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Mike!
07-01-2010, 07:11 AM
LM has started a poll over on SCAM.COM, very similer to the one I ran a few weeks ago... I think this was one of the best things I've seen her do in my time there, please, if you are a member still, go vote!!!

What the hell does George want for this site? (http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=129660)

:RpS_thumbup:

fastmoney
07-01-2010, 07:12 AM
SOjustask, has opened a pole..

Please everyone still going there, vote..

MLM / Pyramid Scams (http://scam.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11)

fastmoney
07-01-2010, 07:15 AM
Len ordered me to take down my sig line.. Because he thinks I am talking about him

Calling your posters on a site you admin trolls. Class act..

Deleting peoples posts when you realize you cannot B.S. your way out of it., Coward act..

Closing threads so you can be the big man that gets the last word... Coward act..

Knowing that you are a chickenshit Loser with NOTHING but a big ego.. Priceless to all us TROLLS...

Sojustask
07-01-2010, 07:41 AM
Will someone please keep up with that pole today? So far, 5 votes for the Admin to step down. I appreciate that so far, no one has asked me to, LOL. But in case Len deletes it I would like the numbers to make a case to George about, or at least to be able to start a new thread with.

Thanks!

Lil Ol' Radical Me
07-01-2010, 08:13 AM
Dont mind voting, but to be honest, I'm quite happy with this new forum. An anti scam site owned by a porn site purveyor, with all the mucky crap that those guys get into our computers, doesnt really ring my bell.

Pity George didn't sell the site to "Len's trolls" when he had the chance.

GlimDropper
07-01-2010, 08:23 AM
I'll head over and vote in a moment, I do have one gentle word or caution first. I have no way of knowing if this is a feature in vB 3.6.8 but as an Admin on a 4.0.4 board, I can see exactly who voted and how they voted on any poll I want from the Admin CP. That being said I doubt it's much of an issue, I suspect he could guess how most everyone would vote anyway. :RpS_smile:

Emet
07-01-2010, 08:41 AM
It's already gone. :RpS_wink:

fastmoney
07-01-2010, 08:44 AM
Len is quick.. I do not think any of the other mods took it down..

So 7 votes for len to be thrown out.. I guess someone didnt want to know the truth..

GlimDropper
07-01-2010, 09:11 AM
Hmm, less than a half hour after Emet reports the poll thread is gone, the only one online who could have deleted it (besides me) is Zack. Interesting.



Edit:

MWave MWave is offline
Banned

Developing.

Emet
07-01-2010, 09:17 AM
scams - Announcements in Forum : MLM / Pyramid Scams (http://scam.com/announcement.php?f=11)

Hmm...

Doc Bunkum
07-01-2010, 09:21 AM
LM has started a poll over on SCAM.COM, very similer to the one I ran a few weeks ago... I think this was one of the best things I've seen her do in my time there, please, if you are a member still, go vote!!!

What the hell does George want for this site? (http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=129660)

:RpS_thumbup:

That's a hoot!

Click on that link and you get this: Message:

No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator

Do you think it's really worthwhile drawing it to the attention of Asshat McGoolagher? :Fiddler:

Soapboxmom
07-01-2010, 09:27 AM
I grabbed it before it joins everything else in the damned round file:

07-01-2010 until 08-01-2010
Zachary
Admin Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Lisbao, Portugal
Posts: 13


Everyone please calm down

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The site has been hacked beyond control and attacked. Google adwords are ceasing to exist. I am working out a million problems. The letters from lawyers and the cease and dissists are at an all time high. I am sorry I have been unable to address some of these other problems.
The poll had one glaring ommission. How about just take down this cesspool for an option? Stephanie again made the perfidious claim that the MLMers were not shown the same respect as all the other members and that has no truth to it whatsoever. I was always kind, fair and impartial. I cared for all our fine members and am very honored to welcome them here!

Soapboxmom

Whip
07-01-2010, 09:27 AM
scams - Show Groups (http://scam.com/showgroups.php?)
Seems someone's wings are finally clipped.

Doc Bunkum
07-01-2010, 09:52 AM
scams - Show Groups (http://scam.com/showgroups.php?)
Seems someone's wings are finally clipped.

I'll say!

There are moderators/supermoderators on that list that haven't been around for years - but Lenny's named vanished in an instant.

George must really be pissed with Lenny!

