue a tv network over a product they advertised that did not work as expected.

Those who fall prey, more times than not, have just not learned what to look out for, or did not listen to those who know better, and have no business trying to make a living online. Education is the key and the only solution.

As a former and once well known internet scam reporter, good luck and choose you battles wisely.

Here is a very simple question regarding your "enabling theory." If a city cannot rid itself of all prostitution and drug dealers, does that city become an enabler?

path2prosperity
05-30-2012, 05:00 AM
I believe that it is possible to excercise far more control over sites permitted on all TEs and it is a question having the will to do it or not. (On a personal note, in 2008, Tim Linden's refusal to admit AdSurfDaily onto his rotator and his warning email to his members was a very effective first wake up call to many of us who believed ASD to be a legitimate advertising business. It is and was possible and there is no reason why that kind of action can't be made automatic, in order to protect TE members.)



Congrats for pointing that out LORM. A RS member "grumpyoldfart" ran a traffic exchange and policed it for a very long time. I will see if he is interested in teaching this Paul Conman how to run a traffic exchange that bans porn, ponzis and viscious serial scammers.

I really must clean my glasses to see if I have spelled Paul's name incorrectly.

path2prosperity
05-30-2012, 05:10 AM
Nice to have an intelligent conversation in this matter, for a change.

As a programmer, it is impossible to police all sites as a traffic exchange owner.



I think that is "spherical objects " Paul but I am not a programmer so I will se if "grumpyoldfart" wants to challenge you on that.

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 05:19 AM
Congrats for pointing that out LORM. A RS member "grumpyoldfart" ran a traffic exchange and policed it for a very long time. I will see if he is interested in teaching this Paul Conman how to run a traffic exchange that bans porn, ponzis and viscious serial scammers.

I really must clean my glasses to see if I have spelled Paul's name incorrectly.

Hey Path2Prosperity, care to share if you live up to you name? Or are you just a grumpyoldfart yourself?

If you actually googled me, as any non-ignorant person can, even if they are in the first grade, you have seen there is very much info about me. So stop playing the ignoramus and pull you head out of your ass.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
05-30-2012, 05:26 AM
Nice to have an intelligent conversation in this matter, for a change.

As a programmer, it is impossible to police all sites as a traffic exchange owner. There are so many ways to get around security checks that is makes it impossible. People are now finding ways to get hidden metal through the $100,000 body scanners at airports. As security increases, the vulnerabilities do as well. Those vulnerabilities get found.

As a programmer I could, if I wanted to, get any porn site approved in most all traffic exchanges. When the site is being approved, the script or actual person checking the site would not see the real site. It is totally impossible to police like some people wish it could be.

Sometimes I think people just wish they had an easy way to see only sites that were real business opportunities so they would never fall prey and they could actually get rich at the touch of button that was real. It is not the legal responsibility of the advertising mediums to protect people from products or services being advertised in their network. I can't sue a tv network over a product they advertised that did not work as expected.

Those who fall prey, more times than not, have just not learned what to look out for, or did not listen to those who know better, and have no business trying to make a living online. Education is the key and the only solution.

As a former and once well known internet scam reporter, good luck and choose you battles wisely.

Here is a very simple question regarding your "enabling theory." If a city cannot rid itself of all prostitution and drug dealers, does that city become an enabler?

Sorry Paul, the CANNOT control the content arguement doesn't wash for me. OK you can never get rid of the hard core scammers who are smart enough to change their splash pages, but you can get rid of 95% and you can keep a more watchful eye on what goes on. It may well be time consuming or difficult, but that does not make it impossible. Throwing one's hands in the air and saying "it's too difficult" is not an argument when TEs are for profit businesses.

And as for your comparison with cities and crime - the short answer is when a city does NOT make real attempts to clean up its streets, then it must take some of the responsibility for what goes on in them. It is untrue that good policing and clean ups do not work. Many cities have cleaned up whole areas of petty crime by trying. Noone is saying that that the hard core do not find other places, but it has certainly been effective on chasing out the indians. Policed areas have better safety records than those which are neglected and left to get on with it.

Once again - yes the hard core will always be around, but proper control can get rid of one heck of a lot of trouble. It's a question of resources and whether or not you are willing to use them.

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 05:52 AM
Sorry Paul, the CANNOT control the content arguement doesn't wash for me. OK you can never get rid of the hard core scammers who are smart enough to change their splash pages, but you can get rid of 95% and you can keep a more watchful eye on what goes on. It may well be time consuming or difficult, but that does not make it impossible. Throwing one's hands in the air and saying "it's too difficult" is not an argument when TEs are for profit businesses.

And as for your comparison with cities and crime - the short answer is when a city does NOT make real attempts to clean up its streets, then it must take some of the responsibility for what goes on in them. It is untrue that good policing and clean ups do not work. Many cities have cleaned up whole areas of petty crime by trying. Noone is saying that that the hard core do not find other places, but it has certainly been effective on chasing out the indians. Policed areas have better safety records than those which are neglected and left to get on with it.

Once again - yes the hard core will always be around, but proper control can get rid of one heck of a lot of trouble. It's a question of resources and whether or not you are willing to use them.

Now we are getting down to business!

Most every traffic exchange has a link to report a site, a citizen police force if you will, to rid offending sites that make it passed initial screening whether that screening is manual or scripted.

Splash pages can be illusive, but as programmer, I don't have to use a fake splash page to get people to see porn if I want to promote porn, but it would not get seen many times before it gets flagged by THE PEOPLE! I am not going to go into details, but the bottom line is, the PEOPLE are the ultimate police force, the surfers! If they accept what they see, the people have spoken! Bottom line! What THE PEOPLE accept will always remain in rotation! Even if it is a site that somehow gets passed initial screening, once again, whether scripted or manual, that site will remain in rotation until it gets reported!

So who is truly to blame? The site or the people surfing who allow it to be there???

Lil Ol' Radical Me
05-30-2012, 06:08 AM
Now we are getting down to business!

Most every traffic exchange has a link to report a site, a citizen police force if you will, to rid offending sites that make it passed initial screening whether that screening is manual or scripted.

Splash pages can be illusive, but as programmer, I don't have to use a fake splash page to get people to see porn if I want to promote porn, but it would not get seen many times before it gets flagged by THE PEOPLE! I am not going to go into details, but the bottom line is, the PEOPLE are the ultimate police force, the surfers! If they accept what they see, the people have spoken! Bottom line! What THE PEOPLE accept will always remain in rotation! Even if it is a site that somehow gets passed initial screening, once again, whether scripted or manual, that site will remain in rotation until it gets reported!

So who is truly to blame? The site who allow it to be there or the people surfing ???

There, fixed it for you

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 06:19 AM
There, fixed it for you

Good luck with that.

It is nice to see our posts so close together so people can clearly see how you not only changed my "quote" but took me out of context as well.

Have a good day, and best of luck in your crusade. Focus your attention in the right places and you might make a difference, (said the former owner of the Internet Surfers Alliance Against Fraud from 2001 to 2002 who sees history repeating itself. Nothing like remembering and learning history from someone who lived it, but if a person is not willing to listen, so be it... I will move on.)

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05-30-2012, 06:49 AM
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PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 07:05 AM
Thanks for the free advertising! Not like you found anything hidden! It's all public! <kisses>

Lil Ol' Radical Me
05-30-2012, 07:17 AM
Good luck with that.

It is nice to see our posts so close together so people can clearly see how you not only changed my "quote" but took me out of context as well.

Have a good day, and best of luck in your crusade. Focus your attention in the right places and you might make a difference, (said the former owner of the Internet Surfers Alliance Against Fraud from 2001 to 2002 who sees history repeating itself. Nothing like remembering and learning history from someone who lived it, but if a person is not willing to listen, so be it... I will move on.)

It was not only "nice" but deliberate that our posts were close together, so people can see how clearly I changed your quote.

I have listened to you, but simply do not agree that it is not possible to exercise more control over the sites permitted on for-profit TEs, nor that we should give up on trying. The same goes for the fight against any kind of crime. Just because it is hard, doesnt justify giving up, although you rightly pňint out that stopping the scams themselves is not for everyone that doesnt excuse their knowing enablement. AND you have to remember that running a TE is a business choice for profit, not a social service run on limited public funds.

(The fact that the current US laws on Drug Enforcement dont work is no reason to give up the fight against drug abuse nor the education campaign against it either.)

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 07:20 AM
I especially find it interesting how you doctored screen shots! I feel sorry for you that you feel you have to stoop so low!

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 07:22 AM
It was not only "nice" but deliberate that our posts were close together, so people can see how clearly I changed your quote.

You admit to changing my quote and another person here has supplied "screen shots" that have been doctored!

Is this the usual method of operation?

You people are pathetic!

littleroundman
05-30-2012, 07:33 AM
"Doctored" how, exactly ???

The relevant links are provided, so that people can check for themselves.

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 07:49 AM
"Doctored" how, exactly ???

The relevant links are provided, so that people can check for themselves.

Best people DO CHECK for themselves so they can see your doctorin. Blind faith and ignorance are a choice, but a pathetic life if one wants to live their own. Don't play coy with me. I am done with you and this forum. Thanks for the free advertising though...

scratchycat
05-30-2012, 09:07 AM
Ignorance begins where thinking for oneself ends.

I do not run nor do I own a traffic exchange. Nor did I admit to "...running a scam..."

What I stated is that my sites do not meet your extremely loose definition of a "scam site" based on the mere fact that I allow my members to promote many of the sites some of the people here appear to despise.

Your assumptions allude to your ignorance.

Besides, based on pure ignorance, one of my sites was already labeled a scam here based on the fact that the name of one of my sites is similar to the name of another site of a "known" scammer and it was assumed that I was somehow affiliated with this guy who I never heard of.

I think we all old enough here to know what happens when one assumes something.

Live up to the name of this site and hen peck the REAL SCAMS.

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05-30-2012, 09:11 AM
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05-30-2012, 09:23 AM
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No screenshots, just copied exactly from your blog. The way copy & paste works with pictures.

This thread started out about TimTech and the thread Kathleen Vanbeekom started in Scamlandpro. Now it has brought attention to other TEs and there are many out there. So who are the BIG leaders in the business?? We have little shouters like Kathleen who use any and everything to promote her pyramids and scams. She has to feed the 20 yr old children. She does not like it that some people point out she is doing it illegally.

