Thread: True Vision Global - using religion!

Originally Posted by Whip

When can we expect the lawsuit from these jokers?

As you know the chances of a lawsuit from the scammers over at True Vision Global = 0% x ∞

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Once again. You have not told the truth and I noticed you left off the relevant part of the quote. The part that shows you to be a liar.

So you are daring to say what I quoted about what you were told on page 2 is NOT on page 2? really? You can quote whatever you want that someone else said. I don't care. You were responding to MY quote......not someone else's.
I quoted the ONLY relevant part. Please point out exactly where I am lying.

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

As you know the chances of a lawsuit from the scammers over at True Vision Global = 0% x ∞

It's right up there with truthful answers from void of reason

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Don't like the way you are being treated here, Voice of Reason ???

Might I respectfully suggest you go and take a long, hard look in the mirror and then look at consulting a communications expert before you start with the finger pointing.

Who knows, maybe you're a WWE wrestler on his week off, but, if you persist with your communication style, I can promise you your "charity" will be the one to suffer.

I'll say it again. Unless TVG are a bunch of amateur morons, you are not going to find the sort of definitive evidence you are "demanding"

What you possibly will find are a series of clues, but ultimately the decision is going to be up to you and / or your 501(C) if it in fact exists

* You are in no position to "demand" anything. Don't like our advice - fine - don't accept it.

We were here last week and we'll be here next week, responding the same way to any other "Voice of Reason" type belligerent, attacking poster with an over developed sense of entitlement who "demands" to have his / her requirements met.

No I don't like the way I am being treated. I've been accused of being a ponzi shill, a liar, a TVG defender and so on. In actuality, I am simply someone looking for the truth. It's ironic that you label me a belligerent, attacking poster, because you are one of the worst ones here.

I would agree with you that a clever and experienced scammer is probably not going to leave glaring hard evidence lying around for people to trip over. However, the demand you make that someone is to be reviled as a scammer, just because you say so (without a shred of evidence to support the allegation), is totally unreasonable.

What I am interested in, is facts that establish truth. Or at least verifiable inconsistencies and irregularities that would serve as actionable "red flags". I have found Lois McQuinn's business registration on the government of Canada website. However it is not the business number and address listed on the TVG-Connect site. The one listed on the site is:

TVG-Connect is legally owned and operated by:
101247283 Saskatchewan LTD.
505-333-3rd Ave. N
Saskatoon, SK S7K 2M2

That does not exist in the government of Canada registry, but it may be too new to be in the records yet. It does exist in the Saskatchewan Gazette, but it doesn't say who owns it - http://www.qp.gov.sk.ca/documents/ga...4/G1201401.pdf

What does exist in a Government of Canada search is is McQuinn Enterprises, but like I say, that is not listed on the TVG-Connect site. I'm not a businessman or legal expert, so I don't know what to make of these facts, or how to search it out further. Rather than belittling me and labelling me a belligerent ponzi pimp, perhaps you could put the same energy into establishing the facts.

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I am simply someone looking for the truth.

Because you are a liar. You have clearly stated you don't believe what is posted on this messageboard so you certainly can't be looking for the truth. The truth is here. Just because you don't want to see it doesn't make it any less true. But we know you are not here for that.

Here is a perfect example of the way a scam works and is run by known scammers. As LRM said, if it didn't look like a legitimate business, it wouldn't be a very good scam now would it? Note the date of the first post:

http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/view...php?f=7&t=4971

Originally Posted by ribshaw

The gnome on my shoulder whispered in my ear "but here she is."

Any word on the financials, licensing, or contracts?

A scam would not be very good if a few inconsistencies can't be explained away with more things that are near impossible to verify. Will be looking forward to see what else you come up with, for gnome and I one red flag is one too many when it comes to sending money.

Well, actually I did come up with the business number. I posted that above. The financials, licensing, and contracts are out of my league, I don't understand legalese and bean counter stuff. If some of that stuff turns up, I hope someone here could put it in layman's terms, without insisting on another aggravating round of insults.

Originally Posted by Whip

Because you are a liar. You have clearly stated you don't believe what is posted on this messageboard so you certainly can't be looking for the truth. The truth is here. Just because you don't want to see it doesn't make it any less true. But we know you are not here for that.

