Thread: Tim Darnell and Catherine / Cathy Starnater Darnell both sent to IRS Hell

Attachment 212

Here are pages 122-128 of the attachment / Tim Darnell's January 2006 Affidavit:

Q. Are you a millionaire?
2 A. I think by some definitions I am; other
3 definitions I'm not. And I purposely keep my private
4 information private.
5 Q. Okay. And by what definition are you a
6 millionaire?
7 A. Probably by IRS definition.
8 Q. And by what definition are you not?
9 A. Cash in the bank.
10 Q. And what is the -- what is the IRS definition
11 of a millionaire?
12 A. I think they have 300,000 a year you are
13 considered a millionaire by -- according to the IRS.
14 Q. Has Advantage Conferences filed income tax
15 returns?
16 A. Yes. They are tied into my returns because it
17 is a single-person LLC.
18 Q. Well, you haven't filed for 2004, have you?
19 A. No. For 2004?
20 Q. I'm sorry, for 2005.
21 A. 2005, no.
22 Q. Did you file one for 2004, income tax return?
23 A. Yeah. We had a CPA that I have since -- we
24 are not using anymore, and we just got a brand new CPA.
25 And so we will find out where that is at. They are

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1 tied into my returns and so it is -- the company is
2 not -- not obligated to do that.
3 Q. When is the last time you filed a return?
4 A. I file a different way. I found out a way to
5 file with the IRS that fits their obligations that
6 doesn't put my information into the public sector.
7 Q. How do -- how do you do that?
8 A. It involves affidavit and legal -- legal
9 involvement with the IRS.
10 Q. What do you mean "legal involvement"?
11 A. I mean that I do legal filing with the IRS
12 through affidavit.
13 Q. Okay. And you produced something like that
14 yesterday, I think; is that right? Let me see if I can
15 find it.
16 MR. MYERS: I'm going to mark it as
17 Exhibit 13.
18 (Exhibit No. 13 marked)
19 Q. Is that what you are referring to?
20 A. Yes, it is.
21 Q. Okay. And --
22 A. Yep.
23 Q. Do you know why the full 42 pages wasn't
24 produced? We only have 19 it looks like.
25 A. I don't know. We can get the full 42. That

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1 is not a problem.
2 Q. Now, tell me what Exhibit 13 is again.
3 A. That's my filing with the IRS. They give you
4 an option to file by -- by notice, by letter or by IRS
5 form.
6 Q. All right. And by this document, Exhibit 13,
7 are you filing -- are you advising the IRS of what your
8 income is and what your tax liability is or what are
9 you doing?
10 A. No, I'm advising them of my status with them.
11 Q. What is your status with them?
12 A. My status with them is I question them on
13 certain aspects, various aspects about the IRS.
14 Q. What does that mean, you question them on
15 certain aspects of the IRS?
16 A. And then they have an opportunity to respond
17 to my questions. And if they don't, then my evidence
18 stands as fact and that satisfies their obligation.
19 Q. Okay. Have they responded to this?
20 A. Of course not.
21 Q. Okay. Well, my question was you said you
22 questioned them on several aspects. What does that
23 mean? What do you question --
24 A. For instance, a voluntary income tax system.
25 You say it is voluntary, and yet you are going and

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1 knocking down people's door and carrying them off to
2 jail when they don't pay. I questioned them on that.
3 We go through many, many aspects like that that I
4 personally have had interest in and have done
5 considerable research in over the years.
6 Q. All right. Have you -- what tax year is that
7 affidavit for?
8 A. This one is 2002.
9 Q. Have you filed one of those for each year,
10 2003 --
11 A. I'm sorry. Excuse me. It is 2004.
12 Q. Okay. Tax year 2004?
13 A. Uh-huh.
14 Q. Yes?
15 A. No, no, that is not true. I'm sorry. This is
16 2002. 2002.
17 Q. You submitted it in 2004.
18 A. Uh-huh.
19 Q. Correct?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. All right. Did you pay taxes for the year
22 2002?
23 A. I don't see how that has anything to do with
24 this discussion whatsoever.
25 Q. All right. Did you -- did you pay taxes -- do

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1 you intend to pay taxes on Advantage Conferences
2 earnings for 2005?
3 A. I intend to satisfy my obligation with the
4 IRS.
5 Q. Okay. By filing another one of those
6 affidavits?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. When is the last time you actually paid taxes
9 to the IRS?
10 A. '98.
11 Q. All right. In the -- in Exhibit 13 you have
12 listed something like Timothy Spencer., Darnell. What
13 does that mean?
14 A. It's just a legal representation of the name.
15 A more correct legal representation.
16 Q. Why is that more correct than just Timothy
17 Spencer Darnell?
18 A. Because of various documents that require that
19 it is written that way. And if you will notice, it's
20 in lower case.
21 Q. All right. Is that -- why is that? Why is it
22 in lower case?
23 A. Lower case indicating that I'm not an entity
24 of the state. That I'm not a creation -- a fictional
25 creation of the state.