Now it seems you, Paul, have brought out your businesses in the full light of scrunity.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
05-30-2012, 09:39 AM
You admit to changing my quote and another person here has supplied "screen shots" that have been doctored!

Is this the usual method of operation?

You people are pathetic!

As I had no intention whatsoever of "doctoring your post", but was disagreeing with what you said and assumed that that would be clear from the way I put the comment in red (but was not clear to you) - perhaps this will do instead - it is too late to do the edit on my original post I'm afraid.




Quote Originally Posted by PaulCoonan View Post
Now we are getting down to business!

Most every traffic exchange has a link to report a site, a citizen police force if you will, to rid offending sites that make it passed initial screening whether that screening is manual or scripted.

Splash pages can be illusive, but as programmer, I don't have to use a fake splash page to get people to see porn if I want to promote porn, but it would not get seen many times before it gets flagged by THE PEOPLE! I am not going to go into details, but the bottom line is, the PEOPLE are the ultimate police force, the surfers! If they accept what they see, the people have spoken! Bottom line! What THE PEOPLE accept will always remain in rotation! Even if it is a site that somehow gets passed initial screening, once again, whether scripted or manual, that site will remain in rotation until it gets reported!

So who is truly to blame? The site [who allow it to be there] (added) or the people surfing who allow it to be there (deleted)) ???

There, fixed it for you.

Better? The point is still the same.

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05-30-2012, 09:47 AM
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Why don't we just do some DD (not going there again Whip!!) :RpS_lol:

Something else you should know. We do like to have some fun around here! I love those blue tights Okosh and your red briefs on top!!

littleroundman
05-30-2012, 09:59 AM
HeHe,

Now people can understand why it is I like using screenshots.

UNDOCTORED screen shots, at that.

Stitched when needs be, for certain.

Framed ??? Yep.

But "doctored" never.

Shakespeare had it right in Hamlet: "For tis the sport to have the engineer Hoist with his own petard"

path2prosperity
05-30-2012, 10:44 AM
Something else you should know. We do like to have some fun around here! I love those blue tights Okosh and your red briefs on top!!

Don't wash them before sending them to an organic synthetic chemist "okosh." If female cats "down under" like the smell of your body secretions, you may be able to get the esters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester) in them synthesised and launch a new product range. "okosh cat nip."

How much would you be prepared to pay for a teaspoon of synthetic "okosh cat nip smellies" to test on your cats scratchy? We could advertise our products on TimTech traffic exchanges.

That is the correct way to market a product or service Paul. "Internet marketing" is reproducing mass produced sales spiel and nothing to do with marketing

scratchycat
05-30-2012, 03:34 PM
I will pass on that one P2P - Okosh can keep his tights and not be concerned with cats!! LOL

No, I don't think I want to advertise my website on TEs either. The thing about traffic exchanges, they are all the same and all the ads are the same. It is just like advertising in Scamland, you are trying to sell to people who are selling!!!! Guess what little money is made is done through the incentive programs of PTC. Since they are all selling hype are they going to try out each other's programs!!??

Think I will go stare at my beautiful flowers and the butterflies that come to visit. Tomorrow I go house hunting again. I love this place but it is falling down on us!! 120 yrs with little repairs, poor thing - no, we rent, ll would not sell. Been here 22 yrs. now so it will be sad to pull up roots but it has to be done.

path2prosperity
05-30-2012, 03:49 PM
I will pass on that one P2P - Okosh can keep his tights and not be concerned with cats!! LOL


When my son left home, one of my cats used to sleep in his sock drawer. She really loved the smell of his feet . I have often wondered if the smell of men's sweaty feet could be synthised. If it could, I would certainly buy a test the market sample for my cats.

Richmond park gardeners tried to synthesise the smell of lion's urine to protect the young saplings from attack by deer but it did not work. They would not go near a tree with real lion urine but they ignored the smell of the synthetic stuff.

Please forgive off topic comments for this thread boys and girls. I wanted to be an organic synthetic chemist when I was young but I was not clever enough so I had to work as an analytical chemist in a metallurgy laboratory.

path2prosperity
05-30-2012, 04:31 PM
No, I don't think I want to advertise my website on TEs either.

What goes around come around "scratchy." Somebody will launch a new generation of traffic exchanges for niche markets. There are plenty of people with a love of butterflies who will buy from you when this generation of TEs bite the dust. They really are done and dusted.

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 06:43 PM
Now it seems you, Paul, have brought out your businesses in the full light of scrunity.

No I call it free advertising! Thanks again!

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 06:49 PM
As I had no intention whatsoever of "doctoring your post", but was disagreeing with what you said and assumed that that would be clear from the way I put the comment in red (but was not clear to you) - perhaps this will do instead - it is too late to do the edit on my original post I'm afraid.



Better? The point is still the same.

Yes, quite clear now. Now can you answer the question? When surfers have a Report Site link while they are surfing, and 99.999% of the surfers don't report a site, I would say that clearly shows the people accept what they see while they are surfing.

Now if you are demanding that traffic exchange owners take a dictatorial role in their business and run their sites like N. Korea, good luck with that! It is the members that ultimately control what is seen or not seen.

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 07:04 PM
However, to appease you; your site does come really close to another one: ViralTrafficRush



Registrant:
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seal beach, California 90740
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+1.5058033182

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United States
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and here is another:

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+001 306 343 7000

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Why don't we just do some DD (not going there again Whip!!) :RpS_lol:

Something else you should know. We do like to have some fun around here! I love those blue tights Okosh and your red briefs on top!!

Is there a point to this? I clearly see more blatant ignorance or an attempt to mislead others but presenting someone else's info as if there is a connection to me. How can anyone take you as a credible "expert" on exposing scams?

As to my info, you have done nothing but present public info. Am I supposed to scared? Am I supposed to be impressed that you can copy and paste public info?

Here let me help you out some more! I have a list of 803 traffic exchanges that I share with my members in the member's area. That ought to make your mouth water!

But more than anything, let's get to the point. Are you or anyone else here calling my site a "scam" because of the sites I allow my members to advertise? Or is it just that you just "don't like" my site for the same reason? My site is a perfectly legal site and goes even further in ensuring it is PayPal compliant.

So, is my site a "scam" or you just "don't like" it?

path2prosperity
05-30-2012, 07:18 PM
Yes, quite clear now. Now can you answer the question? When surfers have a Report Site link while they are surfing, and 99.999% of the surfers don't report a site, I would say that clearly shows the people accept what they see while they are surfing.

Now if you are demanding that traffic exchange owners take a dictatorial role in their business and run their sites like N. Korea, good luck with that! It is the members that ultimately control what is seen or not seen.

99.999% don't see advertising on traffic exchanges? They clock up clicks with multitab browsers in the hopes that some idiot may be viewing the site. Some idiots will view them and send cash to people like Fred Mann or BoggyBoy Fiedur. Some investigative journalists or consumer advocates will also see them.

I think traffic exchanges would be great for proper niche marketing. Scratcy paints butterfly pictures and a traffic exchange for that sort of market makes sense. ILoveHits and the likes of that is simply dying of old age.

littleroundman
05-30-2012, 07:33 PM
As to my info, you have done nothing but present public info.

Exactly.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/realogo-2.jpg


Am I supposed to scared? Am I supposed to be impressed that you can copy and paste public info?

What "Paul Coonan" thinks, or whether or not "Paul Coonan" is scared is none of our concern.

People can make up their own minds.

If REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) can help facilitate the process in any way, it has accomplished what it set out to do.

scratchycat
05-30-2012, 07:49 PM
Is there a point to this? I clearly see more blatant ignorance or an attempt to mislead others but presenting someone else's info as if there is a connection to me. How can anyone take you as a credible "expert" on exposing scams?

As to my info, you have done nothing but present public info. Am I supposed to scared? Am I supposed to be impressed that you can copy and paste public info?


But more than anything, let's get to the point. Are you or anyone else here calling my site a "scam" because of the sites I allow my members to advertise? Or is it just that you just "don't like" my site for the same reason? My site is a perfectly legal site and goes even further in ensuring it is PayPal compliant.

So, is my site a "scam" or you just "don't like" it?

I have no quarrel or fight with you Paul. You have a business called Traffic Exchange by whatever name. I only posted what I found online. You have to be responsible for what you represent. I don't judge it in anyway. I would not use it for promoting my business because I do not promote "programs", just products. I don't ask you to take me as anything. I do know that I am happy to be free of a website that caused me distress for 4 years. I also do not ask you to be impressed with anything I do. I just wanted to copy what I saw on your blog.


As to my info, you have done nothing but present public info. Am I supposed to scared? Am I supposed to be impressed that you can copy and paste public info? I do not ask you to be impressed with anything I do.

My site is a perfectly legal site and goes even further in ensuring it is PayPal compliant. Wonderful, so you do not have anything to worry about.

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 08:00 PM
I think traffic exchanges would be great for proper niche marketing. Scratcy paints butterfly pictures and a traffic exchange for that sort of market makes sense. ILoveHits and the likes of that is simply dying of old age.

That is how they started, and there are still many who started over 10 years ago that still have advertising categories to choose from, for both the surfer to choose what category they would like to view, and the promoters to choose what category to place their site in. They even have links for surfers to report if a site is in the wrong category or even suggest a better category to be placed in. These guys have been around since the beginning.

But let's look at the grandfather, ClickThru.net. They pioneered 'categories.' The site is still live, but barely. Maybe just plain neglect from the site owner, but the same system is still in place and nobody uses it. 2 possibilities of why ClickThru is nearly dormant are plain neglect, or, the original 'category' driven system that would appeal to niches is a failure.


The biggest problem with traffic exchanges is there are too many. This creates fierce competition in a market where there are not enough surfers (demand) to fill the supply of traffic exchanges. 99% of the exchanges out there are out of the box scripts and 99% of those owners have no idea how to do any code mods to create something different than all the others.

I have seen many tes come and go very quickly that tried to stick to just a single niche market. Everyone of them died. Point being, what you suggest has been tried, and they have all been failures. That could be for many different reasons. However, I think a site with multiple categories, and given the proper promotion, could work, and bring back many advertisers that once used tes a decade ago. I remember how diverse the sites in rotation used to be. So much has changed since then like geo-targetting. People can now browse and even advertise on a very local level with very specific targeting. Yet, nobody has gone there yet to integrate such a system. There are a few tes where you can target by country, but the technology is available now to break that down to states and even cities.