Soapboxmom
07-01-2010, 10:02 AM
Boohoo, I got the boot. I guess poor mislead Zachary / George thinks my Hubby did take down his cesspool. Hilarious! Will George make LM an admin so her reign of terror can continue with her having the teeth to really get her way or will he decide it is time to send her packing and find some honorable people to run that cesspool? Remember, he didn't know why she came back in 2009 and told the other Mods to do their own thing and ignore her. George usurping her supreme authority was the first nail in the coffin of that cesspool. It has been a rapid downhill descent ever since. :RpS_flapper:


Soapboxmom

A Life Aloft
07-01-2010, 02:28 PM
Boohoo, I got the boot. I guess poor mislead Zachary / George thinks my Hubby did take down his cesspool. Hilarious! Will George make LM an admin so her reign of terror can continue with her having the teeth to really get her way or will he decide it is time to send her packing and find some honorable people to run that cesspool? Remember, he didn't know why she came back in 2009 and told the other Mods to do their own thing and ignore her. George usurping her supreme authority was the first nail in the coffin of that cesspool. It has been a rapid downhill descent ever since. :RpS_flapper:


SoapboxmomThis why (among the dozens of other reasons) would anyone in their right mind fall for and believe anything that George or Lady Bitch has to say about anyone or anything? I still don't get it. You lie down with dogs, you get fleas. Nothing has changed. One asswipe is gone but the two biggest ones still remain.

Live&Learn
07-01-2010, 02:32 PM
Will someone please keep up with that pole today? So far, 5 votes for the Admin to step down. I appreciate that so far, no one has asked me to, LOL. But in case Len deletes it I would like the numbers to make a case to George about, or at least to be able to start a new thread with.

Thanks!

I would have voted for Lenny to be banned, except I was banned first. :RpS_lol:

Soapboxmom
07-01-2010, 06:14 PM
http://www.realscam.com/f22/gee-thanks-bunch-lady-mod-80/index2.html#post1387

The poll is preserved for posterity.

Soapboxmom

Sojustask
07-01-2010, 08:24 PM
Boohoo, I got the boot. I guess poor mislead Zachary / George thinks my Hubby did take down his cesspool. Hilarious! Will George make LM an admin so her reign of terror can continue with her having the teeth to really get her way or will he decide it is time to send her packing and find some honorable people to run that cesspool? Remember, he didn't know why she came back in 2009 and told the other Mods to do their own thing and ignore her. George usurping her supreme authority was the first nail in the coffin of that cesspool. It has been a rapid downhill descent ever since. :RpS_flapper:


Soapboxmom He knew why, he didn't want to admit it, but he knew. And I told him to leave you alone, I forwarded the PM before I left for work to Glim. And no, I won't be an Admin there or anywhere else for that matter. I don't want to be, never wanted to be. I told him to find someone who could be neutral to Admin that site or come back when he's emailed that there is a problem. What I got, and I will believe it when I see it, was a promise that he will be more available.

I'm sorry that he didn't respond to your emails and pleas, I forwarded every one you sent. I asked him several times if he had lost his mind. I had to make that pole as unantagonist as I could to keep it up as long as possible. Fast Money said it was a good pole and a good thread. I put myself on that chopping block as well, so get over it already.

Now, I have to go find that thread you guys have mentioned here and set the record straight. I don't deserve the credit for cleaning up the spam and I don't deserve false praise. And you know he's only doing it to smoosh me anyway. That wasn't necessary.

Soapboxmom
07-01-2010, 08:45 PM
Good luck with old George D. I did in fact contact him about Lenny Clements, Scam Promoter Extraordinaire, on his Facebook page, at goharddotcom and using georgeat guerillatraffic.com. The site is now covered in garbage ads again for another sleazy business that no doubt he is most likely promoting. I am thrilled to bust scams and advocate for consumers here. If George wants to turn Scam into his personal porn and garbage business promotion site it will continue on its fast downhill slide. Back to scambusting!

Soapboxmom

Unsaved Trash
07-01-2010, 09:20 PM
Stephanie - Since you're claiming total innocence here, then why did you say this in that poll (not pole)?



So, now we've gone from an extreme where every MLM supporter was ruthlessly attacked by both Mods and members to every MLM hater is being attacked by Admin?

Excuse me, but there are many, many pro-MLMers still on the site that were treated with the utmost respect. I received many PMs thanking me for their guidance in setting up their signature lines, sending them a nudge about spamming rather than banning them, and advising them of how the forum works. You might want to check out the ACN, Wow Mobile, and a few of the other threads. This comment above from you was directed at both SBM and myself. At least I have the gratitude from many of the pro-MLM people that thanked me for my help. And one of those pro-MLM people is the most prolific posters on the site whom was banned several times by Scambuster. Did both SBM and myself fight to the death to have him reinstated?

You may now apologize.

