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    Quote Originally Posted by path2prosperity View Post
    I opened a new Group in Facebook on 26/11/2012 and I was delighted that SBM was the first to join. Other RS members are welcome to join

    No Crap British Scammer Musings.
    P2P that link just takes me back to this forum.
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    P2P that link just takes me back to this forum.
    That is odd. I will have to take a look. Eight others joined in less than twelve hous so something must be working. Try searchung for No Crap British Scammer Musings in FaceBook and I will see how to alter it on Facebook. I must have a break now but I will be back later.

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    That is odd. I will have to take a look. Eight others joined in less than twelve hours so something must be working. Try searchung for No Crap British Scammer Musings in FaceBook and I will see how to alter it on Facebook. I must have a break now but I will be back later.
    I have no idea why the link was defaulting to the RS page but this is the right link for

    No Crap British Scammer Musings.

    Entrepreneurs are very welcome but MLMers and crap merchants will get a flea in the ear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by path2prosperity View Post
    You are advertising Bogdan Fiedur's affiliate program on your Adlandpro welcome page and his gold advertising program on your Classified Adland web site. I used to play the paid autosurfs for A PUNT, several years ago. There is a big difference between then and now.

    I am not pushing you, I am pointing out that it is unwise to become an affiliate for disreputable programs. Loyalty is a great thing Dave but there is such a thing as reversal behaviour, when under stress, a person's strengths become their weaknesseses. Psychometric tests pick this condition up very easily. Your loyalty to BoggyBoy does sound a bit OTT to me.

    Look after yourself and don't worry about BoggyBoy. As "Scratchy" has said, the man has already cut his own throat.
    Take care, Judy. I am saddened by this, but I guess you are going to do what you want. That's your choice. I am not interested in a fight.
    Dave Cottrell - aka - Klagoosh, owner of ClassifiedAdLand.com , among many others.

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    Some thoughts on Adland Pro

    It remains a sad fact is that Adland is still being used by people to promote supposed ways to make money from home which are in many cases little more than fraud.

    What is even sadder is that no one there is doing much to stop it.

    Members who join these schemes invariably lose their money, or never make any in exchange for a tremendous amount of time and energy. Those at the top (in and outside Adland) make money at their expense. (Think Zeek, ASD JustBeenPaid, NarcThatCar, food "programs" and others run by long established scammers.)

    If any one tries to protest and provide facts which demonstrate that a particular scheme is not what it claims to be, their comments are invariably deleted by the "forum owners" as every thread is moderated by its owner.

    Adland, over the years has acquired a very bad reputation online as a place where newbies get scammed. The policy of allowing people to promote and advertise whatever they like without challenge is largely responsible. It is within the owners remit and covered by the ToS if he wishes to change it. He's an internet savvy chap who has been around the web for many years.

    I personally left in all but name many years ago, but what I see and hear leads me to believe that nothing has changed.

    The advertising revenue which pays for the site encompasses many things that are not acceptable to most people, including porn and scams. However much any one enjoys "the social side of Adland", these are the things that make them possible. I am not naming any names or getting into a slanging match with anyone. It is the schemes themselves that are noxious and, as long as their adverts and promotion forums are permitted, they will be promoted by someone. If one member who promotes scams goes, another will fill their place and suck another bunch of newbies in.

    Naming names is not my way of operating - my interest is in establishing whether schemes and programs are or are not legitimate business and to pass that information on. However, when there is documented evidence all over the internet that something promoted on Adland is not going to be a business that it is good to promote to the members of Adland, it would appear that no criticism of that program is possible on the site and it is called "hating" and negativity. It is irrelevant to me who promotes it. If someone is seen repeatedly as a leading promoter of one scam after another, that says enough about them for me. If however, the owner of the site has no wish to change the direction of Adland, then it will continue to be what it has become over the years - a safe haven for scammers to promote their rubbish to newbies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klagoosh View Post
    Take care, Judy. I am saddened by this, but I guess you are going to do what you want. That's your choice. I am not interested in a fight.
    Dave Cottrell - aka - Klagoosh, owner of ClassifiedAdLand.com , among many others.
    This is a forum for people who want to fight scammer's Dave. Your decision to remain no part of the fight and remain as a loyal friend to BoggyBoy is your decision.