Well I better get to working on that one because whoever comes out with that first will set a whole new standard for a shaky industry! Interesting enough, I am working on a custom traffic exchange, and believe it or not, I know it would be one you would like. I can't give details, but I will say that it gives surfers in whole new level of control that has never been seen before.

Ya know, despite the trading of flames between us, I can honestly thank each of you for your perspective of traffic exchanges, as extreme as I may find them to be. Your views have solidified an idea I have had for a couple years now. You are not alone in your frustrations with tes. I have heard many varying degrees. I have been able to sift through your comments and see the core of your thoughts.

Thank you for putting up with me! When I get my new traffic exchange done, I honestly think you will like it. I guarantee it will set a new industry standard and be a breathe of fresh air! It will be something never before seen. That is the kind of stuff I like to build ;-)

path2prosperity
05-30-2012, 08:03 PM
Wonderful, so you do not have anything to worry about.



That is your opinion. I think his site is old hat and puerile.

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 08:07 PM
Exactly.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/realogo-2.jpg



What "Paul Coonan" thinks, or whether or not "Paul Coonan" is scared is none of our concern.

People can make up their own minds.

If REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) can help facilitate the process in any way, it has accomplished what it set out to do.

If it is none of your concern, then what is the point of posting in the first place? I personally see it as nothing but a pointless action. Google my name and you will get over 200,000 results. My facebook profile is 100% public as well. I am a very public guy. I still don't see the point of posting public info, but once again, thanks for the free advertising!

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 08:28 PM
[COLOR="#0000CD"]I have no quarrel or fight with you Paul. You have a business called Traffic Exchange by whatever name. I only posted what I found online. You have to be responsible for what you represent. I don't judge it in anyway. I would not use it for promoting my business because I do not promote "programs", just products.

With all due respect, I do not have a traffic exchange. I have not had one since 2004. In regards to being responsible for what your represent, you posted public info of another person who owns another site that is not related to mine in anyway, nor do I even know the owner. When asking what the point was, that is what I was referring to mainly but did not make that clear. By someone deeming my site scam, in another thread, based on the fact that the name of my site was similar to another site owned by someone else that I do not know, is the reason I am here in the first place. I took offense to that right out of the gate. Not only was my site deemed a scam based on the similarity of the name to another site, it was then reinforced here in this forum that my site was a scam based on the fact that it was being promoted by Kathleen. Double resentment that created in myself! So, I have vented here directly and made my case. It was irresponsibility of someone else in this forum that got me in here to defend myself. I had that right. But the anger is gone now, the steam has settled.

Thanks again for putting up with me. It was a pleasure to hear your views on traffic exchanges. I rarely use them myself, but I have had plans on building a better one for the last 2 years, so your views truly were taken to heart.

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 08:30 PM
That is your opinion. I think his site is old hat and puerile.

You are funny!

littleroundman
05-30-2012, 10:48 PM
If it is none of your concern, then what is the point of posting in the first place?

The "point" is anybody who has read the thread now knows a lot more about traffic exchanges than they did two days ago and can decide for themselves whether or not to become involved with them.


I PERSONALLY see it as nothing but a pointless action.

Glad you clarified that little point.


Google my name and you will get over 200,000 results.

Your point being..............??

Google Bernard Madoff and you'll frighten yourself.

Just like traffic exchanges, number of hits does not necessarily equate to useful results


I have seen many tes come and go very quickly that tried to stick to just a single niche market. Everyone of them died.

Died because they tried to stick to a niche market or died because consumers woke up to the fact they were filled with nonsense sites ??

Personally, I think you're vastly underestimating the sophistication and discernment of a great proportion of modern 'net users.

Half a dozen hits on anything that smells slightly like a get-rich-quick scheme on a new "traffic exchange" and the average user is outa there.

IM(very)HO, THAT'S why traffic exchanges come and go with monotonous regularity.

Once the latest-and-greatest runs out of HYIPers, get-rich-quickers and fellow "advertisers" it's dead in the water.

PaulCoonan
05-30-2012, 11:40 PM
The "point" is anybody who has read the thread now knows a lot more about traffic exchanges than they did two days ago and can decide for themselves whether or not to become involved with them.

And since I am not a traffic exchange owner nor do I run a traffic exchange, posting my public information is relevant how?


Died because they tried to stick to a niche market or died because consumers woke up to the fact they were filled with nonsense sites ??

There are many reasons, and very likely some people thought just like you. But most who chose a niche could not get enough support in the niche they chose, lack of enough interest. Poor choice of niche? Poor promotion? Who knows.


Personally, I think you're vastly underestimating the sophistication and discernment of a great proportion of modern 'net users.

Where did that come from? I don't underestimate net users. I see and feel it everyday. I remember when getting referrals to new sites from 2000 to 2003 was like fishing in a barrel. Not the case these days. Many people now blog with excitement when they happen to get maybe 10 referrals to a site in a month. But I remember back then when I had a free homepage in AOL Hometown and was new to the internet, I would somehow find 10 to 30 new referrals per day to each of any programs I was promoting. That was without traffic exchanges nor emails. All I had to do was put a banner ad on my page in AOL Hometown.

Now I rarely promote any sites other than my own. I too am disgusted with what is out there. There are very few 'real' opportunities out there anymore compared to what there used to be. There are a lot more hit and run sites than there used to be. I can see the point of view that says traffic exchanges enable scams sites to be promoted. But I also believe that the enabling is indirect. Nobody buys and runs a traffic exchange with the idea in mind that they are doing it so scam sites have a place to advertise. Conversely, a person could also argue that scam sites enable traffic exchanges to live. Realistically, it is a sick symbiotic relationship. Nobody has attempted, or maybe they have and fell on their face, to revolutionize the traffic exchange industry. Something does need to be completely changed, but it is really as simple as going back to the roots, of which, most te owners have no clue about. They have no idea how traffic exchanges 'used to be' but ignorance is a choice and most te owners choose to stick to the status quo, doing what all the other te owners do, expecting different results. I think what I am trying to say here is, there haven't been any true pioneers in a long time, and a new pioneer is long overdue.

littleroundman
05-30-2012, 11:49 PM
Nobody buys and runs a traffic exchange with the idea in mind that they are doing it so scam sites have a place to advertise.

Oh, P-U-H-L-E-A-S-E,

You know "nobody" personally, I take it ??

Next you'll be telling us "nobody" runs forums specifically to promote HYIPS or that "nobody" uses their own name to run an online fraud.

what nonsense.

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 12:12 AM
Oh, P-U-H-L-E-A-S-E,

You know "nobody" personally, I take it ??

Next you'll be telling us "nobody" runs forums specifically to promote HYIPS or that "nobody" uses their own name to run an online fraud.

what nonsense.

That is your opinion, but to me it would appear that you do not know any traffic exchange owners on a personal level. If you did or do, ask them yourself why they started a traffic exchange and see if anyone tells you they did it to give scams a place to advertise. I don't think you will find one. People start a traffic exchange for basically 2 main reasons, to earn extra income and to build an email list. Those are the 2 main answers you will get.

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 12:16 AM
Originally Posted by littleroundman

The "point" is anybody who has read the thread now knows a lot more about traffic exchanges than they did two days ago and can decide for themselves whether or not to become involved with them.

And since I am not a traffic exchange owner nor do I run a traffic exchange, posting my public information is relevant how?

I would still like an answer to my above question.

littleroundman
05-31-2012, 01:02 AM
I would still like an answer to my above question.

Ummn, you're kidding me, right ??

Take a look around you.

You're in OUR house and you'd "like an answer" ????

Get over yourself.


but to me IT WOULD APPEAR

Enough with the traffic exchange double talk, OK ??

For "it would appear" you might as might as well have said "I don't know"

You have no idea who I know or what experience I may or may not have.

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 01:41 AM
Ummn, you're kidding me, right ??

Take a look around you.

You're in OUR house and you'd "like an answer" ????

Get over yourself.



Enough with the traffic exchange double talk, OK ??

For "it would appear" you might as might as well have said "I don't know"

You have no idea who I know or what experience I may or may not have.

True, I do not know you or who you may know.

What does that matter when all I am asking is how my public data being hosted here has any relevance to traffic exchanges. And I would also like to know the relevance of posting the public data of site owners I do not know and presenting them as if there is some connection to me?

Is that too much to ask? If you cannot give a straight answer to those questions, instead of giving me this 'it's my house' attitude, then it truly leaves your methods of defining what sites are scams and certainly your credibility to question. Let's not forget the reason why I am here in the first place. My site was labeled a scam by someone in your forum based on 2 criteria. 1) The fact of one particular person who was found to be promoting my site, and 2) based on the fact that the name of my site is similar to the name of another site which is owned by someone I don't even know. Those 2 criteria alone leave your credibility to question.

If you want to take your ball and go back in your house, go ahead. But if you want to defend your and this site's credibility, answer the questions that I have been asking since I first started posting 4 pages ago. You have done nothing but avoid my questions that I have been asking since post 1.

okosh
05-31-2012, 01:42 AM
Oh here, let me requote your quote of my quote!



My site that was deemed a "scam" in this forum was based on the mere fact that I allow my members to advertise sites that you do not like. That is just pure ignorance. I have an advertising site. I guess you forgot to leave that out of your LOOSE definition of a SCAM!

Why don't you start a crusade against the biggest paid to click site in the world, Clixsense, or the biggest traffic exchange in the world, EasyHits4u? They appear to fit your this forum's criteira of "scam sites" to a T! The sites you despise the most are advertised on those 2 sites 10,000+ times more than any other advertising medium you want to attack. As your crusade is concerned, why not go for the giants? REALLY!!! Why not??? The little guys and nothings you go after appear to just be something to take up your time and means nothing! Go after the big dogs who are the industry leaders and example setters and then maybe you can feel proud of what you are doing, truly proud, instead of the false pride you gain from attacking insignificant nothings!

Typical of scam site admin....When in the hole he dug for himself he tells you to leave him alone and go find a bigger fish to catch....

okosh
05-31-2012, 01:45 AM
I have not cleaned my glasses this morning. I did a quick Google for Paul Conman and could not find anything. I may have missed the point of your message. Has somebody called Paul Conman joined RS or said anything intelleigent?



I really must clean my glasses to see if I have spelled Paul's name incorrectly.