Sojustask
07-01-2010, 09:36 PM
Stephanie - Since you're claiming total innocence here, then why did you say this in that poll (not pole)?




Excuse me, but there are many, many pro-MLMers still on the site that were treated with the utmost respect. I received many PMs thanking me for their guidance in setting up their signature lines, sending them a nudge about spamming rather than banning them, and advising them of how the forum works. You might want to check out the ACN, Wow Mobile, and a few of the other threads. This comment above from you was directed at both SBM and myself. At least I have the gratitude from many of the pro-MLM people that thanked me for my help. And one of those pro-MLM people is the most prolific posters on the site whom was banned several times by Scambuster. Did both SBM and myself fight to the death to have him reinstated?

You may now apologize.

I'm not claiming total innocense. Who said I was?

The whole month Len was admin he used the angle that the MLM people were being treated unfairly and attacked ruthlessly before and he was going to change that. What part of that mantra did you miss? I threw his words, his explanation back in his face. I wasn't poking at you or Heather. But hey, if you think the shoe fits, by all means, feel free to wear it.

I have had lots of Pro MLM thank me, and lots of anti MLM people thank me. That's not a feather in one's cap to be nice and help people. It makes you a nice person. Truly awesome of you to use the gratitude of all those pro-MLMers to make yourself look good. Can't you just, look good because you are a good person?

And now, you have the opportunity here to continue being a good person. What will you do with such responsibility of being a decent human being?

Get over yourself. I don't owe you an apology for anything said in that post. It did what it was supposed to do. And a hell of a lot faster than I would have ever believed this morning.

A Life Aloft
07-01-2010, 09:45 PM
http://proudatheists.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/bullshit_meter.jpg

Unsaved Trash
07-01-2010, 10:04 PM
I'm not claiming total innocense. Who said I was?

The whole month Len was admin he used the angle that the MLM people were being treated unfairly and attacked ruthlessly before and he was going to change that. What part of that mantra did you miss? I threw his words, his explanation back in his face. I wasn't poking at you or Heather. But hey, if you think the shoe fits, by all means, feel free to wear it.

I have had lots of Pro MLM thank me, and lots of anti MLM people thank me. That's not a feather in one's cap to be nice and help people. It makes you a nice person. Truly awesome of you to use the gratitude of all those pro-MLMers to make yourself look good. Can't you just, look good because you are a good person?

And now, you have the opportunity here to continue being a good person. What will you do with such responsibility of being a decent human being?

Get over yourself. I don't owe you an apology for anything said in that post. It did what it was supposed to do. And a hell of a lot faster than I would have ever believed this morning.

Then what "mods" were you referring to? And this is why you truly are a bitch and Satan's Spawnette.

Soapboxmom
07-01-2010, 10:06 PM
Steph,

Scam is yours. Whatever else you need to say can be said over there. I am not interested in hearing anymore nonsense. I saved all the PMs and e-mails and the truth is painfully apparent to those who have read the volumes of information posted over the past few months. Good luck with George and the tattered remains of Scam.

Goodbye!

Soapboxmom

Soapboxmom
07-01-2010, 10:53 PM
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sojustask
Lady Moderator- Just call me Your Majesty Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: East Texas
Posts: 18,271


Setting the record straight.

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I just completed reading the Len is banned thread. Some of you crack me up.

But there are a few things I would like to say and set straight before it's back to business as usual around here.

First: I owe SoapBoxMom an apology for banning her in April. I misinterpreted her motives and acted rashly. We tend to do incredibly stupid things when there are fires to put out. And I was under the impression at the time that the fire that needed putting out was people being unhappy with the owner's decision to make Len the Admin of scam.com.

Obviously, after a month of waiting to see if things were going to quiet down, of watching good members leave in protest and eventually seeing that this guy, who can be very nice and rational when he's calm, was just not going to be able to maintain some semblance of neutrality, I came to a different conclusion and like the redhead I tend to be, took matters into my own hands and posted that thread calling him out. I also just wanted to see what people really wanted.

Boy, that thread disappeared quick from what I've been told.

I thought maybe SBM would come back and post some of her stuff again, but apparently, George is of a different mind. Maybe all the stuff she posted on quatloos and the forum she admins now was more than he wanted to stomach from a Mod who once said she was a fan and loved this site. So, I wish her well, a lot of good threads and a site that grows like gangbusters. OR, should that be scambusters?

To No_Moron_Here? I do not know why you left, from all your ranting and raving I've figured it was something to do with Len and his being an admin. I don't know why you say you got a permanent ban and find me somehow partly to blame but, for what it's worth, I wish you well and I hope you get over your "pissed off" soon.