    My mesage to Bogdan is that next time he wants to send a warrior into an antiscam forum, he had better not choose somebody who has just returned from a long sick leave. SBM and Peggy Smith from the Scam Hotline in Facebook have had the courage to show Internet users that neither of them will tolerate Bogdan Fiedur in anti scam forums or groups where they are in control.

    I take my hat off to two courageous women and I wish you well in your recovery.

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    Duh?

    REAL SCAM - Is it or isn't it? You decide.

    Thought that is what we were here for - to sort out whether or not the stuff that people are invited to join is a real business or not. The motives of people who promote scams are more difficult to prove and depend on their knowledge of what they promote and their own track records. Judging that one is a difficult call and requires a lot of research and evidence if it is to be anything other than a subjective opinion

    On the other hand, a forum/site which provides a home for scam and unsustainable programs will inevitably be judged by its content and the way in which it deals with it. In that situation, they have two choices - or demonstrate the legality and sustainability of the programs promoted and advertised on their sites, or, shut the heck up. Threats dont work. TG and MMG seem to have taken the latter path, scam dot com... we won't even go there. lol.... and Adland tried the threats but the only way they can achieve credibility is the former - to demonstrate the legality and sustainability of the programs promoted and advertised on their sites The rest is just smoke and mirrors

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    Quote Originally Posted by path2prosperity View Post
    This is a forum for people who want to fight scammer's Dave. Your decision to remain no part of the fight and remain as a loyal friend to BoggyBoy is your decision.

    My mesage to Bogdan is that next time he wants to send a warrior into an antiscam forum, he had better not choose somebody who has just returned from a long sick leave. SBM and Peggy Smith from the Scam Hotline in Facebook have had the courage to show Internet users that neither of them will tolerate Bogdan Fiedur in anti scam forums or groups where they are in control.

    I take my hat off to two courageous women and I wish you well in your recovery.
    OK, Judy Horton, since you are spoiling for a fight and refuse to drop it, go ahead and make my day. I am horribly sick, but have NEVER, EVER used that as an excuse for anything, other than being much less active than I used to be. Not my choice.

    But you, dear lady, are WAY off base coming after me like this. FOR THE RECORD, and I hope everybody reads this, YOU invited me to this site, YOU told me who was here, and YOU then proceeded to warn me that if I didn't simply leave Adlandpro and dump friends I have been pretty much out of contact with for years YOU would not be able to stop people from suggesting that my sickness is all a scam and in fact, I am a scammer, myself.

    DO YOU WANT ME TO POST A CUT AND PASTE COPY OF YOUR EMAIL TO ME? The totally ridiculous thing about this, is that NOBODY else here has accused me of anything. YOU are the one making the very accusations you warned me the other folks here would.

    There is NOTHING I can do to prevent you from your raving diatribes, but I am beginning to wonder why anyone takes you seriously, any more. It seems to me now that you only invited me here so that you can enjoy the glory of "exposing" a so-called scammer.

    ONCE AGAIN, NO ONE FROM ADLANDPRO SENT ME HERE! YOU, JUDITH HORTON, INVITED ME HERE AS MY FRIEND, THEN TURNED FROM JUDITH TO JUDAS ON ME. Thank you. I appreciate the kindness...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me View Post
    Duh?

    REAL SCAM - Is it or isn't it? You decide.

    The motives of people who promote scams are more difficult to prove and requires a lot of research and evidence if it is to be anything other than a subjective opinion [/B]
    EXcellent point LORM. That point was drummed into psychometric testing students when I did my training. The tests reveal the MOST PROBABLE motivation and nothing else. If the person who is being tested agrees that one of the most probable explanations revealed by the test, is abolutely right, then you are on safe ground assumiing that it is true.

    PS I really do admire your writing style. You get better every day. We have fought like a couple of fish wives over who is who in Scamland but here we seem to be winning the peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klagoosh View Post
    OK, Judy Horton, since you are spoiling for a fight and refuse to drop it, go ahead and make my day.
    My fight is with Scamlandpro Dave not with you. Have a good night's sleep and come back when you have got more things into pespective.