You spelled his name just right :RpS_wink:

okosh
05-31-2012, 01:46 AM
I love those blue tights Okosh and your red briefs on top!![/COLOR]

Thanks kitty....You're too kind :RpS_smile:

okosh
05-31-2012, 01:49 AM
Ummn, you're kidding me, right ??

It works like this LRM.....
A scam is only a scam if Paul says it is....In other words none of us here got a clue....

And if any of us don't agree with what he says then we are ignorant in his eyes....

That's about the sum of his 35 posts here as I see it....

littleroundman
05-31-2012, 01:56 AM
If you want to take your ball and go back in your house, go ahead. But if you want to defend your and this site's credibility, answer the questions that I have been asking since I first started posting 4 pages ago. You have done nothing but avoid my questions that I have been asking since post 1.

Why on earth would I want to defend the sites' credibility ??

ESPECIALLY to some stranger who speaks doubletalk and defends Traffic exchanges.

Again I point out the REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) logo:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/realogo-2.jpg

Unlike traffic exchanges which rely on doublespeak, subterfuge and trickery, REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) succeeds or fails on it's own merits.

Personally, I don't respond well to bullying and even worse to HYIP ponzi and traffic exchange "industry" doublespeak.

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 02:16 AM
Typical of scam site admin....When in the hole he dug for himself he tells you to leave him alone and go find a bigger fish to catch....

Where did I say to leave me alone? If you don't like my suggestion of going to the top, if you really want to make a difference in this world against sites that promote scams, what difference can you possibly make? Throwing a cotton ball into a flooding river thinking you are making a difference is useless. If you are not willing to go after the big dogs, your efforts are useless.

I am the admin of a scam you site you say? Do you say that just to get a rise out of me so you can have something to do, or do you have evidence to back up that claim? That is essentially what I have been asking for since I started posting.

Either provide evidence to the libelous statements that have been made about my site, which once again is why I am here in the first place, or apologize. BUT I can't seem to get anything out anyone either way!

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 02:31 AM
It works like this LRM.....
A scam is only a scam if Paul says it is....In other words none of us here got a clue....

And if any of us don't agree with what he says then we are ignorant in his eyes....

That's about the sum of his 35 posts here as I see it....

Let's bring things back now. I am here in reference to my own personal site which someone in this forum brought up and labeled a scam based on extremely irrelevant criteria and in a very irresponsible way that presents ignorance. Am I not allowed to stand up for my site and ask questions? I am not allowed to get answers? Especially when I didn't start this!

All I want is for someone here to show some accountability and take responsibility for the irresponsible actions taken on behalf of, and in representation of, this forum.

Until someone actually does their homework first and gets the actual facts regarding my site, I will continue to say to anyone who labels my site a scam based on it's name and who they saw promoting it, that they are as ignorant as ignorant gets.

So anyone up for accountability, or are we going to keep playing kids games?

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 02:50 AM
Why on earth would I want to defend the sites' credibility ??

ESPECIALLY to some stranger who speaks doubletalk and defends Traffic exchanges.

I was referring to you defending the credibility of this forum. I may be a stranger, but you have your own members and guests that wander through. Did you forget you have an audience and you are a representative of this site? Honor must come cheap around here.

In addition, I am defending my own site, and, once again, my site is not a traffic exchange. And once again, someone in this forum started this not me. And once again, either someone provide real evidence that my site is a scam, or give me an apology. It is that f'n simple.

You being a representative of this forum, if you are going to stand by and defend members who label sites scams based solely on the site name and who may be promoting it, that tells me a lot about the integrity of this site, and you, what very little integrity there is, if any.

So what page are we on now with me asking the same questions over and over again and not getting any answers?

This may be your house, but it was your house that started this not me! So start taking some accountability for the actions of the forum that you represent. I don't understand why I have make nearly 40 posts just to get some answers that I feel I have the right to know. And you wonder why I am getting irate??? Where is the accountability? Where is the integrity?

okosh
05-31-2012, 02:55 AM
Where did I say to leave me alone? If you don't like my suggestion of going to the top, if you really want to make a difference in this world against sites that promote scams, what difference can you possibly make? Throwing a cotton ball into a flooding river thinking you are making a difference is useless. If you are not willing to go after the big dogs, your efforts are useless.


Useless??.....Kitty gonna scratch your eyes out over that.....

You're here defending your scam site....Placing all sorts of spin on things....Sooking like a little girl....
But you're right....None of us here make any difference at all.....
And you got the nerve to call us ignorant??....Blahahahahahahaha....You funny!!!!


I am the admin of a scam you site you say? Do you say that just to get a rise out of me so you can have something to do, or do you have evidence to back up that claim? That is essentially what I have been asking for since I started posting.

You already posted the proof....So no need to rehash what we already covered....


Either provide evidence to the libelous statements that have been made about my site, which once again is why I am here in the first place, or apologize. BUT I can't seem to get anything out anyone either way!

Cry me a river....Or better yet sue me....Fly to Australia....Spend the night on the ship to the south island then drive 4hours to lodge your papers in the Hobart Supreme court....
Bring it on sport....))

okosh
05-31-2012, 03:03 AM
You being a representative of this forum, if you are going to stand by and defend members who label sites scams based solely on the site name and who may be promoting it, that tells me a lot about the integrity of this site, and you, what very little integrity there is, if any.


Just for the record I don't base my opinion on you being a scam admin on what anyoneone else posts here except you....I base my opinion on your own confession in post #90....
In that post you confessed that you allow your members to pimp scams which means you making profit from that pimping.....This makes you a scam admin in my book....

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 03:06 AM
Useless??.....Kitty gonna scratch your eyes out over that.....

I speak from experience. I had a far bigger forum than this that was also based on flushing out scams.


You're here defending your scam site....Placing all sorts of spin on things....Sooking like a little girl....
But you're right....None of us here make any difference at all.....
And you got the nerve to call us ignorant??....Blahahahahahahaha....You funny!!!!

As long as you call my site a scam without investigating the facts, yes, you are ignorant, pure and simple!

If you think that plugging a leak in a dam with your finger makes a difference while the rest of the damn is falling apart, then yes, you are ignorant, pure and simple.


You already posted the proof....So no need to rehash what we already covered....

I posted proof that my site is a scam? What a joker you are!

okosh
05-31-2012, 03:15 AM
I speak from experience. I had a far bigger forum than this that was also based on flushing out scams.


What was the url??....


As long as you call my site a scam without investigating the facts, yes, you are ignorant, pure and simple!


You provided all the facts needed.....Thanks for that....

path2prosperity
05-31-2012, 03:20 AM
The biggest problem with traffic exchanges is there are too many. This creates fierce competition in a market where there are not enough surfers (demand) to fill the supply of traffic exchanges.



In other words, the market has dried up. Markets and products to fill them dry up but the best products and services survive. The market for fountain pens dried up with the advent of the ball point pen but fountain pen sales could be a very good niche market in the Internet age.

I am one of jmpennyfeather's (http://www.jmpennifeather.co.uk/) customers so I will see if the owners would like to advertise on any traffic exchange or join RS. If I can negotiate an affiliate deal with them, I will not advertise their products on TimTech, ILoveHits or AdlandproTrafficExchange.

Mindless surfers are a dying breed. You may be a better IT guy than I am Paul but your marketing skills are very limited.

You need intelligent business men and women to market quality products online, if your new TE is going to succeed. jmpennyfeather may or may not have an affiliate program. If they do, now would be the time to see if they would let you sell their products. I would love one of their gold nib pens for Christmas. You should be looking for products to fill that market. My birthday is only a few months away, so I hope you can get an affiliate deal with them and be nice to me. HINT HINT.

path2prosperity
05-31-2012, 03:45 AM
Thanks kitty....You're too kind :RpS_smile:

I am very jealous of her avatar. Very Toulouse Lautrec.

Sorry boys and girls. I am off topic again but it is little details like that which make a good Internet Marketer not numbers on a screen or hits on Google.

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 03:54 AM
Just for the record I don't base my opinion on you being a scam admin on what anyoneone else posts here except you....I base my opinion on your own confession in post #90....
In that post you confessed that you allow your members to pimp scams which means you making profit from that pimping.....This makes you a scam admin in my book....

What I do as an advertising medium is not illegal. My site in whole is not a scam. Now if you want to call me a 'scam admin', referring to me rather than my site, that is different, and certainly the opinion you are entitled to. I never admitted to my site being a scam, I merely stated that it appears to fit your loose definition of a 'scam site' based on the fact of what my members choose to advertise.

I think you should start a crusade against billboard advertisers who allow alcohol advertising to be displayed. Alcohol kills people so allowing billboard owners to advertise alcohol should be illegal. But, the argument in that on going battle is that people have the choice to drink, and they do despite the dangers and potential risks, just as people who get involved in illegal money making sites who join knowing they may loose everything they put into it. And just as billboard owners who advertise alcohol have zero accountability to drunk driving deaths, I am not accountable for the actions of 3rd party sites that may be advertised through my advertising medium. And that goes for any site with advertising on it. Even on tv where stations advertise cars all the time. The tv stations cannot be held accountable for any accidents derived from the cars they were advertising.

And once again, when my site, not me, my site gets labeled/libeled as a scam, in this forum that you represent, that is where we have an issue, a real issue that needs to be addressed. Is there any integrity or accountability in this forum at all? Even newspapers, when they report something wrong or incorrectly, have a legal obligation to retract and or correct the issue.

You have the choice to show some integrity in your representation of this forum, or you can choose not to take any accountability at all. At least after 40 posts to get somewhere you finally defined that there is a difference between a 'scam admin' and a 'scam site' even if a site does happen to get labeled/libeled a 'scam site' just because of who promotes it or how similar the site name may be to an unrelated site. That is just reckless...

okosh
05-31-2012, 04:00 AM
In other words, the market has dried up.

That's dream land talk mate......
The reality is that all the hard work to bring down scams like 12dp, asd, Cep, P2P, Legisi, PIPS and the rest has done the damage.....Add to that the damge done by stormpay, e-gold, e-bullion and now SolidTrustPay with members taking a loss at every turn......
With every scam that got busted and every pay processor that died more people walked away from these scams.......

Bit by bit groups like those who post at RS have chipped away till we now at the point where it's really only the diehars left and very few newbies joining these scams...

path2prosperity
05-31-2012, 04:09 AM
Am I not allowed to stand up for my site and ask questions?