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1 Q. What are you?
2 A. I'm a God-breathed human being and not a
3 creation of the state.
4 Q. Is it -- so I understand this, because it was
5 produced in the case, the -- by that document are you
6 saying that you are not required to pay taxes because
7 you are not what, a --
8 A. No. I am -- I am asking questions of the IRS
9 that they have to answer by law for self-help remedy.
10 And they either do or they don't. They have chosen --
11 they have chosen not to answer.
12 Q. And until they answer, you don't have to pay?
13 A. That's correct.
14 Q. You don't have to pay or file a return?
15 A. That's correct. This is my filing right here.
16 It is not a return. It is the option that they give
17 you that few people are aware of.
18 Q. All right. Let me -- you produced some
19 documents here that we are going to -- that I'm going
20 to review, and if we find it necessary to ask you some
21 additional questions we will -- we will make
22 arrangements with your lawyer to have you come back.
23 A. Okay.

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That of course explains perfectly why Tim Darnell and Catherine / Cathy Starnater Darnell have a $97,265.17 tax lien for 2005. Each of them also have $8,000.00 liens for other years. Brilliant tax strategy. Everyone will be clamoring for Tim to act as their financial planner, insurance salesman and business advisor!

"You are going and knocking down people's door and carrying them off to
jail when they don't pay," says Tim. Sounds like a good plan to me!

Soapboxmom

Tim Darnell's January 2005 Deposition has some hilarious discussion about his unique tax situation, shall we call it:

Okay. Are income taxes withheld from her 15 salary?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Have y'all paid income taxes -- do y'all file
18 separately or jointly?
19 A. Jointly.
20 Q. Do you file an income tax return?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. Do you file an income tax return on a IRS form?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Have you always filed an income tax return? 25 A. We filed by affidavit for several years.

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1 Q. Did the government ever respond to the
2 questions you posed in the affidavit?
3 A. They actually did last year, finally.
4 Q. And what were the questions that you posed?
5 A. There were many questions in the affidavit;
6 it's a long, drawn out affidavit. My whole research
7 into that had to do with how in the world did we get
8 from income tax being illegal in 1932 to becoming legal
9 in '33? And so that was an incredible study.
10 Q. Do you still have copies of the affidavits that 11 you filed?
12 A. Yes, I do.
13 Q. And when they finally contacted you last year,
14 what was their position as to whether you owed money or
15 not?
16 A. I didn't read it.
17 Q. And your wife didn't tell you?
18 A. What?
19 Q. I mean, when you say you didn't read it -
20 A. Neither one of us read it.
21 Q. Did you ever go back and pay any back taxes?
22 A. Yes, we've caught up and we still owe some, but
23 we're catching up.
24 Q. So that's another debt that you have that you
25 didn't mention a few minutes ago?

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1 A. Well, it's ambiguous as to what it is.
2 Q. It's -- it is a debt, but one that you don't
3 necessarily recognize?
4 A. Correct.
5 Q. Are there any other debts that you have that
6 you don't recognize that you haven't told me about?
7 A. No.
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Ignoring official correspondence from the IRS takes a very special kind of stupid. The kind that gets one a $97,265.17 tax lien for 2005 to be exact.

He should be the first in line as a non-citizen and non-resident of texas to refuse his Social Security checks when they arrive in the mail. Wouldn't want to burden him with anything from a major governmental agency. And, why should someone who doesn't feel obligated to pay his taxes get a dime???

Soapboxmom

I think I'm slowly getting the hang of this tax denier/sovrun citizen/natural born woman/single person LLC/breath of God thing.

I'm having a bit of trouble with the transition between 'I don't owe nobody nuttin, but I'm entitled to everything" and "I have the right to rip off anyone I choose".

It might sound good on paper, but, as far as putting it into practice, it seems to be a tad lopsided.