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    Adland, over the years has acquired a very bad reputation online as a place where newbies get scammed. The policy of allowing people to promote and advertise whatever they like without challenge is largely responsible. It is within the owners remit and covered by the ToS if he wishes to change it. He's an internet savvy chap who has been around the web for many years.

    I personally left in all but name many years ago, but what I see and hear leads me to believe that nothing has changed.

    The advertising revenue which pays for the site encompasses many things that are not acceptable to most people, including porn and scams. However much any one enjoys "the social side of Adland", these are the things that make them possible. I am not naming any names or getting into a slanging match with anyone. It is the schemes themselves that are noxious and, as long as their adverts and promotion forums are permitted, they will be promoted by someone. If one member who promotes scams goes, another will fill their place and suck another bunch of newbies in.

    Naming names is not my way of operating - my interest is in establishing whether schemes and programs are or are not legitimate business and to pass that information on. However, when there is documented evidence all over the internet that something promoted on Adland is not going to be a business that it is good to promote to the members of Adland, it would appear that no criticism of that program is possible on the site and it is called "hating" and negativity. It is irrelevant to me who promotes it. If someone is seen repeatedly as a leading promoter of one scam after another, that says enough about them for me. If however, the owner of the site has no wish to change the direction of Adland, then it will continue to be what it has become over the years - a safe haven for scammers to promote their rubbish to newbies.
    I agree.

    Jimbo is in charge and things are under his control and if you want to win the scammer of the week it will take a little

    Hey Miguel,

    Thanks very much and I see your nomination has been entered as well. You may be next. Have you let your friends know you are okay with being nominated? Visit the POTW Nominations Thread and let us know that you or a friend should be considered.

    Thanks again, Miguel (ProfitClicking promoter)

    Jim (promoter of The Simple Math

    very cool and I second the sentiment Mark (^-^) - Dennis and Jim truly are people who have been working so hard and doing so much, they need to take a bow!

    P.S you have too by the way... I should have said that earlier

    Diane (promoter of Adlandpro and possibly next scammer of the week).

    You don't have to look far to find a world of scam promoters in Scamland.
    Don't get ripped off!! Stay informed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by klagoosh View Post
    OK, Judy Horton, since you are spoiling for a fight and refuse to drop it, go ahead and make my day. I am horribly sick, but have NEVER, EVER used that as an excuse for anything, other than being much less active than I used to be. Not my choice.

    But you, dear lady, are WAY off base coming after me like this. FOR THE RECORD, and I hope everybody reads this, YOU invited me to this site, YOU told me who was here, and YOU then proceeded to warn me that if I didn't simply leave Adlandpro and dump friends I have been pretty much out of contact with for years YOU would not be able to stop people from suggesting that my sickness is all a scam and in fact, I am a scammer, myself.

    DO YOU WANT ME TO POST A CUT AND PASTE COPY OF YOUR EMAIL TO ME? The totally ridiculous thing about this, is that NOBODY else here has accused me of anything. YOU are the one making the very accusations you warned me the other folks here would.

    There is NOTHING I can do to prevent you from your raving diatribes, but I am beginning to wonder why anyone takes you seriously, any more. It seems to me now that you only invited me here so that you can enjoy the glory of "exposing" a so-called scammer.

    ONCE AGAIN, NO ONE FROM ADLANDPRO SENT ME HERE! YOU, JUDITH HORTON, INVITED ME HERE AS MY FRIEND, THEN TURNED FROM JUDITH TO JUDAS ON ME. Thank you. I appreciate the kindness...
    When all is said and done, bottom line - promoters of Adlandpro and their 'programs' are aiding and abetting cyber crime. I am ashamed of how long I did it - about 4 years I think and without realizing just what I was doing even though it was all in front of me. We all make mistakes but we can try to set things straight.
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    BBB has determined that AdlandPro meets BBB accreditation standards, which include a commitment to make a good faith effort to resolve any consumer complaints. BBB Accredited Businesses pay a fee for accreditation review/monitoring and for support of BBB services to the public.

    BBB accreditation does not mean that the business' products or services have been evaluated or endorsed by BBB, or that BBB has made a determination as to the business' product quality or competency in performing services.