Of course you are but if you endorse TimTech or VanBeenkom style marketing as the right way to market anything online, you will be sent to the bottom of the class and have to wear the dunces cap for a while.

Come up with a new generation of traffic exchanges and hit the jackpot, if you can. Do that and I will be the first to take my hat off to you. I would don my titfer to you as "We Ancient Brits" would say in an old fashioned music hall.

okosh
05-31-2012, 04:10 AM
What I do as an advertising medium is not illegal. My site in whole is not a scam. Now if you want to call me a 'scam admin', referring to me rather than my site, that is different, and certainly the opinion you are entitled to. I never admitted to my site being a scam, I merely stated that it appears to fit your loose definition of a 'scam site' based on the fact of what my members choose to advertise.


It is not a loose definition....A pyramid or ponzi scheme is a scam....Only a fool would argue this point....
But me my guest and give it a shot as it will be fun to watch you make a fool of yourself....


I think you should start a crusade against billboard advertisers who allow alcohol advertising to be displayed.

Again with the leave me alone and go after a bigger fish BS??....Give it a rest you fool....


And once again, when my site, not me, my site gets labeled/libeled as a scam, in this forum that you represent, that is where we have an issue, a real issue that needs to be addressed. Is there any integrity or accountability in this forum at all? Even newspapers, when they report something wrong or incorrectly, have a legal obligation to retract and or correct the issue.

There is nothing to correct.....You running a scam site and you are a scam admin.....Stop making profit from your members pimping scams on your site then you and your site can be seen as non-scam....


You have the choice to show some integrity in your representation of this forum, or you can choose not to take any accountability at all. At least after 40 posts to get somewhere you finally defined that there is a difference between a 'scam admin' and a 'scam site' even if a site does happen to get labeled/libeled a 'scam site' just because of who promotes it or how similar the site name may be to an unrelated site. That is just reckless...

A scam site has to have a scam admin....And a scam admin must have something to admin so in your case it's the site....So you clutching at straws here.....Stop splitting hairs and start stopping to provide your members with a place to pimp scams....

And I do not represent this forum.....I am just a member like you are.....Except with one big difference...I have credibility and you don't :mooning:

okosh
05-31-2012, 04:13 AM
Am I not allowed to stand up for my site and ask questions? I am not allowed to get answers? Especially when I didn't start this!

All you are doing here is pissing in the wind.....You sounding like the cat with feathers falling out of it's mouth that claims it didn't eat the bird....

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 04:21 AM
In other words, the market has dried up. Markets and products to fill them dry up but the best products and services survive. The market for fountain pens dried up with the advent of the ball point pen but fountain pen sales could be a very good niche market in the Internet age.

I am one of jmpennyfeather's (http://www.jmpennifeather.co.uk/) customers so I will see if the owners would like to advertise on any traffic exchange or join RS. If I can negotiate an affiliate deal with them, I will not advertise their products on TimTech, ILoveHits or AdlandproTrafficExchange.

Mindless surfers are a dying breed. You may be a better IT guy than I am Paul but your marketing skills are very limited.

You need intelligent business men and women to market quality products online, if your new TE is going to succeed. jmpennyfeather may or may not have an affiliate program. If they do, now would be the time to see if they would let you sell their products. I would love one of their gold nib pens for Christmas. You should be looking for products to fill that market. My birthday is only a few months away, so I hope you can get an affiliate deal with them and be nice to me. HINT HINT.

You are on the right track and that is where TEs need to go 'back to.' I remember back in the beginning when some of the TEs that had category choices essentially became virtual malls. You could fill many different categories with sites from ShareaSale and CommissionJunction. Much has been lost in the way of the traffic exchange. Too much of the roots have been long forgotten. There are so many things that have changed on the internet itself that have all had affect on traffic exchanges. What is emerging now is more self employed people, people making things, and selling them out of their home. More people are learning they need to become more self-reliant. It is one thing to create a personal website, or, as most people do and stop there, is make a business page on Facebook. But, the cost of promotion on Facebook, or Google Adwords is outrageous anymore averaging at least $1 per click. Even Ebay is not as cheap as it once was. Some use Craigslist but even though it is free, it is not very effective for selling in mass. There is a whole market of real legit online businesses with physical products and are based out of people's homes and they need cheap advertising. Nobody is going after this massively emerging market that has a great need to be filled. But, in part, that is what I am working on, to bring back what once existed and modernize it.

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 04:23 AM
All you are doing here is pissing in the wind.....You sounding like the cat with feathers falling out of it's mouth that claims it didn't eat the bird....

As if I haven't realized that already... After 40 posts, a person tends to eventually get a clue.

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 04:47 AM
It is not a loose definition....A pyramid or ponzi scheme is a scam....Only a fool would argue this point....
But me my guest and give it a shot as it will be fun to watch you make a fool of yourself....

I have no problem being that fool!

Tell me of one site that pays only level of commissions, straight affiliate based format, that is a pyramid or ponzi scheme? All I ask is of you is to get your facts straight before you go calling my site a scam site or even allude to my site being a pyramid or ponzi scheme.

If you are saying my site is a 'scam site' because of what my members advertise, then that is a matter of opinion, and I consider that loosely based, just as I consider my site being libeled as a 'scam site' based on who promotes it, and the similarity of the name to another site. If the latter is not 'loosely based' we have some very opposing views of the definition of loose.

Make yourself more clear in the future because it has taken me a very long to realize that what you refer to as a 'scam site' has a whole different assumed definition for someone who is not hip to your lingo in this forum and is very easily taken the wrong way, as we have both seen and wasted so much time bashing our heads together.

path2prosperity
05-31-2012, 05:14 AM
That's dream land talk mate......

Bit by bit groups like those who post at RS have chipped away till we now at the point where it's really only the diehars left and very few newbies joining these scams...

That was the point that I was trying to make "okosh." The need for real crap produce will never dry up. The life cycle of the dung beetle who needs crap for food and shelter is fascinating.

The market for cyberspace crap is dimnishing but the blowhards, (as you call them) keep on spewing crap message in unpoliced cybespace environents. The most idiotic are those who claim that their God or Gods are behind them and Satan is behind "We Naysayers." Even more ridiculous is the claim that the chosen cybespace community has a HQ on the "Mountain of Love"

That sort of crap gets under my skin so I had better close the computer to prepare for two days hard slog selling at Epsom races. The Oaks is this Friday and the Derby is on Saturday.

okosh
05-31-2012, 05:36 AM
As if I haven't realized that already... After 40 posts, a person tends to eventually get a clue.

Ya think??....I was starting to wonder if you were ever gonna get it.....In fact I was about to ask admin to give you your own thread right next door to monkey brain....



Make yourself more clear in the future because it has taken me a very long to realize that what you refer to as a 'scam site' has a whole different assumed definition for someone who is not hip to your lingo in this forum and is very easily taken the wrong way, as we have both seen and wasted so much time bashing our heads together.

Next time I'll type a bit slower for you....))

You're a joke...It's not as though I ever use big fancy words to try to confuse anyone....i talk simple Aussie...errrr....I mean english that anyone can understand....

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 05:45 AM
Ya think??....I was starting to wonder if you were ever gonna get it.....In fact I was about to ask admin to give you your own thread right next door to monkey brain....



Next time I'll type a bit slower for you....))

You're a joke...It's not as though I ever use big fancy words to try to confuse anyone....i talk simple Aussie...errrr....I mean english that anyone can understand....

Don't type too slow, the anticipation would kill me!

Lil Ol' Radical Me
05-31-2012, 05:59 AM
Extract from post #151 by Paul Coonon
I too am disgusted with what is out there. There are very few 'real' opportunities out there anymore compared to what there used to be. There are a lot more hit and run sites than there used to be. I can see the point of view that says traffic exchanges enable scams sites to be promoted. But I also believe that the enabling is indirect. Nobody buys and runs a traffic exchange with the idea in mind that they are doing it so scam sites have a place to advertise. Conversely, a person could also argue that scam sites enable traffic exchanges to live. Realistically, it is a sick symbiotic relationship.


Extract from post# 163 by Paul Coonon
All I want is for someone here to show some accountability and take responsibility for the irresponsible actions taken on behalf of, and in representation of, this forum.

Ok Paul, and all some of us here want is for someone on the TEs to take some responsibility for their approval of scam sites on their exchanges. You cant have your cake and eat it.

Turning a blind eye doesn't work for me.

You mention billboards advertising alcohol as being irresponsible. I'll drink to that and would like to see them banned. It is not impossible. There are many countries that have eventually banned the advertising of tobacco on their TV stations, billboards and print media. Who would have thought that possible 40 years ago? Times change. Just because one wrong is permitted, it doesnt make it right or acceptable.

You seem to be arguing with yourself on this forum. You defend the traffic exchanges as the poor innocent victims who are more or less forced to accept HYIP, ponzi, pyramid and other get rich quick scheme ads and at the same time suggest that maybe TEs need the scam sites to live. Having visited the NetMarketingForum many times, it is easy to see that the principal TE owners are nobody's fools. I also suspect that the new generation of TE owners are perfectly aware of the type of sites that will advertise on their TEs before they start. So what reason do they have for not exercising some control of what is advertised in their houses? $$$$?

TEs dont work for product and service advertising - if they ever did. They do work for scam recruitment. Been there and bought the T shirt. There is no way that I would ever put a respectable product business site on a TE to avoid damaging its reputation by association. If you have some new idea to restore commercial viability for members of bona fide businesses to the TEs, I wish you well. In the meantime, recognizing the present state of TEs for what it is, wouldn't do any harm.

The concept of guilt by assocation (fair or not) comes to mind. There is an old spanish expression - if you tell me in whose company you spend your time, I'll tell you who you are. Which is what started off this thread isn't it?

littleroundman
05-31-2012, 06:20 AM
TEs dont work for product and service advertising - if they ever did.

Putting aside intent for a minute, it's a simple question to ask how many traffic exchanges would survive WITHOUT HYIPs, ponzis, pyramids, get-rich-quick schemes and pseudo MLMs.

While it is true there's a whole substrata of modern society which has grown up in a time when HYIPs, ponzis, pyramids, get-rich-quick schemes and pseudo MLMs have continued to flourish and a further group to whom it's perfectly acceptable to profit by defrauding others via the use of HYIPs, ponzis, pyramids, get-rich-quick schemes and pseudo MLMs, thankfully both groups remain a small, if somewhat over represented minority.