Hopeful Cynic, thanks for being the voice of reason when I needed one. I really appreciate everything you've told me and your guidance. And, mostly your patience. I didn't deserve it but you did it anyway. I hope someday I can do as much for you.

Now, to set the record straight. George is a little too generous with his praise. I am not scam.com, all of you are. I'm not here that much these days. I check in regularly, but my life is really busy.

The praise and gratitude for this site goes to all those Mods who volunteered a year ago and to those who continue to actively moderate these forums who keep the spam away and take care of you guys and gals. I do not deserve it, truly, but thank you for thinking so.

As for an admin, we have one. His name is George, or Zachary, after 5 years he would probably answer to both out of sheer habit if nothing else. I do not aspire to the position, would not accept it unless it came with something useful, like blocking IPs of the spammers and nutcases that sometimes float in here.

He has promised that he will spend at least 1/2 hour a day on the site. I'm gonna hold him to that. A man's word is his bond and I take it seriously.

Fast Money, thanks for your help and input. It really worked well didn't it?

Lisa and Katie, your support and pep talks were greatly appreciated.

Thank you, all of you.

Now, let's get back to scam busting and be nice kids.

LOL


Lady Mod
Looks like closure for many just happened. I am thrilled to be building an exciting new community here with incredibly dedicated and talented people. Stephanie will now be rebuilding her site now that we have together run off the scourge that is Len Clements.

The incredible love for and loyalty I had for Scam and its valued members will be far surpassed by my love for and commitment to this incredible new site and the wonderful man who hired me, RS, my fellow admin Glimdropper and the posters that are the lifes' blood of this place. It took quite a bit to convince that stubborn man Glim that he was in fact the perfect man for an admin job. He soon discovered what my poor hubby has known for years. I have the perfect plan already worked out and I will persist until you see it too. The amount of work these dashing and debonair gentlemen and our lone Mod Seriously! did in that last few weeks to get this place looking so sharp is staggering. There aren't words to show how much appreciation I have for their herculean efforts.

I hope all of us will happily follow our own paths. I have a so many things I want to accomplish with this golden opportunity to really expose so many other scams as I fight to change laws to protect internet bloggers better. So many new doors have opened.

We should take the gifts given to us and make the most of them.

Soapboxmom

Unsaved Trash
07-02-2010, 12:31 AM
To No_Moron_Here? I do not know why you left, from all your ranting and raving I've figured it was something to do with Len and his being an admin. I don't know why you say you got a permanent ban and find me somehow partly to blame but, for what it's worth, I wish you well and I hope you get over your "pissed off" soon.

I never held you responsible for my ban. You had nothing to do with it. It was "Zachary" George Dranichak, Porn Mogul, Liar, and Spammer that I assume banned me two weeks after I publicly resigned. And yes, I did quit and here is the reason: scams - View Single Post - No_Moron_Here Finished? (http://scam.com/showpost.php?p=921011&postcount=10) You mean you didn't read it? You locked the thread.

You know why I'm pissed off and I'll leave it at that.

Sojustask
07-02-2010, 06:37 AM
I never held you responsible for my ban. You had nothing to do with it. It was "Zachary" George Dranichak, Porn Mogul, Liar, and Spammer that I assume banned me two weeks after I publicly resigned. And yes, I did quit and here is the reason: scams - View Single Post - No_Moron_Here Finished? (http://scam.com/showpost.php?p=921011&postcount=10) You mean you didn't read it? You locked the thread.

You know why I'm pissed off and I'll leave it at that.

I'm sorry, I had not read that post, I was more involved in the end of the thread most likely. Front ends are rarely the problem, back ends are.

Don't you think 3 months is an awfully long time to allow anything to eat at you so much that it spills over into nearly every communication you post? I can't undo what you are pissed at me for. I can apologize, Tom, but unless you need it in my spilled blood, I can't do much more than that.

Bibleman did not quit because of me. I will tell you that. I think you exaggerated a lot of people's positions on Quatloos. Darren and I are friends, he has written me since he left and to quote his email:

"Stephanie,

Hope you don't delete this without seeing who its from! My other email address is having issues right now....something hacked into my email and started sending a bunch of spams, so passwords were changed and then the system wouldn't let me send this back to you until it goes through some kind of 'cooling off' period.....so if you get another email from me with a simple website in it, DON'T open it! And sorry for the bother. Yikes.