    Complaints on the way??
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    EXcellent point LORM. That point was drummed into psychometric testing students when I did my training. The tests reveal the MOST PROBABLE motivation and nothing else. If the person who is being tested agrees that one of the most probable explanations revealed by the test, is abolutely right, then you are on safe ground assumiing that it is true.

    PS I really do admire your writing style. You get better every day. We have fought like a couple of fish wives over who is who in Scamland but here we seem to be winning the peace.
    We are not conducting psychometric testing on this forum as far as I am aware. As commented above, Real
    Scam was set up to discuss whether programs are scams or not and, by implication, IF their members are knowingly, negligently or innocently involved in scams.

    HOWEVER making suppositions about motivation is a highly subjective judgement, and even more so when we are dealing with "virtual relationships". In the world of HYIPs and scams it is generally more prudent to go on the math and FACTS and not what we THINK someone might have done or thought. That way it is easier to avoid wrongly accusing an innocent victim or even dragging their name into the public internet on a forum that deals with the shady side of business on the internet. For most people, it is enough to have been burnt once and it is sufficient that they read the material available and tell their friends without making a public spectacle of themselves. Equally it avoids defending "the guilty" because of misplaced loyalties or "virtual" friendships

    For those who do repeatedly promote dubious schemes, then information and the empirical evidence will stack the cards against them and people can make up their own minds from the evidence, not because anyone tells them to.

    As far as AdlandPro is concerned, I have made very clear what I think of the place and WHY it is full of scammy schemes already and that has never changed. Apart from law enforcement if there is a case for its intervention, the owner is the only person with the legal and practical ability to control what appears there and it's owner remains the same person who founded AdlandPro- end of story. It's members, ex-members and owner may think it is important, but remember Fiedur started it long before Mark Zuckerberg started FB and Zuckerberg has become a multi millionaire of the largest social network in the world. Enough said.

    People join Adland for one reason and stay for others, including for a group of "virtual friends". Most people there have joined some program or other at one stage or another because of these supposed "friendships". It's owner has permitted the membership of known major serial scammers who disseminate their toxic programs to their major promoters through that and other forums where they are tolerated. (The owner of P2P and many other have all been members in their time). These members simply leave the public promotion and socializing to their selected promoters and big kool aid drinkers. The existing structure of "promoter owned" threads at Adland effectively stops all criticism of the programs promoted there. The apparent complicity of the owner has the effect of putting a halt to threads by others critical of those programs. On rare occasion a critical forum has taken precedence and the promoter forced to back down (a debate on fuel pills comes to mind), but on that occasion (equally rare) the whole debate was focused on concrete and factual evidence on scientific performance and product instead of on the personalities involved.

    It is my firm belief that any member of Adland Pro or any other forum who has doubts about what they are involved in will learn more from a careful diagnosis available here of the programs themselves, here and on other sites, than from anyone yelling "SCAMMER" about their "best virtual friend" , and even more so if it turns out that the wrong person gets picked out for attention!. When that happens, it has the serious downside of robbing the accuser's credibility for all the correct statements that they made before. But as always, what makes the scammer is the fact they knowingly or recklessly promote the scams. It is essential to give that evidence of the scam first. Name calling is contra productive without hard data, if one wishes to convince anyone of anything and even then their motive is unknown.

    If you choose to debate with individuals on a personal level, that is your choice, but for my part I shall continue with the view that it is more important to establish what is or isn't a scam (including who has founded it,as they are highly unlikely to be innocents by any stretch of the imagination) and then let the cards fall where they fall and let people make up their own minds.

    I will not debate individual personalities from Adland Pro here- but will willingly discuss the programs and if anything contributed will help someone understand what they have gotten themselves into, then that's even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me View Post
    We are not conducting psychometric testing on this forum as far as I am aware. .
    Why would you object to my saying that science supports your subjective opinion on the subject of a person's motivation? Nobody can do anything other than state probabilities on the matter of a person's motivation That fact is backed up by science. I consider this very relevent to the issue of RealScam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me View Post
    Some thoughts on Adland Pro

    It remains a sad fact is that Adland is still being used by people to promote supposed ways to make money from home which are in many cases little more than fraud.