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 07:46 AM
Ok Paul, and all some of us here want is for someone on the TEs to take some responsibility for their approval of scam sites on their exchanges.

So what reason do they have for not exercising some control of what is advertised in their houses?

Reality is it won't happen. I am not defending traffic exchanges, only pointing out facts. It won't happen because of the current state of traffic exchange industry. If one owner makes the decision to weed out every known scam, the people wanting to promote those kinds of sites have over 1000 other tes to choose from that will allow them to promote what they want to promote. Back in the good ol days when there were less than 10 known tes, filtering of sites was much easier to make as an industry standard. An alternative, which would also never work because there are so many tes out there, is for all te owners to get together and agree on a standard. But getting all the owners of 1000+ tes to agree on something like that is impossible.

So where is the middle ground? Coalitions? Those coalitions have to come from the biggest sites on down if an example is going to be set. Maybe a large enough coalition of smaller sites that all agreed to certain standards could work as well, but even that possibility is far from any guarantee of an industry wide standard taken hold.

Now let's look at something else. There are 2 external sites that do all the site checking services for about 80% - 90% of all the traffic exchanges out there. Those 2 sites have lots of power and control over the majority of the industry. I might be overestimating how much control they really have, but I know those 2 sites have the ability to black list sites across nearly all traffic exchanges. I know this because I had a site blacklisted because it mistakenly got flagged by google as a malware site. But even this would not have a permanent affect because I guarantee you another site checking service would appear that would be more loose, or te owners would have their scripts modified so they would not have to depend on a 3rd party site for site checking service.

IMO, the only way to set a new standard is to raise the bar to a new level never seen before. And I mean a really high bar that creates new industry standards! On top of that, it can't be another out-of-the-box script. It has to be completely custom and have an appeal that no other traffic exchange has nor has ever had. I am not talking about a gimmick either. I am talking about something very real, and never before seen anywhere. There are a handful of tes out there that are unique in the fact they give you like 3 or 4 choices of sites for your next site to view essentially letting you choose your own browsing path. But that is still not enough! What I mean by not enough is not enough user control! But that is as far as I am going with this. I don't want to reveal too much of what I have been working on.

You mentioned tes do not work for product and service advertising. They don't in the current state of the industry, but, yes, they once did 10 years ago. There were plenty tangible products and services on ClickThru.net back then. But many outside influences also affected that over time. There is a way to make it happen again. I just don't think there are enough people thinking outside the box, too many people comfortable with the status quo.

I do recognize the current state of the te industry. I have watched it develop since there was only one single traffic exchange on the net. I have been personally involved with many tes in very unique ways that have allowed me to see things from angles most people never see. I have been analyzing the ins and outs, the pros and cons, and observing and listening to the issues and struggles of both site owners and their members in depth. Being here in this thread has been enlightening.

I agree that the current state of the traffic exchange industry is in very poor shape, and I base my opinion on knowing how things were in the very beginning over a decade ago. One might say I am defending traffic exchanges, but I will say I do have faith in the industry evolving to the next level. It only takes a pioneer to get the ball rolling.

In the current state of the traffic exchange industry, it can't fix itself. It is going to take a pioneer that can lead the industry to uncharted territories, that can set new standards that are attractive to both members and te owners. Will I be that pioneer? I don't know! I am only working on a new concept for a te that will stand out far from all the others. Whether people like it or not, only time will tell.

Lil Ol' Radical Me
05-31-2012, 09:21 AM
Reality is it won't happen. I am not defending traffic exchanges, only pointing out facts. It won't happen because of the current state of traffic exchange industry. If one owner makes the decision to weed out every known scam, the people wanting to promote those kinds of sites have over 1000 other tes to choose from that will allow them to promote what they want to promote. Back in the good ol days when there were less than 10 known tes, filtering of sites was much easier to make as an industry standard. An alternative, which would also never work because there are so many tes out there, is for all te owners to get together and agree on a standard. But getting all the owners of 1000+ tes to agree on something like that is impossible.

So where is the middle ground? Coalitions? Those coalitions have to come from the biggest sites on down if an example is going to be set. Maybe a large enough coalition of smaller sites that all agreed to certain standards could work as well, but even that possibility is far from any guarantee of an industry wide standard taken hold.

Now let's look at something else. There are 2 external sites that do all the site checking services for about 80% - 90% of all the traffic exchanges out there. Those 2 sites have lots of power and control over the majority of the industry. I might be overestimating how much control they really have, but I know those 2 sites have the ability to black list sites across nearly all traffic exchanges. I know this because I had a site blacklisted because it mistakenly got flagged by google as a malware site. But even this would not have a permanent affect because I guarantee you another site checking service would appear that would be more loose, or te owners would have their scripts modified so they would not have to depend on a 3rd party site for site checking service.

IMO, the only way to set a new standard is to raise the bar to a new level never seen before. And I mean a really high bar that creates new industry standards! On top of that, it can't be another out-of-the-box script. It has to be completely custom and have an appeal that no other traffic exchange has nor has ever had. I am not talking about a gimmick either. I am talking about something very real, and never before seen anywhere. There are a handful of tes out there that are unique in the fact they give you like 3 or 4 choices of sites for your next site to view essentially letting you choose your own browsing path. But that is still not enough! What I mean by not enough is not enough user control! But that is as far as I am going with this. I don't want to reveal too much of what I have been working on.

You mentioned tes do not work for product and service advertising. They don't in the current state of the industry, but, yes, they once did 10 years ago. There were plenty tangible products and services on ClickThru.net back then. But many outside influences also affected that over time. There is a way to make it happen again. I just don't think there are enough people thinking outside the box, too many people comfortable with the status quo.

I do recognize the current state of the te industry. I have watched it develop since there was only one single traffic exchange on the net. I have been personally involved with many tes in very unique ways that have allowed me to see things from angles most people never see. I have been analyzing the ins and outs, the pros and cons, and observing and listening to the issues and struggles of both site owners and their members in depth. Being here in this thread has been enlightening.

I agree that the current state of the traffic exchange industry is in very poor shape, and I base my opinion on knowing how things were in the very beginning over a decade ago. One might say I am defending traffic exchanges, but I will say I do have faith in the industry evolving to the next level. It only takes a pioneer to get the ball rolling.

In the current state of the traffic exchange industry, it can't fix itself. It is going to take a pioneer that can lead the industry to uncharted territories, that can set new standards that are attractive to both members and te owners. Will I be that pioneer? I don't know! I am only working on a new concept for a te that will stand out far from all the others. Whether people like it or not, only time will tell.

interesting and thoughtful post Paul, from which one derives that it is possible for the TEs to control the content of the sites in rotation but that they won't because they will lose money. It comes down to will and $$$ and nothing else. Ergo - for now anything goes, which means that TEs will have to live with the accusation of being scam enablers if they do not wish to change their site approval criteria.

However as LRM has already pointed out
While it is true there's a whole substrata of modern society which has grown up in a time when HYIPs, ponzis, pyramids, get-rich-quick schemes and pseudo MLMs have continued to flourish and a further group to whom it's perfectly acceptable to profit by defrauding others via the use of HYIPs, ponzis, pyramids, get-rich-quick schemes and pseudo MLMs, thankfully both groups remain a small, if somewhat over represented minority.

I dont know about 10 years ago, but 6 or 7 years ago TEs never worked for product sales or "real traffic" for us. It simply gave us an artificial peaks in views which looked good on paper and Alexa but had no bearing at all on sales or sales enquiries. That included TEs that were business specific. Maybe others had different experiences but exchanging site views with other sellers never seemed to be very practical. There are plenty of ecommerce sites other than eBay that do the job better and many are free to list. With the advent of the nearly universal use of the internet, the days of one ebay and one TE have long gone and their owners need to adapt to the times and it is their choice if they wish to take a route to foment legal business or the reverse

scratchycat
05-31-2012, 09:33 AM
Thanks kitty....You're too kind :RpS_smile:

I know Okosh it is just another of my 'faults'!

Whip
05-31-2012, 09:37 AM
Ok Paul, and all some of us here want is for someone on the TEs to take some responsibility for their approval of scam sites on their exchanges. You cant have your cake and eat it.

Turning a blind eye doesn't work for me.

You mention billboards advertising alcohol as being irresponsible. I'll drink to that and would like to see them banned. It is not impossible. There are many countries that have eventually banned the advertising of tobacco on their TV stations, billboards and print media. Who would have thought that possible 40 years ago? Times change. Just because one wrong is permitted, it doesnt make it right or acceptable.

You seem to be arguing with yourself on this forum. You defend the traffic exchanges as the poor innocent victims who are more or less forced to accept HYIP, ponzi, pyramid and other get rich quick scheme ads and at the same time suggest that maybe TEs need the scam sites to live. Having visited the NetMarketingForum many times, it is easy to see that the principal TE owners are nobody's fools. I also suspect that the new generation of TE owners are perfectly aware of the type of sites that will advertise on their TEs before they start. So what reason do they have for not exercising some control of what is advertised in their houses? $$$$?

TEs dont work for product and service advertising - if they ever did. They do work for scam recruitment. Been there and bought the T shirt. There is no way that I would ever put a respectable product business site on a TE to avoid damaging its reputation by association. If you have some new idea to restore commercial viability for members of bona fide businesses to the TEs, I wish you well. In the meantime, recognizing the present state of TEs for what it is, wouldn't do any harm.

The concept of guilt by assocation (fair or not) comes to mind. There is an old spanish expression - if you tell me in whose company you spend your time, I'll tell you who you are. Which is what started off this thread isn't it?

I'm pretty sure you know that alcohol and tobacco are legal right? If and when they become illegal, I don't think we'll see and billboards unless they are like the warning billboards for how bad crack is. Don't get sucked in by the bullshitter.

scratchycat
05-31-2012, 09:46 AM
And since I am not a traffic exchange owner nor do I run a traffic exchange, posting my public information is relevant how?


I would still like an answer to my above question.

Curosity on my part. I had never heard of you or your companies before, so I posted what I found. Why not, like you said it is pubic info? However, your site looks a lot like a TE but I would guess now that you call it an Advertising company. Where was your name and company mentioned in this thread? Jon Olson and TEs were the subject but I know I make mistakes and when it comes to KCV promoting anything, I question it and that is my own opinion. Is that the answer you wanted?