Well what am I here for - do tell - what is the conspiracy theory du jour?

Originally Posted by Whip

Here is a perfect example of the way a scam works and is run by known scammers. As LRM said, if it didn't look like a legitimate business, it wouldn't be a very good scam now would it? Note the date of the first post:

http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/view...php?f=7&t=4971

All well and good but what has any of that got to do with TVG?

Originally Posted by Whip

It's right up there with truthful answers from void of reason

Yet another less than helpful post belittling me and doing nothing to establish the truth with facts.

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

All well and good but what has any of that got to do with TVG?

it will go the same route. Prove it won't.

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Yet another less than helpful post belittling me and doing nothing to establish the truth with facts.

aw.....poor baby. Thought you were leaving? Thought you were looking for the truth? Since you insist it's not here, why do you keep thinking it will magically appear? Where else have you allegedly "looked for the truth"? Why do you keep lying? You lied even before making a post by choosing the username that you did. lol. Don't get upset at us just because we catch you in your lies.

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Well what am I here for - do tell - what is the conspiracy theory du jour?

Odds are your just out of a mental health facility. Been a long time since someone embarrassed themselves on here at your level.

Originally Posted by Can't stay away Sally

Well, actually I did come up with the business number. I posted that above.

Here is my take on Mcquinn Enterprises and I don't know anything about Canadian law. So I could completely misunderstand the legal structure.

If I decided I wanted to sell juice, hold rental property, internet retail, and save the world with charitable work, for tax and legal protection reasons I would use separate entities. For charitable endeavors I would set up a not for profit for the obvious tax reasons.

All this seems a little http://www.realscam.com/f11/donald-a...realscam-2771/ like resume stretching to me. Not a "slam dunk" by any means but when it comes to sending money a few things should add up.

This again is why I suggested you read through a few of the older threads.

Its a bit like this, you are outside a casino and a "drunk" comes up with a handful of chips claiming he just got kicked out. If you go in and cash them for him he will give you a cut.

That scam as all the elements of TVG, a plausible story, appeal to good, and greed.

Originally Posted by That's Better Betty

The financials, licensing, and contracts are out of my league, I don't understand legalese and bean counter stuff. If some of that stuff turns up, I hope someone here could put it in layman's terms

We don't even have a product yet, joking with the financials as you will never get them in a scam. At least not ones you can independently verify. The contracts especially are easy enough to verify. McQuinn has claimed all these charities are on board, find out who they are and start making some calls. Find out just what they think they are on board for, if they have even heard of her at all I would be shocked.

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Also don't kid yourself, the churches are filled with any number of Ponzi schemes, some at the highest levels. One of the easiest ways to run a scam is on like minded group with the blessing of the leader.

Originally Posted by Contrite Katie

, without insisting on another aggravating round of insults.

You had to see it coming just with your screen name alone. As if justlogicnohate were back.

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Don't get me wrong - I'm not here to defend TVG, I think one of their 4 owners should do that and also press charges for slander if what is being said in this thread is not true. That being said, the issue is simply this - are the accusations and insinuations true, or just the vain speculations of cynical minds and the sour grapes of disgruntled former members?

I haven't seen anything that would constitute hard evidence in this thread, so there is no basis on which to make a determination, other than rants based on personal opinion and speculation.

Originally Posted by justlogicnohate

I think the issue with this is people are generally not that intelligent so they don't understand how FlexKom works. So in other words dumb people wont get it. That is why there are so many clueless people on this blog.

http://www.realscam.com/f8/flexkom-a...mlm-scam-1862/

If you had come in with a better opening, sans the lawsuit jibberjabber, things might have gone a little more swimmingly.

Its like mom used to say:

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Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

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What I am interested in, is facts that establish truth. Or at least verifiable inconsistencies and irregularities that would serve as actionable "red flags". I have found Lois McQuinn's business registration on the government of Canada website. However it is not the business number and address listed on the TVG-Connect site. The one listed on the site is:

TVG-Connect is legally owned and operated by:
101247283 Saskatchewan LTD.
505-333-3rd Ave. N
Saskatoon, SK S7K 2M2

That does not exist in the government of Canada registry, but it may be too new to be in the records yet. It does exist in the Saskatchewan Gazette, but it doesn't say who owns it - http://www.qp.gov.sk.ca/documents/ga...4/G1201401.pdf

What does exist in a Government of Canada search is is McQuinn Enterprises, but like I say, that is not listed on the TVG-Connect site. I'm not a businessman or legal expert, so I don't know what to make of these facts, or how to search it out further. Rather than belittling me and labelling me a belligerent ponzi pimp, perhaps you could put the same energy into establishing the facts.