    What is even sadder is that no one there is doing much to stop it.

    Members who join these schemes invariably lose their money, or never make any in exchange for a tremendous amount of time and energy. Those at the top (in and outside Adland) make money at their expense. (Think Zeek, ASD JustBeenPaid, NarcThatCar, food "programs" and others run by long established scammers.)

    If any one tries to protest and provide facts which demonstrate that a particular scheme is not what it claims to be, their comments are invariably deleted by the "forum owners" as every thread is moderated by its owner.

    Adland, over the years has acquired a very bad reputation online as a place where newbies get scammed. The policy of allowing people to promote and advertise whatever they like without challenge is largely responsible. It is within the owners remit and covered by the ToS if he wishes to change it. He's an internet savvy chap who has been around the web for many years.

    I personally left in all but name many years ago, but what I see and hear leads me to believe that nothing has changed.

    The advertising revenue which pays for the site encompasses many things that are not acceptable to most people, including porn and scams. However much any one enjoys "the social side of Adland", these are the things that make them possible. I am not naming any names or getting into a slanging match with anyone. It is the schemes themselves that are noxious and, as long as their adverts and promotion forums are permitted, they will be promoted by someone. If one member who promotes scams goes, another will fill their place and suck another bunch of newbies in.

    Naming names is not my way of operating - my interest is in establishing whether schemes and programs are or are not legitimate business and to pass that information on. However, when there is documented evidence all over the internet that something promoted on Adland is not going to be a business that it is good to promote to the members of Adland, it would appear that no criticism of that program is possible on the site and it is called "hating" and negativity. It is irrelevant to me who promotes it. If someone is seen repeatedly as a leading promoter of one scam after another, that says enough about them for me. If however, the owner of the site has no wish to change the direction of Adland, then it will continue to be what it has become over the years - a safe haven for scammers to promote their rubbish to newbies.
    This post which was made by LORM was pasted on the Scam Hotline Group in Facebook. "Scratcy" and I endorsed it with a like as we have done here. It was deleted from Scam Hotline. Bogdan Fiedur had control of that group for less than a day thanks to the swift action of Peggy Smith, the owner. Jason (Poyol) can confirm the fact that he saw the pictures of some of the Scam Hotline group's members, in that brief space of time. They were according to Jason and me, Bogdan Fiedur, Dave Cottrell and Stephen Hall.

    We do not know who deleted this evidence from Scam Hotline but Bogdan tried to take over an anti scam group and his efforts were foiled. This evidence can not be deleted from The Interenet or people's memories.
    Last edited by path2prosperity; 11-28-2012 at 05:07 PM.

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    Why would you object to my saying that science supports your subjective opinion on the subject of a person's motivation? Nobody can do anything other than state probabilities on the matter of a person's motivation That fact is backed up by science. I consider this very relevent to the issue of RealScam.
    I guess we simply have different priorities and we are both entitled to our opinions.

    However to stay on topic - AdlandPro (it googles better than Scamlandpro lol) Your One Stop Site for all Scams:-

    I believe that the principal ingredient of stopping a fraudulent scheme (scam) from flourishing is to give evidence that it is a scam. Whether that evidence is offered on an internet forum where participants or potential participants have a chance to find out the truth about the scheme they have joined or are being invited to join, or whether it is offered to law enforcement to enable them to take appropriate measures, the fundamental issue is to establish the truth about a scheme.

    The forums where frauds are promoted them are not generally, at this point in time, legally responsible for the content, although they certainly have the moral responsibility for what they permit on their sites. Law enforcement is now aware where online frauds are propagated but as yet have not brought a prosecution against any forum. That may change in the future, but is the case at present.

    However, those same forums only last as long as they have credibility. ASA Monitor has already closed to the public. Why? After the AdSurfDaily prosecution by the Secret Service, following hard on the heels of 12 Daily Pro, the failure of VLane and others , it may be that they decided that "flying above the radar" was not in their best interests. Just MHO

    The imprisonment of Bernard Maddoff has also brought into the public domain an awareness of the existence of ponzis that they did not have before. But they do now and it certainly makes explanations of HYIPs and autosurfs easier to understand. This awareness and any other education on how fraudulent schemes flourish brings about a loss of credibility for those that remain - the TGs, the MMGs and the Adlands etc etc of this world. They will not, under present law, be closed down, but increased public awareness of what is there does cause a loss of credibility and, as a result of this, they may and probably will fail in time.