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 09:51 AM
interesting and thoughtful post Paul, from which one derives that it is possible for the TEs to control the content of the sites in rotation but that they won't because they will lose money. It comes down to will and $$$ and nothing else. Ergo - for now anything goes, which means that TEs will have to live with the accusation of being scam enablers if they do not wish to change their site approval criteria.

Absolutely. It's money that makes the world go round. As long as there is no legal obligation to the te owner regarding content of 3rd party sites being advertised, who is going to change and give up income because they feel morally obligated? Especially when money is tight for most people these days and a few extra bucks can mean the world to many. In addition, if the industry leaders won't take a moral pledge why would any of the little guys? If the industry leaders took a moral pledge and stuck with it, everyone else could be shamed into conforming. But as long as the industry leaders continue to set the mainstream example, there is no shame.

scratchycat
05-31-2012, 09:56 AM
True, I do not know you or who you may know.

What does that matter when all I am asking is how my public data being hosted here has any relevance to traffic exchanges. And I would also like to know the relevance of posting the public data of site owners I do not know and presenting them as if there is some connection to me?

Is that too much to ask? If you cannot give a straight answer to those questions, instead of giving me this 'it's my house' attitude, then it truly leaves your methods of defining what sites are scams and certainly your credibility to question. Let's not forget the reason why I am here in the first place. My site was labeled a scam by someone in your forum based on 2 criteria. 1) The fact of one particular person who was found to be promoting my site, and 2) based on the fact that the name of my site is similar to the name of another site which is owned by someone I don't even know. Those 2 criteria alone leave your credibility to question.

If you want to take your ball and go back in your house, go ahead. But if you want to defend your and this site's credibility, answer the questions that I have been asking since I first started posting 4 pages ago. You have done nothing but avoid my questions that I have been asking since post 1.

It seems to me you came here with an attitude and question the validity of all RS members. So, yes, we question you and just what it is that you are defending.


1) The fact of one particular person who was found to be promoting my site, and 2) based on the fact that the name of my site is similar to the name of another site which is owned by someone I don't even know. Those 2 criteria alone leave your credibility to question.

The one particular person you must be referring to here has been the subject of many discussions here in RS. You might want to check out some of them. To have your site promoted by this person would be a reason for anyone to question it. Which sites are we talking about here? Originally it was about Tim Tech and a thread started in Scamland about some RS members.


If you want to take your ball and go back in your house, go ahead. But if you want to defend your and this site's credibility, answer the questions that I have been asking since I first started posting 4 pages ago. You have done nothing but avoid my questions that I have been asking since post 1.

I believe this is LRM's house. Why should he have to answer to you? He already stated, the question has been answered several times. Maybe by joining us you have learned a few more things and it sounds like you have come up with a brilliant program to top all TEs and I, for one, just can't wait to see what you come up with.

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 10:09 AM
Curosity on my part. I had never heard of you or your companies before, so I posted what I found. Why not, like you said it is pubic info? However, your site looks a lot like a TE but I would guess now that you call it an Advertising company. Where was your name and company mentioned in this thread? Jon Olson and TEs were the subject but I know I make mistakes and when it comes to KCV promoting anything, I question it and that is my own opinion. Is that the answer you wanted?

Those comments you quoted were directed at the little round guy who was really pushing my buttons and avoiding every question I asked. I know you were the one posting the info you found but you and I are good, no worries, water under the bridge ;-)

I only wish Oshkosh would have explained to me 5 pages ago that 'scam site' and 'scam' are not the same. It would have saved me from the aneurysm I almost had! I guess I am the fool for assuming that 'scam' and 'scam site' were the same thing.

scratchycat
05-31-2012, 10:14 AM
Those comments you quoted were directed at the little round guy who was really pushing my buttons and avoiding every question I asked. I know you were the one posting the info you found but you and I are good, no worries, water under the bridge ;-)

I only wish Oshkosh would have explained to me 5 pages ago that 'scam site' and 'scam' are not the same. It would have saved me from the aneurysm I almost had! I guess I am the fool for assuming that 'scam' and 'scam site' were the same thing.

Well great, I am glad you and I are good and no worries. Now I can go house hunting with a clear conscience! :RpS_smile:

PaulCoonan
05-31-2012, 10:26 AM
It seems to me you came here with an attitude and question the validity of all RS members. So, yes, we question you and just what it is that you are defending.



The one particular person you must be referring to here has been the subject of many discussions here in RS. You might want to check out some of them. To have your site promoted by this person would be a reason for anyone to question it. Which sites are we talking about here? Originally it was about Tim Tech and a thread started in Scamland about some RS members.



I believe this is LRM's house. Why should he have to answer to you? He already stated, the question has been answered several times. Maybe by joining us you have learned a few more things and it sounds like you have come up with a brilliant program to top all TEs and I, for one, just can't wait to see what you come up with.

Once again, this was all directed at LRM, who, as an admin and senior rep of this forum I hold to a higher accountability and I felt I was not getting the answers I deserved.

Of course I came in with an attitude. Someone stated my site was a scam and I felt obligated to defend my honor and things got worse and out of hand when people were not giving me any answers to my satisfaction, if I got any answers at all.

It's done, it's over, we are back to talking about traffic exchanges again. As to the one I am building, realistically I'm looking at about another year on top the 1.5 I have already put into it before it is ready.

path2prosperity
06-01-2012, 01:47 AM
You are on the right track. There is a whole market of real legit online businesses with physical products and are based out of people's homes and they need cheap advertising. Nobody is going after this massively emerging market that has a great need to be filled. But, in part, that is what I am working on, to bring back what once existed and modernize it.

You are on the right track now Paul. History will be the judge and jury of the traffic exchange "industry." I have very hazy memories of the first click through one because I only glanced at it and saw that it was not the same model as the ten or so MPAM ones. Who were they? I remember Click something, TrafficG, ILoveHits, StartExchange, HitSafari?, WebmasterQuest, MPAMExchange. TimTech is beginning to look like something based on MPAM "philosopy" which was on a par with Maxwell philosophy. "Whip" quite aptly described MPAM as A SHODY PASSIVE ADVERTISIMG MACHINE built to SPAM.

What were the other ten or so leaders and MPAM recommended tes? I do not think Adlandpro was one of the ten as it was a text traffic exchange. TrafficG was the first with geo targeting and it was one of the first multi category exchanges. It was best of the lot of them in my opinion.

You had to join Adlandpro as an affiliate to get some of the MPAM awards.

Where is Michael Russel in the TE grubstakes now?

I remember TonyTezak being generally regarded as King of TrafficExchange sub culture. An associate of Jon Olson? I found it interesting to see that Tony is listed as one of BoggyBoy's friends on Facebook. What are Tony's origins? The traffic "industry" is not an industry. It is a blot on the landscape owned by a few Rupert Murdock style tycoons who have had their day. 1000 traffic exchanges are no threat to a new generation, if the old generstion are all based on rotting foundations.

okosh
06-01-2012, 02:56 AM
[COLOR="#0000CD"]Curosity on my part.

Oh please don't be curious kitty....We all know what curiosity did to the cat and I'd hate to lose you :RpS_wink:

Little River Band (BSG) - Curiousity killed the cat --LIVE(HD) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49aBfO8MHRc&feature=related)

okosh
06-01-2012, 02:57 AM
I only wish Oshkosh would have explained to me 5 pages ago that 'scam site' and 'scam' are not the same. It would have saved me from the aneurysm I almost had! I guess I am the fool for assuming that 'scam' and 'scam site' were the same thing.

Oy vei...What a meshuganeh.....

scratchycat
06-01-2012, 11:08 AM
Oh please don't be curious kitty....We all know what curiosity did to the cat and I'd hate to lose you :RpS_wink:

Little River Band (BSG) - Curiousity killed the cat --LIVE(HD) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49aBfO8MHRc&feature=related)

That's me, a Crazy Cat!! :crazy: Kitty's got 9 lives and I am working on my last 2!! Thanks for the video!!

scratchycat
06-01-2012, 05:08 PM
Well TEs, Advertising teams, MLM pushers we have a new one showing up on Facebook. Perhaps you have already heard about it:

My Lead System PRO - MLSP - MyLeadSystemPRO (http://www.mlmleadsystempro.com/)

They are bragging about $1,800 day. People on FB are afraid they have already missed out on the big Webinar.

A little digging got this:

Registrant:
Upward Enterprises, LLC

8605 Santa Monica Blvd #32665
Los Angeles, California 90069
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (Go Daddy Mobile - Domain Search, Go Daddy Commercials (http://www.godaddy.com))
Domain Name: MLMLEADSYSTEMPRO.COM
Created on: 09-Jul-08
Expires on: 09-Jul-15
Last Updated on: 08-Jan-11

Administrative Contact:
Schlomer - Manager, Todd upwardenterprises@gmail.com
Upward Enterprises, LLC
8605 Santa Monica Blvd #32665
Los Angeles, California 90069
United States
+1.8662843366

Technical Contact:
Schlomer - Manager, Todd upwardenterprises@gmail.com
Upward Enterprises, LLC
8605 Santa Monica Blvd #32665
Los Angeles, California 90069
United States
+1.8662843366

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.P24.DYNECT.NET
NS2.P24.DYNECT.NET
NS3.P24.DYNECT.NET
NS4.P24.DYNECT.NET

Registrant:
Upward Enterprises, LLC
8605 Santa Monica Blvd #32665
Los Angeles, California 90069
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (Go Daddy Mobile - Domain Search, Go Daddy Commercials (http://www.godaddy.com))
Domain Name: SEVENFIGUREMASTERMINDTEAM.COM
Created on: 11-Jul-08
Expires on: 11-Jul-15
Last Updated on: 26-Jun-11

Administrative Contact:
Schlomer - Manager, Todd
Upward Enterprises, LLC
8605 Santa Monica Blvd #32665
Los Angeles, California 90069
United States
+1.8662843366

Technical Contact:
Schlomer - Manager, Todd
Upward Enterprises, LLC
8605 Santa Monica Blvd #32665
Los Angeles, California 90069
United States
+1.8662843366

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.P24.DYNECT.NET
NS2.P24.DYNECT.NET
NS3.P24.DYNECT.NET

is associated with about 1,314 domains

SevenFigureMastermindTeam.com - MLM Millionaire Secrets | Mastermind Team (http://whois.domaintools.com/sevenfiguremastermindteam.com)

This is information only, I am not saying these 1,000+ programs are anything other than what they say they are. I found some other names but my connection got real slow and patience wore thin. Maybe someone else can find more. I was sent an invite by someone who quotes Bible Scripture all the time and there is a lot mingled in with this get rich quick (program).