If you need a detailed info on a Saskatchewan corporation
you can get it here, it might not be a free request (depends on the depth of information you are looking for): https://www.isc.ca/CorporateRegistry...dEntities.aspx

Federal Canadian company registry does not include provincial entities who claim to do business only inside the province.

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

The financials, licensing, and contracts are out of my league,

Why are you messing around with fringe stuff when we have said over and over, they are only clues, not proof ??

Banners Broker was first mentioned and pegged as a fraud here in October 2011.

It had all the required licenses, accounts, offices and contracts anyone could ever "demand" The fraudsters behind it maintained very public profiles, just as the fraudsters behind TVG are doing. Banners Broker had a physical address/es, bank accounts, seemingly independent verification of its' legitimacy, just like TVG.

The court documents "proving" Banners Broker was a fraud were posted on the forum in October this year as in: 2014

Which means, in the "World according to Voice of Reason" logic, Banners Broker wasn't a fraud until 2014

Oh, and, as is the way with online frauds and fraudsters, Banners Broker had a large number of "Voice of Reasons" who graced REALSCAM.com with their presence, presenting the same tired arguments you are, using the same false logic and throwing the same juvenile insults as you, so none of this is new or unusual.

True Vision Global is a fraudulent operation, whether you believe it or not - end of.

Originally Posted by NikSam

If you need a detailed info on a Saskatchewan corporation
you can get it here, it might not be a free request (depends on the depth of information you are looking for): https://www.isc.ca/CorporateRegistry...dEntities.aspx

Federal Canadian company registry does not include provincial entities who claim to do business only inside the province.

Thank you, that might actually turn out to be useful.

I asked my businessman friend today, is a delay possible before they show in the government registry, and he said no - it should be instant. They are also not restricting themselves to the Province, they claim to operate globally, so I would expect federal registration.

So I am left with the fact that the posted business number is not showing in the federal registry, but all indications are it should be, if legit.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Why are you messing around with fringe stuff when we have said over and over, they are only clues, not proof ??

Banners Broker was first mentioned and pegged as a fraud here in October 2011.

It had all the required licenses, accounts, offices and contracts anyone could ever "demand" The fraudsters behind it maintained very public profiles, just as the fraudsters behind TVG are doing. Banners Broker had a physical address/es, bank accounts, seemingly independent verification of its' legitimacy, just like TVG.

The court documents "proving" Banners Broker was a fraud were posted on the forum in October this year as in: 2014

Which means, in the "World according to Voice of Reason" logic, Banners Broker wasn't a fraud until 2014

Oh, and, as is the way with online frauds and fraudsters, Banners Broker had a large number of "Voice of Reasons" who graced REALSCAM.com with their presence, presenting the same tired arguments you are, using the same false logic and throwing the same juvenile insults as you, so none of this is new or unusual.

True Vision Global is a fraudulent operation, whether you believe it or not - end of.

So you have a success story, probably several, where your psychic predictions came true. I don't doubt that for a second, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Success stories are used by weight loss companies and snake oil salesmen, so you will forgive me if I don't take your success story as evidence that you are always right, or are right this time.

However, I will acknowledge that you have a history of looking into these types of companies, and probably know a thousand times more than I do in this area. Also, I have never denied that there is a good possibility you are right. There are some "red flag" issues that surfaced recently, which at least circumstantially support your assertions. I especially find the Carlos Casteneda name on the website registration questionable due to it's past associations. The recruitment oriented 3 by 9 Matrix is typical of ponzi pyramid type MLM scams, and the humanitarian/Christian aspect could possibly be interpreted as an "affinity" scam.,

That being said, I want as many verifiable facts established as possible. Soon, I am going to have to advise some very hopeful orphanage leaders in my purview. Either that this is a false hope and avoid it for the following reasons, or these marketers may have swum through the sewers, but they are clean now and trying to do the right thing.