    Those who start fraudulent schemes are criminals and deserve to be sent to jail for defrauding others out of their money. Those that promote them will only lose credibility if it is demonstrated that the schemes they offer others are fraudulent. To me, the names are almost irrelevant. When one goes another will take their place, but that will never make a fraudulent scheme legal.

    So in summary, IMHO, it is the awareness of the members of forums as to WHAT is promoted there that will cause their demise and not the names of those who promote. IMHO The WHO is probably of far more use and interest to law enforcement than it is to members of a public forum

    AdlandPro will not come to an end because Mary Flo or Johnny Bean promote schemes there, but it may well fizzle away when its members become aware that the schemes that they are constantly being invited to join are mainly illegal or unsustainable and that the presence of these schemes is the motor of the forum and the "social side" is simply added froth and bubbles to keep the place moving.

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    For the record, Judy, I thought it was you who put me in that group. If you are as good as you are suggesting you are, you will be able to prove rather quickly just how short at time I was in that group before it was taken down by either Peggy or Scott. (a couple of days, at the most).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me View Post
    I guess we simply have different priorities and we are both entitled to our opinions.

    However to stay on topic - AdlandPro (it googles better than Scamlandpro lol) Your One Stop Site for all Scams:-

    I believe that the principal ingredient of stopping a fraudulent scheme (scam) from flourishing is to give evidence that it is a scam. Whether that evidence is offered on an internet forum where participants or potential participants have a chance to find out the truth about the scheme they have joined or are being invited to join, or whether it is offered to law enforcement to enable them to take appropriate measures, the fundamental issue is to establish the truth about a scheme.

    The forums where frauds are promoted them are not generally, at this point in time, legally responsible for the content, although they certainly have the moral responsibility for what they permit on their sites. Law enforcement is now aware where online frauds are propagated but as yet have not brought a prosecution against any forum. That may change in the future, but is the case at present.

    However, those same forums only last as long as they have credibility. ASA Monitor has already closed to the public. Why? After the AdSurfDaily prosecution by the Secret Service, following hard on the heels of 12 Daily Pro, the failure of VLane and others , it may be that they decided that "flying above the radar" was not in their best interests. Just MHO

    The imprisonment of Bernard Maddoff has also brought into the public domain an awareness of the existence of ponzis that they did not have before. But they do now and it certainly makes explanations of HYIPs and autosurfs easier to understand. This awareness and any other education on how fraudulent schemes flourish brings about a loss of credibility for those that remain - the TGs, the MMGs and the Adlands etc etc of this world. They will not, under present law, be closed down, but increased public awareness of what is there does cause a loss of credibility and, as a result of this, they may and probably will fail in time.

    Those who start fraudulent schemes are criminals and deserve to be sent to jail for defrauding others out of their money. Those that promote them will only lose credibility if it is demonstrated that the schemes they offer others are fraudulent. To me, the names are almost irrelevant. When one goes another will take their place, but that will never make a fraudulent scheme legal.

    So in summary, IMHO, it is the awareness of the members of forums as to WHAT is promoted there that will cause their demise and not the names of those who promote. IMHO The WHO is probably of far more use and interest to law enforcement than it is to members of a public forum

    AdlandPro will not come to an end because Mary Flo or Johnny Bean promote schemes there, but it may well fizzle away when its members become aware that the schemes that they are constantly being invited to join are mainly illegal or unsustainable and that the presence of these schemes is the motor of the forum and the "social side" is simply added froth and bubbles to keep the place moving.
    I could not agree more. Cut off the HEAD of the snake,not the tail...

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    For the record, Judy, I thought it was you who put me in that group. If you are as good as you are suggesting you are, you will be able to prove rather quickly just how short at time I was in that group before it was taken down by either Peggy or Scott. (a couple of days, at the most).
    What on earth are you talking about? How could I put you in the Scam Hotline Group?