PaulCoonan
06-01-2012, 05:51 PM
You are on the right track now Paul. History will be the judge and jury of the traffic exchange "industry." I have very hazy memories of the first click through one because I only glanced at it and saw that it was not the same model as the ten or so MPAM ones. Who were they? I remember Click something, TrafficG, ILoveHits, StartExchange, HitSafari?, WebmasterQuest, MPAMExchange. TimTech is beginning to look like something based on MPAM "philosopy" which was on a par with Maxwell philosophy. "Whip" quite aptly described MPAM as A SHODY PASSIVE ADVERTISIMG MACHINE built to SPAM.

What were the other ten or so leaders and MPAM recommended tes? I do not think Adlandpro was one of the ten as it was a text traffic exchange. TrafficG was the first with geo targeting and it was one of the first multi category exchanges. It was best of the lot of them in my opinion.

You had to join Adlandpro as an affiliate to get some of the MPAM awards.

Where is Michael Russel in the TE grubstakes now?

I remember TonyTezak being generally regarded as King of TrafficExchange sub culture. An associate of Jon Olson? I found it interesting to see that Tony is listed as one of BoggyBoy's friends on Facebook. What are Tony's origins? The traffic "industry" is not an industry. It is a blot on the landscape owned by a few Rupert Murdock style tycoons who have had their day. 1000 traffic exchanges are no threat to a new generation, if the old generstion are all based on rotting foundations.

I believe the one you are trying to remember is ClickThru.net. That is the original first ever traffic exchange. The site is still live. Another of the founding TEs that got big was IloveHits.com. Not a live TE anymore. The domain is now owned by Sean Supplee and used to direct to one of his sites.

I remember well when webmasterquest and trafficg came online. They took the net by storm big time when they launched. Between webmasterquest and trafficg, those 2 sites set a new standard back then. They were way ahead of the curve.

I think I was a member of MPAM but was not involved with it much.

I didn't keep tabs on many people.I really know nothing about Michael Russell personally.

Tezak, I didn't know him back the in the day and don't know much about him now. I know who he is but all I really know is he was once a heavy surfer at many sites turned site owner.

path2prosperity
06-02-2012, 12:39 AM
I believe the one you are trying to remember is ClickThru.net. That is the original first ever traffic exchange. The site is still live. Another of the founding TEs that got big was IloveHits.com. Not a live TE anymore. The domain is now owned by Sean Supplee and used to direct to one of his sites.

I remember well when webmasterquest and trafficg came online. They took the net by storm big time when they launched. Between webmasterquest and trafficg, those 2 sites set a new standard back then. They were way ahead of the curve.

I think I was a member of MPAM but was not involved with it much.

I didn't keep tabs on many people.I really know nothing about Michael Russell personally.

Tezak, I didn't know him back the in the day and don't know much about him now. I know who he is but all I really know is he was once a heavy surfer at many sites turned site owner.

Some of the original TEs had really worthwhile products and services which people other than scammers wanted to buy. The owner of TrafficG provides a superlative web hosting package with excellent customer support and an affiliate program. All4Hosting (http://all4hosting.com)

path2prosperity
06-02-2012, 01:02 AM
I believe the one you are trying to remember is ClickThru.net. That is the original first ever traffic exchange. The site is still live. Another of the founding TEs that got big was IloveHits.com. Not a live TE anymore. The domain is now owned by Sean Supplee and used to direct to one of his sites.



I am pretty sure that Jon Olson owns ILoveHits and that he is a co owner of TimTech. He started out with good intentions but RS members have uncovered a nest of people trading Fred Mann cons on ILoveHits. Jon will have to change tack of bite the dust. Good traffic exchanges with responsible owners are a small core of people who could create a new generation if they wanted to stop promoting known scams or scammers.

Sellers do sell to other sellers if they are in close communication. I traded in antiques for a while and sold to the trade rather than the public. There are small villages and antique fairs where dealers sell to the general public and to each other.

Antique dealers have different buyers whom they can contact if they see something saleable in another sellers shop. It makes sense to buy the item for a small profit and share the profit with neighbours in the trade. They can consult one another, if they suspect that something is a fake. I used to cycle up one part of Fulham in SWLondon to buy small items and cycle down another part of Fulham to sell the goods in an area closer to fashionable Chelsea.

The argument that nobody wants to buy from others trying to sell is not completely true. Junk merchants are one thing and responsible traders exist in most communities offline so they must also exist in cyberspace.

path2prosperity
06-02-2012, 02:36 AM
TEs dont work for product and service advertising - if they ever did.

They did at one time LORM. I found my web hosting service from an advertisement on a TE.

You and I were both lured into Scamland by some sort of advertisment. Was it a TE in your case? Both of us have gained a lot of knowledge from our experiences in Scamland. I recon that Scamland provides a very good training for scambusters. You live and learn to think on your feet in places like that.

scratchycat
06-06-2012, 09:18 AM
Traffic Exchange Mayhem 2012 scary Paul Kinder - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G-41_jiErM&feature=share)

The TEs have a new voice!!

This is my first ever vid and yes I know, it's soooo professional. Mum will be so proud :-) youtube says I should add a Cute tag - don't you think I'm more scary than cute!??? If you'd like more MayHem info visit:
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Paul Kinder

Woot! Today, we have TOTAL TE MAYhem with all 12 traffic exchanges involved!

TOTAL TE MAYhem is at Traffic-Splash, 247 Traffic Pro, Blue-Surf, Dragon Surf, Fast Easy Traffic, Grade A Traffic, Hit Safari, Soaring 4 Traffic, Tezak Traffic Power, Traffic Bonus, Web Biz Insider and Website Traffic Hog.



Today, At Each Exchange you can win could be a WINNER of one of 2 $5 Prizes, or one of 5 $2 Prizes. We will be giving away that at EACH Exchange. So there will be a total of $240 given away. Surf a Little… Surf a Lot… May-Be You Win!

scratchycat
06-06-2012, 09:23 AM
There are so many traffic exchanges!! Are these another way of scamming people?? Just a question because there are red flags everywhere!!



Without the help from the people like Paul Kinder, William Brant, Jon Olson and Mike Paetzold at the weekly seminars, I would have never been able to build the solid foundation that I have now.
Within less than 3 months I was able to grow my list to just under 2227 members and my business is growing by leaps and bounds!
The best thing that has ever happened to me or my business were direct results from using Affiliate Funnel. Hands down. These guys are great!
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Traffic Taxis is developing into a very interesting traffic exchange. Innovative management and quality customer service guarantee a very good flow of quality traffic with highly active members and good conversion rates. Highly recommended.

~Paul Kinder Traffic-Splash free manual surf traffic exchange (http://www.traffic-splash.com)

scratchycat
06-06-2012, 09:27 AM
The last statement in their TOC makes you wonder...


Do you have Google ads on your site? - Google could delete your adsense account if they catch you rotating your blog or site with Google ads on it in a traffic exchange. It is against their TOS.

TrafficTaxis | Manual Traffic Exchange, Free Website Traffic, Buy Website Traffic, Increase Web Traffic, Free Advertsing (http://www.traffictaxis.com/terms.php)


emails.

Traffic Taxis reserves the right to refuse any advertisement and/or website that we feel is inappropriate. This includes but is not limited to the following types of programs:



- Sites that contain extreme adult content
- Pornography, racial or hate issues, vulgar language, illegal content.
- Sites promoting HYIP programs
- All auto surf programs
- All investment surfs, gambling
- Paid-to-click, paid-to-read, and paid-to-promote programs
- Randomizer programs
- Any other program which TrafficTaxis deems inappropriate

Would have to join to see what sites they are promoting...

path2prosperity
06-06-2012, 05:52 PM
There are so many traffic exchanges!! Are these another way of scamming people?? Just a question because there are red flags everywhere!!



It looks as if all they advertise are other traffic exchanges and or get rich programs to each other.

surfer
03-20-2014, 09:04 AM
Well, it looks like TimTech's foray into the PTC world has officially turned into a scam.

They have apparently sold off their NerdBux site to a guy named Jeffrey Johnson who is apparently notorious for running non-paying sites.

For one example, check out terms page in his site at 100dollarptc.com

It's good for a real hearty laugh.

littleroundman
03-20-2014, 10:41 AM
Well, it looks like TimTech's foray into the PTC world has officially turned into a scam.

They have apparently sold off their NerdBux site to a guy named Jeffrey Johnson who is apparently notorious for running non-paying sites.

For one example, check out terms page in his site at 100dollarptc.com

It's good for a real hearty laugh.

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag116/Little_Roundman/scams/terms_zps0fda6f77.jpg

100 Dollar PTC Terms (http://100dollarptc.com/index.php?view=terms)

Joe_Shmoe
03-20-2014, 03:15 PM
100 Dollar PTC Terms (http://100dollarptc.com/index.php?view=terms)


They seem fair enough to me :RpS_smile:






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blahblee
03-22-2014, 05:51 PM
STOP SPENDING MONEY OR PROMOTING ANYTHING TIMTECH They are nothing but a bunch of scam artists that use bots even for their traffic exchanges!

They treat people like **** use them and just take their money all the while back end laughing at those that get suckered into buying their BS Products this ranges from their most recent nerdbux TOTAL SCAM to their oldest ilovehits, startxchange,thumbvu,adkreator,clicktrackprofit(wh ere they promote cash badges out the ass but never award them lol), Doctor traffic a big so called trash co op that just delivered you over priced bot traffic. Sweeva which has no anti cheat and is a bunch of bot clickers, telist which i love lists their sites at the top and puts everyone else under them even though all other rankers list them at the bottom lol, trck.me total trash tracker where they scam people into thinking they need to track traffic on traffic exchanges.If the traffic exchange was run right then you wouldnt need to track it but those that do will see they get NO results. and best of all Listnerds there total failed attempt at a simple viral mailer they cant even do right.

SO STOP WASTING YOUR TIME AND YOUR MONEY!!!

littleroundman
03-22-2014, 11:15 PM
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