Anyway, I didn't stop being moderator because of you, Stephanie. I don't know what folks are saying about my reasons....but either way, I think I'm done for a while. It's not stress per se....just is a handful that I'm not willing to hold right now...know what I mean? I'll admit that I was shocked at you banning SBM....but I don't know, maybe none of us were doing a very good job at our posts. I let lots of folks on there trash talk each other and me/us, without banning or throwing the rules at them....too much leniency tends to make them think they can get away with anything without recourse...


I haven't responded to Heather's invitation to go be a part of some other site, and I didn't reply to Tom's letter on the side to me.



Len can continue to do what he does. I have glanced in at the site a couple times without logging in and looks business as usual......as a matter of fact, things seem to be a bit more relaxed since Len came along....so I guess that's good on him!



Anyway, NEVER hard feelings, Stephanie! I appreciate you. I really do. I don't always have to agree with you, but I've not forgotten your past kindness and I know that we've always been on the same team.
I really don't think a lot of Len.....but maybe I've been a bit too hasty there, too. Maybe time will tell on that one. Good, bad, right, or wrong; love him or hate him, he's admin and there isn't a thing to gain by starting a war.

I'm not so far in the drama that lines are drawn and guns are blazing....as it seems others are....but Stephanie, even if I were, I wouldn't be pointing at you. :)

/R,



Darren"


You attacked me with my friends. People I've known for years. I'm sure some left because of me, though I can't fathom why since I didn't have a lot to do with most of them, but others that you claimed left because of me are just outright lies.

And I don't mind if you want to bash me the rest of your life if that makes you feel better, but I would prefer you find legitimate and honest reasons for doing it. You never struck me as a vindictive man, but those quatloos posts, made you sound really vindictive.

Anyway, live long and prosper as the saying goes. I hope this site grows and I hope you find some peace with your feelings.

Namaskar

Unsaved Trash
07-02-2010, 09:45 AM
Stephanie - You asked for a truce. I complied. Then you bashed us again. The deal was off. I used to send this copied and pasted response to the members at scam.com that complained about being criticized. These complaints came from both pro and anti-MLM people.


Thank you for contacting me. This is a discussion board that gets quite heated at times. If you feel you are being attacked, I have found the most successful solution is to not respond to your attacker. In 99.9% of the cases, the person will not continue. It will be forgotten and you can continue to post and enjoy the site. If you need further help or have any other concerns, please don't hesitate to PM me.

Regards,

Tom
Moderator

It would have worked for you too. And if you don't post anything negative, I won't respond. See how simple that is? I do not classify this last post from you as negative. It's just an acknowledgment.

Soapboxmom
07-02-2010, 10:24 AM
maybe none of us were doing a very good job at our posts. I let lots of folks on there trash talk each other and me/us, without banning or throwing the rules at them....too much leniency tends to make them think they can get away with anything without recourse...
He wasn't there as we continually tried to clean up the MLM Forum and did ban members as his job kept him away for days or weeks at a time. We gave friendly firm warnings and did ban posters who were primarily flaming, you, unbanned them and publically humiliated and berated us for doing our jobs. Then you had the nerve to complain about the MLM forum being such a mess. You made that mess and I wish you luck with it.

In response to my banning Bibleman wrote:

I've slept on it and have made the decision to request my moderatorship be revoked......

If you keep on keepin' on, I salute you. It's just too much drama and nonsense for me. It is just not fun anymore!
He left the day after you banned me and to his credit he is a gracious very kind man who didn't appreciate the way things had been going and chose not to be a part of that. The trauma and drama was your department and none of us appreciated your taking all your petty jealousies and attacks public.

Off to Scam you need to go!

Heather

consolidation
07-05-2010, 01:08 PM
I have joined here and no longer feel any need to head back there, that is history only , I was banned at scam a few times and was always happy to be banned for speaking my mind( Once I was banned for asking to be deregistered)....but my only regret is that I never realised my ambition to post a reply in the Website Reviews folder tthat hadnt been touched in 4 yrs...

Lightbulb
07-05-2010, 06:59 PM
I just popped over to scam dot com and it seems that most of the posts recently there are in the MLM/Pyramid Scams section and are by long time posters arguing on established threads and the rest of the posts and new threads are in Political Chat.

It doesn't seem that new people are finding that site to ask questions about possible scams. Looks like the days of scam dot com actually helping past, present or potential future victims might be over.

Unsaved Trash
07-05-2010, 08:44 PM
Other than the Political forum, the most popular forum at scam.com with the most posts and threads is Internet Scams. It's virtually dead. Only 2 posts on 7-2 and 2 posts on 7-5, total 4 posts. It usually had between 30 and 40 per day. I guess people don't enjoy seeing the owner, George Dranichak spam the joint with his porn.