    For your information it was Peggy who closed the group. Thank goodness she had the "balls" to close it down when Bogdan Fiedur and his henchmen had taken control. Bogdan has been silenced once again.

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    I could not agree more. Cut off the HEAD of the snake,not the tail...
    Adlandpro promotes virtually nothing but porn and scams. A small scam busting web site like this could not possibly close them all down. We can however make it clear that Bogdan Fiedur makes money from the promotion of these activities and that it is very unwise to join forces with him in any of his online ventures.

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    What on earth are you talking about? How could I put you in the Scam Hotline Group?

    For your information it was Peggy who closed the group. Thank goodness she had the "balls" to close it down when Bogdan Fiedur and his henchmen had taken control. Bogdan has been silenced once again.
    Ok... then who put me in the group, right before it fell apart? Someone had the means to do that. Who all had admin for that group? I did not ask to get put in there, but somebody put me in. I am hearing about this happening a lot, lately. Mattias had 269 people suddenly show up in his blog group on FB overnight.

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    Adlandpro promotes virtually nothing but porn and scams. A small scam busting web site like this could not possibly close them all down. We can however make it clear that Bogdan Fiedur makes money from the promotion of these activities and that it is very unwise to join forces with him in any of his online ventures.
    Judy, this is quite wearying. Perhaps you have already done it, but I have not seen it. Where is the evidence to support what you are saying about ALP? I know there's a lot of junk on there - there has been for years. But almost all of that makes no money for the owner, because the people who get into that stuff are mainly freeloaders who will complain bitterly when the free things provided for them don't work. Trust me; I had several community sites before I got sick. Free members are a horrible pain in the posterior, and THEY are the ones whose junk you could spend 24/7 deleting.

    But you continue to make the erroneous claim that Adlandpro promotes these things. Adlandpro is a classified ad/social media/advertising platform. People promote their stuff there. Adlandpro is simply the platform.

    Regarding the porn; where is the evidence? You repeatedly make this claim, yet you provide no evidence. A couple of screen shots of questionable ads is not proof that porn is endorsed or even allowed on Adlandpro. Someone advertising adult toys, while not someone I would want advertising on my website, is not a porn merchant. Some of the screen shots you have provided are not even on ALP. Take another look at the address bar in your own screen shots. The links may have been advertised on ALP, but the site you show in your screen shot is an entirely different site. That is not proof. If you are going to bust someone, you need to produce evidence that is directly showing their involvement.

    The shot you showed from a Polish ALP site, I checked out. It is a racy, but not pornographic photo, with no nudity, that is advertising a Polish personals site.

    I agree that scams, scammers and illegal porn merchants need to be brought down. I would personally like to see all porn and gambling sites permanently removed from the internet, but unfortunately, they are legal in many jurisdictions.

    But if you are going to bring down illegal activity, simply posting accusations on forums is not how it's done. I have gone through forum after forum over the years checking out a company's record, only to discover that I have been wasting my time. Forums are open to every wild accusation that you can imagine for people with an axe to grind. But when the accusations begin to be checked, there is no evidence to support them.

    Find REAL evidence. Then give it to the appropriate authorities. Contrary to a certain infamous Canadian wannabe scambuster/extortioner's claim, the Canadian authorities would be VERY happy to shut down a Canadian company that is operating illegally. Our authorities and the BBB are NOT a bunch of scammers.

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    g.

    But you continue to make the erroneous claim that Adlandpro promotes these things. Adlandpro is a classified ad/social media/advertising platform. People promote their stuff there. Adlandpro is simply the platform.
    I invited you into this forum because I thought that you were interested in helping us bust scams. It looks as if your main interest is not in scam busting but a desire to act as Devil's Advocate for Adlandpro.

    I do not need to show you the evidence as SMM has already posted pages and pages of porn from Scamland in RS threads and I found a more recent one to show your friend Dianne to show you that it is ever present.

    Adlandpro Porn Example.

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    Ok... then who put me in the group, right before it fell apart?
    How could I know that? The only way that you can find out is to ask the person who owned the Scam Hotline group in Facebook.

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