If they are "crooks" I don't want them using these kids in an "affinity scam" to make themselves look credible and humanitarian. If they are not (or no longer) crooks, I don't want kids starving because I made a wrong call. Do you see my dilemma and why I push so hard for something tangible and decisive?

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Do you see my dilemma and why I push so hard for something tangible and decisive?

No.

There is no dilemma, just as there is going to be nothing "tangible and decisive" enough to satisfy your [uneducated in the way of online fraudsters] criteria

You are what is commonly referred to in sales as a golden eagle.

As in: "I didn't have to do anything, a golden eagle flew down and landed on my shoulder today"

You are a fraudsters' dream.
Register a business name, give an address, obtain a license. Doesn't matter if it's a relevant license, as long as a license exists. Put your pic online, because fraudsters would never put their pic online. Say it is for starving children. Make up a story about your successful history.

BINGO !!!

Several thousand "Voice of Reasons" will fall over themselves to get out their wallets and do your recruiting for you by "accidentally" coming onto forums such as REALSCAM.com speaking out on your scam du jours' behalf and even volunteering personal testimonials.

Your attempted insults and shaming us have all been done before, ad infinitum, ad nauseum

If you want to gamble with your charities' money, there is very obviously nothing we or anyone else can do to stop you,

Enjoy.

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

So you have a success story, probably several, where your psychic predictions came true.

I refuse to believe you are as stupid as you appear in making out you missed the point of mentioning Banners Broker and instead chose to believe you are being deliberately obtuse, which, given your past performance, won't be a stretch for any of the readers to believe.

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

I want as many verifiable facts established as possible.

Why don't you ring them and ask them if they're legit ??

After all, fraudsters wouldn't lie, deceive, cheat, forge, fake, mislead or misdirect or cheat "the kiddies" would they ???

Of course, you could have the capacity of the team from NCIS and all you have to do is tap a few keys and write a few algorithms and all would be revealed.

Or,

you could get lucky and the fraudsters behind True Vision Global may turn out to be completely inept first timers and they will be like Hansel and Gretel and have left a trail of clues behind them.

Or

you could swallow your pride, realize we do know more than you when it comes to fraud and fraudsters and advise your fellow (coff) 501(c) board members (coff) it would be immoral, unethical and foolish in the extreme to place charity funds at risk.

Nah,

what was I thinking ???

you'd rather be "right"

Voice of Reason:

Let me put some things into perspective for you. As littleroundman has already said you are not the first to post as you have here. You see, we could list 300 of these programs that we said were Ponzi's, an illegal pyramid scheme, or illegal cash gifting from the very beginning of their launch; but your response (as it is with everyone else in your mindset) would be this "one" is different, you cannot make the same claims based on what happened with the others, you are comparing apples to oranges, etc. etc... We have heard this ad nauseam over the last 10+ years.

Some of the type of proof you are seeking will only be revealed in a court of law if the Feds bring civil and/or criminal charges against Lois and crew. A lot is just using common sense and you know it is not real. Contrary to others opinions, many of us posting here do know what we are talking about because we have seen it over and over and over. We've heard it all before: the we don't know what we are talking about, we don't understand the program as only the admins know how it all works, only a court of law can determine if it is a Ponzi or not, innocent until proven guilty, we have an agenda, if this is a Ponzi what about Social Security as it is the biggest Ponzi of them all, all the name-calling, you get my point. So you will have to forgive us when we see someone posting as you have because we think: Oh no, here we go again.

For this to be legal, Lois has to register this company to do business in every country in which they will be doing business BEFORE they start doing business. She hasn't, but more importantly can't. The country registration agency would not approve them in their present business format. You have to understand there is a big difference between registering a business name, and registering to do business. All she has done is register the business name.

Hopefully this has helped you understand better from where many of us are coming from, as it is from at least a decade of experience. We have basically seen it all, and despite all their claims, there is nothing new. It is nothing more than a new dress and lipstick on the same pig making people think it is a new pig.

One wonders why True Vision Global finds it necessary to have a closed group on Facebook



Couldn't be trying to hide something, by any chance, could they, seeing they are usually so open and transparent.

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